A federal appeals court panel ruled on Thursday that the NSA’s bulk collection of metadata of phone calls to and from Americans is not authorized by Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act, throwing out the government’s legal justification for the surveillance program exposed by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden nearly two years ago.
Judge Gerard E. Lynch, writing the opinion for the unanimous three-judge panel of the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, described as “unprecedented and unwarranted” the government’s argument that the all-encompassing collection of phone records was allowed because it was “relevant” to an authorized investigation.
The case was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, and ACLU attorney Alex Abdo told The Intercept, “This ruling should make clear, once and for all, that the NSA’s bulk collection of Americans’ phone records is unlawful. And it should cast into doubt the unknown number of other mass surveillance operations of the NSA that rely on a similarly flawed interpretation of the law.”
As Lynch wrote in the court’s opinion: “To obtain a § 215 order, the government must provide the FISC [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] with ‘a statement of facts showing that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the tangible things sought are relevant to an authorized investigation (other than a threat assessment).'”
Lynch continued:
The government emphasizes that “relevance” is an extremely generous standard, particularly in the context of the grand jury investigations to which the statute analogizes orders under § 215. Appellants argue that relevance is not an unlimited concept, and that the government’s own use (or non-use) of the records obtained demonstrates that most of the records sought are not relevant to any particular investigation.”
Indeed, he noted:
The records demanded are all-encompassing; the government does not even suggest that all of the records sought, or even necessarily any of them, are relevant to any specific defined inquiry.
And therefore, he concluded:
We agree with appellants that such an expansive concept of “relevance” is unprecedented and unwarranted.
The panel rejected the government’s argument that the ACLU lacked standing because it couldn’t prove that any one person’s records, sitting in a searchable database, had been reviewed by government officials. But whether it’s a machine or a person doing the searching doesn’t matter, Lynch wrote:
[T]he government admits that, when it queries its database, its computers search all of the material stored in the database in order to identify records that match the search term. In doing so, it necessarily searches appellants’ records electronically, even if such a search does not return appellants’ records for close review by a human agent. There is no question that an equivalent manual review of the records, in search of connections to a suspect person or telephone, would confer standing even on the government’s analysis. That the search is conducted by a machine might lessen the intrusion, but does not deprive appellants of standing to object to the collection and review of their data.
This could become an important precedent in a legal review of the NSA’s ability to automatically turn voice into text, which I disclosed on Tuesday, based on more documents from the Snowden archive.
The court’s rebuttal of the government’s argument that Congress wanted bulk collection kept secret from the public is quietly blistering:
The government has pointed to no affirmative evidence, whether “clear and convincing” or “fairly discernible,” that suggests that Congress intended to preclude judicial review. Indeed, the government’s argument from secrecy suggests that Congress did not contemplate a situation in which targets of § 215 orders would become aware of those orders on anything resembling the scale that they now have. That revelation, of course, came to pass only because of an unprecedented leak of classified information.
The court did not officially rule on whether the program is unconstitutional, because it ruled it illegal on a statutory basis. But, Lynch wrote: “The seriousness of the constitutional concerns, however, has some bearing on what we hold today, and on the consequences of that holding.”
The primary author of the Patriot Act, Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., has said that neither he nor anyone else imagined the law would be used for bulk domestic surveillance. “How can every call that every American makes or receives be relevant to a specific investigation?” Sensenbrenner asked, shortly after Snowden revealed the program.
And as Lynch wrote in the opinion: “Congress cannot reasonably be said to have ratified a program of which many members of Congress – and all members of the public – were not aware.”
In a concurring opinion, Judge Robert D. Sack wrote:
Considering the issue of advocacy in the context of deliberations involving alleged state secrets, and, more broadly, the “leak” by Edward Snowden that led to this litigation, calls to mind the disclosures by Daniel Ellsberg that gave rise to the legendary “Pentagon Papers” litigation
The decision sends the matter back to the District Court level for “further proceedings consistent with this opinion,” adding to the doubts about the future of the one program that Congress appeared poised to end through legislation that had White House support. The USA Freedom act calls for the bulk collection of Americans’ phone records by the NSA to be replaced with a more selective approach in which the agency would collect from communications companies only records that match certain terms.
Three Patriot Act provisions, including Section 215, are set to expire on June 1. The USA Freedom Act would amend that section. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has proposed a full reauthorization of the Act as is. But as American University Law Professor Steve Vladeck points out:
Sens. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and Martin Heinrich, D-N.M., immediately called on the White House to end the mass surveillance of Americans. “Now that this program is finally being examined in the sunlight, the Executive Branch’s claims about its legality and effectiveness are crumbling,” Wyden said.
The ruling should “give the president the confidence to finally end this overly broad program using his existing authority,” Heinrich said.
“The current reform proposals from Congress look anemic in light of the serious issues raised by the Second Circuit,” said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the ACLU.
The bulk collection program was arguably the most unprecedented NSA program of all the ones exposed by Snowden, by virtue of its overt focus on monitoring domestic communication.
The opinion describes the extraordinary revealing nature of metadata, and notes that the “structured format of telephone and other technology-related metadata, and the vast new technological capacity for large-scale and automated review and analysis” raises the stakes even higher. “The more metadata the government collects and analyzes, furthermore, the greater the capacity for such metadata to reveal ever more private and previously unascertainable information about individuals,” Lynch wrote, adding: “it is virtually impossible for an ordinary citizen to avoid creating metadata about himself on a regular basis simply by conducting his ordinary affairs.”
Lynch also indicated the court had no patience for government claims that it wouldn’t back up:
The government disputes appellants’ characterization of the program as collecting “virtually all telephony metadata” associated with calls made or received in the United States, but declines to elaborate on the scope of the program or specify how the program falls short of that description. It is unclear, however, in what way appellants’ characterization of the program can be faulted.
Some tweets about the ruling:
Photo: Charles Dharapak/AP
“ This ruling should make clear, once and for all, that the NSA’s bulk collection of Americans’ phone records is unlawful. And it should cast into doubt the unknown number of other mass surveillance operations of the NSA that rely on a similarly flawed interpretation of the law.” Quote from text above.
