I’M CONCERNED for the education of Reese Kasich. The 15-year-old daughter of the Ohio governor and Republican presidential candidate, John Kasich, has reportedly received some troubling lessons from her father. In a foreign policy address Tuesday, the governor said he’s been explaining to his child why the U.S. should not accept Syrian refugees. “Reesy, you know, we understand these people are in trouble,” Kasich recounted saying. “But think about us putting somebody in our street, in our town, in our country who mean us harm. We can’t do that, can we, Reesy?”
For a teenager living in Westerville, Ohio (population: 36,120), I could imagine that 10,000 might sound like a lot of people. But I am keen to reassure Reese Kasich that she need not fear the U.S. government’s plan to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees over the course of the next fiscal year. This is a very limited number of extensively vetted individuals who go through the slow, staggered, and bureaucratically arduous process of refugee resettlement in the United States. No one is putting harmful people on your street, Reesy. Daddy’s trying to scare you.
Following the attacks in Paris last Friday, for which there is no solid proof of Syrian refugee involvement, more than half of U.S. governors — all Republican but one — and a number of conservative lawmakers stated that they would block the entry of Syrian refugees into their states. House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday called for a “pause” in the program accepting refugees from Syria. Then, on Thursday, the House passed a bill that would see the program suspended until a stricter vetting system is established; the legislation now heads to the Senate.
Governors have no power to exclude refugees — federal agencies alone make those decisions. Their threats should be dismissed as the worst political posturing, but taken seriously as an index of the current atmosphere of ignorance and bigotry. The political will to block all Syrian refugees from this country is troubling, tout court. But it also gives the false impression that the Obama administration had planned to make much space for Syrians at all.
“The U.S. contribution towards resettlement has been really minimal, given the size of the catastrophe, and our capacity,” Eleanor Acer, senior director of refugee protection at Human Rights First, told The Intercept. In September, the president announced that the government would expand its refugee resettlement program to accept at least 10,000 Syrians over the course of the next fiscal year. Since 2012, about 1,800 Syrians have been granted refugee status in the U.S., after a process requiring 18 months to two years of vetting for each individual.
Obama’s announcement was met with little fanfare. David Miliband, president of the International Rescue Committee, called the offering “cold comfort,” while Oxfam’s vice president for police and campaigns, Paul O’Brien, said it “scratche[d] the surface.” Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have both said that the U.S. should take 65,000 Syrian refugees. “A number of former government officials advised that the U.S. could admit 100,000,” Acer told The Intercept. Currently, there are 4 million Syrian refugees outside the beleaguered nation’s borders, and 7.6 million internally displaced people within.
The vagaries of geography mean that Europe is experiencing the largest movement of displaced people since the Second World War. Germany — which is one-quarter the size of the U.S. — expects to register 800,000 refugees this year alone; more than 100,000 of the refugees already registered for asylum are from Syria. Over half these applications have been granted. Turkey expects 1.7 million refugees to enter from neighboring Syria this year. For Europe, as The Guardian’s migration correspondent Patrick Kingsley wrote, the “passage [of refugees] cannot be avoided; it can only be better managed.”
Kellie Strom of Syria Solidarity U.K. stressed the need for establishing routes to asylum to undo the current and perilous aim of reaching European soil. “If refugees had a regular way of seeking asylum at embassies,” she told The Intercept, “or were able to board planes without airlines risking fines, then lives would be saved; millions of dollars would not be lost to the illegal smuggling market; and security measures could be applied in the same way as for other travelers, something not possible when thousands are landing daily on Mediterranean beaches.” Smuggler boats will not traverse the Atlantic Ocean; refugees from Syria will not simply arrive on American soil en masse. The U.S. has shirked international responsibility in offering so few Syrians sanctuary.
Perhaps the most pernicious effect of the governors’ opposition to any and all Syrian refugees is that — on the basis of what the president rightly has called “hysteria” — his administration must defend offering to admit 10,000 people. The political space to push for more is being foreclosed.
