John Kiriakou is the only CIA employee to go to prison in connection with the agency’s torture program. Not because he tortured anyone, but because he revealed information on torture to a reporter.
Kiriakou is the Central Intelligence Agency officer who told ABC News in 2007 that the CIA waterboarded suspected al-Qaeda prisoners after the September 11 attacks, namely Abu Zubaydah, thought to be a key al Qaeda official. Although he felt at the time that waterboarding probably saved lives, Kiriakou nevertheless came to view the practice as torture and later claimed he unwittingly understated how many times Zubaydah was subjected to waterboarding.
In January 2012, Kiriakou was charged by the Justice Department for allegedly and repeatedly disclosing classified information to journalists. The Justice Department accused Kiriakou of disclosing the identity of a CIA officer involved in Zubaydah’s capture to a freelance reporter. The reporter did not publicly reveal the official’s name, but his name did appear on a website in October 2012. Kiriakou also allegedly provided New York Times reporter Scott Shane information on CIA employee Deuce Martinez, who was involved in Zubaydah’s capture and interrogation.
After agreeing to a plea deal in October 2012, Kiriakou was sentenced in January 2013 to 30 months in prison. That sentence made him the second CIA employee ever to be locked up under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which bars the release of the name of a covert agent; the first was Sharon Scranage, who in 1985 pled guilty to disclosing the identities of intelligence agents in Ghana after giving classified information to a Ghanaian, reportedly her lover.
Kiriakou is not without support from former colleagues. His friend and former boss, Bruce Riedel, sent a letter to President Obama, signed by other CIA officers, urging him to commute Kiriakou’s prison sentence. That did not happen.
A father of five children, Kiriakou says the CIA asked his wife to resign from her job at the agency immediately following his arrest, and he is in major debt from his legal fees.
Kiriakou is is scheduled for early transfer out of federal prison in Loretto, Pennsylvania on February 3. In a wide-ranging phone interview with The Intercept, Kiriakou, 50, shared his thoughts on the Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA interrogation techniques, on his incarceration, and on his future after prison.
You don’t have access to the internet in prison, so have you been able to see just one page of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report?
Well, my cousin ended up printing the entire thing and sent it to me. Yeah, he sent it to me in five different envelopes.
So was there anything in the report that surprised you? Did you feel even more despair at being the only CIA officer jailed since the program came into existence?
One thing that I think most everybody has missed is, we knew about the waterboarding, we knew about the cold cells, we knew about the loud music and the sleep deprivation. We knew about all the things that have been ‘approved’ by the Justice Department. But what we didn’t know was what individual CIA officers were doing on their own without any authorization. And I would like to know why those officers aren’t being prosecuted when clearly they’ve committed crimes and those crimes were well documented by both the CIA and the Senate Committee of Intelligence.
One thing that certainly was an eye opener, even to close observers of this program, was the brutal treatment of these prisoners. The tragic death of Gul Rahman, an Afghan, comes to mind.
Gul Rahman is probably the best example. The man was murdered in cold blood, so where’s the prosecution? You come home, you murder somebody in cold blood, you get a promotion and a $2,500 bonus. That is not the message we ought to be sending.
There have been some who have tried to exempt George W. Bush from any blame from the program. They claim that he knew about the specifics in 2006, as the report mentions. Do you agree with that assessment from those defending him?
That’s just simply not true. They knew about it all the way up to the top. I remember sitting at a meeting with one of the top three officials at the CIA when the program was approved. And throughout the conversation, he kept on saying, “I can’t believe the president signed off on that program. I can’t believe it.” He kept saying it. Because it was so radical and violent that even internally we didn’t think there would be permission forthcoming. And there was. And it got out of hand, and it was a slippery slope and the ball kept rolling down the hill. And the next thing you know, we’re killing people.
As a CIA agent for 18 years, what is your summary of this program from both an operating perspective and a moral one?
When I was in the counter terrorism center, an official came up to me and asked me if I wanted to be certified in the enhanced interrogation techniques. And I said, “Look, I have a moral problem with this. I think there’s a slippery slope, I think somebody is going to get killed. There’s going to be an investigation. And a bunch of people are going to go to prison, and I don’t want any part of it.” And ironically, I was the only one who went to prison.
After almost two decades of service, can you talk about the most stressful situation you have been in?
I came within a quarter of a mile of being killed. Twice, twice, I have survived assassination attempts. Once in the Middle East, I wrote about it in my book. And then in Greece. And in Greece, instead of killing me, they killed [British military attaché] Stephen Saunders because he was a quarter of a mile ahead of me [in June 2000]. And they said in their communiqué that they saw me in my car but they knew it was armored and that I was armed. And Stephen Saunders was just in his vehicle he shipped from London and he didn’t have a gun on him. And they killed him instead.
I’ve devoted my whole entire, adult life to the national security. And I’ll go to my grave knowing that I did the right thing.
Now that you have seen the report, did the “rectal hydration” shock you as another detail you didn’t know?
Sickening. I can’t imagine under any circumstances a justification for something like that. There are ways to hydrate prisoners, there are ways to provide nourishment for prisoners who are on hunger strikes. It’s not by shoving hummus up their asses. That’s not how you provide nutrition for somebody that’s in your custody. That was shocking to me.
Another startling detail was the $81 million dollars given to a company set up by two psychologists, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen. Did you know anything about these two figures?
I remember those guys very well. They had two little offices in the back. The counter terrorism center is a very, very enormous office. It’s a cubicle farm. Everyone else is in a cubicle. But there are private offices around the edges, along the walls. And those guys just sort of showed up one day and got private offices. And yeah, we were like, who were these guys? They’re not even blue badgers, they’re not even staff employees. They’re green badgers, they’re contractors. And we were told, don’t ask questions about those guys.
Did the gruesome conditions at the Salt Pit and other torture sites surprise you?
I had no idea. That was a revelation. I actually took a tour of the new Bagram prison when I was with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Man, that was a nice place. It was great. In many ways, it’s better than what we have here [in Loretto]. But the fact of the matter is that we weren’t housing prisoners in that prison. We were housing them in a dungeon on the other side of the base that has been called a ‘salt pit.’ There were atrocities taking place at the ‘salt pit.’
That fancy prison that we spent millions and millions of tax payer dollars on is completely empty.
Editor’s note: The Bagram detention center was closed in December 2014. It remains unclear what the balance of prisoners was between that facility and the so-called “Salt Pit,” a CIA black site, when both were operational.
Jose Rodriguez, the former director of the CIA’S National Clandestine Service, apparently went against the wishes of his own agency’s lawyers over adequately screening potential interrogators. When they expressed concern over his selection process, he replied, ‘It is simply not your job.’ What are your thoughts on this?
He’s the worst of the worst. With Jose Rodriguez especially, here you have a guy who made the decision to make the tapes… He’s the one who ordered the tapes be made of CIA officers torturing first Abu Zubaydah and others after him. And then he gets promoted to deputy director for operations and he makes the decision to destroy the tapes after being specifically told by (then Senior Deputy General Counsel) John Rizzo don’t destroy the tapes. And he did it anyway. There’s no fallout or punishment. There’s no nothing.
Editor’s note: It’s been reported that the decision to tape the CIA interrogations “was made in the field.” The tapings began taking place roughly around the time Rodriguez became director of the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center. Rodriguez said in a 60 Minutes interview, “The reason why we taped Abu Zubaydah was because….we wanted to show the world that we actually had nothing to do with his death.” It’s not clear if he personally decided to make the tapes.
After the House Intelligence Committee heard closed testimony from Rizzo, the committee’s senior Republican member, Peter Hoekstra, stated of Rodriguez, “it appears that he got direction to make sure the tapes were not destroyed.” At the time, Rodriguez’s lawyer disputed that account, saying that “nobody, to our knowledge, ever instructed him not to destroy the tapes.”
Advocates of the detention and interrogation program, like Dick Cheney, continue to publicly defend the CIA programs, and have labeled the torture report as a partisan witch hunt. He has also said they would still implement the program if they had to do everything all over again.
