Across the world, people who work as system administrators keep computer networks in order – and this has turned them into unwitting targets of the National Security Agency for simply doing their jobs. According to a secret document provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the agency tracks down the private email and Facebook accounts of system administrators (or sys admins, as they are often called), before hacking their computers to gain access to the networks they control.
The document consists of several posts – one of them is titled “I hunt sys admins” – that were published in 2012 on an internal discussion board hosted on the agency’s classified servers. They were written by an NSA official involved in the agency’s effort to break into foreign network routers, the devices that connect computer networks and transport data across the Internet. By infiltrating the computers of system administrators who work for foreign phone and Internet companies, the NSA can gain access to the calls and emails that flow over their networks.
The classified posts reveal how the NSA official aspired to create a database that would function as an international hit list of sys admins to potentially target. Yet the document makes clear that the admins are not suspected of any criminal activity – they are targeted only because they control access to networks the agency wants to infiltrate. “Who better to target than the person that already has the ‘keys to the kingdom’?” one of the posts says.
The NSA wants more than just passwords. The document includes a list of other data that can be harvested from computers belonging to sys admins, including network maps, customer lists, business correspondence and, the author jokes, “pictures of cats in funny poses with amusing captions.” The posts, boastful and casual in tone, contain hacker jargon (pwn, skillz, zomg, internetz) and are punctuated with expressions of mischief. “Current mood: devious,” reads one, while another signs off, “Current mood: scheming.”
The author of the posts, whose name is being withheld by The Intercept, is a network specialist in the agency’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, according to other NSA documents. The same author wrote secret presentations related to the NSA’s controversial program to identify users of the Tor browser – a privacy-enhancing tool that allows people to browse the Internet anonymously. The network specialist, who served as a private contractor prior to joining the NSA, shows little respect for hackers who do not work for the government. One post expresses disdain for the quality of presentations at Blackhat and Defcon, the computer world’s premier security and hacker conferences:
It is unclear how precise the NSA’s hacking attacks are or how the agency ensures that it excludes Americans from the intrusions. The author explains in one post that the NSA scours the Internet to find people it deems “probable” administrators, suggesting a lack of certainty in the process and implying that the wrong person could be targeted. It is illegal for the NSA to deliberately target Americans for surveillance without explicit prior authorization. But the employee’s posts make no mention of any measures that might be taken to prevent hacking the computers of Americans who work as sys admins for foreign networks. Without such measures, Americans who work on such networks could potentially fall victim to an NSA infiltration attempt.
The NSA declined to answer questions about its efforts to hack system administrators or explain how it ensures Americans are not mistakenly targeted. Agency spokeswoman Vanee’ Vines said in an email statement: “A key part of the protections that apply to both U.S. persons and citizens of other countries is the mandate that information be in support of a valid foreign intelligence requirement, and comply with U.S. Attorney General-approved procedures to protect privacy rights.”
As The Intercept revealed last week, clandestine hacking has become central to the NSA’s mission in the past decade. The agency is working to aggressively scale its ability to break into computers to perform what it calls “computer network exploitation,” or CNE: the collection of intelligence from covertly infiltrated computer systems. Hacking into the computers of sys admins is particularly controversial because unlike conventional targets – people who are regarded as threats – sys admins are not suspected of any wrongdoing.
In a post calling sys admins “a means to an end,” the NSA employee writes, “Up front, sys admins generally are not my end target. My end target is the extremist/terrorist or government official that happens to be using the network some admin takes care of.”
The first step, according to the posts, is to collect IP addresses that are believed to be linked to a network’s sys admin. An IP address is a series of numbers allocated to every computer that connects to the Internet. Using this identifier, the NSA can then run an IP address through the vast amount of signals intelligence data, or SIGINT, that it collects every day, trying to match the IP address to personal accounts.
“What we’d really like is a personal webmail or Facebook account to target,” one of the posts explains, presumably because, whereas IP addresses can be shared by multiple people, “alternative selectors” like a webmail or Facebook account can be linked to a particular target. You can “dumpster-dive for alternate selectors in the big SIGINT trash can” the author suggests. Or “pull out your wicked Google-fu” (slang for efficient Googling) to search for any “official and non-official e-mails” that the targets may have posted online.
Once the agency believes it has identified a sys admin’s personal accounts, according to the posts, it can target them with its so-called QUANTUM hacking techniques. The Snowden files reveal that the QUANTUM methods have been used to secretly inject surveillance malware into a Facebook page by sending malicious NSA data packets that appear to originate from a genuine Facebook server. This method tricks a target’s computer into accepting the malicious packets, allowing the NSA to infect the targeted computer with a malware “implant” and gain unfettered access to the data stored on its hard drive.
“Just pull those selectors, queue them up for QUANTUM, and proceed with the pwnage,” the author of the posts writes. (“Pwnage,” short for “pure ownage,” is gamer-speak for defeating opponents.) The author adds, triumphantly, “Yay! /throws confetti in the air.”
In one case, these tactics were used by the NSA’s British counterpart, Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, to infiltrate the Belgian telecommunications company Belgacom. As Der Speigel revealed last year, Belgacom’s network engineers were targeted by GCHQ in a QUANTUM mission named “Operation Socialist” – with the British agency hacking into the company’s systems in an effort to monitor smartphones.
While targeting innocent sys admins may be surprising on its own, the “hunt sys admins” document reveals how the NSA network specialist secretly discussed building a “master list” of sys admins across the world, which would enable an attack to be initiated on one of them the moment their network was thought to be used by a person of interest. One post outlines how this process would make it easier for the NSA’s specialist hacking unit, Tailored Access Operations (TAO), to infiltrate networks and begin collecting, or “tasking,” data:
Aside from offering up thoughts on covert hacking tactics, the author of these posts also provides a glimpse into internal employee complaints at the NSA. The posts describe how the agency’s spies gripe about having “dismal infrastructure” and a “Big Data Problem” because of the massive volume of information being collected by NSA surveillance systems. For the author, however, the vast data troves are actually something to be enthusiastic about.
“Our ability to pull bits out of random places of the Internet, bring them back to the mother-base to evaluate and build intelligence off of is just plain awesome!” the author writes. “One of the coolest things about it is how much data we have at our fingertips.”
Micah Lee contributed to this report.
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I seldom comment, however I read a few of the comments here Inside the NSA’s Secret Efforts to Hunt and Hack System Administrators. I do have 2 questions for you if you do not mind. Could it be simply me or does it appear like some of the responses appear like they are coming from brain dead people? :-P And, if you are posting on additional places, I’d like to keep up with anything fresh you have to post. Could you post a list of the complete urls of your public pages like your twitter feed, Facebook page or linkedin profile?
Well, today we finally have what purports to be some actual rules that find targets, and what should be smack in the middle of them but a target for whomever happens to visit linuxjournal.com. Not a notable hangout for bad guys, but definitely a place where one might find sysadmins.
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_pri.html
As a Canadian, I am very disturbed how this article and even the EFF posts are centered on the Horror that they may do this to Americans. But, its ok to do it to Canadians? Or, hmmm, the rest of humanity? There is a deep thread of this in most posts about the abominable behavior of your NSA, not a “we should be ashamed” or “people have rights” but OM*G they might stumble over an American’s data. This mindset is EXACTLY what allowed this situation to evolve!
America is the largest dictatorship in the world, with massive censorship, a close to totally brainwashed-on-propaganda-population, imprisonment of political undesirables and mass murder and atrocities around the world as a result. All the wile they are accusing China and other countries for the same crimes.
(Makes you wonder if US leaders knows what “hypocrite” is in Chinese…)
When we are now starting to hear about American imprisonment camps, (regular Guantanamos on US-mainland for political dissidents), and all the “evidence” regarding 9/11, Irak and Afg. have been disclosed as total lies (and admitted as such!), not to MENTION the Patriot Act, its all to clear to anyone, at least outside the US, what a totalitarian economical dictatorship the US have become.
Now, I know the resentment against the US is quite localized, mainly the world outside US-borders, but at some point even US-leaders must realize America will soon be treated by the world as a bandit state, isolated from business and diplomatic connections.
The only way the world can be free is to hit the economic entities which are controlling the US, its senators and president.
I’ve been a SysAdmin for 25-yrs.+ — it would sure be helpful to see that list and find out if I was on it.
About once every 2-weeks, I get a call from an English company (GCHQ?) insisting that they have some new article that I just MUST read…
Spying has been going on for a long time – especially by the private sector – what really is disappointing is the fact that the media seems to totally ignore the real threat to all of us – SECRET COURTS!
Courts of justice are, by their very nature, open to ALL, especially in a supposed democracy! Secret courts, in a democracy, is the real outrage the NSA has spawned, much worse than its spying! When courts become secretive, justice goes out the window!
The secret court you mention is the FISA court system. It has been around since the 1970’s. The difference now is that they are hearing cases involving Americans without foreign ties. This has come about since the Patriot Act.
Fascinating article, but should it have been published? Spying is not a pretty business and as a means to an end, this was a pretty effective strategy. Of course, I would not volunteer for this, however if I had to choose (I’m not saying this is how it happened) between this being public and Stuxnet successfully delaying a country’s nuclear weapon potential, I think I’d have to go for Stuxnet. There are lots of evil tradeoffs in the world. I have no idea how losing this vector impacts things we truly have business altering/stopping vs. how much of it is used just to steal industrial information. The latter is not, in my opinion, what should be happening and the fact that it is probably had a lot to do with the decision to publish this.
These NSA ‘hackers’ don’t really have any substantive talent to penetrate systems. The picture that’s being reveled is just a group of scared, power hungry schemers who happen to have unlimited government resources at their disposal.
Agreed.
One complains that they’re disapointed with the DefCon conference, then they proceed to use rudimentary networking techniques & exploits on a much larger platform.
Stuxnet and Conficker were impressive.
IMO, if we had pinned those to the NSA, it would have been more of a revelation than what has been released so far.
I’m guessing this is a must from now on to all sys admins? Of course, by no means a complete solution but just as a starting point. Redundancy and the strongest crypto built into and on top of it.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
through part 4.
I have little hope that the political and legal landscape will change enough, but we can dream. More importantly, I think we the people need to protect ourselves. Buy cryptophones/blackphones, use Tor and ixquick.com for searching etc etc. Reclaim your privacy. I hope Intercept will publish articles on new privacy tech as it emerges (where are the secure laptops ‘ready to use’ like a Blackphone?). The privacy industry should grow, and if millions of people go down this route, the ‘red flag’ concerns about using Tor etc become irrelevant. Make it expensive for NSA and they will have to change strategy. Personally, I’m not waiting for President Unabomber to do anything useful!
This government makes it’s own rules as it needs them.They never went to the courts for permission to go through my house.While I layd in bed anesthisized , they went through everything I had and sadly , they did not find much.My list of girlfriends is about all. Look at my comments in the guardian. John Bertotto
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> The network specialist, who served as a private contractor prior to joining the NSA, shows little respect for hackers who do not work for the government.
These NSA snitching druids and goons are some smart @sses!
> “A key part of the protections that apply to both U.S. persons and citizens of other countries is the mandate that information be in support of a valid foreign intelligence requirement, and comply with U.S. Attorney General-approved procedures to protect privacy rights.”
blah, blah, blah, … U.S. government official says
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C
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The internet isn’t “inter” anymore.. I’ll never trust it again. The nsa/corporate government have ruined it in their effort to control everyone. They win… we lose.
John, No, can’t trust. But, know we’re supposed to BE the government. Many, many people are working together to make that be the case again. Overturning Citizens United and McCutcheon v. FEC bills are passed in 16 states, in the works in more (CA!+). Thinking capitalism is synonymous with Democracy is wrong, capitalism needs constant regulation or wa-lah! Corporatocracy. Or oligarchy as we have now, with world-wide corporate heads like Koch setting up dynasties for their own people. Please help us. Everyone is needed. Young Turks have Wolf Pack for this. We can make a difference — Don’t despair. Thanks!
The NSA is a gay navy Borg ship. These guys are navy/military gays. We, the People, should surround their military-industrial-prison complex and pull the plug. Simply disconnect the electrical and watch them bufu in the dark.
I use an Amiga from 1991. Bring it on, NSA!
If it’s an Amiga 1000, open the case and you’ll see NSA cat prints embossed in the plastic. :)
In terms of privacy and security, it seems the the Breadcrumbs Concept is the way to go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnYDhUTuHcg
The so called “Conspiracy Theorists” that deal with government based conspiracys like those Jesse Venture has investigated in his popular “Conspiracy Thoery” TV show have for many years been trying to warn all that the government and its spy agencies was blantantly violating American civil libertys. constitutional rights and just outright breaking the law. Now that this has all been revealed to be true isn’t it time to question the so called “debunking” community and find out what else they lied about having had debunked?
The SNowden leaks have shown us that an organized conspiracy at the highest levels in government is not impossible and that its just the tip of the problem. Who knows what else we have traditionally believed was ‘conspiracy theory” nonsense ins in fact true?
Before you dismiss concerns about Flouridation, Vaccinations and Carbon Taxes as the solution to supposed man-caused climate change you should remeber that the notion of the Feds spying on all our private stuff was just a few years agoi considered ridicolous conspiracy theory.
Mission Accomplished!
This is what you call a logical fallacy. Climate science, vaccinations, fluoridation are all *science*, as in the results are testable and verifiable. Allegations of spying are not science and require proof, I am open to the idea that you are right, but the suggestions you gave all would require a large amount of verifiable proof to overcome the vast preponderance of evidence in support of those medical and climate sciences. Vaccinations are a good thing, and if you don’t get your kids vaccinated, you’re a moron. They’ve been proven safe since before the 3 letter organizations have even been around. Fluoridation does have some risks if done too heavily, and it’s a balancing act to make sure that care is taken(just like firearms can be dangerous if used improperly). Climate science denial requires an earth-shatteringly large amount of denial, and the fact that you’re on the side of the oil companies and the NSA hawks should tell you just how wrong you are.
All corporate CEOs should ensure their CIOs ban/block all facebook (and other social media) from their networks.
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That does not solve the problem described above… AT ALL.
That does not solve the probl described above..,AT ALL
give us the names.
it’s the nsa’s job not to give us their names.
@barncat
You are far too kind. I hope you had a great weekend.
“and, the author jokes, “pictures of cats in funny poses with amusing captions.” Can only imagine what else :0
NSA “friends” everyone; No request made as they just do it!
I was wondering what does “(U)” mean?… Anyone?
Each paragraph is marked with its security classification. U stands for unclassified, FOUO means for official use only.
I know it may seem a little antiquated in this day and age, but in my opinion using the good olé USPS to communicate with each other is the best way to keep the government’s nose out of America’s lives
A friend and I were discussing going back to snail mail recently. I wouldn’t be surprised if the obsessive tyrants don’t have the ability to scan letters without opening them.
Do you know anything about carrier pigeons?
I read an article a short while ago that says in fact, the USPS does scan the outside of EVERY letter that they process. This is of course to protect us from anthrax-laced letters and the like. Or maybe just to see who writes to whom. I’m sure we all trust the government. (*irony*) I’ll try to find a link to that article…
Found it: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?hp&_r=2&pagewanted=all&
Thanks for the link to the USPS mail snooping system. I had run across a shorter version late last year. Your linked to article provided the details I wanted.
I have no doubt that the USPS is doing more than just imaging the outside of mail.
Jimmy Carter said in an interview that he sends sensitive correspondence via snail mail.
And he also said they likely spy on him and capture his data too. Especially his correspondence with foreign world leaders he still keeps in contact with.
Now we ALL know where the nasty malware is coming from – right? Everybody thinks working in the “cloud” is efficient and cool. During repairs we’ve had to toss hard drives because the malware is so invasive and reinstall fresh on new drives.
I guess this is the result of passive Microsoft, Google and others that openly announced their cooperation with NSA a few years ago… remember?
That is – no bug fix available from them to remove the nasty morphing worms. I gather the next step is to install their “magic” in the chips on the mother boards, routers etc….
As in Aldous Huxley’s book Brave New World, the public invites the cameras into their homes, in addition surveillance is ever present as cell phone microphones and camera are turned on at will; now add the legalization of pot and we then find ourselves embracing Soma – all earlier than predicted happening by – 2540. This book was on my 8th grade reading list but probably has been banned by now…
Its one thing to post on the “bathroom” wall known as the internet but another to have our treasured privacy removed by fiat.
I didn’t vote for this crowd but have to deal with the shutting down of freedom by dumb dumbs and ballot stuffing that opened the flood gates.
There are consequences for sleeping at the wheel folks.
“… the public invites the cameras into their homes, in addition surveillance is ever present as cell phone microphones and camera are turned on at will….”
Direct TV recently made all older satellite receiver boxes obsolete, claiming a “signal change”. I owned my own boxes which were over a decade old. They offered to replace them for FREE!!! I declined their ‘generous’ offer, after learning that opening theirs up to investigate their inner workings is off limits. Amazingly I have come to realize that television is not a necessity.
Finally, something good comes of Facebook. BTW, you know who uses Facebook? Your parents. It’s over.
NSA get bent… Your on the tyranny kill list, believe it
I see a lot of people on here saying “get off of facebook, get off twitter” …..I’m not playing that game. They would love nothing better than people doing that. They don’t want us to interact, they don’t want us to share information, they don’t want us to learn anything. I’m not giving them what they want…
You couldn’t be more wrong. I’m off both and, as a SysAdmin myself, I feel safer. All I’m doing from now on is reading the news, Disqus, and LinkedIn. The data mining alone on Facebook is reason enough to close down your account like I did months ago. Now that I know SysAdmins are targets I guess I’m taking this a little more serious than you.
