IN MID-NOVEMBER, just weeks before the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, the Joint Regional Intelligence Center and the sheriffs’ departments of San Bernardino and Riverside counties held the First Annual Inland Terrorism Liaison Officer Conference in Fontana, California. The two-day event — for law enforcement, public officials, and select members of the private sector — included sessions like “Policing Violent Extremism” and “Preventing Lone Wolf Attacks.”
In fact, this part of California’s Inland Empire has become home to a cottage industry of counterterrorism training in recent years aimed at teaching people how to spot would-be terrorists before they attack. By all accounts, those trainings failed to help anyone spot Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, the married couple who shot and killed 14 people and injured 22 others at a meeting of San Bernardino County Health Department employees on December 2.
Many of the trainings, which focus on helping attendees identify “behavioral indicators” of potential terrorists, were held at the Ben Clark Training Center in Riverside, California, less than 25 miles from where the attacks took place.
These behavioral indicators have become central to the U.S. counterterrorism prevention strategy, yet critics say they don’t work. “Quite simply, they rely on generalized correlations found in selectively chosen terrorists without using control groups to see how often the correlated behaviors identified occur in the non-terrorist population,” Michael German, a former FBI agent who is currently a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, told The Intercept.
The trainings are based on flawed theories that just don’t stand up to empirical scrutiny, according to German. “The FBI, [National Counter-Terrorism Center], and [Department of Homeland Security] promote these theories despite the fact they have been refuted in numerous academic studies over the past 20 years,” he said.
Yet the behavior indicator training business appears to be booming in California, where the training sessions are sponsored by an alphabet soup of counterterrorism organizations that have sprung up in recent years, including the Joint Regional Intelligence Center; the Los Angeles chapter of InfraGard, a partnership between the FBI and private sector; and the state fusion center.
The Joint Regional Intelligence Center, in turn, has produced dozens of Official Use Only intelligence bulletins focusing on behavior indicators. One intelligence bulletin, from March 2015, identified potential indicators of radicalization including “history of mental instability/illness”; “employment/financial problems”; and “marital/family problems.”
Southern California’s enthusiasm for terrorist spotting dates back to 2002, when it was home to the first Terrorism Liaison Officer program, the controversial initiative that enlists and credentials community members and private sector industry representatives to report any potentially suspicious behavior. The program was first launched out of the Los Angeles chapter of InfraGard — which covers seven nearby counties including Riverside and San Bernardino where the attacks occurred and the perpetrators lived; the program has since been rolled out nationwide.
The Los Angeles chapter of InfraGard has also been a major beneficiary of federally funded grant money for counterterrorism training. In 2013 the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors doubled the funding of its multimillion-dollar sole source contract with InfraGard to $2,530,000 and extended it through 2018.
One of the companies hired by InfraGard to conduct counterterrorism training is CT Watch, headed by Roque “Rocky” Wicker, who also holds an executive leadership position with the Los Angeles InfraGard chapter. Employees of CT Watch have taught seminars, such as “Threat of ISIS and radicalization in the homeland.”
“The indicators work,” Wicker told The Intercept in an interview. “Behavior indicators work. You just need to train the right people.”
If Wicker is right, then the dozens of trainings held in California over the past year failed to train the right people to spot San Bernardino shooter Farook, who was a state employee and would have interacted with other state officials on a daily basis, or his friend Enrique Marquez, who was indicted Wednesday on charges related to his role in plotting with Farook to carry out attacks in 2011 and 2012.
In the months leading up to the attacks, law enforcement sources say terrorism trainings had increased in response to threats specific to California. For example, a recent issue of Dabiq, the Islamic State’s magazine, had listed potential central California targets.
Recent training sessions held in Riverside include “How to assess the threat posed by a potential lone wolf attacker,” “The Stealth Jihad in the United States,” and “Behavior threat assessment: preventing the Active Shooter,” which took place on October 22, just weeks before the San Bernardino shootings. The last one was designed “to equip law enforcement and security stakeholders with the skills and tools necessary to identify potentially violent individuals, assess the risk they pose of engaging in violence, proactively manage the risk and prevent violent attacks — including active shooter events.”
There were also three separate “Tactical Response to School & Community Violence” active shooter trainings in November, the most recent of which was held on December 2, the same day as the terrorist attack. Participants in the training were among the first to arrive at the scene of the San Bernardino shootings.
As for why behavioral indicator spotting failed to identify the San Bernardino shooters, one problem is simply that that the indicators are overly broad. A local law enforcement official involved in the vetting of suspicious activity reports in the Riverside area told The Intercept that prior to the attack, they’d received hundreds of suspicious activity reports, “most of which turn out to be bullshit. We run them down of course, but mostly, it’s a lot of nothing.”
