UPDATED — A source within al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has provided The Intercept with a full statement claiming responsibility for the attack against the offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris:
Some ask the relationship between Al-Qaeda Organization and the (brothers) who carried out the #CharlieHebdo operation. Was it direct? Was the operation supervised by the Al-Qaeda wing in the Arabian Peninsula?
The leadership of #AQAP directed the operation, and they have chosen their target carefully as a revenge for the honor of Prophet (pbuh)
The target was in France in particular because of its obvious role in the war on Islam and oppressed nations.
The operation was the result of the threat of Sheikh Usama (RA). He warned the West about the consequences of the persistence in the blasphemy against Muslims’ sanctities.
Sheikh Usama (RA) said in his message to the West: If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions.
The Organization delayed to claim responsibility due to the executors’ security reasons. Nevertheless, the operation carries a number of important messages to all the Western countries.
One: Touching Muslims’ sanctity and protecting those who make blasphemy have dear price and the punishment will be severe.
Two: The crimes of the Western countries, above them America, Britain and France will backfire deep in their home.
Three: The policy of hitting the snake’s head followed by the Al-Qaeda organization under the leadership of Adhawahiri is still achieving its goals; until the West retreats.
Four: The inspiring media policies of the Mujahideen of Al-Qaeda especially of Inspire Magazine has greatly succeeded in identifying its targets and collecting powers.
One of the cartoonists’ name and photo were put down in Inspire’s wanted poster, dead or alive. The Western regimes should wait for harm and destruction by the Might of Allah.
I hope the brothers will distribute these tweets and translate them so that they reach the greatest audience. {And Allah has full power and control over His Affairs, but most of men know not.}
Arabic-language excerpts from the statement are being circulated widely on Twitter. AQAP has not made any claims of responsibility through its official communication channels. A prominent AQAP cleric released an audio recording today praising the attack, but made no reference to AQAP playing an operational role. [Update: Shortly after The Intercept published this statement, an AQAP official, Bakhsaruf al-Danqaluh, tweeted, in Arabic, the exact paragraphs the AQAP source provided us. This is still not an official AQAP claim of responsibility, but it suggests such a statement may be forthcoming or is being internally debated within the group.]
Earlier in the afternoon, a source within al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula gave The Intercept a separate message praising the attack on Charlie Hebdo. “The lions of Jihad have stood. The followers of Muhammad – peace be upon him – have never forgotten,” the message declared. “Do not look for links or affiliation with Jihadi fronts. It is enough they are Muslims. They are Mujahideen. This is the Jihad of the Ummah. So France, are you ready for more attacks?”
From the Winter 2014 issue of AQAP’s Inspire, a Muslim prays next to a pressure cooker, above an image of a French passport.
The source, who demanded anonymity because the group had not yet released an official statement, also told The Intercept that two images in the latest issue of its publication, Inspire, published in December, contained a clue foreshadowing the attack on Charlie Hebdo. One image (at right, click to enlarge) shows a Muslim kneeling in prayer with a cooking pot similar to the one used by the Boston marathon bombers. “If you have the knowledge and inspiration all that’s left is to take action.” On the page immediately below it is a picture of a French passport. Throughout the day, several AQAP members have been praising the attack on social media and discussion sites. An AQAP source pointed The Intercept to a recording they claim is Cherif Kouachi, one of the suspects, acknowledging that his trips to Yemen in 2011 were “financed” by U.S.-born radical imam Anwar al Awlaki and that he was sent to Yemen by AQAP.
The full message provided by the AQAP source, which references Inspire‘s previous threats to attack media outlets that publish demeaning pictures of the Prophet Muhammad, is here:
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of speech! Journalist! Newspaper! It is a war on freedom of speech. It is a war on journalism. These words kept belching out of many mouths. All are well aware of what this magazine published. “It was just satirical,” some argued. I find it funny how this type of people think. “It is a crime for a journalist to be killed,” they claim … I would like to pose some questions to them:
Was it a crime to kill Sheikh Anwar Al-‘Awlaki for his da’wah?
Was it a crime to kill Samir Khan for being a member of Inspire Team?
Was it a crime to kill Fuad Al-Hadhrami, the brother who accompanied journalists in S.Yemen?
Charlie Hebdo’s editor-in-chief Gerard Biard remarked he didn’t “understand how people can attack a newspaper with heavy weapons. A newspaper is not a weapon of war.” Isn’t Inspire a magazine? Are we to conclude that drones and missiles aren’t heavy weapons?
Where are your values in that regard?
The Charlie magazine team deserved what they got. Many warnings have been given before, but they were persistent. They had the freedom to use cartoons in their magazine, and we have the freedom to use bullets from our magazines. As the ‘Wanted List’ stated: A bullet a day, keeps the kaffir away. Yes, Charb is no more. The lions of Jihad have stood. The followers of Muhammad – peace be upon him – have never forgotten. As Sheikh Anwar Rahimahullah put it: The Dust Will Never Settle Down.
Do not look for links or affiliation with Jihadi fronts. It is enough they are Muslims. They are Mujahideen. This is the Jihad of the Ummah. So France, are you ready for more attacks; Weren’t you asked by Inspire Magazine immediately after the Wanted List:
So, why is France so thick in learning from its past mistakes? Is it leaving Paris undefended once again? Woe upon you from tens of Muhammad Merah!
You come third in the target list, after US and Britain. If I were the latter, I would rather pull my sleeves up.
Earlier in the day, the French government announced that the suspects in the Charlie Hebdo massacre have been killed following a stand-off at a printing plant outside of Paris. U.S. and French intelligence agencies are aggressively investigating the travel history and associations of the two brothers, Said and Cherif Kouachi. The brothers both claim to have spent time in Yemen. Agence France Press reports that Said traveled multiple times to Yemen from 2009-2013 and studied at Sana’a’s Iman University, founded by radical preacher Abdel Majid al-Zindani.
A senior Yemeni intelligence official told Reuters that Said traveled to Yemen in 2011 and met with Awlaki, who was infamous for his sermons and writings calling for Muslims in Western countries to conduct terrorist attacks. Anonymous U.S. officials have alleged in various news reports that Said received training from Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and a witness to the shooting told French media that one of the shooters claimed that they were from AQAP. “We do not have confirmed information that he was trained by al Qaeda but what was confirmed was that he has met with Awlaki in Shabwah,” the Yemeni official told Reuters. Awlaki, along with another U.S. citizen, was killed in a U.S. drone strike in northern Yemen ordered by President Obama in September 2011.
Said Kouachi
A senior Yemeni official told The Intercept that the French government has not yet formally requested the Yemeni government’s assistance or cooperation in their investigation. “France has not approached us in any official way yet,” the official said. “The [Yemeni] government is waiting for a French inquiry.”
The Intercept granted the Yemeni official anonymity because he is not authorized to speak about the matter absent an official French inquiry and because anonymous U.S. and Yemeni officials are making contradictory claims. The official said that many French nationals have traveled to Yemen, sometimes on passports from other nations.
Awlaki was very public in his calls for assassinating cartoonists and attacking media outlets that published demeaning images of Prophet Mohammed.
***
In June 2010, AQAP published its first issue of an English language publication, Inspire. “Allah says: ‘And inspire the believers to fight,’” read the opening line of the letter from Inspire’s unnamed editor. “It is from this verse that we derive the name of our new magazine.” Inspire, the editor wrote, was “the first magazine to be issued by the al-Qaeda Organization in the English language. In the West; in East, West and South Africa; in South and Southeast Asia and elsewhere are millions of Muslims whose first or second language is English. It is our intent for this magazine to be a platform to present the important issues facing the ummah [community] today to the wide and dispersed English speaking Muslim readership.”
The issue of Inspire featured an “exclusive” interview with the head of AQAP, Nasir al Wuhayshi, also known as Abu Basir, as well as translated works from bin Laden and Zawahiri. It also included an essay praising Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the failed underwear bomber. The magazine was well produced, with a layout that resembled a typical U.S. teen magazine, though without fashionably dressed women and celebrities. Instead, it featured photos of children alleged to have been killed in U.S. missile strikes and pictures of armed, masked jihadis. An article written under the byline “AQ Chef” and titled “Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom” provided instructions on how to manufacture explosive devices from basic household goods. Another article gave detailed directions on how to download military-grade encryption software for sending e-mails and text messages.