The reason why these guys are on TV all the time, aside from the fact that the corporate media allows them to be, is that torture is their legacy. When their obituaries are written, their obituaries are going to be about torture and their role in it. And they’re desperately trying to spin the story to make it seem like they were patriots and not criminals. It’s utterly nonpartisan. The Senate Committee on Intelligence used primary source information. They used the original CIA cables to come up with this report. Those cables are not partisan, those cables don’t tell one side of the story. The cables are the actual information written as it was happening. So to call it partisan is just simply untrue. It’s not partisan. What’s partisan is that a certain group of political leaders doesn’t want the organization, the agency, to take responsibility for their actions.
You told the RT network in 2013 that you would lose a lot of friends inside the CIA for your actions. Has that still been the case?
I was wrong in what I said to [RT host] Abby Martin. It turned out that the number of CIA friends who walked away from me, I can count on one hand. I’m going to say three dozen CIA officers have written to me here and almost all of them are regular correspondents. My former colleagues at the CIA have rallied for me. It’s been wonderful. Now a lot of them can’t use their names. Some of them are undercover, some of them just don’t want the heat. But they’ve been wonderful. I just have no complaints at all. And some of them are senior CIA officials.
How are your children doing? Do they have the main idea about the decisions you’ve made and what has happened to you as their father?
My two older boys are in college. One’s finishing his senior year at Ohio State and the other is at Cleveland State as a freshman. So they saw all of this, the whole process, and they understood what was happening. But even my little kids (as well). I have a ten-year-old boy, and eight year old girl and a three year old boy. The ten year old and eight year old have very hard felt opinions on things like the FBI and torture. They saw the FBI completely surrounding our house 24 hours a day just like I did. They aren’t blind. They saw the FBI come into the house and take all of our electronics. Had the FBI following us to Target, Applebees and to church.
So what does a former CIA agent do after getting out of prison and no longer being able to work for the agency?
As part of this conviction, I lost my pension. I had $770,000 saved in that pension. And it’s just gone. So, I’ve got to start rebuilding. And I still owe my lawyers almost a million dollars.
I have a temporary job when I get out, doing some business development work for a medical group. But it’s just a temporary position. What I’d like to do is go to a think tank. I like to write and speak and teach, and I think that’s the best fit for me. I got to take things slowly, get back on my feet again. But it’s been hard.
Photo: Cliff Owen/AP
This country, which not so long ago was the beacon of freedom in a troubled world, now has a new “leader”; no, not in leadership, not in intelligence; not in decency nor in any of those platitudes which drew so many people to our shores in the past 300-plus years. Our newfound “leadership” relates directly backward to mankind’s primitive, animalistic, vile, needlessly cruel predecessors like the cannibals, the medieval torturers (their first cousins) and the Repug-nicans like Bush the idiot(choose either one) and the worst piece of detritus ever deposited on the planet, an obvious reference to “America’s answer to Adolf Hitler……Dick (a most appropriate first name) Cheney!
Until we cease indulging our weakness for vileness, don’t waste your time on “hope”……it’s limited to those of us who stood tall in better days…..like WWII !
Sorry about that……..SUCKERS !!!!!!
I understand that you’re mad, but the name-calling is really not helpful. It will only serve to encourage more bad behavior.
I think more name calling is in order. Let’s call the war criminals out as what they are. I include Obama in that long list. Maybe if we call the murderers, torturers, kidnappers and war criminals out with that description, then the sheeple will wake up and demand action. So far the corporate media still treats them like decent human beings–a big mistake.
Sometimes you really have to be stupid to do the right thing. I admire John very very much, but his moral fibers is borderline stupid.
This bears repeating, specifically because providing venues like this, although absolutely necessary for those like Mr. Kiriakou et al., simply isn’t enough to both encourage effective whistle-blowing and to then protect those who do so from financial ruin or imprisonment:
“I would humbly suggest that the billionaire philanthropists that fund this site and others like it set up a self-perpetuating legal defense fund (with attorneys as well as money) for folks like Mr. Kiriakou, Mr. Snowden, Mr. Binney, Mr. Drake, et al. who have performed most admirably as citizens on our behalf.
The amount of funds needed, while overwhelming to these as individuals, would be not so much for these wealthy philanthropist’s – and the financial and legal security offered to those already compromised by the overzealous security-state and those who may yet be “in the wings” waiting to disclose is long overdue.
That these philanthropists haven’t seen to this rather business-like part of the solution of adversarial reporting is an astounding oversight on their part – and it’s time to set it right.”
“In the same way that you’re driven in your business to keep innovating…think about doing that in philanthropy.” – Pierre Omidyar, Publisher of First Look Media
Over 3/4 of a million dollars in his pension for 18 years? And you wonder why CIA people do it? Stealing it from him definitely sends his compatriots a message. No wonder “… some of them just don’t want the heat.”!
Maybe the message should be like one that should be given to people joining the military. You’ll get good training for the fight, but once out, if injured or in need of any treatment, you could wait years, end up jobless and homeless, and you’re on your own. For CIA and other government employees it could be, if you are a person of integrity and conscience, and follow moral and legal laws, you are on your own. Lose your pension and get stuck with huge legal fees.
I wrote a letter to President about John Kiriakou in 2003 about this CIA hero. No response from the president, but would like to share the letter with The//Intercept readers. http://osintdaily.blogspot.com/2013/09/president-obama-please-give-conditional.html
He’s not a patriot. He’s a liar. He lied about torture working on ABC in 2007. He lied the waterboarding being only once. He lied about Abu Zubaydah giving up great intelligence. He may have even lied about any conversation he said he had with Abu Zubaydah.Put two and two together.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/04/01/the-spy-who-said-too-much
First drugs, than torture. That is a fact. So all the information given by those prisoners is nothing but lies under worst conditions.
The info given by CIA prisoners is false. Even our government has pretty much admitted that in reports, by clearing former CIA prisoners. Kiriakou is a little behind the curve in that respect. He claims to have had conversations with Abu Zubaydah that led to good information. This is false, particularly if he’s talking about the so-called “dirty bomber” Padilla and those rendered by the CIA for this so-called “dirty bomb” plot. Kiriakou has been sugarcoating theCIA rendition program since 2007. This is hardly a hero or a whistleblower.
If you want to help someone, save it for the innocent victims of the CIA’s rendition programs. There are 100s. Some still in Gitmo. Some cleared and on the webs. Maher Arar, Moazzam Begg and many others.
Kiriakou is not a victim. He spread false information that the right wing used to say “torture worked.”
Mr. Kiriakou is a bit like me, I guess. People love to tell me frankly everything about their lives, even their most painful experiences. It is hard to stop them. As a psychologist I was taught not to judge if they lie or not. It does not matter. Something does matter. Maybe. For Americans money is important and the truth and to be a patriot. I am still looking for an european patriot. But that is not what the Americans want. They want to rely on their allies. They want their help but the europeans prefer to save it for the innocent victims of the CIA programs? No, of course they don´t. They want to be a reliable ally. This is hardly a hero.
Maybe so. In fact, that’s pretty much his job description. But the fact he went to prison for it makes him about the most honest man in the Bush administration.
No it doesn’t make him the most honest man in the Bush administration. It makes him a war on terror mythos supporter.
And he went to prison for leaking names and emails and addresses with no intention of whistleblowing, since he’s still sugarcoating torture. Long after the government made tacit admissions of wrong doing. He merely confirmed and then said “torture worked.”If he anything he caused trouble for the journalists and lawyers. And time would have given them those names anyway.
So you think time is a reliable ally? It can be a real troublemaker too!
I didn’t say “time was a reliable ally.”
In fact, Kiriakou has done nothing but obfuscate crucial issues surrounding Abu Zubaydah, and by extension those who were supposedly kidnapped and tortured based on his so-called “good info” from AZ. Which makes sense, because supposedly he never had the interview with Abu Zubaydah that he claimed to have. When by contrast you have lawyers, journalists, govt documents (including recent senate report ), and AZ in his own words during military tribunal and diary saying everything to the contrary.http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/mar/30/guantanamo-abu-zubaydah-torture
As for the Bagram part, you have 100s of interviews to counter the gee-whizzyness of above.
