When the Academy Awards are handed out, history will be made.
I’m not referring to the Oscars that particular films might win, but our embrace of their narratives of history. If “American Sniper” gathers a fistful of statues, even more people will see a film that presents a skewed view of the Iraq war. If the “Imitation Game” gets lucky, a lot more people will watch a movie that erroneously portrays Alan Turing as a social idiot. If “Selma” catches some of the limelight, more people may believe that Lyndon Johnson wasn’t entirely supportive of Martin Luther King.
This year’s controversy over films and history has led to a dismissive shrug from cultural critics who wearily tell us that movies are just movies, you shouldn’t take their versions of truth to heart, just enjoy the show. “Going to a Hollywood movie for a history lesson is like going to a brothel for a lecture in philosophy,” wrote Esquire’s Stephen Marche. “You’re in the wrong place.” A.O. Scott, the New York Times film critic, tweeted for the hard of understanding, “FEATURE FILMS ARE NOT HISTORY. THEY ARE HISTORICAL FICTION.”
They are right — Hollywood is not a classroom. The problem, however, is that movies, despite the bonfires of distortion in many of them, can shape our understanding of political events just as much as think tank reports or Pulitzer-winning books. For instance, a lot of major movies are taught in schools. It is disingenuous for the screening room cognoscenti to pretend that films are of no political consequence and shouldn’t be critiqued for historical accuracy — and that’s particularly true for war films.
As Don Gomez, a soldier and blogger, wrote about “Zero Dark Thirty,” which portrayed torture as playing a crucial role in finding Osama bin Laden, “Filmmakers can always deflect criticism by saying ‘It’s a movie, not a documentary,’ which is true. But that ignores the reality of how it will be consumed — how they know it will be marketed and consumed.” And guess what — opinion polls show a majority of Americans think torture worked, just as ZDT said it did, even though an exhaustive Senate report concluded it did not.
A recent study conducted by Notre Dame researchers Todd Adkins and Jeremiah J. Castle indicated that movies are more effective in shaping political opinion than cable news or political ads. In the study, different audiences were exposed to different films and the evolution of their political beliefs was tested before and afterwards; there were statistically significant shifts. “Viewers come expecting to be entertained and are not prepared to encounter and evaluate political messages as they would during campaign advertisements or network news programs,” the authors wrote — meaning that viewers are not aware they are being targeted with political messages, so they are more likely to be persuaded by what they see on the screen.
I’m not really concerned about “The Imitation Game” or “Selma” or for that matter, “Argo” or “The King’s Speech,” because nobody is going to die from the wrong lessons they might impart (and it’s not clear that “Selma” was wrong). It’s probably true, as The Guardian said of “Braveheart,” that it’s a “great big steaming haggis of lies” — but the present-day costs of its liberties with the truth are negligible. However, when it comes to blockbuster tales about our ongoing wars in the Middle East and Central Asia, the wrong lessons are deadly. If, as “American Sniper” suggests, people believe that Iraq was filled with crazed savages who had no reason to attack the foreign army in their midst, we risk engaging in more warfare in the region, because fighting sub-human Muslim fanatics is far easier to justify than killing and maiming innocent civilians, which is a lot of what actually happened.
There is another problem with the “calm down it’s just a movie” attitude — it is chiefly used to protect narratives that confirm our prejudices. When Oliver Stone’s “J.F.K.” came out in 1991, it received coast-to-coast jeers for suggesting a conspiracy behind President John F. Kennedy’s assassination. “What is fact and what isn’t is not always easy to tell,” Vincent Canby wrote in the Times, calling out the movie’s “unsubstantiated data.” Director Oliver Stone, deeply at odds with conventional wisdom, was eviscerated for his “paranoid fantasy,” as Charles Krauthammer wrote at the time. Yet Clint Eastwood, whose “American Sniper” conforms with traditional notions of patriotism and heroism, gets a pass from historical scrutiny because, as his defenders say, it’s only a film.
Rutgers historian Richard Heffner noted that the furor over “J.F.K.” showed that filmmakers like Stone had hit a sensitive nerve — they were becoming “our nation’s leading storytellers,” and the Academy Awards rather than the Pulitzer Prizes were becoming the go-to accolades for our new historians (Heffner wasn’t entirely happy about this). By all means, let movies engage history — this is a wonderful thing — but their narratives of violence should not be spared a confrontation with the truth.
Zero Dark Thirty Photo: Sony Pictures
“Filmmakers can always deflect criticism by saying ‘It’s a movie, not a documentary”
Actually the more pertinent criticism is : If you don’t like it? Make your own movie.
I feel like I saw a different Zero Dark Thirty than many others did. The one I saw showed torture to be cruel, brutal, evil, and non-productive. I get that people expected Bigelow to deliver a big moment with some hand-wringing and open lamentation about torture by some CIA character, and that Dan’s late criticism of detainee information wasn’t that. But I never took the movie as endorsement of torture. And I did not get from it that torture was critical to capturing bin Laden. ZD30 should have been a movie that sparked meaningful national discussion of the war on terror, including torture. Instead it became a political football. Too bad. It is a good movie. That coming from a person who wants Obama’s head for failing to investigate and prosecute torture.
I haven’t seen “American Sniper” due to who might be sitting in the audience. Yet another ex-seal/special forces military contractor threatened me again on a trip to the Upper East Side with the caveat “You have no idea what I’ve been through, you have no no idea the fire I’ve walked through” to which I replied “unless you were hanging by your wrists in a black site in Iraq or Afghanistan…you have no idea about the hell I’ve gone through”. At which point he smirked and I said “thank you U.S. Military”. Now to honest, he quite obviously had very severe PTSD and was just back, signed up for a “security job”. I don’t blame these guys, I blame the people who hired them.
I am a huge K. Bigelow fan, but I walked out of ZDT during the torture scene. I went to the bathroom, came back and they were still torturing the subject. It was sickening. It was a failure of screenwriting and a failure of filmmaking. For such a talented director/screenwriter team it wouldn’t have been too difficult to add nuance and complexity to these scenes. It would have been far more accurate, if they had people calling headquarters, threatening to quit, complaining etc…Instead, despite the other merits of the film, they equated torture with intelligence…as opposed to total domination (or in some instances human experimentation).
I enjoyed the article Peter. Your comment about JFK was quite specific. Perhaps you are not endorsing John Newman and Arthur Schlesinger’s faulty accounts upon which Stone based his story. I recommend Chomsky’s “Rethinking Camelot,” which the Left mostly ignores. But I wouldn’t claim that the Left is perfect. All one has to do is read history to know what kind of people the Kennedys were. (Nothing prevents that, although the fewer mentions of the book that happen, the less likely it is that it will be bought and the more likely that it’s viewpoint will be unconsidered. Right?) Other than that, I enjoyed JFK. But there’s limits to my willingness to be entertained by Hollywood/CIA. I won’t be seeing “American Sniper.” Having said that, If I thought I could learn something from it that I could then teach, in my own fight for social justice, I might see the damn thing. Hopefully, I’ll never see such a need.
I read Tricia Jenkins’s “The CIA In Hollywood,” a very informative and thought provoking book. When you provided a link to a study that showed that movies have a great impact on the political thinking of movie-goers, I was all over that. Except that the link doesn’t lead to a useable article. You have to purchase the ‘study’. I don’t know about that. I usually just bookmark links to books – and have a list so long that most of it will be there after I’ve died or after this world has died. I don’t buy books in chronological order however. Your article will have to stand in for the authoritative voice on the subject of the report you reference.