The U.S. admits around 70,000 refugees every year. Because of expansions to the program, the admissions ceiling is now at 85,000. This is no historic height; in 1993, largely as a response to the Balkan wars, the U.S. resettled 142,000 people. Bill Frellick, director of Human Rights Watch’s refugee program, told The Intercept that the U.S. refugee resettlement program is structured as a “durable solution,” which is a problem for those seeking a “tool of protection.” Frelick’s point is that the asylum process in the U.S. is stuck in a backlog, precisely because of the lengthy screening procedures involved and multi-federal agency checks. The procedure’s slow-moving gears partially account for the small offering made by the Obama administration toward Syrian refugees; admitting 10,000 Syrians over the next year actually amounts to working through a backlog of referral candidates already put forward, and vetted, by the UNHCR.
“Syrian refugees are vetted more closely than any other population. There are multiple screening levels, and candidates are interviewed in depth by the Department of Homeland Security while still overseas,” Acer said. She added that Congress is kept abreast of the sort of vetting process involved; lawmakers do not have the reasonable excuse of ignorance regarding the extensive security measures already in place.
Nonetheless, the bill passed in the House yesterday demands that Syrian resettlement be paused until even stricter screening procedures are established. The bill would require the three top U.S. security officials — Homeland Security secretary, FBI director and national intelligence director — to certify to Congress that each Syrian or Iraqi refugee is not a security threat before the refugee can be admitted into the country. The White House swiftly issued a veto threat; such extra vetting is time-consuming overkill, to say the least, when we are already talking about the most extensive, multi-level screening process the U.S. carries out.
“That’s the irony, and the obvious politicization of this issue,” Frelick told The Intercept, “that the focus is on refugee admissions, which are the most screened. The number of Syrians with diversity visas [obtained through a lottery and offered to nations with low immigration rates to the U.S.] far exceeds the number let in as refugees.” Marx, it seems, had a point when he commented that if history repeats itself and “all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice,” then it is “the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.” If the space offered to Syrian refugees by the U.S. was at first tragically small, it is now being farcically scrutinized for political cachet.
Omar Hossino of the Syrian-American Council told The Intercept that his D.C.-based organization had written to the oppositional governors to invite them to meet with some Syrian refugee families and hear their stories, to convey that “no Syrian wants to be a refugee.” We should not have to implore powerful, elected representatives to look in the face of those few who have been granted asylum for them to understand the hydra-headed horrors of living under Daesh or the Assad regime and the need for refuge. But, then again, nor should we have to explain the foolishness of politicians seeing (or rather evoking) terror in 10,000 of the most screened potential U.S. residents. First as tragedy, then as bitter farce.
Top photo: Aerial view of tents at a camp for asylum seekers on the grounds of the former army barracks Schmidt-Knobelsdorf-Kaserne in Berlin, September 9, 2015.
I suspect that multinational corporations and their paid-for politicians and lobbyists are a far greater threat to people’s freedom, safety and the fundamental ‘American principles’ that these self-same bastions of self-interest espouse than any refugee presents.
strange that the Obama and the United States that started all the Mideast unrest is taking in the smallest amount of refugees over the longest period of time and Canada is taking in 35000 refugees over a 2 month period. who is the most compassionate nation?
Wow… nice to see so many commenters well informed – just wondering how long before Intercept cuts off commenting?
“But I am keen to reassure Reese Kasich that she need not fear the U.S. government’s plan to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees over the course of the next fiscal year. This is a very limited number of extensively vetted individuals who go through the slow, staggered, and bureaucratically arduous process of refugee resettlement in the United States. No one is putting harmful people on your street, Reesy. Daddy’s trying to scare you.”
Clearly the author of this article has not read:
Visas for Al Qaeda: CIA Handouts That Rocked the World: An Insider’s View
by Arthur J Springman.
Review (excerpt):
The essence of his first-hand experience is that he was required as chief visa officer in Saudi Arabia to issue what he regarded as illegal visas to large numbers of U.S.-backed Islamic fundamentalists transiting through Jeddah from multiple Islamic nations so they could visit the United States for secret purposes.
