In the Boston area yesterday, the FBI and Boston Police Department (BPD) shot and killed a 26-year-old black Muslim man, Usaamah Abdullah Rahim, after they stopped him at a bus stop at 7:00 a.m. in front of a CVS drug store in order to question him. Media reports originally claimed that Rahim wielded a “machete” after he was approached by the agents. But after photos emerged showing how laughable that description was, the weapon was changed in subsequent reports to a “military-style black knife” — not just any knife, but a black one.
Literally within hours of the killing, both the Boston and national media had uncritically published multiple, wholly uncorroborated accusations about Rahim based solely on the claims of the law enforcement agencies that had just killed him. Some law enforcement officials were even granted anonymity by these journalists in order to smear their victim. Rahim was almost instantly convicted by the media of being a dangerous terrorist preparing to carry out an ISIS-inspired attack.
The smearing party was started by a local TV reporter, Cheryl Fiandaca, who bills herself as an “investigative reporter” for Channel 7 News. Here’s how she “investigates” and “reports”:
Prior to joining Channel 7 News last year, guess what Fiandaca’s job was? She was the official spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department, and is also the ex-wife of former Boston Police Commissioner Bill Bratton. Now, in the immediate aftermath of the fatal shooting by her former employers, she’s giving anonymity to “sources” to smear Rahim as “radicalized by #ISIS social media” — whatever that means — and as someone who “may have been planning to attack police.”
The national media predictably joined in the fun. Leading the descent into hysteria and recklessness was, as usual, CNN, which all but depicted the shooting as necessary for fending off an ISIS invasion of the homeland:

NBC Nightly News led its broadcast with this story, and the video featuring a hysterical Lester Holt and Pete Williams has to be seen to be believed. “Good evening,” said the anchor. “We start here tonight with a deadly confrontation outside Boston between law enforcement and a man they feared might be preparing to launch an ISIS-inspired attack.” Even after killing the “terror suspect,” Holt intoned that agents are “still on the move in the Boston area, trying to piece together what he may have been involved with, and whether others might be connected to it.”
The story then narrated by Williams is told from the perspective of the FBI and the BPD. We learn that unnamed officials told NBC News they “were concerned Rahim had become radicalized by ISIS-inspired social media, and was actively considering an attack on police officers in Boston within the next few days, in a city still traumatized by the terrorist bombing of the 2013 Boston Marathon.” The agents approached him “fearing he was preparing to take action soon.” Police are now investigating others Rahim was “in touch with who might also have been radicalized by ISIS-inspired propaganda.” Officials, Williams announced at the end of his report, “believe they disrupted a potential terror plot, but now they’re detaining other people for questioning … to see whether anyone else was involved in his plot, or whether attacks are planned.”
So just like that, major American media outlets converted someone about whom they knew nothing into a dangerous terrorist in the middle of executing an ISIS-related terror plot. And the heroic law enforcement officials didn’t just kill an ISIS Terrorist on the loose in America, but likely disrupted a vicious sleeper cell. All of that was achieved without a shred of evidence or investigation: just mindlessly repeating the self-justifying claims of the police agents who had just killed him.
Even the police’s version of events, if believed, raises all sorts of questions. They say Rahim was under “24-hour surveillance” by the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, and were monitoring him for at least two years. When they approached him, they had no arrest or search warrant, but instead simply wanted to question him. When they did so, he pulled out his knife, and when he refused to put it away and walked toward them, they shot and killed him.
There are numerous questions raised by all of this. If Rahim was so dangerous, why didn’t the constant surveillance result in any charges? If — as the media spent all day claiming — he was on the verge of executing a horrific terror attack, why didn’t law enforcement agents have an arrest warrant or even search warrant? What was their intention in approaching him this way? Were they wearing uniforms, and — supposedly believing he was an ISIS operative eager to kill police — did they do anything to make him feel threatened?
Virtually none of those questions were examined by media discussions yesterday. Most (including the NBC report) did note that Rahim’s brother, a former Boston-area imam whom the Boston Globe said “is known as a voice of moderation and compassion,” claimed Rahim was on the phone with his father when killed by three bullets to the back, though quickly stated that police insist he was killed by two bullets to the abdomen and chest. What actually happened is unclear, and will presumably be clarified by video which police say exists.
Whatever the truth about the shooting itself turns out to be, think about what happened here. A black Muslim man charged with no crime was standing at a bus stop when approached by the FBI and BPD, who had no warrant to arrest him. Within minutes, he was dead. And literally within hours, he was universally vilified in the American media — with zero evidence — as an ISIS-inspired terrorist in the midst of a plot potentially involving multiple unnamed “others,” all based on nothing more than police accusations.As rampant, unjustified police killings have finally entered mainstream discussion, this has become a favored joint tactic of the police and media. Before the killing can be processed by the public, the victim’s character is smeared by media-laundered police claims, often anonymously. Here, the tactic had the sweetened appeal that it could be used to fearmonger over an ISIS attack in the U.S., as Rahim was not only black but also Muslim. As my colleague Murtaza Hussain put it: “14 years after 9/11 law enforcement can kill someone in the street, suggest they were part of a ‘terror network’, and media will just move on.” He added: “Apparently all you have to do to defuse outrage over killing someone is apply the gangster or terrorist label to the still-warm dead body.”
The point here is not that the police claims are untrue. The point is that nobody knows if they are true or not. Yet they were aggressively and uncritically amplified by an always pro-police media, resulting in the vilification of the dead victim as an ISIS-linked terror operative within hours after his death. Precisely as intended, that, in turn, precluded any rational discussion of whether the killing was justified.
Photo: Mark Garfinkel/Associated Press
Here is what a properly sourced, and properly investigated journalistic account of the Boston Islamofascist – or, in Greenwaldspeak, a “smeared victimized 26-year-old black Muslim man”, looks like:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/06/my-former-friend-the-boston-beheader.html
Good to see this piece of worthless Muslim terrorist trash removed from the streets of Boston.
And as a side-note – this again proves beyond any doubt that it isn’t “poverty”,”marginalization,”oppression” and all the other nonsensical drivel Greenwald and his appeasnik but-brigade buddies babble about that leads these murderers to their actions: it is the barbarian, medieval, misogynist, murderous “religion” of Islam.
“Whereas Muslims, true muslims believe that sovereignty is unto the rulings of God alone. Therefore with stealing, comes the cutting of the hand. Adultery, stoning. Defaming the religion of Islam or the Prophet Muhammad, death. These are the rulings as prescribed in Islam. Democracy conflicts with that, because if the majority feel that someones hand shouldn’t be chopped, then sovereignty is given to public opinion, not Divine Revelation.”
This reporter is such a putts!! Mr lefty lib reporter, If you read this, have you ever read the koran? Do you know anything about islam? Obviously not! Muslims should not be trusted, period. They all follow the same koran with it’s more than 100 verses that advocate violence and murder against anyone who refuses to convert. Islams #1 agenda is to dominate the world and force sharia law on every one. Their beloved prophet was a murderer, rapist, and a pedophile. Their religion as well as their god are false and man made to fit their agenda. If I were the leader of this country Ii would allow profiling, and anyone who didn’t like it can get the hell out of the US and go live under sharia law some where else. How many muslims in this country are standing up and speaking out against jihad. Zero!! Why is that? It’s because they all believe the same thing no matter how they act on it. It’s obvious this kid was converted to islam and had every intention to do Americans harm which makes him our enemy, other wise why would he pull out his knife. It’s because he was converted to a bat crap crazy jihadist. Thank goodness they killed him before he had a chance to harm innocent people which is what they love to do best.
With the topic of Glenn’s journalistic abilities having arisen, I offer The Daily Dot from one year ago today, which was downright prescient:
Indeed, and kudos to both Ed and Glenn. Rest here: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-nsa-media-strategy/?tw=dd
So you acknowledge that the police claims could be true, rendering your entire rant moot.
I wonder how Glenn Greenwald, donning his investigative journalist hat, would have reported this story differently? We won’t find out. Glenn prefers blogging from his comfy position of hindsight.
The point here is that the police claims are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter whether Rahim was a candidate for sainthood or the worst mass murderer in human history. What matters is what happened in the seconds immediately before the shooting, and whether or not the people who did the shooting had an objectively reasonable fear for their lives, and no less lethal means of defending themselves.
Um no. Police claims should be met with skepticism, not outright dismissal. The more information that is released, the more it is becoming clear that the “sources” were correct while the victim’s brother, who relied on third hand information, had it wrong.
If Glenn were required to do actual breaking news reporting on this matter, I bet his end product would have been essentially the same.
Um no. Police claims about the shootee’s background, beyond the few seconds immediately preceding the shooting, are completely irrelevant to the issue of whether or not the police were justified in shooting him. Given that irrelevancy, those claims should be dismissed without consideration of truth, or lack of it.
Fuckwit Nate again:
Glenn’s media criticism stands even if every initial utterance from law enforcement turns out to be indisputable.
Mona, are you this insufferable in-person or is this just your internet persona venting?
Now back to the foot of Glenn’s bed you go!
Here’s “Peter” (the viewer of many videos that he is incapable of or not permitted to describe) telling what might be the biggest lie of this thread, and one of the biggest lies of any lie that could be told about anything:
The fact that Greenwald uses the word “victim” in reference to Rahim speaks volumes about Greenwald’s bias.
Nobody sane reads Greenwald for journalism – he is incapable of producing any. We read him for “advocacy”.
“Nobody sane reads Greenwald for journalism” – “Louise Cypher” (ranting internet troll) commenting about Glenn Greenwald, winner or co-winner of numerous journalism awards.
“Louise Cypher” is a study in how to make a fool of yourself on the internet.
“winner or co-winner of numerous journalism awards.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty
“Walter Duranty (1884 – October 3, 1957) was a Liverpool-born, Anglo-American journalist who served as the Moscow Bureau Chief of The New York Times (1922–36). Duranty won a Pulitzer Prize in 1932 for a series of stories on the Soviet Union. Duranty has been criticized for his denial of widespread famine, most particularly the Ukraine mass starvation (1932–33). Years later, there were calls to revoke his Pulitzer; even The New York Times acknowledged his articles constituted “some of the worst reporting to appear in this newspaper.”[1]
His reporting and motivations have been hotly debated, leading to calls to revoke his Pulitzer (which was for reporting unrelated to the later famine controversy). Duranty’s reporting is faulted for being too uncritical of the Soviet regime, including having presented Soviet propaganda as legitimate reporting.[2]
Duranty’s name has become for some synonymous with thinly veiled propaganda masquerading as news, in this case in support of Soviet communism.”
Glenn Greenwald’s name will become as infamous, you’ll see.
I’ve never seen anyone as feeble at making shit up as Tarzi, so either you’re another incarnation of Tarzi, or you’re giving that sad-clown a run fer his money at most lame internet troll.
Loosewheezy, yew bin drinkum teh intocksicants agin? Glenn Greenwald ism’t Jimmy Duranty don u no. Glenn know haf shnozzola liek Jimmy an hee cam’t sing inka dinka doo. Inn fackt, Glenn no sign att awl.
Yew muhst knot bee inkneebreeaht, loosewheezy.
Yew rebelyellings r cos u drunkumness loosewheezy.
Loosewheezy, u bin drinkum teh intocksicants agin? Glenn Greenwald ism’t Jimmy Duranty don u no. Glenn know haf shnozzola liek Jimmy an hee cam’t sing inka dinka doo. Inn fackt, Glenn no sign att awl.
Yew muhst knot bee inkneebreeaht, loosewheezy.
Yew rebelyellings r cos u drunkumness loosewheezy.
“I’ve never seen anyone as feeble at making shit up as Tarzi, so either you’re another incarnation of Tarzi, or you’re giving that sad-clown a run fer his money at most lame internet troll.”
Yeah, dear, that wasn’t in any way whatsoever a cogent response to my comparison of Greenwald to Duranty, or to my prediction that his flavor of fellow-traveler jihadism will be seen in the exactly same light as everyone sees Duranty’s Stalinism-apologetics today. Getting a Pulitzer is no guarantee that the person in question isn’t a moron and/or a despicable human being and/or a worthless journalist.
As for “feeble” and “lame”, I am *truly* devastated. Please do not hurt me with your powerful rhetoric any longer :(
“Cogent response” to dull, rhetorical non-sequitur nonsense is not something that one should expect.
I read your argument. I think it’s a fair argiment to be skeptical of many things, including Greenwald. I also see that you are using pretty much the same argument against Greenwald as this article uses. So you agree with the premise of the article then, or not?
