On September 14, 2011, the CIA sent an alarming message to the Pentagon: a decorated U.S. special operations commando admitted during a job interview with the agency to hunting down and killing “an unknown, unarmed” Afghan man.
The claim triggered an investigation that spanned years and saw U.S. Army Major Mathew L. Golsteyn stripped of his Silver Star. While the admission has been reported in the press, the Army’s investigation into the alleged killing has been largely conducted in secrecy.
The Intercept has obtained internal U.S. Army documents that detail elements of the military’s investigation into the alleged killing and a previously undisclosed letter of reprimand Golsteyn received last year.
“In an interview conducted at the CIA, then-CPT Golsteyn claimed to have captured and shot and buried a suspected IED bomb maker,” an Army memo dated September 29, 2014 reads. “He further went to comment that he went back out with two others to cremate the body and dispose of the remains. In the transcript, CPT Golsteyn stated that he knew it was illegal but was not remorseful as he had solid intelligence and his actions protected the safety of his fellow teammates.”
Following the September 2011 CIA interview, the agency alerted the military of a “possible violation of criminal law.” In October, the Army launched a criminal probe. The next month, Golsteyn was promoted to the rank of major.
Two years later, in November 2013, U.S. Army criminal investigators concluded that Golsteyn had knowingly violated the laws of war, alleging he had committed the crimes of “murder and conspiracy.” Army Secretary John McHugh stripped Golsteyn of his Silver Star and other awards. However, Golsteyn remains in the military and no criminal charges have been filed against him. Golsteyn received the Silver Star in 2011 for his role in a mission to hunt down enemy snipers in Afghanistan.
Maj. Mathew Golsteyn (Right) in Afghanistan with an Afghan soldier (Photo released by Rep. Duncan Hunter’s office)
Golsteyn’s lawyer, Phillip Stackhouse, says the Army document describing his client’s comments “contains incorrect information in several important and significant areas.” In an email to The Intercept, Stackhouse wrote, “What is true – is that during the investigation that lasted over two years, there was not one piece of evidence that corroborated the allegation.” He denounced the stripping of Golsteyn’s medals and charged that “Secretary McHugh’s actions were vindictive.”
Military law experts interviewed by The Intercept said that the confession alone was not enough to criminally prosecute him, so Army officials took the only route available to them — an administrative reprimand — to punish him.
Retired U.S. Army Lt. Col. Jeffrey Addicott, the former senior legal advisor for U.S. Army Special Forces, says the “Army acted correctly” in the case. The Geneva Conventions and corresponding Army regulations “require that whenever we receive information about a grave breach of the law of war we must investigate and take appropriate action,” wrote Addicott in an email to The Intercept. “The admission by the Captain that he had killed an unarmed unlawful enemy combatant in his custody (the 2001 AUMF would classify the person killed as such) and buried the body required further investigation.” Addicott, who currently runs the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary’s University in Texas, says the military would need “additional evidence” to obtain a conviction under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
“Someone could look at this and say, ‘My God, this is a slap on the wrist for a heinous, unjustified killing,’” says Professor Geoffrey Corn, an international and war law expert at the University of South Texas. “If I had been the JAG officer they came to, it would kill me not to be able to charge this guy.”
Corn, who spent 22 years as a military officer and served as the Army’s senior law of war expert in the Office of the Judge Advocate General, says that in order to criminally charge Golsteyn with murder, prosecutors would have to find corroborating evidence, such as a witness, a body, physical evidence or a co-conspirator. “The fact is that he admits to what — if it’s true — is as serious of a felony as we can imagine: intentional, unlawful killing of a human being, which is premeditated murder,” Corn told The Intercept. “If there was a viable criminal sanction, you’d have to do a general court martial. You’d have to. Nothing else would be credible. And you can’t because you can’t find corroboration for the confession.”
Golsteyn would have known the CIA would eventually polygraph him during his application to work with the CIA, according to Corn. “The odds that he’s gonna lie in that interview are pretty slim. So the context of the statement makes it highly credible,” he said. “Maybe he didn’t do it. Or maybe he killed somebody in a fight and he’s trying to embellish it to make it seem like he’s more hardcore than he is. I don’t know. The problem is all of that is speculative.”
