Al Qaeda claims to have come up with the perfect recipe for a deadly bomb, it’s just too embarrassed to tell its legions of devoted followers where they are supposed to place it: inside their rectal cavity. It’s a modern dilemma for a would-be retro-caliphate.
Five years after the so-called “underwear bomber” tried to blow up a plane by hiding explosives in his underpants, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP as it’s known, is taking another look at bombs hidden in places of an intimate nature, or what the terrorist group modestly calls the “hidden bomb.” A twenty-two page spread in the latest issue of AQAP’s flagship Inspire magazine gives step-by-step instructions on how to build a bomb designed to be hidden inside or near the rectal cavity — except the writer balks at talking about the last, most critical (and intimate) step: where to actually put the bomb.
Instead, the magazine merely alludes to placing “the bomb where the [airport] employee do [sic] not reach and have no right to touch or pat, like ‘Umar Farouq did.”
Umar Farouq Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian national who had joined AQAP while studying in Yemen, tried unsuccessfully to blow up a U.S.-bound airline on Christmas Day 2009. Abdumutallab had hidden in his underwear chemical explosives, which he planned to detonate using a syringe. His plan was foiled, a top TSA official later revealed, because the bomber had not changed his underwear for two weeks, thus degrading the explosives. (Inspire reassures followers that even if they fail like the original underwear bomber they will still have succeeded.)
Except this time around, however, the Inspire article obliquely references the need to go where Abdulmutallab was perhaps unwilling to go, and place the bomb directly inside the terrorist’s body. The magazine cites the example of Abdullah al-Asiri, an AQAP member who died in 2009 trying to kill a senior Saudi government official; al-Asiri reportedly hid the bomb in his rectal cavity.
Rectal bombs are a touchy subject and Al Qaeda members aren’t the only ones afraid of talking about it. U.S. news organizations also struggled in trying to describe the al-Asiri attack with the New York Times writing that the “bomb had been hidden internally” (though the newspaper also referred to it later in the article as a “rectal bomb”) and the Associated Press merely says the bomb was “inside” Al-Asiri’s body (some accounts claimed it was strapped to al-Asiri’s legs).
The jihadist magazine claims to have been conducting recent experiments to identify easy-to-find materials for its rectal bomb (eggs, vinegar and nail polish are involved), and includes specific techniques for avoiding explosive detection screenings. “An [airport] employee pats most of the parts of the body EXCEPT some parts,” the article says.
The magazine points to several major U.S., British and French airlines that should be targeted with its new rectal bomb, and gives advice on which flights to book and where to sit on the airplane. In addition to civilian airlines, Inspire says butt bombers should consider assassination — “American economy high profile personalities,” like Ben Bernanke and Bill Gates.
A spokesman for AQAP told The Intercept that AQAP sees the “hidden bomb” as a way of refocusing the terrorist organization’s attention on external attacks at a time when the group is facing an extended U.S. drone campaign, as well as an internal threats in Yemen from the government army and a rising Houti insurgency. The new bomb, the spokesman said, is to show that these threats “didn’t divert AQAP away from its main goal to target America.”
The article notes that AQAP waited for several years before providing the butt bomb-making details, but has now “decided to release it as a part of a complete program for the Lone Mujahid.”
While avoiding the practicalities of placing a bomb inside one’s posterior, the magazine does offer some helpful advice to the would-be lone Mujahid butt bomber once seated 0n the plane: “Relax, do not become tense.”
– Casey L. Coombs contributed reporting from Sanaa.
Photo: Inspire magazine
I don’t see why they act so modest. These al Qaeda guys are constantly fiddling with each other’s assholes. Why get all uncomfortable talking about it when it really counts and it’s not just friendly assplay between brethren?
I like the part where Bernanke and Gates are on the list. How does it feel ass clowns?
I think this bomb has been around for awhile- it is called McDonalds
I am unsettled by the snarky tone of this piece. What if Al Queda (or whoever) gets of their squeamishness?
@Sufi:
I drink to your good health and tenacity, Mr Sufi. Hope you have a Great New Year! To Cindy too and to all others who agree or disagree with me.
You are right this time, Mr Sufi. But, I did say “often that is”, did I not? I did not say “always”. The trouble is you probably read and copy what I write but fail to comprehend. Hope in the New Year this will get corrected. All the best!
You’re not fleeing again, are you?
I’ve asked you several questions. Will you take the time to answer them, and also address the points I’ve raised, in a thoughtful manner, or do you just like to throw some virtual rocks at people and then run away, when challenged?
Are you going to read some of the people I’ve mentioned and listen/watch their discourses, or is a serious research not your thing?
The way you lashed out at what I write, you certainly gave me the impression that you were familiar with my writings here. So, there’s no need to pretend otherwise.
Have a good New Year!
Please do spend some time with an ordinary Muslim family during the holiday.
Mein Gott! I am now going to see Gods Must be Crazy II. I’ll reply sometime later.
While you are planning your next virtual rock throwing and the escape route, I’d like to point out one instance when an action through the higher self would have/could have saved many, many lives and destruction.
Remember how the Second Palestinian Intifada began?
It was triggered when Ariel Sharon went to visit the al-Aqsa mosque and took soldiers with him. His intention was to lay claim to that little piece of land, and there were suggestions that as part of the peace agreement the Palestinians might be allowed to keep and manage the mosque area.
The Palestinians started to throw rocks and the military fired upon them killing and injuring some.
After that, all hell broke loose and the peace process died, and many, many people were killed thereafter.
Had the Palestinian leaders acted through the higher consciousness — and I admit it would not have been easy — they would’ve greeted Sharon with respect and love, allowed him to roam around that area and offered him dates and coffee.
The whole thing would’ve been diffused.
Violence is not the answer to every conflict or potential conflict and provocation.
It begets, and has been begetting, more violence, and a significant numbers of people killed or maimed are innocent non-combatants, not to mention all other destruction violence causes.
It is much easier to turn to violence than to strive to groom the self so that it reflects the higher in our actions.
The insults to Sufism here are as offensive as women-hating.
Just saying.
Soul receives from soul that knowledge, therefore not by book nor from tongue.
If knowledge of mysteries come after emptiness of mind, that is illumination of heart.
(Rumi – Sufi Poet)
Well said Cindy. Sufi Muslim is one of the few here that practices what they preach, so to speak.
Many thanks to both of for the complements. I appreciate it.
But I must eat the humble pie to protect my self from the rise of the ego.
Here’s a Rumi day book collected by two of our teachers:
http://www.amazon.com/Rumi-Daybook-Kabir-Helminski/dp/1590308948/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1419789674&sr=1-5&keywords=kabir+helminski
Cindy,
Wrong conclusion about Sufism. Nobody is insulting Sufism here – you can’t insult concepts, only criticize them – but even that has not occurred.
Inaction by some people who profess Sufism is under criticism, which should not be considered as “insult” to either Sufism or to its followers – unless people have a bloated ego that prevents them from accepting criticism. It is high time they realized they must get off their butts and act, or else they will soon have those large diameter black colored explosives (see the picture above) shoved up (read the article above) ;-) Obviously, if they don’t act then we have to act, which again they are allergic to.
I hope this is not an invitation to an esoteric someone to start his exoteric rant once again.
Just saying ;-)
Well, it looked to me like you were insulting Sufism – which you clearly don’t (want to) appreciate or comprehend.
If you would read some of the links Sufi Muslim gave you, you might see what I mean. Sufism is an extraordinarily loving philosophy that is not geared to dominate or demand politically. Its influence is by its own nature much more gently persuasive than rigid orthodoxies.
On the other hand, possibly you think all religion is worthless or worse, in which case we have no common ground in this regard and so of course my conclusions appear mistaken to you, and vice versa.
@Cindy:
If your name was “Christian” and I criticized you, would I be insulting Christianity? Don’t you see the fallacy in your logic?
I have a question for you though. What does Sufism say when it is confronted with treachery from members of the same larger religion to which it belongs? Does it preach peace and inaction to bear all the atrocities, or does it enjoin its followers to take up arms? You tell me if you know.
Sufism is great, and so is Islam and all other religions. But to avoid duty by using any belief system as shield is morally repugnant.
What I see is that you are making no real effort to comprehend mysticism generally and Sufism in particular, and when this is pointed out to you, you simply double-down on haranguing, belligerent demands that are inappropriate for reasons that you wilfully ignore.
I’ve no intentions of persisting in a discussion with you, nor do I care what your narrow mind defines as ‘duty’ or ‘morally repugnant.’
Were you or were you not criticizing ALL the Sufi Muslims for “not acting” according to your expectations and definition of “acting”?
Were you or were you not criticizing Sufism in general for “not acting” according to your expectations and definition of “acting”?
First of all, Sufism is not monolithic. It exists in many shapes and forms.
Second of all, ALL forms of Sufi Islam are based on the Qur’an, the Prophetic Model (especially its esoteric dimension), and the 1400 years of scholarship, especially by the Sufi teachers and scholars.
Third of all, a fairly significant numbers of Sufi and non-Sufi Muslim scholars and non-scholars have said quite a lot against the “treachery” you are referring to.
