In Fayoush, Yemen this morning, just outside of Aden, “a massive airstrike” hit a marketplace and killed at least 45 civilians, wounding another 50. Officials told the AP that “bodies were strewn about following the strike.” The bombing was carried out by what is typically referred to as a “Saudi-led coalition”; it is rarely mentioned in Western media reports that the U.S. is providing very substantial support to this “Saudi-led” war in Yemen, now in its fifth month, which has repeatedly, recklessly killed Yemeni civilians.
Because these deaths of innocents are at the hands of the U.S. government and its despotic allies, it is very predictable how they will be covered in the U.S. None of the victims will be profiled in American media; it’ll be very surprising if any of their names are even mentioned. No major American television outlet will interview their grieving families. Americans will never learn about their extinguished life aspirations, or the children turned into orphans, or the parents who will now bury their infants. There will be no #FayoushStrong Twitter hashtags trending in the U.S. It’ll be like it never happened: blissful ignorance.
This is the pattern that repeats itself over and over. Just see the stone-cold media silence when President Obama, weeks after winning the Nobel Peace Prize, ordered a cruise missile strike in Yemen, complete with cluster bombs, which ended the lives of 35 women and children, none of whose humanity was acknowledged in virtually any Western media reports.
This media imbalance is a vital propaganda tool. In U.S. media land, Americans are always the victims of violence and terrorism, always menaced and threatened by violent Muslim savages, always targeted for no reason whatsoever other than primitive Islamic barbarism. That mythology is sustained by literally disappearing America’s own victims, pretending they don’t exist, denying their importance through the casual invocation of clichés we’ve been trained to spout (collateral damage) and, most importantly of all, never humanizing them under any circumstances.
This is how the American self-perception as perpetual victim of terrorism, but never its perpetrator, is sustained. It’s also what fuels the belief that They are propagandized but We aren’t. While these deaths will be concealed from the American public, people in that part of the world will hear much about them: just as Americans heard almost nothing about the Al Jazeera journalist imprisoned for years in Guantanamo with no charges, Sami al-Hajj, while he was a cause celebre in the Muslim world, leading Americans to believe that only the Bad Countries, but never Us, imprison journalists. From this latest Yemen bombing and so many like it, the resulting differences in worldviews and perspectives isn’t be because “they” are propagandized, but because “we” are.
Photo: House destroyed by Saudi-led airstrike in Saana, July 3; Hani Mohammed/AP
Ondellette, when discussing Boko Haram, it’s important to remember that the conditions that allowed them to flourish amid popular support came from former president Goodluck Jonathan’s campaign of brutality. His forces killed many civilians.
Also, Western oil companies have shaped policy there for a very long time.
One last thing: In your most recent thread, you failed to address AK’s point.
However, I will say that your knowledge about Yemen is extensive, and I appreciate the education.
So, where is George Clooney and Angelina Jolie? They are front and center screaming for American interventionism when warring African nations or Syria for that matter are going at each other and wanton murder is conducted on the civilian population and here we have wanton murder being conducted on the civilian population of Yemen. They have a problem because the American President is actually helping and assisting the Saudi’s in this wanton murder.
The elastic definition of “terrorism” is illustrated by a June 30 ISIS car bomb at a building where people were mourning the dead, killing 28. There is no use of the word “terror” in the news reports by Reuters, Breitbart, the Guardian, or BBC.
When is ISIS blowing up a car bomb to kill mourners based on religious hatred not terrorism? When the US and ISIS are allies! You see, the car bomb was in Sanaa, the capital of Yemen, targeting the Houthis.
Go ahead, search Google News for houthis ISIS 28 and you have lots of hits. Now add terrorism to that search and not one. I can’t link all the sources I mentioned because the spam filter would kill my post but they’re prominent in the search. Not one mention. Of the four, only the Reuters source even highlighted that mourners were the target.
Why do the Saudi’s seem to bomb market places so often? Is that where the bad people go to shop? Don’t they have access to satellite pictures accessed by the U.S. government to identify the bad people without just bombing market places where the majority of shopping is traditionally done by women who traditionally have children with them? Could someone please explain this attack strategy for me?
Not even logical unless it is a psychological tool….
So, Clinton doesn’t like boycotts? And she and Obama don’t like Palestinian participation at the Criminal Court, and at the UN. What does Clinton like? Violent struggle? I thought the Americans wanted a peaceful settlement?
– “Israel is a vibrant democracy in a region dominated by autocracy, and it faces existential threats to its survival,” she writes.”
http://thehill.com/policy/international/246946-clinton-blasts-bds-movement-targeting-israel
Someone writing in the past could have said that the America that held people as slaves was a “vibrant democracy” and they would have been correct, it was a vibrant democracy, for everyone that could vote and who were treated as full human beings.
Funding for humanitarian crises is so low right now that humanitarian organizations are cutting food rations in Syria, in Mali, in Chad, in South Sudan, and in the larger crisis in the Sahel. The European Union cannot come to agreements on migrations, or even just the migrations in the Mediterranean. Australia is paying smugglers to turn their boats towards Papua New Guinea to put people in concentration camps. The U.S. Congress refused to vote funding last year to pay for lawyers to represent the asylum cases coming over its southern border, so those without family here are languishing in holding camps run by for profit prison companies, instead of making their cases in immigration court.
The problems of the European Union and of Tony Abbott are about simple prejudice and hatred. While we are always told they can’t be solved readily because of how deep seated that hatred is, events at the South Carolina State House yesterday prove that really isn’t true. They can actually be solved in a day, with the will to solve them. The rest can be solved in an instant by spending money. Just money. It doesn’t even need time to transfer and process, the pledge in many cases can restart the food, water, and medical care gears turning immediately.
It doesn’t take time to solve all problems, only some. Those which can be solved without time aren’t getting solved. And bombing campaigns and blockades can be solved in an instant, given that there was no real reason for starting them except for some 30 year old royal punk wanting to make a name for himself.
How much more time do you want? A day? A week? Much more than that for quite a few problems counts as stalling.