Maj. Golsteyn was reprimanded for the alleged murder by Army Brigadier General Darsie D. Rogers in a letter dated April 24, 2014, also obtained by The Intercept.
“On 6 September 2011, during an interview with the Central Intelligence Agency, you admitted to committing a Law of Armed Conflict violation,” the letter begins. “You are hereby reprimanded. Your behavior in this matter manifests a complete lack of judgment and responsibility.”
The letter explains that the “reprimand is administrative in nature and is not imposed as punishment under the” Uniform Code of Military Justice.
“It’s a career ending administrative sanction for an officer. The stripping of the medals is peripheral. The real thing is once he gets this reprimand in his official file, then somebody’s going to say we should process him to be separated from the military—in other words, fire him,” says Corn. “The burden of proof is different for an administrative sanction than it is for a criminal sanction. That’s the law. You don’t need corroborating evidence.”
California Rep. Duncan Hunter, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, has publicly declared his support for the embattled soldier. Writing on Golsteyn’s case in an article for The Daily Beast in February, the Republican lawmaker, himself an Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran, lamented that, “The career of a decorated soldier and everything he has accomplished over a nearly fifteen-year service career has been taken away. The reason: an allegation that the Army was never able to substantiate.”
Speaking to The Intercept Wednesday, Hunter’s spokesman, Joe Kasper, argued that relying solely on the information contained in the Army’s documents could present a “one sided” view of the Golsteyn case. In the absence of a transcript, the context of the conversation Golsteyn had with the CIA remains unclear, he said, adding that the Army has failed to present evidence linking Golsteyn to any wrongdoing.
“The process has to have integrity,” Kasper said. “There has to be due process.”
This is not the first time soldiers with the Army’s 3rd Special Forces Group have been suspected of unlawfully killing Afghans and disposing of their bodies. In November 2013, Rolling Stone magazine presented evidence linking a unit with the special forces group to the disappearance — and suspected killing — of 10 Afghan civilians.
Golsteyn’s hearing to determine whether he will receive a less than honorable discharge from the Army is scheduled for May 18.
Photo: James Robinson/The Fayetteville Observer
Jeffrey Addicott is a public torture defender, specifically the cowardly, moral-relativist, “we were afraid of another attack” type. It is very disappointing to see The Intercept using him as a source as if he is a respectable public figure.
So what you’re saying is, he’ll fit right in?
Ok they have a confession from the guy but they cant procecute without proof? Who is going to confess to a murder with details that did not do it? This is whats wrong with the American Judicial system you shouldnt have to show proof for something you confess to because if you want to confess to murder and take what follows confessing to murder then regardless if you really did it or not make them pay the price let them no beforehand theres no takesbacksies so if they get the death penalty or life in prison that it will be served out, if they still want to confess then so be it.
Speeding tickets at the Indie 500.
So the ROI are now so ridiculous, the only way SF can pop bad guys is to sneak off base after work.
What part of WAR zone does somebody have a hard time understanding. As to Retired U.S. Army Lt. Col. Jeffrey Addicott, I doubt he ever heard a shot fired past him during his career as a lawyer in uniform so his opinion, in my opinion, is worthless….
“Retire Vet”, I “repeat” that for effect! He made an informed decision and stands by it. He is still a hero because he did what was necessary despite the consequences to defend his comrades.
Its a difficult situation, I would not want to be the leadership that had to make a decision in this case. On one hand you have a decorated soldier who served his country with accolades and accomplishments that many admire; on the other hand he murdered someone, an unarmed Afghan and conspired to cover it up. That behavior is not honorable. We are an invading force in their country and some Afghans believe they are fighting an insurgency of a foreign military, which technically we are. So when some make bombs and attack those soldiers their motives aren’t just to commit violence. They believe they are fighting for their country just like our soldiers believe they are. Can we really blame them for that after some of the atrocities that our military has committed in their country? We invaded that country under the guise of a humanitarian mission but the world knows why we are truly there, for their resources. Some would stand and fight rather than submit. I admire those who stand and fight for their beliefs and country if they do it honorably. The average Afghan is desperate though. They are not a standing military with the resources we have so they fight like rebels.
