Third in a series. Part 1 here; Part 2 here.
When it comes to the National Security Agency’s recently disclosed use of automated speech recognition technology to search, index and transcribe voice communications, people in the United States may well be asking: But are they transcribing my phone calls?
The answer is maybe.
A clear-cut answer is elusive because documents in the Snowden archive describe the capability to turn speech into text, but not the extent of its use — and the U.S. intelligence community refuses to answer even the most basic questions on the topic.
Asked about the application of speech-to-text to conversations including Americans, Robert Litt, general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, said at a Capitol Hill event in May that the NSA has “all sorts of technical capabilities” and that they are all used in a lawful manner.
“I’m not specifically acknowledging or denying the existence of any particular capability,” he said. “I’m only saying that the focus needs to be on what are the authorities the NSA is using, and what are the protections around the execution of those authorities?”
So what are those authorities? And what are the protections around their execution?
Litt wouldn’t say. But thanks to previous explorations of the Snowden archive and some documents released by the Obama administration, we know there are four major methods the NSA uses to get access to phone calls involving Americans — and only one of them technically precludes the use of speech recognition.
The only surveillance program we know does not involve speech-to-text processing is the bulk collection of metadata of domestic phone calls, commonly known as 215 collection, after the section of the Patriot Act that the NSA says makes it legal.
U.S. officials have unequivocally denied that they get any access to any content through the 215 program — information about the calls, yes, but no actual calls. So no voice means no transcripts.
As it happens, that’s also the one program that Congress has decided to eliminate in its current form. But many other far more invasive programs, many of which sweep up American content including voice communications, remain untouched.
Voice communications have been and continue to be widely intercepted and collected under both programs the NSA considers authorized by section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
The two 702 programs are called PRISM and Upstream. You may recall this slide from an earlier story:
PRISM collects hundreds of millions of Internet communications (text and video, as well as voice) of “targeted individuals” from providers such as Facebook, Yahoo and Skype. But plenty of ordinary people speak to those “targets.” Those “targets” are not necessarily targeted for good reason. And the system picks up additional “incidental” communications it wasn’t technically looking for.
As a result, an unknown but not inconsiderable amount of voice communications involving ordinary Americans gets swept up by PRISM and dumped into massive, centralized databases that are widely accessible to U.S. law enforcement agencies.
There is nothing in the Snowden archive that indicates whether or not the NSA applies what it calls “human language technologies” to these huge troves of voice data, to index, tag, transcribe and/or search them by keyword. And the NSA will not say. But there’s no technological impediment, given the huge leaps forward in automatic speech recognition.
The 702 program called Upstream takes all sorts of communications, including voice, straight from the major U.S. Internet backbones run by telecommunication companies such as AT&T and Verizon.
Here, text is handled differently from telephone calls. Data in text form is searched in bulk using “selectors” such as email addresses, IP addresses and unique IDs. Any “transaction” (some are big, and some are small) that contains a “selector” is moved to an NSA database for further examination.
By contrast, according to the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB) report on the 702 program, traditional phone calls are collected solely if they are to or from targeted foreign individuals.
But even so: In 2013, the one year we have hard numbers for, the NSA used Upstream to collect phone calls to and from 89,000 targets — many of those calls inevitably involving U.S. persons. And after collection, these calls are dumped into the NSA’s databases, where — although we don’t know for sure — they could be transcribed, indexed, keyword-searched and stored.
An otherwise unalarmist PCLOB report on the 702 program issued this quite striking warning on that topic: “Even though U.S. persons and persons located in the United States are subject to having their telephone conversations collected only when they communicate with a targeted foreigner located abroad, the program nevertheless gains access to numerous personal conversations of U.S. persons that were carried on under an expectation of privacy.”
The PCLOB report made no reference to automated transcription. When asked about the topic, board chairman David Medine told The Intercept that the report contained only information that the intelligence community agreed could be declassified.
Most analyses of Upstream also assume that the NSA considers VoIP calls — voice communications that travel across the Internet — as entitled to the same legal protection as the ever-diminishing number of calls that travel over the old-fashioned telephone circuits. If that’s not the case — and an NSA spokesperson declined to comment on that question — then many more American voice conversations could be subject to collection and processing.
Finally, there is the vast and essentially unconstrained collection of communications that the NSA intercepts abroad, citing its authority under Executive Order 12333. The scope and scale of those programs is massive; in some cases it involves NSA collecting voice communications of entire countries, hacking cell networks, breaking into private data links, and tapping phone and Internet backbones throughout the world.
All the specific examples of the application of speech-to-text processes described in the Snowden documents reviewed by The Intercept appear to have involved intercepts abroad. But surveillance anywhere in the world will inevitably pull in a great deal of voice conversations involving Americans who call, visit or work in the country being surveilled.
The NSA responded to our inquiries with boilerplate: “Regardless of the tool, analytic technique, or technology, NSA always applies rigorous protections designed to safeguard the privacy not only of U.S. persons, but also of foreigners abroad, as directed by the President in January 2014.”
In a now-public October 2011 opinion, former Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court presiding Judge John Bates bitterly complained that for the third time in less than three years, the government had significantly misrepresented the scope of its collection to the secret court.
It wasn’t until 2011, for instance, that the court understood that the government wasn’t just looking at a small cross-section of Upstream data, but was searching through all of it for “selectors” — and was putting into its databases not just discrete, single “transactions” that contained a given selector, but potentially huge “multi-communication transactions.” As a result, the court finally realized, an incalculable number of purely domestic communications were ending up in the NSA’s databases.
Georgetown University Law Center professor Laura Donohue has written that either “the Court was particularly slow, the government had been lying, or the government had made a mistake.”
The Bates opinion explicitly recognized that there might be more epiphanies to come — “that further revelations concerning what NSA has actually acquired through its 702 collection, together with the constant evolution of the Internet, may alter the Court’s analysis at some point in the future.”
Asked at a public event by The Intercept if anyone had ever explicitly advised the court that the NSA was using speech-to-text processing on voice intercepts that were collected by 702 programs, Litt replied: “The FISA court orders specifically dictate what we can do and what we can’t do in conducting collection under 702. You have seen those orders. You know what they say.”
He continued: “The orders also provide what kinds of processing we can do on them. We do what those orders authorize. If the orders authorize it, we’re allowed to do it. If they don’t, we’re not. And it doesn’t matter whether we would use this speech-to-text recognition tools or whether we use 800 monkeys sitting at typewriters.”
But none of the FISA court orders appear to say anything specific about processing. And the ability to turn massive amounts of voice into text raises intense privacy concerns because of the scale involved in the collection. Assigning an analyst (or even a single monkey) to listen in on every international phone call would be impossible. Automatically transcribing them and storing the text in a searchable database is not.
The NSA’s historic mission has been to spy on foreigners, not Americans. So all the surveillance methods mentioned above — with the notable exception of the domestic collection of phone records — come with a phalanx of rules intended to “minimize” the retention and dissemination of information related to U.S. persons.
The rules are explicit, and absolute, and the government’s argument is that they are sufficient to protect Americans’ constitutional rights.
And there is indeed evidence throughout the Snowden archive of how meticulously followed those minimization rules are supposed to be; how analysts are instructed to immediately throw out “U.S. persons” information the instant they recognize it shouldn’t be there; how careful they are supposed to be about providing access to unminimized intelligence gathered under FISA.
But even if you overlook the possibility of illicit searches — for loveint, to look for sexually explicit content, and so on — the NSA’s interpretations of the rules appear to be problematic, and their application inconsistent.
Georgetown Law’s Donohue, for instance, writes that the government “has created a presumption of non-U.S. person status” and “absent evidence to the contrary, assumes that the target is located outside the United States.”
The PCLOB report on 702 programs found that, as regards the rule quoted above, “in practice, this requirement rarely results in actual purging of data.”
A recently declassified report from the Justice Department’s inspector general found that authorities had failed to comply with basic minimization requirements regarding the 215 program — for eight years.
Glenn Greenwald reported in September 2013 that the NSA routinely shares raw, uniminized “Raw Sigint” with Israel, that “includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content.”
And of course there’s no external oversight.
Bob Litt says we shouldn’t worry. But neither he nor anyone else in a position to know will provide the facts that might — or might not — reassure us.
Readers with information or insight into these programs are encouraged to get in touch, either by email, or anonymously via SecureDrop.
Research on the Snowden archive was conducted by Intercept researcher Andrew Fishman.
Photo illustration: Connie Yu; Photos: Getty images(2)
I stopped subscribing to home telephone service in the 1990s after I visited a Canadian government facility in which my employer was installing equipment. I had to visit this facility many times over the years for upgrades, service and installation purposes. These ‘labs’ were doing research on voice – text techniques, as was Bell Telephone laboratories in Ottawa. The telephone company uses were more benign – they wanted to eliminate Information Operators!
I also travelled a lot therefore a home telephone was redundant.
These days I have a Samsung Note that only connects to specific WiFi hubs and a MESH radio system. In fact, SMS/TEXT messaging is so more convenient and, with encryption, confidential.
Governments use voice analysis/identification, as does the HSBC bank, usually without telling callers. In fact the HSBC operators deny any such equipment – they classify it as ‘recording’. In fact my (female) secretary was able to pass off as myself (male) using a musical device used to modify sounds. One thing they can’t ‘read’ at the present is the sound of a voice with over-modulating amplifier effect – or digitised voice which is very clipped.
It’s not the technology I object to, it’s their refusal to be honest and transparent with their clients/customers.
It is very easy to build one and 100% safe. Pure physics. In the book I am thinking of writing I will explain to people how they can safely and cheaply or for free build them
Family? Friends? I am so busy! I go out of my way to help you because I hate abuse and I know they are doing such things to lots of people out there. Those patriots, you know
You don’t have to break open your walls. Most probably, they are inducing all those EM lobes and noises from outside of your apartment. The cabling and devices inside your apartment are most probably to monitor you not part of the harassment and torturing/Zersetzung per se. I have found striking similarities between what you have describe and what I have observed myself. In my case they also use my neighbor apartments … (I’ve heard they pay them …)
Learn a bit about induction. Believe me there is nothing to it and you will not get electrocuted or anything. The same Physical principle they use in airport patting devices. Anyone can understand the principle and DIY such things
You will be able to detect if there are any metal/conductors in your walls from the outside and without braking them. You may actually, easily indeed, mess with them big time through induction.
Say you see a weird box outside of your apartment (or a suspiciously looking lamp):
1) you ask your superintendent about it (trying to play stupid (which for me is very hard, well, downright impossible!)). Your superintendent will tell you “I don’t even know what those are …” (all superintendents must double as snitches for USG, yet sometimes they just “follow orders” in order to keep their jobs. They are informed)
2) You take thorough pictures of every angle and corner of the thing. Most may not have a production tag and if they do check the names of the companies printed on them
3) you could then using a relatively big and potent magnet
// __induced currents Faraday’s laws
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repeatedly pass it back and forth in the direction of the length and with width on the outside of the box without touching it
That will burn the circuitry inside. Of course, they will notice you did it and they already know who taught you ;-)
Great! You should even take videos sometimes you (certainly I would) forget people’s faces but not their gaits and mannerism
Using Orwell’s 1984 and previous paradigms as metaphors I think doesn’t help while trying to describe the U.S.A.’s scope of “monitoring” they have become the Stasi of the world on steroids. I remember videos about the Stasi showing how they kept even samples of the hair and bodily odors of their targets
The NSA is most probably using people’s specific biomedical information/their DNA to mess with their health. Why is it that medical records are also part of NSA’s purview? They say they are not doing anything illegal with it …
They do that to lots of people out there. We most expose them.
I also think you should find your inner peace. I love to read (off of paper, of course), walk, listen to music …
RCL
What does this have to do with the NSA transcribing phone calls?
FYI, there are pastebins that allow collaborative editing that are protected by passwords. Combine this with something like Tor or Tails and it’s a far better way and place to discuss this stuff, and when I say that I mean better FOR YOU as much or more than for anybody here.
Nothing really I just couldn’t reply to her within her thread
I think I asked you that question already. How do you know what is better for me, Name and anybody here.
I myself am not that sure about what is better for me. I have repeatedly been in situations in my life I thought were bad which turned out to be very critically profitable …
At least you could say I don’t like that edgy entropic way in which people go at each other here
RCL
Are you suggesting that someone who has a strong technical background in security and privacy doesn’t have a good idea or two about how best to discuss matters which could be used against one, wittingly or unwittingly, when it’s public and distracts from the subject manner, thus reducing any sort of productive disclosure or set of viable solutions to what may be bothering you? Since you asked me what, more or less, gave me the right to suggest a better solution, let me ask you in turn, why do you think THIS is a good solution, or that YOU know any better than I would? AFAICT you don’t have the technical background that I do, which isn’t any sort of prejudicial statement, merely that my concession to NOT knowing whether or not whatever is happening or not and giving advice to help you if it is, is somehow being interpreting as something else entirely.
I am not proposing any solutions, nor am I suggesting I know any better than anyone else.
Some people just go berserk when they don’t see things outline in structures of control (I have my things that bother the hell out of me, for example, unnecessary noises).
I don’t know what you know about me, but I may not. Yet, I still prefer when people say whatever they want even if it is Mona viscerally telling off many of us here pac-man style
RCL
I will do that around noon the East coast time today: date Sat Jun 13 04:10:00 EDT 2015
I don’t tend to be too crazy about issues such as people’s nationalities (and national affiliations) and, yes, rulers don’t like when you talk truth to power/them. It is right now 4AM and my upstairs neighbor woke me up with loud music …
We will talk. I think a good idea is starting quiscustodiet.org and seeing how it goes
See you,
RCL
Just a reminder: This is supposed to be a comment feed *on the story*. Quit rolling on-topic discussions down. Granted I didn’t see that much new in this article vs Part 1 (or, to some extent, Part 2), but you’re doing a great disservice to what is supposed to be, nominally, YOUR community too (and by that I mean, you’re supposedly a part of it; if you want change, be a part of the change, don’t feed into the system that does whatever you believe it does to you by drawing attention to it — otherwise you appear to be part of the system.
So, ‘Targeted People’, do you have something to say about THIS particular article? Yes, THIS article, on speech recognition and analysis.
Should’ve read ‘drawing attention away from this’. For someone that wants to come across as a victim, I can’t imagine a more abuser-loving act than contributing to the building of a state you purport to be out to get you by acting like the very people you say you believe are out to get you. It is, at best, self-defeating, and at worst many steps beyond self-loathing. On the flip side, if you are putting your singular suffering above the suffering of anybody else, which really just amounts to narcissism, you’re in turn depriving other people of their rights to defend THEIR rights. Of course, if you are a part of the system, then you’re kind of doing a rather poor job of it — and if you’re NOT then you’re doing their job for them. But that’s just MHO. Last comment I’m going to write about it.
TALK about the ARTICLES.
Mr. Useful, you are not putting yourself in our shoes. You are thinking how you are being inconvenienced while we are getting tortured. It’s just another humdrum day for you while our lives have been turned upside down by covert government operators. Well, sorry to ruin reading entertainment. We are trying to bring the public’s attention to something this site should have long ago investigated and reported on. Narcissism it’s not, and to call people seeking help ‘narcissists’ is truly distorted thinking. Don’t throw stones until you’ve walked a mile in another’s shoes.
Thank you again, Mr. Useful for your previous link (The Gentleman’s Guide To Forum Spies)
To some TI folks those articles feel like they are being told that it snows in NYC and TI has a “take it down from us” social style. It doesn’t have free fora for people to talk to each other if they so feel …
We have plenty with Mona, whom I have started to somehow like.
I’m presuming in a ‘forgive those who trespass against us’ way?
Well, as expected this just winds up feeding back into itself, so I may as well take advantage of the opportunity to ask something that I’ve been curious about: Why is it gang-stalking when people get parroted in real life and other places online, but when it happens here and people all basically congregate to drive conversations down and drown out the actual subject, it’s NOT considered, essentially, doing the same thing to people here? For that matter, what is to say that some of the people don’t believe they are ‘targeted’ (sorry for the quotation marks, I know that can be an irritant, but it is to separate a formal thing as people here seem to use it from the general word in and of itself, which can apply to all kinds of contexts) and that (if they are ‘targeted’) they aren’t bringing people here, or giving each other each others’ people to antagonise and further irritate those who are being harassed?
I actually DO *know* that gang-stalking occurs (one would be an idiot to deny this — just look at what 4chan and gamers can do to one another — it’s actually relatively ridiculously easy to drive people crazy and help them ruin their own lives — and some power-hungry and/or sociopathic f*cks DO get off on this — I am just not buying it on any massive scale as part of a random government conspiracy. I think it’s probably VERY easy to mistake one for the other (and in fact, leaving hints and suggesting it may be bigger than it is really does essentially feed the paranoia; if I were a sociopathic sh*t, I’d certainly be pitting people who were already kindled and on-edge against one another because, hey, makes things easier, makes things more “sociopathically ‘fun'” (thankfully I am not a sociopath, nor do I consider anything that sadistic ‘fun’)).
I guess what I’m saying is, people seem to keep ganging up and encouraging one another on here, and that’s one reason I will and CAN NEVER discount it all being a big play to do exactly what they keep essentially getting away with (and I’m trying not to include you in here; you do have other things to say, you don’t just pick and choose certain articles and basically repeat the same stuff, and in general I try not to dismiss anybody from my periphery, or tune them out, when they actually make an effort to take part in a conversation (even if I don’t agree or even find myself strongly disagreeing (the latter may be with some angst, but that’s neither here nor there)).
What I’m ASKING is:
(1) WHY don’t those who perceive this sort of activity happening to them see that they aren’t doing the same thing?
(2) WHY do people automatically NOT get paranoid that other people are collaborating or feeding into their paranoia (*paranoia doesn’t necessarily mean that nobody’s out to get you — but it also doesn’t mean it’s who you think is out to get you)?