“Full-scale war in Yemen erupted in March, when Saudi Arabia launched its offensive to drive the Houthis from Sana, the capital, and several other cities the rebels were fighting to control. The Saudis vowed to restore President Abdu Rabbu Mansour Hadi, whom the Houthis had driven into exile.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/07/world/middleeast/toll-rises-as-saudi-coalition-steps-up-airstrikes-in-yemen.html?_r=0
You have to admit that the this isn’t an easy situation for the Americans to spin, as they have their Saudi allies, flying bombers over Yemen, in order to reinstall Yemen’s version of the “Shah”. The once and future dictator is waiting in Riyad, the Saudi capitol of Saudi Arabia, until “his” people are defeated, and he can be placed back on the throne.
To be fair, there is also a “once and future dictator” waiting in the wings on the Houthi side.
– “To be fair, there is also a “once and future dictator” waiting in the wings on the Houthi side.”
Absolutely, Me personally I see no good guys, bad guys in Yemen they should get tired fast. Sit down and divide up the place if they can’t get along.
Here’s a more in-depth opinion:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/07/07/why-yemens-peace-talks-failed/
…so there’s a civil war, between at least two not-at-all-democratic popular factions.
…So I’m asking, what credibility does absolute dictatorship/monarchy/brutal religious theocracy Saudi Arabia have to claim that they are in any way trying to do anything but serve their own ignoble interests?
Even if it weren’t comically laughable to say that the interests of the Saudis were in any way aligned with liberal democracy or of the people of Yemen, the Saudi tactics, tanks, bombers, how is that helping?
The Saudi track record, tanks sent to crush the Arab spring in Bahrain, again no credibility.
And ultimately, the Americans claiming that their arming/fuelling/advising the Saudis is anything other than old fashioned imperialism…
And I ask those questions under the assumption that the end goal is progress towards a more democratic/peaceful/wealthy world. What can I say? I’m not Henry Kissinger.
Once again, to be fair, the old government of the Muttawakelite Kingdom of Yemen (North Yemen before the war in the 60s) was also a theocracy.
This is funny, now the government DOESN’T want the BBC to be impartial….because…ISIS=Nazis!!
– “The BBC should disregard impartiality guidelines when it reports on the militant group Isis, a member of the Cabinet has said.
Chris Grayling told Parliament that the Corporation should generally not be even-handed when it came to report on threats of national security .”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-bbcs-impartial-reporting-of-isis-is-like-being-impartial-on-nazis-chris-grayling-claims-10363045.html
paging Joseph Goebbels…paging Joseph Goebbels…
It seems the BBC is to be a beacon of “facts”, facts that will be determined by the sitting government.
Somewhere in hell, the Nazis are clapping.
I guess the BBC impartiality guidelines are to be left on for the Saudis???
– “Yemen: Hundreds Wounded in Attacks on Markets and Residential Areas
SANA’A, YEMEN/NEW YORK—Medical facilities supported by Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) have received hundreds of people wounded in airstrikes and ground shelling across Yemen in recent days, and MSF teams have treated scores of people in several locations, including victims of a July 4 attack on a crowded marketplace in Harad District.”
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/yemen-hundreds-wounded-attacks-markets-and-residential-areas
Not sure exactly where to start. A guy who bristles when asked why he hasn’t covered something is reading meaning into what he perceives as a lack of coverage is my first thought, I’ll leave it at that. In the last week, 200 people died at the hands of Boko Haram, an unknown number of people died in South Sudan because the fighting is so fierce and without rules there that the people have stopped counting or caring for their dead, and are hoping the Sudd protects them from people they know damned well know the Sudd as well as they do, while they also know damned well there’s no food there in the rainy season.
I could make comments like that in response to anyone, not just Glenn, and it really isn’t his fault that he doesn’t have time to cover everything. But the NYTimes has an editorial today, and it makes the points about the Saudi air strikes, but also makes the point about the 20+ million people in severe humanitarian risk there (about 80%+ of the population). It’s the blockade which is killing the most people. And if you’re going to complain about people not covering Yemen, you need to talk about that or risk having your own article be a poster child for your own point. Oh, and by the way, the Saudi strikes are in their 4th month, not 5th. Numeracy is important.
Did you know that before the strikes and blockade started, armed fighting over water had consumed twice as many lives as all the drone strikes and other fighting combined? Did you know that while we hear about boats on the Mediterranean and boats on the Andaman, there aren’t any stories about the boats on the Red Sea, mournfully, and sometimes just as dangerously, ferrying refugees fleeing Yemen, a former place of refuge, to Somalia? To escape the violence and starvation?
I commend you for bringing attention to Yemen and the shameful U.S. role there. I just wish you’d someday do the real due diligence about it.
“I just wish you’d someday do the real due diligence about it..” -hypocrite
`ondy..
“Did you know” that your constant belittlement of Glenn’s numerous contributions to the greater good, equates you to..
Seriously. Either provide a source w/ the means to critique your own researched efforts, or politely, fuk’off already..
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PS.. For inspiration. (*see below)
*Unclaimed Territory
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I don’t really care about your arguments to my person or Glenn’s blog start date, sorry.
The sources of what I wrote are from the New York Times, the International Crisis Group report on South Sudan, the UNHCR (most recent) report on South Sudan, the report for the ICRC by Robert Mardini (division chief for the Middle East) on water in the Middle East, casualty figures on drones and fighting in Yemen, numerous reports on Yemen from Amnesty International, from the ICRC, from MSF, and other sources. The sourcing for the migrants on boats is a combination of news articles and reports available on ReliefWeb, and again other sources.
The sourcing for the numeracy issue is just clicking on the link Glenn provided, looking at the date, looking at today’s date, and performing arithmetic that can be done by most people without the need of pencil and paper. What provoked that sequence of actions was not any emotions about you or Glenn or purple cows, but having just read that the Saudi airstrikes had been going on for 3 months in the NYT, and wanting to resolve a discrepancy of 40% between two sources.
Satisfied? Some how I doubt it.
Ondelette, what’s your point? Is US helping Boko Haram or any other factions kill civilians? Glen is talking about Saudis killing civilians with our weapons and intelligence. Don’t be a squid.
Oh, I know. It’s just so stoopid of Glenn not to understand that he, as a single individual is just like the *entire cable “news” empire plus the Establishment print organs that, combined, establish the dominant narrative. Only you, Ondelette, could argue for that nearly four-square identical situation!
Sorry, I thought I put enough attempts to be fair to Glenn into my comment not to blow your dog whistle, Mona. My apologies for the apoplexy.
I wouldn’t be so adamant about understanding the situation there if Glenn hadn’t himself traveled there, if there hadn’t been years to find out, and most especially if one of Mardini’s other observations wasn’t that the average person who dies in armed conflict dies of thirst.
