Howard Dean is the latest in a string of Hillary Clinton supporters to charge that Bernie Sanders is wrong to support a single-payer health care plan. The former chairman of the Democratic National Committee claimed on MSNBC last night that Sanders’ reform might result in “chaos” because “trying to implement it would in fact undo people’s health care.” Dean added, “That is something people should be concerned about.”
Dean, a longtime supporter of single-payer, seemed to be changing his tune, a point made by host Chris Hayes during the segment.
This evolution of Dean, known within many circles for his spirited critique of the Iraq War during the 2004 Democratic primary, comes as he has settled into a corporate lobbying career.
Dean, though he rarely discloses the title during his media appearances, now serves as senior advisor to the law firm Dentons, where he works with the firm’s Public Policy and Regulation practice, a euphemism for Dentons’ lobbying team. Dean is not a lawyer, but neither is Newt Gingrich, who is among the growing list of former government officials and politicians that work in the Public Policy and Regulation practice of Dentons.
The Dentons Public Policy and Regulation practice lobbies on behalf of a variety of corporate health care interests, including the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a powerful trade group for drugmakers like Pfizer and Merck.
In 2009, Dean praised single-payer while speaking on Democracy Now, calling the idea “by far the most economically efficient system.” That’s because, as Dean noted at the time, a Medicare-for-all style single-payer system would cut down on bureaucratic overhead and do a better job at controlling prices. An analysis by University of Massachusetts at Amherst professor Gerald Friedman found that the single-payer plan introduced into the last Congress, for instance, would save $592 billion, while expanding coverage to all uninsured Americans, regardless of ability to pay. Over 95 percent of households would see higher after-tax income because of the cost controls and elimination of insurance premiums.
Incumbent health care interests, particularly drug companies and insurers, have long viewed single-payer as a threat to their business model. Health insurance lobbyist strategy memos that were leaked from a source to veteran journalist Bill Moyers reveal a sophisticated effort to undermine public support for single-payer policies and to discredit Michael Moore’s Sicko, a movie that sharply criticizes the inequities and price-gouging of the American health care system. One slide discusses the need to use town halls and special forums to shape the Democratic primary debates in 2008 and peel away support for the reforms proposed in Sicko, while another calls for pundits to appear on television and denounce Moore as harmful to the Democratic Party.
After Dean began working in the lobbying industry, he gave a talk about how to navigate the post-Citizens United campaign finance world. “I’ve advised a lot of clients in the industries that I usually end up working with, which are mostly health care industries, not to give any money to either side, or if you do, give it to both sides because politicians really don’t know much about the issues,” Dean said. “But they remember the ads, and they remember who was on whose side and who wasn’t, and it makes a big difference.”
Dean’s advice for health care companies to give to both parties was given during a gathering convened by McKenna, Long & Aldridge, the law and lobbying firm that was one of many firms to merge last year with Dentons.
In 2015, Dentons also announced a merger with Dacheng, an influential Chinese law firm, forming the largest law firm in the world. The unusual arrangement provides Chinese state-owned firms that were clients of Dacheng access to the resources of Dentons, and American clients of Dentons help with understanding the Chinese system by tapping into Dacheng’s stable of attorneys.
Top photo: Howard Dean speaks at a health care reform rally on June 25, 2009, on Capitol Hill.
Howard Dean is a disappointment.
ELECTION 2016
Bernie Sanders Releases ‘Medicare for All’ Single-Payer Health Plan
Democratic candidate’s plan would be funded in part with taxes on workers, employers
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-releases-medicare-for-all-single-payer-health-plan-1453078558?tesla=y
Which will be more than offset by elimination of health insurance premiums. That’s a little inconvenient fact that the WSJ, HRC and, apparently you, seem to ignore.
“YEAHHH!”
Sanders great job on the debate tonight! Sanders is a leader who speaks the truth. Before anything else happens this criminal bribery system needs to be stopped. Hillary Clinton takes over 600,000 in speaking fees from wall street,and she is not bought? -get real—Sanders was debating the corporate media,more than his two challengers—-Sanders did a great job staying focused and dealing with all the stupid questions.—–Anytime a real debate starts to happen the “reporters” change the subject or go to commercial?
Sanders says he’s ‘very healthy’ amid reports that Clinton ally is seeking medical records | By John Wagner – The Washington Post [Jan 17, 2016]
[Excerpt]
In response to the Politico report, Sanders sent out a fundraising appeal late Saturday in which his campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, called [David] Brock’s reported plans “one of the most desperate and vile attacks imaginable.”