Actually, the ‘volume being spoken’, is your exposed ignorance w/ respect to comprehending the definition of said “word”.. Toots’
Victim – noun
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/victim
A Leslie Can Politely Go Fuk’ Off Production
Here’s what happened:
The FBI tried since at least 2012 to pressure the victim into becoming one of their grasses in the Boston Muslim community. In 2013 he got a job as a security guard at the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center in Roxbury. Boston Zionist militants have been at war with that place from its inception, filing lawsuits to stop it from ever being built, among other things. They lost. We all know how Zees hate to lose. So its been vilified by the Zees as a hotbed of jihadist blah blah blah
non-stop. The FBI came down on the victim to identify radical elements at ISBCC. He refused. When the pigs wouldn’t stop, he quit the job, and stopped going to service there. They had this kid under nonstop harassment since. The so-called intercepted telephone conversations between the victim and his nephew, supposedly revealing the “plot” to kill cops (all because he makes an elliptical reference to boys in blue), are laughable: The kid knew the FBI had his phone calls intercepted. He was effing with them. And that’s why the went at him Tuesday morning. The pigs were pissed. Who is this little shit think he’s playing with?
Whether he came at them with a blade or not, the FBI and its dumbass BPD tagalong tools committed the crimes here. They provoked the confrontation the assassinated the kid.
Far fetched? Hardly. This is FBI SOP in the Age of Islamic Terror. See The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terrorism
“Boston Zionist militants”
LOL. You should be a contributor to this rag, you’d fit right in.
“The so-called intercepted telephone conversations”
It’s simply adorable to see you jihadi fellow travelers fall into impotent rage when you know that the LE is listening :)
“He was effing with them. ”
Looks like they ultimately effed with him back. And what a good job they did :)
“assassinated the kid.”
An actual LOL. Thanks for this. You may be dumber than a box of rocks, but you sure are funny, “Abner”.
I don’t think this behavior is isolated to muslims though. I think that if they can connect their victims to muslims or ANY incident they may be able to label as “terror related” it just makes it that much easier to bully individuals they don’t like, activists, and dissidents.
As domestic law enforcement morphs into resembling an occupying military force, the question has to be, why are we being subjected to near-martial law, and for whom? The propagandistic nature of the media that Glenn points out, as well as the close ties to government officials, makes it appear that there is unprecedented collusion between the super-persons called corporations and the government they buy through donorism. Media ownership has never been so concentrated as now, with a handful of giant corporations calling the tune that reporters who are often former officials, PR mouthpieces and the like, rather than real journalists, are allowed to hum. Where is the accountability to the public that critical journalism is supposed to provide, essential to a functioning democracy?
That he converted to islam and goes by a muslim name is pretty dambing evidence against him already.
On the other hand, the cops have done a lot of unjustified shootings lately. And if their first anonymous statement was bogus , we’re likely looking at another Micheal Brown shooting.
It’s a shame the cops despoil their own legitimacy so often. Now no one trusts them.
What? Converting to Islam is damning evidence of terrorist tendencies? Show me some evidence for this.
The mods missed this …
just sayin’
@Peter
If the question is whether or not the police were justified in shooting this man, I would suggest that the background of the victim is irrelevant. What is relevant is what happened in the seconds leading up to the shooting, and whether or not the police who did the shooting had an objectively reasonable fear for their safety and no less lethal way of dealing with the situation.
My view is that there should essentially always be a less lethal means of dealing with a person armed with a knife, even if they are acting aggressively. Mace, a Taser, a baton strike to the knife arm are all available alternatives, which should be used even at some slight risk to the involved police. The job of the police is to serve and protect. If this means risking their own safety to preserve a citizen’s life, then risks should be taken.
Sources say Rahim, a black man with an Islamic name, may have been planning to conjure an army of undead flying monkeys by using a special black knife (thought by anonymous Game of Thrones experts to be made of “black ice,” which is capable of destroying White Walkers) to harvest the blood of kingborn police officers in a ghastly necromantic ritual.
It is not know what he planned to do with the army he would raise, but experts consider the overthrow of Obama from his Alabaster Throne to be a likely objective. “What else would you do with an army of undead, unkillable flying monkeys if you’re an angry, young, black man possibly deranged and radicalized by ISIS through the Internet?” asked one FBI spokesman with a shrug. “Rob a Walmart?”
What is important in Glenn’s story today is that a US citizen was murdered on the street by government agents, despite having no valid warrant or other reason besides paranoia. Where is the warrant for the wiretaps showing that the victim was (we are told by the govt) “plotting” to kill people? This isn’t mentioned. Instead we are fed stories about the victim being a “promoter of ISIS” and harboring certain opinions. Whatever those opinions were, we have a 1st Amendment and people aren’t tailed, wiretapped and harassed publicly for expressing weird ideas, are they? (Yes, they are, now…)
Glenn’s story illustrates the FBI-Stasi lie machine at work, not to mention the Boston Police. Did they ever kill any IRA sympathizers like this in Boston?
The victim here may have had bad opinions and “may” have “intended” to act, but opinions and intentions, absent concrete plans, do not constitute probable cause for murdering someone. Carrying a knife doesn’t either.
It is clear that this case, as in several other similar and murky cases where the FBI murdered supposed Islamic radical sympathizers, that there is only one narrative, that of the killers. No real objective investigation. The “usual suspects” can be murdered at will. After all, they hold “bad ideas” and “might” do something.
This was a classic provocation intended to kill the target. It worked. And now the lies are spread like manure by the media.
Welcome to the Land of the Free.
“a US citizen was murdered on the street by government agents, despite having no valid warrant or other reason besides paranoia.”
No, a murderous Muslim terrorist thug – who was plotting to behead a free speech activist before he decided to attack and behead Boston police officers instead, all in the name of his murderous so-called prophet and their bloodthirsty god – was shot and killed after he attacked the police officers with a knife. As much as you useful idiots and jihadi fellow travelers want to spin it, starting with your spinster-in-chief Greenwald, the facts of the case are clear and unassailable. And they are clearly presented by *actual* journalists writing for *actual* newspapers:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3110889/Pictured-Boston-terror-suspects-inspired-ISIS-revealed-one-called-father-say-goodbye-shot-dead.html
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2015/06/usaamah_rahim_called_dad_to_say_goodbye_before_shooting
Let’s hope many, many more of these murderous Muslim terrorist thugs meet the same fate.
Be careful, Louise. Self-parody is like the song of the siren. Once you have a taste, you only need more.
Ok, the gig is up: You are a parody account.
Surely this is satire. The give away are the links: dailymail and bostonherald!!
The problem with what you write is that it is mere assertion. None of that has been proven to the satisfaction of either judge nor jury. And it’s quite possible that what you write is true, but in the American system the constitution ostensibly guarantees certain rights such as due process. Usaamah Rahim did not get due process. More worrisome is the fact that people seem to be OK with the police killing a young black man if they can smear him with the “terrorist” label.
The fact of the matter is this. There’s no good reason why multiple police officers cannot take down a knife-wielding suspect without killing him. They had been following this guy for a long time and they should have been prepared. There are any number of ways they could have disarmed him non-lethally. They could have cast a net over him. They could have lassoed him. They could have hit him with a water canon. There are myriad ways.
And even if you don’t care about the lives of innocents, you should care that the police destroyed any possible evidence that this guy might have had. Right? they cannot question a dead man, and so whatever plot might have been going on can now not be as well understood as it otherwise might have been.
Finally, while this guy may indeed have been plotting a crime or thinking about a crime. But the real question is did he commit an actual crime? Could he have been convicted of such?
What the Boston police did is not justice.
Kim G
Boston, MA
I absolutely love this from Ms. Louise Cypher:
See Law, Poe’s.
Moona hunnee moer liek ‘Lawdy wat a poze’ don u no.
Mabel hunnee howe u dewin? I prey four yew salivation evun thoe it wud meen dropp inn bidness four u.
Loosewheeze iss fourtolled in skripshur
Hur is asstinushmunt an hisser fer shur an witdout inhibitants don u no.
What is there to comment about, this incident is not unusual wether it is Black, Brown poor or mentaly unstable of all skin colors; Just another “legal killing” on our streets.
If one is out shopping you just walk around the stiff and the”Army of God” surrounding it, text “oh my god, you won’t believe what I just seen”.Penny’s having a 25% sale of all silk undies”.
If a hustler you use phone or camera to latrr show on You Tube and hope to make some blikg or at least get you selfie to show world.
Then again if you are lucky you can make a living trying to raise thehysteria rate in order to dell more of your writings.
We are all whores of the system, dome are just closer to the meat than others.
Hmmm, this sounds like a development:
– “Facebook just took another surprising step towards securing your communications online.
…Most important for now may be getting more people using PGP and improving the ecosystem of tools that support the standard. “They’re acting as kind of a trend leader to drag other big platforms into this world,” she says. Even if only a thousandth of a percent of Facebook’s users end up using it, she points out, that’s still 15,000 people.
And by adopting these tools, Facebook is making it harder to for criminals to steal your credentials or read your messages. And that’s a good thing, Saitta says, because they improves the overall security of Facebook.
“Things like Tor and PGP are not just useful for high-risk users,” she says. “They actually build a better internet for everyone.””
http://www.wired.com/2015/06/new-facebook-feature-shows-actual-respect-privacy/
That didn’t take long:
– “Document dump regarding Trade in Services Agreement comes day after organization put $100,000 bounty on documents from series of US trade treaties
“The irony of the text containing repeated references to transparency, and an entire Annex on transparency requiring governments to provide information useful to business, being negotiated in secret from the population exposes in whose interests these agreements are being made,” she said.”
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/03/wikileaks-documents-trade-in-services-agreement
It is interesting, if you look up “transparency and Obama” you get fifty percent more references than “transparency and Bush” I can only assume that talking a lot about transparency, doesn’t equal transparency:
– “FOIA Backlog Soars Despite Obama Pledge of Transparency
Federal agencies are struggling to keep up with the growing number of requests for public information, raising questions in Congress about the Obama administration’s dedication to transparency.
The backlog of unfulfilled requests for documents has doubled since President Barack Obama took office in 2009, according to a recent report by the Justice Department. The number of requests also has spiked.
“The president has committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government,” said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. “But that’s not the case” in filling requests under the Freedom of Information Act.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/foia-backlog-soars-obama-pledge-transparency-31501620
This is shocking news, Iran is continuing to do, what it never agreed to stop doing, and has stopped doing what it agreed to stop doing, …and American and Israeli officials find this alarming!!!
– “As recently as last week, the US Department of Defense assessed that Iran was still developing technologies that can be used in order to produce nuclear weapons, despite the fact that the Islamic Republic has been engaged in negotiations with world powers aimed at curbing its atomic program, Bloomberg reported Thursday.
Quoting an unclassified summary from a Pentagon document on Iran’s military capabilities, the report said that Tehran has been conducting research that “could be applicable to nuclear weapons,” but has nevertheless “fulfilled its obligations” to the P5+1 world powers and “paused progress” in parts of its nuclear program. “
http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-iran-may-still-be-developing-tech-for-nuclear-arms/
Evidence suggests Iranian citizens are continuing to eat and drink despite Israel’s wish that they would stop doing so.
Hmm, Israel is “an island of sanity”:
– “Orange says it plans to terminate contract with brand partner in Israel
Yair Lapid, head of the opposition Yesh Atid party, also attacked Richard for the comments, and called on state-run France Telecom, which owns a majority stake in Orange, to distance itself from the comments.
“This is hypocrisy of the highest order,” he said in a statement. “I don’t remember him having a problem making money here and profiting from Israeli citizens. The state of Israel is an island of sanity in this difficult neighbourhood and we certainly won’t accept lessons in morality from someone so self-righteous and detached.”
The row over Richard’s comments came as the US ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, pointedly remarked that the threats to boycott Israel were being driven, in part, by a lack of peace negotiations. “
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/04/orange-says-it-plans-to-terminate-contract-with-brand-partner-in-israel
Here’s an example of Yair Lapid’s “sanity”:
– ”He said the large swaths of land known as East Jerusalem that Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 war and later annexed must stay Israeli because “we didn’t come here for nothing.””
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/world/middleeast/fresh-israeli-face-plays-down-political-decline.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1
I like it when there’s truth in humour:
– “Frustrated NSA Now Forced To Rely On Mass Surveillance Programs That Haven’t Come To Light Yet
FORT MEADE, MD—Expressing frustration over Congress’ decision to let the provisions allowing the bulk collection of phone data expire, annoyed National Security Agency officials reported Monday that the organization would now be forced to rely exclusively on mass surveillance programs that have yet to come to light. “
http://www.theonion.com/article/frustrated-nsa-now-forced-rely-mass-surveillance-p-50550?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Pic:2:Default
If you contrast this event, where a man was followed intensively on his social media and phone by surveillance, with the earlier filibuster by Rand Paul in the US Senate where he opposed provisions of the Patriot Act where fear of jihad after 9/11 opened the door to data collection on all Americans, you can see that this is a demonstration of how useful that collection has been. Since it is something that took place in Boston, I see it as a psychodrama, because Boston is very theatrical. Just take a man the police killed and turn him into something bigger and more of a prize for them. Don’t stop to ask if lethal force was appropriate or whether any cop actually feared for his life. Use him as a kind of Guy Fawkes “guy” and instead of trashing Catholics as the British did with such things, use him to trash Muslims. But basically reinforce all the unconstitutional measures taken after other events “changed everything.” Now Boston police can “connect the dots” whenever they have used excessive force.