Let’s see if you pass the test of your own knowledge by answering these questions. You are not to ask Shaykh Google to answer these questions. I am interested in your knowledge at this point in time. So here are the questions:
1. Have you heard of a 600+ page fatwa against terrorism?
2. If so, do you know who wrote that fatwa?
3. If so, do you know that he is a Sufi?
As stated above, Sufism is not monolithic. It’s extremely diverse.
People act according to their capabilities, circumstances and what is appropriate.
That said, the 600+ page fatwa I mentioned above answers what needs to be done, but this fatwa constitutes less than 0.0001% of what other Muslims, Sufis and non-Sufis, have written.
You don’t seem to be familiar with it.
Read the fatwa and what a significant number of Muslims have said.
As a matter of fact, reading this fatwa is now mandatory assignment for you. Please read it thoroughly and let’s discuss it.
That said, a person’s duty is based on their capabilities, circumstances and what is appropriate.
Will you acknowledge that?
How do you know that every single Sufi Muslim on this planet is “avoid[ing] duty by using [their] belief system”?
Also, does EVERY SINGLE PERSON must carry out this “duty” the same way, where “duty” is what YOU define?
Say there is a 70 year old woman who lives in South Africa and practices a form of Sufism.
Say there is a 30 year old man who lives in the U.S. and practices a form of Sufism.
Must both of these Sufis carry out this “duty” the same way?
Say, this 70 year old woman in South Africa runs a school for the orphans, and she is very good at it and the orphans are happy.
Do you think that she is carrying out the wrong “duty”?
Say, this 30 year old American Sufi is studying to be a doctor.
Do you think that he is carrying out the wrong “duty”?
“Inaction by some people who profess Sufism is under criticism…”
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People do what they are capable of doing, and act within the situations they encounter. Good actions do have positive effects and often nullify the negative effects of bad actions.
You were clearly attacking my person without knowing anything about me, where I live and my situation and capabilities, and I submitted several detailed responses to you.
However, you did not show any courtesy by responding to me in an intelligent and pertinent manner.
Instead, you “threw one more rock” at me and “fled the scene”.
Now, if, in addition to attacking me, you want to attack the entire discipline of Sufi Islam, which exists in many shapes and forms, then we can certainly have a detailed, intelligent, and courteous discussion. Or, you can read and hear what various Sufi teachers write and say and do, which you don’t seem to be interested in.
I do not know exactly what actions you’d like the entire populations of the Sufis in the world to take. But I do get the feeling that no matter what they do, you’ll still not be happy, like that wife whose husband just couldn’t impress her; even when he flew, she criticized him for flying crooked. I mentioned this fable in a comment. Did you read it?
You also lashed out at the “Mullahs”, and stereotyped them, which you have a tendency to do.
But when I told you about the thousands of dollars some Imams collected for a children’s hospital, you criticized even that good action and suggested that they might have been dishonest without any basis.
I asked you for evidence to support your suspicion, but you had already “fled”, though I’m sure you read whatever I wrote and chose to not answer.
So I ask: Are you even capable of having a mature discussion in a reasonable, rational and respectful manner, or is your agenda to just throw insults, stereotype us all, attack us and then flee?
Your choice.
Let me know.
Where I live, the Muslims are highly educated, are law-abiding, have good family values, work really hard and contribute to the development and progress of the city and the country at large.
We are peaceful and peace loving people.
The Muslim communities here have been fairly active in carrying out noble actions and have rejected violent currents within Islam all around the world.
But we don’t act in a goodly manner to impress anyone, certainly not you. We do that because we know the difference between good and bad, and their effects on us and around us, just like all other law-abiding and good people.
@Sufi Muslim:
So why don’t you guys join our coalition against ISIL? We could do with some extra hands, and you will be fulfilling an obligation that your “surname” imposes on you. Or you may have already joined our coalition, in which case your actions are in direct contradiction with your professed peacefulness? I am happy if both of us agree that, setting aside our own convictions with regard to religion and ethics, we need to eliminate a cult that enslaves and rapes women, finds sheer joy in chopping off heads, and generally is a shame to every human value.
I read what you write, often that is, but I don’t always respond because your verbosity goes off on a tangent to what I am saying. Your repeating the virtues of Sufism does not more virtuous; it’s a noble concept inspite of what we write here and remains so despite of us. But when the bugle sounds then we have a call of duty that’s more important than invoking a shield for inaction.
Please answer these questions:
1. When you say, “you guys”, who are you referring to?
2. How do you know that the country I live in is not part of the coalition against ISIL?
3. Do you really think that I, and the Muslims I know, are not against ISIL? If so, what is the basis of your assumption?
You are very good at making assumptions about me and the Muslims I know.
Who are you referring to when you say, “you”?
Is it my person, my family, my relatives, my friends, members of the Muslim communities where I live, my Sufi community?
Do you really believe that I do not like to see ISIL (when you say ‘cult’, you are referring to ISIL, right?) eliminated?
Do you really believe that the Muslims I know do not like to see ISIL eliminated?
Do you really believe that I and the gazillion Muslims around the worlds do not like to see ISIL and other evildoers eliminated?
I think you are just trying to empty out your system, which seems to be full of doubts, anger, frustration, stereotyping of people you don’t know, assumptions and ignorance, and are trying to act tough like “Joe the Plumber” or someone similar.
I have written a lot in response to your silly comments, which are based on ignorance and stereotyping.
You need to have the courtesy to comment on what I have stated. For example, you did not answer my question to you regarding those Imams who collected a lot of money for a children’s hospital. You cast doubts on their intentions and work, and I asked you what the basis of your doubts were, but you produced no evidence.
But remember, you are the one who fled. Read your own comments in which you said your goodbyes.
You are back now because of Cindy’s comments and my comments of today.
I am giving you the courtesy by replying to you in a thoughtful and detailed manner. In my previous comments I have touched on a few things that required your replies, but you didn’t.
I give you a chance to read all my previous comments and reply in a thoughtful manner.
In my humble opinion, you are being immature and childish as well as unnecessarily dramatic.
The forms of Sufi Islam that exist in the world speak for themselves. Their objective is simply to groom the self. There are other paths in other religions that have the same objective. People who want to groom their selves often join these paths as they provide the necessary doctrines and practices. There are spiritual paths that are not part of a religion; though they have the same objective.
I do not know what your beef really is and how you expect us to answer the “call of duty” as “the bugle sounds”.
Who is your addressee?
Read about this man:
http://www.aliallawi.com/
and tell me if his actions satisfy you.
“…unless people have a bloated ego that prevents them from accepting criticism…”
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The whole discipline of Sufism and other mystical paths is to not have an ego, or at least control it and keep it checked.
So criticism is a good opportunity for the Sufis to turn inward and make sure the ego and anger doesn’t rise.
As a matter of fact, it is said that a person cannot reach enlightenment unless they’ve been denounced by a fairly large number of people.
A person should also be mindful of their ego and not let it rise when praised.
There are stories of people of the path discouraging praise and encouraging criticism, even denunciations, to stay humble.
So, please do carry on with your criticisms.
I mean it when I say: Take care,
@Sufi: I am answering here since the other post does not have a “Reply” button.
1. When you say, “you guys”, who are you referring to? => You and the community over which you have influence and whom you speak for rather vocally.
2. How do you know that the country I live in is not part of the coalition against ISIL? ==> Your loquacity, assumption of superior virtues, economic circumstances of your community and correctness of English grammar would make me place you in Bangladesh. I may be wrong since I see you awake and replying when you should be sleeping.
3. Do you really think that I, and the Muslims I know, are not against ISIL? If so, what is the basis of your assumption? ==> Why don’t you say so and end the argument?
-H
This is our Sufi community:
http://www.askonline.co.za/photogalleries.php#photoGalleries
Look at these photos and do take the time to read, listen and watch all the material on this and its sister site and THEN tell us if we meet your high expectations and standards.
There are also Kabir and Camille Helminski whose website address is sufism dot org (I can’t add more than one link; I hear my comments will not appear if I did). Read, listen and watch what they have written and said and do tell us if we meet your high expectations and standards.
We also have scholars, such as Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr.
Read, listen and watch what he has written and said, and do tell us if we meet your high expectations and standards.
I have listed another website in another post today. Do visit it and read, listen and watch what Dr. Ali Allawi has written and said, and do tell us if we meet your high expectations and standards.
There have been others, like Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl. Do read, listen and watch what he has written and said, and do tell us if we meet your expectations and high standards.
Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl’s latest book is “Reasoning with God: Reclaiming Shari’ah in the Modern Age”.
Read it thoroughly and see if he makes sense. He has described in a thorough and scholarly manner how the Wahhabi/Salafi trends within Islam have wreaked havoc.
Guess where these trends originated from and who is supporting and sustaining the country that follows these trends and have been exporting it all over the world?
The fact is this: you attacked my person and my relatives and friends WITHOUT a clue of who I am, where I live and what our situation is. Your attack was quite personal; you may want to go back and read what you wrote.
You made assumption after assumption and lashed out without knowledge.