Those purposes, Springmann later concluded, involved covert training at such locales as “The Farm,” a CIA training facility in Williamsburg, Virginia. The trainees, he alleges, were vagabond Islamic mercenaries, revolutionists and jihadists — an “Arab-Afghan Legion” — who could be unleashed on America’s enemies.
http://www.justice-integrity.org/faq/798-shocking-new-book-links-illicit-u-s-visas-to-terrorists-current-wars
Extensively vetted indeed!
Though, you are right that it is bad situation & help is needed, but, as you say..
“Syrian refugees are vetted more closely than any other population. There are multiple screening levels, and candidates are interviewed in depth by the Department of Homeland Security while still overseas,”
That seems to contradict those who’s job it is to do the vetting,
the FBI .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HZ4A7YGKl4
And, the Homeland Security Committee .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB7vT1Q0Fm4
We live with the potential of endless violence in America including Christian terrorists who believe a gun free zone is a state of mind that is asking to be attacked. We’re supposed to accept it. So why cant we accept people from countries we’re also trying to destroy? Having a history of violence in their country makes America a natural place for them to be sent. Come on.
Can we at least pretend to be decent?
a little flashback reminder via PDF.
“Most experts agree that Syria, host to the most vulnerable Iraqi community, should be the primary target of U.S. resettlement efforts, and the administration needs to think more creatively about alternative mechanisms to increase our processing ability there.”
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CPRT-110SPRT41773/pdf/CPRT
“I. THE REFUGEE CRISIS
The flight across borders of some two million Iraqis, especially in 2006-07, has been described as “the world’s fastest growing displacement crisis” and the largest in the Middle East since the Palestinian exodus. It is estimated that there are about 1 million Iraqi refugees in Syria, 500,000 to 700,000
in Jordan and more than 400,000 in other neighboring countries
As Elizabeth Ferris of the Brookings Institution warns, “[i]f the refugees do not receive sufficient support from the host governments and the international community, there is a very real danger that political actors
will seek to fill the gap.
Some argue that displaced men and women, desperate for funds, could easily
fall prey to militant groups. In fact, the Iraqi refugee situation is often compared to the worst refugee case studies (e.g., Afghanistan) in which refugees paid and armed by third parties undertook jihad against their
countries.”
Pretty solid case there. No? Syria helped where we created despair and now they have a big problem.
Hello responsible conservatives, where are you?
“As former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton explained it, sectarian violence, not American actions, created the refugee problem so it was therefore not the United States’ responsibility:“Our obligation . . . was to give them new institutions and provide security. We have fulfilled that obligation. I don’t think we have an obligation to compensate for the hardships of war.”
http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/2008/12/10-iraq-cohen
The hell it was, the hell we did and the hell we don’t.
You’d think that by not wanting to accept responsibility he was also saying that he thought it was a mistake to invade for nation building. And considering what most people think of mistakes he/they neocons wouldn’t want this shit again. But thats not the way these people work. They intend to get to pointB.
The only thing they learned was that no one was going to believe their good guy propaganda so they decided to mass replicate their mistakes/disaster but from the shadows and skies to get what they want instead.
“Iraq: Suffering in silence: Iraqi refugees in Syria”
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/MDE14/010/2008/en/
We can’t forget Iraq. And now because Iraqis went to Syria and we stepped into Syria and helped finance and train for regime change by way of Daesh aka “the curse of Iraq”, we should allow Syrians and/ or Iraqis to stay here also. Cant we at least pretend to be decent?
Now that people have decided they’d like to keep Syrians out, they still need to figure out a decent place for Syrians to go. There has been talk of an Iraq strategy, “no-fly zones” that presumably turn into military occupation and enforcement. Question: is it possible to create another alternative inside Syria?
What I’m thinking is that if you look at Syria on Google Maps, there’s a little region of the northmost coast that is largely undeveloped, and partially enclosed by a southward dip in the Turkish border to the east of it. Lines of rugged topography create potentially secure borders. Wikipedia currently classifies the area as government held. It seems relatively well-watered, and there is even a narrow island off the coast that seems prone to be used as part of some future artificial harbor.
