The Justice Department on Wednesday issued a press release trumpeting its latest success in disrupting a domestic terrorism plot, announcing that “the Joint Terrorism Task Force has arrested a Cincinnati-area man for a plot to attack the U.S. Capitol and kill government officials.” The alleged would-be terrorist is 20-year-old Christopher Cornell (above), who is unemployed, lives at home, spends most of his time playing video games in his bedroom, still addresses his mother as “Mommy” and regards his cat as his best friend; he was described as “a typical student” and “quiet but not overly reserved” by the principal of the local high school he graduated in 2012.
The affidavit filed by an FBI investigative agent alleges Cornell had “posted comments and information supportive of [ISIS] through Twitter accounts.” The FBI learned about Cornell from an unnamed informant who, as the FBI put it, “began cooperating with the FBI in order to obtain favorable treatment with respect to his criminal exposure on an unrelated case.” Acting under the FBI’s direction, the informant arranged two in-person meetings with Cornell where they allegedly discussed an attack on the Capitol, and the FBI says it arrested Cornell to prevent him from carrying out the attack.
Family members say Cornell converted to Islam just six months ago and claimed he began attending a small local mosque. Yet The Cincinnati Enquirer could not find a single person at that mosque who had ever seen him before, and noted that a young, white, recent convert would have been quite conspicuous at a mosque largely populated by “immigrants from West Africa,” many of whom “speak little or no English.”
The DOJ’s press release predictably generated an avalanche of scary media headlines hailing the FBI. CNN: “FBI says plot to attack U.S. Capitol was ready to go.” MSNBC: “US terror plot foiled by FBI arrest of Ohio man.” Wall St. Journal: “Ohio Man Charged With Plotting ISIS-Inspired Attack on U.S. Capitol.”
Just as predictably, political officials instantly exploited the news to justify their powers of domestic surveillance. House Speaker John Boehner claimed yesterday that “the National Security Agency’s snooping powers helped stop a plot to attack the Capitol and that his colleagues need to keep that in mind as they debate whether to renew the law that allows the government to collect bulk information from its citizens.” He warned: “We live in a dangerous country, and we get reminded every week of the dangers that are out there.”
The known facts from this latest case seem to fit well within a now-familiar FBI pattern whereby the agency does not disrupt planned domestic terror attacks but rather creates them, then publicly praises itself for stopping its own plots.
First, they target a Muslim: not due to any evidence of intent or capability to engage in terrorism, but rather for the “radical” political views he expresses. In most cases, the Muslim targeted by the FBI is a very young (late teens, early 20s), adrift, unemployed loner who has shown no signs of mastering basic life functions, let alone carrying out a serious terror attack, and has no known involvement with actual terrorist groups.
They then find another Muslim who is highly motivated to help disrupt a “terror plot”: either because they’re being paid substantial sums of money by the FBI or because (as appears to be the case here) they are charged with some unrelated crime and are desperate to please the FBI in exchange for leniency (or both). The FBI then gives the informant a detailed attack plan, and sometimes even the money and other instruments to carry it out, and the informant then shares all of that with the target. Typically, the informant also induces, lures, cajoles, and persuades the target to agree to carry out the FBI-designed plot. In some instances where the target refuses to go along, they have their informant offer huge cash inducements to the impoverished target.
Once they finally get the target to agree, the FBI swoops in at the last minute, arrests the target, issues a press release praising themselves for disrupting a dangerous attack (which it conceived of, funded, and recruited the operatives for), and the DOJ and federal judges send their target to prison for years or even decades (where they are kept in special GITMO-like units). Subservient U.S. courts uphold the charges by applying such a broad and permissive interpretation of “entrapment” that it could almost never be successfully invoked. As AP noted last night, “defense arguments have repeatedly failed with judges, and the stings have led to many convictions.”
Consider the truly remarkable (yet not aberrational) 2011 prosecution of James Cromitie, an impoverished African-American Muslim convert who had expressed anti-Semitic views but, at the age of 45, had never evinced any inclination to participate in a violent attack. For eight months, the FBI used an informant – one who was on the hook for another crime and whom the FBI was paying – to try to persuade Cromitie to agree to join a terror plot which the FBI had concocted. And for eight months, he adamantly refused. Only when they dangled a payment of $250,000 in front of him right as he lost his job did he finally assent, causing the FBI to arrest him. The DOJ trumpeted the case as a major terrorism arrest, obtained a prosecution and sent him to prison for 25 years.
The federal judge presiding over his case, Colleen McMahon, repeatedly lambasted the government for wholly manufacturing the plot. When sentencing him to decades in prison, she said Cromitie “was incapable of committing an act of terrorism on his own,” and that it was the FBI which “created acts of terrorism out of his fantasies of bravado and bigotry, and then made those fantasies come true.” She added: “only the government could have made a terrorist out of Mr. Cromitie, whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in scope.”
In her written ruling upholding the conviction, Judge McMahon noted that Cromitie “had successfully resisted going too far for eight months,” and agreed only after “the Government dangled what had to be almost irresistible temptation in front of an impoverished man from what I have come (after literally dozens of cases) to view as the saddest and most dysfunctional community in the Southern District of New York.” It was the FBI’s own informant, she wrote, who “was the prime mover and instigator of all the criminal activity that occurred.” She then wrote (emphasis added):
As it turns out, the Government did absolutely everything that the defense predicted in its previous motion to dismiss the indictment. The Government indisputably “manufactured” the crimes of which defendants stand convicted. The Government invented all of the details of the scheme – many of them, such as the trip to Connecticut and the inclusion of Stewart AFB as a target, for specific legal purposes of which the defendants could not possibly have been aware (the former gave rise to federal jurisdiction and the latter mandated a twenty-five year minimum sentence). The Government selected the targets. The Government designed and built the phony ordnance that the defendants planted (or planned to plant) at Government-selected targets. The Government provided every item used in the plot: cameras, cell phones, cars, maps and even a gun. The Government did all the driving (as none of the defendants had a car or a driver’s license). The Government funded the entire project. And the Government, through its agent, offered the defendants large sums of money, contingent on their participation in the heinous scheme.
Additionally, before deciding that the defendants (particularly Cromitie, who was in their sights for nine months) presented any real danger, the Government appears to have done minimal due diligence, relying instead on reports from its Confidential Informant, who passed on information about Cromitie information that could easily have been verified (or not verified, since much of it was untrue), but that no one thought it necessary to check before offering a jihadist opportunity to a man who had no contact with any extremist groups and no history of anything other than drug crimes.
On another occasion, Judge McMahon wrote: “There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that James Cromitie could never have dreamed up the scenario in which he actually became involved. And if by some chance he had, he would not have had the slightest idea how to make it happen.” She added that while “Cromitie, who was desperately poor, accepted meals and rent money from [the informant], he repeatedly backed away from his violent statements when it came time to act on them,” and that “only when the offers became outrageously high–and when Cromitie was particularly vulnerable to them, because he had lost his job–did he finally succumb.”
This is pre-emptory prosecution: targeting citizens not for their criminal behavior but for their political views. It’s an attempt by the U.S. Government to anticipate who will become a criminal at some point in the future based on their expressed political opinions – not unlike the dystopian premise of Minority Report – and then exploiting the FBI’s vast financial, organizational, and even psychological resources, along with the individuals’ vulnerabilities, to make it happen.
In 2005, federal appellate judge A. Wallace Tashima – the first Japanese-American appointed to the federal bench, who was imprisoned in an U.S. internment camp – vehemently dissented from one of the worst such prosecutions and condemned these FBI cases as “the unsettling and untoward consequences of the government’s use of anticipatory prosecution as a weapon in the ‘war on terrorism.'”
There are countless similar cases where the FBI triumphantly disrupts its own plots, causing people to be imprisoned as terrorists who would not and could not have acted on their own. Trevor Aaronson has comprehensively covered what amounts to the FBI’s own domestic terror network, and has reported that “nearly half [of all DOJ terrorism] prosecutions involved the use of informants, many of them incentivized by money (operatives can be paid as much as $100,000 per assignment) or the need to work off criminal or immigration violation.” He documents “49 [terrorism] defendants [who] participated in plots led by an agent provocateur—an FBI operative instigating terrorist action.” In 2012, Petra Bartosiewicz in The Nation reviewed the post-9/11 body of terrorism cases and concluded:
Nearly every major post-9/11 terrorism-related prosecution has involved a sting operation, at the center of which is a government informant. In these cases, the informants — who work for money or are seeking leniency on criminal charges of their own — have crossed the line from merely observing potential criminal behavior to encouraging and assisting people to participate in plots that are largely scripted by the FBI itself. Under the FBI’s guiding hand, the informants provide the weapons, suggest the targets and even initiate the inflammatory political rhetoric that later elevates the charges to the level of terrorism.
The U.S. Government has been aggressively pressuring its allies to adopt the same “sting” tactics against their own Muslim citizens (and like most War on Terror abuses, this practice is now fully seeping into non-terrorism domestic law: in a drug smuggling prosecution last year, a federal judge condemned the Drug Enforcement Agency for luring someone into smuggling cocaine, saying that “the government’s investigation deployed techniques that generated a wholly new crime for the sake of pressing criminal charges against” the defendant).
Many of the key facts in this latest case are still unknown, but there are ample reasons to treat this case with substantial skepticism. Though he had brushes with the law as a minor arguably indicative of anger issues, the 20-year-old Cornell had no history of engaging in politically-motivated violence (he disrupted a local 9/11 memorial ceremony last year by yelling a 9/11 Truth slogan, but was not arrested). There is no evidence he had any contact with any overseas or domestic terrorist operatives (the informant vaguely claims that Cornell claims he “had been in contact with persons overseas” but ultimately told the informant that “he did not think he would receive specific authorization to conduct a terrorist attack in the United States”).
Cornell’s father accused the FBI of responsibility for the plot, saying of his son: “He’s a mommy’s boy. His best friend is his cat Mikey. He still calls his mother ‘Mommy.'” His father said that “he might be 20, but he was more like a 16-year-old kid who never left the house.” He added that his son had only $1,200 in his bank account, and that the money to purchase guns could only have come from the FBI. It was the FBI, he said, who were “taking him somewhere, and they were filling his head with a lot of this garbage.”
The mosque with which Cornell was supposedly associated is itself tiny, a non-profit that reported a meager $115,000 in revenue last year. It has no history of producing terrorism suspects or violent radicals.
Whatever else is true, a huge dose of scrutiny and skepticism should be applied to the FBI’s claims. Media organizations certainly should not be trumpeting this as some dangerous terror plot from which the FBI heroically saved us all, nor telling their viewers that the FBI “uncovered” a plot that it actually created, nor trying to depict it (as MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki did in the pictured segment) as part of some larger plot of international terror groups, at least not without further evidence (and, just by the way, Mr. Kornacki: Anwar Awlaki was not “the leader of Al Qaeda in Yemen,” no matter how much repeating that false claim might help President Obama, who ordered that U.S. citizen killed with no due process). Nor should politicians like John Boehner be permitted without challenge to claim that this scary plot shows how crucial is the Patriot Act and the NSA domestic spying program in keeping us safe.Having crazed loners get guns and seek to shoot people is, of course, a threat. But so is allowing the FBI to manufacture terror plots: in the process keeping fear levels about terrorism completely inflated, along with its own surveillance powers and budget. Ohio is a major recipient of homeland security spending: it “has four fusion centers, more than any other state except California, New York and Texas. Ohio also ranks fourth in the nation (tying New York) with four FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs).”
Something has to be done to justify all that terrorism spending. For all those law enforcement agents with little to do, why not sit around and manufacture plots to justify those expenditures, giving a boost to their pro-surveillance ideology to boot? Media outlets have a responsibility to investigate the FBI’s claims, not mindlessly repeat them while parading their alarmed faces and scary graphics.
Photo: Associated Press
The Ottawa and Sydney shootings also fit this pattern perfectly. Wake up 5 Eyes countries, you’ve been snookered!
It’d be interesting to see an in depth report about the FBI’s budget allocation. See how much of their money goes to hunting down potential terrorist. See how much money they would be getting for manufacturing these terror plots.
You know what my long time government agent father told me after seeing “12 Years a Slave”…”when you are in an impossible situation, you keep you’re mouth shut, if you want to stay alive”. OR you keep talking, until they are forced to kill you. I would rather die standing than live on my knees.
I don’t believe I’ll live. I’ve made it clear I don’t want those murderous bastards from the FDNY at my funeral playing their bagpipes. I’ve been terrorized by FDNY for 2 1/2 years, to a lesser extent by the NYPD (which appears to be more an issue of corruption, which has decreased under Bratton). I have family in the FDNY going back to the 1800’s, don’t you dare play bagpipes at my funeral.
What, the actual, fuck….
It seems to make perfect sense to have a law that if the gov’t has to provide the MEANS for a crime then the target can’t be arrested. If there is no way for someone to commit a crime- then they can’t commit it. If they are going to commit it- THEY have to find the means. Or it won’t happen.
This seems so obvious.
Because of the current state of the stolen technology usg has, even down to his twitter posts you can’t trust one single thing they say about him.
In a case like this where he was the subject of this brand of unscrupulous surveillance, even if they had the most concrete looking proof imaginable, like hours of video footage or phone calls, piles of character witnesses, I personally from experience would not believe one single thing they have at all. It would be very difficult for the public to understand the methods they use to make it look like someone is doing absolutely whatever they want it to look like.
There’s likely many things that he himself wouldn’t know about that he could even think he’s guilty of.
What the Inveigle?!
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You cut that off neatly to put it out of context. I was referring to a potential anti-terror measure where, expecting future attacks, someone might have set up a plan to demolish the buildings in a controlled way before they would collapse randomly and destroy a vast surrounding area. This would still be intended OVERALL to save lives and reduce the overall damage. We should never forget that many of those in the security establishment think of themselves as making tough calls (like shooting down flight 93, I suspect) with the best intent. What such honest spooks forget is that ordinary people are infuriated to be taken out of the loop, while their most corrupt colleagues are sure to prevail over them sooner or later.
‘Buzzing the Cuckoo’s Nest..’
Apologies for taking your sentiments out of context. You must be looking for ‘Looneyville Anonymous’. If I’m not mistaken, they meet every Tuesday on the fourth floor. You can ask the kind gentleman at the reception desk for the actual room number.
Be safe..
Well, that’s what you get for arguing with a troll. You say “well, I might believe you only if…” and then they make fun of you for believing that much.
Correction: I meant “forcing” down 93, probably by aerodynamic means.
Can they get a lower rez pic of this guy? Jesus! Does he really exist or did they just un-age enhance a google image of Gandolf?
The videogame publishers should put out a “Create a Terrorist” game. The player gets arrested for drugs or auto theft and gets an opportunity to groom some gormless kid into a terror plot.
It would be a great game.
In the multiplayer game the target reports his informer to the local cops and the agent provocateur gets busted.
My theory is that the subliminal messaging “delivery system” IS the first person shooter video games. In the case of almost every mass shooting, a man in his 20’s or 30’s was spending a lot of time playing these video games, which connect online leaving them vulnerable to hacking. In one instance, a young man stopped by his best friend’s house on his way to the mall (where thankfully he only managed to shoot a few people) and said in a daze “I don’t want to do this”. This is why I have repeatedly urged people to stay away from these games until more is known. I am in no way stating that the FBI is involved, once again my theory is that it is another group.
It’s just a theory, I can’t prove causality, just coincidence. However I can prove that films/ television shows and even one of my own films that I directed were hacked. So I have some idea of what is possible.
For example Lt. William Fitzgerald who interviewed Mr. Aaron Alexis, is also William Fitzgerald IT Operations 9/16/13 LIRR Babylon Line.
As I have stated previously, I always fire a warning shot.
Dude, lay off the comment section and get back on your meds, stat!
Sir, I hate to say it, but you sound like you might be off your rocker. Having read your other statements, you seem to be quite paranoid. Maybe you have a good reason to be paranoid, but it doesn’t sound like you are taking the time to collect and appraise solid evidence. I suggest 2 chill pills and a bottle of milk.
For a theory to exist there has to be tested evidence that leads to a predictable outcome. If “1st person shooter video games lead the players to commit real-life violence” is your theory, then a demonstrably large segment of those games’ players would out on the streets murdering people, which is simply not the case.
These stings not only incapacitate people who are reading to go along with actual terrorists, but they also deter others from joining plots. Ask yourself, could an undercover inveigle you into a terror plot? The fact that those targeted by the FBI are weaklings makes them all the more dangerous, because they are plenty of folks out there who are looking to mount operations. True, about 1/10 of 1% of Americans are against this type of law enforcement, but you can’t satisfy everybody.
“These stings not only incapacitate people who are reading (sic) to go along with actual terrorists, but they also deter others from joining plots” – Roger Lodger
First, these aren’t “stings,” they are entrapment. Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence that “these people” were “ready to go along with terrorists” nor any evidence whatsoever to show deterrence even though you misspellingly assert that “they (sic) are plenty of folks out there who are looking to mount operations.” After all, just ask yourself, could an undercover inveigle you into a terror plot?
Sillyputty, I’ll bet you a dinner at **** restaurant of your choice you don’t know what entrapment is. But you can correct spelling. Guess that graduate degree did not go to waste. The rest of your comment is incoherent and I’m not going to guess what you meant.
“Entrapment, meanwhile, is when law enforcement induces a person or group to commit a crime that they would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.”
That’s pretty straightforward. Here’s a good article on this:
https://news.vice.com/article/the-line-between-fbi-stings-and-entrapment-has-not-blurred-its-gone
The rest of my comment likely was incoherent because it was using your own “arguments” against themselves.
What time’s dinner?
Says the legal genius who swore up and down that suspects have a right to appear before a grand jury at their demand.
Entrapment of the “weak,” as you put it, means the cops can go around committing “random virtue tests” to see who they can inveigled into committing a crime. That means the state is creating criminals many or most of whom would not be, but for the state itself.
Of course an authoritarian like you (who is also an ignoramus) thinks this is all just swell.
Yes, “random virtue tests” are the strongest argument against stings. When it comes to would-be terrorists, I’m in favor of such tests. Could the FBI talk you into terrorism?
