The headlines about Donald Trump hitting new highs in national polls are tremendously deceptive, as they only measure his support among self-declared Republican primary voters, a small subset of the nation as a whole.
For example, in the recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, Trump was the first choice of 27 percent of the Republican voters who responded. Given the weighted samples in this poll (38 percent identify as Republican or leaning Republican) this translates into Trump capturing the support of about 11 percent of American voters in total.
In the same poll, 37 percent of Democratic voters supported Democratic contender Bernie Sanders. Given the weighted samples (43 percent identify as Democrat or leaning Democrat) that translates into roughly 16 percent of all American voters.
Additionally, in a recent Quinnipiac poll, Sanders beat Trump in a head-to-head matchup — by an even larger margin than Hillary Clinton did.
But in terms of coverage by the mainstream media, Trump is besting Sanders 23 to 1, by some estimates.
Some of this can be explained by the fact that Trump is the GOP frontrunner, and Sanders has consistently run second to Clinton. But it’s also partly because of what a spectacle Trump has made of himself — and because the media has consistently treated Sanders as a marginal candidate.
The Intercept searched Nexis’ database of transcripts for news shows on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC from the past 30 days, looking for mentions of Trump or Sanders in the headline or opening paragraph. Nexis doesn’t collect everything, so the results are not reliable for absolute measurements, but they do allow for comparisons. There were 20 hits for Sanders; 690 for Trump.
Here’s what the transcript of mentions of Sanders looks like. Scroll through yourself.
Here’s the transcript of mentions of Trump. Scroll through, but maybe grab a snack first if you want to read all of the coverage; it will take you a while.
We also did a Nexis search focused on two major newspaper websites: The New York Times and the Washington Post. We looked exclusively at headlines over the past month, finding 22 Sanders headlines in the Times and 64 in the Post. Trump, by comparison, had 145 headline mentions in the Times and 535 mentions in the Post.
Additionally, Google Trends provides some insight into this phenomenon. We did a search of news headlines for both Sanders and Trump over the past month. On an average day, the ratio of Trump-to-Sanders mentions was 29-to-3. On December 9, in the wake of Trump’s call to block Muslims from entering the U.S., the ration was 100-to-5.
Media executives view Trump’s outrageous antics as good for their bottom line. “Go Donald! Keep getting out there!” Les Moonves, the chief executive of CBS, cheered at a recent investor presentation.
Top photo: Bernie Sanders addresses the crowd at a campaign rally in Manassas, Virginia, on September 14, 2015.
War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength. I find it ironic that Orwell’s vision is the anthem of today’s conservative debates. Why would the media cover Bernie? Ask yourself this, if FDR were candidate of our era would they acknowledge him? I mean, his policies after all were socialist. ;)
Bernie who?
The Real News had an interesting discussion between Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader in regard to Bernie’s legitimacy as a truly progressive candidate:
Days of Revolt: The Death of Electoral Politics
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=74&jumival=15060
Eh, I wasn’t impressed with their arguments here. No hard feelings against either of them, or downplaying of the good things they’ve done.
I’m an independent voter and I don’t need Sanders to fall on his sword for me if he doesn’t get the nom: I can take my vote elsewhere all by myself, thanks for the thought Ralph.
Nor do I need for Sanders to be an idiot and follow Nader’s dumb advice for him: to threaten NOW to run as an independent. Let’s play that out, shall we? Try to think about what the D-for-life voter is going to do in response to such a threat by a candidate.
I’ve got other ideas in mind if Sanders isn’t the nom, but I don’t see any reason for Sanders to lead them. It’s kind of besides the point, isn’t it, if it’s going to be a VOTER’s revolt….
Like Chomsky, Hedges and Nader have their own unique perspectives. When I observed Bernie Sanders attempting to the potential political fallout from Hillary’s private Email accounts, it became apparent that he is merely an extension of the DMC machine itself. He is the controlled opposition – nothing more. It will be very interesting to see if he ends up with a cabinet post or ambassadorship if/when Hillary becomes president.
Sorry:
When I observed Bernie Sanders attempting to DEFRAY the potential political fallout…
Sanders doesn’t attract the attention that Trump gets because Sanders hasn’t designed his entire campaign around figuring out which minority he wants to use as a scapegoat this week. Actual solutions aren’t as interesting as a neofascist blowhard with a toupee.
Bernie is “getting the treatment”. If he thought he would get a fair shake from the MSM he hasn’t been paying much attention his decades in government. I say that again…decades in government…anyone notice what’s happened the last few decades? That inspires the question from me…”where WAS Bernie?” He still doesn’t say enough about the loss of freedoms and the nuances of the corporatist cabal…he still calls what this system is “capitalism”. That must be the most generic term possible for this crony system…and too conveniently so for me. We haven’t been anywhere near a “free market capitalist systems” for a century. That’s not even arguable. But yet freedom is never the answer…more government always is for Bernie, Hillary and the free shit army.
But Zaid…the MSM is ignoring hi, just like they finally did to Perot and Nadar and Ron Paul etc. etc. When they do discuss him it is usually with some sort of caveat like “un-electable” or “no chance of winning”…you know. And the Democratic Party will swallow it all up…and I’m not convinced Bernie isn’t fine with playing the foil.
Now what makes me curious is WHY they see to be abandoning their “tried and true” ignore, minimize, condescend and redirect strategy with regard to Trump. If he’s really “the outsider they hate” then why are they lavishes so much time to him? Did he plow through the “ignore you” step that quickly? It’s possible I guess. Has he figured out a way to, because of his celebrity, to beat that operation? Is it just…and this might make the most sense…that a person with his much wealth and celebrity is impervious because of the exact “identity politics” system the MSM has helped to create to diffuse continuity of agenda and make it appear that differences have always existed in the parties? I don’t know…but I’m curious…as another possible reason is, of course, that he’s their ringer. The PTB realized the more the MSM/establishment attacks someone now, the more credibility they actually get (I noticed this trend back in the Rand Paul Senate run in KY actually). And they are using it to get their trojan horse Trump in office.
Nothing would surprise me anymore really.
Let’s face it, Bernie Sanders job is to corral all the dissident Democrats under his banner and tell them all the thing they want to hear. Of course when he graciously looses at the convention, his followers will be told to support the winner: Hillery “Cankles” Clinton, the lesser of two evils. What other choice do they have. This has worked time and again. This is how oligarch elites hold on to power. We’re being suckered again folks!!
speak for yourself
Yep…the playbook isn’t at all new, creative or complicated. And the reason Zaid finds these results are because the MSM wants Hillary Clinton to win the nomination and then they will do whatever they can to make sure she wins the general election.
His story is only useful if he notes what the stories say. They aren’t saying great things about Donald Trump. I’m not sponsoring hi, but I have eyese and ears and hear their persuasive messaging masquerading as “news”…Trump + Bad. Hillary = Good (usually excuses for all the bad things she does, but you get the drift).
Those who claim Sanders is the same old thing on foreign policy can maybe find a new tune? Or that he should have not booted the emails thing, on the basis I suppose that this would be HRC’s one weak spot? Screw the emails. Here’s Sanders today, from an article at the Guardian:
” ‘Regime change without worrying about what happens the day after you get rid of the dictator does not make a lot of sense,” Sanders said.
‘I voted against the war in Iraq … Secretary Clinton voted for that war. She was proud to have been involved in regime change in Libya, with [Muammar] Gaddafi, without worrying, I think, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of Isis that we have seen in Libya.’ “
You heard it here first; the fix is in people.
Clinton is the next president, and myriad entities are working behind the scenes to make it happen. Trump is a brilliant DNC plant to divide the Republican vote, and Sanders is being marginalized as he does not serve the purpose. Sheer genius on the part of the puppet masters behind it all…
you are so cynical that you are naive
What GG offers isn’t at all complex…and would explain some other inconsistencies about the MSM/establishment treatment of Trump actually. They ignore who they don’t want. They aren’t ignoring Trump. There’s other possibilities…but what GG says…is one obvious one. I think you’re the naive one.
Really. I am naive for NOT taking seriously the assertion that Donald Trump was planted by the DNC?