You are probably just trolling; it appears that way based on your recent comments. If so, then I should probably not dignify your posts by replying to you. But I am really interested in how you respond to many of my comments. So far, you ignore most of what I write and just repeat the same charges and attacks, which are based on false assumptions.
I stated this:
To which you responded:
First of all, you claimed that you read my comments. Anyone who has a slight familiarity with my comments history will know where I stand on violence, especially if it is against the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers.
I have condemned violence many times. And I have done that regardless of who commits it. On this matter I am not biased in favor of, or against, anyone. I have condemned Palestinian violence against the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers.
I have certainly called ISIL and the likes evildoers.
Second of all, why in the world will you ASSUME that a Muslim, especially a Sufi Muslim, SUPPORTS ISIL, unless, and until, they state that they are against ISIL?
When you meet a Muslim in real life, is your assumption that he or she is supports terrorism unless, and until, he or she proves to you that they are innocent?
My conclusion is that you exaggerated when you said that you read my comments.
I do not know what you mean by “assumption of superior virtues”.
However, it is true that one should not claim superiority, for it will cause the ego to rise.
But there is no harm in listing good and noble virtues and expressing the desire that one would like to groom the self so that it reflects these virtues.
In some paths, you don’t actually “acquire” these high virtues; you just strive to move away from their opposites, as the higher self is already there, when you move away from the lower.
As for your “Bangladesh” bit, when you read comments from a Muslim, do you always assume that they live in a far away Muslim majority country and are not doing their “duty”, as you define “duty”?
Jana and Sharon have a butt-fixation too? Maybe they can tell us how their pay grades correlate with this peculiar idée fixe, so common among patriots.
I noticed that comments do not appear immediately. They have to be accepted by moderators first, even when there is no complaint.
Event most right wing papers at least in Europe do not care to restrict or monitor speech or written words like this?
So who are this moderators. I must assume we must say or write what they like.
Now that would be a sticky one to accept even by these nut jobs. Rectal bombs is surely haram.
Unclean that is. LMFAO!
So after the shoe-bomber’s failed attempt, everyone had to start taking their shoes off when they went through security at airports. I wonder what we will have to do at TSA security lines in the post-butt-bomber era?
Time to play Cowboys and Muslims…
@ General Hercules 26 Dec 2014 at 10:02 pm
I stated this:
But instead of looking on the positive, he sees something negative in it, and states this:
A reasonable person would try to understand a situation better before lashing out.
GH, the money was not collected through a charitable organization that these Imams have set up and run.
They simply urged the local Muslims to donate and collected the money and gave it all to the children’s hospital. The charity was run by the hospital.
Do you have any reasons or evidence to support the following?
1. The Imams did not give the entire amount they collected, and pocketed some or most of it?
2. The children’s hospital-run charity did not spend the entire amount they collected and pocketed some or most of it?
I’m curious, are you this negative in your real life too?
You remind me of public service announcements that the Church of Latter Day Saints used to air on TV.
In one, a young girl washes the dishes and proudly tells her mom about it. The mom, instead of showing appreciation and pride, says, “Yeah, but did you clean the counter?” The girl’s happy face turns into a hurtful frown.
There was a man whose wife was never happy with him. No matter what good work he did, she’d find faults in it.
So, one day, he decided to glue some wings to his body and flew like a bird outside to impress her.
The wife saw him flying through the window.
The husband comes in and asks her: “Did you see me? I was flying!”
The wife responds: “Yeah, I saw it, but you were flying crooked.”
The poor man just could not done any good.
Your time trying to convince me would have been better spent trying to convince the terrorists give up their violence. I don’t want you to continue wasting everyone’s time so I’ll end here. Adios, Khudahafeez, Sionara, Dus vidaniya, Bye, Namastey, Cheerio.
I doubt it very much that you read what I write carefully and reflect upon it, before replying.
You seem to think that I am so dilusional that I’m trying to CONVINCE anyone, let alone you. No, I’m here to present the view points that are not presented in the mainstream media, like Fox. I am in no position to convince anyone of anything I write here.
You also keep insulting me by telling me that I should try “to convince the terrorists give up their violence,” as if I and the Muslims I know have access to them.
It’s like asking someone to stop beating their wives as if they are beating them.
The good works we do stand on their own strong grounds.
Our striving is to groom the self so that it reflects the higher, to whatever degree and extent.
I’ve listed many authors and Sufi Shuyukh (plural of Shaykh — teacher).
A reasonable person who wants to know the efforts many Muslims are making to spread goodness will take the time to read them, read about them, and observe their good actions.
Also know that many around the world are responsible for the current situation.
A reasonable person will take the time to examine all the factors and actors, and not just focus on a few as if only they represent the reality in its totality.
But you are only interested in throwing rocks and then fleeing when challenged.
If you had any courtesy, you’d take the time to respond to my comments in a rational and reasonable manner, instead of throwing one last rock at me and then fleeing.
http://www.askonline.co.za
ADDENDUM:
I find it amazing that you kept insisting that actions spoke louder than words.
However, when I pointed out the good actions of many Muslims you chose to ignore them; instead you decided to run away, as if you are not really interested in learning about, or seeing, the good actions that Muslims carry out everyday all around the world.
I’ve previously mentioned an encounter a friend of mine once had with Steven Emerson in the mid-80’s.
This friend of mine (a Jewish convert to Sufi Islam) had a kiosk at a Muslim gathering.
Emerson showed up looking for bad Muslims. He was broke and was writing a book to discredit Islam.
My friend took him out for lunch at a Taco Bell, and had a long discussion with him.
Emerson was not interesting in seeing or hearing any positive things about Islam or Muslims, and was very disappointed to see goodness there.
What I really don’t understand is why Sufiism stays as part of Islam. To me the Quran reads like a vague rehash of the Old Testament, with errors like the Tower of Babel being put in Egypt – told by someone whose life story seems to combine the rap sheets of an entire penitentiary. I won’t deny that Sufis can reach contemplative states in which they may be open to divine inspiration, but what can Islam contribute to that pursuit which couldn’t be replaced with its parent Judaism or better yet Christianity? Doesn’t Sufiism predate Islam anyway?
As I understand it, there is an underlying Truth in every religious tradition, especially their so-called mystical expressions and paths.
Every nation has its own traditions that suit their cultures and temperaments.
Traditions have two aspects: exoteric and esoteric.
Imagine a circle that has the Truth at its Center, and every tradition as a radius.
At the circumference, or at the exoteric level, they differ.
However, they all converge as they approach and enter their inner esoteric realities.
Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Martin Lings, Frithjof Schuon and others have explained transcendent unity of religions more eloquently and scholarly.
Sufism as an inner reality predates Islam under different names.
However, Sufism (Tasawwuf) has historically been the heart of Islam, whose primary message is of Divine Unity.
“The Elements of Sufism” by Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri is a good primer. But do read William Chittick on Sufism as well.
http://www.shaykhfadhlallahaeri.com
Wnt, how do you know where the “Tower of Babel” was actually built?
Anecdotes are anecdotes and prove nothing. Your proselytization of your faith by referring to others as not being ” A reasonable person” is laughable.
You come out firing like your big boy pants are on…please take this where it belongs, to the shredder ran by illiterate Whites.
Look forward to seeing you host you cities next Pride parade….please post pics!
Looks like the commenting software has imposed a limit on the number of characters or words in a comment. So I had to break mine into three parts and post them as new comments instead of replies to another commenter.
@GH – Part 3
Your comments are so full of ignorance that I am frankly shocked.
I don’t understand from where you get your information, and, please forgive me if I’m wrong, but you don’t seem to be very educated either.
I thought you were being satiric, but you claim to be serious.
So, let me ask you something: Are you interested in raising your level of awareness and increase your knowledge?
Think about it for a day or so, and if the answer you come up with is yes, then I’d suggest that you read about the Islams of those Muslims you don’t seem to be familiar with, like Seyyed Hossein Nasr, William Chittick, Kabir Helminski, Martin Lings, Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri, Ibn Arabi, Rumi, Frithjof Schuon, Rene Genon, and the likes.
Start by listning to the audios and videos at the following website:
http://www.shaykhfadhlallahaeri.com.
Kabir Helminski and his wife also have a Sufi website. They follow the Mevlvi Sufi order, which is based on Rumi.
Spend some time reading the books of the people I’ve listed above. Reflect on their teachings. You will then know what I’m talking about when I say that Islam is not monolithic, that there are many versions of it in existence. So it’s wrong to lump all Muslims together. Your irrational fears will certainly go away if you take the time to study these Islams in a receptive manner with an open mind and an open heart.
Take care,
Mr Sufi,
I never said you are a bad person doing bad things. On the contrary you are a very decent person. All I am saying is that you are doing NOTHING to prevent your community members from doing really bad things. First and foremost dig up all your texts and preachings and convince the blood-thirsty ISIL crowd that making sex slaves is un-Islamic regardless of which branch of Islam they profess. Now don’t indulge in semantics and instead preach to me whether the word “Islamic” has any historical standing or not.
If you can do this then you would have convinced me more firmly than the whole library that you referred me to. All the scholars that you referred to are great souls, but the big problem is either they are too few or they are silent.