The nearby city of Latakia has a population of over 350,000 in a few square miles. Build a city the size of Latakia on the most undeveloped northern land, and you could house enough people to put a dent in the refugee crisis. Take a region several times larger, or bring the density to that of a large metropolis, and you could practically solve the crisis in the short term. There are a few existing low-density settlements like Nab-aain/Nab’ein (Liveleak has video of a truckload of dead government soldiers there) that would have to be integrated somehow.
I’m thinking though that if you can get Assad to guarantee a region to be left alone, get multinational powers to guarantee security assurances, border patrols, a constitution with solid human rights, subsidized construction materials, a guaranteed minimum income, wages for construction workers and others growing the settlement, and limited exemptions from the embargoes currently in place on Syria… then all you have to deal with is ISIS. Which is still not easy, but you’re trying to stack the deck with people who don’t like terrorism … in any case, these are the same refugees who are supposed to be so peaceful that Americans shouldn’t worry about them creating any violence at all.
So my question is this: can the international powers strike a deal with the Assad government where they are allowed to set up a sort of Hong Kong or Singapore on this patch of land, providing a safe haven for Syrians looking to flee the violence?
I’m just an amateur daydreamer for a project like this, but WHY aren’t we hearing from professionals? We’ve got to offer Syrians something better than a tent city to stay at if we don’t want them beating at our border fences. Done right, a Hong Kong/Macao type enclave can be the genesis of a whole new freer society, an economic powerhouse and a ray of hope for a whole country.
It strikes me that Israel would be a safe place to go. They have a lot of experience in dealing with large numbers of refugees. In addition, they receive a lot of aid and support from the US. Israel seems like the best place.
http://buchanan.org/blog/the-end-of-obamaworld-124296
Excerpt:
What happened in Paris, said President Obama, “was an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share.”
And just what might those “universal values” be?
At a soccer game between Turkey and Greece in Istanbul, Turks booed during the moment of silence for the Paris dead and chanted “Allahu Akbar.” Among 1.6 billion Muslims, hundreds of millions do not share our values regarding women’s rights, abortion, homosexuality, free speech, or the equality of all religious faiths.
Set aside the fanatics of ISIS. Does Saudi Arabia share Obama’s views and values regarding sexual freedom and the equality of Christianity, Judaism and Islam? Is anything like the First Amendment operative across the Sunni or Shiite world, or in China?
In their belief in the innate superiority of their Islamic faith and the culture and civilization it created, Muslims have more in common with our confident Christian ancestors who conquered them than with gauzy global egalitarians like Barack Obama.
“Liberté, egalité, fraternité” the values of secular France, are no more shared by the Islamic world than is France’s affection for Charlie Hebdo.
As much as I am tempted to agree with this, there’s a key omission in the news reports I saw: they don’t describe how many people. I didn’t see actual video (though I didn’t really look hard, I’d think if it were damning it would be everywhere). The Independent seemed to downplay the significance ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-fans-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-victims-but-it-was-not-a-mark-of-disrespect-claim-a6738741.html ).
I think it’s important to distinguish between the universal harsh condemnation that Islam and its founder deserve as a religion from what is hopefully the reality that as individual people Muslims know lunatics when they see them. If I have doubts about that, it’s only because I know Americans, and they don’t seem to anymore…
You might have learned by now, but the booing during the “Minute of Silence” was directed at the hypocrisy, not at the victims in Paris. Two days earlier an attack in Beirut killed over forty people, a month earlier an attack at a peace rally in Ankara killed over one hundred civilians. Not a single “Minute of Silence” was held at the International football games played in the days that followed. Thousands upon thousands of civilians have been killed and injured in attacks across Asia, Africa, Asia minor and Latin America without so much as a second of silence. Yet when it happens in France…
Also, I urge people to watch Mehdi Hassan’s interview of former head of the Defense Intelliegence Agency Michael Flynn, especially the part where Mehdi shows him a government document showing that the agency knew that arms from countries like the US and Turkey were finding their way to extremist groups like al Qaeda in Syria and Iraq and that it would lead to ISIS (and Flynn basically admitting that everyone knew and did nothing about it and that he “doesn’t know why” no one did nothing about it). Hint: their priority was ousting Assad, and strengthening extremist groups meant more opposition and hardship for Assad.
http://youtu.be/SG3j8OYKgn4
Also, here’s former army general Wesley Clark on Democracy Now in 2007 talking about a 2001 Pentagon memo he was given detailing “taking out seven countries in five years”. He also talked about it in his memoir.