“They are insinuating Bernie is too old and unhealthy to be our next president,” Weaver said. “Let me be very clear with you: Bernie is in excellent health. But this personal attack is another example of sickness in our democracy when it is so easy for millionaires and billionaires to buy up candidates and elections.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/17/sanders-says-hes-very-healthy-amid-reports-that-clinton-ally-is-seeking-medical-records/
Two snakes moderating the debate this evening. Watch your back, Senator Bernie Sanders! Flashbacks … 360 … corrupted.
He can join Kay Hagan at the gallows.
Lee Fang … 99% :-) Thank you!
[Excerpt]
“I’ve advised a lot of clients in the industries that I usually end up working with, which are mostly health care industries, not to give any money to either side, or if you do, give it to both sides
[»»»»»] because politicians really don’t know much about the issues,” [Howard] Dean said. “But they remember the ads, and they remember who was on whose side and who wasn’t, and it makes a big difference.” [«««««]
My response: LOL!!!
Jan 23 is National March for Bernie day! Look at all these marches!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/41cbi0/jan_23_is_national_march_for_bernie_day_look_at/
Real Change #2 | Bernie Sanders
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=SOh1IwK4cKM
So Dean is just another corporate-Democrat sellout. Big deal; there’s an endless supply of them. These disgusting traitors are working against us, and it’s a waste of time to even consider them.
She thought it we were trying to realize the the Harry Truman dream of bombing any and everything all the time….
Sherrod Brown aint no slouch either. He’s as progressive as they come. Bernie wants to undo and throw out the health care system we have now and start over. Practically speaking, that’s ridiculous.
Are you going to throw under the bus anybody who doesn’t toe the line for Bernie? When Elizabeth Warren endorses Hillary, will you turn your backs on her, too? That’s the problem with liberals: purity tests and lack of true solidarity. Solidarity on your terms only is not solidarity.
“Bernie wants to undo and throw out the health care system we have now and start over.” ???
Practically speaking, that STATEMENT is ridiculous, and anyone who honestly believes it is an idiot. Exactly how is extending Medicare coverage to everyone “throw[ing] out the health care system we have now and start[ing] over”?
In large part, the “health care system” we have now is not a health CARE system at all. It is a health profit system, where corporations profit of the misery and misfortune of the citizenry.
I used to think highly of this man. Turns out he’s just as callow and disgusting as any other sellout.
In my Country we have a Socialist that comes around at Christmas and gives all good children presents . we call him Santa
In my Socialist country all citizens have free heath care , works great too !
Single payer health care administered by the government (AKA Medicare
for ALL) is the single and only solution for a fair and equitable solution to
this problem, and it’s more efficient and less expensive than paying health
insurance giants to extract rents, but add no value.
God created humans in his image: For Sale!
Dean is a lot like Obama. They are like those multiple personality types in which the various personalities don’t know each other.
Is there anyone, anyone at all, who won’t whore themselves?
Go up to a whore and say that.
It’s 2015. Find another way of saying what you are saying. There are worse things in the world than sex work, puritan. Selling out values and people is so much worse that it’s ridiculous to even use this word.
Is fact-checking even a thing anymore in journalism? Your own link to the 2009 Democracy Now! interview shows that Dean didn’t support single payer — he supported putting a public option into the ACA. He literally says he is not a supporter of single payer. He didn’t support single payer during his 2004 campaign, either, for that matter. Back then, he proposed expanding Medicaid and incentivizing employers to cover employees and families.
I’d like to know more about this, because looking it up I find support for the interpretation. Here’s one from the activist website “Single Payer Action”, July 22 2009, about that interview, which had just happened:
[i]Dean told Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman last week that Obama’s public option plan is best thought of as Medicare or single payer.
“For the average American, they should best think of it as Medicare,” Dean said.
According to Dean, under the Obama plan, the American people will have a choice to opt into a single payer system.
“Look, you decide for yourself,” Dean said. “We’re going to allow people under sixty-five to sign up for what people over sixty-five have. And you make the choice.”
Dean said that the Obama plan will give Americans the choice “between whether they would like a single payer for themselves and their families or whether they would not.”[/i]
The same article went on to say that Dean was lying about Obamacare, i.e. that it would NOT provide Americans with anything like single payer.
So…..maybe Dean didn’t outright “support” single payer, but did he maybe use the appeal of single payer as a selling point for a non-single-payer system? Seems like a close shave to me.
I never trusted Dean.