Now Jack, sign off on that statement, or take back the “naive” call. Go on. If you do, maybe you could explain what evidence you or GG has for the claim. Also, why it makes a lick of sense. You can do it, you’re not a Inept Conspiracy Theorist of course, so I’m sure you’ll come up with a good story here.
And who, by the way, is the stunning GOP nominee that the DNC is trying to thwart with the Trump thing? Let’s hear some details, some motive. How far does it go back — did the DNC make Trump a famous guy in the first place? Were they behind his earlier shorter runs for president too?
Enquiring Minds want to know.
There is no greater crisis than losing the free press. What if we take merely 10% of what we spend on our continuous wars and give every press organization with a certain number of readers an “unconditional” grant to serve the citizens better? It would make the press and media organizations less beholden to shareholders allowing them to serve their one and only master – the truth.
As the article states, Trump is the front runner and Sanders is not. So Trump is probably going to make it to the next round and Sanders is not. That explains part of why the media focuses on Trump 23 X as much as Sanders.
The other part of the explanation for Trump getting 23 X as much coverage as Sanders is that Trump (like him or not) is entertaining to watch. The republican debates have become like an episode of The Apprentice. This may possibly be bad for politics and bad for our country’s future policies but it does make for entertaining television.
Watching Trump is like watching Scooby Doo…and a similar bunch of morons watch them and think that it’s entertainment.
I didn’t realize that when I moronically watch Scooby Doo, I am being watched while I watch by a bunch of other morons.
I’ll try to make higher quality entertainment while the show is on, wear clean underwear and stuff. Thanks for the tip. Wheels within wheels, world is so worried.
Trump is the front runner because he is always on the media. If Sanders was covered by the media the way Obama was, maybe he would also be front runner? His lack of coverage prevents regular people from knowing him. Since everybody knows Clinton, it definitely puts Sanders with less of an advantage.
It makes sense that the corporate media would focus on Trump
because
what Trump is saying is what both corporate arms
(democrats and republicans)
of the fake government are heading towards.
This assessment includes Mr. Sanders
because
he is actually sucking the strength OUT of any chances
for an opposition party to gain a foothold in the
corporatized fake USA.
WHEN Sanders will turn all of the energy of his supporters over
to whichever corporate democrat actually gets their nomination
is the only unknown variable at this time.
Sanders is also being pushed to the outside from within the
democrat machinery – even as he has pledged
to support those who are reducing his “candidacy.”
As for the republican candidates, Trump represents what
they all represent and, if he doesn’t get their nomination,
it will be because he has helped the others appear
as if they are more diplomatically thoughtful (when they aren’t).
The corporate media knows that Trump is consistent and
they know that Sanders is not saying what the democrat
machine is really going to do. Sanders is not representative of
the party to which he is devoted.
Both democrat and republican organizations are
servants of right-wing theology.
Trump is blatant about it and Sanders is not.
Sanders has a history of saying one thing and supporting another.
He focuses on domestic economics because he knows that his
history on foreign policy is full of examples of supporting
the right wing militarism through funding
which
cripples what he says he wants to do domestically.
The ONLY way Sanders would not be dismissed by the
democrat machine
and the media which reflects the democrat machine
is if he turned his supporters against that machine.
Sanders’ words are that snowball in Hell
as long as he is a democrat.
Excellent summary of the reality of the situation.
(Note that Bernie isn’t officially a Democrat, despite running for their nomination. Lawyers might say it’s a distinction without a difference.)
I’m a life long Democrat that voted for Obama in the past. I will vote for Sanders and volunteer for his campaign big time!
Might I ask what energy to form an opposition party is being sucked out, supposedly, by the Sanders campaign?
Because no kind of energy has come down the pike in quite a while, I think I would have noticed.
Please note, I said the
“chances for an opposition party.”
You do make an interesting and accurate point.
It is because of people who cling to the fake progressives
in the corporate owned democrat party that no opposition
party has emerged in the fake USA.
This is another typical decay of another
typical imperialistic machine through its affluent indifference.
People have been trained to fear the republicans and see
the democrats as a “pragmatic” alternative when
that very “pragmatism” is, in fact,
a lack of commitment to what they say they want.
There is however, a small minority of people
who are working sincerely
to challenge the corrupt machinery of
democrat/republican corporate complicity and THEY
could have benefited from the energy which is
being poured into the release valve of the Sanders campaign.
In any case, the Sanders campaign is not going
to reverse the decay because it is coming from inside
of the opposite of what it says it wants.
Delusions abound and I am no less a fool for thinking
it could be different
than are the fools who support any democrat or republican.
I think it’s more mundane than that: support for Ds or Rs for many Americans is as deep-seated (I use the term a bit ironically) as what football team they root for, what church they go to (or pointedly avoid going to), what tv shows they watch, maybe what music they listen to (that one is a bit more wildcard), and oh yeah whether they prefer their propaganda from Fox or MSNBC (although most Americans rather sensibly don’t really want to watch and listen to that kind of stuff except when they are agitated).
Two basic versions of the same culture, with the participants imagining they are hugely different from one another. There’s a reason why 3rd parties are basically there to grow and die rather than become permanent players on the scene: stability and the general lack of imagination that comes with it.
Weird how many Americans who could take crazy risks with their life and, you know, “shock people” and stuff, could not even imagine voting in a way that might let those terrible “other” people win.
OMG it couldn’t be more the opposite of what you say. I’m not trying to be antagonistic, Im just going to point out that you are wrong. The Democratic Party is the “elite’s” party. You don’t actually believe they have any interest int he sophomoric ramblings they spew do you? And that’s what you think is good anyway? Does anyone have any idea of how stuff gets made or the realities of human economic existence transpires? Incentives are real! There is no magic printing press that can produce wealth without any labor…forever! We have a printing press…right now…but it’s phony and it WON’T LAST FOREVER.
Now…that both parties are “right wing” (whatever that even means anymore) is the most laundered line of our times. Both parties are corporatists. You can’t deny that. It is the merger of the centralized state, the largest corporations and the largest unions…has it’s origins in the syndicalist movement out of the progressive era in Italy…and is arguably more “left” than “right”, but the distinctions are also somewhat meaningless as it is ore likely what it was even promoted as at the time; “radical centrism”…though it’s not “radical” anymore simply because it IS the system in power.
But you can’t have government the size and scope of which we have and has been built over the last 150 years and claim it is “right wing” if by “right wing” you mean “conservative”. These are just definitions. And you can’t claim to be “liberal” and be interested in progress and change and support either of these parties that want to do ore of the same and just brand it “change”. A “liberal” today must be of the “classical” type if any…as smaller government is the only way that change can occur and progress can develop. The giant corporations that exist don’t if the government doesn’t want the to. If they bribe government…they get to be part of the club…if they don’t they get “regulated” or “investigated” away. There are so many examples of this it’s silly to deny (Microsofts anti-trust trials for instance…how about the “too big to fails” and now the “too big to jails”, etc. etc. and the entire military and media/banking/ industrial complex).
And Sanders…in aknowledging that we haven’t been able to control the largest government in huan history from running amok on humanity over the last 50 years BUT insisting that a bigger government is needed and that he can design one HE can control now has got to have the most paradoxical campaign message in history. Though many Democrats compete with him I guess pandering the free shit army populists and corporations (Republicans want the same…many..not all…but they don’t campaign that way which is the only distinction I’m making here). When JP Morgan here’s they want to increase welfare…the CEOs here the sound of money coming in for more of their EBT card fees. That’s the kind of thing that IS corporatism folks. How do you not see this?
Salon is fascinated with Trump. Every day it’s Trump, Trump, Trump…
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
*Nevermind, the engine is locked-up, the transmission fell out years ago, can’t squeeze a small whiff side-ways through the catalytic converters … and the windows won’t roll down.
Why does the link to the Quinnipiac poll take you to Apple’s site?
It is Christmas time and some unfortunate ones do not possess an apple phone.
You can also purchase additional products the will make the 1%enters even richer.
You ask why, Apple says why not.