Perhaps most disturbing, the magazine contained a “Hit List” of people who it alleged had created “blasphemous caricatures” of the Prophet Muhammad. In late 2005, the Danish publication Jyllands-Posten commissioned a dozen cartoons of the Prophet, ostensibly to contribute to a debate about self-censorship within Islam. It had enraged Muslims across the world at the time, sparked massive protests and resulted in death threats and bomb threats against the newspaper. The hit list published by Inspire included magazine editors, anti-Muslim pundits who had defended the cartoons, as well as the novelist Salman Rushdie. But it also included Molly Norris, a Seattle-based cartoonist who initiated “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day.” Norris said she did it in response to the U.S. Comedy Central network’s decision to edit out a scene in its popular animated program South Park that addressed the controversy, after receiving a threat.
Anwar Al-Awlaki
“But even then our campaign should not be limited to only those who are active participants. These perpetrators are not operating in a vacuum. Instead they are operating within a system that is offering them support and protection. The government, political parties, the police, the intelligence services, blogs, social networks, the media, and the list goes on, are part of a system within which the defamation of Islam is not only protected but promoted. The main elements in this system are the laws that make this blasphemy legal. Because they are practicing a “right” that is defended by the law, they have the backing of the entire Western political system. This would make the attacking of any Western target legal from an Islamic viewpoint….Assassinations, bombings, and acts of arson are all legitimate forms of revenge against a system that relishes the sacrilege of Islam in the name of freedom.”
When Inspire was published, some within the U.S. intelligence community panicked. The first concern was protecting the people who had been identified as targets for assassination. The FBI took immediate precautions to guard the Seattle cartoonist, whom they feared could be murdered. She eventually changed her name and moved. Law enforcement agencies in other countries took similar measures.
***
If Awlaki met with Said Kouachi in Yemen, it would not be the first time he met with young Muslims who went on to attempt or conduct terrorist attacks. In the aftermath of the failed Christmas day attack on an airplane over Detroit, the young Nigerian man who attempted to detonate an explosive device sewn into his underwear was presented as an AQAP operative who had been sent on a suicide mission by Anwar Awlaki. Yemeni intelligence officials told the United States that Abdulmutallab had traveled to Awlaki’s tribal area of Shabwah in October 2009. There, they say, he hooked up with members of AQAP. A U.S. government source said that the National Security Agency had intercepted “voice-to-voice communication” between Abdulmutallab and Awlaki in the fall of 2009 and had determined that Awlaki “was in some way involved in facilitating this guy’s transportation or trip through Yemen. It could be training, a host of things. I don’t think we know for sure,” the anonymous source told the Washington Post.
A local tribal leader from Shabwah, Mullah Zabara, later told me he had seen the young Nigerian at the farm of Fahd al Quso, the alleged USS Cole bombing conspirator. “He was watering trees,” Zabara told me. “When I saw [Abdulmutallab], I asked Fahd, ‘Who is he?’” Quso told Zabara the young man was from a different part of Yemen, which Zabara knew was a lie. “When I saw him on TV, then Fahd told me the truth.”
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
Part of this article was adapted from Jeremy Scahill’s book, Dirty Wars: The World is a Battlefield.
Photo: Michel Euler/AP; Kouachi: Direction centrale de la Police judiciaire/Getty; Al-Awlaki: Tracy Woodward/The Washington Post/Getty; Abdulmutallab: U.S. Marshals/Getty
It is amazing to me how people use the power of language in their every word but think that ‘sticks and stones’ has nothing to do with the reality of modern thinking.
Paris: Little and Big Monsters
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12988
Netanyahu used his visit in Paris for political reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v64VomHfEbc
As to the following video, Netanyahu could only take the third bus, because there wasn’t any seat available in the buses before. He is surrounded by this bodyguards, but must have gone through nightmares as to his security. The building on the right is the Elysée, the government building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2LVDXpMXgQ
Is Charlie Hebdo Massacre Massive Military, Police Response Precedent Setting Opportunity?
ATLANTA (Jan. 13, 2015) — The Charlie Hebdo mass murder which took place Jan. 7 in Paris, France took the lives of 12 people and seriously injured 11. In the days that followed the massacre, the local government administered an unprecedented massive military and police response upon its civilian population.
In the interest of security, the New York Times reported today, “France Deploys Troops to Guard ‘Sensitive Sites’,”:
What measures would be imposed next? Curfews, no movement after dark, internet and cell phone blackouts. The catastrophic event would most likely require a complete electronic database save and search of everyone’s electronic communications for the past five years?
Yet, because the civilian population was essentially still “stunned” by the tragic event, the governmental imposition in order to provide “security” took place without resistance. Understandably, the citizens were just too busy being human experiencing their grief, anger and fear. Making them highly susceptible to being manipulated, a condition permitting the unprecedented military response to successfully be deployed and indeed welcomed.
Taking advantage of a “dazed and tragedy consumed” citizenry is not unheard of practice. The opportunistic intervention of both private and governmental entities is discussed in depth by Neomi Klein in her book, “The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism.”
In the Shock Doctrine, Klein discusses the manner in which corporate interests capitalize in collaboration with applicable and consenting governments during disastrous times such as tsunamis, hurricanes, mass murders, and of course, times of war.
“The architects of this [Iraq 2003] invasion were firm believers in the shock doctrine — they knew that while Iraqis were consumed with daily emergencies, the country could be auctioned off discreetly and the results announced as a done deal,” Klein writes. She adds, “As for journalists and activists, we seemed to be exhausting our attention on the spectacular physical attacks, forgetting that the parties with the most to gain never show up on the battlefield.”
Here, the Hebdo mass murder was the “shocking” event. At which time the applicable government, or multiple governments operating from the same protectionism game book, launched into action an unprecedented intrusion of military and law enforcement assets into the civilian landscape.
Using predictable human emotional responses to their advantage, unprecedented governmental intrusion was able to be deployed in response to the Hebdo massacre
In looking at the fine print, the enhanced security applied in response to the Hebdo massacre arguably allowed for: 1) the imposition of governmental intrusion upon the civilian sector’s privacy and living spaces; 2) the establishment of a response precedent to be referred to during similar future situations; and 3) the behind the scenes capitalization by private companies arranged to profit off of said intervention through exclusive contracts for goods and services needed for such intervention.
Goods and services would include the weapons, vehicles, surveillance apparatus, electronics and other equipment, to include ongoing service contracts for said equipment, however narrowly rationalized to be needed by the respective requesting agencies. This would also include any human personnel assets such as private security personnel, similar to the non-military security services provide by the private company Blackwater in Iraq.
There was surprise that no one of the US American high politicians participated in the funeral march in Paris. But John Kerry will be in Paris on Thursday & Friday to express his solidarity – after he attended a conference of investors in India. That’s a clear hint! The social democrat French government rejected the Free Trade Agreement TTIP altogether. Charlie Hebdo is mainly a socialist magazine. The former conservative French president already entered the Elysée palace for talks about – security. Sounds familiar.
Voltairenet org asks: “Qui a commandité l’attentat contre Charlie Hebdo ?” (Who has funded the assault on Charlie Hebdo? my transl.)
This is a genuine query:
Have the world leaders ever gone to attend the funerals of the Muslim victims of these evildoer, cancerous tumors within Islam?
Apparently, they have killed 8 times more Muslims than non-Muslims. So, it looks like Islam is the biggest victim of their violence.
You’ve got my comment all wrong. It’s about the Free Trade Agreements.
But I agree fully with you on the issue you discuss:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/09/who-should-be-blamed-for-muslim-terrorism/
http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/01/attack-in-paris-a-direct-result-of-western-imperialism/
http://redflag.org.au/article/charlie-hebdo-and-hypocrisy-pencils
I replied yesterday, but it didn’t get through. So again without links:
My post is about the FTA, but I agree fully with what YOU say. The article which I mentioned explains a lot of the background, & from the title you can guess that it is about the truth. In case you can’t read French I gave yesterday the links to the following articles:
Global Research – Just As The Islamic State (ISIL) Gets Exposed As A Fake US Enemy, A “Wag the Dog” Terrorist Attack in Paris?
RedFlag org – Charlie Hebdo and the hypocrisy of pencils
consortiumnews – Will France Repeat US Mistakes after 9/11?
But I think they are not so decisive as the other article.
http://open.salon.com/blog/charles_knause
Thanks for the article.Teju Cole is a wise human.