I am not a lawyer. But this ruling to me only speaks to the “unlawfulness” of the NSA bulk collection of America’s phone records, and deliberately fails to address the “constitutionality” of the practice. But precisely because it failed to address the “constitutionality” of the practice, a deliberately pathway for challenging the ruling was simultaneously created, ensuring a long drawn-out process that will litigate this till the cows come home.
Meanwhile, the barbaric remote mind control tortures continue, with the unwitting victims phones data mopped up AND EXAMINED on a daily basis. The purpose not having anything to do with national security, but done more to monitor WHO the victims may be EXPOSING the barbaric crimes to. In the case of mind control victims, collection of all electronic communication is simply damage control. The more we expose, the more the depraved exponentially revv up the torture. They have been bleeding the top of my scalp on a daily basis now, with the high-pressure vibrations of nanodevices. Other abuses make even that look like a picnic in the park.
For those who are visiting the site for the first time, the following URL can no longer be found on Google by merely searching for the word “nanodevices”, which automatically showed in pull-down list in 2013 and for some time in 2014. Then I saw Google Administration at the task bar of my gmail account while reading mail, and nothing has ever been the same. Google is doing its part to suppress the article, and now, you have to google the ENTIRE STRING to get the article.
http://freedomfchs.lefora.com/topic/7442322/nanodevices-in-sensory-overload-mind-control-torture
Just finished with the Sunday mornin’ news shows.
Nary a word on the court’s decision. Plenty of talk over ‘Deflate Gate’. Pfft.
That is disgusting and confirms the networks are America’s Pravda.
Great news: Clapper had “forgotten” about NSA surveillance programs when Congress asked
“Gee.”
I guess the conclusion we can draw from this is that NSA has so many secret, illegal programs running it’s hard to keep track of them all. Maybe someone should buy Clapper a computer. I hear they’re useful for that sort of thing.
Or maybe NSA should release all the data on all its programs, so we can all help. The Google is pretty good at finding stuff.
Good news overall. As far as the constitutional issues go, I like the idea of using Georgia v. Randolph (2006) as leverage against the third-party doctrine in the context of electronic searches. Randolph established that a nonconsenting party could override the consent of another party who shared equal authority over the premises. Metadata is not protected b/c there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, and that is b/c it has been handed over to a third party. Thus there is (asserted to be) implied consent, and as Orin Kerr has pointed out, the third-party doctrine is like a branch of consent doctrine. Well in that case, the principle from Randolph might be applied to metadata, no? At least, it could lend some force to this argument, which I imagine Kerr would probably not appreciate, being the staunch defender that he is of a pure third-party doctrine – one without any exceptions. If the government is pressed for time with metadata needs they can rely on exigency, leaving the rest of it protected by the Constitution. Randolph has been criticized for being a very narrowly tailored exception with uncertain wiggle room for the police (e.g., Fernandez v. California (2014) ), but in the context of corporations sitting on metadata, the application of a Randolph-like principle would be hopefully be more straightforward.
Did they really want to vacuum up every last phone call? If there is a needle in there, it’s in a haystack the size of West Virginia, with every banality of American life mixed in. Do they really want to sift it?
– – –
VOICE (female): Hello.
VOICE (male): It’s me.
WOMAN: (female, purring) Well, hello.
MAN: Darling, I want you to know I love you and want you to marry me.
WOMAN: Oh, yes, yes. Oh, Peter, yes.
MAN: Peter? I’m Harry! Isn’t this Melissa?
WOMAN: No, it’s Penelope.
MAN: Sorry, wrong number. (click)
– – –
VOICE (female, authoritative): This is Louella Parsons.
COLE PORTER: Miss Otis regrets she’s unable to lunch today, madam. (click)
– – –
CUSTOMER: I need five super-grande monster pizzas with everything.
CLERK: Address?
CUSTOMER: 1600 Pennsylvania, N.W., west gate.
CLERK: Oh. DEFCON 3 special coming up. (click)
– – –
VOICE: (male) Hello.
VOICE: (female, to music) Where is the love
You said you’d give to me soon as you were free
Will it ever be; where is the love?
You told me that you didn’t love him
And you were gonna say goodbye
But if you really didn’t mean it — why did you have to lie?
VOICEOVER: (male, lip-synching to music) I’ve got all my life to live
And all my love to give and I’ll survive, I will survive; hey, hey! (click)
– – –
VOICE (female, nasal): Is this Mr. O’Brennan? Mr. John O’Brennan?
VOICE (male, irked): This is Mr. John O. Brennan. Who is this?
VOICE (female): Mr. O’Brennan, this is Miss Tomlin at AT&T, again. We still have that $27.6 million unpaid bill for all the data and phone surveillance you and and your predecessor General David P. Trellis had us do for your (snort) “company.” Now when may we expect payment?
DCI BRENNAN: What are you doing on my private line?
CEO TOMLIN: Now, now, don’t get huffy. And frankly we could have done a better job sifting this data. Oh! And we also have the toll charges for all the classified data General P. Trellis downloaded (snort) to his mistress’s server. These were international calls, by the way, because the server routed them through (reads) No-vo-ros-sisk. That isn’t in New Jersey, you know (snort).
DCI BRENNAN: Do you know who you’re talking to?
MISS TOMLIN: Now, now, Mr. O’Brennan, you’re talking to someone with the power to detach all of your agency’s (snort) private lines. Starting with this one. Pay up. (click)(line disconnected)
– – –
VOICE (female, high-school voice): Hello?
VOICE (male, definitely so): The, uh, Chancellor is giving us 15 minutes to remove our drones from her airspace, and the Prime Minister wants the, uh, prisoners returned, and I’ve got Lindsey Graham on Line 2.
VOICE (female, irked): Your pizzas are already on their way, Mr. President.
(click)
“Snort!”
RE: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/05/nsa-speech-recognition-snowden-searchable-text/
At the risk of being censored.