The better practices is to not trust any politician. With a very few exceptions, they are all whores and unprincipled opportunists.
Now he’s part of the bureaucratic
Someone who opposes single-payer is actively working to ensure the death, misery and impoverishment of millions of fellow citizens in order to enrich a cruel and corrupt industry in return for a tiny fraction of the money they make by preying upon people. Think of what that says about this man.
You can tell him “Screw you” as I did on his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Howard-Dean-34668722504/?fref=ts
Ended my The Nation subscription when they endorsed this guy instead of Kucinich at the time.
Exactly the reason why our entire residential community no longer support the party formerly known as Democrats.
Dean’s view is to be expected. At the DNC he was Wasserman-Schultz before Wasserman-Schultz. Just another DINO that sold his butt to the healthcare industry.
I couldn’t figure out why Dean is supporting Hillary but all is becoming clear. The Democratic Party has been taken over by liberals who sold out while the GOP has been taken over by fascists who have sold out. Great choice unless Bernie wins.
#WallStDemDean! Another Wall St Dem Selling Out The People For Money!
Gross
Just like Hillary, Dean is on a sinking ship that is on the wrong side of history.
I had no idea that:
1 Dean is on tv saying this stuff
2 Dean is tied to this lobbying group
3 Dean’s hypocritical turnabout can be so easily demonstrated just by juxtaposing his statements from 6 years ago
Thanks Lee Fang!
A thousand thanks to Mr. Fang for an incredible article, although no surprise to this reader.
I recall when Dean was running for the prez and a friend who was promoting him was aghast when I stated that I would never vote for him, he struck me as a fraud and a liar.
Dean would mention his brother — who went missing in Southeast Asia at the height of all the wars going on there — in his speeches, giving the impression that he was either a soldier or humanitarian volunteer of some sort, not a crazoid who decided to take a hiking trip through multiple war zones where round eyes weren’t too appreciated at that moment!
No, like all the faux crats out there (Bill Clinton made HOW much money lobbying for the offshoring of jobs? Chelsea made HOW much money at McKinsey & Co., helping to offshore American jobs? Hillary’s brother, Tony Rodham, made HOW much money as a lobbyist for the jobs-offshoring industry? Hillary Clinton made HOW much in political donations from the Indian jobs-offshoring firm, the Tata Consultancy?) eventually you’ll spot the stinkers!
Lobbying has proven itself to be mostly a criminal activity where corporations buy politicians to get around our often hard fought laws and regulations. It’s time to ban this corrupt practice and send the lobbyists packing. We also need some strong laws to end the revolving door practice.
Wow! It’s true that everyone has a price.
Wow. Everyday when I think it could not get any worse it does.
Maybe “Two Americas” John Edwards can get in on this?
it’s all about greed profits. overpriced medication health insurance…regardless of the cost of manufacturing of any and all medication..
All respect lost
Whoever pays the piper, calls the tune. This is definitely a strike-out for Howard Dean, whom I previously considered to be a decent and ethical person.
They’re all bought and paid for. Fucking useless.
Fee, fi, faux, fum, Dean can be bought for a tidy sum.
Another Democrat, another former Chair of the DNC who just doesn’t get it. I have been forced to register as a Democrat in order to vote for Bernie Sanders but I look forward to the day when 1) Bernie’s people take control of this corrupt group or 2), the day when I can switch my status back to I independent.
please stick around and help us remake the party.
If Dean works as a lobbyist for the “health care” industry, then IDENTIFY HIM AS SUCH. Ask him how much he gets paid, and what would happen to his boss if Bernie becomes president and enacts what 80% of all Democrats want, SINGLE PAYER.
The fact that you (the corporate media) do not identify him as a paid spokesperson for the status quo is another nail in your coffin.
Did you not read the article?
“This evolution of Dean … comes as he has settled into a corporate lobbying career.”
Corporate lobbying = “paid spokesperson,” yes?
It’s MSNBC who mislabeled Dean as ‘Political Analyst’ instead of the more accurate ‘Corporate Shill’.
Howard was such a sell-out.
No Way!! In big pharmaceutical companies pockets and doesn’t support a single payer? No way!!!
As long as we respect the edicts of a criminal election system, we are going to be electing scum like Dean into office. Our election system has been compromised by the oligarch’s, and they have basically installed a backdoor into the most powerful offices in our administration…and beyond.
Funny how the media is hiding all this. Howard Dean has been a health care lobbyist for a long time. Can’t trust a word of him against Sanders
Yes, it’s never been disclosed once that I’m aware of, and he probably appears at least once daily on MSNBC, or so it seems.
