Tonight, Barack Obama will explain to the American people his plans to “degrade and destroy” the self-proclaimed Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. The problem is, America’s incomprehensible and contradictory policy toward ISIS makes that goal impossible.
Thus far, U.S. hopes against ISIS have been pinned on the group’s most palatable enemies: The Iraqi Army, Kurdish Peshmerga, and more moderate Syrian rebels. While those groups have not been defeated, their position today is weaker than ever. As such, some cooperation with America’s ostensible enemies in the Iranian military will likely be necessary to any plan to defeat the Islamic State.
Obama’s non-Iranian options look particularly bleak after yesterday’s shocking assassination of one of Syria’s top anti-ISIS rebel commanders and dozens of his lieutenants. The commander, Hassan Abboud, was killed in an explosion during an underground meeting. So many members of his group, Ahrar al-Sham, were killed in the explosion that it’s now unclear whether it will continue to exist and provide a key counterweight to ISIS. Ahrar al-Sham was one of the best organized Syrian opposition factions aside from ISIS.
The loss of Abboud and his lieutenants only underlines the need for a reset of U.S. policy in the region. While American politicians have cast ISIS as a mortal threat to their country, the group’s primary conflict today is not with the United States — even if ISIS’s horrific beheadings of U.S. citizens served the group’s propaganda goals, and even if America’s catastrophic military adventurism facilitated its creation and ascendance.
No, ISIS’s real focus today is on expanding its territory by combating regional governments — Iraq and Syria at the moment — and by fending off rival militias. And it turns out this has done wonders for relations within the Middle East. For the first time in three years, the interests of Iran, Turkey, Syria, Qatar and Iraq are all aligned towards stifling the existential threat posed by the radical insurgency of ISIS. Even the Iranian and Saudi governments — normally bitter rivals — are seeking to set aside their differences to confront this rising danger.
Within this new political alignment lies Obama’s best hope for the military defeat of ISIS. The future of Abboud’s group is in doubt, the much-vaunted Kurdish Peshmerga has never mounted a successful offensive operation in its history, and the U.S-trained Iraqi Army has demonstrated its combat effectiveness by literally running at the sight of ISIS advances in Mosul. But there’s one party that has demonstrated both a willingness and ability to combat ISIS: Iran.
Iran’s effectiveness against the group was put on dramatic display when forces it funded and guided broke an ISIS siege of the Iraqi town of Amerli. Following that incident the U.S. even said it was open to “engaging Iranians” against ISIS.
Obama would face formidable political hurdles in pushing through such an alliance, both at home and in Iraq, where even limited coordination with Iran could easily be seen as taking sides in a sectarian conflict. But working with Iran would allow the White House to both avoid putting U.S. ground forces in play, a step it has called unnecessary, and to have some hope of actually winning the battle.
Then there’s Syrian dictator Bashar Assad to deal with. The White House has said “we’re not interested in trying to help the Assad regime,” but that’s exactly what defeating ISIS, Assad’s most effective military adversary, would do. Arguments to the contrary, like the idea that destroying ISIS would somehow harm Assad’s government, are delusional.
Assad’s foes may have found a solution. The Syrian political opposition is believed to have engaged in talks with Iran focused on getting Assad to acquiesce to a gradual, staged transition from power. Such an outcome wouldn’t bring Assad to justice for war crimes committed by his government, nor would it satisfy the American demand for his immediate ouster. But it would allow all major parties in the region to rally around the shared objective of fighting the Islamic State. The interests of mainstream Sunnis and Shias would be aligned against a radical group that rejects them both, potentially reducing the sectarian polarization that has been wreaking havoc throughout the region.
By pressing for such a resolution, Obama can unravel some of the contradictions in American policy that make meaningfully combating ISIS impossible. Refusing even limited cooperation with Assad or Iran on principle while maintaining close relations with murderous governments in Egypt, Israel and Iraq, is both contradictory and inimical to the objective of defeating ISIS.
Rather than reflexively satisfying an emotional need to “do something” in the face of atrocities committed by ISIS against American citizens, a policy of coalition-building across ideological lines could potentially eliminate the group and perhaps begin to heal sectarian divisions in the region. Obama’s speech tonight offers a prime opportunity to articulate a pragmatic, effective strategy. If ISIS is really the apocalyptic threat that U.S. politicians have made it out to be, such pragmatism is absolutely necessary. American policy on this issue has so far been both incomprehensible and counterproductive. But by bringing all major parties to one side against ISIS, something positive may be salvaged from it yet.
Photo: Washington Post/Getty Images


The 30-40 commanders killed belonged indeed to the better fighters and were quite resourceful in hijacking weapons and food storehouses from the original FSA supreme command last year ..and split from them..they lead at time of of this decapitation approx 20-30k fighters..still alive and who very likely are now part of the mutual non aggression pact and are directing efforts agains assad..which changes the equation..
Exactly how are the flights into syria supposed to distinguish these “moderates infused alongside Isis? Even the Israels have done an about face and keeping them out.