While I agree with the premise of your article in regard to ODT and American Sniper, the same cannot be said for JFK, which contained more truth than the Warren Commission Report.
To use the word “consume” for engaging with a movie or other work
implies that it gets used up in the process. Regrettable as that may
be in some cases, watching them does not use them up.
The word also presupposes that the person can only passively absorb
the work, and that thinking about it is impossible. Indeed, your
point is that people often do passively absorb movies, but it is not
inevitable to do so.
Please don’t use the word “consume” for this.
Jesus Christ who could be so dumb to deny the massive brainwashing of CIA Hollywood? Of course they want to set the historical narrative lol how naive/spineless can you get. There’s reams of history on the subject, they can’t just stick our heads on pikes anymore so the media mind fucking machine has to work overtime to keep us all in shock and awe. Of course in planet Amerika real life is now a movie with teleprompter presidents, pretend economies and flying robot killers, the movies spill over into real life so who can tell the damn difference anymore. Its all one big po-mo blur now, thanks a lot Ronny Reagan you really were model prez
We learn from our cultural entertainment. The idiots you quote in this article that say otherwise are wrong. They make me sick. So does Hollywood. Even fiction needs to portray the truth. Hollywood takes the actual truth and gives you a rubbish lie in it’s place. It deserves no defense.
I think that the propaganda value of movies is way down from its peak in the WWII era, doubly removed by two technological advances, first television, and then the internet. I think that a movie such as ZDT cashes in by aligning itself with a national mood set for one age group (and perhaps other age groups with little exposure to technology) by TV programs such as 24, and by various web sites for other age groups. I think the makers of ZDT used the CIA (as it sought to use them) to help provide a higher level of experience for those who minds were already set.
Movies resemble more weather vanes than the wind.
As for AS, its director is the original weather vane, early in his career playing a role in a series of violent movies that borrowed much from television crime drama, but offering the deeper experience of the large screen, 90 minute format, and less censoring. Later he appeared to became a sort of kinder and gentler soul, but the wind has shifted, and it is clear where he points.
Well said sir.
you see and it must be
that you suffer from your knowledge
Continue with the glory that surrounds you
A movie by an “empty chair” celebrating a sociopath.
I actually attended a screening of Nazi Propaganda films at the Modern Museum of Art. I believe the impetus behind screening these films was to make sure “it never happened again”. WELL!
I vividly remember a film commissioned by Hitler “Why I had to invade Poland”. I could be wrong on the exact title and country. It showed poor German minorities in thatched roofs, being burned out by “someone”, frankly I forget who was the supposed villain was, probably the Polish. I do remember the shocked faces of the English leaders, Americans etc…After he sent them the film. That is the power of propaganda, nothing has changed.
to freedom fighters all over this earth
Oró sé do bheatha ‘bhaile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n730FWycrTY
The film is “The Wind That Shakes The Barley,” I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkpUBi3FXu0
My friend is Eamon wright.
Aiming right with an armalite.
Fuck the brits fuck America.
Should have been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY00d-Ad7lg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkpUBi3FXu0
SHANE MACGOWAN AND THE POPES
“Paddy Public Enemy No. 1″
The chasing girls was easy and drinking been was fun
And he went out one day and bought himself a gun,
He shot a couple of coppers and he joined the IRA,
And the papers called him Paddy Public Enemy No 1
The Coppers in the north they couldn’t catch him
The British army they just couldn’t touch him
He shot a couple of coppers and he joined the IRA,
And the papers called him Paddy Public Enemy No 1
One day the knock came at the door, they hauled him away,
The IRA they kicked him out when he was still in jail
When he got outta jail he shouted up the IRA
And the papers called him Paddy Public Enemy No 1
The coppers in the North they couldn’t catch him
The British army they just couldn’t touch him
When he got out of jail he shouted up the IRA
And the papers called him Paddy Public Enemy No 1
The factions all were fighting
their deadly power game
He said fuck them all and left the INLA
Wherever there was trouble
there was Paddy and his gun
And the papers called him Paddy Public Enemy No 1
The coppers in the North they couldn’t catch him
The British army they just couldn’t touch him
When he got out of jail he shouted up the IRA
And the papers called him Paddy Public Enemy No 1
One day he tired of it all and hung away his gun
When he hung away his gun he became the hunted one
He went into a phone box to make a local call,
They shot him in the phonebox
splashin blood upon the wall
But when he hung away his gun he became the hunted one
And that was the end of Paddy Public Enemy No 1
What is it in a man that makes him take up arms to fight the oppressors.
America fights wars of aggression. They have murdered for years and America gives cowards medals.
Fuck America and its cruel evil foreign policy.
Insurgents, rebels, ISIS fight the defensive true fight of defense.
No weapons of mass destruction only Neocon (neoliberals are the same creatures) lies.
For oil and profit.MIC rules the mind set of stupid fucking Americans.
Rise up people and revolt.
I will squeezed the trigger of my armalite
America flocks like a herd of sheep to view and glorify the coward Kris Kyle.
There is an enemy at the gate and that enemy is America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18w9gw96s6M
The night was icy cold I stood along
I was waiting for an army foot patrol
And when at last they came within my site
I squeezed the trigger of my armalite
Oh Mama, oh Mama comfort me
I know these awful things have got to be
But when the war for freedom has been won
I promise you I’ll put away my gun.
A shot rang out, I heard a soldier cry
“Please don’t leave me here alone to die”
I realized his patrol had gone away
And left their wounded comrade for me to slay.
Oh Mama, oh Mama comfort me
I know these awful things have got to be
But when the war for freedom has been won
I promise you I’ll put away my gun.
“There’s nothing in this world I would not give
If mercy in your heart you’d let me live”
And in his eyes I saw a burning flame
As my gun it slowly fell towards his brain.
Oh Mama, oh Mama comfort me
I know these awful things have got to be
But when the war for freedom has been won
I promise you I’ll put away my gun.
Dawn was breaking as I reached my base
Can’t forget the look on that boy’s face
Fear, agony, torment, they all were there
But to your memory, Mama, his life I spared.
Oh Mama, oh Mama comfort me
I know these awful things have got to be
But when the war for freedom has been won
I promise you I’ll put away my gun.
I promise you I’ll put away my gun.
Are you trying to bait me :) It’s very sad tragic history in Ireland. If only they had not been so close to England AND Catholic.
“It is disingenuous for the screening room cognoscenti to pretend that films are of no political consequence and shouldn’t be critiqued for historical accuracy — and that’s particularly true for war films.”
In this time of “instant replay”, art imitates life imitates art psychological merry-go-round that many seem to be living in, disingenuous is too generous. Growing up in the fifties with WWII movies being standard fare, and looking back at how there was little difference between government sponsored or Hollywood productions, I feel very uneasy and suspicious that more of the same is going on now. Names such as John Huston, Frank Capra, John Ford, William Wyler, and George Stevens rented their talents(with ranks and corresponding pay) to government propaganda films such as the “why we fight” series among others. Walt Disney cranked out tens of thousands of feet of animated series supporting the war effort. With such a blurring between propaganda and historical accuracy then, who says that’s not happening now?
It most definately is happening right now, and with great impact.
