In May, 2013, a British Army soldier, Lee Rigby, was killed on a suburban London street by two Muslim British citizens, who said they were acting to avenge years of killings of innocent Muslims by the British military in, among other places, Afghanistan and Iraq. One of the attackers, Michael Adebolajo, had also been detained and tortured in 2010 in Kenya with the likely complicity of Her Majesty’s Government. The brutal attack on Rigby was instantly branded “terrorism” (despite its targeting of a soldier of a nation at war) and caused intense and virtually universal indignation in the UK.
In response, the British Parliament’s Intelligence and Security Committee resolved to investigate why the attack happened and whether it could have been prevented. Ensuring that nothing undesirable would occur, the investigation was led by the Committee’s chair, the long-time conservative government functionary Sir Malcolm Rifkind. Yesterday, Sir Malcolm’s Committee issued its findings in a 191-page report. It contains some highly predictable conclusions, but also some quite remarkable ones.
Predictably, the report, while offering some criticisms, completely cleared the British intelligence agencies of any responsibility for the attack. It concluded: “we do not consider that any of the Agencies’ errors, when taken individually, were significant enough to have affected the outcome,” and “we do not consider that, given what the Agencies knew at the time, they were in the position to prevent the murder.”
But while British intelligence agencies bear no blame, the Committee identified the real culprit, which it claimed could have – but culpably failed – to stop the attack: an unnamed U.S. social media company (now reported to be Facebook). The Committee noted that one of Rigby’s killers, Michael Adebowale, had an online conversation (presumably on Facebook) with an “individual overseas” in December, 2012, in which Adebowale said “that he intended to murder a soldier.”
Sir Malcolm’s Committee claimed that the British intelligence agencies such as GCHQ and MI5 – despite being among the most aggressive and unrestrained electronic surveillance forces on the planet – had no possible way to have accessed that exchange. But, the Committee said, the social media company not only had the ability – but also the duty – to monitor the communications of all its users and report anything suspicious to the UK Government. Its failure to do so in this case, claimed the report, was the proximate cause of why the attack was not stopped (had the British agencies had access to this exchange, “there is a significant possibility that MI5 would then have been able to prevent the attack”).
All of this, argued the report, underscores how social media companies have become terrorist-helpers due to their refusal to monitor and report their users’ communications to the British Government. Here is this warped blame-shifting in the Committee’s own words:
The report then goes on to lecture social media companies that they must conduct themselves differently in the future:
The companies should accept that they have a responsibility to notify the relevant authorities when an automatic trigger indicating terrorism is activated and allow the authorities, whether the US or UK, to take the next step.
And Sir Macolm’s Committee all but scoffs at the notion that having these companies monitor and report their users’ conversations might actually violate privacy and turn these companies into skulking spy agencies for the state. Sir Macolm’s Committee notes that “several of the companies attributed the lack of monitoring to the need to protect their users’ privacy,” but, it proclaimed, “that argument should not be allowed to prevail” when it comes to “terrorist atrocities.”
Also predictably, the report does far more than merely complain about this. Instead, it does what the U.S. and UK Governments have been doing for almost 15 years now: brazenly exploits the fears and emotions surrounding this attack to demand still more spying powers for itself. In particular, it demands changes to the legal obligations of U.S. social media companies “either through legislation” in the U.S. or “by a treaty with the UK which places an obligation on US companies to provide this information” – i.e., whatever is requested by the UK Government.
The irony of Her Majesty’s Government blaming others for its own intelligence failures is stark indeed. This is a government that indiscriminately collects so much of the world’s private communications that they literally don’t know what to do with it. Among the documents published in my book was a GCHQ slide boasting that it “has massive access to international internet communications” and “we receive upwards of 50 billion events per day (and growing)”.
In fact, Sir Macolm’s report itself makes clear that the intelligence agencies of Her Majesty’s Government already collect such massive quantities of private communications that they have no ability even to understand what they’ve collected: in other words, they can’t detect terror plotting because they’re overloaded with the communications of millions of innocent people around the world, or are too busy trying to figure out the identities of visitors to the WikiLeaks website or ensnare hactivists in “honey traps” and thus unable to monitor actual terrorists. From the report (redactions in original):
In fact, the UK Government had in its possession information that would have triggered suspicions about one of the attackers, but the report itself notes that “GCHQ’s failure to report an item of intelligence which revealed contact between an unknown individual (later identified as Adebowale) and the AQAP extremist CHARLIE was significant.” This is a government that collects so much of people’s private communications that they have no idea what they are collecting.
But it’s never enough. A single attack on a single soldier is instantly and brazenly exploited to demand even more spying powers, to insist on new laws and treaties giving them even more access to more private communications. Nobody – including al Qaeda or ISIS – so effectively terrorizes U.S. and British citizens as much as their own governments do.
The Guardian‘s coverage of Sir Malcolm’s report is superb. Beyond the comprehensive reporting, they have an article detailing the (justifiable) indignation of tech companies over the blame-shifting report, the comments of a former British terrorism official on the stupidity of imposing such obligations on social media companies, an editorial and an op-ed arguing that British intelligence agencies have primary responsibility to stop such attacks yet failed to connect the ample “dots” they had, and, best of all, a piece from the paper’s home affairs editor Alan Travis denouncing the report’s conclusions “as outrageous as it is wrong-headed” as “a case of shooting the messenger.”
But there’s something else significant going on here that I want to highlight. All of this is part of a clear and definitely coordinated campaign by the U.S. and UK Governments to demonize social media companies as terrorist-helpers in order to force them to act as (even more) obedient snooping agents for the National Security State.
It is well-established that, prior to the Snowden reporting, Silicon Valley companies were secret, eager and vital participants in the growing Surveillance State. Once their role was revealed, and they perceived those disclosures threatening to their future profit-making, they instantly adopted a PR tactic of presenting themselves as Guardians of Privacy. Much of that is simply self-serving re-branding, but some of it, as I described last week, are genuine improvements in the technological means of protecting user privacy, such as the encryption products now being offered by Apple and Google, motivated by the belief that, post-Snowden, parading around as privacy protectors is necessary to stay competitive.
The U.S. and UK surveillance agencies are genuinely petrified of encryption, because, although not perfect, it presents a serious impediment to their ability to spy on the internet. But these governments have a problem: they function in what is effectively an oligarchy, which means that tech giants like Google – which fund and thus control political officials – are far too rich and powerful to be meaningfully controlled. Even in the 1990s, the tech sector was able to prevent the Clinton administration – exploiting the Oklahoma City bombing – from enacting legislation to require backdoors into all encryption. These companies are vastly more powerful now, and there is almost no prospect that meaningful legislation could be enacted to limit their product choices.
Instead, the U.S. and UK Governments are trying to pressure these companies to do what they had been doing – limitlessly cooperating with the Surveillance State – through a PR pressure campaign. Right now, in a post-Snowden world, the PR incentive framework for these companies pushes them to demonstrate a commitment to privacy. As Sir Malcom’s report noted:
Encryption is also becoming a market differentiator, particularly after the NSA leaks, as individuals have become more concerned about the privacy of their communications. MI5: “one of the effects of the Snowden disclosures has been to accelerate the use of default encryption by the internet companies.”