The world is wondering how many of this “heroes” would be enlisted in that Special Service ( “S.S” ?…).
Will the truth silence Duncan Hunter? His behavior during the Golstein saga is reprehensible and laughable at the same time. His immaturity was hard to watch. Unfortunately for Duncan a Hunter, he thought he was in the corner of another Will Swenson, who was wronged but did no wrong other than being a weirdo. Goldstein on the other hand is nothing short of a war criminal with Hunter in his corner spewing insults at the Army over his treatment. What say you now Duncan? More insults? More spin? Your a clown kid who has a lot of statesmanship to learn before you warrant any respect.
Next step in the punishment process: A book gets written and/or a movie gets made about the “courageous” exploits of this poor persecuted soldier. Ah, the glorification of murdering those we hate.
I know you two trade in bummers, but can we celebrate the 2nd Circuit going haywire? Until you get timely, you are just a five and dime waste of dwell time.
I am so HAPPY! Let’s go for a WALK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DePFiF-nNoE
Details of the case and reprimand aside, he should not have been stripped of a valor award. Service awards for the period, sure, but not valor. As an English King once said, I would hang a man for a crime, but I would let him wear his VC on the gallows.
Quit Right
Praise Jebuss, we got us a rodeo! Bulk collection was never authorized by Congress! So says the 2nd Circuit, so I’m shocked.
Apocalypse Now (1979) Captain Benjamin L. Willard (Martin Sheen)… murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500.This is not a new story it has been going on for a long time, throughout history. When Empires have far flung interests and wage war often with poor situational understanding and bad planning soldiers too often end up faced with making decisions of questionable morality. This happened in 1969 when I was in Special Forces. I and others never in such a situation should count themselves blessed. All citizens have a right to judge, bad war and bad actions within war but justice like morality in warfare is illusive. This is why war should remain at the bottom not the top of the toolbox of State.
Article
The “Green Beret Affair”: A Brief Introduction
by Bob Seals
http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thCentury/articles/greenberets.aspxhttp://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thCentury/articles/greenberets.aspx
Excerpts:
The 1969 Green Beret Affair brought up issues that continue to resonate in our Global War on Terror with SF continuing to operate in that shadowy world of unconventional warfare. Occasionally these issues surface and come to the attention of the press and American public as per the 3rd SFGA Special Forces Detachment that faced recent charges of premeditated murder for shooting an “enemy combatant.”
In the end what would the “Green Beret Affair” signify? Was it, as one author has suggested, a sort of a “Caine Mutiny of the Vietnam War,” raising complex issues of morality, murder and professional jealousy?[31] Was the execution of an identified double, or perhaps triple, agent murder, or simply standard operating procedure old as warfare itself?
The irony is that the military does exactly such missions, tracking down and killing bomb-makers armed or unarmed, whether by drones or bombs or some other means. This man’s crime, with penalties up to and including death, is not killing the bomb-maker, but exceeding his station.
Quit right.
You may be onto something with that…………something worth investigating philosophically.
Thanks. I have decided to no longer ask job interview candidates to give an example of a time they showed initiative and independent decision making capabilities in their previous work.
Paperwork can be so tedious sometimes…
Benito, Only you could bring a bit of levity to this story. I laughed out loud, then felt a little guilty. Thanks for your great posts…always the “realist.” And Fred Cowan, spot on…Our Govt puts soldiers in this position and it’s much too simple/easy to judge a decision in the field from the safety of a desk. Like “Lone Survivor,” should the team have killed the herder? Is one mans life > than 3 seal team members and countless Taliban/tribe members? IDK, glad I didn’t have to make that decision. I only know that “we”/our govt have put them in those positions. We are guilty, there’s plenty of blame to go around. Now how do we stop it?