I have even less resources than Glenn, Mona. Your comment is misplaced.
Ondelette translated, (much) shorter: “Yeah my comment was stupid, but Mardini, resources.”
And yours? Take a deep breath, a step back, and a good look at your comments throughout the current comment column, Mona. You’ve really dwindled to little more than a shrill voiced censor. Does Glenn really agree with you that his commentary couldn’t survive the comments of a few critics without your sharp elbows?
I didn’t write something stupid, I wrote what many who get pounced on for asking why he avoids some subjects feel when they see him interpret the same behavior in others as nefarious. One can’t avoid the feeling if one has been subject to the withering dismissal before. And no, such a dismissal isn’t attributable to lack of resources or size vis-a-vis big media. It’s attributable to Glenn’s interests. But their motives? Why shouldn’t we attribute them to their interests as well? I watched a report on the Saudi bombing on cable news last night. It was third from the top after the Greek referendum and the Boko Haram massacres. On a channel whose major funding comes from one of the Saudi/GCC partners. If what Glenn infers is true, they shouldn’t have covered it, let alone been as critical as they were.
As for your “but Mardini, resources,” I’ve been following Mardini’s work for 3 years now. Actually in quite a bit of detail, you know, borehole well drilling specifics, time flow for purification, location of resources for hygiene concerns, GIS data positioning for refugee camps, environmental impact standards, standards for humanitarian care delivery, and all the rest.
You didn’t know that? Like you really know anything about the people you attempt to criticize out here, Mona.
More translated, shorter Ondelette: “Mona is mean and does Glenn know, because I really do know a super lot about this guy Mardini.”
I’ve written this before: I always appreciate your attempts to inform us. But why is it always in the context of a personal grievance?
Plainly Glenn does not consider all humanitarian disasters to be his beat. They don’t particularly interest me either, not when there’s a US-backed war going on somewhere in the world.
Yada yada, Mona, you’re just proving my point.
Baldie, there is no personal grievance.
All the facts I presented in my original comment are 100% true and documentable. If lack of coverage in and of itself is proof of a propaganda conspiracy, then the entire world, including Mr. Greenwald, are in on the conspiracy not to talk about South Sudan and not to talk about whether those Bangladeshis on the boats in the Andaman Sea are disaster refugees. But the proof that such a conspiracy doesn’t exist is precisely what you two keep trying to hammer into me. I know what you’re saying, and it proves that claiming that non-coverage proves a propaganda campaign is bullshit. Pure and simple bullshit. You simply can’t infer that because people are dying and nobody cares, there’s a conspiracy to ignore them. There are too many people in the world that are dying with nobody caring for that to be true.
And as for the argument that a “U.S. backed war is going on” merits ignorance of atrocity, it not only doesn’t, but you can find just as many tenuous connections between the war in South Sudan and the U.S. as you can about a war you do care about. You’ve just been trained by the crowd here to not believe that. It goes along with all sorts of other bullshit, like that caliphates are a thing of the past, or that people who disagree with Glenn have mental impairments.
Ondelette, you really can’t read Greenwald, can you? Your personal grievance prevents comprehension. For you will look far and wide at his media criticism, including the piece above, to find the word “conspiracy” vis-a-vis the U.S./Western press.
They will not herald Muslim deaths caused by the U.S. or its allies. They will not consider the reality that our continuing to kill many Muslims angers them. But no one serious — and certainly not Glenn — calls (or remotely implies) this a “conspiracy.”
It is simply the prejudices and interests of careerist “news” providers at work.
Have you and Baldie any idea how many people you accuse of mental infirmity or personal grievance?
I do realize that it’s a tradition stretching back to Glenn’s babblings about obsession after he banned bebop-o.
You’re failing the Turing test, Monabot.
“You simply can’t infer that because people are dying and nobody cares, there’s a conspiracy to ignore them. There are too many people in the world that are dying with nobody caring for that to be true.”
I haven’t seen any such argument. I see an argument that the US is performing positive actions with real impacts that might be noticed by the media/public IF the media bothered to look at the most obvious of the impacts, let alone the less obvious ones.
And btw, there ARE no wars that I “care about” except insofar as the US and its allies are creating and sustaining them. Yes, the US is surely involved in Sudan. So what?
“Have you and Baldie any idea how many people you accuse of mental infirmity or personal grievance?”
I’m guessing not many who don’t deserve it. It astonishes me that you can’t see your own prejudices and concerns leaking through your own words.
re: June 24, 2015
An And On The 16th Day Nic Fuk’n On Crack Rose From The Dead Production
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/24/greatest-obstacle-anti-muslim-fear-mongering-bigotry-reality/#comment-143602
What is said by Greenwald is true; of that I have no doubt. BUT really, Glenn, as a gay man how long do you think you would survive in ANY Muslim nation state? Have you ever been to one? I wonder and, perhaps, doubt you could go ESPECIALLY with your partner without ending up beaten, jailed or dead. Moreover, try going to Putin’s Russia. Now there is a place homosexuals do very well — NOT. I never claim US policy over decades has been flawless. It hasn’t and is responsible in large part for foreign affairs as it is today especially in Islamic lands. Be that as it may, what was done cannot be undone. One must play the proverbial ball where it lies. What is true is this: Historically politics even if religious is about power. Most any Islamic states would eradicate the west IF IT COULD. We must now make sure it cannot. Collateral damage is horrendous whenever it occurs even when it occurs in the US. Glenn, you are not an equal opportunity columnist. You never, at least the views of yours I have read, criticize the violence Muslims perpetrate NOT on the west but on themselves. Question? Will my view even get published? Last one was not, except for a small response, never made it here. Will you practice what you preach and print a critical analysis of your point of view? I have my doubts! One more point: The US — the ENTIRE US — just made gay marriage legal. Which Islamic nation will do the same? Answer: NONE as according to Ahmadinejad homosexuals do not exist in Iran. Yes, they are either hiding or dead!
Natalie, I wonder how long you would survive in a nation of honest people who despise prevarication. Would they put you in prison? A mental hospital? Or a zoo?
Do you honestly not find enough outlets for the rhetoric that says, “Yes, the US government may ‘inadvertently’ slaughter thousands of innocent civilians, but never forget… MUSLIMS!”
“Will my view even get published?”
