The Department of Justice charged Dylann Roof, the white 21-year-old man who allegedly gunned down nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina on June 17, with murder, attempted murder and use of a firearm, all in the commission of a hate crime. Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced the charges on Wednesday afternoon.
But the DOJ did not charge Roof with domestic terrorism, or include terrorism in the indictment.
Some media outlets, lawyers, public figures and activists have called for Roof to be charged not just with a hate crime, an illegal act “motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias,” but with the separate label of domestic terrorism. Critics contend that the label of terrorism is too often only applied to Islamic extremists, and not white supremacists or anti-government anarchists. Many were outraged after FBI Director James Comey balked at the term during a June 20 press conference, telling reporters he didn’t see the murders “as a political act,” a requirement he designated as necessary for terrorism.
Roof’s crime certainly seems to fit the federal description of domestic terrorism, which the FBI defines as “activities … [that] involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law … appear intended to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.”
It turns out there was one major obstacle in charging Roof with domestic terrorism: The crime does not exist.
“As you know, there is no specific domestic terrorism statute,” said Lynch during the press conference to announce Roof’s indictment.
Even when the USA Patriot Act, post 9/11, redefined terrorism to include domestic crimes, the provision simply allowed the government to investigate more broadly what it called “terrorism.” Actually charging someone with domestic terrorism remains a separate matter. Even criminals who use bombs or send money to ISIS — or Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev — are not charged with the crime of terrorism.
Because Tsarnaev used bombs, the 30 federal charges against him — unlike Roof’s case — included charges of “using a weapon of mass destruction,” which is one of the few crimes specified in the U.S. criminal code section for terrorism. So it was accurate to say he was charged as a terrorist.
But shootings, regardless of motivation, intention or number of deaths, likely don’t count. “It doesn’t seem like a shooting would fit,” says Faiza Patel, co-director of the Brennan Center’s Liberty and National Security Program. “Or else a lot of crime would get caught up” in the terrorism net, she tells me.
There are, however, “aggravating factors” to be considered during sentencing, which prosecutors usually list on a formal indictment, and which can be used to determine whether the death penalty is justified, and those include “substantial planning and premeditation,” to”cause the death of a person” or “commit an act of terrorism.”
In Roof’s case, the DOJ did not mention terrorism as an aggravating factor, but did reference “substantial planning and premeditation to cause the death of a person” for several of his charges. “When a prosecutor is writing an indictment, that’s what he or she has to prove at trial,” explains Michael German, a former FBI domestic terrorism investigator who now also works in the Brennan Center’s Liberty and National Security Department. “Rather than making a complex argument [and] getting into a big discussion on what terrorism is, they’ll make a simple argument.”
Lynch did not explain why “terrorism” was not listed as an aggravating factor in Roof’s indictment, though she did emphasize that the DOJ views hate crimes as “the original domestic terrorism.” She noted that Roof’s case, including his “discriminatory views towards African Americans” and his decision to target “parishioners at worship,” made his crime a clear-cut case of a federal hate crime.
Courts can also apply a “terrorism enhancement,” created in the mid-1990s, after sentencing, which would allow them to increase the penalty for the crime. This, writes Wadie E. Said, a law professor at the University of South Carolina, “also affords prosecutors and courts a vehicle of an expressive nature, to comment on their deep disapproval and condemnation of terrorism in a general sense.”
Mike German believes that even the enhancement could be “questionable” in Roof’s case. “If it had been a federal building rather than a church, a pipe bomb and not a gun …” he says. “It’s not distinguished by ideology, it’s distinguished by the nature of the crime. But I don’t have all the evidence.”
Some white supremacists have been charged with the terrorism enhancement in the past. In 2010, for example, neo-Nazi Wayde Lynn Kurt plotted an attack involving assassinating President Obama in Spokane, Washington, which he described as the “final solution,” and federal prosecutors added the enhancement to his sentence successfully.
For German and others, the issue is more about the importance of placing Roof’s crime against African American churchgoers in the realm of terrorism alongside radical Islamists and ISIS. “Calling it a hate crime instead of terrorism seems to suggest it’s less serious,” he says. “Rhetoric is important.” Patel echoes this notion: “It’s more of a question of the narrative of the issue. If you call what he did terrorism, you connect it to the broader definition of acts of terrorism.”