What happens if Citizenfour gets the Oscar? Better ponder that, because some predictions have it as a favorite. Whether documentaries affect public perceptions as well as big-screen films, well, that’s another story, and I’m not sure I would like the ending.
If the movie had represented Kyle as he represented himself in his book, the film would’ve shown him killing 30 American citizens (“looters”) in the Hurricane Katrina aftermath. But the movie selectively deletes that and other statements of Kyle that put him in a less positive light. He also has a conspiracy theory that suggests that the Bush Admin found WMDs in Iraq afterall, but covered it up to protect European allies, which he accuses of being the source of Iraqi WMDs. No mention of that in the film, I hear.
Clint Eastwood has a habit of cleaning up historical warriors to make them fit a story. In Letters from Iwo Jima, he has a scene where a Japanese commander, the main character of the film, comforts a dying American soldier. The scene is supposed to prove how decent and humane this Japanese commander was, even to his American enemies. The problem? Never happened.
It’s frustrating to me that around half a million Iraqis died because of the war, and so much of the public is so disinterested in the stories of the Iraqis themselves. Instead, their deaths, history and politics are the backstory to an American sniper’s efforts. The Iraq War: with Cameo Appearances by the Iraqi people.
If only PBS Frontline’s Gangs of Iraq and Losing Iraq documentaries could get hundreds of millions of dollars in box office revenue. Or Nir Rosen’s Aftermath book. But no, we mostly save our media dollars for highly fictionalized, sanitized, ahistorical, and apolitical movies like American Sniper.
tombrowns’ schooleddaze’
13 Feb 2015 at 8:26 pm
why dont you publish my posts you cowards Intercept.
I see this comment from you on a regular basis and am aware that there are definite problems with the commenting system here. Having said that, I counted 23 comments from you in this thread alone, 21 of which were below (previous to) that one. How many are missing?
Is it possible that there is – for whatever reason – a delay on your comments appearing, as opposed to actual censorship, going on?
I’m not trying to provoke you in any way. I’m just puzzled because it seems to me that there are almost always a significant number of your comments in threads wherein you claim they are not being posted. And I am very aware of how frustrating that can be, having had some of mine get “disappeared”, only to realize that I’d typed in my email or commenting name inaccurately (thereby causing my own problem), or that I was subject to some other transient issue (lord knows there’ve been enough of them here). :-s
It happens all the time.
Only a fool thinks it happens by happen chance.
Well mannered and true thinking Cindy says it happens to her.
Who are you going to believe?
Some of the posts are but a few words without links and yes one chance in an hundred says it it is my fault.
But view this thead. my posts did not appear for hours.
Whats up up with that but human intervention.
Mr Maass is a good man, but all it takes for evil to thrive is good men doing nothing.
Why can some post multipe links and i have trouble sending simple words?
Something is up here and after saying so for a year the cowardly Intercept has done NOTHING.
“Some of the posts are but a few words without links…” – tombrowns’ schooleddaze’
Perhaps a partial answer, until this comment section gets it together, would be to consolidate these small, multiple posts into a few, larger ones.
Dont you wonder why Glenn redacts the snowden documenents to the CIA formular?
Dont you wonder why the intercept does not produce more of the Snownden documents?
Can you not see the game that is played here?
Are you such a blind sychophant that you can not reason?
Wrench has been placed here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spUsTbDAc6Y
Glenn Greenwald is not CIA, not a chance in fu*cking hell! Snowden, maybe…so what. I frankly don’t care if Satan released those documents, it needed to be done.They have to adhere to certain guidelines in order to publish and claim protection as journalists. What’s the problem? You don’t need the names of undercover operatives to prove a point? You also don’t need the logistics of legitimate operations. Not everything the U.S. does is bullshit, there are legitimate operations that are being obscured by all this BULLSHIT. I don’t mind my taxpayer dollars being spent on threats that are real, it’s the endless MIC scam that upsets me.
I disagree that films like Argo and Selma are not just as manipulative as the others mentioned – the portrayal of Iranians in Argo was despicably propagandistic, and the narrow scope of Selma is to my mind yet another reductive insistence that Martin Luther King Jr. as a historical figure was simply all about black rights and not an antiwar visionary who railed against all injustice. — Cindy
He didn’t actually address the issue of whether or not they were manipulative (per se) – at least not in his original comment on that. What Peter said re that was:
My point is that those problems don’t cause the sort of grave harm that is caused by the problems of American Sniper and Zero Dark Thirty.
I am inclined to agree with you Cindy. While Peter seems to be focusing on the fact that both those films dealt with historical narratives that are further in the past, he doesn’t seem recognize that current issues wrt Iran and Ferguson, etc can be significantly affected by popular opinions that may be just as influenced by those movies as ones of events more current in nature.
>”My point is that those problems don’t cause the sort of grave harm that is caused by the problems of American Sniper and Zero Dark Thirty.” Pete r
Haven’t seen American Sniper, but I seriously doubt it (or the other films) will cause the sort of ‘grave harm’ inflicted by Zero Dark Thirty. Basically, I thought ZDT the epitome of a premeditated script cunningly designed to legitimize torture and justify the unjustifiable destabilization of the oil-rich Mid East and by extension … most of the world. *it takes my grand-jury prize for the propaganda of manipulative mis-conception artistry.
Of course, as powerful as films may be (to convey intellectual and emotional realities), there is nothing like the sight of political power that covertly colludes to amputate the function of a free Press. There is no prosthetic for that… *although Glenn has been a reliable crutch (until more skilled physicians can be found.).
Sorry, the only blockbaster I did watch and remember is Independence Day…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YtvsxB9xQY
OT: Does anyone know why Firedoglake.com has been offline all week?
https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/566258954880446464
*Escalation: US Sending Over 4,000 Ground Troops to Kuwait*
“Over 4,000 ground combat troops from Fort Carson’s 3rd Brigade are being sent to Kuwait under this new deployment, where they will make up the region’s largest collection of US ground troops, which will include heavy armored vehicles.”
http://news.antiwar.com/2015/02/13/escalation-us-sending-over-4000-ground-troops-to-kuwait/
So many important points. Thank you
I’m pleased to see The Intercept has set aside its idealistic, but rather futile, pleas for politicians and journalists to tell the truth. But having realized there is no market for truth in the real world, they seem to be hoping it may find a place at the movies. Their persistence in trying to find something that truth is good for, is admirable. But I don’t think Truth’s true calling is in film.
The most egregious distorter of history was no doubt Shakespeare, with his campaigns to delegitimize the Plantagenets and glorify the Tudors. Yet his plays do have redeeming features – narrative tension, insight into human character and dramatic staging, and I am told his works are still read and performed (although this may be an exaggeration).
So truth clearly has no place in great dramatic works, but what about in Hollywood films? They are mostly mindless entertainment, providing the audience with a fix of blood and gore. Couldn’t they slip some truth in, when nobody was looking? This sounds appealing, but I think it would be dishonest. It smacks of trying to manipulate the audience, who, after all, are there simply to see someone killed in spectacular fashion.
I must conclude that telling the truth smacks too much of propaganda.
Truth is truth, To the end of reckoning ~ Shakespeare
*Personally, I’d rather have a little honesty than a great load of truthiness anyway, benitoe… if you’re honest I can figure the truth by myself (&, maybe, a little help from my friends.) … thank you very much.