Research: Sheelagh McNeill
When a clinician departs in a significant way from standard or accepted practice, the innovation does not, in and of itself, constitute research. The fact that a procedure is “experimental,” in the sense of new, untested or different, does not automatically place it in the category of research. “Radically new procedures of this description should, however, be made the object of formal research at an early stage in order to determine whether they are safe and effective. Thus, it is the responsibility of medical practice committees, for example, to insist that a major innovation be incorporated into a formal research project.(3)”
I would ask Mr. German and the Brennan Center for Justice to refer back to The Belmont Report. I believe the information he is referencing on “control groups” can be found there:
” (3) Because the problems related to social experimentation may differ substantially from those of biomedical and behavioral research, the Commission specifically declines to make any policy determination regarding such research at this time. Rather, the Commission believes that the problem ought to be addressed by one of its successor bodies.”
http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/humansubjects/guidance/belmont.html
It is unfortunate that the Commission did not fully address the ethical problem of research without consent in social experimentation in 1979.
But, who would have thunk it. That the American Psychology Association and “Academics on Patrol” would have positioned themselves as such a body without the Belmont prescription for ethics all those and these years later. I would think Mr. German, as a former FBI agent, would be familiar with much of the Binder material in the Hoffman Report. The “control groups” he is looking for can pretty much be found there.
FBI minions InfagGard pushing the “snitch network.” With a black budget dedicated to ex military, ex DoD ex FBI contractors to create fake domestic terrorism. The Gravy Train keeps coming. FBI’s STASI crews are scum targeting innocent civilians.
You can’t expect people in Kalifornia to be objective enough to spot terrorists. Over there, in Liberal Central, they’re not allowed to blow the whistle. If they do, they’re punished. Not that most WANT to. They’re born and raised to embrace people who wish to destroy the American way of life. In fact, Kalifornians are ostracized if they take a stand against the horde.
Oh puhlease
You clearly know nothing about Southern California, especially the area in which this took place.
” . . . radicalization in the homeland.” “Homeland?” That right there is one of the big tip-offs that fraud is afoot.
Dec 2, 2015 San Bernardino shooting WITNESS ’41NBC’ *They were all white men*
https://youtu.be/s45OeXNRZng
I agree. Let us hear from the witnesses before we assume we know exactly what happened.
(supporting member AE911Truth)
My second attempt to post this one. I’m sure it was just mere coincidence this shooting happened the same day that Russia released hundreds of videos showing Turkey’s (our ally) relationship with ISIS. Only Luke Rudowski of WeAreChange.org noticed. Nothing to see here, just move along.
The shooters were covered entirely. The witness lied, and is also a muslim, so no surprise there. Always spreading confusion.
I think the actions of the so called “neighbor” to these two people
was instrumental in covering up the fact of the planning for this
crime. I hope that he will be properly prosecuted to the full extent of
the law. This person should have been communicating with authorities
about the crime himself. With citizens like this, who needs enemies?
Why are the alleged perpetrators of the San Bernardino crime not called such. Two people were slaughtered by police and their NSA, CIA, FBI affiliates. Does that somehow PROVE it? I thought that kind of proof needed a courtroom to be heard.
I do not use words like terrorism or conspiracy simply due to the politicization. I also was taught that accused people are “alleged” until proven guilty.
You are right to reiterate “alleged perpetrators.” Innocent until proven guilty. Absolutely.
On the same day of the shootings, Russia released tons of video footage proving Turkey’s link with ISIS. The only organization I know of that noticed it was WeAreChange. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
If you look at the radicalization process in the behavioral indicators file it looks like a set of perception management objectives promoted through U.S Media, Republican politicians and their employees online.
The tipping points listed is where government comes in.
Its legal for news stations to lie. They and their politicians receive millions during election season to promote whatever agenda these people from anywhere want even when it promotes something we’re told our information controlling, surveillance hungry government is trying to stop.
So as you head off to work and sending your kids off to school make sure you know what the behavioral indicators are for terrorist attacks by Muslim. And if you fail, like only a tolerant liberal would, you might have to give up some freedom of speech protections to help them stop the influence of terrorism by Muslim.
Power to the people!
Every drone strike creates a terrorist, every bombing run creates a terrorist. Bring the troops home and they’ll eventually leave us alone, maybe not in one year but when we leave them alone, they’ll leave us alone and fight among themselves as they have done for centuries. They aren’t doing this because they hate our freedoms, they doing it because we blew up their sister, mother, brother, father, wife, son.
The fleecings will continue until we have all your money. America is being fleeced by the fear generated by the MSM propaganda machine. There are actually more pressing issues than terrorism. (Climate crisis, loss of resources etc.)
Middle-class jobs is #1.
you lost me at climate change…..Not even on the list
http://www.gallup.com/poll/167873/americans-cite-jobs-economy-gov-top-problems.aspx
It appears the Inland Terrorism Liaison Officer Conference attendees did not bother to check “The List”, as in the Republican and Democratic parties’ voter registration lists.