I’m not a lawyer, but it’s not at all clear to me why people are up in arms over this being ‘entrapment’ as opposed to, say, an undercover officer posing as a prostitute and arresting would-be johns, or as someone willing to sell a shipment of drugs, or as someone selling child pornography. It’s my understanding that all of those things are relatively accepted practices. Maybe not practices that people with more libertarian leanings approve of, but in our democratic system, considered legally above board.
Maybe I’m dense and I’m just not getting it, but to me the argument here boils down to “but these guys dressed up as really really sexy prostitutes that no man could resist, so that’s entrapment by the “hot-red-head-who-hints-at-kink”-clause. Granted, there is a tipping point where you are coercing someone to commit a crime, and I agree that should never be crossed. I think it’s self-evident we don’t want ‘virtue tests’ (like that phrase) of the sort where we wish to make sure, for example, that citizens could resist a prostitute even under threat of death at gunpoint or something. But there is a huge line between presenting an opportunity and coercing.
– Mona
I’m not a lawyer either, however as I understand it, the “but for” rule is considered heavily when determining the proximate cause of an incident:
So in these cases, “but for” the governments involvement, the crime would likely not have occurred at all.
In other words, the degree of the governments inducements, weighed against the propensity for the individual to act alone determines ‘who done it,” or who is held legally accountable.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/%22But+for%22+Rule
A closer analogy would be the undercover officer offering to pay the would-be john $250,000 and then if they accepted, arresting them for prostitution.
Sillyputty – how does that not apply to a prostitution, drug, or child porn sting? Couldn’t anyone say “I never would have bought those drugs if the guy hadn’t offered!”?
Benito, now you’re just being silly.
@Nic
The article states “Only when they dangled a payment of $250,000 in front of him right as he lost his job did he finally assent”.
This directly relates to the quality of suspect that is netted by such sting operations – i.e. they only snare those who can’t figure out they are the patsy.
It’s my understanding the entrapment can only be claimed if the defendant had no “predisposition” to commit the crime, and many people through many appeals were apparently quite convinced that Cromitie displayed plenty of predisposition. That said, democratic conversation on the current law is of course important, and relies on a free press / freedom of speech. The Cromitie case was found not to be entrapment, but it also got a great deal of attention from the media, so that if people don’t think the security vs. freedom balance there is appropriate they can talk about changing the law.
“Couldn’t anyone say: “I never would have bought those drugs if the guy hadn’t offered!”?
Sure, but as I understand it, intent and early and active solicitation by the suspect is the burden to be met here in proving or disproving entrapment. In your example of prostitutes and drugs, had they been actively searching for either, not just offered either, that would show intent and actively seeking to do the act – no coercion is needed in a lawful sting.
Sillputty – So far as I know, there is not a standard in undercover law that says “You can arrest people for soliciting a prostitute, but only if they approach you, not if you call out ‘Hey, wanna date?'” I could be wrong on that so feel free to correct me. Most of my legal knowledge admittedly comes from old episodes of Law and Order.
The best answer off the top of my head is that intent and early and active solicitation (not being asked, per se, but actively available for that specific act).
1) The thought of acting has to be already in your head (intent).
2) The pursuit of the act has to be un-coerced by law enforcement.
Coerce:
1. To pressure, intimidate, or force (someone) into doing something.
2. To bring about or gain by pressure, threat, or force: coerced agreement among the parties; coerced a confession from the suspect.
Maybe Mona, coram, or another more versed than I can shed more light on this.
Civil liberties are a distraction. If a tactic works, nobody will be worried about theoretical abstractions.
My issue is with the quality of terrorist that is being created by the FBI. Only the most dimwitted targets will fail to realize that an offer of $250,000 in cash is likely to be a sting operation. As the terrorists become a public laughingstock, the GWOT becomes a lower priority, and there is a risk of funds being diverted to education or medical care.
So the FBI should put an ad on their website, soliciting terrorists who are willing to plant bombs for free. This will recruit terrorists who are more highly motivated (although perhaps not any more intelligent), and therefore more marketable to the general public.
You can’t have a good war without a worthy opponent.
Sillyputty – Yes, but that does not rule out law enforcement proactively approaching another party (for example, pretending to be a fellow drug user) in order to assess this intent. I looked up a bit about it online, while it’s a huge topic and I’m sure I barely scratched the surface, it’s quite interesting. Sounds as if it’s been getting much more attention in recent years with the growth of the internet.
Again, I am all for people participating in democracies and lobbying to change laws so that they represent the will of the citizens. But that is an entirely different thing than saying such laws are currently being violated.
Benito – You are such a cynic. You need a good Italian red wine to get back in touch with your Mediterranean frivolity.
This is part of what’s wrong with criminalizing adult consensual behavior — there is no victim to act as complaining witness, and so the cops “need to” resort to such tactics with great frequency, which in turn become acceptable to the public.
But even there, there is an enormous difference between tarting up a police woman to strut her stuff with the other sex workers in some Red Light District on the one hand (the johns are going to pick a woman there, and purely by bad luck choose the one who is a cop), and on the other, sending fake “jihadists” into mosques to lure young Muslims males into actions they wouldn’t commit but for the solicitations of the undercover. (Mosques are not red light districts teeming with crime.)
Mona – My stance still is, you can say you don’t like the current laws, and think they should be changed or additional guidelines should be added. But given the legal precedents that are currently out there, I don’t think you can say some kind of “terrorism exception” is being made here. For example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-newman/undercover-police-school-drug-arrests_b_4440912.html
No one has claimed there exists a “terrorism exception.” There does, however, exist a greater difficulty for Muslims to successfully plead entrapment. There also exists a monumental scam in which the FBI repeatedly gets to tout its breaking up terrorist plots — that they concocted themselves.
That is heinous, and a perfect illustration of how the “war on terror” was precursor for the next great war on an abstract noun (and on civil liberties), the one on “terror.” It has been said, only three things are necessary to cause an appellate court to uphold virtually any police behavior, and those three things are: 1. drugs, 2. drugs, and 3. drugs.
There are now a 4th, 5th and 6th things that cause judges to scuttle the Bill of Rights: Muslims accused of terrorism.
AAARGH. When I wrote ‘Illustration of how the “war on terror”’ I meant “war on DRUGS.”
I know you’ll disagree, but to me that’s just a word game – again, like saying undercover cops arrested johns “that they concocted themselves”.
I will leave it at that, though, because at the moment I am distracted by the fact that Glenn Greenwald has apparently fallen in a hole. Shouldn’t he have minders to guard against that sort of thing?
EXACTLY the same, only…different! As noted before, the tarted up policewoman struts her wares w/ the other working ladies down on Colfax & 10th; the well known sex worker area. Any john unlucky enough to nab the cop isn’t “entrapped,” because he was there looking for a female sex worker, and would have picked one up whether or notthe cop was there.
By contrast, mosques are not known as crime areas; they are not Colfax & 10th. Govt agents infiltrating them to see whose brother needs $250k for an organ transplant and concocting a terror plot to offer the guy (with $250k) whose brother needs the transplant, is to CREATE a criminal who would not exist, but for the state.
As for Glenn, he’s tending to personal business.
You’re certainly welcome to your opinion. I can’t concentrate on philosophical abstractions with Glenn missing.
HAHAHAHAHA
We’re not talking philosophical abstractions, and I assure you, Glenn is not “missing.” No milk cartons will bear his visage. So I do hope your cognitive abilities resume unimpaired.
Missing is a relative term. He’s not where I can find him on Twitter, so he’s missing to me. I think someone should sent out rescue dogs, personally.
“mosques are not known as crime areas…Govt agents infiltrating them…to CREATE a criminal who would not exist, but for the state.” – Mona
Thank you very much. And then there’s this:
“I can’t concentrate on philosophical abstractions with Glenn missing.” – Nic
There gotta’ be a quote for this…
“Why is it I am imagining a moth, trapped in a jar, held up to the torchlight, awaiting release?” – Voltaire*
*As Seen On TV
Roger, any person can be snared like that if you have some background info on them and that skill. Any person. No exceptions. If you give me the task of entrapping the FBI agents who entrap those guys, I could snare every single one of them, 100% of them, on felonies that would solidly hold up in court.
It’s like a kids’ playground game but with the most malicious kids in charge.
In East Germany when three people sat down to plot two of them were fools and the third was an informant. Perhaps this would be more to your liking?
oh really? please cite the source for your statistics. otherwise it’s just “glass and gypsy curses.”
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/koehler-stasi.html
If you count occasional informers
At first when they illegally charged me they insinuated the guy selling the gun was an unknowing citizen, after a day or two he became ‘a citizen they had called who agreed to participate, after a while when they decided they were probably going with a standard charge and not a terror case the guy became ‘an employed agent doing his job’…
The fbi agent that supposedly filed the charges who appeared under oath in court every time claimed that he spoke to me personally a couple months before the incident and that the investigation was initiated at the point of that encounter. Only one problem… I’ve never seen him before in my life. The guy who I spoke with had the same hair color and height, that’s where the similarities ended, a completely different person. They seemed to substitute an r1b for a non-r1b token. They give me a token Asian prosecutor(as if they didn’t have to murder nearly every single one in the western hemisphere first) and a black token terror expert who made it extremely clear that Islam itself was completely illegal.
-I’m proud to say I was actually very impressed by apparently how hard it was for them to find an African American token to do that job, his motives were so vulgar they seemed to be embarrassed by him and want to shut him up at times. It’s happened many times to me and it’s very noticeable how many African americans turn down those positions because the one’s they’re forced to use are usually selected out of desperation and it’s very evident. I may even credit one with saving my life one time when he rejected it in process.
The Mossad running the CIA/FBI and Prison INC. are creating a terrorist state across this nation. They are torturing families stealing their kids with Medical Kidnap on the state levels with AZ topping the list with 23 kids a day. US has been at WW for over 60yrs. with mass murderers killing US with infectious vaccines they KNEW in 1981 were all infectious after discovering the real cause of AIDS in ALL Syndromes, Psych, and Cancers.
In fact US went from Barney Fife to boasting the worlds largest incarcerated citizens NOT because you American’s are sooo BAD, but because brain infected Zombies the CDC jokes about don’t even know what they are doing. And the addicts they created on purpose refusing to treat the real cause!
NOW they even want to make drug testing for FOOD knowing 95% of the pops that do drugs would not do them if the did not have their death wares residing in their neuron’s.
Cellular prion protein (PrPC) modulates ethanol-induced behavioral adaptive changes in mice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24975422
And they NOW make you go to the Dr. EVERY MONTH for a new Pain Med prescription KNOWING you wouldn’t need pain meds if you didn’t have infections in your neuron’s. And if you cannot comply for whatever reason you can suffer till you die or Profit Prison INC. till you die.
Either Way their mass murdering lies have you American’s. They knew the whole time what was causing your millions of Autism kids to suffer and did nothing to save them.
The REAL TERRORIST’s of this nation is your Duel Israeli Congress and the 30K Mossad running this nation in the dirt.
http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5147&start=20
I’ll weigh in on this, even though I shouldn’t. There should be a distinction between all of the Jewish people worldwide and a group of right wing nuts, who appear to be appear connected with the United States right wing nuts. What does that have to do with any Jewish person in the world who is just going about their day, trying to feed their families, have a productive life, be a good citizen…absolutely nothing. Because Jewish people worldwide (and in the United States) have done absolutely nothing, except go about their day, as we all do. Now if they have committed a crime, it’s a crime of omission, by not condemning or calling out the extremist elements in their religion. Every religion has extremists, Catholics, Muslims, Protestants…those extremists are always a minority.
Now for example, I have been targeted by a religious charity that reports directly to Benjamin Netanyahu. I consider him a right wing nut, aligned with American right wing nuts and billionaires who have a very specific agenda. I still will not blame under any circumstances, Jewish people in America or worldwide for the behavior of someone in a foreign country, who I think should have been gone from power a long time ago. It’s scapegoating and divide and conquer…and everyone should be smarter than to fall for this bullshit.
I’ll weigh in on this, even though I shouldn’t. Based on your valiant defense of jews, it’s obvious that you will rise to the occasion & defend all Muslims when someone makes a generalization about them as well and remind the offending party that not all Muslims are bad, only those who commit violence & crimes and are associated with entities that engage in such behavior, etc. etc.
I don’t believe any of this stuff. The authorities are guilty til proven innocent, and they would certainly benefit from concocting fake plots in order to gain more power by taking away civil liberties. I’m not saying that fanatics or even radicals with a good cause don’t plot to blow things up occasionally, but when these supposed plots are “foiled,” they always turn out to be police entrapment where the cops convinced people to do something and even provided resources and/or fake resources to do it.
True. the powers that be have a major credibility problem. Every so-called terrorist plot foiled always turns out to be a fraud.
The bad part is not that there are people in the FBI who do stuff like that, the bad part is that out of the thousands of FBI agents in America there is not one, not a single one, who is willing to step forward and publicly denounce practices like that.
How can any agency or organization manage to draw together such a large number of people without at least one of them having some integrity?
This is a fairly recent phenomenon, give it time. When the culprits start to retire (and have their pension & other benefits safely secured), then, they’ll find the testicular fortitude to speak about it, even write books on the subject. Americans are good and brave that way, particularly, public servants with pensions to lose.
Couldn’t them send a social worker instead?
Allow me to infuse an important piece of information. First though, I would like to point out that for the longest time I am convinced that ‘Eff Bee I’ means ‘Federal Bureau of Instigation’. With its partner in crime the ‘Enn Ess A’, they are creating a world (not just one society) of deceit and manipulation. Together, they can pull of anything that furthers the iron grip on Western Nations, of which some are already resembling the ‘Little Brothers’ of The Biggest Brother. The full scope of what is heading our way cannot be underestimated. More folks like Christopher Cornell will be available to be blackmailed/coerced through incessant monitoring of social networks like Farcebook et al and of course through access to computers world wide – online and offline.
It irks me to know that ‘redress’ seems to be a feat of the long gone past – if there ever was one. Please bear in mind that the following article falls short of the actual possibilities for sabotage of running NPP’s globally.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-of-nsa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html
nottheonly1 –
Thanks for posting that link. I hadn’t seen anything about these revelations and they are indeed troubling. Snowden is right – we need some new standards of behavior. And some oversight with real bite!
yes.
http://rt.com/news/177716-us-israel-funding-aggression/
This refers to a new Greenwald article but it doesn’t appear here.
The document https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/08/03/nsa-intelligence-relationship-israel
The Intercept story: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/04/cash-weapons-surveillance/
Things can happen more often than once in a life time.
When it does talking heads will say
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Water dissolving…and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Under the water, carry the water at the bottom of the ocean
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean
“the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was carried out by the US government.[9]”
“the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing was a result of FBI agent provocateurs.[13]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Gunderson
snip
Post-FBI
After retiring from the FBI, Gunderson set up a private investigation firm, Ted L. Gunderson and Associates, in Santa Monica. In 1980, he became a defense investigator for Green Beret Doctor Jeffrey R. MacDonald, who had been convicted of the 1970 murders of his pregnant wife and two daughters. Gunderson obtained affidavits from Helena Stoeckley confessing to her involvement in the murders.[8]
He also investigated a child molestation trial in Manhattan Beach California. In a 1995 conference in Dallas, Gunderson warned about the supposed proliferation of secret Satanic groups, and the danger posed by the New World Order, an alleged shadow government that would be controlling the US government.[9] He also claimed that a “slave auction” in which children were sold to men in turbans had been held in Las Vegas, that four thousand ritual human sacrifices are performed in New York City every year, and that the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was carried out by the US government.[9] Gunderson believed that in the US there is a secret widespread network of groups who kidnap children and infants, and subject them to Satanic ritual abuse and subsequent human sacrifice.[10][11]
Gunderson had an association with Anthony J. Hilder. Hilder was interviewed by him on various occasions, and the two men appeared at numerous conferences together.[12] They both said that the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing was a result of FBI agent provocateurs.[13]
snip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BplUD6kQYuU
Retired HEAD OF FBI Tells ALL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUieCsFtx20
Conspiracy Of Silence Banned Discovery Channel Documentary
Emad Salem comes to mind.
Yes Anon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Salem
Emad A. Salem is an FBI informant, who was a key witness in the trial of Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah, convicted in the World Trade Center Bombing of February 26, 1993.
After the bombing, Salem stated that the FBI knew about the bombing plot, and agreed to foil it by supplying fake explosives to him. Salem taped his telephone conversations with FBI agents. Those tapes were provided to defense lawyers, although they were not used in the trial. In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI’s New York Office, denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks.
9 11 is easily the most observable indictment of an inside job.
That Greenwald takes the 9 11 commmision as fact is his everlasting shame.
Glenn why did building seven fall at free fall?
The commission did not even address building seven but that was the most observable fact that other forces were used to construct a false narrative.
You say you take the commission findings as fact.
You are a fool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOb92R34jxo
New 911 Truth Video Can Not Be Debunked
“That Greenwald takes the 9 11 commmision as fact is his everlasting shame. – tombrowns’ schooleddaze’
I think Glenn’s addressed this in the same manner that I’ve come to: It’s the best available evidence thus far, and no website or other report anywhere has offered anything to effectively refute it. So, shame on me, at least, but if the facts or evidence changes then so shall I.
“9/11 truthers” are truly the bottom of the barrel of all dissidents. Sometimes I even wonder if some brand of spooks puts this stuff out just to drown out more plausible questions about whether Bush might have paid or otherwise encouraged bin Laden. It just defies Occam’s Razor to fly planes into a building and blow it up. The only plausible version I could believe would be if there were charges pre-set in the buildings to take them down neatly and keep them from falling over sideways and setting off a chain of dominoes like I thought they would before that day, and whoever hit the button doesn’t want to admit he made the call that killed all those cops and firefighters. (I think if they’d treat the common people as adults they’d think in a more adult way)
Here is another example of the FBI “solving” a case by accusing someone who is incapable of defending themself, and then custom arranging evidence. Google Esar Met Confession, and watch the FBI at work.
From Paris With Love, never really like that film.
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Off Topic. I read most of TI articles and they can be somewhat depressing. However, whenever I get down after perusing these pages, I will revisit the following YouTube video of a young lass vying for American Idol who says one of the funniest phrases I have every heard in 65+ years. I think you might also like her song and accompaniment with her “squeeze box”.