I am glad Dan Froomkin is spousing the same themes (technicalities of surveillance) that Micah Lee is:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/staff/dan-froomkin/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/staff/micah-lee/
it is not good if one reporter “owns” a theme. For example,
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/staff/cora/
seems to own the political/scientific consciousness aspects of surveillance
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/?s=“+APA+”
and I have amusingly seen lots of comments removed (including mine) right before my eyes as I was reading them
I don’t quite get the point of censorship in general and I find it very telling and much more deplorable when it happens at IT, especially with journalists who seem to have some sort of “monopolistic” preferences on some issues. Let alone the fact the IT folks are being heavily “monitored” and minded anyway
RCL
*creak* *shudder* & *groan* ~ the sound of the wheels of justice beginning to turn
I’m not going to get too excited, yet, Dan. ‘Team Mitch’ (ky campaign slogan) is still stuck in the rut leading to the haystack and AG Loretta is blowing in the wind.
Still, ‘the arc of the universe is long … but it bends towards justice.’ *idk who said that, but it wasn’t ‘team mitch’
And then there is this, a court saying that as long as the company you buy your, phone from, your internet connected refrigerator, your smart thermostat, is willing to provide the government with data that pertains to you, then warrants are just too much trouble, even in this case of someone who’s done seven armed robberies.
“Court rules warrant not needed for cell phone location data
Mobile phone users have “no reasonable expectation of privacy” for their location tracking data, and should expect police agencies investigating crimes to obtain that information without court-approved warrants, a U.S. appeals court has ruled.
Historical cell tower location data is not private information owned by customers but by the mobile carrier, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled Tuesday. The court affirmed a district court’s convictions of defendant Quartavius Davis, charged with multiple crimes in connection with a string of seven armed robberies in South Florida in 2010. Davis was sentenced to nearly 162 years in prison.”
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2919117/court-rules-warrant-not-needed-for-cell-phone-location-data.html
One of the judges has a brainwave: “The use of cell phones is ubiquitous now and some citizens may want to stop telephone companies from compiling cell tower location data or from producing it to the government,”
You think??? Too bad there aren’t courts in America to protect their privacy from unreasonable searches!!!
Emptywheel, Steven Aftergood and others are now discussing on twitter that Senator Burr’s words on the Senate floor regarding IP addresses have been — without explanation — deleted from the congressional record.
Congressional Record
Richard Burr’s IP dragnet diappears into the memory hole
Stasi on steroids
Are we getting somewhere or will this ruling just be ignored by the fascist imperial state? Only time will tell.
I suppose there’s also this denunciation to ponder.
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/07/the_new_york_times_does_its_governments_bidding_heres_what_youre_not_being_told_about_u_s_troops_in_ukraine/
When do we get a Gulf of Finland Resolution out of this?
greetings –
First, totally agree with the thanks to Snowden. Maybe this is a baby step, but a baby step nonetheless and he gets thanks for bringing this all to light and for the sacrifices he made in doing so.
Now – if anyone cares to comment: I see Cameron is to be reelected UK Prime Minister. I just shake my head and wonder what people are thinking – or not thinking. I feel like calling Cameron a host of uncomplimentary names – and just look at the other leaders of the “Five Eyes” – Harper, Abbott, Key – and yes, Obama. I wouldn’t at this point call any of them anything resembling decent.
Are we such sheep that such reprehensible toads get elected? Is our system so bad that those are the only type of candidates we get? BTW, I would also include our Congress and other legislative bodies in my disdain. Our systems are sooo bad; I’m wondering at this point if a fix is possible. I’m praying for help, believe me. This ruling does give a pinprick of hope and we need every such pinprick we can get.
“Divided = Conquered But United = Empowered!”
Musical Interlude:
One of twenty two videos of Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker (Cream) reunite 2005 at Royal Albert Hall:
Crossroads
US Government’s Legal Theory for Dragnet Surveillance Invalidated
This news is very funny. “Police union sues Port Authority for warrantless search of cops’ phones”
Now, now we are getting somewhere.
Advocating for any group to be blanket surveilled involves more than just the people you tink are being surveilled. It also creates a dangerous precedent. Better a return to 70s policing, with the abuses that entailed, than a future of surveillance.
We need to emphasise values and consequences and knock down the ‘blue line’ (nsa: I mean the policy of police silence about.corruption, not public transportation ;)). Picking anybody out to surveil doesn’t fix the problem – it inculcates the idea that mass surveillance is okay. Just because people act like assholes doesn’t make it okay to track amd monitor them. And cops cams monitor you. More use by individuals of things such as the ACLU apps to stream police interactions, yes, because that is consent of the accused to monitor their own interactions (granted encrypting so even they cannot see it without your keys is better)… But why would anyone want the police (or anybody) having access to data about every interaction, every license plate, and every everything is good? Why would you want that sort of retention? It isn’t to protect you. And monitoring them is no better than monitoring you.
Work more on creating a culture worthy of trust and cut back on policing. Maybe change up partnerships regularly between cops. There is a reason IA is universally hated among cops.
So once people are caught doing something illegal, the logical and legal step would be to arrest them and charge them with criminal behavior. I wonder if someone will get locked up now. It would have happened if the offender was a poor, homeless black male, but then fortunately not all the attributes necessary for an arrest are present in this case.
Mediaite video of Glenn Greenwald Speaking about this court ruling.
Speaks about how this “should” result in the firing of Clapper. Speaks about Snowden being extremely pleased about the ruling. A very upbeat conversation.
Thanks. Also appreciated the emptywheel observation, and the sarcastic way both you and she framed it (which has been bizarrely misconstrued here).
I still say repeal the Patriot Act. Everyone read this (non-sarcastic) piece by Dan Froomkin:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/27/whistleblowers-back-surveillance-state-repeal-act/
Cindy, I can tell you are passionate and you’ve told us yourself that you are young. Be careful that you don’t allow yourself to become a tool (which you have several times) of someone who has hidden motives.
Dan Froomkin has hidden motives?
I don’t think so.
Thanks for the link, Kitt.
Welcome, and yes, that was all quite simple and interesting … for anyone who actually read what Marcy wrote.
Yes, repeal, not bogus incremental appeasements that won’t even be as much as they pretend to be, is what needs to happen. Emptywheel, by the way, has been saying that all along, and explaining in detail what each bogus alteration really would or would not accomplish.
What about this Rubio statement?
Is he that out of touch with the arguments? It’s possible they are not going through everything they’ve collected (we just don’t know), but the point is that they have collected it and it’s sitting in a database somewhere.