(3) WHY do people encourage the topic of the article to get pushed so SO far left-field from the comments and basically reuse canned comments? How is that not at all ‘scripted’?
(4) When I said ‘narcissistic’ I was suggesting that the world doesn’t revolve around them (any more than it revolves around me, you, or anybody else — we’re all in this together, even if we don’t like those we’re ‘in it’ with all the time) and that it seems odd that they believe that their problem(s), as they perceive it, is something that trumps the problems in the article and other problems that we are ALL up against. That’s a very self-centric worldview, and it’s either deliberate or somehow blind to everything else that’s going on.
(5) In short, if you aren’t respecting other peoples’ rights and pain, why would you expect them to respect your pain (putting aside logic or causation)? It comes across as cult-like at best, and ‘driven by the man’, so to speak, to anybody who knows (not just “knows”) that this is precisely how such programs work.
(6) Why is it, if people just say “ok, I accept your reality, but have you considered that it may not be a global, personal, conspiracy directed at you, nor any sort of experiment, but merely someone realising they can have fun at your expense?” they automatically lash out? Frankly, if it were me, I’d be more interested in making it stop (real or not) if I were them, and finding the actual cause/source for either the reality and/or the feelings behind it than deciding such-and-such is to blame and deciding I know the reason why. Maybe there is no reason why. Maybe there is no conspiracy. Maybe there is no torture. Maybe there is. But why be attached to the idea in the first place? Two of mankind’s longest-held questions is ‘Why am I here?’ and ‘Does my life have a meaning?’… Is it just better to think you have an answer?
If any of those questions matter most to me, it’s (1) and (2).
I hope Mr. Froomkin doesn’t mind. I’m hoping maybe some sort of… idunno, non-antagonistic questions can be asked and answered and maybe people will be less tense and more introspective about the whole thing (on both sides of whatever this is) and by doing so it might make the derailment less common.
I’m sorry Mr. Useful, none of those comments warrant the attention it would take to answer them.
The goal of the people commenting here is to bring this abuse to a wider audience. The Intercept’s audience is comprised of government agents, individuals interested in civil liberties and, I’m presuming, journalists involved in covering state matters. It is to those journalists and to the wider audience of people interested in civil liberties that we are addressing our concerns.
If it you are not interested in ‘feeding the monster,’ I suggest you do what you yourself recommended to Mona and ignore us.We are entitled to comment here. The site was founded upon the idea of revealing Snowden’s ‘intercept.’ We would like more to be revealed rather than the repetitive news about surveillance about which the entire world is now aware.
Now let’s move on to the ‘touchless torture,’ the electromagnetic abuse, the armies of American Stasi infiltrating neighborhoods. Our country is in danger if we do not move on to reveal and tackle these abuses.
NameWithheld, if you’re not willing to answer these questions but just keep repeating the same things, then why do you expect anybody to want to listen or take you seriously? THIS is why I said it just looks like it’s meant to derail conversations. You talk in circles, but when people actually are willing to listen to you you automatically say the questions (ones that indeed any good journalist would ask (and surprisingly you do not consider the possibility that I may be a journalist, but that’s neither here nor there) “not worth your time”. Perhaps you just want me to take my own advice and not talk to you because if you DID answer these questions you’d essentially wind up having the discussion you SAY you want, but I think you do not actually want. You only want to post comments when it causes upheaval. That, I would maintain, makes you more suspect than the people you often accuse. If you do not welcome an actual dialogue, then it seems to me you do not want one.
Now I shall indeed cease asking. But you can no longer say someone wasn’t willing to listen.
It’s a beautiful day. Go out and enjoy it.
Speech to Texting and Retaining TRANSCRIPTS collected from every digitally recorded verbal exhange possible is CONTENT COLLECTION. They want to “Collect It All” so they are. They are collecting verbal exchanges / private conversations from VoIP Skype ATT Verizon Sprint Google Yahoo Individual Device Microphones AllTypes and every other verbal exchange or conversation traveling through every Narus Splitter on the Internet backbone. Add to that all the data content the LEO Fixed Mobile and Airborne Harris Stingrays DRTboxes. If they are indeed converting all of our verbal exchanges into text those would represent TRANSCRIPTS of the CONTENTS of all or most intimate verbal exchanges. I mean once they are able to spoof your current voice why not save some money and server space reducing the size or cyber footprint of your government dossier of your private conversations to their AllText equivalents. As always I never end messages with four (4) question marks. Period.
Fact is you have absolutely nothing interesting or relevant to say here.
We have amazing things to reveal about you and millions of other mediocre, brainwashed Americans just like you.
Be nice, Stan. He may be a ‘Useful idiot’ but he’s no Mona.
None of the above. You seem sort of angry. Not to take any of that away from you (I suspect that anger is probably helpful to you) but I asked some questions just above this comment… I’m hoping that maybe nobody except the handful of you that do talk alot about this answer my questions (I’d respectfully ask anybody critical, including Mona, to not take part (though obviously I have no say as to who does or doesn’t, nor do I think I have any power here), as I’m looking for some answers that aren’t rebuttals and emotional arguments from either side). I’m also not really looking for a dialogue or conversation; I’ve read them all already, and that’s why I have the questions I have. If I had a different way to contact you all individually, and were willing to do so, I wouldn’t do so here, but I don’t, and I’m not (and that’s nothing against anybody here; I just, aside from here, don’t really partake in feeding the data coffers of the Great Vacuuming Behemoth, and I have no intention of doing more of it).
Useful Idiot, I have left my telephone number here before and here it is again: 773-412-5326. As Ricardo has complained, my phone is mostly blocked from receiving phone calls from persons that the state does not want me to talk to. But I’d be happy toindulge you in a conversation about this should you get through. But I’m not spending the inordinate amount of time it would require to answer your myriad questions. How tedious that be for The Intercept’s readers.
You should try reading the site you’re constantly commenting on.
Quantum Mechanics. The Stuff Dreams Are Made Of…????
TEST: I never place four (4) question marks at the end of any posting past present or future and will end this submission with nothing more than a period.
Quantum Mechanics. The Stuff Dreams Are Made Of. Period.
Actually, you may want to look for a comment in which I relate quantum entanglement to the NSA’s patterns of behavior predictive b#llsh!t.
They seem to entangle you to whatever b#llsh!t they fancy about you …
There is a great theme for a dystopia right there. I do write:
https://hsymbolicus.wordpress.com/category/poems/ (lies …)
but I try to keep my demons separate from that kind of [email protected]
RCL
Targeted individuals have been commenting here — and flocking here — since the site’s inception with the hope and belief that Greenwald et. al would reveal these crimes. As well all know, that has not happened. Though there are a million targets in the U.S., this site released the names of five Muslim Americans who were surveilled and who were eventually cleared. THAT was their big disclosure.
But if you go back to the comments in the following stories you will see many many readers have spoken out about these abuses — all to be ignored.They comment in other stories as well but this is a good list reviewing the similarities in the complaints of targets.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/10/core-secrets/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/05/watch-commander/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/fbi-manufacture-plots-terrorism-isis-grave-threats/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/13/why-hollywoods-war-stories-need-to-be-true/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/31/winner-war-terror-financed-dream-home-2014-giveaway/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/18/snowden-docs-reveal-covert-surveillance-and-pressure-tactics-aimed-at-wikileaks-and-its-supporters/
How nice if Glenn would be some semi-God. Unfortunately (or fortunately he isn’t)
a million?
What is happening to us is the same that happened to previous high government officials who blew the whistle
It all reached the top with Snowden. We have to keep doing our job and the they will come in which he will be rewarded
RCL
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It is important to concentrate our effort on exposing targeted individuals who are regular folks out there and the downright torturing techniques the USG (aka Stasi of the World) is using, including Zersetzung.
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/05/watch-commander/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/fbi-manufacture-plots-terrorism-isis-grave-threats/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/18/snowden-docs-reveal-covert-surveillance-and-pressure-tactics-aimed-at-wikileaks-and-its-supporters/
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/10/core-secrets/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/13/why-hollywoods-war-stories-need-to-be-true/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/31/winner-war-terror-financed-dream-home-2014-giveaway/
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RCL
Yeah! What the preposterous f#ck does Gloria Naylor have to do with terrorism or such things?
Yet, she seems to have become “a person of interest” to the thought police. They simply don’t want for people to talk about certain themes they think they physically, technically and morally own.
It is all about controlling memes (they think). Even such folks as politicians and police realize that you can’t really control reality, but its perception you certainly can (they think). That is why politicians are very actively persecuting “irresponsible” journalists out there.
Well, it seems your reading skills aren’t that great either. If with “Bill Binney” you mean NSA whistleblower William Binney, he has indeed emphasized that very point a number of times.
// __ NSA Whistleblower: Everyone in US under virtual surveillance, all info stored, no matter the post
https://youtu.be/TuET0kpHoyM?t=470
http://rt.com/usa/surveillance-spying-e-mail-citizens-178/
RT: It seems that the public is divided between those, who think that the government surveillance program violates their civil liberties, and those who say, ‘I’ve nothing to hide. So, why should I care?’ What do you say to those who think that it shouldnt concern them.
WB: The problem is if they think they are not doing anything that’s wrong, they don’t get to define that. The central government does, the central government defines what is right and wrong and whether or not they target you. So, it’s not up to the individuals. Even if they think they aren’t doing something wrong, if their position on something is against what the administration has, then they could easily become a target.
Satyagraha,
RCL
Naylor’s neighbor blamed her for a pet’a death and the woman’s brother I think worked for the NSA. I’ve reached out to Ms. Naylor but she didn’t respond. I have communicated with Mr. Binney who has been extremely supportive, more than he could ever realize. At a time when this overwhelmed, his and Kirk Wiebe’s kindness made all the difference.
It may relate to the fact that Binney is also a tech monkey (like me) and there are not many of us opposing the NSA. I do respect him a lot. There you see a man who clearly saw the evil to its face and from its inside and said: “No, I won’t be part of this …”
Here is another of his interviews with Nick Gillespie who wasn’t throwing soft balls at him
// __ William Binney – Inside NSA
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RCL
RCL, you mentioned that your interest in helping protect themselves from these abuses. I am routinely burned with radio waves. How much of those can I endure without succumbing to disease? They have used DEWS and electric shock but the use of these has fallen (the shock only a few days ago after I recorded the ‘drumming’ sound of something that turned on and off as I removed and installed a fuse in my fusebox. The shock stopped after I removed the fuse, but they always end up rewiring the juice in some other way. Any advice would be appreciated.
Radio waves are not that harmful (we, human beings, have always been surrounded by them 24×7 even from outer space). AFAIK (and I am a Physicist) you can only be affected by radio waves if you have an extremely rare disease called electro-hypersensitivity (EHS)
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-02/disconnected
I think you mean most probably high frequency electro-magnetic (EM) lobes. And, yes, USG has been “freedom-lovingly” “experimenting” with them and they can mess with us humans in fatal ways, because we have a type of cells (neurons/nerve cells) which function based on electrochemical impulses. USG is using those forms of touchless torture to mess with targeted people. They may enhance the effect of HFEM lobes with drugs they may put in your food
Something very simple you could do is at the very least sleep in a Faraday Cage (kind of a metallic mosquito net). That will not affect you in absolutely any way
// __ Sleep Inside A Faraday Cage
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and no, USG can’t do sh!t about it. You would keep them physically off
I also think you should see doctors you trust (medical professionals are scared to defend our cause) they want to keep their “reputation” and not many doctors I know would risk denouncing police b#llsh!t. Of course, they are able to smell sh!t that doesn’t sound right to them (as I myself as a Physicist do), but most of them would refuse to get involved. Girlfriend told me to speak to a psychologist who simply asked me at some point: “But, what can I do for you?” and I think he meant: “You are obviously not crazy/sick and I have no way to tell the police to stop giving you sh!t” … (and that was a “nice” reaction. I have had psychologists, social workers and even lawyers told me off outrightly)
From my own experience. They have almost literally driven me crazy. In my case I have lived like that all my life and at some point you somehow metabolize it, develop some kind of immunity towards it.
Yes, they most probably have Skinner-boxed you. They are recording your movements in your apartment (even with your lights off through infrared detectors) and use apparently innocuous devices doubling for their torturing means.
I think what you are doing is right. Document, expose and fight their [email protected] off in any way you can. For example, when you talk on the phone turn on the radio; keep your cell phone in a Faraday Cagem take pictures of people gangstalking you and of the license plates of cars following you, if they insist on doing it … Cameras have ways to exactly record the geolocation, direction and time of the taken picture and stamp that “metadata” on the pictures themselves.
Something my friends used to do is call 911 and tell them about some folks fielding, gangstalking and harassing me “who are acting as if they are police or criminals I am not sure” …
All 911 calls are recorded in a federal database and they must respond to the call. If those people say they happen to be where you where at exactly the same time …you can show to them the pictures you have recorded and made public on your facebook page …
Believe me at some point they will stop messing with you.
As you may have noticed, I have been talking about such issues whenever I can. You may find other useful ideas in my other comments.
Take care and (try to) take it as easy as you possibly can
RCL
Ricardo, it is so nice to speak to someone who knows exactly what is going on. Yes, they are using electromagnetic fields to torture me. When they initiated campaign, they actually had microwaves buried in lawn. That spring of 2013 the city of Chicago had spent months in front of my house obstensibly replacing sewer lines. But they were also doing something else. Their overt campaign against me began with me experiencing the microwave auditory affect. It was many months later that I learned that name. But I knew that it was something exterior to my body, and curiously, a hole had appeared in my lawn right in line with where I slept at night. (And beyond that, the curb was cracked exactly in line as well. This, after they had spent millions on street. The cracked curb made no sense.) So when the ‘buzzing’ began, I started putting hose down hole during day for hours at a time. It wasn’t long after that the ‘buzzing’ stopped, and then shortly afterward (maybe a couple of weeks) that two muffled explosions awakened me in the middle of the night. The ground had shook. They were removing something.
At one point I believe they even had a magnetron in my walls because when I finally decided to fight back, I called the condo insurance company and reported the burning. When I returned from moves that night, a painting on the wall where the burns frequently came was knocked to the ground. And the next day a HUGE UPS freight truck was in alley in very congested residential area, along with the government contractor who is the actual psychopath who does most of the direct abuse. I soon after found reference to the fact that magnetrons can only be moved with UPS freight trucks. By the way, the contractor is very short and lives in a property owned by Fannie Mae. The former owner died in his unit while his ‘PTSD’ Iraq vet cousin was staying with him.Alcohol overdose allegedly. But curiously there is a copper line under his unit, and when I asked the building’s former treasurer (a Reuters employee and wife of Northrop Grumman engineer who initiated electric campaign against me), she said John had put in a garbage disposal. I never believed a word she said, and just last week I learned that that line does not feed into a garbage disposal but a refrigerator.
I don’t have a Faraday cage but I do use aluminum which helps. I recently went to an electrical supply shop and it was there that I learned of ‘boxing in.’ Coincidentally, the father of the man I spoke with worked for CIA, and he understood immediately. I have actually seen one of the wires when some drywall had to be opened — (the condo opened reluctantly) but because I am not a physicist I can’t testify to what it actually is. And yes I am surveilled 24/7. There is a minimum of 11 coax cables running from underneath contractor’s unit over into walls near my unit. I know realize that there are people in my building who surveil on ‘shifts.’ And they bribe everybody around you, it’s absolutely Orwellian. Can I invite you to my house to help me open the walls? I’ve been asking lawyers/journalists to do that, so far to no avail. But you would know what you are seeing. Please come to my house and help me open walls.
They have manipulated the phone, cable and electric wires in various ways and at various times. In most case I was able to find the source and break the wire or make it so noticeable that I knew that they rerouted the abuse. ATT most assuredly is involved. And yes I have taken numerous pictures and license plates (and have even listed plate numbers here). I do have a doctor I can trust now — my original ones are responsible for putting bio mems inside me. He documents and helps in any way he can and most of all, believes me.. I’m concerned that any bloodwork that I get done isn’t accurate though because as you know the Stasi inercept anything they want. I have posted photographs of the biomems from xrays and scans on my Twitter page.
As for shrinks, I have spoken to several, none of whom slapped me with label. And I was seeing one woman. But ultimately it was a pointless exercise because she was uneducated on covert ways and it became an exercise in frustration for me. What can she do? She also was lazy in that she didn’t want to ‘read’ anything I gave her on her own time. The only shrink I’d see is Jeff Kaye in San Francisco who is an expert in CIA/Mind Control/MKULTRA/Torture.
Thank you again. It is so awesome to speak to someone who understands completely what I am talking about.
One more thing Ricardo, I have written to the parents and inlaws of the perps informing them of what their children are doing. As you read, I identified the perps, but they moved some out and others in since I wrote that letter to Cryptome. They are still here, still active. The most recent guy who came and went in four months, a nanotechnologist (that’s for you General) dropped a clear gelatinuous fluid in my tub from the vent above. He did this several times. I saw it and rinsed tub thorough before then showering. Shortly before he moved, he or the perp next door burned me so badly. They were aiming at the rear left side of my skull. And I experienced radiation enteritis — not very pretty. I went on vacation and when I returned he was gone. He works for Samir Mayekar, a Benghazi footnote and obvious CIA. http://www.albrightstonebridge.com/team/samir-mayekar
He did return to clean out his apartment, and interestingly, he threw out these huge boards that looked like some kind of training material. Some of the faces were identified as ‘enemy,’ while others had a different term. But the most interesting thing he threw out — and which I have in my possession — was a large piece of woodwork trim or a floorboard. He rented the unit for four months (the owner’s medical school was paid for by DOD), and why was he removing woodwork? Before the new crew moved in, there were painters in there painting the front woodwork because they couldn’t get the paint to ‘match’ I guess the wood that had been removed.
There are definitely crazy people involved in all of this — but it isn’t the targeted individuals.