Your sardonic sarcasm aside, the CIA has invested huge amounts of money expanding its Hollywood offices to influence in film production and whitewash or rewrite history to suit its own political objectives. The CIA openly worked on Argo and Zero Dark Thirty for example. There’s even a book out detailing the whole sleazy affair: “The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television: by Tricia Jenkins. Another book called “History Goes to the Movies” actually rates movies with star ratings for historical accuracy and the author Roquemore says exactly what this author did that movies for better or worse, accurate or deliberately falsified are now how Americans learn history–and not from a history book. What is so sad about this is that dumb Americans will actually believe Zero Dark Thirty’s false narrative as the truth in addition to Eastwood’s Sniper travesty.
The US has a volunteer army – you can’t very well recruit and motivate them by explaining they are fighting to secure the interests of oil companies in the Middle East. So it’s necessary to stimulate patriotism and a romantic view of war. That’s in the interest of the State and therefore a legitimate use of funds by the CIA.
It should not be confused with disseminating propaganda, which is a subversive activity.
Duce — you may be interested in “Lion of the Desert”, starring Anthony Quinn, Oliver Reed, John Gielgud, and Rod Steiger as your excellency, a film about the Libyan uprising against Italian occupation and funded by Muammar Qaddafi.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2011/jun/30/lion-of-the-desert-libya-gaddafi
The Guardian reviewer says it’s not bad as history or entertainment, despite its provenance.
Stand Up. Stand Out.
I have a theory about people. I have no studies to show I am correct. I’m not even sure how my theory could be tested, but here it goes–
For issues that we hold no real opinion about, and issues that we don’t really know anything about, we base our beliefs upon the best position to take to NOT make ourselves stand out from the herd. I will call this the invisible position.
This idea explains the rapid shifts in public opinion about marijuana and gay marriage. People’s opinions didn’t change, what changed was the perception of what is the best position to take to remain invisible.
With this theory in mind–the influence of art, music and film becomes disproportionally large because it directly defines the visible and invisible. With that said, I am probably way off on this, if for no other reason than it seems to validate the loud and obnoxious.
Excellent, I agree with you 100%.
The squeaky wheel definitely gets the grease … if you’re into that kind of thing./
Well thought out theory. Film & TV is unquestionably, to my mind, a significant influence on generally held perceptions. Many have created copycat murderers and many actually influence entire groups of people to behave in a certain way and to respect the characters portrayed more overtly. Books and Magazines and the printed Media used to be but film and TV have demolished their importance. Art may be of some influence but I don’t think much. Music I would say may well be of more importance than is thought, especially RAP. Overall Hollywood refuses to accept it’s responsibilities and I doubt it ever will.
Interesting take. However, I would love to see data that links the watching of certain movies — like “Zero Dark Thirty — to poltical opinion and military action. I’m one of those who believe that “movies are movies.” Yet, I do understand the importance of criticism — especially if certain movies can lead to disastrous action.
Is there poll out there asking whether or not people believe everything potrayed in movies like “Zero Dark Thiry” or “American Sniper”?
HI Peter and everyone –
Interesting article. Much do discuss – and I have been reading the comments!
One quibble: you mentioned this study by Notre Dame researchers. However, you gave no details about the kinds of films shown or the kinds of beliefs measured. Curious, I went to the link and found —– you have to pay to read it. What a disappointment.
I know, and I’m sorry about that. I have a copy but I don’t have permission to post it. Feel free to contact either of the authors (their contact info is easily available) and they’d likely send it to you.
Well, hello, Peter!
Thanks for the reply. Not sure I’d bother them, but thanks anyway. It does sound like an interesting study, though.
I do enjoy reading about these various films. Might I suggest a topic for a future article? In general, it seems that these big-budget bang-bang-shoot-’em up blow-’em -up action films seem to get so much attention and box office? What does that say about us? What does that do to us (our pshcyes, etc.)? Why do there seem to be so few alternatives besides kid flicks and imo (and I it’s subjective, modeless (to say the least)) comedies? I have not seen verymany recent films and to be honest, there aren’t many I would be motivated to see (although I think I would enjoy “The King’s Speech”).
Anyway, you certainly gave us some points to ponder!
David Carr interviews Laura, Glenn, and Snowden.
http://www.indiewire.com/article/citizenfour-team-edward-snowden-and-laura-poitras-talk-to-the-late-david-carr-video-20150213
Thanks soooo much for that link, Coram. I read the article; will have to go back to view the video, though.
So sad about Mr. Carr – may he rest in peace.
The Guardian has a large series on “Reel History,” on whether Hollywood films are true to history.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/series/reelhistory
Wait till Biggus Dickus hears of this!
Mr Maass the intercept is not a frree speech zone. You should be ashamed to belong to a site that is selective of what it publishes.
I have had a gutful of your hypocrisy.
Let the world know that this site is run by the TPTB
And you are their errend boy
There are no free speech zones in privately owned enterprises, but ‘free speech zones’ as allocated by government authorities are indeed offensive.
The Intercept is made up of human beings who may or may not find our comments to be repetitive or tiresome, given their mood.
I’ve had comments deleted. New commenters always have to wait. This place is just better than most, but its reporters are as critical as they are temperamental.
Like you, I’ve just about had it, and want to go to other sites. But they don’t have Greenwald, and they ALWAYS delete my comments as a matter of form.
So we’re kind of stuck with this. They publish a good many posts of yours that I wouldn’t (hating America ones, for example), for the record. But I feel ya.
Don’t bother Cindy, it’s friday 13 :o)
The practice of bending historical events or figures to the author’s will is an ancient practice. Would Peter Maas have William Shakespeare be confronted with the truth for all his historical inaccuracies?
why dont you publish my posts you cowards Intercept.
Censorship Mr Mass at the Intercept .
You pathetic cowards
Thank you for the article. I love you all for bringing an honest, unadulterated viewpoint.
This is a weak story; Hollywood has always been part of the propaganda apparatus. And I mean always! It started even before there were talking films, with the vilification of the Germans before the US entered World War 1. And of course, from the late 1930s until today we see a steady stream of propaganda glorifying our own forces even while painting everyone on the other side in World War 2 as uniformly evil. Of course, this is not only limited to our own wars; Exodus leaps to mind as an outstanding example of how Hollywood has supported the official line. Only rarely has there been a movie that had any degree of nuance, movies like Doctor Strangelove or Apocalypse Now.
Spoiler Alert: In the movie, Fury, the German soldier found the hiding American soldier (one of the very main characters) but allowed him to go unnoticed by all of the other German soldiers present. The Germans all left the area, and then the American soldier walked away with his life.
It was surprisingly coordinated propaganda, very early on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Information
Basically what I mean to add is that a movie can be made and a memory of an event can be imprinted on the viewer and the facts that are purported to be true could be an entirely false government PR statement and description of said event and I know that that occurs. The Intel community has penetrated so deeply…how about this…look up the Director of the CIA position and the corresponding president who put them there. You will see a stark pattern of who really controls the globe and what party is responsible. The facts are all there and you can find them all but if you wait for the movie you might get a better seat but you will see a lot less.