Here’s a clip from the interview: http://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw
Here’s a Salon article that was written about it: http://www.salon.com/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/
Thanks for the links, Alana. With guys like Flynn in the upper echelons of our decision making process in this country, is it any wonder our policies are so ham-handed and ineffective?
“Assad regime”? Intercept too, then, with this bullshit? Do you really think Assad is anymore a criminal than American leaders? Does Natasha realize that this “regime” was shown to be supported by the majority of Syrian people (including the majority of Sunnis, Christians, Druze) in polls conducted in the summer of 2014? I’m sure as a journalist, Natasha is aware of Wikileaks documents that showed the US government was planning to overthrow the secular Assad at least as early as 2006, laying out a plan to inflame sectarian tensions both in Syria and in the region and to do whatever possible to make Assad think he was losing control, including arming extremist Islamist opposition forces like al Qeada and al Nusra (Syria’s al Qaeda)? The cables also show how countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia were pushing for war in Syria for reasons having to do with both sectarian hatred and oil.
Here’s the actual cable: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html
Here’s a Truthout article about it: http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/33180-wikileaks-reveals-how-the-us-aggressively-pursued-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbath
Do you realize that the ousting of people like Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, and Assad have nothing to do with “freedom” and “democracy” but with ensuring the US’s economic interests in the Middle East, especially in relation to oil, are not challenged? Do you realize that time after time after time, the US refuses to respect the sovereignty and self-determination of these countries and doesn’t mind having the blood of millions of civilians on its hands if it means their money and geopolitical interests are protected?
Have we still not learned after Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya (just to name a few from this century alone) that the US and its allies will lie through their teeth to convince the public into obliterating another country and destroying millions of lives? Why are people like the author of this article still using orientalist rhetoric like “regime” and repeating unproven Washington lines about Assad (who I’m not saying hasn’t done bad things, but no worse than – or even as bad as – our good friends Saudi Arabia and Israel).
While not perfect, here’s a recent PBS report on what Syria was like under Assad before the war started: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/inside-assads-syria/
I see a lot of issues with syrian refugee’s. The majority, from what I understand, that nearly 70-80% of these refugees are males. Plenty of videos of riots, articles of assault/rape on the rise in and around their camps, let’s just leave it as their is an alarming presence of unscrupulous activities happening.
I’ve been talking to friends of mine in sweeden and finland, who have linked me numerous articles where these same males refuse to clean their living quarters, refuse food given to them on the basis that it is “women’s food” or a “women’s job”. To the point where they actually are throwing their trash outside the windows. I understand I shouldn’t process this like if it were my neighbor doing the same thing, clearly their are cultural differences.
The next issue is the vetting process. Their is no way to tell who is actually who. Their just simply isn’t enough data to cross reference who is who. Fake documents are easy to procure. One of the attackers in paris had refugee documentation. If we were to believe syria’s own ambassador that more then 20% of these refugees are radicalized we are looking at hundreds of thousands of applicants whom in comparison a handful of homeland security officials are combing through. That being said I have faith in our federal law enforcement but it’s not inconceivable that radicalized refugees will make it through simply due to the sheer volume of applications. Even in the most refined processes their is always an error margin.
While their are plenty of safeguards being put in place to vet radicalized individuals, the greater threat is them radicalizing while they are here. The war in Syria is a protracted conflict. Even with multi-national forces and militias, it will be years if not decades before these people have a hope of resettling Syria. Many of the adults lack basic education, speak little if any english. Much of the employable labor they could do is culturally beneath them. How do you integrate a population who believe and treat women little better then they would a goat or other property? Islamic middle eastern culture isn’t a shining jewel of acceptance or tolerance. A feminist or gay parade would make some their heads explode like gallagher whacking a watermelon. Poverty, culture shock, lack of direction/purpose is going to breed radicals.