There do same to be a lot of people that end up dead after interfacing with US authorities, and the corruption extends throughout agencies and levels of the American government:
– “CIA torture more ‘brutal and sadistic’ than Senate report disclosed
Last year an intelligence source provided a very similar description of CIA excesses against an unnamed detainee, telling The Telegraph: “They weren’t just pouring water over their heads or over a cloth. They were holding them under water until the point of death, with a doctor present to make sure they did not go too far. This was real torture.”
The source added that doctors were also present during the near-death interrogations to ensure there was not a fatality – a fact corroborated by Mr Khan – who says he begged one doctor for help but the doctor instead instructed the guards to hang him from a metal bar for a further 24 hours.
The notes say that Mr Khan was kept in the dark for much of 2003 and in solitary confinement from 2004-2006, that he was threatened with tools, including a hammer, and that his interrogators sometimes had the smell of alcohol on their breath. “
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11647370/CIA-torture-more-brutal-and-sadistic-than-Senate-report-disclosed.html
Right. So accordingly, we’re going to send ‘two’ officials to go and “question” him w/ respect to inquiring about stated ‘imminent threat’.. Fuk`n Classic!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/usaama-rahim-boston-terrorism-suspect-planned-beheading-authorities-say.html?_r=0
An I’m Not Fallin’ For No Banana In The Tail-Pipe Production
Interesting…..so many talking about how Rahim was “vilified ” by media and BPD without any investigation but no one talking about how his brother LIED within hours saying Rahim was: 1. Shot in back (LiE) and 2. On his cellphone with his poor dear father (LIE). So now let’s talk about who is smearing who’s reputation!!
What, no updates to this ludicrous “article” from the usually very update-happy author? We are waiting for your “interviews” and “analysis” with bated breath. Lol.
Meanwhile, more *actual* journalism here:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/06/03/saw-sweetness-him-neighbor-says-man-fatally-shot-law-enforcement-roslindale/yTHH6fkIc4YVt6WydNQqCJ/story.html
It manages to *perfectly* convey the insidious manner these Muslim jihadi murderers stay below the radar and act like simple Americans while secretly plotting acts of terror; they are exploiting the low level of information among the general public about Muslim imperialist jihad being waged on the free world.
The neighbors Hernandez and her brother are truly tragicomic in their idiocy; “He was a gentle giant” and ““I wanted to bring the word of God to him”.
And, of course, regardless of the clear facts of this case and all the other cases of Muslim terrorism, the useful idiots will continue their denial of the very real facts of home-grown terrorism, of Islamic jihad as an imperialist project, and of an attempt to impose – by murderous force – Muslim blasphemy codes regarding the depiction of their so-called prophet on the entire world, and will continue to engage in dumb conspiracy theories and idiotic “arguments” about police brutality and innocent gentle giants.
quote”And, of course, regardless of the clear facts of this case and all the other cases of Muslim terrorism, the useful idiots will continue their denial of the very real facts of home-grown terrorism, of Islamic jihad as an imperialist project, and of an attempt to impose – by murderous force – Muslim blasphemy codes regarding the depiction of their so-called prophet on the entire world, and will continue to engage in dumb conspiracy theories and idiotic “arguments” about police brutality and innocent gentle giants.”unquote
Indeed. Clear facts. sheeezushchrist. So says a LE propaganda sockpuppet. Meanwhile, the USG terrorizes and murders 1000’s of innocent human beings via Drone delivered death from above with incendiary precision.
Fuck you Louise. If creepy were weather you’d be a history making hurricane.
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I very much regret that those in Boston who rely on the Boston Globe will be misled by its cover-ups, shams, and fidelity (pun intended) to false values which give the police free reign over a poor and subject population. Boston Strong means the place where your brain should be has been replaced by a fist.
Madame Zero, You still have not figured out that this article is not about the facts of the case, but rather about the response of the mainstream press to official accounts of the event. Your latest link is a “human interest” story of a twisted kind,not much to do with facts in any case.
There’s still nothing concrete that supports the alleged “beheading plot.” Given that the government and the media would be eager to report on that, I think it’s entirely appropriate to suspect it’s a fabrication — not an uncommon thing these days.
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Louise, Louise, Louise. I know I typed this, because I can still see it posted: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/03/media-trash-character-police-shooting-victim-reporting-anonymous-smears/#comment-137511
As usual, Greenwald’s critique of media inadequacies is right on target. Even so, if the reports are accurate that the police were prepared to wait and see what developed while the initial intended target was Pamela Geller, and only sought to intervene when they themselves subsequently became the target, I can’t help but think they may have been two for two on this one.
https://twitter.com/onekade/status/606187849420009472
Inforrrmer/A licky boom-boom down
Black muslim? We know that islam is an arabic religion, and an arabic problem. Please america, stop trying to intertwine african americans with these arabic radicals. 95 percent of us are and always will be Christians. We african americans believe in Jesus Christ, and the media will never be able to change that. No matter how many so called black muslim faces that you show, and try to say “see the black man has something to do with it ” I have still yet to see a white or african american suicide bomber. Say those lies, and that drama.
Build the fear.
I don’t think most people can comprehend the level of clueless faith in some of the top commentators in Boston. Their backgrounds are not the sort which should fill you with confidence about their knowledge of history or a wider world. They are, in short, parochial and somewhat ignorant. One person who is breathlessly intoning her fears about terrorism on the radio is ladylike, trusted Marjorie Egan, a sidekick on the old Emily Rooney show “Greater Boston” (Emily is much darker person with far more of the will-to-lie, and though she retired from the show, she comes back to do special assignments when nothing can be left to chance). I recently enjoyed a three-way discussion among Marjorie and two more local yokels (I know it is an old city, but that does not mean it reeks with worldly sophistication, unless your standards are very low) about a disease from the 19th century whose meaning they tried to guess at, never hitting the target and certainly never googling it during their time-wasting. It was “consumption.” What a funny turn they did on the graves of our ancestors about that one. It was an advertisement for being light-weight and threat-free “journalists” who are utterly helpless (except for this improv opportunity) unless handed some script they must interpret.
This is appalling. You don’t kill someone with a knife, you shoot them in the hand holding the knife, and that’s if you have to shoot them at all. Why is law enforcement shooting to kill in the 1st place. They are not the judge or jury, nor are should they be allowed to be the executioner.
FAUX MEDIA COVERAGE.
FBI / BPD propaganda.
knife vs gun???
People like Peter seem unaware of the incredibly high rate of cops killing citizens in the United States: Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-kill-citizens-70-times-rate-first-world-nations/#1Kgeo3i0gFfx76UD.99
Something is radically wrong with law enforcement in America: It kills far, far too many of those whom it is supposed to serve and protect.
Your facts would make more sense if it was done a per capita basis. Of course there would be less people killed in Canada because they have a lot smaller population. Also the UK has almost nil percentage of the population carrying guns..even the police there don’t carry guns much. If you look at countries where its common for citizens and police to carry firearms e.g. Phillipines or mexico, then you’d probably see that per capita it matches up. My question is why weren’t taser employed instead of resorting to a gun…
We have a higher percentage of thugs.
The grand social experiment has failed. Time to encourage tow parent families (married or not) via government polices and fit the broken schools already in inner cities.
Do you have a citation showing that the U.S. has a “higher percentage of thugs” than Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Iceland etc. such that our rate of citizens killed by cops should be more than 70 times higher?
Why shouldn’t we be looking at the social and law enforcement policies of those nations?
And this is exactly why I will no longer watch, or read, mainstream media.
@Louise Cypher
You my dear have a basic reading comprehension problem. These passages in the Greenwald piece appear not to have been processed by your angry mind:
And:
And:
And, my emphasis:
Louise, honey, that is all true.
You do NOT need a warrant to question someone.They claim to have heard on surveillance he was moving up the cop beheading plan to right away.Multiple black community leaders saw the video and said A)Police and FBI did NOT approach him with guns out and B)He
pulled out a knife and started moving towards them
and C)They actually attempted to resolve the situation
without violence by retreating a couple times.Maybe the black community leaders are lying then?
Wake up America! If a member of law enforcement approaches you and wants to question you, you do not pull out a knife and you do not walk toward them with your knife. You cooperate! He should have been shot. If someone walked toward you with a knife, wouldn’t you wish you had a gun so you could shoot them? Thankful for our law enforcement. Disgusted with the left wing liberals for condemning those who protect us.
Regardless of what occurred or what the victim’s motives were, whatever happened to shooting someone in the leg?
Black Man was found Guilty of being a Muslim!!
#BlackLivesMatter
The full story will eventually emerge. Until then, one thing is clear. Proper knife control legislation must be introduced as soon as possible, or nobody will be safe.
“Proper knife control legislation must be introduced as soon as possible, or nobody will be safe.”
I would say you are chasing the tail, Duce.
Strike at the head.
Cut off the head.
The head is thought.
So I would suggest the answer is “Proper thought control legislation must be introduced as soon as possible, or nobody will be safe.
You guys can continue this knock-down-drag-out as long as you want, but the news stories I’m seeing are promising video of the confrontation and killing, and audio recordings of the guy plotting to kill Pamela Geller and/or cops. ( http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/us/boston-police-shooting/ ). So either the police are telling the truth or they have gone and bounced a very big check drawn against their credibility; we’ll soon see which.
The question is not whether the authorities are telling the truth. Killing was clearly being discussed by Rahim and Wright. What was done in the past 36 hour or so since the killing is that Rahim and Wright have been portrayed more like Bonnie and Clyde rather than Laurel and Hardy. Just from the affidavit presented in court this afternoon, it appears that Rahim may have had trouble slicing cheese let alone beheading a police officer. Further evidence may prove this conclusion incorrect. Nothing, so far, proves these guys were even remotely in the class of ISIS or trained terrorists.
Shoot, everybody’s so damn _picky_ nowadays. You can’t even qualify for a “nut with a knife” position without going through an interview process and proving that you have the manual dexterity, good health, combat training, and serious frame of mind. When I was a kid if you wanted to become a nut with a knife all you had to be was a nut and all you needed to get was a knife!
I feel horrible for this man and completely understand how unlawful the law is. It’s disgusting.
There is video. It was shown to community and religious leaders. They all agreed:
1. He was ADVANCING on Police with “9.75 in Marine fighting knife” while they were backing up.
2. He was shot in the front – NOT the back – pure fabrication.
3. He was not on a cell phone did NOT say “I can’t breathe” – pure fabrication.
Either the father (who he supposedly on the phone with) OR the brother who lied to journalists is a deliberate liar who ALSO should be looked at for terroristic plotting ’cause it sure sounds like he wants to deflect attention away and a deliberate lie that fast certainly had that effect. Either that or he did it for money – pretty cold to lie with the potential of sending innocent people to jail or DEATH – but not if you were in on it. Remember David Wright (his co-conspirator) said in a RECORDING by Law Enforcement to erase everything because he could incriminate others – PLURAL.
@Peter
Who was asked not to release information about a video demonstration that was given to provide information?
With your controlled comprehension you seem to have been given the assignment of message master. Perhaps you assumed the role because of your dedication to truth and justice or maybe it’s your ‘friendship’ with ‘Al’ … Perhaps you are the BPD Chaplain?
Try reading the sentence you quoted — do you not understand how information, press releases, etc are embargoed? Or are you being willfully dense?
No one assigned me a task as “message master.” Not sure what exactly that means. And, as you know, I’ve already rather exhaustively explained my lack of connection with law enforcement agencies. Maybe I just don’t like to see a fact-free, sourceless hatchet job, most of which is provably not true. Sometimes people don’t actually have to have ulterior motives. Maybe you don’t understand, some people actually believe in truth, and justice.
We have an uncritical press in a country where the police kill far more people than expected based on international statistics. The article examines the first part of that statement. Like Madame Zero, you have reacted to the article as if it made false claims about the facts of this case. You have even claimed to have knowledge of what happened beyond what was and still is available to the public. I think it is reasonable now to assume that you are lying.
Yeah, Peter had a mission and he gets an epic ‘fail’. He’s quick to point out he’s not connected with law enforcement but he fails to explain why he would be included in the video conference held by BPD.
Name-dropping Sharpton was pretty funny, tho. I mean, really, Al Sharpton? bwahahahaha.
BPD states they had “no way of anticipating the response” from the alleged knife-wielding suspect yet is was announced that authorities had x-rayed an Amazon package, delivered days earlier to the victim, which showed the ‘military style’ knife.
Sure, if you are a cop , you should risk your life to protect the life of a knife wielding thug… If he kills you, you can just spawn in a new spot and start over and try it again! Oh this wasn’t a video game??
No one should be expected to put their life in danger for a job making $60,000.
If you don’t want to get shot, drop your knife- real simple concept. Why was he carrying a huge knife anyways? You come at a cop with a knife, expect to get shot – the cop knows he won’t re spawn if he gets stabbed. Too many people think real life is like a video game – it’s not.
Just a little reality does for you people who don’t have a clue.