So I am curious exactly what the 2700 as reported in Bloomberg..sorties done before the Obama speech were really all about .some hummers and trucks..yet not one Tank .over 800 men on ground with lasers pointers..and not one tank taken out..and Iran and Syria suddenly left out against an existential threat to them…what is wrong with this picture?
Mossad Director of Intelligence, Uzi Arad, is Facebook friends with “ISIS” beheaded “journalist” Steven Sotloff
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=753835291322292
As sensible as cooperation with Iran seems to reasonable people, It is no more likely to happen than the punishment of Israel for its crimes against Palestine. Whether the American regime has any actual goals or not hardly matters, because it effectively disrupts any nation it contacts – including its own.
“It is characteristic that the US-Israel relations are not in the best shape, and this is not only due to the Israeli policy concerning Gaza, but also because the US are trying to approach Iran, and one reason is probably because they think that the Iranian army, which did not get involved in deleterious wars for many years, is suitable to contribute to the fight against the IS fighters.”
http://goo.gl/Np4CqY
http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2014/09/12/obama-should-go-to-tehran/
Peter Van Buren has thoughts of an opportunity there also, and while I agree we all know the company store would still try to destabalize Iran (in a heartbeat), if possible. Iran would be stupid to trust the USA no matter what they’re told. That same company store long ago decided to continually punish countries nationalizing their resources – forever, just ask Cuba. Additionally, AIPAC / Israel wouldn’t approve, anyway. So…
I believe the problem with OUR logic in this regard, Mr. Hussain, is we’re actually seeking paths to peace – while the store only seeks profit.
Don’t be surprised if, once airstrikes in Syria have commenced, we start bombing Syrian gov’t targets, in a ‘back door ‘ attempt to ‘degrade and destroy’ the Assad regime, as we’ve been trying to do for years. So, we’ll be bombing both sides, when we could have had an ally against ISIS. Pretty clever, huh?
If the CIA killed Abboud and his comrades it is because it necessitates putting more American boots on the ground. The fear factor escalates and the war profiteers continue to pull the puppet strings.
I’m weary of all the tortured commentary, none of which puts the burden of so much bloodshed and havoc where it belongs so I’ll simply repeat the words of MLK: “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world is my own government!” And all to fill our gas guzzlers on the cheap!
In another matter – I’m very pleased to see that Matt Taibbi is joining your team. In this kleptocracy of ours there are few truth-tellers, and he is among the most courageous. His most recent book “Divide” is a chilling indictment of the thieves who rule us with unremitting arrogance. He is on my personal list along with Glenn Greenwald, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Bill Moyers, Richard Wolff, George Carlin, Paul Jay, Glenn Ford, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders et al.
There is a very basic reason why Syria and Iran were not invited to the international coalition against ISIS. First off is that Syria is responsible for spawning ISIS in the first place with Assad’s refusal to step down and then plunging his country into a civil war. Iran bears the same responsibility for arming Syria and providing cash and Quds Force fighters to alter the conflict into a sectarian regional fight that has spilled over into Iraq where Iran was again the central cause because of its puppeteering of Nouri al-Maliki which caused a collapse in the Iraqi government. And since the US government doesn’t even officially recognize Assad’s government as the legitimate government of Syria, it would be awkward to say the least to invite them into an international coalition, let alone their sponsors in Iran. The Obama administration is right in excluding these two de-stabilizing forces because if we did invite them in, it would be akin to inviting a burglar back into your home after he had already ransacked it.
May every government official in high places and everyone else who committed the murders and destruction on 911 be shot on sight. They’ve lived long enough believing that they are above the law and can do whatever they want to American citizens.
the U.S. should be working with Syria to combat ISIL. why do the talking heads want Assad out? there are human rights excesses in Syria, to be sure…. but the U.S. leads the world in that category. i would like to discover THE reason(s) for the strife with Syria, THIS TIME. i have heard the heads say ‘he attacks his own people’, ‘he oppresses the Sunni majority’. if this is true, how has Assad managed to hold a nation together without domestic support, through these years of war? Syria is 75% Sunni, yet their strongest regional ally Iran, is 90% Shia to their 13%. Assad is Alawi Shia, with Christians making up 10% of the population and Jews 3%. Assad has always contended there was no domestic uprising only hired mercenaries attacking across the Turkish border. somebody help me here. show me why Assad is the booger-bear du jour. Israel has long wanted the Syrian air force destroyed at least or at best a regime change. is that all it is? the veils are getting thinner. just a little discussion about the reason before it’s forgotten.
Syria has long been on the Neocons’ agenda for regime change because it is an ally of Iran, and because it is hostile to Israel.
It’s about control over pipelines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4vD6JpJAFI
It’s about control over pipelines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4vD6JpJAFI
…..how has Assad managed to hold a nation together without domestic support……It’s called repression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
Just a simple question…If is true that ISIS is a creation of the club,and that the beast turned against his creator and friends,and I believe soShould the creator
at least ,somehow, know where the money was delivered and to whom…follow the money should be the way to stop this…. or we are just assisting at the war show that will make arms dealers more rich and rich?
please sort out the COMMENTS section asap. these comments are often as instructive as the articles but i’m having difficulties navigating around. it is very confusing and should be very simple. i am impatient for this to be fixed.