The Pogues Featuring Kirsty MacColl – Fairytale Of New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jbdgZidu8
It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, we won’t see another one
And then he sang a song
A rare old mountain dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you
As a black woman I will vote Bernie because he is genuine, he is honest, he has integrity and he is the only presidential candidate who has decades long consistency in taking a principled stand to confront, proclaim, and fight to address the issues that are most important to most of us Americans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-1zHemLrQ
And what does any of that have to do with you being ‘a black woman’?
Miss that little Black Lives Matter thing early in Sander’s campaign? According to Clintoon supporters, that means that Sanders doesn’t have Black support.
Sure Mr Sanders is a good person, a philanthropist.
But that does not make him eligible to become President. The President is supposed to do a lot of nasty stuff while pretending to be saintly – and that’s something Mr Sanders will not be able to do.
In fact, the Presidency will spoil a perfect gentleman, like it has done to Mr Obama.
Sadly, this is what years of lust for power over statesmanship in politics has come to. Vote against Sanders because he is not evil enough to do the nasty stuff americans want the president to do?
I weep for my country and pray that we will not be judged impartially for all we have done but only forgiven.
Oh gawd, don’t take anything General Hercules says seriously. Nothing to weep about.
This whole babyshit thing about the president has no power, at the mercy of the invisible overlords, boo hoo, and “has” to do terrible things — well this really germinated in the biggest way during the Obama years, didn’t it, as the lamest of excuses for 1) him not living up to his promises despite his supposedly really wanting to and, much more importantly, saving their own faces: 2) voters who ignored all the warning signs that he was a compromiser-type from the git go.
What I have said is the truth, and truth isn’t flippant. The President needs to be a lot cunning to deal with folks like Putin and Merkel, let alone such terrorists like Erdogan and Saudis who are forever pretending to be our best friends. Mr Sanders, nice as he is, is a misfit for the job. So is Dr Carson – although he is in the same profession as Jihadi John dealing with chopping off grey matter, but at a higher level.
Your comic book sounds so interesting.
As a black woman I will vote Bernie because he is genuine, he is honest, he has integrity and he is the only presidential candidate who has decades long consistency in taking a principled stand to confront, proclaim, and fight to address the issues that are most important to most of us Americans. See why I am on fire for Bernie; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-1zHemLrQ
Well of course the corporate media wants to censor the anti-corporate Sanders. What do you expect? This is what happens when monied interests are put into the position of being the main purveyors of news in a society.
Hi Jeff. I’m thrilled with your discovery that the world meets your expectations, and thanks for sharing that important news.
So he’s wrong? Tweet that from your limousine?
Jeff wasn’t wrong. Jeff was smug and boring. Jeff posted a version of the most cliched comment on the internet: the “why is this surprising/how is this news” comment one can find on absolutely any news thread anywhere on the internet about anything.
Jeff apparently expects the news to be a surprise party. Journalism sometimes involves proving things people already knew before. You know, because, proof.
You, Nete Peedham, are less impressive than Jeff.
Vic,
With your strong desire to insult me you totally missed the point. The point was that the story should have been about how corporate media censors anti-corporate stories, with the facts here uses as mere evidence, not the center of the story.
Its all a stacked deck.
What is the use in trying?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/democrats-punish-bernie-sanders-campaign-following-clinton-data-breach
Politics
DNC: Sanders campaign improperly accessed Clinton voter data
By Rosalind S. Helderman, Anne Gearan and John Wagner December 17 at 11:47 PM
[Excerpt]
DNC has told the Sanders campaign that it will not be allowed access to the data again until it provides an explanation as well as assurances that all Clinton data has been destroyed.
Having his campaign cut off from the national party’s voter data is a strategic setback for Sanders — and could be a devastating blow if it lasts. The episode also raises questions about the DNC’s ability to provide strategic resources to campaigns and state parties.
Weaver said the Sanders campaign never downloaded or printed any of the data, meaning it is no longer in possession of any proprietary information. He squarely blamed NGP VAN for the glitch — and blamed the DNC for hiring the company.
“Sadly, the DNC is relying on an incompetent vendor who on more than one occasion has dropped the firewall between the various Democratic candidates’ data,” he said.
(cont.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-sanders-campaign-improperly-accessed-clinton-voter-data/2015/12/17/a2e2e14e-a522-11e5-b53d-972e2751f433_story.html?wpisrc=al_alert-national
Thanks Jo.
Admire your input to this site.
Cheers jimmy.
Coincidence ???
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1 of THESE 271,527 votes is mine. Cheers & Season’s Greetings, jimmy! :-)
DEC. 17, 2015: With 271,527 votes cast — and all three presidential candidates campaigning directly for your vote — the results are in and they are extraordinary…
http://2016.democracyforamerica.com/results
I don’t vote and besides I’m Australian, but if I was forced to vote, (no one quote me or I have your guts for gatters), If I had to vote I would vote for Bernie.
He seems to be his own man. If you can live your life and be your own man that is enough to earn my respect.
I dont think he will be able to change the barbarity that is America but I think he will not make things worse.
Perhaps he can buy some time for reflection and more people can see reason.
But the whole of the election process is so utterly broken and democracy and American exceptionalism so over rated, I wonder what one man can do, even if he makes it to the White House.
Jimmy, good on yer blue … “I wonder what one man can do, …”
Waltzing Matilda
By Rolf Harris
Songwriters: KANE, JOHN FRANCIS / PATTERSON, / DP ???
https://www.bing.com/search?pc=AMAZ&form=AMAZWB&q=waltzing+matilda+lyrics
Ummm Rolf Harris is as far from me as can possibly be. I know you mean no disrespect but as a survivor of childhood satanic ritual sexual abuse I have no love for the man. Matthew 18:6
I know you wish to meet me on common ground and we have met.
I spent sometime, 7 years in the outback
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZqN1glz4JY
THE POGUES LYRICS
“And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda”
When I was a young man I carried my pack
And I lived the free life of a rover
From the Murrays green basin to the dusty outback
I waltzed my Matilda all over
Then in nineteen fifteen my country said Son
It’s time to stop rambling ’cause there’s work to be done
So they gave me a tin hat and they gave me a gun
And they sent me away to the war
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we sailed away from the quay
And amidst all the tears and the shouts and the cheers
We sailed off to Gallipoli
How well I remember that terrible day
How the blood stained the sand and the water
And how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter
Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well
He chased us with bullets, he rained us with shells
And in five minutes flat he’d blown us all to hell
Nearly blew us right back to Australia
But the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we stopped to bury our slain
We buried ours and the Turks buried theirs
Then we started all over again
Now those that were left, well we tried to survive
In a mad world of blood, death and fire
And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive
But around me the corpses piled higher
Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over tit
And when I woke up in my hospital bed
And saw what it had done, I wished I was dead
Never knew there were worse things than dying
For no more I’ll go waltzing Matilda
All around the green bush far and near
For to hump tent and pegs, a man needs two legs
No more waltzing Matilda for me
So they collected the cripples, the wounded, the maimed
And they shipped us back home to Australia
The armless, the legless, the blind, the insane
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And as our ship pulled into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where my legs used to be
And thank Christ there was nobody waiting for me
To grieve and to mourn and to pity
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As they carried us down the gangway
But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared
Then turned all their faces away
And now every April I sit on my porch
And I watch the parade pass before me
And I watch my old comrades, how proudly they march
Reliving old dreams of past glory
And the old men march slowly, all bent, stiff and sore
The forgotten heroes from a forgotten war
And the young people ask, “What are they marching for?”
And I ask myself the same question
And the band plays Waltzing Matilda
And the old men answer to the call
But year after year their numbers get fewer
Some day no one will march there at all
Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who’ll go a waltzing Matilda with me
And their ghosts may be heard as you pass the Billabong
Who’ll go a waltzing Matilda with me?
Waltzing Matilda
By Rolf Harris
Spoken
( Waltzing Matilda is a song about an Australian Hobo
I guess you’d call him. He wanders through the bush
land of Australia and he takes all his meagre belongings
wrapped up in an old blanket which is strung across his
shoulders with an old piece of twine and this is called his swag. Hence the name swagman. Now affectionately or otherwise he refers to his swag as Matilda, its like his only companion as he wanders through the bush tracks he finds himself talking to it as if its a real person. So the term Waltzing Matilda is nothing to do with dancing at all, it means in fact carrying this thing on your back through the long lonely stretches of the Australian bush. Couple of other terms quickly, pay attention because I will be asking questions afterwards about this, couple of other terms. A billabong is a pool of deep water, a billy is a little tin can they boil the tea in, a jumbuck is a sheep, err tucker bag is a bag forcarrying tucker, food bag tucker is food sort of like a knapsack. What else the squatter is the big land owner,that’s enough lets get on with the song.)
Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong
Under the shade of a Coolibah tree
And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
You’ll come a waltzing Matilda with me
Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
Then down came a jumbuck to drink at that billabong
Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee
And he sang as he shoved that jumbuck in his tucker bag
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
And he sang as he shoved that jumbuck in his tucker bag
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
Then down came the squatter mounted on his thoroughbred
Down came the troopers one two three
Right-o where’s that jolly jumbuck that you’ve got in your tucker bag?
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
Right-o where’s that jolly jumbuck that you’ve got in your tucker bag?
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
So up jumped the swagman and he sprang into that billabong
You’ll never take me alive said he
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
You’ll come a-waltz ….
Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong
You’ll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
Songwriters: KANE, JOHN FRANCIS / PATTERSON, / DP,
© Universal Music Publishing Group, BMG RIGHTS MANAGEMENT US, LLC
For non-commercial use only.
Data from: LyricFind
You’ve twice mentioned Rolf Harris, a disgraced paedophile, in connection to a song that predated him, and after you were told what the problem was. It is you who should pay more attention when posting.
Ironically Jimmy then went on to credit the Pogues for “And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda”, in fact it’s an Eric Bogle song. He was a Scot who moved to Australia and wrote that as a riposte to Australian militarism/nationalism. Bogle also wrote a song called ‘No Man’s Land’ (aka ‘The Green Fields of France’ before someone credits it to the Fureys).
Oh how do you do, young Willy McBride
Do you mind if I sit here down by your graveside
And rest for a while in the warm summer sun
I’ve been walking all day, and I’m nearly done
And I see by your gravestone you were only nineteen
When you joined the great fallen in 1916
Well I hope you died quick
And I hope you died clean
Or Willy McBride, was is it slow and obscene
Did they beat the drums slowly
Did they play the fife lowly
Did they sound the death march as they lowered you down
Did the band play the last post and chorus
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest
Danny oh boy … do you imagine I have an up-to-date list of “disgraced paedophiles” in my head (*brain)? How’s about the Aussie group: The Seekers? Do they meet muster? Get a life! OUT THE WORLD RENOWNED NWO WAR CRIMINALS!
The Seekers – Waltzing Matilda & Advance Australia Fair (1994)
Roy Gardnerra
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCyXcKTPSZQ
Trump was asked recently if he would run as an independent if he doesn’t get the Republican nomination. He said he won’t. I hope he reconsiders and I hope Sanders considers the same, not because I like either of them, but because I’d like to see non-Republican and non-Democratic candidates suck votes away from the mainstream. Trump and Sanders might be able to do that.
I see many criticisms of the mainstream media (MSM) in these comments. Thinking people read outside of the MSM.
We need to recognize that MSP (Mainstream Politics) is the bigger problem though, and thinking people should vote outside of the MSP.
They have messed us up. This is the election where we mess them up. Vote third party/independent.
Neo-cons, ex-Israeli diplomats push Islamophobic video
Ali Gharib and Eli Clifton
The Electronic Intifada
24 September 2008
WASHINGTON (IPS) – A group of hard-line United States neo-conservatives and former Israeli diplomats, among others, are behind the mass distribution, ahead of the November US presidential election, of a controversial DVD that critics have denounced as Islamophobic.
The group, the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), is working with another organization called the Clarion Fund, which produced the 60-minute video and is itself tied closely to an Israeli organization called Aish Hatorah.
The Fund is currently distributing some 28 million copies of the DVD through newspaper inserts in key electoral “swing” states — states like Michigan, Ohio, and Florida that, according to recent polling, could go either way in November’s presidential election.
According to Delaware incorporation papers, the Clarion Fund is based at the same New York address as Aish Hatorah, a self-described “apolitical” group dedicated to educating Jews about their heritage.
The Clarion Fund’s street address as listed on the group’s website and a DVD mailer for the film is apparently not a physical address, but rather a “virtual address” that goes to a post office box in New York City.
Critics allege that the movie Obsession is “hate propaganda” which paints Muslims as violent extremists and, among other things, explicitly compares the threat posed by radical Islam to that of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
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My comment: Really? … hmm
https://electronicintifada.net/content/neo-cons-ex-israeli-diplomats-push-islamophobic-video/7731
Clarion Project – Wikipedia
(Redirected from Clarion Fund)
[Excerpt]
Funders include Donors Capital Fund, a nonprofit donor-advised fund, which gave the organization a donation of $17.7 million in 2008,[8][9] and casino owner Sheldon Adelson.[9][10]
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarion_Fund#Organization_and_funding
Center for American Progress
Fear, Inc.
The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America
By Wajahat Ali, Eli Clifton, Matthew Duss, Lee Fang, Scott Keyes, Faiz Shakir | Friday, August 26, 2011
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/report/2011/08/26/10165/fear-inc/
Republican donor Adelson says met ‘charming’ candidate Trump, discussed Israel
Fri Dec 18, 2015 | 5:46 AM EST
By Farah Master
MACAU (Reuters) – U.S. billionaire and major Republican Party donor Sheldon Adelson said on Friday he met presidential candidate Donald Trump earlier this week, describing the current front runner in the race for the Republican nomination as “very charming.”
“It was very nice,” the gambling tycoon told Reuters when asked if he had met Trump, the current front runner in polls of Republican voters, earlier in the week. “He was very charming,” Adelson said in an interview in Macau, saying the pair had discussed Israel during their talk.
The 82-year-old Chief Executive of Las Vegas Sands Corp (LVS.N), the world’s biggest gambling company by market value, made his comments a few days after hosting the latest debate among Republican Party presidential candidates at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas, where he is based.
Courted by most of the Republican candidates and widely expected to be the party’s top donor in the 2016 presidential election, Adelson said earlier on Friday during a news conference that he may wait until next February’s primaries to decide who to back. He described the field of Republican candidates as “all very good”.
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0U10TA20151218?il=0
It never ceases to amaze me how billionaire tycoon-types seem to admire each other; hold themselves in high regard and speak of each other as if they are the “cat’s meow”.
The relentless, histrionic gun-violence alarmists; and health care insurance mandate cheerleaders; and tireless immigration-reform crusaders; and reliable LGBQT Equality champions; and humanist voices against income inequality; and soft, emotional opinion makers on Nevada’s public lands…
…have made a ringing endorsement of HRC and her progressive leftist bonafides. You may be embarrassed to see yourselves in its mirror, but admit it leftists: she’s one of yours.
And this is you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N708P-A45D0
You have earned your spirit name, Paints With Broad Brush.
“Paints With Broad Brush” … Lol! Methinks he assumes too much.
I love this comment section. Insomniacs need love too. Always can’t wait for the name calling and slandering of other people’s comments. Then I know that everything is right in my world. Saw an old episode of “the big bang theory” from 2014 tonight. The boys have come up with a theory and post it. All the comments are good on the internet except one. After many back and forth on the site, Sheldon decides to call the negative commenter to task. He turns out to be Stephen Hawkings who really actual likes their theory. They ask why he said he was negative in his comments and Hawkings says after lying on his back for 40 years he was just trying to have some fun.
Maybe we need to lighten up.
Have you ever seen a bigger sea of white? Bernie is the candidate of bigotry and intolerance.
Lol, you have no clue who you’re talking about.
If there is any Bernie Campaign people reading this:
Please Call Jesse Ventura and ask him to join the Bernie 2016 campaign immediately
The media wont be able to leave Bernie alone after that.
Sanders/Ventura 2016
Jesse Ventura and Cynthia McKinney are both spoken for by Messrs. Trump and Cruz.
It seems to me that Bernie blew a lot of his credibility when he refused to go after Hillary about the emails and cowered to “Black Lives Matters” in Seattle. He looked and acted weak in my opinion.