By the same token, in all of his appearances on MSNBC defending Clinton’s Wall St. donors, MSNBC has never once disclosed that Barney Frank is a bankster now.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/06/17/barney-frank-yes-that-barney-frank-joins-a-bank-board/
MSNBC has finally fully embraced Fox’s standard of journalistic ethics.
This fits both Hayes and Dean:
shill.
[SHil]
NOUN
1. an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.
VERB
1. act or work as a shill.
What is most interesting is the role of the corporate media in concealing the fact that Howard Dean is a lobbyist for the medical establishment. This is important because he has been in the media quite frequently and introduced as a supporter of Hillary Clinton. Not to inform the public of his fact is a lie of omission.
I agree. A lie of omission.
This to me is the core of the problem: The electorate is intentionally misinformed. To acknowledge Dean as a Hillary supporter without also acknowledging his source of income is a sign that the editorial content is controlled by someone in a much higher position than the interviewer.
HDean should be on Sanders side. Period.
He sold his soul to the Devil when he sought and received the Chairmanship of the DNC…
How can Dean be on Sanders’ side
when Sanders is on Dean’s side?
If Sanders wasn’t a democrat, he might be able to
get on his own (stated) side.
Oh. This again. Label obsession.
If the choice is between a “Democrat” who behaves more like a Republican, and an independent who behaves more like a real Democrat, I’ll take the latter choice, every time. If you’re judging the values of the Democratic Party based on the behavior of the “Third Way” corporatists who have been in control for the past 25 years, well there’s your problem. The solution is to take back the Democratic Party…for actual Democrats.
Mystic Mike, remember who the last person who tried to do that? The one who called the “third way ” Democrats of the DLC “the Republican arm of the Democratic Party”?
That would be Howard Dean.
Working within that corrupted Party, as Dean (and many others) gives evidence to, changes those working within it, rather than changing the party.
Time to face reality and make a break. You should look into Jill Stein.
But he’s not.
He’s not and the other Dem senator is not, and the last two Dem governors are not for Bernie. They’re for Hillary. THINK about why and what that means.
The fight over health care plans between Dean and Sanders is decades long. Sanders has always been straightforward in advocating single payer while Dean has supported various convoluted plans that enrich insurance companies. When Dean announced that he was the candidate of the progressive wing of the party back when he first ran for potus in 2000, that was news to everyone in Vermont because for most of his political career he was indistinguishable from the republicans in the state.
Oh, this clears up the recent statements from Howard Dean. I usually take “sell-out” to be figurative. But it Dean’s case, he’s literally been handed money to change his principles. Scratch one person off of my respected-politicians list.
I dunno. I feel for Dean. He was destroyed in the 2004 cycle by secret big Dem money and that whole contrived yell. One of the public faces in the Dem party which destroyed him was Obama’s first press secretary. He went onto chairman of the party and came up with a 50-state strategy which energized the base. And when Obama won, he was nowhere to be seen–I mean literally like he went into a black hole election night. Instead Emmanuel was seen as the great man behind Dem victories. And we know what Rahm’s strategy did for the policies and fabric of the party. Totally kicked to the side by all the major Dem players and groups. Is it any wonder to secure his financial future, he went with probably great disillusionment to the Dark Side.
Okay, okay, I get your drift, however many of us held H. Dean to a higher level than a shill for Big Pharma. No respect for this once respected person.
I admire your empathetic urge (I’m not being sarcastic!),
but I wish Dean had taken his sweet revenge on the Democratic Party bigwigs instead of, say, everyone else in the USA. But there’s no money in taking sweet revenge on the Democratic Party bigwigs, and I have to conclude he is not worth feeling sorry for.
I don’t have health care under Obamacare. It is too expensive for me so I pay the penalty. I want single payer health care like they have in Europe.
It’s probably not too expensive for you, you’ve chosen to spend your money on other things. But if you want single-payer, you better be working hard to get Bernie elected.
Perhaps he meant it was too expensive to use if he got it. Last I looked into it, it would take about 10% of my $12/hr income, and if I had to use it, I would be facing $5000 deductable, after which I would be covered for 80% of costs, if I recall the numbers correctly.
Just as the good Doctor Jill Stein stated when arguing against it in its former incarnation as RomneyCare, it will not lower medical bankruptcies at all (and the data was in and she was proven to be correct before Obama rebranded this handout to the insurance agencies).