ISIS is old news. http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/isis
America is destabilizing the entire world, just as the West has been doing for centuries, only this time it may lead to cataclysmic nuclear war and again (and definitively) the culprit would have been the West and those who imitate it. Nihilism, economic and cultural, is the only thing the West has to offer itself and others as it waits half-cynically/half-simplistically for its last epistemological and existential hope: the so-called technological singularity, having–through its spiritless and autistic capitalism (that sphinx with the “pitiless” gaze and the “head of a man”)–cursed and trespassed all other human experiences and possibilities.
Its about the oil again. The IS now controls the oil in southern Syria and northern Iraq, making $2M a day off of it. Salfist/Wahabbist ideology is just their cover.
Could there be a ‘grand’ alliance to preserve the oil? Well, that would expect the U.S. to change their attitudes to Syria and Iran, and the odds are low.
Subtly of policy was never a strength.
The situation is so atrocious I ought to be more somber, and I am, but that sentiment is privately reserved for the victims, not the perpetrators.
IS is The Great American People’s premeditated baby boy, and if it thinks infanticide will be achieved by air power, they will be unpleasantly surprised again. The Vietnam and prior Iraq policy debacles should have already taught them air guitar power would be a far more effective tool against IS recruitment; US air power, as before, will be an IS recruitment bonanza.
But “it is what it is” — Americans’ clever response to reminders that their little boo boos are tiresomely repetitive, irksome, and self-defeating.
The “plan” should be provide as much humanitarian aid as possible, and stay the fuck out. As in the late 70s, the enemy of the day will be relied upon to do the nasty work. I am referring to Vietnam’s drubbing of Pol Pot’s thugs. Pol Pot, another American manufactured Frankenstein — helped to power by US carpet bombings which destroyed the Cambodian state — was chased out of Cambodia by those scary Vietnamese enemies.
Iran will play Vietnam’s role in this film remake. Neither Vietnam nor Iran deserved to have the role forced upon them, but “it is what it is”, as wise Americans muse.
All wars and conflicts, regardless of stated purpose, are devised and waged for profit of real asset acquisition in the form of land and land resources, and control of human assets.
It would be wise to remember that when speculating about U.S. conflicts directed against fighting the new bogeyman ISIS as yet one more means to extend a bogus “War on Terror”, which conveniently, can never be won.
“9/11: The Mother of All Big Lies”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/10/911-the-mother-of-all-big-lies/
“They’re an American tradition. They date from the republic’s inception. Notable ones began in the mid-19th century.
They facilitated annexing Texas. Half of Mexico followed. America became Cuba’s colonial power.
Controlling the Philippines, Guam, Samoa, Hawaii, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Canal Zone, Puerto Rico and other territories followed.
In 1917, Woodrow Wilson manipulated public sentiment. He did so with Big Lies.
They turned most Americans into raging German haters. Big Lies work this way. Wilson got the war he wanted.
FDR manipulated Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. Doing so let him wage war.
He had to convince Congress and a pacifist public to go along.
What better way than by manufacturing terror………”
[snip]
‘The tragedy of September 11, 2001, goes far beyond the deaths of those who died in the towers and the deaths of firefighters and first responders who succumbed to illnesses caused by inhalation of toxic dust. For thirteen years a new generation of Americans has been born into the 9/11 myth that has been used to create the American warfare/police state..
Watching the twin towers and WTC 7 come down, it was obvious to me that the buildings were not falling down as a result of structural damage. When it became clear that the White House had blocked an independent investigation of the only three steel skyscrapers in world history to collapse as a result of low temperature office fires, it was apparent that there was a coverup.’
Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/10/911-13-years-paul-craig-roberts/
Thanks Suave for daring to state the obvious.
Also, many thanks to Paul Craig Roberts for the same. He is one of my favorite authors.
Right, hundreds of people conspired and no one has ever leaked!!!!
Right..100’s of people conspired and none ever talked1!!!
You are an idiot
There is only one explanation for 9-11. The mass murder false flag attack was orchestrated by the Puppet masters of the CIA-MOSSAD PSY OPS Corps to serve as a pretext for universal war profiteering and to destroy the American Constitution. The One World Globalist corporate aristocracy that owns the federal reserve and european central bank coreograph the deconstruction of democracy by implementing the protocols of the new world empire . Bush was not kidding when he declared that America was the only super power, that there was a new world order taking over and remember that Mission Accomplished photo op. That was a private joke . The mission was to engineer the consent of America to swap freedom for security and peace for endless war. Who is the benefactor ? The defense industry and the Fascist state of Israel.
I thought that little smirk on Bush’s face meant he knew he was putting a big one over on the American public. He knew what he was doing.
The Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth have credibly proved that all three WTC buildings were victims of controlled demolitions using steel melting nano thermite explosive cutter charges which must have been installed months prior to the execution of the treasonous black war crime.
The Project for the New American Century’s (PNAC) seminal report in 2000 “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: strategy, forces and resources for a new century”, said that what was needed for America to dominate much of humanity and the world’s resources was “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”.
The attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the “new Pearl Harbor”, described as “the opportunity of ages”.