Yes, what a warrior for truth! FINALLY, someone is saying what US news outlets say every day!
The fact that the American tax payers are subsidizing the daily slaughter of innocent civilians and ARE NOT SUBSIDIZING the murders committed by Middle Eastern Muslims apparently is a minor point to you.
Since you asked the question, “Most any Islamic states would eradicate the west IF IT COULD”, do you ever ask yourself why?
It couldn’t be decade after decade after decade of daily mass-murder by US bombs could it? It couldn’t be that those ‘crazy people’ actually grieve as much when thousands of THEIR civilians are targeted & murdered as Americans did on 9.11?.. And 9.11 was a one-day-only occurrence for the US 14 years ago – not an everyday event like it is for them.
The reflexive minimizing of civilian deaths caused by the US government as “collateral damage” (as if it were some unforeseen outcome) and pretending the endless war the US initiated is a necessary battle with a specific, agreed upon outcome for peace & justice is beyond delusional.
And yank preachers call for gays to be put to death. Scott Lively was one who went to Uganda to encourage their bigotry.
So clean up your own country first. What church do you attend, by the way?
Natalie, As a gay man with Middle Eastern roots, your comments are not apt and are hypocritical. The killing by Saudis of innocent people at the grocery market, is what Is newsworthy right now. This is not about the politics of marriage going on in the US. Have some empathy.
Thank you Ali. Natalie must think those U.S. Freedom Bombs that kill a lot of Arab boys and girls save them from growing up to realize they are gay.
Israel is helpful like that, too; it kills Palestinian kids, like those four boys playing soccer on the beach. No sexual identity struggles will bother them any more.
As a gay man, Glenn should realize the big favor the West is doing for these Arab kids, right Natalie?
So what you’re saying is that if a Black person sees an injustice being done to a White person, he shouldn’t bother with it, since, so many White people treat Black people like shit. Is that what you’re saying? Glenn shouldn’t bother with the suffering in Muslim countries because he’s gay, and since Muslims hate gays.
Maybe Glenn is just like.. .you know.. .a normal person, with a high capacity for empathy. So when other people suffer, he stops thinking about himself, and thinks about the people suffering. Maybe Glenn is just human, and not gay or straight.
Also I was thinking, if Muslims hate Gays, who do the Gay Muslims hate?
Is it possible that hatred of Gays is a societal problem? Is it possible that the less conservative a society becomes, the less they persecute minorities? So maybe the answer is to enlighten these societies, instead of warring with them.
“All of that stands in the starkest contrast to the intense victim focus whenever an American or Westerner is killed by an individual Muslim. Indeed, Americans just spent the last week inundated with melodramatic “warnings” from the U.S. government — mindlessly amplified as always by their media — that they faced serious terror on their most sacred day from ISIS monsters: a “threat” that, as usual, proved to be nonexistent.”
Its called Two Minutes Hate, Mr. Greenwald.
I have never read anywhere that Houthis of Yemen are enemies America; i only read about being a sect of Shiites in Yemen who take up arms after generations of oppression. I have also read somewhere that they are arch enemies of Sunni’s Al Qeda terrorists AQAP in Yemen. Yet the United States is supporting the chief of State’s sponsor of radical Islam against a would be ally. Supporting a despotic state that is killing poor people of Yemen.
Mostly good points. Not so sure about the “generations of oppression”, Yemen only unified in 1994, and is basically coming apart along the same fault lines.
Yeah its a sad indicator of our complicity for our msm mouthpiece to ignore those poor souls. This absurd contrived victimhood that we justify ourselves with is as weak as the phoney victimhood of the semite speaking zionists down there with their endless poor-us crap. We create terrorisim and everyone not in self-denial knows it! Q & btw; How cum isis dont attack semites in ashkenNazi land, cause then the occupiers would have to bomb themselves wen ground invaded, Yet we get this 4th of July bunk about isis attacking the good ole usa? Answer: isis goes all the way around semiteland to get the egyptians nevermind the usa whore ally #1 parasite in Palestine. Me thinks saudi’s funds isis, proxy usa, undercover semites, kill Yemenites, etc etc..
Saudi Arabia has been bombing Yemen, for weeks, with the help of US navigators.
What do you do when you find yourself on the wrong side, in the wrong country?
Right off of the front page of the New York Times tonight:
“…..Boko Haram’s Civilian Attacks Intensify…….The militant group has killed more than 200 people in the last week in Nigeria, including attacks on a restaurant and a mosque……”
Boko Haram – murdering innocent Muslims for power. Despite a staff of thirty-two (32) journalists, something you will not read about at the Intercept.
And?
Craig Summers exactly right. BTW I am NOT a conservative. But I do not like knee jerk criticism against the west. It is STILL infinitely massively better to live in the west than it is anywhere else on the planet. Open up your eyes and see. All I ask is fair critique. I am not asking for the world just for fairness about a nation whose military is the ONLY thing that stands between Glenn and true religious fascism where the best outcome for his life would be jail. IF he were lucky!
So you’re saying that if not for the US military, there would not be a gay person alive on the planet who was not imprisoned.
You are either mentally ill, pig ignorant, or both. I won’t get really bitchy unless I rule out the first possibility.
A Not Suffering Fools Gladly Production™ (h/t donger)
Mr. Greenwald
According to your source (Wall Street Journal):
“……U.S. officials want to find a quick diplomatic exit to the fighting—one that enables the U.S. to restore its counterinsurgency operations in the country and resume drone strikes against Yemen-based al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Those operations were curtailed by the fighting last month…..”