LinkedIn is a major attack surface, it was already released in previous docs how they used Quantum to serve up LinkedIn malware
If I was trying to track down sysadmins linkedin would be much more useful than Facebook.
Add Nation of Change to that list — You’ll be glad you did. It’s just one of my favorites. And of course you read these guys!
Why do you use them to begin with? What intelligence do you gain by giving information and data to the world? You’re all hung up on ‘they’
‘They’ are not the problem, ‘you’ are!
MarieC just let me know what you share there especially on twitter — it’s worst then SMS with it limit on text length (why would you bother?) and fakebook — it’s for social disfunction and not for work related or hobby information (like a guy that seats on the toilet or eats meal and bragging about it on facebook) You are weird…
Maybe that’s the purpose of firstlook/theintercept: hiding snowden docs further than the guardian et.al. did before?
Why do you have to use your own viewer for this document? It is impossible to read this on a smartphone!
And that the NSA employs Script Kiddies rather than, security professionals, then gives them access to a whole raft of automated exploit tools running on an extremely powerful network that they can target anyone with.
If said Script Kiddie cracks a US citizen, then afterwards they just fill out the “oops it was a mistake form” and forget about it because “it’s nothing to worry about”. If Script Kiddie targets any citizen from an allied country then they don’t even have to think twice about it, just do it, run that collection of exploits against the general public who are security naive.
I wonder if the NSA can track windows 95 with a program built into the the CPU that changes the IP adress every second or less. Any suggestions?
Not sure but im still running a windows 95 … my other computer is a rolls . lol , all kidding aside i would be interested in finding out if this is possible as i still have an old computer sitting in the basement .
Just so long as the ultimate targets are foreigners, I say have at it NSA. That’s their job, to keep the President and his people informed about what EVERYONE outside the United States is saying or doing electronically. The same thing every other country’s electronic intelligence service is doing. EVERY other country’s. When a Chinese general texts his mistress, NSA reads the text. That’s good! When NSA reads the text from Michael Bloomberg to his mistress, that’s bad! See the difference. Guys like Rand Paul do, but they want to make political points, so they say they don’t.
I like to write poetry, and something about this article and discussion got me going:
“Who Are You, NSA?”
Who are you , NSA?
Are you personified by some faceless, nameless analyst,
Sitting behind that screen of digital programs
Invading our privacy
Uninvited
Unwelcomed
(Of course, invasions often are both, aren’t they)
Lurking in the shadows of our lives
Stalking some prey
Uncaring of who else might get caught in that anti-privacy dragnet
Boasting of a treasure trove of purloined data
Tell me, unnamed one,
Would you be so bold if you were dragged from the shadows and unmasked
To finally have to look directly into our eyes
Would you then find it in yourself to face the truth of your actions
Or instead, would you lie and attempt to rationalize away
What you probably would not want your family subjected to
Will you ever understand
It’s a matter of wisely using resources
It’s a matter of respect for others
It’s a matter of following both letter and spirit of law
Look in the mirror, then seek to answer the leading question
The problem is system administrators use the same laptop or system to use these social networks!
Keep work and other security concerns away from the web etirerly.
Thank you Thomas!
Anyone thinking Puckerberg left the code back door open for his buddy Soetoro?
Not a chance. He left the light on and the covers pulled back.
Get a laptop with disposable mac address chip.
Burn random mac addresses on chips and insert each time you are at internet cafe.
These people are not too smart.
MAC stands for media access control and this means the unique 48 bit hardware identifier assigned to every ethernet or wifi interface sold. These are burned into the chip by the manufacturer, you can soft configure the system to use a different MAC, but there is no way to change the burned in address for an interface. Modern computers all have integrated ethernet and wifi, so it is physically impossible to change the MAC without having another controller chip AND being able to reliably solder tiny surface mount components. This is NOT a common talent, I’ve worked on networks for 25+ years, I have seen one guy do this just once, repairing a system for data recovery.
The poster is ignorant of the basics of what a MAC address is, where it is located, and so forth. There is no such thing as a “disposable mac address chip” and one does not “burn random MAC addresses”, the most you can do is soft configure, as I mentioned above.
Use TOR or better than that use TAILS. Use those tools, understand how they work, and be mindful of your browsing habits. These 20 something punks at the NSA can’t track you if you do this right.
Use tortilla by cloudfire
While the US is busy spying on citizrns cell phones, social network accounts and email. No one is watching Russia moving into Ukraine and Latin America. If Only Obama has his Administration listening to Putins cell phone instead of Merkels he’d know someone, maybe he fears spying on an intimidating leader like Putin?
You watch too much TV. Russia is not the invader, 5 BILLION US TAX Dollars was spent to overthrow Ukraine. http://scgnews.com/washingtons-role-in-the-ukrainian-coup-how-it-may-spin-out-of-control
Anyone who uses Facebook, Twitter or any other social web site should have their head examined as they are begging to have their personal info made public.
I use an alternate name on Facebook and most other places that don’t need to know me.
That won’t help you in this situation. If I gave your IP address I can connect all your accounts together easy as pie. And the answer is also not constant change of ip, that is ridiculously impractical.
It is a tragedy our world is in the state its in right now. With war, murder, loss, and suffering, and no true leaders in control yet. There are true leaders and lets hope the world can follow them. Check out Gabriel of Urantia (http://gabrielofurantia.org/) for a look at real sanity in this strife-torn world.
The only people with Facebook accounts are the young and stupid.
The young are leaving in droves. Those others that remain are indeed apparently lacking intelligence.
Actually, most Facebook users are fogies nowadays. Facebook is DONE. Don’t be the last eejit to get out.
It’s easy to call users “stupid” but your incapability to understand why people may use it belies your own stupidity. I live internationally and travel regularly, so it provides an easy means to keep in touch with friends and family and to see what they’re getting up to.
I am also probably far safer than you on the internet; i segregate any browsing that may contain PII (personally identifiable information) in a separate liveCD operating system using a locked down browser that runs through a VPN, whilst other browsing all runs using Tails. Most people’s browsing habits are trivial enough to track using cookies (https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/dreisman/cookies-that-give-you-away-the-surveillance-implications-of-web-tracking/) and just not using facebook offers little protection. If people educated themselves about the technology the NSA’s job wouldnt be so easy. Then again just getting off facebook is far easier than educating yourself.
Before you are so blindly judgmental, realise that the real problem is the abuse of technology, not how individuals live their lives. Is it really such an evil that people choose to share their lives with people they care about?
Since the emphasis seemed to be on foreign networks I think we can rest assured that your FB posts or your really funny e-mails to your co-workers about your boss will remain confidential. I find it incredibly ironic that a community (in general) that holds hackers in high regard and even sponsors public events where they can tout their wares and gloat in nerdly supremacy get so moralist when intelligence agencies are allegedly doing not only the same things but have possibly learned how to do those things from the very people who are now so upset. BTW, you don’t think any of this will stop the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, the North Koreans from doing whatever they can to hack whatever they want including all the embarrassing emails, texts, and twitters that you have ever written or posted. One final thing: Snowden in now in Russian a country that is deeply hostile to most everything we have accomplished and stand for. Why would anybody at this point think that a document that Snowden has “released” is legitimate. It is certainly within the realm of possibility that he is working closely with the KGB offspring to create and ‘release’ a lot of misinformation. You don’t think he is just sitting around watching Netflix all day or shopping at the Moscow Mall do you? Get real, they’ve got him bottled up as tight as a sweater on an overweight pug and I’d be surprised if they ever let him out.
Nota bene: “Snowden’s a Weasel@ = “A Pox on Snowden” (below). A case here of split personality, or incipient multiple personality disorder?
It’s certainly within the realm of possibility that you’re paranoid, and that nothing you say is falsifiable, and therefore nothing you say is interesting or relevant.
Snowden has accomplished more by the age of 30 than you will accomplish in your entire life.
That was also true of William Henry McCarthy, Jr., alias Billy the Kid, so that’s not saying much.
Is USA trying to break into Russia, China etc systems?. Sure they are. Are Russia, China etc trying to break into western systems?. Sure they are.
Is USA trying to break into Belgian systems? Yes. Is Belgium trying to break into USA systems? No.
Sure the direct target is not Belgian systems, just a mean, but..
If your neighbor catches you making copies of the keys of his home.. just in case someday you need to enter in his house quickly. Don’t expect him to invite you again.
Belgium is not a foe, it is an ally, or used to be an ally. Next time USA ask information to Begium, shouldn’t expect too much collaboration. Probably will have to use some kind of threats, blackmail, retalations etc
Since the emphasis seemed to be on foreign networks I think we can rest assured that your FB posts or your really funny e-mails to your co-workers about your boss will remain confidential. I find it incredibly ironic that a community (in general) that holds hackers in high regard and even sponsors public events where they can tout their wares and gloat in nerdly supremacy get so moralist when intelligence agencies are allegedly doing not only the same things but have possibly learned how to do those things from the very people who are now so upset. BTW, you don’t think any of this will stop the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, the North Koreans from doing whatever they can to hack whatever they want including all the embarrassing emails, texts, and twitters that you have ever written or posted. One final thing: Snowden in now in Russian a country that is deeply hostile to most everything we have accomplished and stand for. Why would anybody at this point think that a document that Snowden has “released” is legitimate. It is certainly within the realm of possibility that he is working closely with the KGB offspring to create and ‘release’ a lot of misinformation. You don’t think he is just sitting around watching Netflix all day or shopping at the Moscow Mall do you? Get real, they’ve got him bottled up as tight as a sweater on an overweight pug and I’d be surprised if they ever let him out.
It continues to amaze me that some people are as dumb as a rock.
It is absolutely not allowed for a sysadmin to use a Company computer for things like Facebook. The truth is that sysadmins are usually undereducated and arrogant. That’s why they are targets.
I have administered large computer systems myself when we had to fire the latest sysadmin for such behaviour. It was a revolving door. An example of what sysadmins do is use their superuser privileges to read employees’ email.
They are targets because they are not doing their jobs.
They are targets because they are not doing their jobs.
It doesn’t fucking matter
My experience accumulated in a 40-year IT career (I’m retired) is the opposite of yours. The sysadmins that I knew and received assistance from were knowledgeable, conscientious, and helpful.
I’m a sysadmin and where I work recently opened up access to facebook and youtube FROM work…. Go figure.
Check out the last 30 seconds of 2, then watch the whole thing:
Obama and Rockefeller 1
http://youtu.be/K6C24GpgQTQ
Obama and Rockefeller 2
http://youtu.be/M8vFSqYXJ8U
Listen to the last 3 minutes and ask why NOT A WORD FROM THE UN:
youtube: The Rothschilds Exposed 3/3
http://youtu.be/47WM2BhklmM
…and please share.
Understand the problem and your already on your way to fixing it.
youtube: Slave Queen
http://youtu.be/vrsfll_QLUw
by TruthNeverTold
So when will we demand the NSA answer so many questions about current and past events? Isn’t it logical NSA has extensive communications on all events from 911 to Sandy Hook massacre?
Or is the NSA a toy only for the globalist elites that is paid for by US taxpayers?
What is NSA hiding about this:
Google:
Video: National School Safety Expert: Sandy Hook shooting was a fraud
Posted on February 19, 2014 by Carl Herman
“The FBI classified the report on Sandy Hook. This has never been done before, and indicates a cover-up of all the evidence that this was a staged event.”
“Mr. Halbig has the professional expertise to conclude the official story is impossible, and to demand arrests in order for the public to have the truth.”
Contact MSM and your local news channel, ask them why they’re avoiding this:
School Safety Expert Threatened for Questioning Official Narrative
http://youtu.be/rEfW9FvLyAg
-911
-Oklahoma City Bombing
-Boston bombing
-etc.
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> when will we demand the NSA answer so many questions about current and past events? Isn’t it logical NSA has extensive communications on all events from 911 to Sandy Hook massacre? Or is the NSA a toy only for the globalist elites
It shouldn’t be a toy for ANYBODY. Yeah, tape-recording all your phone calls is expedient. That’s the whole point. There are certain things the government isn’t allowed to do. Another is beat you with rubber hoses to make you confess if they know you’re guilty. That’s expedient, too.
Sure, let the NSA solve child kidnappings. Then adult kidnappings, of course. Then murders. They’re just as bad, right? Then bank robberies, gas station holdups, toll-booth runners, child-support payment evaders, and kids who skip school.
And even THAT’S assuming they don’t use this power to spy on their political opponents.
NO. There are things the government shouldn’t be allowed to do to its citizens, period. That’s what the constitution is for.
–faye kane girl brain
The Stasi would be proud and envious of the tools available today and how they can be used to spy on anyone, anytime, for any reason, or no reason at all..
Accepting Secrecy
1) The less we understand something, the more we will accept that it should be secret.
-said once more-
Knowledge destroys secrets.
When fighting secrecy you need to have knowledge and expertise in house. Your journalism will be short changed without it. Don’t neglect the tech.
2) If we view something as a munition, we will more readily accept that it should be secret.
We should not see computers and the internet as munitions. Just as we should not see food as munitions. If we see food as munitions we will poison grain stocks, salt fields, and classify basic foods safety procedures as top secret. We will redact information about hand washing because it will help our enemies. Once we accept food as munitions, all this stuff actually makes perfect sense from a military point of view.
-We must develop the Napoleon before he develops Beef Wellington.-
It is also completely insane and immoral.
Computers and food are not munitions. Just because they can be used as munitions does not mean that we have to treat them as such.
One of the battles we are fighting is whether we are going to see computers and the internet as munitions or as food. Once you accept the frame that computers are munitions, all the redactions and all the secrecy make much more sense.
Once you accept the frame that computers are munitions, we are already lost to war. All that’s left is the commentary.
In summary,
Feed your mind.
“One of the battles we are fighting is whether we are going to see computers and the internet as munitions or as food. Once you accept the frame that computers are munitions, all the redactions and all the secrecy make much more sense.”
Indeed. But problem is that in times of war, everything becomes a potential weapon. Everything that can be used as a weapon will be. So, people accept the frame of computers as munitions because they’ve accepted the frame that we are at war. I don’t think we can directly decide how we are going to think about technology, it depends on how we think of ourselves as oriented towards others.
“But problem is that in times of war, everything becomes a potential weapon. Everything that can be used as a weapon will be. So, people accept the frame of computers as munitions because they’ve accepted the frame that we are at war.”
I agree. The answer is not moral war, but to end this travesty.
Orwell said the purpose of modern war is to use up the surplus of technological advance instead of distributing it to the people.
Soon we will build more robots than can be destroyed by our own tiny human hands. Permanent war as we now know it will not be enough to stave off the nightmare of scarcity’s end. We will have to build robots to destroy the other robots, and even more robots to destroy the robot destroying robots.
Technology must be a weapon that destroys itself, or else the system crashes and the world is reborn.
Surveillance is technology eating its own tail.
“I agree. The answer is not moral war, but to end this travesty.”
Yes, but it’s a tough one. I don’t believe it’s only a problem of false perception or active deception. It’s not as simple as saying the “war of terror” is a phony war, or hyped-up war. Neither of those statements is entirely true (or false), imo.
All these questions are tough ones, and increasingly I’ve been thinking that there are no complete answers, and no correct answers, to any of them. And I’m sure you’ve noticed that every answer spawns new questions. So…
Thanks for the chat. You are the proverbial gentleman and scholar, lastname. And those attributes are listed in order of importance.
Happy weekend.
Die, FB, die…
scary as all of your leaks..Good work guys..waiting for more…enjoyed last Snowden video appearance in Canada ;-)
anyway, I’m pretty sure that all govs do similiar things…Maybe that is still our (western) ability and supremacy that we still can have such discussion and discurs here on such things..while so far there are not so many “famous” whistleblowers from other countries…
use crypto my friends and be good, peace :)
MICROSOFT SAYS IT CAN AND “WILL” READ YOUR EMAILS WITHOUT A COURT ORDER
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Says-It-Can-Read-Your-Emails-without-a-Court-Order-433393.shtml
MICROSOFT SELLS YOUR INFO TO FBI; SYRIAN ELECTRONIC ARMY LEAKS THE INVOICES
http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/microsoft-sells-your-information-to-fbi.html
Oh, fun.
Why are there complaints of Russia annexing Crimea, they are merely doing it to prevent future terrorist attacks and to protect its citizens. A nation must be secure, and how could Russia be secure with turmoil next door, the end justifies the means
A tech point: Dear Mr. Gallagher and Maass, when publish you NSA documents, please include URL that not require JavaScript. JavaScript is security vulnerability in many browsers even Tor browser. Please include URL like
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1094387/i-hunt-sys-admins.pdf
Thankyou
All this is doing is eroding away the US tech industry.
Companies like Rackspace are doing great business by providing great services and by being a Swiss company so outside of the patriot act. In Europe, Asia and other parts of the world there are companies springing up and doing great business just by providing non-US email, storage and other IT services.
So as the tech industry that was a major economic contributor to the US economy moves overseas, the US economy suffers and the NSA ultimately won’t have the taxes flowing in to fund sensible information gathering services. The end result is a loss of jobs, weaker economy and depleted national security.