For a good laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUE7tJL5smU
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On topic:
FOUR LIONS [Red Band Clip] – “Bomb Warehouse”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyQbdD-IgME
Laughing is healthy!
FOUR LIONS [Deleted Scene] – “Jihadi Video”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO3gvv3lFGM
THE FOUR LIONS Film Screening: Q&A With Director Christopher Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaRHjLyKeQ
please watch at 23:46 (Film Screening: Q&A With Director Christopher Morris)
In meeting with an ex member of CIA Chris Morris states that the he was asked by him:
“Who do you think the head of Al-Qaeda is in the united States”
“Blimey what is he going to say”
“it’s the FBI”
“so I had a look on my face which is the sort of look you have on your face when confronted by a conspiracy theorist…. And he said no no no no their (FBI’s) method is (well the cartoon method is) that they drive around town with a truck load of weapons looking for the maddest cross eyed bearded loon they can see and say: Oi mate do you want some guns to perpetrate some evil on the united states”
It’s only a matter of time before the FBI uses real explosives for some reason and their groomed terrorist sets off the blast before the agents can move in and save the day. I really believe this will happen some day if for no other reason than knowing instinctively–as everyone should by now–that the FBI, true to form, will fuck it up and then lie about it. The spectre of Americans being killed by explosives financed, built and placed in the hands of hapless outcasts by an agency whose ultimate purpose is to save American lives is too much to take.
This scenario serves a good purpose, though, as it exposes the government’s myth of there being a terrorist around every tree, like they want us to believe. If there are so many terrorists out there, why does the FBI manufacture its own? Surely, all of that domestic surveillance has produced thousands of suspects to go after. If not, why do all of that spying?
All of the legitimate plots that the FBI has foiled would probably fit into a thimble, so it’s really galling that they conduct these stings as if they are really doing something. Personally, this kind of activity makes me feel much less safe as the agency’s resources are being wasted on phony scenarios. How about getting the real bad guys, huh?
It’s a good point. Exactly how many of the fbi actually knew about this specific operation? is it possible they have so many of these operations going on that they could simply leave one in the hands of a group with that knew nobody was watching them and allow it to complete?
My thoughts, too. What scares me is what if our what-if’s have already happened? I’m not entirely trusting of the Boston bombing story. A compliant press–and that’s what we have–can spin a story any way it wants to a frightened, angry city and nation. Tons of evidence exists for that. Everything seemed to happen a little too neatly for the FBI in that case. So, like I said before, I’m just instinctively and exceedingly skeptical about anything the FBI says. I hope we’re wrong.
I agree with you. I’ve often thought exactly the same that it’s just a matter of time before they screw up and something big goes boom (at least we know the Twin Towers won’t be it, this time).
I really wanted to attend graduate school in the US, as they still have some of the best in the world. But every news that comes out is downright scary – unchecked powers of law enforcement, heavily armed police, police brutality and shootings. Now i cannot muster enough courage to go to US. I let the application window pass this year. Sad.
Why would the FBI lie?
Indeed, why would they? After all, it’s not as if they could possibly benefit from lying or anything.
Sorry O/T, update on the Sony hacking, from IBT:
John McAfee: ‘I know who hacked Sony Pictures – and it wasn’t North Korea’
Anti-virus pioneer John McAfee claims to have been in contact with the group of hackers behind the devastating cyber-attack against Sony Pictures and guarantees they are not from North Korea.
Speaking to IBTimes UK about his current roster of security startups under his Future Tense brand – including secure messaging app Chadder – McAfee spoke about working with the FBI previously but said that, in this case, the agency was “wrong”.
“I can guarantee they are wrong. It has to do with a group of hackers – I will not name them – who are civil libertarians and who hate the confinement the restrictions the music industry and the movie industry has placed on art and so they are behind it.” [snip]
“McAfee said that no one was being hurt by the FBI’s accusations, that they were not arresting anyone and putting them in jail. However it should be noted that the US government has used the FBI’s accusation to impose further sanctions on the country as well as 10 officials.
“Maybe [North Korea] have been wrongly accused in this case, but they have not been accused in cases where they should have been accused.”
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafee-i-know-who-hacked-sony-pictures-it-wasnt-north-korea-1483581
Not really off topic since it proves that the FBI should stick to sting operations. The only sure way to know who commits a crime is to commit it yourself.
Speaking of establishment deception…
*Did Gitmo “Suicides” Cover Up Murder? US Sergeant Speaks Out on Deaths and Prison’s Secret CIA Site*
JOSEPH HICKMAN: When the van finally did pass that checkpoint, if it went straight, it was going to the main base. But 100 meters past the checkpoint, it made a left. Which meant it was going to either two places — you could only go to two places in 2006 at that time. You could go to the beach or you could go to a place that we called, as soldiers there, Camp No.
AMY GOODMAN: No as in n-o.
JOSEPH HICKMAN: As in no. As in no, it’s not there and, no, it does not exist.
AMY GOODMAN: A black site.
JOSEPH HICKMAN: Yes.
(More at:)
http://truth-out.org/news/item/28584-did-gitmo-suicides-cover-up-murder-us-sgt-speaks-out-on-deaths-and-prison-s-secret-cia-site
It’s possible they’re preventing like a hundred attacks per day somehow, and these media spectacles are intentional.
– there’s been allot of talk about the role of “informants”, though I think allot if not most are made to pretend they were informants after the fact.
Greenwald and Scahill have recently discussed the roles of the fake “terror experts” used in the media and in courts. Their assessment is very accurate at least in the courts. It would be nearly impossible for the public to understand just how entirely subservient to the courts they really are and how extremely illegal their actions are.
Regarding the F.B.I. and this entrapment case…
Is THIS how low the United States has sunk?
Is THIS how low the FBI has sunk?
The FBI providing, financing, and cornering individuals to do something this low?
It only means the FBI is now lower than gopher shit.
Is there anything wrong with being low? In a fight, it’s always an advantage to have a low center of gravity – it provides stability and makes it easier to upend your opponent.
In the final analysis, you can only arrest the terrorists you create, not the terrorists you’d like to create.
I suppose Paris wishes they had taken proactive measures too.
Maybe THAT was their pro-active measure. Just like 9/11 was for the US.
Is that You, TJ? I would be thrilled if that would be the case. If not, I would still add that there is no bottom in regards to the sinking and that gopher shit is a precious matter in comparison.
To Mona:
There’s one reason the FBI will not go after the Goldman Sachs crowd for insider trading: the OJ criminal trial. There was a lesson learned by ALL “law enforcement” from the O.J. Simpson trial; Don”t try to frame somebody with tons of Money! Be chickenshit and go after those that can’t defend themselves. Even better, bankrupt the defendant (like George Zimmerman) with outrageous bail amounts before the trial so he cannot even afford a decent (not a public defender who is swamped) lawyer.
In George Zimmerman’s case the presiding judge went ballistic after the bail hearing when he learned that Zimmerman had accumulated money to hire a private attorney. The prosecutor and judge had meant to make him (Zimmerman) spend all he had to pay the bail bondsman, so he could not afford a ‘REAL’ defense. This is the cowardly tactic of ALL prosecutions (and military operations) by the U.S. -go after the indefensible, don’t go after anyone that can put up a fight.
You think OJ was framed?
Are you aware that the more apt example Eliot Spitzer attempted to go after banking?
I sleep better at night thinking that O.J. Simpson got away with murder from a botched prosecution. But it puts chills up my spine to think that the LAPD tried to frame O.J. by planting his blood on the crime scene. Even the F.B.I. admitted to finding an anti-coagulant (used to coat blood sample vials) on dried blood ‘evidence’ at the crime scene.
No bonneville, didn’t succeed in framing O.J., but yes bonnevile, TRIED to frame O.J.!
As for that dirtbag elected hypocrite Eliot Spitzer, I admit I am not familiar with his brush with banking. -Please enlighten should you feel the need.
At risk of wading into a conversation, that I don’t want to, I happen to know a little about the Elliot Spitzer’s case. His wife is by all accounts, a lovely woman. Spitzer did indeed try to take on firms on Wall Street. My heiress boss use to keep a file on every firm he went after and buy their stock, knowing it would sink and then go back up again. Elliot Spitzer’s father was an extremely wealthy Manhattan Real Estate tycoon. Spitzer was given a $200,000 a year allowance, while he began his political career. He was ambitious and perhaps he thought he could get away with talking on Wall Street, but if that was his goal, he should have lived like a monk. I happened to be on down in the financial district delivering yet another retainer check on the day it was announced that Spitzer was “Client #9″. He face was plastered across all of the big screen TV’s in the lobby…the bankers in the lobby were doubled over laughing. Keep in mind, it was revealed after the financial crisis that most of the investment banks kept high class prostitution houses “on retainer” for their clients and staff. I also know that there is a particular religious institution in Manhattan, whose members include some of the wealthiest people in New York and they all use the same Madame (house of prostitution). Elliot Spitzer would know this group. So yes, people are selectively outed and destroyed, if you get out of line and go after the wrong people.
I do disagree with the above article that the FBI has nothing to do. They have a staggering workload and more than enough crimes to prosecute. The issue is that too much of law enforcement has been dedicated to address the threat of “terrorism”, specifically Muslim terrorism. And the small threat that exists, does not justify the vast resources directed at the problem.
There is a general consensus emerging that the Justice system is broken and entire classes of people are “above the law”. I often say, that even the Soviet Union and Cuba had occasional show trials for the masses that took out one of their elite (or Stalin’s rival). There are more than enough serious crimes being committed in the United States to keep law enforcement very busy. Some of those crimes may fall under the definition of “terrorism”, if the group directing the actions has a political agenda. However, it is not the “terrorism” that we have all been indoctrinated to fear, but something similar to the “brown shirts” in Germany or the Stasi. The terrorism that currently exists is the “ground troops” directed at innocents, taking instructions from the elite.
Yeah, that’s the ticket! The DoJ is afraid to go after Wall St. because OJ!
Your comment is Exhibit #79,376 in “Why I Love the Internet.”
quote’Your comment is Exhibit #79,376 in “Why I Love the Internet.”unquote
Hahahahahahaha! Your’s are why I love the Internet.
Poor George Zimmerman. He was so very framed. BTW, “…Zimmerman had accumulated money to hire a private attorney.” Why, preytell, don’t you tell us the way in which poor & innocent Zimmerman was able to “accumulate” such money? Oh, and how about mentioning his wife covering the fact, in other words, LYING (a/k/a perjuring herself) about it as well. If all that weren’t enough, Zimmerman has proven himself to be quite the specimen following his trial (just like OJ did). But, yeah, of course, they were both framed for being…for being…well, just for being, right?
The WSWS puts some of the pieces together
virtually all those designated as prominent targets and suspects in the “war on terror” are individuals well known to the CIA and other intelligence agencies.
From “Europe’s terror attacks: The blowback from Western intervention”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01/17/pers-j17.html
Not to plant the seed of an idea in anyone’s head, but surely this trend could be turned towards the positive.
How hard can it be to attract the attention of the FBI, demand payment up front, and donate the money to a worthwhile cause?
What are they gonna do? Sue you for their money back when you refuse to participate after all?
Not as good, but perhaps a better movie, would be to take the money to Vegas and bet it all on black.
Let’s see the agents explain that one to their bosses.
Of course, you would want to document your intentions before going down this path, because they will still try to prosecute.
For the record, if somebody does make a successful “The Entrapment of the Entrappers” movie, I want the story credit and 95% of any payment going to the animal shelter of my choice.
Sorry altohone, it’s been done. See ‘American Hustle’.
Haven’t seen it… the 70’s fashion and comb-over thing in the trailer doesn’t make me want to.
In any case, my apologies for being ignorant.
That was con artists not terror though, yes?
The current reality deserves some exposure beyond the crowd that pays attention.
And really, I would rather it was done in real life to put pressure on ending to these tactics
LOVE that movie. Everyone should see it. It’s one unforgettable truism: “People believe what they want to believe.”
If that happened and the entrapee ended up entrapping the entrapers, how difficult would it for the entrappers to put a bullet in the entrapee’s head (or 50 on his back) and claim that he was trying to [fill in the blank with] bomb A, B or C, kill the agents (remember Ibragim Todashev?), trying to escape, etc. etc.? After the fact, the FBI would investigate itself and find itself to be clear of all wrongdoing or, as another state-sponsored terrorist organization did (hint: the IDF), find itself to be the “most moral [spook agency] in the world.”
Anybody else wonder if this was supposed to be the plan for Tamerlan Tsarnaev, but he jumped the gun and built his own bombs for the marathon instead of using the FBI’s fake ones for July 4th? I’ve been pretty much wondering that since it happened.
I suspected the powers that be right from the start on the Boston Bombing.
Another example of how ISIS, et al, is so deft at influencing young minds and recruiting our youth into their ranks. Wrote article about their internet strategies and would like to share with The Intercept readers: http://osintdaily.blogspot.com/2015/01/9-jihad-internet-strategies-terrorists.html
And the US ,et al. continue to provide them with fodder for their recruiting efforts. Kill a few more innocents, piss off and radicalize a few more potential “terrorists”.
When it comes to influencing young minds and recruiting your youth into the ranks, no one is quite as aptly as the USG, corporate media, et al do it. In fact, hard as they try, ISIL/ISIS/IRIS/DIRIS would love to be able to recruit only half of the young minds that George W. Bush recruited. And I don’t even mean for the US military, I mean for the “terrorist” side.
Just sayin’…
In Portland Or a few years ago a short bus loner Muslim kid was sucked into an FBI set-up. I saw live news of the kid being driven across accommodating police lines into a large crowd. There the FBI boys got him to flick a switch on a fake bomb. Hundreds saw what was happening and reported the hoax. The story was buried of course but the kid went to trial and won. FBI isn’t smart enough to know that we are smarter.
Yep. More FBI kooksh*t. They leave it like a trail of mouse droppings, don’t they? It just boils my blood when they do this — I hate when people who know better deliberately misuse.power, abusing soft targets, those least able to protect themselves. Like the terrorists they ostensibly are supposed to be monitoring, they really seem to pick the soft targets.
Meanwhile the official reports about ‘real’ terrorist events remain blocked 13 years later:
‘What is Philip Zelikow Hiding? A History of Zelikow’s Efforts to Block Public Access to ‘the missing 28 pages’ ‘ Elizabeth Woodward
http://www.opednews.com/articles/What-is-Philip-Zelikow-Hid-by-Elizabeth-Woodwort-Bush_Capitol_History-Commons_Intelligence-150116-296.html
‘Closely guarded in a basement room under Capitol Hill, these pages may only be read by legislators following a formal application process — and even then only under the watchful eyes of staffers who forbid note-taking.
A group of 23 members of Congress agree that they shed essential light on the 9/11 attacks and are pressing for their declassification so that the American people might finally have the truth.
On Wednesday, January 7, Congressmen Walter Jones (R) and Stephen Lynch (D), co-sponsors of House Resolution 428[5] calling for the President to release the information, held a press conference on Capitol Hill, together with three people who had lost family members in the attacks. [6]
Before and after this press conference, Jones and Lynch were interviewed by national networks, including CNN, CBS, ABC, CBC, and Fox News.
In at least two cases, news agencies referred to statements by Zelikow, who, after running the 9/11 Commission returned to academics at the University of Virginia in 2007, where he is now’
That’s the same Zelikow who featured prominently in Phil Shenon’s book as the White House insider (and executive director of The 911 Commission).
I watched Adam Curtis’s 2004 documentary “The Power of Nightmares” last night and even though it’s a decade old it remains sadly relevant. Governments are still using fear to control the population and advance their agenda. It’s a very discouraging time to be alive, I think. I hope the people one day wake up.
http://thoughtmaybe.com/
Great website to watch hard hitting documentarys…even the one mentioned above. “The Power of Nightmares” is a must watch!
What do you mean “still”?
HA HA! Chris Hedges twitter posted this pic about this FBI story: https://twitter.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/556664457120600064
“Petersburg police said that they launched an investigation, and cleared themselves of any wrong-doing.”
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/01/teen-found-guilty-for-recording-police-abusing-him-during-arrest/
Foo Fighters with Zac Brown: “War Pigs” – David Letterman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5ekzTubwU
Very nice cover. Unfortunately, it is as timely today as it was when I first heard it performed by Black Sabbath.
Interesting they chose to not sing the lyrics concerning god in the last stanza:
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death’s construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds… Oh Lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait ’till their Judgment day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of Judgment, God is calling
On their knees the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
Oh Lord yeah!
A joke I heard today:
President Obama’s personal secretary comes up to him and says “Busy day today – Binyamin Netanyahu’s here to see you, plus King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. Oh, and the Pope.”
Obama says, “Who should I see first, do you think?”
The secretary says, “Maybe the Pope would be best first. The only thing you have to kiss is his ring.”
Two things: One, it is interesting to read commentators here who gripe that Glenn G didn’t write the article they wished to read, not the one he wrote. As if GG commands an entire army of investigators. How about these jerks go investigate something themselves?
Second: It might be worth noting in the next such article that this entrapment tactic was widely used in the USSR by the NKVD during the Stalinist era and even later. While they didn’t invent the tactic of flocking to someone who made dissident noises with government agents posing as dissidents, this was used relentlessly and successfully. The British MI6 regularly would try to set up opposition groups or cells but these would always (yes, always) be immediately flooded with NKVD informants who would string them along until the decision was made to round everyone up. Propaganda show trials then ensure.
So the FBI here is merely following the well trod path of sinister police state organs in luring naïve or mentally unstable types into “agreeing” to take some sort of action, normally totally prompted by the secret police. Yes, that is where we are today. The FBI has become America’s own NKVD/KGB.
One stupid tweet or Facebook post and suddenly mysterious new “friends” want to chat you up and “help” you express your anger. America’s own gulags await you.
Hi Max-1; the entrapment tactic predated the NKVD. It was a favorite trick of the Okhrana, the secret police of the Tsar. There’s a famous case- I think it was Yevnov Asef- who worked up a plot that involved an assassination attempt – on his own boss, the head of the police. And he told the boss that the attempt would have to go forward because failing to carry it out would risk the whole entrapment operation. The attempt went ahead- and was successful!