Mr Trump is the right man. Even Mr Putin likes him.
One thing is certain, if Mr Trump wins then the huge influence that the Saudis have on our economy will collapse. That’s not because Saudis are Muslims, but because they are his business competitors, besides them being Jews also – google and you will find.
Number one, this shows more bullshit, Trump has way more popularity, and if all hell breaks loose on Americans, I bet bernie and all his supporters, along with sleeping lying hillarious run for Trump’s corner for saving. Trump will smash Hillary, which Bernie can not make it. Trump smashed lying republicans, the media, and just as they did not believe it, sorry Trump for President. Democrat here, too long, too many lies from media, Hillary, Obama, Republicans, and Democrat leaders. Takes years to win back trust. Money controls all of them, example $40,000,000 from Saudi’s to Hillary, Buffet tax law means all businesses pay more taxes but not the rich like Buffet, because he is an investor, bullshit!!! Buffet owns lots of railroad stocks and pipelines do not get built, hmmmm Trump get things done for real, he has spent $211,000 so far compare that to anyone else…. Remember also, Trump is no republican, and he says things provocatively, so people can fix it…. no one is fixing anything, cant talk too much PC….. Trump will win 2016
are you a wage slave or a 1% like Donald? he pays a firm to block out union representation at he’s places, and you want the likes of him as you’re president. you are ignorant and dumb………
He’s an attention whore who is fear mongering for it. Why would trump care about fixing anything? The “problems” benefit him and people of his ilk. At least Bernie has no big money donors, and talks about getting the money out of politics and move toward demand side economics. Does he stand a chance to actually change anything? Kinda doubt it. Trump however is a fascist. His speeches get crazier and crazier. If that guy wins we’ll be a third world nation in 4 years. we’re already headed that way.
It just shows how SCARED POOPLESS the MSM is of Bernie’s TRUTH and DECENCY. He may not be a PERFECT human being, but since there’s no DIRTY LAUNDRY to talk about, they are lying low so he doesn’t call them out on their bullshit (which he has done on SEVERAL occasions!). All these Shkreli-esque Republicans are just rabble rousing for attention regardless of the consequences, but ask Bernie to join the fray when he is on a mission about poverty? “Sure, I’ll comment about that AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. Right now I am HERE FOR THESE PEOPLE.” (I paraphrase, but this is the gist of what he does. Ignore the CRAP and discuss the ISSUES THAT REALLY MATTER!) We could not ask for a more decent, upstanding, caring, honest person in the Presidency.
How fantastic, that while criticizing the rest of the media, The Intercept has boldly covered the Bernie Sanders phenomenon…. like twice.
Crossed my mind as well, but didn’t want to have to sift through this mess of a website for examples.
Bernie’s blueshirts can’t advance the struggle Forward without their progressive leftist secret police, and its surveillance and enforcement muscle.
We’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out, undercouch
Bernie is so popular because hes pandering to the ignorant gimme generation and illegal immigrants who want everything for free.
Problem is the socialist bastard has no way to pay for his so called freebies….
Sadly The ignorant masses arent smart enough to understand this so they continue to support the fool.
Which is the greater fool? The fool, or the fool who follows?
You’re an ignorant fool. Bernie is popular because he is an anti-establishment candidate. Hillary, Rubio, Cruz, Bush, etc., are all the same shit. They do the bidding of special interest groups.
People need to stop voting for establishment candidates if they truly want positive change.
Cruz is the only right winger in that clutch of names.
I’m guessing you truly believe that.
Tell us why you think any of the others in your list are.
In Ray’s list.
Lessee. Cruz votes against Big Corn, votes against NDAA,….
Someone must have told you not to like him, and you acted accordingly. Talk about mind control.
McCain, Romney, and their supporters tried that line against Obama.
I don’t know who you prefer, but I’ve seen many Hillary supporters using that false line against Bernie.
It makes you wonder about many things, but the lack of originality and the troubling similarity of thought jumps out at you.
you could always stop waging war on the rest of the world
… that might leave a few dollars to spend on your citizens
Indeed, Owen. And none of the candidates for the Democratic Party’s nomination really want to or intend to do that — emphatically including Bernie.
His alleged “antiwar” positioning is, as they used to say when I was young, as phony as a three-dollar bill. His record and even his position (and avoidance of subjects) during this campaign make that perfectly clear to anyone who investigates with an open and inquisitive mind.
Progressives are saying, “It wasn’t really us who gave you the Milner Roundtable test-tube president with the occulted past and two maternal-CIA connected grandparents and a Kissinger first job. Forget about that. Meet Bernie, ‘Democratic Socialist.'”
America’s going No f- thanks. They’re going Tea Party.
and because the media has consistently treated Sanders as a marginal candidate.
Dont be naiive. The Establishment seriously fear Sanders and deliberately ignore him in case he and his ideas gets serious traction in discussions. If he was to get nominated by the Dems then the gloves would really be off similar to the barrage of vitriol being waged against Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in the UK.
Trump 2016! We don’t need babies for bernie we already here them. Hillary should be facing charges and may very well be charged. Why vote for a party that is protecting her. Not very American to me. Trump 2016.
Bernie is a wacky, fringe candidate who would never be taken seriously. Of course the media is going to ignore the loon. His clown car supporters are throwing money down the drain.
Whacky? How so? Why do you think this?
clown car?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but the Repubs have cornered the market on that term.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
The media wants to force down our throats their people. Screw the media it’s all propaganda these days. Bernie is the man. Trump is a carnival barker.
Trump is on leftist dinosaur media only because it’s panic stricken, using the soap box in increasing desperate fits to discredit him. They’re going through all the Kübler-Ross phases combined with the Gandhi ones.
Bernie doesn’t need the mass media to promote his candidacy. He got the People out knocking on doors and manning phone banks every day of the week, and all are fully committed. Unless the election is stolen by voting machine manipulation, he’s got it nailed and will occupy the White House beginning on January 20th , 2017!
What’s also important about the media coverage of Bernie is the fact that the media does in fact write articles on Bernie (good luck finding a Reuters article on Bernie though) but even the outlets that do write Bernie stories tend to not pin them or promote them on their actual Politics and other News pages, so unless you’re ACTIVELY searching for Bernie the odds are you won’t find the stories on the news sites that even bother carrying Bernie news.
Is anyone surprised? Remember Ralph Nader, a very well known figure who has saved, literally millions of lives by starting the forcing of Auto manufacturers to build safer vehicles couldn’t get on the stage. Jill Stein who actually walked picket lines and even went to jail was virtually unknown and the media made sure it stayed that way. Bernie Sanders who is more in the American main stream than either of these two has got much more publicity than I would have ever have believed anyone who was not a political accomplice of the elites and corporations ever would have. I had hoped for one thing from Barak Obama and the Democratic majorities in the Congress and Senate; that being the “Employee Free Choice Act”; no serious effort was made and American Corporate Unions were only allowed as a better alternative to blood in the streets and possible Real Socialism and are no threat to the power system. Political leaders have been tools of the elites through all human history although some are worse/better than others; strong trade Unions are the best solution for the workers; not politicians likely to be elected.
I taped and watched the Republican debates and if I was an American; I would have been ashamed, embarrassed or worse; the only one to show any intellectual or reflective thoughts was Ron Paul. Donald Trump has berated Dubya in the past as a hopeless fool and this true statement should be on billboards across the USA “We have spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, … if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges and all of the other problems, our airports and all of the other problems we have, we would have been a lot better off — I can tell you that right now,” Trump said. “We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we’ve done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away, and for what? It’s not like we had victory. It’s a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess.”
– Donald Trump
I forgot who said they would punch Vladimir Putin in the nose and the other ridiculous comments re VP. Carly Fiorina was so aggressive she could have been a spokesperson for a professional wrestler ; in fact, the conversation was on the level of rubbish spouted by professional wrestlers to attract more paying customers. These guys are speaking to their electorate and that is truly scary. They are coming around to the Trump point of view because it sells and some are out Trumping trump, talking openly about targeting women and children on national TV. 30,000 fighters in Toyota Trucks with RPGs and Kalashnikovs and these guys wanna increase the 3/4 Trillion the USA already spends on guns because, well, because the electorate are fools, fearful fools. Land of the brave, that should go down as the biggest joke in history. Trump in public is a climate change denier which is an existential crisis and terrorism is a nuisance to be managed by the Police; I worry more about lightening but then again, I am a little bit rational.