The bottom line, from The New Yorker article mui1 linked to:
Which matters more: Kiriakou’s motives and his reliability, or the fact that, however inelegantly, he helped to reveal that a sitting President ordered international crimes? Does the emphasis on the messenger obscure the message? “Whistle-blowers’ motives are often complicated,” Jameel Jaffer, of the A.C.L.U., said. Disclosures that are in the public interest, even if they are made for selfish reasons, deserve protection nonetheless. “The truth is that the New York Times’ motives were also complicated when they published the Pentagon Papers,” Jaffer said. “At the end of the day, without national-security whistle-blowers who are willing to risk their careers, or more, in order to expose government abuses, we really wouldn’t know very much about these extreme policies that were put in place under the last Administration.”
I disagree. As I said. He did not whistleblow. He confirmed the existence of a program that was already reported. And he lied about it and promoted torture. But go ahead with the fake hero stuff.
Not to mention, it’s moronic to cherry pick that one part of the article, when it’s more than possible knowing about Kiriakou’s total fiction (book, interviews etc.) may very well have been damage control for the CIA –in case we forget all published before 2007 —and had nothing to do with whistleblowing.
Great questions, Andrew.
While it is terrifying John Kiriakou is in prison for being a true patriot and for essentially blowing the whistle on torture, it is a little comforting to know that dozens of his colleagues, including his former boss, have stood by his side. Of course, it would have better and more courageous of them, if they had rallied for him before he was sentenced to prison.
Regarding “EIT’s” and drugs, according to Professor Mark Denbeaux, director of Seton Hall University School of Law’s Center for Policy and Research, which has just published the new report,
“Guantánamo: America’s Battle Lab”:
“… that phrase [“America’s Battle Lab”] caught everyone’s attention. And so, the first thing that we looked into was, what were the experiments there? And we were able to find and discover some of the laboratory experiments were there, including giving them drugs that would cause psychotic breaks for up to 30 days as soon as they arrived, and a variety of other things that were given to them over a long period of time.
…The drug they used [mefloquine], they claim, was to used to help with malaria. However, there is no malaria in Guantánamo, there is no malaria in Cuba and every person who was brought there had already had a medical examination in Afghanistan and was proven to have no contagious diseases. So, it was a psychotic, really, inducing drug, which had been used for considerable period of time by other sources in order to break down the state of mind of the people.”
Thanks to Cindy for providing a link to “Did Gitmo ‘Suicides’ Cover Up Murder? US Sergeant Speaks Out on Deaths and Prison’s Secret CIA Site” from Truth Out. Like Kiriakou, the sergeant featured in this article, Joseph Hickman, is a courageous man and a true patriot.
[Note: I posted an almost-identical comment to this one last night that never appeared, perhaps because the comment contained 2 links.]
When you join the CIA you sign a confidentiality agreement which states you won’t disclose confidential material or information. — some person down yonder in the thread.
Our resident government sycophant was being slick in not specifically mentioning oaths. Barry Eisler, a former CIA employee, wrote about this back when people like him were bleating about Edward Snowden’s confidentiality violations:
More where that came from…and from someone who lived it, instead of someone just exercising the limitless fantasies common to the wet dreams of authoritarian worshippers everywhere.
https://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/barry-eisler-on-the-oath-cia-employees-take/
Thanks for posting that, Pedinska. CraigSummers’ crap load has no limit, because his endless stupidity and dishonesty causes him to be impervious to being called out. He never stops repeating the same incorrect shit no matter how many times he has been proven to be full of nothing.
quote”..and from someone who lived it, instead of someone just exercising the limitless fantasies common to the wet dreams of authoritarian worshippers everywhere.”unquote
Damn. Another Samurai sword of truth cuts the head off of any and all comebacks from the authoritarian worshippers. Now..burn the corpses of liars to ashes.
Thanks for posting that link, Pedinska. Glad you took the time to try to set the record straight. That statement I also found quite incongruous and remembered that a Mr. Daniel Ellsberg also addressed this. Of course you’re a bit ahead of me :-)
Here’s the Ellsberg link for anyone wishing to (re)visit it:
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/01/09/secrecy-oaths-and-edward-snowden
quote”John Kiriakou is the only CIA employee to go to prison in connection with the agency’s torture program.”unquote
I’m not holding my breath, but if there is any power on earth to prosecute these depraved sub-human cockroaches, this should give them the evidence to put a shitload of them in prison, notwithstanding the torture report. All I know is SOMEONE is responsible for torturing human beings with impunity and they can’t get away with it. One way or another..
http://guantanamodiary.com/
Mr. Jones, is there a fund set up to help Mr Kiriakou with the bills? Some conscientious commenters here brought the matter up…
Here’s a way to donate.
https://secure.firedoglake.com/page/contribute/keep-kiriakous-home?default_amt=25&PHPSESSID=3egpt7agsiienk0kbq14nfrsj2
Thank you.
Billionaires and multi-millionaires are not safe…they are only safe for now. They can provide whistleblowers with a fund to assist with legal bills out of a sense of moral obligation or out of self interest. I believe the ultimate goal is to get direct control of the U.S. military and it’s enormous budget, without any pesky interference from our completely bought off Congress. One person one vote will be completely irrelevant…once they pass enough laws to completely erode any civil rights protected under the Constitution. They are already in the process of pre-emptively profiling and covertly taking out anyone who might resist.
The tactic of divide and conquer is working very well in the United States. As is the erosion of faith in any government institutions, you just need to buy enough government employees to give the perception of complete corruption. Once the citizens completely lose faith in the government and it’s institutions, that sets the stage for a “strong man” to take over to restore order, employment etc…These tactics are nothing new, they have just been refined and honed for the digital age.
Please, can someone at the Intercept let me/us know if there is some way to reliably contribute to a fund to help him and his family. Thanks.
Kiriakou is a liar and a sleaze. Was he in Thailand with Abu Zubaydah? According to his 2007 ABC interview he suggest he was. According to his book he was back in VA? Did torture work? According to his 2007 ABC interview, it did after Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded once. Later he says didn’t know about the other 82 times and backstepped quite a bit..What sort of Great Intelligence did Kiriakou get from Abu Zubaydah in Thailand(?) even though he later says he wasn’t there? We assume he’s talking about numerous false plots including the Dirty Bomber, for which Padilla was tortured and imprisoned on a brig and numerous other individuals were taken into CIA custodiy, rendered to Morocco and other places and tortured, including Binyam Mohamed. Binyam Mohamed has since been cleared and compensated. If that’s great intelligence, John’s talking about, he’s completely full of sh*t and guilty of aiding and abetting torture as the next CIA creep. What other persons has Kiriakou maligned? Aafia Siddqui for one, on ABC when he worked as a consultant. Was that when our great left hero also worked at Liberty University? At any rate, Aafia has been given a rotten deal. Next off. John toured Bagram. His info on Bagram seems to be completely off, as is this interview. Apparently he missed the 15 year old w/a gun shot wound they hung on the wall. Apparently he missed the hundreds of prisoners who’ve given much info to the contrary on Bagram. Apparently he didn’t notice that Abu Zubaydah was missing an eye and some body parts either between Pakistan and Thailand, because he was never there. He lied. He lied to the CIA review board, but apparently that’s business as usual. Whether or not his “autobiography” is fiction or not. He’s in no way credible. If the FBI got fed up with him, that’s not the lefts’ problem. He’s a socipathic liar and that is all. In other words, he’ll be a great addition to a right wing think tank, which he’ll no doubt get a job at. Shame on you, Intercept, for publishing this nonsense. And shame on you, for promoting this war on terror “hero” who spins mostly for the benefit of the CIA.
I hold the Government responsible for this. They need to make clear which laws they intend to enforce.
quote”I hold the Government responsible for this. They need to make clear which laws they intend to enforce.”unquote
Hahahahaha! YOU hold the government responsible??? Yeah..well please tell us EXACTLY what the fuck you plan to do to enforce your power to hold them accountable, hmmmmmm?
sheeezyus .. grasshoppers..