That is the incentive formula the National Security State is desperate to change. And the strategy for doing so is to depict these companies as Friends of the Terrorists, endangering public safety, every time they refuse dictates to help spy.
FBI Director James Comey in September said at a Press Conference about ISIS: “What concerns me about this is companies marketing something expressly to allow people to hold themselves beyond the law,” while the New York Times printed this: “‘Terrorists will figure this out,’ along with savvy criminals and paranoid dictators, one senior official predicted.” True to form, British security officials were even more unhinged, as the newly appointed GCHQ chief accused social media companies of becoming the “command-and-control networks of choice for terrorists and criminals.”
Just yesterday, Lord West, “a former admiral who served as UK security minister until 2010″ said that Snowden revelations have killed people due to increased encryption use: “Since the revelations of the traitor Snowden, terrorist groups, in particular Isil (Islamic State), have changed their methods of communications and shifted to other ways of talking to each other. Consequently there are people dying who actually would now be alive.” Meanwhile, former NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly called the Snowden disclosures “the worst leak” because “we see major corporations having difficulty doing business outside the US and, as a result, putting impenetrable encryption in their products which ultimately hurts the whole law enforcement effort.”
The plan, quite obviously, is to make it untenable for these companies ever to offer privacy protections or market encryption products by demonizing them as Allies of the Terrorists when they do. Just behold the blatant fear-mongering near the end of Sir Malcolm’s report:
The irony here is obvious, as even post-Snowden, these tech companies – despite their newly minted PR campaign – continue to play a vital, cooperative role in the Surveillance State. Sir Malcolm’s report itself recognizes that “the companies we contacted all confirmed that, if UK authorities requested information in an emergency situation, they would provide that information.” And Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Microsoft and the like continue to be in bed with the U.S. and UK National Security State in all sorts of untoward ways. It’s stunning that anyone could maintain a straight face while depicting Facebook, of all companies, as some sort of excessive privacy guardian. As the Guardian‘s Travis noted, “Facebook even has a team in Dublin handling standard British requests and another dedicated team in California dealing with emergencies.”
Still, even the smallest gestures of defiance, symbolic protection of user privacy, and minimal responsiveness to user demand, cannot be tolerated by “Collect it All” snooping agencies. And thus every “terror” attack, no matter how limited in scope, is instantly seized upon to manipulate public emotions into acquiescing to more surveillance powers, while the message is simultaneously sent that anyone who resists the Surveillance State is a friend and ally of terrorists, pedophiles, and all other sorts of menacing criminals. That is the campaign which Sir Malcolm’s odious little report was clearly designed to advance.
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Correction: This article originally and erroneously referred to the knighted Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee as “Sir Rifkind” rather than his proper medieval title: “Sir Malcolm.” The Intercept sincerely apologizes for this gauche breach of aristocratic protocol.


Glenn your the man dude! Taking these bullshit government types on one at a time! This piece shows these officials mentality and they do not care whatsoever about the privacy of its citizens. They would have a camera in every home if they could.
Hi Intercept
I’ve tried to comment 3 times… the last being completely innocuous with no reason whatsoever for censorship… though I didn’t think the first two merited it either.
None have appeared.
Is there a problem on my end or something I am doing wrong?
There isn’t a contact for such issues on your staff page…
Thanks
Al
SAIC, is that Special Agent In Charge, or can I quote your stacked price? I expected you to remain silent, partner.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204369404577207020117727022
300 million emails of News International newspaper staff in police custody, but of course the police only looked at 11 million of them…The Sun, The Times, The News of the World, The Times on Sunday. 40% of the UK’s national papers’ emails in police custody, ten years worth. Now isn’t that special? GCHQ has access to all of it, no doubt. all the crypto-opponents of the wars on terror, how convenient.
Murdoch is said to be furious after having handed all of his people over to police because they claim they may still go after the executive suite for all this corruption, setting aside all the PMs since Margaret and counting who aided and abetted him.
Wow, I just realized that in this last episode of Sherlock, the Mind Palace is intact, but in the hands of pervy coppers! Some one should have taken that server like Haywood took out the G’s hard drives. But no, Murdoch had to deal or lose the entire corp for pretending to be GCHQ. Only they get to bully us all around, now. Can’t you feel the vacuum? How did they do it? Find 10 years of deletions, but NONE of Brooks’ under executive management? Is that the deal?
Can you imagine waiting on MURDOCH to retaliate for the government shorting him his plate? The enemy of my enemy are good friends of one another until the party is over. UKIP is the new hip for busted chips everywhere, Norton! Murdoch wants his vengeance, the ultimate Fool.
It’s as if Monty Python and Mr. Bean are running the secret squirrel agencies. J. Edna Hoover spent much of his time whining to Congress for expanded powers for the FBI to protect our freedom from the communists. Considering all of the tech and software advances the past few years, it is easy to imagine J. Edna Hoover looking upwards with envy. Cheers.
Nice article Glenn.
We need quality reporting more than ever.
Thanks.
Both this sight and the Guardian now have layouts that distort the productivity of their sites.
I don’t check the highlights to see the OLD news, I check for the NEWS, so try putting up you latest shite in order of excretement, and maybe folks won’t think you are so backed up, old farts. Really sad to wee you pushing old news on us like it’s a fucking shelved commodity. Old news is OLD! NEWS is NEW. Let the old go with the rolling of the toilet paper. And of curse the paper is to lay forward, not to the back, jacks, or you be doomed! Any well received story can stand by the side priding itself with the others by rank accounting. You are shooting your own readers in the face. In my case, that has to be heartwarming.
Ah, Glenn, what a gift. I love to hate on Mother, too.
HAY! Didn’t I read Murdoch gave the Crown TEN YEARS of his UK media company’s emails, which he mistook as a trade off for the Crown ignoring executive corruption regarding hacks? We’re talking four national newspapers’ e-communications including those between sources and reporters. What an icehole. And he didn’t even get a deal.
Now, the Crown said they only viewed those e-items they presumed were related to the investigation into reporters bribing police and government officials for leaks, but seriously, who doesn’t think GCHQ got their hands on that record and now they are as hooked up as Murdoch to the heartbeats of the world? GCHQ has a mandate to steal that evidence and use it to their advantage! A US company giving away the story to Mother, that fucker.
But Glenn, as a lawyer, do you see what I see? Did DoJ get in on this confused dealing with Murdoch as he blew it? He thought that would buy his firm immunity from FCPA…but did WE, DoJ, do something rather naughty ourselves? Did we HELP the Crown pull those ten years of data out of the can? And why did Rebekah’s not come fully free when pertaining to executive cracks? Another suggestion there was a deal done there that involved DoJ, but how square?
I think it’s every dirty dog for themselves and may the best bitch win.
So, Rifkin’s office was a bit off put by the miss? Fuck him. Miss this one, too, GCHQ!
You know what OK means? Officially Korrect, a pushback to the fucks of Whitehall who demanded triplicates because they need two checkers to screw the public trust.
House of Cards, UK version, Season Two. US is too fucking slow. IRA used to excuse PM’s need to bleed the media for some coverage.
I recall a smart woman talked same crazed alienated REALITY man out of his weapon, GCHQ. Where the fuck were YOU? Those IRA “suspects” didn’t get away!