From the BBC:
_”Doubts raised over authenticity of Charlie Hebdo footage.“_
bbc-news.co.uk/doubts-raised-over-authenticity-of-charlie-hebdo-footage/
…draws a “Not Found” now. But a Google search on the language displays the BBC link:
http://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=doubts+raised+over+authenticity+of+charlie+hebdo+bbc
And it’s cached here:
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WfWMrmqES58J:bbc-news.co.uk/doubts-raised-over-authenticity-of-charlie-hebdo-footage/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
…where a remarkable claim by the BBC is made:
“A video clip broadcast by news agencies across the world in relation to the recent events in Paris is now under scrutiny.
“Some viewers may find the above footage distressing
“According to analysts, it appears that the footage was recorded over two takes, evidenced by a placement marker that appears by the front left wheel of the vehicle as the gunmen return from apparently gunning down a wounded Gendarme.”
Jeremy to appear on Amy’s “Democracy NOW!” soon – apparently discussing AQAP and the secret war being conducted in those countries.
Listening to Jeremy (Democracy Now 1/12/15) with Amy Goodman (or without) is always, enlightening, instructive and a pleasure! His level of research and clarity of reporting has yet to be surpassed! Thanks again Jeremy~
Could it be possible the United States was embarrassed to exhibit it’s own hypocrisy? Thereby not attending the march in Paris? (I know, doubtful)
“It is enough that they are Muslims” This should not be taken out of context, and it clearly shows how any (every) Muslim MUST NOW VIEW what is being done to their prophet in the most dire way and contemplate dire consequences to their relationship with the prophet should they not do as they have been instructed. FATWA to all Muslims…all non Muslims are now your enemy!.
So, in other words, according to you, ALL non-Muslims are now enemies of Muslims, like Malala, her parents, the over 100 schoolchildren that were recently killed in Peshawar, Pakistan, and a fairly large number of Muslims that have been killed by evildoers, the Muslim cop in France who was killed by these evildoers, and all those Muslims who have risked their lives speaking out against these evildoers, even fighting them, right?
If you go by the numbers, Islam is the greatest victim of these evildoers, as they have killed 8 times more Muslims than non-Muslims. I’ve provided a link elsewhere.
The attackers returned to France after fighting in Syria. Where the hell was French intelligence on this?
Out of curiosity, I googled this event as a false flag operation – I admit I found the discovery of the gunmens’ IDs in their car as bordering on the ridiculous. But I went to one site that had the video of the policeman being shot without blurring and it is hard to figure this out. The gunman shoots an AK-47, there is no recoil (apparently impossible with an AK-47, you can see something hitting or ricocheting the pavement, and most tellingly, there is not any blood or brain matter form the downed policeman. As the website also points out, there just happened to be a video camera in use on the opposite roof and it shows a street totally empty of any other traffic – in Paris, at 10:30 am. Also, the CH offices did have guards posted outside but not on the day of attack. And of course, it is irrefutable that the gunmen knew most of the staff would be assembled at that time on that day for a meeting – how did outsiders know this? Apparently the building is nearly empty most of the time. And there is also a report that the French police inspector in charge of writing the report and who talked to the families of the two alleged gunmen was in the process of writing the report when he pulled out his gun and blew his brains out – not being reported in MSM – name is Helric Fredou. When you add this to the Molotov cocktails left in the getaway car, there are a lot of unexplained things…Of course France just decided to support a Palestinian state, which Netanyahoo said they would regret. Sorry, but I do not put this beyond the realm of possibility when it comes to Israel. We have enough evidence of false flag things (TET offensive, Iraq on and on) to hold back on ridiculing feelings of conspiracy here.
Was it a means to bring about regime change bringing the conservative party back into the Elysée? Charlie Hebdo is a socialist magazine.
http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/sarkozy-demande-hollande-d-augmenter-le-niveau-de-fermete-et-de-vigilance-628421
http://www.vineyardsaker.net/i-am-not-charlie/
How were such mass protests possible?
http://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/press-release.html
Big Brother must have his way:
France’s President Rejects U.S. President’s Demand for Global Oligarchy
http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/frances-president-hollande-refuses-accept-u-s-president-obamas-demand-international-oligarchy/
http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/us-tycoon-rails-against-stupid-french-unions
http://time.com/3453037/france-germany-budget/
Eric Holder is allegedly in Paris but not seen at any of the rallys or demonstrations. Good for the U.S.
Live TV showed Natanyahu sitting next to Hollande in shul. I didn’t notice Abbas there. What’s up with that?
Avi Lipkin speaks on Saudi Arabia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjw-EbcMLY
And its designs on the U.S.
Make no mistake…I fight with Jews against Islam and religious tyranny of all kinds. Retribution this is called, blessed by God and reason of law. They want to kill and be killed…war is what they want let them have it…give all they want.
I’ve found another article, from Max Blumenthal’s twitter, from a pub I’ve never heard of, redflag.org
http://redflag.org.au/article/charlie-hebdo-and-hypocrisy-pencils
Isn’t that true?
“Isn’t that true?”
Word.
[snip]
‘For the last decade and a half the United States, backed to varying degrees by the governments of other Western countries, has rained violence and destruction on the Arab and Muslim world with a ferocity that has few parallels in the history of modern warfare.
It was not pencils and pens – let alone ideas – that left Iraq, Gaza and Afghanistan shattered and hundreds of thousands of human beings dead. Not twelve. Hundreds of thousands. All with stories, with lives, with families. Tens of millions who have lost friends, family, homes and watched their country be torn apart.
To the victims of military occupation; to the people in the houses that bore the brunt of “shock and awe” bombing in Iraq; to those whose bodies were disfigured by white phosphorous and depleted uranium; to the parents of children who disappeared into the torture cells of Abu Ghraib; to all of them – what but cruel mockery is the contention that Western “civilisation” fights its wars with the pen and not the sword?
And that is only to concern ourselves with the latest round of atrocities. It is not even to consider the century or more of Western colonial policies that through blood and iron have consigned all but a tiny few among the population of the Arab world to poverty and hopelessness.
It is not to even mention the brutal rule of French colonialism in Algeria, and its preparedness to murder hundreds of thousands of Algerians and even hundreds of French-Algerian citizens in its efforts to maintain the remnants of empire. It is leaving aside the ongoing poverty, ghettoisation and persecution endured by the Muslim population of France, which is mostly of Algerian origin..’
ht`blumenthal
ht`wktd
What does ‘wktd’ mean?
thanks!
Um, I think suave just shortened your screen name to wktd.
thanks, the obvious thing…
And this from same source:
author of said source:
ht`corey oakley (aka-`co)
‘australia in the house..’
“Isn’t that true?” – All too true.
The NYT and other media report that American al-Awlaki played a big role in the Paris attacks. Obama droned him a few years ago–without due process! I am so sorry that happened. The ACLU was furious then, but is silent now. We’ve got to stop killing Americans without trials.
Globalism, Colonial imperialism and Zionism are the root causes.These forces capitalize, commoditize, extract,exploit and poison the people, enslaving them as well with usury. and perpetual debt. The protocols of universal war profiteering and privtatization are systemic parasites and the antithesis of democracy.
Democracy is the bane of individual liberty. Two wolves and a sheep deciding on what’s for dinner.
Good one.
It’s why America wasn’t founded as one.
This is something from The New Yorker, by the Nigerian-American writer, Teju Cole.
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/unmournable-bodies
It puts things in a different perspective.
I will disagree with Mr Cole’s observations regarding droning Pakistanis. In general, none of the Pakistanis killed are innocent, though I wish it wasn’t so. They differ only in their extent of radicalization and their ability to kill others. They took our money and created terrorists; then they took more money to kill their created terrorists, but instead created even more. Right now I feel we should straight nuke them for taking us for a ride. Turkey, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also need cleaning up by the force of hydrogen fusion.
Only a truly demented person would advocate such massive destruction. I sincerely hope you die soon as you plague the world with evil.
@eyewitness:
I think you got your math wrong and eyes closed. After the Hiroshima and Nagasaki events, the elevated zygomatics from the far east got totally reformed, and that too with far lesser casualties and destruction than what we have been eyewitnesses to in recent times.
@eyewitness:
I think you got your math wrong and eyes closed. After the Hiroshima and Nagasaki events, the elevated zygomatics from the far east got totally reformed, and that too with far lesser casualties and destruction than what we have eyewitnessed in recent times.
Thanks for showing this writers very wise words.
