On Wednesday, Glenn Greenwald and I revealed new details about the National Security Agency’s efforts to radically expand its ability to hack into computers and networks across the world. The story has received a lot of attention, and one detail in particular has sparked controversy: specifically, that the NSA secretly pretended to be a Facebook server in order to covertly infect targets with malware “implants” used for surveillance.
This revelation apparently infuriated Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg so much that he got on the phone to President Barack Obama to complain about it. “I’ve been so confused and frustrated by the repeated reports of the behavior of the US government,” Zuckerberg wrote in a blog post Thursday. “When our engineers work tirelessly to improve security, we imagine we’re protecting you against criminals, not our own government.”
That wasn’t all. Wired ran a piece saying that the NSA’s widespread use of its malware tools “acts as implicit permission to others, both nation-state and criminal.” Slate noted that the NSA’s hacking platform appears to be “becoming a bit more like the un-targeted dragnets everyone has been so upset about.” Meanwhile, Ars Technica wrote that the surveillance technology we exposed “poses a risk to the entire Internet.”
In response, the NSA has attempted to quell the backlash by putting out a public statement dismissing what it called “inaccurate” media reports. The agency denied that it was “impersonating U.S. social media or other websites” and said that it had not “infected millions of computers around the world with malware.” The statement follows a trend that has repeatedly been seen in the aftermath of major disclosures from documents turned over by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, in which the NSA or one of its implicated allies issues a carefully worded non-denial denial that on the face of it seems to refute an allegation but on closer inspection does not refute it at all.
Prior to publishing our story, we asked the NSA to explain its use of Facebook to deploy malware as part of a top-secret initiative codenamed QUANTUMHAND. The NSA declined to answer all of our questions or offer context for the documents. We went into meticulous detail in our report, which went through a rigorous fact-checking process because of the gravity of the revelations. What we reported, accurately, was that the Snowden files showed how the agency had in some cases “masqueraded as a fake Facebook server, using the social media site as a launching pad to infect a target’s computer and exfiltrate files from a hard drive.” The source for that detail was not plucked from thin air; it was rooted in multiple documents that refer to the technique in action, including the internal NSA animation that we published.
A particular short excerpt from one of the classified documents, however, has taken on new significance due to the NSA’s statement. The excerpt is worth drawing attention to here because of the clarity of the language it uses about the Facebook tactic and the light it shines on the NSA’s denial. Referencing the NSA’s Quantum malware initiative, the document, dated April 2011, explains how the NSA “pretends” to be Facebook servers to deploy its surveillance “implants” on target’s computers:

It is difficult to square the NSA secretly saying that it “pretends to be the Facebook server” while publicly claiming that it “does not use its technical capabilities to impersonate U.S. company websites.” Is the agency making a devious and unstated distinction in its denial between “websites” and “servers”? Was it deliberate that the agency used the present tense “does not” in its denial as opposed to the past tense “did not”? Has the Facebook QUANTUMHAND technique been shut down since our report? Either way, the language used in the NSA’s public statement seems highly misleading – which is why several tech writers have rightly treated it with skepticism.
The same is true of the NSA’s denial that it has not “infected millions of computers around the world with malware” as part of its hacking efforts. Our report never actually accused the NSA of having achieved that milestone. Again, we reported exactly what the NSA’s own documents say: that the NSA is working to “aggressively scale” its computer hacking missions and has built a system called TURBINE that it explicitly states will “allow the current implant network to scale to large size (millions of implants).” Only a decade ago, the number of implants deployed by the NSA was in the hundreds, according to the Snowden files. But the agency now reportedly manages a network of between 85,000 and 100,000 implants in computers systems worldwide – and, if TURBINE’s capabilities and the NSA’s own documents are anything to go by, it is intent on substantially increasing those numbers.
The rapid proliferation of these hacking techniques in the past decade, under cover of intense secrecy, is extraordinary and unprecedented. The NSA insists in its denial that its hacking efforts are not “indiscriminate.” Yet how the agency defines “indiscriminate” in this context remains unclear. The Intercept asked the NSA to clarify some of these issues for this post. Does the agency deny that it has used the QUANTUMHAND method to pretend to be a Facebook server in order to deploy malware implants? How does the NSA distinguish “indiscriminate” from “discriminate”? In what specific legal, policy, and operational context does the implants system function? The agency declined to answer all of these questions. Instead, spokeswoman Vanee’ Vines said that the NSA stood by its original statement, adding only that “unauthorized and selective publication” of the documents “may lead to incorrect assumptions.”
The NSA’s outgoing chief has claimed that the agency supports increased transparency in the wake of the Snowden leaks – but its response to the latest disclosures illustrates that it is failing to live up to that commitment. If the NSA truly wants to gain citizens’ trust, it should rethink its slippery public relations strategy. A good first step would be to stop issuing dubious denials that seem to sit so starkly at odds with what its officials were saying in secret when they thought nobody would ever learn about what they were doing.
I’m sure they don’t call it ‘malware’ but something like PAL, Positive Access Linkage.
It’s a sad day. Our nation’s (the USA) leadership now resorts to hiding behind quibbles of meaning, tense, and semantics.
The NSA is a pussy cat when it comes to hacking innocent people.
The REAL culprit behind all this amoral, unnecessary, interference with our private lives is the GCHQ. The GCHQ is not governed by any law similar to that of the USA.
It’s sad excuse of a compliance officer, a retired judge, actually got around to checking SIX PER CENT of the warrants/authorisations that are similar to the US FISA Court,
EVERY US APPLICATION WHEN TO COURT, only SIX PER CENT of similar UK APPLICATIONS were checked. The prime minister, the foreign secretary and the Home Secretary (similar functions to the US president, state department and justice department) can give the OK to GCHQ.
These are ALL political office holders. And who has ever been able to trust a politician?
TYPO:
EVERY US APPLICATION ((WHEN)) WENT TO COURT,
In reality I doubt there’s that much difference between NSA and GCHQ re controls. Re UK you seem to be confusing a quality control compliance function with an upstream authorisation function.
It looks like you were referring to the post of Intelligence Services Commissioner [currently Mark Waller] who is accountable to Parliament.
Certainly up to it’s last report in 2013, that function has in effect been essentially an administrative Quality Control one, rather than an authorization function. So for QC regulatory compliance a 6% sample isn’t unusual.
Actually authorising UK intercepts is the role of the Office of Interception of Communications Commissioner. [currently Anthony May].
This is a statutory role required to apply the law (In this case UK RIPA) to applications in effectively the same way as a U.S. court. Both variations on procedure are after all secret, purely based on meeting prescribed legal criteria and not subject to challenge in public at that point.
What they have been quite open about is the number of applications, which at 570,000 requests a year is a huge number and very probably only arrived at by co-operating with the NSA to circumvent U.S. national law and regulations.
In essence the ‘five eyes’ (particularly NSA) seem to have ‘globalized’ their operations – co-operating to circumvent their own (and EU) domestic regulations.
But attempting to discern whose operation is the blackest black in this respect, is kind of pointless presently. Quite simply there is a huge amount of work necessary to address the situation for civil liberty organisations and democratic representatives in government in the west – regarding authorisation and particularly oversight. And the place to focus first is the routine covert compromising of the security of law abiding companies and individuals and bulk trawling of data.
In reality I doubt there’s that much difference between NSA and GCHQ re controls. Re UK you seem to be confusing a quality control compliance function with an upstream authorisation function.
It looks like you were referring to the post of Intelligence Services Commissioner [currently Mark Waller] who is accountable to Parliament.
Certainly up to it’s last report in 2013, that function has in effect been essentially an administrative Quality Control one, rather than an authorization function. So for QC regulatory compliance a 6% sample isn’t unusual.
Actually authorising UK intercepts is the role of the Office of Interception of Communications Commissioner. [currently Anthony May].
This is a statutory role required to apply the law (In this case UK RIPA) to applications in effectively the same way as a U.S. court. Both variations on procedure are after all secret, purely based on meeting prescribed legal criteria and not subject to challenge in public at that point.
What they have been quite open about is the number of applications, which at 570,000 requests a year is a huge number and very probably only arrived at by co-operating with the NSA to circumvent U.S. national law and regulations.
In essence the ‘five eyes’ (particularly NSA) seem to have ‘globalized’ their operations – co-operating to circumvent their own (and EU) domestic regulations.
But attempting to discern whose operation is the blackest black in this respect, is kind of pointless presently. Quite simply there is a huge amount of work necessary to address the situation for civil liberty organisations and democratic representatives in government in the west – regarding authorisation and particularly oversight. And the place to focus first is the routine covert compromising of the security of law abiding companies and individuals and bulk trawling of data.
What is the passive collection site? Does it intercept all users’ initial “push request” attempts before they reach http://www.facebook.com? If not, how many internets or internet facades are there that we think we’re moving through? I recall that AT&T gave NSA a pipeline for San Francisco customers’ traffic in and out of the city. So, is that what a passive collection site is? Or did I just answer my own question?
Thank you.
Here is Snowden at TED. The Hero in good spirits :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVwAodrjZMY
Thank You. Thank You. Thank You, for providing a link to Edward Snowden’s talk to TED. Everyone that frequents The Intercept should view his talk (my opinion). His TED talk is 35 minutes in length and the video/audio quality is excellent (unlike SXSW).
I have heard Edward Snowden talk via live-stream connections twice in the past ten days and I can think of no better person to inform us of the national security’s attacks on our privacy than Ed, himself. Each time he talks, all the national security officials and its supporters must turn fire engine red in anger since he so clearly exposes their monstrous lies, lies they continue to tell to the American public, the world community, and their Congressional overseers.
He is the Paul Revere, Thomas Paine, and Nathan Hale of our time. I am very pleased that he continues to share with us his “insider” insight into the unConstitutional activities of the national security mass surveillance apparatus, and his knowledgeable recommendations to restore our privacy rights. May he live long and prosper so we do not lose his voice of reason in the public discourse he initiated ten months ago (June 2013).
You’re most welcome, and fantastic comment!
What kind of file can we look up inside a computer to know if there is such a malware device installed ?
I wish finding the NSA implanted malware was as easy as looking for a file and deleting it. No, they hide their malware where it won’t be found by a user, even a very knowledgeable geek.
Now that the Snowden documents have revealed some of the ways that the NSA hacks our computers and routers, the antivirus and anti-malware companies like Norton, AVG, and Kaspersky need to use their smarts to update their products to detect and remove the NSA malware implants from our computers (and routers). AVG, for example, already provides a program to remove malware rootkits (rootkits are one way that NSA could hide their malware implants). These companies need to provide us with programs (for a fee) to remove the NSA malware implants that their specialized geeks discover.
The antivirus and anti-malware companies that provide these detection and removal capabilities will win our business and $$.
NORTON, aka SYMANTEC, are NSA co-operators when judged how weak their products are.
What does NSA really stand for?
Here’s my take:
http://oi60.tinypic.com/mwtw91.jpg
Well, I can tell you one thing for sure. NSA’s denial was not because they have stopped doing this… (‘Was it deliberate that the agency used the present tense “does not” in its denial as opposed to the past tense “did not”?, above). Just last week, after I asked my Android cell phone a question, it purported to try to give me an answer, first navigating to MSN.com, then to Facebook. In my case, NSA doesn’t act as a “Man on the Side”, as directed by NSA’s quantum Hand instructions revealed here. Rather they set themselves up as full Man in the Middle trespassers, intercepting my posts as well as replies to them, modifying them whenever they wanted to in any manner that made me look bad. Perhaps the change from their status as observer (Man on the Side trespasser) to active interferers (and illegal modifiers) of data their “targets” transmit provide the basis of the vigorous denial. In making such as transition, NSA moves from surveillance to effector. Becasue this is so illegal, I can easily see why they were hell bent on denial. In my case and I’m sure others, this intercept program was highly effective in slandering targets such as me, especially those who are guilty of no crimes, but that the powers to be want to silence for political reasons. (name changed for obvious reasons)
sharing.
http://www.ubuntuparty.org.za/2012/08/politics-and-global-crime.html
http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/analysis/ac_analysis/through-the-looking-glass\
My Take on the NSA “denial”
Everything that’s wrong with “diversity” summarized in a single sentence written by a diversity advocate:
“Numbers do not change without investment and hard work, nor without counting and prioritizing.”
That’s exactly what’s so ugly and mindless and self-defeating about the campaign for “diversity”: it reduces the innumerable characteristics of unique individuals to a small set of binary variables — white/non-white, man/woman, straight/gay… — for the purpose of achieving a purely numerical outcome. It’s all about the numbers.
Jason Leopold: Wow. As of May 2013, Obama had cleared 16 people in Yemen and five in Somalia for targeting in strikes. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/02/10/the-nsas-secret-role/
mcbyrne: @JasonLeopold but only 1/4 of the staff of the intercept are women. #sadz
That’s not ugly and mindless? (I’m aware that not everyone will think so.)
I don’t understand why we can’t all agree to treat each other as unique individuals, and judge each other by the unique sum of our qualities. Isn’t it obvious that it’s demeaning for an individual to be reduced to a single characteristic for any purpose? Especially if the characteristic is innate? What kind of woman wants to be hired over a more qualified man solely because of her gender? Reverse that question and we get back to the original motive for ending this form of discrimination: What kind of man wants to be hired or promoted over a more deserving woman just because he’s “one of the boys”? Decent men don’t want this! Decent men want this to end. But rather than replace it with something equally unfair, why can’t we just eliminate the unfairness altogether and treat each other with the respect that’s due every individual regardless of gender or race?
Nice to see TI has one commenter who see’s the bigger picture or at the least has a clue.
Cindy made the most intelligent comment I’ve seen here since this honey-pot began.
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At this point, with corruptible Diebold machines and a corrupt-establishment-friendly media…
Voting is a joke. Srsly.
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It is even worse than a joke. It’s a feel good distraction and fodder for the ignorant, “nothing to hide …” and “if you don’t vote you can’t complain… ” absolute fools.
There is one action, one right, one method of voting that matters yet it is NEVER mentioned by any of the keyboard hero’s out there. Our most important right, the one that preserves EVERY freedom we have is never mentioned. I suspect that it is due to the very hypocritical nature of the OWS type of crowd who hate the 2nd amendment, yet yell and fight and… uh … post on Facebook from their $500+ phones(poor poor deprived individuals) about the injustice of the 1/99% distraction. Want change? Easy, be willing to sacrifice. EVERYTHING! The only voting that counts in the US if the votes that come from the ROOFTOPS. I hope thins gets posted but have my doubts yet will have to trust it is as I won’t be coming back till things change. and BTW: every page i’ve tested on this site is infected with some common Malware and I didn’t look too hard.
Well said, I have been questioning the electronic voting machines for years. We are always hearing about these machines mistakes and when Mr. Soros owns the
company responsible for counting votes, one cannot deny that corruption and voting manipulation has occurred and will continue to occur.
http://www.dailypaul.com/228915/spanish-company-owned-by-geo-soros-will-count-americas-votes-overseas-in-november
What is up. It can’t be due to the content of my posts as they couldn’t possibley be any worse that the many many many ‘comments’ here… What is the deal??? do I really have to give an anti-govt website a real name and email to post here? Do I have to allow your 3rd party scripts? What is it?
I joined Face Book in October 2013. Got kicked off of FB in January 2014. Never used any filthy words or misleading statements. I posted a video on the NSA! Three days later? My account was terminated! Not for copywrite infringement. I used a ficticious name. FB wanted me to scan and send proof of my real name! Really! I forwarded the e-mail to all my friends and relatives who are on FB. QuantumHand is another illegal intrusion on our lives. Since the NSA can hack VPN’s? There are no secure avenues to take, when surfing the web. Myself? I’ve been thinking about selling my computers. And using the library’s computers to read the news. My “smartphone’? Ditching that too! Either have freedom of movement? And peace of mind? Or accept the TOTAL TYRANNY of this government? May 1st is around the corner. Make the NSA the May Day subject. I will.
am i to understand that someone is actually endorsing Facebook, its enterprise, its utterly youthful and entirely capitalistic interests, its foundations, and what it depends on for survival.
let me git this straight.
does someone who reads these Intercept pages actually think Facebook is anything substantially better or in fundamental opposition (i mean seriously in bottom line intent and dedication?) to NSA.
jeesus.