Oh for fucks sake. Given:
Drowning in a Bathtub: 1 in 685,000
Fatally Slipping during a Shower: 1 in 812,232
Being Struck by Lightning: 1 in 576,000
Being Murdered: 1 in 18,000
Dying from any kind of Injury: 1 in 1,820
Dying from intentional Self-harm: 1 in 9,380
Dying from an Assault: 1 in 16,421
Dying from a Car Accident: 1 in 18,585
Dying from any kind of Fall: 1 in 20,666
Dying from Accidental Drowning: 1 in 79,065
Dying from Exposure to Smoke, Fire, and Flames: 1 in 81,524
Dying from Forces of Nature (earthquake, heat, cold, lightning, flood): 1 in 225,107
Dying from Choking on Food: 1 in 370,035
Dying in a Fireworks Accident: 1 in 1,000,000
Dying from a Dog Bite: 1 in 700,000
Dying from Falling off a Ladder: 1 in 2,300,000
Dying form unintentional Alcohol Poisoning: 1 in 820,217
Dying from a Heart Disease: 1 in 5
Dying from a Cancer: 1 in 7
Dying from a Stroke: 1 in 23
Dying from Electrocution: 1 in 5,000
Bee, Snake Venomous Sting: 1 in 100,000
Scalded by Hot Tap Water: 1 in 5,000,000
By Falling Coconut: 1 in 250,000,000
By a Shark Attack: 1 in 300,000,000
Dying of a Snake Bite: 1 in 3,500,000
Dying from Food Poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000
Dying from Accident at Work: 1 in 43,500
Dying in a Road Accident: 1 in 8,000
And given the overall average of dying in any kind of terrorist attack worldwide is 1 in 9,300,000 (9.3 million, notwithstanding those who believe the daily fear mongering going on in this country,I’d submit anyone who lives their lives in daily mortal fear of being killed by a terrorist is a fucking moron.
Meanwhile, perhaps someone will start a organization such as Infra-Guard that will help us identify those dangerous inanimate objects around us that are just waiting to kill us.
http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm
Or better yet, help us identify those who wear a badge that are most likely to kill you. After all..you are 55 times more likely to be killed by a cop ..than a terrorist.
sheezusHfuckingcrhist. If stupidity were weather this country would be in a perpetual 5.9 hurricane.
All threats and causes for death are not equivalent. The one thing terrorism excels at that those items on your list don’t is psychological warfare.
It’s aims include frightening and demoralizing the populace. That you don’t realize this is either naïveté or simply not caring. During the Klan’s heyday, would you be telling blacks that heart disease was the real enemy?
by the way, pretty credible looking source you’ve got there… /s
Wait, you forgot two VERY important ones:
Dying by a cop if you are White and doing nothing: 1 in 2
(without news reports or a Public outcry)
Dying by a cop if you are Black while committing a crime: 1 in 10
(with thousands of news reports trying to create a Public outcry)
Hi Jana,
I read your article and wanted to bring to your attention that the tragedy in San Bernardino is compounded by the fact that according to witnesses interviewed by CBS news and NBC news 3 white men entered the IRC and committed this horrible act taking 14 innocent lives.
How did we end up with a Muslim couple as the culprits is a mystery worth investigating.
1. In this CBS news interview eyewitness Sally Abdelmageed who works at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino tells Scott Pelley how she saw 3 men with athletic built, dressed in black with large assault rifles entered and committed the mass killing. She hid in an office with others and called 9-1-1 for help.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/witness-describes-the-san-bernardino-shooting
Jaun Hernandez tells NBC news he saw three white men dressed in black ran out of the building after the shooting and escaped in a black SUV.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/it-sounded-like-a-gun-range-578218563875
In fact, everyone I have talked to heard the same thing in the initial reports. I am certain many others saw the 3 gunmen as this happened during business hours. I wonder
a. If there were security cameras, where is the footage showing the entrance to the building and its hallways at the time of shooting?
b. Where are those 3 gunmen now?
c. Why no one is looking for them?
2. In this CNN interview David Chelsey, the attorney for the accused Muslim couple, says when the police reached the SUV the couple were found shot dead, handcuffed, facing down.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/12/04/shooters-family-attorney-intv-cuomo-newday.cnn/video/playlists/san-bernardino-shooting/
Questions:
a. How could they have been involved in a car chase yet be found handcuffed and dead?
b. Could those 3 gunmen kidnapped, handcuffed, and killed them too?
3. In this CNN interview Harry Houck, a law enforcement analyst, expresses his disbelief that the accused couples’ residence was opened to the reporters only 2 days after the killings. He blasts the police for allowing the reporters to enter and destroy any chance of discovering fingerprints or DNA samples that might lead to other assailants.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-inside-shooters-apartment-harry-houck.cnn
Questions:
a. Why did the FBI and the police do this?
b. Don’t they want to make sure they have collected all the evidence?
These are just some the question I have as a casual observer. I would be interested to see what you will discover.
Your points about the eyewitness accounts are interesting, but the male was shot yards away from the vehicle, and handcuffed by police on the spot he was killed. Pool of blood in the road seems to verify this fact:
http://breaking911.com/pictured-san-bernardino-terrorist-pictured-dead-and-handcuffed/
And the female’s body after being pulled from vehicle, not handcuffed:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tashfeen+malik+dead+body+in+street&view=detailv2&&id=DA685E717A8E1DC145335CE5C88015F3B87A16DC&selectedIndex=0&ccid=lOWSVdyg&simid=608033826544815795&thid=OIP.M94e59255dca014be837cfacab539bed8o0&ajaxhist=0
Thanks for the links. As distant observers it is hard to be sure of what exactly happened. There is enough going on to require further investigation, especially that e still don’t know who were those three gunmen.