The real sum of a good soldier’s fears is get it wrong with life in the balance and live to regret it for the rest of yours.
Yes, and as those regrets sink in — despite so many civilians pretending they’re Heroes for attacking foreigners in their own country in an undeclared war — dozens of of our soldiers commit suicide every day, at greater risk than on any battlefield.
After the slaughters our esteemed leaders have ordered (continue to order through drone warfare?) in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia, and have actively condoned in half a dozen other ME and African countries where US surrogates have pulled the triggers this seems rather small potatoes.
Want to hang someone for war crimes? I suggest Cheney, Bush, Rummy, Obama, and their buddies. That might be more affective in ending US aggression in the world.
Of course, you could make progress in leaps and bounds with Cheney et al. but not bringing guys like Golsteyn to account, protects the high profile guys you mentioned above. More importantly, it’s worthwhile bringing everyone involved into account (high or low rank) on principle, as it addresses the vacuum of justice we witness. The sooner that happens, the sooner we can draw the curtains on this nightmare of a war. Also, it does well for America’s image problem.
Mind you, i don’t think the Golsteyn story carries out justice or some form of accountability at all.
> ” he was making I.E.D.’s”. and he was killed? What lie do you want to believe? George Bush said “WMD’s and WE don’t torture”
Killing using drones to keep our hands clean isn’t murder?
WHAT ISN’T A LIE IS BURIED BY SECRECY ACT – and the best example it the “torture report”
No wonder the guy thought it was okay to reveal something like this – accountability? What accountability?!
This novel, brave step by the military is more acknowledgement than accountability – dissociating yourself from the guy. And here’s the crisis for the big exit: to hug or not to hug. Mind you, Other Than Honorable exits can still be eligible for Post 9/11 GI Benefits.
That’s the penalty for murder. Get out of here..
They make you move mountains to get an inch – not even.
Given the article’s identification of two potential corroborating witnesses (who the subject told the CIA accompanied him when he went back to burn the body), one has to wonder how diligently the military “justice” officials investigated the case, before dropping it for lack of independent evidence corroborating his confession to the CIA. In any event,surely he could be court-martialed for “conduct unbecoming an officer”, based on his own statement to the CIA — either he lied to the CIA in order to get a job with that agency or he truthfully admitted to murder (either of which surely is “conduct unbecoming an officer”).
War, in essence, is getting away with murder, although when putting it that way, my stomach turns. I don’t want to know anyone who thinks killing someone is a good thing and desireable. War cheapens the lives of your “enemies”, otherwise any decent person would not be able to kill them, so it’s no surprise when soldiers step outside the rules of engagement, and if the Uniform Code of Military Justice cannot or will not apply when that happens, we must conlude the Code is “fatally” flawed and in need of change. I’ve heard first hand stories of murders committed by soldiers, backed up by home video, that make this story sound mild in comparison, so why the furor over this man’s murder? Why? Because we should all care what is being done in our name. Unfortunately, an accounting of the abominable things done in war is rarely ever attempted and never against the “victors”. The last time was in 1949 after WWII with the Geneva Convention’s Rules of War emerging as a product of that accounting. Somehow, even though the US is a signatory to that Convention, we have managed to sidestep many if not most of those rules in the prosecution of the GWOT. We have a rogue military which includes the CIA, NSA, and the civilian leaders who theoretically are in command. This Major, however distasteful it is, cannot be legally convicted without corroborating evidence. One has to wonder how thorough the investigation into his confessed killing of the civilian was, if there was one at all. Those who have never been in combat cannot and should not sit in judgement of those who have to survive in a warzone. I, for one, won’t. Bring our troops home.
Those who have never been in combat cannot and should not sit in judgement of those who have to survive in a warzone.. – jgreen7801
My reply is not reflective of your entire comment; but if only those that have been to war can judge those sent, then ought not we all go to war? If we all cannot go to war, then why is it only some can judge? This does not seem to follow.