I agree with the entire notion that movies are now what have taken the place of memoirs of soldiers and interviews with veterans. History can be molded in huge degrees or in the finest nuanced way yet the public at large believe the memory of the movie and not reality nor what they hear on their corporate loving news programs. The reason British and US soldiers took videos of the bodies of Jews at the camps was to serve as proof that this really happened. Now it seems that films are turned out in record time to shape the events that should be obvious to us all via evidence. There is no accountability in the government and we need a third party. The system is seriously broken and money is changing hands and history is changing course. We need to stand up and vote with our wallets and not go see these pieces of propaganda and choose to be informed and to inform others of the truth as presented to you with evidence rather than a movie with C.G.
The CIA has been involved in many US movies for a while now, and even when they’re not there is a self-protective mutual admiration quality to just about all facets of the establishment – and this includes the vast industry corporatized entertainment (including TV) and its employment of ‘test audiences’ (the use of which both alerts the producers to things that offend unthinking people and provides a means whereby the effectiveness of the propaganda can be measured).
People generally don’t watch entertainment to think critically, they do it for fun, and this is the entranced, willing psychological state wherein manufactured consent is particularly effective – like, for example, the fighter planes scooping over the joyous throngs at the Super Bowl. Spectacular amusements at times of aroused emotional unguardedness, as Hitler discovered, can be more useful even than frightening people with force.
I disagree that films like Argo and Selma are not just as manipulative as the others mentioned – the portrayal of Iranians in Argo was despicably propagandistic, and the narrow scope of Selma is to my mind yet another reductive insistence that Martin Luther King Jr. as a historical figure was simply all about black rights and not an antiwar visionary who railed against all injustice.
Thanks for the article, though. This really needs to be said, and you say it well.
Your phrase “self-protective mutual admiration quality” is clunky but I think does get to it. I call it gazing at the mirror. And I will enjoy exploring the idea and blogging about it eventually.
What Hollywood does to perfection is represent the psychopathy that lies at the root of American society.
I disagree with Mr, Peter Mass. Having served as a mmedical corpsman in Vietnam, I saw the human face of war on the wounded grunts, civilians and on one rare occassion a VC guerrila. I did dressing changes on grunts who were heroes; and I did dressing changes on grunts who committed war crimes. It’s just the nature of war. It’s an inherently evil institution. Yet as the ancient Greeks observed, it is also the father of all things. It brings out the best and the worst in human beings. War is a profiund spiritual crisis. But if a moviegoer is so intellectually lazy that picking up a history book or a memoir on the Vietnam War or any war for that matter and then expects that a movie must do all the heavy lifting, that moviergoer is a sterling object lesson of how in our culture important moral and polticial iessues have been dumbed down has dumbed down.
I met hardocre soldiers like Chris Kyle in “American Sniper.” But I also met compassionate soldiers like Sgt. Elais in “Platoon.” Yet both became fictional characters because a filmmaker always takes artisitic license with his or her creation. Shakespeare has chimes ringing from clocks in his tragedy of Julius Ceasar. So I think this crticism or perhaps scorn heaped on “American Sniper” or “Zero Dark Thirty” to be clearly disingenious, ideologically motivated and politically partisan.
You cannot change the nature of war. But the nature of war will definitely change you. And very quickly I lost my moral compass in judging the wounded grunts on the ward.. And I was opposed to the Iraq War resolution from day one. The propaganda campaign reminds me eerily of LBJ’s Gulf of Tonkin resolution. And I told civilians that I feared this war would be a major foreign policy debacle like the war I saw and experienced as a naive, young man who had never been proiperly introduced to the drak side of American foreign policy. But many civilians, especially, the hawkish civilians, who wanted payback for the 9/11 and had drank the kool-aid, just told me in so many words that I was just another aging Vietnam veteran who was frozen in time and trapped in the past.
If there is really such a thing as karma, I want to come back as a civilian. A civlian is a fellow citizen who believes he or she will never die. But I saw the thrid act as a young man. And unlike fellow Vietnam veterans such as Sens. John Kerry, John McCain and Chuck Hagel who voted for the Iraq War resoution, I never forget those painful lessons I learned as a young man in Vietnam. Never trust the brass and even more so the suits that sent us there: there was no good wars but ony necessry war; and only the dead have seen the end of war.
Thank you for your comment.
The Veitanam war was a war crime.
no American heros at all only kiling cunts who sold out their soul for patriotism.
America is a sick evil society that kills others.
Fuck you
Unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, very few volunteered to go to VIetnam. I am not excusing the war crimes but if you think everybody wearing the uniform was a war criminal, it only means that you never risked getting drafted, and that you never served.
My brother was drafted but the war ended before his displacement
i was a cadet.
Conscription was all the rage you war monger
My cousins went to vietnam and were never the same again
Sounds to me like your cousins went to war and you were never the same. Everyone is a victim of a war.
Hopefully, someday you can work past your rage and be a positive anti-war force. Good luck.
Conscription was all the rage you war monger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Australia
My brother was drafted but never went. But my cousins were and they were never the same again.
Everyone that went to Nam was a criminal including my cousins you pathetic patriotic cunt
I did three years in the cadets where we were taught how to kill gooks.
Choppers, Caribous 303s bren guns slrs.
Holdsworthy Singleton. tthree weeks bivouacs.
I was the company’s runner you fuck
I qualified as marksman with a grouping of 20 shots at five inches over 800 meters.
Marksman for others is sniper
i later became a profession fox shooter. One miss in twenty at up to 1000 meters.
I used a .177 saiko with a tasco 20 sight.
I have used 444 marlins for pig shooting.
i am am an expert rifleman
I qualified as marksman with a 20 shot five inch grouping with open shights with a world war one 303
The range crown Sargent said it was the best he had seen from a cadet.
@TomBrowns’ shooldaze’
What country are you from? In which country exists a society that is not sick or evil?
No, Fuck you!
-A Non American
Fuck you you war monger
“if a moviegoer is so intellectually lazy . . . and then expects that a movie must do all the heavy lifting . . .”
I thought about this statement for a while. It passes by so easily, like “Ah yes, of course, we’re all so lazy.” but it seems this is exactly what a movie should be doing. It should be building a kind of skeleton for viewer’s mind to flesh out. This is the heavy lifting.
Even a movie like David Lynch’s Inland empire has a structure – sort of like one of those faceted crystals you hang in the window, it looks a bit different from every angle you look at it. Of course, no one imagines that this is a factual account of anything. “Zero dark thirty”, on the other hand, pretended to be a factual account, and turned out to be false.
When people go to the movies, they are shown, in part, what kinds of ideas are acceptable, and this has an impact no matter how many books they read. When a film maker creates a “blockbuster” film that misrepresents how the world works, it sets into motion chains of choices that can multiply into very negative consequences further down the road. The Gulf of Tonkin incident is almost a model for how movies are made these days : The audience is placed in a state of shock by some series of violent images, and in this state, an idea can be more easily implanted, like some kind of psychological rape.