The Saudi air campaign does nothing but allow al-Qaeda and ISIS to fill in the void created by the Saudi war on the Houthis (who are an enemy of al-Qaeda). The US opposes the bombing by Saudi Arabia. Your source makes that clear. In addition, the Iranians who are participating in the Syrian war which has cost the lives of 250,000 Muslims are also supplying the Houthis inflaming the regional conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Once again, the net result is Muslims supplying Muslims on both sides to kill Muslims. Nobody targets and murders more innocent Muslims than Muslims. In many cases like the recent slaughter committed by ISIS in a mosque in Yemen, Sunnis (especially) commit senseless violence against Shiites – and the mosque usually is a favorite target (see Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait, for example). This is a common occurrence by the al-Qaeda aligned Pakistan Taliban. Al Qaeda has a long and sordid history of brutally targeting or supporting the targeting of Muslims for murder in Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Bin Laden once said:
“……Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs……”
This incredible lie has been propagated time and time again by extremist on the left. Islamic terrorism is not driven (as you would like your loyal followers to believe) by revenge, but by a will to gain power and subjugate Muslims (primarily) under Islamic law. Thousands of Muslims have made the trip from Europe to join ISIS when they could have stayed home and murdered white people. However, there is plenty of propaganda on this site usually in lock step with Bin Laden or Awlaki (Scahill article). No one can deny that. Nick Cohen sums up the apologists for Islamic terrorists in the Guardian fairly accurately (yesterday):
“……Compare the bravery of Bangladeshi intellectuals with the attitude of the bulk of the western intelligentsia. Whole books could be written on why it failed to argue against the fascism of our age – indeed I’ve written a couple myself – but the decisive reason is a fear that dare not speak its name. They are frightened of accusations of racism, frightened of breaking with the consensus, frightened most of all of violence. They dare not admit they are afraid. So they struggle to produce justifications to excuse their dereliction of duty. They turn militant religion into a rational reaction to poverty or western foreign policy…..”
And nobody wings out the race card any more than you, Mr. Greenwald (“savages”).
Why Craig, where you been? And a fine pile of non sequitur bilge you spew upon your return. It’s nice to see that some things do not change.
“Nobody targets and murders more innocent Muslims than Muslims.”
Hey, I already covered this. Stay off my satirical turf, please.
Say baldie, Glenn wrote a piece with the headline: “TODAY’S CIVILIAN VICTIMS IN YEMEN WILL BE IGNORED BECAUSE U.S. AND ITS ALLIES ARE RESPONSIBLE.” And that’s just what the column is about. Do you see any evidence that Craig knows this?
I don’t think he reads the articles.
Nic gave a more honest reply below: he doesn’t give a shit. But Craig, like a lifer in prison, must always squirrel away a spoon he can turn into a pointy thing he can stab his effigy of Glenn with. I wonder what trauma he’s reliving.
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@ Nic
Thanks for releasing Craig Summers. After you wrote, earlier in the thread, that we’d likely never hear from him again, I was getting worried.
Whatever.
Benito and Nic
Been working a lot and decided to take a break. Good to see you are still both fighting the good fight. It was a brilliant move in Greece to elect a Marxist to negotiate with the (capitalist) banking system to settle the Greek debt. Fuck you, EU. You live in a great neighborhood, Benito.
Take care.
“Islamic terrorism is not driven … by revenge, but by a will to gain power and subjugate Muslims (primarily) under Islamic law.”
A child could figure this out. Most people familiar with history and the history of war probably have done so already. But it takes a special mind to get from there to “as you would like your loyal followers to believe.”
“Driven,” btw, is a very different word from “fueled by.” When was the last time your gas tank drove your car?
Idiot.
Ceremonial burial as an argument for war.
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The Innocent are for Dying.
Once we only exaggerated the number of enemies killed, now we exaggerate the number our enemies kill. We call this compassion. From a purely ‘you get what you measure’ perspective the former is much preferable to the latter.
The true defining characteristic of the ‘War on Terror’, and the proof of its treason, is that, as civilians, we are much more valuable dead than alive. The propaganda value of our death far exceeds our contribution as citizens.
The best thing a civilian can do for the war effort is to die at the hands of our enemies. This is also the worst thing a soldier can do.
The day this calculation is no longer true is the day we are truly at war.
The interesting thing about the complete subservience of certain media outlets is that they are an unfiltered look into the desires of those in power–and those in power want more dead US civilians. Lots more. They aren’t warning, they are begging.
Meanwhile, the deaths of soldiers are hidden. Flags folded in darkness to emphasize the shame. This is how we end up with soldiers dressed as civilians hiding behind school buses–we call that intelligence.
The structural incentives underlying the current system are suicide.
Sure enough, not a single mention of the Saudi attack on Yemen on Australia’s ABC; literally nothing- I searched their site. Almost a hundred casualties in a ‘civil’ war apparently aren’t as newsworthy as the story that has is prominently placed today: An Iraqi fighter malfunctioning and accidentally dropping a bomb on Baghdad, killing eight.
Half truths, lies by omission: Insidiously manipulating public opinion since well before WWI.
So what’s new, the victims of all the wars in the middle east were ignored and still are to this day.. Reporter’s must don’t have anything to do, than write about this krap like.. Losers
Did anybody else notice this article regarding Holder telling how Snowden could now come home?:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/edward-snowden-clemency-eric-holder-obama-deal-20150706
Well, that’s not really what Holder said. He thinks a deal acceptable to everybody could be worked out, and admits Snowden contributed to the public good. But his successor, Loretta Lynch, immediately made clear she’s not on that page.
What has this got to do with Yemen?
It’s always been a convention in Greenwald’s comments that readers, as the thread ages, post on topics related to other issues he writes about. When the thread is really stale, even gardening and dogs get thrown in the mix.
Johnny Warman – Screaming Jets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v839Yoc4rUQ
Last night as I was dreaming
I saw the sky was bleeding
I heard the screaming jets
num num num na num ….
Last night the world was crying
I heard the children dying
(chorus)
I heard the screaming jets
num num num na num ….
no more no more
(again)
no more no more
num num num na num ….
(change)
Last night as I was crying
I heard the world was dying
there’s a ring around the sun
and it looks it’s goin back
to where it all begun
(chorus)
I heard the screaming jets
no more no more
(again)
no more no more
num num num na num ….
(chorus)
I heard the screaming jets
(again)
I heard the screaming jets
(again)
I heard the screaming jets
num num num na num ….
no more no more
More of the same:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/06/iraqi-jet-accidentally-bombs-baghdad-district
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v839Yoc4rUQ
Thank you for this, Glenn.
Wondering when fellow Americans will wake up and realize how deceitful and poisonous the people that “lead” us are. How many more illegal, murderous “wars” (invasions/occupations) based on lies to fulfill our own greedy geopolitical interests will it take for Americans to realize what their government is doing to people abroad, and consequently, making us more and more hated.
The U.S. gets into bed with countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel – supporting and funding their murderous governments- and then obliterates secular countries that refuse to be its poodles and bow down to it and its poisonous global imperialism and plundering. And then when they resist in their own lands they are “terrorists.”
This is America’s history for the last 100+ years. Wake up, people.
Well, actually, that’s been it’s history for its entire existence.