If you think Bernie could get elected, you apparently do not understand the undemocratoc nature of the Democrat party. They have rigged the game with superdelegates so that, no matter who the rank and file vote for in the primaries, the Establishment always wins.
In the general elections, I will be boting for Jill Stein, because my conscience will not let me give active support to someone, like Bernie, who thinks that massacres of children by a colonial occupation is just hunky dory.
Howie, stfu…. remember when you said this: ‘You Cannot Win if You Are Afraid’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-dean-rips-democrats-you-cannot-win-if-you-are-afraid/
Et tu Howard Dean, et tu? Sad to see, but once again proves an old adage. You can’t make someone understand, what his paycheck requires him not to.
Hey, everyone the DFA-Democracy For America endorsed Bernie Sanders runned by Jim Dean. Jim and Howard are Brothers. Howard Dean founded the DFA. Isnt this fact a remarkable coincidence. Jim Dean is in fact on Bernies side. Howard is working on Hillarys campaign. Bernie is leading in all polls in all 50 states. Largest reason is he is the only candidate that tells the truth on all issues. He doesnt flip flop like everyone else. He has more experience to be President than Hillary or any of the Republicans. People who really want change will vote for Bernie. Or ones ones who dont i guess wants politics as usual. Bernie 2016 all the way to the White House!
Tells the truth on all issues??? You can’t be serious
When the superdelegates elect Hitlery over the will of the people, giving lie to the democratic nature of the Democrat party, will you wake up and vote for Jill Stein?
When has Bernie told the truth about Palestine?
But, if Bernie is the actual will of the people, and all those people write him in, he will win, no? Please advise ….
Of course he does. Because he is feeling the BERN!
“Another protester has crossed the line, to find the monies on the other side!”
Green Day
#feelthebern
…And this would, actually, be the reason I’m not voting for Sanders. Now that he’s a Democrat, a decade (or less) down the line he’ll likely do EXACTLY what Howard Dean did. Change his tune completely. It’s the only plank in the Democratic campaign that is anything near load-bearing at this point.
Bernie has been fighting for the same platform since the beginning of his political career decades ago. He is known and regarded for his consistent message and consistent voting record. To suggest that he would flip flop like Howard Dean in the future is to suggest that he will totally forsake decades of campaigning for a single payer system. To vote against Bernie because you think he will change his tune on health care in a decade is nonsensical.
Baloney.
Your assessment is only true if you limit your
evaluation/prediction to his words about healthcare.
On numerous occasions, Sanders has opposed things
(especially foreign entanglements)
which, when the time comes to fund them, he supports it.
His belief in the democrats is a form of hypocrisy.
He’s had the last 40+ years to flip flop or be swayed by corporate gain. His entire platform is based on changing the effect that lobbyists have on elections and legislation. How the hell do you infer that just because he is running as a Democrat he would forsake everything he has built his political career on? I suggest doing a little bit of research before throwing out baseless accusations and assumptions
And Bernie has run as a Democrat, instead of a losing 3rd party ticket, because he actually wants to get elected and will change the Democratic party from within. He is not beholden to corporate donors because he is refusing to take their money. He is beholden to working people and he will continue to engage and unite us so we CAN actually, finally, move our country back to more progressive, people friendly policies instead of pandering to the donor class.
40+ years…
Is this the difference I should focus on when thinking about all the similar rationales presented for voting for Barack Obama seven years ago? The difference is that Bernie Sanders is old, and Obama was young, and therefore unreliable?
Frankly, I don’t believe that a member of either wing of the corporate party can be relied on for anything they say – ever. That’s from *my* experience over the past 40 years.
As far as research goes, I’ve done plenty, and I don’t find Bernie Sanders to be anything close to the “Socialist” he claims to be, and much more of an imperialist than any of his supporters would care to recognize.
What ridiculous reasoning. First, Bernie has a proven record of not changing his tune and is able to do this because he has consistently refused to resort to getting money from such sources as the private insurance industry and big pharma. Second, if you support a Medicare for All reform, WHO is your alternate choice?
As was already pointed out, he has a long history of voting against war, then voting to find it.
One thing he has been consistent on, however, is always supporting the genicidal policies of the colonial settler state of Israel.
I will be supporting the same candidate I supported in 2012, Dr. Jill Stein. She has been a strong supporter of single payer, cutting military spending, taxing Wall Street, and ending aid to human rights abusers for a long time.