Mr. Kiriakou, I know it is not my place to say this but I would like to tell your children what they already know: that to see the true face of courage, they need look no further than the face of a man they call dad.
Financial difficulties will impact all in the family no doubt, but what the family has, and will always have – honour – is far more enduring. And way priceless. Thank you Sir.
For what thousands of innocent Americans are going through as we speak as they suffer under remote versions of torture, please read my documentation and refer your colleagues to the URL.
http://freedomfchs.lefora.com/topic/7442322/nanodevices-in-sensory-overload-mind-control-torture
Thank you Mr Jones for a great interview.
Someone has the balls to defy the US….maybe:
http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-court-blocks-extradition-u-over-torture-concerns-115453140.html
I hope their airplanes do not start disappearing in flight…
They do want war at all costs and they do get war at all costs. Expensive so expensive. Money is not everything? All the best for Mr. Miriakou and his family.
The CIA is committing terrible crimes by using the MK-ULTRA- The mind control experiments never ended and are being used on innocent people from all nations-
They are enslaving people via their Mind Control Microchip Implants and transforming them in “sex slaves” and criminals that are been used to help them bring in thei Illuminati NWO- many are victims, I am jusst one of their very first victim of this most inhumane crime ever done to Humanity I was implanted with the CIA/NAZI microchip almost 5o years ago , they have used my mind and my life to test that evil technology robbing from me my own mind, my own thoughts and my future. Where is the justice is this planet? WHO IS THE AMERICAN CIA COVERING FOR? WHO IS THE AMERICAN CIA REALLY WORKING FOR?
To John I have a message- I HA THE GREATEST ADMIRATION FOR YOU, YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL THE TRUTH- YOU ARE NOT A CIA COURD LIKE MANY THAT WORK INSIDE THAT ORGANIZATION FROM HELL, AND ARE USING INNOCENT PEOPLE’S MINDS AND BODIES TO PROFIT FROM .
I WISH YOU JUSTICE , YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT FAVOR TO HUMANITY BY TELLING THE TRUTH AND TURNING AGAINST EVIL.
The link below will tell you more about the most evil inhumane crime ever done to humanity.
https://plus.google.com/115811456631227984431/posts/Y12zXVZQAD7
You have the courage to speak out. This will help break the conditioning.
You are free and you are you.
You are the best of people, for you have fought the good fight and survived.
good wishes from one who has lived the life of survival.
Dont worry about physical implants. The psychological implants are the real enemy.
You have within you the means to overcome.
It wont be long till Prince Andrew is confronted by the “sex kittens” he orgied with and the whole procedure comes to light.
Then you will see you are not alone.
You are courageous and I wish you well.
What a brave and courageous person John is. If there is one ray of light in this whole thing, its the realisation that the real enemies are corrupt elements in government, media, academia – all doing the bidding of their paymasters. Its becoming more and more difficult to pit country against country – despite the best efforts of black operations to divide and conquer. The current elites in Europe and America and their servitors are in trouble ,- and they know it. It remains to be seen whether the military will blindly follow orders from Washington or whether they will refuse.
Andrew, thank you for the fine article. John Kiriakou, thank you for your courage and honesty.
A President who was anything but a stooge for the worst elements in the country would have given you a leadership role in the agency. Too much to hope for, I guess. I would like to see many of your friends in the CIA follow your example and serve the country instead of doing the work of fascists like Brennan.
TI’ers:
Laura Poitras visits Tavis Smiley – fine interview. Thought it might be of interest.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/filmmaker-laura-poitras/
Thank you. (For those with restricted bandwidth usage, the video only used about 100 MB total).
You’re quite welcome, Nemo…
Always glad to be of service…
I fear a lot a other other countries would have treated Mr Kyriakou as badly as the US have, but I can’t think of any that would have stolen his pension as well. That’s a disgrace. Has anyone started a crowdfund (Kickstarter/Indigogo or similar) to pay some of that back ? We wouldn’t manage raise the whole amount, but probably enough to fund him for a year or so while he gets his life back together.
What a fine article. Outstanding journalism.
Well done Andrew Jerell Jones.
Investigative journalism on a worthy subject.
I particularly like the editor’s input.
This is how you do it Intercept.
Full marks.
This guy deserves crowd funding and someone that understands how to make it happen needs to take it on. This fellow is a breath of fresh air when those in management of our security forces range from distasteful to downright ugly. Brennan is an example.
“This guy deserves crowd funding and someone that understands how to make it happen needs to take it on.”
Absolutely.
I agree, we need to help him pay his bills. Quite a guy.
I would humbly suggest that the billionaire philanthropists that fund this site and others like it set up a self-perpetuating legal defense fund (with attorneys as well as money) for folks like Mr. Kiriakou, Mr. Snowden, Mr. Binney, Mr. Drake, et al. who have performed most admirably as citizens on our behalf.
The amount of funds needed, while overwhelming to these as individuals, would be not so much for these wealthy philanthropist’s – and the financial and legal security offered to those already compromised by the overzealous security-state and those who may yet be “in the wings” waiting to disclose is long overdue.
That these philanthropists haven’t seen to this rather business-like part of the solution of adversarial reporting is an astounding oversight on their part – and it’s time to set it right.
“In the same way that you’re driven in your business to keep innovating…think about doing that in philanthropy.” – Pierre Omidyar
our criminal government.
Mr. Kirakou –
You have my utmost regard and respect for your principled stand. I join with others in thanking you for your service and your sacrifice. My best wishes to you and your family for a better future. I hope you continue to speak the truth. We need more like you.
Thanks, Mr. Jones for a great interview.
kiriakou should file a lawsuit for malicious prosecution, wrongful conviction … and theft of his pension
It’s interesting that disclosing classified information to the press simply discloses it back to the very intelligence agencies from whence it came. Latest Snowden revelation via the Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/gchq-intercepted-emails-journalists-ny-times-bbc-guardian-le-monde-reuters-nbc-washington-post
And still the argument for having such overreach in surveillance of everything somehow never becomes uncircular.
The government having access to journalist’s emails (without a warrant) is in many ways related to the problem illustrated in this article (where the person who exposed government torture was the only one to go to jail): The government values secrecy over all else – including human decency.
I am very sorry for your incarceration, associated legal bills and the effect on your family.
If you were stationed at the Counterterrorism Center, then you would know about Trapwire and the direct video feeds directly from Penn Station, Grand Central, Times Square etc…
How is it that stalking/harassment groups are able to dress in their uniform “du jour” camouflage, khaki, kelly green, bright blue and harass “targets” directly beneath not only NYPD surveillance cameras, but also direct feeds to the Counterterrorism Center. Also, have you heard of any psychologists/psychiatrists devising psyops programs to be deployed against the American public. I’m not saying it’s the CIA, I’m just saying I know that they know exactly who is running the program. And if you were stationed at the CTC, then you probably know.
Once again, I am very sorry for all you have sacrificed and suffered. But innocent Americans are suffering all across this country due to “field testing” and I think you probably know this is true.
For Bonneville, and anyone else interested in the subject. This is ‘We Are Change’ interviewing, whom I know you (Bonneville) personally respect, from other discussions.
*Ralph Nader on Clinton vs Rand in 2016 and Libertarianism*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsOt6ncXBdU
I may have expressed respect from some of what he’s done in the past–you’d have to point to a conversation–but Ralph still doesn’t get that crony capitalism, and the Big Government-corporate feudalistic state–is still fully nourished and enabled by the heavy taxation that he supports.
Government is not “the people”; its agency is almost a separate self interested entity–a conglomerate unto itself, with its own need to preserve budget and income and growth. One of the concepts progressives never understood about single payer is that they’d be paying to a monopoly corporation as government, with no more accountability than they observe in other arenas it controls, and they’d be just as oblivious about their drops in personal income.
His views on Rand are the same as yours, and as I’ve indicated in the past, he has a right to appeal to supporters of the Israeli state at the same time he votes against NDAA and USA PATRIOT Act. You and Nader think he’s now Peter King because of that. Rudkowski interviews all kinds of powerful and influential in the spectrum of politics to get their views on ‘tape’ when they’re in proximity.