Then what is the meaning of what you said originally (see below)?
You are clearly blaming *me* and people I know and interact with for “Action speaks louder than words, Mr Sufi. You guys are doing NOTHING to prevent your own relatives and friends from turning into killers and terrorizing others……”
You again reiterate this:
It looks like you have no clue what we Muslims do every single day in ensuring that our communities do not do any bad things.
We all try our utmost to obey the laws of the land, spend time grooming our self so that it reflects the higher qualities, get education, have jobs and businesses and contribute to the welfare and progress of the societies we live in. My own daughters have done a lot of charity work, including looking after sick, even terminally ill, children at our local children’s hospital.
Just recently, the mosque imams urged their congregations to obey the laws of the land and make sure that our youths do good works.
Our Sufi Order is about grooming the self to reflect the higher.
So, we try to set an example. Remember, you said that actions speak louder than words. So I have listed just a fraction of the good actions we Muslims carry out every single day.
Our religion is about love and beauty.
See “Divine Love: Islamic Literature and the Path to God” by William Chittick at http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Love-Islamic-Literature-Path/dp/0300185952/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419686647&sr=8-1&keywords=william+chittick
I think you are confusing me and us with some other types of Muslims — those who are carrying out violence all over the world, like the ones who recently murdered over 100 school children in Peshawar, Pakistan.
Their paths and our paths are poles apart, something you need to see, for we are not monolithic.
Muslim scholars have issued fatwas against violence committed by a few misguided Muslims and have consistently lashed out against their acts.
Are you really not familiar with these statements and actions?
Why are you lumping us all?
Many Muslim scholars have condemned ISIL. Even the “former imminent threat”, Al-Queda have condemned ISIL as well, which is ironic as Al-Queda is also committing evil acts around the world.
I really don’t understand why you lack knowledge of the current situation.
Now, if your above request is directed at me and those with whom I interact, keep in mind that we have absolutely no access to ISIL.
That said, our Sufi communities around the world are engaging in doing good works and self-purification.
So our paths is just the opposite of the path groups like ISIL have chosen for themselves.
You should know how and who created ISIL. West’s friend, Saudi Arabia, is the head of the snake. It has been exporting its brand of Islam, Puritanical Salafism, for decades now; it has infected traditional Islam and has spawned other little snakes that have now grown big and are biting everyone in their sights.
So, here you are, instead of blaming Saudi Arabia, you are blaming me and my fellow Muslims who have nothing to do with any form of evil acts!
The word, Islamic, simply means, “According to Islam”.
However, as stated frequently, Islam is not monolithic, so there is no “The Islam” in existence and haven’t existed since the Prophet’s (S) departure from this realm of existence.
Muslims have created many Islams due to the different methodologies they have employed to interpret the Qur’an, Prophetic Traditions, Traditions of His (S) Companions, and 1400+ years of scholarship and rulings.
So, when someone says, “Islam is…” or “Islam says …”, they are actually saying, “According to My Understanding Islam is …” or “According to My Understanding Islam says …”
This applies to every person, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
So when YOU say, “Islam says/is …”, you are in fact stating YOUR understanding of what Islam says/is.
My understanding of Islam may be different from YOUR understanding of what Islam says/is.
If you dig more, you will find that the most troubling trend within Islam in recent history is “Puritanical Slafism”, which is the entity that was created when the Saudi Wahhabism and Saudi Salafism integrated.
This trend within Islam has been very devastating.
We know how they approach the texts and interpret them. So we know where they go wrong.
Read “Reasoning with God: Reclaiming Shari’ah in the Modern Age”, by Khaled Abou El Fadl.
To further your knowledge of my Islam, you may wish to read the authors I have listed often, especially Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri.
If you don’t wish to develop a better understanding of the trends within Islam, that’s your choice. I can’t force you.
And yes, it takes a lot of reading, reflection and interactions with various types of Muslims to see the overall big picture and how different pieces are put together.
These scholars are not silent. You are simply not aware of their efforts and works.
There is a long list of events of the past that have created the present. People of all faiths have contributed to the mess we are seeing now.
What General are you doing to prevent u.s cops from killing people, to keep U.S criminals from killing people, to keep Americans with guns from going into grade schools and shooting them up, to keep the U.S. government from killing civilians with its drones, to keep the U.S. government from giving weapons and military aid to Israel which it uses to kill civilians, to keep U.S. pharamaceutical companies from pricing anti-HIV medication so high that hundreds of thousands or even millions of people around the world die because they can’t afford them? Once you answer these questions, then you have the right to ask “Sufi Muslim” what he is doing to fight terrorism.
@GH – Part 3 (looks like TI doesn’t accept long comments, so I broke them in three parts)
Your comments are so full of ignorance that I am frankly shocked.
I don’t understand from where you get your information, and, please forgive me if I’m wrong, but you don’t seem to be very educated either.
I thought you were being satiric, but you claim to be serious.
So, let me ask you something: Are you interested in raising your level of awareness and increase your knowledge?
Think about it for a day or so, and if the answer you come up with is yes, then I’d suggest that you read about the Islams of those Muslims you don’t seem to be familiar with, like Seyyed Hossein Nasr, William Chittick, Kabir Helminski, Martin Lings, Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri, Ibn Arabi, Rumi, Frithjof Schuon, Rene Genon, and the likes.
Start by listning to the audios and videos at the following websites:
http://www.askonline.co.za and http://www.shaykhfadhlallahaeri.com.
Kabir Helminski and his wife also have a Sufi website. They follow the Mevlvi Sufi order, which is based on Rumi.
Spend some time reading the books of the people I’ve listed above. Reflect on their teachings. You will then know what I’m talking about when I say that Islam is not monolithic, that there are many versions of it in existence. So it’s wrong to lump all Muslims together. Your irrational fears will certainly go away if you take the time to study these Islams in a receptive manner with an open mind and an open heart.
Take care,
@GH – Part 2
You also seem to think that you know about my path more than I do.
How so?
How do you know about my path more than I do?
Who has the right to, and is in a better position to, define their path and convey it to others?
You, or the person who adheres to a path?
You are charging me for “purposely pretending blindness to reality…”
What reality are you talking about, and how do you know my intentions?
The reality that there are in fact those Muslims who are committing evil acts in the name of their Islam?
If you have not read my condemnations of these Muslims, then you have not paid attention to what I have regularly written; your claim that you know what I write is then false, for I have regularly pointed out the bad/evil currents within Islam.
I have condemned every form of violence against the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers.
Yet, you want to lump me with those Muslims who commit violent acts?
Why is that?
Does my stance against violence bother you?
Do you disagree with my non-violence stance?
@GH
If you read my comments, you know that my position is that human beings are not monolithic. When a person chooses a religious, spiritual, or a non-religious path for themselves, it doesn’t mean that everyone who has chosen a path with the same name or title thinks, believes, and acts the same way like robots that have come from the same assembly line.
Take, for example, atheism.
When a person claims to be an atheist, do you expect them to behave the same way as all other atheists in the world do?
No, you don’t, unless you’re a very ignorant person.
Similarly, religions are not monolithic, nor are citizens of a modern state.
If a country acts in a certain manner, do you automatically think that ALL the citizens of that country are that way?
When a Christian, or a Jew, or a Hindu acts in a certain way, do you really think that ALL members of these faiths think and act the same way?
If you know anything about human beings, and have basic intelligence, you’ll admit that that’s not the case.
I have written frequently that Islam is not monolithic either.
There are currents within it that are very ugly and violent.
But the majority of Muslims’ Islams (notice I am using plural, for there is no ‘The Islam'; there are many Islams in existence, that is, many interpretations of it) are quite benign.
And yes, there are Islams that are very good, in my opinion, for they focus on self purification and development, as do many, many forms of other religions and non-religions.
By self purification and development I mean they provide doctrines and activities that help a person move away from the lower tendencies of the self so that it reflects the higher qualities, such as love, peace, forgiveness, justice, humility, not doing to others what one doesn’t want done unto oneself, selflessness, generosity, etc.
I can’t help you if you are not willing to see human beings as diverse.
I can’t help you if you don’t want to see the fact that Islam is not monolithic.
The whole idea of religion is to manage people, their behavior and their thoughts. The Muslim religion is the most efficient in this respect. But instead of using it for a constructive purpose they are misusing it to unwittingly destroy themselves.
Not necessarily.
People have diverse opinions on the objectives of religion, as the people of non-religious paths do about their paths.
A religious or a non-religious path can be misused as well as used properly.
There have been cases in history when religion and non-religion have been used to control people.
But there have also been cases in which they have been used for goodness and grooming the self to reflect the higher.
At the center of human activity is the human self.
The self is capable of reflecting a wide spectrum of qualities. The negative qualities are the domain of the lower self, while the positive ones are the domain of the higher self.
When a person acts through the lower self, for example interpret religious texts, the results can be very devastating.
But when a person acts through the higher self to interpret the same religious texts, the results are often very positive.
To understand the cosmology of the self and the journey it takes through this realm of existence, I refer you to “Cosmology of the Self” and “The Journey of the Self”, by Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri, at http://www.askonline.co.za/ebooks.php#ebooks
That’s YOUR understanding of what Islam is and does.