In general, however, Patel cautions against creating a specific domestic terror charge, because there are already too many crimes being labeled as terrorism that may be nonviolent or exercising freedom of speech. “You have all these acts that are terrorist but already criminalized,” she says. “[The crime of] providing material support to a foreign terror organization is already problematic. It captures things that are nonviolent.” And that, she believes, “comes close to the line of the first amendment.”
Lynch was asked whether or not there should be a federal domestic terrorism penalty to help bridge the gap between crimes like the shooting of five military personnel in Chatanooga, Tennessee — which was immediately branded as terrorism, by law enforcement and media alike — and Roof’s case, which was not. Lynch acknowledged the argument that leaving out the word terrorism may cause people to feel like the government “doesn’t consider those crimes as serious.”
But she doesn’t agree. “I want to be clear that nothing could be farther from the truth. This type of crime in particular, racially motivated violence for which a federal law was specifically enacted to cover, is of grave importance. … Sometimes people like to focus on the terminology. Since 9/11 there has been a great focus on [terrorism.] But it should in no way signify that this particular murder or any federal crime is of lesser significance.”
Caption: Roof (C), appears in court accompanied by assistant defense attorney William Maguire July 18, 2015 in Charleston, South Carolina.
I honestly don’t like the use of “hate crime”, as if it was some kind of special crime, partly because:
I wonder if it could be understood, that a prosecuting power (or state power as such) juggles with crimes against law, secondly people and thirdly the state, as mere theoretical options, and sort of indirectly treating crimes differently according to how different crimes can be used for political power in shaping society.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/07/26/our-definitions-of-national-security-crimes-are-fucked/
“…DOJ had no such problem with Joseph Buddenberg and Nicole Kissane, who got charged with terrorism (under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act) yesterday because they freed some minks. And a bobcat.
“…So shooting African Americans worshipping in church is not terrorism, but freeing a bobcat is.So shooting African Americans worshipping in church is not terrorism, but freeing a bobcat is.”
So instead of saying none of these are, you’re saying the opposite ones are?
Because to me it seems like none of these are terrorism.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/28/dylan-roof-terrorist-animal-rights-activists-free-minks/
I don’t understand how assassination of an elected official, like a state senator, is not a political act. Is this missing fact also confirmation of white supremacy? Oh they were church goers, I see, (black).
If he wasn’t targeted for being a senator, then why should it be given special political treatment? If anything that’d just make them more likely want to tuck that under the carpet a bit, not emphasise it: speaks to fallibility, and as we all know the US government is never wrong, never fallible, and always catches the bad guys before they commit crimes (at which point they can be called terrorists or failed assassins). ;)
Clearly the usual ‘race baiters’ are out in force on this thread. Blacks kill, rape, or mug several Caucasians – it’s just a ‘crime’, Caucasian kills a black person; ‘terrorism’.
Leaving aside the racist tone of your post…
I think you’re missing the entire point of the discussion. In this case, since Roof expressed political (in this case quite hateful), motives and seemed to want to instill fear and provoke more violence. THAT is why some of us feel it should be called “terrorism”. Other crimes are certainly awful and inexcusable, but not done for the same type of motives, so I certainly wouldn’t call them ‘terrorist acts.’
Here’s a thought: instead of dog-whistling (which is what I believe you’re doing) racist memes, why don’t you do something to help bring about a generally more peaceful society? Start thinking of what you can do to help us turn away from violence.
LOL “domestic terrorism” with crazy glue! http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/fbi-arrests-activists-accused-of-releasing-5740-mink-2/
(I am no fan of animal rights or the obnoxious mischief perpetrated in its name, but “terrorism” it is not)
Hey, Wnt –
I came here to post The Guardian article on the same story. Strange indeed to call this terrorism or —-
could “terrorism” be meaning something threatening to corporate interests?
Just wondering.
Sure, because corporations are people.
Now we just need to make products people too (instead of just making people products).