The link you posted also mentions the Facebook page post. Take a look the wording in this CNN report. How can this be even considered credible reporting. It is based on some unnamed official’s thought. Yet within a few hours reported as fact by all news agencies. Pure propaganda if you ask me.
“San Bernardino shooting: Attacker pledged allegiance to ISIS, officials say
By Greg Botelho, CNN
Updated 1:50 PM ET, Fri December 4, 2015
(CNN)Investigators think that as the San Bernardino, California, massacre was happening, female shooter Tashfeen Malik posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.
Malik’s post was made on an account with a different name, one U.S. official said. The officials did not explain how they knew Malik made the post
A law enforcement official said it appeared that Wednesday’s mass shooting — which left 14 people dead and 21 wounded before the two attackers, Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, were killed in a shootout with police — may have been inspired by ISIS. “
You inferred CNN is a news agency. This is the sign of a confused mind if you ask me.
Farahbay,
As to item #3, the FBI constantly does this–masks illicit activity as a royal fuck-up. The worst that can happen is for the public say,” Wow, you guys are real fuck-ups!” Rather than, “Wow, you guys are really corrupt!”
See how nicely that works for them?
Was the 2015 San Bernardino shooting actually terrorism? The news reports make it sound like a typical American workplace shooting only with Muslim perpetrators? The only unique feature is the husband and wife team, and maybe that they were gainfully employed. There was some mention of them being ‘radicalized’ but they seem to have chosen a personal not political target.
Are we being deceived? First it was three athletic white guys ( confirmed by several eye witnesses) and then it was the Muslim couple found dead & bound in the back of an SUV ( as per their attorney). One would need to spot apparently two sets of terrorists to be sure. Or realize something which I will leave implicit.
It’s easy to spot terrorists. Just watch the Republicans on C-SPAN and you’ll spot a dozen of them.
Bwahahahahahahahaha! Precisely.
If you limit your perception of home-grown terrorism
to republicans, you are helping to enable the problem.
None of the major examples of terrorism which are
proudly pushed by the republicans could have been
achieved by the fake USA without the proud support of
the democrats.
Biden, Kerry, and Clinton were three of the strongest
supporters of the worst terrorist attack in decades –
the illegal war against Iraq which slaughtered
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE –
and then
Biden, Kerry and Clinton
were rewarded with highly powerful positions in the
devious administration of corporate plunder
under the fakery of Obama.
The democrats and republicans are
different forms of lying in support of
the same agenda.
Spot on.
But don’t forget to credit US voters. They vote and pay for this shit.
That’s what makes the fake USA so “exceptional” (not).
The mix of fear, insecurity, and pride reinforces the
patriotic ignorance for the benefit of the most domineering
and greediest members of the empire
(whose allegiances depend upon the accumulation of money).
The rich keep telling us that we are exceptional while they
use us to build our own prison,
just like every other example of imperialism created by humans.
This article misses the point completely and I do not recall being interviewed for this article. Other than a casual phone conversation on a Sunday evening while I was driving home from San Diego, no where in that conversation did I say “behavior indicators work” as Jana quoted me saying. What I did say is that suspicious activity reporting works and if Farooks neighbors were trained how to properly report suspicious behavior vs suspicious “looking” people (activity vs race) then maybe the tragic attack in San Bernardino would have been averted or avoided. Community awareness programs have been around for a long time and so have terrorists – is it safe to say that when the community gets trained on what to look out for and folks like Farook are in that community, will he modify his activity to mask his true intentions? Anyone with an ounce of common sense would assume so.
As usual articles like this focus on 20/20 hindsight vs successes in community awareness programs such as suspicious activity reporting, which has netted many “wanna be” terrorists (4 of which were arrested in Orange County not long ago).
http://m.ocregister.com/articles/force-662727-task-terrorism.html
I want to finish off by saying terrorism has changed in many ways. No longer do they have to go travel overseas to train or be sanctioned by a higher ranking member of a terror organization to commit a heinous act for whatever twisted rational. The new breed to worry about is “the inspired” terrorist. One who sits quietly learning their disgusting trade online hiding behind our privacy protections and knowing how to manipulate our laws to go undetected. If anyone reading this has ever read the Oct 2015 “How to Survive in the West – a Mujahideen Guide” published by ISIS, you will realize how well written it is and how it discusses how to urban mask activities to look like normal day to day tasks. This guide had to be written by someone familiar with law enforcement and intelligence procedures because it essentially trains the would be terrorist on how not to get caught while operating in Western countries (both Paris and San Bernardino attackers utilized many tactics, techniques, and procedures in the guide). Simply put, without violating everyone’s rights it’ll be very difficult to detect, deter, and detain the new breed of terrorists. The only other option is to have better human intelligence and better community awareness programs to educate our communities how to report suspicious activity without being a racist or a bigot.
And manuals for this masterminded project can be obtained from Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (MfS), because we just love recycling of bad ideas that make us feel better about ourselves.
Fact: What’s being done in the U.S. is actually fueling violence and mass shootings.
Dear Rocky,
Thank you for the New Year’s belly laugh!
