ON SUNDAY, DONALD TRUMP, the Republican presidential candidate who has led the primary polls for months, retweeted a graphic of bogus crime statistics regarding American homicide. The source for the numbers is the Crime Statistics Bureau of San Francisco — an entity that doesn’t exist. The tweet, which features an image of a menacing young black man wielding a gun, claims to break down murders in 2015 based on the race of offenders and victims. While the FBI publishes an annual homicide report that includes this type of data, it hasn’t yet been released — 2015 isn’t over. This logic, unsurprisingly, is lost on the Republican frontrunner.
More disturbingly, however, are the numbers. The graphic in Trump’s tweet says that 97 percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. According to the most recent FBI data, from the bureau’s 2014 report, 90 percent of black victims were murdered by other black people. The graphic also falsely implies that 81 percent of white murder victims are killed by black people. The 2014 report, in contrast, says that only 15 percent of white murder victims were killed by black people, while 82 percent were killed by white people. The reality is that the vast majority of black victims are killed by black people, just as the vast majority of white victims are killed by white people.
Donald Trump’s retweet of bogus crime statistics, later traced to a neo-Nazi Twitter user.
Photo: Twitter
Trump’s dissemination of white supremacist propaganda on crime reflects a longstanding tradition of politicians and law enforcement painting young black people as violent threats wreaking havoc across the country.
Twenty-five years ago, during the height of gruesome drug war rhetoric, the term “superpredator” was introduced to frighten Americans and provide rationale for harsher sentencing and, ultimately, the construction of the carceral state. In 1996, Hillary Clinton, now the leading Democratic candidate, called children in street organizations superpredators, adding that such youth gangsters have “no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”
This sensationalist, sinister portrayal continues to permeate law enforcement. Darren Wilson, the white police officer who killed Michael Brown, described Brown as demon-like. “When I grabbed him,” Wilson said, “the only way I can describe it is I felt like a 5-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan.” A law enforcement official in Cleveland thought Tamir Rice — the 12-year-old black boy killed by a white police officer one year ago this week — was a 20-year-old man. “It’s not uncommon,” Vox’s German Lopez wrote, “for police to overestimate the age and size of black boys. Various studies have found that the general public and police tend to see them as less innocent and older.”
That Trump has advanced a dehumanizing view of black Americans on the basis of plainly fraudulent evidence (sourced to a neo-Nazi Twitter user) is startling, but predictable given his torrent of hate this year. He has, after all, called for surveillance of mosques, voiced support for tracking Muslims in a national database, promised to construct a “humane” deportation force to round up undocumented immigrants (a newer version of Operation Wetback), and slandered Mexicans and other Latin Americans as criminals and rapists. Trump also appears to have lied about “personally” seeing Muslims in New Jersey cheering the attacks of September 11.
All of this comes on top of a history of racist behavior, which has gone largely ignored. In 1989, after a white woman jogger was sexually assaulted in Manhattan’s Central Park, Trump ran newspaper ads calling for the execution of five black and brown teenagers who were eventually exonerated of the crime. In 2000, according to the New York Times, Trump, in an effort to shut down a rival casino run by a Native American tribe, sponsored prejudiced ads in upstate New York newspapers:
Under a dark photograph showing hypodermic needles and drug paraphernalia, the newspaper advertisement warned in dire terms that violent criminals were coming to town. “Are these the new neighbors we want?” the paid message asked. “The St. Regis Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented.”
Just this past weekend, during a Trump rally in Alabama, the candidate’s supporters attacked a Black Lives Matter protester. The man, Mercutio Southall Jr., told an Alabama newspaper that the assailants said, “‘Go home, nigger,’ and somebody punched me.” Southall described being beaten and kicked by multiple white attendees of the rally. Video of the incident shows a group of white people on top of Southall, apparently hitting him. In the background, the vicious voice of Trump eggs them on: “Get him the hell out of here!” Later, appearing on Fox News, Trump defended the blackshirts attack on Southall, saying, “Maybe he should have been roughed up.”
Trump’s neo-fascist campaign has been facilitated, presumably for ratings, by many quarters of the American media. He appears so frequently on ABC’s This Week that the network should consider renaming the show This Week with Donald Trump. And the cable networks love him. When he’s on as a guest the questioning hardly ever dives deep into his scurrilous policy proposals; instead, the exchanges are superficial farces.
Indeed, for a long time Trump’s campaign has been treated as something humorous — political observers doubted his staying power. But despite predictions of his inevitable fall, Trump is still standing above the rest of the field. Meanwhile, there is nothing remotely funny about a leading presidential candidate spreading racist crime propaganda or advocating for rounding up innocent families for deportation.
The New Republic’s Jeet Heer tweeted that mainstream media won’t confront the present voice of white rage because they “can’t deal with Trump’s many lies for same reason they can’t deal with climate denial. Codified nonpartisanship.”
Yet, if more members of the national press don’t drop their ridiculous and dangerous attachment to so-called objectivity and — in the spirit of Ida B. Wells and Edward R. Murrow — start calling out the horror show that is Donald Trump, America will sink giggling into the sea.
Can’t decide if he is the “Antichrist” or the 2nd coming of “Adolf Hilter”…..Truly Scary!
Gee, the gesture looks a lot like one made famous by a buncha brown shirts and someone who vanished around the end of WWII… one the then-pope and the vanished guy walked under, held stiff and proudly by a host of soldiers, as well as vast legions, in case you haven’t seen the pictures…
Good Article, well thought out. Is Donald Trump a Fascist?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/donald-trump-a-fascist.html
Conclusion:
It’s important to be clear that some aspects of Trump’s embodied ideology — its consumerist individualism, limited embrace of pluralism, and (very occasional) humanitarianism — are antithetical to fascism. But other aspects of Trumpism hark back to the most hideous elements of that justly vilified political form. The Republican front-runner has built his campaign on alarmist lies about vulnerable minority populations and the promise that national decline can be reversed through the extra-legal expulsion and monitoring of such internal enemies.
Perhaps the most accurate term for Trump’s politics is simply dangerous. But to the extent that fascist alerts us to the unique dangers of his brand of demagoguery, it may be worth excusing its imprecision.
The sad part about this is that those stats could speak to the reality of any large metropolitan city. If you look through the police reports by the Atlanta Police Department, those numbers may not be too far off……lots of “B”‘s on there and very few “W” victims.
http://www.atlantapd.org/uniformcrimereports.aspx
Racism is dealt within America as a PR issue and not something to be rooted out from it’s institutions. It is ingrained in the school system, private prisons, drug laws, businesses, and higher education. Like South Africa and Israel America is a white supremacist country. Trump is a reflection of the level of racism that still permeates America. The fact that he is all over the media and has large approval shows you exactly what this country is.
There is a strong connection between:
Racism, economic exploitation, and militarism.
He leaves me truly amazed and the inappropriateness and ignorance that comes out of his mouth. His lack of respect, lack of honesty, lack of humility and complete lack of understanding of the world we are living in. Good God… today i hear someone on the news describe him as a pathological liar. I thought that’s a little rough and then i though a second more and said… yep that is him to a tee! If he is the republican nominee it will be the joke of all time. The GOP will have finally sunk to an all time low and the world we know, we have lost it!
He is also your next president!
Trump 2016
America has NEVER been the proudest nation on Earth. It has been the most deluded and in denial from Day 1. Now them chickens are coming home to roost and you won’t get much sympathy from us foreigners. It is time to feel the pain, Child-Nation.
Christianity tends to get some excessively interpreted stories that people think are a part of the religion, but aren’t really. Like the notion that the Rapture would be some kind of video game, ooh look at me I’m flying, or maybe get beamed up straight to Heaven. Just say you believe really hard, no more responsibilities, if the kids were wicked today they can worry about their own macaroni from now on. Never mind that rapture comes from the same Latin verb as “rape”. Never mind that the New Testament reserves the heavy-duty prophecy for actual Jews, and mentions 144,000 from tribes of Israel, and talks about the refounding of Israel… if you’re good maybe you get assigned to one tribe or other.
But … what if were not quite like that? What if there was a time when all who call on the name of the Lord with their little dreidels and such were put to death, and a time when all of them were saved? Now something upward of 200,000 people were rescued from the concentration camps at the end of the Third Reich, and a lot of them were Jews … for all I know there might have been 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel.
We look around and it certainly seems like a mad ancient prophecy of world-spanning crossbows and giant locusts flying around hurting people has started to look like everyday life. What that really means, who can say? I would like to believe that every single person who died in Hitler’s camps will see the kingdom of Heaven, and I would like to believe by no means are they the last.
Trump is a divisive character and the article and comments generally reflect this. He is the opposite of want we need. We need a unity leader to win economic benefit for and more mobility to the middle class. This would correct many and create a path to solve many other inequities and failures of society and governance. The concept of separate to sustain inequities has in the past, segregation, and continues to divide and to works for the elites. If Occupy Wall Street, Black movements and the Tea Party every worked for their common economic interests the ruling class would be crying “Hicks and Hippies and Blacks, Oh my.”
It is nice to finally see an American politician being sincere.
Having billions and a stack of power (and a toupee) seems to be a curse – people need to boycott these idiots’ income sources.
For all his racist and poisonous bigotry he may well be able to lie and cheat with the best of them, but he won’t cheat Death – that icy hand will shut his fetid trap up one day.
There will be Chaos if Trump gets in – he must be hated by so many and not trusted in the slightest by the rest. Could actually be the saving of America, in a short of cruel-to-be-kind kind of way.
What a rotten stink hole America is. A society in utter neurotic breakdown.
“Our American political logical agenda is to stand up on soap boxes and preach preach preach…”
Funny thing. And here it feels like I’ve just read some of the same mumbo jumbo about a god and how that god is somehow the answer to all this craziness we’ve all got ourselves in. I think we have enough gods as it is, thank you. It’s all these ideas of bloody gods that got us in this mess in the first place. To believe in imaginary stuff is in itself a form of mental illness.
” There was a certain legitimacy to the Charlie Hebdo event “…….so let’s see now Trump has a few stats wrong and Kerry figures on occasion there is ‘rationale’. to killing Jews. I think I have a view as to which one I’d like to have leading…..
None of the victims shot dead in the attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices was Jewish, so even you weren’t deliberately taking out of context Kerry’s words, he said nothing about killing Jews.
Mr Donald Trump is the right man for the job. He will solve the problem of sodium pentawhateverol by flying in that guy from Chop-chop square on Sundays after he has completed his Friday ceremonies there. We need this fellow to make our country great once more; if you disagree then watch a pendulum.
Oh, yes, I would love to hear about your cure for mental illness. Having evaluated mental disorders for 27 years for Social Security Disability, I saw many cases involving delusions of grandeur. Please share with us.
If you are saying America is fucked up now and since it began, and its only going to be more fucked up in the future, I couldn’t agree more.
As for the most part of what you say, it is better to sew in fertile ground and not by the wayside
Matthew 13: 3-9
Referring to the link in this article: London Review of Books : « Sinking Giggling into the Sea » by Jonathan Coe, there’s “something weird going on in the retinal vicinity”? (Thanks Guardian books re Coe!). This strange establishment piece makes assertions about the inefficacy of anti-establishment satire and comedy without providing evidence; displaces guilt that belongs to crooked politicians on to the public; creates a preconceived view of “audiences” who laugh at anti-establishment comedy while holding them responsible for failing to rise up from their position of disempowerment at the same time as castigating them for doing so, and diverts attention away from the responsibility of eminent figures and journalists to hold fraudulent, immoral politicians to account.