One would have to be an imbecile to believe that the argument that Rubio is presenting; people are sitting around and listening to billions of phone calls, is the argument being made. “As a matter of course,” billions of phone calls, emails, texts, and “Collect it All” are indeed being collected and stored. Do the math on being listened to and read, “as a matter of course.” Rubio is just a shitty politician going with the “dumbing down” play and hoping that someone will buy it.
Rubio’s agenda is to be the next White House occupant. He wants support of 1) the illegal intelligence community, and 2) the illegal immigrants community. Smart guy!
Speaking of Federal legislation, a sidebar. Chelsea Manning has drafted a model bill that would extend journalists’ legal protections, and reform the Espionage Act.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/07/chelsea-manning-bill-journalism-espionage-act
Draft bill (hyperlinked in article) looks good on first read. Only quibble is that I would like to see addenda to the Fed. Rules of Evidence on relevance (Rule 401 et seq) and esp. privilege (Rule 501 et seq) in line with the draft bill. A new rule 503 on journalists’ and sources’ privilege would go a long way to shield them.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre
Does this mean that James Comey of the FBI and local law enforcement must now forsake their idol worship of StingRay?
Emptywheel exposes a new leaker! The leak is tangentially related to this court ruling.
This is what the leaker said:
Leaker? Sounds like Emptywheel is doing the agency a favor. We also ought to find incredulous the claim that the NSA does not know whose IP and telephone numbers they have.
I don’t know if you read what was at the link and didn’t understand what you read, or if you’re just popping off without bothering to even read what you’re popping off about.
Right.
Right what? Is that just a grunt or a harrumph or something? Because, it doesn’t say anything.
The leak is anonymous and self-serving, the sort of ‘off the record’ comment that TI routinely excoriates the NYTimes’ and others for publishing. Since most statements released by the NSA are routinely found to be prevarications at a later date when irrefutable documents appear, it seems naive and of poor service to the public to lead them to believe that this statement has any truth behind it. Happy now?
Yeah, I’m happy that you made it perfectly clear that you either did not open the link, or that you opened it and have no idea what you were reading. Still assuming that you can’t be that reading comprehension limited, I’m going with didn’t open the link.
I read what you provided.
Kitt, much respect but I have to agree that this is a self-serving “leak”. Look more into the language.
(that said I did not read the source article myself, only your intro to the quote, amd am responding to how that read. emptywheel is sometimes good reading but is just as often worryingly credulous (I don’t think maliciously, and I think it is safe to say that with all the info circulating around now it becomes more difficult for people to differentiate between conspiracy theories and actual conspiracies – both of which exist).
It amazes me that people would bother to comment on something without even bothering to read what they are commenting about. The “leak” is not a “leak” and it is not a quote from emptywheel and it is not, as Stan or one of those assumed (also without bothering to open the link), an “anonymous.” leak. It was a United States Senator, the Senate Intelligence Chair Richard Burr, standing in the speaker’s well at the microphone, televised on CSpan, speaking to the senate. As I later posted via Emptywheel, the entire speech is in the congressional record. They deleted his words about IP addresses but they did not [honestly] explain why.
All that you and the others had to do in order to not make fools of themselves would have been to open the link and read what is there. Could have saved yourselves a lot of tomfoolery.
Kitt, all due respect but I was pointing out your “another leaker” comment was misleading because it wasn’t another leaker at all. I agree I could and should have done this better. Was in a hurry but no excuse.
I provided sarcasm. And I provided a link to Marcy Wheeler’s (emptywheel’s) sarcasm, which it is completely apparent now you didn’t open. So all of your comments to me have been as ignorant of the content at the link as they have appeared to be.
Kitt, you provided more than sarcasm – you sound very angry. You sound like you think you won something. You didn’t.
What the fuck am I supposed to have won? What I think is that “NameWithheld” “thinks” that the quote is from Emptywheel. It isn’t. It’s from a ranting, delusional US Senator named Richard Burr, and what emptywheel, and then I, quoted is something that he not only did not say anonymously, he said on the floor of the Senate.
I’d accuse you or poor comprehension but I know it’s part of your schtick. Nothing you wrote sounded like sarcasm, and you touted the quote from Emptywheel as a statement from a new leaker! Emphasis yours. Your assumption is correct that I didn’t go to link because I concluded incorrectly that your pull quote was the significant part of the story. You have an agenda here, one that’s different from the one you pretend to hold. I will continue to counter your comments if I see confusion and doublespeak but I won’t be engaging in your pointless engagements.
The pull quote IS the story. And my introduction to Marcy’s article was — in line with her commentary — exactly as I said, sarcasm. You simply fucked up and are incapable of fully admitting it even after posting several comments without reading what you were commenting about.
Thank you Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and all the other who broke this story. America owes you big time.
“Bulk data is storing telephone numbers and IP addresses — we have no idea who they belong to…”
Is stupidity a progressive disease within Stasi ranks?
Kitt’s on the job! I’m
Surprised though at Emptywheel.
What are you “surprised” about? I honestly still wonder if you bothered to open the link. Maybe you don’t know how to open links?
Not surprised about emptywheel disinformation.
“Stone’s bedrock principle: reporters should start from the presumption that powerful institutions are lying, rather than the presumption that they’re telling the truth.
The quote you provided above shows no skepticism.
I’ve concluded that you’re a fucking idiot due to the fact that you’ve presented and argument for several comments without bothering to read what you are arguing about.
Before we strike up the band, let’s wait ’til the dust settles and see where we stand((ing)as in legal)). In the end there;s always the possibility the NSA will simply ignore, obfuscate, circle their wagons, and go merrily on their way. After all, they are in the business of secrets.
According to your statement here, one would draw the conclusion that the NSA is trying to protect itself. Who is it trying to protect itself from? The American people? The NSA is a government agency. Regardless of the urban legends, clandestine kill tacticians and the creepy way they do things underneath and on the hinterlands of the law, they still have to obey the law. It speaks to the atmosphere of tolerance to what is illegal (corruption) in D.C. by and from the Pentagon and the Secrecy (Dark) State. The NSA may be trying to evade prosecution for its crimes; which would put obfuscation and cover up ahead of any core competency.