I just don’t see the long term sense, it really is self defeating.
You’re implying the US takes in one dollar in taxes for every dollar it spends.
If there is insufficient capital to fund the NSA, the US government will simply tack it on top of the deficit.
NSA-employees are just pawns in the big game of using the biggest military-industrial complex ever on planet Earth in order to promote the new american dream of anal-sex, drugs & rock n’roll.
This whole article is complete and utter bullshit. However, for media creativity I give +1 for the ‘QUANTUM HACKING TECHNIQUES’ which is ridiculous.
I’m seeing a good many signed changes lately. I have one particularly malicious admin that really does some crazy annoying stuff but it looks to me like some of his coworkers are defending themselves when whatever happens because of online users being harassed in ususual ways. I’m sure most of the folks are trying to do thier jobs, but some seem to get a thrill out of it. And the others don’t seem to want to be associated with one of them that has said some crazy stuff to get some nasty malware on my linux box to a windows computer on the same network. Really unbelievable stuff. I’m going to have to write a book about it I’ve got so many stories.
After years of Facebook’s relationship with NSA being common public knowledge, anyone that still uses their service is a complete idiot and deserves what they get!
You people calling yourselves sysadmins are actually wanna be jokes. Do not forget your mission and mission number one is the security of your companies and the networks you swore to protect upon hiring. Stateful packet inspecting firewalls and BANNING social networking sites can help everyone. Stop being so fretful of your precious fake social media world. It’s really not that great. Try separating yourselves from it and find you are much better without it on a human level and certainly a personal level. YOU ARE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. I promise! Remember tell your CEO’s and or GM’s you MUST buy a deep packet inspecting firewall or risk everything you protect to outsiders. Every VPN technology and even SSL’s are being compromised.
a deep packet inspection firewall… buying a false sense of security… You had me there with mission, but to base your entire security on deep packet inspection firewall… it’s Sisyphean labour. Of the shelf software and it will solve your problem… :) You are a joke.
NSA has shown contempt for Americans. People should stop using facebook, google, microsoft, skype, and verizon. Learn to use linux with proxys.
If you so called ” SysAdmins” are accessing Facebook and other data mining protocols from behind a secure network you need to find another job and a LIFE. GET OFF OF SOCIAL MEDIA idiots. It’s really that EASY.
@citsane: yes but, the scariest things about them are also their achilles heel, and that knowledge can be used to our collective advantage—right? regards
Hey, look on the bright side and stop being so negative!!! If we have nothing to hide then we have nothing to fear- and maybe they will hack in find that BS Malaysian Airline. Or maybe its a public “reaction” test to see how the public will respond to large amounts of people vanishing in the blink of an eye- afterall in order to restore order they will have to have a public proven BS-proof we have all the answers why this has happened and why ObamaCare will prevent mysterious tragedies like this in the future!
“If we have nothing to hide then we have nothing to fear” If we have noting hide then why are we being treated like criminals? Why do we have to live in the fear of not knowing where all of the data is going or is being sold to. Not to mention we have rights already in place.
Are you a moron? What do you mean by “if we have nothing to hide then we have nothing to fear?” If so, why don’t you take your computer and all your private matters/issues, including your illegal affairs with the 11-year old girl to the corridors of NSA and tell them that you have nothing to hide? Do you think that “something to hide” translates to guilt? If I hide my money does it mean I stole the money? Beef!
NSA can crack anything except mooosechelle O’s gorilla crack.
“NSA can crack anything except mooosechelle O’s gorilla crack.”
Wow! Is there anyone who still thinks the comment section is being moderated?
Nice job, NSA Datzmaname. The most brilliant proofs are always the simplest, and sometimes they are also the most crude and offensive.
And thank you, Intercept! “Let all the poisons in the mud hatch out!”
Moderation = Censorship. Let freedom ring, no matter how offensive.
Back off NSA!
Does anybody else remember when Obama said that hacking american servers would be considered an act of war? And all this time accusing filipino hackers working for the Chinese as the worst offenders. They’re not the worst. we are.
…and by “we” you mean the US government politicians and loyal government bureaucrats…… who consider us (working middleclass) their slaves/serfs/subjects
Obama is the greatest fraud perpetrated on Americans. (I am neither a Republican, or a tea-bagger)
Stop wasting your time complaining, just close the account, problem solved, and stop visiting FB web site.
BINGO , but OH NO millions of Americans are glued to this fake world of social media and can’t live without seeing their friends post pictures of the steak they just grilled. What would we do without social media! Clowns call them selves Sys admins need to wake up and stop participating in the biggest government funded data mining operation ever created. If I walked to you house and asked you to scan all your living proof documents like Drivers License , SS# card , Birth cert, you’d just let me do it . MORONS I can see real ops are going to be worth their weight in gold someday because they were smart enough to stay away from Google and Face Book. They are NOT your friends no matter what businesses or superiors you work for you need to get the hint. ENEMIES . Would you go to http://www.spywaremalware.com and install things? NO so why would you go to the biggest culprits of it. They can see everything you do. They know you better than you know yourselves. STOP
Yeah, that will solve the illegal activities of a rouge government. You think they stop there or do you simply do not care the government has been overstepping it’s mandate?
Let’s now simply target Sys Admins of NSA ;)
Like was said above; cyber-warfare is real. Look- soon the winning-est sports teams will win because they have the best IT guys. The US needs the best IT guys to win cyber and any other warfare too. I say hack away brothers!!
We also need the best soldiers in the world. So using your logic, we should let them train using our towns in live fire drills and our families as targets. Fire away brothers?
Anyone else doing what DoD federal workers in the NSA of would be in jail. So let’s put these DoD federal workers in jail.
Simple, know the email acount, know which email domain to hack. Admin has a browser connected to the Email or Fbook site, that leaves a back door open to infiltrate.
Close your browers and keep connetions cleared.
BTW, if you register on the Obama Scare site, there are (were when I tested it) TWELVE insecure servers trying to attatch to my supposedly secure connection.
ONE hidden, insecure connection and security is non existant.
It is appalling that we have commenters here who think it is OK to treat sys admins (even) in foreign countries as described here, all on the pretense that somehow this is enhancing the security of the US. How could any (mostly imaginary) security threat be big enough to justify the damage to US interests that require even a minimal level of trust? To say nothing about common decency.
Two words
Stockholm Syndrome
The Chinese People’s Liberation Army Unit# 61398 called and said “LMAO”.
this is really scary. I work with sys admins and a lot of the security knowledge i have comes from them.
The fact that they can be cracked open with QUANTUM is really worrisome. If they can hack a sys admin then what hope do the rest of us have?
Years ago, when I had just a software firewall, I observed that most of my port scans came from IP addresses in China. I blocked all the IP series that I could trace to China. I had no loss of function by doing that but I realized the magnitude of the spying at that time. It must be worse now, although I haven’t checked. It pays to act paranoid; they ARE out to get you.
Why all of this craziness about NSA infiltration of foreign sys admins? Cyberwarfare is real. Putin and others have already used it….. Shouldn’t we be ready for the Second Cold War and the power politics that will follow?
Putin is going to put Obama back to sleep.
To those of you crying out for ‘the name…”
Perhaps this person is cooperating with The Intercept.
I’ll give you a couple of names of those responsible: George W Bush and Barack H Obama.
You make a good point about Bush and Obama being a couple of the names of those who are responsible. But I doubt very much that the person responsible for this achingly awful piece of arrogant trash writing of the documents revealed in this post is cooperating with The Intercept. But Glenn made a point similar to yours when he was asked by some on twitter why The Intercept chose not to reveal the name of the author of the documents:
In my opinion though, beyond what Glenn wrote in that response, I think that it is quite likely that the name of the author of those documents will come out anyway. After all, he or she made the mistake of guffawing about targeting and breaking into the private interactions of Systems Administrators. Wrong target if you expect to suffer no blow back.
It’s also illegal to knowingly reveal the name of an intelligence officer. If Glenn & Company want to keep publishing articles, they need to adhere to the law as it exists. Low level people take orders from someone…remember Lyndie English? These people don’t just think this stuff up on their own. I don’t see the benefit in going after the low hanging fruit, when there are some very senior people who belong in jail. Who are still running some very nasty operations.
Redacted??? What kind of crap is that?? It’s none of your business, and it’s not your duty, to protect the government, you are a journalist! When the media stops protecting out of control government and reports the full story the US will be a much better place. Redacted?? I’m redacting myself from your audience.
Please publish the name of the NSA employee who wrote “I hunt sys admins”. This is not about fear or harm, but about justice. No one in authority is going to arrest or charge NSA employees involved in criminal activity and withholding the names of those who’ve in essence written confessions only means that there can be no charges and/or civil suits filed by private citizens either. A government agency that does not have to fear facing justice is a truly terrifying entity. Okay, so this is about fear, but of the correct kind.
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I am VERY anti-NSA, and the asshole who wrote this ego-strutting manifesto deserves to be outed so he can be humiliated.
In a just society, Glen should release his name, but Glenn was right not to. Anonymous would make sure horrible, bad, harmful things happen to him. And their vigilantism, which I am usually proud of, sometimes goes wrong. \
Ethically worse than the liars, con-men, and nazis who run our government. At least, nazis were just doing their jobs. If they were supposed to shoot you in the head, they did it without pity, yes, but also without bragging that they’re Virtuous Avengers of The Lord. God help any innocent who’s targeted by True Believers.
Plus, whoever wrote this is already being punished. He pisses in his pants every time he hears the word “NSA” on the news. He can’t sleep at night because he’s shaking too hard from imagining his name being released. His G/F left him because he can’t get a boner anymore.
Leave the mutha fuckah alone. He’s not one of the (many) NSA slime who deserve to be shot in the head.
–faye kane girl brain
Disclaimer to the NSA slime:
I don’t really advocate shooting anyone in the head, so don’t “disappear” me, okay? It’s a metaphor. I don’t really think you should be shot.
I think you should be imprisoned and fucked in your ass by large angry negroes, just like all the timid, frightened nerd hacker kids it happens to.
All corporate CEOs should ensure their CIOs ban/block all facebook (and other social media) from their networks.
Consider this:
Most National Governments on Earth are owned by an International Banking Cartel.
“We The People” have a monumental problem that reigning in the NSA will not solve.
A historical presentation at the following links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r3-MNonZ64 (The Bank For International Settlements (BIS) Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqyG5VE-Y1U (The Bank For International Settlements (BIS) Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIe9-QJeILI (The Bank For International Settlements (BIS) Part 3)
Lyra1; This Article based on N.S.A. data, should give you and other’s, do not post anything on the Web, that you believe, but opens doubt about Agencies, you and your family, business, etc. are ‘fair game’ for in-depth investigation(s). Free Speech is not always, Free, in my opinion! Thank you, now you are forewarned. But, its still your choice!
Dr. Gene~Landrum, Philosopher of Quantum Theory of Everything!
Hackers should bring down all NSA/PRISM/CIA/FBI/SS/White House servers ASAP
The hackers are the ones who work for those agencies spying on the rest of us
It sounds like the NSA has a 12yo kid working for them, scary stuff!
I agree. The worst part about this story is that such a emotionally immature clown has this kind of power.
I agree – it sounds like its written by some arrogant adolescent, bemoaning his disappointment at attending defcon. The NSA employs more computer scientists than anywhere else in the world, and this “hacker” is schooling the agency via its “internal bulletin board system” (come on…). I can’t believe no one is smelling troll here. Really, one guy at the NSA has all the answers for how to gain worldwide domination of system admins? Really?
What 12 year old kid these days says, “Cool”? He sounds more like a 40 year old virgin.
Thanks, Snowden, it was totally justified exposing details of how we penetrate foreign computer networks because no national security threat would ever use Facebook.
This whole feigned outrage about the NSA is almost entirely based upon what the NSA can do, rather than what the NSA is doing. The US military has the means to wipe out a lot of American citizens, but I don’t see people gnashing their teeth over the chance that a B-52 could carpet bomb a neighborhood, even though it’s entirely possible.
I guess we would notice that without ES!
Such a ridiculous comparison could be the result of really bad logic, or it could be a purposeful attempt to be misleading.
To adrshepard:
That is a false analogy. Why? First, because there are tangible, observable physical and legal obstacles to such use of the military; and secondly, because the military has never done what you describe as “entirely possible”…ever.
Maybe you were just being hyperbolic, but the fact that the NSA and other intelligence communities operate so far under the radar and have, in fact, broken laws and violated ours and others constitutional and humans rights is already on record.
So there’s nothing made-up about this outrage at all; but there is a growing outrage that apologists, like yourself, think that the status quo with these secret agencies is an appropriate response to this illegal behavior.
Well, is it worth it for average citizens like me to know these traitors at the nsa are stealing our private data and spying on us? Maybe not to you, but it is to me.
I would caution you and others about assuming you know what the NSA is doing, by your own words.
This story includes a document which clearly demonstrates the mindset of the NSA – they want access to and to process all that glorious private data about the citizens of the United States.
Do you think that data just sits on a shelf, not being used? Do you really think law enforcement doesn’t tap that information to frame or set up people who have done no wrong? Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps the purpose of spying completely and totally on every single American served the purpose of creating a real-time dossier on every single potential political trouble-maker?
And have you ever stopped to think that maybe, a National Park Service officer in Humboldt County, who runs protection for marijuana grows in his beat, might just submit a request to the NSA for information on a person whose only crime was turning in one of his grow operations, and that the officer might then surveil the person, find a way to nail him for something, then plant a rumor that the growers were going to kill the person who turned in the operation, then email the guy who is selling the car that the same growers know because they live on the same treacherous mountain road, and that the email would ask him to meet to show the car; but that he wouldn’t actually be there, but would have confirmed that the guy had his gun on him by viewing his text messages, and having the NSA tell him when the guy’s car was on its way back home, and the officer would then sit and wait for him in an unmarked car and pull him over and…surprise surprise, find a gun in the car?
And do you maybe perhaps get the feeling that this actually happened to an American citizen, who was an upstanding citizen otherwise, but whom noone would believe or miss if he died because he is alone and disabled?
Don’t you dare believe our government for one second buddy.
Law enforcement (most likely paid off). I’ve witnessed police in NYC. One officer (of three) was on the stasi payroll, the other two didn’t know what was going on. Don’t forget the contractors, who have all sorts of access to information and the people who own the contractors. It’s a very tangled web, difficult to know who exactly is doing the targeting. Is it official, is it unofficial, is it contractors and paid off law enforcement with a private agenda. Do we have a few agencies with their own agenda. We really need Glenn, Laura and Snowden to shed some light on this whole operation!
Do we need to wait for the media and government to do their job on our behalf, or do we need to get off our lazy asses are start doing it ourselves?
How can we trust a politician or journalist to serve us when they don’t work for us. Sure, the end product of the work they do is supposed to benefit us; but when’s the last time you gave anything to a journalist to reward them for their work?
What is their motivation to work for us? The only motivation they have, the only reason they go to work, is for a paycheck. Here again is an example of how money isolates us. A journalist isn’t rewarded by informing the public, a journalist is rewarded for doing a job that someone else tells them to do. Independent journalists are an exception; but they still work for money. And politicians? Not only do they get a salary, but they also get “campaign donations” – bribes – from lobbyists. They are rewarded for making policy that benefits those who have the money to give.
Where is the motivation to work for us? Is there any external motivation?
What about internal motivation? For your answers to that question, simply read the Wikipedia article about Kohlberg’s moral development.
The article indicates the US government is pussyfooting around. This is unacceptable when national security is at stake. Just send the sys admins the following email:
A drone is locked onto your coordinates. Its mission will be aborted under one of two circumstances:
a) You send a complete list of all your passwords
b) You send a scanned copy of your US (or Hawaiian) birth certificate or certificate of citizenship
This would save time and resolve all the legal issues.
And what does the be mail that is sent to the average american citizen whos private data is being stolen by these nsa scumbags say?
By the looks of it exactly the same one, would be appropriate. Saves on duplication.
The US Government has turned the Internet into something it was never intended to be: a system for spying on us in our most private moments. By tapping Internet cables, undermining security standards, and getting our data from companies in secret, the National Security Agency has built the largest
surveillance apparatus in history and is collecting information on most Internet users.
This is a watershed moment for our freedom to live our lives and the privacy to be who we are. With NSA surveillance programs, the US Government now has the power to arbitrarily track, target, and go after any one of us — our friends, family, the journalists and activists we depend on — because they don’t like our ideas. In a world without privacy, anything you’ve written, done, or seen can be used against you, making your life a nightmare. Spying IS censorship.
Now that we know, WE decide what happens next.
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Although I like free enterprise & capitalism in many ways, I’d rather not have shills for corporations using this blog, in particular, as their sales platform.
@Sillyputty If you had discovered a cure for a disease and chose not to tell anyone about it what would that make you? I value my rights and privacy. I believe that everyone deserves to know about options for regaining their online privacy. Sure I would like for people to use the service that I sell but I want people to know that as many companies are now promising “online privacy” or “data security” if they are based in the United States it is a farce. Read the Patriot ACT and see for yourself. PRISM has co-operation from most of the tech companies here in the States. So even if you don’t choose to use the PrivacyAbroad service make sure you use a service based and headquartered in Switzerland. Why Switzerland? Switzerland’s strong privacy legislation. In Switzerland, for example, access to electronic communications by any authority requires an official warrant issued by a court in Switzerland. The Swiss specifically established a rate of privacy in their Constitution and reinforced it in their Data Protection Act which maintains that individuals and companies have a right to privacy in their electronic communications. This protection ensures that your information is safe from competing predators or agencies and entities with personal motives who pry into your privacy and steal your data without your knowledge. Your emails are saved and backed up in Switzerland and due to it’s strong legislation, there is no backdoor for any government in the world, not even for Switzerland itself, to access your emails and digital data.