Some are using THEIR Islams for destructive purposes, most Muslims’ Islams are pretty benign, every-day, types of and these Muslims are simply carrying on with their ordinary lives and use religion for doing good and charitable works and act in constructive ways.
While there are some Islams that have specialized in grooming the self to reflect the higher, as I have frequently pointed out.
So, you shouldn’t stereotype and paint us all with the same brush.
We are not robots that are put together on an assembly line thinking and behaving the same way.
We are thinking human beings and each of us has a unique outlook.
I would think that what I have stated above would be common sense and would go without saying. But you do seem to require the above explanation.
The comment section is acting up. Three or four of my posts have not been published.
Douch
@GH
If you read my comments, you know that my position is that human beings are not monolithic. When a person chooses a religious, spiritual, or a non-religious path for themselves, it doesn’t mean that everyone who has chosen a path with the same name or title thinks, believes, and acts the same way like robots that have come from the same assembly line.
Take, for example, atheism.
When a person claims to be an atheist, do you expect them to behave the same way as all other atheists in the world do?
No, you don’t, unless you’re a very ignorant person.
Similarly, religions are not monolithic, nor are citizens of a modern state.
If a country acts in a certain manner, do you automatically think that ALL the citizens of that country are that way?
When a Christian, or a Jew, or a Hindu acts in a certain way, do you really think that ALL members of these faiths think and act the same way?
If you know anything about human beings, and have basic intelligence, you’ll admit that that’s not the case.
I have written frequently that Islam is not monolithic either.
There are currents within it that are very ugly and violent.
But the majority of Muslims’ Islams (notice I am using plural, for there is no ‘The Islam'; there are many Islams in existence, that is, many interpretations of it) are quite benign.
And yes, there are Islams that are very good, in my opinion, for they focus on self purification and development, as do many, many forms of other religions and non-religions.
By self purification and development I mean they provide doctrines and activities that help a person move away from the lower tendencies of the self so that it reflects the higher qualities, such as love, peace, forgiveness, justice, humility, not doing to others what one doesn’t want done unto oneself, selflessness, generosity, etc.
I can’t help you if you are not willing to see human beings as diverse.
I can’t help you if you don’t want to see the fact that Islam is not monolithic.
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You also seem to think that you know about my path more than I do.
How so?
How do you know about my path more than I do?
Who has the right to, and is in a better position to, define their path and convey it to others?
You, or the person who adheres to a path?
You are charging me for “purposely pretending blindness to reality…”
What reality are you talking about, and how do you know my intentions?
The reality that there are in fact those Muslims who are committing evil acts in the name of their Islam?
If you have not read my condemnations of these Muslims, then you have not paid attention to what I have regularly written; your claim that you know what I write is then false, for I have regularly pointed out the bad/evil currents within Islam.
I have condemned every form of violence against the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers.
Yet, you want to lump me with those Muslims who commit violent acts?
Why is that?
Does my stance against violence bother you?
Do you disagree with my non-violence stance?
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Your comments are so full of ignorance that I am frankly shocked.
I don’t understand from where you get your information, and, please forgive me if I’m wrong, but you don’t seem to be very educated either.
I thought you were being satiric, but you claim to be serious.
So, let me ask you something: Are you interested in raising your level of awareness and increase your knowledge?
Think about it for a day or so, and if the answer you come up with is yes, then I’d suggest that you read about the Islams of those Muslims you don’t seem to be familiar with, like Seyyed Hossein Nasr, William Chittick, Kabir Helminski, Martin Lings, Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri, Ibn Arabi, Rumi, Frithjof Schuon, Rene Genon, and the likes.
Start by listning to the audios and videos at the following websites:
http://www.askonline.co.za and http://www.shaykhfadhlallahaeri.com.
Kabir Helminski and his wife also have a Sufi website. They follow the Mevlvi Sufi order, which is based on Rumi.
Spend some time reading the books of the people I’ve listed above. Reflect on their teachings. You will then know what I’m talking about when I say that Islam is not monolithic, that there are many versions of it in existence. So it’s wrong to lump all Muslims together. Your irrational fears will certainly go away if you take the time to study these Islams in a receptive manner with an open mind and an open heart.
Take care,
If they have really done this then it is a mild accomplishment if you can call it that. But if they released this as a hoax to see if they can get security agencies to anally rape passengers in the name of security then it is brilliant.
ok, no one else went for the low hanging fruit . . .
that’s some crazy shit!
I think it’s remarkable they haven’t gone much further. I mean, think of all the internal organs that can be dispensed with by someone willing to die the same day.
this really is not a laughing matter but i was laughing all the way. the writing has something to do with this but still has to look at my emotional depth
Al Qaeda has a magazine titled in English, with a nice podium with big, bold English letters: “The Hidden Bomb”?
They sure must love the 5 Eye, English-speaking countries, preferring English over Arabic. Bet they have their regular conversations in English too.
If you get lied to so often, by so many, for so long, how could you be blamed for a little cynical disbelief of most lies you are fed?
Torturers in the Torture Report and Al Qaeda may now have something in common: an affinity for things that shuv up the rectum.
To each his own…
Despite all of the giggling or plain weird comments here, the subject is of legitimate interest. Prisoners have used the “human purse” for as long has there have been prisons and jails, so this mode of concealment is hardly novel or really that mind boggling. In some prisons there are special chairs which are said to effectively scan for hidden objects in the “purse.”
One major obstacle for this technique with respect to explosives (aside from squeamish ones) is the triggering issue. Explosives suited for this region need some kind of trigger mechanism, normally electrical. I would think any wires/buttons physically attached would be detectible with normal scans/pat downs. Some kind of internal cell phone activated device might work but cell phone usage is prohibited on planes, though the bathroom might be a place to use that. The sniffers for explosive compounds would still probably work in this scenario. Airplane security has undoubtedly figured out countermeasures. Let’s hope.
‘Shitting Bricks.. (.. literally)’
Me thinks that they’re still in the ‘research phase’ w/ respect to the actual probing process. How about you show your true ‘patriotic fervor’ by shoving a brick (note: photo) up your arse, and informing the citizenry how long it takes you to achieve a relaxing, tenseless state of being..
Hesitation aids the enemy.
Some kind of internal cell phone activated device might work but cell phone usage is prohibited on planes,
Right. So, anyone who has figured out how to fill their ass with prohibited explosive materials will have a problem with prohibited cell phone usage? :-s
Rectums of ass destruction! Oh My!
It would be the shits to be on one of those flights.
Thanks for the heads-up for the TSA. Usually they are inspecting their own.
Anyway, always appreciate the work being done here.
Hum, I would think for maximum yield from the Butt Bomb they would recommend flying Ryan Air with their festival seating. Lots more capacity while standing, and better disbursal of the ah em, discharge…
“Thousands Join Anti-Islam Protest In Germany”, at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/23/germany-anti-islam-protest_n_6372634.html
The headline does not refer to a made-up entity called, Islamism, a term that has no fixed, and legal, meaning, and is highly politically manipulated.
I’m pretty sure an overwhelming majority of these protesters are protesting against Islam and Muslims who they stereotype, as has always been the case in other similar protests.
In this post, I won’t address the underlying causes of anti-Islam sentiments. Muslims do bear a huge responsibility. But the only point I’m making in this post is that those who are anti-Islam do not make a distinction between Islam and Islamism, as is clear from the writings of many writers and pundits who use these two terms interchangeably.
Action speaks louder than words, Mr Sufi. You guys are doing NOTHING to prevent your own relatives and friends from turning into killers and terrorizing others. Instead, you seek to glorify the very ideas that are responsible for all the hatred. Give up your double standards and self-appointed moral authority and get going within your community. Leave the rest to our Presidents and us, we all care about you folks while you are nice and peaceful.
If you are being satiric, that’s fine, …
but if your comments are serious, …
then you just gave me a glimpse into the mindset of those people who are anti-Islam and anti-Muslim, and are honest enough to not try to hide their hatred behind any opposition to the made-up entities, called, Islamism and Islamists.
One word describes people, like you: I G N O R A N C E
I invite you to read your own words and reflect upon them; your words tell me more about you than anything else, and a serious discussion with you is futile.
“If you are being satiric, that’s fine, …”
‘Benfit of the doubt’ award goes to you Sufi!
“Search for my comments in this website [and The Guardian] to better understand my position and thoughts.” my brackets….
Do the same for General Hurcules at TI , but prepare yourself for IGNORANCE of a magnidtude rarely seen before..
WG
@Chlorpromazine – Welcome back. :)
@sillyputty – Cheers!
To someone who committed some small fault – ‘Tis only a stepmother would blame you.’
~Irish Saying
I am dead serious, Mr Sufi, and so should you be. Right here, day in and day out, you keep harping how great and peaceful your religion is. Maybe it is, but the rest of us are seeing an individual who is purposely pretending blindness to reality and, instead of going out to convince his community to abhor violence, is trying to paint that same community and the ideology that it follows as non-violent. It’s like taking individual elements of a hydrogen bomb and describing how harmless and useful each part is, regardless of what they as a whole can do.