Facebook is but a wave and a flaccid DICK for the goddamned NSA.
chew on THIS, for a little while.
oops. i forgot, it’s a world all about fiendish progressions of a ‘socially netwerk’t’ and homogeneous spawn of . . . well, what? human?
gosh. what a world to want to further! No?
am i to understand that someone is actually endorsing Facebook, its enterprise, its utterly youthful and entirely capitalistic interests, its foundations, and what it depends on for survival.
let me git this straight.
does someone who reads these Intercept pages actually think Facebook is anything substantially better or in fundamental opposition (i mean seriously in bottom line intent and dedication?) to NSA.
jeesus.
Facebook is but a wave and a flaccid DICK for the goddamned NSA.
chew on THIS, for a little while.
oops. i forgot, it’s a world all about fiendish progressions of a ‘socially netwerk’t’ and homogeneous spawn of . . . well, what? human?
gosh. what a world to want to further! No?
To: Kelly1880/aka James Fingleton Wild
Please consider a self-limited respite from posting herein to avoid a possible suspension of your commenting privileges. Many of us do not understand why TI cannot get rudimentary website comment protocols right; however, repeated, irate protestations might result in your complete censorship of Kelly1880, especially since you think your JFW account is now prohibited.
I do not want any voices silenced; nevertheless, we simply must conduct ourselves with a modicum of decorum whenever we are cyberspace ‘guests’ in the home of The Intercept. That is, we must avoid any appearances of being ‘interlopers’ instead of guests.
Thank you and good luck.
You comment is against all principles of free speech.
James fingleton Wild made no adverse comments against the Intercept.
All I did was state that the site Firstlook.org was seen by firefox to be a false site.
The nonresponsive scripts running rampant here by the third parties contained malware.
i will not be silenced by players.
the Intercept is playing with the players.
This is something that should be considered by all who come here.
Decorum is the last thing I consider when my blood is up.
And know I know that the NSA is working through the Intercept to get at its readers. I have screnshots a plenty to prove what I state.
I got the Malware here, at this site, I got a rootkit.
My browser told me that Firstlook.org could not be trusted.
Do not silence truth Nemo for it is the only thing of worth.
I appreciate your concern but I know what is happening.
Maybe it’s context.
The simple fact is that there are exactly three common third-party scripts being loaded by this page: Google Analytics, Gravatar and Mixpanel. In addition to this, the system accesses Amazon Web Services to load documents. While we can argue about Google’s relative evil (or just block their script widget), none of these are remotely malware. In fact, it looks like the site has even done a bit of extra scripting to ensure the third-party widgets connect via SSL if the user has connected to The Intercept by secure connection – something a lot of admins miss. All and all, it certainly looks like a pretty solid implementation to me.
So on one level, preventing hyperbolic (and fully incorrect) assertions about the technology being employed on the site from spreading disinformation to other participants seems like a good thing … right? With an approach to forensic research reliant on taking screen shots of what your UI is doing, I suspect what you are seeing doesn’t mean what you think it means. If you got infected with a “rootkit” … it didn’t certainly didn’t come from the scripting here.
The other part to bear in mind is that all of this this has exactly diddly/poop to do with the topic of the article we are commenting on. It’s pure meta. Just how many off-topic emo screeds about not feeling properly empowered with free speech (on a private web site) do you think should be allowed per sock-puppet? It’s not my call, but it seems that people who keep posting *this* kind of nonsense rather than discussing the articles *should* be banned.
I do not think that the account James Fingleton Wild is blocked, I know it.
I can not post under that account.
After one week the Intercept has not replied to my emails.
If they ban me then readers can work that out for themselves.
I continue to be moderated (glitched as you wer) by the Intercept and they will not address my concerns and indeed of many.
Offer advice to the Intercept it is they that need a dressing down.
sharing
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/17/346195/nsa-purpose-is-creating-war-in-the-world/
Thanks,
Good article. Indeed, the NSA is merely the Lewis & Clark Expedition in preparation for military expansion, then evolving into economic colonialism, the latter which the article does not mention. The end goal is colonial expansion. American would not be outraged as long as the standard of living is maintained, which is wrong.
FWIW,
An Open Thread would be a nice addition (perhaps temporarily), whereby the folks who congregate here could discuss various “Off Topic” ideas, offer up links of interest to the readership, to keep the article threads clear of so much unrelated chat.
Hi RandomOrbit,
You know, I believe that your perspicuous comment might benefit from an “open thread.” *S*
But I don’t believe in that kind of command and control; Many seemingly unrelated topics may be related, thus unjustly eliminated, to one segment of the constituency causing resentment, while an off topic to another segment which would take joy in expanding the conversation. It really enriches it. Perhaps — and this is where I agree with you – people who issue ad homs could be encouraged to post in the Open Topic thread.
Hey, you know that person who lectured the USSC in its very own chamber as it was in sesstion that the corporation is not a person and money is not speech, and then recorded it and posted it on YouTube – his name is Kai Newkirk from 99Rise.
“He will be joining The 28ers’ General Gathering tomorrow to collaborate and instigate tactics dealing with the penultimate issue of our time: the legalized bribery of politicians. Kai, not only called truth to power by getting arrested at the Supreme Court, but he also ushered in the direly needed videotaping of a back-room and closed-door democracy.
The 28ers is working to pass a 28th Amendment to prohibit private wealth from politics and lobbying, replacing it with public financing. We need more people like he, and doing more such freedom-based actions. I wish I were that strong. I am not.
WHEN: MONDAY, March 17th, 2014, TONIGHT!
NEW TIME: 7:00-9:00 PM
WHERE: The Quakers’ House** / 4061 Mission Inn Avenue / Riverside, CA (Downtown)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/28/kai-newkirk-supreme-court_n_4874269.html
https://www.facebook.com/28ers.org
Boy that airplane story sure made people forget about the CIA.
This story is about the NSA which is in cahoots witthe CIA, so it’s difficult to know what you are on about.
Well I meant the whole slew of intelligence agency stories that should be the top scandal in the media. Just complaining about the media not putting the Intercept stories as a priority I guess.
A remarkable aspect of that story is that security paranoia is apparently diverting the attention of investigators away from plausible but mundane explanations, such as a fire that incapacitated the crew and passengers. Time will tell if they were barking up the wrong tree.
The author does a good job to slice and dice through the NSA’s disemblings but, you know, it seems too big and powerful in it own right to feel a responsibility to answer directly to the American people through this people’s publication. Instead, it waits to complain to Rightwinger Dianne Feinstein, while also blackmailing her with info it collected from tapping her and her overly-rich husband’s electronic communication gear should she not comply to the NSA’s wishes.
This is the state of political conditions where the US Patriot act and the NDAA 2013-4 have successfully replaced the US Constitution. The irony is that Congress passed them both; O’Bummer signed them; Caring American people inherently feel, and cry silently over, them.
“This is the state of political conditions where the US Patriot act and the NDAA 2013-4 have successfully replaced the US Constitution. The irony is that Congress passed them both; O’Bummer signed them; Caring American people inherently feel, and cry silently over, them.”
Yup…..Just waiting for an attorney that has the balls to file a massive “We the People of the United States vs The Executive Branch of the United States Government for Numerous violations of rights granted UP Amendments I, II, IV, V,VI, Potentially XIII(economic slavery). It would be a first case in law. Til that time….Each State currently has the option to exercise rights UP Amendment X..
Hi Lyra1,
What you suggest and hope for would be simply awesome and a sublime initiative. Where is that person? He/she would need lots of capital, a significant promise of public support, and outmost belief in its cause, otherwise could wind up prosecuted like Manning, Kiriakou, Drake, and Sterling, or rendered and imprisoned like Manning, or murdered like MLK, Malcolm X, and other lessers who are killed without much publicity as warnings.
The website developer could make the lines break in between words as is standard practice.
In the comments, not in the body text, why does the end of the line break the word into two without adhering to the rule of syllables?
Because there’s an error in the cascading style sheets for the site. The people who need to know do know, and they have said they’ll get the comments section sorted as soon as practicable. Given Glenn’s established dedication to interacting below the line, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that it will be fixed pretty soon.
Thanks. I have full confidence in Greenwald’s promise.
Thank you for that information.
To whom it may apply: Consider Using NoScript for Firefox
To those here who do not want scripts running by google-analytics, amazonaws, and mxpnl, you may want to consider using a free software package called ‘NoScript’. If after using it for a while you find it useful, please consider donating—as I did—to help ensure its continued development.
NoScript allows you to disable (and then enable again at any time at your discretion) any 1 or all 3 of the aforementioned scripts. Disabling the scripts—as I do—still allows you to post comments within this section.
http://noscript.net/
What is this? Useful information?
Thank you.
Here is another link to a free program if you wish to completely block tracking cookies it is compatible with Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and IE.
https://dnt.abine.com/#help/faq (DoNotTrackMe)
Download links will vary with your browser but just type: “Get Software DoNotTrackMe” in your search engine bar and take your pick.
Do not Track Me is a suspicious add-on. Do not use it. Instead, don’t allow cookies unless absolutely necessary (as when you need to buy something on line), use NoScript as advised, and RequestPolicy too. Perhaps Ghostscript is good too but it is closed code, so we can’t be sure it isn’t evil.
Apart from that, many thanks for this new platform, Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and Jeremy Scahill, can’t see any Facebook button, though your Privacy Policy says there is (how coud you have FB on this website? If you have this is felony, no less). Though you should absolutely not trust your stuff to Amazon cloud. Corporate business is open field to NSA, you know that, don’t you? I block it through RequestPolicy.
Or, if you can tolerate the slowness, and inability to watch Youtube videos, you might consider downloading the TOR Browser Bundle.
It is truly unfortunate when relevant data is simply discarded because of petty journalistic trolling activity in the comments sections of competing publications.
It appears that this has happened in the comments section of this article.
Weigh all sides of the equation and check your work before drawing conclusions. Propaganda is always propaganda.
By the way….it is not necessary to choose a side. Only to recognize the propaganda for what it is.
The business plan of the Intercept.
To mimic, nay adopt the MSM retinue attributes of the MSM by complicit partnerships with parties that have partied with the NSA.
Yes the Independent Intercept is on first named basis with the very players that give the personal details of individuals to the NSA.
Sad but true the Intercept is sold out.
The person formally known before the Intercept deleted him, James Fingleton Wild
WTF are you on about?
“adopt the MSM retinue attributes of the MSM”? “parties that have partied”? Where did you learn to write? The school of vague, repetitive, and obscure trolling? Please stop commenting so that I can read some enlightening debates instead of your nonsense.
If the Intercept was for real it would piss off the third partyies(read NSA) trackers and run an independent non aligned partnership.The most disgusting third parties are : Google Analytics, Mixpanel, Conviva, and Gravatar..
Glenn is siding with the players in order to play the game.
Say it is not so.
But facts state it is so.
The death of a hero is a grief I endure.
What are they supposed to do, send out these stories as smoke signals?
What are they supposed to do,
Be independent not dependent on third party sufferance.
I’m sure they’ll get it straightened out. There’s probably always glitches with new websites.
What do you mean glitches;
Janek: Just got a ping about one click west of you.
Millburn: What do you mean “a ping”?
Janek: Well, whatever that probe is picking up, it’s not dead. It’s reading a life form.
Fifield: What?
Millburn: Okay, what you mean, “a life form”?
Fifield: Is it – Is it moving?
Janek: No, I don’t think so.
Fifield: No, Captain, you’re obviously not seeing what we’re seeing down here. But if you were, you wouldn’t be talking about a bloody ping, yeah?
Janek: I know, boys. Your signal has been coming in sporadically since the storm hit.
Fifield: That’s no good to us down here, Captain! Is it – Is it moving? Are these things moving?
Janek: No. No, it just disappeared, actually. Must be a glitch.
Millburn: What do you mean, “a glitch”?
Janek: All right, boys. Sleep tight. Try not to bugger each other.
Millburn: Captain, what do you mean, “a glitch”?
Fifield: Millburn. What does he mean? Wait. Now, he said – He said one click west, yeah?
Millburn: Yeah.
Fifield: Now, we… We don’t want to check that out, do we, huh?
Millburn: Shit, no.
Fifield: Where are we gonna go?
Millburn: East.
Fifield: Yeah, east.
Millburn: A fucking glitch, man. “Pings, glitch, life form.” What the fuck?
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No….but a brief staff editorial review regarding the technical difficulties in the comments section of this website might be in order for the day.
I am very angry. This might indeed affect my reasoning.
However the Intercept has not replied to my emails.
What price transparency with the mimic government response to Freedom of Information from the Intercept of no reply.
I do not wont to hear an “early days things need to be resolved reply”
Shit is happening here and the answer from the Intercept is “Early days”.
Bullshit is what i state.
I do not understand your comment. The Intercept with the resources behind it needs no third parties to tell its tale.
No you are missing the point of why third parties are here.
To engage in this conglomerate, one must understand the players.
You need this software:
https://www.abine.com/products/index.php (DoNotTrackMe)
It matters not what software I run.
What matters is what the Intercept is doing.
But thanks i think you a real person.
Kelly…you don’t understand. It’s the US government doing this. No software will
help.
250 million but the Intercept is a faded media.
Why the fuck can you not resolve the most basic of problems?
Perhaps Sibel Edwards was right.
Glenn Greenwald the purveyor of Independent journalism restricts the readers replys.
Fuck you Intercept and you Hippocratic Independence.
You have done nothing to resolve the problems here and keep on introducing third party trackers.
Fuck you and the hype you proclaim.
Boiling Frogs does some great pieces:
http://investmentwatchblog.com/pretexts-for-war-how-the-public-is-deceived-into-fighting/
The conflict, if any, between the two editors should not concern anyone as the ultimate end might justify the means.
Say, have you anything to say, or are you just hanging there like a decoration.
The problems I describe are real.
But Hay, just regard that with the American nonsense of blind allegiance.
Hey moron,
It is hypocritical, not hippocratic.
What a dumb shit.
You fool I meant what i said.
That you can only conceive quotes of you remembrance is a sad tale of your noneducational. You must be American.
I meant what I said you fool.
Do no harm is what i meant to convey.
You are a tool.
This is the stupidest person on twitter: https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/445568304565190656
Dear Zelda;
The Intercept cats and dogs are fighting in the comments section again. Such a pity…..
Maybe you should open a suggestion box. I submit that it is time to feed the dogs.
The Intercept really needs some IT help.
It is rare that my posts show up.
Ask Kitt, its just a GLITCtH. The intercept has only been operating for a couple of days and its early times too.
Just a glitch nothing to worry about.
Kitt is certain that there is nothing untoward about this site.
However if you listen to James Fingleton Wild or his proxy Kelly 1880 there is deep fucking shit occurring here.
To the glitch that stole computers I think you are a fairy tale.
I wrote a reply to your comment .
Like flight 370 it has not shown up yet.
How utterly surreal.
Intercept, deal with the problem of disappearing posts.
You are becoming a laughing stock.
Why cant James Fingleton Wild post at this site.
Must be a fucking glitch ah.
Hang on Kitt says its teething problems.
Dream on you dreamer.
I’ll post this here.
It pertains to last weeks article
regarding Diane Feinstein.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/drone-regulation-dianne-feinstein-104718.html
Apparently she is apoplectic over being spied upon.
Again.
Still……….
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It’s OK to send those drones to bomb those nasty Weddings but don’t spy on ME!
Poor ol’ gal.
Wonder if it was a real Drone, or if she is just seeing paper airplanes?
How calloused of me to laugh at her and how insightful of you to question the identity of the unmanned aircraft!
After all….those paper ones drop the biggest bombs!
God save us from these out of control Americans and especially the neo-cons in Washington, of whom one of the worst springs to mind i.e Samantha Powers (who said women were fluffy and caring???)
Women in government and security/military positions tend to be extra-severe because of the hardened
attitudes they had to develop to make it to their posts in what is presumably a man’s world. I’m not looking forward to the inevitable Hillary Clinton presidency.