On another note, it is appalling to me that we will be taking in thousands of people who will need food, shelter, medical care and we can’t even give that to the homeless and vets in our country. Their isn’t enough money to fix problems with our own citizens, but all of a sudden we will be able to take care of thousands of refugees? What a slap to the face to the homeless and vets.
I really hope that the thousands of refugees, who are the most vulnerable, will be women and children. Not military age males.
Try providing links and references for your lie-filled, garbage comments next time. Because I know people in Europe who’ve taken in refugee families and would testify that you’re a racist, lying piece of shit.
Are you not fluent with the english language or are you just a internet rageaholic shitlord who has a very narrow and anecdotal grasp of the refugee crisis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tplMnS6cb6g&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSGZswoeL8&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tplMnS6cb6g&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl16QDk2sig
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=228_1343148310
http://bcove.me/ho1ygmen
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…ges-Koran.html
https://www.rt.com/news/314983-europ…is-discontent/
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/65…s-rape-germany
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/…c3ifeVMm1vb.97
http://sputniknews.com/europe/201511…gees-isil.html
http://abcnews.go.com/International/…ry?id=19521964
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzv…in-region_news
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/unhcr-data-confirms-it-75-of-the-so-called-refugees-arriving-in-europe-are-men/
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20150924_01884362
If you want I can dig through my email and pull up a lot more links which contain a lot reports, journalistic footage, etc. It’s all swedish, finnish, and german. Not much use if you don’t understand the languages. You might be able to use google translate for the articles. Let me know if you want them.
On the other hand, their is plenty to sift through and anyone with 5 minutes and the ability to google can pull up more. It sounds like these people you know really lucked out and that’s great for them.
Footage of a child making beheading gestures, riots, waves of trash everywhere, reports of violent crime, sexual assault, most notably towards women on the rise. Not saying your a liar, or ” the people you know” are but this is a pretty stark contrast. If you reply, don’t be a savage screaming racist, liar, piece of shit. Have some class.
WOW not enough money ??? Do you have any idea how much money the U.S. spends on the weapons and operations used to create the conditions that causes these people to flee in the first place. Also perhaps if the U.S. didn’t spend $3 billion a year providing Israel with military aid there would be enough to help the refugees that the whole big mess in the ME has been directly or indirectly causing since 1948
Is that a legitimate question? Last I checked it was Assad who has been blowing up his own cities, his own infrastructure with impunity. Shelling civilian’s, dropping barrel bombs on them, hell even sarin gas. I guess all the video footage of dead men, women, and children being pulled from the rubble is our fault to? When his forces gunned down peaceful protesters which sparked the mass uprisings that started the civil war, that was our fault to.Your logic is let’s not help the sovereignty of Israel and help create 7 million more refugees?
In the end, nothing changes the fact that we still have homeless people and vets who need to be taken care of. The fact that we are now gonna spend what money we could have to take care of refugee’s instead of them is just beyond disgusting to me.
Assuming that “70-80% of refugees are male” is to assume that 70-80% of Syrians are male. Does that seem reasonable to you? The truth is that roughly 65% of Syrian ASYLUM SEEKERS to Sweden are male, suggesting that a great majority of the population in refugee camps are women and children.
The main problem with Syrian refugees in Sweden has nothing to do with terrorism or religion, but lack of resources. Sweden is too small to almost single-handedly take on the huge numbers, 1500-2000/day. Social service issues, the normal day-to-day work, have been put on hold in almost all of Sweden, due to lack of personnel (social workers and migration workers, as well as law enforcement) and housing. The situation is getting quite dire. Meanwhile, borders in the rest of Europe are pretty much closed and the piss ants in the US government can’t handle 10,000 refugees?
I assume their is 70-80% male refugee population, because of what I have read. Syria isn’t China, no reason to assume that Syria’s male/female population is any different then anywhere else in the world.
I like how you left out one the hugest issue’s with refugees in Sweden, is the rape epidemic. Not that Sweden didn’t already have a high rape rate, it has more then doubled. 75%+ of all rapes being committed in Sweden are done by refugees. A few years back, every rape that was committed in Sweden was done refugees for a 3 year streak.