If you read my comments, you know that my position is that human beings are not monolithic. When a person chooses a religious, spiritual, or a non-religious path for themselves, it doesn’t mean that everyone who has chosen a path with the same name or title thinks, believes, and acts the same way like robots that have come from the same assembly line.
Take, for example, atheism.
When a person claims to be an atheist, do you expect them to behave the same way as all other atheists in the world do?
No, you don’t, unless you’re a very ignorant person.
Similarly, religions are not monolithic, nor are citizens of a modern state.
If a country acts in a certain manner, do you automatically think that ALL the citizens of that country are that way?
When a Christian, or a Jew, or a Hindu acts in a certain way, do you really think that ALL members of these faiths think and act the same way?
If you know anything about human beings, and have basic intelligence, you’ll admit that that’s not the case.
I have written frequently that Islam is not monolithic either.
There are currents within it that are very ugly and violent.
But the majority of Muslims’ Islams (notice I am using plural, for there is no ‘The Islam'; there are many Islams in existence, that is, many interpretations of it) are quite benign.
And yes, there are Islams that are very good, in my opinion, for they focus on self purification and development, as do many, many forms of other religions and non-religions.
By self purification and development I mean they provide doctrines and activities that help a person move away from the lower tendencies of the self so that it reflects the higher qualities, such as love, peace, forgiveness, justice, humility, not doing to others what one doesn’t want done unto oneself, selflessness, generosity, etc.
I can’t help you if you are not willing to see human beings as diverse.
I can’t help you if you don’t want to see the fact that Islam is not monolithic.
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You also seem to think that you know about my path more than I do.
How so?
How do you know about my path more than I do?
Who has the right to, and is in a better position to, define their path and convey it to others?
You, or the person who adheres to a path?
You are charging me for “purposely pretending blindness to reality…”
What reality are you talking about, and how do you know my intentions?
The reality that there are in fact those Muslims who are committing evil acts in the name of their Islam?
If you have not read my condemnations of these Muslims, then you have not paid attention to what I have regularly written; your claim that you know what I write is then false, for I have regularly pointed out the bad/evil currents within Islam.
I have condemned every form of violence against the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers.
Yet, you want to lump me with those Muslims who commit violent acts?
Why is that?
Does my stance against violence bother you?
Do you disagree with my non-violence stance?
———–
Your comments are so full of ignorance that I am frankly shocked.
I don’t understand from where you get your information, and, please forgive me if I’m wrong, but you don’t seem to be very educated either.
I thought you were being satiric, but you claim to be serious.
So, let me ask you something: Are you interested in raising your level of awareness and increase your knowledge?
Think about it for a day or so, and if the answer you come up with is yes, then I’d suggest that you read about the Islams of those Muslims you don’t seem to be familiar with, like Seyyed Hossein Nasr, William Chittick, Kabir Helminski, Martin Lings, Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri, Ibn Arabi, Rumi, Frithjof Schuon, Rene Genon, and the likes.
Start by listning to the audios and videos at the following websites:
http://www.askonline.co.za and http://www.shaykhfadhlallahaeri.com.
Kabir Helminski and his wife also have a Sufi website. They follow the Mevlvi Sufi order, which is based on Rumi.
Spend some time reading the books of the people I’ve listed above. Reflect on their teachings. You will then know what I’m talking about when I say that Islam is not monolithic, that there are many versions of it in existence. So it’s wrong to lump all Muslims together. Your irrational fears will certainly go away if you take the time to study these Islams in a receptive manner with an open mind and an open heart.
Take care,
General: Islam is certainly more peaceful than American democracy, which is responsible for the burning to death of hundreds of thousands or een millions of civilians with napalm in Tokyo in 1945 and in North Korea in 1950-53, not to mention the intentional killing of over 500,000 Iraqi civilians with economic sanctions under the saintly “liberal” Bill Clinton in the 1990s. Not to mention innumerable other acts on various people throughout the world too burdensome to spell out here. See, for example, Killing Hope by William Blum. Since you are interested in religion, why don’t you try to read some of the Bible, starting with Mathew 7:5.
General,
To whom are you referring when you say “you guys”?
You guys are doing NOTHING to prevent your own relatives and friends from turning into killers and terrorizing others.
General Hercules, do you have relatives and friends in the US military? If so, perhaps you could share with us how you went about discouraging them from same.
When have I preached how peaceful we are and how great our ideology is? I am for war as a means of defending freedom and justice, not war as mindless killing and ethnic cleansing. Wars should lead to economic benefits, not a totally ruined infrastructure and a suffering population.
Mr Sufi knows where I am coming from. The mullahs of his community misuse their vantage point during compulsory prayers and engage in inciting the impressionable youths to become terrorists. This is when Mr Sufi does the Houdini and lands up in this website to lecture us. He should stay back and do his bit in his own community.
No, I don’t really know where you’re coming from, but you’re certainly stereotyping a group of people.
You have no clue about the ‘mullahs’ of my community.
There have been ‘Mullahs’ who recently collected thousands of dollars for a children’s hospital. The Muslims living in that area are not that well-off and do give donations to other charities, but they opened their hearts and pockets and donated to that hospital generously. The Imams got together and ran that charity drive.
Did it make headlines in the daily news?
The ‘impressionable youths’ in our communities are law-abiding, well educated, generous and are contributing to the development and progress of the larger communities and cities and countries they live in.
You are totally confused, have no clue, and are spewing non-sense.
@ Sufi
That’s another problem right there. I am sure you don’t audit the Mullah Ledgers, do you? Maybe you should, and we will have another story. There is no charity organization in the whole world that runs strictly for the benefit for those it advertizes. Because of their lax auditing standards they are the easiest ones to divert funds. Those who run charities are the biggest beneficiaries.
I didn’t find this funny at all. More crude and ugly.
You should fire the author of this and spend the money on building a less crap website.
But still love you Glenn. For now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dPLl0KRSU
Shit.
Shite.
Shiite.
Shia too is coming to you.
An article as a reason to clamp down rather than to embrace.
An article like this put up, is the intercept’s disgrace.
Who is the editor here?
Who is driving this runaway bus?
Why this article, why at this time?
What is the purpose, what is the scheme?
Shut up the faithful and hear the rest scream
So now just to be safest, we should not travel with Muslim travelers. Muslims must travel with their passports with other Muslim fellow.
So we can we safe.
Here’s a petition to ask House of Rep. to end electronic harassment now. Please share. Maybe The intercept could do a story on it.
https://www.change.org/p/u-s-house-of-representatives-put-an-emergency-order-in-place-and-follow-up-with-subsequent-legislation-to-end-abuses-involving-gang-stalking-electronic-harassment-and-direct-energy-weapons?tk=ZZIXSDE_09zu5-yIGQpSYt_yUkRAIORjyjPL-JEUeuY&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_message_notice
I think this is a plot to have TSA do rectal searches on US passengers, thereby pissing off both passengers and TSA personnel.
I suppose old news is good news if someone might not know about it.
There has also been at least 2 fatwas stating that the male bum bomer can be sodomised by another male muslim to enlarge the area… to allow more explosives.
They hate us cuz they anus.
“Rectal bombs are a touchy subject…”
No kidding.
http://nypost.com/2014/09/14/isis-recruiting-female-jihadis-from-americas-heartland/
Well, I would like to see an equal article on this subject regarding female jihadist. I hope writers can give us some clues about which cavity is more suitable for hiding the explosives, and if it can happen anywhere in the US, Europe? How can we prevent it? Any search suggestions? Fear mongering?
Well, I disagree with some, I really don’t see any fear mongering in this article its way too tong in cheek for that. My advice is to Relax, do not………….
Guess we are all now threatened by weapons of ASS-destruction. What a nice Christmas present.
What is this garbage? This is written like an article my grandpa would like. Are you really going for the angry, jingoistic grandpa demographic?
I thought T//I was supposed to be challenging the state not providing rationalizations for more government surveillance. I’m beginning to fear Glenn is susceptible to flattery from applicants.
Exactly right.
Well, they’ve always said they hope to build First Look publications into a profitable enterprise . . . and there’s no question that a good old Butt Bomb Panic, a la Faux, has broader appeal to the masses than hard-to-understand investigative work that challenges official narratives.
So, if you want to sell to a wider audience . . .
Gene Roberts, legendary editor, said good reporters were supposed to zig while everyone else zagged. We don’t need any more of this, pardon the pun, shit-spewing. We need more indepth reporting which we had been led to believe would be provided by Weinberger. So far she’s stalked a scumbag and shared a laughable story about rectal obliteration. I’m sensing a lack of cohesive vision here.
She’s obviously a Neo-Con/Zionist plant.
Please tell me that is tongue-in-cheek. I do not want to travel
there.
@EC
I am with you in this. The culture of Faux Lies is tough to get rid of.
[Sounding like a broken record…] The term, Jihadist, used exclusively for terrorism (harming the non-combatants, against the traditional teachings of Islam) takes away attention from the spiritual significance of Jihad that the peaceful and peace loving traditional Muslims, especially the Sufi Muslims, give to this term, and has done so for 1400+ years.