She won’t if the dollar collapses (as a reserve currency, triggering hyperinflation as unwanted dollars come back to haunt the Fed) before the end of Obama’s term
Soooooo let me chime in here, I am so skeptical of the work the NSA is doing and if it is truly about national security. I have doubts about the integrity of these agencies which clearly has been justified these past 6 months with revelations coming out of The Guardian, The Intercept, The New York Times etc. Obviously it has been proven that these agencies are committing these acts in secret and operating outside their charter. I am disgusted to see these public relations people so far behind the curve on the leaks, they really have dropped the ball. How can an organization with such advanced technology have such crappy responses to the outing of these surveillance programs. That’s the question!
Ah yes….well regarding the mission of the NSA , you might this interesting:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/17/346195/nsa-purpose-is-creating-war-in-the-world/
QUOTE: Instead, spokeswoman Vanee’ Vines said that the NSA stood by its original statement, adding only that “unauthorized and selective publication” of the documents “may lead to incorrect assumptions.”
Yup. The NSA could be a lot more out of control than the media is portraying them.
It seems that the NSA is using the old Clinton scam, “It depends on what the meaning of the word is is.”
Keep up the great work!
Following the uncanny excellence in the ability to put into words the accuracy of the NSA’s malfeasance of Glenn Greenwald himself, I particularly liked the sentence, “The statement follows a trend that has repeatedly been seen in the aftermath of major disclosures from documents turned over by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, in which the NSA or one of its implicated allies issues a carefully worded non-denial denial that on the face of it seems to refute an allegation but on closer inspection does not refute it at all.”
The NSA activity is implicit authorization for others to do the same against the US government, including electronic entry & data sabotage. Essentially its responding in kind “like or equivalent force” when the US Government is the aggressor. It would be a brave individual that used such a defense as it is saying “Yeah I did it, but I’m not guilty cause you did it to me first.”
This is kind of like what Jon Stewart does, only less funny.
Firstly, Jon Stewert isn’t particularly funny and secondly, I have my doubts on how anti-establishment he
really is, words are one thing, deeds another!!
The reason is simple. When Jon Stewart writes these NSA press releases, he is only moonlighting. He saves the best material for his own show.
The comments section is no longer worth wasting time on. Wow, that didn’t take long.
Yes, the tangential remarks are on the rise, but the site is still worth the trip–for the articles alone!
I attempted to share this article on Facebook and the redirect failed twice.
Thanks Intercept for providing relevant, SUPER important and timely information on issues that I hope the common public will understand and actually take notice to. It’s interesting to find that a vast majority of Americans seek out CNN, Foxnews, and other media outlets to learn about issues that don’t affect them. However, when it can and does affect the masses (Snowden releases, etc) – these outlets choose for the story that makes the most money for them.
We’d rather watch a Roswell cover-up on re-run TV, than realize or even begin to quantify issues that are well beyond what the average American takes for granted – privacy, and knowing that there is absolutley nothing that you or any of us can do about it. In the latest HAMMERSTEIN leak, vpn’s are not safe – there’s a work around now? What about BGP? Done too!?
What controls do the NSA have to ensure these methods don’t leak to other nation states, organized cirme, etc? Probably little. Perhaps they’ve already considered this scenario (maybe even selling them garage sale style), and have counter measures to act against their old skool tricks. In the wake is those that do not know what Tor is (95%+ of the genreal population). But wait, that’s not safe either from an exit point man in the middle attack. Wow.
I’m glad that you started this project, and continue to provide relevant data that everyone should take notice to.
Where is privacy these days? Encrypted packet radio? Encrypted modem technology – imagining Telegard, Wildcat, or WWIV @ v.42bis. Maybe even the curmudgeon Mr. Draper could have his day again.
Knowledge, code, and text files don’t need a 50mbps pipe.
I guess stranger things could happen.
@Nemo…
Seems like my reply to you about Caberet hasn’t shown up – and a post I did later did. Hope the tecchies can sent it along.
Anyway – thought your comments on Isherwood and Caberet were quite good. I haven’t seen the movie, but I may do so one of these days. And I will be on the lookout for his books.
You mean the musical Cabernet, don’t you?
“I made my mind up, back in Yountville. . .”
Oh, gee, and I USED to actually be a good speller. :-)
That cabernet does sound like a good idea to accompany tomorrow night’s dinner.
I notice some of you folks have avatars…can someone tell me how to het one gong for The Intercept comments?
Worzel figured it out for us:
Ok – well I actually have a WordPress account already and had an avatar with that for a time – until I changed e-mails and never renewed the linking to the new one.
Thanks.
Do you sheep not read the articles written here?
Yes go to a third party and give over your security of privacy by signing up to a predator
Yes these third parties are there for your protection and your privacy.
Gravatar is not like facebook. Fucking bullshit you fools.
By God I can have an avatar pict if I only sign up to an unknown but most suspect third party.
Sheep, give your life away for the hope of an avatar.
Gravatar is a leech you fools.
I am also a bit hesitant about having to sign up with gravatar if I want to post on anything but my own WP blog. However, I believe there can be ways of doing avatars within the site – I also go to jboard.tv (jeopardy discussion forums) and I got an avatar for there and as far as I know gravatar wasn’t involved. As the comments section evolves, I hope the IT team can look at this as well as other issues.
OT:
Notice how J. McCain is (still) used…
to make B. Obama look good in comparison!
“You’ll accept the lesser evil, for the greater is unacceptable.”
This is how we are played, for…
WHERE ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS THAN THE ESTABLISHMENT?
Dear Intercept Staff;
You are taking the world by storm. Please open a true Editorial Page (Section) in which the journalists expound on opinion in relation to published articles and/or other topics. I suspect that many readers would truly enjoy the slant.
As always, wishing you and humanity the most benevolent outcome.
Not that I wouldn’t love this as well, I think that for now, one of the strengths of the site is the lack of opinion. It’s “antithesis-ness” to commercial news is it’s strongest pillar, imho.
I was so proud of me. Only 9 minutes per day in front of the computer. No more FB, no more virtual reality. Only emails and online newspapers. But Intercept is a real challenge. So please not too much comfort ;-)
And Nemo, I love your comments. And all Ask Zelda stuff.
Thank you keller. I would have selected the terms ‘like’ or ‘recommend’ for your posts, as well, if we had that function. In fact, I would likely wear out my left mouse button acknowledging all of the many good posts within this site.
Although our future does not look bright—given these recent disclosures of unconstitutional spying—perhaps a new patriotic song of inspiration will emerge upon the horizon, written and sung by ‘we’ who exhibit constitutional mettle in opposition to the ‘me’ exhibitionists of U.S. exceptionalism. The title:
‘Tomorrow Belongs to We (The People)’
*… perhaps a new patriotic song of inspiration will emerge upon the horizon, written and sung by ‘we’ who exhibit constitutional mettle in opposition to the ‘me’ exhibitionists of U.S. exceptionalism…*
Here is one, the title *Fixurlifeup*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u91IeitvQIU&feature=player_embedded
Enjoy ;)
om
There are many good comments here without replies. There is simply not enough time for most of us, even though we would prefer, to reply. As many others have suggested, The Intercept needs a ‘Like’ button (structured to avoid devious manipulations) so we can acknowledge agreement, thereby noting that we read the comment without typing a full reply. However, I would only want such a feature if it were secure.
Nemo you are one of the brightest stars here, as you were at the Guardian.
Like or hate is a two dimensional approach to the the four dimensions we live in.
The popularity of a post is the sum total of idiots pretending to be free deluded into agreement.
The majority of people in this world are sheep. The herd mentality was heard to be a false sign of truth.
If a million Frenchmen “liked” up a post it would only be a deception of its intrinsic worth.
I do not need (indeed I abhor the mass conception of the enforced deception of ” we all think this is good so you best agree’ as an enforcement upon others to agree to the meme that this is something you should acquiesce to.
This is the same line of argument used by the NSA when they say it is in the Nations best interests to be a total adherent to government policy.(how dare you dissent against the masses of democracy) and national security requires it.
No different to main stream media is the belief that you belong to a group.
Be independent and make up your own mind to the worth or its lack, of any thing you read. You dont need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind blows.
I run from compliance and you will not catch me agreeing to the group mentality.
By the way, I can bump up any like function on any site on the net.
Yes, I can give as many likes to any poster as I choose. I have demonstrate this ability.
I do not but I can, for I understand the function.
Since I can influence the “hive mentality” surely you must see the futility of the concept of “most people liked this”
If I can fudge the figures, well others without ethics can too.
No No No likes or dislikes should influence logical or ethical thinking.
By the way you are one of the best posters I can read.
Cheers from the person formally known as James Fingleton Wild.
Love your site, great reading, congratulations on producing a really good news resource.
Dearest Zelda,
I am in a quandary.
If I continue to interact on The Intercept, will my Friends un-friend me on Facebook?
Anxiously awaiting your advice…………..
Dear CitizenSane,
Your non-affiliated friends are probably very busy closing their accounts by now and you should not take “unfriending” actions too seriously as they are understandably upset with the undeniable FB allegiance to our organization.
Internal organizational members will faithfully remain your friends. Keep a stiff upper lip.
Zelda
Dear Zelda,
Thank you for your rapid response.
In actuality, I only had one friend on Facebook, so my concerns are probably irrelevant.
He claimed he worked for the NSA, but I didn’t believe him at first. Now I wonder…….
On a more pressing matter, do you have any information on the airplane that Malaysia lost?
CNN is apoplectic over it.
Yes. CNN is so dedicated to our organization. We can all be proud of their sterling subterfuge in indoctrination efforts.
On the other hand, there is THIS:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-15/missing-malaysian-flight-mystery-deepens-pilot-investigated-foul-play-suspected
If one views the video included, it is somewhat revealing. This type of counter-intelligence has the tendency to cast aspersions on our efforts!
Of course, we must do everything within our power to guard our clandestine efforts.
Montesquieu`s famously divided power through the legislative branch, the executive branch and the judical branch. This is also the recepie for our Constitution.
Today though, this is up for a test, as we got a 4th “secret branch” of government, arguing it is needed because else…..maybe even 5th …NSA, CIA and all other “secret organisations” in place, not only in USA but all over the world in any nation.
I will generalize; what they seem to have in common is a self-preservation logic that they are secret, and claim to exist because of “secret” reasons….
The problem with secrecy is that we citizens are blind and cannot know that our interests are being served by secretiveness and so we MUST trust our government, or this 4th branch.
The press is essential to the trust of any government! We trust the press to be the 4th in Montesquieu`s terms. I will argue maybe 5th as the “secret rule of law” imop have atm more power than the press, as to many outlets are more propaganda than original press, or investigating journalism if you please.
What I am trying to say is a big thank you to the staff of The Intercept. You people are corageous! And I know you will be contributing to bring the 4th branch back into power from the propagandaists. Too many of us was asleep for to long.
Lord Acton — most often remembered for his saying that “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely” — also very wisely said this: “Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity.”
Thank you Interception staff!
The only way that we are going to ever have half a chance of tackling this lieing and deceipt by our government is to vote all of those senators and congressmen and women out of office. They are the ones that are allowing this to happen. People complain and complain and never do anything about it. Go out and vote and make your voice be heard.
At this point, with corruptible Diebold machines and a corrupt-establishment-friendly media…
Voting is a joke. Srsly.
Amazing reporting keep up the good work
Forgot to add, thanks for pursuing this story. Yet another opportunity to post a piece, wait for the denials, then post another piece proving that the denials were lies. The amount of data is too vast for a single piece, or even a week of pieces. I look forward to months of reading, research, and digestion. May Edward Snowden live long and breathe free.
Agreed, especially “May Edward Snowden live long and breathe free”.
With the US Government – NSA, DOJ, CIA, and other spendthrift agencies – really really pissed with Edward Snowden addressing the South by Southwest Interactive Festival (SXSW) in Austin, Texas, on Monday, March 10, via a live-steam connection, I hope the Russian Government has double-downed on his protection. His live-stream address was viewed by over 7,000 SXSW attendees and reached over 300,000 remote viewers like me. His written response (12 pages) to the EU Parliament on mass surveillance also caused them to see and be red.
“If only he had been rendered as soon as he arrived in Hong Kong and hidden away in one of our dungeons like Chelsea Manning, no one would now know of the programs that we use to capture and store all the digital communications of everyone in the world”, James Clapper and Keith Alexander were suspected of saying last week while sequestered under the NSA’s version of the “cone of silence”. “Americans and those dastardly foreigners we spy on would believe our lies that Snowden was a Russian spy, a high-school dropout that never amounted to anything, and stole our documents so he could be a celebrity”. “Now they know the truth that he did what he did to uphold the Constitution and to reveal our mass surveillance apparatus so that Americans and others could discuss and decide if they wanted to live in a world without any privacy, one where the government(s) knew everything about everyone and could target and prosecute/persecute anyone on a whim”. “Boy, did we $#*% up”, Clapper and Alexander were suspected to have exclaimed, still hiding under the NSA “cone of silence”.
Long live the “cone of silence” because I’m sure you remember the f***ing thing never worked.
Very scary stuff. It’s good the The Intercept is shining a little light on these things. Keep up the good fight!
Speaking of avatars, from the shadows of Cheltenham comes this little nugget:
The Ministry of Defence is developing a secret, multimillion-pound research programme into the future of cyberwarfare, including how emerging technologies such as social media and psychological techniques can be harnessed by the military to influence people’s beliefs.
Programmes ranging from studies into the role of online avatars to research drawing on psychological theories and the impact of live video-sharing are being funded by the MoD in partnership with arms companies, academics, marketing experts and thinktanks.
The Guardian has seen a list of those hired to deliver research projects, which have titles such as Understanding Online Avatars, Cognitive and Behaviour Concepts of Cyber Activities, and Novel Techniques for Public Sentiment and Perception Elicitation.
Revealed: the MoD’s secret cyberwarfare programme
It is exciting to think we may be close to understanding the phenomenon of online avatars. Were these avatars created by aliens, or are they merely vestigial ghosts, the remnant of ancient programming from when the web was first created? Why do they hang out in comment sections and blogs? Are they harmless images, or do they harbor some secret agenda? I’d like to express my gratitude to the MoD for seeking the answers to these questions.
The CIA/NSA Complex will never allow meaningful oversight. We The People must invoke the JFK remedy.
Mark Zuckerberg seems unable to avoid sounding like a Merkel clone. I didn’t know they were going to reveal that I knew…..
What a snivler. Just like all the other silicon universe’s sleaze peddlars.
How did you reach your conclusions? Did someone write them on a piece of paper for you to recite? How much did you get?
For someone, as you said, who already knew that the NSA was imitating a Facebook server to implant malware on Facebook members, Mark Zuckerberg was really pissed, enough to call Obama and lecture him. What do you have in your bag of smears to explain his being really pissed at the recent the Intercept article by Glenn and Ryan? Put it on the table for all to see and I’ll have a go at it.
I’ll be very thankful when the Intercept provides a “review before posting” capability.
They say it’s not indiscriminate because they only target “non-US persons”. However, there’s a ton of reasons why a “US person” could be targeted, including the use of cryptography, so even that argument is moot.
Wake up people, Democrats or Republicans,Tories or Labor. Liberals or Conservatives it’s two sides of the same evil coin it’s called Fascism. So the next time a politician asks for your vote, support or money just say no & vote for an independent candidate. Send a message they can’t ignore & will understand ! ! Both parties have been complicit in this criminal activity.
Money in politics equals corruption, reduce the money you reduce the corruption ! We don’t need the worst politicians money can buy, we need politicians that money can’t buy ! It’s time to remove the Corporate Congress from office & take back America !
The Government will continue its PR & propaganda campaign using the following tactics as quoted by Joseph Goebbels during the 1930’s & 1940’s.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” AND
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”
The following link is a must read ! This is not the Future. This is the here & NOW ! http://1933key.com/US-Empire/US-Patriot-Act-Compared-to-German-Enabling-Act
The supreme law of The USA is the Constitution, not the Patriot act the FISA act, or any other such acts that have unconstitutional provisions,are invalid & it matters not how many public officials say it’s legal, it’s NOT for the 1st,4th,5th,6th 9th 10th & 14th amendments say otherwise ! ! To say it is legal only shows the public their betrayal of the Constitution, their oath of office, and the American people.