Every time I see certain commenters start in, full-bore, I am reminded of COINTELPRO, and not TO those people. I don’t care if it’s deliberate or not, people need to not feed into it. The entire topic becomes hijacked. Does that really suit the agenda of someone who wants to call out an overstepping government?
Layman’s guide: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
The real comments and discussions get side-channeled or forgotten. Don’t encourage that. Thanks. :)
COINTELPRO v##.## targets may be the only U.S. Persons with anything interesting to say on the topic at this time, not comfortably ignorant Americans who are reminded of it.
Stan, not the best picture
https://stmarysharlem.wordpress.com/
but you may figure out who am I
RCL
If you don’t mind, could you set up a temp twitter account and send me a message @argilavermelho . We can use the ‘private’ messaging ‘feature’ to trade email addresses, then de-activate these temp twitter accounts when done.
(Note that I work regular west coast business hours and can only communicate with you outside these hours.)
// __ The Gentleman’s Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
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http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
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Superb!
Something I could not find there are the funky names forum shills tend to use.
You should look up what the name of TI most active pac-man style user literally means in Spanish ;-)
RCL
I’d love to ask Mona about the guy who likely blew his own fingers off while part of the Black Panther Party of Israel. But I could give a shite. He is my pot connection, Talavera. I want high gloss at low prices, not a dissertation.
So, the story Crazy Joe tells of the half-baked Bonannos cutting up copper communications cable in Panama doesn’t strike you a bit sideways? I’d love to know the timing and what communications were impeded. Imagine the probabilities. Copper has always been at the bottom of my top stories, folks. The Thing, Mystery of the Desert.
Wow, hubby’s hearing aids have advanced so much since his last pair, I wonder if anyone has been hacking in via wireless devices? You don’t have to be in the circle to be a point of access, just an innocent bystander who never knew they were a dirty rat?
Reusing comments?
Why did the tree surgeon find himself under surveillance?
Because he told a friend, on the phone, that he was working on a very big plot, with high trees on.
https://youtu.be/DVVqrE143N4
From the author of ‘Chameleo,’ a book mentioned below.
…People are going to be surprised at the fact that the Snowden revelations are just completely mundane compared to what’s actually going on. Just the tip of the iceberg….
What’s ‘going on’ can’t be secret to someone with hundreds of thousands of government documents.
http://disinfo.com/2015/03/interview-with-robert-guffey-author-of-chameleo-or-books-2015-march-2015/
Here’s another quote from the author: You know, if Chameleo in any way helps to bring some of the targeted individuals together and talking to each other I would be extremely proud. Even if it succeeded in bringing just a few people together I would be very pleased.
What is the name of the general who told his daughter — purportedly a friend of yours — that the film “Enemy of the State” depicts methods of real intelligence operations?
This question has gone unanswered about half a dozen times now. Why won’t you reply?
Because it’s none of your business. That person has a right to privacy, though your ilk might not see it that way.
Here are the phrases Mona used to discount the claims of targeted individuals:
rude freak
loons
handful of crazies
fucking deranged loons
paranoid freaks
unhinged statements
handful of crazies
The space aliens who regularly abduct Billy Bob and Mary Sue and take them to the Mother Ship, why, they probe rectums, genitals and just play hell with these poor victims’ bodies. It’s beyond disgusting.
fever swamp notions
Was that the same day the Virgin Mary and Napoleon contacted you?
In the 1980s you’d be claiming to have been abducted by aliens who were tormenting you now. In the 1480s it would have been demons and devils
She absolutely want to be sure that everyone thinks we’re crazy. And should we be, her remarks would show her to be the worst kind of bigot there is: one who makes fun of the mentally ill.
That’s the only rational and reasonable claim you’ve offered. But as I’ve said, I consider the reputation of TI’s comment space — whether or not we are known as a nest of loons — is well worth the trade-off. It is also possible y’all are merely one of the legions of people throughout history who, while otherwise stable, insist on the reality of a particular nutty, e.g., abduction by space aliens or demonic possession and oppression & etc.
If the latter, you are not “crazy” in any clinical sense.
A single word — the word Americans have made even uglier than the ‘c’ word — sums up Mona:
patriot
Don’t let these people hijack that word, Stan.
The name of a United States general is none of my business? Giving his name re: his view of a film would somehow invade his privacy?
That’s right. But I have an idea: why don’t you ask your friends to pull my phone and email files and trace the name that way.
Nah, We are frying your brain even harder as I type this. See all that drool on your keyboard?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes, that’s right. He’s CIA, and in charge of stalking people at their places of work until they off themselves. YOU are one of his main targets.
A total fake. He’s not even really gay.
“He’s CIA”
No no, the Brazilian intelligence agency is ABIN. And since “sur” is Spanish for “south,” his superspy codename is “Abin Sur.” Abin Sur was the Green Lantern who died and gave his power ring to Hal Jordan, and Glenn has “green” in his name, so it all makes perfect sense.
Yes, I know Brazilians speak Portuguese, not Spanish. That’s what makes it even more perfect.
-Mona-, a few hypotheticals: If you don’t like them attempting to hijack threads, then why do you continue to reply to them which in essence makes the thread hijacking true? Why are you letting them get you upset in the first place? I won’t even ask why they are, because that’s totally O/T. Don’t reply to this, but please think about it (I’ve no interest in contributing to it).
I did that quite deliberatively and deliberately. The vast majority of times they go off into insane thread hijacking they get deleted or placed in pre-mod; sometimes both. Certainly that happens in
Glenn’s threads, and has occurred in Micah Lee’s, and (I think) one of Cora Currier’s.
But I don’t think Froomkin pays much attention to his comments — so the freaks settled here. I decided to go for it and shove their bizarre bullshit right in their freak faces.
That way it can’t be said that The Intercept is a welcoming place for this kind of lunacy. And also, I was frustrated to see them at it again when they know better and it was cathartic to smack them around.
Oh, I very much remember Cora Currier’s article and what happened to the comments section there.
I’m hesitant to say what I think about how you come across because I don’t want to give the gallery anything else to jump on. Reasons aside, I suggest you look at your comments with an eye to how a third party might see them and the responses that come with them. I’m sure you’ve already done this more than once, but just in case…
But it is welcoming for verbally abusive friends’ of Glenn’s.
When I said I posted deliberatively and deliberately, I meant it. Moreover, not everyone has reacted as you have.
I come across as a bitch from hell who will stomp the shit out of people spouting crazy. On occasion I do that — to the small minority of people who stop by and promiscuously spout crazy and thereby pollute the conversation in thread after thread.
I have zero patience for it when they’ve been deleted repeatedly, and banned — and still come back — I treat them with utter contempt. As is quite clear.
Didn’t say to tell me or anyone else.
We create and nurture the monsters we feed.
Moreover, not everyone has reacted as you have…
Who are these other people, Mona? Who, who, who, WHO?????
I’m hesitant to say what I think about how you come across
Useful Idiots, please do tell. I for the life of me can’t understand why people allow a virtual bully to dominate the comments on an entire website.
And whoever edited the comment section on that Cora story totally butchered them and took comments out of context. They also were quick to remove criticism of Weinberger’s story Mind Games.
Which is almost proof there is a god.
Even those we disagree with or desire to throw epithets at don’t have any less rights to exercise their speech in context than those we agree with. As far as I am concerned, there was a feedback loop and everybody, including Cora, got essentially shafted by that comment editing — I don’t care how out of control it got. The minute we act as censors we deny others to make their own conclusions and we become that which we purport to be against, even if we believe we have the best intentions at heart.
Two days of a proper web dev and some (anonymously done) stackoverflow research, followed by a quick half-day code review for security flaws could implement a voting system whereupon the O/T commenting cascades would essentially get buried. Granted others might get buried too, but that doesn’t remove peoples’ ability to expand or read them — only to be able to pluck out that which they might otherwise not see amidst the noise. That and fixing the formatting to more of a news site with sections and a way to make sure at least several articles from each section stay on the site for at least a couple weeks on the front page (a decent web dev can do this starting with readily available templates in a few weeks’ time).
Addition: Add a comment feed with linkbacks to comments as an RSS for all articles or all ‘sections’ individually. Being able to RSS comments would at LEAST make it possible to see if comments got replied to, especially to articles more than two days old.
I think the targeted individuals’ revealed too much in that comment section and it seemed as though there was almost a panic. They gutted the dialogue, and of course it is their right to do since it is their site. But they left responses to comments that were cut, changed context, removed criticisms. In short, it was very unprofessional and revealing.
@NameWithheld: I think people basically just went on roiling rampages leaving whoever was trying to fix it completely befuddled and ultimately screwed no matter what they did or tried to do. That feedback loop wasn’t going to be stopped as long as people kept replying to any of the comments (or making new ones basically saying the same thing). One thing if that’s what that article, or this article, are, or were, about but it isn’t, this isn’t, that wasn’t, and none of them are. Apparently that is what you seem to be upset about, but it doesn’t really make sense to my (admittedly small) brain: Why spend so much time arguing for a specific person in a specific place who already has a ton of work yet to do to research something? That’s why it comes across as so odd and suspicious. It basically does everything you get upset about when other people do it to you, and actually seems… I dunno, rude. If someone were to demand you do (or not do) something, I’m sure you’d be furious. Free choice belongs to everyone.
Government Stalking is Real!
FBI Cointelpro
That interview was very interesting, but author for some reason is obsessed with gangstalking,
There is an important element of gangstalking that IMO author does no emphasize enough. As an easy way to control and coerce the masses they come up with that Soviet era idea of making the citizenry watch and police one another and making individuals police themselves through the “they are watching me” kinds of fears.
People don’t know how to deal with such [email protected], say -no- to police and their snitches. You just don’t talk to them.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/04/congress-nsa-denied-access#comment-25787538
You totally ignore them and make as public as you can anything they try to say to you (they don’t like that and that would totally disqualify you in their eyes, yes it is as easy as that ;-)). Police and their snitches will try to come up to you and “work” you by telling you about sh!t that may sound totally innocuous to you. All they are doing is making you bite their baits. They worked Hemingway by telling him that Germans were trying to hide submarines in Cuban waters …
I also see particularities of the gringo mentality (“daddy government is good”, “God is with us”, “those foreign whatever people and morally lesser beings”, “free will is an illusion (Skinner)” …)
When I say to my people that snitches in the U.S. are like cowboys they laugh in disbelief.
Luria wrote a very interesting peace on consciousness studies: “the mind of a mnemonist”. There is such a thing as “the mindset of snitches and shills”. Have you noticed how they can’t help but write anything that comes out of the location where we humans should have our brains in ad hominem ways? (their comments usually start like “Mr. Greenwald”, “Mr. Scahill”, “Mr. Devereaux” …), how their adjectives to substantives ratio is way too high?, how those kinds of idiots tend to talk in telegraphic, “the chain of command” ways and/or aren’t able to back the kind of sh!t they verbalize?, how they think that trying to engage people in verbalizations/”persuasion” contests (which those kinds of idiots love; to them it is like going to the gym) they are actually proving their points?
They aren’t able to see that there is an important difference between “persuading” and convincing people. You may convince intelligent individuals, fools fall to persuasion. Madame de Staël, considered the first modern (Western) woman, wrote: “My memorial has persuaded the King, though it failed to convince me myself!”
Satyagraha,
RCL
Something else that is new to me is that gringo idea of using kids/minors/teenagers as part of their gang-stalking and clowning operations. That should be illegal!
I keep waiting for TI pieces about “snitching in the land of the free” as some sort of comparative Anthropology comparing the snitch to general population ration in the U.S. and different countries, which USG says don’t respect “individual freedoms”/”human rights”.
Currently in the U.S. (at least in NYC where I live) they have networks of snitches (“nexus”). Every business dealing with people has snitching cells from University Departments and hospitals to filthy bodegas. Gringos think (as silly as it may sound) that because they don’t do it in open and explicit ways they are “responsible”/are not doing it.
Satyagraha,
RCL
Once they successfully baited me with a severely disabled man. Lesson learned.
About the comparative Anthropology… it’s up to us to write that.
How can I contact you, RCL? Temp twitter account first, then something more ‘secure’?
Unfortunately, I don’t have a twitter, skype, … account (I could set up a temp one).
I live in Inwood (and you live in Brooklyn, right?). I trust you enough to meet you any time but right now I can’t even use my phone (they noised it badly after I wrote my comments about that journalist that was accused of being some Al-Quaeda something).
I think it would be best if a group of people we personally trust or know of from friends of friends networks meet and discus a plan to expose persecution and Zersetzung practices by USG. If we want to do something together, it would be best if we could find a balance between of personal egos and our collective effort.
Someone suggested we reach out to radio show host Glenn Beck and the idea seemed to be OK, but I think we will have to chop our own wood; say, collectively write a book, which may become invaluable in the future. People tell me I am way to “abnormal” for regular folks out there to follow me, but I think writing a book with our actual experiences (not another dystopia) would serve a good purpose.
We probably should do it step-by-step. We could first write up a piece for TI (I have noticed other people do that) and from there we could get feedback and grow our idea. I also own quiscustodiet.org. We could write up our own blogs until we see enough material for a book.
There are at least 4 people I know who could be part of our effort. A good friend of my ISM girlfriend who they have driven almost clinically crazy, a lady that used to be an activist, another person I know of who was targeted for protesting the spoliation of the amazon basin by corporations and a nice and true lawyer who is a good friend of mine. I am also friends with the writer Joel Kovel, who may help us with ideas, but he doesn’t like at all my criticizing the Castro brothers and USG on the same paragraph ;-) Hopefully, “if we make it they will come” even though people are busy taking care of their personal business and are afraid to their guts of being targeted.
I hang out at St. Mary’s church in Harlem (which members are not responsible at all (of course, they have their snitches there too)). I will be there this coming Sunday, June 21st
You could drop by or we could meet somewhere else at some other time.
I am mostly into informing people about what they can do on a physical and technical level and why they should do so morally speaking. Being targeted will be the new untouchable/nigga thing. Those of use unlucky (or lucky?) ones should learn how to be. I have noticed people don’t even know how to talk about persecution.
I am very upset about the tragic end of Aaron Swartz. I think he was overwhelmed by USG b#llsh!t he didn’t have to, but he didn’t seem to know. All those mother f#ck3rs piled up one of top of the other starting with Stephen Heyman and Carmen Ortiz all the way to congress … would not make on Aaron
// __ Anonymous – The Story of Aaron Swartz Full Documentary
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We should write our book as a guideline for those who are likely to be “targeted”
See you,
RCL
Stan andRicardo, I admire the way you return here and speak calmly about your experiences despite the verbal attacks by Mona. In doing so, you win. I do hope you meet and write your book. I understand that a reporter has begun an investigation into these claims. My hope is that he is successful and stays safe. I have provided him with many names and contact numbers. Anon yesterday left mention of a new book for which I found an interview and I think you both would appreciate hearing what he has to say. He speaks of author Gloria Naylor’s experience with being stalked and harassed among other cases. http://disinfo.com/2015/03/interview-with-robert-guffey-author-of-chameleo-or-books-2015-march-2015/
Oh now, now. YOU must join them. I don’t want to see any of you again until it’s done and eclipsing the Snowden story. Get to work!
@Ricardo Camilo López 11 Jun 2015 at 3:45 pm
RCL, I want to get this to you even before I finished reading your post.
First: Love the idea of collaborating on a book. I was going to do it alone, but 2-5 targets’ stories are much better than one ;-) ) I want/need to meet you to discuss this.
Second: Thanks for the reference to the church in Harlem, but I need more. If you would please, set up a temp twitter account and send me a message @argilavermelho . There we can use the ‘private’ messaging ‘feature’ to trade email addresses, then de-activate these temp twitter accounts when done. Please be aware twitter rodents have occasionally blocked my posts to others — but I can’t confirm the real cause of the delays and lost messages. If you don’t get through to me via twitter, can we come back here to discuss other way of contact?
The twitter accts are just to trade email addresses… We can talk about that over twitter. (Note that I work regular west coast business hours and can only communicate with you outside these hours.)
Third: As a target, you know know as well as I that you can’t let the bastards influence your self-image. I don’t. They can’t. People who chucked their reputations in the dumpster a long time ago can’t besmirch mine. That’s an egotistical thing to say, but I’m sure you understand. I am also sure you know what I mean when I say the only Americans I respect today are dissidents who risked their lives. You appear to be one of them. If true — confirmed by fact-to-face meeting(s) — you will find me an amiable team-player with a checked ego.
…
By the way, on your site: https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes …
Clicking the link https://ipsoscustodes.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/sleep_deprived08_zersetzun_usa.pdf
results in a 404.
@Ricardo Camilo López 11 Jun 2015 at 3:45 pm
I want to discuss.
If you don’t mind, set up a temp twitter account and send me a message @argilavermelho . We can use the ‘private’ messaging ‘feature’ to trade email addresses, then de-activate these temp twitter accounts when done.
Note that I work regular west coast business hours and can only communicate with you outside these hours.
@NameWithheld 11 Jun 2015 at 5:57 pm
That yapping ankle-biter is nothing to me.
What I want to say to you is that I will owe you a personal apology if everything you say about your DEW experience(s) are true.
Skeptically yours,
s
@Ricardo Camilo López 11 Jun 2015 at 3:45 pm
I can’t get away with saying something like “I am also sure you know what I mean when I say the only Americans I respect today are dissidents who risked their lives” without qualification. Those who risk violent incarceration and/or death for the crime of breathing in the US are among those I respect. And there are millions of them. (You know what I mean.)
Stan, you are going to owe me a BIG apology.
Best.
The TI site was originally created as a platform to reveal, describe, and analyze NSA documents related to the organizations and technologies used to find, watch, and attack organizations and individuals. TI is interested in other topics, but the NSA doc trove is the reason for its popularity.