Have you heard of the East German Stasi, darling? Because you are them. And like them, you will be brought down.
Oooooo, did that get me on your watch list, shithead????
It sound as though you are saying that “suspicious activity reporting” does not work very well.
Are “suspicious activities” part of “behavior indicators”, or are they two independent things?
Terrorism is politically motivated violence. Everyone can potentially be exposed to a political idea – not even the American media has been sufficiently dumbed down to prevent this possibility. And all human beings are inherently violent – although many manage to at least partially repress it. Trying to guess which person will snap at any given moment is a mug’s game. Therefore it is prudent for the authorities to consider everyone to be a terrorist.
So simply ask, “what restrictions should be placed on a known terrorist?”, and then create laws that apply those restrictions to everyone.
Humans are inherently violent. Or, they are inherently not so, because that is something commonly observed too. Clearly, our genetic endowment allows both. One could just as easily argue that people occasionally repress their desire to be peaceful.
Just some food for thought. Channeling my inner Chomsky.
Regards…
Ms Winter
According to the state-operated New York Times (today):
“……. federal authorities said Thursday that a New York man had been arrested on charges of planning a New Year’s Eve attack at a bar…….Prosecutors announced Thursday that 25-year-old Emanuel Lutchman had been charged with attempting to provide material support to terrorists. He was snared in an FBI sting, the prosecutors said……A federal complaint said Lutchman is a self-professed convert to Islam, who claimed to receive direction from an overseas Islamic State member and planned to carry out an attack at a bar in the Rochester area on Thursday…..”
Oh Oh, another successful FBI sting operation. According to Greenwald (your boss):
“…….Time and again, the FBI concocts a Terrorist attack, infiltrates Muslim communities in order to find recruits, persuades them to perpetrate the attack, supplies them with the money, weapons and know-how they need to carry it out — only to heroically jump in at the last moment, arrest the would-be perpetrators whom the FBI converted, and save a grateful nation from the plot manufactured by the FBI…..”
Just another poor “hapless, loner” Muslim caught in an FBI sting. The would-be terrorist was likely a choir boy before the FBI radicalized him. And we all know the reason that he was radicalized (in the words of Greenwald):
“…..But whatever else is true, it’s simply unrealistic in the extreme to expect to run around for a full decade screaming WE ARE AT WAR!! — and dropping bombs and attacking with drones and shooting up families in multiple Muslim countries (and occupying, interfering in and killing large numbers before that) – and not produce many Rezwan Ferdauses. In fact, the only surprising thing is that these seem to be so few of them actually willing and able to attack back that — in order to justify this Endless War on civil liberties (and Terror) — the FBI has to search for ones they can recruit, convince, and direct to carry out plots…..”
Of course, if you are not completely convinced that its our policies which drive the targeting and murdering of westerners, then there are the standard reasons provided in your article, Ms Winter :
“……One intelligence bulletin, from March 2015, identified potential indicators of radicalization including “history of mental instability/illness”; “employment/financial problems”; and “marital/family problems.”…..”
In other words, we just don’t do enough to ensure we have a happy Muslim population. So mass murder can be directly attributed to our misguided social policies which alienate “hapless, loner” Muslims. Clearly, they are forced to target and murder – as in the case of the socially maladjusted San Bernadino Islamists – social workers (the ones charged with helping hapless, loner Muslims adjust to western society).
The Intercept certainly continues to provide valid reasons for Islamic terrorism. I suspect it is only a matter of time before hapless loner Hispanic immigrants resort to mass murder because of the social injustice in America.
Thanks.
The term, “Islamic Terrorism” is an oxymoron.
“…extremism and radicalism can’t be “Islamic.” The adjective “Islamic” in Arabic is used to refer to the ideals of the Muslim religion, which forbids murder and forbids terrorism. The adjective that Mr. Cruz is looking for is “Muslim.” He wants to fight Muslim radicalism or Muslim extremism. Not Islamic. The same distinction is made between Judaic and Jewish. Judaic has to do with Jewish ideals and civilization. You could have a Jewish terrorist. You couldn’t have a Judaic terrorist.”
By Juan Cole, at http://www.juancole.com/2015/12/cant-carpet-bombing.html
Mr. Cole should’ve added and terrorism after “extremism and radicalism” in the first sentence above.
See also: “Top Ten Ways Islamic Law forbids Terrorism” by Juan Cole at http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html
Hi Sufi
I would take great exception to what Juan Cole says on any number of issues in the article you cited. For example, what would Juan Cole call abortion clinic bombings? Personally, I call them what they are – Christian terrorism. That doesn’t imply all Christians are terrorists, or that Christianity supports the targeting and murdering of abortion doctors (or anyone else). You might even say that it is un-Christian. But if you are murdering innocent people for political reasons, you are a terrorist – and in this case a Christian terrorist.
All religions have a violent history of some kind – including Islam. There is nothing inherently wrong with labeling something for what it is or what it represents. Extremists like ISIS, Boko Haram and al-Qaeda are political-religious movements that seek power in the name of Islam. Indeed, they are un-Islamic – but Islamic terrorists none the less.
Thanks.