LOL – but there’s a lot of truth there :-)
When almost all computers connected to the internet, provided they belong to corporate entities, become ‘government-interest computers’, as they are supposedly according to new laws coming into effect, it isn’t long til every computer breach becomes a terrorist act. Then the war on terrorism can truly never end, and the corporations can squawk that they’re under constant terroristic attack. They’re already going out of their way to sneak ‘terror’ into stories about hackers… and plant incidents. We really need a good definition of terror, because honestly… I don’t want corporations making those calls any more than I want the government to. BTW have you ever seen the Canadian tv show ‘Continuum’?
Looks like Glenn Greenwald was on top of this story himself – less than three days and he put together this: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/28/dylan-roof-terrorist-animal-rights-activists-free-minks/
He murdered NO ONE. Didn’t happen. Pastor pickaninny ain’t dead. They showcased a wax dummy who looked nothing like him. Church to get millions to restore the building.
And he is an actor…and not really a 21 year old. The bowl haircut is to hide his identity.
Sounds like a whole bunch of double talk from worthless double talking politicians
He is not charged with terrorism because killing black folk in S.C. isn’t terrorism, it’s tradition. The generational racism is so inbred most of these people can’t see it in themselves.
True Rick. I would add that by not calling it a terrorist act the Nazis running the NSA/CIA won’t have to admit they “missed one”; that is, if you believe they did. Propaganda has many dimensions, many facets, wrapped in countless lies and deceit. It can hardly become something uglier. If there was any truth out there we would be hard pressed to recognize it.
Roy – very cogent thoughts from you and Rick.
If Roof is not a terrorist, how is it that the Chattanooga shooter is being declared a terrorist?
Because he is white. Because he killed black people. Because the gop senate and house has members in the KKK. Three good reasons why I hate the gop !
I would have filed hate crimes on him before terrorism.
BUT if you want a GLARING error (by the DOJ) look no farther than the Muslim that shot 11 servicemen at Ft.Hood, and the Muslim that just murdered 5 Military men weren’t.(but them we are talking about the OBAMA DOJ correct, nuff said.
Dylan Roof’s crimes were hate crimes, plain and simple. I think that charging him with first-degree murder is sufficient.
Terrorism is a buzz word the US government uses to intimidate the general population so we’ll support the government’s military adventures. They use it when it will advance their agenda and discard it when it would be an embarrassment.
It’s easy to get the feeling that lawyers, politicians, and ordinary people speak different languages, and I don’t see the politicians as being much use as translators. I think we ordinary folk sometimes miss the specialised meanings in the law. I know I was surprised to read my country’s legal definition of “rape”—it’s given much wider meaning by non-lawyers, and not just in metaphor.
I’d class some of the people at the top of the FBI as politicians. They should know better than to use the language in the way that they do. They should know the differences exist.
“Why Wasn’t Dylann Roof Charged With Terrorism?”
Because what he did wasn’t an act of terrorism.
Next!
Evil impulses within human beings have been collectively given names and personified — names, such as Satan, Shaytan, Lucifer, Iblis, etc.
They provide excellent teaching opportunities to us: whatever they say, its opposite is the truth. It’s that easy.
F*ck me, I’m agreeing with Wheezy.
Oh look, it’s a bird, it’s a plane… is that… *a pig* up there?!
Ugh.
Federal criminal law defines domestic terrorism thus:
The terrorism statutes, §§ 2331 et seq, are at
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-113B
That’s on its face, at least. So, if you’re the U.S. Attorney, why not charge it anyway, even if it drops off in plea bargain or isn’t part of the final conviction? Either it fits the statute or it doesn’t, unless there’s a procedural reason, like letting the state prosecute it first.
Anybody?
I suspect the reasons are similar to why the Aurora movie theater shoot-up wasn’t charged under terrorism charges. They have what they have in the bag. They don’t need fuzzy crimes; if anything, adding fuzzy crimes could ruin their case. Which isn’t to say they cannot add charges later — they can. Terrorism charges are ‘best’ when you can use them to roll over into other cases (similar to RICO cases, or conspiracy cases — though conspiracy’s added to charges a lot more often; it provides a different kind of slam dunk for the prosecutor — again, a fuzzy one). I’m not sure it’d be a safe bet to assume plea bargaining in this case (at least not yet); he could very well go to trial and/or plead some form of incapacitation/insanity. My guess is he’ll go for the jury trial.