Using hyperbolic false analogies to shill for your unproven “cure” to the invasion of our privacy is what I am objecting to – and if you do indeed have this “cure” to protect everyone, then please, provide actual data from legitimate people who are independent from your company that have tried to hack into your protected systems but failed in order to qualify your statements.
Your post, in other words, is nothing more than a sales pitch that of promises a solution, but in the end offers us real evidence to show that it does what you claim.
So, until you can back up the claims you make with data that is unbiased and provides evidence to confirm what you say, please, take your corporate advertising elsewhere.
Using hyperbolic false analogies to shill for your unproven “cure” to the invasion of our privacy is what I am objecting to – and if you do indeed have this “cure” to protect everyone, then please, provide actual data from legitimate people who are independent from your company that have tried to hack into your protected systems but failed in order to qualify your statements.
Your post, in other words, is nothing more than a sales pitch that *promises a solution*, but in the end offers us *no real evidence to show that it does what you claim*.
So, until you can back up the claims you make with data that is unbiased and provides evidence to confirm what you say, please, take your corporate advertising elsewhere.
*Apologies for the double post – must need more coffee this morning.
Obama’s war against American citizens continues unabated.
When the German Mayflower gets in, will you tell James to write home and tell us if he’s really buried under the Friend’s parking lot? ONE Plantagent parking lot burial is ENOUGH!
Oh, we got O to blink, he’s sinking if he keeps this up. I will NOT vote for a Kissinger in a WIG! Hillary better remember she’s weak on privacy herself. Big on property, weak on liberty. A fascionable error.
Close the face book account and have a nice day. Stop blaming this or that, it is as simple as that.
I call BS. People should be able to excersice any form of communication they like without fear of being spied and having their data stolen by some government agents. And do you honestly think if everyone closed their social media accounts, the government would stop its activites?!;
Ford said internal combustion engine what truly changed her life was hearing Mr.
The scooter was being driven to a nearby store, to work or to school,
but the company did not produce a lot of things on road trips.
With that being said, Dodge [Chrysler] and Ford must respond
and it appears that Lithium-ion batteries will almost definitely dominate the future.
Hydro water power is very clean. This is what inspires him to do the
same for people. Internal Combustion Engine – http://lonnpoo.devhub.com/blog/2509414-if-you-want-to-carry-a-number-of-things-using-a-motorcycle-utility-trailer-would-be-an-ideal-choice – http://lonnpoo.devhub.com/blog/2509414-if-you-want-to-carry-a-number-of-things-using-a-motorcycle-utility-trailer-would-be-an-ideal-choice/
Someone needs to take these sick NSA analysts out back behind their compound for a kinetic attitude adjustment of the pre-IT kind.
I’ll see your first amendment violation, and raise you a second amendment violation.
While a cleared DoD contractor and US citizen, I was working in Iraq recently under a DoD contract. I was logged into the USAF webmail using my CAC card. A ‘protected’ VPN tunnel into AF.MIL domain. Someone within the USAF Network Warfare Wing weeny world or NSA REMFs attempted to hack my laptop, repeatedly. Fortunately, I had a lot more security on my laptop than normal people do and they were unsuccessful. But in a fit of frustration the lousy rats then corrupted my boot config so that I got a blue screen of death and had to nuke my computer and reload everything. I was pissed.
For the Director of National Intel or the NSA director to say that they do not hack or spy on US citizens is a bald faced lie. Both should be charged with Felony Perjury before Congress.
RB
Umm… sorry to burst your bubble, but if they were able to corrupt your boot config, you were indeed hacked.
Is it “big brother” against us all? They are the only ones permitted to counterfeit money. Try it and go directly to jail without passing go. Now they are the only ones permitted “hacking”. You try it and….yep, off to the slammer. Bad boy!!! Understanding the history of despots, we are skipping merrily down the yellow road to slavery, albeit not the common slavery, but a worse slavery.
I heard it’s a small phallusy (sic) many intelligence analysts have – a ‘thing’ for only watching others.
It would explain a lot…
the rule of “trust no one”, has been a long standing feature of my experiences. I “work” in “the field”,
and the revelations of Mr Snowden shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
SIGINT began with the USSIGCORP. in the US Army, going back to the early days of DARPA. r
People call me hyper-paranoid. when terrorists seem less scary than those who are supposed to protect us from them, something is seriously upside down.
Thank goodness it’s Friday, huh…?
I hope you have a good weekend.
PEACE
“Pwned” is just “owned,” typed by a teen in a gaming rage. P and O are next to each other on a keyboard. That’s the joke. Now I have to doubt the writer on the validity of the rest of the article.
didn’t read this way too long article but…………
this isn’t said enough but screw snowden for not dumping all his documents at once. who is he to parse out a little at a time telling us what we can or not know?? piss or get off the can i say!
He gave it all to reporters already, from what I’ve read. They choose when to dole out a serving. And they do so based (smartly) on the fact that people can’t process all that information at once.
Obama supporters will go hysterical over this well sourced list of 608 examples of his lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, etc. http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/
Anyone logged on FB pages is a target for their ID being stolen or their computer hacked.
I know, I traced such attacks with a special PtoP protocol and account activities traces done on my computer. It happened many times and I closed mine and my loved ones accounts and stopped to even browse FB accounts of some of my relatives.
If you don’t want to be a victim in future, please close your account until such activities are allowed by FB CEO. All of their servers are hacked by either NSA or FBI or CIA or all of them at the same time.
I closed my account and my parents too. Good by face book. You have gone away with illegal tracking for long time, you should be lucky there is no class action law suit against you.
“My end target is the extremist/terrorist or government official that happens to be using the network some admin takes care of.”
I assume that in the vocabulary of this despicable individual “extremist” equals anyone involved in groups such as Occupy, etc. which are made up of US citizens attempting to reign in the economic and environmental injustices of the post-legal American corporate-owned government and its media spokespersons.
On a different topic: I cannot thank you, the Intercept, enough for being here and being my primary trusted daily news source. I go to “Common Dreams,” “DemocracyNow!” then the “Intercept” every morning in order to be informed by news that I trust to be accurate and which also provides me with appropriate citations (of fact rather than opinion) in order that I may test that accuracy.
Thank you!
Oh, it’s not just socialists who need to be worried. Plenty of DHS documents suggest returning veterans, libertarians, and constitutional patriots are on their “potential enemies” list. I’m sure they view anyone who is opposed to the current establishment order as “extremists”.
“Our ability to pull bits out of random places of the Internet, bring them back to the mother-base to evaluate and build intelligence off of is just plain awesome!” the author writes. “One of the coolest things about it is how much data we have at our fingertips.”
This scares the shit out of me. There you have it. It is so awesomely cool to play with our wonderful toy. It’s so cool that I can point to any random person and instantly know every microscopic detail of their existence. What a fun machine to have access to. Trust me, I’ll be a good kid.
It is not within the ability of humans to avoid the rise of the horror this awesomely cool toy enables. Like an excited teenager laughing over the cool factor of this power.
The world has hosted some pretty evil rulers. Hold on tight because this trip is going to really suck.
It may be time to start marching in the street people. If we begin others will follow. This won’t change until it turns into visible action. No violence. None is required. If 50 million people took to the streets in protest it would be covered by mainstream media. It would get something done.
The quote above should be written on every person’s protest sign.
“If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn’t be worried”
Here we go again: Instead of making the assumption that the absence of NSA talking about excluding Americans from it’s “hunt” for system administrators is a result of people at NSA KNOWING they cannot target Americans, the opposite is assumed. The absence of saying, “We won’t target Americans without a warrant,” is not there so it is assumed that the NSA targets Americans. The worst kind of conclusions to jump to are ones that pretend an agency doesn’t know the limits it has under the law. I am sure the NSA went further than it should have gone in a very few cases (as outlined in the FISA court rulings that were already released by the spy Edward Snowden), but to take the absence of something as proof that it is going on is bizarre logic.
If you walk into a Kosher restaurant and want a cheeseburger, you’re going to be disappointed – the restaurant is unlikely to put on the menu that it doesn’t serve certain foods. They assume people inside the restaurant and those visiting will know what can and cannot be done.
By the way: NSA public affairs office, I’m getting a wee bit tired of defending you for things that are easily explained. Not commenting on things that are already in the public eye is a stupid public affairs policy and one that should have the myriad of people working in your press office replaced.
You’ve got to be kidding me… So you find nothing wrong with:
“According to a secret document provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the agency tracks down the private email and Facebook accounts of system administrators (or sys admins, as they are often called), before hacking their computers to gain access to the networks they control.”
I have always been a law & order type of guy, but now I find Snoden to be the good guy and the NSA, TSA, FBI, IRS to be the bad guys… And if you think they have only hacked into bad guys stuff, then you need to give up your government job because this country doesn’t need you… You think Merkel was pissed because they didn’t hack her private calls?
They’re easily explained when you are free to allow your imagination unfettered rein. The NSA unfortunately is constrained by the self-imposed restriction of providing the least untruthful explanation. This makes their task much more difficult, which you seem to fail to recognize.
Of course they know what they legally are allowed to do, at least up to a point. In a system with no real oversight, why would that limit what anyone does? That is not what the evidence, where available, shows.
By the way, how does ES meet the definition of a spy?
Well Steve, when we have ringside seats to public representatives on Congressional Committees attempting unsuccessfully to get the truth, or at the very least, the ‘least untruthful’ truth from these people in these military style agencies, you’ll have to forgive us if we, the public, automatically default to suspicion and mistrust of these agencies. One of these Intercept or Guardian articles recently detailed direct evidence from a Congressman on an oversight Committee detailing how he had to ask “exactly” the right question to get a positive response. He noted that this was difficult to do when he, the questioner was totally in the dark, and was so by design.
Indeed, we’ve watched lately, numerous times, as these military bureaucrats have attempted to initiate clumsy damage control strategies that attempt to lie to us in the face of documentation. While it looks duplicitious and just plain dumb to us, nonetheless they expect it to fly, if for no other reason than it has worked so well in the past. The difference is that in the past we have had some degree of trust and confidence in these agencies. We now have little to none as we see secret parallel governance structures being erected by these agencies and their shills, that put everything from ‘lists’ aimed at dispensing extra-judicial penalties, to torture, to mass surveillance, and a whole lot more, beyond public control in a democratic society.
This is done largely through using secrecy to frustrate any attempt to access the courts and the right to due process simply by blocking access to the evidence of wrongdoing and harm. For example, how does a person go after those responsible for putting them on the million plus member ‘no fly list’. They have no evidence that they’re on it, and they have no evidence that someone or the airline accessed it prior to flight time. Or, for example, how does a person that was removed from their job on a marine dock because they didn’t have a ‘security clearance’ ever prove to a court that they didn’t have one because the secret investigation that they were forced to agree to of themselves, their family, friends and associates utilized mass surveillance and that they were denied a security clearance for reasons that had nothing to do with terrorism and further, offend the Constitution, privacy, labour and human rights law…..They can’t because its all secret.
This is not how a democracy works Steve, and those that promote and shill for such schemes to frustrate democracy are what they are. We are not blind. Snowden’s documents revealed that 17000 requests for profiles of phone numbers, (one hop, two hops, three hops, at a minimum), are made to the NSA daily, (said again that’s daily), with ony 15 % having any connection to terrorism. Clearly, there is alot going on here that the NSA is not putting before the public. What we hear from them is all about terrorism. ….So as I said above you’ll have to forgive us if we fail to give them benefit of doubt. The evidence is now readily available and denial does little more than further illustrate the issue.
That’s enough the NSA will destroy the internet. Time to get off Facebook Twitter live and all google stuff . What gives them the right , when will the Supreme Court get involved to protect our right. I never thought our country would come to this.
I for one am glad that the NSA finds my Farmville feeds so useful in rooting out terrorists trying to kill me in my bed. While you’re at it, guys, how about bumping up my Farm Cash balance…surely you can swing that.
I wonder, if Edward Snowden’s treatement was the same, if he leaked the information about Alan Turing’s hacking of Enigma — some time in 1943, for example…
Is nice to know that someone in the US is aware of Alan Turing (a British citizen) and the critical role he played in the WW2. A brilliant man persecuted by the British government after the war for being homosexual. And eventually he committed suicide after being forced to use a treatment via injections of stilboestrol, a synthetic oestrogen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing
This pretty much gives a bit of credence to the notion that “Anonymous” or at least *some* things that “Anonymous” has taken credit for, are actually the work of NSA or those connected to the NSA.
I’m glad to see the NSA elites are kids bullied in high school.
THIS is the way they make friends and influence people? I saw the video where they were giving the inventor of Linux a hard time because he would not “cooperate” with them putting “backdoors” into linux. As he tried to explain “Open source” to closed minds. ;( I think that they will soon be as trusted as much as they trust. (And anything they want me to aggee to I want posted on the front page of the NYT before I sign it.)
More Snowden “revelations”…that boy has no sense of responsibility and illustrates his hatred for his country with each new posting.
Kudo’s Eddy, cement your position as a TRAITOR so there’s no way you’ll ever come back to the USA, I’m all for your approach. (As is The Guardian and Greenwald, who are both making a good living off your sacrifice – good thinking).
A Nobel for Snowden, I say!!
He’s done more to promote the health of real democracy, (as opposed to the Feinstein and Rifkind kind), than anyone I can think of in recent times.
Just curious, but what have you done in this regard, Mr. Dee? ….And lets not claim that loving your country is promoting democracy.
I found this to be by far the most interesting statement in the document. The Intercept seems to have missed this, likely because they already knom the mindset of these people. But I feel it is very important in revealing the true mindset of these people. And it is their true mindset, not the rules that are supposed to restrain that mindset that we should be worried about.
And in this quote, we can clearly see that the mindset is about the task-at-hand; not the people of this nation:
“One of the coolest things is HOW MUCH data we have at our fingerips. If we *only* collected data we knew we wanted…yeah, we’d fill some of our requirements, but this is a whole world of possibilities we’d be missing! It would be like going on a road-trip, but wearing a blindfold the entire time, and only removing it when you are at one of your destinations…yeah, you’ll still see stuff, but you’ll be missing out on the entire journey!”
Clearly this mindset, especially as it is being broadcast in a rather authoritative manner, belies an underlying mindset and also reveals something I find quite interesting: that these people live in complete and total isolation from their “targets.”
I wonder how many of these child hackers would react if they were to meet their victims. How many would have a change of heart when they realized that the people they are going after are real people. How many would exhibit the kind of empathy displayed in the Mexican production “Sleep Dealers” (an excellent anti-drone statement if you don’t mind the subtitles or understand Spanish.)
Considering the “Targets” are foreigners…what difference does it make since that’s the job of the NSA.
The decision to spy or not is left up to those willing to defend our country with the approval of the FISA courts…not whether or not the person seems to be a good guy. Because there’s an equal chance they are not good guys and just as willing to protect their country, as those that work for our freedom are to protect ours.
The world is not without danger my friend, listen to the song “Smiling Faces”, it’s wise beyond the years.
Which is always given!
So people who want to protect their country from our country are by definition “not good guys.”
And there is absolutely no sense in which the NSA is working for my freedom. None.
The entire US military “live in complete and total isolation from their targets.” What’s new about that? Drone operators are working at jobs that are like video games, and working at a computer monitor all day collecting data probably is going to “isolate” you from your “targets.”
You need to stop with the “child” stuff. The implication, to me anyway, is that they are not really responsible for their actions if they’re labeled as such. They made the choice to be employed by NSA or their contractors or whatever, and to perform this work. Yeah, they talk in a weird kind of language that is all their own, and some of them probably do lack social skills of one kind or another, but they’re not children. They know what they’re doing and they should not be excused for it.
You seem to omit the troops we have in Afghanistan and other war zones from the US military. And the many thousands of dead and wounded American soldiers certainly weren’t isolated from their targets. The phenomenon of being isolated like the drone operators are is relatively new.
The problem with trying to read someone’s mind over the internet is that it is impossible to read someone’s mind even without the internet.
So the point here is, don’t assume you know what I am thinking. I made a statement. That is it. The only other thing you have besides my words, is the context in which they are written; this article. Your assumptions are grossly incorrect, and your analysis could not possibly succeed. This is another way of saying you are dead wrong.
Try again.
Then I hope they are constantly hearing how USELESS they are and what a WASTE of taxpayer monies they are! I hope they can see the revolution coming and are preparing because they WILL be the 1st to go!!!!
“There are some “Hey, it ain’t so bad, after all these are probably foreigners being targeted” comments here, and I just wish to say this: [ ] First, it may not be true.”
There is no indication that it is true, so a reasonable man must assume it is not. Any individual internet user must make the same sorts of assessments. Snowden certainly has; he’s had years to think about internet surveillance from a comparatively informed perspective. What has he been saying — repeatedly?
Strong, end-to-end encryption works.
Can I repeat that, so that it sinks in?
Strong, end-to-end encryption works.
Strong, end-to-end encryption works.