Now what’s great about declaring that NSA standard practice is illegal is that there is no longer a contest or a complicit notion of authority. The Dark State believes they can color a regulation or a policy practice legal when it is illegal. That is what ended yesterday. The American people knew and have known their natural and Constitutional rights have been compromised by this government, rightfully calling it illegal. There was a National Security authority very busy in their lawfare department trying to make what is illegal legal by calling it magically so. That is no longer the case and we can stop insulting the basic civic intellect of the American citizen as it concerns mass surveillance.
Reuters:
“‘We are reviewing that decision,’ [US Attorney General Loretta] Lynch said at a Senate budget hearing. She said the collection was a ‘vital tool in our national security’ and that she was not aware of any privacy violations under the revised program.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/07/loretta-lynch-nsa-ruling_n_7233358.html?cps=gravity_2425_7747030535411584131
Reuters is a CIA partner.
Hey, who isn’t, nowadays? Nevertheless, aside from the establishment being (as you may be implying) one big satanic octopus, I think Reuters can be safely quoted in this context as correctly identifying Loretta Lynch as still supporting the NSA bulk collection in spite of this ruling.
You are correct.
Then why did you bother with your “profound” lame declaration about Reuters/CIA?
I felt the public ought to know.
Go distract the readers’ with attacks on other commenters. I am not going to engage with you because you probably get paid by the word to do it.
Given her behaviour vis a vis 2010-2014, it was never a secret that she was on her way “up” and very strongly pro-surveillance and bamg the gavel down hard. She also doesn’t know when it is proper to recuse a judge for personal involvement or future perks. She really wanted that job. Look at the handling of the LulzSec cases she was involved in as one example.
Let’s next address Surveillance do on the Local Corrupt Police.
FBI Stingray surveillance.
FBI Cointelpro 2015
Hello Stalked. Please visit more often so that those aware and being targeted in the 2015 Cointelpro campaigns might push the issue to a ‘tipping point’ where finally some decent investigative reporter somewhere, along with a whistleblower with a conscience, can enlighten the world.
No directed energy weapon references — thanks for that.
I believe they are an elaborate hoax, for the obvious purpose of warding off those who would otherwise investigate reports of torture against US Persons. If there was something to these stories they would have started coming from people the U.S. have officially designated sub-human, i.e., Southwest Asians. (For other doubters like me, just ask a self-proclaimed mind control / dew target: “why are you being tortured?” These people have not figured out how to respond to that question yet. Your average rank and file Stasi rodent is not very intelligent.)
You refer to Stingray surveillance, a hot topic in San Jose, CA.
You also refer to COINTELPRO, a program outed in 1971, which has since mutated, evolved, and employs far greater numbers of “citizens”, and immigrants (probably threatened with deportation if they are not cooperative) than before.
Your terse comment is credible, stalked.
People who call themselves journalists:
Your field’s reputation is shit; you have no credibility. If one of you happens to have a shred of integrity left, start talking to people in the U.S. who claim they have been tortured, but ignore those who want to talk about mind control, implants, and directed energy weapons. Look for the overlap in the tactics we describe. Ask them why they think they are being tortured. Use your fucking brain.
Do your fucking job, cowards. If you think you job is to normalize and promote mass murder and torture — a patriot’s duty — I am not talking to you; you are the enemy.
If I am wrong about the hoax, so be it. I can admit mistakes. Anyway, if the dew reports are not Stasi lies, successful baby steps will benefit these torture subjects too. What do you have to lose, journalists? You got nothin’ today.
FBI Internet troll.
Cointelpro is very real today.
Don’t believe FBI Sock Puppet disinformation
and propaganda
Cointelpro as in shock, radiation, poisoning and — yes — mind control and implants. But stay asleep sheepe and be confused by people who speak out of both sides of their mouths.
Other words for ‘implants’ — bio mems, micro electromechanical devices, nano devices.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-MEMS
It’s projected to be a $4 billion industry in next decade. (Currently it’s 2.1 billion per MemsJournal.
http://www.memsjournal.com/biomems/
Richard Cain has had bio mems removed from him implanted in him as well as his two minor children without his knowledge. I spoke directly to experts in this case so I know this is not a hoax complaint.
http://topinfopost.com/2015/02/02/chip-removed-from-an-individual-body
Bob Boyce also had secretly implanted chips removed from him.
http://www.bobboyce.org/cancer.htm
The military is a major investor in bio mems and chips. What is farfetched about the idea that a government that has drugged unwitting people, fed radioactive isotopes to handicapped children, performed the Tuskeegee experiment — and this is just for starters — not be performing experiments on citizens now? As Jeff Kaye and others have reported, Guantanamo was designated a ‘laboratory’ of torture methods, and the APA consulted with the government on learned helplessness, a depressed state created by the repeated and inescapable shocking of dogs (and now people).
Now ask yourself why any Intercept reader who professes to be concerned about civil liberties repeatedly attack and label those reporting these abuses occurring to them
as ‘disturbed.’ What would be the motivation to vehemently attack these people if in fact you profess to care about governmental abuses and civil liberties? Everyone of you here who genuinely care about these issues ought to think deeply on these questions.
No.
COINTELPRO: as in carefully planned — with Stasi agents — death-threats from collaborating family members, staged gang-stalking skits on airplanes, in doctor’s offices, in medical labs, fraudulent insurance charges, interference in ordering food, fake assaults, and interference in employment search (plus stalking on the job site). And more…
Also, if target is outside the US, physical torture is on the menu.
No directed energy weapons, mind control, or implants. (Seeing is believing, and I would go a long way — to you — to see for myself. But suddenly, you people get cold feet.)
Other words for ‘implants’ — bio mems, micro electromechanical devices, nano devices.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-MEMS
It’s projected to be a $4 billion industry in next decade. (Currently it’s 2.1 billion per MemsJournal.
http://www.memsjournal.com/biomems/
Richard Cain has had bio mems removed from him implanted in him as well as his two minor children without his knowledge. I spoke directly to experts in this case so I know this is not a hoax complaint.
http://topinfopost.com/2015/02/02/chip-removed-from-an-individual-body
Bob Boyce also had secretly implanted chips removed from him.
http://www.bobboyce.org/cancer.htm
The military is a major investor in bio mems and chips. What is farfetched about the idea that a government that has drugged unwitting people, fed radioactive isotopes to handicapped children, performed the Tuskeegee experiment — and this is just for starters — not be performing experiments on citizens now? As Jeff Kaye and others have reported, Guantanamo was designated a ‘laboratory’ of torture methods, and the APA consulted with the government on learned helplessness, a depressed state created by the repeated and inescapable shocking of dogs (and now people).