Mona, Cindy, Kitt, Nate, and some others spend entire business days here interacting with the TI site — a site full of content about technologies used to ‘target people’. Yet when a ‘targeted person’ pops up, trying to describe the viciousness of the attacks experienced, the passions of Mona, Cindy, Kitt, Nate, and some others are ignited: TARGETED INDIVIDUALS ARE CRAZY! THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS A TARGETED INDIVIDUAL! AND IF THERE WERE, THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORRY BECAUSE AMERICANS DON’T TORTURE!
Draw your own conclusions, dear deliberately and programmatically confused TI readers.
Dude I know many who are targeted in the way Glen Jacob and Bruce described. Remember GCHQs Operation Optic Nerve? All those unusual phone calls you got from call centers purporting to be LEO related? Did you see that bit below by TalleyHoGazeHound on superstring theory? Maybe just out of the corner of your eye…? Mona?
What if I told you that the NSA had a specialized technology that
beamed energy into you and the computers around you…? ????
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/venezuela/472/chavez-killed-by-nsa-jacob-appelbaum-at-ccc-chaos-communication-congress/28279/#.VXhWbW5z7Es.mailto
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I’ve had my share of bizarre phone calls with call centers.
If you know many who are targeted in the way Glen Jacob and Bruce described, then I want to meet you, and some of them, and not because I doubt you.
What do you say?
That person is a friend of mine. If she ever started speaking in terms of the government targeting hordes of unremarkable Americans to make their families and friends consider them mentally ill by zapping their brains with satellite emissions into the ionosphere & bouncing back down into their heads, and plots to have co-workers stalk them at work and others stalk them at home, and plots to make them commit suicide or kill them, if TallyHo ever said any of that I’d be shocked speechless.
Hiya Mona and Everyone,
Jumping in–too late I imagine–to try to cool some jets. Having witnessed two and a half decades ago seeing two or three perfectly normal people suddenly lose their capacity to function normally and five years ago having the similar happen to me, I would echo what whistleblower William Binney has said; that what makes a person a target of the modern COINTELPRO and/or MKULTRA or any other kind of targeting is not up to us, it’s up to those who order such operations.
I’ve since spoken to many TIs and have formed some opinions about why. In one case, a woman blew the whistle on her cousin who was about to go postal at his former place of employment, a pharmaceutical division of a larger company. The Church/Tower hearings showed that the intelligence community was, decades before this, creating situations in which two parties were pitted against each other to the point it might have resulted in deaths. More recently, we’ve seen that the vast majority of domestic terror plots were created by government informants. The short answer, I think, in this woman’s case was that her cousin was set up and someone stood to make some money off of that office taking a hit using similar techniques which for simplicity let us call ‘spycraft.’ She was a nurse for two decades and has had her career ruined and has some of these same ideas you mentioned. Even if she is wrong about the ‘how,’ ‘who,’ and ‘why,’ I am not so certain that she is wrong about the ‘if.’ That is, I believe she disrupted someone’s covert operation by calling in her cousin to law enforcement and her destruction was revenge for it.
Another woman I spoke with was living in an area with a lot of aerospace and military weapon companies. She woke one night in what may have been some kind of DEW or EMP weapon test with brain damage. She even spoke to Arlen Specter on the phone during the 1993-1994 human radiation experiment hearings. She said he was very apologetic, but Clinton’s inquiry was only going through 1975. She also has similar ideas about what has happened to her since. Avoiding exposure to a lawsuit–perhaps a class action one–and exposure of a secret weapon testing would seem good motives for making someone appear insane by some means.
Going back to the appendix of the 1977 Senate hearings on MKULTRA for a moment, we find a draft memo dated 5 May 1955 in which the initial goals of the program are listed. The very first item is:
“1. Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.”
I think that serves to help to understand where CIA’s mindset was. {It also makes me wonder at times about how Qaddafi, Kim Jong Il, etc. got to be so erratic, but that’s a different subject}.
In any case, both of these women were, apart from being I am sure otherwise amazing people, unremarkable.
Without lengthening this too much, I’ll just add that I think the field training for the people who carry these things out for Uncle Sam–you know, on the ‘bad guys’ which are of course *always* foreign and known terrorists…yes being sarcastic–is done on the mentally ill. The purpose of this is at least twofold: Should the training op be discovered, it is easier to discredit a person already under psychological care as entirely delusional; and, secondly, it forces the field operative to let go of any empathy, sympathy, remorse by having done these acts to a vulnerable innocent. It is, as torture is for the torturer, traumatic for them as well and can cause psychotic breaks. Which is, I wager, just about how the powers that be want these people: Addicted to inflicting pain.
As for satellites, implants, etc. I don’t see that they are necessary. This opinion often gets me into trouble with TIs but it is the one I hold. The old techniques, drugs and the resulting trauma and isolation from work, friends, and family combined with PSYOPs, eg ‘Spycraft,’ can explain most of what these poor souls experience. It is painful and they are desperate for relief.
Folks, Mona is not being paid by ‘them.’ Her opinions expressed are in fact similar to many other people. It is extremely difficult to imagine and three letter agencies and their crooked subcontractors guard their secrets jealously. How it is done is not really the question we should spend so much time trying to answer, merely that it is happening and that there are and can be myriad reasons that it is. PRISM is not the only resurrection of Cold War programs post-9/11 but it’s a long, hard road to proving that if history is our guide.
Chris
Well said Chris.
Chris & Christian, haven’t seen either of you here before.
I’ve read a great deal of Bill Binney, and have never seen any statement like that. In fact, I’ve only seen him hold forth on the NSA, where he worked. Not on the FBI (COINTELPRO) or the CIA (MKULTRA). His observations are about electronic surveillance, which is the NSA’s mandate and purview.
As for all the anonymously sourced anecdotes, they are useless. As worthless as NameWithheld citing some general he won’t name.
Reply issues. Thread too deep to reply directly to Mona.
The Binney comment was actually given to acquaintance regarding a non-NSA issue with another target, telco worker and witness to Muslim coworker being guilty of being Muslim and playing paintball during the W years {assume FBI and DHS} as I understood his situation. Binney gave him three pieces of advice, the targeting thing being first. He also said to concentrate on your issue to the exclusion of other issues–that one I ignore frequently because my case is complicated and relates to so many side issues.
Anyway, this other target said he and his wife are targeted with DEWs. He doesn’t speak to me anymore because I ignore that piece of advice I think. As I see it, one person saying “I got screwed” doesn’t mean much unless you can show how it affects lots of other people as well, what the implications are legally and technologically.
Haven’t commented much here but we’ve interacted on Twitter. :)
As for the anonymously sourced anecdotes, how do you get these stories out if media outlets are afraid to publish these stories for fear of their credibility sinking along with that of the potential targets?
Sure it was. One you can’t or won’t name.
Go away.
https://twitter.com/PRWeissenberg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/487617464780333056/BT8ozoTz.jpeg
How’s that?
and, of course, they have to justify their salaries …
RCL
Chris, thank you for you constructive, well informed comment.
I am one of those long-term TI’s, but I am still not prepared to believe I’ve been attacked by some kind of DEW or EMP technology, though I find it increasingly difficult to deny such things exist, and are being routinely used.
I agree with most of your remark: As for satellites, implants, etc. I don’t see that they are necessary. This opinion often gets me into trouble with TIs but it is the one I hold. The old techniques, drugs and the resulting trauma and isolation from work, friends, and family combined with PSYOPs, eg ‘Spycraft,’ can explain most of what these poor souls experience.
My experiences include childish harassment by Americans at my worksite (a Chinese firm), a sexual assault with basic medical implements, attempts to steal money from me, spammed & unusable phones, being group-stalked, being subjected to fake assaults and other threatening situations on the street, low-tech skits (on the street, in coffee shops, bars, on airplanes, in airports, in shops and stores, job interviews, at the doctor’s office, and more… all low-tech), having my web-browser hijacked, being served insulting web-ads, being served personal insults via TV (still low-tech), and many more tactics, none involving exotic weaponry. I believe personal vendetta is an important component of ‘why’ this is happening, bring me to the point of disagreement.
This is what I strongly disagree with: I am no poor soul, and in no need of psychiatric care. I simply disowned belligerent relations in Texas, publicly stated the Iraq invasion was a mistake, said ‘you will lose your stupid, offensive war’, then watched them lose their stupid, offensive war. All quite reasonable, rational behavior of an informed citizen not willing to shut up and be scared of the bogeyman (which turned out to be Uncle Sam, after all). That’s the motivation behind the terrorists’ decision to experiment on and try to destroy my life. (Try… not succeed.)
It is painful and they are desperate for relief.
No argument there.
Now I’m going to boast. The reasons I have been targeted, my ability to endure this long, and to my own surprise, the degree of self-control I’ve been able to maintain, proves I am far more remarkable than any of my attackers, including Mona — who does it for free.
Oh, I forgot to mention one of the more salient, low-tech TI harassment tactics I’ve experienced: death threats. Lots and lots of death threats. The execution is to be performed with low-tech implements: Texan bi-peds with guns.
“How’s that?”
All that picture does is prove that “Peter Weissenberg” who supposedly has a Twitter account once got his picture taken with William Binney. It does not prove that Binney had any such conversation with “Weissenberg”, nor that “Weissenberg” then relayed that information to you.
re: superstring theory
It was `jimmy (aka `schooleddaze), `mona..
Suave,
Thanks for the correction. Got the whole Family iPhone 6’s after The FBI came out against them and sometimes my poor scrolling technique (and slowly atrophying peripheral vision) has yielded my occasional past misattributions of precisely this kind and type. Sorry Mona for my lack of clarity.
Thanks donger. I don’t think Mr. Schooldaze is that far out there, either.
I haven’t bothered revealing the bizarre calls I get, the rerouted call to ‘wrong numbers,’ the messages on social media I use. Last week a realtor called and was asked to type in her zip code. I don’t have enough hours in a day to reveal all that. It’s the ‘touchless torture’ that is the most disturbing and relevant for public release.
You should start a blog and spend ALL your time detailing that, and every other brain-sizzling thing happening to you.
Aren’t you afraid that by ignoring my many requests to do that, that We will only step-up your torture and the strange calls?
“What if I told you that the NSA had a specialized technology that beamed energy into you and the computers around you…? ????”
What if I told you that since the 1930’s there was a technology that beamed energy DIRECTLY INTO YOUR EYES? And that one of the uses of that technology was to alter your behavior, causing you to think thoughts and take actions that you otherwise would be unlikely to take? I know many people who have been victims of this technology, otherwise good upstanding citizens who proceed to profess all kinds of irrational beliefs and engage in all sorts of strange behaviors after being subjected to this mind control device. I think it’s telling that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these devices is stamped with the mark of a government agency. And yet the mainstream media has failed to report on these deleterious effects RIGHT UP TO THE PRESENT DAY.
Hey liberalrob,
I would say that Mona would believe that if Glenn Greenwald and/or Jacob Applebaum proved it to her. My own comment would be that IF such a technology exists and has been around for 80 + years its no doubt much smaller more powerful and more easily hidden and deployed than its previous incarnations. (In many of my recent messages four (4) question marks appear at the end of certain submissions. Thats not an element of my posting style past present or future)
Mona & Co.: You are mistaken.
If evidence and details of these attacks are ever brought to your attention via some officially sanctioned medium you ‘trust’ — whatever that might be — you may feel a twinge of remorse about your own complicity.
Or you’ll just sleep soundly that night. That’s what psychopaths do, right Mona?
Hey Stan,
Do you believe Occupy Black Lives Matter Anti War and Tar Sands Environmental Activists
have been targeted using JTRIG exploits and/or the (December 2013) ANT catalogs RF Reflectors and “Angry Neighbor” set of hardware exploitation tools as Jacob Applebaum and Bruce Schneir have described them?
Hey Stan,
Stan,
What if I told you that the NSA had a specialized technology that
beamed energy into you and the computers around you…? ????
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/venezuela/472/chavez-killed-by-nsa-jacob-appelbaum-at-ccc-chaos-communication-congress/28279/#.VXhWbW5z7Es.mailto
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> What if I told you that the NSA had a specialized technology that
beamed energy into you and the computers around you…? ????
I’d say meet me, to discuss.
> Do you believe Occupy Black Lives Matter Anti War and Tar Sands Environmental Activists
have been targeted using JTRIG exploits?
Yes. Absolutely.
> Do you believe Occupy Black Lives Matter Anti War and Tar Sands Environmental Activists
have been targeted using the (December 2013) ANT catalogs RF Reflectors and “Angry Neighbor” set of hardware exploitation tools as Jacob Applebaum and Bruce Schneier have described them?
I can’t say yes or no until I have read about these tools. I’m inclined to believe it to be true, but can’t say ‘yes’ while still uninformed about RF Reflectors and “Angry Neighbor” hardware exploitation tools.
It is true bro. If this shit is mostly private sector at this point between kasperskys universal equation group firmware malware (effecting virtually every hard drive on the planet) and Scahills Gemalto Hack articles (effecting virtually every SIM card on the planet) thats quite a few devices to send beams IN TO and OUT OF from NOW ISNT IT? Definitely beyond my pay grade. Didn’t General Alexander have degrees in Physics AND Electrical Engineering?
I am certain I do not have the technical and ‘spy-craft’ skills needed to find the uncompromised components needed to build a Linux box. I am certain that every cell phone and ipad I have used in the last ten years or so was compromised. (And when I am in Brazil, spooks edit my text in real-time when I am writing posts to submit on these pages.)
I don’t think we have reason to argue.
Absolutely. They have ordered me to destroy you and I’m proceeding to do so with nary a pang of guilt. After all, “they” hired me because I scored “high sociopath” on every test “they” administered. That, and the idea of directing microwave energy into satellites and bouncing it back down into your head just is just really cool.
And, of course, “they” pay me very well.
Stan, she knows she’s mistaken. She admits the technology — if it’s used against Chavez. Best to ignore her while you are bringing attention to the abuses.
She admits the technology…if it’s used against Chavez. Close enough. ????
She knows she’s mistaken. She admits the technology – if it’s used against Hugo Chavez. Close enough. ????
It’s certainly revealing. I guess there’s something about the ‘target’ that doesn’t please her. But I was a journalist, and an early Wikileaks supporter, and…but the government wouldn’t waste its radio waves on me.
…or light waves I’d wager. Ha Ha. Just a little humorous “Full Spectrum Dominance Aside” ???? Strangely (?) enough my wife didn’t want to believe I was targeted AS GLEN JACOB and BRUCE have described it UNTIL THEY TARGETED HER AS WELL as Glen Jacob and Bruce have described it. Funny. Huh? ????
Honestly, not so funny. Very sad what they are doing to our country.
What she “admits” is the technology whereby an individual can be targeted from relatively close range to detect what they are typing into their computer. I don’t know whether this was done to Hugo Chavez, but he would be a plausible target.
That’s a far cry from all this touchless torture (frying your brains with satellite beams), stalking at work and home, pushing targets to suicide & the rest of the bullshit you freaks carry on about. There exists ZERO evidence that the NSA — or any other U.S. agency — does any of that to hordes of regular U.S. citizens.
Exactly. Period.
Best to ignore her while you are bringing attention to the abuses.
I will, and thanks for saying I am bringing attention to some of these abuses. That is exactly what I am trying to do.
I eagerly await the advent of this “evidence” you speak of. No doubt it will be independently verifiable, not just anecdotes and/or comments from some website. Until then, yes, I will sleep soundly.
Perhaps the government justified a program where they transcribed all calls in bulk and searched them for target phrases under the same legal justification that allowed phone metadata to be captured? But now that Obama declassified the metadata program in response to the Snowden files and now that the courts ruled that program illegal, perhaps the program (if it existed) to transcribe all phone calls and search for target phrases would be considered illegal based on the recent court decision that ruled the collection of metadata illegal?
Certainly. Speech to Texting AND Retaining TRANSCRIPTS of verbal exhanges (VoIP
Skype ATT Verizon Sprint Google Yahoo, EVERY Cell Tower, EVERY microphone EVERY Splitters on the Internet backbone itself AND all LEO Fixed Mobile and Airborne Harris Stingrays DRTboxes etc) would be wholesale collection of TRANCRIPTS of the CONTENTS of all or most of OUR phone conversations. You know those calls they never “LISTEN” to? I mean once they are able to spoof your voice (authentication factors anyone? using their enormous sample on you why not save some money and server space withe their AllText equivalents? ????
Hey Mona,
Do you believe Occupy Black Lives Matter Anti War and Tar Sands Environmental Activists
have been targeted using JTRIG exploits and/or the (December 2013) ANT catalogs RF Reflectors and “Angry Neighbor” set of hardware exploitation tools as Jacob Applebaum and Bruce Schneir have described them?
If Jacob Applebaum argues that they have been so targeted, I’d heavily tend to accept it is very likely. You have a link?
Mona,
What if I told you that the NSA had a specialized technology that
beamed energy into you and the computers around you…? ????
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/venezuela/472/chavez-killed-by-nsa-jacob-appelbaum-at-ccc-chaos-communication-congress/28279/#.VXhWbW5z7Es.mailto
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I’ve already read Jake on that topic in his original article. I follow Jake on Twitter and read almost everything he writes — unless it is a geek article in geekspeak for fellow techies. The article continues:
That the NSA would want to use something like that to target the computer of, say, Hugo Chavez, seems entirely plausible. Moreover, Jake has proof the tech exists.
Third posting attempt on this thread. Reading since the inception of The Intercept. Have posted before successfully. Only use real name. No links included. Email address confirmed.
June 10, 2015
Target Selection
A new article at CounterPunch about the recently-passed “USA Freedom Act” describes one of the ways an individual can be flagged as a potential target by bureaucrats in the U.S. surveillance state:
“… the screaming headlines about the cell phone spying ignored the most important and frightening aspect of the story: the coordination among the various capture programs. It is here that the weakness of the Freedom Act measures becomes obvious. The problem isn’t that everyone is targeted, the problem is who the real targets are.