I happen to have lived under one such Communist regime for 21 years of my life. I used to wonder who was learning from whom. I now know that the present-day Fascists are learning from the Communists. In fact, I’ve often wondered whether they consult with the remaining hard-cord “Commies” for their newly-acquired techniques. But, seriously, seeing these travesties being transferred from one government to another has made arrive at the conclusion that they’re all the same no matter what they call themselves: Fascists.
I understand that Jeremy Scahill and perhaps you yourself find “false flag” accusations unacceptable and often will exclude comments that offer these theories. But aren’t these FBI stings in effect false flag operations? Just on a smaller scale, perhaps. But the intention is the same – to increase public fear, justify restrictions and make the narrative about Muslim = terrorist ever stronger.
What could go wrong?
The Chief of Police and the Mayor and the District Attorney seek to pry into the citizens daily lives a bit more… So the Chief of Police and the DA ‘conspire’ to Cleese a disgruntled city employee to plot to kill the mayor. THEN the DA produces a Judges order to arrest the city employee for what the DA and Chief of Police coerced this city employee to do.
Isn’t that usually called “commission of a crime”?
“You can’t cheat an honest man.” (Commonly attributed to W.C. Fields.)
But you can sure manipulate a lost, desperate one.
There’s a second half of that saying you didn’t include. It goes, “You can’t cheat an honest man, but you never give a sucker an even break.”
Fits the agency’s inegrity level to a tee. “Now watch this drive…”(GWB)
You’re right. If this man was a perfectly self-confident man with supportive friends and financial stability, he never would have fallen for the government’s tricks. However, he wasn’t, like probably 90% of Americans. Do you really think that every non-perfect person deserves to go to jail? Or do you trust the government to pick the ones they want to screw over?
Law enforcement go after the weakest of us. The government should be helping the weak become stronger, not preying on their weakness to appear strong itself. This reminds me of an undercover law enforcement officer who became an autistic kid’s only friend in order to trick him into selling drugs, even though the kid had no drug history and was only trying to keep the only friend he’d had in his life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8af0QPhJ22s
All this can only be understood when looked at from one perspective – the Orwellian perspective. For the Orwellian perspective provides explanations where everything else fails. Since the present version of ‘Big Brother’ has grown into new even bigger dimensions than Orwell could have ever imagined, one is starkly reminded that any sense must be drawn from these inalienable 21st Century truths: ‘War is Peace’, ‘Ignorance is Strength’ and since nine 11, ‘Terror is Heroism’.
With this on mind, the ‘Nobel Peace Price’ starts to make sense, as does the declining intellect amongst large numbers of societies world wide, culminating in an ever increasing ‘Heroism’ on behalf of the tools of authority. 1984 started in 1948 and its cross sum adds up to 22, which, with proper infused zeroes arrives at 2002. While the numbers part is somewhat humorous, the Orwellian parallel is certainly not.
His converted name is RAHEEL MAHRUS. The FBI and legal arenas in general, always conduct sham laden convictions to justify and validate their usefulness to the Law[less] Enforcement arena.
These FBI stings are essentially small scale, false flag operations. Their objective is not to complete the operations, but rather to show that there is a threat out there without having the damage occur. The false flag is in the attempt only.
In contrast, a high percentage of Americans and even more people around the world think 9-11, was a false flag operation. Glenn Greenwald has publicly stated he has looked at the evidence and claims he does not believe so. Having spent over a decade reviewing others research I find this hard to believe, so I will ask one question of Mr. Greenwald here.
WTC 7, a 47-story, square block office building collapsed completely symmetrically in its own footprint in 6 seconds at 5:20 pm on 9/11. Even NIST has admitted that the collapse happened at free fall speed for 2.25 seconds. This amount of time equates to at least 8 stories of building collapse, across the entire footprint of the building, with ZERO resistance (by definition of free fall). The only known way 8 stories of a steel lattice network can lose ALL resistance simultaneously is through a controlled demolition. A controlled demolition could not have been implemented on the same day, so it had to be rigged well in advance of the 9/11 attack. Therefore, 19 foreign nationals could not have accomplished the 9/11 attack alone.
So if Mr. Greenwald has thoroughly research the facts of 9/11, how does he answer the free fall collapse of WTC 7?
What evidence has he found to counter the only reasonable explanation of controlled demolition?
I think The Intercept should have a permanent link right at the top near the banner asking anyone in the USA to confidentially report incidences of people being coerced or cajoled or tempted to carry out activities related to terrorism. TI can then investigate and report this, and thus expose the FBI and their stupid informants before the “terrorists” are caught and paraded in public. Once FBI and their media brethren in CNN, Faux, WSJ and MSNBC get their act together it may be too late for the GG gang and Monalisa’s here to react, except perhaps provoke CraigSummers to rant off reams off subsidized garbage.
The conclusion says it all!
It’s all about justifying these enormous budget given to the US security system and the mass medias are the perfect messenger to deliver these justifications, and they’re happy to do it, because after all, sensationalism = big money
Excellent job tying the specifics of this particular bizarre twist on justice to the increasingly-obvious truth: that it is now the established policy of the feds to feed story lines to the worldwide Théâtre de la Terreur by the most convenient of all processes — in-house screenwriters.
Nobody does this work better than Greenwald.
Portland Christmas tree bomber.
The Portland city council did not like the lack of oversight concerning JTTF operations involving local law enforcement. They were planning on stopping it altogether. Next thing you know, they bust a plot they completely manufactured and the city council backed down.
There was a very short window of time between the release of the council’s decision and the JTTF attack.
Patriot Act Idea Rises in France, and Is Ridiculed
By MATT APUZZO and STEVEN ERLANGER, JAN. 16, 2015
Dominique de Villepin, the former French prime minister, warned against the urge for “exceptional” measures. “The spiral of suspicion created in the United States by the Patriot Act and the enduring legitimization of torture or illegal detention has today caused that country to lose its moral compass,” he wrote in Le Monde, the French newspaper.
Many good lives have been turned upside-down… America has indeed lost whatever moral compass it ever had.
Clarification:
Quote from NY Time article:
“Dominique de Villepin, the former French prime minister, warned against the urge for “exceptional” measures. “The spiral of suspicion created in the United States by the Patriot Act and the enduring legitimization of torture or illegal detention has today caused that country to lose its moral compass,” he wrote in Le Monde, the French newspaper.”
My added commentary: Many good lives have been turned upside-down… America has indeed lost whatever moral compass it ever had.
Apparently, he doesn’t consider 10,000 soldiers on the streets of Paris plus another 700 cops at the 717 jewish schools across the country (in addition to the 4,100 gendarmes already deployed) as “exceptional” measures. It’s a good thing his heels are so firmly planted on the ground.
It appears that these phony terror plots created by FBI sting operations are employing a lot of Americans – FBI agents that is. The money they can wave under the noses of poor informants has a predictable effect. It allows government to infiltrate and spy on immigrants who attend mosques, that is for sure. Otherwise such domestic spying might be frowned on as a civil rights violation. Since Paris, however, the groupthink will not hesitate to do just that, because anti-immigrant sentiment will grow. This kid is obviously not a threat, but a catalyst for allowing more violations on privacy and freedom of worship. His internet life is being taken very seriously, when a prior common sense might have dismissed it.
In my humble opinion, this is the kind of thing we get after years of what I judge to be false flags. The frightened American public will be all for anything that suppresses unpopular groups. And the realistic sense that blowback will be coming after incursions into other societies will put the ordinary person on edge and ready to believe the most absurd of plots, even knowing they were concocted in stings. The prejudice, once developed, will be easy to manipulate.
They call it ‘the global war on terror’ (or gwot.). … and everybody knows all* is fair in love and war.
*basically, everybody (on the planet.).
Glenn, off-topic, but have you considered the “fighting words” or “incitement” exceptions in considering the status of Charlie Hebdo’s speech? Worth considering, at least; it’d been rolling around in my head ever since it went down (no, they shouldn’t have been harmed let alone killed) and it may not apply. But it’s worth considering at least as a social more — ethically if not legally. I think that was the point of the Pope’s quite humane comments the other day, excoriated by Polly Wants a Crack at Him Toynbee in the Guardian.
Anyway, I’m not a lawyer but it’d be interesting to know your take on it — if not here in this string, somewhere at some time!
The hard-line socialist Pope and his violence-minded comments confirm the progressive left for what it is.
I think there is little basis for your charges against Pope Francis. I believe his intent was to remind us that each of us has something we hold sacred, including for some of us our own mothers. He was letting us know that insults can have consequences. The state may not have the right to block our insults, but between the time it prosecutes our attackers and the time we made the statement, rather untoward events may happen driven by primitive forces of reprisal.
Is the Pope simply trying to say that the wide world in which we live is not a government-monitored playground where privileged bullies can be protected by the state because they are on its side? Yes, I think that is the gist of it.
When a comedian like Maher says the pope is dead to him, that’s not even news. Pope Francis’s popularity had all the staying power of the Palm Sunday treatment of Jesus Christ. It wasn’t going to last. Popularity is shallow in an office like that. Someone is going to run into a conflict eventually. The honeymoon is over, but the Pope’s remarks in this case are no less true and a warning to those working without a net that they might wind up on the ground. He’s just doing his job, but the cartoonists can do theirs with or without his remarks.
I only read Glenn’s articles now on TI. The rest of the articles are pretty much unreadable …short , boring, pointless.
Just like your comments.
“Cromitie, who was desperately poor, accepted meals and rent money from [the informant], he repeatedly backed away from his violent statements when it came time to act on them,” and that “only when the offers became outrageously high–and when Cromitie was particularly vulnerable to them, because he had lost his job–did he finally succumb.”
And it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to learn that the FBI had a role in his job loss.
There are a lot of would be terrorists, who unfortunately expend all their energy at work and then barely have the time to rest and recuperate before they have to go to work the next day. It is therefore almost impossible to find these people, because their daily activities are no different from any other citizen.
Fortunately, the government is in the process of solving this problem by undermining the economy in order to create mass unemployment. This will provide the terrorists with the time they need to surf forbidden web sites and be targeted for FBI sting operations. It will also, as in this case, make them more susceptible to accepting cash inducements to participate in the FBI’s plots.
But I don’t know whether there is any evidence in this case that the FBI directly engineered the loss of employment. It’s a better policy just to ensure a generally high rate of unemployment, so the FBI doesn’t have to waste time with these sorts of details.
The FBI went to my employer and got me fired. They also terrorized my family.
Or HHS.
“We live in a dangerous country, and we get reminded every week of the dangers that are out there.”
No. We don’t live in a dangerous country, if this quote context means (and it must) that the danger is from outside forces. About five times as many Americans are killed via drunk drivers every year than were killed on 9/11. The last homeland invasion (that I know of, aside from Pearl Harbor) occurred in the early 1800s when the Canadians burned down the White House. America has only two bordering neighbors–Canada and Mexico, neither of which is an enemy, because Canada is now a buddy and not WH burner-downer. America has by far the best Navy on Earth to prevent marine invasions, plus it’s Coast Guard and it’s various state maritime policing navies. We are in zero danger of being invaded by a landed armed group of a foreign country or enemy.
I sometimes wish/lament/feel ashamed for thinking this country would be better off if we actually were vulnerable. If we were say, a country in Europe who’d seen dozens of invasions and empires reigning over the millenia. If we were say, Russia in WWII defending against Germany with millions of lives lost and women and children war heroes because it was necessary. We might be a bit less arrogant to thrust our power outward, because we’d at least understand that there’s risk involved. To our actual physical country; to our armchair generals. Then again, Russia’s instruction of loss didn’t lead it to being benevolent after WWII…
But the US is not in danger from Islamic terrorism. The very idea is laughable.
Actually, the U.S. is in danger – we’re just too dumb to notice or defend against it. Even in the 90s North Korea was known to have a huge arsenal of engineered bioweapons, stuff like “ebolapox” (look it up!). Tomorrow their Illustrious Leader could be hit by lightning, they blame us for it (perhaps falsely) and let loose an apocalypse. Since they give their own people forced vaccinations (and they know better than to ask what’s in it) they might even be immune themselves.
Every year we let the flu come in to our country, fight it with antique vaccines whose only virtue is to make the right people money, say “some day” we’ll use the better technologies people have been inventing since the 90s … all it proves is that we are powerless to defend against biological attack. We have this huge Maginot Line of ships and planes and missiles all meant to fight against the ways they’re supposed to attack us, but if the attack is anything frowned upon, we all get to die. The CDC runs on a shoestring, as if it had no role in defense at all, even though every time somebody with Ebola lands in the U.S. they’re the only ones to call.
Nor is this the only way we could be attacked and devastated. Idiots manufacture networked cars where some foreign power could throw on the brakes by remote control … what do we do if there’s a lethal traffic accident on every block of every road? All sorts of ways. We hold up this little quarter-sized shield in front of our eyes and pretend that if we can’t see them they can’t see us, and it’s all bunk. Trillions of dollars of greedy waste and barely a chance of winning a real war.
CDC is doing just fine on the budget it’s got:
“My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.
“I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”
http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
Hooey. Autism usually involves a visible developmental deformity of the inferior olive with an embryological origin. Symptoms are observable after about six months. MMR is typically given at one year. And this guy Thompson is talking about very dubiously “statistically significant” effects in one ethnic group of a population. Bear in mind that what “statistially significant” means is that it could happen 5% of the time by chance — and that was probably also true for Hispanics, Asians, whites, blacks, boys, girls… a lot of ways to pick through that data and look for something a little odd. Even if it were meaningful it would still need to be repeated. Even if it were repeatable it still wouldn’t change the fact that when you have a measles outbreak in 300 kids somewhere between 1 and 3 of them is going to be DEAD, more with permanent neurological injury from the virus, but none of them would get autism from being vaccinated no matter whose data set you use. And all that is just a scab of truth over the wound – that this all started with somebody trying to file a lawsuit against the company and paying a pet scientist to publish favorable conclusions, who never disclosed his commercial interest. How can you put up with this nonsense? Whatever your motivation, your conspiracy theories aren’t going to help you when people are dying in the streets from the next plague, even if it is natural in origin. And unless we give the CDC and NIAID and other important agencies a huge boost in funding before it’s too late, probably nobody else will either.
These girls might be relieved to hear of the efficacy of their vaccinations:
http://truthaboutgardasil.org/
If they were still breathing. There are a number of troopers now confined to wheelchairs who survived; google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Zeda+Pingel.
Elsewhere, other kinds of aggresive-schedule innoculations: vactruth.com/2013/06/22/shaken-baby-syndrome/vessels.
Then the news media can sing that to the world, as the origins of autism have suddenly now been demystified by Wnt. Except you’re full of sh-.
Plus all you have to do is perform simple search on normal milestones reached, talkative, one day, then after aggressive schedules they’ve immediately got acute digestive tract abnormalities and they’re no longer ‘neurotypical.’
Now you’re off on more vaccines, other issues… I could write up a site “The Truth About Cheese” with lurid accounts of bacterial contamination, milk allergy and so forth leading to many tragic cases. The difference being, there would be some verifiable scientific link, not just coincidence. Even so, I just ate some … despite it not being likely to save my life.
Now actually, I do sympathize regarding the right to avoid HPV vaccine since it is not necessary for kids to prevent contagion in class. The government should not be allowed to legislate “We demand your kids go to school. We demand kids in school be subject to any medical procedure we want. Therefore…” I think using HPV vaccine is a good idea but there really is a principle involved on that one. And, yes, I can understand that parents of autistic children have unfairly been placed by society as facing huge burdens largely on their own, and they are desperate for any process that can offset some of the cost. But — no, destroying a key advance that provides some measure of health to this age is not the way.
Glyphosate residue looks less than healthy on development:
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/sls/publications/2013/Seneff_Entropy-15-01416.pdf
Key advance? Adjuvents? Preservatives? Mistargeted “flu” vax? Myriad, endless innoculations for things most of us successfully grew up around?
Moreover, see these outtakes from the PBS documentary The Health Century, complete with Edward Shorter:
_”MERCK – CANCER – SV40 and AIDS in VACCINES – ADMISSION BY Dr Maurice Hilleman”_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGWut6IRfA
But the efficacy of the vaccines is irrelevant to bonneville, who, as a true anarchist, must object to them on principle. Even when they’re not compulsory, they are a blatant violation of the natural order and an obvious acknowledgement of the interdependence of humanity and the particular advantages that come to each individual only from the cooperation of a community. In other words, socialism.
_”Immunized People Getting Whooping Cough“_
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/jun/12/immunized-people-getting-whooping-cough/
_”BBC Admits Dark Side to Bill Gates’s Polio Project Ahead of Dimbelby Lecture“_
ageofautism.com/2013/01/bbc-dark-side-bill-gates-polio-dimbleby.html
_”Immunized People Getting Whooping Cough“_
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/jun/12/immunized-people-getting-whooping-cough/
_”Flu Shots May Not Protect the Elderly or the Very Young“_
scientificamerican.com/article/flu-shots-may-not-protect-the-elderly-or-the-very-young/
_”BBC Admits Dark Side to Bill Gates’s Polio Project Ahead of Dimbelby Lecture“_
ageofautism.com/2013/01/bbc-dark-side-bill-gates-polio-dimbleby.html
leftahead, like a progressive leftist, demands cooperation in accordance with socialist ideology and its ‘science’ of the day.
The two sides I see here are a) wanting to stop losing 20,000 Americans a pop to the flu every year, b) not caring; a) not wanting to see the measles as a common cause of childhood death, b) not caring because according to the most bogus research in the past 20 years in biology you might stop a few cases of autism, a) not wanting the U.S. to miss the chance to show that it can ring-vaccinate and stop yearly incursions of the flu virus as a routine military exercise in biodefense, b) not caring that every year we pin a “Kick Me” poster on our backs and show the world that any virus that makes it to our shores will make it to our lungs. I don’t really know what philosophy (a) is but I like it better.
The HPV vaccine would have saved the life of someone very close to me. He died a horrible torturous death from throat cancer caused by HPV. Cervical cancer in women who were never vaccinated for HPV is more common from what I understand. Those right wing assholes trying to stop people from being vaccinated because they think girls will have more sex if they feel protected are just plain fucking evil.
Is sex all the progressive left thinks about? People are being used as human pincushions for product placement more than ever, and a significant number of otherwise healthy individuals have suffered death or serious injury coincident with these increasingly saturated vaccine schedules throughout development.