Glenn, you and I both know we can be both a threat to our nation’s duplicity or as two fucking faced as the PM who got carjacked and hit his head…while his security blew the jacks away.
PM has actors attempt to kidnap King to make another scene worth repeating endlessly on TV until he’s re-elected as the man who knew a security team needed to be secreted against King’s wishes for a better world. Both fought for the position of most caring once the blood was let.
Sorry, Glenn, their media showed this series of GCHQ/UKIP generated BS in the UK LAST YEAR, like I’ve been telling you for fucking months.
What I _don’t_ understand is why the British are suggesting to have companies do this in Britain, rather than combining the two prime virtues of the tech industry: spying and outsourcing. Companies in China have more experience working hand in hand with government on trivial details of postings, they have a notable brand with the Great Firewall product, and they always come up cheapest. Just make China one of the Five/Nine/Fifteen/Two Hundred Eyes and make a law that all communications have to be routed through and OKed in Beijing. For this I think the best explanation is the politicians realize that, although they try their best to copy the PRC as the paragon for every government around the world, they are still second rate imitators, and resorting to such measures will speed the day when all the government positions are also outsourced to China.
Is that Benito broadcasting from a undisclosed station, Chief? I’m seeing doppels, bangers.
Wnt, your post is brilliant and funny. What makes it funny is what makes anything funny, that is funny: it is shot through with truth. Unexpected, grotesque truths that ring so VERY true in the unexpected, grotesque realities that beset us today.
Thanks.
The good news is that no one is buying it. The threads about this on The Guardian have, to a startling degree, “taken the piss” out of the notion that social media should bear any responsibility. I was struck that posters who normally disagree on many issues about the surveillance state were in complete agreement on the absurdity of blaming FB, etc.
It’s kind of a stupid campaign, propaganda to shame these companies into doing something so obviously evil.Once you fight so called evil with actual evil, then you’re evil yourself. Besides, it’s would help the spy corps more if they were not given more information they can’t handle.
Let he who has not sinned be the judge of all of us? Not my kinda justice league, sire.
I like my judges grizzled and been through hell like that Ginsberg dame. She’s one tough bird. She’s gonna fight until the blood runs out.
I can’t be the only one who finds a little humor in the privacy concerns of social media users who transmit the minutia of their daily lives into the ether… and governments with access complaining about it.
The complacency of the public that allowed the death of privacy even after finding out after the fact that it was done in secret in violation of democratic principles is where my outrage lies.
Handing over our rights (and budgets) due to a PR campaign based on lies is not sensible.
Here in the UK we have a beaucoup terrorists. We also have RIPA!
Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000
Summary
The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (c.23) (RIP or RIPA) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, regulating the powers of public bodies to carry out surveillance and investigation, and covering the interception of communications. It was ostensibly introduced to take account of technological change such as the growth of the Internet and strong encryption.
RIPA regulates the manner in which certain public bodies may conduct surveillance and access a person’s electronic communications. The Act:
-enables certain public bodies to demand that an ISP provide access to a customer’s communications in secret;
-enables mass surveillance of communications in transit;
-enables certain public bodies to demand ISPs fit equipment to facilitate surveillance;
-enables certain public bodies to demand that someone hand over keys to protected information;
-allows certain public bodies to monitor people’s Internet activities;
-prevents the existence of interception warrants and any data collected with them from being revealed in court.
SORRY FOR THE WALL OF TEXT!
Agencies with investigative powers[edit]
Communications data[edit]
The type of communications data that can be accessed varies with the reason for its use, and cannot be adequately explained here. Refer to the legislation for more specific information.
*Charity Commission
*Criminal Cases Review Commission
*Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
a county council or district council in England, a London borough council, the Common Council of the City of London in its capacity as a local authority, the Council of the Isles of Scilly, and any county council or county borough council in Wales
*Department for Transport, for the purposes of: Marine Accident Investigation Branch
*Rail Accident Investigation Branch
*Air Accidents Investigation Branch
*Maritime and Coastguard Agency
*a district council within the meaning of the Local Government Act (Northern Ireland) 1972
*Department of Agriculture and Rural Development for Northern Ireland
*Department of Enterprise, Trade and Investment for Northern Ireland (for the purposes of Trading Standards)
*Department of Health (for the purposes of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency)
*Department of Trade and Industry
*Environment Agency
*Financial Services Authority
*a fire and rescue authority
*Fire Authority for Northern Ireland
*Food Standards Agency
*Gambling Commission
*Gangmasters Licensing Authority
*Government Communications Headquarters
*Health and Safety Executive
*HM Revenue and Customs
*Home Office (for the purposes of the UK Border Agency)
*Independent Police Complaints Commission
*Information Commissioner
*a Joint Board where it is a fire authority
*Ofcom
*Office of Fair Trading
*The Pensions Regulator
*Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
*Port of Dover Police
*Port of Liverpool Police
*Post Office Investigation Branch
*Postal Services Commission
*NHS ambulance service Trust
*NHS Counter Fraud and Security Management Service
*Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Services Trust
*Northern Ireland Health and Social Services Central Services Agency
*Royal Navy Regulating Branch
*Royal Military Police
*Royal Air Force Police
*Scottish Ambulance Service Board
*a Scottish council where it is a fire authority
*Scottish Environment Protection Agency
*Secret Intelligence Service
*Security Service
*Serious Fraud Office
*the special police forces (including the Scottish Drug Enforcement Agency)
*the territorial police forces
*Welsh Ambulance Services NHS Trust
….
We Brits are very happy with our government and their efforts to maintain peace/tranquillity/law and order. If this isn’t so, you can call me aunt Sally!
Directed surveillance & covert human intelligence sources[edit]
The reasons for which the use of directed surveillance & covert human intelligence sources is permitted vary with each authority. Refer to the legislation for more specific information.
*the armed forces
*Charity Commission
*Commission for Healthcare Audit and Inspection
*a county council or district council in England, a London borough council, the Common Council of the City of London in its capacity as a local authority, the Council of the Isles of Scilly, and any county council or county borough council in Wales
*Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (for the purposes of the Marine Fisheries Agency)
*Department of Health (for the purposes of the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency)
*Department of Trade and Industry
*Department for Transport (for the purposes of transport security, Vehicle and Operator Services Agency, Driving Standards Agency and Maritime and Coastguard Agency)
*Department for Work and Pensions
*Environment Agency
*Financial Services Authority
*a fire authority
*Food Standards Agency
*Gambling Commission
*Gangmasters Licensing Authority
*Government Communications Headquarters
*Commissioners of Revenue and Customs
*Home Office (for the purposes of HM Prison Service and the UK Border Agency)
*Ministry of Defence
*Northern Ireland Office (for the purposes of the Northern Ireland Prison Service)
*Ofcom
*Office of Fair Trading
*Office of the Deputy Prime Minister
*Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
*Postal Services Commission
*Port of Dover Police
*Port of Liverpool Police
*Royal Mail
*Secret Intelligence Service
*Security Service
*Serious Fraud Office
*Welsh Government (for the purposes of the NHS Directorate, NHS Finance Division, Common Agricultural Policy Management Division and Care Standards *Inspectorate for Wales)
*a territorial police force or special police force
…..
Directed surveillance[edit]
*The reasons for which the use of directed surveillance is permitted vary with each authority. Refer to the legislation for more specific information.