Sweden’s refugee problem was created by the blues and 3rd party muslim politicians who need a greater overall political representation to oust conservatives. These same politicians are right now actively taking in way more people then it can support. All because it’s the “right thing to do”! Your government is really looking out for you though.
Personally, I have no issues with taking in 10,000 women and children. I do have an issue with military age males.
If you roll back the timeline a few extra decades, then it becomes clear that nothing has changed in the mental condition of large parts of the US population. Planned or not, the paranoid mindset of the McCarthy era is back. The outbreak resembles what happens when a dormant virus that never leaves the body becomes active again under stress – stress caused by… well, just fill in the blanks. Chomsky once described how the process works.
It doesn’t matter who let the refugees in they will always be labeled terrorists until the”Powers that be are held accountable for their actions, legally.”
Germany is NOT one-quarter the size of the US, but one 27th!
It has one quarter of inhabitants compared to the US.
I think Canadians are going to first let them in, then provide them with citizenship and passports and send them here. So we will still see them, but after the little kids have grown older and more adept at handling AK’s.
There was no need really to poke our nose in affairs that did not concern us, albeit our friends did hire us as mercenaries.
It would be funny if it were not true.
That’s what you think is it well I highly doubt it will play out like that but if it does then it will be another case of blowback for all of the lives and countries and popular governments that U.S. policies and actions have been destroying since the end of WWII and before in order to build and protect the American way of life.
It’s interesting that an attack in Paris elicited this eek-a-mouse reaction from GOP pundits and politicians. I realize this reaction may be schtick, but it seems to light up certain parts of the American electorate and media. If this is a war of terror then the bad guys really did succeed last week.
Indeed, in every major attack, from September 2001 on, the terrorists have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. How many billions of dollars have we spent in this so-called war? To what degree have we curtailed our own freedom?
Many writers have put the attacks on US soil into perspective by comparing the numbers of US lives lost to terror and the war thereon with traffic deaths, homicides and so on, to little avail. Just out of curiosity, I did a little calculation about the recent Paris attack. The annual murder rate in France is 1.31 per 10,000 population; in the US it is 5. So, how many terrorist attacks, in which 129 people are killed, would it take to increase the French murder rate to that in the US, a rate that most citizens here find acceptable? One per year? One per month? One per week? The answer is that if there was such an attack every other day the French murder rate would still be slightly less than that in the US. That, I think, puts the terrorist attacks into proper perspective: They cannot possibly kill us off faster than we are killing ourselves.
Also, I urge people to watch Mehdi Hassan’s interview of former head of the Defense Intelliegence Agency Michael Flynn, especially the part where Mehdi shows him a government document showing that the agency knew that arms from countries like the US and Turkey were finding their way to extremist groups like al Qaeda in Syria and Iraq and that it would lead to ISIS (and Flynn basically admitting that everyone knew and did nothing about it and that he “doesn’t know why” no one did nothing about it). Hint: their priority was ousting Assad, and strengthening extremist groups meant more opposition and hardship for Assad.
http://youtu.be/SG3j8OYKgn4
Also, here’s former army general Wesley Clark on Democracy Now in 2007 talking about a 2001 Pentagon memo he was given detailing “taking out seven countries in five years”. He also talked about it in his memoir.
Here’s a clip from the interview: http://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw
Here’s a Salon article that was written about it: http://www.salon.com/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/
“Assad regime”? Intercept too, then, with this bullshit? Do you really think Assad is anymore a criminal than American leaders? Does Natasha realize that this “regime” was shown to be supported by the majority of Syrian people (including the majority of Sunnis, Christians, Druze) in polls conducted in the summer of 2014? I’m sure as a journalist, Natasha is aware of Wikileaks documents that showed the US government was planning to overthrow the secular Assad at least as early as 2006, laying out a plan to inflame sectarian tensions both in Syria and in the region and to do whatever possible to make Assad think he was losing control, including arming extremist Islamist opposition forces like al Qeada and al Nusra (Syria’s al Qaeda)? The cables also show how countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia were pushing for war in Syria for reasons having to do with both sectarian hatred and oil.