As I have done repeatedly in the past, here is an article written by an actual scholar on this subject:
http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/vol-9-no-1/spiritual-significance-jihad-seyyed-hossein-nasr/spiritual-significance-jihad
The term, Jihadists, has apparently been invented to not confuse people who associate the term, Mujahideen, which is the correct Arabic term to refer to those people who engage in Jihad, with those fighters who fought against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, whom the West supported.
From the perspective of the Soviets, those people were “terrorists”, and had the term, “Jihadists”, been invented back then, I am sure that the Soviets would have referred to them as “Jihadists”.
So, this term, Jihadist, is also politically manipulated to refer to only those who are fighting against the West.
Those who fight alongside the West are affectionately called, Mujahideen, even if they commit the same actions as the so-called Jihadists.
It’s remarkable how sacred terms can be hijacked and their original and inner meanings distorted to throw bad light on a religion.
This type of hijacking is expected from those so-called Muslims who are committing evil.
But, why is it that Western writers, who are supposed to be more intelligent and enlightened, do not realize how they are cooperating with these evildoer Muslims in spreading a narrative that distorts Islam and casts a shadow of suspicion on everyday Muslims?
At the very least, writers who use the term, Jihadists, should add a footnote that says this: Please note that the term, Jihad, means something different to the traditional Muslims, especially the Sufi Muslims, for whom this term has a spiritual significance.
Both Jihadist and Mujahideen are bad terms. Both are destroying Islam and as well as large chunks of decent humanity.
A Mujahid (plural: Mujahideen) is someone who who strives. A striving, like grooming the self so that it reflects the universally accepted noble qualities, is good, while striving to wreak havoc on earth is bad.
Action speaks louder than words, Mr Sufi. You guys are doing NOTHING to prevent your own relatives and friends from turning into killers and terrorizing others. Instead, you seek to glorify the very ideas that are responsible for all the hatred. Give up your double standards and self-appointed moral authority and get going within your community. Leave the rest to our Presidents and us, we all care about you folks while you are nice and peaceful.
General H, have you no clue how tiresome you are? You harp on and on about the violence of the Muslim community. Around the globe how many deaths, how many mutilations can be attributed to Muslims? Compare with the US. Case closed and shut your ignorant mouth until you actually have something useful to contribute.
Many thousands of people from a diverse set of backgrounds all over the world who have taken up arms (against the West), sometimes for relatively short periods of time, that also believe they are fighting a greater ‘evil’ (a foreign invader in allot of cases) and who have happened to unite under Islam in some way (or were indeed just muslims and united anyway) you seem to have effortlessly written off as:
1 Less intelligent (than western press is “supposed” to be) and…
2 Evildoer Muslims.
Are NON evildoer Muslims (of which you are one?) currently, and perhaps forevermore incapable of committing any wrong, or evil to use your nondescript word (i.e killing of innocents etc) and that there is particular exception held for Sufi Muslims in this regard?
This ‘potential’ to DO wrong (if one is not currently doing wrong) is universal. Just as it is of the potential for those that are currently doing wrong to stop doing wrong: Universal and less likely maybe?
Could NON evildoers do more GOOD? is the problem that the NON evildoers are not doing enough good as opposed the the ‘actual’ evildoers being the problem? (I took the liberty of removing the word ‘Muslims’ from this question so as no evildoers were left out)
Will the NON evildoer Muslims form an army big enough to defeat an American super power (just incase US can’t be trusted to do anything other than ‘evil’)
Are Palestinian resistance fighters evildoer Muslims? (this if anything I would like you to answer)
Were Fidel Castro and Che Guevara just ‘plain-evil’ DOERS (as they were not muslim) for fighting American power to protect their country etc.
Who are all these evildoers you refer to.. How many are there? What do they want?
Are the Muslim evildoers as evil as the Christian evildoers?
STOP DOING ALREADY!
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@Sufi are you more intelligent and enlightened than than these two western writers combined by any chance?;)
Sorry was Evil of me.
I think anyone who reads “evildoer Muslims” anywhere ought to be worried and where particular exemption of Sufi Muslims is combined should also be wary. Some of the people you are potentially referring to as evildoers that have names, family’s, beliefs, nationality, prior education, hopes, dreams, memories etc etc are as human as you and I and they make decisions whether wrong or right that are also shaped by the world they live in and their immediate locality/environment. There are many other things besides their belief in a common god which are just as important to seeking ‘understanding’ in what ‘they’ DO. To describe any Muslim in their often somewhat ‘personal’ struggle against the west as an ‘evildoer’ is unhelpful and too simplistic in my view.
‘Human’ decision making could one day be as simple as this: do I agree with American foreign policy or not? If not, one option (the seemingly only to some) is to take up arms to try to change it… or to do defend nations against its far reaching influence… When people unify under a religion or for that matter a movement it is not necessarily ‘all’ that they are fighting for where freedom is concerned.
‘Terrorism': It’s not ALL just plain ‘resistance’ but sometimes it sure does look that way!
Chlorpromazine <<< common medication for schizophrenia…. rather apt nic.
Sufi islam spawned the muslim brotherhood and al gayda (insert proper spelling) amongst other terrorist groups.
Search for my comments in this website and The Guardian to better understand my position and thoughts.
I have read many of your posts and we have comunicated here before (although i have undergone a name change). I forgot to add in my ramblings that the position you are taking in relation to Jihadi and it’s use as a ‘term’ by western media (‘even’ here at TI in this instance) I am in complete agreement with.. I hope your question is asnwered in full by the writers in question as I would be interested to hear what they have to say.
The footnote idea is very sweet but I can’t see it taking off…
I have meerly attempted to get you to look at ‘your’ language and in particular ‘evildoer Muslims’.
Have you ever read an article here at the intercept or even the Gaurdian where this kind of language was used? or even try to imagine it as a headline. Smacks more of the Daily Mail or the SUN.
It is true perhaps that Bush, Blair et al can be described say as ‘Monsters’ but I and many others prefer the term ‘WAR CRIMINALS’ in the hope that they are tried for their wanten disregard for human life and humanity in the persuit of god knows what.
Oh! I hadn’t realized it. Sorry about that.
There’s a tsunami of anti-Islam sentiments in the West.
Part of it is due to the actions of certain types of Muslims; part of it is due to the anti-Islam trends within the West that date back to the early days of Islam, and part of it is due to the language people use in the media, often with good intentions, which does in fact causes regular non-Muslims to at least suspect that the religion of Islam inherently supports violence, without any, or much, restrictions and conditions, and a hostile attitude towards the non-Muslims.
Prior to the evil acts of 911, many Muslims and non-Muslims were able to build bridges. However, those bridges pretty much collapsed the morning of September 11, 2001.
This does not mean that the efforts to re-build bridges stopped that day. But it’s more challenging due to the events of that tragic day and what has subsequently followed.
One of the ways to defame ALL of Islam is by the use of certain terms and give them violent meanings that may be popular, but they nevertheless do have more spiritual meanings to traditional Muslims.
Language plays an important role in conveying ideas; just examine the word, ‘imminent’, that is often used to describe a threat.
Looks like I also failed to convey my thoughts, to an extent.
However, if you read my words, ‘evildoer Muslims’, within the context of the entire text of mine, I believe I am not stereotyping the Muslims and am not implicating all of Islam.
Here’s what I wrote in my original post:
If you connect my words, these evildoer Muslims, with what I wrote in the previous paragraph: those so-called Muslims who are committing evil, it is clear that I am calling those Muslims evildoers who are committing evil. And evil within the context of this post of mine and others in the past, refers to the act of harming the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers, which I consider to be morally wrong and against the traditional Islamic teachings.
As far as I am concerned, deliberately harming non-combatants, such as the killing of over a hundred school children that took place in Peshawar, Pakistan, recently, is an evil act, period!
One other thing. In my limmited understanding of the word Jihad which I hope is dare I say it more enlightened than the writers of this article (huge hope, scratch that).. There are more than one kind..? To simplify it as a word for ‘struggle’, the ‘greater’ Jihad or ‘struggle’ in the eyes of god is that involving the self..? Surely by denouncing violence/not commiting any (as in my example: the killing of innocents) you win the struggle if only by demonstrating to those who one struggles against (and sometimes for) that these actions are ‘wrong’ ..
If you have ever written a long piece on Jihad here at TI where you cover this, please provide a link incase I missed it…
“Axis of diesel”
The Economist referred to an article about the term apparently used more often in reference to a burgeoning alliance of Iran, Russia, and Venezuela.
“There’s a tsunami of anti-Islam sentiments in the West”
This is true, but I understood that you thought to see it here at TI in the guise of misrepresenting Jihad (even if not meant) should be addressed by the writers or even the editor. So keep playing the ‘broken record’ because it is well understood that this terminology is misguided and offensive to many people.
I have often referred to this scholarly article, by Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr:
“The Spiritual Significance of Jihad”, at http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/vol-9-no-1/spiritual-significance-jihad-seyyed-hossein-nasr/spiritual-significance-jihad
“You have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad. (Hadith)”
I’m relieved, was worried I might be on thin ice (Chlorpromazine 26 Dec 2014 at 11:10 am). I will read the whole thing to educate myself further. I would have prefered a link to ‘your’ words as they will have no doubt been debated somewhat if posted.