No more lies, excuses rationalizations,or justifications, the public needs to hold these officials to account to the fullest extent of the law under Title 18 sec. 241 & 242 So any future traitors will know there will be consequences to such behavior. I hope the United Kingdom has equivalent laws, but if not maybe it’s time to get some. Better late than never.
Don’t blame Snowden or the Press for the actions of NSA & GCHQ & our Governments, they are the ONLY ones responsible for the crimes they have committed ! ! ! See USC Title 18 Sec. 241 & 242. So why no arrest warrants for high crimes, but only for misdemeanors ? ? ?
High crimes = NSA + GCHQ + PUBLIC OFFICALS OF THE UK & US ! ! !
Misdemeanors = Snowden, Manning, Assange, lAVABIT
REMEMBER: POLITICIANS, BUREAUCRATS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON.
He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money.
Benjamin Franklin
He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.
Benjamin Franklin
Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.
James Madison
The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.
Patrick Henry
“We the People are the rightful masters of BOTH Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution”
Abraham Lincoln
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln
As a reminder Hermann Goering said at the Nuremberg Trials .
“The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
NSA General Keith Alexander told lawmakers “that even if approved, the measure would not necessarily end warrant-less collection depending on judicial interpretation.”
Time to start removeing the corporate Congress from office & defunding the NSA to force them to comply with the law & impose jail time for non compliance under USC Title 18 Sec. 241 & 242
Disclaimer: Be advised it is possible, that this communication is being monitored by the National Security Agency or GCHQ. I neither condone or support any such policy, by any Government authority that does not comply, as stipulated by the 4th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Whatever happened to anonymous? For a while I hoped they were going lead us in a fight against the online police state.
Anonymous?
I think Anonymous coupled up with Occupy Wall Street and they had an illegitimate Love Child.
With all this journalistic excellence and computer knowledge the Intercept could find that missing plane…..
Or better yet find those hackers that keep making us have to get new credit and debit cards every time we make a purchase at some new department store…
Is NSA spying… DUH…. while it is good that people are made aware of it… just remember every other hacker out there is spying on us also.
Truth be told if our access to the internet in this country was shut down (hacked) the NSA would lose its spying ability…. problem solved….. LOL
This continuing pattern of scripted lies, denials, and disinformation we are witnessing goes far beyond the NSA. We see the same thing from the CIA and the WhiteHouse too.
If you take a step back and consider what we witnessed in just the past week, it’s mind boggling.
:
– The Intercept exposes yet another illegal NSA surveillance program targeted at Facebook.
The NSA issues yet another “non denial” regarding their latest illegal surveillance activity.
– The head of the Senate Intelligence committee (Feinstein) investigating the CIA Torture and Detainment program, makes a 1 hour speech on the Senate floor outlining how the CIA has intentionally obstructed their investigation via illegal surveillance on the oversight committees computers. Worse yet, the CIA refuses to turn over a full copy of the “Panetta Review” document, AND launches their own counter investigation against the oversight committee that is empowered by the Constitution to review them.
– Meanwhile the White House (which has direct control over both the NSA and CIA), stands by and does NOTHING. Instead, Obama goes out of his way to ignore the CIA situation further, by announcing that it is not going to “wade into” the situation. At the same time, he then announces that the White House will NOT provide over 9,000 pages of documents that the Senate Intelligence requested. (Some of which, contain the original Sept 17, 2001 directive signed by George W. Bush, that authorized the CIA to engage in illegal detention, torture, and murder.)
People, what we’re witnessing is a completely ROGUE Executive Branch of government.
It includes the President, WhiteHouse staff, NSA, CIA, DOJ, and more.
They are lying about everything!
– NSA illegal surveillance.
– CIA Torture and Murder
– Benghazi,
– Much more…..
They execute these illegal activities via powers they bestowed upon themselves via secret courts and secret directives. They operate above and beyond U.S. law and the U.S. Constitution.
They refuse to cooperate with the oversight committees that are Constitutionally authorized to monitor them. They lie to the constituents whom they are supposed to represent.
ROGUE government in action!
I can only imagine that these types of events are exactly what President Dwight Eisenhower had in mind when outlined his concerns that the U.S.citizens must maintain a vigilant watch against the development of a “military – industry complex”. We should heed these words today:
“We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. ” (D.Eisenhower, Jan 1961)
Time to wake up people!
The entity that Eisenhower warned about is already here.
Its tentacles already stretch across the Presidency, Intelligence agencies, and Military.
The only defense against this cancer is “We The People”…..
It’s time for all Americans to set aside our political differences, and come together to defend our Nation. This is no longer about Democrat or Republican.
This is about defending our fundamental rights to freedom and privacy….
Very well said! Completely concur.
Have you noticed that the majority of Republican Senators are remaining silent on Senator Diane Feinstein’s litany of CIA delaying, obstructing, withholding, spying activities re the Intelligence Committee’s investigation and reporting on the Bush “torture” programs? The Republican Senators, it appears, would rather protect one of their own party, Bush Jr., than push back against the CIA and the Obama Administration’s attack on the Constitutional separation of powers, the 4th Amendment, and the illegality of CIA domestic spying.
What is going on here? Have our Representatives lost their minds? Has Obama and the Executive Agencies succeeded in subverting our representative government and our courts? It looks like it.
After I originally posted it, I re-read Eisenhower’s speech.
If you boil it down to its core message, it’s brilliant. It’s exactly what’s going on today.
Unlike our recent Presidents who had no military service, Eisenhower was a true military and intelligence man. He “knew” what was going to eventually happen. Time has proven him correct.
Below is an abbreviated version of Dwight Eisenhower’s 1961 “Warning” speech:
1. “We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence”.
2. “The disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist”.
3. “This combination endangers our liberties or democratic processes”.
4. “We should take nothing for granted”.
5. “Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel…”
In my opinion, we have already “failed” on items 1 and 2.
The “rise of misplaced power” has already occurred.
Until it is dismantled by The People, it will persist.
Item 3 is occurring at this very moment.
The CIA is now challenging and attacking its Constitutionally designed oversight. The President is supporting this. IF the Executive Branch of government wins this battle, it will forever set a precedent that the Executive Branch can forever “hide” its activities from any future oversight. THIS MUST BE STOPPED NOW!!!!!
If not stopped, it will set the stage for unlimited expansion of hidden powers by the Executive Branch (er, “Military – Industrial Complex”…)
Items 4 and 5 are what we MUST DO NOW!
“Taking nothing for granted”.
(i.e. Do not believe the BS that is being propogated by the Executive Branch)
The time has come for an “alert” and “knowledgeable” citizenry to COMPEL.
(i.e. All Americans need to rise up, come together, and “COMPEL” this cancer from our shores…)
As a last point regarding the “military – industrial complex”, it must be recognized that this is *NOT* a partisan issue. It persists across all political boundaries. It’s not Democrat. It’s not Republican. It’s purely about power and control, and those who can afford or influence access to it.
This most recent cycle began with George Bush (Cheney, Rumsfeld), and has persisted and endured throughout the Obama administration. 14 years!
The reason for this “persistence” is because the hidden “actors” who manage this complex remain in place for many years, across numerous presidencies. They devote entire careers to developing and protecting this hidden complex. Names like “Hayden, Alexander, Clapper, Eatinger, Brennan, etc… These are just a few examples of the life long “soldiers” who operate and maintain the “Military – Industrial complex”.
People, the time has come to rip open the door on this entire complex and clean it out.
When the “light strikes”, we will all be amazed at how many “cockroaches” are present, and the filth and destruction they have wrought.
Obviously we are reading from same sheet of music. Perhaps this link will interest you as it aligns with your thoughts.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/04/neo-american-intel-meltdown/
“The term “purge” comes to mind.”
Lyra 1,
Very good read. Thanks for the link!
Our “Intelligence complex” is finally being exposed as the incompetent, ineffective, and self-serving institution that it is.
It has no “true purpose”. It cannot demonstrate any proven results.
They have not stopped a single terrorist attack. (Including 911).
They have accomplished nothing in regard to protecting the U.S. citizens from terrorists.
The only thing our that the U.S. intelligence community excels at these days, is
developing false propaganda and false “enemies” with which it attempts to justify both its existence, and the insane amount of tax dollars that it is fed each year.
Those tax dollars have done NOTHING tangible to protect U.S. citizens from terrorists.
The only thing they have accomplished with our tax dollars is to undeservedly enrich and empower the ever-growing hoard of self-serving “insider pigs” who line up at the tax
dollar feeding trough each day.
The only thing they truly spend the money on, is to develop advanced
surveillance systems which (they hope) will allow them to gain further control and power over the tax payers who fund and empower them.
The American People ARE beginning to notice and understand the existence of our
ROGUE government and “Military – Industrial complex”..
As President Eisenhower stated, it will be up to the “citizens” to
“COMPEL” needed change.
I believe that time has come….
Most definitely Clear 321. Here is another link for you:
http://investmentwatchblog.com/pretexts-for-war-how-the-public-is-deceived-into-fighting/
Lyra 1,
Thanks again. Very informative.
The ROGUE government is a cunning and deceitful organism that uses lies and disinformation to lure its prey. It then feeds completely upon the money, blood, and faith of those who are foolish or ignorant enough to trust it.
Unfortunately, in spite of all the “warnings” and “history” of its deadly and perverse behavior, this organism continues to self-perpetuate upon a never ending supply of gullible victims.
Hopefully, sometime soon the masses will recognize this dangerous organism for what it is, and take necessary actions to “vaccinate it” into oblivion. (COMPEL)
That is the best written, most concise, and astute assessment of the current situation that I have seen yet. You made every word count. My opinion of Ike has never been higher. Who the heck are you?
The advantage of tapping into & storing everyone’s (electronic) activity is that eventually some will rise to a position of leadership – it is those people who become pliable to the NSA..
How much data does the NSA have on Obama, Michele or his family? I would reckon more than enough to embarrass him & leave him open to blackmail.
This is an avatar test.
Carry on…….
Britain is treating journalists as terrorists – believe me, I know
My links to WikiLeaks and Edward Snowden mean I am treated as a threat and can’t return to the UK. We need a free speech roadmap
o The Guardian, Friday 14 March 2014 13.38 GMT
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/14/britain-journalists-terrorists-edward-snowden-nsa?CMP=twt_gu
Man they are some sneaky lil buugers.
http://www.Anon-Works.com
Yes, Ryan, but did you pick up the phone and call President Obama? *I don’t think Obama is talking to Glenn right now.
Although Zuckerberg is not talking (specifics) either, and The President ‘doesn’t want to get anything on his tie’, I do wonder if ~their conversation~ was/is accurately represented by NSC spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden response:
>”National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden didn’t provide details of Obama’s discussion with Zuckerberg but pointed to an NSA statement Thursday that pushed back on the report by Glenn Greenwald in The Intercept, which described the NSA practices.
“NSA does not use its technical capabilities to impersonate U.S. company websites,” the statement said. “Nor does NSA target any user of global Internet services without appropriate legal authority. Reports of indiscriminate computer exploitation operations are simply false.””
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/mark-zuckerberg-barack-obama-nsa-104645.html#ixzz2w835nnhL
p.s. I notice, Ryan, the Politico piece has neglected to even list you as an ‘accomplice’ on the byline of TI article in question.
The NSA is an illegal institution! The Constitution does not allow espionage. Espionage is a human rights violation. Impeach the President, Congressmen and Senators that enabled this unconstitutional act. All former presidents, congressmen and senators are liable for prosecution. It is time for accountability. It is time to eradicate politics and it is time to establish accountable leadership. Taxpaying citizens comprise a nation. A government is responsible to the nation. It is time for financial transparency. The nation’s taxpayers have a RIGHT to know how and where their taxes are invested and why unconstitutional laws and agencies are permitted to be established. Impeachment for such treasonable behaviour!
The phone metadata collection was “indiscriminate” in that it collected as much data about every single call as it could. Essentially it collected metadata on every single call. The malware distribution was “discriminate” in the sense that at least there was some sort of targeting (which itself is an important and fundamental difference from the indiscriminate metadata collection) from which it is a relatively small philosophical jump to a “lawful targeting via warrants”.
What’s the warrant threshold, reasonable cause? The distinction between not having a warrant and having a warrant is obviously an important one in theory and would need to be addressed, but as we’ve seen with FISA courts (and perhaps other courts) not necessarily a significantly meaningful one in practice.
As to the practice itself, actual malicious actions that result in damage to the private property of individuals, as opposed to say, simply tapping their phones or tailing them when they are in public, well this is obviously more serious and seems, on its face, to be patently illegal, especially as long as there is no potential recourse for the individuals affected. When you have a search warrant, you can often break down a door to get into a house, but these actions, partly by virtue of the warranting process, are “above board” and offer potential recourse when mistakes are made, whereas this malware distribution is entirely in the dark, with no court approval, and no hope for accountability when mistakes are made.
All this may seem obvious. I’m sure it does, but it wasn’t apparent from this specific article, which asked important questions but didn’t provide much of this context.
Very insightful…NSA gets around the minor problem of illegality in not only monitoring but also changing posts by not bring criminal charges against targets, perhaps you’ve noticed charges are never filed. That’s becasue targets they harass, slander, misquote, defame, or otherwise discredit arent commiting any crimes (as much as NSA would like to make Blogging illegal, so far they haven’t)…they are just a pain in NSA’s ass, so NSA uses government resources to silence them, and has done so to good effect. They must be stopped now,,,
No final victories, no final defeats, but only an ongoing struggle. Tony Benn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-P4mx1FLU
American leftists always think that either it’s hopeless or final victory is just around the corner.
Facebook is not the only site that the NSA imitates.
Appearances can be deceptive.
When Firstlook.org is not Firstlook.org.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Sockets_Layer
Whist at The Intercept I experienced the following on the 12th of
March 2014.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/news/
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to firstlook.org. SSL received
a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. (Error code:
ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
Alternatively, use the command found in the help menu to report this
broken site.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/voices/
Secure Connection Failed
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/documents/
Secure Connection Failed
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/dispatches/
Secure Connection Failed
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/wp-comments-post.php
Secure Connection Failed
After I tried to post at the Intercept I was informed by my machine that I had no Internet connection.
I tried connecting my existing connection but received a Firefox message stating my modem (adsl2 iconnect 622) was not connecting.I went to my ISP (iprimus.com) and signed in to my modem account and tried registering my set-up
Many of my settings had been changed.
My modem account had been hacked.
It took 6 attempts to restore my modem’s settings. (I have a copy of the proper settings and made no error in the 5 previous attempts.) I was back on line and I made a number of posts (as JFW) which showed.. Then my account James Fingleton Wild seemed useless as I tried to post and be published at the article. I tried many things, even a back up computer but James Fingleton Wild could not get a post to stick. 14 posts were tried with none appearing.
I opened a new account as Kelly1880. It worked on both computers.
Now I wondered what malware I had picked up at the Intercept (In no way do I believe the Intercept had anything to do with it)
A long story short I found the following rootkit :
Service function
NtWriteVirtualMemory hook
NtUserSetWinEventHook hook
NtUserSetWindowsHookEx hook
NtUserSetParent hook
NtUserSendInput hook
NtUserRegisterRawInputDevices hook
NtUserPostThreadMessage hook
NtUserPostMessage hook
NtUserMessageCall hook
NtUserGetKeyState hook
NtUserGetKeyboardState hook
NtUserGetAsyncKeyState hook
NtUserFindWindowEx hook
NtUserBuildHwndList hook
NtUserAttachThreadInput hook
NtUnmapViewOfSection hook
NtTerminateThead hook
NtTerminateProcess hook
NtSystemDebugControl hook
NtSuspendThread hook
NtSuspendProcesshook
NtSetSysteminformation hook
NtSetSequirityObject hook
NtSetInformationToken hook
NtSetContextThread hook
NtSecureConnectPort hook
NtSaveKey hook
NtRestoreKey hook
NtRequestWaitReplyPort hook
NtReplyPort hook
NtReplaceKey hook
NtQueueApcThread hook
NtQuerySection hook
NtQueryDirectoryObject hook
NtOpenThread hook
NtOpenSemaphore hook
NtOpenSection hook
NtOpenProcess hook
NtOpenMutant hook
NtOpenFile hook
NtOpenEvent hook
NtMapViewOfSection hook
NtLoadDriver hook
NtGdiStretchBit hook
NtGdiPlgBit hook
NtGdiMaskBit hook
NtGdiBitBit hook
NtFsControlFile hook
NtDuplicateObject hook
NtDevicetoControlFile hook
NtDebugActiveProcess hook
NtCreateWaitablePort hook
NtCreateUserProcess hook
NtCreateThreadEx hook
NtCreateThread hook
NtCreateSemaphore hook
NtCreateSection hook
NtCreatePort hook
NtCreateNamedPipeFile hook
NtCreateMutant hook
NtCreateFile hook
NtCreateEvent hook
NtConnectPort hook
NtClose hook
NtAlpcSendWaitReceivePort hook
NtAlpcCreatePort hook
NtAlpcConnectPort hook
NtAdjustPriviledgesToken hook
all at C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\6915808drv.sys
Devil of a job to get rid of the thing.