Evidence is available to prove that many politicians and government leaders are indeed morally inferior to the citizens who elected them in a belief, albeit deluded (and with the help of spin doctors and biased journalism) that they would be competent, morally superior leaders worthy of such high office and responsibility. (To use a Carson analogy minus his racism: what intelligent person wants a ratbag like him or his friend Trump in their neighbourhood, let alone in the vicinity of the White House?)
Political leaders create their own stereotype by their conduct and verifiable fraudulent, immoral acts. And the author is merely shifting the guilt and conscience of immoral and irresponsible politicians, as well as ill-intentioned, base reporting in self-serving largely corporate journalism, away from them and on to the public in the theory: “The idea that politicians are morally inferior to the rest of us is ‘a convenient view, for it means we, the audience, the voters, are not to blame for anything: we are not to blame because we are the victims of a politics gone wrong.’” (That in itself sounds like the ‘establishment’ doctrine of a Cambridge scholar. I’m prejudiced? No, just a plebeian myopial blur.)
Having already accused the public of political stereotyping, how does the author come to the conclusion that “corrupt, deluded, incompetent, second-rate and hypocritical politicians ”are “’seemingly’ acceptable to all” because they are not also “racist nor sexist”? When racism, sexism, sexual orientation, ageism and minority-bashing are added to the stereotype, we move into the dangerous territory of fascism – that of the Trumps and Carsons, where the mutation of religion is used to suit their bigoted ideology, just as Daesh terrorists do.
This is as intolerable as the blantant propaganda and lies of complicit media who have sold their souls to the devil, and as incomprehensible as the cowardice and silence of respected people in all spheres of the upper-hierarchal social realms, who should be the first to condemn such bigotry.
To mock and laugh at the establishment may be “a tired Pavlovian reaction to situations that are too difficult or too depressing to think about clearly”, “a substitute for thought rather than its conduit”, and “not a significant force for change”, nor the most effective way to protest. But without evidence, they are all conjectures. So let me speculate that anti-establishment comedy is still capable of “illuminating the dark corners of the political world” as well as providing a safety valve for fear and the irrational thoughts, speech and acts that can result from fear.
Not many politicians are capable of using self-mockery to their advantage, London’s current Mayor being the exception not the rule. Highlighting fraudulent politics, base journalism and bigoted ideology through satire and laughter (even if it satisfies their narcissistic thirst for childlike attention) sows seeds of reflection and questioning in some otherwise lazy captive-audience minds, and even promotes solidarity amongst peace-loving citizens of all nationalities, colours and creeds, as the recent Belgian cats have done in defiance of terrorists and terrorism.
It’d clearly be less racist than if Trump’s elected – here at home, but we really can’t pretend America won’t still sink further into endless global war – if Hillary or Bernie were elected. Bern’s recent speech at Georgetown University a little over a wek ago was rattling sabers and beating Middle East war-drums like nobody’s business. And it’s no secret he’s never met a military appropriation he didn’t like, even if he hasn’t voted to attack a country no threat to OURS.
ALL the candidates representing the two major political parties are in fact a single invisible-isle status quo war party where military appropriations and American expansionist foreign policy are concerned, so even a Trump won’t fearmonger me into wasting my vote on – slightly lesser evils.
I’m voting “Green” in 2016!
Now Trump is making fun of a handicapped reporter: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-slammed-for-outrageous-armflailing-impression-of-disabled-reporter-34236097.html
I think this guy has single-handedly uttered enough politically incorrect things to get literally every single college professor in America shitcanned, and he still can’t shake his front-runner status.
I think this is a runaway scenario gone amok. My guess is Bush hired Trump for “voter parking” — a service sort of like domain name parking, for the Crown Prince who has everything but tolerance for media digging into his life before his coronation. I bet there’s a contract and everything. Trouble is, now Trump can’t get rid of his voters! I think pretty shortly he’s going to shock the nation by simply withdrawing from the race without any plausible explanation — if that happens, remember you read it here first.
“Just this past weekend, during a Trump rally in Alabama, the candidate’s supporters attacked a Black Lives Matter protester. The man, Mercutio Southall Jr., told an Alabama newspaper that the assailants said, ‘Go home, nigger,’ and somebody punched me. Southall described being beaten and kicked by multiple white attendees of the rally. Video of the incident shows a group of white people on top of Southall, apparently hitting him. In the background, the vicious voice of Trump eggs them on: ‘Get him the hell out of here!’ Later, appearing on Fox News, Trump defended the blackshirts attack on Southall, saying, ‘Maybe he should have been roughed up.’”
Black Lives Matter is just the latest in a series of post-modern deconstructionist social movements that masquerade their rabid racial hatred of “hetero-patriarchal [white] society” behind a flag of inclusiveness. They are ceaselessly and shamelessly endeavoring to reinvent the black liberation movement in a way that disproportionately advances the interests of a tiny minority of black people – the black LGBT community. To this end, they intentionally put themselves on the front lines of many mainstream protests with the deliberate aim of provoking the very reactions from “white people” that they routinely condemn. This strategy is seen as the mean whereby this tiny minority can inexorably conflate its gender politics with those of the black community at large.
@Karl –
Yes, sometimes protesters aim to provoke. But are you really condoning beating up protesters? Are you really condoning the type of rhetoric that incites, or might incite violence? Don’t we have enough of that already?
I don’t agree that all this is a mask of hatred of white society. I disagree very much. I think it’s a manifestation of frustration with institutional racism. You may not believe that; I doubt you’ve been a target of it. I have been very blessed in that my brushes with racism have generally been minor and/or more covert. But I’ve lived a very blessed and pretty much sheltered type of life. I can only imagine what others have faced.
I think you somehow feel threatened; why is that? Have you somehow personally been the object of some sort of hateful behavior? Instead of being threatened, try to see that being inclusive regardless of race or sexual orientation is NOT a bad thing. It does not diminish YOU. Why should we not all stand together and try to progress TOGETHER? If we want to rise, we must rise TOGETHER. Trump’s rhetoric is horribly divisive; we need to reject it and do better. We need to stop being divided.
“Are you really condoning the type of rhetoric that incites, or might incite violence?”
No, but apparently you are. The actions of this protester was intended to incite, not include – that is his particular forte. He actually brags about being tazed more than thirty times.
“I think you somehow feel threatened; why is that?”
I have read every account of this incident and watched every video that I could find. Very few accounts report that Mercutio Southall Jr. admits to having exchanged punches with a Donald Trump supporter before falling to the ground. The author of this article reports that “video of the incident shows a group of white people on top of Southall, apparently hitting him.” Where is the link to that video? I cannot find any video that shows him being punched or kicked while lying on the ground. Neither can I find one that shows him being racially slurred. Yet, the vast majority of media coverage reports these claims as if they are fact.
Why are you so quick to accept this activist’s account?
The Black Lives Matter organization claims to be inclusive, but routinely engages in rhetoric and tactics that are unnecessarily aggressive and patently divisive. They employ a radical in-your-face strategy that is only lauded by those on the social Marxist end of the political spectrum. MLK and Gandhi routinely denounced this type of activism. Rather, they employed non-violent confrontation as a mean of converting their opponent. They firmly believed that a just cause alone had the latent potential of appealing to the hearts and minds of their opposition, but only if it was presented in non-threatening and non-offensive manner.
I think you maybe didn’t searched good enough.
https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/668168739100172289/video/1
And while I did a search I saw this title from another link: “Goon Who Stormed and Disrupted Trump Rally Is #BlackLivesMatter Activist Mercutio Southall Jr.”
Now I don’t know about you, but that title to me is beyond fucking racist. That by a bunch of white supremacist that imagine themselves civilized.
Civilized? Do you mean like your initial response to me? The twitter link that you provided leads to a video that does not play in either of my browsers. However, I have seen video that shows him falling to the ground when he was surrounded by security staff who were instructed to remove him by Trump:
http://wkbn.com/2015/11/23/alabama-trump-protester-plans-to-press-charges/
Again, I see no evidence of him being punched or kicked.
Ah, so a few swear words is the end of you? Please don’t come to me with that shit, Karl. I’m not a kid and you ain’t either.
Nothing you’ve written, as usual, is worth more than the minute or three of time that I’m taking to post this comment. But your ignorance, and, more importantly, your decrying of how awful it is that black people are standing up for themselves, and should be following what you think is the actions Gandhi — or what I’m about to note is actually the myth of Ghandhi — brought to mind this fascinating video. I highly recommend that you — and better yet, people here who are interested in learning about the real history and the world — watch it in full.
As a bonus on the video, there is an interview of Glenn from Laura Flanders after she completes her talk with Arundhati Roy.
Debunking the Gandhi Myth: Arundhati Roy — the Laura Flanders show
“Nothing you’ve written, as usual, is worth more than the minute or three of time that I’m taking to post this comment. ”
Yet, you once again feel compelled to approach me with this mixture of invective, straw man arguments, and a profoundly clumsy use of third-party deconstructionist arguments (which rely upon the same derridaic pretensions employed by Alicia Garcia) to peripherally undermine the hetero-patriarchal perpetuated “myth” that Gandhi’s commitment to non-violent social and political change was contradictory and hypocritical and thus not worth considering.
For those of you who are not impressed with Arundhati Roy’s postcolonial, postmodern feminist perspective of Gandhi and his work, I recommend:
Gandhi’s Experiments with Truth: Essential Writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi; By Richard L. Johnson
Sorry, I meant to say:
Yet, you once again feel compelled to approach me with this mixture of invective, straw man arguments, and a profoundly clumsy use of third-party deconstructionist arguments (which rely upon the same Derridaic pretensions employed by Alicia Garcia) to peripherally undermine the alleged “hetero-patriarchal” perpetuated “myth” of Gandhi’s commitment to non-violent social and political change by arguing that it was contradictory and hypocritical and thus not worth considering.
“profoundly clumsy” certainly describes your sentence.
Nuffin said
Ghandi had no problem with discrimination, as long as it wasn’t against the same group of Indians that he was part of.
At the time (I see this as quite ironic actually) that the British decided to colonize India, they saw themselves as much more superior as ‘these’ Indians. So you have this stiff upper lip arseholes walking around with a certain air while the caste system have been going for hundreds and hundreds of years. One group of arseholes thinking they are more superior than others trying to convince another group of arseholes that also think they are more superior than others that the one is more superior than the other. Obviously it couldn’t work. The British met their match.
“Ghandi had no problem with discrimination, as long as it wasn’t against the same group of Indians that he was part of.”
Everyone discriminates! Without the capacity to discriminate, man could not survive. A lot is currently being said about Ghandi’s faith-based believe in varna by those whose intention is to tear down anyone who professes a belief in transcendental truths. Yet, Gandhi’s understanding of varna, and the caste system which emerged from it, indisputably evolved over time. This evolution in Gandhi’s thinking has been repeatedly noted by scholars. Here is a cursory account of that evolution:
http://www.academia.edu/326347/Changes_in_Mahatma_Gandhi_s_views_on_caste_and_intermarriage
Do you know how ignorant you sound?
I can’t believe this: about condoning beating protesters: “No, but apparently you are.” That’s (excuse me) BS. Why can’t you just come out and say that the actions of Trump’s supporters and his support of them are just wrong?