Health & Safety Executive
*Information Commissioner
*Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Schools in England (for the purposes of the Complaints, Investigation and Enforcement Team)
*General Pharmaceutical Council
………
Controversy[edit]
Critics claim that the spectres of terrorism, internet crime and paedophilia were used to push the act through and that there was little substantive debate in the House of Commons. The act has numerous critics, many of whom regard the RIPA regulations as excessive and a threat to civil liberties in the UK. Campaign group Big Brother Watch published a report in 2010 investigating the improper use of RIPA by local councils.[2] Critics such as Keith Vaz, the chairman of the House of Commons home affairs committee, have expressed concern that the act is being abused for “petty and vindictive” cases.[3] Similarly, Brian Binley, MP for Northampton South has urged councils to stop using the law, accusing them of acting like comic strip detective Dick Tracy.[4]
The Trading Standards Institute has been very critical of these views, stating that the use of surveillance is critical to their success.TSI press release
It has been suggested[who?] that the “deniable encryption” features in free software such as FreeOTFE, TrueCrypt and BestCrypt will make the task of investigations featuring RIPA much more difficult.
Another concern is that the Act requires sufficiently large UK Internet Service Providers to install technical systems to assist law enforcement agencies with interception activity. Although this equipment must be installed at the ISPs’ expense, RIPA does provide that Parliament will examine appropriate funding for ISPs if the cost burden became unfairly high.
………
Here is a Wiki link if anyone is interested, it covers:
*Accusations of oppressive use
*Identification of Journalists’ Sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
Argh, no edit function, this comment was supposed to be at the end of my post. Hopefully nobody reads it.
We Brits are very happy with our government and their efforts to maintain peace/tranquillity/law and order. If this isn’t so, you can call me aunt Sally
I thought Bob was YOUR uncle. If your aunt is Sally, then who the hell is this Sam? Uh oh, how the hell did we wind up in Chinatown, Jake?
“…Grandpa! He’s my Dad…he’s the best darn dad and grandkid ever had…”
mellonheads
Cloud Storage! Why would the NSA or the rest of the supra national spy group, Five Eyes (FVEY) spend tax dollars collecting metadata when they have the private companies doing it for them inadvertently or not.
I love this from Apple: “Apple – iCloud – Everything you love, everywhere you go.”
From Wikipedia: “Documents leaked by Snowden in 2013 revealed that the FVEY have been spying on one another’s citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on domestic spying.”
So for the life of me I can’t figure out why Sir Malcolm didn’t finger point at the other four nations of FVEY, US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand for not alerting the UK to the May 2013 murder of the soldier since they spy for each other to avoid breaching domestic laws.
In Canada, where I live, we had two similar murders attributed to “micro terrorism” of soldiers in Ottawa our nation’s capital and in Quebec in October 2014. All within 48 hours and not connected. Both murderers were known to authorities and the murderer in Quebec had had his passport revoked by the RCMP. So despite all the collection of personal information from social media, the web, telecommunication companies by FVEY as well as normal police and intelligence agencies investigations they are incapable of stopping a “terrorist” attack whether macro or micro in nature.
Our Conservative government under the harness of PM Harper was unable to account for $3.1 billion in anti-terrorism funding between the years 2001-2009! This startling news came from Canada’s Auditor General’s audit of the Public Security and Anti-Terrorism Initiative (PSAT). The government spent a total of $12.9 billion on this initiative during this time period yet 1/4 of this money “can’t” be accounted for, or more apt, won’t be accounted for because the government would have had to explain how they had spent the money on FVEY joint infrastructure which is being used to circumvent domestic laws and regulations. What the UK and other FVEY countries are doing in what seems to be a joint PR strategy is to finally make these operations overt to its citizens in the guise that this will prevent further murders attributed to terrorism.
“In an attempt to tighten our increasingly tenuous grip on power, we would like to ban all private communication. Obey, or we’ll call you a terrorist.”
Notice how the govt cannot ever consider its own culpubility in the form of fallout and hidden costs/price for its hobby of world domination.
Alternatives to FB abound already and they are losing customers in droves in the US.
Perhaps creating legal obligations for social media sites is something they actually want… as a barrier to entry for competitors.
They don’t exactly have a track record of putting their customers first.
Another thing to consider is that there are numerous websites for various terror groups (I wouldn’t recommend visiting).
Rather than trying to shut them down, which could be done fairly easily, they are monitored and mined for intel by concerned governments.
Perhaps the “outrage” about “terror enabling” by social media is designed to encourage terrorists to use what are compromised platforms?
FB “privacy”? Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge…
Nice correction Glenn. I can think of a few other titles for our old mate Malcs…
Does anyone else remember the McCarthy era, when movie studios were accused of harboring enemies of the state and were forced to offer up their employees to prove the studios’ patriotism? These were the same movie studios that cranked out patriotic propaganda for every war, but that didn’t exempt them from suspicion when the paranoia machine was running at full speed. No matter how much a business cooperates with the government, there will always come a time when more cooperation is needed. Actively provided access to the Facebook server and passively permitted access to unencrypted internet traffic on trunk lines are not enough. Now Facebook must inform on members of its family who are insufficiently patriotic.
It seems pretty obvious from this story and pretty predictable without it, that the volume of information being intercepted is making the task of finding the specific information they want impossible. What a benefit it would be to the spies if the terrorists or whatever were to kindly flag all their secret communications by encrypting them. Then the spies could easily use the keys they got from the encryption sellers to get all the info they want. The only problem with that is that everybody now knows that they have those keys so the secret messages are hiding in plain sight, where the spies can’t see them. What the spies need is for the asssertion to be widely spread that there are new encryptions which the government no longer has keys to and which would allow anyone who wanted to to hide their communications even though such encryption would never be allowed to be openly sold by the governments in question. Yes, the two noises are connected but not in the way the author suggests.
ONE THING you have to remember is that UK spying is authorised by MINISTERS whereas US spying is approved by the Judiciary.
RIFKIND, the know-nothing who wrote this report, is a former minister who was known never to refuse an spying application. He is the worst of the worst and simply holds his present position so he can go on milking the public purse.
He, and other UK government politicians, ‘think’ they can order American companies, in America, lawfully operating under American law to do what the British government wants them to do.
BUT what is significant about the mutterings from RIFKIND is the mentality that is running amok in British political circles and until they are trapped by GCHQ little is likely to change.
NSA, GCHQ (Motto: “All of GCHQ’s work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework, which ensure[s] that our activities are authorized, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the Secretary of State, the Interception and Intelligence Services Commissioners and the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee. All of our operational processes rigorously support this position”, MI5 and MI6 are simply abject failures.
These failures include 2001 September, numerous aircraft attacks – only thwarted by the Freedom Fighter’s incompetence, the London subway bombing, etc.
The SNOWDEN ARCDHIVES illustrate, repeatedly, how these incompetents consistently praise their prowess. As to how they can attack everything and crack them (forgetting about PGP) so, I ask, why can’t they find people threatening to kill others on FB?
The answer is, they can’t. What a waste of money!
We need a preemptive strike on the house of Lords. They hate us for our freedoms.