@Peter-Your 3:24 pm comment was a response to my comment but for some reason the comments are having difficulties functioning so I’m going to respond to your 3:24 pm comment this way. The last sentence of that comment states that there has to be 2 or more officers present when questioning a person suspected of criminal acts (I paraphrased but thats what you said). Why did the police say they just wanted to talk? They DIDN’T say he was suspected of committing such and such criminal acts and we were trying to make a criminal arrest. Therefore, its reasonable that Mr Rahim was feeling threatened when confronted by a group of strangers and defended himself. In your world a person wearing a badge is the only person allowed to defend him/herself. Thats all you state is that the officers have a right to defend themselves. Not if the officers cause Mr Rahim to feel unjustly threatened and defend himself. Its reasonable to fear for your life when confronted by a group of strange people even if they are not displaying a weapon. Yes, officers may use deadly force but it doesn’t make it legal or justified when its used especially if they provoked the response that lead the officers to shoot Mr Rahim. The problem I have with your beliefs is that members of law enforcement are immune to the laws that they themselves are enforcing. Thats why you were correctly identified (not attacked as you incorrectly proven by your failed argument) as an “authoritarian.”
So it was you that was having the “hysterical rant” not Glenn.
Glenn was correct again!!!!
“Glenn was correct again!!!!”
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He had a 9.75″ marine fighting knife on his person – that shows us either:his intention was to harm others OR he was REALLY scared of the world which means his judgement would be impaired and it’s not “reasonable that Mr Rahim was feeling threatened”. Also normal people don’t whip out knives when approached. Just not done NORMALLY. So either malicious intent or mental illness motivated the attack.
How was he threatened by 2 clearly identified law enforcement officers saying “We’d like to talk to you?” Would that make any reasonable person pull out a commando knife and try to attack them? What was he defending himself against, being asked a question on a public street? Don’t be ridiculous.
How? Who knows? I do not and you do not. But if he was mentally unstable and had noticed that he was being monitored by the police, I can see why he might react that way. I am not justifying what he did or planned to do, but I think you have to make an effort to understand what happened, not just uncritically believe that the FBI and the police did the right thing.
This is from the three latest posts below – just amazingly dumb, you really couldn’t make it up:
“It’s bad enough to walk around the US streets with African features, but a as Muslim too? Poor bastard. ”
“wow, another guy they just sat around staring at until they needed a few headlines. what a shock. and such coincidental timing”
“Police killing a man and then rationalizing to bits. ISIS/terror plots etc: we’re being set up apparently here in Boston for another major false flag”
Meanwhile, in the real world:
http://wgbhnews.org/post/read-us-attorneys-complaint-against-everett-beheading-plot-suspect-david-wright
“16. At approximately 5:00 a.m. on June 2, 2015, RAHIM called WRIGHT and advised him that he had changed his plans and no longer planned to commit an attack in another state. Instead, he said that he was going to “go after” the “boys in blue,” which I believe to be a reference to police officers. During this telephonic conversation, which was recorded, the following statements, among other things, were made:
RAHIM: And, ah, but I can’t wait that long, I can’t wait that long man.
***
WRIGHT: Are you, are you trying to figure out where, are you trying to go to [the other state]?
RAHIM: No.
WRIGHT: You are not, I’m trying to understand, wait, you are not trying to go to [the other state]?
RAHIM: No.
***
WRIGHT: Oh, oh wait a minute, oh ah, you are going to be, ah, you’re attempting to go on vacation I see.
RAHIM: Yeah, I’m going to be on vacation right here in Massachusetts…I’m just going to ah go after them, those boys in blue. Cause, ah, it’s the easiest target and, ah, the most common is the easiest for me…
8. After discussing with RAHIM the plan to attack police officers, WRIGHT directed RAHIM to delete information from, and destroy, his Smartphone and wipe his laptop computer. Specifically, with regards to RAHIM’s phone, WRIGHT instructed RAHIM:
WRIGHT: [m]ake sure also, very important, make sure that, ah, at the moment that you decide to that you ah, delete, you delete ah, from your phone or you break it apart. Throw it down to the ground.
RAHIM: Yup.
WRIGHT: Get rid of it, before anybody gets it; make sure it’s completely destroyed.
RAHIM: I will.
WRIGHT: Because, at the scene, at the scene ,CSI will be looking for that particular thing and so dump it, get rid of that. At the time you are going to do it, before you reach your destination you get rid of it.”
^ My heart positively *bleeds* for the nice Mr. Rahim, who was merely trying to go on a well-deserved vacation where he would carve nice little Muslamic decorations with his newly-bought nice little knife, and whose peace-making ways were so brutally cut short by the Islamophobic hands of the big bad war-mongering American Po-lice.
So, this is your case? Kind of weak.
I’m sincerely glad that Rahim and Wright (and the unnamed third person) were not successful in killing or hurting police officers or anyone else. However, the press should not overstate the threat. It sounds like Rahim was going to “vacation” by himself. You can hurt a lot a people by yourself, with a knife or three. But his weird statements were twisted by officials to sound like they uncovered a major terrorist cell.
Quotes from the affidavit presented in court this afternoon makes Rahim and Wright sound more like Teach and Donny from American Buffalo rather than serious, expert terrorists. Of course they could have been a threat to commit violence. But talking first in code “going on vacation” and then saying, in the same breath, “those boys in blue” clearly show them to be, first and foremost, idiots.
Madame Zero,
How has anything you have written addressed the issue raised in this article?
Thanks for the link and I read the paperwork. Very scary, cutting off cop’s heads! Reminds me of the Indiana Jones flick, when the martial arts expert flashes all his scary karate moves until Indiana gets bored and shoots him. It would not surprise me if Wright is yet another FBI “informant” paid to entrap yet another unbalanced person. It certainly serves to keep the Chicken Little knees knockin’ over Muslim boogy men.
Geez Louise, don’t you know an entrapment sting when you see one? “Hey buddy, did you get that knife I sent you in the mail? This is the regulation neck slicer that ISIS uses.”
It’s bad enough to walk around the US streets with African features, but a as Muslim too? Poor bastard. He had the worst of both worlds. Of course there are more than a few uniformed goons on the streets who Serve (the 1%) and Protect (their property) who will shoot first and never ask questions – it is the American Way since Dick Cheney orchestrated the 911 attacks and blamed them on the Muslims. But that will come out sooner or later… Mr. Snowden?
Really? Do you have anything to back that up? Why aren’t the streets running red if all these cops are killing people left and right? How many people were killed by cops in the US last year (if you scroll down, a kind person provided me a link to those figures)? And how many cops are there in the US? So, what percentage of cops killed someone, let alone “shoot first first and never ask questions?”
Btw, are you saying that the 9/11 hijackers weren’t Muslim?
Right now Police Officers are being assaulted EVERY six seconds in this country – which says a lot considering there are only 900,000 of them (that’s a generous estimate) and 320,000,000 of us which makes them less than 3% of the population. Out of a hundred people – three (well two and then some) are being attacked and hurt by God only knows how many of the remaining 97. It’s horrifying.
I don’t have the numbers for the surge in Police Officers being shot but they are being killed WITHOUT question simply for who they are – not through mistakes or poor training. Why don’t people care?
The Guardian UK has those figures – Oklahoma wins the per capita killing award, CA gets the highest total. Most killed nationwide are Caucasian. Still, blue-suited goons are common in less-affluent neighborhoods. As far as 911, spend a day perusing all the easily-obtainable facts about it, then tell me you still believe the official report. Cheney had the motive and the means to pull it off, not some man in a cave in the middle of nowhere.
Couldn’t answer any one of the questions, eh? You’re either a really talentless troll or a willing moron who gets all his information from Alex Jones. Either way, it’s not worth talking to you.
thanks for the much needed laugh cwradio – I am in fact one of those; black, first generation immigrant with an overtly Islamic name – i call it “layered liability” sometimes “layered risk” and it has costed me beau coup interms of lost business opportunities and unnecessary legal expenditures. Mind you as an immigrant and cognizant of the fact that i chose to live and remain within this (American) community, I go out of my way to obey my chosen communities’ laws and respect their customs but still…….no matter how careful, including buying my home outside of the city limits solely to minimize contact with the armed and costumed guys…i fail.
If anything i feel sorry for those who rejoice and support killings of minorities and marginalized “others” – they don’t appear to recognize it always starts with those most powerless before it gets implemented on them. Reminds me of a Somali adage; “first rule of laying a trap is to ensure you don’t fall in it”.
Just don’t go making any murderous terrorist plots to behead or blow up innocent people in an attempt to impose the internal blasphemy code of your religion on the entire society and you’ll be fine, dear.
nice one. a few of my banal thoughts:
as you mentioned, this a nice combination of “look what constant danger we’re in!!” patriot act shrieking and cop killing with impunity. makes sense if you assume the people running the show are anxious that all the rage they’re causing in the world might actually come back to them at some point. “if we actually report on cop killings we might piss off the teamsters with guns and who will protect us when the torches and pitchforks come out?”
as long as the elites want to screw with the rest of us, they’ll need brute force to back it up. that (and hardcoded bigotry, obviously) is why cops get away with this kind of bullshit.
as for the fbi connection: wow, another guy they just sat around staring at until they needed a few headlines. what a shock. and such coincidental timing. so…they couldn’t call the guy out for anything after two years when i was under the impression blanket surveillance is the only thing between us and a scorched sharia hellscape. odd.
this also reminds me of the door-to-door police state nonsense that happened in boston after the bombing (you know, when the civilian out smoking a cigarette spotted the guy a few hundred robocops missed?) and the impunity the entire force enjoyed at the time. seems they aren’t giving it up that easily.
There is so much that is wrong here. Police killing a man and then rationalizing to bits. ISIS/terror plots etc: we’re being set up apparently here in Boston for another major false flag–the fact that the police can whip this stuff out– “being radicalized by social media”– and that local media will replay this unquestoningly points to what propaganda we are being surrounded with. The thing about having had this person under 24/7 surveillance for 2 years: we need to question this, in particular–for perhaps he is not the only one under surveillance 24/7 for years. Using secret FISA warrants, who else is the FBI surveilling 24/7 for years at a time, and for what reason? How many of those being surveilled, even under warrant, for so long have Anything to do with any kind of terrorist group? Is this the fate that awaits all of them/us? (A quick kill, a vicious smear campaign, a lot of rationalizing…) Both Boston Police and the FBI need to be held accountable here. Not to mention local media.
Lester Holt isn’t any better than Brian Williams. Reporting things which you don’t know for sure to be true isn’t a whole lot different than making stuff up.
I like that “Reporting things you don’t know for sure to be true isn’t a whole lot different than making stuff up.” But it sure is easier. You just read what they tell you to read. No effort necessary, except to move your jaw and make the air come through. Even whistling requires a bit more skill.
“Even whistling requires a bit more skill.”
Funny true.
Maybe GG was a little quick with this article, here is a story on the NYT website:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/usaama-rahim-boston-terrorism-suspect-planned-beheading-authorities-say.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
PLOTTED A BEHEADING!!!!!!! He must have loved Saudi Arabia where they are beheading at a good clip 88 for 2015 and counting.
Was it GG that was too quick or the national media?
There’s video. It was shown to community and religious leaders and everyone saw that what the Police reported happened, had indeed happened. They were defending the public and their own LIVES. They have the right to defend themselves and the shooting was justified THANK GOD for video!
Dead men tell no truths.
Tell that to the Medical Examiner!
And 470 killed in the US by police and counting in 2015.
A better clip than the 88 in Saudi Arabia.
Steps closer to 1984… a human life is still a life, regardless of race or religion.
If this man was really planning a attack in the coming days, i don’t think he would lunge at 3 cops with a knife. Just saying.
This collaboration between the BPD and the FBI is interesting. It seems to combine the predilections of the FBI to ‘concoct a terrorist plot’ and the municipal police to ‘shoot a black man’. Individually, each narrative was becoming a bit threadbare. But mixed together, they seem to be re-invigorated. This is a testament to the power of cross pollination.
Your insights can be more than a bit disturbing sometimes.
The term is ‘hybrid vigor’.
“Parallel Construction”
The term ‘hybrid vigor’ can be a bit oxymoronic when one considers the following potential limitations of hybrids:
One hopes that nature finds a way to inhibit the growth of this particular hybridization because our societal barriers appear to have been rendered inept.
A typical use of government faux media as a tool to promote fear.
Cointelpro 2015
Here’s a quote from the CNN article that Louise Cypher failed to include:
“I don’t think that he was shot in the back. … However we couldn’t see clearly at all,” he said, adding that the distance preventing from seeing whether the Rahim was brandishing a knife. “It was very far away. We can’t be clear as to what transpired.”
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I don’t know anything about all that, but I have noticed a woman doing a mesothelioma ad who looks exactly like Jeb Bush, even down to hair style and eyeglasses. Don’t know who to send this to at The Daily Show, but feel free to forward it if you do. Cheers!