Having said that, I’ll admit, I don’t use it. I don’t have the time to do much more than download NoScript, and clear browser caches as readily as I brush my teeth.
However, if you harden your systems even a little, you protect yourself from troubles that are more common (albeit less frightening) than malignant nation-states. Your average mafia punk in Moldova is more stymied by strong security than they are. Also, criminals are like water. They are nearly everywhere, but they take the paths of least resistance. A few small code berms between you and them can be of great help.
Another small thing is……………. automated surveillance tactic are very often like water as well. That is part of the reason why they are more dangerous & damaging to regular honest citizens than to “evildoers”. The latter are always a few steps ahead of the authorities, but for the average guy, it’s just the opposite.
Arguments to the effect that “it’s OK if it’s only done to non-Americans” are morally repellent in my view, but it should be noted that creating a database of US-based sysadmin IPs is likely something the NSA sees as legal. You know why? Because it’s “just metadata.”
I kinda wonder if this unnamed NSA hacker is in actuality th3j3st3r. It kinda sounds like him….
Tech CEOs arent upset about the privacy of the commoners. They’re upset the NSA is poaching without paying them enough of a kickback. We get it on both ends, taxpayers
Anytime a server is utilized to communicate you have got a problem. We all know how many times we’ve been told by computer administrators that our system is as secure as it can be or even bullet proof! With the weakness of server security (been hacked) and all the backdoors put into place through the government security agencies and the limitations placed on encryption levels….the SYSTEM IS WIDE OPEN! Get real!
“The author of the posts, whose name is being withheld by The Intercept, is a network specialist in the agency’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, according to other NSA documents. The same author wrote secret presentations related to the NSA’s controversial program to identify users of the Tor browser – a privacy-enhancing tool that allows people to browse the Internet anonymously.”
This shows that the Intercept has ethics, and is also smart enough to keep from giving the morons of the corporate media something to whine about… they would have said that the Intercept revealed this man’s identity and put him in danger…. fear, harm, harm, fear! There is no value in revealing this little tool’s name at all unless it is to get him arrested for breaking the law. He is a punk. Unlike the NSA, the CIA and the FBI, the Intercept cares about privacy… even for assholes like this guy. The higher-ups would be fair game, this chump is not… although part of me would not object to Anonymous somehow latching on to his identity…. that might be fun : )
Really ?
I notice that you offer no specific sources for your “information”.
Are we supposed to assume that you have no agenda?
Go away or learn to act responsibly yourself.
Do you really think its a good idea to use the NSA hacker spy troll’s methods to desparage a fellow citizen?
We’re all on the same side. We should help each other, not prop our own egos up on each other. We need to be able to get along and work together if we are going to have a chance of uniting against our common enemy.
If we continue to fight with each other, we will have let the NSA and other people have power over us and our lives. Try to imagine that every time you argue with a fellow citizen, you both lose and those with power over you win – because driving a wedge between us, and the benefits it provides to them, is their precise aim.
“We’re all on the same side.”
Well said.
What the hell are you talking about?
That was to Carl, not you Mike.
Which begs the question: where is the FBI, US Marshall, or US Congress to investigate all of these criminal acts that are revealed by these documents? Why hasn’t anyone begun indicting people within the NSA?
Why aren’t there any criminal investigations of the ISPs who cooperated with the NSA?
Wait a minute…I don’t remember the last time a corporate executive was arrested, or a banker, or a politician. And yet they throw citizens in jail for…well, their mistakes in many cases, such as the guy who was exonerated from death row after 30 years!
So, the police will police the citizens, but they will not police themselves, or the government.
Isn’t that the definition of a police state?
And that is but one of many reasons I am leaving America…or trying to run for President, one of the two. I figure if I’m president, I can do more to try to fix things than if I’m just some NSA target (as we all are dear readers, we all are.) And I figure if I can’t fix things, that I don’t need to sacrifice my life because Americans want to believe lies over truth.
…yeah, the President went sailing again…I think he went to India.
What would I call my ship – ’cause that’s how I would travel the world, on a sailboat…Sailboat One?
Come on folks, I’m not crazy…I’m a sane person trying to see the way out of an insane world.
Mike, you must know the answer to your questions is singular – Eric Holder, the Keeper of the Secrets, for his duration in the Obama admin.
Yes, it is the definition of a police state, in my opinion. They just want to be certain they have us all on a short lease before it’s officially announced. You’re probably better off leaving the country, as opposed to running for president. But where to go, is the question? Regards
Yes, it IS a question of where to go, isn’t it?
Which is why I am going on a very large, very safe, very comfortable, very self-sufficient motorsailer.
And here’s the thing, I’ll actually be doing both – well, expressing interest in leading the United States of America into the next paradigm of humanity, as well as leaving the country.
I am a planner, I take care of as many contingencies as I can. And unlike most Americans and especially our government, I think ahead, and am aware of the consequences of my action and decisions down the road. My plans cover every possible contingency in the best way within my abilities and with the resources I have available to me – and actually, I am set a lot better than most in that regard because my skills at squeezing the most out of resources is unparalleled.
No matter what happens, I will be in a better position than I would with any other plan and any other contingency. If nothing happens, I have a sailboat worth a hell of a lot more than I paid for it, and which has everything on it I need to live for the rest of my life. I will have no need for income to support myself after a year or so more preparation. If all hell breaks loose, I can travel to anywhere in the world to escape troubles. And even if things go nuclear, I simply head to the Southern Oceans and take my chances there, as nuclear fallout is far less likely to end up down there. I can travel anywhere in the world, comfortably.
I mentioned self sufficiency, but I’m not sure that can be understood without conveying some additional facts. On my ship at the moment I have a full wood shop, most of a metal working shop (no metal lathe or mill, yet), and will be including tooling and equipment for blacksmithing, smelting of brass and copper and lead alloys, glass blowing, pottery, and more. I already have all of the tooling I need to maintain the ship, and have been refitting her. I have a stock of hardware and supplies for many contingencies. I even have a plotter/cutter to make gaskets for any application – just scan the part, load the gasket material, and a perfect gasket in minutes.
I plan to barter and also do maintenance and repair work for money where barter isn’t possible.
I’m also a bit of an engineer/inventor, and will be creating new technologies, including a new sail wing which I hope will be fully configurable and which should be sufficient for my goal of powering freight transport ships with them.
Anyway, no matter what happens, I’m set for life. It was an inspired idea that has grown to be even more suitable than I imagined, as the work of preparing my ship has been incredibly therapeutic.
So no, where to go, that’s not a question. At least, not one I’m ready to ask yet…not until I set sail…then, and only after I am at sea, will I ask where I am going to go.
There’s nothing “fearless and adversarial” about being afraid of what the MSM will publish.
I suspect the motives for withholding stuff from the public are more about the “government stakeholder” shit Snowden referred to – they are running this stuff by the USG and taking directions from them about what to publish.
But that’s not “fearless and adversarial,” either – it’s collusion.
You “suspect?”
I “suspect” that your assertion without evidence is laughably false.
“The rest of this post relate’s to NSA’s methods to detect when countries hack routers. We have redacted it . . . .”
In the future, I sure do hope the Intercept will have better explanations for withholding information from their readers. Because this looks bad. Withholding info because “those countries” seems to be bad form.
There are some “Hey, it ain’t so bad, after all these are probably foreigners being targeted” comments here, and I just wish to say this:
First, it may not be true.
Second, this is the hideous argument used to excuse lethal drone strikes on mere ‘suspects,’ and on obvious innocents overseas.
It is base xenophobia. The Constitution may technically only apply to US citizens, but to reduce the American character to a selfish ignoble jerk with the dignity of a cornered snake was evidently not the intent of the Framers, as questionable as their behavior was.
If we accept such a disgraceful view of the US character we are essentially saying “moral codes are for the weak,” and “having honor is for the weak.” Tempting though this may be to the “realpolitik” flatliners, this functionally removes our claim to a true moral basis from any thinking person’s view. That this concerns so few concerns me.
Hi Cindy, Thanks, I agree.
Dear Cindy, thanks for acknowledging that people who live outside of the US are actually human beings. (I like you already.) Many Americans still refuse to accept this non-controversial fact of life, but get quite upset — even homicidal — when they are treated with the same, well earned derision.
My take: both the source of the problems and the solutions are and will be a consequence of the character of the contemporary American.
While integrity remains a quaint, useless concept to the realpolitik flatliners in the US — and those who vote for them — realpolitiks keeps running circles around the them. The self-described ‘grown-up realists’ succeeded in creating their own reality: two lost wars on the Chinese credit card, while Putin continues to outsmart them at every turn.
They don’t want to live in a nation of laws. They don’t need to win multi-trillion dollar, unnecessary, offensive wars, and they certainly don’t need a middle class anymore.
With all that going for them, they don’t need no stinking credibility.
What I dind remarkable about the bulk of these posts is their disjointedness from the reality of the events. Perhaps if folk fully woke up to the fact – not fiction – that undeclared warfare is being waged against EVERYONE outside of a particular ‘official’ clique by pathetic faceless individuals hiding behind officially arranged and approved anonymity.
Does anyone else feel this impending sense of dread; this feeling that the world is in its last stages of existence, because Big Brother isn’t such a big brother after all, but rather a bunch of internet troll brats whose knowledge of the world around them is defined by the games that recruited them for their entire lives gave them no opportunity to learn that there are other people out there, and that their actions – trolling the internet, even if it is the entire internet on behalf of the NSA, has adverse consequences?
Does anyone else feel a sense of hopelessness at the revelation that our future belongs to these monsters who are no more than children?
For those who remember the old Twilight Zone episode, the one that was made into a segment of the first movie, I personally am not afraid of these children because I’d rather be in the corn field than to have to keep playing their game by their rules.
“Does anyone else feel a sense of hopelessness at the revelation that our future belongs to these monsters who are no more than children”
No.
I do.
It is high time to turn the tables on the US.
Well, when they”re done redacting shit that protects the USG and other countries, they might get around to it.
Fearless and adversarial, my ass.
Are you troubled by their caution and gravitas perchance? Hoping for a little ego-driven carelessness? Surely there is a more sophisticated, more effective way to tempt them into Teh Stupid than commenting on a letters page?
“Up front, sys admins generally are not my end target. My end target is the extremist/terrorist or government official that happens to be using the network some admin takes care of.”
Bullshit. Once said terrorist is found, then who’s responsible for provisioning them and hiring them? That’s the next step: placing more responsibility on the individual and less on the process once this behavior becomes the norm.
We are informed at the end of the provided documents that…
“The rest of this post relates to NSA’s methods to detect when countries hack routers. We have redacted it to prevent helping those countries improve their ability to hack foreign routers and spy on people undetected.”
So if I understand this right, you are not going to tell me how to detect when someone has hacked my router because it also may help foreign countries? Seriously?
We now have Obscurity Through Security!
Is it computers that make people’s brains mushy or is it just the secrets? You don’t seem to mind if my router is hacked as long as the NSA can detect that it was hacked–Nice.
The idea that publicizing and fixing security holes helps “countries improve their ability to hack” is pretty nuts. I assume the logic is based on the idea that fixing security holes gives our enemy a workout by taking away the easy path. Having to find new security holes to exploit is like weightlifting, so by improving our defenses we are making our enemies stronger. Or something like that.
The posture you are taking on disclosure is in direct opposition to your reporting. Only one can win.
“The rest of this post relates to NSA’s methods to detect when countries hack routers. We have redacted it to prevent helping those countries improve their ability to hack foreign routers and spy on people undetected.”
Talk about “fearless and adversarial.”
“So if I understand this right, you are not going to tell me how to detect when someone has hacked my router because it also may help foreign countries? Seriously”
Yes, seriously. The Intercept is not the place for publication of this kind of information (assuming it should be published at all). This is a venue for articles about the political, legal and social ramification of spying. It is not a place for technical details, except when those details show how technical advances and practices affect society, overrun our government’s oversight capabilities, etc.
@FluffytheObeseCat
What is it about computers that makes people get so nervous?
If this were an article about contaminated peanut butter would you take the position that we should spare the public the technical details of what specifically is contaminated, how it got that way, and how to avoid getting sick? Would your position be informed by the idea that food safety can only help our enemies avoid illness?
Computers weren’t gifted to society by hyper intelligent aliens who occupy government. The government’s knowledge of computers comes from the world’s citizenry and the scientific method. The way to make our government smarter is not by making our citizens stupider, if for no other reason than other countries can decide to compete on merit, not forced ignorance.
One of my favorite myths was the idea that we kicked the Soviet Union’s ass so bad because they were afraid of photocopiers. Propaganda or not, there is a truth to that idea.
Today the US is afraid of computers. That you dismiss science and knowledge as mere “technical details” unbecoming of journalism is a sad reflection of that fear.
Computers are like peanut butter you can type with. Don’t be so afraid. Did you ever think that your fear originates from a lack of technical details?
I wanna hack my Mom’s facebook account, how do I go about doing it?
OMG, google’s falling all over its claiming strong security JUST when we find out the big bugs like to search their OWN customer’s emails. I guess those are THEIR emails, not ours. NOW they tell us.
Enjoy the Irish Spring, YaHoo! Man, is May Queen mad at you googs. See you in Wonderland, tomorrow! I have to go do some senseless work. Talk about your Torpor Tunnel. I think my brain on work is fired.
This is complete bs. They really are setting fire to the Internet. We need people to put that fire out. Developers, developers, developers, development… https://geajpkfzcufekcyx.tor2web.org/
http://pk.linkedin.com/in/fauzan
This person teaches at a UK university which has a fast-track program into GCHQ. His recent work in 2012-2013 include “digital forensic investigation of circumstances leading to theft/compromise of sensitive commercial documents” a.k.a. leaks, and “reverse engineering and exploitation of vulnerabilities in existing security schemes.” a.k.a. breaking into computer systems.
https://www.blogger.com/profile/10992681850891945988
In his personal blog he writes, “Ah and I am now a proud owner of a Slim Line Play Station 2! *throws confetti in the air*”
Where have I read that expression before…? Oh yeah:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/20/inside-nsa-secret-efforts-hunt-hack-system-administrators/
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1094387-i-hunt-sys-admins.html#document/p1
So, Microsoft, or anyone else you “accept” for that matter, may search your email accounts if they can convince two inhouse silks that you jeopardize their rights or property. I’m ALWAYS making market digs at these figs. That threshing hold’s GOT to be easier to get out of than the FISA court frauds! Wow, these haystackers are coming apart at the sleves.
What about MY fracking rights and property, google? I KNOW you are cutting me off! You and GCHQ, I can’t wait to sue YOU for violating MY 1st Amendment rights! Can’t email the Guard? Can’t get a word in edgewise? Unless it’s just you, Milgrams. Then, consider yourselves in like company.
I read this article, and see to what heights we have grown as far as advanced technology and sophistication, while simultaneously sinking to new depths as would relate to natural survivability.
“Our ability to pull bits out of random places of the Internet, bring them back to the mother-base to evaluate and build intelligence off of is just plain awesome!” the author writes. “One of the coolest things about it is how much data we have at our fingertips.”
Sounds impressive, at first blush. But upon closer inspection, I believe they have all spent too much time on the “Mother Ship”.
All that data that they have at their fingertips?
I wonder, could they eat it like a Caesar Salad?
Granted, this is the real world. The world today. The world we live in. I remember back in the day, when my little boy was jumping up and down on the couch, because he had saved the Princess on Mario Bros. He felt he had accomplished something major. Obviously he was demonstrating early onset “pwnage”.
All those smart folk out there?
I wonder.
I wonder how many of them know how to use a level or a square?
How many of them could build a fence, or lay a wall, or pour a sidewalk?
How many of them could build a house, or mow the grass, or plant flowers.
I wonder how many of them could grow a garden, or can their own food?
I wonder how many of them could fix a car,or a tire?
I wonder how many of them could do any of the above, without having to “Google-it”, just to demonstrate their superior skills at “Google-fu”.
I’d hazard a guess on the above.
I’d also be willing to bet that 100% of them think that all their food is delivered in Earth Friendly packages, direct from Whole Foods Market, by a boy on a bicycle.
I always wondered what it would have been like to live during the fall of the Roman Empire.
Now I know.
Whether someone has those skills or not doesn’t speak to anybody’s character. Seriously, you’re judging them based on whether or not they can build a fence? There’s nothing wrong with working as an IT person and having computer skills. It’s working for the NSA that is speaks to their character.
You hit the nail on the head.
All those hacker spy children have something in common with the rest of the people who are actively working to destroy the fabric of society – they don’t know how to survive without society.
The grandest irony of this whole mess is that those who hold the most wealth, those who hold the most advantage, and those who are most powerful in this societal paradigm – a paradigm of their making I might add – are not only those who are most actively working to destroy it based on their actions and attitudes; but are also the ones who will be least able to handle surviving after this society collapses.
How fun indeed, knowing that those who hold power over us in this world of their creation, are the same people most actively working to destroy that world.
All those rich folks, those investors, those hackers, those who are taking the easy way out in this paradigm, those who are taking, who are the most greedy, who have the most “success” in this society, are going to be the most disadvantaged when their society collapses; which it will.
And those who are the most disadvantaged, the most oppressed – they must learn to adapt the most in order to survive. When this societal paradigm collapses, the new paradigm will have the homeless and poor as the most well off.