I think we’re getting a bit off-topic here; I’m not sure what the House of Lords has to do with it. For the record, Baroness Jones sits in the House of Lords, but Sir Malcolm does not – he is a knight, not a lord. Different.
The point is that Britain and the US are gradually putting together all the surveillance infrastructure needed for an authoritarian or even totalitarian state. What, if anything, are we going to do about it?
@J M Ward: QUOTE: “is that Britain and the US are gradually putting together all the surveillance infrastructure needed for an authoritarian or even totalitarian state.”
Sorry, you are using the wrong tense. Britain and the US HAS PUT together all the surveillance infrastructure needed for an authoritarian or even totalitarian state.
I live in VietNam and, as a Foreigner, I am more sensitive to privacy matters than many others living here. As a technician I take great interest in CCTV cameras – of which there a few hundred in Ho Chi Minh City, a city of TEN MILLION souls – and other uses of technology.
Unless we are vigilant, government WILL complete the process.
I will give you an example. I live, when in Ho Chi Minh City, a condominium apartment building (i.e. privately owned). Each apartment has a ‘communication centre’ whereby we can control building access using CCTV cameras, our individual apartment front doors (which have card keys and CCTV cameras) and receive emergency warnings from the security people on case of a fire, etc.
This system was installed by the apartment developer, a company from Singapore.
I noticed that these ‘communication centres’ were not placed for ease of use, rather so they could be seen from most parts of the condominium. Mine was in the centre of a wall which would prevent furniture from being placed under the ‘communication centre’ if I wanted to use it. But it looked across the living room and down a hallway.
So I opened it up and disconnected the internal microphone and camera – simply a matter of pulling connectors.
A couple of days later a ‘communication centre’ technician banged on my door and told me my ‘communication centre’ was defective. I asked as to how he knew and he said “They knew”. When pressed on the point he admitted that the ‘office’ end could actually both listen in and view my apartment interior without my knowledge. In other words our hired management could spy on owners.
I told him that I had disconnected the ‘communication centre’ because I realised what it was doing. Then the management got involved and protested my action. So at a meeting of owners I talked about the spying ‘communication centres’ and asked who had approved them.The representative form the Singaporean company that installed and maintained the things said that ‘it was standard practice in Singapore’.
THIS is what we have to fight against.
BTW, VietNam is much more free than either the UK or the USA. The police can’t randomly stop us (they have to salute us when they want to talk to us); they can’t have ‘honey trap’ traffic stops – all traffic police have to stand in the open and not behind trees. Sure there is mild censorship – no rabid Western news broadcasts and certain Texas and California web sites are blocked.
But we at least feel ‘free’.
Hello, Jay HUGHES. Thank you for posting this in detail. So helpful.
So the Singaporean company installs and maintains spy equipment in the “communication center” as a standard practice in Singapore. Does that mean the Vietnamese building managers have to use the spy equipment? Or is the Singaporean company also managing the building?
At least you were able to warn the other building residents, so they could respond to the situation in full knowledge.
Love the correction.
You might want to correct all the misspelled versions of his name, too. He is not Sir Macolm or Sir Malcom.
I know it is foolish to act as if the spelling of a message has anything to do with the validity of a message. But why give them that stick to beat you with? They’ll say your reporting on complex cyber-stuff is unreliable if you can’t even get British titles right and spell routine names correctly.
Sorry, Jay HUGHES. This was supposed to be a free-standing comment, not a reply to you. I apologize for my ineptitude with the commenting system.
Now that is a House that needs Term Limits.
Unlike the elected House of Commons, most new members of the House of Lords are appointed.[4] Membership of the House of Lords is made up of Lords Spiritual and Lords Temporal. There are currently 26 Lords Spiritual who sit in the Lords by virtue of their ecclesiastical role in the established Church of England.[5] The Lords Temporal make up the rest of the membership; of these, the majority are life peers who are appointed by the Monarch on the advice of the Prime Minister, or on the advice of the House of Lords Appointments Commission; the rest are hereditary peers.
Lets reintroduce the draft and put these aristorats in their place again.
How many holes does it take to fill the house of Lords?
Every move the GCHQ, and the NSA, make in their attempts to more fully expand their privacy invasion powers, further lessens their stature in the eyes of normal people everywhere, and their pedantic ravings are hilarious.
The fool Rifkind is bereft of any redeeming quality.
“….. This article originally and erroneously referred to the knighted Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee as “Sir Rifkind” rather than his proper medieval title: “Sir Malcolm.” The Intercept sincerely apologizes for this gauche breach of aristocratic protocol…..”
That’s funny, because his peers have always refereed to him a “Sir Douche Bag”….
Glenn
I love that you are calling this bozo “Sir Rifkind”. People who serve the English state like this dude are sometimes rewarded with titles like “Sir” “Lord” and “Baroness.” It is customary to refer to “Sirs” by their first, or “Christian” name, as in “Sir Ian” rather than “Sir McKellan.” People who care about this stuff get very, very upset when you get the appellation wrong. Whether intentional or accidental, your decision to call this pathetic flack “Sir Rifkind” will offend him greatly. Keep up the good work!
I should perhaps have pointed out that Baroness Jones (and not “Baroness Jenny”) is correct. You guys will never get the hang of this, you have to be brought up with it.
Dear Sir Glenn (sorry, the respectful form of address just seems to fall naturally from the keyboard),
I’d like to follow the lead of Sir Bruce (Schneier) in making the following points, of all of which I am sure the UK goverment is well aware:
1) Hindsight is wonderfully precise; of course it wasn’t difficult, once the names of the murderers were known, to go back and identify messages on their social media accounts that contained clues and indications about their intentions. Yet there will also be many similar messages emanating from people who have not committed murders, and do not intend to. The problem is identifying them in advance. The number of people actually carrying out their declared intentions is a tiny percentage of those who make these statements, and therein lies the problem – distinguishing the “false positives” from the real ones. If the internet companies passed all the similar “possibles” to the intelligence agencies, the latter would be swamped with cases to investigate. Not even the entire CIA, FBI and MI5/6 combined would be able to evaluate them all to eliminate the “negatives”. It has been tried: the NSA and CIA started passing possible leads based on recognition of communications patterns and dubious content to the FBI, who found themselves swamped with leads, the vast majority of which led nowhere, but distracted them from more productive targeted law enforcement methods. Irritated, they told the other agencies to desist. It’s the very low probability of real terrorist activity that leads to the overwhelming “false positive” effect.
For anyone interested in numerical examples, the relatively simple statistical and probability maths is demonstrated well by Bruce Schneier, here: [https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/03/data_mining_for.html]. He notes the difference between trying to find these rare events and, for instance, credit card companies mining data to detect fraud patterns, which is much easier to get right because there is so much more fraud, and because we don’t mind the occasional inconvenience of having to confirm that we really did want to make that transaction.