Ask Sanders if he would support invoking the Lehy Law (which bans any transfer of arms to countries suspected of Human Rights abuses). No new legislation needed for this, all he would have to do is enforce existing law, and suddenly we no longer give arms to Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or Columbia. Watch the facade of integrity fall at this question.
Gee, exactly, Sanders has a proven record of not changing his tune…
….right up until he does. Same with Dean. Same with Obama.
So who are you voting for?
Just Kidding, that’s terrible logic. Everyone knows Sen. Sanders will save the country, then disappear into a pile of dust on the last day of his second-term, a legend for our children to be told – The man who gave himself for US.
I’ve noticed one thing that unites various incredibly dumb posts – such as this one from Christopher – from across the political spectrum about this nomination process:
The “I Know The Future” bit.
Utterly reliable predictions masquerading as arguments in the here and now.
A nation of Criswells, Carnac the Magnificents, and Jeanne Dixons, visiting a thread near you, to Tell You How It’s Gonna Be.
Don’t get your hopes up, these guys can See The Future. They are Utterly Reliable.
So, I’m curious. If Sanders loses the primary and endorses Clinton for President, that leaves you… where, exactly?
Oh, I’d be voting for Jill Stein of course, in the sincere hope that enough other Sanders supporters vocally and publicly refuse to support Hillary Clinton to the point that our refusal costs her the election, come hell or high water. And then not wimp out over the next four years while crybaby sell-out centrist democrats complain about how we “owed” Hillary our votes. Too bad. Maybe in 2020 you will wise up, or we can do this again.
Yeah., that’s my firm answer. I don’t pretend to speak for other Sanders supporters.
Did you think you had “gotten me” or something, Christopher? I don’t follow Bernie Sanders, I just would like to vote for him for president. I also don’t expect him to fall on his sword for us, and I wouldn’t blame him a bit for endorsing HRC. And I also won’t support HRC for anything under any circumstances.
Got it?
A single payer advocate for decades. I am not surprised by this latest purchase of Howard Dean. It is only through misinformation and obfuscation of facts that Single Payer has not really become part of the conversation about the medical industrial complex. Thank you Lee Fang and The Intercept for keeping journalism alive in an era of corporate media. You are one of my go to sources of fact based reporting – Thank you!
Great work as always Lee.
I found a slight grammatical error…
‘the last Congress, for instance, would have save $592 billion,’
should be “saved”
Howard Dean…what a turd.
I find it amazing that when dollars start to flow then people become less progressive with their views. #FeelTheBern2016
With all due respect to Bernie Sanders, for whom I have tremendous respect when it comes to domestic issues, this turn about by Howard Dean is just one more illustration of the fundamental alignment of the democrat and republican wings of the Party: serving the interests of the corporate state above those of the individual citizens. Supporting Bernie, admirable though it might seem, is a fool’s errand, because as we have seen over and over again he democrat rank and file will not support any progressive programs put forth, either from their ranks or from the president.
After the 2008 election the democrats had as clear a mandate as is imaginable to make fundamental changes, owned the White House and both chambers of Congress, yet failed to fulfill any of the promises made during the campaign. Their crowning achievement, the ACA, is so fundamentally flawed that only a knee-jerk supporter could laud it. Given their performance, who could possibly believe that any one individual could turn around the democratic wing and turn them into a genuine political party?
The only solution for those who wish to restore the focus of our government to the issues affecting the people, as opposed to the big money, is to vote for third party candidates. Personally, I support Jill Stein and the Green Party with my contributions and my vote.
Howard Dean and Hillary Clinton are not rank and file democrats, they are the democratic elite. The democratic rank and file are us. We are the ones driving the change. Over one million contributors and counting. A fools errand is giving up and giving in. We have a good opportunity here, and your support matters. If Bernie Sanders doesn’t make the nomination, I’m voting Jill Stein with you. But until then, I’m registering and voting for the primary and voting for Bernie Sanders. You should too, even if you plan to vote Green in the general election regardless. It can’t hurt, and it’s good to have a back-up option. Think of it this way. If for some reason Jill Stein doesn’t win the General, who would you rather her lose to? Might as well vote in the Primary, just for the hell of it?
Typical Clintonian triangulating fakery.
It does make a huge difference if you do not support
an opposition party in the primaries.
By the time of the November election, the supporters
of the democrat corruption machinery will
reduce access for those who represent REAL opposition
to the corporate parties.
You have a chance to see a once in a lifetime candidate, like Bernie Sanders, who can actually WIN and you are going to throw away a vote for Jill Stein as a protest? Protest what? You CAN vote for Bernie Sanders in the PRIMARY and IF he loses (which he won’t), then you can vote for Jill.