Jeremy (and others):
Is there anything to Sibel Edmonds’ speculation about “Gladio B”?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN6xa7kD9dZ_qXHAmm4dx-Bqqy10mSVDZ
See as well:
1992 documentary on Operation Gladio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA
Who Should be Blamed for Muslim Terrorism?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/09/who-should-be-blamed-for-muslim-terrorism/
There was a time when they had all the land, all the people and all the resources, and we just had all of the dollars. Now we have all the land, all the resources and all the dollars, and they still have some of the people, thanks to our generosity.
Not a bad business model ;-)
The Saudis are our dear friends. We bow low and deep to them and do not publish reports that accuse them in any way. Isn’t that how friends are supposed to behave?
Hello editing, can we fix the lede paragraph?
Vive La France
It will be interesting to see how this gets twisted.
That is so laughable! This is Mahmoud Zahar, top leader of Hamas giving his opinion about the cartoons depicting Muhammad in 2006
the caricatures of Muhammad were an “unforgivable insult” that should be punished with death. “We should have killed all those who offend the Prophet and instead here we are, protesting peacefully”
Hamas is right. Only blowing up civilian busses should be permitted.
Did they ever get around to condemning the attack on the kosher grocery?
Murder in the name of “god”. got it.
George, curtain up in 5..4..3..2..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_tr_k59O6s
If stupidity were weather the entire human race would be a fucking 5.1 hurricane.
Are you murderers ready to die, just like those three idiots? Have you gotten your degree in STUPID 101 from your brainwashers yet?
3 suspects named minutes after the attack. Why the 3rd had nothing to do with the attack. Were the 2 brothers that FKN stupid not to split apart. Could the 2 brothers been arrested before the assault and used as patsys . Whole setup stinks .Dead men do not talk. Israelies learnt their lesson after 911 attacks–make sure all the accused are dead. Out of the 19 supposed attackers–8 were found alive :^(
Why is The Intercept feeding this? Are they clueless? More justification for the International security state.
The Intercept needs to talk to Sibelius Edmonds http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds to understand what the hell is going on and get a clue.
This is a blatant strategic pattern. If this was masterminded by AQ then the question journalists need to ask is who is masterminding AQ (real journalists–not the ones just beating the bushes planted in front of them).
It’s the story of the century–and its right there in front of everyone.
Thank you for the reminder.
Yes, Sibel Edmonds was deemed a threat to the longstanding agenda because she dared to tell the truth.
I would go farther than calling this “the story of the century” in that
this deviousness and corruption has been central to the warmongering and lust for resources
by the Corporate States of America (USA) since its earliest years.
The first major propaganda driven war created by the CSA was the War of 1812 and it was followed by the War against Mexico
and there are numerous others since. Each manufactured war being more egregious.
Now it is a global crusade for the benefit of the high priests of capital and the members of al Qaeda are the perfect assholes
to keep it growing.
Both the NATOmatoms and the militant fake-islamists want us to think it is about idealisms when it is really about
predatory viciousness and domination of resources for sadistic dominant power.
Perhaps now is a good time to watch the BBC documentary about the ‘Gladio’ network if you haven’t yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA
-let’s face it, they ain’t going to put that kind of thing on telly again any time soon.
Those terrorists sure were careless with their ID documents…..Kind… of….reminds…me…of…someth…
….Oh never mind.
‘Kind…of….reminds…me…of…the…dew…rag..’
Jet-Crash-Proof Bandana
[snip]
‘The trial of Zacarias Moussaoui in 2006 resulted in the release of a large number of trial exhibits. One was an unblemished bandanna in a ziplock bag, which, according to the caption on the website of the The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press listing the exhibits, was recovered from Flight 93’s crash site. As photographs of the primary crash site show, the plane buried itself in a crater 10 feet deep, leaving no recognizable debris beyond scraps of charred aluminum. Yet this bandana miraculously survived the crash without so much as a blemish.
Perhaps the jet-crash-proof bandana is made from the same material as the jet-crash-proof passport that emerged from the fiery crash of Flight 11 into the North Tower. We shouldn’t be too surprised that the suicide hijackers had access to undreamt-of materials technologies, given their ability to achieve air supremacy over America’s trillion-dollar military.’
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/flight93.html
-James Jesus Angleton
Head of the CIA Counter Intelligence [1954-1974]
‘Gladio’
ht`myers
I completely agree with you. Criminal violent acts are not new and the root cause of these acts is hatred. In turn, governments, organizations (including terrorist ones) and special interest groups use these violent acts to promote their agendas – security state, arms dealing and/or serve as justification for reduction or elimination of privacy and liberties. Fear is an effective weapon to use against the population and has been the primary tool of choice over the last two decades – USA is certainly no stranger to its use: remember IRAQ’s WMD and subsequent invasion? The fear and hate propaganda is everywhere.
Journalism – real journalism (whatever is left of it) – must lift the veil of fear and get to the facts of the stories. Too many “news” organizations read press releases provided by organizations (including governments) and succeed in the cyclical spreading of hate and fear but fail miserably at the core issues.
We, too, must be vigilant to read through the agendas and propaganda. Not an easy task given the overwhelming propaganda assault we face every day. THIS is the story worth reporting!
What has Edmonds told us? Absolutely nothing. She’s a Jonesian lunatic. Nowadays she is nothing than a burn out — flinging crazy conspiracy theories around.
What did she actually prove? NOTHING.
Not even sure exactly what constitutes ‘proof’ any more in the arena of the deep state, in fact I am starting to see what R. Anton Wilson was getting at when he said that his efforts were:
“to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone but agnosticism about everything.”
Corbett does a decent job (in my opinion) of integrating Edmonds’ allegations into a coherent hypothesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q0qau8f0w8
The interesting stuff about Abdullah Cath etc. starts around the 30 min mark.
That’s Abdullah Catli
All hail Eris :)
Edmonds was convinced by April 2001 that what happened on September 11, 2001 was in the works and
because she wouldn’t let go of her convictions she was designated a “troublemaker” and
even after the events of 9/11 her testimony before the congress was removed from the “official” report.
She has been repeatedly thwarted in her efforts to inform people by the agencies which betrayed her and the people.
Bill Owen strikes me as a typical PR hack who is trying to keep people from the truth.
There is more to it than that I think. Edmonds made some pretty venomous attacks against Glenn Greenwald in the middle of the Snowden revelations, and that divided opinion about her whistleblowing; there are some here who remember that.
It would seem that her being edited out of the 911 Commission-torture-testimony-Report, is significant in light of the other things that didn’t make the page.
As for her premonitions, at least she got off more lightly than John O’ Neil…..
Greenwald isn’t a saint, and I haven’t seen the courage. His response to a bated query for comment in a Reddit session weeks after Michael Hastings had car trouble:
“Michael was a good friend and someone whose journalism I admired greatly. His death is a huge loss to the profession and the country, and something I still mourn.”
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1nisdy/were_glenn_greenwald_and_janine_gibson_of_the
And I’ll keep arguing he’s a “journalist” only by the farthest stretch of the imagination. This is not a Matt Taibbi or a Seymour Hersh or Radley Balko. This is somebody who had a trove of documents dropped into the lap of a well-spoken armchair opinionator (and only after a prolonged attempt to establish at-times-resistant contact).
What would Glenn Greenwald know about the “profession”?
As far as I know Edmonds has not
“made some pretty venemous attacks against Glenn Greenwald.”
What she HAS done is to express her suspicions about (and based upon) the fact that
Glenn Greenwald has aligned himself with a major corporate profiteer (Omidyar) and has made lucrative
contracts based upon his association with Snowden.
She has raised questions to Greenwald and to Snowden which still need to be addressed.
Raising valid questions about very real corporate connections is neither “venomous” nor is it a form of “attacks.”
She has not portrayed these suspicions as if they are facts.
The problem that she has run into is that Greenwald is worshiped by too many people who prefer to overlook
what would be a very suspicious connection (with Omidyar) if it was being made by say Tom Brokaw or George Will.
I do not have answers and neither does anyone else and
history has repeatedly shown that the tendency to overlook suspicions because of hero worship
is a very dangerous form of desperation.
It seems that it is Greenwald as much as Edmonds
who has raised these suspicions by his lack of interaction with a known whistleblower (Edmonds)who has raised some
important questions.
This rift(?) could possibly be healed if Greenwald would make an effort to be more inclusive.