His views on Rand Paul are not actually ‘the same’ as mine, and I do not deny you your right to disagree with Nader.
He uses the words ‘corporatism’ and ‘militarism’ to identify the essential problem with US corruption. This, certainly, I agree with.
Far from asserting that you should agree with Nader simply because Luke interviewed him, in reality I just thought the source would be respectably familiar to you.
Your wording was a little ambiguous; I went over it about three times before I responded. I apologize for the assumption, and for not getting it right. I do respect We Are Change.
chronicle calls our attention to:
“’The reason why we taped Abu Zubaydah was because . . . we wanted to show the world that we actually had nothing to do with his death.’”
Helluva quote, ain’t it?
‘We dint do nuthin to his eye, neither. Ain’t nobody got no evidence sez we did.”
John Kiriakou is what patriots should be but seldom are: an honorable man, from insider circles, speaking truth to power.
I think he’s the only CIA officer who has ever been the subject of requests for support in my inbox. He’s certainly the only one I’ve ever supported without hesitation.
Stand-up guy.
Excellent interview. I wish him well. Unbelievable what people have to endure these days just to maintain their professional integrity.
Off Topic: But this is remarkable. I did not know that this documentary existed. Snowden’s Great Escape — Wikileaks etc.
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Informative Video (Bandwidth usage: 125.8 MB @ 144p resolution) .
The important message of the video is that Mr. Snowden would not be as free as he is without Wikileaks and I think some others and I may have not appreciated that fact enough.
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“FIJA [The Fully informed Jury Association] works to:
“• Inform potential jurors of their traditional, legal authority to refuse to enforce unjust laws
“• Inform potential jurors that they cannot be required to check their consciences at the courthouse door
“• Inform potential jurors that they cannot be punished for their verdicts
“• Inform everyone that juror veto—jury nullification—is a peaceful way to protect human rights against corrupt politicians and government tyranny”
Thanks for sharing that, bonneville. More from their website:
“Nothing in the U.S. Constitution or in any Supreme Court decision requires jurors to take an oath to follow the law as the judge explains it or, for that matter, authorizes the judge to “instruct” the jury at all. Judges provide their interpretation of the law, but you may also do
your own thinking. Keep in mind that no juror’s oath is enforceable, and that you may regard all “instructions” as advice.
Understanding the full context in which an illegal act was committed is essential to deciding whether the defendant acted rightly or wrongly. Strict application of the law may produce a guilty verdict, but what about justice? If the jurors agree that, beyond a reasonable doubt, the accused did act as charged, then “context becomes everything” in reaching a verdict you can live with. Credit or blame for the verdict will go to you, so be
sure to ask the judge how you can pose questions to witnesses, so that you can learn the complete context, should the lawyers fail to bring it out.
When they believe justice requires it, jurors can refuse to apply the law. Jurors have the power to consider whether the law itself is wrong (including whether it is “unconstitutional”), or is being applied for political reasons. Is the defendant being singled out as “an example” in order to demonstrate government muscle? Were the defendant’s constitutional rights violated during the arrest? Much of today’s “crime wave” consists of victimless crimes–crimes against the state, or “political crimes”, so if you feel that a verdict of guilty would give the government too much power, or help keep a bad law alive, just remember that you can refuse to apply any law that violates your conscience. Prosecutors often “multiply charges” so the jury will assume the defendant “must be guilty of something”. But one of the great mistakes a jury can make is to betray both truth and conscience by compromising. If you believe the defendant is not guilty of anything, then vote “not guilty” on all counts”
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong”
– Voltaire
John Kiriakou’s incarceration is a glaring example of of the overt farce our legal system can become when too many of those who portend to administer it violate the very laws they are sworn to enforce; and regard those who actually demonstrate felty to their oath to uphold our laws and defend us against our domestic enemies as expendable pawns.
Thank you for you courage and moral convictions John Kiriakou, and a pox on those who have treated you so poorly!!!
“Work is love made visible.” KG
As Usual,
EA
Great piece! The Intercept is going on my daily reading list.
Excellent interview. There appear to be some good and brave people in the CIA, just apparently not enough. It’s probably also that way with the NSA, FBI and so on. Kiriakou says there is “a certain group of political leaders” that “doesn’t want the organization, the agency, to take responsibility for their actions,” and I think it is this situation more than anything else that allows corrupt behavior in these institutions to both persist and happen with impunity.
It makes me wonder whether the recruiters for the CIA. NSA etc. are actually instructed (by the “political leaders” he mentions, which I believe is quite a large group) to find fearful but talented company-loyalists who won’t rock the boat, instead of brilliant individuals who would fearlessly defend the Constitution – though thankfully it’s evident that, even if this is the case, some noble people get under the wire.
On the omnipotence and unerring ways of our intelligence agencies and torture:
“All this was indispensable,” replied the one-eyed doctor, “for private misfortunes make the general good, so that the more private misfortunes there are the greater is the general good.” While he reasoned, the sky darkened, the winds blew from the four quarters, and the ship was assailed by a most terrible tempest within sight of the port of Lisbon.”
— Voltaire, Candide
“The healthy man does not torture others – generally it is the tortured who turn into torturers.” (Carl Jung)
Back in the day when the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the CIA’s predecessor during World War II, actually did more harm than good – with the Operative Mr. Jung, aka “Agent 488″ apparently practicing what he preached, so to speak.
Seventy years later and most western and world societies have now actively embraced the idea of torture, extralegal wars and it’s decriminalization and monetization. The US and it’s 5-Eyes allies, in particular, forgo any notion of trials for war crimes such as those that were had at their behest in Nuremberg after the WWII – making hypocrisy the worlds new-found credo.
“Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system.” – Dorothy Day
I believe I put in my last comment that President Obama (who I voted for) has become practically indistinguishable from Dick Cheney. President Obama needs to get off his ass and immediately pardon John Kiriakou. Republicans are never going to respect President Obama, but he is also completely losing all respect from Democrats like myself.
Luckily real leftists like Joan Walsh and Salon.com and The Guardian and Rachel Maddow and Steve Kornacki and David Letterman still respect him.
“real leftists” Now, that shit’s funny.
Mr. Kiriakou epitomizes the rare human conditions encompassed within one individual; those of courage, honor, integrity, morality, and conscience while sacrificing his productive years of life and savings for altruistic goals.
As a former federal employee who was forced into early retirement because of attempts to confront governmental double-standards in law enforcement and exhibiting far, far less selflessness — while maintaining his pension and savings — I am humbled by this exceptionally selfless man.
I believe that Mr. Kiriakou anticipated the new administration would embrace a legal framework for the GWOT. Unfortunately for him, President Obama doubled down on the policies initiated under Bush. So he was left high and dry as the lone voice for morality – and as most moral campaigners do, promptly found himself in jail.
Anyone in a similar situation would do well to remember the words of Macbeth, “I am in blood Stepp’d in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er”. You must always move forward and never look back. If you think about it, the CIA couldn’t possibly function any other way.
OK, I thought about and remembered the Church committee. The CIA was forced to look back. It changed for a while.
A covert agency needs some breathing room – its mandate is to produce results using underhanded means. If you’re going to constrain it to act legally, you may as well get rid of it altogether. The result of the Church Committee, as described by one source:
Now that it’s been unleashed, it’s producing terrorists at an unprecedented rate and the national security business is booming.
Quoting Stephen Knott musts leave a bad taste in your mouth. Yes, all that excitement after 9/11 about how the CIA would have stopped the tragedy if only it was allowed to break the law more often was just designed to get business as usual rolling again–and cover up the fact that nobody put the pieces together when they should have.
This being from a ten year old opinion piece, it shows explicitly that apologists for the CIA, more executive branch “control” and the alleged need for secret, unaccountable warmongering in the first place simply have it all wrong. From the summation of the piece:
“The response to the disaster of September 11th starkly reveals that members of Congress are quite adept at invoking “plausible deniability.” They are often the first to criticize, and the last to accept responsibility, for failed U. S. policies and practices. Oddly enough, a restoration of executive control of intelligence could increase the potential that the president, or his immediate deputies, would be held responsible for the successes and failures of the intelligence community.