Any way watch out for combining the two words evildoers and Muslims in such close proximity… I hope that my words have not offended you, yet I stand by my calling you up on this language and thankyou for your response.
When debating between those of faith and those without takes place language is key to an understanding between the two ‘camps’ so that it can continue and hopefully bear fruit.
I criticize and disagree with those who harm the non-combatants in the name of Islam.
The Islam I understand and adhere to provides guidelines, and a framework, for those who are oppressed and have been wronged.
Harming the non-combatants is against these parameters.
Generally speaking, many forms of Sufi Islam have been, and are, about shedding desires and attachments and grooming the self so that it moves away from its “lower” tendencies and attributes, such as selfishness, self-pride, love of power, control, land and resources, anger, revenge, hatred, injustices, etc. so that the opposite of these attributes shine through the heart.
Obviously, these are a whole spectrum of attributes and qualities and a person at a given moment may reflect them to a degree.
And, certainly, it is possible for people to commit evil, to varying degrees.
However, bad/evil acts that are committed reflect the lower self.
Please see “The Journey of the Self”, “Cosmology of the Self”, “Witnessing Perfection”, by Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri. See this eBooks Portal, at http://www.askonline.co.za/ebooks.php#ebooks
You may listen to the audios and watch some of the videos at this website and its sister website http://www.shaykhfadhlallahaeri.com/
Yes, and from the perspective of the Sufi Islam I adhere to, it’s about acting through the lower or the higher self.
Quite often, people commit bad acts and know they are bad because they avoid committing those acts against “their own”. So they forget a very simple universally recognized quality: Do not do unto those what you don’t want done unto you.
By definition, non-evildoers commit good or neutral acts.
But human beings are complex. They may not like to see rockets thrown at them, but they may throw rockets on “others”.
The problem is that they see “other-ness”.
That’s not likely to happen. Power and control generally corrupt people and causes them to act through the lower self.
There’s a contradiction that human beings have not managed to remove, and it is expressed by Imam Ali who stated that: Those who desire power and control are the least qualified to hold power and control (position of authority).
I have paraphrased it.
Can one imagine electing those who do not lust for power and control and have no desire or attachments to them?
They commit evil when they target the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers.
I have had no problem criticizing their targeting of the non-combatants and consider their acts as evil, obviously to varying degrees.
I have said this much to many people:
Remember how the Second Intifadah began?
It began when Sharon decided to pay a visit to the Al-Aqsa mosque to claim sovereignty over that piece of land.
The Muslims opposed it and threw rocks at him and/or the soldiers.
The soldiers fired killing a few and the whole thing then blew up.
Had the Muslim leaders acted with kindness and respect towards Sharon and not only let him visit the mosque, but to invite him for some dates and coffee, the whole thing would been diffused and if Sharon went there to provoke the Muslims, he would have failed.
Amazingly, there are examples of such good behavior in the Sufi literature.
If they targeted the non-combatants, including off-duty soldiers, then they committed evil acts.
I refer to those Muslims who deliberately harm the non-combatants as evildoers.
I do not know their numbers, but many of them just killed over a hundred school children in Peshawar, Pakistan.
A person’s religion or non-religion is not the issue as far as I am concerned.
The state and station of their inner selves are what causes people to behave in a good or a wrong manner.
And, human beings know the difference between right and wrong.
Many, as I have stated before, will not do unto themselves what they do unto others.
Human beings know what justice, peace, love, forgiveness, controlling anger, humility, etc. and their opposite qualities are.
I have no way of knowing that. My objections are clearly stated.
I don’t know how to address that, but I’ve clarified my position above.
It’s about a person’s actions. Harming the non-combatants is simply wrong, whether it is by the implementation of a policy or deliberate targeting, for whatever goal.
Consequently, I do not consider the harming of the non-combatants that occurred during WWII, regardless of what the circumstances or objectives were.
‘Human’ decision making could one day be as simple as this: do I agree with American foreign policy or not? If not, one option (the seemingly only to some) is to take up arms to try to change it… or to do defend nations against its far reaching influence… When people unify under a religion or for that matter a movement it is not necessarily ‘all’ that they are fighting for where freedom is concerned.
To me, it’s about letting the self reflect the higher qualities. Political factors complicate this grooming of the self, but that’s the objective of many forms of Sufi Islam as well as other so-called mystical paths, and also of many non-religious people.
So, this grooming the self is not limited to this or that religious path, it’s being done by the atheists and agnostics as well.
I consider our age to be the post-religion age: Religion or non-religion doesn’t matter. What matter is for us to move away from the lower self; the higher is already there waiting.
NOTE: Usually, I read my comments after typing them. But, I am in a hurry, so I’ll post them now without double-checking them.
I submitted a long reply to you, but it did not get published for some reasons. I did not copy and save it, so I can’t re-submit.
Oh, well…
“I submitted a long reply to you, but it did not get published for some reasons”
Hey, no bother… has happened to me before. I do usually copy my comments just prior to posting but when things are working well for a while at TI it is easy to forget. Thanks for your time.
I did have a read of your above link… Very interesting.. I hope more read it and that if there is any debate on weather the Intercept would be better off to scrap refering to certain groups as Jihadis etc this document is a quick eye opener as to why that might be wise. Of course the article/document could be read at a slower pace in order to fully understand all of its’ ‘message’….
Cheers
WG
In this day and age of learning about Islam in sound bites, the mainstream media cannot make money if they have sober analysts, such as Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr, William Chittick, Kabir Helminski, Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl, and many others, to talk about traditional Islam and what’s going on in the Muslim world, on their daily or weekly shows.
Bill Moyers type interviews are rare in the MSM.
Imagine Bill Maher learning about Islam from these scholars, instead of from Boko Haram!
He might have a more balanced view.
AQAP appears to have a sense of humor. I can imagine them laughing as Americans nervously peer up each others rectums. Of course, ensuring Americans stay scared is part of the US government’s agenda as well. So it’s all good.
I can imagine them laughing as Americans nervously peer up each others rectums.
I can too. I have no trouble at all envisioning them all sitting around hashing out ways to test the limits western governments will go to to humiliate their own travelers and/or what levels of violation travelers will tolerate before they decide to just stay home. Either way, both the terrorists and government win, and the rest of us lose.
Merry Christmas Benito. Race you to the spiked eggnog. ;-}
I like spiked eggnog too, but I don’t bother with the eggnog part.
Eggnog lasts forever…its cohort, not so much.
Well that does it. Next time you fly , get ready to see a a lineup at the TSA checkpoint of dozens of passengers bent over with their pants around their ankles, getting their cavities examined .
I’d bet good money Chertoff’s security company is designing a machine right now where each passenger climbs onto the conveyor belt, stirrups up – just like women at their OB-GYN’s office exam – and rides through the machine similar to how we screen carry-ons now.
Of course, the opt out will be something more along the lines of what you described, because we always have to give our passengers an option that gives them the false impression that they somehow control some aspect – ANY aspect – of their humiliation. :-s
Or maybe Chertoff can have his engineers design some sort of dildo like probe. If you don’t already feel like an idiot with your shoes off and your belt unbuckled…wait till you are being butt fucked by Chertoff’s probe in public view…..all in the name of national security.
“I’d bet good money Chertoff’s security company is designing a machine right now”…
Somehow I don’t think anyone would be that stupid, for reasons obvious to those familiar with branches of mathematics known as statistics and probabilities. As a security expert explained a few years ago, more reasons for slowdowns at airport security checkpoints will result in denser crowding, making it more tempting and less risky for terrorists to target these checkpoints, rather than airplanes. We’re already nearing such tipping point today, thanks to the near-sightedness of security officials, and it wouldn’t take much more before someone outsmarts them.
Somehow I don’t think anyone would be that stupid, for reasons obvious to those familiar with branches of mathematics known as statistics and probabilities. … We’re already nearing such tipping point today, thanks to the near-sightedness of security officials, and it wouldn’t take much more before someone outsmarts them.
I think you are making a mistake in thinking that people like Chertoff, who make enormous sums of money by selling bogus security to the US government and/or transportation system, give as much consideration to the mathematics of statistics and probablility as they do toward the mathematics of sales and profits.
“I think you are making a mistake in thinking that people like Chertoff, who make enormous sums of money by selling bogus security to the US government and/or transportation system, give as much consideration to the mathematics of statistics and probablility as they do toward the mathematics of sales and profits” – Pedinska
Bingo.
Are you fucking serious? Take your Zionist anti-Islam agenda elsewhere, you ignorant Fox News drop-out.
With the addition of this inept Israel-First ‘reporter’, The Intercept has has shown its hand and set it’s course…
Still hung over
Still a Jew?
That explains it….
I’ll just avoid the obligatory tongue-in-cheek White Castle butt-bomb jokes and wish everyone a peaceful and happy whatever the day is to you.
Thank you, ladies, for the interesting contribution to the holiday fare – butt I’m sort of hoping it doesn’t actually appear at today’s dinner table.