2) It is not the job of the social media companies to detect possible criminal activity and report it, any more than it is the job of British Telecom to monitor our telephone conversations and report the ones that mention the word “bomb” too many times, or the job of chemists’ shops and garden centres to collaborate to check that we aren’t assembling the components for a bomb. It is the job of the intelligence agencies, who we now know have pretty much unfettered access to all our e-mails, including content, and other communications, but whose problem in scanning them is pretty much summarised in (1) above – how do you tell what’s really significant within the massive amount of “noise”? Don’t forget that there are literally billions of social media users, and hundreds of billions of communications. What the intelligence agencies and the police do have is the leads based on tried-and-tested police methods, which they can then follow up with further warranted investigation. In the Lee Rigby case, they had those leads, and could have followed them up, but did not, apparently from a lack of manpower resources. If they didn’t have the capacity to follow up clear indications like that, what hope is there of their following up the huge number of possible leads they would get from, for instance, Facebook? Asking the internet companies to provide even more hay to hide the needle in would be costly, massively counterproductive, and duplicating a job that GCHQ and the NSA are already doing by tapping the trunk fibre-optic international internet connectors, at Bude, in Cyprus, and many other internet hubs across the world. What is needed here is not yet more gigabytes of irrelevant information, but improvements in the efficiency of (good old) targeted police investigation.
3) It is interesting that data mining of this sort, while useless for detecting terrorists, is much better at detecting other patterns of activity and communications common to larger numbers of people: the Occupy movement, for instance, or the Green Party. Baroness (Jenny) Jones has in a way already discovered this: [http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/jenny-jones-an-extremist-nice-work-met-police-9543937.html]. So if you join a civil rights organisation or protest group – be aware. Think before you write.
I would surmise that, especially in an age where austerity might lead to civil unrest, this is the real reason behind the government’s desire for ever more information. It’s certainly not terrorism; I’m sure the bright lads at GCHQ and the NSA can do the probability sums just as well as Bruce Schneier or Alexander Furnas [http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/04/homeland-securitys-pre-crime-screening-will-never-work/255971/].
Dear Sir Glenn,
Sir Malcolm is the loon who, early on during the Snowden revelations, saw fit to inform the British public during a television interview that the information collected on them was “only metadata”, pretty much like the address and sender’s address on an envelope. I don’t think he has quite yet come to terms with the mobile phone and e-mail – he always seems to me rather bewildered by the whole internet thing. He doesn’t seem to be aware that GCHQ and the NSA actually collect everything, including content. After all, NSA Bluffdale isn’t being constructed just to store bitcoins. (Just occurred to me – it could be mining them though – maybe that’s how they’re paying for it. Must try to think that one through).
Anyway, he’s just the chap to chair the Intelligence and Security Committee, really. His smartphone is probably smarter than he is, at least where anything to do with the Web is concerned
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Re correction: Had a feeling some Brit was gonna pick you up for that, Glenn. Not to worry; no one expects Americans to know why some sirs get referred to by their given names while others get to keep the family name.
Let’s go back a generation, before the Internet. We communicated in person, by phone or by mail. Nobody recorded our private conversations, tapped our phones withut a warrant or intercepted and read our first class mail, period. We’re positively open season now on all fronts.
Governments want it all, but they are too shy to say so. So they hire gumshoes in the private sector having no stoop too low..
Dunno where you are from, but, back in the day, they could wiretap your phone. The USPS is, apparently, photocopying the front of every piece of mail going through, showing address and return address. How long has this been going on? Who knows? Phone companies have had metadata for a good long while. I used to get a paper bill that showed all that shit.
Bottom line: Technology isn’t the problem. The spying, lying gummint agencies are. Also the politicos and telcos that protect them.
LOL.
Was just fixing to post the same comment. Since you beat me to it, how bout some more puppy pictures on Twitter, since this POS comment system seems to barely support quotation marks.
What I don’t get about all this is that the tech giants have been working hand in glove with the NSA et al and apparently quite willingly, at least by some, such as was reported about Microsoft and Skype. Yet, now after the Snowden leaks suddenly they are an enemy? I see the point from the tech company view that it hurts business – but really? that much? maybe they have lost big corporate account outside the US but I haven’t heard about big losses in the US. Suddenly they are the enemy? – seems odd to me.
Perhaps it is just them acting as a good partner and carrying PR water for them and propagandizing to make it look as if they don’t get along any more while in reality they are just as close as ever. Besides, they have physical clamps on so many cables they should be getting this stuff anyway – right?
As for the encryption from Apple or Google – I don’t trust them for a minute, I mean really – how many lies have they told post Snowden – many. When there is a user friendly encryption program I can get and install myself and have a way to verify it then I’ll think it is working. Something everyone can use which is open source and carefully scrutinized. Plus additional scanning programs to look for malware.
So, what part of Google is loosing business in such large amounts it decided to start a big fight with NSA? The fact that I don’t use them any more certainly has nothing to do with it.
“Perhaps it is just them acting as a good partner and carrying PR water for them and propagandizing to make it look as if they don’t get along any more while in reality they are just as close as ever.”
“Good guy Bad Guy” game piece as though anything, even professed technological concern for user privacy in the form of encryption, could absolve Silicon Valley Tech giants of guilt by collusion with government puppets of the Central Banking Master Elites.
Hogwash for stupid consumers.
Screw Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and every other Silicon Valley spy agency by refusing to use their products. Consumer no use….you loose.
Spy on yourselves.
Could it be that the fact that now different US/UK security service representatives “demonize social media” actually is a coordinated effort to give credibility to the half-hearted encryption efforts of the large social media companies abroad and among the tech-literate in an effort to take away commercial pressure from those companies to go down further the encryption route?
Could it be that Facebook says: “Dear spies, please show that you hate us, which will give our infrastructure credibility and we might not be forced to close some of those backdoors that are still open.”
Its pure speculation, of course, but this logic does not seem to me completely unrealistic.
So Sir Mumblemuck wants everybody’s communications filtered in real time through content detecting software so some branch of law enforcement or the military can instantly raid the offender’s residence. These days, the police cannot stop themselves from shooting a child with a pellet gun or a Walmart customer checking out the purchase of a shotgun. Soon they will be lobbing grenades into the apartments of those who post on Facebook when they get really excited about tomorrow’s football game.
It is way past time to get these nut cases to back off and recognize that there are very real reasons why citizens need freedom of speech and governments need to be transparent. It is hard for a transparent government to grossly exaggerate a threat for very long. It is hard for a transparent government to claim that the murder of a single soldier is a severe terrorist attack justifying the monitoring of every citizen’s communication.
It wasn’t a shot gun that John Crawford was holding and considering at Walmart, it was a BB air rifle, which is basically a toy gun; something that a 10 year old might get as Christmas present from Uncle Jimmy or Aunt Thelma, or maybe even from Mom and Dad.
And Ohio is an “open carry” state. Except for black people with toy guns.
Nowadays it’s the cops who’ll shoot your eye out.
Well said.
Whatever your views on security, that seems like an unreasonable onus to put on tech companies. I think in the case of eBay, for example, there was a ruling that they can’t be held responsible for counterfeit goods sold on the site, the responsibility falls on the representatives of the brand to monitor / inform. How many user conversations take place each day and what kind of manpower would it take to screen them?
I agree they are perhaps moving a bit too quickly. People are just becoming accustomed to the idea that the government has a right to spy on them, even if they’ve done nothing wrong. The next step is to normalize the concept that private corporations have a right to spy on them too. But they jumped immediately to the following stage; that private corporations have a duty to spy on people. That was perhaps asking the general public to absorb too much at once.
I’m not sure they’re asking.