In other words, warmongering requires warmongers. Intent does not matter – just advocacy does. So, if we only let those we allow to fight to judge themselves, is this not just confirmation bias?
On another note: many thanks for your advocacy in speaking up on the value of speaking out to affect change. I know I’ve felt the backlash from what presumably would be kindred spirits on the issue of self-advocacy and representational democracy. It’s nice to see when one is not alone on this basic democratic responsibility – a responsibility that history has shown us that when used properly, it can and does affect change.
“CPT Golsteyn stated that he knew it was illegal but was not remorseful as he had solid intelligence and his actions protected the safety of his fellow teammates.”
“[The US Government] stated that they knew it was illegal but was not remorseful as [The US Government] had solid intelligence and [The US Government] actions protected the safety of [US Interests].”
Trickle-down idiocy, anyone?
The next month, Golsteyn was promoted to the rank of major.
The next [election, Americans] promoted [yet another warmonger].
And the hits just keep on coming.
Sillyputty–Green berets are usually the best and the brightest, these are not your “rambos” or “warmongers.” They’re smart and usually socially adept people who don’t necessarily follow the rules “just because.” Rules of the jungle do apply. No remorse is likely because the “value” of team-members trumps everything else, you’d do anything for those fighting along side you. You rarely will find warmongers within the military, after all it’s their lives at risk, it’s the politicians and those profiting from war you need to focus on.
“Green berets are usually the best and the brightest, these are not your “rambos” or “warmongers.” – Former Military
Thanks for sharing that. My comment referenced Americans [electing] another [warmonger] – not what any of our military are or are not.
“Rules of the jungle do apply…” – Former Military
As a Current Taxpayer, the rule of American law and the International laws of war are supposed to apply. The ‘rules of the jungle’ is the short-sighted, inhuman mindset that helped get us into our most current quagmire – not keep us out of one.
“As a Current Taxpayer, the rule of American law and the International laws of war are supposed to apply.” Sillyputty
“Law” is a luxury afforded those with resources. A war/battlefield is absent the most important resource, time. Adrenaline, instinct and a desire to survive tend to guide split decisions in any conflict situation. It’s messy; and reactive, rarely proactive. Only later, as the resource of time is provided, does remorse or the thought of repercussions enter the mind.
What I think we both can agree on is that we/our government should never place us/our family members in these situations without TRUE necessity. When the price is paid by others, it’s too easy. I submit that only those members in the legislative/executive branch that have served in our military or have a direct family member (son/daughter/mother/father) in active service, should be able to send them into harms way. Wait, that still lets McCain have a say…and Bush too…I may need to rethink that idea.
Reprimand?
Reprimand? So we’ll just ‘reprimand’ those who kill “our people,” too?
Get the fuck out of here.
This story seems to have been deliberately planted here to make the CIA look all holy and virtuous. If anything, what this bloke boasted about doing would make him eminently suitable for the position that he was applying for.
Is this a bad joke ???
“Killing 1 Afghan” ??? They kill tens of thouisands and still do !!!
And Pakistanis and Iraquis and… and … and… the total sum is shurely in the millions !
What a sick system, what a sick society… Maybe the rest of the world should act accordingly: Kill every american on sight !
Maybe rhen rhey get the point ! And yes, not only military personal… also like they do kill kids, nurses, doctors… and when someone asks why just say: Its a secret order from a secret judge/government !
And this should go on until they change their sick behavior and bring down their corrupt government ! But because they even don’t get 1 percent of their people (that should be 3,5 million more or less) to do the right thing, its the people who should payhe price too !
And every “terrorist” who do so has my respect ! Because they are really freedom fighters who have at least the balls to strike against this mofu bastards !
Because your system is so sick and dirty, that no election can ever fix this mess !
from an excellent piece by the WSWS:
read the whole thing here:
Blackwater and the crimes of US imperialism (April 16, 2015)
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/04/16/pers-a16.html
You might not be aware that the US does have limits on free speech. For example, a woman named Ebony Monique Dickens is currently on trial for posting on Facebook that white cops should be killed. Her charge: “dissemination of information to facilitate terroristic threats.”