Just what they said to me in 2008 when I voted for Ralph Nader, and again in 2012 when I voted for Jill Stein. Well, in retrospect it appears that it was not me, but rather my accusers, who voted for “Hope” and “Change” instead of for a concrete program.
I am not voting for Jill Stein as a protest, but rather because of the confluence of our positions on the issues that matter most to me, like social justice, peace, and the environment. You knee jerk democrats just don’t get it: the Democratic party is dead, replaced by a fascist-oriented, me-too political organization that is not fundamentally different from the like organization that passes itself off as the Republican party to people not wholly unlike yourself.
I’m sure similar things were said before FDR. Change can happen very quickly and it doesn’t stop at the White House door. Most people supporting Bernie aren’t the knee-jerk Dems you’re referring to either, so … there’s that. Your fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening. A Democratic party realignment is not only possible, it’s within reach, and here you are throwing it away. Vote for Stein, I did in 2012, they still have no infrastructure and now power, because all they do is run a Pres candidate every 4 years, wipe their hands and say job well done, we fought the good fight. Whoopie….
Ah, what sweet naivete.
You seem to be deluded into thinking that the Democrat party actually upholds democratic principles. How quaint.
See, the Democrat party realized some time ago that there was a possibility of an indurgency like the one Bernie is spearheading, and rigged the game by including “superdelegates”. These are Party Apparatchiks who are not elected by the people, but appointed by the party’s puppeteers. Their sole purpose is to ensure that no matter what the voters want, the Establishment always wins.
So, when Bernie loses (which he will, even if he wins every primary), will you have the integrity to vite for Jill Stein?
I usually vote 3rd party for prez, and I’m supporting Bernie Sanders. It’s way more fun than usual, too, at the very least on the basis of watching the sweat beads form on the foreheads of the hacks in the Democratic Party and the media, and also all the people who gave up on everything ages ago and now do nothing but live in fear of Bad Republicans.
In fact though, and I never say things like this about politicians – I like Bernie Sanders, I do. I like what he says, I like the way he handles the press and critics and keeps people focused on class issues. I believe he will do more good things than bad things if he is president, even on questions of American empire, where I agree he will probably sometimes disappoint me.
If he does not get the nomination, I will vote Green…but with a sense of boredom about it since I’ve been doing this since the 90s. It may not be fair of me but I do think the Green Party could have accomplished a bit more culturally in 20 years — just being out of power isn’t enough. But I’m not sure I have any right to say this, and am more than open to considering criticism of this point.
I am not a believer in supporting-3rd-parties-just-because-the-main-2-are-corrupt, by the way.
The main reason why 3rd parties have “integrity” is because they don’t wield power. If they ever did wield power, then the corrupt would get interested in them.
There’s no escaping this dynamic. You can pretend that you will get a clean slate by bringing another party to power, but you are going to get the same problems you complain about in a different form.
I, too, will be voting for Sanders in the Primaries (if I am able to, which is uncertain as I will be moving to a different state in Spring.) However, this will not be done under the delusion that he has a chance to win the primary, but to enhance the point that the Superdelegate system that has been set up by the Orwellianly named Democratic Party is a subversion of Democracy.
Unless the Green Party forsakes its foundational pledge to mot take Corporate Cash, however, they, by design, are fairly well insulated from the corruption that is otherwise inevitable.
Also, with the pending lawsuit asking the courts to require the FCC to adhere to the law, when it comes to debates (which are to be non-partisan, rather than bi-partisan, according to the letter of the law) -a lawsuit being backed not only by the Green and Libertarian Parties, but also by a Billionaire that is trying to get Bloomberg to run as an Independant, the possibilities of ending the monopoly of the Corporate Party with Two Faces suddenly would become wide open.
If you have ever seen Dr Jill Stein speak, or engage in a debate, then I am sure that you can imagine her versus Hitlery, Trump, and whatever smarmy prick the Libertarians decide on. Jill will run circles.