The absurdity of arguing that “It’s OK, because all of the presidents did it” goes even further, noting that:
“But this is a secondary consideration, for only by restoring the executive branch’s power to move with “secrecy and dispatch,” and to control the “business of intelligence,” as Alexander Hamilton and John Jay put it in The Federalist, will the nation be able to deter and defeat its enemies.”
Because that’s how an informed representative democracy should work – trickled down, with redactions, and no accountability or testability for whether the secret government is performing its tasks in any way that demonstrably benefits the American taxpaying public.
Interestingly, psychologist Carl Jung (aka, OSS Agent “488”) sums up this “bogeyman” coping mechanism to unknown and secretive fears which is demonstrably inherent in the CIA/NSA as follows:
“This condition ensures a primitive health of the psyche, which, however, immediately becomes lack of adaptation as soon as circumstances arise calling for a higher moral effort. An individual [or group] who is more guided by unconscious than by conscious choice tends therefore towards marked psychic conservatism. This is the reason the primitive does not change in the course of thousands of years, and it is also the reason why [these groups] fears everything strange and unusual. (From Commentary on the Secret of the Golden Flower)
quote”…and as most moral campaigners do, promptly found himself in jail.”unquote
Much to Mr. Scumbag Mussolini’s delight. Meanwhile, he’s celebrating his mother’s suicide tonight by burning the last remaining photograph of her body laying on the floor after writing her plea to God to forgive her for birthing Benito… the result of her drunken orgy with a stray dog.
http://www.infowars.com/anti-establishment-movie-director-found-dead/
Shouldn’t a proper CIA interrogation technique end with the word “protocol.” All this talk about “enhanced interrogations” and no talk at all about drugs. The Blah-blah protocol. Sodium Pentothal Protocol or something.
With the CIA involved, drugs can’t be far away. Yet somehow, they are strangely missing from the official narrative.
they could not have resisted the temptation to experiment……..
they had the lab rats.
Great questions, Andrew.
Regarding “EIT’s” and drugs, according to Professor Mark Denbeaux, director of Seton Hall University School of Law’s Center for Policy and Research, which has just published the new report,
“Guantánamo: America’s Battle Lab”:
“… that phrase [“America’s Battle Lab”] caught everyone’s attention. And so, the first thing that we looked into was, what were the experiments there? And we were able to find and discover some of the laboratory experiments were there, including giving them drugs that would cause psychotic breaks for up to 30 days as soon as they arrived, and a variety of other things that were given to them over a long period of time.
…The drug they used [mefloquine], they claim, was to used to help with malaria. However, there is no malaria in Guantánamo, there is no malaria in Cuba and every person who was brought there had already had a medical examination in Afghanistan and was proven to have no contagious diseases. So, it was a psychotic, really, inducing drug, which had been used for considerable period of time by other sources in order to break down the state of mind of the people.”
Thanks to Cindy for providing a link to “Did Gitmo ‘Suicides’ Cover Up Murder? US Sergeant Speaks Out on Deaths and Prison’s Secret CIA Site”
And of course, thanks to real patriots, like John Kiriakou and Sergeant Joseph Hickman.
To John Kiriakou: thanks for your service and for your personal sacrifice..good luck to you and your family. I wish I were in a position to help you out somehow.
Kiriakous’s letters from prison are available here: Firedoglake All are well worth reading.
Mr. Jones
He is bitter, but principled. He also understood that he was breaking the law. He just had a lousy escape plan. His prison sentence is warranted under the law.
But since enforcement of the law is selectively aimed at those who embarrass the agency rather than at those who harm people, he has good reason to be bitter. The CIA fought hard to hide the full torture report and to redact the names of those involved in law-breaking. The CIA isn’t against its employees breaking the law; the CIA is against its employees showing how dishonest, hypocritical, and inept the agency is.
quote” His prison sentence is warranted under the law.”unquote
Well then shithead, so is the entire Bush/Obama cabal including the CIA/NSA/FBI/DEA etc. They ALL have been proven to..ahem..”break the law”. Now go crawl back into that cesspool you crawled out of,shithead.
“…….Well then shithead, so is the entire Bush/Obama cabal including the CIA/NSA/FBI/DEA etc. They ALL have been proven to..ahem..”break the law”. Now go crawl back into that cesspool you crawled out of,shithead……”
When you join the CIA you sign a confidentiality agreement which states you won’t disclose confidential material or information. In addition, if you know anything at all about the CIA, you understand they have a history of illegal activity which every President is aware of including illegal spying, coups and training insurgents or governments for counter-insurgent activities which can be quite brutal. We ship suspected terrorist to brutal governments for interrogation (at least since the first world trade center attack). We know all of that so why wouldn’t someone who has worked for the CIA for 18 years? Suddenly, he develops a conscious?
Using waterboarding could not have shocked anyone working for the CIA. Like Snowden and Manning, he chose to break the law to reveal what he lawfully had said he would not. I think in this case, the CIA would have done well to suspend his sentence, but then you fringe left whiners would have cried that he was getting preferential treatment.
Fuck you dickhead.
Thanks.
Does this ‘confidentiality agreement’ you mention supersede the oath to preserve and protect the Constitution?
By the way, your phrase “Suddenly, he develops a conscious” contains a mistake I’ve been seeing all over. The word is “conscience.”
It is an interesting mistake. You have to try hard to be conscious only of the crimes committed by whistle blowers rather than everyone from the top down. If one were to write “conscience”, it might impossible to suppress awareness of one’s own.
Thanks for your response Cindy
“……Does this ‘confidentiality agreement’ you mention supersede the oath to preserve and protect the Constitution?…..”
Kirakou is in prison so the simple answer is “yes”. It’s not really easy to answer emphatically “no” on your question when it comes to national security. The CIA and NSA make a living working outside of the law. For example, the CIA/NSA obtains information illegally by hacking into Chinese (government-controlled) corporations. Who is going to argue that illegally obtained information about Chinese missile systems (and other military hardware) isn’t important.. The same can be said for the Chinese intelligence agents who are very interested in US military technology. Are drones legal in warfare such as Yemen and Pakistan? Maybe, maybe not, but I support their use especially in Pakistan against the Taliban where the ISI give the Taliban a safe haven to plan attacks against NATO troops and Afghan civilians (75% caused by the Taliban).
So it might seem really simple to say you support “preserve and protect the Constitution [at all costs]” – unless you are faced with decisions involving national security, or Pearll Harbor, or 911 In my opinion, a President must be willing to step outside of the bounds for the safety of Americans (which every single one does when it comes to gathering intelligence).
Craig ILoveMassMurder&MassSurvellance Summers
That must explain why not one-single-solitary-attack was stopped from the NSA surveillance program. Right?
Craig – ‘faced with decisions of national security…’
The existential difficulty in making this call is a good point, as far as it goes.
Realistically, though, people like you will put the establishment first, while people like me will put principles first.
Which is probably why they hire people like you.
Kitt
“……That must explain why not one-single-solitary-attack was stopped from the NSA surveillance program. Right?…..”
That could be true….I don’t know. There have not been many successful terrorist attacks on American soil since 911 which is a credit to the security agencies (and a couple of bungled attacks). A story out of the New York Times explains the importance of bulk collection of phone metadata (regardless of past results; “Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection”):
“…..WASHINGTON — A federal study released on Thursday concluded that there was no effective alternative to the government’s “bulk collection” of basic information about every telephone call made in the United States, a practice that civil rights advocates call overly intrusive.
Last year, after the former intelligence contractor Edward J. Snowden revealed details of the government’s vast data-collection enterprise, President Obama asked intelligence agencies to assess whether there was a way to get at the communications of terrorism suspects without sweeping up records of all calls made and received inside the United States, including their length and other identifying information.