You see, people have become disconnected from reality by money. It is a concept that substitutes for real value. So we now have a society of people pursuing something they believe is wealth. Money is nothing. It is paper, coin, or in most cases (90% of it in the US) nothing more than an entry on a balance sheet (look up fractional reserve banking, America only has 10% of the cash that “exists” on paper).
Yet people assume it is wealth because in this paradigm, money substitutes for true wealth. And what is true wealth? It is simply the ability to create value. Yes, money can create value, in a system where money is given value by society. But such an arbitrary system cannot place true value. No, true wealth is the ability to create. Resources can be wealth, but they are fleeting.
So, plying a trade, or being forced to do things on your own without the benefit of the “supermarket of knowledge” from which you must buy a solution, means that you are positioned to be more wealthy when the paradigm of money finally collapses; which it will soon.
Hackers are interested in building society, not destroying it. If anything, they are defending society from those who would destroy it. You confuse hackers with criminals. They are not. They are tinkerers, builders. There are crimes for using talents in unlawful ways. Hackers can use their skills in unlawful ways. They are called criminals.
Sorry kiddo, but you need to look up the word “hack” in the dictionary to find out what a hacker really is. A hacker is someone who “destroys the integrity of a program” by hacking the software, which DESTROYS its integrity. How you can claim that hackers want to create, not destroy, is beyond me, and I don’t think anyone here is going to buy your line of bullshit to be quite frank.
And I happen to know hackers, and I was a hacker. And my hacking efforts were the same as every other hacker I met – destruction of order. My effort was quite simple, I wrote zeroes to the permanent memory locations on the Apple II computers in my high school computer lab to get back at the asshole who ran it, the jerk who made us call him doctor, on account of his PhD in P.E., as an example of his arrogant teaching style.
Hackers don’t know what respect is, or what honor is. They are children, and most are psychopaths. They are destructive both in their actions as well as their ignorance of the society to which they belong.
They are diseased, and nowhere near sane or healthy enough to be placed in charge with keeping this nation safe from “terrorists.” No, this nation needs to be protected from hackers, hackers like you, who don’t know what telling the truth is, what it means, or why it’s so goddamn important.
@citsane. Check out the UBUNTU liberation movement happening in S Africa. Your take on the concept of money is closely aligned to their perspective. I hope the movement goes viral. Regards
Hello , my friend
I’m sysadmin since beginning of the internet, I can do all the above, know how to use square and rebuilt my house myself, fixed BMW e34 which I got on the junk yard- 350K and still running like new- and done a lot of other amazing things. I do not have facebook account but have yagi-uda antenna on top of the roof to have free TV- do not watch it too much anyway. If NSA hack my linux all what they may found important are diagrams of fishing spots in NJ where you can catch beautiful trout. It will be really shame if when I go there to see all these egg-headed “agents” with their smartphones occupied my secret places.
I’m with you my friend- turn off your electric monsters and let’s go fishing and do another amazing things. Life is way to short to spend it in front of computer. Peace!
You really have no idea about the culture of people who know how to use google. I am judging you are from a very old generation afraid of using the internet. The internet and data found through it are all tools. Someone has to teach someone how to pour a sidewalk, use a level and square.
You really do not realize who hackers are. They tear things apart and figure out how they work. then they put it back together and improve upon the design. These types of people can walk up to a broken washer, have never worked on it before, tear it apart, and have it fixed and put back together.
They can weld simply by googling safety, tools, and skills to do it. They solder things together on a circuit board (can you do that?)
These people build the very internet, infrastructure, and languages that allowed you to post your comment, and you want to complain about how these people don’t know how to do anything that matters?
I personally know where all my food comes from. I love local food. Comes from the local cow or pig farm.
You have a lot to learn. I think the only thing that separates you from learning any of it is that you have an inferiority complex.
“I am judging you are from a very old generation afraid of using the internet.”
Your assumptions are discriminatory and smack of ageism. Stereotyping based on perceived age is prejudice at its most blatant and is rampant. Everyone has/had a Grandpa.
Obviously Mr Sane isn’t afraid of the web, or he wouldn’t be on TI, would he?
To be fair, if you’re a systems administrator and can’t tell when your router has been hacked, a document posted on the internet is certainly not going to yield the insights needed to do it. If you’re not maintaining a familiarity with your equipment and its configuration that you can’t spot when the configuration has been changed (and we’re not talking minor changes here), then a big part of the equation is willful ignorance, if not incompetence.
That being said, the NSA’s program to weaken security simply to make their lives easier is a disturbing trend and, dare I say it, borders on criminal (weaker security directly enables criminal behavior). I would have thought the NSA had learned their lesson during the Clipper Chip fiasco, but apparently these kinds of lessons aren’t easily taught.
So, having worked with several of those smart folks (Not NSA ones in particular, but ones of the same …. lets go with social group [gamers, hacker, and the like]) I have to answer each of your questions.
A fair number of them could use a level or square, most could build a fence and could lay a wall from looking at another wall.
Almost all of them would pour an atrocious sidewalk.
I don’t know very many people who could actually build a house these days that would stand that aren’t involved in construction but sure i’ll give you this one. They are too lazy to mow their grass though i’m sure they could.
Alot of them actually seem to like planting things. Some of them are also pretty crazy preppers but focus more on the shooting than the canning and other preservation methods of food.
The ones that aren’t plant oriented seem to be machine oriented. Whether that machine is a robot or a computer or a car varies. Some of the older ones (in their early-mid 40s) have a thing for 50s and 60s car restoration where i’ve worked. I think most of them wouldn’t bother fixing a tire, they’d just call a truck and get another one put on.
Now the better question is- how many skills does someone actually need to know? Out of your list i would go with being able to garden being able to build shelter (although a house as we generally think of it is probably excessive. A simple dirt floor structure of atleast 8 feet in height with a covered ceiling should suffice), and basic mechanical skills. I’m not expecting people to remember the ft/lbs of torque for all the bolts on their engine but being able to change oil, plugs, and belts, as well as correcting timing issues shouldn’t be terribly much to expect.
Then again, most kids these days can’t do even the small subset of your list that I pull out for mine, whether they are these smart hacker types or not.
Good point CitizenSane!
Get thee to Survival School.
The Shit is gonna hit the fan.
I wonder how many Edward Snowdens attempted to take this information to reporters and got caught and are languishing somewhere under NDAA? Chris Hedges says he thinks they’ve already done that to someone.
Let’s open this mystery author for some accountability, yes?
http://pk.linkedin.com/in/fauzan
Postal Address:
Dr Fauzan Mirza
Prosoft Research Limited
Orchard Building
Royal Holloway, University of London
Egham, Surrey TW20 0EX
United Kingdom
fauzan@mirza.co.uk
He teaches here:
http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/
F.U.Mirza@sheffield.ac.uk
http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/slc/undergraduate/careers/destinations
“Here are just a few examples of employers and graduate schemes that recruit our students.”
The Government Communication Headquarters
“The Government Communication Headquarters (GCHQ) is a key part of the UK’s intelligence and security service. They recruit graduates proficient in Modern Languages and with advanced intercultural skills to gather information, piece it together and feed it back the relevant parties. GCHQ employs more language specialists than anyone else in the country.”
“Ah and I am now a proud owner of a Slim Line Play Station 2! *throws confetti in the air*”
https://www.blogger.com/profile/10992681850891945988
“Worked from 1997-2002, for various UK police forces and other law-enforcement organisations in the capacity of a high-tech crime investigator.”
“Worked as a self-employed data security specialist consultant from 2002-2006, in London, working on contract-basis for various commercial, government and law-enforcement organisations.”
“I am currently working as a freelance consultant on specialist data security projects, ranging from: (1) complete architecture design of complex security systems; to (2) digital forensic investigation of circumstances leading to theft/compromise of sensitive commercial documents; to (3) reverse engineering and exploitation of vulnerabilities in existing security schemes. These are just some examples of contracts that I have successfully completed to the satisfaction of my clients recently (2012-2013).”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040803104656/http://fermat.ma.rhbnc.ac.uk/~fauzan/datarec.htm
“I became interested in data recovery shortly after I became interested in computer viruses. My experiments with computer viruses were having a detrimental effect on the stability of my own PC….”
“I’m confident that I can recover lost or unaccessible data from hard drives in all but the most complicated cases.”
QUOTE: “The author of the posts, whose name is being withheld by The Intercept, is a network specialist in the agency’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, according to other NSA documents.”
Why protect people like this? If they put their name to it within the NSA, then it should be enough to repeat it outside the NSA. INTERCEPT is simply aiding and abetting these arrogant government financed b*stards.
That has been the trouble with the obsequious actions of the NY Times, Washington Post, Guardian, etc. They don’t seem to realise it is detrimental to their stated cause. Who can really trust any of them if they accommodate the NSA?
The Intercept owes the US government no favours, nor does Greenwald after the Heathrow incident, so lets see some more single-digit signals to these people, it’s all they understand.
Even the Senate is beginning to realise they have a problem, which is feint beginning, and hopefully the Ron Wyden’s of Congress will prevail and demonstrate that these agencies are out of control.
The Senate has the power – it’s called M-O-N-E-Y.
Protect from you? If this person needs protection from you, then you have no business with his name. People like you show that Glenn has made the right choice.
The name is not important. This guy’s skillz are obsolete; he’s no doubt a dinosaur, close to 30 years old. The US government is in the business of aggressively prosecuting hackers and then offering them plea bargains to come and work for the NSA. So they have a steady stream of new talent. The guy who wrote this memo is probably now working somewhere else as a sysadmin. He’s the prey.
” INTERCEPT is simply aiding and abetting these arrogant government financed b*stards.”
Government financed? On April 15th, think where YOUR money is going.
Most people involved with secured networks know better than to use social media.
However their FAMILY do use social media. Women/wives luv FB. They are not so nearly so well trained and resent their SYS Admin husband from telling them how to follow good security practices.
Here is the USA the govt is actively spying on SYS Admin’s at work and home, all in real-time. This especially includes personal cell phones at work. No doubt defense contractors are quietly setting up Stingray cell tower spoofing at their facilities.
Al this will be largely used to find violations of company policy, like conducting personal business on your cell phone, while on company time.
Its ironic that the Chinese successfully stole the detailed design plans for virtually every USA major defense programs. I was there and no one cared. It seems the NSA could have prevented this trillion dollar theft, but choose not to. Like the CIA is great being above the law and accountable to no-one!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EYES_ON_SPIES?SITE=SCAND&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
That was strange, wasn’t it. Of course that didn’t stop the programs from being continued. And it provides the ready-made excuse to request funding for the next generation, because the current one is compromised…
This is a great idea. Can you ask the NSA if they plan to hold an open house session? Normally, I assume they would decline. But right now, they’re probably looking for ways to boost their image and might go along with it.
The NSA threw the doors open for 60Minutes last year in a sort-of open house. We were all introduced to whatever 12 year old ‘techie’ they just made a spy. Gak.
These super smart rubic-cube-playing tech ‘kids’ are not the problem. They still have spots.
*Experience matters. .. after 9/11 (at 17 yrs old?) the off-the-charts smart Snowden bought into Afghan/Iraq to extent he broke both legs trying ‘to do his part’ (**hell, even Greenwald, a practicing attorney in his mid-thirties, bought into the Afghanistan gobbledegook).
The episode with 60Min wasn’t an open house; it was a scripted performance. I was thinking more along the lines of opening the Utah Data Centre to the general public for a day and allowing them to wander about asking questions of the people working there.
System administrators and other IT professionals are the literal builders and keyholders to the internet. If an organization were to attempt to consolidate power through technical supremacy, it would serve them well to catalog and control (coerce, subvert, recruit) that pool of individuals whenever possible, as that group wields a majority of the positional advantage, as well as the technical know-how, to resist the efforts of a surveillance state. There was an interesting talk on this topic (with an intermittent surprise guest!) at 30c3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzhtGvSflEk
The blithe tone of this official makes me (surprisingly) hopeful that we’ve not yet reached this level of blatant, divide-and-conquer style of villainy, though the act of making that list is on the path.
“The author of the posts, whose name is being withheld by The Intercept …”
The author of the posts isn’t a confidential source. He or she is an evil-doer. Shame on The Intercept for intentionally hiding information of legitimate public interest.
Whats with the vindictive responses? “Evil-doer”? Your world must be so simple with its knights in shining Armour and Orcs so clearly defined. These problems are systemic, as in the general perception of how the government collects data is the problem. Not some individual doing his/her job (Albeit a job that ruins freedoms).
If you cannot get your mind even that far down the line you really are no better than the kid who doesn’t think about what hes doing working with the NSA.
PREACH
YOU are the problem Leyt. People with your mindset – to protect the perpetrators of evil at all cost – will need to be firmly dealt with before we can take our country back and re-align our laws with the constitution. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM LEYT.
The public interest in knowing the name of low-level NSA employee is almost zero. In fact, if it were published, then the MSM would be talking about this in very predictable ways.
Since when does anybody give two shits what the MSM is going to do? They’ll smear anything. Shit, if outing people makes them start reporting on it, isn’t that a good thing?
Oh sorry it sounds like you just don’t want this website “smeared.” Is that it? So who are you trying to protect? The author of this piece who should be doing his job in the first place and telling us what is in the docs and the people whose salaries WE are paying for? Anybody else? Maybe you just don’t want to see the NSA destroyed. Take everybody down, list everybody’s names. Let the shit hit the fan.
Oh god just think, the MSM will start reporting in “predictable” ways! Do you even hear yourself.
In other words, put them in harm’s way because you think they have it coming. The problem with this attitude is that it has often been used in contexts we later find horrific, when the storyline changes. Not always. There are historical examples where most people still agree some kind of harm-doing was justified, and maybe I’d agree with you in some contexts (if we were talking about a ring of Klan members running a child trafficking operation, for example), but it doesn’t strike me as fair in this one. I can’t know this person’s motivations for sure, but given the situation, there’s at least a very good chance this is someone who was sincerely trying to help others, just with a different set of risks (privacy concerns not chief among them) in mind. Personally, I’d prefer to live in a society where we’re not quick to throw each other under the bus, on either side of an issue.
Is it in the Public Interest to know the name of low level torturers? Or any other “low-level” criminal?
I’d say it is. That said, who ever wrote the attached document did not commit any crimes by writing a document for the NSA.
TI didn’t withhold the information; they withheld a name. I doubt you can shame Greenwald et al. They adhere to a relatively high standard of ethics.
Why are you providing cover for the NSA by withholding the person’s name? It’s unseemly to play both sides, makes you look like tools.
Is this what Snowden meant when he said your stash of documents is being shared with government “stakeholders?”
You do not need the name; go somewhere else, both of you.
SO true… personal revenge isn’t the darn issue! It isn’t about specific people this is a larger problem! NSA would love to just crucify some one lackey to get out of all this- especially if you silly barking dogs will be satisfied with such cheap meat.
Mike and Leyt: “Revenge” is not the issue here. This purports to be “reporting” that which is not disclosed in corporate “news”. So yes, Intercept, DO REPORT the name of the little sh^t. Big fkng deal.
The “lackeys” work for us. We pay their salaries. Who are you trying to protect?
Maybe a principle, such as not revealing your sources?
Imagine how the author feels, knowing his posts are being read by people all over the world, and also knowing that some people, people without the security clearance they so blindly believe protects them otherwise, know who they are and could connect their name to that information at any time.
Imagine how paranoid that person is going to be for as long as that information is held secret by the reporters and Snowden.
Now, do you still want the name, so that the person can get the hatemail over with? Or would you rather be satisfied knowing that the person will never again be able to drive home without looking over his or her shoulder at ever turn?
Do I believe their “Enemy of the State” tactics, of hacking people’s homes and lives just for being in the way, are reserved for non-American targets only?
As much as I believe they protect all OUR country’s people equally – instead of just those with money.
Besides, have they ever lied to us before…?
I am having trouble finding fault with these methods. If the NSA is indeed focusing on a valid target, and the aim is to get access to the necessary infrastructure, the sysadmin approach seems like a pretty good technique.
Having read all of these NSA posts, this just doesn’t strike me as very controversial. There is no evidence that they are abusing their authorities or spying on American sysadmins.
Also, for those of you outraged about NSA using the sysadmin path as a “means to an end,” don’t let the irony of your simultaneous condoning of Snowden’s own “means to an ends” actions hit you in the face.
@Nate: You were born too late.
You would have been right at home centuries ago telling the villagers that drowning those satan-worshipping witches didn’t cause them any harm, and that they would never ever suffer that fate (until they did).
Likewise, you could have been an administrator doling out punishments during the Spanish Inquisition as a person with your beliefs clearly has no remorse in harming others, especially the innocent.
Evolution (natural selection) continues to weed out people like you and deposits your dwindling numbers back into the primordial swamp.
I do believe that if Snowden or another insider reveals any NSA program that subverts human rights of innocent Americans, you will be first in line to claim that the NSA is just doing its job and we should expect any and all collateral damage. How does it feel being an apologist for the NSA? It appears that you are now “damaged goods”.
oh well, not every person is a human being as well. Some people yet have to learn what privacy is – and those living in their parents’ lairs simply cannot. So, don’t insult him, his only sin is being ignorant, after all. Not every person is able to look at the same problem from both perspectives, fortunately (and this is NOT sarcasm, since I genuinely believe we need such people as a reflection what the rest of sane world has to eliminate as their weakness).