I’m just sooo relieved we’ll have the Freedom Act to protect us now. hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahhahhahahhahahahhahhahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahhhahahhahahahhahahahhahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahhahahahhahahhahahahzzzzzzzzzzzzzz____________________________________
Today we live in Stalin’s Soviet Union, Hitler’s Germany and Saddam’s Iraq. I think it is time to end the debate about civilized or domesticated. Either way we can not do anything about it because we are not even aware. A Black Slave was trillion times better then us because at least he knew he was a slave. 3 Millions innocent Muslims got killed in last 25 years and still they are the terrorist? They just arrested a 95 years old Hitler’s guard in Europe after 80 years. Bush is still alive, Clinton is still alive, Papa Bush is still alive! Where are the handcuffs?
“3 Millions innocent Muslims got killed in last 25 years”
*chuckle*
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a) 1 Million Innocent sucklings (1991-2001) -They stopped counting around half a million. HOrrOu8uV8o
b) 2 Million killed since 2001 in 7 countries including Iraq , Afghanistan, Pakistan and Palestine.
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You certainly are a sociopath to laugh at the deaths of millions of your fellow human beings most of those who died were children. Don’t believe the numbers? Of course like Farisson you would deny they even existed let alone died…. Sick
Why is that funny? Have you ever stopped and thought what it would be like to walk in a middle eastern persons shoes? Or are you so brainwashed with prejudice and hate that it’s impossible to look at issues objectively?
I’m curious when it came to pass in this nation that the police no longer feel compelled to effectuate a dangerous arrest? I mean, in my opinion, there is a big difference between brandishing a gun at a police officer and brandishing a knife at same. Even with a bullet proof vest on, a suspect pointing a gun at a police officer is quite clearly a deadly threat to an officer. A knife not really. And so long as a knife wielding suspect isn’t advancing on any civilian, or chasing down a retreating officer, I’m always disturbed by the idea the officers can’t wait a few minutes for backup, keeping the suspect verbally engaged with guns drawn, and wait for a few more officers with riot shields and helmets arrive to surround the guy, knock him down and disarm him. I mean given the tactical gear that officers have access to, the chances of a suspect wielding a knife against officers landing a deadly strike to the throat or a major artery is fairly low.
I’ve always said that I don’t blame officers for firing on suspects when the suspect is armed with a gun and pointing it at the officer or a civilian–although on a case by case basis given the proximity of the suspect to the officer or civilians and the overall situation. But I’ve never understood how it can seemingly be police policy (and apparently all across the nation) that a knife wielding suspect is in the same “threat” category as a gun wielding one.
In my humble opinion, a police officer who isn’t willing to subject him/herself to the personal dangers associated with making a difficult arrest shouldn’t be a police officer. I’m old enough to remember police officers wading into bar fights with people armed with clubs, chairs poles (and probably knives in some combatants clothing) without feeling the need to pull their service weapons and start shooting people. And that sort of melee is a lot more of a threat to a police officer in a whole bunch of ways than a suspect out in the open with the officer capable of open movement and a drawn weapon.
I guess I really don’t understand why someone has to die for being stupid enough to brandish a knife at a police officer.
Though counter-intuitive, a knife is more likely to penetrate a bullet resistant vest than a gunshot. Generally, a police officer will be justified in shooting a suspect who is approaching him — or a civilian — with a knife. He won’t shoot someone just standing there holding a knife. It is within the officer’s discretion on the scene.
An attack with a knife, or a club or chair, would be considered a deadly-force attack, and that’s been true since I was a kid (many years ago).
@ Peter
And exactly none of your response answers the question except apparently you believe a police officer should have the discretion to kill another human being because he is approaching him with a knife.
Funny though, British police and almost every European nation deals with knife wielding suspects all the time and they don’t feel compelled to shoot them at the rate US police officer do. Is it that they are less cowardly than their American counterparts or is it function of different values, training and policy do you think?
And I don’t know what you experienced as a kid or where, but I can tell you for a fact on more than one occasion I’ve seen Oregon police officers wade into bar fights where people were wielding clubs and chairs and nobody got shot. Now maybe you live in a different place in America but I can’t think of a single instance in my 50 years in Oregon that a police officer has ever shot anybody wielding a club or a chair.
Less than 1% of British police carry guns. That’s true in some, but not all, European countries.
Police routinely deal with attackers with knives without shooting; it depends on a myriad of circumstances. Same for bats, chairs, whatever. But, if a police officer feels he is at great risk of death or serious injury, or if a member of the public is at risk of death or injury, he may shoot a person, armed or not. Generally, shooting someone is the last thing a cop wants to do; sometimes it is the only way to deal with a particular situation.
I’m not aware of statistics of officer-involved shootings in Europe (among armed officers) versus the US. Do you know of any? (I’m not being snarky, I’d truly like the data if you have it.)
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-kill-citizens-70-times-rate-first-world-nations/
The US is #1 at this, and incarceration rates as well.
Thank you. That’s very interesting.
@Peter-yes an officer may shoot at any person armed or not but that officer has to be put on trial to prove it was a justified shooting. You and I would be put on trial if it was us that shot at a person.
Police are subject to the same potential for trial as anyone else, and also subject to investigation by their department. They can be disciplined or fired administratively; they can be tried in court. Whether someone, police or not, is tried depends on the circumstances. If you kicked in my door and charged at me with a machete, and I shot you in front of 10 witnesses, likely I wouldn’t be tried.
You can’t seriously believe the same standards are applied in practice.
I think the standards vary, from place to place and from time to time. It depends on the discretion of a number of different people in each case.
Justice is not perfect — OJ Simpson went free. Until somebody finds a better system, we are stuck with this, admittedly imperfect, one.
In the case of a suspect with a knife, that’s what the taser was designed to be used for. An alternative to deadly force. They didn’t need to shot him dead, they could of tasered him.
Indeed.
Where was the officer’s Taser?
I want to see the video. See if it matches the police version of events. I think the timing of this killing, and the vote on the “Freedom act” was pretty interesting. Not trying to be a conspiracy guy, but what better way to illustrate the surveillance powers the FBI supposedly need. Then to take down a bad guy they had been watching.
Since they have the contents of his calls, or at least one, that takes it out of Patriot Act territory. They’d need a warrant, either from FISA court or a Federal or state court.
Fisa court is the definition of a rubber stamp. They’ve approved 99.9% of all search warrants requested since it’s founding. Fisa court is a joke.
Timing is everything, just as we found out when anthrax (domestic of course, as it turned out) was delivered to two senators likely to oppose the USA Patriot Act. Anthrax made everything go smoothly with the war on Iraq too, because how could you oppose someone who had attacked your country with his vast stores of it, while he had stockpiled so many more biological weapons.
Now we see that terror has twice visited Boston. Muslim terror. Since the first time was very problematic and a lot of people doubt it, and the trial of Tsarnaev is over so not much reminder factor there, here is a new one to hyperventilate about. Boston stands firm against reason. It isn’t the first time. And just think what it does to supply Democrat talking points against Rand Paul should he dare to run against someone like Hillary. She’d remind us of Boston, and her supporters here will too. It’s good that we are watched so carefully, don’t you think, since any of us could be turned into a terrorist jihadi. They keep us safe from ourselves.
“A Boston man fatally shot by police after he waved a knife at officers was not on the phone at the time of the shooting and was not shot in the back, as had been reported by a relative, according to clergy and civic leaders who met with authorities Wednesday.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/03/us/boston-police-shooting/index.html
“”What the video does reveal to us very clearly is that the individual was not on the cellphone, the individual was not shot in the back and that the information reported by others that that was the case was inaccurate,” Darnell Williams, president and chief executive of urban league of Eastern Massachusetts, said at a news conference with the police commissioner and other authorities.
Rahim’s brother has posted on social media that the suspect was on the phone with their father Tuesday and was shot three times in the back during the confrontation with police.
Williams said prosecutors want Rahim’s family to see the video before showing to the public”
Well done Peter – you managed to expose the worthless Greenwald-worshiping mindless hive for what it really is, and utterly humiliate them with your calm presentation of the facts. Seeing that now everyone knows that Greenwald’s hysterics in this “article” were woefully misplaced, just as I claimed at the outset, I think we can chalk this down as “Normal People 1 : 0 Jihadi Fellow Travelers”.
Good job LEOs! May your guns always be ready & loaded before you meet Muslim terrorist thugs, and empty after the encounter.
#ShootMuslimTerroristThugsDead
But this isn’t just a case of a cop shooting a person of color. It’s about the trappings of the “War on Terror.”
@ Louis
Should have posted both quotes.
Glenn never claimed the man was shot in the back, the man’s brother did. Glenn was demonstrating proper journalistic balance, and he caveated it quite clearly (Glenn reporting: Rahim’s brother “claimed” . . . and “What actually happened is unclear, and will presumably be clarified by video which police say exists.”) That’s the way it should be done when there are competing claims.
It’s *Louise, you woefully illiterate person.
“Imam Abdullah Faaruuq, speaking for the Muslim community”
Yeah, should have posted some info on that Islamofascist:
http://peaceandtolerance.org/campus/shame-on-neu/123-northeastern-u-s-muslim-chaplain-removed-after-video-exposes-support-for-terrorists
“In what may be the first time a Muslim religious figure was removed from a campus position by a university administration, Boston’s Northeastern University told Imam Abdullah Faaruuq that his services as chaplain for Muslim students were “no longer needed.” This happened just days after we published an expose documenting that Faaruuq is a supporter of convicted Islamist terrorists who is inciting Boston Muslims against the U.S government.”
“In lectures around Boston…he told worshipers not to be afraid to “grab onto the gun and the sword, go out into this world and do your job.”
No doubt a trustworthy witness. He should be a contributor to THE//JIHADI//FELLOW//TRAVELER, lol. Would fit right in with Greenwalds and Hussains and the rest of the riff-raff.
And the fact that the “Muslim community” of Boston has got this sort of man “speaking for” them tells us all we need to know.
Louise, are you as skeptical of a quoted witness if the person in question DOES say things that you like? The other quoted community leader, for instance. Or the police.
@ Louise
Sorry I’ve always assumed your “Louise Cypher” screen name was a play on “Louis Cypher” or Lucifer but you were too illiterate to even get the play on words right. As for the rest of your unhinged rant, please explain why Boston law enforcement sought to include Imam Faaruuq in its little video viewing party, if he’s an “Islamofascist” as you claim and someone who is “inciting Boston Muslims against the US Government”?
If he was in fact actively “inciting” others to commit crimes against anyone, not just the Government, then that is a crime and he could easily be arrested, charged, prosecuted and if warranted by the evidence–convicted. Instead they include them in their little community outreach program–go figure?
And you know what little Louise, assuming Faaruuk said what you attribute to him, then he is no better or no worse than you:
That makes both you and him racist little morons. And fair warning there little buddy, you refer to someone with 7 years of higher education as illiterate again, you’re going to wish you had just ignored my comments because I’ll start making it my mission to giving your comments the extra little scrutiny they deserve instead of just scrolling by them.
“7 years of higher education”
You should ask for your money back, dear.
@ Louise
Without even getting into what I think about the organization “Americans for Peace & Tolerance”, who funds it and what its primary purpose is, the “convicted Islamist terrorists” that Mr Faaruuq is accused of supporting are Aafia Siddiqui and Tarek Mahenna both of whom were prosecuted for actions and/or under very problematic circumstances that lots of non-Muslims and non-“Islamofascists” are/were concerned by.
So does that make them/us supporters of “terrorism” or supporters of a just and evenly applied rule of law that applies to all human beings? I’m guessing I know what your black/white worldview answer will be.
@ Louise
I’m truly going to enjoy humiliating you every chance I get. Dunces like you are low hanging fruit which makes for easy picking.
What’s under disputed is the claim that the guy was a terrorist. You have presented nothing concrete to presume guilt. You assume it because he was Muslim.
Jose, you’re right, this guy is not a terrorist. He’s not even on the JV Isis squad, he’s in the Tee-Ball league. Thankfully this moron delivered the case to the police on a silver platter by talking on the phone the way he did before he can do any harm. So yeah, with a little brains he might have been a terrorist, but thankfully the police put this retard out of his misery.
Thanks but … well, I don’t think any of the people here are Jihadi Felow Travelers. I think this is a biased piece of reportage, lacking sources, and the author did respond in a rather nasty, personal way. But there’s a big difference between that and chopping people’s heads off. I don’t think Mr Greenwald would encourage that; in truth, I think he’d be horrified by it. we all had a disagreement here, and some of it got heated. That’s sort of what freedom is about. I also admit I don’t have the stomach to feel too triumphalist over some poor man’s grave.
“I don’t think any of the people here are Jihadi Felow Travelers”
Stick around. Analyze the positions taken. There’s much more to being a jihadi fellow traveler than advocating head-chopping outright. Advocating implementation of Muslim blasphemy codes in western democracies is also jihadi fellow traveling – and much more dangerous at that. As is persistent denial that there does indeed exist an imperialist radical Muslim project, with world domination as its goal, and with hundreds of thousands of soldiers and many millions of supporters, funders, recruiters and indeed online jihadis fighting in their own way worldwide.
“author did respond in a rather nasty, personal way”
You should have seen him go after Communists back in 2005, like ie here: http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality-of-latin-american-reaction-to.html
You had it easy, lol.
Which absolutely no one here has done, unless you’re thinking of a one-time commenter or something like that. This is a rather secular community.