For example, the government detects an email from you to someone in France that uses the word “protest”. You are now tagged and your data is put into a database for analysis: basically a quick review of what you’ve written. According to [NSA whistle-blower] Edward Snowden, the analyst decides whether the email is worth investigation and may then authorize a “data match” across all the programs of data-capture. The analyst then pulls all your stored files captured by a program like PRISM (which captures data from servers), all your search patterns from Google search and all the phone numbers you’ve called on your cell. There is a lot more the analyst can tap but that’s just a basic example.
If the analyst finds anything suspicious, your case will be kicked up to a senior analyst (like Snowden before he jumped sides) who determines whether an investigative file should be opened. If you are assigned a file, your information is shared among about 140 intelligence and law enforcement agencies. Most of the time, they do nothing with this information but they have it stored and organized: ready for use if you do something the government wants to stop.” [emphasis added]
The process Lopez describes is disturbing enough – including, for example, the huge number of government entities involved; however, that scenario is only one of the various ways a person can show up on Big Brother’s radar. A more sinister route involves someone with connections to the law enforcement and intelligence industry serving-up someone to be considered as a potential target, sometimes for a personal vendetta or corporate agenda. This scenario was mentioned in a February 2011 article for the Guardian. Investigative reporter James Ridgeway described how corporations target people with what is, in effect, a secret private law enforcement system:
“The private detective firms working for corporations can develop information against their own targets and find eager recipients among federal and local law enforcement agencies, some of whose employees end up retiring into private-sector detective work. The corporate spy business thus amounts to a shadow para-law enforcement system that basically can get around any of the safeguards set out in the American legal system; it ought to be subject first to transparency, and then to banning.”
Some of the accounts in the “Published News Reports” section of this website (on the What is “Gang Stalking?” page) allude to that kind of targeting. In the past two years I have also received – via this website – countless anecdotal reports of similar experiences.
Equally sinister is the well-documented secret targeting of individuals for research purposes – most notably, the CIA’s infamous “Program MKUltra,” and the targeting of individuals for political thought crimes and activism – most notably, the FBI’s COINTELPRO operations.
Finally, there are persons targeted in an apparent combination of punishment and experimentation, such as the case chronicled in the recently-published book CHAMELEO (the subject of my March 8 post).
Most of the discussion of the USA Freedom Act barely scratches the surface.
Google FightGangStalking dot com
Punishment & experimentation. Yep. I’m living it.
I’ll tell Them to stop if you leave. Promise.
No one would bother chasing me around the comment board if you weren’t being paid for it. Please note readers. Mona’s activities here undermine Greenwald’s reputation.
He’s deeply concerned about his reputation in the Targeted Individual community. Well, actually, he would be if he got really drunk while shooting heroin and snorting coke.
Please note readers. NameWithheld is a loon.
“Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in “false flag operations” to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that.”
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
Monkey see, monkey do dan.
Clearly, the FISA court can authorize, among other things, transcription by 800 monkeys sitting at typewriters:
Fake mobile phone towers operating in the UK Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1499258/fake-mobile-phone-towers-operating-in-the-uk
Time for everyone to use red phone and encryption to protect privacy.
“There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”
Excellent article and a disclosing comment section.
Some people believe in multiple universes and add time to the standard three dimensions
http://www.superstringtheory.com/experm/exper5.html
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Why is time a dimension?
According to Isaac Newton, time was universal for all objects no matter their motion relative to one another. This point of view held until Einstein turned it on its head, because he was bothered that it wasn’t consistent with the propagation of light as electromagnetic radiation.
Einstein’s special theory of relativity, which makes classical mechanics consistent with classical electromagnetism, treats time like a coordinate in a unified spacetime geometry. If time is a coordinate, then instead of three coordinates to describe a point in space, we have four coordinates to describe an event in spacetime. So that’s what is meant by saying that our spacetime has four dimensions. Usually we label them (t,x,y,z).
Special relativity is an approximate theory that is a good approximation when we can neglect the force of gravity and the acceleration of observers in the system. Einstein’s full theory of spacetime, called general relativity, takes the concept of a four dimensional spacetime and extends it to a curved spacetime, where time and space make one united fabric that is curved and stretched and twisted by the distribution of matter and energy in the fabric.
From a mathematical point of view, both special and general relativity can be extended easily to higher space dimensions. If we have D dimensions of space and one time, then we say there are d = D + 1 dimensions of spacetime. The equations of motion can be solved and classified in d dimensions just like in four spacetime dimensions.
Why have more dimensions?
It’s not so hard to construct higher dimensional worlds using the Einstein equations. But the question is then: WHY BOTHER?
It’s because physicists dream of a unified theory: a single mathematical framework in which all fundamental forces and units of matter can be described together in a manner that is internally consistent and consistent with current and future observation.
And it turns out that having extra dimensions of space makes it possible to build candidates for such a theory.
Extra dimensions in string theory
Superstring theory is a possible unified theory of all fundamental forces, but superstring theory requires a 10 dimensional spacetime, or else bad quantum states called ghosts with unphysical negative probabilities become part of the spectrum.
Now this creates a problem in d=10 string theory: how to get the d=4 world as we know it out of the theory.
So far there are two main proposals:
1. Roll up the extra dimensions into some very tiny but nonetheless interesting space of their own. This is called Kaluza Klein compactification.
2. Make the extra dimensions really big, but constrain all the matter and gravity to propagate in a three dimensional subspace called the three brane. (For an analogy, your computer screen could be said to be a two brane of three dimensional space.) These types of theories are called braneworlds.
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Some people believe aliens are interterrestical (fallen angels).
So much to think about when you see something that is unexplained or unidentified.
Mad scientists come to mind.
System and Method of Automated Model Adaptation
US 20150066502 A1
http://www.google.com/patents/US20150066502
What was that general’s name? The one who told your friend that the film “Enemy of the State” is actually how intelligence works?
System and method for automated voice message transcription and delivery
US 20030220784 A1
http://www.google.com/patents/US20030220784
IBM Patents in Speech Recognition and Synthesis
http://www.research.ibm.com/hlt/html/body_patents.html
Most assuredly the NSA has bulk capability to automatically transcribe audio into text and identify individual voices.
Google patents show multiple patents awarded for automatic bulk transcription of voice to text. I tried posting them but the site wouldn’t allow them.
http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search
If you haven’t figured it out yet, often the commenting software will not accept multiple links in a comment. But no one is “disallowing” any links.
System and method for automated voice message transcription and delivery
US 20030220784 A1
http://www.google.com/patents/US20030220784
System and Method of Automated Model Adaptation
US 20150066502 A1
http://www.google.com/patents/US20150066502
Related: System and methods for providing voice transcription
US 20100228546 A1
http://www.google.com/patents/US20100228546
Off site voice enrollment on a transcription device for speech recognition
US 6477493 B1
https://www.google.com/patents/US6477493
Related:
System and methods for providing voice transcription
http://www.google.com/patents/US20100228546
Apparatus, system, and method for voice chat transcription
US 8478598 B2
http://www.google.com.ag/patents/US8478598
Speech to text conversion
US 6173259 B1
http://www.google.com/patents/US6173259
IBM Patents in Speech Recognition and Synthesis
http://www.research.ibm.com/hlt/html/body_patents.html
Many of these are years old. Generally speaking, no one in mainstream media has really followed these types of tech advances through the following of patents.?
“And of course there’s no external oversight.”
What could possibly go wrong?
Mona admitted it: She believes in UFOS! So that’s why she’s obsessed with aliens.
To be fair, and unidentified flying object is just that, something flying that is not readily identified. She may not believe aliens are behind or within it, she may think more earthly and secret military operations are the cause.
I ‘know’ intuitively that what I saw was not anything from this planet, and if the military had one they certainly wouldn’t keep losing wars or sending drones to butcher innocent and defenseless people – there would be such an obvious dominance of technology that no one would challenge the operator. But it seemed peaceful, almost tranquil, as it passed over me, no vibe of a threat at all.
But Mona is only saying there are flying things she’s seen that she couldn’t identify. Don’t get your hopes up for more than that from her.
Exactly.
I ‘know’ intuitively that what I saw was not anything from this planet…
Mona, aren’t you going to call her crazy?
Cindy doesn’t obsessively rant about this topic at TI. Indeed, I had not known she believes this, because she’s never brought it up before.
I believe she saw something. I also think her conjecture as to what it was, and its characteristics, is almost certainly false. But I’m not going to bug her about it because she doesn’t inject it gratuitously into comments here.
That is, she’s not a rude freak like you who can’t take the hint that Glenn and other writers here don’t want your brand of shit flooding the comments.
BTW, below you claimed:
And I asked you which general that was. Well?
Cindy, if you are actually entering the field of psychology I highly recommend Carol Smith’s widely hailed piece On the Need for New Criteria of Diagnosis of Psychosis in the Light of Mind Invasive Technology Should you read it you’ll be ahead of most therapists and will be of more help to someone who comes in to you and complains they are being covertly attacked.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/on-the-need-for-new-criteria-of-diagnosis-of-psychosis-in-the-light-of-mind-invasive-technology/7123
That woman’s name is nowhere found at the site of the UK ejournal in which it supposedly first appeared.
Anyway, who does she have in mind with this?
What sinister and secret societies?
And also, what was that general’s name?
Every flying object I have ever seen is one I haven’t identified.
http://JohnAllman.UK
Everybody “believes in” Unidentified Flying Objects. Very few, however, believe these UFOs are alien spaceships. Just sites like your friends at Whattoknow.com
Well, I believe what I saw was extraterrestrial, FWIW.
And I’ve been thru a year of psychoanalysis (we have to, to get qualified).
Ah, well… None of this is meant to excuse anything, it just seemed relevant.
Ut oh!
>”Everybody “believes in” Unidentified Flying Objects.” ~ Mona
Only after I’ve identified a UFO do I believe it!
You can’t really trust (*believe in) what you see (or hear for that matter.) anyway, Mona. Only if it agrees with a predetermined truth. Such are accurate opinions, correct theories, scientific discoveries, inventions and so on.
*For example, looking out from my cave in the heart of Appalachia the earth appears flat … but when I levitate to sub-orbit altitude the world is clearly round.
If you see something up in the sky and it moves? That’s the *definition* of a UFO (ie, Unidentified Flying Object).
The minute you identify it as a bird, a balloon, a weather balloon, an aircraft, a drone, time travelers from the planet MuzuBatu X379, a hobby rocket, a weather anomaly, or anything else, it ceases to be a UFO.
I’m pretty sure, definitionally, everyone must either ‘believe in’ UFOs or believe they know what they see in the sky, all the time.
Dunno why, but that’s been beggaring a reply for a while now.
Hey Mona,
Do you believe US Intelligence and Law Enforcement Agencies and their Private
Sector Compatriots have use JTRIG exploits
On Occupy Black Lives Matter Anti War and Environmental Activists as well as Journalists?
Hey Mona,
I read all day splitting my time between our Haight Ashbury condo in SF CA and our Farm House in Nevada City CA. I have relatives in the IC who have ribbed me about being targeted (I ran a government transparency project pursuant to an SF board of supervisors resolution. The city attorney signed off and advised. Then mayor Gavin Newsom signed off. We were collecting electronic records NSF PST SF databases Redacted Homeland Security Documents, Correspodence of elected and appointed officials in EVERY PART of SF GOVT). I was targeted with quite a few of those exploits Glenn revealed in the JTRIG documents. Back in 2010 (the same year the were ostensibly rolling those exploits out in the UK). Spoofed emails phone calls hijacked servers hijacked phones (for ourselves and our family friends and associates items magically appearing or disappearing from our websites or on line databases our call detail records were being modified receiving phone fake Facebook pages spoofed google searches loads of mysterious phone calls some death threats and on and on etc). At the time 2010 2011 we figured we’d pissed off some powerful people and they were simply retaliating by fucking with us. When we refid our condo to buy and trick out the farm house we were so paranoid we thought the powers that be would even intervene to mess up our two refis for the cash purchase and upgrades an repairs to that period farm house. That never came to pass but the point is WE BELIEVED IT MIGHT as far down the rabbit hole as we had gone. In 2013 we felt (to put it clearly) a sense of relief discovering they were actually TRACKING EVERYONE ON THE EFFING PLANET. We felt much less alone knowing we had ALOT OF COMPANY. Mona – do you believe JTRIG exploits have been used on targeted political activists like those in Occupy Wall Street Anti War Groups or Black Lives Matter Protesters?
I believe what’s reported here about the UK’s GCHQ JTRIG program here: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
I believe it because GCHQ would certainly do that, and there are documents showing that it does. Moreover, this online deception and disruption is entirely plausible.
Mona,
Indeed. Courtesy of our intrepid GG. ????
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.
Who does that sound like here?
And you and your pals should stop doing that. As one of you admitted I refute it, and that’s getting to be tedious.
Having taking a bit of time to demonstrate that the loons who settled in his comments are a handful of crazies who do not represent the regular TI readership, I must also add that Dan Froomkin wrote a very fine piece.
We ‘loons’ are The Intercept’s regular readership. If you think you’ve proved your point, I’m sorry to break your heart and inform you that you failed miserably. All you’ve done is polluted the comment section with pablum. You’re actually pretty bad at propaganda because you substitute noise for wit.
“We ‘loons’ are The Intercept’s regular readership.”
ROFL! Gods, I hope not!
Mona,
What is the benefit in throwing up straw men at NameWithheld, Stan, and RCL? While it is almost certain that there are paid agents commenting on TI, why not focus on how we can change corrupt power structures? Don’t feed the trolls, as some people say. What is the benefit in trying to demonize commenters that you cannot ostensibly prove are disinformation agents? Just curious.
R
Never seen you before here, Rose. But to answer your question: The notion that I think, have said — or that it is the case — that these freaks are anybody’s “disinformation agents” is mildly amusing.
Mona-
I have been here since the beginning but only recently started commenting, but that is neither here nor there.
I’m sorry that my question did not provoke any real consideration on your part. I guess my first question: “What is the benefit in throwing up straw men at NameWithheld, Stan, and RCL?” is more what I am curious about.
R
Rose my dear, the idea that I am “throwing up straw” at NameWithheld, Stan, and RCL is as almost as funny as the idea that they are somebody’s “disinformation agents.”
Mona-
Okay, fair enough that you find my questions amusing. I ask them because you are obviously intelligent, but I do not see the point in turning on fellow plebes over things that ultimately do not change or alter the terribly corrupt status quo and power structures.
People in power have been turning those not in power against themselves forever and today with the result of endless death and suffering. Also, I am not your diminutive “dear,” but I do empathize with you.
R
If you don’t think they are ‘disinformation agents’ then forgive me for saying you are being incredibly insensitive to the mentally ill. Or do you think they are nuisances with no agenda whatever?
(I say this not knowing what the hell they are, although their diatribes often occur when The Intercept is ‘on to’ something, so I lean slightly toward their being largely a tactical disruption – nonetheless some comments do indicate serious and sad delusion, and while this could be mimicry of the other sites you linked to, orthodox religious and other political manias are permitted here even by you, and it takes all sorts to make a world.)
Perhaps you’re into ‘tough love,’ or you just want to chase them away. If these people are just sick, all you’ve done is wind them up and distress them further, and if not all you’ve done is help them derail the comment section. Personally I think it best mostly to ignore them, but you might use your influence to get The Intercept to ban them if you really find them entirely unsympathetic and offensive figures.
That’s entirely possible, and I’ll admit to feeling a tad guilty — as if I were like those people who used to pitch pennies at the poor sods in Bedlam.
That said, many, many people in history have believed in delusions about devils, space aliens, and the like, but have otherwise behaved perfectly normally. It’s just this “thing” that happens in human culture.
But whatever, I dislike the idea that so many of these freaks so often settle into threads here. It could give ammunition to actual deep state propagandists. “See what Greenwald and The Intercept attract?”
“.. if you really find them entirely unsympathetic and offensive figures.” -cindy
If?
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/08/nsa-transcription-american-phone-calls/#comment-138920
“See what Greenwald and The Intercept attract?” This is my sneaking suspicion, also, that this is the purpose.
But if we’re both wrong, and they just need care, at least this discussion has revealed a heart beneath our joint frustration with it all.
Thanks for the response. I once saw a UFO, by the way. Cruising real slow, silent over my head.
@suave – yeah, that was an obvious spasm of disgusting anger on his part, and incidentally I find all mentions of Mona’s restricted lifestyle offensive, but Mona did indeed smack him around rather humiliatingly before that.
Mona, to be clear the UFO wasn’t just ‘above my head,’ which I realize now I implied, it was about 100 feet up, and huge – or twenty feet up and quite small. Hard to tell in the black of night. But I don’t assume people will believe me (though they mostly do), which is my point.
Cindy, I don’t disbelieve in Unidentified Flying Objects. Of course there have been those. I’ve even seen a flying object I could not identify a time or two.
I have three, possibly four, different reasons why I’d like to see each and all of those crap-flooder “Targeted” commenters out of here.
1) If they’re sick, then that would be doing them a favor. Begging/demanding, futilely, for attention from the writers at the Intercept, or anywhere. can’t be a healthy habit for the mentally ill to incessantly indulge. Being enablers for them is not something that I am wiling to do, and don’t believe that others should either.
2)The possibility that all that they are about is building this lie: “See what Greenwald and The Intercept attract?”
3)No matter what their reason for being here is, they frequently and rudely destroy comment threads that some author at TI has spent time researching for and writing in order to provide an article for readers around the world to read. The narcissism one possesses in order to feel free to rudely take over thread after thread is repulsive to me. As I have posted more than once before, quoting Woodrow Call of Lonesome Dove: “I Hate rude behavior in a man … won’t tolerate it.”
4)The venom coming from some of them is frequent and disgusting.
@Kitt –
Good. I think the culprits really need to see your points, if only to get a clearer idea of how they’re perceived in real time.