Do you ever stop and read the stuff you type!? It’s completely over the top nothingness. You didn’t challenge a single thing I said or try to make any type of counterpoint-point. You took the insults route. Did that accomplish anything for you!? I am guessing you are incapable of having an intelligent discussion.
@Nate: And I quote “I am having trouble finding fault with these methods”.
You lack empathy for other humans. So did witch hunters and those responsible for the Spanish Inquisition. You believe that anyone can be thrown to the curb in your hunt for a “bad” guy. What you fail to see is that your belief system encourages a government where anything goes, i.e., a police state.
You profiled me as lacking empathy for other humans based on THAT statement!? Sign this guy up for the FBI!
You know nothing about my belief system, so don’t pretend you do. I don’t claim to know yours but then again, based on your comments, I really don’t care.
Valid target, my ass. They are building up a library of “stuff” on sys admins all over the world. They might tread a little carefully in the US, but they would not exclude our networks. This if fun for folks with self image problems, and there is no oversight.
Which will prove to be one of the more highly regrettable intrusions of privacy that NSA and their “Beavis & Butthead” lackeys have committed.
Posted by someone on twitter:
“Today 1000s of sysadmins woke up thinking “fuck you #NSA”. Pissed off wrong group of people”
Do we really care if they tread a bit more carefully in the US? If low wages can be globalized then why not rights? Innocent people should not be targeted for spying, whether or not they have an American passport.
I am stunned that no further mention was made in this article, or so far among comments, about this statement: “My end target is the extremist/terrorist or government official that happens to be using the network some admin takes care of.” That bit about the government official-as-surveillance-target should raise eyebrows, no? Not that I have any sympathy for them, but is this not a blatant admission that these spy programs are used to control the “decision makers”?
Any proof in this article that they’re abusing their legal authority or doing something morally reprehensible? Nope and nope. A program like TURBINE is one thing because it can be indiscriminate in its targeting, but targeting a system admin to get to a primary target makes sense. What if that’s the best method available?
Also, I don’t know about oversight of whatever program this falls under but there is no evidence in this post that there is “no oversight.” Is that a conclusion you made just based on indignation with the NSA or can you actually back that claim up!?
@Nate: Your role model appears to be Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, who declared:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”. And
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”
Your repeated requests for proof that the NSA is actually doing what their top secret presentations show in Large undeniable Print is characteristic of someone in abject denial. Spend some time viewing, reading and learning about the mostly secret activities of the NSA, CIA, DOJ, FBI and other three letter agencies that subvert the Constitutional rights of Americans. You can find your proof in perusing the suits, trials, and judgements filed by the ACLU, EFF, and individual Americans harmed by the national security agencies “the end justifies the means” approach.
Oh boy, here come the Nazi comparisons! You are a Fox News caliber commenter O can tell!
My request for evidence of illegality or abuse make me a propagandist? That almost makes an ounce of sense. Your solution is that I peruse ACLU and EFF lawsuits (something I have done), like their side is the true story. You have a lot of nerve to state I am a propagandist when you reject everything I say, don’t engage in any intelligent discussion, seemingly agree with every single viewpoint by TI, try to vilify me as some neo-nazi, are absolutist and consistently predictable in your rants. Do you really think your mind numbing platitudes are convincing or persuasive!? I sure hope not. You may be shielded by groupthink around here but elsewhere people like you are either partisan demagogues on cable news or are patently ignored.
If you don’t think it’s morally reprehensible to target innocent people for malware attacks, then you’re really at a different level of moral and ethical awareness than what I would consider a decent individual, and there’s basically no point in arguing with you. That’s because we’re no longer arguing about facts, but about what’s right and wrong, which you don’t seem to have an adequate sense of.
You’re just sucking up to Zelda again trying to get another gold star.
The evidence is simply being withheld form the American public under the premise that it is important for “national security” or better yet preventing the American public from knowing how corrupt and terrible these intelligence institutions really are. There is even less evidence that their tactics are effective. Of course they will just lie to you and tell you they are….They have no respect for American citizens, veterans, etc.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Judge-orders-FBI-to-explain-withholding-records-5327676.php?cmpid=hpts
I guess in a perfect world with a Utopian government you might be right, but consider all of this was done completely secretly and then follow that thought line to the end. What happens when this kind of information is in malicious hands? Imagine the power of a truly fascist government with this much knowledge of its people?
If you cannot think of a single law that you don’t agree with or that perhaps need adressing then maybe, maybe, you are right. If you believe in political action of any kind, and have any knowledge of the historical political process, you should be concerned about the “building of a database”
The risk of abuse from future presidencies is completely legitimate, I agree with that. What I disagree with is that that slippery slope argument should result in our doing nothing. First, the NSA has been doing this type of stuff for years and we haven’t become a tyrannical government. Second, things are better than they used to be when these agencies had virtually zero oversight. I mean before the Church Committee when their was no FISA court, no Inspector General, no congressional oversight. Some of the Snowden revelations have revealed serious issues that need to be corrected or result in program termination. But I disagree with this example. What law is it breaking? Is it indiscriminate? Is it being abused? We don’t know enough about it based on a forum post.
Thirdly, there seems to be an assumption around here that we are the only country using these kinds of tactics. Context is shockingly absent. Do the Chinese have their own list of U.S. Sysadmins? Does the US do anything to protect its own?
As for the “building of a database,” if we were to learn they focused these efforts in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, China, Russia, etc. would it be the controversy some of you are trying to make it? The knee jerk reactions around here are counterproductive to conversation that isn’t just focused on confirming biases and raging.
This seems entirely irrelevant, and it’s really a ridiculous argument if you think about it. It’s as if a government is accused of corruption, as most are, and then defends itself by saying “but look over there: they do it too!”
When an article is published about Chinese spying practices, you can go there and defend the Chinese government because they are simply doing their job, or do whatever it is you think would be appropriate in that case. For now, that’s off-topic.
False equivalence. You use the word corruption to indicate a wrongdoing when you haven’t proved one occurred. You call this irrelevant but it’s the only part of my comment you focused on.
1(a) is incorrect. The NSA hasn’t “been doing this type of stuff for years;” only since 9/11 have they felt empowered to go on such a spree of collection of domestic data. In any event, the fact that they have been doing something for years is an argument against them, because what they were doing is illegal. 1(b) is clearly debatable; I think Manning, Snowden, Kiriakou, and many many others might beg to differ.
But as we now know, that “oversight” was useless. The FISA Court was just a rubber stamp; they routinely lie to Congress. Inspector General reports are suppressed. What we have is the illusion of oversight.
There are months and months of posts, news stories, books…more than adequate evidence showing that the NSA did break the law, was indiscriminate, and did abuse their authority. To claim otherwise at this point is just to deny reality.
Completely irrelevant.
The only thing that has changed is the scope of their actions. Also, technically this has gone on before 9/11. The whole Trailblazer versus Thinthread predates 9/11, and is a reflection of technological changes. However I have no doubts that 9/11 expedited its efforts.
Back in the 60s they did exactly the same shit, just with older methods. For example, in Body of Secrets by James Bamford:
This is almost exactly what is in the contents of this article. The point was, they have been doing this for over 50 years and it hasn’t yet been a slippery slope to authoritarianism.
So hacking into the Belgian telecommunications company Belgacom is justified in your mind? What an authoritarian you are.
Really?????
Consider changing your occupation.
You have exposed yourself.
I award you a 10/10 on originality. The “NSA shill” route, brilliant!!!
Cuz fuck other peoples’ opinions right!?
@Nate: You definitely have a monopoly on your opinions. Your life must be depressingly tough being the only one playing in your sandbox. Hopefully, you are receiving remuneration for your failing efforts in swaying others to your belief system.
Only a person who has lost touch with reality, like you, would cheer for and support secretive national security agencies that collect and store everything about our private communications and our comings and goings. I have less hope for you recognizing reality than I have for a creationist accepting natural selection (evolution).
Nate, you don’t have opinions, you have an Agenda.
You ignore any and all facts that contradict your Agenda. You really need to find a place where you can spout your opinions in support of your Agenda. I suggest you return home to the NSA where your opinions will be welcome.
Tell me more Jim, what is my agenda!? Please include evidence!!
Nate, a great many of your posts disparage other people’s opinions. Regards
Let’s see you back this claim up.
Kill The EMPIRE – SAVE The Republic!
Open Letter to Team Intercept…
I am a believer in coming to the table with solutions – not just complaining about problems. I have been praying on this every night – when these thoughts popped into my head. I was praying for Edward Snowden (and ALL Whistleblowers) –AND- for Glenn & your team of journalists –AND- I am pissed off that I am not seeing these revelations being reported on any relevant media in any form (TV, radio, print, digital).
The media is censoring your work – with the full cooperation and protection from the governments involved – our privacy rights are being stripped – and it’s not just related to your reporting. It’s everything from the environment, big energy, political contributions, the world food supply, Wall Street, the military industrial complex, prison profiteering … just to name a few. There are so many I am disgusted as a member of the human race and as an “earthling”. Where is this all headed???
May I humbly suggest the formation of a (for lack of a better word) “United Nations” of journalists, media, the ACLU (again, lack for a better word), and technology leaders who operate as the watchdogs ensuring complete transparency and accountability (and ensuring severe consequences) over:
1. Governments: (sensitive to “true” national security issues)
2. Media: The Akre ruling has allowed mainstream media to legally lie – and they do it to serve their financial & politically agendas. Lies in every aspect of the media are obscene and are perpetrated with complete impunity – it has degraded every aspect of society and is operating as an extension of the government. It’s adulterated and bastardized everything from “news” to “celebrity” journalism to “reality” tv. There needs to be a clear understanding between journalism and entertainment … and age appropriateness needs to be taken into consideration.
3. Whistleblowers: Providing a single, global, anonymous avenue for reporting and protection/legal representation for government, military, & corporate whistleblowing.
4. Technology: Ensuring constitutional privacy rights (or any sovereign nations laws) are being followed to protect individuals rights from being legislated and/or blackmailed away by the government(s). This covers everything from the NSA on down to revenge porn.
I am neither a lawyer nor am I college educated. I’m sure I could’ve worded my thoughts more clearly – But I am confident you get my drift. And I know for a fact that if Mr. Omidyar sees any value in my idea the sky is the limit. You could take my little idea and turn it into something that will stand for everything I see you standing up for. You people make things happen. You people fight against any and every effort to silence you (when allowed). Your work must be used as a catalyst to right all that is wrong with 1-4. I have been following all your hard work and I refuse to believe a solution is impossible. I believe all whistleblowers should be exonerated and compensated – especially when the media and governments are hunting them down and silencing them. I believe the truly guilty parties deserve criminal punishment and financial consequences must be paid. I believe in all this because I believe in everything you’re doing. And I believe in God. And I know for a fact he believes in you all too.
Thank you for hearing me out. I will keep praying for you no matter what. God bless you, your loved ones and all your hard work … and may all the dirty little fingers Vaya Con Dios!
“I am a believer in coming to the table with solutions – not just complaining about problems.” Which is why it is up to us to change to the world. No one is coming to save us. Even Omidyar is useless. Nothing will get done unless we do it ourselves.
We need more people to learn about laws and computer science. We need to change the laws and build better solutions. Nothing will change, unless we do it ourselves. It is up to us!
You are expecting a change in the supply of free market product without accepting the reality of the demand. Mass media tends to provide what the most people want. The job of disseminating this sort of information falls on you. You must establish the websites and accounts that can spread the information. You must create the zombie accounts that facilitate the echo chamber. You must do that. If you do not, the “censorship” will win. Establishment journalists are not interested in disseminating information. They are interested in cocktail parties with powerful people, and money. Most can only gain access to those things by playing the game as it has been taught to them, within the boundaries the game allows. They do not value your knowledge above their own personal success. They do not care about you. They never, ever, ever will. This is the way of the world, and it is only those who do something about themselves who will make a difference. Waiting for others to do so can provide a sense of misguided hope, so if that’s all you are interested in, you need do nothing. Hope doesn’t necessarily ever have to go away. But if you prefer reality to delusion, you must either act yourself, as Glenn and Edward and the small group of others like them have done, or you must accept that nothing is going to change. Motivations are what matter, and motivations for most people are simple and basic. The motivations of most in mass media are simple and basic, and will never change. They are simply replaceable parts that will do as they are told, like White House spokespersons. They don’t serve a useful function in the world. They serve power. Those who have picked a team in the fight serve only that team. The rare few who serve truth exist on the margins, where personal gain is more difficult to see. The rest of us either participate or hold out delusional hope for change that will not come. That choice is entirely yours.
“I am not seeing these revelations being reported on any relevant media in any form (TV, radio, print, digital). The media is censoring your work…”
Amy Goodman (alone?) has been doing a good job reporting just about every Intercept report. This Monday she had Ryan Gallagher on to discuss the malware piece.
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/17/snowden_docs_expose_how_the_nsa
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/13/headlines#3133
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/18/headlines#2181
@barncat… for sure Democracy Now, TYT, and I’m starting to see more on BBC World News and PBS Newshour. I watch those … but would you agree that “we” are the exception? None of mainstream media is covering these revelations… and cable news is polluted with pundits and their personal/professional/corporate/political/financial agendas. My feeling is that what is being reported here – and on a very narrow scale outside this site – needs to be in every “news” program … but the Akre ruling guarantees censorship. Freedom of speech is becoming extinct. I enjoy reading your comments regularly … thanks for responding.
@ElB
Well, you expressed yourself pretty well. Maybe some of your ideas may somehow take root. At least you’re thinking – and praying. I also firmly believe in prayer. Do keep up both.
As you and others post or posit some ideas – it may inspire others and we may get some things going. We must indeed keep working on solutions, that’s for sure!
@feline16 … thank you so much. I have been so spitting mad and losing sleep over this entire situation – mostly for the whistleblowers themselves, secondly for ourselves as citizens. Fortunately I’ve got some very good work history that was a little rusty and needed to be loosened up a bit. I know there are many opportunities for people who are believers like you and me to use our imagination, creativity, and faith to help prevent this from ever happening again. Because it’s just he right thing to do. Blessings to you….
This article wasn’t very damning in my opinion. You think the Chinese and Russians don’t target our folks? Of course they do. This is just an eye behind the curtain. I’d love to see the same view behind our competitor’s curtains. I wonder what itwwould look like. Comments about the hacker convention were funny too. Not surprising though. I wouldn’t come out in the open like that if I were a good hacker. Like the FBI/CIA/NSA don’t have folks there gathering intel. That’s asking to get caught IMO.
Ah, but the US condemns the Chinese and Russians for targeting “our folks”. Don’t you find that just a wee tad hypocritical?
My guess is that it would look like anything else having to do with security paranoia, belligerence and imperialism. Compare, for example, military spending, number of people killed by each country in the last 50 years, number of foreign military bases, number of countries invaded, funding used to influence the politics of foreign countries. In essence, anything Russia and China are doing would look like child’s play, with Russia looking somewhat more imperialistic than China, but still not even close to the US.
Not to mention that “others are doing it too” is a useless and childish argument.
Presumably many are aware of the report in the Guardian today, wherein Yahoo is said to be moving its European Operations to Dublin, Ireland, to avoid have to comply with GCHQ requests for details on users…
Take a look at that odious creature Theresa May, in the photograph…
See excerpt and link:
Theresa May summoned the internet giant Yahoo for an urgent meeting on Thursday to raise security concerns after the company announced plans to move to Dublin where it is beyond the reach of Britain’s surveillance laws.
By making the Irish capital rather than London the centre of its European, Middle East and Africa operations, Yahoo cannot be forced to hand over information demanded by Scotland Yard and the intelligence agencies through “warrants” issued under Britain’s controversial anti-terror laws.
Yahoo has had longstanding concerns about securing the privacy of its hundreds of millions of users – anxieties that have been heightened in recent months by revelations from the whistleblower Edward Snowden.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/20/theresa-may-yahoo-dublin-security-worry
Therein lies the key.
It really is quite simple.
If a corporation is allowing backdoor access in cooperation with the NSA, then consumers have an option to NOT use their products. For example:
Don’t use Microsoft or Apple Operating Systems.
Don’t buy machines that force Operating Systems.
Don’t buy Intel processors.
Don’t use Yahoo, Google, or Bing search engines. etc. etc. etc.
The bottom line is: If you want to stay in business, then get out of “Spying” business.
The best defense is a good offense.
It just amazes me how many people can deny evidence shown right before their own eyes. I am a American, born in the state of Indiana. I truly do feel for all of the hundreds of thousands of people who lost their lives due to my country’s actions. I feel badly for all the pain and suffering we have caused. The more I learn, the more I feel truly sick of being an American. Our greed and imperialism knows no bounds. Ever since WWI and the risk of the Kaiser causing wealthy American bankers losing the wealth they loaned to Great Britain and France. We have been on a non-stop tyranny. Few if any know that major companies in the US made major financial agreements with the Nazis. We gave them arms, vehicles, you name it, ignoring the holocaust entirely. We are the only country ever to use a nuclear weapon in combat. We attacked ourselves to instigate Vietnam’s conflict. We faked evidence to engage in unjustified war of aggression against Iraq. Time and time again, we have caused more pain, more suffering, and more anger, than anyone from any other country has ever done to us. I really do wish I could do something, anything, to attempt to atone for my country’s actions. Sadly, there is little I can do. I am poor and am permanently disabled. That leaves me few options. I can only say that I wish other country’s would start to work together to stand up to us. The wealthy elite need to be put into their place, and be put under the same laws, rules, and regulations law places on the rest of us. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush Jr., and Obama, all need put on trial for war crimes. Similarly to what happened decades ago with Ma Bell being broken apart due to the communications monopoly that existed, needs to be done to banks and major financial companies. We used to have the misconception that we were the “good guys” and “#1″ in the world. Sadly that is far from the truth. We jail more people than all other countries combined. We spend more money on defense than the top 20 counties beneath us do collectively. We don’t even rank in the top 20 in education or press freedom. I try to offer what support I can to anyone I can in anyway that I know of. I just wish I could do more and that more could be done.