On the 9th of September, a rebel commander gets assasinated by a radical ‘Islamic terrorist’ group. Starting to sound familiar? No not Syria, not Ahrar al-Sham, not ISIL, not 2014.
It was Afghanistan, the commander was Ahmad Shah Massoud, presumedly by Al Qaeda/ Taliban. The year was 2001.
I said this previously with respect to the U.S. Govt sending weapons to the Syrian rebels… This is starting to sound and smell like Afghanistan.
Now that it turns out that the ‘vetted’ Syrian rebels ‘SOLD’ the last (beheaded) reporter to ISIL, how long is it going to take the CIA, NSA, DIA, and POTUS to realize that all these characters in the region can switch sides (on a dime -pun intended) with a little bit of cash?
With respect to the Kurds (Peshmerga), weren’t they the enemy when the NSA was kissing the Turks asses? OOOOOH, the Kurds weren’t so bad after all?
Just a few observations…
1. During the military occupation of Iraq, our military build seemingly permanent structures which begged the question of how long America would stay
2. Then we said we were only there to train the Iraqi military so they could ‘stand up’ on their own.
3. Then we dragged our feet and made the Iraqi government actually kick us out in 2011 and we left, grudgingly.
4. Now, we create a media frenzy and declare we’re going back in just 3 years later.
So, how is the not a failure of our Iraq policy? I guess the ‘training’ didn’t go so well. I think the government has been looking for any good reason to get back into Iraq for the last 3 years and to get 140,000 troops there again. Only now, they’ll end up in Syria.
Was watching local news last nite and they had said that the leader of Al-Queda in Iraq aka ISIS had been in custody of the military while we were occupying Iraq. But for some reason, they must have let him go. I guess after being a ‘guest’ of the military and being interrogated, he decided to take further action.
“Everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the face!” -Mike Tyson
I am sorry to disagree. To rely on one of the greatest purveyors of violence in the world for more than the last 100 years, the U.S. Government, to solve a problem with violence, which your article promotes, regardless with whom it joins forces, is like tasking Satan with the job of ridding the world of evil.
Isis and the U.S. Government are fraternal twins. Their only distinguishing feature is that the U.S. is a far more deadly.
Anything or anyone that gives or implies usefulness or credibility to the U.S. Military serves to perpetuate endless death and suffering.
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Murtaza Hussain very very good insight into if not a solution at least a possible resolution. ISIS gives all parties a common enemy and road map to some of their individual goals. I would add partition, hard or soft, to the mix. Your understanding of the area is much more sophisticated than mine but I see many of your pragmatic ideas as a way out with some “balance” so that each interest gets something and only terrorists and hardcore ideologies are totally disappointed.
Excerpts from my comments on “U.S. “Humanitarian” Bombing of Iraq: A Redundant Presidential Ritual By Glen Greenwald”
I was on a Special Forces A team doing “area studies” on the Middle East nearly half a century ago. The leaders have been replaced but the tribal forces remain. With everyone blaming someone else for “losing,” screwing up, Iraq, I think this is the wrong question. The real question is when did anyone ever in reality find Iraq as a unified Nation in the first place? Whether colonials, dictators or Bush one and two, Neocons or Obamites through peace, wars and occupations no one every found a formula to create a long term stable unified Iraq. The flip side of the coin Iraqis never found and most never sought a concept or leader that united.
…it is time to view the current situation in the cool desert star light and hot dessert sun, we are HERE. My views have changed from just a few weeks ago. No one ever came close to finding a truly unified Iraq. Those that try end up on the sectarian hate disaster to disaster merry-go-round. You can almost hear the music in the background will Obama buy another ticket for one more go around? These were my thoughts a few weeks ago.
The failure of the Iraqi government to check ISIS and capture of advanced US weapons by ISIS pointed at religious minorities and Kurds has changed my view. I now believe we and other nations should and will take one more spin to try to balance the competing forces in partition of Iraq so that all end up with some place and security. In the end the outcome must be determined by the Iraqi peoples, as it always was destined and should be so.
The master plan is not mine. However, the end game of triple play partition of Iraq can on the up side prevent a total meltdown of the Middle East, lay the ground work for future cooperation between parties and players in the area and provide generally good outcomes to all but terrorists and intractable ideologues. A better outcome than most of many meddlers deserve.
A moderate Sunni state but not an ISIS caliphate is acceptable to most all the players and parties, USA, Russia, Syria, the rest of what was Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Turkey and even Saudi Arabia. Most everybody hates and fears an ISIS outcome. Most Iraqi Sunnis mainly want antinomy from sectarian Shia rule. The moderate Sunnis will work to push ISIS out, they will not want to hold on in the long run to an ISIS lightening rod.
ISIS cannot maintain surrounded by Syria aided by Russia, Northern-Kurdistan-Iraq aided by USA and Southern-Shia-Iraq aided by Iran. ISIS are some tough bad boys on a roll for now, but they are in the middle of a three-way ass kicking. If they say “bring it,” it will be forthcoming. I hope a better way is found.