I bet the NSA does transcribe all calls but even further, has a voice print identification system so it can tell exactly who is talking to who, even on burner phones.
Great article Glen!
I am sure Glenn thinks Dan wrote a great article!
Dan is probably disappointed with the comments. Sure, some of us get a bit overly technical, but why did those loons choose this article?
Dunno Apologies Mr Froomkin. lol
The grooves in their heads told them to.
For more than one good reason, my intention is not to start an argument with “Mona”-like individuals here, who have the tendency of attributing ideas, feelings and intentions to people, speaking for and even diagnosing them as “paranoid” (which is BTW a technical/medical term)
I know well what Stan is talking about. For those of you who don’t, here is a thorough stream of consciousness about what is like to have been “targeted”:
// __ Zersetzung made in U.S.A.
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/zersetzung-made-in-u-s-a/
I hope “Mona”-like individuals can see that all statements I wrote in that short document are falsified. They have also made a number of general points, which I would like to elaborate on:
I use my full name and always have when I post comments out there:
https://id.theguardian.com/profile/rclopez
with the exception of when they banned me from the guardian:
https://id.theguardian.com/profile/GiovannidiPietro0714
Simply because nowadays privacy is a silly illusion (not because I am claiming some sort of celebrity status).
Glenn (definitely someone to be taken as a reference) apparently has removed some of my comments as I hear other people complaining about as well. Sometimes it is not clear to me why “he” does that. I say apparently and “he”, because when you have been targeted it is hard to know for sure. You must turbo-charge your perception of reality and bring your consciousness to another level, which in itself is not bad at all. However, I don’t take it as being “shit-canned” by him or anyone, nor do I lose my sleep over it and if I am “shit-canned” that is OK with me; definitely much, much better than becoming a politician, police, snitch, starting to consider targeted people to be “poor paranoid souls” without having been and walked on their shoes …
Also, let’s not forget that many of those who were considered to be “paranoid freaks”, “tin hats” … are the same ones who had been trying to raise to general consciousness those very abuses exposed by Snowden.
Satyagraha,
RCL
Been missing you RCL. I have read about your own Zersetzung experience and want to meet you some day to compare notes. Do you think that would be worthwhile? If so, it could be arranged.
Are we talking here about some “Under Zersetsung anonymous” kind of thing? ;-)
Actually, as you have, I have also thought of that. But I think it would be much better for us (I know of other people under Zersetsung as well) “to meet the press” and/or write a book with our experiences. Probably vignettes describing our experiences and/or we could use an editor/writer who knows about that kind of [email protected] (all of it can be done online). Probably answers to a battery of general questions and a short autobiographical Zersetsung memoir; a bit of why you think this is important …
It makes me angry noticing how technical people cynically see mere mortals as stupid anyway and don’t make an effort to explain to people there is a lot they can do. I see it as our moral responsibility to expose them and in the mean time all we can do is question, debase and curse those emming effing morons whenever we have a chance to do so even if we are called “poor paranoid souls”.
RCL
Yes, yes! Go do that. All of you. Now!
Let the project consume all of your time.
So odd that Mona’s consumed by our claims and the desperate need to destroy our reputations. Where have I heard of this before? Oh, yes, here it is: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
Yup, I’m a covert agent, give free reign to operate here. Doesn’t that tell you all you need to know about this place? You should leave this evil, deep-state site.
@NameWithheld 09 Jun 2015 at 3:23 pm,
Neither Mona nor any other American psychopath can destroy my reputation. In fact, they’ve been quite busy enhancing it for years.
“But I think it would be much better for us (I know of other people under Zersetsung as well) “to meet the press” and/or write a book with our experiences.”
Have you reached out to Glenn Beck? I imagine he’d love to work with you.
> RCL: Are we talking here about some “Under Zersetsung anonymous” kind of thing?
No, but good idea. The problem would be keeping the rats out, but I’m sure we’d be proficient.
I simply want to meet you and hear your entire story, and tell you mine. I assume any veteran target would want to meet others in similar circumstances, for many reasons. Having allies is good, but they can’t be vetted over the internet.
Also, if I recall correctly from my reading the longer version of your Zersetzung story in May, you mentioned being harmed by EM emissions and other somewhat exotic weaponry. I want to see proof. I’ve been dismissing others for going on about this, at the risk of being wrong. If I’ve been wrong, I have not only abused them, but hurt myself. On the other hand, if they are fake, exposing them renders one more time wasting, public-distracting disinfo tactic ineffective. (If they are fake, they are the enemy, and must not be mistaken for anything but.)
I can meet you in your neighborhood. I buy you a coffee in a public place and we see how it goes. Others I have approached with this request have refused, confirming my suspicions about them. Will you meet me? Just say yes or no… If yes, we’ll work out the details later, and elsewhere.
Thank you Richardo Camilo Lopez. I have not read your story but will make a point of it. Here is my own, though the last year has brought many new chapters: http://tinyurl.com/ozc3gpg
Mona, Kitt, Nate and a few others here are paid to sow confusion and disinformation, as are many of the sites Mona cites as allegedly written for ‘targeted individuals.’ Even Stan, whom I genuinely believe is harassed, dismisses those of us who have experienced the burn of the new electromagnetic weapons, microwaves and even bioagents. But none of these allegations would surprise anyone who has scant knowledge of what the CIA did during MKUltra — shock, radiation and drugs were all used 50 years ago. Why is it so hard to fathom that the intelligence services have only increased their usage? But they are very clever in that these weapons of ‘plausible deniability’ set the targets up to describe their experiences in ways that physicians have been taught to believe indicate delusion. These tactics are much more widespread than they were in the 70s and they will eventually be revealed. Someone who is working for that side will eventually wake up to their crimes and provide the evidence to some brave journalists, few of them as there are left today. If it is true that Snowden took 600K DOD documents, then the media already know and are sitting on the evidence. Shame on them if that is true.
You sound authentic, @Name, but I still distrust DEW reports. I’ve been a target for more than a dozen years; Mona’s allies have done some nasty shit to me, but I have not, to my knowledge, been burned. (Physically threatened, assaulted, and group-stalked… oh yes indeed.)
If the DEW reports are true, maybe I have not been attacked (maybe I have and don’t know it) in this way because I have been living most of the last fifteen years in Brazil, where deployment and use of such gadgetry might be more difficult. (But where patriot-rapists ‘take the gloves off’ with more ease and impunity.)
As I keep saying, I’m asking for proof from you — and now, more politely, from RCL too — but you deny me the chance to see for myself.
Stan, there is no mistaking when one is burned with radio waves, shocked with electricity or hit by DEWs. Bioagents sprayed into a room and dropped from a vent above a top are a little trickier because you have to ascribe the subsequent symptoms to something that happened days earlier.
@NameW, You claim to be behind the tweets of the same twitter account @SmedleyButler referred me to when I was attempting to set up a meeting with him. This begs the polite question: are you both owners of that twitter account? I also note your initials are ‘EC’ the username of another commenter who has claimed to be a group-stalking target. This also begs polite questions…
American monsters have spent so many (tax) dollars and man/woman hours on me I have no doubt they’d go to quite extravagant lengths to waste my time with decoys. RCL would understand, I ‘think’.
Dear Elizabeth:
I am sorry you are going through this. The bad news is you or anyone who gets blacklisted (in my case I have been included in the FBI criminal index, as they even explicitly and officially let me know) and the good news is that you can take it as some sort of blessing (we are not their kind!).
As ancient wisdom says: “know thyself”. There is always a way for you to manage that [email protected] to some extent. In my case, my own spirituality, busy-bee mind and having lived like that all my life kinds of helps me.
Take it easy (at least try to) and take care,
RCL
I’m not a criminal so I don’t know how I could be in the ‘criminal index.’ But my website was ‘blacklisted,’ at least according to one advertising company who wanted to place ads on my site. I realize that I was surveilled at least 18 months before the assaults began. I believe they had hoped I was a hacker or member of Anonymous and when I wasn’t, decided to punish me extrajudicially for, well, I guess being informed.
Nor am I so you go figure. ;-)
Even though I would admit now I somehow like to be some nigga
RCL
You are both criminals until We say otherwise. Until then — ZAPPPP.
I think they do and I do not quite understand them (even if I don’t doubt their (TI) good intentions exposing governments corruption and bs)
I think The USG is totally out of control and if the way to bring it home to “the proles” and to themselves is to show them some video footage of, say, Michelle Obama fingering her husbands @ss (to put it in a crass, yet “proles-proof” clear way) then why not doing it? That is so easy! I am sure there must be such footage in those documents.
As John Oliver showed us in his great Anthropology, “responsible” media outlets have always had and still keep the upper hand on the rest of us. They still do. If the line in the sand for regular folks out there is keeping “dick pics” databases, then show, both, the proles and congress what they got about them. BTW they have always used those “tactics” to blackmail people who don’t play their game well.
We, technical and “smart” people in the know out there, don’t get that when you try to explain, say, cryptography to people they take it as if you were telling them the Pleiades in the constellation of Taurus will fart in the next half million years or so when the magnetic field of Earth reverses.
You have to talk to people in their own terms if you want for them to understand something (especially if it is something new). It is worrying that people care about “dick pics” when, as I see it, not only as entirely plausible, but “necessary” for them; USG’s sophistication has reached an entirely new level. In the same way that they are using APA to doctor their torture tools and sessions, they may, most probably, be keeping banks of people’s DNA in order to design customized drugs to mess with people. Why is it that in the “Patriot Act” provisions there are clauses specifying the gathering of everyone’s medical records? How is it your medical records relate to your moral and civic calls? Why is it that so-called “FISA courts” would even “decide” on that?
Satyagraha,
RCL
I do believe part of the problem in the media not investigating this story is most reporters that I have known have been science illiterates. I deduce that this has something to do with their disinterest/denial in the topic.
Richard, the weeks before a bioagent of some sort was aerosoled into my bedroom I had several objects purchased from my Etsy accounts. The aerosol did not affect someone else in the house as it did me, and so I began to suspect that the ordering of several different items was a way to cross reference my ‘DNA’ in order to concoct the agent. I still believe it. …Interestingly, the bioagent episode occurred during a period when my toilet all of a sudden would not flush properly. The aerosol spraying stopped immediately after I emailed the info to several people, but it wasn’t until I called a plumber to have a sewer cam used (no one could come out that day )that my toilet immediately began flushing properly again. And it was after that that brown fluid leaked into vent under toilet. As disgusting as that is to imagine, I have left it there for evidentiary purposes.
I am a former journalist; I’ll edit your book.
Name-
Just because Mona has great skepticism of you, Stan, and RCL certainly does not mean she is paid specifically to undermine your claims. There is no benefit on turning on fellow plebes just because you cannot convince them of your statements. It is likely that there are agents that are paid to comment specifically at TI, but by making baseless accusations, you only further alienate people who do not presently believe your claims.
It is almost certain that COINTELPRO is alive and thriving even more now. But what makes you so sure that Snowden took any documents related to that? People can not know what they do not know, so why do you have such confidence that Snowden knew about THAT specifically and took it? Looking forward to your response.
R
Rose — I think the question about ‘baseless accusations’ and ‘alienating people’ would be better directed at Mona.
Regarding whether Snowden’s trove includes info on current Cointelpro I don’t know, but with reports that included in his haul were 600k DOD docs, and with recent release of slide illustrating five levels of surveillance and collaboration, it seem implausible to me that the docs don’t include reference to the campaigns.
Now seriously dude, I’d just lie to her — and if she persisted I’d have My Superiors bounce more radio emission off the ionosphere into her brain. Because as you so perceptively pointed out: “Mona, Kitt, Nate and a few others here are paid to sow confusion and disinformation, as are many of the sites Mona cites as allegedly written for ‘targeted individuals.’”
Rose, thank you for your civility. My reason for believing that Mona is paid is because if you notice she is the one who attacks every statement by individuals complaining of covert abuse. She responds and refutes every statement and does it using vulgarity and verbal abuse. This is not the behavior of an ordinary commenter, one who engages for an exchange of ideas. Mona and Kitt’s attacks go well beyond academic or political debate.
But the salient point is, I do refute these unhinged statements, admits the delicate flower who called me a bitch and told me to get raped.
I think it’s pretty obvious that you are a bitch. I said nothing about ‘rape.’ But of course that’s part of your JTRIG work here.
@Mona-10 Jun 2015 at 12:41 am,
I am the one to told you to ‘go get raped, then shut the fuck up about… it because people might think you are crazy’.
I was asking you to put yourself in my shoes. I was sexually assaulted in a medical lab by the very same people you are helping — like the hideous little american patriot you are.
Of course you must. You and your friends have clearly a great talent for “turbo-charging” your perceptions of reality.
How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
That article was authorized by Us. You, however, are unauthorized, and if you stay I will fry your brain remotely. Again.
‘Us?’ Funny, I don’t see your name on the website’s virtual masthead.
Oh my dear, We did NOT authorize them to put Our names on the masthead; We are covert as you noted by citing that article. Here to make sure they don’t let you people expose The Truth.
Increasingly you show your irrational desperation. I will continue to post here but I will not waste my time indulging you. You are a waste of time.
Oh for sure man. *I* am irrational, says the guy who directs me to a site about kids who were pilots in WWII — in a previous life — and promotes films about space aliens visiting us.
You don’t disbelieve in ufos!
Of course I don’t disbelieve in Unidentified Flying Objects. The U.S. Airforce coined the term in the 50s to mean: “any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features, does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be positively identified as a familiar object.”
Airforce pilots used to report a number of these — but did not identify them as alien spaceships. Most such sightings were eventually explained, and quite conventionally.
. . . S U P I D I T Y . . what is yesterdays phone call worth?.? Depending on how you Twist it?.? T R U T H . skip every third word – 1+1 now = 7.. don’t you remember what you said two weeks ago?? ABSURD ?? depending whose pulling the strings. WAR ? based on lies? ELECTIONS thrown out for appointment(s)?? N.A.F.T.A.
jobs given away ….to lower ?? wages?? living standards?? No new rights – – rights lost……. Police?? to protect and serve?? Politicians?? An honor to serve the people?? Just do as you are told – No Questions?? Its A SECRET
Actually the answer is they are not recording and transcribing your phone calls, but everyone else’s or probably a more interesting preoccupation you may tax your mind with is: If a tree falls in the forest and no one ever hears, sees it … Did it really fall?
// __ GOP Rep. Mike Rogers: ‘You Can’t Have Your Privacy Violated If You Don’t Know It’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6knaMsSefEY
If you want to you could consider me an anti-NSA/USG b#llsh!t evangelist of some sort (their choice, I have been “targeted” by the USG) and after I posted comments explaining to people that cell phones are being used as fatal modern day prison bracelets by the USG for you and your people/family:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/08/u-s-government-designated-prominent-al-jazeera-journalist-al-qaeda-member-put-watch-list/#comment-131101
They noised my phone. I have had to use the phone at church to conduct work interviews
“The extent of its use”? of -our- use?
The scary thing is how easily -it- can be done, so: “Sniff it all, Know it all, Collect it all, Process it all, Exploit it all, Partner it all.” ™
Not that I and trying hard to understand those USG morons, but I don’t get them. If they -targeted- me why do they noise my phone? They should actually encourage me to use it … shouldn’t they?
I do know for sure they transcribe then automatically, using their kinds of snitching folks and/or both ways
Politicians, police love how malleable language is.
Satyagraha,
RCL
Whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg,June 9th 2015:
“The fact remains that the existing surveillance apparatus today is able to determine the exact whereabouts of hundreds of thousands people – Muslims, people from the Middle East, dissidents, and so on. I think that if there were a second 9/11, they would end up in camps overnight, like the Japanese in the United States during World War II. We have created the infrastructure of a police state.”
https://machtelite.wordpress.com/2015/05/02/die-hilflosesten-nsabnd-apologeten-im-uberblick-jasper-von-altenbockum/
Glenn, no offense, but when are you going to be up front about the fact that you work for Brazilian intelligence? Just curious and like I said, no offense intended.
Ooo, that sounds like a movie that needs making! Glenn Greenwald of the ABIN! Code name: ABIN Sur!
“My name is Wald. Glenn Green…Wald.”
NSA will keep breaking laws because there is no punishment to deter it from carrying out illegal acts. If anyone goes to jail it will be low level functionaries, usually for minor transgressions. The senior guys will either get promoted or move on to highly lucrative jobs with contractors. Clapper has his middle finger raised in salute whenever he drives by the Capitol. The Freedom Act should have specified mandatory jail term without bail if any violation was discovered.
The fact that irks me is that NSA spends all my family members’ hard-earned tax money in a totally useless adventure. I am myself obliged to all you guys for funding my pension, but the rest of my family members pay a lot of tax for this extravaganza that is doing nothing concrete for us, not even an ounce of notional security.
Erin Burnett gets this former FBI agent to reveal they record all calls (in case the link doesn’t print, search youtube for Commentary on Tim Clemente on Erin Burnett – Outfront CNN) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFnCe0gTh1Y
While the lessors bicker over who is doing what, Trolls, China, Pentagon, Drones, ISIL, ISIS, etc. One this is CERTAIN, In the USA all domestic investigations by the FBI or SS regardless of how small are ran dual, topside and bottomside. Federal prosecutors know this and are for the most part complicit. Every known contact of a person under investigation is targeted electronically including the lawyers contracted to represent the person under investigation. The NSA mechanism is only a service provider to ALL of the other government agencies and CORPORATIONS who benefit from the intelligence. Mr. Greenwald could blow the lid off if he would only dig a little deeper into the material he has in his possession. Voice recognition is more than just transcribing voice to text and incepting a specific communication, it is the positive identity of the person speaking once you are known and in the “system”.
Mr. Greenwald could blow the lid off if he would only dig a little deeper into the material he has in his possession.
After two years one has to conclude that Mr. Greenwald doesn’t want to ‘blow the lid off’ this reality, or that he has made an agreement not to with Omyidar. He has admitted that he made agreements with Omyidar before he went forward with this venture.