One question remains.
Why is the account James Fingleton Wild blocked. It is not my machine or browser as Kelly1880 works.
I have sent two emails since the 12th but have received no reply from the Intercept..
Now GLITCHES are a fairy tale boys and girls. The above is a deliberate act by a third party.
Cheers to all
jimmy.
Thanks for your detailed post of your experiences and discovery of a malware rootkit on your primary PC.
Yesterday, 3/15, I did experience a very weird and unexplainable glitch on my primary PC. A first time ever event – I am a 20+ year PC user, having built all of my PCs from the motherboard up except for my laptops.
On startup, my PC showed a completely different main display screen: my desktop wallpaper was replaced with a generic, most of my desktop icons had disappeared, and my PC behaved as if it was the initial startup, with a few exceptions, of a brand new Windows installation. I did a restart from a prior restore point and my PC came up with its normal startup main display screen. The glitch could be completely unrelated to NSA malware, but the event does pique my curiosity. I will do some more detective work including looking for a rootkit. I do most of my internet surfing and website posting from my iPad. I only use my primary PC an hour or so each day. Until I can check for a rootkit on my primary PC, I’ll use my backup PC.
I also need to try to access The Intercept from my primary PC. Haven’t done that for over two weeks as I use my iPad to surf, and my PC to run programs such as Excel, etc.
Thank you for your kind reply.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit
<blockquote)A rootkit is a stealthy type of software, typically malicious, designed to hide the existence of certain processes or programs from normal methods of detection and enable continued privileged access to a computer.[1] The term rootkit is a concatenation of "root" (the traditional name of the privileged account on Unix operating systems) and the word "kit" (which refers to the software components that implement the tool). The term "rootkit" has negative connotations through its association with malware.[1]
Rootkit installation can be automated, or an attacker can install it once they've obtained root or Administrator access. Obtaining this access is a result of direct attack on a system (i.e. exploiting a known vulnerability, password (either by cracking, privilege escalation, or social engineering)). Once installed, it becomes possible to hide the intrusion as well as to maintain privileged access. The key is the root/Administrator access. Full control over a system means that existing software can be modified, including software that might otherwise be used to detect or circumvent it.
Rootkit detection is difficult because a rootkit may be able to subvert the software that is intended to find it. Detection methods include using an alternative and trusted operating system, behavioral-based methods, signature scanning, difference scanning, and memory dump analysis. Removal can be complicated or practically impossible, especially in cases where the rootkit resides in the kernel; reinstallation of the operating system may be the only available solution to the problem. When dealing with firmware rootkits, removal may require hardware replacement, or specialized equipment.
I used Kaspersky virus removal tool and Kaspersky TDSSkiller, Malwarebytes virus removal tool and Malwarebytes antirootkit (Mbar), Microsoft Security Essentials, IObit antimalware all of which which did not show the rootkit.
AVG (2014 free version) did. However after AVG found the rootkit and offered to remove the kit, when I hit remove AVG froze and became unresponsive. I closed reopenned and scanned half a dozen times with the same result, AVG became hung up and despondent and completely unresponsive. Pings were heard above my sighs..
I love puzzles and I discovered a forged certificate in my Creative Labs directory (love me digital signatures and pattern matching) which is my soundcard.
Kaspersky TDSSkiller (with all options checked, digital signatures etc) found this and removed it.
I was then able to run AVG rootkit scan and this time it removed the 70 threats.
Look hard, look often and have 6 eyes scouring your machine.
I notice at this site many unresponsive scripts running. All of these, to my detection are from the third party trackers. I run Ghostery on my primary machine (NSA Ihave many machines some are almost virginal) which shows various trackers here.
Google anaylitics, Mixpanel, Conviva and Gravatar.
At times with an unresponsive script I have seen Ghostery state there are no Trackers at the site or one or more of the quartet does show. If I go out and return it shows the trackers. If I refresh sometimes the trackers are a no show.
Since it is unlikely someone at the Intercept is turning trackers on and off, there is a problem with security at this site. (Just my reasoning)
Conviva for example gives this :
Over the years I have had my adobe account hacked and found flash player forged certificates and bogus java scripts.
Check your certificates boys and girls and remember digital signatures and pattern matching are your friends.
Thanks Jim
cheers jimmy.
I’ve been running AVG on my desktop PCs, my wife’s desktop, and my daughter’s desktop since Norton Antivirus required activation. I had been running Norton AV but quit immediately (I think the Norton AV version w/activation was 2003), and started running AVG. I’ve been pleased with AVG. I run AVG Pro on my primary PC. I run a few others but not on a frequent basis.
You the man. Who could ask for anything More.
I tried not to spam but AVG is a trusted friend to me.
So is that friendly ghost Casper sitting in the sky.
Norton was a disappointment for me.
So too was Microsoft Security Essentials and IObit malware.
Indeed in all the years and after almost daily assaults MSE has never shown any malware. Iobit has shown PUP infections and a couple of heuristic threats.
What does that say about my seemingly condemned applications by third party preachers?
Most people do not have a clue about what we are discussing.
It is rather ironic that the NSA is using exactly the technique Rob Ford used when he was denying that he had used crack cocaine and that there was a video of him doing so.
Technical capability must be understood within the legal, policy, and operational context within which the capability must be employed and we were probably in a drunken stupor at the time.
The phone metadata collection was “indiscriminate” in that it collected as much data about every single call as it could. Essentially it collected metadata on every single call. The malware distribution was “discriminate” in the sense that at least there was some sort of targeting (which itself is an important and fundamental difference from the indiscriminate metadata collection) from which it is a relatively small philosophical jump to a “lawful targeting via warrants”.
What’s the warrant threshold, reasonable cause? The distinction between not having a warrant and having a warrant is obviously an important one in theory and would need to be addressed, but as we’ve seen with FISA courts (and perhaps other courts) not necessarily a significantly meaningful one in practice.
As to the practice itself, actual malicious actions that result in damage to the private property of individuals, as opposed to say, simply tapping their phones or tailing them when they are in public, well this is obviously more serious and seems, on its face, to be patently illegal, especially as long as there is no potential recourse for the individuals affected. When you have a search warrant, you can often break down a door to get into a house, but these actions, partly by virtue of the warranting process, are “above board” and offer potential recourse when mistakes are made, whereas this malware distribution is entirely in the dark, with no court approval, and no hope for accountability when mistakes are made.
All this may seem obvious. I’m sure it does, but it wasn’t apparent from this specific article, which asked important questions but didn’t provide much of this context.
Has anyone ever tried to post the same comment twice on Facebook. I got that reply:
This status update is identical to the last one you posted. Try posting something different, or delete your previous update.
Try posting something different.
And we believe our government is to be trusted with our lands in which resources are so immense as to tempt the most well meaning and honest among us. To tell us they are protecting us while all the time undermining the very platform they claim to stand upon. It is past time to bring these miscreants to justice, that is the justice of the people. Who shall be first for they may surely fall upon the sword.
This is a really excellent analysis of the NSA response. Very well written and thought through.
Considering all these revelations, who now has an appetite for voting over the Internet or counting votes in American elections with computers? We MUST preserve voter-marked paper ballots and if they are counted on election night by computers, we MUST insist that no results are considered final and official until the computer-tabulated totals are verified with a hand count of the paper ballots.
I’ve actually seen this process in action on Georgia Tech’s campus. A federal agent infiltrated into a communications closet in the building I worked. I reported him as suspicious to the college IT staff and then subsequently he was reported to the campus police which failed to act entirely and further investigate the incident. Mysteriously on that day I before I noticed the agent I had strange problems with sessions to sites I commonly visit. As a web developer and programmer, I found that quite odd. It’s hard for them to replace a currently running session with their technology. If you notice that your session stops working oddly chances are they are running this type of technology. This technology most likely takes advantage of DNS vulnerabilities.
I’ve actually seen this process in action on Georgia Tech’s campus. An agent infiltrated into a communications closet in the building I worked. I reported him as suspicious to the college IT staff and then subsequently he was reported to the campus police which failed to act entirely. Mysteriously on that day I before I noticed the agent I had strange problems with sessions to sites I commonly visit. As a web developer and programmer, I found that quite odd. It’s hard for them to replace a currently running session with their technology. If you notice that your session stops working oddly chances are they are running this type of technology.
Think of how many people are caught for posting stuff on Facebook so all of this blah blah blah is just a bunch of BS. They are stalkers….. Seriously they keep tilting their hands…… Then they all bounce around their plausible deniability like a freaking ping pong game thinking we will never take our eyes off the ball long enough to actually look around the room….
It says something when you folks do real investigative reporting and by doing so have almost created your own niche. And what it says is quite frightening, really.
Nice work.
I see some avatars creeping in here and there. Can someone please post a comment letting the rest of us know how you managed to get your faces associated with your names?
tyvm.
Go to http://en.gravatar.com/ and sign up through wordpress. You can have a picture associated with the email address you provide..
Thank you!
Test of new gravitar
Thank you very much.
Oh, all right. Why not?
The Neu Stasi Amerikanisch won’t be able to crack the steganography, anyway.
test
Actually, it is amazing that the NSA has not issued even one denial of any of these revelations! Oh, yes, I see, maybe you could consider some of those statements denials, but only on the level that one of my dogs demonstrates when denying stealing the food of another.
They believe that they are protected; it will take a lot to convince them that they are not.
It’s true that their denials are the adult version of “nuh-uh.” They could also try “I know you are, but what am I?” They can’t go wrong with “You thought we were being serious? Silly you.”
Their belief that they are being protected seems well founded. Obama, Congressional oversight people, Washington power structure, and global elites have made it very clear that NSA and their allies are doing just what they want them to. Lots of people agree with them, but the few that are unaware of what is happening are disengaged from all politics.
This implant is being deployed wirelessly on my computer currently. Just finished formatting my hard drive ( 4 x in 3 years). This time I’ve my computer has not been online. However The same thing has happen letting me know know formatting my hard drive will not remove it like it removes everything else.
The NSA is really getting frustrated about the amount of information now coming through via the internet. At one time they attempted to shut down the whole internet but obviously failed. Their various tricks and trolls have not produced the desired goals and a last ditch effort might be made to spam out worldwide malware to shut down that which they can no longer control.
The agency supporting increased transparency is probably more of that devious and slippery language. There are many degrees of increased transparency they could probably support, some of them meaningless and trivial except as a PR strategy.
‘Tomorrow Belongs to Me!’
(With Lyrics and personal expressions that will likely send a chill down your spine)
When I watched and heard President Obama state within a recent video that we Americans were exceptional, I got a sick quivering in my stomach. A few days ago, I also watched a video at Fox News (I force myself to consider all sides of an issue). Like Mr. Obama, ‘Judge Jeanine’ forcefully extolled the virtues of American Exceptionalism. These two diametrically opposed Americans made me realize the depth of exceptionalism in America and how it permeates all political philosophies—treacherously so.
Please watch this thought-invoking video of a young German brown-shirt (replete with a Swastika and salute) sing a hauntingly beautiful melodic song of nationalistic pride (exceptionalism) that foretells of one of the greatest tragedies of war known to humankind. The song begins with a mild-mannered, low volume denoting the tranquilness of the people surrounded by a peaceful, bucolic German setting.
Then, the lyrics gain loudness with the phrases, “But soon, says a whisper; Arise! Arise! Tomorrow Belongs to Me! As other young and older people start arising to join in the singing, the sound crescendos with forced, angered voices during the phrase ‘Oh Fatherland, Fatherland’ (sound familiar—our own Homeland, Homeland since 9/11) and continues this forcefulness until the end (which has a surprising ‘metaphoric’ appearance of the MC/Emcee in a vampire-like, musing ‘cameo’).
For me, this one exceptionally brilliant video succinctly encapsulates—better than the historical written word—how decent Germans of all ages were propagandized enough to carry out unthinkable genocide on other innocent humans. We Americans are now in a similar mindset, which portends a similar tragedy. We must not allow President Obama and others in his administration and congress to hoodwink us into another global war because of our supposed exceptionalism— if that occurs, we will lose in every conceivable way possible.
(H/T to Doug S. who posted another version of this video within an earlier TI comment of another article. The song is from the movie version of the musical ‘Cabaret’, 1972, which I have never seen.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv0jav4lNsk
Thanks for posting the link to the video. I think I missed the other link – but do remember the talk of this song on the other thread.
That video is indeed a theatrical journey of the propagandizement you describe. And that appearance of the MC is indeed creepy.
But am I alone in noticing the one old man who stayed seated and seemed to be watching with an expression of sad dismay and forboding? His performance was very telling as well.
Your comment is also well taken. I keep hoping and praying that enough people wake up and we can turn things around before it’s too late.
BTW tech people of The Intercept: some mentioned the other thread how words are splitting apart almost haphazardly. I think it may have to do with something related to that line separating the article from the info blurb links about the writer. That line now seems to extend all down the comments. Hope that helps to get the problem resolved.
The old gent was likely thinking, “Oh, no, not again! When Will They Ever Learn?” Although all the main movie characters are fictional, based upon the Christopher Isherwood novel ‘Goodbye Berlin’, he might portray a WW1 soldier, although he would have been around 45-years-old at the start in 1914, if one assumes he is 70-years-old in 1939 when WWII began. If not, he most assuredly suffered family and friendship losses since WW1 claimed over 2 million German military deaths, about 400,000 German civilian deaths occurred during that 4.25-year war, and Germans were severely punished afterward via the harsh Treaty of Versailles . Regardless, he is none too pleased with the patriotic revelry of others around him.
(An interesting note; Isherwood based his main characters, such as Sally Bowles, upon some of his real life acquaintances. Perhaps this old man’s character was based upon a friend or an acquaintance—unless the movie scriptwriters fictionalized him. I plan on purchasing Isherwood’s old book and ordering the DVD of ‘Cabaret’, since I have not seen the movie).
Thanks to the Internet for the previous information—I am certainly neither a competent historian nor a literary critic. I trust that we will still have Internet access as a reference source for a few more years, available for similar ‘research’ before the NSA and others shut it down or allow us access only via a State Sponsored Network (SSN!)
I’m glad more folks will have the chance to see this remarkable film. If you can play BluRay discs, that edition is, well, stunning.
The Isherwood stories will be a treat, too.
And the disgusted old codger at the picnic has lived in my head since the movie was new. I can see him now.
What is interesting is had I not commented on a completely different ‘earworm’/stuck song syndrome song a few days—and then if you had not commented about this video—I very likely would have never seen this critically important scene. I am not much of a movie guy. The last movie I saw, in an almost vacant military base theater, was in 1972 (but not Cabaret of that same year, ironically). Thanks again. The Blu-ray disc is $10.00 more than the DVD (of which the 2003 release has additional special features). I might purchase both.
There have been 112 new views on the linked YouTube channel video in less than 22 hours. I am listening to it now and it represents the very best good side of the stuck song syndrome.
Great commentary on the background of Caberet and the old man. It certainly is possible he may be some acquaintance of Isherwood. Even if a Hollywood invention, I thin his character adds an important counterpoint to that scene.