And I don’t know what browser you use, but ValkLerooux’s video link worked fine for me.
And as to why I would accept an activist’s word over Trump? Oh, gee, the fellow sends out a totally inaccurate tweet about crime stats – the main subject of this article, so why would I tend to believe that so and so???
Karl, you being a known TI’er and us having chatted before, I guess I gave you the benefit of some sort of doubt. But you have erased that.
Thanks, ValkLeroux and Kitt for chiming in.
Again, I have not seen any objective evidence that what Mercutio Southall Jr. says is true. You said that the link worked for you… did it show him being punched and kicked by Trump supporters while he was down on the ground? I linked to a video that showed the incident and it did not show any violence toward him. How then, can I speak to any violence perpetrated against him? The very act of doing so would lend credibility to his highly suspect account of that which transpired.
In the process of specifically faulting Mercutio Southall Jr provocative actions however, I have provided the standard by which I evaluate such actions. Given that standard, do you honestly believe that I would support the violent aggression of any human being against another, whether it was provoked or not?
I never asked you to accept Trump’s word over that of Mercutio Southall Jr.. Are you so desperate to win an argument that you have to resort to this type of logical fallacy? Again, I only cited news reports and video.
I am sorry that your ego is so fragile that you cannot admit your own personal bias when it is clearly in evidence. Your prevailing bias toward trump has blinded you to the truth. How sad, such ignorance and bias makes it impossible to distinguish between you and those your claim to detest – Trump and his supporters.
Oh, look at Karl. Sitting on that high horse. Blah blah blah from up there. Sorry, Karl. Can’t hear you. Your mouth is moving but I can’t hear anything through that arrogant and patronizing tone of yours.
Just face it, Karl. You as an individual is an arsehole. Just you.
@ValkLeroux
So much for being “civilized” eh ValkLeroux. How, then, are you any different from those Trump supporters that allegedly attacked a black man for simply expressing an opinion different from their own? Is this the way “adults” in your world behave?
Thing is, Karl. You keep using that word ‘ignorance’ and I strongly suspect that you don’t know what the meaning of that word implies. Like you’ve said, there is nothing wrong with discrimination. In your own words. “Everyone discriminates! Without the capacity to discriminate, man could not survive.”
Now that, my dear Karl, is the equivalent of being ignorant. We can only discriminate if we are indoctrinated to believe that our group is somehow more enlightened or more superior than another group. And by being only part of that group you as an individual can’t grow at all. You actually don’t see yourself as an individual any more and by that you also don’t see other people as individuals. Only as part of a groups of which people seem to then have preconceived ideas about. So do you see now how that can only lead to cluster-fucks? If you discriminate against me purely on your preconceived ideas of what my group or race or religion stands for, you are an ignorant fool, because people are individuals and have individual brains. We are not only generic sound-bites from our group, unless you are completely brain dead or so indoctrinated by those who claim to represent you that you think reasoning don’t apply to you.
So please, Karl. Stop trying to feed me bullshit thinking that you are somehow sitting on a high horse. Come to me as an individual and stop trying to justify unjust actions and overreaction of group mentalities. Start acting like an adult and take advice, even if it sometimes comes with so-called barbaric language.
“We can only discriminate if we are indoctrinated to believe that our group is somehow more enlightened or more superior than another group.”
Discriminate (def): recognize a distinction; differentiate.
Virtually all living things are born with the innate capacity to discriminate. This having been said (once again), I will address the more specific definition of the word that you have chosen to focus on (which is merely a subset of the first definition).
Discriminate (def): make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, sex, or age.
Anyone who has lived in a high crime area can attest to the fact that the ability to discriminate between types of individuals is essential to maintaining ones own well-being. In fact, universities who are situated in high crime areas routinely warn incoming students about the potential danger of being physically assaulted by individuals from the local host community. Major cities post the name of known sex offenders on line so that the general public can be aware of their presence within the community. Many urban communities around the country have crime watch patrols which are comprised of “law abiding citizens” from within their own neighborhoods (of which the guardian angels are among the best known).
Prison communities are very often divided along racial lines. Thus it becomes necessary to differentiate between races for survival sake. I have lived in extremely poor, all black communities where the presence of any white face was routinely met with open derision and oftentimes with violent aggression. And, I have lived in very exclusive white communities where people routinely distance themselves from anyone who appears to be an outsider.
The wealthy have had the traditional luxury of living in suburban areas where they could put a certain amount of finite space between themselves and others.It is easy to present oneself as a champion of racial equality when one can retreat to the cozy confines of a gated community. Very wealthy communities have devised methods whereby the racial and economic complexion can be largely maintained via various zoning measures that severely limit land use and population density. More recently that trend has begun to reverse via gentrification:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/opinion/the-gentrification-effect.html
At the same time that capitalism has provided many Americans with the mean to enhance their economic status it imposes on them a limited amount of choices whereby newly acquired wealth can be generationally preserved. This point is not lost of the black nouveau riche who, upon acquiring wealth, flee from poor, black communities into more affluent suburban areas (which are oftentimes predominantly black) that boast lower crime rates and better education systems.
Employers routinely discriminate against aging job applicants in context to a variety of economic considerations. Real estate agents routinely discriminate when showing properties to prospective clients. Law enforcement agencies routinely discriminate when allocating resources to various districts. Affirmative action programs discriminate when they grant special consideration to racial minorities, native Americans & women. Homeland security routinely discriminates along racial lines in attempt to thwart terrorism.
Are you beginning to get the picture?
Ignorance vs stupidity:
“The intrinsic difference is that ignorance simply implies lack of awareness about something, while stupidity denotes the inability of a person to understand something due to insufficient intelligence, thus leading to the misinterpretation of a fact.”
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-ignorance-and-stupidity/
Karl:
Of course I have a bias against Trump. I believe him to be bigoted and a dangerous person. That’s not ignorance, that’s critical thinking.
And yes, as ValkLeroux said, your patronizing tone and arrogance are totally unappealing.
So, I have nothing more to say to you. You are clearly unreceptive to anything I say, and I certainly am not buying anything from you.
@feline16
Yes, Trump is as you say; he is the type of man who would readily lie in service to his own bias – as would Mercutio Southall. Remember, there is no evidence to support Mr. Southall’s claim. He refused to press charges upon invitation. He also refused the offer of having a medical exam to validate his claim of lasting physical injuries. Yet, his unsubstantiated claims have been uncritically received and repeated countless times by people like yourself without regard to the presumption of innocence or truth. People who engage in this type of bigotry always feel like they are being spoken down to when they are challenged and exposed. Based on past posts, I had believed that you were better than this.
I just had the opportunity to view another video wherein Mercutio Southall claims to have struck a “white man in the groin who was wearing a [blue and white] checkered shirt” in response to being “choked by him.” Although the video shows Mr. Southall attempting to strike out at a white man wearing a checkered shirt, it does not capture any actual contact made between the two men. However, in the same film footage, one can clearly see that Mr. Southall is being physically retrained and forcibly held to the ground from behind by an African American man in a light colored suit. As any physical contact constitutes assault and battery, I am left wondering why Mr. Southall has failed to cite the fact that an African American was clearly and directly involved in the “attack” upon him? Was this element of his assault racially motivated as well? All of the news agencies have had access to this footage, yet none have made comment of the fact that an African American male was involved in this alleged “racially motivated” assault.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/nov/23/black-lives-matter-protester-donald-trump-alabama-video
Easy to spew these type of shit when you are not at the receiving end of injustice. You have a fucking racist prick that could be equalled to Adolf Hitler running for president and you expect blacks to just be quiet and accept their faith? What the fuck is wrong with you? Come and talk shit about minorities that “are ceaselessly and shamelessly endeavouring to reinvent the black liberation movement.” You have no fucking idea what it is to be discriminated against 24/7 by the majority of dip-shits that doesn’t have a fucking clue what democracy means. And go fuck yourself for trying to justify Trump and his stupid mindless arsehole followers.
You sir are profoundly ignorant.
Here is BlackLivesMatters founder Alicia Garcia speaking contemptuously of those in the “black liberation movement”:
“In 2014, hetero-patriarchy and anti-Black racism within our movement is real and felt. It’s killing us and it’s killing our potential to build power for transformative social change. When you adopt the work of queer women of color, don’t name or recognize it, and promote it as if it has no history of its own such actions are problematic. When I use Assata’s powerful demand in my organizing work, I always begin by sharing where it comes from, sharing about Assata’s significance to the Black Liberation Movement, what it’s political purpose and message is, and why it’s important in our context.”
This thinly veiled reference to “Assata” is an intentional appeal to violent resistance. Assata Shakur was a Black Panther who was convicted of killing a police officer during a traffic stop. She subsequently escaped from jail and fled to Cuba.
You can accuse me of anything but ignorance is surely not one of them. To think that injustice won’t be met with violence is naive, to say the least. Not everyone is passive in that regard. Sadly that is a by-product of a system that doesn’t want to treat its citizens a equals.
In no way do I try and justify violence of any sort, but like I’ve said, precaution is much more important than to wait around ages and than suddenly have to figure out what to use as a cure. The Black Panthers didn’t just fell from the sky. We live in the year 2015. A lot of people have lost their lives for nothing so that today, we can at least say that the human rights movement has seen some growth. Still not on a socio economic basis so much, but at least you and I can sit together on a bus to work. Racism can’t be beaten with racism. We have to go to the root of the problem. We don’t need hateful idiots like Trump in this day and age. This is not 1933. The fact that this idiot is getting airtime is proof of how wrong we were in focusing on the symptoms instead of looking at the causes.
The racial challenges that black activists are facing today in America pale in comparison to those faced by Reverend King and his supporters; blacks and whites were losing their lives to advance the cause of racial and social justice long before the likes of Garcia came on the scene. Yet, Alicia Garcia does not hesitate to openly denigrate the heroic efforts of those who have gone before her and peacefully paved the street with their flesh and blood so that her generation could have a step up in further advancing the cause of social justice for ALL. She is all about redefining and radicalizing the Black Liberation Movement with the same social Marxist nonsense that self-aggrandizing, self-interested radicals have been counter-productively spewing for the last fifty years.
In case you haven’t noticed, it’s a month before Christmas and the overwhelming majority has shifted its attention to crazily participating in the annual consumer orgy rather than anything else. Then, once the bills come in, they/we worry about making the minimum payments rather than anything else, including climate change, social and economic poverty, racism, wars, and even, yikes, sex.
Even if Trump is not formally elected, The police officers who like his message aren’t waiting for the formalities.
That video does not show then “threatening protesters” since they were still in their car….days before the shooting.
In fact there is also video of the members of the protest group openly admitting that the guys were across the street video taping (just as they said they were going to do), and their “security team” confronted them(they were doing nothing illegal for the “security team” to confront them for).
There is plenty of corroborating evidence that the “White supremacists”, who had every right to just stand on the other side of the street, were accosted and had to protect themselves from the mob. They are lucky they did bring a gun.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=248_1448369155
“We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.” – Hillary Clinton.
Yes, Hillary. If we had to talk about how come they ended up like this you would have had to face the fact that you are part of a Plutocracy and that the system you’ve created is one that can only create the same fucked up outcome again and again. But fuck that idea of introspection. No, no. We will rather switch the whole ‘caution is better than cure’ around and put people in jail for ridiculous amounts of time. Rather create a more unjust system.