And you are correct that ALL communications of targets are intercepted. I tried to explain that to a lawyer who is suing the city of Chicago on behalf of some cops for corruption and he looked incredulous. Note to the public: if your civil rights lawyer doesn’t understand that his communications are being intercepted, he isn’t much of a lawyer.
That is as true as all of your bizarre, paranoid bullshit claims.
I’ll find the source of this information. While looking, I came across this interesting link: https://www.corbettreport.com/secrets-for-sale-the-greenwaldomidyarnsa-connection/
A very good way to spend your time. Also, I think you would find the Corbett Report a very congenial Internet home; you should leave this dank place of statist horror and move over there.
Sorry, Mona, your wish is not my command.
MY wish!? You said you’d find the source; I merely endorsed the idea. And I endorse all of you who’ve suggested writing books and stuff about your travails. You should all do that. Now. Exclusively — until you’ve taken the evil motherfuckers down.
jgreen7801 –
Like you I’m disappointed in The Intercept’s response to the Freedom Act, but unlike some others I don’t believe this is because of The Intercept being compromised such that they are *deliberately* supportive of the authoritarian and corrupted establishment. I think it’s simply because, like prize fighters getting too comfortable with their cushy lives, the enigmatic main attraction writers here are getting flabby and out of condition, *unwittingly* pulling their punches and not being really always hungry for devastating (in this case linguistic) victory over their ruling class opponents. Most writers here aren’t even used to kicking ass at all, though they could contribute way better if they tried, in my opinion, as there is a lot of talent. Certainly I’m alarmed at the retardedly goofy anti-Russian propaganda published here, which seems deliberately and conspicuously establishmentarian, but it’s quite rare – at least presently.
To his credit, Greenwald lately seems less impressed than naïve Mr. Snowden about the Freedom Act, but he’s still annoyingly triumphant in a subtle way – though this could be due to understandable pride and/or protectiveness toward Snowden, who is obviously not just a source but a dear friend to Glenn (this is no excuse, but it may be an explanation). Froomkin for his part appears to be in his own little world, but he often does, desperately trying to protect most Democrats from appearing too corrupt and Republican (hint, Dan: the ship has sailed).
However, you might be interested in this slightly-imperfect article by Michael Brenner, which echoes some of your concerns along with mine:
An excerpt –
“The United States Freedom Act does not trouble Intelligence agency leaders. They have widely assumed, as admitted in private statements, that the compromise provisions merely create a few procedural inconveniences that could be circumvented or neutralized by exploiting loopholes – no more than speed bumps. None of the Agency’s core activities would be significantly affected. So there is no reason for anyone in the intelligence agencies to sweat the small stuff: a shift in the number of days the NSA can retain the sweepings of Metadata collection; or whether the data should be held at their storage lock-up or the one across the street protected by a bicycle lock and owned by a very accommodating neighbor? And who’s checking, anyway — the FBI? the FCC?”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brenner/the-nsas-second-coming_b_7535058.html
A great article, but really, given the job China has been doing on hacking into the Pentagon, various corporate and governmental venues, and most recently the OPM, it really appears that National Security should be offshored to them, the way all the other jobs, technology and investment is offshored to them, and increasingly so, after each time they have done one of those so-called hacks the government continues to scream about!
But wait, if after each so-called hack, more jobs, more technology and more investment (and allowing them to purchase more American real estate) are offshored to them, then maybe they really aren’t doing anything wrong as far as the elites are concenrned, maybe elements within the government are helping them to copy all this data?
Just stating the obvious. . . .
And thanks for a super article!
It’s amazing how much you can tell about a person from their comments. Mona, you are a deeply angry person probably stemming from your own bizarre upbringing and now disability. These experiences also give you an amazing sense of entitlement — like you are the person to whom everyone needs to bow to just because poor Mona is disabled.
The fact that Glenn Greenwald has hundreds of thousands of documents, apparently 600K of them from the DOD, and he is not investigating or revealing these claims strongly suggests that he is bought and paid for by Omidyar. You keep thinking there’s ONE person here commenting about these abuses but there are at least a half dozen commenting regularly, and others have popped in. You also seem to think that only commenters read The Intercept. There are other JOURNALISTS who read it and maybe one of them will finally get off their lazy asses and figure out that there’s something to this story. But you should really keep your nose where it belongs and that apparently is up Glenn’s ass and fighting the good fight against Zionists. Stay the fuck away from this topic if it bothers you so much.
Oh FFS, so your one of those Twitter wackjobs who noted some tweet long ago when I referenced being disabled.
Look you freak, you and the other “targeted individuals” are fucking deranged loons who have been banned here more than once, but you all keep creating more new accounts — in total disrespect of Glenn Greenwald’s wishes.
Um, “your” = “you’re.”
Does the Agency pay well to post
Disinformation?
Now you’ve gone and done it little man. Ima gonna have “them” bounce radio waves off of the ionisphere and microwave your brain from afar.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Mona, do you believe that “targeted individuals” exist?
Do you believe J. E. Hoover’s COINTELPRO stalking and harassment program was outed in 1971? Do you naively believe the Church hearings did squat to kill it?
Do you believe that the US went on a torture binge after Sept. 11 2001?
Do you deny your country has tortured many people?
Do you believe that some of the people your country tortured could have been ‘US Persons’ — as if that made your country’s crimes somehow more excusable?
Do you have a fucking brain, Mona? Or are you just another brainwashed American… see no evil, hear no evil, but be really, really evil?
Correction:
“…made your country’s crimes somehow more excusable…” ->
“…made your country’s crimes somehow less excusable…”
Last thing, Mona… You make a big deal about targets ‘not being loved’… More BS on your part. I am not in the least interested in what any American thinks of me. Not one; I don’t have to. So I don’t need TI journos to love me either. I am simply asking them to do their job. (You seem invested in them not doing just that.)
It is simple: Regardless of what ignorant and evil Americans like you think, exposing routine stalking and torture is of far, far greater public interest than the subject of the theft and transcription of personal data. Serious investigation of the theft and transcription of personal data is certainly desired. But torturers probably use the metadata and voice transcriptions to study and track their targets, and aid them in the design of customized torture routines. If TI journos don’t dig into this, they are definitely not earning their paychecks.
I don’t want to be loved by monsters, Mona. I want (1) the stalking and torture and interference to stop, and (2) justice. If you won’t help, shut the fuck up. No, better yet, go get raped then shut the fuck up about it… People might think you’re crazy!
Some people just refuse to accept that “Enemy of the State” was not a documentary.
Actually a friend whose father was a General told her that ‘Enemy of The State’ was an accurate portrayal of an intelligence campaign. She is among the handful who have never doubted my reports of abuse.
Which general is that?
And I have yet to see that movie but she was the one who told me I should get it and watch it.
“Actually a friend whose father was a General told her that ‘Enemy of The State’ was an accurate portrayal of an intelligence campaign.”
I bet he did. I totally believe you associate with Generals’ daughters.
I can only wonder what information NameWithheld and Stan might possess that would motivate the government of the United States to launch a long-term ongoing multi-faceted high-tech operation to give them a headache and a bad sunburn. Oh, and to put grooves in their heads to mind-control them with. Let that be a lesson to you, don’t mess around with Generals’ daughters. And you might want to stop frequenting subversive sites like The Intercept; that’ll go in your dossier for sure.
I would add, many of you “Targeted Individuals” need professional help. Poor souls like this:
But this is not a problem that a site like this is dedicated to.
I didn’t see anything that sounded ‘crazy’ in what you posted — none of which is what I’ve posted. You have zilch education on the topic but pretend to know it all.
I’ve been posting here for months under this name and Glenn has not banished me. So….
You are working hard on behalf of someone to halt exhortations to investigate these claims. I could list 15-20 legitimate links here but why bother when you have zero interest in the truth and only shutting down the conversation. You are as evil.
Not that account name, no. But he has shit-canned numerous of you and your pals who simply return, using the same moniker, a slightly modified one, or a brand new name.
He has made it absolutely clear — and so did Micah Lee and at least one other writer here — that they don’t want this crap in their comments. But you insist on spewing it anyway.
As disrespectful as y’all are paranoid freaks.
I have not seen anywhere where it’s been made ‘absolutely clear’ that they don’t want ‘this crap in their comments.’
And it’s interesting Mona that despite saying you really are sick of the comments that you brought three huge blocks of type from a different site that has no bearing on anything I’ve written here. So why are you polluting the comments with the comments you claim to despise? Is it because you would like to try to convince readers that we’re crazier than we sound? If you don’t want these comments here, it seems the last thing you would do is bring three huge blocks of text from a different site and ‘plant’ them here.
Who me? No, my good friend. I’m educating readers with the reporting at targetedinamerica.com/
Is there some site dedicated to the horrifying torments inflicted on Targeted Individuals that you feel does even better work?
“Is it because you would like to try to convince readers that we’re crazier than we sound?”
That is quite impossible.
Grooves! In my head!
@liberalrob
I know, right? When I read that “crazier than we sound” bit I really did LOL.
Yeah, so, I went looking for more “truth” about Targeted Individuals since you find me so uneducated, and found this also at http://www.targetedinamerica.com/
In the 1980s you’d be claiming to have been abducted by aliens who were tormenting you now. In the 1480s it would have been demons and devils. And none of it is the type of “problem” to which TI is dedicated.
That’s a start. Keep going. You’ve got a few more years to catch up with me.
The Intercept is a limited hangout, go figure. I guess that’s why we don’t see Poitras around these parts any longer. She wouldn’t take the deal offered by Omyidar.
Dude, I keep telling you that! This is the wrong place for you and your friends. Serious, serious deep-state shit going on here.
Leave….while you still can!
Wanttoknow.info is a reliable source that only uses articles in mainstream media and FOIA releases. Peruse the site and learn about all sorts of stuff. @Jeff_Kaye, who is an expert on the torture methods of the CIA, cited wanttoknow.info just yesterday in his Twitter feed. He does not link to anything that is not verifiable.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/nonlethalweaponsnewsarticles
http://www.wanttoknow.info/indexnewsarticles
Why thankee NameWithheld for the links to Wanttoknow. That site is every bit as credible as you imply. Why, I found this:
And according to your endorsed site that great film is brought to us by same folks who made this one, claiming that space aliens are here and that those who say so are ridiculed in a conspiracy to shut them up:
Yes, that’s just your kind of site. You and all your pals here should go over there and comment, and leave this horrible, CIA-run deep-state site.
We had one, or maybe two, bites of the apple, and we just wasted one on the recently passed and widely hailed USA Freedom Act. An Act which some have recognized was akin to putting super glue on a broken water main. I’m still wondering why TI was one of those who shamelessly supported the Act. Either TI is playing their cards close to their vest and have much more explosive revelations waiting in the wings(forgive the mixed metaphors), or, I have no idea of an otherwise. That’s one of the problems with jumping on bandwagons that other people are driving. Do you think picking the low hanging fruit like Section 215, and then only gaining minor concessions, is the way to turn this thing around? I’m just some poor schmuck with an opinion arrived at with limited information, but that doesn’t nullify that opinion. Section 702 and executive order 12333 seem much more pernicious to Democracy than 215 ever was, at least to this poor schmuck.
See comment immediately above for explanation as to why they embraced the Freedom Act.
“Collect it all,” says it all.
Great article Dan, thank you.
Question for you – do you think the NSA etc. is monitoring the British (and vice versa) and then sharing it back so the British can tell their public they’re only monitoring a subset (but in effect getting it all) within the 5 eyes to get around legal requirements? The only fly in the ointment is that there doesn’t seem to have been a law the U.S. Intelligence Establishment didn’t just give the finger to, redefine what it means to suit their operational desires and just do what they want…and so not have to worry about having to pass around information to squirm around legal issues.
Talking of selectors: The german parliament is still waiting for the american permission to invetigate the NSA/BND scandal:
“For some time now, politians in Berlin have been discussing whether the Federal Chancellery should hand over the so called “Selektorenliste” to parliament. This is a list of serch terms (selectors) which the BND used to spy on behalf of US intelligence. The Americans heve been following this debate with suspicion. “What the German Government is doing there is more dangerous than the Snowden revelations,” the US intelligence agency told BILD.”
https://machtelite.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/outraged-us-intelligence-chiefno-more-relying-on-the-germans/
SELECT is an SQL command. And I don’t think there’s a more common value to give it than SELECT *
Thanks for this series. I hadn’t looked at the other two articles until I read this, so some of this comment is about your two previous parts. In particular, interest in speech recognition came before the 1970s, and was an outgrowth of other types of sound recognition, distinctly military in nature, a long time ago. BBN (–>BBN Technologies), which is the company that originated the internet as well, was once an acoustics company.
The numeracy of these articles needs some help, and maybe that’s due to trying to read the documents without some of the background? The programs mentioned in the documents offered analysts the ability to sort through millions of cuts in a day per analyst. Here are the questions and information you need: All analog to digital style human content recognition (audio analysis, video analysis, precursor stuff to the more widely talked about things like face recognition and speech detection) uses some kind of hierarchical breakdown of the temporal material, in no small part because computers don’t do long term very well. So a movie is broken down into scenes, and then cuts, and then rushes, and then frames, etc. Audio is broken down into cuts and then cepstra, and then frequencies (by Fourier or wavelet analysis). The cuts of a speech audio stream are, when done ideally, clips of each time each speaker speaks. There are easily a hundred of these in a reasonable length phone call, but even if there were say 50, “millions” = between 1 and ten million, otherwise braggers say “tens of millions” so say 5. That means at 50 cuts per call, 100,000 calls per day. No information is extant on whether or not that’s the total extent of the program or the amount available to each analyst, and you need that before you can say whether massively bulk transcription is going on. Perspective on 100,000 phone calls per day is that it’s the call content of about 6 cellular towers per day.
Another thing that seems to pervade your analysis (all three articles) is the notion of keyword searches, whereas it really looks like well before that, the goal is voice print analysis — trying to identify the caller, and to search on caller or callers. That kind of “preliminary intelligence” is as common to these problems as dividing the stream is.
Capabilities change all the time, so I’m not saying your fears about the future aren’t justified. They are. But you have to always remind yourself of how badly the computer technology works a lot of the time, and that it is genuinely irrational to believe that an organization is omniscient when you’ve seen no evidence that they make perfect choices.
Assisting Dan with the technical stuff is a great thing to do, but I am not sure that what you have written is easy enough to understand. I think your film analogy could be a bit confusing. You break a film in to successively shorter times slices, finally arriving at the frame, but with the audio, going from cuts to cepstra is something totally different. The cepstrum is the result of analysis, not mere time slicing. Rather, It is the inverse Fourier transform of the log of the frequency spectrum. That is, it results from further processing a power spectrum performed on some length on the signal by taking the Fourier transform and multiplying to get the power. Such processing has to be done on segments of signal a lot shorter than a cut if you want to identify syllables and then words.
But I doubt that this is how it is done these days. There is plenty of computing power now for audio processing. The filtering process the ear uses is fairly well understood, even to the point of understanding the feedback filter that allows wide dynamic range. I bet current speech analysis takes into account how the ear works and projects what the brain can do with the resulting signals. I do not think the NSA is publishing the results of its research, and so I think helping Dan out might be better done sticking to some more general ideas.
If you read what I wrote carefully, you’d be aware that the “time slices” I listed for video are also the results of analysis. My point, in part, anyway, was to let him know that the term “cut” was a term of art, the output of an analysis, and what it indicated. It is a subset of a call, in this case, and the number of subsets is high, and the subsets are arrived at by analysis, and the analysis also produces information that is used, sometimes in lieu of words in searches over a database.
But thanks for clarifying. I’d bet against the NSA directly mimicking brain processing of speech in any detail, though.
I read it carefully a few more times, and I am still do not see that in what you wrote.
I would to. The reason for using the ear/brain as a model is that it makes it easier to see what the brain can use and what it does not have access to, similar to what compression algorithms achieve by attempting to save bits by leaving out information that the ear/brain does not use.
Okay, I’ll explain it to you. Time slicing is a purely syntactic exercise. Dividing video into rushes, shots, and scenes has semantic content involvment, and is therefore the product of analysis of at least simple feature vectors (in the case of shots, depending on how the shot boundaries occur), or very much more complex feature vectors, transforms, and statistical analyses (in the case of scene boundaries).
What you know about what the brain has access to is extremely difficult to determine. For instance, because of the Nyquist frequency, the sampling rate for high quality digital audio is at 44K bps, in the belief that the top frequency is 20K and the bottom frequency is 15Hz. But people can perceive beats at frequencies which they can’t necessarily hear single tones, which are represented in the digital domain using frequency models that have a greater range, leading to the growth of other forms of audio digitization and even returns to vinyl.
That doesn’t even start to take account for the fact that very little of the brain is feed-forward, even though sensory information is often modeled that way, and that the only accounting that’s been done aggressively for what happens there has been on neurons (1/10 of the cellular brain matter), and on blood flow (fMRI information is done on the BOLD model), and on pathways (done by DTI) of myelinated axons.
Consequently, throwing out information the way information is thrown out in “sensorily lossless” compression isn’t real science. On the other hand, allowing computers to be computers by extracting other types of information is more likely to still be in use — informed by whatever you want to come up with from the “brain science” which is always a few steps ahead in the press of what it can reliably do right now.
I can see some sense in a careful pre-analysis in order to prepare the signal for further analysis. But what makes me doubt that you know what you are talking about has to do with what you have brought up before: hearing signals above 20 KHz on your stereo system.