We could have had Canada, if only they hadn’t had a competent military.
In news that should shock no one, a leaked letter from Hillary Clinton to Democratic $billionaire-donor and Zionist fanatic, Haim Saban, has Hillary declaring:
In The Jerusalem Post Saban enthuses:
Obama propaganda speech today, building fear.
No mention of innocent civilians killed.
Don’t believe the hype.
This piece — and “Nic’s” idiocy below — prompts me to recall Glenn’s Salon column on the late, superb journalist, David Halberstam. Therein, Glenn quotes from Halberstam’s address in ’05 to Columbia journalism students about his contentious relationship with the military brass while in Vietnam covering that war:
And from a speech Halberstam gave in ’99:
Read the whole thing: http://www.salon.com/2007/04/24/halberstam_press/
The enormous value of The Intercept, and some other alternative outlets such as Democracy Now!, is that they avoid the trappings and corrupting trend Halberstam identifies. Journalism continues in venues such as this.
I couldn’t agree more and thank you, btw! The, “Oh. Then pretend I wrote this:” is still — ‘cracking’ me up!
And addendum Mona – Neil Postman’s Amusing Ourselves to Death already got there by 1985. He made much the same point but in an extended study. I’m guessing many commentators who regularly read Glenn already his work though.
I am an American, and I agree with everything in this article. I do however think that generalizing all Americans into the category of “willfully ignorant” and lacking empathy for the rest of the world is a little narrow minded and slightly insulting. The general population isn’t at fault for the lack of coverage of these terrible events brought about by our own government. Blame the big companies that control the media, not the American people who you seem to think are all Islamophobic.
Though this doesn’t apply to _all_ Americans, it certainly applies to a vast majority. I try to share things like this with collegues and friends and honestly, most of them flat don’t give a shit. They simpley _do_not_care_ about this stuff. The conflict is in Overthereistan and “they can’t do anything about it anyway” so they just ignore it. I’ve tried to get people to spend 60 seconds to email their representives simply saying “hey, we killed a bunch of people this morning, and that’s not okay”, or to read an article like this. I try not to be pushy but rather “suggestive”. When I follow up with people, they’ve never taken the time. “Oh I was busy”, etc. There’s always 3 hours to watch a sports game, but never 3 minutes to even lift a finger.
I don’t know why this is. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this. I think most people fully believe there is not a damn thing they can do, so they do nothing. People very close to me in my own family really dislike me to bring it up. They say they can’t do anything about it, and considering it just makes them angry, or it “bums them out”.
The US has become a true empire in the worst of ways, and the leaders have done a masterful job of lulling the population into blind complicity.
Thanks so much Glenn for writing this. Very well put. To the point. I’ll be sharing this with as many people as possible.
“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.” -Alduous Huxley
Here’s a detail about the tourist attack in Tunisia you didn’t hear from mainstream news
I’m a big fan Glenn but the line about American’s sacred day is confusing. Did you just lump all Americans together as being ultra national. I learned about the ISIS warnings from your twitter, so “my media” actually wasn’t mindlessly amplifying government story line.
Don’t take it personally, Bruce. While I can’t speak for Glenn, I’m fairly certain he was generalizing and referring to the collective masses. If the shoe don’t fit, don’t wear it. I’m glad he’s telling it like it is, something we all need to be doing.
When people look back at this time in our history there will be those who say “Well, that’s just the way it was back then”. We’ve been saying the same thing for centuries now. Slavery, genocide of Native Americans, the continued subjugation of both those populations will be minimized by that tired, overused phrase. It’s depressing, folks, and the deck is stacked against those who desire to live in a just world, but giving up definitely won’t bring about that better world. Who knows which letter or phone call will be the one that finally breaks the levee, but break it must. Right now, all over the globe, we’re acting out tomorrow’s “That’s just the way it was.” Thanks for the article, Glenn.
Yeah, don’t take it personally. He was talking about CNN, MSNBC, and Fox, and the evening News. He wasn’t talking about McClatchy, or The Intercept, or Salon etc, which are also “your” media.
Cheers :)
I’ve been creeped out by what’s been happening to The West over more than two decades, and I’ve been wondering: is this what thoughtful Germans and Italians felt like as fascism was allowed by corporations and churches to rot their respective countries?
This needs to be brought up at the Security Council. A US veto is to be expected, but it will be on the record.
CBS has this buried at the bottom of their homepage, under ‘World News’.
Tragedy strikes in Yemen as Arabs once again inexplicably kill Arabs. “Those people are always killing each other. It was all started by some guy named Ali, is what I hear,” said a K Street pedestrian who refused to give his name.
Meanwhile, experts express hope that the trouble will blow over by itself. “We can’t invade every single country in the Middle East,” said an unnamed official. “Just most of them.”
I think that readers often project their own feelings onto the author. I read the same piece as a celebration of the effectiveness of Western propaganda.
Years ago I mentioned two books to some self-proclaimed leftists: Public Opinion by Walter Lippman, and Propaganda by Edward Bernays.
I recommended these books to them. They said these were not books leftists should be reading because they were rightist writers.
I read books as expository of ideology rather than to acquire an ideology.
Your expositions are refreshing, Benito.
Mirror, mirror, on the wall.
Maybe we should sell bracelets? I can’t recall the name of my MIA, does that mean I didn’t miss him? It depressed Dad too much to see that his and the missings’ lives were just a rope to yank. He made me take it off. He thought it was bloody shit dirt ball. But one man’s dirt ball is another’s feet of clay! What say I call myself Yemeni for a day?
I feel like shite, again, like I have since the Gitmo, choir director. This fucking song needs a resolution! Who’s gonna take away our license to shrill?
While I find your incredibly stubborn idealistic streak charming, I think you might be less frustrated with the state of the world if you stopped to remember that you are more or less asking for a state that has never existed in the history of humanity. At least to my knowledge. When have people mourned their enemy as themselves? Did we have close-ups of the collateral damage during the World Wars? Did knights of yore write ballads about the virtues of the invading army? And, if we took on such tender sentiments, should we assume that hostile groups would do the same, and not simply see us as schmucks? It seems to me there’s no evidence that any other group is living in this world you envision either.
Again, I think it’s good and admirable to wish for a better and different kind of world. But it takes time.
Was there a point to all that, Nic? The state of affairs as you describe them is precisely the reason why such articles must be written.