Jesus. Stuff like this just makes me fucking angry. I know she said that 9 years ago but the fact is she wasn’t a naive 25 year old when she uttered that bullshit. She knew full and well what she were protecting. Fucking fascist bastards.
And don’t get me even started on Spineless Trump. Americans should really start to take a good look at that so-called democracy of them, because, face it, if it were in fact a real democracy, and wannabe dictator like Trump arsehole wouldn’t even had a chance of standing for president. Think about it.
Democracy means equality for all. Not only for a few scum-bags who figured out how to rig the system. That pyramid scheme the Plutocrats got going is not only your worst enemy, but also that of the rest of the world. They are the main reason you’ve been at war ever since 1941.
Interesting how much damage Trump has done already, and after spending his money trying to get innocent teenagers executed, Trump’s only response is to blame the teenagers ”Why did they confess to the crime?”
(yeah a real mystery there Mr Trump, how innocent black kids could get railroaded by the New York justice system eh? Maybe they didn’t pull up their own bootstraps enough to become casino magnates with their father’s money?)
What’s even more interesting, to me, is trying to understand Trump’s massive popularity:
There’s the Colbertesque “I’m rich, and so can you”:
“and mostly done from a place of cowardice or discomfort with him being so blunt.”
Yes, that one idiotic line from Derek Hunter says quite enough to me about him. It’s difficult to not generalize if idiots mostly fit so nicely into that moulds of pure indoctrination.
Question: How “racist” is it of the FBI crime stats to lump stats for “hispanic” crimes into stats for “white” crimes?
If it’s “inclusive” of the FBI to regard “hispanics” as “white” when it comes to crime, what is it when a school board categorizes remarks made by “white” students as “ethnic slurs”, but not remarks made by “hispanic” students?
Who decided that only “white” people are capable of racism?
While it is suddenly popular to describe Donald Trump as a Fascist, I’m not sure if the description is accurate. Classical Fascism did not have a strong racialist component. So I think it would be more accurate to describe Trump as a National Socialist. I understand people are reluctant to do this, the term Socialist, being so highly charged in American political discourse, carries a lot of emotional baggage. But it might be possible to form a contraction of the label ‘National Socialist’ to produce a term which is more politically correct.
I am on it Benito. Weird isn’t it how there isn’t a catchier term? How about Nat-Soc? Too 1984-ian? I definitely sympathize with you not wanting Trump to tarnish the name of Fascism.
Classic fascism doesn’t, but the newer forms certainly do.
Yes. Hillary Clinton is a fascist. Trump is a wannabe dictator. In his mind he is a god. A god with a god awful fucking hairdo.
hahahahah
So an appropriate contraction in English for Trump would be Nat.See?
You’re the best benito haha
I will defend Trumps freedom of speech until I die…but…I’ll be buried tomorrow at high-noon…this man is a danger to the minds we have produced, his voice of ugliness is our collective fault; doesn’t anyone get this? he is a product of our society, again, our society…he didn’t come outta nowhere, we egged him on even…at best he is a manipulator of bankruptcy law(s) and a thief, no one gets that rich being a good guy…if we, as a society, don’t start really educating our people better they will never see how dangerous this man is, critical thinking isn’t being taught so we end up with what we have and I think, but don’t know, the rest of the planet is laughing at us and is afraid of us at the same time…good night & good luck
Yes, I wish more folks see how dangerous Trump really is; Carson, too. And I also agree with BL way down in comments that in general the candidates really are in position to get us far into fascism. Have ANY even talked about reigning in the surveillance state or stopping assassinations, for example?
I try to be hopeful, but I’m just not sure any more. Good luck? We’ll need it – and lots of help!
We’re about to find out just how much support there is for fascism in the US. Trump is now running an openly fascist campaign giving his thug followers permission to beat up minorities, especially Blacks. He said the Black Lives Matter protester at his rally deserved to be beaten up, and two days later in Minneapolis 5 people in the Black Lives Matter movement were shot. When thugs find a powerful leader to identify with it emboldens them. His campaign is about maintaining White power and control. He will most likely be thrown out of the republican party and run as an independent in the general election. The republican establishment is embarrassed by open, blatant displays of racism. It’s who they are but they like to keep it simmering on the back burner not boiling over up front.
Yes, I know. It’s been remarkable how many ppl are coming out of the closet as fascists. And how many ppl are telling me not to use the term fascist.
Well if your going to use a term back it up Juan. You at least started to tell a balanced story when you included Clinton’s super-predator….then backed off.
So is it racist or fascist? Fascist makes sense, he (Trump) did leave the dem party when they took a left to socialism and started talking about taxing rich people more. This scenario would support such a development of corrupt liberal and fascist organizations as they feed off of one another .
The question then becomes, does the majority (as in Germany) stand by and watch the groups duke it out and hope for the best Or do they put a stop to it?
I vote put a stop to it
Just as a back drop to your statement
Bill Clinton in 1994 stood by while almost 1M Rwandans were slaughtered in Africa, mutilated and ‘raped..he did nothing. He was also the Arkansas governor that signed the bill raising the stars and bars (dixie) flag over the state capitol. He also said of Obama ” a few years ago this guy would have been carrying our bags.” Clinton while president also supported the UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy) a clear racist organization listed with southern poverty law. Bill Clinton also had as his V.P Al Gore, son of Al Gore senior who voted against the Civil Rights Act and other not so nice associations. Clinton’s mentor also happened to be William J Fullbright southern Democrat of the segregationist flavor. Bill Clintons step father was also a Klan member. And last is was Clinton who forgave an Exalted Cyclops of the KKK (sen Robert Byrd) for his trespass at the mans funeral.
To go further I dont think the Republicans actually identify with the Koch Bros or Donald Trump, all of which are immigrants to the party since the Dems took a hard turn into socialism.
Why do we care that Bill Clinton’s “stepfather” was a Klan member? Are we supposed to assume, as you do, that Bill Clinton, having had one stepfather who was a Klan member, must therefore himself be a filthy rotten hating racist?
Just wondering. What’s the logic here? While we’re on the topic of Bill Clinton’s first stepfather, did you know that Roger Clinton, that stepfather, was an abusive alcoholic who beat-up on Bill’s mother?
So, is the “logic” one of Bill Clinton admiring Roger’s behavior, therefore Bill Clinton is really a KKK member?
Just wondering.
The logic is that if Trump (which I dont argue one way or the other) is a racist, then Bill Clinton who supported racist organizations and hung out with racists, and defends racists, and raised the racist flag over Arkansas is also a racist. His wife Hillary later coined the racist term ‘super-predator’
The point, its sad that false dichotomies are created between political parties, that people then attach their egos to and ignore bad behavior and crimes.
It was a response to Larry who said “The republican establishment is embarrassed by open, blatant displays of racism. It’s who they are but they like to keep it simmering on the back burner not boiling over up front”
and made not effort to blast a long tradition of racism in the Dem party.
And yes, I know his Klan pappy beat up on him, and that his mother was aware that he was a Klan member. Some have suggested that it was that abuse childhood trauma that led Billy to become an abuser of women himself.
@larry –
Good comments. The kind of behavior witnessed at that rally was something we’d expect from some “third world” or developing nation; not us who supposedly stand for freedom and democracy.
I’m embarrassed and quite concerned.
Indeed, Trump and others such as Carson are far from a laughing matter but terrifyingly reminiscent of Hitler and just as repulsive.
If monied jerks such as Trump are the best of the bunch the US wealthy and corporates own and support ever make it as President, it will need more than anyone’s god to save America and the rest of the world.
P.S. There’s definitely nothing funny about Trump (except maybe his orange toupée), but at the risk of “of sinking giggling into the sea” (thanks Mr. Thompson for the interesting link), the comments section is, how should I put it … entertaining?
Just as scary as Hitler? You could of at least started with Oliver Wendel Holmes and the sterilization ruling, or perhaps Roosevelts illegal internment of Japanese, and perhaps a dash more of SCOTUS such as Hugo Black and topped it all off with Demo Woodrow wilson. For garnish, Margaret Sanger and Eugenics.
Just saying
Isn’t one fascist already one too many?
Every Presidents ever have been compared to Hitler, it’s a running gag… Obama is Hitler, Bush was Hitler, everybody is Hitler according to somebody… just paint a mustache and you’re done.
Sounds like your own moustache is of the darkest, uniform, ebony shade without subtle shades of grey.
Typical of conservatives making an argument is assuming the role of “the other” (Latino, native American, etc) or as a professional or highly educated scholar to push their racist point. It’s a smoke-and-mirrors attempt to hide behind a false identity while marginalizing another race.
They like to give a respectable veneer to it by citing pseudo-science specifically written to give scholarly credence to black inferiority, such as the Bell Curve. They often like to start their arguments with the tired IQ debate or crime statistics.
I know such a person. He makes a remark that sounds on the surface racist, backs it up from a book of “facts” and won’t let anyone debunk it unless they prove it or cite a source.
He then goes down that road where if you call him a racist, after he has made a slew of disparaging remarks about non-whites, that it is “name calling” and “ad hominem” attacks and tries to make you out to be the villain, “racist against whites” all the while asserting that he is NOT a bigot, quoting from books or online resources written strictly for the purpose of giving scholarly (oft historic revisionist) or pseudo-scientific backing to racist arguments. These people think they are clever coming off as some sort of educated intellectual.
A few of them might actually work in think-tanks or have training in propaganda and intimidation tactics to use online. Others are clever enough to present the illusion of intellectual and prowess, when they are actually unemployed and living with their parents. Usually hanging out in the basement typing on their computers while mom/dad comes down to do the laundry. Just request a little privacy before you go down there to whack off.
So true Future XPAT?
Had a longer reply for you Xpat, it does not appear to have posted.
In short, thanks for being the uppity liberal that would deny me a middle ground position simply because i dont agree or attempting to find answers.
Again, some folks in here need to check what your doing and saying before you call others racist or fascist, because you are all some extremely skilled hypocrites .
That’s odd. The Bell Curve had excellent data credentials, consistently used verified and confirmed stats, and has never been “debunked” on any basis of true science.
Are you sure you know what “science” is?
Trump is all American! He is a representative of the racism white supremacist ideology that permeates American corporate elites, and a lot of ordinary Americans. America has been and still is a white supremacist country. It permeates it’s media and institutions in one way or another. The white supremacist ideology is projected internationally as American exception-ism. American exception-ism has its roots in white supremacy which goes hand in hand with American imperialism.
If I was white and lived in a black supremacist country I would move immediately. Why would I stay where I wasn’t wanted?
Since the white man in this country emigrated here, committed genocide against the native born, and through baseless delusion believes that this portion of the North American continent somehow belongs to him, it would make infinitely more sense for the whites to go back where they came from.
Actually, according to a multitude of documents, treaties etc not all of them good of course. The land was purchased. The American Govt, via taxs collected from the populace continues to make huge payments yearly to more than 500 nations.
Bull. Say that to the white South Africans who have lived in S.A. for generations. You don’t simply pack up and leave. You’re out of touch.