Inciting people to commit murder is hardly an example of free speech.
Let’s agree what she said is not protected speech, but does the charge match the violation?
” dissemination of information to faciliate terrorist. actions….
I could never figure out why Ms. Palin’s website with targets on Gabby Giffords and others —–why didn’t that qualify qualify for inciting violence? Wasn’t that a visual way of shouting fire in a crowded theatre?
Was Palin’s defense —-that who would have thought that would happen ——wouldn’t that also fit Monique too? Did any police person get shot that they could tie to her?
I guess it depends on your job title? Maybe , Monique, the facebook lady, worked at Mickey Ds, or was she black or Muslim?
It does seem as if things that used to be very clear—–aren’t clear at all any more.
I was reading the Bill of Rights today jsut to see what was clear——or not. Number X is very confusing:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”
O.K.——- as one of the people– I am not clear as to what I have.
Lol. It’s perfectly LEGITIMATE speech. And FREE speech means FREE anyway. If you are not FREE to say whatever you want then it’s not FREE speech.
Whatever one might think of it, it is speech, not actual violence. No country allows absolutely all speech, AFAIK. Different countries draw the free speech line differently. In Germany, for example, neo-Nazi speech is illegal and they can imprison you for it.
Free speech means the speech is so worthless that no one pays anything for it. Look at the Clintons. If they give any speech they charge close to a million bucks for it. You can’t get them to do anything for free.
Did she say white cops should be killed? or did she say go kill them? or did she say go kill the by doing such and such? If it is the first, then I would argue that that kind of is free speech. If it was one of the latter, that’s a grey area and an insult to the idea that people have no free will – if other people kill cops because she says to kill them, then they are responsible for it not her. Note also the reputational factor – she’s no Beyonce Knowles or terrorist leader or Charlie Manson (and even if she were, that wouldn’t make her responsible for other people doing things). Those charges are ridiculous. What information was she disseminating, exactly? Who was she endangering?
As a side note, plenty of black cops kill innocent people too. Perhaps ironically they are slughtly more likely to face charges, statistically, from what I have gathered. Not a race thing. Is a power thing.
Note killing cops is a terrible idea more likely to make things worse for everyone. Just in case, you know, it seemed like I supported cop killing. I support free speech. And she made no specific threats to specifuc cops via specific means, going by what the OP said.
She added some specifics, which is probably what pushed it over the line. She said something to the effect that it would be possible for her to kill 15 cops.
Sure, but if I can theoretically fly a plane then I can theoretically fly a plane into a building, and I can theoretically kill people. Or, on a smaller scale, if I can theoretically own a sniper rifle I can theoretically assassinate someone, or if I can go to a beauty supply store and a gardening store, I can theoretically blow stuff up. I can even theoretically blow 12 people up, or 57 people up, or thousands of people up. If I own a set of knives I can theoretically stab people as I walk down a street. Unless I take SPECIFIC actions (which I obviously wouldn’t) to do specific things, and SPECIFICALLY do them for that reason, then that stretches every inch of credulity. It isn’t even a set up plot, because it isn’t a plot – it is a simple statement of ‘A might lead to B, but it might also lead to thousands of other more likely scenarios’.
Just buying knives would seem sinister if I tweeted such nonsense – does that seem fair? Should I theoretically not be able to buy a gun if I were to theoretically tweet that if I had a gun I could theoretically kill someone?
People live vastly in (often horribly gruesome) fantasy worlds. Most would never act on even lesser versions of these sorts of things (and it has been shown it usually takes a lot of mulling to get to the point of acting on them which is one reason I have been so vocal about not encouraging ‘fake plots’ – people operate in mental environments where assistance seems like permission, for instance).