“..or selfless enough” `avelna
[snip]
‘Yet on Wednesday a senior administration official told reporters that the 2001 authorisation covered the war against Isis. Legal scholars have already debated its coverage of al-Qaida affiliates that did not exist in 2001. Isis, however, is not an al-Qaida affiliate, having been specifically disavowed by al-Qaida’s leader, Ayman Zawahiri. Ken Gude of the liberal Center for American Progress, a thinktank close to the administration, tweeted that he was “utterly shocked” the administration would contend the 2001 authority applied – an argument he had earlier in the day called “laughable.”
Asked to explain the administration’s reasoning, a different senior US official acknowledged the “split” between al-Qaida and Isis but indicated the administration considered it legally immaterial. In an email, using the administration’s preferred acronym for Isis, the official wrote:
Obama’s read on Congress has merit. Legislators who endorse congressional authorisation of war against Isis have offered packages that already look beyond the group. Representative Frank Wolf, a Virginia Republican, would give Obama and his successors power to attack all groups sharing “a common violent extremist ideology” – not defined – with Isis and contemporary al-Qaida affiliates. A bill from Senator James Inhofe, an Oklahoma Republican, would empower the president to confront Isis “and any successor terrorist organisation.”
However, the prevailing view in Congress driving a deferral of legislative authorisation for the Isis war is political. NEITHER REPUBLICANS NOR DEMOCRATS WISH TO INTRODUCE A WILD CARD INTO THE FORTHCOMING CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS.’
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/obama-isis-syria-air-strikes-legal-argument
note: Capitalized emphasis, mine.
ht`c-nobz
From the above Guardian article:
One wonders what the rationale would have been had Obama been successful in repealing the 2001 AUMF.
I guess this, from his speech:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/obama-speech-authorise-air-strikes-against-isis-syria
Minority Report anyone?
The best opportunity for the defeat of the ISIL/ISIS/IS is for the U.S. to stay right out of the situation.
The Iraqi forces, enforced with volunteers and with the aid of the Peshmerga are winning in Iraq. Assad is winning in Syria.
All that is happening in Syria is that the U.S., employing the rational that the ISIL provides, is to re-implement original invasion policy with the view to depose Assad and weaken Iran.
Assad is Syria’s choice, and a reliable ex-partner of the U.S., just ask the CIA. He was very reliable in connection with their extraordinary rendition programme.
Their requirement to get rid of him now has everything to do with removing Iran’s principle ally in the region, somebody Israel doesn’t like immediately to the north of them, and nullifying Russia’s Mediterranean naval base, now that they think they have them contained with NATO in the Ukrainian situation.
The U.S. does not want to make friends with Iran.
It wants to own the source of the world’s fourth largest oil resources, at over 4.2 million barrels/day, as they once did.
This is why the boots on the ground are required back in Iraq.
This is why the signature for the same is so feverishly sought in Afghanistan on the other side of Iran.
This is why Iran’s, Russian endorsed, principle ally is to be removed from the equation.
The ISIL are no more then the rational they were trained to be, and the beheadings have finally managed to manufacture the required level of consent from a war-weary public to put it into effect.
But that’s alright.
America is now over extended, will soon be fiscally unsupportable, and we’ll all finally be rid of the problem.
Because it’s obvious the U.S. electorate, the ones that aren’t dumbed down from a compliant media, or complacent beyond belief, are not sufficient in number to do, or simply not going to do, anything about their insane national administration.
ISIS have their supporters, financiers, masters, trainers, instigators, planners and philosophers all rolled into one in Riyadh. Therein lies the problem. We had to redact 28 pages of the 911 report to hide this. Bombing in Iraq and Syria will target the symptoms – not the cause.
Exactly. Isn’t it so ironic that the terrorist’s godfathers are also our allies?
Take your constition and shove it up your greedy self serving journalist ass. Lauren
Well, the speech lasted about 15 minutes. He was vague about who the US allies would be. But it’s definite: he’s going into Syria. And he has a four-part strategy.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/obama-speech-authorise-air-strikes-against-isis-syria
Note the text of the speech, hyperlinked on the right-hand column. Especially, this:
On wings of rhetoric, the eagle will soar, my fellow Americans. Thank you, and God bless America. Good night.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/433-weather-report-the-hard-chill-begins-to-bite.html
No boots on the ground does deprive the American liberators of being greeted as heroes and showered with flowers by the Iraqis. However, as Stratfor correctly states, strategic imperatives necessitate such sacrifices.
Bombing everyone equally (in a restrained way) has a certain democratic appeal, in addition to being a fine strategy.
>”Well, the speech lasted about 15 minutes.”
Yeah … and 15 minutes was too damn long. *I could have said what he said in two (maybe less) … hellava way to start a new war.
“Yes we can’t” …
ps. Surprise, surprise. This just in; Russia declares Obama speech (wrt Syria plan) a ‘gross violation of international law’. … and mumbles something about UN involvement.
The war mongers in Washington are ringing the alarm bells for things we should let be. How will any country, any country, become strong without letting them figure out how to get out of the situation. It should be the Middle East countries organizing among themselves to solve this Islamic State problem. They have the means, the money and the religion to do so. Right?