God (figure of speech) help the world if Trump or anyone I saw on stage or Clinton are the next POTUS!
If you think Bernie Sanders has had a lack of coverage, he’s got nothing on Jill Stein, the Green Party’s likely presidential candidate. She was the only presidential candidate to attend in person the COP21 conference. Yet complete silence from the news media.
“Trump has made a spectacle of himself.” That nails it. Is there anything the msm loves more than spectacle? The last thing they want is a candidate who requires them to do any thinking. Have you noticed how knowledgeable the media stars are in American history, government, and politics? Since they are spokespersons for the status quo, when Sanders says there’s something wrong with the system, they take it that he’s saying there’s something wrong with them.
“Likely presidential candidate”
So she hasn’t even declared her candidacy?
Guessing he meant nominee since as far as I am aware Jill Stein has no “primary” competition in the Green Party. This is why a few Green Party people I know will at the very least vote for Bernie in the primaries but may decide to still vote for Jill Stein in the General.
Disturbing; the process has always been out of my control. I’ve seen the best candidate lose in more than one country I have resided in – for decades.
I would quibble that, at this juncture, the republicans are in a spotlight.
But, even that is a pretty weak counter argument for why Bernie Sanders is dismissed in media, with numbers proven higher than Trump. And how high would Bernie Sander numbers be if the media did cover his desirable points?
One ventures the powers out there reckon Hillary Clinton, with the party behind her, and who-knows-who influence peddlers, already have called the nomination a wrap. fuck.
WaaaaAAAaaaaAAaaaaahhhh Bernie Sanders is ignored by the media. Since when was Bernie running against Trump for the Dem nomination?!
Tell Bernie Sanders to grow a pair of baIIs, so he can TAKE ON that lying, Wall Street puppet Hillary Clinton.
The media has already elected Hillary. Only Bernie can pave his own way to the Dem nom and he has to attack Hillary. Holding hands and playing Kumbaya around the fire doesn’t work.
Do a search on Bernie vs. Hillary.
The same big banks and big corporations that have contributed so heavily to Hillary share board members with the 6 major corporations that control 95% of the news media.
They refuse to cover Bernie.
You can be that the few times Bernie Sanders has been mentioned he has been referred to as a socialist. Not a Democratic socialist. He is probably the most honest and open person running for president and I will vote for him.
It’s good to have a second choice in case Hillary does manage to win the Dem nomination. Jill Stein’s at least as honest and open as Bernie Sanders is.
Thank you, Kathy – me too :)
Pure comedy.
Instead of doing serious story about Bernie Sanders and policy, we get a story that is still about Trump.
It’s like a critical story about news outlets that show girls in bikinis used as an excuse to show girls in bikinis on the news.
This story answers its own question. You are your own worse enemy.
The New York Times in particular has been reprehensible.
Care to elaborate?
NYT.com is one of my daily news stops and I don’t see a lot of Trump material other than him being excoriated such as by the editorial board (example: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/24/opinion/mr-trumps-applause-lies.html). I just checked their site and the only reference to Trump is about Putin’s endorsement, way down the page, which is newsworthy as it shows the type of people that value Trump.
CNN.com on the other hand has been awful. Go to their site now and you have “Expert decodes Trump’s smirks” and “Kimmell writes Trump kid’s book.”
The websites that are worst are the ones that gloss over his lies and incendiary bullshit to focus on irrelevancies such as his smirks. This is a guy whose comments, according to Politifact, are false to some degree a stunning 76% of the time. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
New York Times has effectively declared Hillary the winner of the primary and has for all practical purposes imposed a deliberate blackout on the Sanders candidacy. Given that Queen Hillary is the most militaristic, war-embracing, pro-corporate-power, pro-surveillance, anti-civil-liberties, pro-oligarch, pro-wealth-inequality the Democrats have run since at least the Vietnam era, if not earlier, any newspaper like the Times that strikes a liberal pose and then blacks out the candidate who actually represents liberals is reprehensible, unforgivably so.
Saying that the NYT has not provided adequate coverage is a legit argument, even their ombudsperson concluded as such: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/has-the-times-dismissed-bernie-sanders/?_r=0
However, this part:
Not a Hillary supporter or critic, but am familiar enough with her track record to find this comment so sweeping and subjective as to be rendered unverifiable and therefore meaningless. How would you go about comparing Hillary to past Dem candidates across such broad and subjective categories!? Especially when in the past, civil liberties or income inequality wasn’t the issue it has become today. Furthermore, is she being compared to actual Democratic Presidents? If so, that would be an apples-oranges comparison as campaign rhetoric is naturally more idealistic and simplistic. Does anybody even track campaign rhetoric in a systematic manner that would allow this!?
If not, your statement is utterly unconvincing.
One of my über conservative co-workers said something similarly unverifiable, but on the opposite end of the spectrum: “Obama is the most divisive President in the history of the U.S.” After trying not to roll my eyes, I asked if he’d be kind enough to point me to the dataset(s) and/or narrative (along with the sources) that drove such a conclusion. Stunningly it did not exist.
Hillary is a liberal. The fact that Hillary is a leftist liberal presents you with facts about your movement that you can’t face. It embarrasses you to look at yourselves, to see what others see. Her progressive-leftist authoritarianism, the hyper-State, Hillarycare, gun control, an abject disregard for boundaries–both personal and transnational–Big Government tax support for crony corporations gathered from the middle class at the muzzle of state firepower,….
So you futilely want to brush those progressive leftist cooties off onto bystanders who don’t share those views–who don’t want progressive authoritarianism or progressive Big Governments with the resources to allocate crony capital, but you can’t because that’s not what conservatives are–it’s what Hillary and her progressive leftists are.
NYT throwing in with Hill is a ringing endorsement of her leftism.
The NYT is like the little girl with the curl right in the middle of her forehead. When she was good she was very good, but when she was bad she was horrid ( as when they, the NYT, carry the asinine commentary of Thomas Friedman and David Brooks).
I like the analogy, won’t lie.
Not a Friedman fan myself and I know it is kind of fashionable to rip the guy. But my inner skeptic says “Didn’t this guy win some Pulitzers!? Is he really the bum that some paint him to be!?”
No comment on David Brooks as I don’t read him often.
It is because the MIC runs the MSM. Not being a pro-war, corporate mercenary candidate disqualifies one for higher office by the oligarchs who run our country. The only question they ask, is can they buy off or intimidate the candidate. Bernie’s answer is no, which is why they will never support him in a million years.
Yeah… some CEOs have a desire for cheap immigrant labor, others have a desire for customers with disposable income, but none of them have a desire for socialists.
And is all a socialist really is, is someone who doesn’t want every nickle Americans earns to go to a tiny group of oligarchs.
I can’t believe that so many unions have endorsed Clinton over Sanders. I have personally seen Bernie on picket lines with nurses, Verizon employees, UPS drivers, university employees… Has anyone ever seen Hillary Clinton on a picket line?
Unions have their own elites/leadership. It works a lot like party leadership.
You didn’t answer larry’s question Jose. Have you seen Sanders and/or Clinton on the picket lines?
Bernie Sanders frequently joins picket lines, several/month. Hillary, never. When the unions have endorsed Clinton, their members have protested.
“Has anyone ever seen Hillary Clinton on a picket line?”
Of course. It’s part of the long tradition of the Democratic Party to support organized labor — or, in the case of New Democrats like Hillary, to pretend to do so.
Here she is on a kinda-sorta picket line in front of a Trump hotel ;^) in Las Vegas, a couple of months ago.
My Q, exactly. Just today, he was on a picket line with airline employees protesting the lack of a contract. At least he didn’t have to make an effort to join them since he’s always at some airport or other (flying coach. :)
Media is plural. Header should say media “ignore” yadda yadda.
The singular form is “medium.”