As I have stated before, I believe those who grew up in the Christian tradition (regardless of their level of faith) are used to using the word, Christian, for both According to the teachings of Christianity, and A person who adheres to Christianity.
They don’t have words that are equivalent to Islamic and Judaic.
I believe this could be the reason they tend to use the word, Islamic, to refer to People who adhere to Islam and do not realize that word Islamic is used by the Muslims to refer to According to the teachings of Islam.
To us Muslims, the term, Islamic Terrorism, is an oxymoron and is highly offensive as we read in it the “explicit” implication that the religion, as adhered to by over 99.999% of the people, is being implicated, that we’re told that terrorism can be Islamic, that is According to the teachings of Islam, something we absolutely reject.
When non-Muslims hear the term, Islamic terrorism, they also think that there’s something Islamic about terrorism. Many of them produce verses from the Quran to “prove” it.
Whether you agree with Juan Cole on what he has written in the articles I referred to is not my concern.
But I wanted to point out that he has figured out a way to get out of preceding the word, Islamic, with words, such as “extremism” and “radicalism”, and by extension, “terrorism”, as well.
Read the paragraph I quoted again. If it doesn’t make sense to you, fine, but I put it out there not just for you, but for other readers of TI as well as TI’s writers.
If it makes a difference in the future, fine, otherwise, my lonely voice will continue to point this out, as I did on Juan Cole’s website, which might have led him to reconsider using this highly inaccurate term.
I believe the time has come to recognize that their claims have been soundly rejected by the overwhelming majority of Muslims, even though they’re not a monolithic group.
And they’ve not rejected them without providing any evidence from the religious texts.
There’s plenty of evidence from the texts to settle this matter once and for all, that There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ISLAMIC about terrorism, where terrorism is defined as violence (religious or political or both) committed against the NON-COMBATANTS, including off-duty soldiers.
So, what the overwhelming majority is saying, and they’re saying it with textual evidence, must now be represented more than ever before.
Call them Muslim Terrorists or call the act Muslim Terrorism, but the term, Islamic Terrorism is invalid and implicates ALL of Islam.
We’ve been told to take away Islam from the extremists and the terrorists, and taking the terminologies away from them is extremely important at this state.
BUT YOU ARE NOT HELPING US !!!
I used capital letters for emphasis, not shouting.
“…….BUT YOU ARE NOT HELPING US !!!…..”
Trust me. I have no impact on how Islam is perceived around the world. However, there is a global political movement terrorizing in the name of Islam that does have an impact on how Islam is viewed by the world. They are the ones seeking to subjugate and/or kill (mostly) Muslims in an anti-democratic Islamic state ruled by a Caliph. ISIS, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram etc. are the ones giving Islam a bad name. They are the ones not helping you.
To me, you are just playing word games with Islamic terrorist versus Muslim terrorist in much the same way as pro choice versus pro abortion. No one with a modicum of a brain believes that Christian terrorism implicates all Christians or that Islamic terrorism implicates all Muslims (emphasize modicum of a brain). Just because Greenwald may refer to “white racists”, that does not indicate all white people are racists.
Simply put, as a Muslim, you are sensitive to how Islam is perceived which is fine, but people (mostly Muslims) are dying at the hands of religious zealots seeking power in an Islamic state. In my mind, they are Islamic terrorists because of the methods employed to gain power.
Thanks.
Okay, that’s fine. I didn’t think you’d accept Juan Cole’s reasoning for not using the term, Islamic Terrorism.
Perhaps others, especially the TI writers, will accept his reasoning and stop offending and insulting us Muslims.
“……Perhaps others, especially the TI writers, will accept his reasoning and stop offending and insulting us Muslims……”
I doubt you will find more ardent defenders of Muslims than the writers at the Intercept – at least where its politically expedient.
Thanks.
I don’t think they support those Muslims who carry out terrorist acts.
If they support the Muslims, they are in support of the Muslim victims of terrorism.
Even then, they use the term, Islamic Terrorism, though it’s oxymoron and is offensive to the Muslims, especially to those who are at the receiving end of terrorism and those traditional Muslims who are caught in the middle of the current mayhem.
I find it interesting that those who point out that most of the victims of terrorism committed by some so-called Muslims are Muslims.
Yet, these victims’ religion of Islam doesn’t get any sympathy. And, by implicating Islam, they also suggest that the Islams of the Muslim victims is responsible for terrorism.
In other words, they’d tell Malala that her religion sanctions terrorism.
Sufi
“…….I don’t think they support those Muslims who carry out terrorist acts…..”
No, but they provide every excuse and justification for those attacks.
“……If they support the Muslims, they are in support of the Muslim victims of terrorism…..”
No, in fact they never mention them at all (except as victims to drones). In fact, they (rightfully) provide support for western Muslims who might out of ignorance be blamed for the acts of the (Muslim) terrorists i.e., collective punishment. However, the Intercept rarely if ever mentions the primary targets of (Muslim) terrorism – Muslims world-wide. The reason is simple – and it has everything to do with political goals (not human rights).
Thanks.
Bad Ol’ Putty Tat!
Yes I am
I was referring to TI, not you. Sorry, I wasn’t clear.