The author of this article may have good intentions BUT
1. Defeating the IS is not the main goal. If that happened, the Empire would have to create another terrorist group to replace them because there is a great deal of money to be sucked out of all of these nations for war. Obama and his ilk make their careers out of keeping this beastliness alive.
2. To equate Assad and the Iranians with “the murderous governments in Egypt, Israel, and Iraq” is just another repetition of the BS from Washington.
3. Why does the author fail to criticize the Saudis? Is that going too far or is that too accurate?
4. It is absurdly Ironic that the author would end the article by urging Obama – a self-proclaimed “pragmatist” who embraced corruption in order to get elected (in order to embrace more corruption) to be more pragmatic.
5. Wake up.
Mr. Kent,
Murtaza should engage you in a conversation, but journalists at The Intercept sometimes step in quicksand, otherwise known as the Pandora’s Box that is Omidyar’s previous financial associations (did someone say Ukraine?). However, since Mr. Hussain has chosen not to respond, I would like to answer some of your questions.
1.) I agree that ISIS is a necessary illusion. But, this does not mean they are fake. The ISIS media campaign should be distinguished from the psychopaths who are baiting the US military into war. Yes, they probably have been baited, perhaps even created, by the CIA after the Syrian Civil War to give the US a reason to invade. Where I disagree is when you say ¨Obama and his ilk.¨ This is neither a defense, nor an endorsement, of Obama, but let’s be real, Obama doesn’t have the power that McCain or Cheney wield when it comes to foreign policy. At the very least, Obama got rid of Clinton in the 2nd term, and got out of Iraq 16 months later than he had promised in his 2008 campaign. This is not what he wants, so follow the money cui bono! Also, watch out for Senator Chris Murphy D-CT who was playing McCain’s wingman in Ukraine in December of 2013.
2.) Agreed. I would even go a step further – if Saddam Hussein had never been deposed of, none of this would be happening. Once Saddam was deposed Assad had to fill the leadership vacuum for the Baath Party in the region. Yes, both were/are sadistic and brutal dictators… so was Qaddafi, but NOW LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING. Do we forget that Saddam actually fought terrorists? Do we forget that Qaddafi actually brokered the 2nd Congo Peace Deal? Do we forget that Assad has been fighting ISIS for years?
3.) While I agree that criticizing the Saudi monarchy (not Saudis in general) should be something all rational people do at least once or twice a day, if not hour, I think Murtaza’s logic is clear. Bringing peace between Sunni and Shiite takes tremendous precedence over criticizing the Saudi Royal Family just because it seems obligatory. Perhaps diplomacy between Saudi Arabia and Iran would decrease tensions in the Middle East more than any other event.
4.) Mr. Kent, I think Murtaza’s logic is sound. Is it wishful thinking? Maybe, but I haven’t heard a better argument. Would you like to make an argument for a solution to the catastrophe?
5.) Go to sleep. You need to sleep on it… wake up, stretch out, maybe go for a run, and then think about it.
Yes, if we’ve heard it once from some Beltway wag that ISRAEL is a “murderous government,” we’ve heard it a thou – oh, wait.
On what alternate Earth?
Mona, I bet Israel’s responsible for the Ebola outbreak, too. And that asteroid that almost hit? It was shaped like a Jewish star, I hear.
Before you reply, check under your bed. I think there might be a J-O-O hiding there.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, I thought this was a pretty good article. Prashad points out that unless and until Saudi Arabia and Iran come to some understanding, shit will continue to be fucked up. That last bit is my interpretation of his comments. :)
All that you sarcastically attribute to my beliefs can’t compete in absurdity with Clark’s serious claim that voices in DC endlessly repeat that *ISRAEL* is a “murderous government.”
I mean, I can’t even.
I should have been more specific. On the face of it, the inclusion of Israel is seemingly bizarre, given the history of Washington’s support, BUT
ALL of the nations listed as “murderous” have largely moved away from democratic ideals and structures and become increasingly militarized (and murderous) largely because of the actions of the United States and NATO. In the cases of Egypt, Israel, and Iraq it was and is U.S. and NATO “support” which has helped them become more murderous and,
in the cases of Iran and Syria it is U.S. and NATO aggression which has reduced their attempts at democracy and pushed them to become more militarized.
Pointing at these nations as if they are each the same kind of murderous failures ignores the real cause of their abusiveness.
WHO is more murderous? Those nations or the U.S.and NATO?
The under-lying message is that all of these nations need more involvement from the U.S. and NATO and ignores both the reality of enormous amounts of manipulation and the unique differences of that predatory manipulation.
Since the end of WW I, and especially since the end of WW II, the major problems in the region have been the creations of western European governments and the U.S.
If you want to defeat ISIS, you had better start by reducing the influence of the U.S. and NATO and stop appealing to the causes of the problems for a solution.
It sounds like you’re a bit mixed up, Clark.
The governments of Egypt, Israel, Iraq, Syria and Iran are all terrible in their own ways. Israel and Iran are probably the most civilised, but it’s really moot because all of them are atrocious abusers of human rights. The “BS from Washington” is quite different. Washington alleges that Israel is a treasured friend and basically the 51st state, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq are “people we can do business with”, Syria is a wayward state that we wish would just stabilise so we could ignore its authoritarian excesses, and Iran is the devil.