Advocating implementation of Muslim blasphemy codes is called free speech. I’m not in favor of it, but the way it works is simple — You have exactly the same right to advocate for what you want as you allow your opponent. It works better if everyone gets to say what they want, with few exceptions (you can’t yell ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater, you can’t threaten people). I think the Westboro Baptist people have a right to do what they do, and they are the most hateful, venomous group I’ve ever encountered. Since they’re out in the open, everyone can see what they are.
Fellow travelers! That is brilliant. You are channeling anticommunist crusades of the 1950’s and 60’s! What a big wave to catch for your crowd and how very ironic. In that era, the broad blunderbuss of American credulity managed to reap vast swathes of critical thinkers and talented writers from the scene (the blacklist makers were too scared not to fire these people for their often past anti-fascist affiliations back in the 1930’s). Many of those people were Jews. In fact where I come from, Southern California, being a Jew pretty much made you a suspect. Fast forward to now, and the way Louise wants to fight people who speak up for human dignity and equality before the law as applied to everyone, even Muslims. These are today’s “fellow travelers”. Well, I suppose the lust for power brings out paranoia. An old story with new labels. The kids who are picked on sometimes grow up to be bullies (cf. Pam Geller). It would be comic if it weren’t so destructive. There is greatness in transcendence of one’s own persecution. Perhaps that is why my Jewish husband whose parents were Holocaust survivors has entered into dialog with so many of his Muslim colleagues. Good people always find a way to talk to other good people. Meanwhile, idle FBI agents troll for terrorist sympathies just like in the good old days of J. Edgar Hoover they trolled for commies and gays to ruin. Some people prefer to live in hell I guess. If they can convince someone to go over to the dark side, it is a win. I’d say the outfit has actually gone downhill, and that is a pretty low slide.
Actually it’s more like “Normal People” (i.e. U.S. and it’s cohorts in genocide) killed probably upwards of 2 million Muslims since the sanctions regime of the Clinton through the Drone regime of Obomber. Oh, “they hate us for our freedoms,” as opposed to the say the million or more women and children vanquished under the ISIS-like decapitation abilities of weapons designed and made by oh so “freedom” loving, BMW driving, McMansion-loving Anglos.
#ShootMuslimTerroristThugsDead?
Yeah your ancestors tried that but they got bitch slapped and then got ran over to the ground by god-less-seculars if you remember. You will suffered the same fate as Hitler and Pharaoh before you. Keep justifying your miserable existence by any means possible because your time is coming when you face your self in the mirror and pass out because of disgrace.
Would that this were to pass. Introspection is a rarity these days.
I haven’t seen the videos, and the link you gave down thread was of no use at all since it was a link only to worthless CNN video about nothing more than what this post is about; which is unverified stories told by police to media and then catapulted by that media. Maybe these videos you claim to have seen do exist and are being viewed, but for you to keep saying you’ve seen them, and then pretend to prove it by linking to useless CNN stenography is suspect at best.
Read some of the millions (yes, exaggeration) of stories quoting people who watched the videos. Or are all media liars — and if so, how do you know anyone was actually shot?
Why did you say that lots have seen the videos, and then post to that nothing video from CNN which not only didn’t back up your claim, but made showed you to be incapable of linking to any useful video? Is there something wrong with you? Seriously. If I were making claims about how cute dogs can be and then tried to prove it by linking to a bunch of cat videos, would that not leave you scratching your head about what the hell point I was trying to prove about cute dogs by posting cat videos? Since the time of this interaction with you, I have now read several more comments from you that make no sense at all, and have seen commenter after commenter prove you to be a fool by your own words.
You claimed to have been one of “those millions,” yet you have stated zero evidence that you have seen the videos you have claimed to have seen, much less posted any links to those multiple videos. Whatever happens later regarding all of that won’t change how inept your commenting has been thus far in what is now the second day of this comment thread..
The truth about the extent of this false-propagandizing and demonizing suspects, as so adroitly reported here by Glenn Greenwald, leaves one who faces what’s really going on in this country, like myself, feeling frustrated as to how to possibly counteract it. I mean, how can anyone, short of writing “nothing-but-truth” articles like this one, which most of the American people will never read, possibly counteract this colossal government and media propaganda machine, especially when most of the American people are going to believe the lies of that monstrosity no matter what?! In other words, how can we possibly overcome this ever-increasing increase of mass- control and domination of the thought processes and attitudes of the American populace?? The juggernaut just seems insurmountable. So, what are we to do?? How do we counteract this pervasive and ever-increasing brainwashing, as well as this purposeful stirring up the public’s most base desires for condemnation and revenge; and to so successfully get them to even more thoroughly, and to a larger and larger extent, blindly believe this evil propaganda and thought control, moving them to an ever-larger degree of surrender to the Machiavellian and Orwellian agenda of an increasingly out-of-control, and more and more oppressive and repressive, government?? Will some of you out there please tell me??
Keep trying, Glenn Greenwald and others. I do not mean for this comment to in any way discourage continuing to try and wake up the masses to what is really happening.
“””I do not mean for this comment to in any way discourage continuing to try and wake up the masses…”’
Every man, every man for himself.
Every man, every man for himself.
All in favor say aye.
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This is your Captain-and we are going down.
We are all going down, together.
And I said: Uh oh. This is gonna be some day.
Standby. This is the time.
And this is the record of the time.
This is the time. And this is the record of the time.
I agree that the media should wait for facts to be verified and clear before rushing out with sensationalist stories, but they do it on both sides (and presumably the law enforcement side is going to come under more scrutiny, eventually, because they are law enforcement.) “Hands up don’t shoot” is now an intuition-forming story in the minds of many Americans (it seems to be used at protests, still,) despite the fact that it didn’t actually happen. I don’t think the media are deferential to anyone so much as they are sensationalist and looking for views and clicks, but that works both ways.
I see. So when CNN has a cast of former FBI assistant directors, ATF agents, national security advisors, generals, etc. they are just trying to get people who have knowledge on the subject, not those with a particular well-formed view point. Even my dog knows better than that.
I think you’re mixing analogies and changing the topic here. That said, yes, I still think they’re playing to what sells and what people want to watch.
Peter, how did you see the videos and can you describe what you saw on them, please?
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This is right out of FBI rule book.
Smear and discredit.
Faux media is promoting fear (TSA slipping) in an effort to increase surveillance (social control).
Stingray cell spying.
FBI
Why is it that there is an epidemic in this country of dark-skinned men who menace the heavily armed police by coming at them like the Hulk?
Because that’s what happens to the most “exceptional” people to ever grace God’s green/blue globe when they are conditioned to believe in Manichean comic book fairy tales about themselves and what goes on in their nation. I also think that this is the sort of nation you get when its highest value is “dog-eat-dog” individualism, a love of violence, and elevating unrepentant greed and “property” rights to something greater than “human rights” (or at least the conflation of “human rights” with unfettered right to accumulate and defend “property”).
You are correct, sir!
As my colleague Murtaza Hussain put it: “14 years after 9/11 law enforcement can kill someone in the street, suggest they were part of a ‘terror network’, and media will just move on.” He added: “Apparently all you have to do to defuse outrage over killing someone is apply the gangster or terrorist label to the still-warm dead body.”
With all due respect to Maz, and an acknowledgment that the WaronTerra has raised some terminology to a new level of heinous misapplication, the technique of ‘labeling’ persons killed by the police, justly or unjustly, as members of an outgroup is not new since 9/11 and neither is the response by the media. The authorities have all the advantages in situations like this and they use them shamelessly and aggressively each and every time. If we as a public continue to swallow the pablum – no matter the consistency, texture and ingredients – then shame on us. We should have learned by now to evaluate actual evidence as opposed to being swept up by facile lies and evidence-free assertions supplied to sychophantic press organizations.
Until the public learns to reject fearmongering by the authorities, the list of ‘labels’ to which governmental violence can be applied with little to no justification and/or penalties will continue to get longer. And waiting until one finds that there is always a ‘label’ that can be applied to oneself to have a revelation will be cold comfort indeed.
Good timing. Just what the government needs to scare (pun intended) up support for phone call collection.
Let’s have a hat trick, hmmm? The FBI can manufacture a plot to uncover, in the nick of time, and the CIA can say that some group they trained and armed in the hill country of Middle Eastern country A, B, or C is now fomenting hatred of our freedoms and label them ISIS Part Deux: ISIS on Steroids.
Maybe Dianna Feinstein can use both of these efforts in her next speech about how we are in the Most Dangerous Times Ever.
Seems to provide a good boost for the argument that the authorities need blanket authorization to monitor all electronic communications — particularly “social media” — in order to detect and deter the “evildoers.” The nation’s attention was turned to drama on Capitol HIll over the extension of USA Mass Surveillance Act, so proof was needed of nefarious plots being executed even while lawmakers dawdled over the arcane points of law… I also thought it was odd: this guy was under 24-hour surveillance by authorities. Could he possibly have noticed all the attention? If I were him, I could easily imagine myself becoming a little paranoid, with people following me around all the time… So it’s not really a stretch to imagine him being confronted at the bus stop by unknown, threatening individuals, and responding in a defensive manner. Not with an AK, but a knife(!), which doesn’t really make the grade as a WMD… Then, the police go on to make the claim that this individual and his presumed accomplices were out to “attack” the police… With what? Knives? Only if they had a death wish, suicide-by-proxy style. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny AT ALL, and yet is rushed into the public consciousness, and then immediately superseded by other equally dubious and ludicrous allegations. Just so long as an impression is created, the job is done.
I’m sorry I’ve lost track what number is this for the FBI shooting and killing someone during questioning??
Ah, yes questioning about the Boston bomber – Florida – Yes, Yes , YES lunged across a desk and was shot DEAD… DEAD men tell no tales – remember
bin Laden…..DEAD . . even though both the Taliban and ISI offered him up………convenient
#BlackKnivesMatter
It is peculiar that both Federal as well as local police were approaching this man without any warrant, given that they claim they had been monitoring him for years, knew he was very dangerous, and thought him imminently about to attack.
With the knife present, it seems likely that the shooting was ultimately justified, however, it also seems likely that the police are trying to conceal aspects of the situation fo some reason.
Greenwald is also absolutely right that national media basically acted credulous in this matter.
I like that the article questions whether the officers were in uniform. That makes a big difference. If they were not in uniform (i.e., they were undercover), maybe the guy thought he was being robbed?
Or then again, maybe the guy was actually was a wannabe jihadist who pulled the knife out to try to stab uniformed officers? I am withholding judgement on this until I found out details like whether or not the officers / agents who approached him were uniformed or undercover.
If they weren’t in uniform, it’s a whole new ballgame. Was there a language barrier as well? This doesn’t change the content of the article at all, but it will be interesting to see how the details come out ….
As soon as as I saw the “ISIS inspired” bullshit I figured that the police had been monitoring yer another hopeless nobody wannabee and had in the form of a knife actually had a legit excuse to gun one down.
I tweeted this as well, but wanted to share it here too: if police alleged he was a drug dealer rather than a terrorist, wouldn’t this be like the Michael Brown/Eric Garner/Freddie Gray killings? #BlackLivesMatter
I am not disagreeing with your point with the following comment, but I am looking at the subtleties of it:
The difference is that some of those guys ( Michael Brown/Eric Garner/Freddie Gray killings) were alleged to have committed crimes that were so minor that they might have been misdemeanors. So to die for a crime where your punishment should have been a 100 dollar fine is crazy. Terrorism is a whole different ball game. However, the guy in this story was apparently a terror suspect, but that doesn’t mean that he was a terrorist. There is a big difference. And as Glenn Greenwald rightly points out, no one in the media seems to be making that distinction. Perhaps he went to a jihadi web site and the government targeted him for surveillance? But if he never actually planned any terrorism acts then he wasn’t a terrorist, just a suspect. And if he was shot dead trying to defend himself from what he perceived as a robbery (if the officers were not in uniform – we don’t know yet if they were or not) then the guy’s family has a nice lawsuit on their hands. So if that is the case, then I would say that he is like the other guys you mentioned. But if the officers were in uniform and he pulled the knife to try to kill the officers, then he is different than Michael Brown/Eric Garner/Freddie Gray because he then would have been armed and dangerous. I guess the details will emerge.
Agreed. That said, it’s important to remember another aspect of the #BlackLivesMatter movement: even when there *is* evidence of wrong-doing by the victim of a shooting, there’s the question of whether the situation would have turned lethal if the suspect was White. The way police approach suspects does seem to be based, in part, by prejudices individual officers have about race, ethnicity, and religions.
Related to this point, Darnell Williams, head of the Urban League of Eastern Massachusetts and Imam Abdullah Farooq both have seen the video and said, while they agree he was not shot in the back, they’re not ready to say the shooting was justified, because it’s not clear from the video that lethal force was necessary. See here: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/06/03/us/ap-us-under-surveillance-shot-by-authorities.html?_r=0
There appears to be an implicit threat that if you attempt to learn the other side of “militant Islam” argument, you may be watched, denied air travel and apparently shot on the street. I dare not try and find out first hand what exactly are terrorist saying.