One thing you have to hand to the people in the US: they know how to turn anything into an opportunity to make a buck. Disasters of any kind take place, and there is always some group of enterprising individuals coming up with another innovative service or product that the public will lap up.
In this case, the prep work was easy: simply migrate all indicators that have served so long and well at spotting potential traitors and spies: financial problems, mental problems, family problems. Back when I got my first TS the list also included homosexuality, but we have moved on from that. Funny thing is, these guidelines, even with polygraph testing added on, did not manage to catch Aldrich Ames or Robert Hanssen (the two most recent examples) but that is not to say they will not be successful some time in the future.
And yet some law-abiding folks are being stalked, harassed and tracked like animals.
Who are the “select members of the private sector”?
Come on, names names. Who are those elite people who are not officially police but are in on the secrets of policing? America’s secret police, perhaps? The American Stasi get a little more exposure each day.
Jana Winter, courageous reporting would include naming those elite who have been selected to help police us.
Thank you!
The way I spot terrorists is to read declassified documents, which have indicated beyond a doubt to me that the CIA was responsible for the murder of President John F. Kennedy (and probably Rev. King and Bobby Kennedy), and that they should be shut down immediately, and any culpapble individuals still alive should be hunted down and exterminated!
Think I’m crazy:
Declassified CIA/FBI documents
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83403#relPageId=2&tab=page
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83404#relPageId=4&tab=page
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83405#relPageId=2&tab=page
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83405#relPageId=9&tab=page
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83408#relPageId=3&tab=page
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83409#relPageId=4&tab=page
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=91307#relPageId=2&tab=page
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=91307#relPageId=3&tab=page
Hey, dumb-arse Americans, here’s how to spot a potential terrorist: Anyone not a powerful, rich, valued and/or prominent personage from the political, military or industrial elite of America, or one of their well-paid henchmen that currently or potentially objects to American Imperialism and Gross Abuses of Power.
Ok, now go find a big enough interrogation room for 7billion people and get some translators in every known and extant language…
” those trainings failed to help anyone spot Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, the married couple who shot and killed 14 people and injured 22 others”
And then there’s the issue of the multiple eyewitness accounts of the three tall Caucasian men in black clothing who actually did the shooting.
Do you have any links to those ‘multiple eyewitness accounts’ of the three tall Caucasian men in black clothing who actually did the shooting?
I’d be really interested to check them out…
Here is a link to one account: http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/witness-describes-the-san-bernardino-shooting/
Wow. The eyewitness saw three tall white men. Hard to come up with a good explanation for that major discrepancy.
Sure, generalized behavioral markers yield poor results, but more specific indicators are definitely useful. For instance, putting on a blue suit and a badge correlates very strongly with a likelihood that a fella will jump out of his car and gun down a black kid.
That’s an insane comment, and you know it.
No, he is right. Cops have killed more than 300 unarmed black people in 2015 alone.
“The two-day event — for law enforcement, public officials, and select members of the private sector …”
Seems that the general public was not invited to this event, therefore did not receive the training. So unless the ‘terrorists’ came into contact with those who did attend, it is obvious that the training session had no bearing on this situation.
In addition, the neighbor who did have suspicions of the odd activity at the “terrorist’s” home did not call the police because of his politically-correct sensitivity about stereotyping Muslims.
If anyone is to blame for not ‘spotting the terrorists’ it is the pansy left liberals and their politically-correct agenda who repeatedly force this crap on the American public.
“If anyone is to blame…….” @ Bob – this article isn’t about blame. It’s about the impossibility to accurately predict violence while simultaneously maintaining a free society, a desire I’m sure us “pansy left liberals” share in common with you. Perhaps if one (other) person was armed during this incident, there would not have been as many casualties. Not all presumptions need to accompany blame. Make sure you are armed because the revolution will not be televised ;)
Dear oh dear, Bob. Thought you’d saunter down to The Intercept to show everyone here what a hard-talking, clear-thinking, well-informed right-wing little arse-kisser you are? Quick quick, show the GOP-o-Crats you are loyal and doing your bit to blah blah blah, yawn.
America is fine. You know it, I know it, Mr. Ed the Talking Horse knows it. Dorothy knew it as she clicked her little ruby red heels and wished to return back to the Land of the Free. Even General Flynn knew it as he was accidently and somwhat carelessly leaving all those guns lying around in Iraq. But the Tooth Fairy, well, she’s off with her own kind.
Keep banging that drum, Bob, makes it easier for us all to spot who the real terrorists of the world are.
Got into the Momma’s champagne a little early, eh Hell-boy?
Even if a test is 99% accurate identifying “X”, that still leaves a whole bunch of false positives when applied to the whole population. If the true number of “X” is so very, very, very small to begin with that the number of false positives drowns out and overwhelms the number of accurate identifications of “X”, then the test actually does more harm then good.
Unless the point of the test is to harass muslims, and then you really shouldn’t worry about false positives–because that is the point of the exercise.
For example–
Population of 500,000,000 x .01 (1% error rate) = 5,000,000 false positives
Warning: There is a 99% chance that my math is wrong. Please double check.
Even if a test is 99% accurate identifying “X”, that still leaves a whole bunch of false positives when applied to the whole population.