It does seem like there’s a big difference between saying that 1.) If you’re informed of planning of illegal activity on your ‘premises’ you can’t let it continue 2.) You have a responsibility to make sure no one plans illegal activity on your premises. I mean, imagine applying a standard like that to restaurant or mall owners.
quote”People are just becoming accustomed to the idea that the government has a right to spy on them, even if they’ve done nothing wrong.”unquote
Only in your pathetic Totalitarian mind. Of course, such can be expected from one who would torture his own mother for movie change.
Relax, B.M. was laying out the govt’s M.O. and the idea they got ahead of themselves in terms of what the public could swallow at once. Presumption being, they’ll put up with anything and have all citizens even ratting on each other, when sufficiently scared, whipped up into a fear frenzy, and fighting with one another. Takes time and more “incidents” — cannot be done in one fell swoop. He (or she) didn’t mean it “literally” (in the literal sense, not the dramatic misused sense of the yougsters). Anyway, you’re on the same page here.
Another great article, Glenn,
It amazes me, nah, not really, how the public is so easily cowed by every proclamation from government that the ubiquitous “terrorists” are gonna getchya. We’ve spent trillions(that’s a really big number, mind numbing big) bombing and shooting and droning bad people(a few unlucky good ones) for well over a decade all the while our rights are being legislated or executive ordered away. I say let’s skip all the nonsense and start requiring everyone to report to their handler when they wake in the morning, where we will pee in a cup, submit to the polygraph examiner, and submit all communications recorded the previous day. Perhaps we could surgically implant a router and network adapter along with an HDD and we just plug in and upload everything to the handler’s server. Better yet we could all be hot spots with no encryption allowed live streaming through our handler’s server. I realize that’s ridiculous but so is what we have now. Keep on reporting the truth Glenn. The number of unstupified people is growing. Speak up, people.
Excellent article that hits too close to home. I just read this account of a man In the US who was arrested in his home after police noted that he had made claims of police profiling and racism on Facebook. The man was convicted of disorderly conduct and unlawful use of computerized communications.and has subsequently filed a lawsuit. From the article:
“According to the lawsuit filed Monday, an officer named Nicholas Stroik saw Smith’s comments and deleted them, along with comments from two other people who accused police of targeting black people.”
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/283853771.html
Wow, thanks for that link, Sillyputty.
I can’t believe those charges. I’m glad the judge dismissed them. Hope he wins the lawsuit!!!
Terrorists also use telephones so we should probably ban them too.
And language…
Semaphores,flags and hand signals also.A citizenchip in every head will prevent this.
quoteTerrorists also use telephones so we should probably ban them too.”unquote
As well as people. They use couriers. Ban people. And the paper they write messages on too. And pencils and pens. And fingers. Hell..let’s ban the whole goddamned univese. After all..they communicate in it.
note to self..file Lord Shitforbrains under
Darwins mistake.
Ongoing Kim Dotcom case @ NZ (< USA) not at all unrelated as regards the alleged responsibilities of social media companies / internet websites re: their users' postings. Cf. Kim Dotcom live @ London via video-link just the other day:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68-PYA7uuGI
I listened to Kim Dotcom’s video and tweeted it 2x, each time with a different message.
I especially like the part where he says ‘encryption never killed anyone’, when faced with
accusations that he was helping child abusers.’Stop sending drones into families, stop sending
drones into wedding parties’.
thanks!
GG, the correct form is “Sir Malcolm” not “Sir Rifkind”, for age-old reasons I do not know. So when the inevitable happens and you kneel before our dear Queen to receive your knighthood, she will say “Arise, Sir Glenn”.
quote”GG, the correct form is “Sir Malcolm”.”unquote
No, the correct form is Sir Shitferbrains.
Not to be confused with Runningshitefertrains, Sir David.
Sounds so fucking stupid if you don’t know which one, am I left, little Whiggies? Omand, like the guy who used to lie as head of GCHQ, but now does it for giggles in his ludicrous retirement unless he’s scheduled himself with a train and the press at the same moment. When the going gets rough, he can always bore a train.
Seems any disgusting old perv can get a knighthood if they know the right people to blackmail. They put the hood in Hoody.
OMG, Rupert’s head might explode. He’s always hoped against civility he might arise to such dizzying rights.
He’d go off like the telecoms on Sprint’s goat poker if Glenn was made a Lorde. Butt we all get that joke is on US.
Speaking of goats…I’ve said enough. Rupert would give his right nut for those Putin butterballs.
Oh, and… Had to catch a glimpse of the current The New Yorker cover to remember…
Anyone else old enough to recall the McDonald’s Hamburgers sign that used to display Over [number] Billion Served**?
Not only are they inadequate to the task, they’re unimaginative. Advertising conceived in the 1950s. w00t, eh?
**http://overhowmanybillionserved.blogspot.com/
I’d agree western social media are terrorist allies, though on behalf of the greater five-eyes plus. That is the assassination of western intelligentsia and it’s subsequent participatory contribution results in a severely western polarized content availability which in turn leads to foreign and domestic policy creation detrimental to the health of the population. Most of the non-western population is consciously aware of certain forms of political propaganda infused in content, though there’s a lesser awareness of the “negative component” which can have a similarly destructive effect. The ‘negative component is content that’s specifically prevented or erased from availability; some is material that would teach or enable awareness of various idea’s and concepts healthy or beneficial to the non-western population such as foundational morality concepts emanating from various ethnic origins or especially specific desirable ethnic behaviors and traits which could be learned and circulated within the population. It’s apparently deemed unaligned with the goal of western theft of society, technology and the future, therefore consequently targeted.
The techniques being employed to orchestrate the control of content are very much illegal and immoral and directly lead to various problems, compound problems and ultimately genocide/eugenics/epigenetics. The highly illegal and unethical unilateral use of “the people’s intel” for the purpose of manipulating content availability and *manipulating the end point reception of that content as well is outright theft and anticipated statistical murder/genocide of which the end beneficiaries of the crimes should be publicly charged and prosecuted under a legitimate legal system.
It’s a calculated cultural genocide, erasing the environment and atmosphere necessary for healthy development of anyone of non-western r1b related origin. People can become unhealthy, unhappy, sick, end up marrying the wrong people, retaliating against the wrong source or other victims for problems caused ETC ETC.
phew!
“ “So who is next? Do the telecoms companies have to listen in to all our calls to spot potential wrongdoing? Should Google be reading all our Gmail? Should the postal service be reading people’s mail?” said one.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/26/lee-rigby-report-facebook-silicon-valley-uk-government
Clearly the answer from the government is yes. But, logically, why would you hold facebook any more responsible than a phone company for a murderer having used their services to communicate? They can take reasonable measures, taking down a facebook page that is flagged as a meeting ground for criminal activity, but to expect real time monitoring of hundreds of millions of users? Absurd. The result would be similar to what happens when you try to discuss something covered by a “D Notice” in a British paper’s comment section. What you get…is no comment section, because Under the British legal regime, the government holds the British newspaper responsible for each and every comment.
This is the point that immediately sprang to my mind. The Guardian article above points this out, and there are the many other good articles that GG points to, but the rest of fleet street is towing the government line. This leads me to believe that in government and media, they just don’t “get it” yet. The Rifkind report is operating in a fantasy land where nobody has learned from Snowden that Facebook, Google, Apple are already cooperating with government, they are in a parallel universe where we don’t know yet that government is already taking surreptitiously what the tech giants aren’t giving willingly.