On Thursday, the National Academy of Sciences, in a detailed report that brought together communications and cybersecurity experts and former senior intelligence officials, said that “no software-based technique can fully replace the bulk collection of signals intelligence. But it also concluded that there were ways to “control the usage of collected data” and to make sure that once it is in the government’s hands, there are stronger privacy protections.”…….”
There goes the main stream media again, reporting what no one wants to hear (at this site), but there might be a happy medium when it comes to privacy and bulk collection.
Thanks.
“……Realistically, though, people like you will put the establishment first, while people like me will put principles first. Which is probably why they hire people like you…..”
If putting the “establishment” first means objecting to an industry (like banks), then find something you agree with, However, I don’t think that is true about companies and principles (well at least most of the time). I work in the mining industry in the US, and mining companies simply cannot operate they way they used to operate. Principled environmental people familiar with the laws governing safe and environmentally compliant practices are a premium to work in many parts of the US. Of course, there are always companies that bend the rules (in any industry). And of course, there is human error. Plenty of folks would love your principles though.
Thanks.
You posted that right after reading and then quoting what I quoted, “not one single solitary attack was stopped from the NSA surveillance program.” So, your sentence quoted above must be your way of saying, ‘that’s my story and I’m sticking to it,’ because that doesn’t make any sense at all.
Kitt
You must think no one is trying to attack the US which makes no sense in reality. US intelligence monitors air travel and keeps a no fly list in part developed from work with other intelligence agencies including governments in the Middle East. The US works with other intelligence agencies world-wide. US intelligence was warned by the Russians about the Boston bombers. Intelligence agencies in Europe profile and monitor extremist Imams who use “free speech” to radicalize youth. They are added to the (no fly) list – and monitored.
Phone metadata may not have prevented or exposed a single attack (again, I don’t know), yet certainly potential terrorist are exposed through their connections and then monitored or put on the no fly list. To say that the intelligence agencies have not prevented a single attack using metadata doesn’t mean that they have not used a lot of other measures to deter or prevent attacks on US soil.
Finally, as was reported by the Intercept, phone metadata was used to prevent attacks in Afghanistan which has saved NATO military lives and the lives of Afghan civilians – so what I said makes sense Kitt.
Thanks.
Nice try, Craig, but no cigar. No confidentiality agreement or security clearance provides cover for failure to report illegal activities. It’s just like when I was in the military (were you?): I am obligated to carry out any and all legal orders. Note the word “legal”. I am, just as is any employee of the Central Intelligence Agency, under a sworn oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. In case you haven’t read it, it proscribes cruel and unusual punishment, and there is no caveat exempting anyone, either as a torturer or as a victim.
On the other hand, I must congratulate you on writing such an articulate post. Might I surmise you learned English composition from Fox News?
These days, the authorities are the ones who might be illegal. It’s their prerogative, you see.
“Using waterboarding could not have shocked anyone working for the CIA…” – CraigSummers
Not true. At his confirmation hearing, Mr. Brennan had this to say:
“C.I.A. Director Brennan tried to distance himself from the agency’s recent past, explaining that he told C.I.A. colleagues his “personal objections” to certain enhanced interrogation techniques, such as “waterboarding, nudity, and others,” although he “did not try to stop because it was, you know, something that was being done in a different part of the agency under the authority of others, and it was something that was directed by the administration at the time.”
In other words, all he’s doing is following the Obama edict to “look forward, not back,” which, as Cindy and others here have rightly and repeatedly pointed out, is no protection from upholding the Constitution.
This isn’t even a denunciation – it’s a collective hand-wringing, and it’s fucking pathetic.
“Denouncing evil is a far cry from doing good.” – Philip Gourevitch
a contract to commit crimes is unenforceable, as are its provisions……………….
Craig, I somehow do not believe that your ‘concious’ would be offended if the CIA were to ship the ‘terrorists’ to some dark dungeon and simply ‘gas’ them up? Would you really oppose that?
I’m not sure how the CIA is structured and operated. How about a flow chart of what we know? Departments chain of command etc. Take a project and follow it through from inception to execution to prosecution(s).
The problem comes when the CIA spills out of if official white hat roles and into gray and black hat areas. It leaves the official world and enters into a gray area of old boy/girl networks, private agencies, and foreign entanglements. Still you should be able to delineate a crisp map of official agencies and departments. How does it interface with the State Department, the Pentagon, Congress, NSA, NRO, FBI etc.
https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/leadership/cia-organization-chart.html
Now, as to what the problem is, it’s this: The CIA belongs to the Executive Department, and as such is subject to the direct pressure of the President. The President sets the tone by appointing the DCI (Director of Central Intelligence, head of the CIA) subject only to the advice & consent of the Senate. We have seen especially under the past two administrations an unprecedented degree of executive pressure on the CIA, and expansion of the roles of that agency into domains far beyond the statutory limits of the National Security Act of 1947 (which established it). That act prohibited the CIA from conducting military operations, but, thanks to the neo-liberal Obama, they do. The same act prohibits them and their brother agency the NSA from conducting domestic spying, but, thanks to the neo-conservative Bush, they do. And, to make matters worse, the CIA, like any other large organization, public or private, has its share of renegades and criminals who can always be counted on to do something illegal.
~O~ is a fully realized authoritarian progressive leftist no different than 20th century Europe’s other ones.
How well you sling the slang! Can you explain to me how you can call someone a progressive (or even a leftist) when they have
* prevented the prosecution of the people who caused the financial crisis through their massive fraud?
* subverted attempts to reinstate reasonable regulation of the financial system in the aftermath of said crisis?
* prevented meaningful health care reform from occurring, instead tailoring the legislation to benefit the health insurance companies?
* expanded the use of illegal and unconstitutional methods to conduct surveillance against his own citizens?
* allied himself with tyrants and apartheidd governments?
* systematically torpedoed international efforts to address anthropomorphic climate change?
* negotiates secret trade agreements which benefit large corporations at the cost of health, freedom, the climate, and the working class?
He’s a progressive leftist that pushes gun control (“We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar,” he said to Sarah Brady (washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/over-a-barrel-meet-white-house-gun-policy-adviser-steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9EKND_story.html)); for they “get bitter, they cling to guns or religion.”
And there’s his imposition of collectivist Health Care Insurance mandates and new taxes in lieu of them for the edict’s dissidents (and forcing employers to buy Plan B insurance)–and there’s his partnership with the SEIU on that compulsory health care insurance law participation–and his repeated WH meetings with that leadership (WSJ records at least 22 separate visits by Andy Stern).
And there’s his repeated WH meetings with Al Sharpton. And Salon’s Joan Walsh’s gushing and singing his praises, and the Guardian’s consistently sympathetic portraits of him.
And there’s his workers-permit granting to 5 million illegal aliens.
And there’s his insistance that ‘Climate Change’–abandoned from an anthropogenic “Global Warming” that everyone could see wasn’t happening (and still isn’t)–is real and the country has to shutter brand new, state of the art, clean coal generation plants to mitigate against it. “So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.” (And every year, they’ll say it’s a new record hot year, while each pole gets thicker and more saturated with ice and each hemisphere’s summers become ever more mild.)
Wall Street went 2-1 for Obama over McCain, which should be no surprise to you, since Paul Warburg funded V.I. Lenin’s return to St. Petersburg from Zurich in 1917 on board the notorious Sealed Train of $10m in gold.
Surveillance? The progressive left owns surveillance state and police state, the feature set for which the progressive left is most famous. From the GDR’s Erich Honecker to Romania’s Nicolae Ceau?escu; from Mao, from Fidel, from Che, to the Kims, from Jiang Qing to Pol Pot, from the editor of Italy’s premier early 20th century socialist paper Avanti! (Forward!), Benito Mussolini, to the German Workers Party’s most prolific Sozialist, Hitler; from Stalin to Brezhnev, from Hoxha to Jaruzelski to Brzezinski to Obama, the progressive left leaves a rich provenance of internationalist adventurism and intrigue, and restriction, and authoritarianism and police state.
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Where the “?” is, there’s a cedilla that didn’t go through this parsimonious site.
I’ve seen progressive left commentators (either here or on Guardian) actually endorse the Democrats’ refusals to reimplement the tariffs that built this country.