Haven’t read Isherwood’s stories, nor have I seen the movie. But I did read the play or something many years ago – so I’m not sure exactly which version. I may actually watch the film one of these days and will be on the lookout for Iserwood’s book.
What amazingly big brass ones these agencies possess to keep pretending ‘everyone else’ has honesty and credibility problems. Thank you Ryan, Glenn and everyone at The Intercept.
Another example of non-denial denials is Brennan’s” we wouldn’t do that”, concerning their computer break-ins of the US Senate committee.
What a person/agency ( who is the we here?) would do, and what that person or agency did do can be different depending on several factors. Feinstein(hypocritical but this is still an informative event) made no claims about what the FBI or CIA ‘would’ do. She made claims about what they did do. Brennan’s statements about what they ‘would do’ are legal escape clauses parading as definitive claims.
Ryan states:
” If the NSA truly wants to gain citizens’ trust, it should rethink its slippery public relations strategy. ”
Seriously, trusting the NSA is an option? All they have to do is to “rethink its public relations strategy”
Ryan is a fool. Why should ANYONE EVER trust an agency that exists to spy ?
In a democracy WE THE PEOPLE should be spying on the government,
Ryan’s comment disqualifies him as a contributor to this site.
Consider this:
The writer wants the NSA to be decent, honest, operating with integrity.
Personally I support this.
Has anyone here suggested that it is? Ryan has not: suggesting what the NSA might do if it desires trust is different from suggesting that [any]one might, as a result or otherwise, trust that entity.
Words. It’s important that we try to stick to shared meanings when using them to communicate.
Agree. And it’s an important point and distinction. So much so that I’ve chosen to, so to speak, “pile on.” I had thought of writing the same earlier but went onto something else. Glad that you commented about it.
Me too, I was going to clarify, glad other people have. Carl’s just confused and got angry. We’re all so riled up by this, we don’t know who to trust! It’s easy to let our emotions get the best of us, and jump to a snap conclusion without thinking it through.
I think the majority of US citizens still trust the NSA. Perhaps your comment disqualifies you from commenting on this site.
Thanks for your excellent work, but one thing about this story drives me crazy. You say “the NSA secretly pretended to be a fake Facebook server.” Surely that should be “NSA pretended to be a real Facebook server.” If you’re pretending to be a fake, that’s not really pretending. I think that’s a reasonably unfortunate error.
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Glad to see that it’s not just my machine. Looks like “break-all” needs to go.
This is what’s key about being able to publish source material. Otherwise, this would all turn into a battle of conflicting claims. The hard evidence completely undermines what would otherwise be sold as “balanced” reporting.
The NSA still lies. However, they now have a much much harder job being believed since their own very detailed documents and presentations clearly refute their lies.
The NSA lawyers and wordsmiths must be working around the clock to create their weasel-word replies to try to refute their own internal top secret materials. They should give up and get some sleep. Even some in the MSM have switched allegiances and now consider them liars.
Yes indeed and they are not used to combating ‘evidence’ and so react in their habitual manner of denial thinking nothing can be proven, ie my word against yours (which seems to be ‘par for the course’ in this day and age) unfortunately in this case they end up with egg on the face somehow resembling serial liars!, and not just once but repeatedly!. Which I guess is also not achieving the desired aim of hoping to win trust by ‘appearing’ trustworthy. Seems they have gotten lazy after years of hiding behind so called secrecy where throwing out a quick denial led to sufficient uncertainty to bury the matter.
Zuckerberg and his ilk should be footing every one of Snowden’s living expenses for the rest of his life – and legal bills. It would be as if they bought some toilet paper, compared to the value he gave them for free, via yalls.
Come to think of it – they should contribute to the Intercept big-time, if they had “morals”.
In reading through the comments, I sense a theme: “come to our rescue.”
People here seek leadership, direction, and hope for the future. But this also reveals something else, something deep down in the underbelly of America’s mindset, of the world’s mindset: that we are under the power of others. This mindset is impotence manifest. People are up in arms about what is going on, about the lies perpetrated against them, about the evil acts this country commits in their name. Yet they seek guidance, leadership, and even action – and from the very same people who are the cause of these problems in the first place.
I highly encourage EVERYONE here to read through the website lovefraud.com, and understand that a sociopath, as described on that site, is no more than the domestic manifestation of a psychopath, and that psychopaths – typically charismatic, pathological liars who have absolutely no regard for human life – are running our world.
The point here is we cannot wait for our “leaders” to rescue us. Obama, Zuckerberg, not even Snowden or Greenwald are going to rescue us. The point of this site isn’t to tell us what to do, it is to inform those of us who want to know what is really going on, so that we can then get together and decide what we want to do about it.
As for me, I AM doing something about it. I am trying to organize, trying to be that leader that people so desperately want and need. But I am disabled, essentially banished culturally, and have only one chance to make a difference, and that’s through my show. I’ll let you search here for it as I don’t want to be perceived of as hyping or promoting a private venture. My show is for you. I have 120 episodes up, none of which have advertising, and all are wholly produced, edited, created, uploaded by me – with no help, despite disabilities which render me unable to fully take care of all I need to survive in America. I ask for no more than your ear, and an open mind.
Thanks.
well said
We have a right to send “unadulterated” representatives that the “anti-nsa” chooses straight into the CIA/NSA/FBI/FUSION CENTERS headquarters and see every single thing they’re doing to make sure they’re not hurting people, WHICH THEY ARE. We have the right and responsibility to monitor every single thing they do no matter what. It is our property not theirs, they are actively stealing it and misusing it every second that passes.
I’ve mentioned before we should also viciously fight for states like California, Alaska, Texas etc to succeed with everything we have. This would eliminate the problem and we can do it immediately because they’re using this technology to commit genocide on an unimaginable scale.
It would also take ALL the pressure off of China, Russia, India etc to commit Human Rights abuses and it would save “good peoples” lives all over the world.
The 5-eyes are forcing a “torture race” worldwide, China, Russia, India etc are simply forced to follow suit.
Very thoughtful post and kudos for what you are dong.
You hit on some things I think about a lot. I do think that more and more people are dissatisfied and know things are not right. So yes, they look for some leadership/ You ask why we want someone to “rescue” us.
I think there are a variety of reasons. There are probably a lot of folks who are afraid of taking on a leadership role. Leaders of any kind of dissent are very likely to get hassled by TPTB or worse.
Other folks are so busy just trying to make a living and care for their families. They don’t have a lot left in them to organize.
Also, others have pointed out that organizing for civil liberties is somewhat abstract and some folks just don’t see the relevance of anything that doesn’t affect them immediately.
My own take is that we need to find ways to network together and work for some common goals in this area. How to do this with all the surveillance around, I’m not sure. But I feel we need to unite in some way, on some level to start making a difference.
Is it me or is it this comments board? I MEANT to reply to MIKE
WOLF’s post.
BTW, good luck with the politics, Mike.
Guess it’s me. I think the nested comments finally got me.
We don’t need any special way to communicate. We just need to start talking to each other, and realizing that we have a common enemy, and that it is not each other.
I do suggest you look into the HAM system. If we communicate openly, all of us, about taking our country back, how can the NSA possibly do anything? We are the people, we are from whom the NSA derives its power. So the NSA cannot possibly have any complaints about Americans openly discussing shutting down their illegal and immoral operations, and their whole agency for that matter. Any efforts they make to go after Americans for such discussions would backfire.
We, the people, must unite, we must stand together. Only then can we defeat our common enemy: ignorance.
Totally agree. I actually found a paper the other day discussing most of the points you’ve made regarding dependence on the broken system and the general willingless to sit idle and await saving. It’s on pastebin but worth a read IMO. http://pastebin.com/aRaQfRre
There’s no end to the word games NSA could be playing with their denials. For example, they probably don’t call their implanted software “malware.” I bet they have some other cute word for it. And I doubt they say they “infect” a target computer. And even if you could find references to these terms in the Snowden documents, there’s nothing to stop NSA from issuing internal guidance that disavows any embarrassing terms such as malware, infect, and hack — and redefines them as something else. It shouldn’t surprise anyone if NSA has already done this.
Agreed. They now have “nice” words to use in place of malware, infect, hack, etc., likely replacing them with phrases just like was done by the Bush Administration in renaming “torture” as “enhanced interrogation techniques”. We won’t be fooled again.
Don’t forget, Obama redefined war as “kinetic military action” for legal purposes. Sleazy as that was, at least he did it out in the open. The NSA can perform similar redefinitions in complete secrecy. Internal policy guidance can redefine anything the NSA does and we’ll never know about it unless some whistleblower tells us.
“If the NSA truly wants to gain citizens’ trust, it should rethink its slippery public relations strategy.”
Um…that, Ryan, is the grandest understatement of this whole affair.
Look, everyone here knows that the NSA is lying through their teeth. We caught Clapper red-handed in the beginning. And you guys know all too well that the NSA is an organization of liars. So why hold back? Why don’t you admit what we all know, and what most of us suspect you realize we know – that the NSA has become a rogue agency, part of a rogue administration, which has essentially usurped the executive branch of the United States and is engaged in an economic, social, and political war of aggression bent on world conquest.
The fact is folks, that we are beginning to realize the truth, and once the truth is out, no one can put it back in the bag. Period.
The NSA has got to go. They are corrupt beyond anyone’s wildest imagination.
Sadly, there is only one legitimate and effective means by which we can fix this situation, and that is to completely gut the executive branch, and get started doing the same to Congress as well. We need to vote in a citizen-based government of everyday people, people who don’t wear suits to work; people who work for a living.
I don’t mean to toot my own horn; I sure as hell don’t want the responsibility; but given that I recognize the core issue, that I am aligned on the side of humanity, not America, not money, and certainly not my own personal power; and given that no one else is offering legitimate, workable, sustainable solutions; I am putting my hat in the ring, to at least organize a movement to replace the entire American federal government with a freely elected non-partisan citizen government. This will be a pool of candidates for federal offices who are citizens, who have never run for office, but who have been screened, trained, educated, and otherwise held to account to the American people through a Pledge to Service which will be drafted in a democratic manner.
By replacing 1/3rd of the legislative branch this year, and another third in 2016; we can have a majority stake in our own government. But we must each of us agree that those who represent us, must represent us ALL, not just our specific interests.
Once this new government is in place, we can resolve these matters however best they can be resolved; which in my mind is best achieved through complete gutting of the NSA and other agencies, and a complete revelation of the secrets America has been keeping from its citizens and its allies. With such a gesture, America can surely restore its reputation in the world, especially with ordinary citizens in charge.
Whether I do it or someone else does; we cannot sit around and wait for someone else to fix this problem. So in the meantime, I suggest the following to everyone: turn off your television, begin divesting from American corporate-based culture – reject as the culture of lies it is, and start asking questions instead of accepting what you are told. Confirm everything you hear and read for yourself, or otherwise consider it as unverified information that cannot be acted upon. And start talking with your neighbors and friends about what’s wrong. Don’t just assume you know what’s wrong – begin discussions with friends and neighbors about what’s really wrong, what really lies at the heart of things, what’s really going on. Listen, but don’t let the other person get away with taking anything for granted. Don’t be afraid to call people on it, but be sure you communicate your concern for their taking for granted what may not be true. A good approach is to simply ask the person how they know what they know, ask them where they found the information so that you can verify it for yourself, and be sure to explicitly state, repeatedly if necessary, that you won’t accept anything you are told as truth until you verify it for yourself and that it is just information, no more valuable than rumor, until such time as you an verify it.
We have been enslaved by the “elites” (according to a NASA study!) because we accept their authority, because we blindly trust people who say they have our best interests in mind. Only when we stop accepting what we are told as truth and start seeking the truth for ourselves can we begin the journey to freedom.
Would anyone care to join me on that journey?
quote:”I don’t mean to toot my own horn; I sure as hell don’t want the responsibility; but given that I recognize the core issue, that I am aligned on the side of humanity, not America, not money, and certainly not my own personal power; and given that no one else is offering legitimate, workable, sustainable solutions; I am putting my hat in the ring, to at least organize a movement to replace the entire American federal government with a freely elected non-partisan citizen government. “unquote
Shades of Benjamin Franklin
Not to make light of your post, but I really do suggest you research We The People. Bob Shultz
specifically. Then take a deep deep breath. Then try to imagine what the ruling class will do.
Do you think you will get hold of anyone who doesn’t have a whole dossier of misdeeds? NSA will leak it to some of the obliging channels for them to plaster it all over the screens just before the elections.
Every good patriotic American would have such a file. I WANT people who are being watched by the NSA/FBI/CIA/whomever. These are the people the establishment fears, and their fears are justified.
A thought: why don’t they pretend to be a City of London bank? Might yield handy info during this crisis, don’t you think, to see just how much klepto-money is flowing in and out of Moscow? Instead of spying on FB or whatever?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/15/ukraine-crimea-sanctions-russian-investment-london
Has anyone noticed that Alion Science and Technology is boasting on it’s website that in January 2014 it was “Awarded DTRA Counter Weapons of Mass Destruction (CWMP) contracts valued at up to $4B “. Then google Alion at the Glass Door website to see that it gets a 2.8 out of a 5 star rating from employees while only 32% approve of CEO Bahman Atefi. There you will also see 7 reviews that state , “Upper management receives large bonuses despite poor performance”, as well as several other highly critical reviews. And who is one of the members of the board but Gen. (retired) Michael Hayden who is also a member of the
Chertoff Group and on the Board of Directors of Motorola Solutions where he also owns stock. It is becoming increasingly obvious this bunch of so called “Protectors” while mining the US government for billions of dollars are more about protecting then own investments while their policies have FAILED from 9/11 onward. Could The//Intercept do a full expose of Hayden and his business interests. As a pundit
and lobbyist for the Spy Industry he sure seems to have his fingers in a lot of pies. Follow the money.
Thank you Glenn Greenwald and your associates for shining light on their dark places.
Your comment sections are a mess. For $250 million, I expect more than hacked up margins and no editing or preview function. There should also be a way not to have to “sign in” every time you want to comment. What a joke.
You sound like an unskilled paid NSA phony. Please try harder if you want to detract from the issues.
These forums were dsigned for use by more than you, for more than your computer, and more than your browser.
As long as the website complies with the World Wide Consortium’s Accessibility Guidelines; which provide for a set of minimum basic requirements for universal accessibility, the site is fine. And other than some minor formatting issues based on proprietary software (which you are likely experiencing because you use Internet Explorer or some other non-compliant browswer) the site is fine and seems to comply with most of the Guidelines.
Your complaint is not well founded because it doesn’t consider any perspective but your own. Try another browers. Try another computer. If you still have issues, there is a way to contact the website administration to suggest changes to improve accessibility for all. They may even be able to help you individually with your particular access issue.
Actually, the comment section as it is is temporary because they were anxious to launch The Intercept in order to get on with the reporting they’ve been wanting to do. In the near future the comment set up will be completely revamped and brought up to speed.
Disqus is best.
Terrible idea for people concerned with privacy.
Oboe on 54th Street: Your mommy called. It’s time to put down your toys, wash your hands and sit down to dinner. We are having your favorite dish, balony, with spam as dessert. Enjoy.
It has been announced here and repeated several times over that this is a temporary site, in place while the real one is completed.
Go bitch to Huffington Post whose website an comment system still works like crap after well over a decade.
Why should we believe anything Zuckerberg says? It’s not as if he has years of credibility behind him in how he does business. His bottom line is to his shareholders, so it’s going to take more than a “phone call to Obama” for him to gain any credibility whatsoever.
You never outlined what it is you want NSA to do. Stop being a “fake facebook server?” Shut down completely? Only spy on certain individuals or groups? Which ones? Do you believe that the capitalists in power, if they actually made the “reforms” you appear to want, wouldn’t find other ways of spying on us or on their allies and enemies or other ways to clamp down on dissent and co-opt it before it even happens? Or did you want us to “write letters” to our “representatives” and just hope that the foxes guarding the henhouse will “help” us?
What exactly are your goals now that these revelations are being dripped out? It’ll take decades to report on everything (I suspect many of you will have “moved on” before then, though). Do you expect it to be decades before the capitalists capitulate to your demands? What demands are you making?
FYI – This is a news reporting site. It’s up to the citizens involved to decide what they want the NSA to do.