It doesn’t have to be a book specifically about the war. The trick is to care and to not be mentally lazy. Too many won’t pull it off, which is why we’re in a mess. Soon, We here in Canada will be voting for a new prime minister and the pollsters are saying that Stephen Harper is ahead of the other candidates in popularity. I encourage people to read – anything. I try to shame people into not being lazy. It’s an uphill battle. The system is designed to turn people into cattle. Consumer culture and barbaric work culture and the sheer difficulty (austerity) of dealing with life, made so difficult by trouble making leaders, makes getting people to pull away and work at being real citizens difficult. Any reading is good, to start. I was always curious and just enjoyed learning. I read anything. Hobbes Leviathan was completely unfathomable to me, but I read it. All of Churchill’s World War 2 books I read, not knowing what a fiend he is. But that’s okay. In time, I stumbled upon the alternative media. That, though, was purely by chance. No one ever even uttered the phrase to me. In any case, From that time, I slowly began to lean on sources I found trustworthy. That snowballs and as your awareness of the network of progressives grows, so does your knowledge until you yourself are a filter that others can use. One thing we can do for the babes is help them get to we are quicker than they would on their own. I just tell people about the alternative media, basically. Then it’s up to them to care. You can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. (Don’t know whether that’s a fact, but you get the point.)
Liberals generally get things backwards, a result produced by continually chasing their own tails.
A country does not go to war because movies make people feel good about doing so. Rather, the leaders maneuver their country into war, people suffer in consequence, and then go to the movies to try and feel a little bit better.
Liberals can’t stand to see someone who is not suffering – even for the short time it takes to watch a movie. To ensure others will be as miserable as they themselves, they demand movies with stern lectures, forcing the audience to confront its own evil nature, and remorselessly squeezing the last vestiges of human hope into dry dust.
Consider the dynamics of any war – take Iraq for example. Were the people, their judgment skewed by watching too many Rambo movies, screaming to be led to war in Iraq? Or were the leaders slowly weaving a web of deceit, manipulating the general public into acquiescing to a war planned long in advance? People do not force their reluctant leaders to war – in general, the opposite is true. Göring, when faced with a situation where he had nothing to lose by telling the truth said, “Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?”
Therefore, everyone should enjoy their two hours of mindless escape from reality at the movies, unracked by guilt that by doing so, they are developing a bloodlust which will destroy the world. Maybe the Bushes and Clintons should be banned from watching American Sniper, but most other people have little to worry about.
So if non-intellectuals like see this film and then tweet that they would like to kill Arabs/Muslims (search tweets on American Sniper and see how much hatred this movie generated in the minds to your Patriotic Republican Red State Dwellers) because they actually believed what was shown in the movie to be the exact historical account of not just the events but the character of Arabs then who is responsible. On one hand you will condemn a Mullah in Pakistan spewing hate about Americans by giving similar account of torture leading to incitement of hatred eventually turning into acts of terror and on the other hand you will accept American Sniper as just entertainment. How convenient! This is where the American people like you are taking your nation down the drain. Stand up and be responsible for all your actions and not just trivialize everything. This movie will and has already had a major impact on American Society. It has solidified an already distorted image of vile, terrorist Arabs and Muslims in the minds of simpletons who saw this movie. These people love their soldiers (and righly so) and if one their heroes portrays the enemy in the way it portrays in AS then who are they confront and reject that opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leni_Riefenstahl
I’m not a Bush or a Clinton, but I have nothing to worry about. I’ll never go see the trash that is “American Sniper”.
So there isn’t any such thing as a propaganda movie? Your comment is incredibly naive and your comments about liberals are just silly.
The people who go to see American Sniper do so because they like it. That may demonstrate they are jingoistic morons. But only liberals are silly enough to believe they are jingoistic morons because they went to see that movie, as opposed to some other leftist approved movie.
The fundamental problem of the left is they believe in collective action. They are therefore doomed to wander in circles lamenting the fact that everyone else doesn’t ‘wake up’ and plead to be led into battle under the banner of light and reason.
Meanwhile anyone sensible goes about their own business, unconcerned about who watches American Sniper. If other people are idiots, that is not a condition to be lamented, or ‘cured’ by forcing them to watch politically correct movies, but an opportunity to be exploited. Which is the basis of American Capitalism – the most successful system ever devised.
Idiots should be exploited for financial gain? Are you parodying Ayn Rand or something?
Perhaps we need a new movie rating category – NB – No Brain – viewers who think this is history class not admitted. Seriously, movies already cater to the lowest common denominator – enervating plots, boring stories, rehashes of old themes , all framed with special effects and hyped, breathless action.
I have been arguing this same point for many years. Hollywood does not want to accept their responsibility for copycats. Nor for the more serious matters you illustrate here. Well done.
I saw American Sniper and did NOT feel anything was skewed. Iraqis were not demonized. There was a story there if you weren’t paying attention or DID NOT EVEN WATCH it. It was a great tale. I can’t wait for the book to read the whole thing for MYSELF.
The picture you used made me want to post this here.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/my-gitmo-clients-interpreter-worked-for-the-cia.html
Also, there’s a largely overlooked documentary you might not have seen called, “JFK: The Smoking Gun” (2013). An Australian forensic investigator places a supposed “ex-CIA” agent in the president’s Secret Service detail for only about 30 days, yet somehow in the middle of the Daly Plaza follow car carrying an M-16 before the military had them. The film suggest the fatal head shot was fired from the hip “by accident,” though he was also apparently the only member of the detail somehow not drinking all night long and then going on duty with little or no sleep. The film refuses to provide any other possibly more nefarious answers, but it doesn’t take a seriously critical eye to see readily available darker conclusions – and understand those might’ve prevented the film ever being released.
Seen that.
Dont believe it though
They might not have had M-16s then, but Colt had been making AR-15s since 1959 and it’s quite possible the Secret Service had some by late 1963.
I have fired an armalite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHY14OVk7r0
Fuck the brits and death to the tommys
And it’s down Along the bogroad, that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
I was stopped by a soldier, said he, You are a swine,
He hit me with his rifle and he kicked me in the groin,
I begged and I pleaded, sure me manners were polite
But all the time I’m thinking of me little Armalite.
And it’s down in The bogside that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
Sure a brave RUC man came marching up into our street
Six hundred British soldiers whe had lined up at his feet
Come out, ye cowardly Fenians, said he, come out and fight.
But he cried, I’m only joking, when he heard the Armalite.
Sure it’s down in Kilwilkie, that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
Sure, the army came to visit me, ’twas in the early hours,
With Saladins and Saracens and Ferret armoured cars
They thought they had me cornered, but I gave them all a fright
With the armour piercing bullets of my little Armalite.
And it’s down in the New lodge that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
When Tuzo came to Belfast, he said, The battle’s won,
Said General Ford, We’re winning sir, we have them on the run.
But corporals and privates on patrol at night,
Said, Send for reinforcements, it’s the bloody Armalite.
And it’s up in Ballymurphy, that’s where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
I believe the film, inspired by a 1992 book Mortal Error, actually shows photos of agent Hickey holding that weapon. And you’re correct it was an AR-15. I’ll have to watch it again. Both the book and the film present ballistics evidence ignored by the Warren Commission and try to suggest cover-up versus conspiracy, probably for the obvious publication reasons. For myself, I typically just keep an open mind until I have enough pieces of any puzzle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error
Corrections: Agent Hickey had 4 months service and apologies for the Chicage spelling of Dealey.
Sorry Illinois, no apology for the Chicago typo, stuff happens.
Cheers.
jimmy
I was born in a Chicago street
But the masonic black and tans were cowards all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCnGD6xv5ik
I begin to think IS or ISIS is a movement no different to the glorious IRA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP6oWExnoRQ
My gg uncle was a Captain Rock. Fuck you all that would confined us
The most wanted man in all Ireland and his brother my gg grandfather sent for life to Australia.