Forgive me for waxing poetic, but are Yemenis our enemies?
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
If you say “Yemeni” ten times fast, you will have your answer.
You’ve apparently forgotten all about the massive coverage on television and other news venues about the terrorizing and slaughter of Vietnamese civilians by the US Military. That news coverage is what helped to overcome the mammoth propaganda campaign by the Pentagon.
Also this quote from you: “When have people mourned their enemy as themselves?” Where in Glenn’s commentary today do you see him referring to “mourning” the “enemy?” Even the title alone should have told you to leave that sentence of your on your cutting room floor, since included in the title is this by Glenn: “Today’s civilian victims in Yemen will be ignored.”
Ultimately, though, where I have the biggest problem with your wrong headed commentary is that you seem to think that if it has been ever thus, then it must be forever thus. You know, the reality of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were purposely buried for decades. And then: The Atomic Coverup — Greg Mitchell
Well written response.
Every time I read a comment similar to that of Nic, I’m flabbergasted at the lack of empathy displayed.
I believe, more than anything else, a great many Americans, most assuredly nearly all in government, have become cold hearted calculating creatures, seeking advantage no matter the cost.
Eventually this way of being will become our hallmark, and brand us as a dangerous people, to be sidelined, and contained for the survival of mankind.
Ok, I’ll try this again…The glaring problem with your argument here is that these people ARE NOT OUR ENEMIES!!!, much as you and most Americans would like and have been led to believe. The actions of the US and its allies, however, is making of them enemies, which is almost certainly intentional.
MOST Americans? Get off your high horse and realize that not all Americans are self-proclaimed victims and not all of us are Islamiphobes as you seem to think. I’m quite aware of my countries shortcomings, but the American people are not at fault. Just like a lot of the German population wasn’t at fault in Nazi Germany. And you’re welcome for winning the World Wars for you.
Where then, is the outrage? The cries for justice? For reparations? Not being heard from the American citizenry except in a very few cases. Willful ignorance is not much of an excuse, but mostly people just really don’t give a shit.
The US won both wars? The British and Russians, among others, will be interested to hear that.
Invading army?? The enemy???
Out of curiosity, in your mind does the US ever intentionally drop bombs on foreigners who are not “the enemy” or “invading armies”?
What a convenient way to dismiss US terrorism. Just say all the victims are “the enemy” and “invading armies” even when they are people no different than yourself, going about their daily lives, doing nothing whatsoever to justify their savage murders.
You are purposefully misunderstanding what I’m saying or you need to read again. I used invading army in a general metaphor regarding history, not to describe Yemen.
Interactions here, quite frankly, sound increasingly like witch hunts whenever the mildest difference of opinion is presented. You’re really stretching to find something to be offended by.
Why would you use an invading army as a metaphor for mourning civilians in an article about civilian victims, and considering that history has featured armies and the public mourning civilian victims of their military assaults, such as the mentioned Vietnamese civilians killed by US and South Vietnamese forces? What you wrote makes no sense at all. It only makes sense if the metaphor isn’t a metaphor. In which case it has nothing to do with this article because it would be about enemy combatants, not civilians. And even THEN, there are cases of mourning enemy combatants, such as Teddy Roosevelt’s son, and some instances in the Crusades, and others.
Christ on a cracker. Do you apply these same standards in most conversations? If someone says “My niece is so graceful, why, watching her dance puts me in mind of a fluttering butterfly?” do you roar “That comment makes no sense!! Either your niece is a butterfly or she dances by flapping her arms like wings in large looping movements, which, madam, is not at all graceful, or you a liar!! AHA!!“. (An aside, it would be kind of funny if you did, but my guess is that no, you don’t.)
It seems to me you guys (you and some other commenters) are trying to have it both ways. Either we are in no way shape or form involved in a conflict with Yemen, in which case Glenn’s article doesn’t make sense, not my comment. He should have said there is not news coverage of it for completely random reasons, or due to callousness (which is also quite possible, given how much we hear in the news about wars in parts of Africa and such.) He chose to say this is not getting news coverage because we are involved in a conflict. Now, if you want to say he’s wrong and we’re not actually involved in any such conflict, or that he’s right but we shouldn’t be involved, fine, that’s a totally separate topic that I didn’t touch on in my comment, which was essentially a sympathetic pat on the should to GG, who came across as upset and frustrated to me in this post. (God knows why this elicited such a witch hunt here, apparently because I did not verbally lay prostrate in front of GG and chant praise.) But you can’t say: 1. Yes, this article is totally valid, not getting news coverage because we’re involved in a conflict 2. OMG a commenter said we’re involved in a conflict with these people which is a total lie it must be because she has been cavorting with Satan otherwise known as ‘moderates’!!!
Anything I said about historical conflicts applies to, well, conflicts. Do you think in all of history every person involved in a war was non-civilian? That every person felt personal animosity towards the other country in the conflict? Etc.
“He chose to say this is not getting news coverage because we are involved in a conflict….. ”
…that the US administration does not want Americans to think about too much. There, fixed it.
Not following. Does this relate to the point I was making above or is it a point you just randomly wanted to make? If it’s the latter, no biggie, just trying to make sense of what you said.
“Not following. ”
I love sarcasm too, but it’s no substitute for logic.
Combined response to the above – I’m sorry for interrupting this episode of Sparkle Fairy Dreamland by making an observation that left you “flabbergasted” by my “lack of empathy”. I don’t think observing that in-depth coverage of the suffering that a group is fighting with – directly or indirectly – is a very new historical phenomenon (Vietnan being an eye blink away, by that scale) is exactly a shocking and controversial musing. If it is, sounds to me like you’re just on a mission to find a new group to demonize. And Kitt, in your third paragraph down, those are your assumptions, not mine. What part of “it takes time” equates to “forever thus?”. If I thought the world was unchanging, what referent for “it” could I possibly have been using, especially given the sentence about a better world that came right before that one?
Oh for sure. Because Glenn Greenwald has never before ranted about the pitiful state of the modern Western media, especially that in the U.S.
Are you fucking on crack?
I was talking to commenters there, not Greenwald. Greenwald seems to show a great deal of compassion for people, albeit wrapped up in a rather complicated personality, which is why I like him.
Oh.
Then pretend I wrote this:
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Oh for sure. Because the commenters here have never before ranted about the pitiful state of the modern Western media, especially that in the U.S.