I am sure Donald Trump will continue to do this crap until he has won the Republican primary. At that point (when he needs to when the general election, instead of the GOP primary) he will say, “I didn’t know I was retweeting a tweet from a neo-nazi. I thought it was an actual statistic, but it was not a valid statistic so I deleted the tweet. He will then say that his comments about a watch list only refer to the existing watch list which is for terrorists and if they just so happen to be Muslim terrorists then they should be on the terrorist watch list. He will immediately distance himself from anything construed to be fascist and pretend to be really liberal to appeal to the rest of America. But his short term goal and his long term goal are two different things. His seemingly fascist statements and tweets are what he has calculated will win him the GOP primary, and it seems to be working. If Hillary wins the Democratic primary, Trump may pull it off since a lot of people in the United States don’t like Hillary Clinton. Hillary seems to have the primary election in the bag so she doesn’t have to make a lot of left-of-center comments to win the primary in the way that Trump has to make right-of-center comments to win the primary. But I agree with Juan Thompson’s main points in this article that Trump has definitely crossed a lot of lines that shouldn’t be crossed and gotten away with it.
Remember Juan: ‘Black Lies Matter’.
Here I was thinking they had a major lice problem this whole time. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
Okay.
Find yourself in this video, Juan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Tk4zraz-Q&feature=youtu.be
How can you believe that stuff and live. Unless you watch that video for laughs you have to be brain dead to sit through it.
The media’s greed will stop at nothing. All they want is a show. They want war. they want confrontations. Truth and Justice are punchlines.
Nice work Juan.
Thank you.
@ Juan
And now you’ve got citizens shooting at protesters. Not sure which is worse, when private citizens take law into their own hands, or police enforce the laws selectively and with more force than is proportional or necessary.
Two guys (have been arrested 1 described as White and 1 Hispanic) just apparently shot and injured 5 people at the Minneapolis protest that is happening.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/24/457214142/5-people-are-shot-at-site-of-black-lives-matter-protest-in-Minneapolis
None of this is going to end well if things don’t change and rapidly in this country.
Well Juan, keep spouting your xenophobic leftist hate at Caucasians, while you pretend not to be a hater and see how it gets worse.
Always love it when one racist is outraged at another racists comments. Reminds me of a discussion between a kettle and a pot.
He wrote an article about Donald Trump. I don’t think he was talking about White people.
@ Mr. Half
Do you even know what “xenophobia” means? It means irrational fear of people from other countries. How could I possibly be described as engaging in “xenophobic leftist hate at Caucasians” unless those Caucasians weren’t from America? Which of course, being a “leftist” I’m actually 100% and consistently on the side of never engaging in any discriminatory actions against people based on the fact they are from a different country or are a different “race”.
What I always find amusing is how bigots don’t even comprehend the meaning of the words they try and employ to give life to their little fucked up fantasy reality.
As far as it “getting worse” I’m pretty sure you don’t want to live in that “worse” world if the people of color in this world decide they’ve had enough of your little experiment in white supremacy. Because I hate to break it to you but “white” folks, however you define that artificial construct, is outnumbered about 6 to 1 on the planet by “people of color”.
merci, once again.
xenophobe also means fear of strangers (idealogic or cultural), the other, or unfamiliar beliefs of customs.
Im not a bigot Im a cultural anthropologist watching one hate group critique another hate group while espousing that they dont hate. Calling names etc etc.
Im also fully brown, so not sure when I would have an opportunity to experiment with white supremacy, but being tethered to Catholicism I can also assure you that the KKK would not allow me to join for that reason either…I think they have a two strike rule.
You seem to have a fear of being over powered by Whites, you are very forceful in the way you let me know that your supposed gang of color outnumbers white folks. Simple question; havent they (whites) always been outnumbered? Your fear is irrational.
@ Mr. Half
First, seriously doubt you are a cultural anthropologist, at least not one with a PhD given your diction (although I suppose it could be, alternatively, that your native language isn’t English). Second, the commonly understood definition of xenophobia is “irrational fear or hatred of strangers or foreigners”. “Foreigners” in the sense of being of different national origin. In fact, nobody I know in law, social sciences or academia has ever uttered the term “xenophobe” or “xenophobia” to describe that fear as against “strangers” however defined or because of “ideological” differences. In fact, being of different “ideological differences” is the antithesis of the concept of “xenophobia” which is predicated on the concept of an “immutable trait” (i.e. nation of origin status) whereas “ideological differences” are a “difference of beliefs” by definition.
And to be precise I have no idea whether you are “Caucasian” or “fully brown” or purple with spots on your skin as I could care less and understand “race” a reality in the sense of social reality not a proper biological construct. Having said that, I assume nothing about your race in responding to your comment that I could possibly be spouting thoughts from a position of “leftist xenophobic hate at Caucasians” for the very simple reason that you don’t seem to fully comprehend the meaning of those words–as any legitimate “cultural anthropologist” would.
Finally, I have ZERO fear of “Whites” (being in part white, native American and Hispanic) or any other group of people based on the melanin content of their skin, their nation of origin, their gender, their sexual orientation or gender identity or any other immutable trait. And I have ZERO irrational fear of any thing or any one because, I unlike you apparently, I actually understand statistics and the concept of “mathematical risk”. What I do fear, and rightfully so, is that there are many human beings on the planet who don’t understand those concepts, who are xenophobes and bigots, and that they act on that xenophobia and bigotry in a way that harms many others who do no look like me or are not from America. I do not worry about myself ever in that sense. I do care about others who might be harmed by bigotry or xenophobia not just in rhetorical ways but on the acts that are spawned from that sort of rhetoric. And for the very simple reason that it is a very ugly human impulse that rears its ugly head over and over again in human history all over the globe. And I don’t want to see it happen again here in America.
My point in pointing out that “Caucasians” are “outnumbered” 6 to 1 on the globe was to state a fact assuming we are going to, for the sake of discussion, treat the concept of “race” as if it was real or important concept (which it is to a great many human beings on the planet, but as a function of their relative lack of power by comparison to a majority population, or by comparison to a minority race group in rather than majority) and that somehow minorities standing up for their rights anywhere in the world could be a matter of “see[ing] how it gets worse” which was your comment not mine.
Because the only people on the globe I’d think should be concerned about it “getting worse” as a function of “mathematical risk” are those who are relatively outnumbered globally 6 to 1, and in America who are demographically seeing their imminent end as the “majority group” as a function of “race”. But my guess is that when “whites” become a minority population in America, which is demographically inevitable, that all those “people of color” will treat their “white” fellow human beings much better than they were treated for hundreds of years. And you know why? Because it is also a part of the human condition that once you’ve been on the short end of the irrational bigotry or xenophobia stick, you try much harder not to do that to other human beings–ever.
And as an aside, that you think referring to people as “white” is a sign, symbol or example of “micro-aggressions” just confirms my opinion that you are neither a “cultural anthropologist” or particularly well educated in any respect about these issues.
Your obtuse, my direction is to learn….and I see hate filled people calling others hateful things and pretending its not hate. And yes I will be more than willing to put my vita up against yours any day of the week, Anthropology is not about politics although you seem to suggest that it is.
I just love how you always have to piss superiority “that your native language isnt English” your almost thoughtless in your desire to exude supremacy…is that lost on you? “As any proper cultural anthropologist would”, do you not hear yourself or see what your writing. Your struggling it seems with being confronted
Im sorry for your limited understanding on xenophobe, if you would like to reserve its use as power word for socialists to yell at people who disagree with them, have at it. Your lack of knowledge on ideological constructs and the development of group beliefs and actions is very much highlighted by your long winded and simplistic paragraph. However, and regardless of your opposition I shall continue to use it as it was and is appropriate.
Then you claim not to be concerned with skin color…..but all of your posts handle social issues not from a perspective of the real underlying issues but the naive splashing around of fake intellect on the shallow end of the pool. You frequently allude to white people dying so that the future can be better, that whites must be racist, if I dont agree with you I’m not proper, or stupid. If Donald Trump is talking about people like you, then he just got this minorities vote because you are really scary. I will gladly kiss his white arse to avoid a world in which you helped create.
The mere fact that you quickly label something as bigotry and xenophobe is the problem I have with you….it makes a dangerous fire starter. And this proper anthropologist will suggest to you to stop assuming knowledge of intent or meaning and start asking more salient questions. SO IF YOU DONT WANT TO SEE IT REAR ITS UGLY HEAD STOP DOING IT YOURSELF.
The fact that you dont recognize your use of racist terms and slurs is not a reflection of me or my education….it does say a lot about your ego and the loftiness of your perceived self worth.
calling people ‘white’ is most definitely a modern derogatory word. I know that messes with your overall victim mentality, take over the world or at least wrestle America from the founding population speal. But your just a little bit off.
And I think your missing something, since whites as you put it created the country. Do they have to let demographics remove them from their own creation and legacy? Because I think you forget in your blind weird color scheme way of looking at the world, whites also know oppression. They know some of the worst forms of it, and it helped form a philosophy that gave birth to this nation and a pathway to freedom around the world. (and some bad things as well)
You see the world in terms you dont understand, then label it as bad or good. Perform a cow study such as Harris did, but on American white group think, and then you might know your neighbor better.
Caucasians aren’t a real group Mr. Half. And I’m not racist, the fact that you think that b/c I call out Trump’s lies speaks volumes about you and your beliefs.
I use Caucasian as it is less offensive, than the recently political charged micro-aggression of calling people ‘white’, which means bigoted racist….similar to the tirade above.
These useful idiots are always available immediately before a revolution. With the racist hate they spew, they bring on their own destruction and enslavement. If they spent their time in their history classes rather than getting high and protesting against white people working to provide for the entire nation, they’d know who and what is playing them. Instead, they will be used to create more racial hatred and a greater police state. THANKS USEFUL IDIOTS, YOU’VE DONE IT AGAIN!
@ Diego
Yeah man, like only “white people work to provide for the entire nation”. Nothing could establish your bigot bona fides more than making a statement like that.
THANKS USEFUL BIGOT YOU’VE DONE IT AGAIN!
“The fault line” … the correct term is “fault trace”.
A line is the shortest distance between 2 points and faults are never straight so they cannot be lines.
@ Diego
Want to hazard a guess as to which “racial” group in America is the biggest recipient of “welfare” benefits in this country (other than for-profit entities)? Here I’ll help you–it isn’t African Americans. Guesses? Anyone? Buehler? Anyone?
Only one race in this country enjoys the “skin-color” privilege. To not be harassed by police due solely to your race, to not be disproportionately incarcerated and executed police due solely to your race, to not be denied housing and jobs due solely to your race, and to not have a history of barbaric slavery and unhinged hatred towards you due solely to your race, makes any ridiculous argument you make about BOTH races receiving equal unfair treatment absurd.
While you enjoy a lifetime of white privilege, and watch others on FOX who share in your lifetime of white privilege, you want desperately to believe you face a horrific struggle that is not only EQUAL to what African-Americans endure, you actually have it HARDER.
You don’t.
And the fact that the crackpot white media you’re a customer of pretends you have a legitimate beef so if you scream & cry like a two year old, and make patently absurd “arguments”, you’re bullshit objections will win and equality for minorities can go back to being ignored that it was before – it won’t. Admit you’re the problem and shut up.
Oh, and fuck you!
I dont know privelage. The first violent act I ever witnessed was may father pulling a store clerk over a counter after he called my mother a bleeping squaw. I lived in a house for a decade that not more than 20ft from my front door was a couple squashed trailer homes from the 60’s. My first fight kindergarten, other kids said I didnt belong.