You are not even trying very hard. Vaccines save millions of lives. Certainly they should be studied to see what the range of bad side effects is, but that does not negate the documented benefits.
And yes, sex is all the “progressive left” ever thinks about… my obtuse friend. News flash for regressive right morons: Young people have lots of sex. Safe sex is the best kind. Part of that is being inoculated for HPV. HPV can kill you years later as happened to the fine human being I wrote about above.
Nothing that you mentioned is a “danger”.
In case anyone suspects the FBI prosecutes more zealously because of the “terror” attacks in 2001 or terror attacks in the future, read this about FBI machinations … in 1991..
Here’s the NY Times account:
Excellent and important article.
However the cited statement ascribes to the State an unproved motive that cannot be reasonably inferred from the pattern established in the article itself.
In the Minority Report movie, the authorities were prosecuting actual crimes. They “anticipated” only because the pre-cogs established that a crime would necessarily occur. The pre-cogs acted as a justifying authority so that police officials could say something like, “if we don’t act, this terrible thing will happen.” (This premise, of course, doesn’t work without the assumption of an impossible clairvoyant ability. This bit of nonsense drives the plot.)
What the FBI does is entirely different.
They manufacture guilt that, quite likely (remember, no clairvoyance), would not exist but for their machinations.
It is ludicrous to suggest the FBI wanted to stop a serious future crime or to protect national security. As the article indicates, the “suspect” — like, say, the “plotter” of acetylene torch attack on the Brooklyn bridge — had neither plans, nor means, nor motive, nor ability to commit a serious crime.
I suspect his haplessness is what draws the FBI to him like flies to a corpse. The prisons are literally full of potential informants. Why choose this one rather than another?
Surely the agents know the suspect’s lack of capacity.
Thus their motivation could not be to prevent crime or to protect national security.
This demands the obvious question: what are the actual institutional reasons to arrest and prosecute this poor man?
wiltmellow, won’t you and Keith and the Presumptuous Insect tell us how you would enforce your leftist laws, and what kind of surveillance you would impose, to ensure that visible smoke doesn’t rise from Oregon woodburning chimneys, and that everyone is paying their fair share to mandatory comprehensive health insurance as defined by your state agencies, and that no serf has access to firearms, and that Equality is effectively instituted, and that no one is surreptitiously conducting activity in a free market? Don’t be shy.
Nice pertinent question Mr. McCarthy.
I’ll answer only if you first admit that Murray Rothbard was a racist dwarf with the intellect of Elmer Fudd.
My God, you must think that government is composed of evil authoritarians who prey upon a helpless citizenry. What a horrible Manichean world view!
No, the goal of government is not to impose, but to induce the citizens to demand more surveillance. The best way to accomplish this is to create an environment which is as dangerous as possible. People will then demand protection and insist that government be given the absolute powers required to ensure their safety.
The best way to accomplish this is to make sure that dangerous weapons are freely available to all. The Constitution does make some timid steps in this direction by providing for the right of all citizens to bear arms. However, it does not impose this obligation and does not guarantee the most advanced weaponry will be made universally available. So while the US has an impressive rate of firearm homicides, is still far less dangerous than it could be. This dampens the demand for a stronger police presence, ubiquitous surveillance and internal checkpoints.
Note that I say ‘demand’ because it is the role of the government to serve the people, and the people have the right to demand it be invested with the necessary powers to do so.
Are you breaking the fourth wall on this post? There’s actually a strong correlation between more guns (and more liberty), and fewer gun crimes:
California: 1,304 gun homicides
pop. 38.33 million
3.4 per 100,000
Illinois: 439 gun homicides
pop. 12.88 million
3.41 per 100,000
New Jersey: 273 gun homicides
pop. 8.899 million
3.07 per 100,000
New York 407: gun homicides
pop. 19.75 million
2.06 per 100,000
Texas: 745 gun homicides
pop. 26.45 million
2.82 per 100,000
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/20tabledatadecpdf/table_20_murder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2012.xls
Population figures are 2013. New York’s gun laws outside of the city-state of NYC are more typical of Vermont’s.
Also, _”FBI: Violent crime drops, reaches 1970s level“_ (November 10, 2014)
my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81932766/
Imagine the almost incomprehensible level of guns and freedom in France to achieve this result:
Gun homicide rates per 100,000 people:
United States: 2.83
France 0.2
Yeah, their freedom. You said it. Of speech, of association (non-Muslim ‘No-Go Zones’ throughout the country), from punishing taxation. Prohibition on ownership of effective tools of self defense which have provenance dating from time immemorial. (And employment opportunity? Forget it.)
I was merely using the metric of the person who stated:
But these statistics are bad news for bonneville, who, like any true anarchist, does not regard gun violence as a negative. Gun violence is emblematic of the stateless society he craves. The herd will be thinned. And of course there are only “crimes” in the presence of a Big Government to enforce compliance, which he abhors. He’s just shy about admitting this.
Says leftahead, who knows nothing of Natural Law or the non-aggression principal.
Ah, and a utopian anarchist at that, not admitting that any principle of non-agression is useless without cooperation and inevitably resorts to enforcement. Or is that just a dodge, and it’s the non-state enforcement that he’s really after?
Trevor Aaronson, cited in the column, disagrees:
The “broken windows” analogy is inapt as those are actual crimes being committed, however trivial, with no encouragement or assistance from government informers. But Aaronson’s point is that the FBI’s motive is to deter (more) serious crimes and that’s a reasonable inference. The widespread use of informers is essentially a form of surveillance, and surveillance can prevent crime. The idea is to inhibit communication between would be conspirators. Coram quoted the Russian proverb: “When four sit down to talk revolution, three are fools and the fourth is a police spy.” That’s the idea.
Well, I wouldn’t place too much faith in Russian proverbs. After all, the Russian revolution actually succeeded, so following their methods of police spying might not be too good an idea.
Fortunately, I think the US has avoided the mistake of tangling with real revolutionaries. Momma’s boys living in the basement are a manageable adversary. It’s always important to choose your enemies carefully. Ronald Reagan remains a hero to this day for his wonderful victory over Grenada.
The history of the FBI would suggest incompetence at the very least. (e.g., Richard Jewell, Wen Ho Lee, Steven Hatfield, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bruce Ivins, and Zacarias Moussaoui whom they had in custody a month prior to 911.), Simple bungling, Clouseauesque dullards.
Google “FBI Lightning Strike.NASA” for a fairly well documented account of the FBI butchering the lives of ordinary, dedicated people for no reason whatsoever. (since I had one post about this deleted by the lurking anti-furies here, I’ll leave it to the reader to google.) Or watch American Hustle.
While it may be true that J. Edgar Hoover operated with a strong political bias against leftists (imagine Bonneville in a position of authority), he protected himself not through successes or effective police work but through wiretapping and media relations — that is through secrets for blackmail in private and building a false public image of remarkable success.
But Hoover is gone.
What remains is an institution which thrives on intrigue and headlines making a spectacle.
As the case with James Cromitie illustrates.
However over the years their scapegoat has changed from labor activists, to communists, to civil rights activists, to public servants to — only now — Muslims.
If the institution had any integrity whatsoever, Michael Grimm would never have worked for them and Coleen Rowley would have been promoted to top leadership.
Instead one ends up in Congress and the other ends up in obscurity.
Think Michael Scott (The Office) crossed with PT Barnum.
The FBI, NSA, CIA, POTUS, SCOTUS, etc., are supposed to serve whom? They do not have any mandate to serve “the people” – it’s just people being delusional about their rights.
Since corporations are also persons, and are often actually served by those you mention, just change “the people” to “some people.”
Tougher to fix those delusions though…
They can pick and choose whom to serve. CraigSummers and Nate must be high on their list. I also used to be at some time, now I am not too sure since I have stopped being paid for my posts. It tickles me no end to think Mona’s taxes end up in Craig’s wallet ;-)
Generally speaking General, I have never had a single job working for the government. EVERY company or corporation I have worked for in my entire life has been in the private sector. However, I have worked on a jobs for various companies that had contracts with the government. In that sense, Mona’s taxes have ended up in my pocket – and I thank her. Mona is a giving kind of person.
Thanks.
So was EdwardSnowden a private contractor in service of the mighties, but you guys are world apart in every sense. No worries, I am with you and Nate, but it’s kinda getting lonely out here.
One thing you, Nate and I have in common. We are about a half a world apart from Snowden. God I would do anything to watch Russian hockey – and with Putin at his side. It simply doesn’t get any better than that. It’s gotta be like watching the Super Bowl with Obama. Dreaming again.
Take care.
this makes me wonder…………..could the oklahoma city bombing have been another fbi-inspired
plot? another fast-n-furious gone bad? it sure would make sense of all the strange reports
surrounding that nasty bit of domestic terrorism.
quick answer: yes.
Long answer: Google ‘Jesse Trentadue’
hunnee i wud thikn taht doin ennythink fastinfoorius wile waring tinfurldepenz wud knot bee a gud ideum don u no.
After the first or second paragraph I was immediately reminded of Cromitie and Newburgh (sp?), NY (mentioned later in the article). That case was absolutely absurd (the $250,000 enticement was really just a code word for $5,000 – makes perfect sense)! Remember the Hollywood-style police and FBI show they put on for purely political and publicity reasons? Hundreds of law enforcement officers blocked off areas for absolutely no reason — because the FBI were the ones who actually made the fake bombs, and had the Newburgh “terrorists” monitored at all times during that day/night! Not one of the “terrorists” could even afford a car (or even bicycles), but had no problems buying c4, a rocket launcher, grenades… The story just keeps on getting worse. One of them was mentally disabled (mindset of a child). They all needed the money. The Guy who was supposed to activate the bomb never did. Cromitie (I think) blatantly told the informer he wouldn’t shoot a rocket at the intended airplane if people would be injured… Absurd! This story has a very similar scent of bullshit!
This article should be on the front page of every publication in the country. Beside the obvious criminality of the FBI, law enforcement that has to bully and troll a target into a criminal act is in the end simplistic and authoritarian, unable to cope with the inevitable complexities real terrorism threatens. I truly hope a judge somewhere can find his or her backbone and stand up to this garbage. .
The men and women of the FBI who set up these silly trolls are utterly contemptible.
Great article and thank you.
Right you are Foster. Glenn is right on: how can this massive boondoggle which is the national security budget be justified if these “law enforcement agencies” don’t manufacture crimes and criminals out of thin air? The American taxpayer is being scammed but good, and most of these victims are too dim to realize it.
What infuriates me is by and large these are marginalized powerless kids they are entrapping, less than 25 years old. The stench from the FBI is sickening, like a rotted corpse. This is all bad laughable PR, bottom line.
Greenwald is a gay Jew who would be beheaded in many Muslim nations because of Islamic cultural attitudes and yet he criticises the French cultural attitude of freedom of expression and satire.
Typical far-left American Jewish queer hypocrite.
Wtf. AF hominem. Troll. Asshat.
In GG’s article: ” In solidarity…”, I just noticed that the “Add Comment” button is missing, and so are ALL”Reply ” buttons to existing posts.
Pat B.,
The comment section to that particular article is closed.
Another great one, Glenn. I think we all should keep the skeptic glasses on as this one develops.
Oh, and it seems as though some of you TI’ers were discussing my feline friends. Well, I just can’t be left out now, can I?
“Of all God’s creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat.”
“When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade, without further introduction.”
“A home without a cat — and a well-fed, well-petted and properly revered cat — may be a perfect home, perhaps, but how can it prove title?”
—All from Mark Twain
It may be coincidental, though it’s possible the very high affection for cats was a factor in selecting him as a target; as well as the African American Buddhism of Aaron Alexis. I can see given their intentions why they would want those factors on the suspicious list.
can u change that to my screen name..
I encourage all here to please visit Cincinnati.com where the ruling class’ narrative of the Cornell case is being promoted unchallenged. Thanks.
It’s disgusting, I wouldn’t know where to begin… http://static.cincinnati.com/contact-us/
Visit Cincinnati? Been there, done that. Once is enough. “Have you effer been in Zincinnati”.
Three part video interview of James Baldwin, in which he touches on, among other things, alienation and the ruling class’ war on youth, but also, the necessity for young people to get politically activated and educated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-WgwFEUNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1BkaSEvyPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXwVnYGJ_Cw
This is all you really need to know about the Federal Bureau of Entrapment: The Newburg Four – http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/the-newburgh-sting
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/
Writing offensive “cartoons” about people who are being systematically, “freedom-lovingly” killed is not the same as writing satirical cartoons about dentists, politicians or lawyers.
Those “cartoonists” are effectively and actively framing, instigating and backing those acts against “ragheads”. It is not just a “freedom of speech” thing.
Killing those “cartoonists”, morally speaking, isn’t any worst or better than “freedom-loving” killing using drones guided with satellites based on “statistical patterns” you got from the NSA.
Thanks for lifting the veil.
Imagine the Informants You Can Coerce When You Can Spy on Every Single American
https://www.emptywheel.net/2013/09/11/imagine-the-informants-you-can-coerce-when-you-spy-on-every-single-american/
Security justifies the dragnet, the dragnet trawls for “informants”, the “informants” play security theater, the theater justifies the dragnet.
COINTELPRO didn’t end, it became banal.
a vital piece:
Lessons of COINTELPRO
http://www.isreview.org/issues/49/cointelpro.shtml
“COINTELPRO didn’t end, it became banal.”
And not only is it alive, so to speak, it’s thriving.
“…the number of FBI informants has ballooned, to 15,000.”
Factor in the informants that are being used by all other law enforcement and intelligence agencies and the number is… well…. I wouldn’t even hazard a guess.
(Snitching: Criminal Informants and the Erosion of American Justice Hardcover – November 16, 2009
by Alexandra Natapoff
http://www.snitching.org/p/ini.html )
I know this: Given my perch in this cage, we’re in serious trouble. Many good, law-abiding citizens are being targeted. No one will help. And there’s no apparent way out…
Many good, law-abiding citizens are being targeted. No one will help. And there’s no apparent way out…
Sadly, I am living this nightmare. And no amount of pleading has changed my predicament.
tinyurl.com/ozc3gpg
Anon, can you tell us from which perch you sit?
[Boehner] warned: “We live in a dangerous country, and we get reminded every week of the dangers that are out there.”
What country is he living in?
Revolutionary Russia, apparently.
Nate
“…..As you picked up on, Glenn glosses over the key elements of the criminal complaint, leaving us to do the actual reading. He does not mentioning any specifics that would reflect poorly on Cornell, and only dives into specifics to fuel his predetermined narrative (pointing out that the informant cooperated with the FBI in order to obtain favorable treatment.)…..”
Good comment, Nate. Glenn posted this while at Salon in 2010 (“The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot”):
“……But it may also just as easily be the case that the FBI — as they’ve done many times in the past — found some very young, impressionable, disaffected, hapless, aimless, inept loner; created a plot it then persuaded/manipulated/entrapped him to join, essentially turning him into a Terrorist; and then patted itself on the back once it arrested him for having thwarted a “Terrorist plot” which, from start to finish, was entirely the FBI’s own concoction……”
The “hapless” Muslim defense. Sound familiar?
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/us-terrorism-prosecutions-often-illusion
Kay
Thanks for your reply which was short and sweet.
Greenwald’s description sounds more like a homeless person minding his own business than someone who threatened to kill people. As I mentioned in my first post, none of what has been posted by Greenwald (or Human Rights Watch) diminishes the potentially dangerous activity or potentially dangerous plans of people who explicitly post (on whatever media) threats to harm or murder people. The FBI is right to investigate activities which endanger innocent people.
Sting operations have been a part of law enforcement for a long time. They are used in all phases of law enforcement ranging from disaffected bootleggers to aimless car thieves to hapless pedophiles – not just to catch Islamic terrorists. I also mentioned in my first post that in some cases, a different guideline might be used for sentencing some of the less threatening convicted people (maybe just the ones limited to threatening Jews).
Thanks.
CraigSummers “I also mentioned in my first post that in some cases, a different guideline might be used for sentencing some of the less threatening convicted people (maybe just the ones limited to threatening Jews).”
Since I’m not in favor of discrimination or justification of violence, I believe that no one should ever be threatened because of their religion or ethnical and gender identity.
I think to draw a comparison between Atta’s father and Cornell’s father is somehow misleading, Cornell is not even close to what Atta was capable of. But as you mentioned Europe’s problems are different from those of the United States, and for the same reason is luring a mentally unstable person into criminal activities and practically prepare him for a dangerous situation more of a trouble making than solving it in a rational manner.
I also agree with you that Cornell needs help because he is emotionally homeless.
Thanks Kay
The reply, lightly edited for accuracy:
I repeat the same claims over and over while ignoring the same obvious facts over and over with the same predictable results. So when I read something from Glenn that he wrote at Salon in 2010 (“The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot”), I ignore this:
“……here’s what [another would-be-terrorist recruited by the FBI] allegedly said in a video he made shortly before he thought he would be detonating the bomb:
‘For as long as you threaten our society, your people will not remain safe. As your soldiers target our civilians, we will not help to do so.
Did you think that you could invade a Muslim land, and we would not invade you,…’
We hear the same exact thing over and over and over from accused Terrorists — that they are attempting to carry out plots in retaliation for past and ongoing American violence against Muslim civilians and to deter such future acts. Here we find one of the great mysteries in American political culture: that the U.S. Government dispatches its military all over the world — invading, occupying, and bombing multiple Muslim countries — torturing them, imprisoning them without charges, shooting them up at checkpoints, sending remote-controlled drones to explode their homes, imposing sanctions that starve hundreds of thousands of children to death — and Americans are then baffled when some Muslims — an amazingly small percentage — harbor anger and vengeance toward them and want to return the violence.”
Even the Pentagon Scientific Advisory Board has found that, “Muslims don’t hate us for our freedom; they hate us for our policies”.
I ignore that too.
Thanks for your insights Doc – I agree with everything you say and I think you make important points.
I will confess that post 911, and maybe even prior to it, I was infected with a bad case of Islamophobia. People in burkhas/hijabs, freaked me out. These racist feelings did not begin to abate, until I witnessed Gaza 2014, and began to see Muslims as people, and victims of a terrible aggression of which I was an unknowing part.