I’m not sure if this is what you’re inquiring about. It’s just some minor analysis.
Of note (and I had no idea when I wrote my comment about what happened in Louisiana — had it happened already?), I’m not seeing the Louisiana cinema shooter John Houser being called a terrorist (yet) — despite some pretty vitriolic online commenting. Because that wasn’t terrorism. Terrorism charges are generally a matter of convenience and a call for public flaying.
Glenn’s got it right and the definition of “terrorism,” instead of just being about terrorizing innocents, is as self serving as it needs to be. For example:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/israel_declares_rock_throwing_as_terrorism_coul_up_to_20_years_jail_time_20
“Why Wasn’t Dylann Roof Charged With Terrorism?”
Um, White Privilege?
Um, yes. From the article:
Now, if his name were Dalaan al-Ruf …
It’s not even because this was domestic, or because he’s non-Muslim. There’s a prior case that’s very similar, except no one ended up getting killed, and the perpetrator was black. The guy got convicted on terrorism charges.
I think it’s a conscious political decision not to charge Dylann Roof with terrorism. The propaganda value of the term is diminished. Notice that our resident troll, Louise, seems to be very much against labeling Dylann Roof a terrorist. There’s probably a reason for that.
The fact that Corkins did not ‘succeed’ (this may seem counterintuitive) is actually probably more what got him the charges he got — far more than him being black. There was also the manner in which he committed his acts — and the fact that (this may seem counterintuitive) a US Senator was NOT involved in his case.
That’s not to say there was no logic to the government’s case — he did make ‘terroristic threats’ (no if, then, else like, say, wielding a gun at a bank robbery).
He made himself a useful example that was far LESS complicated by politics than Roof did — or complicated by politics, but maybe not in the way you think (ie, “a race thing”). His potential ‘victims’ were ‘normal status’ but ‘special interest’ (no love for certain people, etc). Roof’s actual victims weren’t (all) normal status. Keep it less complicated. Politicians were involved, and that implies actual vulnerability, not useful ‘vulnerability’ — it behooves the government to make those cases not about terrorism.
I suspect if Corkins had succeeded, he’d have gotten the same sort of treatment as Roof. But we’ll obviously never know.
Just theories.
Note, I’m not calling what the government does, by any stretch, ‘logical’. But it, like most people/things, does have *a* logic, and a fairly predictable one (a somewhat-predictable heuristic may be a better way of putting it).
The problem is labelling any criminal act as “terrorism”. Call the 9/11 perpetrators what they are. Murderers. The motivation is irrelevant. In fact, when the crime is mixed up with political overtones, the murder of innocents can be claimed in some twisted sense to be justified. International law enforcement authorities need to figure out a way to deal with this without sending in invading armies. As for Dylann Roof and Mohammod Abdulazeez, the guy who killed four marines in Chattanooga, what purpose is served by calling them terrorists? They’re criminals, no more, no less.
I wholeheartedly agree. By applying labels like terrorism or hate crime, the authorities are in effect pandering to hate groups (it being just as immoral to hate haters as it is to hate blacks or jews or muslims or whatever) and implicitly valuing some lives more than others. I understand that the motivation for hate crime legislation was to ensure prosecution of murderers in locations where otherwise there would be none, but in the particular case of Mr. Roof, the local authorities have demonstrated their commitment to prosecute him to the full extent of the law.
The US has embarked on a campaign to root out terrorists, would-be terrorists, and terrorist sympathizers in a manner that recalls the red-baiting of the early 1950s. Now, as then, many completely innocent people are being ruined or entrapped by law enforcement agencies and political leaders for whom the Constitution is at least inconvenient and at most irrelevant. It also seems that now, just as then, a multitude of fear-infected citizens are willing to go along with or even encourage these practices.
Why should he be charged with terrorism? He shouldn’t. He wasn’t seduced by ISIS virtual propaganda. He was trained in Yemen or Jordan or Syria. He wasn’t recruited by anyone, but acted on only his warped perception of reality motivated by racial hatred. He has been charged with hate crime. Terrorism no. He wasn’t part of al Qaeda 19 who hijacked planes and slammed them into key iconic U.S. buildings. Dylan is no terrorist; just a crazed lone wolf in every sense of the word. No holy jihad and Cuban political motivations stirred in him.
holy jihad, no, crusade, yes. And only a christian would see a difference.