Fingletons rule.
They are Fenians.
Fuck you Masons
I would add the factor of direct American government military support for pro-war movies. Anti-war movies, “Apocalypse Now”, “Platoon”, didn’t get free tanks to play with. Shows that make war look fun on the other hand, “Transformers”, “Top Gun” get vehicles, the loan of actual troops and training for actors, free of charge. (Zero Dark Thirty added a new wrinkle when it became perhaps the first film made with the assistance of government briefings on classified information that was supposedly too sensitive to release to, …you know…journalists. )
I don’t know how much public funding went into advising on the action scenes in “American Sniper”, or whether these particular movie makers got loaned troops and jeeps, just that this is to say that however you come down on making your Oscar picks, I would question the legitimacy of the government subsidizing pro-war films.
…did I mention “Act of Valor”?, it stars, yes “stars” active duty soldiers:
-‘Act Of Valor’ And The Military’s Long Hollywood Mission
“Still, public opinion polls matter to the military more than box office numbers, and by 2007, the military realized it had to shift perceptions to up recruiting for the nation’s two draining, unpopular wars. Bolstered by findings in the 2006 Quadrennial Defense Review, an internal report that set a goal of increasing Special Operations Forces enlistment by 15 percent, the Navy solicited recruiting video pitches from friendly producers.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/act-of-valor-military-hollywood_n_1284338.html
…and I’m not questioning the legitimacy of military supported films, only because it tilts the playing field in Hollywood, giving some film makers an economic advantage, although there is that, and it is remarkable that the mainstream media isn’t screaming about the free market and how government involvement is always bad. No, I’m more concerned about the health of democracy, and the effect military propaganda has on what presumably Americans want, an informed citizenry.
-7 heinous lies “American Sniper” is telling America
“Although the movie is an initial box office hit, there is a growing backlashagainst its simplistic portrayal of the war and misleading take on Kyle’s character. This backlash has reportedly spread among members of the Academy of Motion Picture of Arts and Sciences, which could threaten the film’s shot at racking up Oscars.”
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/23/7_enormous_lies_american_sniper_is_telling_america_partner/
Or if you still aren’t sure about “American Sniper”, you can just take Pamela Geller’s word on it:
pamelagellerDOTcom – Pamela Geller – “Tonight I saw a film that all Americans should see. Finally, a modern film that made me proud to be an American: American Sniper. It tells the truth about the war we are in and the savages we are fighting (a word used repeatedly, I might add).”
Geller, is of course the lady who was writing stupid anti-Muslim things about the shooter Anders Behring Breivik in Norway,….until she found out he was a Muslim hating Christian…and an admirer of hers:
“Then things went horribly wrong. It turned out that the suspected terrorist in Norway wasn’t a Muslim. He hated Muslims. And he admired Geller.
In a manifesto posted online, the admitted killer, Anders Behring Breivik, praised Geller. He cited her blog, Atlas Shrugs, and the writings of her friends, allies, and collaborators—Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch, Islam Watch, and Front Page magazine—more than 250 times. And he echoed their tactics, tarring peaceful Muslims with the crimes of violent Muslims.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2011/07/christian_terrorism.html
American Sniper… was that the film Hitler was watching in the movie theater the terrorists attacked in Inglorious Basterds? :)
“They are right—Hollywood is not a classroom”
I know what you mean, but I think a lot of people would disagree with this statement on a number of levels, most notably the fact that movies are a window into the collective subconscious of the audience.
As for JFK, it wasn’t only that Oliver Stone suggested a conspiracy which caused such a backlash, it was the way he suggested it, which roped too many people into the conspiracy (Bell helicopter?!).
The shooting was reconstructed recently by a group of Canadian forensics experts using models that replicate human bone and flesh, and they were able to reproduce everything right down to the shape of the bullet hole in Connolly’s back from the perch in the book depository.
If you were to visit the grassy knoll in Dallas, you would see that the area looks a lot smaller in actuality than it does on film. The distance from the window of the book depository to the car is only about 180 feet. I’m not taking a position on who the shooter was, but a boy scout with rifle training could have made those shots.
You know nothing
Eloquent in its brevity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
Project paperclip.
project MkUltra
Project bluebird
Project articcoke
Project MKNAOIME
Project MKDelta
project Mockingbird
There are so many more but know that the TV and the movies and Music are being used to mind control the masses.
Mind Kontrolle by Josef_Mengele coming to a theatre near you.
Wake the fuck up people.
American cowards killing innocents and notching their butts.
A coward will not face his enemy, for he loves to lurk in darkness and murder from depravity’s secret hide without conscience.
That Amwericans flock in sheeple droves to adore cowardness makes me say again, Fuck America, Death to America.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/29/jesse-ventura-wins-1-8-million-in-damages-against-chris-kyle-slain-navy-seal-sniper/
The biggest coward that ever was Cris Klyle
How disgusting is America
UPDATE: July 29, 4:35 p.m.: Reaction on Twitter to the news is extremely emotional, especially from those reflecting on the sadness of Kyle’s widow, Taya, being forced to pay damages to Ventura. Some examples:
Yes, taking a million from Chris Kyle’s widow will definitely restore your good name with the mil…I can’t even finish it.
— Sarah Stevenson (@sarahrstevenson) July 29, 2014
Sad coda to the sad case of murdered SEAL sniper Chris Kyle:his estate needs to pay $1.8M for defaming Jesse Ventura. http://t.co/GMzKCHbnYl — Yochi Dreazen (@yochidreazen) July 29, 2014
Disgusting RT @BlogsofWar: Jesse Ventura wins $1.8 million in damages against Chris Kyle, slain Navy SEAL sniper http://t.co/uRRrCFh1uV
— Jackie Wellfonder (@Wellfonder) July 29, 2014
Muslim cowards do the same thing. In fact, ALL COWARDS are in fact COWARDS. It doesn’t matter their ethnicity.
We’re coming up on the centennial of “Birth of a Nation,” by D.W. Griffiths.
http://news.yahoo.com/birth-nation-100-years-debate-film-endures-171039979
This, QED, perhaps make’s the article’s point. A well-recognized, well-made film can not only not show accurate history but can actually shape what history the public believes. This film not only gave us panoramic and panning shots, but a deceptive narrative of the South and race that persists to this day.
Speaking of anniversaries;I haven’t seen one item yet about this year being the 800th year of the Magna Carta?Freedom is so passe’ and yesterday,eh?
That’s right; it’s coming up in June. It was the foundation of modern Anglo-American rule of law. Pity, that.
I just googled it and apparently there are several events planned and several website talking about it. Check the British Library website.
Peter: regarding this — “I’m not really concerned about “The Imitation Game” or “Selma” or for that matter, “Argo” or “The King’s Speech,” because nobody is going to die from the wrong lessons they might impart …” — that is true of those films. However, film propaganda can get people killed: “Birth of a Nation” is proof of that. There’s also the decades of anti-LGBT defamation from Hollywood (see “The Celluloid Closet” for examples), which may have been the proximate cause of many gay-bashings and suicides. No positive role models, just dangerous or pitiable stereotypes.
Worth considering in the context of “Imitation Game”, which you point out. Even now, even given a sympathetic LGBT character as a protagonist, and not a victim, they still come out inaccurate, or coming to a bad end. It’s true in “Imitation Game,” it was true in “Milk” and that horrible cowboy movie. About the only mainstream films I can think of where the gay character is a protagonist, does drive events and not wind up dead were “Victor/Victoria,” the Ivory/Merchant film “Maurice”, and the old Basil Dearden film “Victim.”