There’s no real need to specifically criticise the Saudis in this article. I’m not sure that’s what he’s trying to discuss. I get that you’re worked up that America seems to ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia is a terrifying and hellish country, but this is not the place to go into that.
Well, seeing that Saudi Arabia is the money behind ISIL is actually quite enough reason to go into it. Don’t you think?
And of all places, in DC the only argument allowed to be held about Israel is whether it is a great country, or the greatest.
The author picks and chooses while ignoring the certain links of historical facts and appeals to the biggest predator and the nation most deserving of condemnation (the U.S.) as if they – who caused most of the horror – are the ones who can solve the horror in a “pragmatic”/intelligent rearranging of decades-long corruption.
Hopey-dopey drivel.
There’s one major flaw as Wayne White explains:
“With Sunni Arab anxieties running so high, the White House should be wary of the many calls for the US to embrace Iran as an ally against ISIS. Sunni Arabs, who have grown more fearful of the “Caliphate” in their midst, view Iran as a Shia sectarian enemy that stood behind the Maliki government’s anti-Sunni Arab abuses, along with those of Shia militias. It would be harder to convince Sunni Arabs already betrayed once to trust a hand extended to them by a new Iraq government and the US if Iran was a major partner. Of course, lower profile assistance from Iran would be welcome, but not a major public role.”
http://www.lobelog.com/america-vs-isis-be-careful-what-you-wish-for/
ISIS and others will continue doing their thing…the West has become so blatantly fascist that they don’t care WHO is in charge.
Supression of them now will just drive them underground, where they will fester and arise later. Western diplomacy is a totally ridiculous failure…an embarrassment to their populace. Corporations want more war, more profit, more JESUS, more Israel, more oil…
Democrats and Republicans are converging on this ISIS Propaganda.
FOX, CNN, and MSNBC have successfully manipulated the public like sheep.
Why is Israel never mentioned in this article? The only reason the USA is being drawn in, is to fight another war so Israel won’t have to.
Israel is mentioned in this article.
“Refusing even limited cooperation with Assad or Iran on principle while maintaining close relations with murderous governments in Egypt, Israel and Iraq, is both contradictory and inimical to the objective of defeating ISIS.”
What is it that the article author thinks the government is trying to do? Defeat evil? Avenge innocents? What?
Also, doubt we would ever consider Iranian help necessary, given our super awesome military that always wins.
Yep….we get it…sarcasm!
This threat/advantage posed by ISIS is fundamentally supervised by the West, and not in Iran’s national security interest to combat. Iran should stay away from the US/Israel political agenda and only defend Baghdad, and Damascus from falling. This new partnership between Iran and the US will not be realistic, especially considering new sanctions imposed by US congress.
Furthermore, the Gulf dictators do not yet recognise that if ISIS could infiltrate Iraq, it can do the same in Arab countries. Arabs are vulnerable educationally to foreign ideologies, unlike Iran Farsi speaking population. Iran must protect its own territory and secures its own Shia’a territory in Iraq and Syria. In addition to that capitalize on further mistakes committed by NATO and the USA. Iran must undermine the USA and refuse to cooperate with them, to protect Syria from an unlawful intervention by the US. Moreover, the US systematic policy of failure in the Islamic world is a contributing factor to radicalisation. Since the US has no strategic objective after the defeat of ISIS no Islamic nation should support the huge suffering inflicted upon the Muslim world. A direct confrontation between Iran and ISIS, will benefit Israel proposed agenda to weaken Islamic countries with proxy warfare. Eventually the real purpose of ISIS creation will bear fruit, in the meantime Iran should not exchange their dignity for financial purposes in a nuclear deal.
I’m not convinced that, even if Obama is enlightened enough to engage in the kind of consensus building you’re talking about here, (and I think you’re right) there are enough Congress critters that are smart enough or selfless enough, to allow this to occur. Either rank partisanship and/or pure, unadulterated greed will stop anything like what you describe here in its tracks. We’ll see I guess.
The thing is all this ISIS in the middle east drug cartels in mexico from the gangs in america to your KKK they are guided finance by elite the police the fbi cia all are in command of the goals objectives etc! who benifits out of all this the government and corporations they get complete control! the sad thing here most americans if told in the main stream media that mickey mouse turn to the dark side he now serves evil & on & on they will believe it only few have & use their brain that these things connot be accomplish just like that! any country or place that gets invaded by anglo saxon or his minions that be brown black yellow blue or what ever slogan they propagand so the rest of thee color persuasion can follow! example obama a few months back approved that humans of certain age will not be deported of course now this is all by design its not a coincidence obama and company knew what they are doing! its called by divide and conquer the railroad tycoon said ill pay half the railraod workers to kill shoot the other half that want unions and benefits!
“For the first time in three years, the interests of Iran, Turkey, Syria, Qatar and Iraq are all aligned towards stifling the existential threat posed by the radical insurgency of ISIS.”