Regardless of what we call it, it must operate within the boundaries of the Bill of Rights/U.S. Constitution for all U.S. Citizens and all non-citizens on U.S. Soil or U.S. controlled territories. The U.S. Constitution is a wartime charter designed to be followed during wartime with temporary emergency clauses already built in. There is no terrorism exemption to the U.S. Constitution.
Three points come to mind while reading this article. First as long as this sick piece of work spends the remainder of his existence in prison (yes death penalty would end that existence just fine), I really do not care if he is labeled by the government as a terrorist or not.
Second what is the real concern with labeling Roof as a terrorist? It seems that the argument here is more about applying some perverse form of affirmative action when using the terrorism label. As if there is a need to apply some form of “social justice” to these criminals to make sure every race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation has equal opportunity to be labeled a terrorist.
Third point: One can understand that to most people many crimes can be called “terrorism” based on the degree of violence and malevolence involved but those crimes may not fit the legal definition of terrorism. The big factor in the legal definition is the ability “to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government ” While Roof is a sick twisted and frightening individual, he never had any ability to influence or coerce the policy or conduct of the government. One may argue that other people have been charged incorrectly as terrorist and had no more influence than Roof, but charging Roof as a terrorist does not make that injustice any more correct.
” While Roof is a sick twisted and frightening individual, he never had any ability to influence or coerce the policy or conduct of the government. ”
First, the most notorious US terrorist group in our country’s history is the KKK and their goals to “coerce the policy or conduct of the government” are identical to Roof’s – to get rid of African-Americans.
Second, what ability did Osama bin Laden ‘s actions have to “coerce the policy or conduct of the government” that was greater than Roof’s? If it was to get the government to initiate the endless war on terror, that’s because the US government WANTED that. The US government is indifferent to stopping the goals of the white supremacists, no matter how many innocent civilians are targeted & murdered through their terrorism.
That language is in Title 18 of the U.S. Code — see my comment further on about the Federal terrorism statute — but it’s neutral as to single-actor or not. The Federal statute on criminal conspiracy is a different law, and on the facts, not available here. (See 18 U.S.C. §§ 241 and 371). Meantime, the domestic-terrorism charge is there if a Federal prosecutor wanted to throw the book, as it were.
The terrorism statute is broadly worded, even vague, that’s the problem.
It does matter. And I think those who oppose using the label understand this as well, and that’s why they explicitly oppose it.
If white Americans get labeled terrorists, and they get associated with ideologies that are not that uncommon in the US, that forces the population to think about certain principles regarding how you deal with people that have certain beliefs or fit a certain profile. All of the sudden, a policy of assassinating suspected radicals starts to look more like what it is: extreme.
Gotta love the way that people who want everything under one single label think that a caucasian white person from the Northern Caucasus region in Europe is suddenly brown just because they are a Muslim and are called a terrorist? What exactly color do you think the Tsarnaev brothers are/were?
Might I suggest that it’s your labels that make all terrorists non-white, not the government’s?
In case it wasn’t more than obvious, when I said white Americans, I excluded Muslim whites. Tsarnaev might look white enough, but he’s clearly an “Other.”
Any kind of social construct can be used to justify a tribal mentality that seeks to preserve a power structure, be it race, class, nationality, religion.
Many of the captured “terrorists” of the last decades where in fact legally fighting the US invasions, the label illegal combatants does not change that. GW Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are the real terrorists here.
Now that the US has blocked every way to close Guantanamo, I think the Coalition of the Willing got to take the people in that are free to go. They also helped the US with the renditions and cooperated with the illegal wars in every way. But the US of A is the last one that should lecture the world about what is terror.
Aafia Siddiqui was not charged with terrorism, nor was it mentioned in the indictment. She was found guilty on charges that summed to about 20 years, maximum. The judge then garnished the sentence for terrorism and she got 86 years.
If the argument in The Daily Beast is to be believed, then the reason for using a terrorism charge would be public safety. Given the sentences that can be arranged as it is, the public will be quite safe. The other two, the Cuomo tweet and the Washington Post blog, favor a terrorism charge specifically because they feel it would be justice to Muslims or non-whites who are so charged. Is that the way justice works? My community faces an injustice, I demand you commit an identical injustice against the other communities too?