At this point, I still respect them both and I think they could be a good team.
As far as I know Edmonds has not
“made some pretty venemous attacks against Glenn Greenwald.”
`clark
[snip]
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/12/13/glen-greenwald-goes-on-record-i-dont-doubt-paypal-cooperates-with-nsa/
A Sans Couth Production
to “Suave”
The reason this was said was because Glenn Greenwald has not explained how or when
he became convinced that Omidyar’s Paypal was/is cooperating with the NSA and how it is that
Glenn can be exposing what the NSA has been doing while he is getting paid by someone he is convinced
is cooperating with the NSA.
Being in two places at the same time is indeed a sign of hypocrisy
– that is a position where Greenwald has put himself.
In a way, Edmonds is pushing Glenn Greenwald to eliminate the air of hypocrisy
which he has admitted he knows is real.
To me, that is good advise and Glenn Greenwald is the only one who can
remove the suspicion by being more forthcoming.
If he can’t or won’t, history indicates that the suspicion of his corporate sponsorship must linger
and that is not good for anyone.
`clark..
My contention was to validate that `myer’s “venomous” allegation had relevance, and it is of my humble opinion that Sibel’s insinuation that Mr. Greenwald is “whoring” his wares, substantiates this sentiment.
As far as the context of your opinion(s) w/ respect to Mr. Greenwald’s current association(s), I believe that you have a valid argument that has yet to be addressed/rectified.
cheers..
To “Suave”
I truly think that Glen Greenwald is the only one who can put these suspicions to rest.
I also think he and Sibel Edmonds could/should be allies and that can only happen if Greenwald would
make the effort to explain his unusual(?) alliance with Omidyar’s corporatism.
Agree.
I don’t disagree with you there. She has/had useful information. The problem is she is doing NOTHING useful with it. The fact that she’s flamed out doesn’t mean she isn’t/wasn’t right about certain things. She needs to stop attacking the people who could do the most to help her.
Stupid that she attacked Greenwald/Omidyar
See my response to “Suave” above.
Your entire post is bull shit — because of your premise which is the same as I pointed out in my comment/reply about the blog post from the author in Edmond’s boiling frog linked from Suave. I won’t bother repeating it because, as I said, it’s exactly the same as I already explained. If you want to see what I mean read that guys blog post and then my reply about it.
To “Kitt”
Omidyar’s Paypal tried to sabotage Wikileaks because of Bradley Manning’s revelations
and then Glenn Greenwald aligned himself with Omidyar.
He did not have to join Omidyar’s organization and he is obligated to be more open
about what is going on.
Greenwald is the only one who can explain his relationship to the predatory Paypal empire.
When hundreds of millions of dollars are being pocketed by anyone there is reason to be suspicious
especially when the access to the money came from an association with a corporation known for its
attempt to silence the truth.
The author of the post that suave linked to at Edmonds’s website or blog is full of shit right from the outset. Glenn tweeted:“I don’t doubt PayPal cooperates with NSA – that this is in the docs that we’ve been paid to withhold are total lies.” Then this full of himself person pretends to put on his “Greenwald hat” as he plays the rol of his concoction of a ‘tough-as-nails attorney’ working off of TV script which needs a total rewrite. Right from the start he rephrases Glenn’s words to mean whatever this guy says that Glenn’s words meant. Then he struts back and forth between the jury and his beleaguered, sputtering pretend Greenwald on the hot-seat witness stand demanding that the pretend Glenn explain the straw pile that the guy has built for the pretend Glenn to explain. Rank amateur. If I had to make a guess about what Glenn meant by, “I don’t doubt PayPal cooperates with NSA,” is that he figuring why would PayPal be any different than, say, Google, Microsoft, Telecoms and a whole host of other companies and corporations that we know have cooperated, either willingly or not, with the NSA? Real damned simple.
To Clark … You haven’t said anything that hasn’t all been said before. It’s meaningless, pointless drivel, and I see that you didn’t bother to address that I pointed out that both you and that other cartoon character who blogged on Edmonds’s frog site made up fantasy about what it means to say “I don’t doubt.” That’s why both you and that person and Sybil Edmonds have no credibility.You fail to be honest when challenged about the most simple and easy to address misrepresentations.
“I don’t doubt.”
I believe.
I am convinced.
There is no doubt.
These statements all say the same thing.
So, the only question which really matters in this is
why did Glenn Greenwald join a corporate predator like Omidyar?
NO ONE has shown a better ability to delineate the flaws in the statements of corrupt officials
through the recent times than has Glenn Greenwald
and this fact makes his reticence about Omidyar’s predatory corporate history that much
more suspicious.
I am not saying Glenn Greenwald has made a deliberately devious pact with the devil (Omidyar), but he
of all people
(up until he joined with Omidyar) would be the one to see that there is at least a hint of
impropriety in his collegiality with the corporatist Omidyar.
Greenwald is too intelligent to not see this and he is the only one who can remove the suspicions.
“I don’t doubt.”
That’s why it is insufferable even attempting to discuss with someone who just will not the take the time to and make the effort to learn the meaning of language. Did you bother to read the blog post from Edwards’s frog site that I commented about and rebutted here. I explained why that guy was a blathering joke, and he was pulling the same incoherent “argument” that you’re all over the place with. “I don’t doubt” is not the same damned thing as “there is no doubt” or “I am convinced.” You can’t make shit up about what Greenwald actually said, and then run with it as if you’re making some fucking points with the made up fuckall that you made up. All you’re doing is showing what a waste of time you are.
They can put ban on hijab..is it not against the freedom of expression. Double standards of hypocrates.
My freedom of waving hands ends where someones nose begin.
When I leave church on Sunday, I have a spirit of good will and to be a better person in every way. There are no Pastors telling me its ok to kill or be violent. Far from violence, im taught that even lying or being unkind or having bad thoughts must be corrected. If the French cartoonist had depicted Jesus negatively, it would have had no effect on me because my religion teaches me to be tolerant, kind, forgiving, merciful and never violent. There is no segment of modern Christianity that teaches this outright violence, no Reverends or Pastors encouraging members toward violence. Muslims and the Islamic world have a responsibility to oppose the spread of this doctrine. They should be fighting against this dishonor of the Great Prophet Mohammed with the same tenacity that the fanatics fight with to blaspheme his name.
I don’t think attack was instructed by anyone, Muslims know that communication is spied and they will not use any kind of communication between yemen for example and france. men who made attack in paris planned and decided everything by themselves. in other case, they would be discovered. by french intelligence failed 100% and they should loose job, but security is business and they will profit from this attack, they will get more money from budget.
“The FBI took immediate precautions to guard the Seattle cartoonist, whom they feared could be murdered. She eventually changed her name and moved.”
The FBI didn’t do shit other than recommend that she go into hiding. That’s why she changed her name and moved.
Is the FBI protecting Pastor Terry Jones, since he’s on the Al Qaeda hit list? If anything, he needs to make sure they don’t find a pretext to throw him in jail like that “Innocence of Muslims” filmmaker.
What did Obama say to the UN general assembly? “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” That may as well be on the next cover of Inspire.
At least France actually provided a bodyguard to the cartoonist on the hit list, but it wasn’t enough.
“Jeannette Bougrab, the partner of Stéphane Charbonnier, the editor of Charlie Hebdo, known as Charb, has given an interview on French television channel TF1 in which she blamed the massacre on inadequate security at the Charlie Hebdo offices.”
@Death to Traitors
I sort of agree with you on your observations and advice. But sort of name do you have? Looks like you are Self-appointed Spymaster + Self-nominated Judge + Self-employed Executioner = Self-bloated Megalomaniac. Maybe I can convince myself of your Self-worth if you select a sedate and humble name like some of us government folks like Craigsummers or Nate or even Steb have adopted.
Jihadists thank The Intercept. We can’t be letting spy agencies spy on Jihadists and their mosques now. Can’t be placing Jihadists on no-fly-lists now. Can’t be killing citizens like Anwar al-Awlaki now.
One of the documents leaked by Snowden mentioned spying on a messaging app “heavily used by AQI.” The media tried to black out that part about AQI, but they screwed up and left it exposed. AQI is Al Qaeda in Iraq, now known as Islamic State or ISIS. Think they still use that messaging app?
GLENN GREENWALD has pocketed thousands of dollars speaking at CAIR fundraising banquets? What?!