Thank you for expressing your understandings and feelings for our country’s decline from being the “good” guy to now being the world community acknowledged “BAD” guy. We have fallen so far in the last sixty years and our fall has accelerated since 9/11.
My father, a WWII veteran, if alive today, would be as disgusted as I am with how the United States has declined into tyranny with our freedom, liberty and privacy being attacked and thwarted by our very own government.
Yes…but underpinning this is, sadly, the idea that the USA was ever doing anything differently. I mean…it started as it meant to go on by pillaging and murdering. The American Dream was never other than a nightmare.
Amen.
Michael, the US really isn’t acting very differently to any other empire in history, they’ve all been built on cruelty and violence, so don’t take on the sins of the US as a personal responsibility. You say you feel you can’t contribute much because you’re poor and disabled. The most important thing any of us can do right now is learn, educate ourselves and then others online and in the real world. The hard part is getting others to understand what’s at stake here. People are receptive to different arguments and tactics. Most of them just want to be entertained, so entertain them as you’re educating them. But work out the most effective way to get your information across, that is the most important step you can take.
Friend,
Yeah well….the truth is that this “control grid” extends beyond the United States. This truly is an “Elite” effort to gain control of all of creatures, particularly humanity, on Planet Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEydmE57Vew (Three Cities Rule The World)
Given that scope, humanity, in launching opposition, should target the International Elite so to speak.
Follow the money trail. At the end….there is the target.
It was Christ Jesus who said “Take the log out of your own eye before you take the speck out of your neighbor’s eyes”. Few debates ever bring up introspection. Its always “We are God’s special group, we are always right. We could never do wrong”. Thank God for awareness.
what about those admins that administer systems globally, such as an American who administers servers wordwide?
Facebook, Google (gmail), Microsoft (Hotmail, Outlook.com) seem to be the preferred entry points for NSA malware implants.
Hopefully, the Guardian, NYT, and other main stream media will emphasize these monstrous NSA hacking activities in tie-in articles based on reporting by The Intercept.
Interesting. Gallagher and Maass have chosen not to name the person who posted to the NSA’s internal message board, but the individual is no less identified. S/he certainly recognizes his/her own words. Doubtless others who read the originals, can also identify the NSA official who wrote them. I wonder what that feels like for that NSA official and his/her colleagues to read them here.
I keep thinking of that old domestic abuse maxim. It goes something like: The asshole never beats her in the bar or other public place … he waits until he gets her home or somewhere out of sight. He knows his behavior would be condemned. He can claim that he was just drunk, but notice that he moves the pummeling to where it can’t be witnessed. He knows better.
So, I do wonder what it’s like to read your own arrogant, condescending, chest thumping, self-aggrandizing boasts in a public venue. And, I wonder if this morally challenged cretin throwing confetti on themselves is as impressive to his/her colleagues now, as they were then… or, even if some at the time thought the strutting and preening might be less than consistent with the mission.
I wonder how that NSA official would rationalize and justify themselves were they to appear in these threads.
C’mon you gloating, internet tough guy/gal … what say you, now?
Very well said, TallyHoGazehound.
The author of NSA documents arrogant, repulsive actions and what might result from this article bring to mind the outcome of the equally arrogant Aaron Barr. Here is an article about what became of him which goes into more detail than what many of us read back when Anonymous brought the hammer down on Aaron Barr and HBGary just as Barr had convinced himself that he had “pwned” anonymous.
Mr. Gallagher and Mr. Moss
“…….It is unclear how precise the NSA’s hacking attacks are or how the agency ensures that it excludes Americans from the intrusions……. suggesting a lack of certainty in the process……. But the employee’s posts make no mention of any measures that might be taken to prevent hacking the computers of Americans who work as sys admins for foreign networks. Without such measures……..”
“Suggesting” and “unclear” are hardly damning adjectives to describe your knowledge of the “illegal” activities of the NSA,. You are speculating without any apparent supporting evidence.
“……“Up front, sys admins generally are not my end target. My end target is the extremist/terrorist or government official that happens to be using the network some admin takes care of.”…..”
Seems reasonable to me. That is one of the primary functions of the NSA.
Yes, CraigSummers, let’s just let anyone who can breech everyone’s privacy in order to reach some as yet unspecified, unknown, speculated upon, possible or imaginable threat.
First, we let the NSA into your computer without your knowledge or for any specific reason.
That’s akin to letting the cops trespass into your yard, your garage, your kitchen, your bedroom and your bathroom,and your spouse while you’re still in there, but somehow you not knowing they are there – all to reach some terrorist that they haven’t even identified as being a risk to your safety – or even if that terrorist exists at all.
What a massive disconnect from rationality.
Let’s assume that in fact they only go after sysadmins in foreign countries. You don’t think willfully violating the privacy of innocent people, not even suspected of any wrongdoing, and targeting them with malware, is completely demented?
Further, you seem to think that one of the primary functions of the NSA is to target “extremists.” According to dictionary.com, an extremist is…
1. a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters.
2. a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.
Basically, any anti-establishment person who advocates radical action might be considered extremist. So let me ask you: Do you actually agree with this sociopathic behavior, or is it that you have absolutely no regard for the rights of others?
‘……..Do you actually agree with this sociopathic behavior, or is it that you have absolutely no regard for the rights of others?…….”
Overall, this article is much ado about nothing – or should that be “little ado about nothing”? The authors don’t disclose what systems administrator is being targeted and why (possibly because the information is too sensitive?). In addition, the article doesn’t point out anything illegal – just that some innocent people might be used to gain access to their main target (extremists/terrorists and governments). That seems reasonable, for example, in the case where the target might be a systems administrator for a Chinese Defense contractor. According to Wikipedia,
“……..The NSA is tasked with the global monitoring, collection, decoding, translation and analysis of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, including surveillance of targeted individuals in U.S. territory. The agency is authorized to accomplish its mission through clandestine means,[9] among which are bugging electronic systems[10] and allegedly engaging in sabotage through subversive software.[11][12] The NSA is also responsible for the protection of U.S. government communications and information systems.[13]…….”
The description covers a broad range of possible activities related to foreign and domestic adversaries. God, I’ll bet Ukraine wishes they had a better intelligence system. Oh…..it was under the auspices of a Russian puppet.
Thanks Jose
Since targeting sys admins in the US would be perceived as beneficial for this part of their purpose, of course they do. It is also a lot of fun. Yes, it is illegal. A private individual doing a tiny fraction of what they do faces 30 years in jail if caught. But, you say, it is OK because they are the government. No, it is not. This level of monitoring requires specific judicial intervention, and they do not have that.
“……Since targeting sys admins in the US would be perceived as beneficial for this part of their purpose, of course they do………..This level of monitoring requires specific judicial intervention, and they do not have that……”
You are making a big assumption in which this article supplies no answer. Does the NSA go through the FISA Court to obtain a warrant to hack an American Systems Administrator if the NSA wanted to obtain information about an individual in a company that might be involved in espionage (for example) even if the Systems Administrator himself wasn’t involved.
The write-up explains what they are thinking in some detail: Basically, they detect anyone who’s using telnet, assume they are probably a sysadmin, and the goal is to build a database of all likely sysadmin IPs. Later, when they want to target a network, they attack the sysadmin.
This is quite remarkable. I know for a fact that IT companies, including those in the US, employ sysadmins and developers from all over the world who happen to use telnet on a regular basis.
As to end targets, we already know what they might be, from other revelations: companies like Petrobras, elected heads of state like Merkel and Dilma, people who visit the Wikileaks website, activists that associate with Anonymous, and Muslims who are not suspected of any wrongdoing but who oppose US foreign policy (who are targeted by investigating their online sexual habits.)
Of course, to the Craig Summers of the world, this is all perfectly fine. The rights of others are not as important as gaining advantage in the world, or reducing the risk of his being the victim of a terrorist attack by 0.00001%.
Ah, there you are Admiral Summers! I thought you might be busy looking for that Malaysian plane. Where is it?
“………Ah, there you are Admiral Summers! I thought you might be busy looking for that Malaysian plane. Where is it?……”
There are lots of intelligence agencies working on this problem. The only one I haven’t heard mentioned was Russia. I guess Russian intelligence was too busy ensuring that the Nazis in Ukraine didn’t over run the Crimean Peninsula. It’s on RT in case you are interested.
Thanks
The irony is almost too thick to cut. Imagine, NSA targeting sys admins because they have the keys to the kingdom. Lets see, where have we seen a sys admin use network access to gather data and expose wrongdoing? Talk about pwned. Thank you Ed, we are in your debt.
Old news!
ACLU video Meet Jack about the next steps of a possible future. Good to send to those who are not concerned with spying on them – they have nothing to hide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTWOL_U-OMg
I have for awhile wondered about the psychological makeup of the NSA employees and why they would seel out their fellow Americans. This document clarifies the isssue. Pownage, skillz, yay, and throws confetti in the air really makes it easy to see that they have recruited imature young people straaight out of their mothers basement. These young hackers are delighted to have a job that isn’t McDonald’s and have little to no understanding of the implications of what is being done.
That sounds about right. Good thing this breeds incompetence and stupidity into the organizations.
What really scares me is the prospect of them not hiring anyone they don’t have “dirt” on so that they can blackmail or corrupt their own employees. That’s in addition to what they likely already do with politicians today. A decade of GPS data is scary because they can tell which congress critters were doing coke with which celebrities, and who they were cheating on their spouses with.
Hmmm…
“extremist/terrorist or government official”… there’s a difference, anymore? And I don’t think he’s making a distinction of what ‘official’, whether foreign or domestic. That’s the skeery part.
Targeting foreign officials is questionable in itself, because it can be presumed that in the vast majority of cases, they do it to influence the politics of other countries. This is an entirely undemocratic practice that likely affects entire populations. (Of course, they do that in other ways too, like with NED funding.)
Sysadmins are among the most helpful and honest people I’ve ever dealt with in my career (many years in IT, software engineering). If they weren’t the world would down in flames by now. This guy who brags about “pwning” them, acting like a tough guy of superior intelligence, or something… he’s not pwning anyone. He doesn’t win. He cheats. And he’s not a hacker, much as he loves to imitate them. He’s not a black, white or gray hat. He’s the man.
When you have unrepentent bold face liars Michael Hayden and Keith B. Alexander in charge you can see how attitudes like this prevail in the NSA. Trampling over our Constitutional rights is an everyday occurence for them apparently. Like Edward Snowden said they could benefit our nation more by actually focusing on terrorists instead of wasting their tax payer budgeted dollars looking into innocent, law abiding citizens lives. I have come to the conclusion that the NSA views us (U.S. citizens) as the bad guys being as they expend so much effort and money collecting our metadata unconstitutionally.They see us as a threat. Is it because U.S. citizens are armed to the teeth and that may be the only thing holding them back from imposing a dictatorship? With their recent all out assault on investigative journalism (the assasination of Michael Hastings) you can plainly see they are preparing for a complete takeover. When Dianne Feinstein thinks it is ok for the NSA to surveil us but it is just not ok for them to do it to her , that tells you how broke our elected system is and truly needs to be fixed.Hitler took his peoples guns , silenced his media and we all know what happened next. Is history repeating itself? Wake up people and speak while you still can! Thank you Edward Snowden, Thank You Intercept for keeping us informed of the criminal acts performed by our government.
the US-admin and their Trojan Horse named ‘democracy & freedom’ …
It is worth reading the original posts in full (or just skip some of the technical details). If you think Ryan and Peter are exaggerating how despicable this person is, well, they are not.
Of course there are other avenues open to the NSA if they want to mess with sys admins. Pressure could be brought to bear on them by poisoning the viability of their business or job; unfounded claims could be made to ruin their reputation; financial pressure could be ramped up as well. What’s the value to the spooks of a controllable sys admin? With enough inducement, they could get physically into places that the spies can’t.
I wondered about these sorts of things when I was writing a series of short stories for my blog about an activist group that was interested in nothing more subversive than to find ways to make government more responsive to its flesh and blood constituents. But as we’ve learned, with enough innocent data about someone, it’s possible to construct a damning narrative. In the story called “Double Agent”, a rookie trainee who had done field work to learn about the organization decided to watch their back instead of putting a knife into it. I have to wonder if there are employees or contractors in the various intelligence agencies that are treading such thin ice in real life?
I’m thinkin’ of two. One’s in prison and one’s stuck in Russia.
I’m sure there’s others still working and just haven’t come out. Yet.
The goverment of the US is also called “the administration”, right?
No.
The Government is that nameless, faceless bureaucracy, operating in the Halls of System Redundancy.
The “administration” is the current executive and his administrators.
The “System Administrator”, would be the President.
That, is pretty funny.
What a waste of taxpayers money. This is an agency over awed by technology to the point of “let’s do it because we can.” thinking. The lack of real national security threat detection and counter-intelligence seems to be a sideline business for the boys with their new toys. Why don’t they do something useful and neutralize real threats that cost Americans billions of dollars in downtime and costly repair services, namely spyware, viruses, ransomware, and other malicious software. And put more people on developing effective defenses on American networks including government networks so the Chinese and other parties can’t access them like kids walking into a candy store. Malfeasance and criminal dereliction of duty is how I would describe NSA’s misuse of taxpayer’s money.
Hey, LiberalinCalif. I really agree with your comment. This was a really good article. Do you, or the authors, know if the “skillz” the NSA is using are imposing real costs (like the other hackers you referenced) on US firms, or even foreign firms that are not doing anything wrong? It’s very troubling that a branch of the government is so unsupervised. Taking information is bad, but the equivalent of cutting glass and breaking an alarm system also means that someone else has to clean up the damage. Am I mistaken?
This story hits closer to our daily lives. Beware the arrogant guy with skillz.
He cheats. That’s not “skillz”
The NSA staff person whose posts are quoted in the above article gets my vote for Complete Loser of 2014. Get a freaking life.
I couldn’t get past the first few paragraphs without bile rising in my throat. Please publish the name of the amoral, anti-ethical, and childishly Machiavellian author of this ASAP.
Then let the system admins of the world express their (and our) collective outrage in a sustained Ddos attack against this individual and the agency he represents.
I’m also infuriated. This is not a joke at all. Time for us to get organized and find lawyers who want to defend our right to earn an honest living without having our constitutional rights suspended for that.
This is the obvious way any hacker would approach breaking into a network. All the alternatives I can think of are much more costly and carry their own ethical and legal problems. The NSA does not have some kind of magic wand they can use to break into systems (and if they did, they would have to be very, very cautious about using it, lest they reveal its method of operation).
The fact they feel *entitled* to complete access everywhere, at will and at their discretion, is where this reasoning falls apart…
When has “This is ok because that’s the only way they can do what they want” become a valid argument over something’s legality (nevermind *legitimacy*)? I’m hearing it all over the place about governments’ abuses and overreach.
The phone data collection & storage? => Question is ‘who keeps it’, never ‘should it be done’.
The use of terrorism exception rules in the UK to stop and detain D. Miranda? => *official ruling* was “it was abusive alright, but it’s ok because the legal ways wouldn’t have allowed what they wanted to do.”
You probably don’t follow (or care about? :þ) French affairs, but some examples there too.
It always comes back to the same point: don’t question the end, then justify the means by obvious and absolute necessity to reach that end… :/
wow, we’re a long way from Matt Damon’s Good Will Hunting rant … the sneering arrogance of the NSA author/presenter here is palpable. Somehow the tone seems analogous to what in my mind is the comparison to the muck-raking real journalists of bygone days with the current crop of subservient douchecanoes that inhabit the industry today (tip of the hat to Glenn and Omidyar’s project here for being the exceptions). Where are all the geeks who want to stand for the constitution rather than subvert it? Here’s a big SCREW YOU to the “IT professionals” at the NSA willing to shred whatever semblance of a constitution we still have…..
There cannot be any doubt now that electing stupid and incompetent leaders, particularly the last Bush President, inevitably leads to this downward spiral of continuing to make poor choices and bad decisions based on no actual data at all.
Hired by anti-intellectuals, and fueled by deceitful practices that have no basis in an ethical legal framework, these monkeys are running the zoo; and the zookeepers are out to lunch.
“Hey Barry, it’s Mark again… We need to talk about something -“
But it’s legal! Yea, never mind that this is incredibly sociopathic.
Interesting. A lot of teenage computer nerd slang. This post is simultaneously comforting and saddening. Comforting that they seem to actually give a damn about targeting innocents, saddening in that sys admins world wide now have reason to fear being targeted. If not by the NSA, then by another Intel agency using similar tactics.
Is it scarier that the NSA is apparently run by a bunch of twenty-something hackers with too much time on their hands?
Truthfully, that is the scariest thing.
They have no common sense.
They have no logic, or reasoning, nor cognitive skills or rationale.
For phuckssake, we are doomed!
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