It seems to be… Or maybe, you swat me with a flyswatter, I smash you with a sledgehammer (show greater force, works to sublimate further fomentation?).
(BTW, I noticed you didn’t reply to my post on Micah’s article. Shall I take that as a no? If so, no prob, just let me know so I can stop looking for a response).
No, don’t take it as a no. I had actually communicated to you a much simpler approach, albeit in flowery language of vagaries and such. But your approach looks interesting, I’m reading up on one of the protocols you mentioned that I am unfamiliar with.
The problem with that is similar to what I suggested in one of my responses in that thread: One can never tell if one is seeing intended patterns or seeing patterns because they’re looking for them — or having patterns created just to make someone think so; I could do it — I’m pretty sure you could too — and plenty of other people also do it, especially here — which is one reason why I generally am not fond of that approach — though I won’t say I haven’t done the same at times. Sometimes, to be quite frank, comments on this site just seem like Greek to me. Or maybe Aramaic; Bible Code phenomena much?
The way I see it, though, one cannot both have a system and use the system to communicate how the system works: it exposes the system for anyone who knows to look for one. The real problem is the limited scope and context (and necessarily so). I think that’s what we were both attempting to get at on Micah’s article, but correct me if I’m wrong? Either way, I made a mistake attempting to be direct.
…have a system and use an untrusted system to communicate… etc.
Answer: “HYSTERIA”
Killings doesn’t fulfill
government Agenda definition.
Build FEAR in the people’s and we can sell them anything.
Bushy boy, Obama, Holder, Lynch.
FBI COINTELPRO STASI
Well the big distinction (or reason) that I see why Roof isn’t charged with “domestic terrorism” other than the fact that isn’t actually defined as a specific crime, is because there isn’t a $700 Billion plus dollars to be made year in and year out combatting “domestic terrorism”. There is in Muslim “terrorism”. I mean you honestly think the American people are going to go along with a budget that ups the DOJ or FBI budgets even a couple of billion dollars to investigate and prosecute crimes against “those people” in the domestic population (i.e LGBT, African Americans and other assorted “minorities”)? Get serious, they can pay flunky high school educated goons peanuts on the state, county and city payroll as policepersons to do that.
There just isn’t any money in that type of law enforcement if it doesn’t need $1 Trillion expenditures over 50 years for things like the F-35, and the profits that go to defense contractors and ultimately the paltry portion that redounds to Congresspodpersons in the form of campaign contributions to keep the entire immoral charade going.
If the people ever thought long and hard about what $680 billion + a year in “defense” spending actual buys the American people, rationally, instead of through their lens of “exceptionalism” and “irrational fear of others”, probably every single Congresspodperson would be executed and their heads displayed on pikes down Pennsylvania Avenue in as long as it took for “we the people” to run them down on foot.
Here’s my particular worry about creating a well-defined, specific crime labeled “Domestic Terrorism”:
The inevitable, quick-to-follow “Domestic Patriot Act,” which strips African Americans of more of their Constitutional rights in the name of keeping them safe from racists who “hate them for their freedom”.
Speaking of terrorism – my question is “why was the NSA unable to prevent this tragedy from happening?”
Answer: The NSA is populated by mostly whites. It is a racist organization that targets only minorities. Instead of putting kids like this under 24 hour surveillance, they put law-abiding Americans like me on constant watch.
@ F.U. NSA
There is probably way more truth in your “Answer” than anybody would ever really care to admit. I actually can’t wait until the day the Muslim/African American wing of Anonymous takes the entire NSA offline by hacking it. It would be even better if they destroyed all rich people’s proof of “asset” ownership and threw them into instant penury.
I wonder if he had shot nine Senators or high powered lobbyists or company CEO’s or big bankers would the charges be different? Recruiters and attendees at a prayer meeting aren’t big donors so they don’t count to Washington’s fascists.
Gabby’s six dead constituents were victims of a very sick young man, well known to the community, who is now under medication and wants to take his own life for the terror he threw down. Sick Fuck Syndrome. So, is it torture to make him live with himself? Or should we let him go back to thinking sick?