When the left’s gun-control- and Equality- and ‘Climate Change’-chanting New York Times isn’t pushing and endorsing illegal-immigrant amnesty, they’re writing this:
_”How to Stop Currency Manipulation“_
“WASHINGTON — IF the new Congress can agree on anything this year, it may well be the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade deal between the United States and 11 other countries throughout the Asia-Pacific region. Passions run high when it comes to trade deals these days, and the Obama administration is working hard to sell it to labor unions, which roundly oppose it.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/opinion/jared-bernstein-how-to-stop-currency-manipulation.html
Corruption of the United States government is not a left/right issue. Both progressives and libertarians have legitimate grievances against the abuse of State authoritarianism. At some junctures, these grievances are functionally identical enough to inspire a unity between progressives and libertarians.
The corruption is, broadly speaking, corporatism and militarism, the usurping of governing authority by powers entirely unelected by the people.
These (corporatism and militarism) are corrupt symptoms displayed by BOTH left and right wing authoritarianism, and the desire to place the problematic in either the left or the right is one of the many ways the corrupt establishment happily divides and conquers the populace (consequently not letting dissent build in a united fashion into a comprehensive force of mass resistance to authoritarianism) by faulting only a caricature of ‘the other’ political wing, rather than faulting the institutionalized and unconstitutional avenues entrenched in the present American system whereby heavily-financed corruption can enter and operate freely.
No Cindy, your’re correct. The progressive left, which has a compulsive need to control and run others’ lives in order to ensure that tornadoes don’t hit Oklahoma and wildfires don’t eat up the Oakland Hills and provide that Boston and Chicago and New York never allow business owners who espouse viewpoints that run counter to progressive orthodoxy–thinks exactly like the individual liberties defending paleo right.
And 100% NARAL and Brady Center voters Pelosi and Feinstein, and their camo-attired and fist-raising urban hipster left electorate, are really actually just as right wing as the individual-liberty minded JBSers and Paulists are “forward” leaning.
Your paleo right is being as unfairly dissed as the truly progressive left.
Please see that this is my point in this regard.
And this is why labeling/pigeonholing is so counterproductive when it comes to actually changing the status quo.
As one site on communication points out about pigeonholers:
“Pigeonholing is a term used to describe processes that attempt to classify disparate entities into a small number of categories (usually, mutually exclusive ones).
The expression usually carries connotations of criticism, implying that the classification scheme referred to does not adequately reflect the entities being sorted, or that it is based on stereotypes.
Common failings of pigeonholing schemes include:
~ Categories are poorly defined (often because they are subjective).
~ Entities may be suited to more than one category. Example: rhubarb is both ‘poisonous’ and ‘edible’.
~ Entities may not fit into any available category. Example: asking somebody from Washington, DC which state they live in.
~ Entities may change over time, so they no longer fit the category in which they have been placed. Example: certain species of fish may change from male to female during their life.
~ Attempting to discretize properties that would be better viewed as a continuum. Example: attempting to sort people into ‘introverted’ and ‘extroverted’.
The French have an apt expression when dealing with compulsive pigeonholers and labelers:
This is a war and “a la guerre, comme a la guerre” as French defined such relationships: “war does not determine who is right – only who is left.”
This is actually in reply to bonnieville, since there appears to be no reply button under his/her reply in this branch of the comment chain. As the content below will reveal, I agree with Cindy’s comment quite a bit.
If Pelosi and Feinstein is who you think represents the progressive left in this country, look again. They MIS-represent the progressive left just like Obama does. With but a few exceptions, Democratic Party politicians in general misrepresent the progressive left, choosing instead to represent the interests that contribute most to their campaigns, ie, the military-industrial complex, Wall Street, or fossil fuel companies.
If you want an example of the REAL progressive left, try Jill Stein and the US Green Party. At times, you’ll even see Greens marching side by side with Libertarians in protest, such as in the Stop Watching Us protest that took place some months after Edward Snowden blew the whistle on the NSA.
I don’t need Jill Stein’s taxes and control-freak authoritarianism when she’s not out front on countering actual environmental vandalism like GMO. Instead she’s mind-controlled by banking and globalism interests pushing fake ‘Climate Change’ hysteria.
Feinstein and Pelosi getting 100% grades from Brady Center and NARAL make them progressive leftists.
Look here:
ontheissues.org/Senate/Dianne_Feinstein.htm
ontheissues.org/CA/Nancy_Pelosi.htm
…and you pick five issues–combined between the two–that they support that aren’t progressive.
“And this is why labeling/pigeonholing is so counterproductive when it comes to actually changing the status quo. …
While you all are fiddling around with arguing about what fits into which pigeonhole and onto what the labels you make up are to be applied to, Rome continues to burn for lack of effective fire suppression.
In other words, it’s a “what-to-do” issue – not a “what-the-fuck-is-it” issue.
“And I came to believe that good and evil are names for what people do, not for what they are. All we can say is that this is a good deed, because it helps someone or that’s an evil one because it hurts them. People are too complicated to have simple labels.” – Philip Pullman, The Amber Spyglass
Complete with his own standard-ready solar symbol.
So, he was convicted of and sent to prison for allegedly disclosing the identity of a CIA agent to a reporter. Can we mention Valerie Plame? Who went to prison for outing her? Oh right,no one went to prison. No one was punished for that (not even Scooter Libby as some might try to claim.) It’s so obviously been a witch hunt and there should be enormous outrage over how it’s all fallen out but most people are just too damned ignorant and/or indifferent to give a flying f**k. It’s depressing.
quote“The reason why we taped Abu Zubaydah was because….we wanted to show the world that we actually had nothing to do with his death.” It’s not clear if he personally decided to make the tapes.”unquote
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!. Is there anyone on the face of the planet that reads this and doesn’t see something so absurd it defies logic? They tape a torture session..to prove they had nothing to do with his murder??????? And THEN..destroys the tape? Haha. If ever there was living proof that moronic psychopathic murderers run the CIA this is it. Notwithstanding a Congress of halfwitted cowards who have funded this cabal of evil for over 60 years due to the Secret Team’s doisier’s on every single one of them. To this day, no one can provide proof how the CIA is funded, let alone try to DE-fund it. Otis Pike found out the truth the hard way after they tried to release Pike Committee report.
Now that the GLARING truth has been documented by virtue of the “torture report”, that CIA has committed WAR CRIMES, a fundamental question remains. WHY ARN’T THESE CRIMINALS BEING PROSECUTED????????????????????????????????
In reality, I DARE any Congress member to ANSWER MY QUESTION. Although, I already know the answer. Jim Garrison and Col. Fletcher Prouty already provided it. The coup d’etat of 1963.
Given access to private communications, surely CIA officials ought to be able to fund the agency and take a nice bonus for themselves on insider stock tips alone. (But has anyone ever caught them at it?)
Cowards appear on the mainstream networks while hero’s appear on the Intercept.
Nice work and thank you Mr Kiriakou.
Since Snowden spilled the beans, it’s becoming more obvious that we are a nation of cowards, as few are willing to voice any protest to the wholesale abrogation of our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
Except for a few thousand comments, from real patriots, most Americans seem willing to “go along”, and “get along”.
I believe the fat lady has finished singing, and Liberty and Justice have died ignominiously.
Furthermore..
quote” The ten year old and eight year old have very hard felt opinions on things like the FBI and torture. They saw the FBI completely surrounding our house 24 hours a day just like I did. “unquote
I hope they understand this. The FBI would have murdered your entire family if ordered to.
Probably with a drone.
Democracy is always an aberration – an outlier. We should be fortunate ours lasted as long as it did, until say, 1913, the founding of the Federal Reserve.
After the election last November, I worry that you might be correct. The only part of the country where there was even a small stirring of the electorate was in New York, but aside from some increased vote totals for the Greens, nothing changed. I’d like to think that maybe voters will wake up in 2016, but if Snowdens revelations couldn’t move them to choose differently (or at least try to, I wouldn’t put it past the Establishment to try and blatantly rig the vote), I’m not sure what will, if anything.