Now ask yourself why any Intercept reader who professes to be concerned about civil liberties repeatedly attack and label those reporting these abuses occurring to them
as ‘disturbed.’ What would be the motivation to vehemently attack these people if in fact you profess to care about governmental abuses and civil liberties? Everyone of you here who genuinely care about these issues ought to think deeply on these questions.
WTF? In short, my reply to you was:
Stingray: Exists, and being reported on. (See MSM reports about their purchase and use by San Jose, CA police Dept.)
COINTELPRO: Exists, and much more dangerous and widespread than before.
Directed Energy Weapons and Mind Control: A Hoax.
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Are Stasi sock puppets even dumber than I think?
Awaiting your clarification, “stalked562″.
DEWs are not a hoax — they are so not a hoax I listed link for market projections on TI the other day.
Implants also are real as I’ve talked to experts involved in Richard Cain’s documentation of the microelectromechanical devices recovered from his body.
I begin to believe we may stop these charlatans yet.
The utter gall of these creatures to believe that they could usurp our Constitution and ignore our Bill of Rights, and that “We the People” who pay their salaries, to represent us, would roll over take it, is astonishing.
The ACLU hopefully will keep the pressure on, and work to end all of their attempts to subjugate us.
Greenwald is so miserable he can’t claim that the executive branch controls the entire government. Sad day in intercept land.
Numerous businesses and military organizations with varied agendas control government entities, not the executive branch, which is quite comfortable with the arrangement.
I suspect this is Idiot speak for: Look, there’s still some judicial independence in the US.
As a software developer I’m somewhere in the “he doesn’t suck” category, and in this field, gradations of skill are sometimes viewed as being exponentially increasing, similar to the way the power of earthquakes are measured.
I think an exponential scale would also be required for any scoring model comparing the gap between Americans’ perceptions and reality.
When will the ACLU take on the issue of torture — perpetrated against any anyone, including US Persons.
This ruling means zilch to those who have much more to be concerned about than the collection and use of their phone metadata. It just gives complicit, deluded Americans a long-awaited chance to thump their chests. Finally, it’s feel good time!
Meanwhile, the torture continues.
I tried calling Eileen Welsome the investigative reporter on radioactive testing of Americans but for some reason call repeatedly could not go through. Anonymous the commenter surely teased that something’s coming down the pike. I hope so because I don’t know how much more burning my head can take for hours during the middle of the night. There must be something on these covert ‘learned helplessness’ extrajudicial campaigns in the Snowden documents. To those of you out there who know what is going on and have proof please send to Jeffrey Kaye at Fire Dog Lake. He is an expert in CIA torture.
Anonymous may have been referring to more violent retaliation for US aggression. It will happen, and U.S. war criminals know it; they count, erhm, bank on it.
You wanted to contact me, then ignored my tweet yesterday. Sometimes I wonder if all of the self-proclaimed torture targets here are fakes. But I will continue refusing to believe I am “special”. That would be delusional. I also realize that targets can be served custom web pages — “just for you”.
Finally, Mr. Kaye has no time for more torture stories. He’s paid his dues, and he’s fully booked with couples’ counseling. I don’t blame him; he does seem to be a rare, decent American man.
Did not receive your tweet. Will look again. You must know that I do not have full control; pms are routinely read before I even get them.
As far as Mr. Kaye, he restores my hope that there are decent people in the world.
I do know you do not have full control, whatever side you are on.
I set up a twit acct and saw a lot of creepy shit, then deactivated it.
Another day, another time.
I sent you a tweet 9m ago, and it has not shown up on your page.
I’ve sent you two, @hj. The first was sent 25m ago. It’s being blocked. Hmm…
Phone calls on home line and mobile, computer and Twitter. They really don’t want any reporters to be able to reach me. Or for me to reach Richard Cain and other targets.
I just saw my two tweets to you on your page ~ 30m ago. Now they are gone.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/21/394484603/judge-rules-for-the-release-of-photos-showing-prisoner-abuse
I hope many who experienced torture in Iraq and Afghanistan get “some sense” of justice, but you and I know that will never happen.
Either way, it does nothing for those tortured elsewhere — including myself — beyond seeing Americans’ awful stink rubbed in their faces again, along with the fascinating experience of watching some of their perceptions forcefully aligned a bit better with reality.
Really – from March, eh? Guess I missed that. Bring the torturers to account.
From March. Significant in that the judge gave the Feds two months to produce, or appeal. Time’s up on May 22.
Reveal or Appeal. Gee, I wonder what option they will select.
Meanwhile, the torture never stops.
About f__king time!
This is a vindication for Edward Snowden and others, but I hate to be the person to rain on peoples’ parade. The NSA and other alphabet agencies to my recollection have never really taken adherence to the “rule of law” or the any court’s authority very seriously. They’ll just secretly “re-interpret” the law, and continue to do as they please is my guess. Or they’ll tweak and rename the programs, in secret, and force whomever to start all over again with the litigation process attempting to prove the new and improved secret programs are in violation of law and continue on their merry way. And that will be difficult absent another voluminous leak.
Seems to me if Congress was really interested in stopping these programs, the only way is to pass broadly worded laws the expressly prohibit any warrantless collection or storage (mass or otherwise) of any and all types or indicia of communications if it involves an American, regardless of the technological means employed, under penalty of defunding the offending agency for a demonstrable violation. Which does nothing for the rest of the world’s people who don’t like being spied on.
Short of that, or a US court injunction that could be enforced (and I’m not sure how the court meaningfully could given the separation of powers issues and the practical means the executive could bar entry to its facilities in myriad legitimate ways), I’m not exactly sure how short of specific statutory prohibitions and defunding of specific programs you stop agencies that have historically always acted as if they were above and beyond the rule of law. And ones that gain the practical protection of the legal authority to operate in secret which makes it very hard to legally scrutinize anything they do.
Just sayin. I can’t envision the NSA and their fellow travelers just rolling over and stopping what they’re doing just because one appellate court said it was inappropriate.