“There really is no organization with which I’d rather be spending my time, or with which I feel more at home than CAIR,” Greenwald told CAIR’s San Francisco chapter in 2012, though a year earlier the same office issued a poster advising Muslims to slam the door in the face of FBI agents asking for help finding terrorists to prevent another 9/11.
“I’m really glad to be a part of anything that CAIR does,” he added, “and to support the organization in any way that I can.”
His support includes interfering in federal investigations. After CAIR lawyers contacted him, Greenwald took classified investigative information Snowden stole and fed it to CAIR chief Nihad Awad, knowing he was the subject of a major terrorism probe.
CAIR was recently designated as a terrorist organization by the United Arab Emirates.
JOHN COOK, the editor in chief at the Intercept, had a conversation with Sam Harris that Harris describes as “the most maddening encounter I’ve had with another human being in decades.”
“I felt like I was talking to a robot programmed to run a reason-destroying, political-correctness routine until the end of the world…
I have no idea what Cook’s background is, but this is not a person who should be guiding journalism into its digital future…
People like Greenwald and [his colleague at the Intercept] Murtaza Hussain are so sure that they are on the right side of important issues that, when they see someone whom they imagine to be on the wrong side, they feel justified in distorting his views in an effort to destroy his credibility.”
Here’s that conversation between Harris and Cook.
Harris: My criticism of Islam is not racist.
Cook: It is racist.
Harris: John, Islam is not a race. You can’t convert to a race. And my criticism of Islam applies to white converts just as much as it does to Arabs or anyone else born in a Muslim country. In fact, it applies to converts MORE because they weren’t brainwashed into the faith from birth.
Cook: So all Arabs are brainwashed?
Harris: What?
Cook: You just said “Arabs are brainwashed.” That’s racist.
We don’t need an infamous No Fly List to keep people like these French killers out. There’s nothing new about countries excluding unwanted persons from entry – it simply has nothing to do with flying, and isn’t muddied with the separate question of security of the transportation itself. And certainly the real injustices of the No Fly list, people from inside the U.S. who are targeted by it without appeal, do nothing to prevent them from being here!
What we can see from the French experience is that it’s not wise to just slap a terrorist tag on somebody because you don’t like their perspective, then let them off with time served (maybe put them into national news headlines as a bonus). Either they’re a terrorist who has committed some real crime and can be dealt with in a real legal way, or you leave them alone (legally speaking, I’m not saying you can’t investigate) and don’t radicalize them into one.
I also have to question why international authorities are so eager to keep citizens with Islamist beliefs from travelling to Iraq. What’s so bad about letting them go join al-Qaida, revoking their citizenship for serving in a foreign army, and locking the door behind them? Even if we were virtuous and never attacked them with a drone, it wouldn’t matter — they or some other jihadist would be dead soon enough. American Islamists don’t fly off to jihadistan planning to make $300 a year farming opium; they expect to be in charge. But there can only be so many leadership opportunities available, which means that sooner or later, if we do nothing, somebody is going to get purged, and purged hard.
Cherif Kouachi, one of the thug brothers in the Charlie Hebdo massacre, was not unfairly tagged a terrorist He was caught red-handed carrying out terrorist activity. Sentenced to a year and a half, he was let out only to be caught again, this time aiding a jail break-out plot to liberate another professional jihadist. They dropped the charges. The rest is history. Western powers do not have to target and repress all Muslims to stop terror. They have to stop terrorists from importing and exporting violence dressed up as Islam. Why not just deport them? Why add another thug to the Jihad which boomerangs back on Europe and the US or kills our soldiers in Syria and Iraq? Seek out terrorists, arrest and try them, if convicted let that be the first and last time. No government needs to repress religion in order to prevent or stop terror. Religion didn’t create terror. If it had, 1.6 billion people would be Jihadists. Obviously, they aren’t. We need to target terrorists, not countries, not ethnic groups, not 1.6 billion. We need to narrow, not widen the net.
Cook worked at Gawker which is a propaganda rag and had a writer on its staff routinely trashing Assange, Snowden, Manning — pretty much giving him away as government plant.
Remember Walid al-Rezani from ’24’ – day 6 ?…
On a more factual note, I doubt someone like Harris is in the best position to give lessons about rationality, and what is “maddening”. To me, it’s pretty mad to be advocating preemptive nuclear strikes…
Jews as depicted by pre-WWII anti-Semitism all had a hook nose. They were all were plotting against nation-states (> Der Jud Süss). And they all would have sold their mother for money.
Westerners as depicted by Muslim extremists are all depraved. They’re all devoid of spirituality. They’re all arrogant imperialists.
Muslims as depicted by secular fundamentalists are all enemies of reason. They’re all pea-brained. And they all carry either an AK47, or a bomb belt.
The word ‘race’ itself has become highly controversial after the Holocaust, at least in Europe. So why not just abandon the word ‘racist’ altogether, and replace it with ‘essentialist’ ?…
One of Merriam Webster’s definitions of ‘essentialism’ is : “the practice of regarding something (as a presumed human trait) as having innate existence or universal validity rather than as being a social, ideological, or intellectual construct”, for instance (example mine) considering terrorist tendencies are a universal trait of Muslims.
In theory, Western societies all value the concepts of individuality and critical thinking. Both are supposedly protected by their respective Constitutions. These very concepts also define Charlie Hebdo. By refusing to consider Muslims as individuals, people like Harris not only succomb to shortcuts of the mind unworthy of any philosopher, they also deny the very foundations of the Western Enlightenment, which, to say the least, is kind of ironic…
Can we please see where this information is taken from? A link? Where al-qaeda declared this?
They should name their magazine Scarecrow. The whole religion is based on scaring the sh!t out of people if they dare to look either left or right, smile or wink, laugh or giggle. Inspiration is associated with noble thoughts, not the basal variety that they practice.
Apparently,
for too many people
of too many religions
their “god” is really
hypocrisy.
So many purportedly devout people worship a purportedly ALMIGHTY god, but
they take it upon themselves (in their hypocritical religious schemes of sexist domination)
to slaughter other people
because they clearly do not really believe that their god is “almighty.”
IF
your god is so f*#king powerful
who the hell do you think you are when you KILL for it?
This hypocrisy is part of judaism, christianity, islam, hinduism, buddhism, and other
man-made religions.
Human history is overflowing with the slaughtering done by hypocrites who pretend to be devout.
p.s.
George Bush, Barack Obama, Osama bin Laden, Ariel Sharon,…..among many, many others
ALL worship the same god
and it is not a god of forgiveness or of kindness.
It is a god of domination, greed, and pride.
AMEN!!! They’re really just corrupt Corporations that don’t pay taxes!!!
Amen
There is but one religion : Humanity. All others are sects…
And you believe them? Sounds like a great oppurtunity to discredit someone.
One thing is clear, those with the guns will dictate how things go.
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
-Mao Zedong
“Was it a crime to kill Sheikh Anwar Al-’Awlaki for his da’wah? Was it a crime to kill Samir Khan for being a member of Inspire Team? Was it a crime to kill Fuad Al-Hadhrami, the brother who accompanied journalists in S.Yemen?”
According to their own logic regarding media equivalence, either it was, in which case Charlie Hebdo didn’t “deserve what they got”, or CH reaped what they sowed, in which case killing al-Awlaki Sr., Khan and al-Hadhrami was justified.
Same reasoning applies regarding Merah : if he was a good guy, then killing innocent Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was also justified, wasn’t it ? And vice versa…
It appears terrorists AND those Westerners who seek to reactively terrorize them in return are both able to ‘eloquently’ justify their horrors against the other.
Well listen up, both sides: Proposing violence is not an answer, but a question. The answer is NO. And this applies TO both sides.
“He/she hit me first” isn’t really an acceptable excuse for children or adults, but evidently revenge (regarded rightly for centuries by every worthy philosophy as an utter abomination, an evil, a wretched moral crime) is obviously distressingly promoted in extremist circles as just as dutiful and decent as it is by Hollywood, TV and other Western (‘progressive’ and ‘reactionary’) drivel.
jeremy, why would your source only communicate with you?…shouldn’t the source alert the new york times, bbc, cnn, etc. to confirm what has happened?..answer: the mainstream already believes it…the c.i.a. has to convince the left that these lies are true, so they “tip off” influential leftists…
taking credit for terrorist acts when your organization is being decimated by a superpower is extremely unbelievable…
Thanks AL-QAEDA. You did a good job. Cartoonists around the globe should not make the same mistake… Cartoonist: find anything to draw about but STAY AWAY from Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him).