The people are so hopelessly brainwashed that they look to news for leadership.
Perhaps that’s why I’m doing a show that is leadership masquerading as news and activism masquerading as a fictional show which is also masquerading as leadership and news and activism.
Confused yet? Wait until you watch the show, which is on Youtube under zapocalypsediaries
Hi Oboe,
Journalists are not activists, nor are they required to be. Their profession is to report faithfully, which many of them simply abandoned for their career goals. There are only a few left who are faithful to their profession, and we are lucky to be reading some of them here.
But the sad part is that there are even fewer people left who have the guts to defend what rightfully belongs to all of us – our freedom and our privacy. Why do you think the journalists at The Intercept would ever want to give you back what you yourself do not desire to have? Their duty is to inform you, which I guess they are doing rather well. What is your duty? Ask them why they are telling you all that you should know, or why they are not acting on your behalf? I suppose you need some introspection.
You posted a whole barnyard of straw men. Why don’t you ask all of those questions of yourself. It seems that, in spite of your nasty tone and self righteous attitude, that it is you who are expecting to take a comfortable seat in the peanut gallery and throw stones at everyone who has done the research and informed you as well as they could with the information they have gathered. The Intercept is not your daddy or your mommy. This is an interactive undertaking. Feel free to interact rather then detract or distract. Have at it, bro!
Here’s is a nice rebuttal and solution for Oboe’s dilemma:
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/william-rivers-pitt-the-answer-is-turnout-vote-you-jackass
I 100% disagree with William Rivers Pitt’s push that voting is the answer. It’s not an answer at all. You can’t fix a broken car by replacing the steering wheel when the tires have fallen off. And no amount of “every two years” is going to get us shit. The time has passed for hanging your hat on that undermining the 1% by voting. Consider it like what Snowden had to do in order to get the truth out about the Surveillance State. There was no way he could have done that from “The Inside.” Anyone who tell you different is either lying or ignorant. There are Way too many people suffering, dying being locked away for nothing and on and on for us to think we can ease our way out of it with every two years of voting for yet another soon to be usurped politician. The system is corrupted way beyond voting for this scoundrel over that scoundrel – the scoundrels who are chosen to begin with by the corrupted system. That needs to be taken down. If Pitt was even close to correct or ‘on to something,’ maybe he can explain, for example, how much better Obama is than Romney would have been. I don’t care how horrible Romney might have been or would have been. What I care about is the obvious proven fact that Obama is horrible.
I’m not voicing the flat out “don’t vote” advice. Although on a national level, aside from some very rare cases, I pretty much think it’s not only a waste to vote, but even contributes to keeping the charade going strong.
Out of the national level there are very few situations where it matters at all. One that I’m hoping will be an opportunity to at least make a statement if not to outright win the election is the California governor seat in 2014. Cindy Sheehan is running on the Peace and Freedom Party ticket. At the very least she will get a lot of things said that would not get said by the usual crony cretins on the tickets. So I’m pleased to have that campaign to take an interest in.
PS: If this comment post turns out to be ragged I’m blaming it on this broken words thing going on. It’s hard enough to type coherently in this tiny box as it is but, sheesh!
Kitt, I disagree. There is and will be no change without voting of some sort. After all, the founders of this country initially voted with their feet, and then put their money where their mouths were and initiated a representational democracy based on voting.
As Pitt notes in the article,
@sillyputty
I don’t know why you reposted Pitt’s excerpt. I disagreed with it because I had read it. Repeating it doesn’t change what he wrote, it just repeats it. If you and PItt think that voting for Obama as “the lesser of two evils” helped in any way at all, I disagree. Also, not that I think there should be any need to repeat myself, but I did say that I would be voting for Cindy Sheehan, so, fuck Pitt and his look in the mirror horse shit. Sheehan has about a 5% chance of winning, if that, because the system is rigged. That’s the system that Pitt is telling me to trust with my vote. I don’t trust it at all. There is no reason why I should. I’ll vote for Sheehan for reasons that can be seen by clicking on the link I provided. She won’t win but she will raise a lot of hell and do a lot of educating during her run. So that is worth a lot, and that’s the statement(s) that she and I and all who get behind what she will be saying and doing will be making. Pitt, if he wasn’t the tool that he is (which is what I believe him to be by my readings of his past work) could learn a lot about where we’re at by reading what Sheehan and the Peace and Freedom Party are about.
If you’d like to read some reality hypocrisy, read Elizabeth Warrens’ statements about Israel and about Iran. The reason I’m using her as an example is because she has been one of the few that has played the populist game in a convincing way. But then you read these statements and, boom, she’s just another sell out to the corrupted system.
Elizabeth Warren on Israel and Iran
It’s time to close the nsa, they can no longer be trusted. Government has gone to far into our lives.
More than that, it is time for everyone to realize that “representative” democracies are all fraudulent.
They have failed in practice all over the planet.
No representative can be trusted. Any constitution that implements representation is doomed to fail.
Without direct control, no democracy can exist.
Our constitution is a failure.
And to think that the excellent TI reporters et al. would have no ‘standing’ whatsoever to contest the NSA/CIA/FBI if it were not for the exceptional bravery of one Mr. Edward Snowden.
History will forevermore record his courageous acts. Our children and theirs will read his name enshrined along with other true patriots who sacrificed their own freedoms to help preserve our U.S. Constitution and its encapsulated Bill of Rights.
Unfortunately history only moves forward so there will be no “restoration” of any “rights” “guaranteed” by the Constitution and/or the bill of rights attached. The document was deeply flawed from the start counting slaves and blacks as A FRACTION OF A PERSON and giving the vote only to white male property owners. If anyone thinks the Constitution “guaranteed” anything then they should go find a Japanese person who lived in California prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Maybe this is will come in a later post but I am really curious about Intel and the other chip makers. Would it not be possible to imbed into the chips that operate ALL computers back doors, mal ware and the like? If so why not do that rather than use complicated satellite implantation? (sorry posted this as a reply to someone in error – should be stand alone)
@blueba: Check out Jacob Appelbaum’s presentations on NSA spying hardware. Many of his presentations are available on YouTube. In answer to your question, the NSA has many hardware/firmware means to infect computers before and delivery.
Some of the hardware is so small and concealed that even a talented engineer will not find them. The NSA will intercept delivery and install their spying hardware before sending it on its way to an unsuspecting user. Watch Jacob’s presentations and expect some sleepless nights to follow.
See:
http://www.infowars.com/intel-ceo-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-whether-nsa-can-access-processors/
Also:
http://www.infowars.com/91497/ (“Secret” 3G Intel Chip Gives Snoops Backdoor PC Access)
Last but not least. Straight from the horse’s mouth.
http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress2/?p=5266 (New Intel Based PC’s Permanently Hackable)
Why should the NSA have to justify anything that it does? The United States has many enemies, and if you disarm those appointed to defend you, the ultimate consequences will be unpleasant. The President should announce that the constraints under which the NSA must labor have made it weak and ineffective. It hasn’t foiled a single terrorist plot. So its powers need to be vastly increased. The equipment vendors should do their part and install this so called ‘malware’ themselves on every device they sell. There is no need to hide these things as if they are shameful. Discard all this trickery and subterfuge; step forth proudly into the light!
There’s something about you that I like. You make a lot of sense.
Thank you. Unfortunately I’m no longer around to give advice, but this young Dick Cheney fellow is an avid student of my methods. So listen to him and I’m sure you’ll be destined for greatness.
There’s something about you that I like.
He reminds you of Cheney.
“He reminds you of Cheney.”
Yea! Kind of reminds of Obama too. He turned out to be a pleasant surprise.
@Benito Mussolini: Thanks Benito for expressing your views. Sorry that you were hanged by citizens of your own country even before WWII ended. I guess your views didn’t go over that well even 70 years ago. I hope the leaders and supporter of the NSA share a similar fate.
Those who fail their country deserve to be hanged; unfortunately I was not sufficiently strong. But my views on the other hand, have stood the test of time, and every day are making more headway in the United States. So perhaps I shall have the last laugh. In any case, each new story in The Intercept is a delight to read; I’m feeling better than I have in many years. The mechanisms of control are being cemented in place – all you need now is for a strong leader to take the reins.
Dear Benny,
Of course the US has many enemies, and it helps if you don’t make new enemies or go invading other countries when you don’t have to. Ss you well know.
You did have your own NSA, and you did give the OVRA full powers, but they weren’t much help generating intel when you were losing a war with Greece, were they? Let alone when your own cabinet and your own son-in-law were plotting to overthrow you.
Ciao!
You may be right. The OVRA turned out to be a bunch of incompetents and perhaps the weakness of the NSA is endemic. Maybe Obama is doing the right thing by talking to this young Zuckerberg. He seems to be a bright young fellow, and with him spearheading the data collection effort, I have no doubt the mistakes I made could be avoided. So yes, on second thought, ditch the NSA.
Obviously the NSA is lying and this could be irrefutably proved by simply examining the registry’s of the hard drives of their targets. This would also prove the complicity of major software manufacturers like Microsoft and machine manufacturers such as Dell and ISP’s like AT &T.
Up for the challenge? Check out your machine Registry. Use the Edit menu. Click Find and enter NSA. How many hidden keys are built into your OS?
Oops….Busted.
Dell admits to being part of the VPro conspiracy. I have a Dell Latitude with the aforementioned VPro chip. Dell discreetly notes in their operating procedure manual that once you activate the Vpro chip you cannot “un-ring the bell”; it’s activated forever.
Yep….Now on to the question of Constitutionality. Does this mass surveillance violate the 4th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. The answer to that is yes.
We need a very brave lawyer who is willing to file a massive class action law suit. The Citizens of the United States of America sue Executive Branch of the United States government for mass violation of 4th Amendment Rights. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land not to be usurped by such things as the Patriot Act or The NDAA even if such Acts were deemed necessary for National Security.
The Constitution is SUPPOSED to be the Supreme Law of the Land. Does not one attorney in the United States of America have the guts to represent the people of the United States of America?
RE: Up for the challenge? Check out your machine Registry. Use the Edit menu. Click Find and enter NSA
To find out if you are infected, check the registry for TURBINE. If you are infected it’ll most likely be in
Microsoft Search Assist. with sub-folder of TURBINE and HAMMERSTEIN.
That is one way in a single core processor. There are numerous backdoor entry points.
Mine are in the Net Frameworks 2.0 forward to 4.0 via Microsoft Windows Update in so-called “Security Updates” in which Microsoft did a very good job of hiding the keys but did not ID them by NSA program name. To find them one has only to type NSA.
The checks of all of their “program” names show a clean registry. See….Microsoft gave the NSA blacket access to security keys.
Zuckerberg should shut down FaceBook for a few days in protest. When people log on they will find an explanation of why, and a contact information for all government representatives. If millions upon million of people complain to their representatives and commercial enterprises feel the pinch maybe the NSA etc will be pulled in like a wild dog.
That is one of the best ideas I’ve heard yet! That would be brilliant and raise awareness like no amount of news stories would.
Of course Zuckerberg’s way too big of a coward to actually do something like that.
Stop pretending that Zuckerberg is one of the good guys. He’s a neoliberal player in this game. Just like Omidyar, just like the CEOs of all these chipmakers, just like the Google people, ad nauseam.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Zuckerberg lied about calling Obby. And who cares anyway, they’re on the same page.
For the record, Obama has confirmed to the press that Zuckerberg contacted him.
Hey Mark Zuckerberg, Call Obama again! Or are you in on it? You last name means Sugar Mountain and Mark? Like the NSA’s Sugar Mountain of intel on over a billion users!
Really well done, Ryan. It would be infinitely more difficult for the forces of darkness to get away with their obfuscation and deceit if our mainstream journalists followed your lead and that of the others recently gathered here at The Intercept: shine bright light on the weasel words and don’t let them slip and slide unquestioned.
Bravo.
The concept behind the TURBINE program is interesting.
Intercepting communications and storing them in a Utah Data Center, is really an obsolete model, conceived in the era of ‘dumb’ phones and communications technology. Phones now store all this information themselves, so it is really a wasted effort to collect it all and then store it somewhere else. Why not simply install malware on all these devices that links them as nodes into a giant global database. When they receive a query with the appropriate code, each of these devices searches within its own repository of information and forwards any seemingly relevant data.
So mass surveillance (which can be defeated by encryption) is no longer necessary; the individual nodes in this network simply respond directly to targeted queries (e.g. send the list of names and a one paragraph biographical summary of all people who have communicated with ‘x’ during the past 30 days).
Such a system can also access far more than communications data, as more and more devices become smart (cars, appliances, even eye glasses). Everyone in the world becomes a spy, in the sense that what they are seeing or hearing can at any time be routed directly to one of the intelligence agencies for analysis.
The legal framework to deal with the issues involved simply doesn’t exist. And the Snowden documents are revealing that in absence of constraints, these agencies simply reach for everything. And what about companies such as Google? They already send automatic updates to your devices, with new patches, aps and other instructions. Is there any legal framework that would prevent them issuing queries to your devices?
If you query too long into the Google, the Google will query back into you.
The Utah Data Center can become very useful if all the images of traffic cams, security cams, satellite cams, webcams and every other conceivable type of cam could be collected, stored and then run through face and gait recognition software, such that every person could be tracked till he or she starts to develop terrorist tendencies. The Malaysian plane incident shows that if you are savvy enough you can still evade detection – at least for a while – with the given levels of surveillance, so obviously NSA feels the need to plug that gap.
But a smart security camera will use an algorithm to process facial features which will create a digital key which is unique to any particular individual. The query to the camera will simply request the times that a person matching a particular digital key was recorded. The camera can provide this information without itself storing the identify of any particular individual. So there is no need to store a huge volume of data in Utah.
I’m not in the software business – such a system may already exist, or at least be patented – even if it is not yet widely implemented. Also, it might not use facial features; I have read that each persons walking gait is a strong identifier. So there may be a number of different matching algorithms. It might also be cross-correlated with phone locating or other data. But the obvious efficiency of this system means it will be adopted in the future.
“Phones now store all this information themselves, so it is really a wasted effort to collect it all and then store it somewhere else. Why not simply install malware on all these devices that links them as nodes into a giant global database.”
You’ll be missing all the updated data and deletions. It’s best to collect every transaction as it happens.
Watching (and making a copy of) everything is good.
Owning everything is better.
Yes, if you “own” the personal devices, there’s nothing you can’t do. But if you want to own all the data, you’d better collect it as soon as you can.
For example, using an “implant” to read the browsing history from local storage is clearly inferior to capturing each page request as it happens (since the browsing history can be deleted or corrupted, or the device can be disabled or discarded…) The only way to be sure of getting all the data is to see it all and save it as soon as it’s seen.
Great analysis and parsing of the language of NSA denials.
FYI, there’s a small typo in the sixth paragraph where you write “on target’s computers”. Since “computers” is plural, I assume you are referring to more than one target, and you should therefore say “on targets’ computers” with the apostrophe after the “s”
or just put “on a target’s computer”
Awesome job of reporting something that desperately needs light shed on it. Just a question though-wouldn’t this story have more impact if it came out on a monday instead of the weekend when all the TV news outlets will have their second string working?
Keep it coming, Intercept. We need to be, to feel emboldened to act with clarity and purpose. I can’t thank you all enough without getting corny. You are the genuine article, stellar agents of change.
This is a good follow up article, thanks Ryan. I’m glad to see the Intercept are starting to publish more than an article every other day.
I don’t see what the NSA hope to achieve by denying indisputable evidence. When more evidence is produced they will once again use secrecy acts to justify their previous fabrications. Their credibility – what’s left of it – is going down the toilet.
@nojokes – thanks. The stories from the Snowden documents that we are working on take a lot of time to hammer down, hence the sporadic publishing since we launched. But I think you’ll find that in the coming weeks and months the output on the site will increase as we bring on board new writers and turn to various other subjects. We’re really just at the very beginning with The Intercept. Lots more to come.