That’s true enough, but maybe it’ll put a stop to the pretense, floated by Bush’s Dept of Justice lawyers like John Yoo, that this was somehow justified by the law if you squinted hard enough. It also tells Congress that passing the Patriot Act, and then ignoring the misconstrued result, won’t cut it. They’re going to have to go to some effort to paper this one over.
It’ll go on, of course, but now it’s going to be more sneaky.
Great quote.
I’d like to say this last thing on surveillance. I’m never surprised that the NSA and other alphabet agencies seek the power of mass surveillance–because information (knowledge) is truly the greatest “power.” It’s also equally true that for that very reason, that no one group should ever be afforded that type of singular ability or power over others–at least not to collect and use in secret absent transparent legal oversight and individualized probable cause, because it will be abused-always.
While you might be A person raining on some peoples’ parade, you’re certainly not The person raining on peoples’ parade. Many who comment here and many who I read from regularly are quite aware of the gamesmanship or outright ignoring that has gone on and will go on within the Surveillance State. But as coram nobis wrote, it will, at least somewhat, put a stop to the pretense. Examples are aplenty on this comment forum and so many other comment forums of people who constantly “debate” by claiming the legality of anything and everything that the NSA is doing and has done. And there is always the infamous ‘response’ provided by NSA spokesperson Vanee Vines coming off as more and more demented and delusional. One horrid example here of such a person would be the voluminously repetitive CraigSummers. He does the same thing with most everything about cops murdering people. It helps to have some court backing, even though we know that real concrete results or changes might be moved forward they are certainly not guaranteed to come about due to those court rulings. It’s one scrap helping us to expose the truth — or untruth — which should or could help Truth to build a larger following.
Comey agrees with you rr;
What about the other 95% of the world ?
If you call this a victory you are nothing more than a selfish egoist !
Is there a FCLU for the foreigners ? As the snooping on the rest of the world shurely goes on…
You should know DEMOCRACY is also a 2-sided coin…
If you are ok with this as a citizen, then the public should not be surprised when they get targeted by foreign freedom fighters ;-)
And your country is still the only one who dares to make laws related other people/countries ! In civilized countries we only make laws for people within our borders, you know ? So no, this is not a victory for humanity, only for a minority who thinks they are somewhat better or so… the last who tried such a thinking was the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended, don’t we ? No wonder the rest of the world hates you so much ! You shurely earned it ;-)
Now deal with it ! Or as you like to say: Face the music ;-D
Not so fast. The same day the MSM reports the gov’t can no longer get this data, the courts ALSO say that the gov’t CAN get this data WITHOUT a warrant from the telecoms: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/one-of-the-biggest-privacy-wins-in-recent-memory-has-been-reversed .
So we’re back to square one?
Hi charrob –
Whoa – REALLY? This is extremely troubling as so much data is now in the hands of “third parties.” Our privacy is definitely being toasted.
Sorry but this is simply too good to be practically true, specially after Texas shooting, and with no whistleblower in sight, only time can tell.
Not just a vindication for Edward Snowden but also for the ACLU, plaintiffs in this lawsuit. Next up: the FOIA lawsuit ACLU and CCR had to force release of torture photos; US district court Judge Hellerstein gave the administration till May 22 to release them or appeal.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/21/394484603/judge-rules-for-the-release-of-photos-showing-prisoner-abuse
Applause for the ACLU on both counts.
ACLU petition requesting the U.S. Attorney General to appoint a special prosecutor for torture architects.
“Accountability for torture today is critical for stopping it tomorrow”
https://action.aclu.org/secure/cia-torture?ms=web_141209_nationalsecurity_ciatortur…
The drug warriors will not be happy today.
Very big deal indeed, and vindication for Snowden, Glen Greenwald and Laura Poitras.
Do read the background discussion in the ruling itself, pp. 5-10 on the pervasive and inescapable nature of phone and credit card metadata for the average citizen. The judges seem to have “got it.” Their conclusions, about § 215 of the Patriot Act, seem to throw the responsibility for fixing this right back at Congress.
Apparently Congress is prepared for that eventuality and realizes that new and innovative justifications are required.
See: “Meet The Patriot Act 2.0″
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Meet_The_Patriot_Act_2.0/43834/0/38/38/Y/M.html
I concur with the applause for Snowden, Glen Greenwald and Laura Poitras. They deserve it.
Nasty court! Doesn’t everyone look forward to that visit for the nice man from the government every week who looks at all your stuff to decide if they need to get a warrant to take it way? Oh, I forgot; this is just information about your communications they always look at. How could that matter?
But this might mean that the NSA will have a more difficult time identifying for the FBI those unhappy teenagers who are weak enough to accept fake explosives so they can become a terrorist plot, Then the FBI might have time to deal with those who are too tough and smart to do that, such as the guys that wanted to shoot up Pamela Geller’s art contest. That would make life harder, you know, actually having to deal with real terrorists.
Indisputable proof of the validity of Snowden’s concerns, if not his actions. Though, no doubt, the elements involved in such surveillance have other avenues (legal and otherwise) to continue as they are doing now, with an eventual intensification and deepening of surveillance efforts. Surely the elements involved view this as a “genie has left the bottle”-type phenomenon, from which there is technologically and programmatically no turning back.
I try to imagine a parallel situation back in the day when the framers were writing the Constitution. Imagine the fantastical situation where the British were able to place an agent next to every colonist who would write down a copy of every written communication by the colonist then send it to a central warehouse for storage. These agents would have their tongues cut out so they could not tell anyone what they had written down. Alongside these agents were a second set of agents who did not speak or understand English but were super good at writing down phonetically what they heard. These written records of verbal communications would be stored in the same way. In this way, written and spoken cmmunications could be stored ‘for future reference’. Of course this would not have been remotely possible, but if it was, does anyone think for a minute the framers, or the colonists, who would be able to see clearly what was going on, would have been okay with it? WAKE UP, PEOPLE.
Great piece Mr Froomkin! It’s a move in the right direction for this country. I doubt the sincerity of the legislature’s comments. They know damn well that the data vacuums of the 4 remaining eyes will fulfill their needs. Our laws don’t apply to them.