I will admit my family has a history with slavery, and we are not white and the slaves not black, big tradition of raiding, trading, and feasting all over the world. A buddy of mine from Oregon likes to brag about how his tribe was the biggest seller or slaves (Indians) and thus they were the badest on the land.
I would also suggest that you have forgotten about poor whites with improper patrilineal heritage. Its not to disqualify what has happened….but if you look just a little bit into the ‘others’ history it reveals a lot. I think that is the secret, Ghandi used it to great success. He understood the British and used that knowledge to move his people forward. With your path and language choice India would still be ruled.That revelation should help us all move forward but it seems we are stuck on hate and name calling.
So Luther although you may be frustrated you have in fact demonstrated an unwillingness to think about things versus just get pissed off. You accused me a person of color that knows poverty, rejection, racism, hatred, and despair….lots of names. Thanks for that. My belief in humans and any potential at making things better is a little less solidified.
Juan
I’m sure you have a tough skin but writing a piece like this is going to make the comments section under this one seem like a StormFront convention. As inevitable as night follows day (or day follows night depending on your perspective) once the Trump goofs and other assorted racist cranks start showing up with their concocted “evidence” and “theories” regarding “race”.
Buckle up because it’s going to get rough is my guess.
So true. I gotta keep fighting the good fight though.
Like I said, it might be time for that all black safe space where you won’t be assaulted by the truth.
And like I said you wouldn’t know the “truth” if it bit you in the ass and kicked you in your shriveled pink scrotum. You’re less than nothing to me bigot so you are probably wasting your time even responding to me unless it’s to provide the “proof” of your idiotic bigoted assertions about race.
Short of that I’d like nothing better than to sit back and watch you and all your bigot fellow travelers fade into the obscurity of American history as nothing more than a violent ugly footnote to the pluralistic secularist democracy that some white people have never wanted and actively fought against the entirety of their miserable little lives in this country. Because at base they are frightened little cowards.
As a young white male I would have personally worked very hard to attend the next Trump rally with several of my pals and started a riot with his Brown Shirt thug supporters. It would have been an opportunity to confront a “Hitler” before he ascends. Of course as an old guy I don’t condone violence. But you have to admit, they are just inviting it. ?? Aren’t they?
I’m definitely going to a rally.
He might actually win. Three reasons, the first of which is a deferential and careless press, as this article notes, as Salon notes.
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/24/donald_trump_might_actually_be_invincible_his_hateful_message_has_taken_a_fascist_turn_and_the_press_is_letting_him_get_away_with_it/
The second reason would be the primary system, in which small blocs of GOP voters — white, evangelical, skittish — could determine the nominee in just a few small states like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. The third reason would be a general election, distorted by voter suppression, gerrymandering and the electoral-college system, that could lever a GOP candidate into the White House with relatively few votes.
Yeah, thanks for that Salon article.
I’m rather glad that I do not live in America. It’s almost sad that a country with actual potential to do an incredible amount of good is stuck with a politician so set in his ways. It would take him decades to even look to the left, nevermind respect it. Notice how his hand in the picture even points straight to the right (his right, not our right). America could possibly be brilliant if only it could just shake off these lunatics.
I’m not sure he’s set in his ways; rather, he appears to be completely out of control. As for not living in America, try picturing him — or Ted Cruz, say — in the White House with full control over U.S. conventional and nuclear forces. Try picturing him now that the presidency, thanks to Bush and Obama, endowed itself with unlimited and extralegal wartime powers. No place on the planet would be safe then.
Incidentally, with this latest crisis — Turkey shooting down a Russian fighter — it will be an object lesson on who is in power when something happens. Maybe this president might sweep it under a rug in a week, but not if a Trump or Cruz, instead, is in power to inflame it.
“Try picturing him now that the presidency, thanks to Bush and Obama”
Core reason not race. I use the “Soap” analogy “Crazy is Looking Good”
The two post Constitutional presidents slogan “Yes We can, elect Trump.
Ms. Clinton’s logo is an arrow pointing to the right.
Donald Trump is an intellectually and morally bankrupt person with fascist tendencies, which is why he’s got an excellent shot at the GOP nomination.
Very astute Jose.
What exactly is all of this hardened liberal fascist crap? You do realize Jose that if trump is a Fascist, its simply because Marxism, Liberalism, and Anarchism feed a segment of the population that wishes to retaliate against alienation. Not so hard to figure out.
So are you opposed to Trump because you see him as a foil to your liberal desires? Or are you just offended and throwing out micro-aggression because you dont like Whitey?
@ Mr. Half
Do you just pick a bunch of multi-syllabic words and string them together and assume they mean something coherent?
So yet again, belittlement, suggesting that Im inferior, you are superior.
Its a question. When people call someone or a group fascist, it begs the follow up of how does a fascist group exist or come to power without the requisite “other”.
I want to know if a perceived label of a radical towards someone of a different opinion (and in this case poor fact checking) is just name calling or fact. Such an extreme radical group would have a difficult time existing without having fuel (ie an equal opposite) from somewhere.
@ Mr. Half
I am superior to you because you appear to be cognitively, emotionally and intellectually stunted.
As far as name calling or your hair-brained theories on race, xenophobia or fascism here’s my theory–you should actually study those concepts and understand them before you start stringing them together in a sentence otherwise people are going to label you (or call you names) with the words that best describe your ideas and attitude. Sorry.
Care to back up your hypothesis? While anti-communism was a component of Nazi Germany, what primarily fuels fascism is the idea of a decadent society that needs an authoritarian strongman to cleanse it, by eliminating perceived inferior members.
No, I’m honestly opposed to Trump because there’s a non-trivial chance that we’ll see Fascism rise in the US if he’s elected.
This sort of paranoid projection is fairly typical of racists, xenophobes and fascists.
Cant stand trump.
Nice, someone is thinking. But if Trump can be a fascist what about Hillary? An extremely extremely wealthy woman, who doesnt really have to follow laws, pretends shes poor and down with the people. Actually declared half of America as her enemies. That scares me just as much.
Thinking that Bernie is such a dope he might be safe to vote for, but socialism is always more costly than capitalism with more flotsam.
Not really trusting any of the baby boomer generation.
I am not sure Trump is personally a racist but he sure knows how to play the card to his advantage. MSM is happy to boost ratings on the divisive issues such as race, guns, security and war and abortion. Divide and conquer while rich elites quietly on trade, public insurance of derivatives and other $money-issues$ pick we the people’s pockets clean down to our socks. The money-Issues keep many on the bottom in poverty and associated violence and push others downward out of the middle class or leave them in fear of falling. This creates fertile ground for racism to be exploited. Restoring the flow of money and mobility to the middle class for all would not stop but might stifle racial rhetoric as a political tool.
I believe Trump is personally a racist. Using racism to advance one’s political ambitions makes one racist.
Kind of like you, right Juan?
Exactly.
That’s doesn’t make any sense. I haven’t any political ambitions in the sense that I’m not running for office. And you think I’m racist b/c of this article, then you’re beyond dense and a defender of the racist, violent status quo.
Stop projecting. You won’t win this debate.
appreciate the article, Juan, though I wish we weren’t talking about that hateful (or, possibly, hate-masquerading) narcissist. Can’t help but think the liberal press’s consistent delight in repeating his antics–ostensibly for purposes of pointing & laughing–these many months has helped to normalize that hateful rhetoric & keep us all repeating his name (cuts eyes @ jeet heer).
Just wanted to chime in here to express rueful admiration for your engagement with the trolls here in the comments.
Keep up the excellent work.
I think lots of racists and race hustlers take advantage all the time to promote themselves and make a buck……they come in many colors.
We should be concerned with the economic and political manipulation of public sentiment. Instead we are told to draw lines and start calling names.
Any man that would call Trump a racist and not review the comments and behavior of Obama and come to the same conclusion…is well extremely blind or biased.
Juan, Erik, BS, if we cast the broadest lope we can all join the racist club. Some say I am the recipient of white privilege. The three years I spent in Special Forces that earned my college tuition under the GI Bill was an honor but did not seem very privileged. I believe that “all lives matter” some say this is racist. I also believe if injustice puts “dark” meat on the menu today, “white meat” will be on the menu tomorrow. I can’t fix the hearts of men there are few great man like King or Lincoln. I do believe if we can follow and fix the money, restore the middle class for all and build better governance and the rule of Constitutional Law it will do much to restore equity and hopefully some harmony among men.
I agree, in theory Fred, but you may have not spent enough time researching this issue, I’ll save you the few years required to understand this situation: this has all been orchestrated. We are watching an attack slowly unfold on this country, and this country’s principles which remain the last bastion against a global total state control. We, and you, are it.
You have noble ideals, and likely some remembrance of what this country used to be like, but I sincerely encourage you to methodically research what is happening, what organizations, what individuals, what funding is driving this change. It is actually not that hard to figure out once you recognize your own programming and preconceptions.
Their pride and self confidence has grown, many of them are out in the open, openly declaring what they are doing and their final objective. You see how these young SJW’s respond to their propaganda, they eat it up. These kids have good hearts, but they’re woefully undereducated and over propagandized. I hope that they can come to the truth before their usefulness is expended and they are brutally cast aside. We could greatly use their help in restoring this country, and the world.
Some things of agreement here.
Juan if you, I and most other WE the people would till and cultivate what we agree on we again would be a Republic. Our prejudice, fears and ignorance keep us divided as Power desires so we can be controlled separately.
Where are the leaders that can teach and accomplish this unity, I look but find them no place. It seems if you took the best qualities of all the present candidates you might have one good candidate. I have seen great leaders they exist. I wish one would show-up, any sex, any race, any party. The revolution I hope for is one of thought, respect, mutual benefit and unity to restore a Republic a bit more perfect.
Trump is what happens when you and your cohort overreach and try to force your uber-important social-change issues down our throats. You reap what you sow…
@ BS
No overreach whatsoever. Just the inevitable. And you should think long and hard about what that “inevitability” entails when your demographic presence in America is relegated to white, old and relatively less powerful in the next 100 years of America’s future. My advice is adapt or die.
Yes, resorting to violence is your only recourse…it is innate.
@ BS
Sort of like the “innate recourse to violence” your ancestors likely employed in enslaving millions of people and committing a genocide against the indigenous peoples of North America? You mean that sort of innate violence? Do you even know what the word “innate” means?
Here’s another newsflash–I’ve never committed a single act of violence against anybody who didn’t strike me first. And because you have zero right to ever put your hands on me without my permission, or legal authority, that is the only situation I’ve ever committed a violent act against anyone–in legitimate self-defense. People like you on the other hand have a long and dubious history of violence in this nation.
Rrheard, but you don’t have a right of self defense, I’ve just checked the social justice manual and it clearly states that the state will have sole authority to use force of any kind. I’m going to report you to the leadership… you might be sent to the US equivalent of a Siberian work camp, where we’ll never hear your violent and totalitarian rhetoric about your supposed right of self defense. This is how the snake eats itself.
@ Erik
You are a sad (presumably white) little man. I mostly have pity for people like you who appear as dumb and as frightened of the future as you appear to be. But I’m optimistic that you’re a dying breed and that your children will be better than you.
Basically frightened little cowards afraid of their own shadows and the scary boogeyman of other human beings with greater melanin content in their skin. If there is anything more superficial meaningless than that to evaluate a man’s (or woman’s) potential or character on that basis, I don’t know what it is–but I’m sure you could enlighten all us other dumb humans.