Jan 9, 2015 Paris Shooting – The West Reacts!
Should freedom of speech be limited? Should newspapers republish the controversial cartoons? What about the fact that Western governments have armed, trained, and financed the Islamic State? Stayed tuned for more on this story, as PFT separates the facts from the fiction to find out what the Charlie Hebdo attack is really about.
http://youtu.be/qrM8qGuWOt0
it’s true: the US government is not at war with right wing terrorist groups. The US ruling class has long collaborated and allied with right wing terrorist groups, and when convenient, has backstabbed these groups, in order to achieve its economic and political objectives.
http://japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/3578
and http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-u-s-oil-companies-and-central-asia/762
Nope. You plot incite the murder of civilians, you get targeted.
Nope. You incite murder by instructing the death of civilians and are the media arm of AQAP, you’ll be targeted as well.
Gotta love these false equivalences. Awalaki is involved in several anti-U.S. plots, he gets killed. Charlie Hebdo posts non-violent satire. Somehow that is equivalent to AQAP’s pea-brained followers?
AQAP is a disgrace to Islam.
So you agree with free speech or no? just curious
The sick part is that AQAP is basically saying the same thing many leftists are saying about these attacks.
So, by your logic, those that plotted the illegal invasion of Iraq based on lies ending up responsible for destroying a country and many of its citizens should be drone bombed without trial? See how that works? Would it be acceptable for Venezuela to drone bomb a citizen of the US because they thought they encouraged right wing terrorism? Of course not. And neither is it OK to execute a man never charged, tried, or convicted of anything just because Obama thinks he is evil and enjoys taking down those on his kill list. I am against the death penalty in all cases, but this is an extreme example of state sponsored murder while violating a sovereign nation, much like so many other attacks perpetrated by our blood thirsty leaders.
John Kelly,
Your logic has a lot more faults than mine. First of all, unlike Pakistan’s tribal belt, Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan, the U.S. has actual rules of law, doesn’t have areas that are out of the government’s control, and even has an extradition treaty with Venezuela. Also, don’t conflate the Invasion of Iraq with the plot to murder civilians. That is an impossible comparison.
First off, should he have been tried In Absentia? Secondly, he didn’t fall strictly within the jurisdiction of U.S. criminal law. And he was not killed just because Obama thought he was evil, that’s your own hyperbole. The government collected intelligence against him and he just happened to be named or communicating with multiple people who executed acts. Coincidence!? I think not, and Morten Storm, the Danish AQAP member that turned to PET and the CIA did not refute any of those claims.
Let me ask you this, what would you do about Awlaki? What if it was not feasible to catch him!?
My apologies for the poor analogy. I was in a bit of a hurry. The fact that the people you seem to trust to bring a war-in-(t)error radicalized talker to “justice” contend they can’t apprehend him is not my problem. Tough shit for them. Their blood lust is not moral, rational, or legal. The fact that he was executed by an illegal act within the borders of a sovereign state by the executive is my problem. I’m sorry you do not get it.
Let’s try again… should Canada be able to use drones in the US because they think there is a terrorist in Idaho that is beyond the reach of the law? If your answer is yes, then congratulations, you are at least consistent. If the answer is no, then you must be a believer in American exceptionalism.
The overwhelming evidence of wide-spread torture and abuse, the protection of war profiteers, the genocidal invasions of multiple countries, and the epic fear mongering of a propagandized public makes the people that defend that system unreliable witnesses. They are proven liars and Fascists. The system is corrupt from top to bottom.
As to what I would do about Awlaki… I would not have invaded Iraq, I would not support the slow motion genocide in Gaza, I would not have invaded Afghanistan, and I would stop drone bombings. There is a great deal of evidence that he was radicalized by Bush & company’s brutal and stupid response to 9/11. There are many people far more dangerous who are responsible for massive suffering and death… many our allies. Alwaki was a pimple, not a cancer when compared to the major tyrants of the world. Just another boogieman to scare the gullible sheep with.
The French should put up billboards all along the French highways of the Muhammad cartoons that the assassinated cartoonists drew.
They should put up billboards along the French highways of the Muhammad cartoons that the assassinated cartoonists drew.
Is it wise having the ‘Inspire’ magazine so readily downloadable from here?!
The only people laughing at some of these solidarity cartoons are the globalists, the cult of the dark sun, the priest class of Saturn, that weaponize these groups while simultaneously telling commoners that they can’t own the means of effective self defense.
They laugh that these lambs, fatalistically accepting their disarmed feudalism, will rationalize that–the pen triumphant in the end against a violent armed assault–their idea lives on–a dead romantic idea vis-à-vis a live one.
Reports also have some French now predicting an even more strongly staffed police state as a result of this.
I really hate it when we hand al-Qaida talking points. Which is what we do _whenever_ we allow the language of censorship to corrupt and pollute our thinking. In theory, we should be able to draw a line with Charlie Hebdo on the one hand and Inspire on the other, by delineating a difference between statements of opinion that are offered for people to accept or reject as they prefer, and a military channel of command that is clearly intended to have a physical effect. After all, couldn’t American drone operators say they are just exercising their freedom of speech when they broadcast their creative set of commands to their flying killing machine?
It is not the content of your speech that makes it military in nature. Rather, it is what you know what is going to happen. If a comrade of Dzobar Tsarnaev had seen him plant a pressure cooker bomb under a subway platform, and decided to sit in the police office smiling and silently counting down the minutes, it wouldn’t matter what he said, or rather, didn’t say; only the intended outcome that he chose to have happen. The same is true if he had tweeted a command word or called a cell phone number to set off the bomb, or whispered the order into the ear of a subordinate. It’s the knowledge and intent of the action that matters.
I think Americans could likely make a strong case indeed that Inspire is staffed by people who really do in fact expect and welcome specific violent outcomes, and therefore that they are legitimate military targets. But the rhetoric of calling it “propaganda” and moving to ban it as intrinsically “wrong” for people to see is all fouled up. It muddies the waters and makes it far more difficult to uphold the cause of liberty in response to a comment like this.
FDNY 9/11 Survivor Witness and Whistleblower: Speaks on WTC 7 May 25, 2014
In this video Luke Rudkowski interviews FDNY member Rudy Dent who on the day of 9/11 was witness to the collapse of infamous World Trade Center 7. Rudy Dent – Vietnam War veteran, four year member of the NYPD and thirty-two year FDNY firefighter. As a firefighter on 9/11, he was at Ground Zero and was there when Building 7 came down. In this episode of 9/11 Free Fall, he relives his experience that day, recounting how he believes the buildings in New York were brought down in controlled demolitions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePPdUUISQOs&list=UUhwwoeOZ3EJPobW83dgQfAg
Excellent notice. Laws of physic do not change just because of the government’s laughable conspiracy theory.
http://www.ae911truth.org
If it can’t happen as alleged, then it didn’t.
The government’s laughable & impossible 9/11 conspiracy theory is what drives the US foreign policy.
– ‘9/11′ has been an immensely profitable scam for various players in the US and Israel.
– ‘9/11′ provides excuses for our disastrous & mass murdering foreign policy.
– ‘9/11′ provides excuses for the theft of our constitutional rights.
– ‘9/11′ provides excuses for the enormous increase of government power.
Who benefits?
THESE BASTARDS ARE CANCEROUS TUMORS WITHIN ISLAM!!!
These cancerous tumors must be removed. They are wreaking havoc on earth. The Muslim leaders need to get together, throw them out of Islam, and come up with a strategy to defeat them once and for all.
They are the ones that are harmful to Islam, not the cartoons.
“The Muslim leaders need to get together, throw them out of Islam, and come up with a strategy to defeat them once and for all.”
Indeed.