Sorry, but in modern American English referring to the aggregate of news and entertainment distribution channels as ‘the media’ is common and acceptable.
Yup, Bernie is getting the Ron Paul treatment – ignored. Glad the progressives get to experience their favorite candidate being compromised so they can hold their noses when they go to the polls and vote for Hillary. Hillary was ordained as your next POTUS a long time ago whether you like it or not.
hmmph hmmph hmmph, some of us only hold our noses while we read your posts, stinky.
Take your shtick to Yahoo News, where your assessments of the opinions of the readers might have some statistical validity. Where the fuck do you think you are.
The lack of coverage is so remarkable that for a month I hadn’t realized Bernie Sanders won the TIME Person of the Year poll, by 2:1 over the nearest rival, Malala Yousafzai, and ahead of Pope Francis and Barack Obama.
I hadn’t heard of this, but it’s true …. indeed, they corrected the voters’ unfortunate bias by declaring Trump to be one of the finalists, before settling on hardnosed Angela Merkel for her relentless sodomization of the Greeks.
One is the next President of the United States and the other is a NUT.
TRUMP 2016!!!!
The increasingly irrelevant mass media moguls only report candidates who give them billions of corrupt dollars.
Big surprise: the Dinosaur Media are totally in the tank for Sec. Hillary Clinton because she is totally in the tank for Wall Street. Wall Street wants Senator Sanders to go away — fast.
Take a look at this report from CBS News Sunday Morning:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-makes-bernie-sanders-run/
Our checks and balances are more likely to fail on the right neo-fascist than left neo-socialist . Thus Trump is the bigger story.
When you’re in a room and their is a turd in one corner and a cake in the other, one tends to focus on the turd.
Haven’t heard that one yet! Thanks for the laugh! A tip of the hat.
O/T- but worthy of discussion
H/T Jason Linkins at HP about the GOP debate-
“We have spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, … if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges and all of the other problems, our airports and all of the other problems we have, we would have been a lot better off — I can tell you that right now,” Trump said. “We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we’ve done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away, and for what? It’s not like we had victory. It’s a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess.”
– Donald Trump
Obviously, Trump has ignored everything he said in that quote by proposing even greater military interventionism, so nobody who believes in non-interventionism should vote for the clown, but it is nice to see the “leading” Repub candidate speak what is an obvious truth… a position held by The Left and many libertarians, and one that rarely if ever gets mentioned by the neolibcon politicians or the corporate media.
It should also be noted that the $4 trillion figure is only what the US has spent, and doesn’t include what other nations have spent either participating or dealing with the consequences, nor the opportunity costs, infrastructure damage or the environmental damage we’ve caused.
Bernie Sanders hasn’t fully embraced non-interventionism, but he is considerably less hawkish than Hillary or any of the Repubs, and that would be a major step forward for America.
Bernie would do well to use Trump’s quote against both Trump and Hillary if anybody is in a position to make the suggestion.
Otherwise, spread the word.
Thanks
A
Feel the Bern. Trump is a joke. Even if Trump wins, he looses.
You eat too many paint chips. If Trumps a joke, Bernie’s a retard.
Reasons why Bernie is ignored:
(1) There is no liberal media
(2) He has serious policy proposals, and that never gets coverage
(3) He isn’t engaged in a circus fight with Hillary
(4) He hasn’t said or done anything ridiculous on the campaign trail
(5) There are no PACs willing to spend millions on pro-Bernie ads
(6) But mostly, there is no liberal media
Think that covers it.
No liberal media? Ever heard of Vox, huff post, salon, MSNBC, mic, etc.? Idiot. The liberal media has just already anointed Hilary their winner, so no point covering Bernie. You want Bernie to get attention, then get him to beat Hilary the felon.
The fact that you consider any of those “liberal media” is astonishing. And you have the nerve to call eddie-g an idiot. That’s some funny irony right there.
Firstly, this article is about TV coverage.
Secondly, I will grant you MSNBC is more liberal than the other channels. So let’s put them on the left-hand side of the scale for argument’s sake. How does that fundamentally change anything?
Thirdly, your argument is self-refuting. You say the liberal media has anointed a more centrist candidate over a more left-wing one. Why would an actual liberal media do that?
Yeah, Microsoft and Facebook make great liberal overlords. (They own at least three on that last – any more??) But only in the sense that they want cheap coders, so they talk a lot about nondiscrimination. Nerds from Pakistan deserve all the rights of Americans, and so American citizens should be subject to all the same restrictions as radical Islamists fresh from Pakistan, etc. And Zuckerberg is so liberal he wanting Xi Jinping to name his baby … you can’t get more liberal than that! Unless, that is, you’re actually a liberal.
I think Nos. 3-4 are the key points.
As for the “there is no liberal media,” that’s plainly false when taken literally, but from a practical perspective is simply too ambiguous to quantify and validate.
When you go to a site like CNN, I think what drives the huge fonts and the crazy headlines is the stuff from items 3-4 of your list. Most news consumers want to get their “news” fix in an entertaining manner and Trump is like a train wreck crashing down a busy street. Bernie doesn’t stoop to that level and it’s pretty damn lame that that is to his detriment.
I’m in part riffing on the tired conservative complaint of the “liberal media”. But only in part. The main focus here is TV, that’s where Zaid focused his research, and the idea that TV news channels are “liberal” is patently absurd. Even if you want to treat MSNBC as liberal, they are an outlier and it barely affects the balance.
And really, if there were such an obvious liberal media, why aren’t they giving Sanders, who presumably they’d like as a candidate, plenty of coverage? They’re either not liberal or they don’t care about liberal causes, which frankly amounts to the same thing.
I think the key, especially when the GOP has gone so far right as to fall off a cliff: what is considered “liberal media”?
How is it that to you there is no liberal media but to some, it is ALL liberal media outside Fox News and some fringe sites?
Cable news is defined largely by its commentators: Fox News is neocon, MSNBC is a liberal slant. This isn’t really a controversial conclusion. If you truly believe this, let’s put it to the test: list the MSNBC commentators and tell me who falls into what partisan category.
Objectively, a “liberal media” would be one that pushes/supports liberal causes.
The question then becomes whether you want to pay credence to the righties who reflexively call anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh liberal; or, pay credence to liberals who see barely any media fitting this definition.
And I have to ask the same question again, the one you avoided. If there is such an obviously liberal media, why aren’t they all-in on Bernie? Why are they ignoring a clearly more liberal candidate who also happens to poll well?
Where’s Bernie?
Why, he’s out there, ostensibly running to the left to give Killary room to run to the right, before delivering his voters to her, probably by or before the convention and certainly, and very actively, during the general election.
And making sure the F-35 program stays in Burlington, of course. Has anyone checked to see how many of his local, “small, individual contributions” are from Lockheed Martin employees?
Of course Trump gets much more coverage: He’s much more entertaining, much better clickbait, and his positions are much more important to the American people and the world at large, cuz, unlike Bernie, the fascist clown could actually end up in the White House.
FYI, the latest national polls for the respective party nominations show Clinton leading nearest competitor Sanders by 33 points and Trump leading second-place Cruz by 23 points.
Good God, the stupidity being posted here, today. Did you not read the article? Sanders has more support than Trump, which basically demolishes your entire narrative.
“and his positions are much more important to the American people” — right among a smaller group on the right…
Totally immaterial (and only demonstrated by some polls, in any case) in view of the fact that Sanders has, effectively, no chance of becoming the Democratic nominee and will, thus, never face Trump or any other Republican in the 2016 election. Also, you have clearly demonstrated that you didn’t understand my “narrative” at all.
Wrong. Repeat: . . . much more important to the American people and the world at large, cuz, unlike Bernie, the fascist clown could actually end up in the White House.
Now, Berniebot, go work on your reading comprehension.
How much is her campaign paying ya’ll these days?
So far, that’s the most clueless comment of the thread. Another Berniebot who needs remedial reading work.
FYI, If I were in charge, Killary would be standing trial at the ICC for war crimes and crimes against humanity. And Bernie would be outed as the phony he is:
Sanders outlines pro-capitalist, pro-war positions in speech on “democratic socialism”
Read slowly. Perhaps two or three times. Repetition really does help understanding — if you want to understand.