In fact your about as consequential to the future of America as dryer lint or earwax which is to say nearly meaningless.
You wrote “I’m optimistic that you’re a dying breed and that your children will be better than you.”
you should now scroll up and look at your comment on Native American treatment. I hate to tell you this but people that allow or commit genocides have the same sentiment as you almost verbatim. They also had/have a tendency to argue that what they are doing is best for the future. Old slogan from way back, kill the Indian, save the man.
So thank you for at least here demonstrating that all colors can hate and commit atrocities towards his neighbor and fellow man.
C’est vrai.
Yes, I do:
in·nate.
1. inborn; natural:
“his innate capacity for violence”
synonyms: inborn · inbred · inherent · indwelling · natural · intrinsic ·
Next question.
Sorry to burst your bubble BS, but slavery was already a fact here before Caucasians ever set foot here. You also need to remember when you say ‘genocide’, as you likely dont understand cultural evolution. That your blaming people for a behavior that was committed by others of various colors around the world. What you should have noticed, but don’t most likely because of political sophistry or out right propaganda purposes is that America did come to realize that discounting Native relations and lives was not acceptable. Its why you see the formation of reservation and pueblos etc.
If you want to understand genocide from a cultural perspective and not just political tool I would suggest you read up on the Rwanada genocide that Bill Clinton stood by and watched, or even that which occurred in Britain with a massive 92% of the native male population disappearing.
You guys gotta stop hating and grow up. Your all F’n scary
And here you have why Trump is popular…..”adapt or die”. A clear reference to the socialist agenda of replacing citizens with ‘others’ that will vote them into power, or even help to just tale property, money, resources etc. Effectively taking a country without a traditional war.
And just a heads up, Im not white, and your liberal xenophobic hatred is obvious and visible.
@ Mr. Half
God you are insufferably ignorant. “Adapt or die” isn’t a reference to a socialist agenda or any other. It is reality. And since I can’t “replace” anybody with anybody else, and only “citizens” can vote, then no amount of me trying to substitute in some “other” for you is even possible.
Do you have any accurate historical conception of the amount of “property, money and resources” that “white America” stole or appropriated from the indigenous peoples of North America and through enforced slavery? Do you?
And again, you really shouldn’t try to string together words that you clearly don’t have a grasp on their meaning like “liberal xenophobic hatred”. It just makes you look ignorant.
No, your adapt or die line was sloganeering your prejudice and desire to dominate over another, you are clearly angry.
On the issue of “accurate historical conception”….My family is Native American. So what are you going to tell me about appropriation?
And just because I cant stand cherry picking of dramatic facts such as you do. Your average reservation (ie just one) or pueblo takes in direct funds from the Fed every year in the amount of about 45million (multiply that by reservation lots of variation however) depending on what they are doing, for about 2000 people. (pine ridge is different and some others) This does not include the money for housing, or health care, or education. Nor does it include the Fed allowing gaming, not that it makes up for anything. Stop using the hate of the paste to support your desire to hate now…the crimes of people that are dead are not proper justification for you today.
So yes a great tragedy (that indians did to other Indians as well) but attempts have been made to say sorry. The true crime is not the property or the money…….its the fact that Natives got locked into a welfare system.
And, liberal xenophobic hatred is a real thing
It could be “codified objectivity” or it could be overt to intrinsic (although unconscious) bias (from overt bigotry to class bias as all BOD members are hyper rich) by an overwhelming white, very old on average and very financially rich composition of the Board of Directors of the six majors.
Is it really surprising how the American mass media treats African Americans given the age and composition of its leadership? They are composed of the same class of white, old, multi-millionaire/billionaire human beings that are exactly like Donald Trump in every meaningful sense (life experience, education, class, race). To call out the Donald is to have to deal with their own bias and bigotry. Not gonna happen is my guess.
It is generally accepted that 6 giant entertainment conglomerates own 90% of major mass media in this country:
GE (Comcast, NBC, Universal Pictures)(One AA on Board of Directors–Dr. James Cash Jr. Harvard business professor);
Newscorp (Fox, WSJ, New York Post)(appears to be no AAs on Board of Directors);
Disney (ABC, ESPN, Miramax, Pixar)(One AA on Board of Directors–Aylwin B. Lews);
Viacom (MTV, CMT, BET, Paramount)(appears to be one AA on Board of Directors–Charles E Phillips Jr.);
Time Warner (CNN, HBO, Time, Warner Bros.)(appears to be one AA on Board of Directors–Donna A James):
CBS (Showtime, 60 Minutes)(appears to be one AA on Board of Directors–Bruce Scott Gordon).
Interesting graphic below:
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
By comparison here is a Pew fact sheet re: African American ownership of mass media and it is a miniscule drop in bucket by comparison:
http://www.journalism.org/2015/04/29/african-american-media-fact-sheet/
I mean for fuck’s sake, NBC News President, Deborah Turness, and at a “Diversity” meeting with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus no less, starts out by referring to undocumented immigrants as “illegals”. At a “diversity” meeting? Seriously WTF? And then after being immediately stopped and corrected, she starts trying to speak Spanish to smooth it over. Fucking clueless and nobody should be surprised that nobody in mainstream media is willing to call out Donald Trump for is race-baiting and xenophobia.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/deborah-turness-nbc-undocumented-immigrants_564e4db1e4b0258edb30c384
Fair points.
Journalists are used to treating any given politician’s views as automatically part of the Sphere of Legitimate Debate.
This model worked in the past to preserve a slightly regressive status quo. We didn’t get to hear from non-interventionists or socialists, but then again we didn’t have to listen to fascist ethno-nationalism on the Sunday shows.
But when a Trump or Carson blurts out insane racism, the media has no choice. It’s a legitimate debate now.
“After the break: Should the US become a nightmare racist police state and start a 3rd world war? We’ll be talking to 2 candidates who say yes, and one who says sort of, if we have help from allies. Stay tuned to this normal legitimate debate.”
Ha. So true. I can just imagine that sentence above being said by some dim-witted cable news anchor.
I’d like to decode a couple of euphemisms you’ve employed:
Children in street organizations – These are violent street thugs. I’ve escaped these children street organization with my life, thankfully, a few times; everybody knows what they are. Your attempt at minimizing what they are, and the impact that they have had on our society is disgusting.
Innocent families – Also known as illegal immigrants who have committed, at least, a few FELONIES in doing what they’ve done. Yes, so innocent those multiple felons.
If you merely were an idiot, I’d let it pass, but you are enabling the destroyers of this nation, and in turn are yourself destroying this nation. I, and millions of others like me, will defeat you in every way possible. We will end your lying murderous ways. You speak against Trump, but it is you and people like you that have pissed people off enough that they’ll accept this political thug. With your lies you empower Trump (another thing I cannot seem to forgive you for).
I’m trying not to, but I have a dark hope that one of your children street organizations kills a loved one of yours, not in a robbery gone wrong, but just for fun. I hope there is surveillance footage of the execution, and the children street organization taunts and laughs at your loved one as they are brutally, slowly, executed. I hope that you watch the video over and over again and are confronted by your own involvement in normalizing the very murderous behavior that has taken your love from you. But something tells me you don’t have any love except for the love of Juan.
Your comment is perfect.
Yeah, perfect except it’s a lie. Specifically this:
http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html
Illegal entry is a misdemeanor.
I didn’t say illegally crossing the border was a felony, I said they committed a few felonies in doing what they’ve done, i.e. establishing a presence within the US. 18 U.S.C. § 1001 is an obvious choice, but there are many, many more involving fake identities, collection of federal and state benefits, their children attending school. These “innocent families” are steeped in illegality, by their very nature, their very presence is illegal. How can we tolerate so many serious law breakers in this country? We can’t, and we wont. You guys don’t see it because you’ve been in your little group think echo chambers where you reiterate your mantra of white people bad, color people good, but deportation is happening. As it stands, more illegal immigrants are now leaving than are coming because America has been deflated to near Mexico levels. But nonetheless, the people brazenly breaking the law are going to be rounded up and removed. If they (or you) want to return legally, and make a contribution to this country, than great, but we’re not going to let millions of people profit from committing multiple felonies. It is over, and it is time that you begin to address the new reality.
@ Erik
First, should leave reading and understanding the law to lawyers. Do you even know what section 18 U.S.C. § 1001 applies to–generally or specifically? It’s the fraud and false statements section of the US Code as a function of substantive and procedural federal criminal law.
More importantly what your getting after is 18 U.S. Code § 1015 which is making sworn statements or knowingly using false documents to attempt to be naturalized or with regard to citizenship status.
The vast majority of undocumented aliens in this nation commit the misdemeanor of crossing the border without the proper documentation or overstaying a legitimate visa (which isn’t a crime but a civil offense).
Tap your magic ruby slippers together 3 times there Princess, close your eyes real tight, and maybe just maybe you’ll wake up and realize you’re a moron. There is no way, to the tune of almost an estimated cost of $1 trillion dollars and 20 + years of time, will the American government (Republican or Democratic parties) ever attempt to identify, locate and forcibly deport 11 million people together with their children the vast majority of whom are citizens.
Never gonna happen there Princess.
First as has been explained repeatedly, the vast majority of “they” are not committing a felony by crossing the border undocumented or staying in America after they’ve done so.
And as far as what “we’re” going to do, you should click your magic ruby red slippers together another three times and keep trying to convince yourself “you” have any power to do anything about it.
I’ll make you a $5,000 bet. Not only will 11 + million people never be deported from America, that’s reality, eventually as a function of bi-partisan support there will in the very near future (10 years of less) legislation that gives every undocumented alien from south of our border a viable path to citizenship (should they choose it) or permanent resident status, because that’s the only “reality” that is viable. Sorry you don’t like it but that’s reality and there is nothing “you” will be able to do about it.
So fun that you have to resort to name calling when your fantasy is threatened.
Where should I start?
Hmm… well for starters, I have a doctorate in the law, so, I’ll rely on my own knowledge of the law, thanks.
But maybe we should talk about the children of illegal immigrants, they will either have their citizenship stripped, as a federal appeals court has already suggested, or their parents can choose to have them remain in the US with legal family or enter into the foster care system, or they can return to Mexico or the other Central or South American countries from which they came, relinquishing their citizenship in exchange for releasing their parents from incarceration for their multiple felonies. If you think that is heartless, I agree, those parents should also be charged with child endangerment, as they are the ones responsible for all of their illegal actions which has produced this unfortunate situation.
The cost of rounding up 11 million people (I’ll use your figure). Very simple, provide very stiff penalties to any employer, lender, land owner, bank, school, anyone who provides services or receives a benefit from illegals and you’ll fill your database with names and addresses within a few months. From there, you start deporting all of the people with felony convictions, of which there are many, and just work down the list from there. It might cost a billion, but that is literally pocket change. Further, I know many, many people that would be happy to be deputized to round up and remove these felons from our society. And on top of that, as part of the deportation scheme, any illegal that voluntarily leaves the country will have access to a guest worker program which will allow them to return for a term of years, but if they are forcibly removed, they will be forever bared entry into the US, and if caught within the US will face significant terms of forced hard labor before redeportation. Millions of illegals would leave within months, unemployment, especially among millennials (now running at 40%) would shrink drastically. Problem solved. Humanely, cheaply, and effortlessly.
What you don’t understand is that we, as a country, have had enough. It is not going to be status quo any more. Things are going to change, and because truth and justice are on our side, we will prevail.