On a more day to day and less violent scale it’s like saying that asshole you knew as a teenager (or godforbid an adukt) who brags about banging every chick really does bang every chick. People want to SEEM tough, SEEM like “the man” (or be the man but seeming is easier, of course), seem like a “banger”, seem like “radicals”, seem “religious”, seem in general. Sometimes it is how we try things on, and usually we only try them on before eventually discarding them, having never lifted a finger. There is an entire literature on ‘passing’, and a lot written about what can best be termed “wearing personas” in a totally day to day fashion (how you act around your kids, on a date, at work, at a club, around close friends, around acquaintances, in prison, around your in-laws, etc, can all seem very different, because they are very different).
Of she said go kill cops and I will give you money, or ice cream sundaes, or tickets to a Mets game, or a signed autographed photo, or a weapon to go kill cops… THAT’d be incitement, via inducement.
@jose
Really I give a fuck about YOUR laws, as I do not live in your country (thank god !).
I also do not live in any arab country, so you even can not send any drones for me to kille me to make me shut up ;-)
All you do is talking, and all your politicians do is talking… talk is cheap and I see no change of behavior … you still kill people without justification, you stillbuild and deploy drones wherever you want, you still don’t respect other laws or cutures or anything what doesn’t suit your interests.
So yes, I welcome everyone who takes action against your sick system… as you don’t care, why should everyone else ???
And when you are done talking, maybe you act too and change your system into a fair, respectful and legal system… but until then, you should deal with the devils you made by yourself. So you have a lot to do … maybe you should get started ? Here are some suggestions:
Stop invading souvereign countries, stop killing civillians, stop snooping in other peoples data, accept the ICC (and face the music for your war crimes), close all your bases in souverign countries, get your politicians and military and agencies under control, and start acting like normal people (meaning get rid of your sick worldview of “we are the masters, and everyone else is 2nd class”) !!! Maybe then people will stop hating you for what you are right now !
There are worse cases than this – the one that really gets me is a kid Justin Carter who was just talking trash in a video game forum, not even pretending to be serious. Supposedly the Supreme Court is considering the case, but there are at least two bad signs: a) the test case they took was an especially egregious one of a husband threatening a wife, and b) so many prosecutors seem to be breaking new ground on this, they’re acting as if they know the fix is in.
Legally speaking, as far as I understand, the way to make a threat, or any vague aspersion, with the least risk of serious prison time is to carve it into a corpse with the same knife you used to kill it.
To get a job with the CIA you need to torture prisoners of war until they think they are about to die, but then you’re not supposed to actually kill them. Did he get the job?
My thoughts exactly, why on earth would the CIA report this?
Also, if his superiors had commanded him to go off on this ‘neutralising’ mission, would he still be considered guilty?
Yes, he would. “Following orders” is not a workable defense. One must refuse to carry out illegal orders. It gets dicey sometimes, however.
I strongly suspect they reported it for some other reason than what is stated. Parts of this ring oddly (the entire thing, not the article).
The following is only speculation.
The CIA and the military are engaged in a bureaucratic tussle about who should have the mandate to covertly kill people. The military wants to operate the drone program, with the CIA only providing the intelligence. The CIA, however, maintains that its culture of secrecy makes it better suited to carry out covert killing programs. By reporting what they found to the military, they put it in the embarrassing situation of having to investigate itself. The purpose presumably was to demonstrate the shortcomings of the transparency under which the military operates.
But I could be wrong.
It is possible that might be part of the answer, but I suspect, if so, then only part. My suspicion is whatever the bulk of it is is/was specific to certain people and places, but as they are only suspicions I am hesitant to try to piece a cogent narrative together – in part because neither of us will ever get the data necessary to do so meaningfully, and without that there’s no way to know the truth. Something about it seems personal to me, and this guy was a useful way to send a message is the best hypothesis I have.
One small addenda… psychologically speaking, the agency almost certainly wouldm’t hire someone that came out with this story – or, likely, lived it and reported on it the way that he did, especially as (the agency) is run today. He would never have been a candidate to begin with (despite what people might think the agency’s hiring practices are). I won’t go into generalities as to why (unless you consider it worth discussing) as it probably falls out of scope of this conversation.
Why wouldn’t the CIA report it? I mean, what’s the First Rule of Fight Club?