If you want to cry foul on the academy awards nominations, what’s up with the Lego movie not getting nominated?
Back to the article. Good points made. I haven’t seen American Sniper yet, but I did see many of the other movies mentioned including Zero Dark Thirty. I didn’t think Zero Dark Thirty was as pro-torture as all the critics implied. I think the fact that the movie showed torture resulted in increased awareness of the fact that we were torturing people and a few years later we finally got the torture report. You can argue that the film made the false assumption that the torture resulted in the capture of Osama Bin Laden, but the director didn’t have access to classified information so prior to the senate torture report, the director had no way of knowing that this was a spurious claim by the government.
Once again, due to your inability or undesirability to do the least bit of research, or to have already come to know by having read Glenn Greenwald and other informed writers, you’ve posted a comment that is completely inaccurate and is easily shown to be so.
I suggest you click the link I’m providing and read the entire article. You’ll learn a lot by doing so.
Zero Dark Thirty: New torture-glorifying film wins raves
1st: Your comment doesn’t explain why The Lego Movie didn’t get nominated.
2nd: My point was that the movie wasn’t unabashedly pro-torture. The characters make comments to each other (to the effect) that you want to get out of here (Guantanamo) before the truth comes out and we all get busted for doing something illegal. And the movie allows the American public to sit in a theater and watch the military torture people. I saw it in the theaters and everyone cringed during the waterboarding scenes. After the film ended, I think a lot of people walked out of that movie thinking, wow, I can’t believe the military was torturing people like that. I don’t think most people left the theaters thinking, wow, torture is a great idea.
As to your link about Glenn Greenwald saying it is demonstrably false, the film was probably in production for years before it was made and the details about torture dribbled out slowly. They still haven’t fully been released seeing as how the public has only seen a condensed version of the full senate torture report. And Diane Feinstein argued that the condensed version of the senate torture report (which nearly wasn’t released at all) had to be released to set the record straight that torture was not responsible for catching Bin Laden. And this was a long time after the movie came out.
Again, I am not saying the movie didn’t get it wrong. It clearly did. I am just saying that there is some subtle context to it and that it isn’t all the fault of the producer / director / studio. A lot of the fault lies on the government for not being transparent about what occurred. One of the problems with the whole security clearance system is that there are no checks and balances (or very limited at best) and abuse can occur (and has occurred) in the shadows.
If you read Glenn’s entire post, which was written, as I said, in December of 2012, you would note that he and a whole lot of other people knew well before the film came out that the producers simply lied about bin Laden and torture. I suppose one could say they wanted to believe something other than the truth, and so they did, but since they were working on a project of that magnitude, I give them even way less slack than the general public that they could have been ignorant of the truth about torture not leading to the bin Laden compound raid.
I don’t see any excuse for remaining so ignorant about matters so important, especially so when one is choosing to pass along the ignorance.
I think that issue–did torture help find bin Laden–has been debated in the media for quite a while, with bits of classified information emerging over the years, pro and con. I think there was ample information in the public domain for the makers of ZDT to provide a more balanced view; they chose not to, because they believed what they believed, imo.
The academy nominators were sour to the Lego Movie from all the times of stepping on their children’s Lego bricks at home.
The ‘aesthetic’ school of film criticism ignores politics because they want to hide the fact that EVERY film contains some. And some more than others. Film is not just an aesthetic experience, it is also propaganda. It is good Maass points this out once again. However, his rather lax attitude to some films like ‘Selma; – remember, Hoover worked for LBJ; “The King’s Speech” (a celebration of humanizing royalty…) and especially ‘Argo’ is disturbing. “Argo’ was an anti-Iranian propaganda film that plays well with the present needs of the U.S. government. See the review on the Mayday Books blog for a more fulsome description of where that film went.
I agree that those films had accuracy problems (though probably not Selma). My point is that those problems don’t cause the sort of grave harm that is caused by the problems of American Sniper and Zero Dark Thirty.
If you’re referring to J Edgar, LBJ really couldn’t get rid of him. There would have been considerable backlash for doing so. Also Hoover was secretive and probably shielded quite a bit of his work from LBJ, so I don’t think Johnson fully knew what he was doing. Argo was anti-Iranian, but also pretty much dumped all over the help received from Commonwealth Nations.
President’s can always get rid of someone if they want. As Earl Ofari Hutchinson pointed out, LBJ actually made Hoover head of the FBI … for life.
LBJ also benefited from the assassination of MLK because it removed a prominent anti-war critic. Not ‘knowing’ what your FBI is doing, just like ‘not
knowing’ what the CIA is doing. It is part of standard deniability methods. And who said he didn’t know? He did know about the spying on MLK.
Uh oh, another Peter Maass article not blindly worshipping American Sniper? I wonder if it will get the same backlash the last article got. Also, even the actors themselves agree with films shaping public perception. A problem is that they believe American Sniper is an accurate portrayal of military engagement in the ME.
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/bradley-cooper-expected-to-speak-at-white-house-got-your-6-event-for-veterans-1201418917/
I think they are somewhat selective about what they contend is true. They focus on what Kayle thought/saw. I don’t think they assert that the movie shows or even attempts to show what the reality on the other side of the American gun was. And that other side, imo, is a truth without which this movie is fatally flawed.
Fair point. I haven’t seen the movie, but it sounds like things as viewed from Kyle’s perspective were accurate, but it left out a lot of other viewpoints that are necessary to paint a broader picture. My understanding is Got Your 6 wants to focus on films that accurately portray veterans not as heroes or as sympathy cases, but as everyday people. It will be interesting to see how they treat the hero aspect with future films. I don’t think veterans necessarily view themselves as heroes, but the populace loves films showcasing American military strength. Hollywood likes to portray U.S. soldiers as good guys performing extraordinary feats to fill movie theaters.
Peter, thank you so much for this article. I’ve been saying something along these same lines for a long time now. People who think movies are made just to entertain us are recklessly wading through a sea of propaganda from where they can’t come ashore without some water in their stomachs. Rambo movies were all about American patriotism (the third installment seemed to praise the U.S.-backed mujahideen in Afghanistan), even apparently harmless films like “Battle: L.A.” or “Battleship” act as militaristic propaganda, carefully crafted to subliminally engage the audience with pro-war messages. Whenever you confront those film-makers and film critics with this perspective, however, they almost always defend their work as “mere entertainment”. The same strategies are being used in computer and video games for quite some time now.
I generally agree but I think Rambo-style movies are more clearly understood and marketed as fiction, insofar as the characters involved are concerned, as well as specific battle spaces. Not so with American Sniper, Zero Dark Thirty etc.
You’d be surprised. Hollywood/CIA isn’t shy about utilizing any genre. (They even twisted Orwell’s widow’s arm and somehow got the right from her to fiddle with his 1984 so as to make Communism look more evil and capitalism look more good. The movie was an animated version calculated to be more amenable to audiences whose first language wasn’t English, without making unappealing to English speaking audiences.) Comedies are fine. Have a look at the list of movies that the CIA and Pentagon have had a hand in and you’ll see that for yourself. Visit a bookstore and take a glance at “The CIA In Hollywood.”