Well, Glenn’s last article showed how at least some terrorists have been saying they were never more frightened than now, so there’s that. ;^)
Good point. The police never lie to justify their violence, and Muslims are never wrongfully smeared as Terrorists. So only the most deranged conspiracists would do anything but click their heels and uncritically accept these claims when made by our infallible authorities.
Yes, exactly as Stephen Colbert pointed out in 2006 to the White House press corps, “actual journalism” means writing down what authorities say and then publishing it:
Oh please, that Boston Globe piece is comprehensive and fair, with multiple sources, including the now discredited brother of the deceased. Reporting since then has only validated the police claims.
Expect BPD will create whatever weak “ISIS link” they can between Rahim and anyone who knew him. If history is any guide, BPD will go to extremes to justify their initial allegations. So, I would caution Rahim’s friends and family to be very, very careful. Because if they can’t “spin” you, I’d be fearful that they’d simply kill you. It’s not like Boston hasn’t had a previous demonstration of the same.
I got on recording that a julie edwards and jeffery johnson want to drive me into suicide. You tube acc. Stephen brock with 11 videos and corina 0 13. @ minute 4 and seconds 50.
You can hear julie say “if he dies it is not r problem”
There is a total of 3 times they say that they want to drive me into suicide on the tape.
Of course, this occurred almost simultaneously with the passing of the USA Freedom Act about which, as was reported on yesterday, there was screaming hysteria on the part of the fearmongers that we would all likely die a horrible death if it wasn’t passed immediately. Coincidence?
No, I really don’t think it is a coincidence – at least the way the police are spinning the badness of the man they shot. It’s good publicity for our authoritarian system these days. Never let a crisis go to waste. Look at what all the surveillance reaped! Something apparently we can no longer do without.
Another hysterical rant from Mr I-Hate-Police-And-They-Are-always-Lying. Greeenwald bemoans the unnamed sources quoted by the “smearing” media; unfortunately, Greenwald has no sources. Every witness who has been interviewed corroborates the account in the media. It’s also on multiple videos.BPD and FBI asked to speak to the man; he pulled a large knife; they backed up and tried to talk him into putting down the knife, while clearing civilians out of harm’s way, they backed away from him; he came at them repeatedly as they backed away and eventually they shot him. That’s what several videos and multiple witnesses say.
Logically, if the FBI wanted to talk to him, they probably were investigating him. I don’t think they picked his name out of a hat that morning. And, you don’t need a warrant to ask to talk to someone standing on a public street.
As to “rampant, unjustified police shootings,” maybe a little advice would help: If you try to take a police officer’s gun away from him, he may shoot you. If you physically resist police arresting you, they mey shoot you. If you pull out a knife and advanced on police, they may shoot you. And it’s your fault. If Mr Greenwald can’t understand that, that’s really not the media’s fault. It’s a result of his hatred for the police and the government.
I really don’t know what to do about utter illiteracy among readers. You basically can’t do anything about it.
I didn’t say that police version was untrue. I specifically said I wasn’t saying that. Whether that version of events is true or false has nothing to do with the point of this article. Yet your brain couldn’t process this simple point. How come?
Also, you have multiple false claims: first, I do have sources whom I interviewed and on which an article will be based; second, you haven’t seen the video, so you have no idea what’s on it, nor have you heard from these supposedly multiple witnesses; and third, nothing that you’ve cited, even if it existed as you described, confirms anything about whether he’s an ISIS operative in the process of perpetrating a plot, which happens to be the point of this article.
Here we get to heart of the matter: you’re a mindless, dangerous authoritarian, assuming that anyone the police don’t like must be a Bad Person. You don’t need a trial, or even evidence. Your blind, religious-like faith in law enforcement – both their competence and integrity – are all you need. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire – especially if the burning person is black or Muslim or – even better – both.
Not to mention they’ve already done studies on the way the brain works in regards to new information and “correcting the record”. The first reporting on these events has a tendency to concretize in viewers’ minds, and it’s very difficult to change some of those perceptions. If the suspect in this case is cleared or even more likely, the case is very complex and deliberately muddled by the state because of the circumstances now, there is no way in hell that most of the people who have seen this reporting will ever believe anything OTHER than that he was a radical jihadist. That’s the first story out of the gate, and now that he’s dead, killed by the state, they will fight tooth and nail to maintain that narrative. Also, too, Peter is an illiterate authoritarian and should read Altemeyer’s The Authoritarians while looking in the mirror…….
Thanks for the ad hominem — that usually means you have nothing better than a personal attack.
You certainly imply that the police story is untrue — “smear their victim,” “smearing party,” “descent into hysteria and recklessness.” Those clearly imply that the story from police is untrue.
You have sources, but you don’t name them. Or even say you have them. Sorry, can’t read your mind.
Actually, I have seen 2 of the videos, so I do have an idea what’s on them. Also, several of the witnesses have been on local media, so i have heard what they have said. I didn’t say any of this proves he’s perpetrating a plot; but, if someone makes a number of statements, and all of them subject to verification are true, without contrary evidence it’s kind of stupid to claim the one not subject to verification is true.
Again, thanks for the personal attack. Do you know me? Please explain how you know I am a “mindless, dangerous authoritarian,” or that I “assume that anyone the police don’t like must be a bad person.” I just said that if an FBI agent and a BPD officer went to Roslindale at 7am to talk to this man, they were probably investigating him.
So, perhaps you could name your sources and provide some evidence that what the police said was not true. Then people will listen to you. and perhaps, you could stop attacking the intelligence, character, and integrity of those who disagree with you.
Do you have links to post?
Do you have links to post?
Sorry, as far as I know (and I haven’t tried to find them) none of the videos have been put online. Witnesses on local media may be posted to the station’s website, but I haven’t checked.
@ Peter
Well how is it that you’ve seen 2 videos that are not available on the internet? Were they shown by one of Boston networks and you viewed them live?
Absent clarity regarding how you came to view videos that no one else seems capable of viewing, one has to wonder who you are, how you came to view these videos, or alternatively that you are lying about having viewed said videos.
Does ‘Peter’ work for BPD or FBI? Those are the only folks who would have access to video that’s not been publicly released.
@ Nuf Said
BPD, FBI or (possibly) state or federal Department of Justice (and/or theoretically county DA’s office) employee seems like the only ones who could have viewed the unreleased videos.
But if Peter is on the payroll of one of those agencies I wonder why he’s here at all? Given his grammar and spelling I can’t imagine he’s an attorney, legal assistant or paralegal in the employ of any of the above. And generally the legal departments don’t show those sorts of video to everybody in the office anyway. So I’m guessing BPD or he’s lying.
Of course no one else could watch them except LEOs. Except perhaps the clergymen and other community leaders who watched them today. You know, the ones who every news outlet is interviewing and quoting as having seen the videos. and, since I’ve been told it isn’t tru unless it’s online, here’s a link. http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/us/boston-police-shooting/index.html
If you don’t like CNN, try Reuters, BBC, AP, whoever. So, anybody want to say “Gee, I guess maybe people who aren’t cops have seen the video?”
@ Peter
The question was “how is it that Peter has seen videos”? You could have clearly stated you work for Urban League or were one of the of clergy members invited to see the videos if that was the case.
Personally, I think Glenn was a little harsh with you, but then again you did accuse him of something inaccurate “Mr I-Hate-Police-And-They-Are-always-Lying.”
Glenn’s piece was quite clearly a critique of mainstream media, which is a longstanding topic of his (and rightly so IMHO), for its uncritical stenography and character assassination of anyone suspected of a crime.
I know this will come as a surprise to you, but they is a long history of suspicion of law enforcement in this nation. A reasonable suspicion not born of hysterics, but born of their longstanding and factually established track record of unwarranted violence against civilians. So you can see why someone, particularly Glenn, might find it important that the mainstream media not uncritically catapult every unsupported claim made by anonymous law enforcement officials–as a matter of journalistic integrity.
I could have said that, but generally when you have that opportunity, you are asked not to release information — a story is embargoed until a particular time.
And yes, I did call him that. I believe it’s accurate. Take this story as an example. He accuses police sources of “smearing Rahim.” They did this by — truthfully answering questions about a man killed by police. That’s standard procedure, so people won’t scream coverup.
He then questions why the suspect wasn’t arrested, as if there is never any justification for questioning someone without arresting them. Next, he presents the events leading up to and including the shooting as if the poor innocent man was assassinated, when there was, at the time he wrote the piece, a good deal of evidence from non-police sources that it happened exactly as described by police.
Finally, he mercilessly attacks the use of unnamed sources, while not only not naming a source, but not even claiming to have one.
Look over all of the stories he has written — there’s plenty online. Find an example where he has ever not claimed or implied that the government, especially the police, were lying. No one, I think, would claim that the police are perfect, or always tell the truth. But follow out the story — in the end, how often is it the police lying, and how often is Mr Greenwald wrong? and when has he ever admitted he was wrong. He reminds me of Al Sharpton (and I can call him Al cause he likes me and I like him, personally) and Tawana Brawley.
@ Peter
Well we’ll have to agree to disagree about your characterization of Glenn’s piece today and generally over time. And I’m probably a little more familiar with Glenn’s work than you are given some of us have been reading it since he began writing.
And in my humble estimation, over the period that Glenn has been writing, he has been wrong an order of magnitude less often than the police are demonstrated to have been lying in this nation. Which is not to say police always lie.
Would you care to hazard a guess how much even one major city in America pays out to civilian plaintiff’s in damages or settlements for the unjustifiable/illegal actions of police officers in a given year?
Trust me, as an attorney, the city doesn’t pay “nuisance suit” payments to plaintiff’s for claims lacking merit, they dispense with them in motion practice or take them to trial.
Better yet, if you think the police are so trustworthy, and given the amount of money government’s are paying out all over this nation every day to wronged plaintiff’s, when was the last time you saw any police department ever publically admit a police officer was lying? Or even that they had serious doubts about the propriety of an officer’s conduct in any given instance? I’ll tell you when–never. It is only after the legal system has established an officer has done something illegal that the police department will dismiss them and they will never go out publically and take ownership or responsibility for the actions of the police officer except in the most anodyne way “made a mistake, did not act consistent with our values, was one bad apple.” And that’s simply not true–officer’s in this country by and large conduct themselves consistent with policy and their training, and those policies and training need a serious overhaul in a lot of people’s opinions from average citizen to people who have spent their lifetime studying police practices to lawyers who spend their careers trying to hold bad police officers and departments accountable.
Have any idea how many police departments in this nation a currently under Federal consent decrees or oversight to reform their practices and policies? I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t just a few and it includes my home city of Portland, Oregon.
Care to elaborate? It appears no videos have been released.
Sorry, I can’t seem to reply directly to nuf said or rrheard, so I’ll answer here.
I’m not a law enforcement officer (that way I don’t have to list every police group I don’t work for). I’m not a civilian employee, a contractor, I don’t work for any organization that works for any law enforcement organization> Is that clear and definitive enough?
There are lots of video cameras out there — on private businesses, on bus benches, in peoples’ hands (think cellphones). Many business video cameras are recorded off-site, especially national chains or financial institutions. People who have video of an important — or even not-so-important event — like to share it, with media outlets, lawyers, friends, neighbors, random strangers.Not everything has to be online to be seen.
And, it would be particularly stupid to describe what was on a video without seeing it, especially since all the videos, including the JTT surveillance video, will be public soon enough. And I am illiterate and authoritarian, tribal and, possibly, Zionist, but, in the words of Izzy stone “I ain’t stupid, at least that way.”
@ Peter
Okay fair, clear and definitive enough. I didn’t consider the last possibility–someone with access to private security camera footage or access to cellphone footage shot by witness(es).
So either you work for a private business that for whatever reason captured this encounter on video and viewed that video and/or you’ve viewed someone’s cell phone footage?
So I’m a little curious what you do that you claimed to have seen “2 videos”? Do you work in an industry that routinely shares videos among different entities, otherwise how could you have seen 2 different videos captured by private sector video surveillance? Or is it that you work in an industry, say security for some private sector entity, and in conjunction with those duties have/had an opportunity to interview and or view witnesses’ cell phone footage?
@ Peter
By “JTT surveillance video” do you mean FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force (FBI JTTF) surveillance footage?
Now it’s public — lots of people have seen the videos.
What did they show? A man made a bad choice, and he was killed for that bad choice.
@ Peter
Well according to the NYT and a couple of people they interviewed (Urban League member and clergy member) who said the video was not high quality, that they could say unequivocally only that it shows he was not shot in the back as the brother claimed, but they continued to have concerns about whether shooting him to death was necessary or justified.
I guess who should pray no one you love ever makes a split second bad decision near the police (i.e. apparently judge, jury and executioner in this country now) and/or that the police officer or FBI agent decides any perceived threat to him/herself warrants dispensing with a tricky or dangerous arrest and subsequent due process of law.
If you charge at a cop with a 10″ commando knife, they’re going to shoot you. They want to go home at the end of the day, too. Sometimes one bad decision has permanent consequences, and that’s too bad. Nobody enjoys a man being shot down in the street.