Ryan, the sleepy world is waiting to be awakened. If we look around we don’t have a lot of time. The psychopaths are on the warpath. Awakening the common man/woman is essential to our survival. Every awakened man and woman needs to take action now to protect our children and grandchildren from these out-of-control-bio-robots who only follow orders from their masters-of-control-and-domination-of humanity, their slaves. It is time to face the monster and eliminate its influence over our humanity. May we all find our free will, determination and courage to take all the needed actions to liberate humanity from these interlopers.
Ryan, the sleepy world is waiting to be awakened. If we look around we don’t have a lot of time. The psychopaths are on the warpath. Awakening the common man/woman is essential to our survival. Every awakened man and woman needs to take action now to protect our children and grandchildren from these out-of-control-bio-robots who only follow orders from their masters-of-control-and-domination-of humanity, their slaves. It is time to face the monster and eliminate its influence over our humanity. May we all find our free will, determination and courage to take all the needed actions to liberate humanity from these interlopers.
I can certainly see the work that goes into those big Snowden related articles Ryan. They are incredibly thorough, and I wouldn’t expect more than one every week or so. Some of them take a week to get your head around as a reader anyway. Good luck with the new endeavor and I hope you are able to recruit all the journalists on your short-list. I’ll be back for more!
No matter how much money(zuckerberg)and power(Obama) have
They lost credibility and prestige forever .
Those really smart people will get themselves in this kind of situation?
I don’t think so.
Just to clarify the amount of money someone has or has “earned” has absolutely nothing to to with superior intelligence. I could point to any number of examples but Donald Trump jumps to mind immediately.
Maybe this is will come in a later post but I am really curious about Intel and the other chip makers. Would it not be possible to imbed into the chips that operate ALL computers back doors, mal ware and the like? If so why not do that rather than use complicated satellite implantation?
See my comment to Lyra 1 above. Dell, for one, is engaged in the VPro chip scheme that readily allows the surreptitious surveillance of a Dell manufactured laptop.
The version of the NSA statement with the annotations by their legal counsel is also interesting.
Recent media reports that allege NSA has infected millions of computers around the world with malware, and that NSA is impersonating U.S. social media or other websites, are inaccurate
Good. Any software installed by the NSA is not malware by definition. They are ‘immunizing’ these computers against attacks by hackers, not ‘infecting’ them
NSA uses its technical capabilities only to support lawful and appropriate foreign intelligence operations, all of which must be carried out in strict accordance with its authorities.
Glad you removed the mention of oversight as I asked; it’s important not to make any claims that can later be proven false.
Technical capability must be understood within the legal, policy, and operational context within which the capability must be employed.
Good. This should be added to our database of meaningless boilerplate and is approved as a response to any future queries as well.
NSA’s authorities require that its foreign intelligence operations support valid national security requirements, protect the legitimate privacy interests of all persons, and be as tailored as feasible.
Good. Keep the focus on what we should be doing, not on what we actually do. I presume this was taken from the boilerplate database? Might want to highlight that, so I don’t have to waste time reviewing stuff that’s already approved for release.
NSA does not use its technical capabilities to impersonate U.S. company websites. Nor does NSA target any user of global Internet services without appropriate legal authority. Reports of indiscriminate computer exploitation operations are simply false.
OK, now you’re getting into least untruth territory and starting to confuse even me. When you say the NSA does not use its technical capabilities, do you mean this work is done by contractors? The man in the middle attack doesn’t involve creating a fake website, just impersonating a server for web traffic routing purposes, so that part is probably OK. The ‘indiscriminate’ part is also OK; as long as you haven’t immunized every computer on the planet with NSA software, you can claim you exercised discrimination in selecting your targets.
Love it, ‘Tater. As Ryan Gallagher points out, this is likely a game of misleading word usage. Like saying reports of massive data collection are inaccurate because the NSA defines “collecting” as “looking at it”, whereas in normal English, making a copy and storing the copy would be considered collecting.
“The NSA does not use … ” most likely means “The NSA no longer uses … because a few days ago our scheme was exposed.” Did Zuckerberg ask for more money per datapoint voluntarily turned over to the NSA because recent revelations are hurting his profits?
The NSA does not impersonate U.S. company web sites? But from the careful wording it would seem that they may be impersonating the web sites of companies registered in other countries. And saying they don’t target users of the global internet without appropriate legal authority is like saying they can target anyone because there is no global legal authority. As you say, “meaningless boilerplate.”
The proven liars at NSA say what?
Considering the scope of NSA’s *true* purpose of power and global control of human behavior, It’s practically impossible to overstate the evil that is the corporate fascist’s tool known as the NSA.
Once again it upsets me having to Identify myself to comment!
That said, the pictorial of NSA and me, has an additional dark side and back door! There is computer action going on that is reading my key strokes and predicting the message and is simultaneously composing a message to be posted on sites like this immediately next to mine and directed visibly or hidden next to my post as in response! It occurs immediately without reading time lapse!
Obviously I’m a terrorist in my Govt’s mindset. Or they are bent on controlling public conversations plus!
In short, you are literally ‘terrorized’ by the NSA. They LIKE that. The most effective way to defeat evil like NSA is to refuse to be intimidated. Educated, aware plebs that speak out loud terrify the secret government more than anything else. That is why they are focused on sqashing dissent on the current corrupt and criminal government. Main stream media won’t report this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k71kOkPmjY8
I understand, completely. Anonymous speech is important.
OTOH, I find it much more upsetting that we live in a world in which so few feel comfortable identifying themselves when commenting on matters of public policy. I’d like to see many more real names around here.
Well Doug, I’ve had people at my home. And people that have threatened me on sites. And some that have said things like on what corner it would happen. I’ve had computers destroyed. I’ve spent a great deal of money repairing computers. And I have been threatened by Govt Officers and denied access to Our Courts! So I understand why soo many look to be anonymous. In the past I have had others steal and post using my identifier galljdaj. And I identify them back as liars and thieves. Plus I usually can I identify them, and prove it to our fellow users. However that has disappeared under the newer sites. There are many additional problems with all sites today, I use almost none because Our Govt Interferences.
I’ve attempted to have identical computers custom made, and was told, no, you could have me arrested, and/or you could have me arrested if I did. So I use alternate E, and G. And C is what I use here. I will make my own computer without violating the govt’s law!
galljdaj>>I have had computers distroyed by them as well…And denied access to attornies, court etc…threatened, slandered, harassed, abused…please write back, or call me at 615-426-8020. Den
galljdaj…you really should call me, as it seems they are on me same as you…615-426-8020. I can help.
From El Reg:
This just in
“FACEBOOK TO BUY NSA”
“We’ll show them how to do it,” says Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg.
Mark Zuckerberg must now speak out, and encourage the biggest ever viral marketing campaign across Facebook, with every single Facebook user signing a petition with their comments, and he should encourage everyone to come to read the truth on The Intercept.
The NSA can mislead the public because our Governments are able to control the mainstream media, and they have the power to get their version of events published almost simultaneously across multiple online news, and television news channels. The Intercept has today, proved that they have lied again, and through their deceitful and carefully worded statement they have misled the public.. So iIt is now even more important that everyone gets to know that they have done this. Mark Zuckerberg has to publicize this again on his Facebook, and to express his feelings about this latest deceit across the media. We must show them that they can no longer get away with telling lies through their control and manipulation of the news. Our Governments, and the elite they work for can no longer be allowed to manipulate, withhold or censor the truth.
The NSA probably subcontracts this kind of activity in order to be able to issue these denials.
Great repoertimg
Thank you so much for getting the truth to us in the US. Don’t come here, we need you working!
So, let’s get this straight. In order to provide context for the document above, when you were rebuffed by the NSA you turned to other documents for which you have no context to provide context for this one? Really? Is this what journalism has come to?
How would you reaonably understand the documents considering their explicit content, overall stated goals and history of lying? Would you prefer James Clapper himself deny the facts?
Want to bet your firstborn that they don’t have documentation to back this up? The NSA has been betting on that and they have lost every single bet thus far.
Milt, if they published every scrap of paper in their possession, folks who do not wish to understand, would still not understand. Comprende? Milt, is the earth round yet?
What should “context” consist of, in your view? Concretely. I’m not sure you even understand the term.
What sort of context would explain away the phrase “quantum pretends to be the Facebook server”?
Milt, a single NSA secret document may not, by itself, provide your required level of context.
In totality, multiple secret NSA documents that are consistent with each other can (and do) provide sufficient proof of a single document. The single document that shows Facebook users being targeted for installation of government malware passes my consistency checking. Before reaching this conclusion, I read and analyzed the article and all twelve of the included documents, …
Before Mark Zuckerberg called Obama, I believe he and his technical team reached the same frightening conclusion that The Intercept journalists reached before publishing the Malware article, a conclusion that I also reached after analyzing, for consistency, the article documents. Do you really believe that Mark would call and lecture Obama based on just a “hunch” that the article was accurate? You’re kidding me!
^^^ an amazing point
Word to the wise – the government will use the same flagrant lies and word games in court, and they’ll get away with it too.
(Glenn, don’t come back anytime soon!)
Ditto. Don’t come back.
At my age, I don’t want to be beaten, arrested, and jailed while peacefully protesting your incarceration.
Again..good job..
Excellent job in fact…as is obvious..
BUT…Of Course..Nothing..N-o-t-h-i-n-g…will even Begin to Change…until the American “Citizens” (in name only) accept Responsibility for their Freedom and use the Citizens Nuclear Option;
NON-PAYMENT!
I’m not talking about “Tea Party” bs..(as the TP does not utilize non-payment as their namesake did) but rather ..for example;
KNOW the Details of your “regional” “Fusion Center” and MAKE those details KNOWN to Others and then?
BOYCOTT Every….E-v-e-r-y…Single “Supplier” or “Contractor” that does business with the Fascist Surveillance Hub in your area.
They Buy Everything from Office Supplies to Shoelaces and those are 100% Corporate Or Local “Contracts” and you can boycott them.
If even 10% of the American Public undertook a Solidarity Style Boycott of BOTH Taxes AND “Products and Services” it is simply IRREFUTABLE that Change would be almost immediate and radical.
Money is the Mortal Fatal Flaw in the Corporate Fascist “Transition”. This is not “Nazism” or “Communism” or any other “Ideology”…”Our” fascism is taking the form of the most vicious ever witnessed by Mankind…PURE savage greed for Power and Wealth.
And the “Program”…the NSA/FBI/CIA et al Federal Bureaucratic/Corporate Partner Agenda “This Time” is this:
“Control, Coercion And Mass Surveillance FOR PROFIT!”
Period!
Either stop paying or simply accept that no amount of “Words”..no amount of “Marches”…or “Protests” (of a non-financial nature)..no amount of “Petitions” (The most useless form of outrage) will even BEGIN to dent the Fanaticism and pure rabid greed for power and wealth that EVERY single individual involved..Possesses as practically a Default “Hiring Survey”…”Quality”.
These people are OBVIOUSLY NOT LISTENING!
Snowden? Manning? Whats that? “000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.1%”
Good luck with those odds.
Either accept that NONE of this CAN…EVER…Occur in a Vacuum..and that it is YOU who are Financing LITERALLY 100% of the cost of the destruction of your own freedom…or “Get Off The Pot”.
How many of you even know “Where” your Regional Corporate Fascist Surveillance and Coercion/Control Hub (Fusion Center) is?
I bet its literally less than 1 in a million.
So fact is? You really..actually…Don’t care.
Not enough to actually “Be Inconvenienced” by “Having to” not pay….”Gall…”.
Nope.
This is happening not just because Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely..which Twas Ever Thus…but rather because Apathy..Hypocrisy..Denial and Rationalization..Fear and “Refusal To Be Inconvenienced” have created a “Perfect Growth Climate” for “Friendly Fascism”.
Oh..we’re “Just Watching Everything..thats all..no ‘Camps’ (yet)…no Checkpoints or Roadblocks..so Gall whats your problem? Are you a Terrorist or something? This is just a ‘Balance’ Between Rights and Security…thats all…nothing more…no big deal…but just don’t ever try to do ANYTHING we don’t like…OR ELSE..”.
And in America..none of the “Revenue Stream” not one single dollar “Comes From Without”…its 100% Financed by the Prisoners themselves.
Its really amazingly Elegant actually..the “Perfect Form” of Fascism.
Continued Payment = Approval Of Policy Or Product!
You pay? You Approve!
@ectoendomezo: good points. your
passion is admirable. may you infect
many. :)
Bravo! Just like all environmental problems starts with population numbers, the power of the NSA (and the government in general) comes from the folks who fund it (you and me). We need to decide whether we want to be civilized, or just enjoy the techno benefits of “civilization”.
It is obvious that the “War on Terror” has morphed into The War of American’s citizens against JCOH/NSA/CIA/FBI/Citizens/United/DEA/PRISM, et al. Then go after the complex in Utah where our every electronic is stored. A commenter earlier suggested that he was seemingly “too busy” to organize, which is perfectly understandable. But as Bill McKibben pointed out in a speech once that there IS a large cadre of people with plenty of time to testify: The retired (many un-wilingly) and the recent College grads dismayed by their inability to find a job with decent compensation or any job at all.
So it seems that the only way to get Federal/State/Local politicians attention is ultimately to get
feet on the street, and lots of them. I watched the impact that this had on Lyndon Johnson and
more so on Richard Nixon. I don’t know if Barack has a soul but I think Michelle and the Kids do. It’s a holdover from the 60’s/70’s but the Moral Monday events are apparently making a dent. As far as reigning in the NSA, it is already too far out of control for that. It appears Citizens’ data is being shared with the Corporatocracy. I see the “Big 3″ Credit Bureaus either pulling data from the NSA or the NSA replacing the Credit Bureaus. Those DBs will be made up of a “Life Profile” on every American that will include not just financial data, but Criminal Record including peaceful demonstrations, Race, Gender, Religion, Education-GPA, Known Associates and Family Background. This data will be used to make hiring decisions, College Admissions, and Safety Net Eligibility,Even if the entire Utah Site is powered down, there is another site somewhere that fully backs up Utah and every database “write” is mirrored there.My biggest fear has always been the thought of Wall Street, Big Banksters, HR Departments and all that are willing to pay the NSA for the data or agree to data trades. The fees charged to access the data will be used to self-fund the NSA. Notice that I used the word “fee” rather than “tax”, the RWNJs favorite way to raise money without raising taxes. Keep on Roclin’ in the Free World.
The NSA is a colander posing as a bucket.
Stories like this are driving people like Ruppersberger to propose wallpapering over the holes.
But the clarity of evidence and argument here, and among a wide array of other reporteurs, seems to be putting the establishment very much on the defensive.
It would be hugely affirming to see some new and defensible rights come out of this.
article again shows the significance of documents
US govnt says it classified 92 million documents last year
this might be a low number
with all this secrecy, a lone whistle blower, fighting the government and the media, has a limited chance to be heard
this story shows that NSA still trying to delay what is happening
Does the NSA target those who may refer to prior and current members of government as ‘War Criminals’, or those who have made revolutionist statements against the government on various social media and media comments sections? Is this something those who behave that way need to be concerned about?
Music for the NSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jclqrdZ-Os
Best ever? :-)
The NSA actually IS being transparent – transparent liars. No one believes a single word they say about anything, but they maintain such a dim view of the public that they actually believe they’re fooling us. So that makes them transparent idiots too. What a waste of money and oxygen.
Yes lol everyone can see through them, and they are liars. I guess that is their understanding of the word transparency. As for the word accountability, that’s not even in their dictionary !
Hmm. Why does the metaphor of cockroach immediately come to mind?
Does the job description of the NSA’s communications P/R positions include “must be expert in mealy mouthed subterfuge?”
Let`s play UNO?
Newt Gingrich ? @newtgingrich
What is the global internet community that Obama wants to turn the internet over to? This risks foreign dictatorships defining the internet.
@keller: I did see that the U. S. was planning on relinquishing control of that agency that issues domain names and such. The article I saw said this had been talked about for some time.
Are there some techhies who can talk about the implications of this – or maybe it rates an article by Intercept staff.
Globalize = Privatize = End of Free Speech (implication 1)
Globalize = UNO = a glorious mess (implication 2)
Globalize = Chaos = the winner takes it all (implication 3)
Globalize = US = ? (implication 4)
Globalize = Creativity (Nonsense)
An Intercept article is definitive a good idea.