You can excite ultrasonic vibrations in the skull bones and “hear” them. These intense vibrations are known to excite the basilar membrane at the stiff end (near the opening) and are thus “heard” as high frequencies, usually identified as having the highest frequency a person can hear, or perhaps used to be able to hear. (The regions of the membrane do not have very Q, and so intense vibrations outside the normal range can excite them.) This mechanism has been mostly proven by showing that the ultra sound turns down the gain in the amplifying system at that part of the basilar membrane. This is detected by monitoring the changes in the acoustical output produced when the basilar membrane is excited by the outer hair cells in response to the request from the brain. (http://publications.lib.chalmers.se/records/fulltext/147171.pdf)
I know of no other proven mechanism for “hearing” ultrasound. And your stereo system will not do it. And especially vinyl will not do it because the equalization used prevents the passage of very high levels of very high frequencies.
Believe I said beat frequencies, and you still need to account for why people perceive sound recorded and reproduced in a range that exceeds twice the highest frequency on the high end as being better sound. If the system can’t reproduce it, and the people can’t hear it, then how is it they have a blind study preference for it? And if it’s an upper limit set in stone, why doesn’t the usual calculation of the Nyquist frequency work, or does knowledge of how an outer ear works suddenly negate fun Fourier facts known for at least a century?
FYI, many sound systems on which such things are reproduced have very large frequency ranges (mine, for instance has 10Hz to 50KHz flat across the entire pre-amp/power amp and 10Hz-25KHz for the speakers). And a beat is produced in the device that creates the actual sound waves, or even upon or after receiving them, not in the needle of the record player. But you knew that, you’re a physicist.
And I actually do know what I’m talking about when it comes to the pattern recognition “preparation”, whereas you appear to be headboning it. I made a comparison to video, where the same process happens. It even happens in stills: face location will always precede face recognition for instance, doing it the other way might help you find funny old men in cumulus clouds but doesn’t work for surveillance nor for doing the color balance in most modern cameras.
Suffice it to say, a “cut” is not a phone call, and it is something that is created in processing by software that analyzes features of the recording of the phone call. You can think of all the reasons you would like to disagree with that, but that’s what a cut is, and it represents, if the software is working perfectly in relation to the intended purpose, one voice of the call from start to finish.
Now think of how a phone call goes, it’s a conversation, the two (if that’s the number of people on the phone) people exchange sentences and phrases, and even small monologues, and each one of those is a cut. It is extremely rare for a phone call to be a single cut, cuts are subdivisions of phone calls cardinality order tens if not hundreds.
I do not need to explain anything that you have not demonstrated. This is about where we got last time. I asked for references and you did not provide any. So let’s consider what you said in a previous post:
Can you explain that in a different way? I do not understand. How does it relate to the first quote in this post?
It means exactly what it says.
But one step back, why are we doing this? You did understand everything I posted the first time I posted, modulo any necessary information about recognition and its pre-processing that perhaps you were unfamiliar with (or not, for that matter). The points of what I originally wrote were that investigations into speech recognition predate the 1970s (information about Bolt, Beranek, and Newman), and the lack of numeracy in thinking that 1 million cuts per day is massive bulk surveillance, in the absence of knowing whether it’s 1 million cuts per analyst or in toto, but even per analyst it amounts to less than a medium sized city (if it were U.S. traffic).
You appear more interested in trying to do some kind of attack on my knowledge of pattern recognition (that’s actually the subject, not the workings of the outer ear or your contentions about vinyl). It isn’t really that open to attack, I will freely acknowledge that I know more about video than audio, but I have looked fairly closely at times at audio, too. Is that enough information for you? Is your real intent to try to discredit what I originally said, or is it to find something, anything, you can latch onto to criticize — are you really interested in how many calls are being analyzed (the numeracy problem) or are you interested in doing the physics version of rrheard trying to kick everyone off of here who isn’t ideologically compliant?
There are no contradictions in what I said, Mike. If you have information that people don’t in fact perceive anything new from SACD or other technologies, or from going back to vinyl, then wonderful! I haven’t heard it. If you are trying a physics version of an ad hominem because I said that the data don’t imply bulk transcription, then give it up, please. The data don’t support it. If there’s more data, let’s see it, if there is not, then you may believe the bulk transcription is going on if you like, but it’s a matter of religion until there is evidence.
There is one error I did make in my original post: The temporal unit from which the cepstral block (which I referred to incorrectly as the cepstrum) is called a frame. They are transformed into features derived from the mel frequency cepstrum analysis of overlapping frames, to create a temporal sequenced feature blocks built out of transforms of the coefficients and their derivatives for both speech recognition and speaker recognition.
Does the FISA court also approve the ‘touchless torture’ of targets with the use of radio waves, DEWS and electromagnetic fields? The NSA and its friends all say they do everything in compliance with the law. According to one website: “The military and law enforcement, however, can use non-lethal weapons (see USC Title 50 Chapter 32 Section 1520a). Further, testing of electronic equipment; discovering unauthorized electronic surveillance; training of intelligence personnel by officers the United States is allowed. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1805.html” So does this enable them to not even bother asking the court for permission to burn citizens deemed ‘target’ for whatever bullshit reasons?
NSA / FBI Stingray Technology spying.
DEW’s, Sprayed poisons all tools no touch torture.
Cointelpro 2015
Weapons testing is not under FISA’s scope, so no the FISC would not approve or proscribe such torture methods. In fact no court can approve torture, as torture is illegal.
50 U.S. Code § 1805 – Issuance of order
f) Testing of electronic equipment; discovering unauthorized electronic surveillance; training of intelligence personnel
Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter, officers, employees, or agents of the United States re authorized in the normal course of their official duties to conduct electronic surveillance not targeted against the communications of any particular person or persons, under procedures approved by the Attorney General, solely to—
(1) test the capability of electronic equipment, if—
(A) it is not reasonable to obtain the consent of the persons incidentally subjected to the surveillance;
(B) the test is limited in extent and duration to that necessary to determine the capability of the equipment;
(C) the contents of any communication acquired are retained and used only for the purpose of determining the capability of the equipment, are disclosed only to test personnel, and are destroyed before or immediately upon completion of the test; and:
(D) Provided, That the test may exceed ninety days only with the prior approval of the Attorney General;
(2) determine the existence and capability of electronic surveillance equipment being used by persons not authorized to conduct electronic surveillance, if—
(A) it is not reasonable to obtain the consent of persons incidentally subjected to the surveillance;
(B) such electronic surveillance is limited in extent and duration to that necessary to determine the existence and capability of such equipment; and
(C) any information acquired by such surveillance is used only to enforce chapter 119 of title 18, or section 605 of title 47, or to protect information from unauthorized surveillance; or
(3) train intelligence personnel in the use of electronic surveillance equipment, if—
(A) it is not reasonable to—
(i) obtain the consent of the persons incidentally subjected to the surveillance;
(ii) train persons in the course of surveillances otherwise authorized by this subchapter; or
(iii) train persons in the use of such equipment without engaging in electronic surveillance;
(B) such electronic surveillance is limited in extent and duration to that necessary to train the personnel in the use of the equipment; and
(C) no contents of any communication acquired are retained or disseminated for any purpose, but are destroyed as soon as reasonably possible.
As you were told, weapons testing is not within FISA’s scope. The entire FISA scheme is about electronic surveillance.
The Chapter is titled: “50 U.S. Code Chapter 36 – FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE”
The sub-chapter containing §1805 is titled” “SUBCHAPTER I—ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE (§§ 1801–1812)”
No weapons or torture permissions in there. No judge in the United States can issue a warrant for torture, you dumbass freak.
“50 U.S. Code § 1805 – Issuance of order blah blah blah…”
I know you desperately want to claim that electronic surveillance devices are being used to “burn” and torture you, but the fact is that any surveillance device that caused physical harm to the target would be utterly useless as a surveillance device, and would instead be classified as a weapon; and weapons are not covered by FISA, cannot be ruled on by the FISC, and to the extent that they are used to torture a target (for whatever purpose) cannot be ruled legal by any court, because torture is illegal.
What the government has done is try to get rulings (from their own lawyers, not from FISC) that practices clearly constituting torture are in fact not torture, and that surveillance clearly outside the bounds permitted by FISA are in fact permitted by a hodge-podge of executive orders and bits and pieces of other Acts of Congress, but unfortunately they can’t tell us why that surveillance is permitted because to do so would require they explain exactly how such surveillance is performed and thus negate its utility; and therefore we just have to trust them when they tell us that what they are doing is legal. At which point I laugh heartily.
A database of transcribed phone calls would be useful to the NSA clients who are currently stakling, harassing, and torturing targets with ease and impunity. So it would be interesting to know what is being done with this data. Will TI spend more money looking into this topic?
I hope so, but I perceive a continuing lack of interest on the part of TI about how stolen NSA data — stolen from targets — is being used against targets. I am keenly aware American stalkers and torturers do not publicize or boast of their itineraries and activities beyond their circle of associates — if they did I would have legal standing today — and that the NSA doc trove may only contain data in the form of technical PPT docs and textual/audio/video files of targets’ private lives. I am also aware of the pervasive reflex among Americans to think torture subjects are guilty of something — because they’re being tortured — and that a portion of TI journalists probably share this instinct. For those of you who do not share that sentiment, and (1) know Americans engage in torture, (2) can reasonably infer Americans also torture Americans, and (3) realize there must be lots of walking, talking torture subjects to interview (your sources), get to work. Talk to us first, because the NSA and their torturer client base won’t. We can tell you who to interview next, and their responses will definitely tweak your journalistic instincts, and probably make you want to dig further. Try it.
We shouldn’t have to beg.
Ivestigate this topic TI.
Will you please stop spewing this paranoid bullshit at The Intercept? You and alternative accounts have now posted hundreds of comments asking for what is almost certainly never going to happen, to wit: for TI journalists to interview you and “investigate” whether the government is targeting Americans with microwave torture and stalking them at their work, homes, and everywhere else. Turning their friends and family against them.
To see how totally freakish these so-called “targeted persons” are in their bizarre claims, look here: http://www.targetedinamerica.com/hitlist.html
This is NOT bullshit and the fact that you show want to shove this opinion down people’s throats reinforces the rumor that TI is a form of ‘limited hangout’ for deep state. Stop trying to tell other people what they should write and go back to scolding all the Zionists, bitch.
Say, I have an idea! You and your other Targeted Person pals should go start a blog demonstrating that this site is a limited hangout. Yeah, yeah, that’s the ticket!
You should post and post over and over again — over there — about how this is so and all the reasons why. And forget all about trying to get attention at this deep-state site.
Please.
Mona at @The_Intercept asked me for reliable source on nonlethal weapons, but moderators didn’t approve link: http://www.wanttoknow.info/nonlethalweaponsnewsarticles …
There are no “moderators” here, approving links or otherwise. You are a freak. When a comment is deleted, or an account banned, it is done by the authors. And they don’t supervise posting of links.
How would you like to be raped by your country’s spooks, then told to shut up about it, here, by someone just like you? Would you like that, Mona?
You are such a tool, Mona. You are either paid, or as stupid as you are evil — like most Americans are regarding this extremely serious subject.
The posts about this subject will keep coming from me; you may ignore them but you cannot control them. I won’t be talking about microwave and DEWS until I see the proof I have been actively looking for, but I will post remarks about stalking at work, homes, and everywhere else, and the torture. And yes, their tactics are bizarre — so bizarre you couldn’t make it up. (They have a disgusting sense of humor about their physical torture subjects’ rectums, as other evidence about US torture tactics in the public domain has demonstrated.)
Oh really?
Or maybe:
There’s more, and I’ll give links if you like, but I think w see that you can, indeed, make this shit up or be convinced delusions are true.
None of that is relevant to me or can be attributed to me, despite your effort. It is published for your benefit, and you lap it up. Back to the subject at hand. As I asked before:
Mona, do you believe that “targeted individuals” exist?
Do you believe J. E. Hoover’s COINTELPRO stalking and harassment program was outed in 1971? Do you naively believe the Church hearings did squat to kill it?
Do you believe that the US went on a torture binge after Sept. 11 2001?
Do you deny your country has tortured many people?
Do you believe that some of the people your country tortured could have been ‘US Persons’ — as if that made your country’s crimes somehow more excusable?
Do you have a fucking brain, Mona? Or are you just another brainwashed American… see no evil, hear no evil, but be really, really evil?
Now, now Stan. You must stay on the point you introduced, to wit that what you and you pals experience is: “so bizarre you couldn’t make it up.”
But as I showed you — and could continue to demonstrate — there have been “Targeted Individuals” (targeted by, e.g., space aliens or devils) throughout history either making it up, or believing delusions.
You think “they” are bad? The space aliens who regularly abduct Billy Bob and Mary Sue and take them to the Mother Ship, why, they probe rectums, genitals and just play hell with these poor victims’ bodies. It’s beyond disgusting.
Mona’s getting desperate. Talking about the ‘Mother Ship’ and aliens.’ The only one who seems possessed by these thoughts are you Mona. And you bring them up to try to distract from the real claims we are making. Because Look! Over There! It’s a spaceship! You are a soulless disgusting individual and I feel sorry for you being paid to hide the worst abuses going on in America today.
Sweetcheeks, YOU approvingly referred me to a site that discusses space aliens visiting us and a little kid who “recalls” having been a a WWII pilot in a previous life & etc.
Perhaps all that remote frying of your brain that We do has harmed your memory? https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/08/nsa-transcription-american-phone-calls/#comment-138878
Furthermore, I did not ‘check out’ http://www.targetedinamerica.com/hitlist.html because it, like almost all other sites about the topic, are disinfo BS. And they work beautifully on you, exactly as they are designed.
(I don’t know of a single gang-stalking site I would trust, but that doesn’t mean authentic sites don’t exist. I just don’t know how to find them without using the brute-force technique, which I do not have time for.)
I know. “They” probably control those sites, doncha think?
“I don’t know of a single gang-stalking site I would trust…”
Boy, I don’t know, either. Most of those sites are pretty far out there. Some of the stuff they talk about is plausible — being followed or harassed or maybe even Zersetzung-type stuff, I suppose it could happen but if that’s going on, it’s not clear they have attributed it correctly to “the government”
I suppose the government does investigate or follow some people. Ascribing petty Zersetzung-type stuff to the government is doubtful to me. Seems more likely to me that they would either charge someone with a crime or leave them alone. The bizarre remote electronic torture weapons and mind reading start to sound completely outlandish to me.
As far as these sites being deliberate disinformation, the people pushing them may not always believe in the theories themselves, but promote them in order to gain a following. Then these belief systems kind of feed into themselves. Every one of these sites claims all the other ones are “disinfo”, but they all say pretty much the same thing. Clearly certain belief systems are being promoted which are not grounded in reality.
From former CIA: http://www.globalresearch.ca/neuropsychological-and-electronic-no-touch-torture-the-spectrum-of-interrogation-and-torture-techniques-used-by-the-us-and-its-allies/5454124
That Global Reports article is very good. It does not, however, remotely (LOL) support the fever-swamp notions you and your pals are claiming.
The author of that article has contacted me directly and confirmed these abuses are ongoing. I said nothing different to him that I haven’t said here. So I have no awareness of the ‘fevered swamp notions’ of which you write.
Was that the same day the Virgin Mary and Napoleon contacted you?
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Re: globalresearch.ca
From the article:
“… Unfortunately, every sample point in the world’s society needs to be studied to improve the weapons systems. This is why many random people are put into the torture and mind control experiments. There are some devious uses of a secret army of remote controlled assassins in every country in the world. The samples must include different education, language, culture, and economic factors. …”
So, umm, yes, I’d say that’s pretty far out there. Well into fever-swamp territory.
“Talk to us first, …. We can tell you who to interview next, and their responses will definitely tweak your journalistic instincts, and probably make you want to dig further. Try it.
“We shouldn’t have to beg.”
Stan, it might help to think of it from the journalist’s perspective, because journalists generally don’t like to feel manipulated and be told who to interview first, who to interview next. They would rather feel like they’ve found all that out by themselves, rather than just reporting a story that’s “ready-made” for them. Not that you’d have any particular agenda that you want reported in the news, or anything like that…
1. Of course I have an agenda. Who doesn’t? My agenda: (a) stop the torture and (b) get some justice. Having the topic brought to the attention of the Great American People is a necessary step in that direction because salaried psychopaths usually won’t stop committing crimes until after they’re caught and exposed. Whether TI journos talk to me or a thousand others instead: it matters not, as long as my agenda items a and b are realized. If Americans and TI journos are ‘ok’ with my particular treatment, then exposing the grubby nature of the American character is also in the public interest.
2. I do not have enough respect for American journalists — excepting a handful, including the likes of W. Shirer and S. Hersh — to do as you ask. They should know how to determine which topics are of greater public interest, and I could not manipulate a good journalist anyway. As for finding all that out by themselves… I just have to laugh.
German Psychologists were the Naziest of them all even before Nazism started. The very Adolf Hitler signed decrees outlawing their genocidal practices early on. They never, ever stopped. Until a few years ago:
// __ The age of fear – psychiatry’s reign of terror …
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youtube.com/watch?v=3hj49xDEXow
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28:35: … September 1st 1949 … mit Ideen villeicht in Hintergrund dass der Krieg nicht nur nach aussen sondern auch innerhalb des Deutschem Volk …
33:40: what is not well known is that spite of Hitler’s order psychiatrists continued their murder spree …
34:30: … as psychiatrists before, during and after the Nazi era routinely starved their patients
38:20: … not just a few bad apples …
50:52: … Ich habe at nichts mehr geglaubt…
58:05: … and the worst part is that the psychologists will always twist things around … They are the boss regardless of what they do or say …
58:55: … had Prof. Scheneider been truly honest …
1:44:05: 2012 Germany’s Supreme Court ruled: involuntary treatment of patients illegal
Yet in the U.S. they are “freedom-lovingly” setting people under Zersetzung
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Do laugh and explain to them. Remember we went through a “learning process”, too. All we know is because we learned it. OK, you expect for certain kinds of people to know and/or being able to figure out things for themselves
Just Imagine! Even Diane Feinstein was shocked of what he saw and learned and they even turned against her!
RCL