I suspect you are correct… but what if you’re wrong?
Wouldn’t it be better to move a little bit in the right direction? Or rather, left.
It would suck to be stuck with Killary because a few too many voters were discouraged.
I’m a Bernie in the primaries, Jill in the general guy… but I’m holding out a little hope to put a slight chink in the Establishment armor.
Seeing Killary lose again would be great… she and Bill both really suck at pretending to be “team players”.
Sorry… not trying to sell you…
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All kidding and smart-ass remarks aside, after more than five (approaching six) decades observing — and for much of that time being a relentless activist — in US politics, I no longer believe that incremental change is possible: the game is entirely rigged in favor of the 0.1% and their minions.
I still think we can make some progress, especially in a few “pockets” of progressive sanity, on the local level — and that counts, really counts — but I think the larger system may need to crash before it has any hope of being fixed. And I think it will crash, and that it ain’t gonna be pretty.
As one of my friends, a brilliant urban designer, says of our incredibly-screwed-up built environment (in most American places): “It just can’t be tweaked; we’re going to have to scrape it off and start over.”
Of course, keep in mind that it’s “natural” for young activists to have hope and for old men to be bitter and disillusioned.
“scrape it off and start over”? What a daydream, what a pretentious excuse.
Perhaps. But I’m quite certain that “it can’t be tweaked,” so, remember, the flip side of a daydream is a nightmare.
How is it “pretentious” and why would anyone need an excuse for believing that our system is beyond repair? Wouldn’t study and understanding be sufficient?
Given the unarguable realities of the day and the preceding decades, I might argue that believing otherwise is evidence of denial, in the socio-psychological sense . . . or a combination of simple ignorance and the sort of natural (evolved) tendency toward hopefulness that served our species well — was adaptive — during much of our evolution but has become almost immeasurably dangerous and maladaptive in a world where seven billion of us have the ability to destroy much of the biosphere — either slowly and relentlessly by means of our day-to-day activities or in a series of sudden and furious flashes of light, heat and ionizing radiation in the developing resource wars.
Shorter: There’s no excuse for hope for civilization as it exists today; indeed, it is delusional and dangerous.
Yeah, well, I’m closer to dead than young, which is why I suspect you are correct.
Doubt I’ll make it to the scrape it off phase.
But, on the off chance Bernie can win (and I’m not claiming he can change much), watching Killary lose again would be enjoyable.
Might as well get in a few kicks before it crashes. because, not only is it ain’t gonna be pretty, it’s gonna be downright ugly before it finally crashes… er, um, uglier I guess I should say.
Thanks for the response.
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If you all missed it, Bernie’s 6-part video interview with rapper Killer Mike. It is very good!!
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/12/16/watch-killer-mikes-6-part-interview-with-bernie-sanders-in-atlanta/
Thanks for the link.
It was better than I expected.
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Bernie is doing his job of collecting the progressive votes in order to gracefully hand them over to Hillary at the convention. This allows the Bernie supporters to vote in the general election for another neocon-lite candidate with a clear conscience.
There’s no need for him to get media coverage since the progressives will seek him out and the rest of the Democratic Party base will vote mindlessly anyway.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Take a look at the comments at any Democratic-leaning websites and blogs and you’ll see that a large percentage of Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary. I’m one of them, although I’m in a solid-red state, so thanks to the Electoral College my vote for President doesn’t count.
Nice astroturfing gig you’ve got there…
Not only does Sanders get fewer articles, but even more importantly, they lack substance, unlike those devoted to Hillary – and I do mean devoted.
New York Times readers have been complaining for months that the NYT covers Hillary on a seemingly daily basis with policy issues, but the very few articles regarding Sanders are about his hair, grumpiness, rumpled suits, and assumed un-electability. Oh, and Socialist!
Admittedly, when Sanders announced he would give unqualified support to Hillary if she became the nominee, he didn’t just close the door on an independent run, he made it clear he wouldn’t even try to leverage his support/supporters. What kind of a leader of a political revolution does that? He’s playing the foil for Hillary and the Democrats are benefiting by getting voters to register as Dems who have been undeclared. Since people rarely change their party affiliation later unless they have a specific reason, such as voting for Bernie in a closed primary state, they’ll end up staying on Democratic donation mailing lists and told how to vote. The biggest threat to both major parties is now Independents who now make up a majority of voters. They want us to take sides and do as we’re told.
If Sanders supporters were smart, they’d threaten to break ranks and vote for Donald Trump if Hillary becomes the Dem nominee OR if Sanders isn’t give far more fair coverage immediately. Sanders is going nowhere unless he starts getting a lot more coverage and the DNC knows how to pull corporate strings to make that happen – they do it for Hillary every day.
Sanders-Warren is the winning ticket that would beat Trump. Frankly, I’m FAR more concerned about dangerous abuse of power by Hillary than I would be from a President Trump. At least Trump’s got constructive energy from which he’s made billions from development. Hillary, on the other hand, has destructive energy and has made political disasters from it – the Middle East being her showcase.
Pay attention, TI!”
As RPDC has already told you, your purported link to the Quinnipiac poll actually goes directly to Apple’s home page.
This used to happen a ton in Ken Silverstein’s pieces.
It made me wonder, why Apple’s homepage!?
Well, Omidyar used to work for Claris and General Magic, both Apple creations/spinoffs. Maybe he has a chunk of very valuable stock . . . ;^)
“Media executives view Trump’s outrageous antics as good for their bottom line.”
And look at who just ran up that number of Trump mentions…
Is there any wonder why the USA has fallen to 49th place on the 2015 World Press Freedom Index? We were 45th last year.
That’s despite the methodology of the index, which will tend to bias it toward elite/establishment views. They basically send questionnaires out. In the US that might go to well known journalists who will say “everything is great.” In countries where corporate media dominates but corporations are at odds with government policy, how do you think that will go?
Ouch — “phenomenon” is the singular, “phenomena” is the plural.
Hence, “this phenomenon”.
Please don’t do this kinda thing to me anymore.
It hurts real bad, much as I appreciate your attempt to do justice to Bernie.
You are a phenom. Fixed.
“News” outlets like the Huffington Post run editorials and stories criticizing Donald Trump daily. Also, they run editorials and stories about Donald Trump daily. They do the same with very few critical stories about Secretary Clinton. It’s no wonder they’re so popular and leading polls. Less than critical thinkers know what they like and they like what they know.
This isn’t a question about whether Bernie Sanders stories appear in the capitalist corporate media because they do. The questions are what are the frequencies and emphases of political candidate stories. The truth leaks out in the capitalist, corporate media in dribs and drabs, but it’s overwhelmed in quantity and volume by their propaganda.
It’s apparent by the metrics above that capitalist, corporate media, military industrial and security complex and political establishment, i.e., the ruling class and their enforcement mechanisms have picked Hillary Clinton as their favorite. She’s the one that will bring more war, more surveillance and more of the same old, same old, watered down, half stepping, thin as gruel, mealy mouth policies of the last thirty years or so with a few crumbs for the working class that mindlessly support her.
It’s going to take a political revolution as Senator Sanders says to prevent it.
You guys shilling for Apple? (Click on the “Recent Quinnipiac poll” link)
This is because Sanders has not announced he will run third party if not nominated. The media correctly sees that he is not a threat because they apparently know for sure that he will gracefully step aside when the establishment candidate wins the Dem nom.
A better concept would be that the media woudn’t cover Trump at all if the establishment they belong to really didn’t want him to win. They would probably be OK with Sanders as well because he is obviously playing ball with them by not threatening to really stop Clinton if she wins her nom.
Same applies to Rand Paul. If he threatened to run third party, he would get more attention.
No–at the beginning of his campaign, Rand Paul did get a lot of attention. Unfortunately, what people saw was: Rand Paul. Hence–dropping in polls. If he announced he would break with the GoP, he wouldn’t get the Trump treatment, he’d get the Jim Webb treatment.
Possible for Bernie voters to threaten a write-in campaign? It’s what I plan to do if Hillary is on the ballot.
I don’t want to vote for Bernie as a protest vote–I want to vote for him so he can be president.