I should probably be embarrassed to admit my racism, but I am not. It is the truth. There was a time, when I used to see Muslim women covered up in hijabs, and I would inwardly flinch at the sight of them. Now I over-correct by smiling and saying hello. They probably think I’m some kind of friendly weirdo-freak. But that’s OK.
Red like a beetroot yet?
It’s not ok. I am flinching outwardly
Who cares?
Not at all. Welcome to the world.
I do not feel welcome, however I welcome Mr Summers to make the odd ‘short but sweet’ telling slip ups.. He has yet to be infected with compassion for the people of Gaza.
Craig has your back.. How does that feel? Skin crawling yet?
Sorry but this public statement by way of politeness ought to include some embarrassment (even if feigned).
“These racist feelings did not begin to abate, until I witnessed Gaza 2014, and began to see Muslims as people, and victims of a terrible aggression of which I was an unknowing part.”
Perhaps you are one of those souls who doesn’t get embarrassed easily… An unembarrassed weirdo-freak?
I’m glad you are on the mend and I hope you do not get infected again in the near future as Gaza will need time to recover too.
There’s plenty of embarrassment there – if you can’t read it; then you’re either blind or stupid. Or fucking with me. I’m going to assume the latter.
I think everybody is racist to some degree. I think Zenophobia is part of human nature. Whether or not people choose to admit it, that’s a different story.
I am not red like a beetroot. Not at all.
And Craig, I got this one. Go away.
Plenty is enough for me.
At ease.
“Chlorpromazine, for some reason your alias and avatar image make me very uneasy” ~ Dabney
You should see me in a Burkha ;)
Sorry, now I’m fucking with you
@Dabney more about the alias etc
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/07/leaked-files-german-spy-company-helped-bahrain-track-arab-spring-protesters/#comment-66119
Craig
Hapless you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0
CraigSummers 08 Aug 2014 at 9:33 pm
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/07/leaked-files-german-spy-company-helped-bahrain-track-arab-spring-protesters/#comment-66599
Wanted to remind you of this… Where do you stand on assisted internet suicide?
What a shocking story. A private German contractor signs a deal probably worth millions and sells the system to a minority Sunni Arab dictator who uses the system to monitor dissent – which is probably mostly by the oppressed Shia majority population. This is a similar situation to Syria and Iraq before their upheavals. In other words, Bahrain is a potential powder keg. Arab leaders fear the Arab Spring like the plague, but if you are ruling over a majority population in an area split along sectarian lines then you are doubly at risk. There is almost no democratic solution which leads to the Sunni minority retaining the reins of power.
Can you imagine a business selling out their souls to make money? There is nothing which drives profitability like “demand”; for example, oil. Considering the billions upon billions of dollars spent to manufacture and sell weapons world-wide, the German corporation you mention just shows a minor amount of greed by comparison (like the Belgian arms dealer who provided weapons for the Paris attacks). I’m not quite sure why you seem shocked by this.
Thanks
I wish J Boehner would have given more detail of how the snooping helped here, especially the bulk kind to which he alluded. Was it the means of obtaining the dirt they had on the CI that was involved here? Was there certain snooping activities that were essential to to the execution of this sting operation, or the monitoring of this guy during their sting? Was it helpful in searching twitter for this guy’s public terroristic postings? I would like to heed his warning, and hope my elected officials do as well, although it would be easier to convince my friends and community leaders of this if he would have clarified for me how bulk surveillance contributed to this case.
As I’ve said many times both here and elsewhere, the real terrorists work for the US government. These informants and their handlers seem to fit the pattern quite well. Unless there is a major change in direction, there is no hope for the US. It will descend into a major police state and will be destroyed by it’s on hubris and violence. Sometimes it a real pleasure being an old guy.
I learned from researching out these stories just how off based and pro government are the MSNBC and other main stream media. Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, all are government spokeswomen that I wish would just shut the …. up.
Progressive leftists own the totality of that MSNBC vignette reproduced above. It perfectly represents the collective IQ and production values of the progressive left.
Self-described American progressives are not the left. Nowhere near it. They are neoliberal warmongering free marketers.
You doubtless have an comprehensive state enforcement network in mind to keep free marketers under the boot.
You’re not engaging in free market activity, are you?
Imagine the Informants You Can Coerce When You Can Spy on Every Single American
https://www.emptywheel.net/2013/09/11/imagine-the-informants-you-can-coerce-when-you-spy-on-every-single-american/
Security justifies the dragnet, the dragnet trawls for “informants”, the “informants” play security theater, which justifies the dragnet.
COINTELPRO didn’t end, it became banal.
wrong thread, sorry.
Imagine the Informants You Can Coerce When You Can Spy on Every Single American
https://www.emptywheel.net/2013/09/11/imagine-the-informants-you-can-coerce-when-you-spy-on-every-single-american/
Security justifies the dragnet, the dragnet trawls for “informants”, the “informants” play security theater, the theater justifies the dragnet.
COINTELPRO didn’t end, it became banal.
Are you also claiming Steve Kornacki and Rachel Maddow and Joan Walsh and the libertine Salon.com are actually really in actuality neo-liberal?
Self described progressives are not liberals. Progressive is a cop out term for politicians with no spine who are afraid to call themselves liberal. Actual leftists don’t consider third way neoliberal warmongers like HRC as one of their own.
If you walk around wearing camo attire in BK or in Oakland or in this room, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvqHoLqgdBo#t=82, or put raised fists all over your Eric Garner march promotion material, are you a leftist liberal or a neoliberal?
Or here’s one of millions of American leftists (including your housemate interviews) who self-describe as progressive, like GA congressional candidate Russell Edwards, who’s quoted in blueamerica.crooksandliars as exclaiming, “I am a progressive Democrat and have no plans to join the Blue Dog Caucus.” He has a stridently leftist platform. So are you saying he’s not a leftist?
Or are your “progressive” vs. “leftist” semantical games now just you being too bashful to admit in print that you would impose a comprehensive net of Big Government enforcement to ensure compliance with leftist laws?
Thomas Jeffereson was a liberal. He wasn’t a leftist.
One thing that jumps out to me in this story is 2 of our “liberal” saviors –
Clinton Appointee Colleen McMahon – dutifully documenting that the government’s behavior was completely outrageous before upholding the conviction as being not outrageous.
Steve Kornacki – dutifully trumpeting government propaganda
Where would be without our brave progressives?
Progressives cannot implement compulsory participation in utopia, and impose collectivist ideals, assert mandates over the commonweal, impose agency dictats that are followed to the letter, without some form of authoritarian state enforcement mechanism.
Since 1847, the progressive left wants you to understand that these are not suggestions.
The progressive is all about the government, which is innately beneficent. And the Bigger, and the more omnipresent, and the more communicative is Government, the more beneficent. Like a good leftist organ, Steve dutifully propagates good government releases.
Keep up the good work, TheIntercept!
Just chiming in to add link to 1/14 DemocracyNow! coverage of early release of alleged “eco-terrorist” McDavid upon federal prosecutors’ admission of having withheld evidence of, in counsel Rosenfeld’s words, “as egregious a case of entrapment as I’ve seen in my entire legal career”:
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/1/14/exclusive_eco_terrorist_freed_10_years
I worry most for the members of the mosque Cornell claimed to attend.
When I first heard this story on the “news”, I was wondering how long before someone at TI would take up the case. Please stay on it, ’cause surely the MSM won’t, except to parrot official leaks that support continued trampling of the Constitution. John Boehner’s comment surely bolsters the idea that this arrest is proof that the government needs sweeping surveillance powers to keep us safe. They’re all chiming the “Lone Gunman” mantra and even resurrecting the “sleeper cell” theory to scare everyone they can. Speak up people. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the FBI had all sorts of these “conspiring to commit a terrorist act” cases lined up, just in case the public starts pushing back in support of reining in these rogue agencies.
« Subservient U.S. courts uphold the charges by applying such a broad and permissive interpretation of “entrapment” that it could almost never be successfully invoked. »
Shouldn’t “broad and permissive” have read “narrow and restrictive?” If ‘entrapment’ was defined so broadly, entrapment prosecutions would be alarmingly common, which contradicts the truth. On a more serious note …
« This is pre-emptory prosecution: targeting citizens not for their criminal behavior but for their political views. It’s an attempt by the U.S. Government to anticipate who will become a criminal at some point in the future based on their expressed political opinions – not unlike the dystopian premise of Minority Report – and then exploiting the FBI’s vast financial, organizational, and even psychological resources, along with the individuals’ vulnerabilities, to make it happen. »
… Even this gives the FBI, DOJ, and the rest of the national security state far too much credit. If they really did take after Minority Report, at least they would have enough of a conscience to preempt harm from being done despite how their efforts would be grossly misguided and counter-productive.
This is a matter of social and ideological control. People see how harshly a particular type of crime is punished and use that as a measure for how heinous the crime is. These entrapment plots result in Muslim crimes being punished more harshly than non-Muslim ones, making crimes committed by Muslims appear to be a type of crime in itself—a type of crime including crimes that are by definition more heinous than analogous crimes committed by non-Muslims. These entrapment plots, then, effectively push Muslims, and anyone else punished under the ever-expanding notion of ‘terrorism’, further towards persona non grata status in both the formal and informal social institutions of US society.
Mr. Greenwald
According to the Cincinnati Enquirer:
“……Cornell, using his alias, posted pro-jihadist videos and statements on several Twitter accounts and expressing support for the Islamic State. “I believe that we should just wage jihad under our own orders and plan attacks and everything,” Cornell wrote in an Aug. 29, 2014, Instant Message online, the FBI alleges. The FBI said Cornell wanted to commit a violent act of jihad in the U.S. to show his support for ISIL…..”
Christopher Cornell attracted attention from an informant working for the FBI. If an FBI informant can coerce someone into murder in the name of Islam, then a professional (like Awlaki) could do the same. So just because he is hasn’t fired a gun (according to his parents), that doesn’t mean he is not dangerous. The FBI is simply doing their job to prevent attacks that target innocent people for murder like in Paris. None the less, I would hope someone would try to help him rather than send him to prison for twenty-five years. His parents seem genuinely horrified. Of course, that may mean absolutely nothing. According to Mohammed Atta’s father:
“….. Atta’s father, Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta, a retired lawyer in Egypt vehemently rejected allegations his son was involved in the September 11 attacks, and instead accused Mossad and the U.S. government of having a hand in framing his son.[31] Atta Sr. rejected media reports his son was drinking wildly, and instead described his son as a quiet boy uninvolved in politics, shy and devoted to studying architecture.[105]…..”
Right. The US remains a bulls-eye for jihadists, but the American Muslim population is not a very good source to carry out attacks except for the occasional one like the Boston bombing – and that was by a pair of misguided Chechens who logically should have chosen a target in Moscow instead (Russia, not Idaho). Europe remains a hot bed for Islamism as the crackdown on terrorists returning from Syria has shown today in Belgian.
Actually Craig, there is a lot of terrorism taking place in the U.S. each day and ALL of the intelligence agencies and our congressional representatives are aware of the problem. Unfortunately, it does not appear to be cat lovers living in their parents basement. I don’t need to say more, because YOU are not the issue.
As I mentioned on November 1st, arrest need to be made OR don’t make arrests, but live with the consequences.
AmericanGestapo
November 1st?
GG went ballistic when Obama removed al-Awlaki from this planet by a drone strike. That’s the dude who in large measure inspired and caused the Paris attacks.
You can live in GG’s world, or you can kill these guys when they are a huge threat. I’m with O on this one. Love to hear GG’s take. I’ve seen nothing about this on Leftist sites. Big surprise, that!
Greenwald ‘went ballistic’ over al-Awlaki primarily because this was a situation where a US citizen was executed (along with whoever was near him, whether male, female or child) without due process, which is unconstitutional – and if this is left to accrue the stature of precedence, it will dismantle one of the few beautiful and brilliant things America has done in the realm of law. Merely saying he ‘in a large measure’ did this or that is far from convincing, at least legally – and we pretend (and some of us aspire) to be a nation of laws rather than men.
No evidence of al-Awlaki’s actual guilt has been presented to a US court, regardless of what (perhaps warranted) gossip surrounds him.
For the record, many went ‘ballistic’ over the assassination of al-Awlaki’s son, also (along with those around him at an outdoor café), as he was also a US citizen, and incredibly no gossip at all followed him whatever. He was simply looking for his dad, which US official Robert Gibbs bewilderingly chided the dead boy for, commenting that the teenager “should have a far more responsible father.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/robert-gibbs-anwar-al-awlaki_n_2012438.html
No evidence of John Wilkes Booth’s actual guilt in the killing of Lincoln was presented to a US court. So OK he was allowed to proceed. For me, I’ll support pre-emptive killing of terrorists. As for al-Awlaki’s son, eat red herrings much?
I’m just letting you know why thoughtful people get ‘ballistic’ about the loss of civil liberties, and (incidentally) about the corrupt absurdity of drone strikes and targeted assassinations by the United States. You’re free to make your own conclusions about that, but these issues are not at all ‘red herrings’ in the context you established.
Astonishing and sad to watch Americans cheer the loss of their own freedoms. Freedoms secured by this nation’s founders to secure the people from government tyranny. Rights like due process, privacy, probable cause, habeus corpus predates Magna Carta yet it is no longer guaranteed to us in America (see NDAA 2012 with its vague language) under the law. Over the ages countless people have died and or suffered horribly to secure the rights Americans have complacently and obliviously permitted the loss of. We truly are managed as effectively as a shepherd does his flock.
OK, but I’m still glad we got the father. “The Constitution is not a suicide pact”. Justice Jackson (1949 dissent).
So you are fine with murdering people because news reports and secret government proclamations say they are bad guys!? Are you out of your mind? Gullible doesn’t begin to describe you. You are digging your own grave – this kind of behavior absolutely makes your government much more dangerous than any possible foreign enemy.
Consider that government agencies have access to the huge amount of data on anybody that is collected by the public education system and essentially all communication. If the FBI is willing to go to the extent that they apparently do to entrap an individual through his vulnerabilities, it is not a huge leap to think that they and their team of psychologists could completely create his online experience and actually craft the weaknesses that will come to be exploited.
Among the things this theater accomplishes is that an agent or group of agents wind up being regarded as successful by having a case they can bring to conviction, it feeds the prison industrial complex, and though the subservient mainstream media it terrorizes some fraction of the population, guarantees more money that further erodes our civil rights and of course the influx of money ensures that the practice is self-perpetuating.
Not surprising. For all intents and purposes, the U.S. government is a device to funnel money from taxpayers into corporate (especially those profiting from war and conflict) coffers for as long as it can get away with it. This system needs–and therefore gets, thanks in large part to propagandists in the corporate media–a never-ending parade of bogeymen.
Surveillance vs Encryption:
Bad guys will quickly learn how to encrypt their messages using unbreakable code.
The average joe will learn how to employ this technology and avoid detection.
Surveillance is a short-sighted approach for managing violence.
Satire Music Video about Surveillance and Patriot Act trending in France and Europe..
youtube: “Active Member Camera”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8NY-SCbF_Y
saw this reported on one of the interchangeable morning shows…good morning america maybe? in between viral videos and vague weather forecasts they adopted their srs bsns faces and warned that the videos “are very disturbing”. they then proceeded to show a bunch of middle-age guys handing a kid what looked like uzis. the kid says “whoa!” and waves them around. then the same doughy blokes blowed up something real good and the kid wished it was gooder. color me disturbed! who knew teenage guys liked guns and explosions? get me hollywood on the phone stat!
the fbi, like the police and cia, are an answer without a question. they can see their obsolescence creeping in via downsizing of the “war on drugs” (plus a lack of genuine terror plots outside the sick minds of DC “think” tanks and neoconservatives who live off the scent of Moslem Fear) and want to keep riding the GWOT gravy train.
this also sends a message to the “future snowdens” obama says should “work within the system”. THIS is the “system” you’re supposed to work within. judges who, even when admonishing the fbi for their “minority report” capers, hand down decade-long sentences. an fbi that rivals date rapists when it comes to persistence. “no” apparently does not mean “no” when it comes to terror plots. maybe next time they’ll just roofie a kid and put an ied in his hands before submitting pictures as “proof” of an iranian-russian connection.
seriously: awesome system. good luck with that.
If I had a Delorean for every time the FBI pulled this extortion stick, I’d be back and forth from the future so fast you’ll be wondering why I never leave.
Boehner thinks getting someone to roll on another person wearing a wire is a sophisticated digital enterprise? Well..he’s got a point…
And yet McMahon upholds the conviction! Holder just put restraints on the ability of police to seize property. But what the hell will stop them from continuing to do it if judges will let these kinds of things go?
“McMAHON, District Judge:
Defendants renew a motion, made and denied without prejudice prior to the trial, to have the indictment dismissed on the ground that the Government “created the criminal, then manufactured the crime.” (Cromitie Br at 1).
There is some truth to that description of what transpired here. Nonetheless, the motion is denied.”
buzz/ Coram (below) was talking about the Judge’s extensive ‘hand wringer’ over the matter and something about rules (29 & 49?) … in a language I’m not that familiar with./
Judge weighed the motion but couldn’t find, in its narrow terms, a reason to overturn the verdict. Question is whether an appellate court might find the case repellent but, given the number of rulings upholding entrapment, it won’t be easy.
That sucks, coram nobis! *stamps foot*
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This succinct appraisal from the article seems to perfectly describe the DOJ’s use of premeditated entrapment.
It follows that the complicit players in this “legal” fiction not only include the various employees of the DOJ that initially conceived and began implementing such a scheme, the infotainment media then employed to mould and incite public opinion – and thereby poison the well of potential jurists, and the very judges that portend to be the models of impartiality and jurisprudence; all arrayed against an innocent citizen, whose only unsolicited misdeed is to express disillusion with the “sources and methods” deployed against his/her express citizen’s rights.
Folks……it appears we have a problem!!!!
“Work is love made visible.” KG
As Usual,
EA
I don’t know the truth about Cornell, but when it comes to Cromitie, I don’t think it’s really entrapment when he’s driving around in an operation for pay to put apparent plastic explosives under cars to blow people up. Unless you’re in fear for your life and just playing along long enough to escape – something he never claimed – there’s just no good excuse for something meant to murder people. I mean, if he’d picked up a fake gun, pointed it at a rabbi and pulled the trigger expecting a bang, would you still say it was entrapment and he should not be charged for it?