That won’t work. The US agricultural industry alone would be devastated if employers of undocumented immigrants come under significant pressure. Removing convicted felons also seems misguided. You set them lose, and then how do you know they won’t come back?
More forceful tactics will meet significant push-back in the legal system and otherwise. It didn’t work for Hitler. It hopefully won’t work for you guys.
Pretty close to it… I’ve tried to reach out to these SJW’s and let them know what is coming, and inform them that they were used to create what is coming, but they are young and dumb… what can you do? I tried to help them. They’re about to be very surprised.
You and your pathetic gun toting white “real Americans” are a dying minority as a function of American demographics. You better get on with your “revolution/preservation” (i.e. “murderous ways”) of defeating the inevitable.
Pretty hard to run your violent little “saving America” from the people of color while you’re in a wheel chair drooling while watching Faux News from your nursing home, where the vast majority of the people caring for you will be women and specifically women of color. I’m sure they’ll gladly keep your bullets from you so you don’t hurt yourself.
“White America” is just about dead as a demographic matter. And once it is this nation will be a better and stronger place without you backward revanchist clowns in charge.
You are as racist and vile as those you make the same claims towards.
@ BS
Do you even know what “racism” is by definition? I don’t think you are “lesser” because you are white, I think you are lesser because you’re a vile racist moron who can’t even comprehend what “racism” really is or isn’t.
A few simple facts for your simple way of thinking:
1. The political leadership of this country has NEVER represented me or my interests.
2. My wife and daughter are people of color, and on behalf of them I’d like to say screw you, you racist pig.
3. Why are people of color dying trying to get into this country, why don’t they remain in countries of color? Because those countries are shit-holes, that is why, many of which can’t even deliver drinking water to their population. Those countries are overrun with corruption, abuse, cronyism, nepotism, where self sacrifice, investment, education are scorned, where no moral code requires selfless, community serving action. Those colored countries are a disaster and always have been a disaster, and as colored people within the US continue to be elevated to positions of authority based solely upon the color of their skin rather than the content of their character, you will see this country collapse.
Did I speak too much truth to you? Do you need to go back to your safe place now, did that big bad white guy say too much truth to you? How dare he? Shshsh… there you go, you’re in your safe space now, there won’t be any more truth here, don’t you worry.
@ ErikRakkim
The only “truth” you’ve uttered is that the level of cognitive dissonance and ignorance about the world is almost as dangerous as Donald Trump’s demagoguery on the subject of race and immigration.
That you could type and above, and then type the following means you really aren’t very smart or self-aware.
So which is it, when your wife and daughter and “those” people of color are elevated to positions of authority in America (based apparently in your fantasy world on the color of their skin rather than merit) will they be the cause of the collapse of this country? Or is it that your wife and daughter will never be in positions of authority? Because you can’t make generalized statements about “colored people” only getting ahead base on color of their skin (or “colored countries”) and simultaneously claim your wife and daughter or not subject to your generalizations? In which case you’re going to have to admit your generalizations about “colored people” in America obviously don’t apply to “all people of color” in which case your generalization is false by definition. Do you understand that simple concept of logic?
And I don’t need a “safe place” from people like you because I’m not a moronic coward like you.
My wife and daughter are people of color but they are not black. The history, genetics, statistics and science of black people and their nations is starkly different than other people of color.
But beyond that, my wife’s father implored me to never step foot in their country of origin, and I will take him at his word. He knew what was what, he knew what he was doing in coming here, and I’ll respect that.
And it is no fantasy that people are promoted in this country based solely upon their blackness. We’ve had 40 years of preferential treatment of black people in higher education. That is 40 years white parents have had to tell their white children that based upon the whiteness of their skin they can’t attend the school of their choice. That also teaches us that blacks in higher education are there only because of their skin color. Perhaps some blacks are there because of their abilities, but that is not the case, generally speaking.
Then, when these black students, who actually graduate, enter the workplace, their woeful inadequacy is apparent. Now in the corporate environment, allowances are made for their deficient performance based upon their skin color, we all know this, but generally speaking, in the wider workplace, their deficiency leads to marginalization which invariably is then blamed on institutional racism, which is another way of saying for the first time in these privileged darling’s lives, they’re held accountable for their actions.
Barak Obama is the shining example of promotion solely based on race, and the nation now has seen the disastrous effects of promotion based upon race. We all learned a national lesson on that one, and we will now work to correct this system of discrimination. You should join us in dismantling affirmative action (another euphemism you nation destroyers coined) so that people are evaluated based upon the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, so that when a black person does make it to an institution of higher learning we can all be assured that they made it there based upon their actions and not their skin.
Let me address this with, you know, some actual truth. I don’t imagine that you include, say, Japan and its surroundings in your list of countries of color. The historical reasons are of interest. Japan never came under western colonial control — one of the very few places that escaped it. Lo and behold, it was the first non-western country to industrialize independently. Coincidence?
To this day, you look at regions where there’s a lot of political violence and instability (e.g. Central America in the 80s or the Middle East today), they are always regions where empires meddle.
That’s just a historical reality. Let’s add to that the fact that net immigration into the US is on the decline, and the fact that there’s a lot of cultural colonialism around the world — meaning that a lot of people are propagandized into thinking they have a realistic shot at something called the “American dream.”
Yeah, yeah, we all know that blacks are always the misunderstood innocent victims, while at the same time we all need to be more tolerant of their predilection towards misbehavior and unlawful acts. They just don’t know no better…
BS. . . what does any of what you typed have to do w/Trump’s racist graph?
It is your mindset.
@ BS
No actually it is your mindset.
This is precisely the coded “bias” that is intrinsic to your worldview. Please prove with reliable scientific data that African Americans have a “predilection” toward “misbehavior and unlawful acts”. I’ll wait.
Well, here’s one – choke on it:
“In the context of Baltimore, this means not targeting impoverished people hustling for a better existence who may be involved in petty street crime.”
https://theintercept.com/2015/06/17/baltimore-police-idle-black-lives-perish/
Choke on what? The fact that police nationwide statistically target African Americans more than whites for “petty crime”? Ever heard of the inherently racist idea of “broken windows theory” of law enforcement? Which is precisely what Juan is arguing against in that statement?
http://cebcp.org/evidence-based-policing/what-works-in-policing/research-evidence-review/broken-windows-policing/
Here why don’t you educate yourself a bit at least on the theory and its weaknesses and lack of empirical support.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/
So according to most recent DOJ statistics, African Americans and Whites killed other blacks and whites, respectively, at about the same “rate” (approx. 85% of time) with Whites committing more violent crimes as an absolute number given their larger absolute demographic numbers.
But more importantly, as a function of “risk of white person being harmed by African American person” you are statistically less likely as a “white” person to be the object of violence by an African American person than you are a fellow white person. And equally important is that African Americans are arrested at a disproportionate rate to White folks (not to mention statistically more harshly treated by the American judicial system in terms of severity of sentencing for committing the same act–that’s just the facts that have been studied by the legal profession to the point it is beyond dispute).
So the important question is–why? I’ll tell you why–systemic bias in policing and the judicial system. Almost nobody in any position of authority or understanding in the fields of criminology and/or the state and federal judicial system even disputes this any more. There is so much data available that you should do your own research and try and learn something about the world around you. Or continue to act and believe like a moronic bigot. Makes no different to me.
Your overblown and bellicose deflection is wasted on the likes of me…
That was a rather remarkable comeback. Rrheard’s comment, complete with links and quotes, wasn’t “overblown” and it wasn’t a “deflection.” It was in direct rebuttal to you in your comments wherein you were carrying water on behalf of white supremacy, which not only showed the ignorance that rrheard addressed, but also showed your “overblown” self absurdness of your ignorance with bland phrases such as, “choke on this.”
You did use one cliche, though, which was properly applied to you: “is wasted on the likes of me.”
So true.
Well, will 50 years of crime statistics from the US showing a grossly disproportionate amount of violent crime, including murder, by the black population?
Will thousands of years of history cover it, where white countries flourished, building advanced civilizations, with progress in morality, technology, agriculture, while in colored countries mud walls and a thatched roof was a MAJOR leap in technology, and remains the cutting edge of architecture?
Will genetic studies that show three times the rate of the euphemistically named “warrior gene” in colored people that inhibits self control and reasoned action?
Will global IQ tests that show serious deficiencies in black IQ, even controlled against populations of SE Asia with the same levels of education, medical care, and agrarian lifestyle?
Would anecdotal evidence from teachers that have spent their lives in Africa attempting to teach black children who confirm, against their prior preconceptions, that black children generally have a significantly difficult time grasping fundamental arithmetic and future focused thinking?
What would be enough for you to see the truth of the situation so that you could stop blaming phantoms for our problems and actually address the reality of the problem?
I’ll answer for you because I’ve had this conversation hundreds of times already, nothing will lead you to address the truth, no amount of science, statistics, history, personal observation, nothing. I didn’t always understand this, but now I do, I know who the father of lies is, and I understand the impact he has on his children.
Prove it with links. This sort of bullshit is precisely why I’m going to show you zero respect. Ever. Because you’re a moron if you believe you can support the above assertion with reliable scientific data. I’ll wait.
Again, prove it with links, I’ll wait.
Did you know I have “anecdotal evidence” (which isn’t really “evidence” at all in the scientific or legal arenas) that you’re a moronic bigot that is likely projection of all your educational achievement inadequacies and cognitive shortcomings onto others based on nothing more that your sheer stupidity and misunderstanding of what constitutes valid science or reasoning and what constitutes bullshit? And you know what that “anecdotal evidence” amounts to in the real world–absolutely nothing. But hey it feeds your superior racist fantasies so I guess it serves some function however malign.
The reason the “mainstream” media won’t confront Trump on his racism is that they are part of it. Malcolm X talked about how if you believe the big business press they’ll have you believe your enemies are your friends and your friends are your enemies.
Malcolm X is right. And you’re right for pointing that out. Shaun King posted a video yesterday about it.
The MSM are Zionists,the original racists.
Trump is very hyperbolic,does say stupid things,but he is still better than every other clown running,he wants to work with Russia about terror,and his anti Syrian immigrant rhetoric is, while obviously xenophobic,truthful as to the danger of immigrants from war torn(By US)nations,borne out by Hasan,the Tsarnaevs and the 9-11 hijackers.
When he calls to deport all the Zionist dual citizens,I’ll be on board his campaign bus,but of course that won’t happen until the revolution,and I don’t know if he’s capable of leading it.
Yankee come home!
That’s dangerously misguided, as he’s the candidate best positioned to bring about fascism.
I don’t think that’s an entirely true statement. Frankly, they are all positioned to bring in fascism or some sort of oppression. It is all theatre, WWF in front of the public, but they all work towards the same goal behind the scene. Every single President has just carried through the same agenda of the previous President. They promise one thing during campaign season and do something completely different when they get into office. It doesn’t matter whether they are republic or democrat, that’s just a team sport to help divide and conquer. Whether it’s Bush senior, Clinton, Bush junior or Obama. They are almost all corrupt. We have a corporatocracy. And this artificially pushed agenda from mainstream media on racism is just another form of divide and conquer. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but it’s funny how main stream media picks and chooses certain racist stories over others. Racism is wrong no matter what color you are whether it’s white, black, yellow or brown. Whether it is KKK or the Black Panthers. Racism should be equally condemned at all levels.