I doubt that moderate Muslim leaders have any influence over reactionary and fanatical Muslims, much less over the uneducated and jobless young men they recruit from the lower rungs of society they have been relegated to. Why must rational, non-militant Muslims with no means to persuade terror-mongers and their mules bear the responsibility for stopping these heavily armed sociopaths (whether natural-born or nurtured into it) from waging war on the West? To some extent, the Western powers provided a fertile soil for budding Jihadists, stirred up the hornet’s nest, provided them a common enemy. And in the case of the two wanna be rapper brothers who jumped at the chance to pick up AK47’s and reinvent themselves as the prophet’s avenging angels, didn’t the older one get caught trying to go to Syria to fight with France’s enemies? The French justice system released him from prison after a few years to go right back to his anti-social thug-terrorist life. A few years after he’d been freed, he was arrested again for suspicion of participating in a plot to spring a fellow sociopath responsible for the death of 30 people in a terrorist attack. But he wasn’t sentenced this time. Free as a bird again. Why was he not given a life sentence the first time around for his treasonous intent? Why the second time he popped up big-time on the radar was he not followed up on, his affiliations not pursued and hounded, his brother and other possible cohorts not investigated? The only thing moderate mainstream Muslims, the majority, have in common with such brain-washed gangsters is religion, one that 1.6 billion others also share. There is bound to be diversity in a population that large. French intelligence, the French courts need to get their act together. Special laws, special governmental powers might need to be put in place while there’s a threat to national security and resources allocated to identify specific groups and individuals posing a risk and to prevent them from acting. It is ridiculous to keep throwing the ball in the court of Muslim leaders who have zilch official authority and no power over violent terrorists who perceive them as not “real” Muslims.
I don’t know, I really don’t. Have you ever given some thought to the idea that Islam itself might be a cancer? It’s a mere question and I have no answer for it at the moment. Islam happens to be the only religion around ambiguous enough to allow some of its followers to read into its holy book that the slaughter of unbelievers is justified. True or false? Until such interpretation is formally rejected and banned by muslim leaders around the world, I’m afraid more bastards will continue to misinterpret the Q’ran. As a scientist, all I know is that ambiguity is a sign of failure in a system. So if the Q’ran is ambiguous, it must be a mistake. Anything else is pure theology and, as such, invalid for anyone with a sane brain. With all due respect, please enlighten me if you see a flaw in my reasoning.
Yes, I have, and I have studied extensively.
And no, Islam itself IS NOT a cancer, and there’s no such thing as “The Islam”. Rather, there are multiple Islams; that is, there are many interpretations of Islam in existence today, as they have existed since the Prophet’s (S) passing, only the number of Islams has grown since his (S) passing.
Islam is not a monolithic entity with the same set of beliefs, interpretations, which are based on certain methodologies and processes, and activities.
For example, the Islam of these evildoers — which seems to be offshoots of Puritanical Salafism (an entity that emerged when Wahhabism and Salafism integrated) — is not the same as the Islam of the Traditional Muslims, especially the Universalist Sufi Muslims.
There are in fact Islams that are very dangerous and their adherents are wreaking havoc on the planet. The Muslim leaders need to throw them outside the fold of Islam once and for all.
Most Islams are quite benign and their followers are quite peaceful and law-abiding.
There are also those Islams that focus on self knowledge and self development, and I consider them to be excellent. They are usually Sufi Islams.
No, the Qur’an is not ambiguous, neither is the traditional Islamic law on this matter.
http://www.fatwaonterrorism.com/
Thank you for that clear explanation. I had no idea Islam wasn’t a monolithic religion.
Let me rephrase that. I do know about the schism between Shia and Sunni muslims but thought until now it merely had to do with regional power struggles, i.e. more about politics than religion. Thanks again for enlightening me on that issue.
False. There are plenty of so-called Christians who believe that the Bible allows them to slaughter those they believe are not following their tenets of faith.
Indeed. If your faith can’t abide cartoons, methinks it’s sorely lacking.
Whom would you classify as Muslim leaders as of 2015?
So the attacks were truly retaliation for “blasphemy” of the Prophet. Then how do you negotiate with ideological psychopaths?
I can understand the anger from Western occupation of the Middle East, drone bombing of sovereign countries, etc.; Great recruiting tools for AQAP. But how do reason with ideological psychopaths? I don’t see how this ever ends.
” I don’t see how this ever ends. ”
It is not intended to end. Cycles only repeat; never end.
We could start by ceasing to anger Muslims by 1) Propping up their dictators 2) Occupying, bombing, their homelands against the will of their citizens 3) Stop supporting Israel as they brutalize and steal land from Palestinians. ( These reasons listed by 2004 DoD report commissioned by Donald Rumsfeld on why Muslims resent the US.)
I don’t understand why disparaging a putative prophet — peace be upon him (it is so stupid that they say this, when killing in his name, by the way) — is blasphemy. He’s just a man.
According to “The Saker” this is the final “cartoon” that was the tipping point:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40651.htm
Ok, I agree. That Hebdo cartoon was a dumb dare. A proportionate response from AQAP would be to publish their own cartoon calling Hebdo an idiot. But murdering 12 people over a cartoon is the response of psychopaths. Sorry, there is no other way to see it.
While I totally reject AQAP’s ideology of murdering innocents in the name of Allah, is it any less psychopatic to send drones to kill people and call innocent deaths colateral damage? Have these leaders conscience’s been seared so badly that they can simply dismiss innocent casualties by denying they even exist?
Do you know what collateral damage is? It’s people you DIDN’T INTEND TO KILL, or generally damage that is unintended or incidental to the intended outcome. Calling innocent deaths collateral damage is the opposite of denying that they exist.
Yes I agree. US Drone Program is as psychopatic as murder of the Hebdo journalists. The US should totally withdraw from the Middle East.
“Another article [in Inspire] gave detailed directions on how to download military-grade encryption software for sending e-mails and text messages.”
Where’d they get that idea, THE INTERCEPT? Or should I call you The Interspire?
If the Europeans don’t deport all Muslims….every last one… this will be a daily occurrence. Islam is incompatible with any other religion or culture. Let them live their stone aged lives in their own countries. The rest of the world should have nothing to do with them. Maybe in 10,000 years they will evolve to be able to live in
civilized societies… but their religion still is too primitive to allow them contact with the world outside their hellholes.
If the Europeans don’t deport all Muslims….every last one… this will be a daily occurrence. Islam is incompatible with any other religion or culture. Let them live their stone aged lives in their own countries. The rest of the world should have nothing to do with them. Maybe in 10,000 years they will evolve to be able to live in
civilized societies… but their religion still is too primitive to allow them contact with the world outside their hellholes.
Scahill, Greenwald and Hussain are all bad men who will pretend this has nothing to do with religion.
Really only one thing to do. We have to invade some more countries. We started out right the last time, beginning with the letter “A” for Afghanistan, but then we jumped to “I” Iraq. This time we need to fight this war properly. Algeria, then Burkino Faso, then Camaroon. If Camaroon has figured out our strategy we can do Canada, they are swimming in oil, obvious potential terrorists.
No, no. Alphabetical order means that, among others, Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Belize, Bolivia and Brazil come before Burkino Faso, although I suppose if the US has a base there that’ll do. It’s one way for Americans to learn geography. As for Canada, we already own that. Stephen Harper is our man there, he is a lumberjack and he’s okay.
I think we should stick with The Joint Chief Of Staff’s list from 2001 that was handed to Gen. Wesley Clark at The Pentagon:
“Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria and last Iran.” You can hear Wesley Clarke tell the story on “Democracy Now” on Youtube.
Wasn’t Awlaki the American Obama killed without a trial, thereby giving the ACLU conniptions? When is Obama going to obey due process?
I second, by looking at the root cause of this menace, but still there is no justification .
What’s the root cause of the massacre of Yazidis? What’s the root cause of attacks on cartoonists?
Why was he killed without a trial?
Going fast:
“ISIS fighters’ threats concerning potential attacks in Western countries serve perfectly the plan, which is to transfer the wars from borders to urban centers. Indeed, since a citizen of any Western country, attached to the ISIS or other extremist groups, is determined to die in a bloodbath at the heart of this country, the protection of borders has no meaning, and citizens start to wonder about the ability of the nation-state to protect them.”
http://bit.ly/1xommNZ
Sad . Eye for an eye results in blindness only .They are killing both Muslims and non Muslims . They have no religion .
So since they are dictating what the world should do, I guess we will do their bidding. Women get your long dresses ready and cover that bare face. Since the government cant protect our border, they will be able to do what they please.
Of course they have no religion. Islam is not a religion. It is a political organization, pure and simple. It calls itself a religion to make it more palatable to those who don’t subscribe to its goals and to protect it from being destroyed by those who appose it by claiming to be a peaceful group that wants nothing more than to pray to their god.
And then they slit your throat before moving on to their next target.
But wait, what about the second Serial interview??
Maybe The Intercept and Inspire should partner up? They have about the same effect on national security.