Congress would have to write law that prohibits any person(s) from using anything on anyone without a court order stemming from evidence brought before a judge in a open court proving a clear need for that order.
Without legislation to that affect we are still being screwed!
By implication, as it seems to me, this court now certifies the Snowden documents to be items residing in the public domain. Does this mean that, at long last, members of the US military and intelligence services, et cetera, will be authorized to read any & all of them — and without prejudice? Will the US powers-that-be formally revoke their injunction that reading any of these ‘classified’ items will lead to punitive measures within the services? Also, come to that — if such still stands as it did re: The Guardian in summer 2013 — will websites featuring new Snowden-docs no longer be blocked for serving US military personnel overseas?
I am looking forward to the apologies from all those who defended this illegal shit.
The elected, the appointed, the hired, and the volunteers who shook their fists insisting it was justified and necessary makes it quite a long list.
I am certain that they will be forthcoming and sincere… because they are all honorable people who treasure our great country and legal system.
The deletion of all that data, and the termination of the construction of the now unnecessary data storage facilities should be announced soon as well… in fact, maybe there should be a holiday for the announcement with an Apology Parade made up of all the defenders marching down Constitution Avenue… perhaps pausing every block to get down on their knees to beg for forgiveness from the crowds.
Note to the PR firms and their web shills- turn in those invoices soon or you may never get paid.
altohone –
I’m with you on all that. But I’m not holding my breath. Praying, yes, but not holding my breath.
Sadly I don’t think this means anything. The court declined to stop the collection now but instead kicks it back to Congress which will only formalize it with new legislation.
Wonderful news, just absofuckinglutely brilliant. One wonders, from a specifically USA viewpoint, where does this now leave the other four members of the ‘Five Eyes’, plus France and Germany and Israel? As NSA aiders & abettors who, moreover, have even likely benefitted from property stolen @ the USA? I.e., they’ve all enjoyed fruits from the poisoned tree? Huge hugs to Snowden, Greenwald, the ACLU, and the 3 judges for helping to restore sanity — to America, at least, if not yet to Canada, the UK, NZ, Australia, France, Germany, and izzis4rael (etc.). P.S. Thanks to Froomkin, too.
Congratulations to Edward Snowden who was brave enough to reveal this criminal mass surveillance activity.
Hats off to Edward Snowden.
EO 123334 needs similar scrutiny as much of the mass surveillance is justified using similar Alice in wonderland reasoning. The difficulty is that when the govt plays reality wars in newspeak and doublethink the likelihood they wont just migrate to a similarly unconstitutional interpretation of secret laws we haven’t guessed they are using is imminent. The FISA court needs to be gutted as does the justice dept and there complicity in torture, assassinations and secret legal justifications.
Besides, why track our phones when they are tracking us visually with EO/IR sensors using WIDE AREA PERSISTENT SURVEILLANCE??
When WAPS is in use over Baltiomre and Compton as well as numerous other cities you know that soon ARGUS will stare down everywhere
Interesting ruling at this time.
“Three Patriot Act provisions, including Section 215, are set to expire on June 1. ”
Let them expire. This court decision does not change my position in that regard as it might help justify the USA Freedom Act.
We don’t need any more “Acts” to justify mass surveillance. The Patriot Act has done enough harm.
Another ACLU petition regarding that expiration: “Congress: Let Section 215 Die”
https://action.aclu.org/secure/Section215?ms=web_150428_nationalsecurity_section215…
Meanwhile on CNN: “How a bra can reveal your health secrets.”
Thank you so much Edward Snowden for creating the legal standing so necessary to have this matter litigated. And thanks as well to brave journalists like Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras — and the Guardian which, after wobbling a bit, published the bulk collection story and documents.
Give Snowden a Petraeus deal NOW!
I’m confused. Is this ruling affirming that US citizens still possess some remaining rights? My understanding is it’s been affirmatively established that citizens have no legal standing to challenge infringements of their rights, and therefore that such rights have effectively ceased to exist.
Or does it simply mean that the administration must issue a new executive order to cover the holes that the legislative branch unfortunately failed to fill – i.e. to fix the paperwork.
I can sympathize with the latter, as I think that when the government takes away your freedom, it should at least put in the proper effort to make everything nice and legal.
So if EO 12333 isn’t good enough, simply rewrite it.
“So if EO 12333 isn’t good enough, simply rewrite it.”
Exactly Mr. Mussolini.
The courts understand they are not competent to evaluate matters of national security. So the Executive has a free hand to conduct whatever level of surveillance it wishes based on using that as a justification. The Congress could refuse to fund it, but their lobbyists are telling them to allocate more for surveillance, not less (high tech/very lucrative). Of course, it is better for the Executive to not act too precipitously – movement creates resistance. The best option is to take away people’s freedom so slowly they don’t even notice. Failing that, you can still take away freedom slowly enough so they won’t rebel. Once their freedom is sufficiently diminished, of course, you can become bolder.
I don’t think a new Executive Order authorizing bulk collection of metadata based on national security imperatives would arouse too much political resistance. They’d still have to ensure they weren’t caught when sharing the data with law enforcement and corporations. But I’m sure they’ve taken measures to protect themselves from new whistleblowers. Or they could make the argument that law enforcement and corporations are a vital component of national security (which they did in the case of the Sony leak).
Still, maybe they’re right to ensure that Congress is on board – since the more people who are complicit, the less chance of a maverick reversing their decisions down the road. Also, no one will later be able to claim an alibi.
The rights still exist. nothing has changed! They are just held in a guardianship by various government agencies until the current situation is over sometime in the distant future. Would you want your rights left out in the open, undefended and liable to be destroyed by the first terrorist that came along? i did not think so; be happy with how things are working out.
Thanks, Dan, for the uplifting news.
And great thanks again – to Ed.
One small step in the right direction. However, when will the current collection policy ever stop, and how will congress and the public ever know for sure that it has stopped? I suspect the program will continue, with some name changes and PR spin and the NSA will still have access to much of the same information. Hopefully that just me being a pessimist, and it really will end.
Thank you to Snowden, and for Greenwalds excellent reporting on these issues.
This is a very good first step — there is still a lot left to do.
This does not even remotely address PRISM or subversion of encryption standards or any of the other unlawful programs being conducted at this time.