They pose an “existential threat” to established states, including major oil producers, when “estimates of Isis numbers range from 7,000 to 10,000″?
All a very nice proposition that overlooks a critical component. Until the ‘Christian al Qaida’ at the Pentagon are fired en mass and replaced with secular minded generals, Obama (or anybody) will never be presented with a workable opportunity to do anything intelligent.
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/05/26/counterfeit-coin/
^ In fact it is the American military leadership had implemented the sectarian violence in Iraq with General Petraeus linked to arming and training al Sadr’s Shia death squads and subsequently arming and training the Sunni ‘Awakening Councils’ who’ve contributed considerable manpower to ISIS at the end of the day.
Of course it wouldn’t hurt to further clean house and get rid of Sam Power and Susan Rice as well, both neo-liberal killers up to their arms in blood with the policies leading to the creation of the Islamic State.
The idea of Shia and Sunni uniting to oppose ISIS is a bit farfetched. ISIS has been funded by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, as have other groups fighting in Syria such as the Al-Nusra front. Most of these groups are just as radical as ISIS, but simply haven’t had a chance to grab the brass ring.
But of course it is not an apocalyptic threat; it is a ragtag militia that rode in on Toyotas to some Iraqi towns which their own military had abandoned. The US, once it squashes ISIS and scores a propaganda victory, can return to their primary goal in the region of overthrowing the ruling regime in Iran.
Its not true that ISIS has been funded by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait; in fact it is an existential threat to both those countries which is why they’re expressed a willingness to form an alliance to counter it. While private individuals within each of those countries may have provided funds to ISIS and similar groups in the past, there is no indication at all that the states themselves have.
That depends on whether you limit your statement to ‘official’ government funding. According to The Independent
They, like Frankenstein, may now be having some second thoughts, but that hardly means they are likely to unite with the Shia.
There is no way to control how military aid is dispersed to insurgents at the end of the day. If the Saudis don’t want credit now for what became a nightmare, well, neither does the USA. But governments don’t like taking responsibility for their role in events that have spun out of control and the USA and Saudis, both, are up to their necks in what has happened:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/world/middleeast/arms-airlift-to-syrian-rebels-expands-with-cia-aid.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
^ I would say the Saudis are directly responsible for arming ISIS (there’s more damning articles out there)
Re: Murtaza Hussain 10 Sep 2014 at 4:16 pm
Are you seriously portending that the actions and interests of the ruling class of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait should be factually understood to be consistent with some implied benevolent concern for the welfare of their respective general populations? Just which “private individuals” in these sovereign dictatorships is it that you believe has the ability and resources to operate without the knowledge and blessings of their governments?
As Usual,
EA
Just like the CIA has bribed jihadists to succor national interest, I feel certain the plausible deniability of the House of Sod would require caution in efforts to source their objectives in the Region. Iran/Contra comes to mind.
No takers, eh?
http://www.brown.edu/Research/Understanding_the_Iran_Contra_Affair/n-contrasus.php
” McFarlane was able to get a total of $32 million from Saudi Arabia between 1984 and 1986; McFarlane maintained that he did not solicit the money but merely expressed that that funds for the contras would be appreciated. Later, North was able to secure two $1 million contributions to the contras from Taiwan.”
I guess the Press Briefing room doesn’t have time for follow-up questions.
Is there any indication that the “states themselves” have shown an interest in addressing these private individuals? Or is that beyond the ambit of the states?
quote”Is there any indication that the “states themselves” have shown an interest in addressing these private individuals? Or is that beyond the ambit of the states?”unquote
What the fuck are you babbling about?
Kudos to Murtaza Hussain. It is refreshing to see a journalist on this site actually put forward an actionable strategy against IS(actively involving Iran) instead of just haplessly casting stones or solely focusing on past conflicts as if they are all the same as the current IS matter. Assuming the political blowback is as intense as Murtaza pointed out, I wonder if the U.S. would (or has already began) working with the Iranians covertly.
Tonight’s speech should be interesting. I reject the Administration’s claims that it can or should bypass Congress. If the American people through their representatives don’t want to be involved in this conflict, then we should not be.
“Refusing even limited cooperation with Assad or Iran on principle while maintaining close relations with murderous governments in Egypt, Israel and Iraq, is both contradictory and inimical to the objective of defeating ISIS.”
Thank you, Mr. Hussain! On this possibility though, I wouldn’t suggest holding our breath.
Kerry announces troops could deploy to Iraq in extreme circumstances, hours ahead of the President’s speech.
http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2014/09/10/kerry-says-u-s-troops-could-deploy-to-iraq/
Too much deception the last 50 years to just accept defeating ISIS is even the real objective here, and I give Glenn’s “regret-poll” less than the 3 years they claim this campaign (occupation?) will last – to produce those inevitable results.
Turkey has not shown any support for a coalition, and neither has Jordan. Well you clearly are supporting a sectarian war in the region and a pushing forth of Shiites upon the Sunni world. I don’t even know how Glenn is letting such sectarian garbage be published here .
Tell me about the Shiite terrorists that have waged war upon the Sunnis populations of Iraq and Syria.