Your implied perception of “the truth” regarding Cromitie seems to be belied by your narrative of it, and the “fake gun” hypothetical you posit.
On a more positive note, your dissembling skills may garner the attention of the DOJ watchers in search of such talents.
Note: I did consider a serious response, but thought better of it.
As Usual,
EA
I’m going by The Intercept’s own source, linked from “repeatedly lambasted” above. The judge might have lambasted the prosecutors, but he also called the defendants “thugs for hire” who were “willing to kill and maim and destroy for money”, and he didn’t sound unhappy to sentence them. Now I do happen to be very skeptical of America’s long prison sentences in general, and appalled by the lack of interest in either rehabilitation or mercy toward those sent to them; I can’t say that it is really “right” to lock somebody up for that term no matter who it is. But if anybody were fit to go to jail for that long, it wouldn’t be somebody who was stoned and said “yeah, sure, I’m up for whatever” when an agent suggested jihad, or posted he was gonna do it on Facebook — it should be someone who was willing to physically put a ‘bomb’ under the car and set it, so that we know he was really willing to go to the point where it was too late to change his mind. Most of the time I’m bitching at the security state, so they deserve some recognition when they do things right.
A sidebar to this story. Guardian is running a serialized “Guantanamo Diary.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/16/-sp-guantanamo-diary-exposes-brutality-us-rendition-torture
There is a very troubling aspect of all of this activity of the public servants setting people up in crimes that they would not have engaged in themselves. then add the incentives including money and brownie points and understand why some of us are upset at some of the guys in NY and elsewhere. I hope the judges up there in NY and elsewhere understand why we think they are such a disappointing lot. Hopefully they will remember the people experience it in its entirety and not the little pieces of pretend that they put on for themselves. Much of it is a serious betrayal of the social contract one should have with their own government – but hey Americas is number one in incarceration with about 25% of all the prisoners in the world.
The FBI sure seems to be having alot of precrime involvement. The FBI also guns down unarmed witnesses that threaten to testify about what they know of the manufactured plots that they actually let happen. Like the Boston Marathon bombing.
Our country is so far down the rabbit hole that I don’t think we will ever get out.
Thanks for not posting my comment. We ever gonna get that “published” list of US citizens in the crosshairs of Big Brother? Yeah, I thought not.
Glenn cites Judge Tashima’s dissent; there’s this:
I’m now wondering whether these “terror” prosecutions are unique or are also a pattern in other Federal prosecutions, notably our war on drugs: convictions based on entrapment using hired stooges and jailhouse-snitch testimony. It seems a very efficient way of garnering funding and convictions so it may not be unique to Warren Terra.
From Glenn’s article:
What I was wondering is whether these entrapment practices, in embryo, were part of war on drugs cases pre-9/11, say, back to the 1980s, and lent themselves in an “enhanced” way to Warren Terra, or whether the latter is escalating entrapments in other Federal criminal investigations now.
Fun fact. Al Qaeda’s original “brand” was sourced by a shady informant, under RICO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Command_structure
Perhaps they should change their name to the ‘Federal Bureau of Instigation.’
Ima gonna steal that.
Honored if you do.
The judge does a lot of hand-wringing in the “her written ruling” bit (see hyperlink) on the Cromitie but still upholds a 25-year sentence. I gather she may have been compelled to — the Rule 29 motion was for acquittal and he was convicted, however Kafkaesque the setup. (Rule 48 does provide for dismissal, but only on very narrow grounds of delay in procedure). It’s a pity that dismissal of conviction notwithstanding the verdict — non obstante verdicto — doesn’t seem to be in the cards in Federal criminal court. Only question is how this motion would read on appeal — if the Defendant hadn’t been persuaded to waive appellate rights.
And now we have the Mommy’s Boy case which will no doubt justify expanded prosecutions and more limits on due process, not to mention a bigger budget for more stooge entrapments of this pattern. You’d think they’d find more menacing defendants, but, hey, if you could convict Marinus van der Lubbe, it’ll certainly work in our enlightened Federal criminal courts these days.
Kafka wept.
If one of “our” fellow citizens are accused of such a “heinous plot” and there’s even a shred of skepticism…. shouldn’t we be able to um… hear their side of the story? Is it too much to ask that he be allowed to speak for say an hour or two “unadulterated” to the public? I wonder why that would be such a problem, and I wonder why the public wouldn’t demand he have the right if he so chooses..
Pay no attention to huge hypocrisy behind the FBI curtain of a conditional integrity / rule of law – for the wealthy or powerful. And no questions, please.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/01/16/jim-comey-bullies-nyt-to-stop-publishing-anonymous-claims-about-drone-killings/
Someone should suggest something about The State beginning to see things – Benito’s way…
The 1% solution on steroids!
As Usual,
EA
It’s not even entrapment anymore, it’s masterminding a terrorist cell.
People devising the plan and financing the operations in a terrorist cell are usually more punished than the poor dummies who only execute orders to get paid.
Should we file a motion in the UN or the European parliament to add the FBI as a terrorist organization ?
Typo alert: “here is no evidence he had any contact with any OVERSEES or domestic terrorist operatives (the informant vaguely claim” (should be “overseas” of course).
Excellent and angering article, GG.
@ Glenn:
Typo alert in the paragraph that begins “This is pre-emptory prosecution”:
House Speaker John Boehner claimed yesterday that “the National Security Agency’s snooping powers helped stop a plot to attack the Capitol. The FBI claims that they received their information from an anonymous source. Any reasonable person examining these two seemingly contradictory conclusions might come to the conclusion that the anonymous source was the NSA?
If that was the case then he wasn’t targeted because he was Muslim. But the problem in my eyes is what occurs after he becomes an FBI target. Is he then goaded into doing something that he would not otherwise do. The case mentioned in this article was the focus of an HBO documentary last year. The movie presented the argument that these four guys agreed to participate in the fake FBI terrorism event because they were being offered a quarter million dollars. This certainly seems like a flagrant case of entrapment to me, but apparently a judge and jury felt differently. I believe the movie said they lost on appeal, but they were appealing the case to an even higher level.
There was another case this week where a person was released after 9 years in prison. The person was a teenager when he got into trouble. The FBI used a female to convince him and his friends to agree to a fake FBI-created terrorism event and apparently used the lure of sex. The defendant tried to make the argument during his trial but lost. Now, 9 years later it turns out that there was e-mail evidence to support his argument, but the prosecution never turned it over to the defense.
We as a country should not allow government officials to solve non-existent crimes and go about calling themselves heroes while locking up people who would never engage in an actual terrorist event if left to their own accord to sit and rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
The point that John Boehner makes is that we need these Patriot act enabled NSA programs to protect us. My concern is that this fake-FBI created terrorism event will sway the minds of members of Congress. Meanwhile, the actual real abuse of these programs goes completely unpublicized and unreported by the media and members of Congress become aware and listen to only one side of the debate.
Furthermore, I would like to get this idea into the heads of the intercept staff. If you watch the HBO documentary, you can see that the FBI agents took steps to help the group formulate the fake-terrorism attack. In the case of the guy arrested this week (whose picture is shown at the top of the article), did the FBI agents come up with the idea of attacking the US capitol or did 20-year-old Christopher Cornell? One could cynically argue that the FBI set Mr. Cornell on a fake-terrorism attack against the capitol, instead of some other more local target, so that people in Congress would feel personally threatened and be more inclined to vote for an extension to the Patriot Act. Meanwhile these same agencies go to great length to cover up the abuse that is occurring within these agencies.
This may seem cynical, but if you watch that HBO documentary, you will see that in that case the only reason that it was a federal crime was because the FBI agent drove the guys across state lines to buy a non-existent stinger missile. There was a law that specifically mentioned stinger missiles so the FBI agent fed them this idea (that they did not come up with themselves) so that it would meet the federal statute. The FBI agent also drove them across state lines so it would be a federal crime. And the only reason the 4 guys in the HBO documentary got entrapped by it is because they were unemployed and the guy working with the FBI was offering them 250,000 dollars to do it.
This reminds me of fire-fighters I read about who started fires just so they could put them out. There are ample famous cases of this kind of stuff. http://www.academia.edu/1052901/Firesetting_Firefighters_Reconsidering_a_Persistent_Problem–Firefighter_Arson_Research
Guys who work in the “emergency-response” business create emergencies so they can respond to them and look like heroes. How else are they going to get respect and promotions. When the world works well, the people who become unemployed are the ones who respond to these kinds of emergencies. The self-interest of people working in these professions often works against the interests of taxpayers who have to pay for all of this nonsense–and benefit more when there aren’t emergencies.
The pace of military and security staff promotions is slow during peace and tranquility. Security and military contractors don’t get paid big bonuses either. Therefore the easiest route to “promotion” and success from the self-interested standpoint of professional security personnel and the contractors that aid them is to actively stir the pot of emergencies to ensure there is enough work for everyone. This serves everyone’s interests except the taxpayers–who prosper best during times of peace, tranquility, and stability.
We have serious problems within the corporate and legal architecture of our republic. People who can profit from short-term disasters actively influence policy makers to ensure that more disasters happen. This is yet one more way in which those who have great money and influence artificially slant the world towards themselves.
Holy crap, that’s some wild overstatement, Blackout. As someone who regularly works with emergency responders, I’m telling you that the idea that they need to create their own emergencies is laughable. Only in your imagination can the world work well enough to leave them unemployed. And how do people get ahead in that profession? The answer is workplace politics, just like every other profession in America, not by TV-style acts of heroism. That study you linked to, by the way, is based on a data set of 1,213 cases of firefighter arsonists since the early 1800’s. These cases are not “ample;” they’re very rare, and that behavior is aberrant, not anywhere near typical, as you make it sound. Your generalizations might be truer in the military and securities professions, but that second paragraph is just nonsense.
“Emergency responders” are a large class of people that include more than just firefighters and beat cops. Firefighters were used as a rather ordinary example. If you get hung up on the analogy you miss the point. There are whole industries and lobbying groups devoted to promoting government spending through war and international instability: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle_%28US_politics%29 .
There is ample evidence that U.S. military contractors are involved in planning and directing activities that create crises where they are needed to respond. The subsequent operations are merely boondoggle ventures where these companies (with strong ties and influence in Washington) can profit handily.
I have firsthand knowledge of their existence and planning. You can’t tell me this kind of activity doesn’t occur. I know otherwise. It wouldn’t take much digging for someone else to uncover the same facts. It would merely take a little journalistic diligence. The whole system is dirty.
There doesn’t seem to be any agency of the Corporate States of America which does not promote
corruption.
Domestic and foreign policies pour money into the creation, development, and protection of corruptions and brutalities.
I can’t think of any area in which the democrat/republican/libertarian corporately controlled system hasn’t promoted
abusiveness and fraud.
Wow… some actual reporting based on true journalism. Of course we don’t have all the facts yet but neither does the mainstream media that has been blindly repeating the FBI’s (government’s) propaganda. This is truly the dark side “justice” and the media just want to cash in. What do we call social actors who deliberately spread lies, use propaganda and keep it’s population gripped with fear to promote one’s ideology or agenda?
“Family members say Cornell converted to Islam just six months ago and claimed he began attending a small local mosque. Yet The Cincinnati Enquirer could not find a single person at that mosque who had ever seen him before, …”
Just one point of caution, Converting to Islam is rather straightforward, and many people consider a single visit to a mosque and performing a simple ritual, to be all that is required:
For a Muslim, every action begins with your intention. Quietly, to yourself, make the intention to embrace Islam as your faith.
Say the following words with clarity of intention, firm faith and belief:
Say: “Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill Allah.” (I bear witness that there is no diety but Allah.)
Say: “Wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasullallah.” (And I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.)
http://islam.about.com/od/converts/ht/convert.htm
One way to interpret a single visit to a mosque would be to see it as the action of someone who has gotten the “idiot’s guide to jihad” off the internet and is following the instructions, and is not at all interested in actually interacting with people at the mosque who are living their faith.
…So, an important point would be…did he visit the mosque, pre or post, the commencement of the sting operation? If he does it “pre” sting, then that is a factor that puts him on the police radar (who are looking for targets), if “post” and his new “friend” suggests he convert, then that supports the argument that the sting was an example of entrapment.
I fail to see how visiting a post at all is suspicious.
“I fail to see how visiting a post at all is suspicious.”
I guess you mean mosque?
If someone, a loner, someone who fits the police’s profile of a potential violent person, takes the step on their own, to visit an mosque, without anyone there noticing, if that is what happened, if I was the police, I would think, this person, while maybe not capable of carrying out the most sophisticated plan, might be trouble of some sort, If asked “why is that suspicious?” the police might say, that such behaviour was something the suspect shared with people who had carried out violent plans in the past.
If, on the other hand, he never visited a mosque before meeting his sting friend, then, that says to me, what kind of a jihadist is he if he won’t even take what I would suggest is step one (actually becoming a Muslim) before trying to carry out violent acts in the name of Islam. Perhaps he said or did something that the police found suspicious, but without converting, on his own, I think it looks MORE like entrapment.
I’m bringing this up because of the people at the mosque who say they don’t remember him, I’m saying that this might actually not be evidence that he didn’t attend as part of the community, but rather an indication of someone going through typical steps taken by violent plotters.
…Now if you are asking me if I think visiting a mosque is in itself suspicious…..no, I don’t. I’m trying to describe what might be an overlooked point in this particular situation.
“Pre” means before; “post” means after. Pre is not a place; it’s a preposition.
We know so little about this story, it’s practically futile to comment… nonetheless, isn’t it at least a possibility that he told his parents he was going to some milquetoast mosque proudly displaying a “this facility has been suicide bomber free for [1465] days” sign in front of it, but really he was off with some heavy hitters in some other sort of religious observance?
from what i’ve gathered talking to muslim friends and associates, you can technically be a muslim just by adhering to the five pillars (one of which being the declaration you mentioned). plus i’ve heard many mosques in the states have ties to various oil state dictatorships (the saudis especially) and that kind of muddies the waters for anyone with actual spiritual intentions.
I hope both authors intend to further investigate this case. So far, there appears to be little evidence for the FBI’s case but there are more questions than answers at this point.
The Wa On Tear-A is a huge business…errr…racket. Justification for wasting massive amounts of money on the Wa will be made by manufacturing cases and throwing a few “little people” into prison for long periods of time. We are a sick, sick society. We are in our Bread & Circus days…daze. It seems that far too many of our law enforcement officials are the real criminals. The FBI officials responsible for this atrocity should be taken to task as severely as possible so that others will “get the message” that destroying others lives to justify their paycheck will not stand.
Just a tiny typo correction.
This sort of bad behavior on the part of the FBI needs to be broadcast far and wide. Even for those who are inclined to dismiss Glenn Greenwald, the others,i.e. judges, should not be dismissed.
These government agencies always seem to be going after low hanging fruit. I would not think anyone intelligent and serious about committing a terrorist act against the U.S. would be posting such intent to social media sites. The mentally ill serial killers that go on rampages know not to do it, but the FBI thinks that sophisticated terrorists plotting an attack do not? We need smarter people in these government agencies.
I’d normally agree, but in this case, the guy has a long beard. Case closed. ;)
AND a pet cat. You know who else had a pet cat? Muhammad. I think we can throw away the key.
Oh, shit: I have a cat, too! I guess we constitute a terror cell.
Great reporting! I agree 100%. Please keep up the good work…this country needs you!
Also, I resent the implication that being a “crazy cat person” is a sign of weirdo-loner-loserness. You know what? Plenty of nice, normal, productive, God-fearing citizens sometimes talk to their cats and then hold their cats up like cute furry little Muppets and make the cat answer back in a comical voice and that is TOTALLY FREAKING NORMAL, do you understand me?! Ahem. (Stands up, tries to look dignified). That is all.
If I liked cats, I wouldn’t be advertising the fact over the internet. In the new age of surveillance, it is best to maintain an online profile which won’t attract undue attention. In fact, I would recommend subscribing to one of the online persona management consulting firms. They use advanced algorithms to determine what constitutes ‘normal’ behavior and then they tailor your online activities to match it.
What?! Liking cats is abnormal behavior?? Hmph. I don’t know if I can believe a word you say now.
Defining normal behavior is much harder than people imagine. At one time, it was de rigueur to post a photo of one’s cat on the internet. But after a while, that seemed to suggest a deficient social life. So people began posting more photos of themselves at parties. However, in a number of instances, that sent the wrong signal to potential employers. So people began posting pictures which advertised their civic engagement and contributions to the community. Soon however, this began to seem staged and contrived.
So it’s best to hire a professional PR firm, who can maintain the delicate balance between maintaining a public profile, while retaining a modicum of personal privacy. But I realize that not everyone can afford to do this. So in that case, my best advice is simply to avoid being yourself.
…. Geez! This purported commenter has developed his own public profile, obviously avoiding himself [?]
I keep repeating this, but here again is another well-intentioned “intercept”…
This publication appears to know the game plans and strategies, repeated time and time again to advance the FBI ground game, and do a report after the fact, but the problem is that the ball still gets hiked and the Quarterback keeps completing his passes to the intended receiver, and advancing on the field while being defended by teammates [gov spokespersons and media sycophants] and everybody in the stadium cheers!
It’s nice this parent has the savvy to speak up for his son with the personal details …. to help inform the media about another fake operation to disinform the public
You are hilarious.
Isn’t it absolutely astonishing that engaging in any discussion with anyone on-line, that involves the use of words discussing alleged illegal activity, immediately causes the conversation to be monitored and stored for future observation, and or use, by several government agencies, as well as collected and stored by numerous corporate marketing sites, in the ordinary course of business.
I wonder how attorneys feel, these days, knowing full well that any legal strategy discussed on-line, is recorded and could very well be sold to the opposite side, for millions, depending on the size of the loss that might be avoided.
Seems to me, we have crossed the Rubicon, here in America, and there is no turning back.
Government, Congress, all branches, and all of its agencies have been bought and paid for, and the citizenry are so cowed they have no will left to object. This was the plan, beginning decades ago, and brought to fruition through perception management, and the creation of fear, which the state magnanimously protects against.