Here’s the actual cable: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html
Here’s a Truthout article about it: http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/33180-wikileaks-reveals-how-the-us-aggressively-pursued-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbath
Do you realize that the ousting of people like Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, and Assad have nothing to do with “freedom” and “democracy” but with ensuring the US’s economic interests in the Middle East, especially in relation to oil, are not challenged? Do you realize that time after time after time, the US refuses to respect the sovereignty and self-determination of these countries and doesn’t mind having the blood of millions of civilians on its hands if it means their money and geopolitical interests are protected?
Have we still not learned after Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya (just to name a few from this century alone) that the US and its allies will lie through their teeth to convince the public into obliterating another country and destroying millions of lives? Why are people like the author of this article still using orientalist rhetoric like “regime” and repeating unproven Washington lines about Assad (who I’m not saying hasn’t done bad things, but no worse than – or even as bad as – our good friends Saudi Arabia and Israel).
While not perfect, here’s a recent PBS report on what Syria was like under Assad before the war started: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/inside-assads-syria/
When was Assad ever freely elected? His Christian support mainly derived from the fact that the government wouldn’t actively execute Christian worshipers. We get very little oil from the middle east, it’s largely a huge money sink. Please enlighten us to those economic interests. The conflict in Syria isn’t much different from the overall gripe in the middle east, which is a minority tribe being in complete political control over the majority. It’s a centuries old tribal conflict that isn’t likely to end anytime soon, with or without any form of american support or intervention. The US didn’t challenge the Syrian regime, the people of Syria did after assad attacked and murdered protesters. I don’t get how any of the above is a lie told by washington.
Again, you should really provide links and references for your garbage drivel. I provided primary documents proving my claims. Christians and other minorities were free to express and practice their religions. No country is a fucking utopia, but Syria was a secular country in which all religious groups had legal protection. And again, Assad had enormous support from the Syrian people as late as the summer of 2014 – and you can see that support expressed in the PBS video I posted.
I hope Washington is paying you well.
What do you want me to link wikipedia? Syrian history? Seems like your the one trying spin propagandist drivel on here. Half the post’s on this page are yours, and they are extremely subjective. Assad had enormous support you say? Gee, I wonder why a huge chunk of his military staged a coup after Assad ordered his army to gun down protesters who were protesting the death of teenagers and young adults who were marching for freedom and equality. That’s why Assad has been backed into a corner losing control of over 70% of the country, because he has such overwhelming support. I’m sure they love him even more after the sarin chemical weapon attacks.
Here is a link to wikipedia,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
Shit hits the fan March 19th, Daraa. It was obviously America who is at fault here though. /sarcasm
Yeah , sure, regime.
Do you want regime change you neocon?
The American regime is the cause of all this shit but keep up the propaganda Intercept.
The elected government of Syria is headed by Assad but dont let facts get in the way of your tripe Natasha.
When did the Assad family get elected? Freely, that is?
Legitimacy of a government is in the eyes of the beholder. In the Middle East, for instance, only one of our allies has an elected government, and that government, like ours, engages in aggressive warfare, motivated by the concepts of divine right and collective guilt. I agree, Assad was not elected but that is really immaterial. The US wants him out because Israel wants him out. And we must always follow the directives of our masters.
The US creates refugee crises, as our imperial prerogative. It is not, however, the business of the US to address the refugee crisis. That is for little countries.
Given that we will have either a Republican President or Hillary Clinton (indistinguishable from George W. Bush) we can only be certain that the next 5 – 9 years will see only more unnecessary and wrongful war and devastation. The richest among us will laugh all the way to the bank while it happens. And there will be more and more refugees. Finally, given that it is impossible to even imagine rebuilding America’s domestic prosperity with all the wars that Republicans and/or Hillary have planned for us, we can look forward to another lost decade here at home in all likelihood.
Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for those monsters.
hey,
I really appreciated your article as well as those of some of your fellow Theintercepters, thank you for good reads. I’d like to suggest a translation of the content in French seeing how the events of Paris and Beirut are connected to this issue. I think that by doing so you’d cater to a broader audience that seek factual and level analysis amid the chaos that is the internet. This goes for all The intercept articles.
Thanks again