Are you fucking on crack?
‘Nic’ is not on crack, IMO.
Eating paint chips as a child?
“Are you on fucking crack”, surely? Or are you related the President of France after all?
“Have you ever fucked on coke, Nick?”
–Sharon Stone, “Basic Instinct”
So in summary it is fine to “wish for a better world,” but it is “Sparkle Fairy Dreamland” to take the initiative to take the important action of writing about trying to make a better world.
Yes. Unfortunately, we are fresh out of sparkle right now. Please come back after 2016.
Indeed.
It may also be worth pointing out that in Yemen, the enemies of our “enemy” are not just backwards, anti-democratic, human rights violating monarchs, but also al Qaida and ISIS… the sales job of silence to support our war in Yemen has us on the same side as the perpetrators of 9/11 just like Syria… groups the establishment media goes on and on about endlessly… but not in this case.
Some may suggest this makes our media not just corrupt propagandists, but culpable of aiding the actual enemy that attacked America.
Forget it. I’m sorry I dared give an opinion that was mildly different. Not interested in being the witch in your hunt. Maybe if you ask nicely Craig Summers will come back, but I doubt it. Until then, enjoy the echoes.
Poor, oppressed, victimized Nic publishes teh stoopid (again), and then — raising her eyes heavenward to offer up her suffering for the poor souls in Purgatory — takes her leave.
What have you done to Craig Summers?
Craig disappears from time to time. The last episode was because he was traveling.
All DENSO Employees are expected to pull their weight at the factory at least a few months out of each year. CraigSummers is no exception. Hard to tell from this view which one is CS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaaeetUCF14
That civilians are NOT our enemy appears to be the point you missed, Nic. Also an implied point is to change that omnipresent war mentality. Is that man’s best expression? Is that the only vision that’s valid, friend or foe?
As a Roman historian I can say yes, the Romans were amazingly self aware and frank about the horrors they visited on others, and did not turn away. The greatest exposition of this is Calgacus’ speech in Tacitus’ Agricola, where Tacitus puts words into the barbarian’s mouth that constitutes a very harsh assessment of Roman rule. “To plunder, to butcher, to steal they call by the false name ’empire’, and where they make a desert they call it peace”. The Roman triumphal procession was at times a tough reminder of what the conquered had suffered, and the family of the conquered king could sometimes elect pity and calls for mercy (often the king would be executed). This is not an apology for the Romans – they did not conquer any the less.
But unlike us, at least they viewed the horror frankly, and knew what they visited on others – and yes, they celebrated it. We cravenly turn away.
Thank you very much for responding with something other than handwaving. I didn’t realize this about Rome and I do think part of societal evolution in 2015 should be understanding the human cost of our actions. On any ‘side’ of an issue. For example, I tend to hear from liberals that the criminal justice system unfairly targets the poor and that impoverished citizens are sick and tired of this treatment. On the other hand, I hear from conservatives that those living in poor neighborhoods are the ones actually affected by crime and that they’re disgusted with the attitudes of wealthy liberals who want laxer crime laws when they live in gated communities and won’t have to deal with the consequences. Who’s right? I don’t know and I honestly think it should be a “wherever the evidence leads” issue, in either direction. But I think the worst solution is to keep both high crime areas and prisons “out of sight out of mind”. Same for foreign policy. The Romans may have been callous but they lived in a harsh world where the average lifespan was 35 years or so. In 2015 I think the average person is genuinely concerned with the well-being of people in other parts of the world, although also concerned about issues like security, and often just gridlocked in what seem like no-win situations (I mean really, is there any outcome in Yemen that you can point to where you’d say “If only we’d do X, everything would be wonderful!”). So yes, I’m all for coverage of such issues and public discussion.
Thanks Glenn, A good read a always. There are lots of external and internal reason that makes us the Americans susceptible to propaganda. I am coning to the conclusion that they have our consent to misguide us. Today, there is no excuse for not knowing.
Constantly see gun and police violence protest installations around D.C. Never see anything about drone victims. Just saying.
“Never see anything about drone victims.”
Quite so, illustrating Glenn’s point perfectly, as the absence of said protests is evidence of the media’s singular success at assuring that the very existence of America’s drone victims remains thoroughly unknown to the American public at large.
https://www.popularresistance.org/tag/drones/“> — 192 (and counting) articles about drones, drone protests, victims of drone bombings and other affiliated subjects related to drones.
Millions of us know the inhuman things our government is doing; certainly the mainstream media does, and either will not print any report that denigrates the United States, or when they do print, one has to search deep within the publication, to find a watered down version of the report.
Yet it seems to me, there are far too many of us who refuse to get involved, refuse to speak up, presuming someone else will do or say something, or simply not caring.
We were not always that way; how we have become so self-centered and shallow is beyond me.
I think what Macroman and Legaleagle were referring to was the lack of coverage from the corporate “mainstream” media such as Fox or MSNBC. Not many people have probably even heard of independent media such as Popular Resistance or even ones with somewhat further reach such as Democracy Now! or The Intercept, which is part of our country’s problem in my opinion. Many people simply don’t try hard enough to educate themselves as much as they can as to what is REALLY going on, and hence they elect and re-elect the corrupt Democratic and Republican Party Establishment in droves, and our country’s problems continue. It’s a vicious cycle.
Noting Mel Farrell’s post, I think one easy way for people to get involved in rejecting the corruption would be to support decent opposition parties such as the Greens.
A shabby, dishonest, bought out media is of course part of our country’s problem, but one of the solutions to that has been voiced by many of the authors you will find here and posted or re-posted at PopularResistance. They can be read or heard saying, “Be the media.”
I’m not sure of what all Macroman and Legaleagle were referring to, but by posting what I posted I was pointing out that many drone protests have taken place, do take place, and will continue to take place. Msm coverage can’t be counted on to give much coverage or honest coverage any more so than they do for other issues which should be well covered.
Popular Resistance is directly responsible for writing some of the 192 columns, blog posts or articles collected at that link, but if you open and view what is inside the link you will see that Popular Resistance re-posts articles from all over the internet, including msm articles. There have been several re-posted there which were originally posted at The Intercept.
I was talking about my personal experience living in the imperial city. It is common to see series of photos of victims of gun and police violence around churches and memorials and so on. In other words, Trayvon could have been Obama’s son while Abdulrahman could not have been — that’s the position of the Washingtonians.