We are back to the days of feudalism, the .01%ters hold the reins, and they are positively sure it is their absolute right to deal with their serfs howsoever they wish.
It’s appropriate for witch hunters to assume that the cat is a co-conspirator. It worked in 16th Century investigations, so of course the Attorney General might conclude that the presence of cats has a suspicion of guilt.
wow…so they’re going after people who talk about cats on the internet? i guess the conservatives are right – we DO need more prisons. i look forward to hearing about taylor swift’s “orange is the new black” hijinks behind bars.
We all have to draw a line somewhere, Benito. How can life be worth living if you can’t post a Facebook picture of your pissed-off cat glaring at you whilst donning the elf hat you made her wear for Christmas? Did not Patrick Henry himself proclaim to the heavens “Give me ridiculous cat memes or give me death!” ?
I guess sweet 70’s with Yusuf Islam/ Cat Stevens is over now.
Mohammed was a big cat lover. If you turn yourself in now, you will be tortured less than if you wait for the tanks to show up at your door. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
“Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was tender and kind towards cats. He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) appreciated cats. Hazrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) ‘s favorite cat was called Muezza. There is a well-known story regarding the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and Muezza.”
THE LOVE AND IMPORTANCE OF CATS IN ISLAM
http://islam.ru/en/content/story/love-and-importance-cats-islam
“Hear and attend and listen; for this befell and behappened and became and was, O my Best Beloved, when the Tame animals were wild. The Dog was wild, and the Horse was wild, and the Cow was wild, and the Sheep was wild, and the Pig was wild–as wild as wild could be–and they walked in the Wet Wild Woods by their wild lones. But the wildest of all the wild animals was the Cat. He walked by himself, and all places were alike to him.” Rudyard Kipling
“…..waving his wild tail and walking by his wild lone.”
Chlorpromazine, for some reason your alias and avatar image make me very uneasy. But I’m sure you’re a very nice person.
Anyway, some arresting images from a Syrian Jihadi’s instagram feed, including, “the cats of Jihad:”
http://chechclear.tumblr.com/
Saw the kittens with guns at link and the rest… Quite odd.
Don’t know if you can make out the avatar but it is a wonderful image taken on a mobile phone of a protester executing a perfect flying kick into a riot policeman (i believe taken in Brazil)…
Chlopromazine: A chemical straight jacket, attacking the central nervous system..
…another one for your mind control collection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHOCmVmRoU&list=PLF216A4F50963CD28
Chlorpromazine, that video is blocked so I can’t see it — but best wishes to you…
“Nephrite hypnotizes Naru” was a manga short youtube clip.. Not as funny as mind head.. plays fine in uk.
try this one instead:
Palestinian Woman defeats Israeli Commandos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la3iR2Hkz2E
Cheers, best wishes back
Lol why the heck is your avatar name Chlorpromazine?
Ah I see people had already gotten to the cat jokes before I did…
Yes, it’s important for journalists to investigate claims and stories thoroughly, but that includes both sides. Above, TI (and, in fact, a large number of news outlets, despite all the talk of them being so pro-government) seem pretty comfortable reprinting the claims of Cornell’s dad, without much scrutiny or skepticism. I think it’s pretty safe to say that going to the dad of someone who has been accused of a crime and asking him whether or not his child is guilty will result in a predictable response, in many cases.
Aside from which, this is someone who allegedly wrote (wrote, meaning that information should be verifiable) things like “I believe we should meet up and make our own group in alliance with the Islamic State here and plan operations ourselves,” and “… we already got a thumbs-up from the Brothers over there and Anwar al-Awlaki before his martyrdom and many others,”.
It may be fair to say, based on what I’ve read in the news, that Cornell was the equivalent of a troubled kid who fills notebooks with violent artwork and writes stories about shooting up his school, but may or may not have gone any further with it without finding an enthusiastic ‘partner’ – informant or otherwise (because it sounds as if he was looking for them online, just without much luck). Given his abrupt change in personality to rather paranoid themes in high school, it also makes me wonder if he was suffering from undiagnosed mental illness. So in a perfect world, I would rather see such people receive treatment and rehab than jail time.
Come on, you can’t seriously claim that the dad’s statements aren’t being treated with scrutiny and skepticism. So we have the government saying this kid was about to commit a terrorist attack, and the dad saying he was entrapped. And what angle has the media taken for this story: “Ohio man arrested for plotting terrorist attack,” or “Ohio man possibly entrapped by FBI”? It’s obvious which direction the skepticism is going.
Exactly.
Is it just me or should all of these mainstream media news sources be held somewhat accountable? Their position and reliable ignorance is a large participatory factor.
leftahead and avelna – can you quote for me, specifically, which sentences in the above article show “scrutiny and skepticism” of the dad’s statements?
I’m not quite sure what you’re basing that statement on so I’d need to have a better idea of that before I can respond.
not the above article. every single headline in every news source that every single person sees. That’s all the vast majority of the public will ever see and they know it.
That’s kind of off topic regarding the question I asked, though. My question was a direct request for the specific sentences showing “scrutiny and skepticism” of the dad’s claims.
@Nic – I picked up on some similar things.
But first, Glenn can cry and whine about the perceived shortcomings of the media all he wants, but at the end of the day, he fills his articles to the brim with links to these same media entities’ work to bolster his narrative. In essence, he condemns the media when their headlines or content fails to align with his predetermined narrative, but quietly links to them to strengthen his argument when they do. He gets the best of both worlds.
That’s certainly possible. The one thing Glenn gets right in this article is that we SHOULD be skeptical of these sting tactics, especially if money was promised or given to suspects such as the Cornell kid, even just to purchase the weapons. I agree that the FBI’s sting operations need to be independently reviewed, and it sure did not take Glenn’s article to reach that conclusion. Where Glenn’s argument here gets predictable and shows that he isn’t a skeptic but actually a cynic is his immediate advocacy for the suspect. Cornell is instantly painted as just some aloof, unemployed kid, living with mom and dad. Descriptions of him are presented as facts while the government’s claims are clearly labeled “allegations.” We learn he is a gamer who says “mommy,” has a best friend cat, and was characterized as a quiet, typical student. Basically, he is a harmless dolt. But Timothy McVeigh had similar characteristics and also did not have a significant prior criminal record. Let’s pretend Cornell ended up pulling off this plot without the FBI knowing. Would the news really be a surprise? Would it be significantly different than when we found out found out that the Boston Marthon attack included then 19-year old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev!?
As you picked up on, Glenn glosses over the key elements of the criminal complaint, leaving us to do the actual reading. He does not mentioning any specifics that would reflect poorly on Cornell, and only dives into specifics to fuel his predetermined narrative (pointing out that the informant cooperated with the FBI in order to obtain favorable treatment.) Glenn does not quote any of Cornell’s comments such as his belief that “we should just wage jihad under our own orders and plan attacks and everything.” Glenn doesn’t mention the allegations that Cornell saved money to fund the attack, researched the targeted government buildings in DC, researched the construction of pipe bombs, and researched the cost and sourcing for firearms and the ingredients for pipe bombs. And incredibly, Glenn didn’t mention the FBI claims that “On or about January 14, 2015…Cornell purchased and possessed a firearm, namely 2 Armalite Inc., Model M-15, 5.56mm, semi automatic rifles…and approximately 600 rounds of ammunition, with the plan to travel to Washington D.C. and kill employees and officers working in and around the U.S. Capitol.”
Tim McVeigh was *not* like this kid. Remember, McVeigh was a soldier. The idea that the Federal Building is a military target and that taking out innocent people getting their Social Security cards is acceptable “collateral damage” – that terrorist doctrine comes straight and unadulterated from the U.S. military. And I maintain an open mind about whether they put a chip in his ass. :)
timmy was NOT a soldier. he were a 71L. that’s a radar o’reilley to most.
Nate
“…..As you picked up on, Glenn glosses over the key elements of the criminal complaint, leaving us to do the actual reading. He does not mentioning any specifics that would reflect poorly on Cornell, and only dives into specifics to fuel his predetermined narrative (pointing out that the informant cooperated with the FBI in order to obtain favorable treatment.)…..”
Good comment, Nate. Glenn repeats the same claims over and over with the same predictable result. He posted this while at Salon in 2010 (“The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot”):
“……But it may also just as easily be the case that the FBI — as they’ve done many times in the past — found some very young, impressionable, disaffected, hapless, aimless, inept loner; created a plot it then persuaded/manipulated/entrapped him to join, essentially turning him into a Terrorist; and then patted itself on the back once it arrested him for having thwarted a “Terrorist plot” which, from start to finish, was entirely the FBI’s own concoction……”
The “hapless” Muslim defense. Sound familiar?
Nate – thanks for the additional info, that’s actually more than I knew from a quick Google News search of this kid. Again, I would rather see rehabilitative efforts being taken for people who are thus-far not actually violent, but it sounds as if Cornell was not some innocent who was “peer pressured” into doing something either.
As to the issue of ‘entrapment’ – I think that is perhaps one of the stickiest areas regarding the criminal justice system and free speech. Because it is an issue that depends, to my mind, on the difference between planning / talking about a crime given certain circumstances, and actually committing one. To think of an extreme example that stands out in my mind in an awful way, there was Geoffrey Portway, who fantasized about and seemingly planned on becoming a child torturer and cannibal, but never actually hurt or abducted a child. Given the steps he had taken, do we as a society want to defend free speech to the point of saying “Well, let’s wait until he actually kidnaps, rapes, and eats a child before taking action”? On the other hand, if a wife leaves an abusive husband and he threatens to kill her, it seems that in general the worst he can expect is a restraining order. There are a million shades of grey in between.
I do not think there is a clear-cut answer there, the best I can say is that I think such decisions should be made democratically and that the standards we agree upon as a society should be followed carefully. But I think these issues underlie whether or not you view something as ‘entrapment’. If we say, essentially, that societally we want to arrest people for criminal intent in certain cases, prior to an actual crime, then setting up scenarios to ‘check’ for that intent is really a method of sussing out what is already there, in the way you might open the trunk of a car to see if someone is carrying drugs.
For further evidence that supports the viewpoint of the authors of this article, please see: “INVENTING TERRORISTS: The Lawfare of Preemptive Prosecution”, A study by
Project SALAM and National Coalition to Protect Civil Freedoms (May 2014), Written by Stephen Downs, Esq. and Kathy Manley, Esq.; Lynne Jackson, database designer;
Jeanne Finley, editor .
Nic, I think I read Cornell was diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder, which would have made his parents’ life no picnic.
*lives
Ah, yes. Steve Kornacki. What a dude, eh? Falling upwards at the speed of light. Having forgotten more than he ever knew, he is an FBI ventriloquist’s dream.
“Something has to be done to justify all that terrorism spending. For all those law enforcement agents with little to do, why not sit around and manufacture plots to justify those expenditures, giving a boost to their pro-surveillance ideology to boot? Media outlets have a responsibility to investigate the FBI’s claims, not mindlessly repeat them while parading their alarmed faces and scary graphics.”
That sums it the wholly manufactured/phony ‘terror’ war fairly well. Go back to the planning for C.O.G. (REX84) from the ’80s through the ’90s, and you’ll find the blueprint for this phony war. C.O.G. plans supersede constitutional law, were secretly enacted Sept 14 2001 (documented citations can be found in Kean’s now largely disavowed whitewash commission tome) and has been re-signed into effect every yr since by both empty suit/script-reader ‘presidents’ of the deep state. We’re a de facto police state, one mass casualty false flag away from more overt implementation.
A beautiful piece on practice that’s long been troubling.
It’s a bit distressing to witness the lethargy which has overtaken the once dynamic United States.
– Terrorists who live in their mother’s basement and can’t be bothered to lift a finger unless someone else provides a target, transportation and weapons.
– Police who can’t be bothered to investigate actual crimes (which are difficult to solve), but instead select an easy target as a suspect, use the script from a TV show to craft a crime scenario, pay the suspect to endorse it and then schedule a press conference to announce the arrest and take their bows.
– Journalists who can’t be bothered to investigate the actual story, but just sign off on the press releases provided by the FBI.
It seems like everyone is just going through the motions. The US desperately needs a pivot to Asia, to create an enemy who provides a real challenge – an existential threat. That would get the juices flowing again and hopefully awaken the US from its lethargy.
Greenwald and Andrew Fishman ..excellent article.
Entrapping these social misfits not only justifies the inflated budgets of these security agencies, but also keeps the for profit penal system well stocked with long term customers.
As for the mainstream media, it’s a complete joke. Anyone watching CNN ( any reputable network that employs a clueless fool like Don Lemon as one of their marquee faces, can’t be taken seriously) or Fox or MSNBC or any other cable news channel, will plainly see that these “news” outlets have decided to disseminate news as entertainment. The endless parade of “experts” , talking heads shouting at each other…after a while anyone watching these pompous shills, while gradually become even more dumbed down than they were before.
While I’m all for skepticism in the “war on terror”, we should be careful not to overreach. The FBI did some things in the Bronx plot (Cromitie) that were clearly the right things that I would want to see as a juror: they actually had the defendants plant plastic explosive, pick up a real fake surface-to-air missile, and work together in furtherance of an apparent terrorist plan. Definitely I have grave reservations when police go after people for thought crimes, hypothetical crimes, crimes where it’s a matter of guesswork if the person agreed over the phone to move half a ton of marijuana or two tons. But when it comes to defending against armed, hostile foreign organizations, we can’t expect defenders to limit themselves to deterring crimes committed for free out of misplaced idealism. Sometimes they have to show that it’s a bad idea to sell yourself out as a hired thug too. Even idiots had better keep this in mind, unless you can prove they are truly too idiotic to have been any practical use at all – after all, how often do we read about a friend or neighbor actually killing someone for $1500? If these entrapment defenses haven’t protected people in drug deals where the enforcement won’t really prevent any net damage to the country in the long term, why should they protect you if you’re agreeing to kill people?
I’m not saying there isn’t a lot rotten in what’s going on in law enforcement, but for a better government we need to put up a better dissent.
not sure where these terrifying “armed, hostile foreign organizations” actually come into the picture. funny how the fbi doesn’t seem to mention them outside of some vague “he made foreign phone calls” allusions now and then.
Sad how MSNBC seems to have eaten SK’s brain since his days at Salon with Greenwald.
An “unrelated crime.” Likely this is some crime uncovered by the NSA with their illegal wiretapping, and thus, unable to use it in a prosecution, they’ve sanitized it by using it to ensnare someone else.
You hit the nail on the head.
The government is “saving” us from “terrorist” plots that would have never existed were it not for the government itself.
Terror false flags (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QynchCojTzM), online false flags (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/;http://www.dailydot.com/politics/hammond-sabu-fbi-stratfor-hack/; http://theantimedia.org/hacker-sabus-sentence-reveals-strategy-in-us-war-on-information/; http://www.nigelparry.com/news/sacrificing-stratfor.shtml; http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/03/08/federal-bureau-of-facilitation-what-was-the-fbi-doing-with-stratfor-and-wikileaks/?wpmp_switcher=mobile; http://beforeitsnews.com/libertarian/2011/12/anonymous-denies-stratfor-hack-inside-job-1555813.html; http://cryptome.org/2014/12/sabus-cbs-interview-cameron-14-1209.pdf; http://infosecisland.com/blogview/23364-Sabu-Incited-State-sponsored-Attack-for-US-Government.html; http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/25254/hacking/sabu-helped-feds.html) and budget-justifying self-fulfilling prophesies by the power hungry and abusing faceless bureaucrats who know no limits in regards to their abuse and breaking the law to enforce it – against people that who, if left alone, would likely not have committed the *government* initiated, plotted, and materially assisted plots and crimes they were charged for.
Not only can the Oceana, I mean Five Eyes, surveillance Leviathan *not* track actual bad guys (as the Charlie Hebdo atrocity proved) because it is bogged down with so much information (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/02/surveillance-state-spying-nsa-702-fisa-amendments-act) of innocent citizens, it has absolutely no oversight as the concept of checks and balances in the US is not even an afterthought anymore.
Things will only get far worse before they get any better.
The railroading of Jeremy Hammond (http://news.firedoglake.com/2014/06/05/new-evidence-shows-fbi-setup-jeremy-hammond-to-break-law/), and the sham, contrived security theater trial of journalist Barrett Lancaster Brown is all the proof one needs to see just how low and far into a police state the US has fallen, and what the template for future, unconstitutional – and not just psychopathic and sociopathic, but deeply Orwellian – judicial norms will be for dissenters the government doesn’t like and is quasi-legally monitoring in the future.
We have a government that pays $10 million in tax dollars for an out-of-control bureaucrat to live out his childhood fantasies (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/edward_snowdens_moral_courage_20140223) while overtly subverting the Constitution of the United States of America, Bill of Rights; openly robbing all U.S. citizens of their 4th Amendment rights as well as rights under law and rights under the color of law (Title 18, Part I, Chapter III, Sections 241 and 242), illegally blacklisting from employment and building online / social / psychological profiles on citizens over their political opinions (http://www.scribd.com/doc/162321199/2161-docs#page=32), just making up rules as they go along – frequently breaking more laws than the ones they are ostensibly enforcing via patsies – under the rubber stamp of the FISA court and pro-police state, pro-political show trial judges like Iraq lie-based invasion and 9/11 whistleblower Susan Lindauer and Jeremy Hammond presiding Judge, Loretta Preska.
Nobody’s hearing this article, everyone sees the headlines and that’s it, and that’s all they’re concerned with.
So, where are all the stings to get Goldman Sachs cogs to go for some insider trading? Just keep going at the targets endlessly until they’ve hit a financial rough spot. This happens, right?
Its not just Muslims who are being targeted for entrapment because of their views or to serve as examples. Federal agents entrapped Douglas Gene Williams, a white, 69-year-old former police officer and air force veteran, because he publicly offered training and information on how to pass (or beat) a polygraph test. He’s been doing this for more than three decades now. But federal polygraph operators didn’t like what he was doing and hatched a plan to silence him. He’s now faces a five-count indictment (each count punishable by up to 20 years in prison) for training two undercover federal agents posing as customers how to pass a polygraph test. His trial is scheduled to begin in April 2015:
https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2014/11/15/doug-williams-indicted-for-teaching-how-to-pass-a-polygraph-test/