As with all shootings, plane crashes, bar fights, etc. there is an irrational segment of time right after the incident. About all we know is that we do not know very much. All of us get information hungry when such killings take place. We want to know immediately what happened. Chaos nearly always reigns in the wake of such a killing. It will take time to sort out what only three men know, and one of those men is dead. Police and other law enforcement officials should be held to a higher standard when it comes to releasing such information, as should the press. These professionals are very aware initial accounts and anonymous sources are too untrustworthy so early in the course of an investigation. It is important to consider their motives as well.
“It wasn’t at a bus stop and he wasn’t shot in the back,” he said. [Abdullah Faaruuq of the Mosque for the Praising of Allah] “However, we couldn’t see clearly at all exactly to answer the question whether he was brandishing a knife or not. It was like 1/20th of the overall frame. It was very far away. So we can’t be clear as to what transpired,’’ he said. These quotes are from the Boston Globe.
So the video seems to be able to clear some things up, but not everything. Another man, David Wright, will evidently, be arraigned in court this afternoon. So maybe there will be something officials can actually put on the record regarding this shooting.
Let’s wait until we have some clear evidence about the motives and actions of the three men involved before we make unwarranted assumptions. By the way, the Boston Globe still has the machete description on its website. At least is was there at about 3:40 pm.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/06/03/law-enforcement-officials-screen-surveillance-video-rahim-shooting-for-clergy-activists/UqWT30aSepJxl6vU9LmzFO/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed
“there is” not “they is” . . . sorry for the typo.
There is that silver tipped tongue! I still think your response could have been sharper. I feel you held back when you shouldn’t have. Where is Cindy who commented yesterday that she wanted to see your mastery of the english written language used in this fashion more, I think she would enjoy it……….. I did!
I am a complete fucking idiot! My 03 Jun 2015 at 12:00 pm comment was about Glen Greenwald’s response to the 10:35 am comment from Peter “the mindless, dangerous authoritarian” but my comment was posted under Peter’s and it appears to be supporting Peter when I’m not.
Peter, Glen’s analysis of you isn’t an attack its an identifier just like if I told you your head is up your ass.
Thanks for clearing that up. Being illiterate, I might have been confused. (But wait, if I’m illiterate, I can’t be reading this. And I can’t be writing this. That’s kind of the definition of illiteracy.)
Thanks for the ad hominem, and for not bothering to even try to refute anything I said. Very impressive debating style.
@Peter-You claimed that this piece of work by Glenn Greenwald is “another hysterical rant” when its clearly not. Glenn is identifying how the mainstream media is brainwashing people into a mindless state, just like whats happened to you. Every person has rights that are secure, honored, respected at all times but there are few exceptions and being muslim is NOT one of them nor is being an employee of any level or branch of government nor are criminals. A theatre of war is an exception to some degree. A person in possession of a weapon could be considered a combatant and justifiably killed and/or injured and/or captured and confined/restricted. Is Boston a theatre of war? Was the military involved? If the answer is no than by default members of law enforcement should believe that every person has a weapon. The 2nd amendment is one of those inalienable rights. Mr Rahim had a right to defend himself even from law enforcement. Those law enforcement members involved in this tragedy should be put on trial because thats the role of our government. It, the government, in form and function secures our inalienable rights and putting those who infringe on peoples rights on a public trial is one way it secures our inalienable rights. It appears Mr Rahim displayed the knife to no one else other than those officers involved. Just like any reasonable person would have done when in fear. If the officers fired their weapons to stop Mr Rahim from injuring bystanders than thats a different story but that has to be determined during trial not by a journalist or you. With Mr Rahim dead its impossible to truly determine that fact because there will be no trial of any kind.
The current law enforcement culture is kicking ass and gun play and if those officers truly wanted to just talk they would have made more of an effort to do just that. After 2 years of surveillance what would they need to talk about with a group of officers and why was there no arrest warrant? Its reasonable to conclude that a simple conversation needs just 2 people. In this case Mr Rahim and one officer. Why the group and why no warrant?
I apologize for spelling your name with one N Glenn.
Mr Ferro, I’m not brainwashed. Trust me on that. The Second Amendment, even for the most ardent gun rights supporter, says nothing about knives, or about attacking other people. In this country, everyone has a right to defend themselves against attack. You do not lose your rights when you become a police officer. When a man charges at you with a knife, you are justified in using deadly force to defend yourself. Mr Rahim had not been attacked or threatened. The officers didn’t draw their weapons until after he pulled out the knife and approached them. Even then, they backed away and tried to talk him into putting down the knife.
The police are allowed to try to talk to someone without a warrant — you, me, anybody. And, if they do, you have the right to refuse to talk to them. Just say “I don’t want to talk to you.” You don’t have the right to try to attack them. Generally, if police speak with someone suspected of a crime, there will be at least 2 officers present, unless the interview is recorded.
You shouldn’t kill other peoples’ sock puppets. I don’t think you like it when other people kill your sock puppets.
But honestly, I don’t know why Peter even bothers with the subterfuge. So obvious, even a mile away.
Greenwald:
Yes, he’s a cop worshipper with an authoritarian personality, probably tribalism, too. And yes, he ignored the whole point of your article, mindlessly.
Dont waste your time talking to those sorts? There is nothing to be gained –
When people make the connection that Zionists hate our freedom,back every freedom stealing and war making act we do,there might be a chance we can stop this horsesh*t.
Never bring a knife to a gunfight might be the sad requiem.
Nice to know Mr Greenwald has some DittoHeads, too. Mr Limbaugh shouldn’t have all the sycophants.
Peter, after you read Altemeyer, take some time to review the important work that lends its name to the “Dunning-Kruger” effect.
Nice to know Mr Greenwald has some DittoHeads, too. Mr Limbaugh shouldn’t have all the sycophants. — Peter 12:45pm
Thanks for the ad hominem — that usually means you have nothing better than a personal attack. — Peter 11:52am
Pot…kettle….somethingsomething.
When someone simply parrots back an ad hom attack, adds a little vitriol, and gives his hero an attaboy, that’s the behavior of Rush’s DittoHeads. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to point it out, and I thought the shorthand would be clear. Now I’ve made it explicit.
Isn’t it disingenuous to say you aren’t denying the police version when you accuse them of “smearing” the “victim”? Your writing quite blatantly implies that you don’t believe the police version at all.
Police could be telling the truth, but in past they have been caught in some very serious lies.
Muslims are often investigated and monitored for being Muslim. Is there concrete evidence that there was more to it in this case?
I have no idea whether he was a terrorist or not. That wasn’t my point. The cops said they went there to talk to him, and that he was under surveillance for terrorist activities. My point was that, clearly, those are true statements.
All Americans are under surveillance for ‘possible’ terrorist activities.
By your logic all cop shootings are justified because ‘they’ are investigating possible terror acts.
I agree you are not illiterate, Peter; it appears comprehension is tripping you up.
To be fair to GG, I think he (and I) used the term “illiterate” in a more figurative way as you suggest … seeing as Peter couldn’t understand the article that he apparently read.
You admit that. The media, however, have basically labeled him a terrorist.
You also don’t know that, do you? He seems to have been under surveillance. For what reason? Well, he was Muslim. Maybe he did follow the ISIS Twitter/Facebook account. There’s really nothing else that we know of. And the thing is, if there were, even if sensitive, it would’ve been leaked and reported. See, Glenn’s not crazy to be suspicious. There’s a pattern that anyone who follows these types of events is familiar with.
Exactly. Who in this great nation is NOT under surveillance?
I make the assumption that when someone is under major surveillance by the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and that one member (I don’t know whether the BPD officer was attached) goes to question you, that you are being surveilled for some connection to terrorist activities. I don’t have any knowledge of why they were interested in him, or whether he was a horrible terrorist or the nicest man in the world. Whether they were justified in following him, I have no way of knowing. I was just saying that the statement ‘he was under surveillance for terrorist activities’ was true, not whether the surveillance was justified.
@Peter: Your assumption is unjustified. Like I said, maybe the worst thing the guy did was to follow ISIS in social media, and who knows for what reason. That could’ve been enough for the guy to get the attention of the JTTF. What I’m saying is not far-fetched at all. But even though we don’t know more than that, the media has labeled the guy a terrorist, because of some anonymous accusations they heard. And you seem to be OK with it. Such trust in establishment narratives and anonymous evidence-free police accusations is indeed authoritarianism.
I make the assumption…
I don’t have any knowledge…
I was just saying that the statement ‘he was under surveillance for terrorist activities’ was true,…
I think it’s not a huge leap of faith to say that someone under 24 hour surveillance by the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Boston is suspected of some connection to terrorism. If you think that’s unjustified, do you have a better reason for the surveillance? I didn’t posit any reason for the suspicion, or defend it. and you don’t seem to provide any other reason for it. So, it’s called a strawman argument, and it doesn’t help you.
I just justified that assumption, again, and I await a better explanation.
I don’t know why they were interested … Right, and that’s irrelevant to the question of whether they told the truth when they said they were investigating him.
Right. The police told the truth, QED. That was my point.
Isn’t it true that we are all under surveillance these days?
I like to assume innocence until proven otherwise. Evidence must be provided and if possible supported to validate guilt. There has been no evidence released supporting media claims. A responsible report would simply have announced that local and federal authorities had to shoot a suspect that had been under investigation after he reportedly made threatening advances when he was approached for questioning.
Note to self: DO NOT pull out a knife of any color, shape or size when law enforcement approaches.
Note to self: The police can claim literally anything – including “he had a machete”, “he had a military-style knife”, “he lunged for my gun” – and they will be 100% believed by millions of Americans.
Victims are only as innocent as the police & media say they are.
Great way to go through life.
While I generally agree with your comment … I don’t have any problems believing the cops dropped that knife right beside the corpse after the fact. Happens all the time and has forever. Even reading the reporting, you have to believe that he was on the phone with his father and waving the knife around when he was shot. Even that seems very weird to me.
I don’t have any problems believing the cops dropped that knife right beside the corpse after the fact. Happens all the time and has forever.
http://www.thepopjar.com/fail/does-this-slow-motion-video-show-officer-michael-slager-planting-taser-next-to-shooting-victim/
Also, this (remove the asterisk at front of link and paste into browser):
*http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754.html
Good materials, thanks.
But also, keep in mind that you can be killed by a cop even if unarmed.
In the circumstances, it is possible he simply had a knife, not that he pulled it on them (a suicidal move in the circumstances, which no sensible street-smart person would do). We do not know if police were in uniform. What if they came onto him in civilian clothing and threatened his life? Undercover cops could have intimidated him, insulted him, whatever, in order to justify killing him. After all, they have made an example of him in many ways. We too are to see what happened to him for his social media history. We too are under surveillance in this society. They have justified it on the basis that they are protecting us from terror, and from just such terrorists as these. And the media have passed on the warning to a larger audience so that we will embrace our chains more tightly and thank our masters.
The real terrorists are uniformed.
You are setting the bar pretty high, aren’t you, expecting a rational discussion from our mainstream media? Hope such discussions can help shame some of the journalists who try to report the news fairly, rather than fairly try to report news.
The “journalistic” genre “Glenn Greenwald on Terrorism” is always worth a read if you need a chuckle. The now already trademark hysterics about the supposed never-ending Government conspiracies to smear good Muslims, and the toddler-level temper tantrums about the fact that Law Enforcement doesn’t either have or is prepared to share all the details of these very real and very deadly Muslim terrorist plots with the press, are worth every penny.
If you, however, want some *actual journalism* on this Muslim terrorist plot to capture and behead a policeman, which was thankfully stopped on time, go here:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/06/03/everett-man-face-charges-connected-with-tuesday-shooting-roslindale/A4GN3KGxekIvQG4JljKMUP/story.html
Every person in the united states has easy access to all the materials necessary to create an explosive device. Every. Single. One. And they can do it by themselves, without assistance from others and being part of some scary sounding “sleeper cell.”
And yet there are not daily attacks on the United States. Terrorism is simply the current tool used to get you to give up your rights and keep certain people rich and powerful.
The ideology of capitalism has resulted in more deaths in the past 15 years than the ideology of radical islam.
You revel in swallowing the organ whole and choking on it until you turn purple. Now, go to your closet quickly and hide. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00.
Where have I heard something like this before? Oh, I remember, prior to the Iraq war.
See, Louise, claiming to have secret evidence is equivalent to having no evidence. That’s how such claims need to be treated in rational discourse. And it just happens that such claims typically turn out to be bogus.
Glenn made an excellent observation that no one has addressed:
It appears he only became a suspect of interest after he got shot.
This shooting seems like a suicide-by-cop situation more than anything.
Louise, I read your link. What is it I’m supposed to be seeing? All that’s there is more of the same: Officials decline to state what evidence they have, they refuse comment on most questions, etc.
I just can’t wait for the Class A botoxic former UK MP now @ NYC, Louise Mensch, to unmask herself,
so I endeavor to do so in her stead. Louise Cypher, wanna assure me I’ve got it badly wrong?