Shorter: terrorism, for real, is a realistic attempt to negate the security of the state sufficiently as to create the conditions for major political change of an illegitimate variety. What Roof did could never have come near such a thing in truth, though the fantasy of race wars does play on in the heads of some racists.
What Timothy McVeigh did was terrorism – a direct assault on Federal power of an enormous sort, which if unchecked, would have heralded a wave of anti-government terrorism that could threaten the state. What Roof did was racist murders and was promptly denounced by the people and State together.
It is legit to argue that what Roof did amounted to terrorism.
Placing that aside, I think multiple murder and other attempted murder counts, along with hate crimes prosecution, should be sufficient.
We really should resist the urge to constantly reclassify criminal activity under the rubric of “terrorism”, because the truth is that, while “terrorism” is prosecuted under civilian criminal law, there is an aspect of real terrorism that involves necessarily the national security apparatus.
I think we can see that we need to not involve the national security apparatus so much in our domestic (and foreign, really) affairs.
Thanks for an article that discusses the question rather than lining up thoughtbites for a foregone conclusion.
It’s not so much the lack of a formal charge that upsets me but rather the media’s labeling of the murders. The front-page headlines should have included “terrorism,” and such discussion should not have been relegated to the opinion pages.
Because if non-Muslims were charged with terrorism, some people wouldn’t be able to claim: “While not all Muslims are terrorists, ALL terrorists are Muslims!”
Why Wasn’t Dylann Roof Charged With Terrorism?
Why isn’t Dylann Roof hanging from a gibbet?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gibbet
Because real terrorists do this:
“Muslim Man Who Wants To Build Youth Camp Shocked By Terrorism Accusations”, at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/david-salha-michigan-muslim-camp-islamophobia_55a7a1d3e4b0896514d060e3?
I remember you mentioned to me once that one Muslim organization issued a Fatwa against terrorism. Is that still in force?
Did YOU read that fatwa?
It’s here: http://www.minhajbooks.com/images-books/Edict-Terrorism-Fitna-Khawarij/Edict-Terrorism-Fitna-Khawarij_1.pdf
Read it thoroughly and see if you understand it.
Thanks for putting us on to that article. What a sad read. I just keep asking myself – this can’t really be happening can it?
Unfortunately, it is.
Nine counts of murder and federal hate crime should equal death penalty. He murdered 9 innocent people, that makes him a terrorist.
“Terrorism” is used when politicians need an excuse to divert money to war, occupation, and oppression of those “over there” instead of roads, hospitals and schools here. I think the term here should be “severe mental illness fueled by a radical racist upbringing.” What this sick creep did has always been a crime, and Muhammad Youseff Abdulazeez’s attack on military personnel in Tennessee has always been your garden variety “enemy attack on a military instillation.” I don’t think Roof’s punishment would be that much different. At 54, Roof’s actions seriously compromised my long-held opposition to the death penalty; call it whatever you want, but maybe some people really deserve to die.
A belief that a person deserves to die is not, necessarily, inconsistent with the conviction that the state lacks (or should not claim) the authority to execute.
It’s too bad there can be no formal charges brought against the Chatanooga shooter…Such a quandary that would be.
Oh, the fact that he is currently dead should not deter the fine people who are interested in revenge from getting their due. There is always the possibility of desecrating the body. And perhaps disposing of the remains in a manner inconsistent with his religion. Or perhaps singling out one or four or ten or a million people of his ethnicity for special treatment.
Special treatment (Sonderbehandlung): now there’s a phrase I expect to see creeping into general use any day now.
I can think of worse semantic distinctions in the law. Think of all the women who have had to deal with embarrassing explanations of why their attacker wasn’t charged with “rape” but “involuntary deviate sexual intercourse”.
Lol. How about “indecent liberties by forcible compulsion”?
RCW 9a.44.100 (1)(a), (2)(b)
are there pro-government anarchists?
where does the geographic limitation in the terrorism statute arise? why would a new law be needed if the terrorism law on the books fits?
U.S. has spent plenty of time describing if not outright designating vandals motivated by ecological or animal welfare causes as terrorists…
The “pro-govt. anarchists” you call Republicans/Tea-Party, the “pro-govt. Terrorists” you call Military ;-)