This is a bit OT, but maybe you or someone else might have some comment:
“The result would be similar to what happens when you try to discuss something covered by a “D Notice” in a British paper’s comment section. What you get…is no comment section, because Under the British legal regime, the government holds the British newspaper responsible for each and every comment.”
I have noticed recently, especially with articles on Ferguson and Bill Cosby, that comments at The Guardian have been put off or temporarily closed. I would have loved to comment on one or two of those) as there were some I felt were excellent, but having to come back and not being exactly sure when the comments would be open again; well it just didn’t happen. Is it related to your observation? Has anyone else noticed this? Is it getting better or worse? Inquiring minds want to know.
Hello, feline16. Although I don’t know specifically why comments were temporarily closed on those specific stories, if staffing is low, someone may decide to disable comments until there are enough moderators to deal with an expected exuberance of reader posts on a controversial story.
I agree that it is inconvenient for readers. Perhaps the announcement should include specifics: comments will not be enabled for this story, comments will be enabled at 8 a.m. BST, or something like that. I used to get particularly annoyed when they said comments would be re-opened “in the morning” without saying whose morning (AU or UK or US) and which hour of the morning.
The Guardian’s d-e-d,dead.Zionist’s circling the wagons of mis and disinfo.Though they still have a couple of decent columnists in Timm and Milne,the neoliberal mantra of continued neocon destruction of lives around the world continues to be backed by the editors.
So sad,as it used to be a breath of fresh air in a putrid MSM environment.
Are you certain they haven’t hung themselves with their coverage of their own stories by excessive repeats?
Seek each section in the UK version and see what is so obviously being screened by the same BS tactics that place quality above the eye and BS in one’s face. The smart pipes are selecting our news for us by abusing the layouts. Intercept themselves mislead with stale ledes. I was bitching about the stale news here before I found this story was spot on, but who fucking knows if it’s fucking buried itself? Guardian has ultimately buried their own media section, the one the police, pols and other papers hate the most. Is their editor GCHQ, too?
It could employ a lot of people, which would be a good thing in this economy. However, don’t think that is exactly the purpose…
Could it be that the “demonizing of social media” on behalf of US/UK security officials is in fact a coordinated effort to give credibility to some half-hearted efforts of those very same social media companies with the aim to take away commercial pressure to go further down the encryption route?
I could imagine Facebook saying: “Dear spies, you better don’t come across as my friends, otherwise I have to encrypt more and better, and you will get less information. If however you declare me your enemy, this will give me enough credibility among techies and abroad to allow me to keep a couple of backdoors open”
This is complete speculation, of course, but I do find this thought not very far fetched and this logic might work.
A (long overdue) Presidential Medal to Greenwald. Truth is, ultimately, the only thing we have to hold on to; and sanity is what’s here at stake.
Oh, no, sanity is not predicated on a victory and it is not what is won by one either. That is a Fools’ Dominion.
I encourage you to think outside the box canyon. It is not insane to imagine the worst; that way, you won’t be so disappointed when you bushwhacked brother is eaten by hogs. That is risk management with a rational survival mechanism, don’t defeat them! Exploit them before the hog eats you.
In the beginning – wherever and whenever one might place that marker – there used to be some delineation between the tools necessary for combating terrorism, which actually was considered a law enforcement issue but has now become part of the military purview, and criminal activities and their pursuit. Ever since the two were successfully conflated, a process which accelerated considerably during the Bush administration (especially post-9/11) and has been consolidated almost to completion under Obama, the tools used for these once socially distinct activities have also been conflated and merged. We are witnessing this in exquisite detail right now in Ferguson, with the influx of FBI, DHS and other federal agents in addition to the already existing and formidably armed police agencies which have been there all along.
If NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly were an honest man, then he would have admitted in his statement that the effort under discussion is not law enforcement, or even the terrorism that more federally oriented agencies howl about incessantly, but rather social enforcement. Hence the efforts to divert attention away from their inability to actually use those tools with any documentable success for prevention and shame/legislate/enforce the cooperation of all elements of society that might in any tiny way provide hoi polloi with anything remotely resembling true freedom.
Point The First:
When read more deeply suggests that if “The Agencies” had any skill in connecting the dots they might have had a little more to say for themselves. If said Agencies have no skill in connecting the dots, then said Agencies are, effectively, an employ the below-standard bureaucrat program. I knew the UK was considered a “Socialist country,” despite the best efforts of Margaret Thatcher (with their national health care that does discriminate on the health practices of the citizen, and all), but to extend those economic benefits into its surveillance state is really quite revealing.
Then, it makes sense that the UK gov’t would want a tech company – like FaceBook – to step in and perform the “connect the dots” function for them. The Agencies, hamstrung by their inept or inapt analysts need HELP!! And, it only makes sense that gov’ts , demand that they offer assistance when required. It’s only a marginally amusing that these elected Protectors of the Homeland and Warriors Against Terrorism think that FaceBook’s employees are more skilled than their own Agencies’ analysts.
Of course, were I a laborer, in said Agencies – drowning in a Collect it all! environment – with the tsunami of incoming data flooding my desk – I might be a little more than resentful of that sly slam against my capabilities. I might fume, Since you’ve set me up to try to swallow, digest and make sense of this flood of Collect it all!!, Sir Rifkin, why don’t you change places with me and see if you can do any better. Asshole.
Point The Second:
Those sneaky trade agreements which “charter,” “permit,” and “foster the oligarchical environment” in which these tech companies thrive is a real lever to use against those same tech companies. Those tech companies may have sufficient funds to buy a legislator or two, and promote lavish lobbying efforts, but they still swim in that political swamp – er, soup. Even if it’s a small lever, it’s still a lever. And, if I’m not mistaken, one of those sneaky trade agreements is being negotiated – in secret, of course – right now.
Facebook has marketed an image as a network where ordinary people can share photographs of silly looking cats. But I’m not surprised to learn it was a front all along for a terrorist command and control network. By the end of 2013, it reportedly had over 1.2 billion monthly users – surely one of the largest terrorist groups ever. I can only hope that General Dynamics had the foresight to build scalability into its production lines.
Who are you, Benito? I think I like your style.
Be forewarned, he’s addictive. You might even sell out your own mother…
The “no fly” list will be growing longer now that the government understands that Facebook users are likely to be terrorists.
Poor Murdoch, My Space is just the hub for Sovereign Citizens, the toothless blunders.
I remember when the US government praised citizen protests that were organized on social media, and it was the repressive governments of Asia and the Arab world that were outraged. I guess it’s all relative, eh.
gotta remember – that guy who “single-handedly” launched the SM campaign in Egypt was a google employee. certain google departments = state department jobbers. also, about 3 years ago a bunch of high-ups moved from intelligence agencies into hi mgmt jobs at google.
You can say that, again! Of course, the English will blame it on their French relations., Sacre Blue!
“America’s 60 Families,” I can’t recommend them socially, but socialists loved this book for their indelible stats.
Thank good the Evil Twins were set aside and the Zuckerbug was handed the control box. It would be harder to take this shite from two uppity white grads. Better the antihero with a big chip on his shoulder to bleed us.