That’s why sensitivity and specificity are equally important in evaluating any given test.
http://www.lifenscience.com/bioinformatics/sensitivity-specificity-accuracy-and
As the application of these “tests” spread to other bits of the population and are subject to other rationalizations for uses, the reasons for negligence wrt sensitivity and specificity should become more obvious to the populace in general. Of course, by then most everybody’s ass will already have teeth marks.
@Pedinska
Awesome! You rock!
I was hoping someone much smarter than me would come along and add some much needed technical background.
Assuming this test has an accuracy rate of 99%, and assuming a population of 323,000,000, and that for each false positive that 100 miles of driving will be incurred to track down each false positive, at an automobile fatality rate of 1.5 per 100 million vehicle miles*, then 4.845 people will be killed every time this test is used, just tracking down false positives. Assuming we run this test once a month to account for ISIS recruitment and brainwashing, then terrorists will have to kill more than 58.14 people a year just to break even.
( ( ( (323,000,000 * .01) * 100) / 100,000,000 ) * 1.5 ) * 12
Warning: There is a 99% chance that my math is very wrong, and statistics is not my expertise to say the least, but this still gives you a very rough idea of how crazy things can be when you try to identify and prevent things that have a very, very, very small statistical chance of happening, even when you have a test that is 99% accurate.
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States
This article brings into light a very interesting example of
an industry (the militarizing “security” business) which is
greatly empowered and increasingly enlarges
as it repeatedly fails to do what it claims it is trying to do..
However, the great flaw in this article is how the author,
as is typical of so many others,
accepts the legally unsubstantiated/unproven
accusation as “proof”
that Farook and Malik were the perpetrators of this horror.
Their “guilt” was determined by those who are going to
most benefit from that spurious application of blame.
There has not been an impartial evaluation of evidence
in this case, just like so many other cases of violence
in this ever-more-militarizing decaying “culture.”
Hey, I’m as conspiracy-theorist as they come, but only when there is substantive evidence to question the ‘facts’ put forth by establishment authorities, but in this case it seems pretty cut and dried.
Please show us your alternative theory and evidence.
On the day of the shootings (Dec. 2nd), Scott Pelley of CBS interviewed a woman who had seen the shooters as she watched from an adjacent building. Her name was Sally Abdelmageed and she was emphatic that she had seen “three tall men” with their faces masked.
Here is a link to video of the interview: http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/witness-describes-the-san-bernardino-shooting/
Synopsis:
1. Law enforcement holds training to teach people how to spot would-be terrorists before they attack. One occurred in Fontana, California weeks prior to the attack
2. Many of the trainings focus on “behavioral indicators.”
3. Michael German says “behavioral indicators” don’t work, Roque Wicker says they do work.
4. Jana suggests that German is correct because training held in the area did not prevent the attack.
Jana, this is just too simplistic and lacks sufficient information to draw the casual relationship you’ve reached. The occurrence of an undesirable event does not mean that a single method aimed to prevent it was inherently flawed. Attending a training course alone doesn’t make you Superman, complete with x-ray vision. Finance and Accounting professionals continuously take courses on identifying fraud, yet fraud still occurs. The understanding is that you cannot prevent all fraud but that you have the tools to recognize attributes.
You take issue with the use of “behavioral indicators” but you don’t make a compelling argument about their purported inadequacies. You present an anecdotal argument using this single purported failure, and then paint it as emblematic of a flawed methodology or systematic failure. I want to see some actual data on why the “behavioral indicators” are flawed and what a better solution would look like. You claim that “critics” (really you only mention a single critic – Michael German) said these indicators don’t work but his own comment suggests that they are functional to the point that they could be improved through use of control groups and adjusting them to withstand “empirical scrutiny,” whatever the hell that means. Behavioral indicators have been refuted in various studies, German said, but you provide no information on what the studies are and what they concluded.
Lastly, you do not make any effort to connect the dots and show us why the contents of the training material failed to identify Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik, other than concluding that the “behavioral indicators… are overly broad.” That’s simply not helpful or persuasive information. If you are going to focus on just this incident, I want to see the training slides and the behavioral indicators, and compare them to the public actions of the individuals. I want to hear from attendees of the training, on or off the record, on whether they believe the training equipped them to identify those individuals. I want to see some law enforcement statistics on how often “behavioral indicators” are credited to disrupting a plot and how that compares to other law enforcement means. And critically: did any of the attendees even encounter the culprits!? You suggest that the training failed because “Farook was a state employee and would have interacted with other state officials on a daily basis.” But you give no indication that his state official colleagues attended the aforementioned training or even had interactions with the guy!
I see you have now attached a single page document. I guess this is slightly better than nothing!
Those “potential indicators of radicalization to violence” are almost common sense these days and should not be just dismissed by saying they “don’t work.” The problem is that they are imperfect. You could meet several of those indicators but not go down a path of murder.
The trouble here is using statistical correlations for definitive purposes. Statistically speaking, the chances of success are very slim. We would need other invasive methods, and they are probably on the way.
Meanwhile, what’s going on is good business. It is keeping a team of security experts employed and ready for action should any of our friends in the Middle East need them.