Some good points there, John. I’ll try to catch a Stein speech some time.
why is it not mandatory for surrogates for candidates who are speaking on a subject as is the case with dean to be held responsible for telling the truth about their connections to any conflict of interests…that needs to be part of a journalists responsibility to make sure that happens…….it did not happen in this case…just more fuel for the fire that is burning down mass media….its bias is so last millenium
Because according to court rulings, lying and misrepresentation are protected as free speech. Don’t believe that? Then look at today’s New York Times, and check out the story about Elven Joe Swisher, who won the right to wear the Purple Heart and Silver Star medals even though he was not awarded them for being wounded or valor in combat, respectively. The judge ruled that his wearing of the medals was an expression of speech, guaranteed under the Constitution. Read about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/ex-marine-can-wear-medals-he-didnt-earn-a-court-calls-it-free-speech.html?module=WatchingPortal®ion=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=thumb_square&state=standard&contentPlacement=11&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2016%2F01%2F14%2Fus%2Fex-marine-can-wear-medals-he-didnt-earn-a-court-calls-it-free-speech.html&eventName=Watching-article-click&_r=0
Oh, by the way, I am in the market for a Medal of Honor, and a Medal of Freedom. Top prices paid!
It is not illegal in the US to pose as a decorated veteran unless it can be proven that it was personal monetary gain. The court simply upheld black letter law in this case, which is what courts do.
Thanks, Lee! For those interested the lead segment on Chris Hayes’ show last night was also related and Bern’s actual response to Clinton campaign attacks on his health care vision.
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/sanders-responds-to-clinton-health-care-attacks-601483843690
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“Freedom of Speech, in my view does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government … What world are the five conservative Supreme Court justices living in? To equate the ability of billionaires to buy elections with ‘freedom of speech’ is totally absurd. The Supreme Court is paving the way toward an oligarchic form of society. in which a handful of billionaires like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson will control our political process.” – Sen. Bernie Sanders.
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Senator Bernie Sanders is the most intelligent candidate running for president. He has over 30 years experience in fighting for ordinary working Americans. Bernie is also the most honest and authentic candidate. His health care plan is predicted to save each American $1200 a year plus in insurance and pharmaceutical drugs savings. Bernie received the highest congressional award in his fight for veterans from the VFW. Check out Bernie’s record on you tube. Democratic (by the people Socialist (for the people) has nothing to do with socialism or communism so don’t be spooked. This country was built by socialist programs such as public schools, military, social security etc. Vote smart! Vote Bernie!
It may be just a wee bit over the top to characterize
ANY democrat or republican as “the most intelligent.”
How “intelligent” is it to join a corporate owned
political party which by and large opposes what you
SAY you want to do and then campaign in opposition
to the corruption which that party has been central to creating???
In essence, what Sanders is saying is that he is going to reverse
(or be the savior of)
a whole political party
(of which the vast majority of its insiders do NOT support him).
Voting in the primaries for Sanders means that you will
Not be supporting someone like Jill Stein –
who has the integrity of not trying to save a party
which promotes corporate corruption and warmongering.
I know I’m not being a “pragmatist” like all the corrupted
democrats and republicans,
but, golly gee, I just can’t let myself be THAT intelligent!
Even people that disagree with Bernie on issues knows he has integrity!
Bernie Sanders has the highest approval rating for any US Senator and why do you think that is? When farmers, seniors, small business owners in his state were asked why they support him they said because he puts their interests above Corporate interests! That speaks for itself.
I don’t care what they call their self if they don’t take super pac money, against TPP and Keystone (the entire time) fighting against any and all cuts to social security and veterans benefits, against endless wars, against Wall Street bail outs, against tax refunds to Corporations that don’t pay taxes, AND has a LONG RECORD of doing what they say then that is who I support and that is Bernie Sanders!
Ask Bernie about Palestine, then tell me he has integrity.
Would you accept “with the most integrity”?
No,
Because Sanders’ “integrity” is based upon what he
hasn’t been able to achieve while he has caucused
with the democrats and is also based on ignoring his
flip-flopping on foreign Pentagonal entanglements.
Sanders either knows and ignores the fact that Clinton’s
insider super-delgate endorsements from
“fellow democrats” are in the hundreds while
Sanders has 2 (other than himself – and at least one of those
has also endorsed Clinton) or
he isn’t as intelligent as so many believe.
Either way, the democrat machine is not supporting him
and that fact flies in the face of the delusion that he and
his supporters keep supporting when they could
support a real opposition movement.
The democrats are where good ideas go to be prevented from
developing while they pretend otherwise.
Howard Dean did an about-face on universal healthcare some time ago:
What a great plan Dean had, health coverage…until you get old and, you know…sick, then spin the wheel and hope you survive until you have a one in three chance to get your prescription benefits.
I’ve always found the argument “it won’t pass congress” to be the most hilarious argument. …Mr Dean, are you in favour of…well anything?…No, I’m in favour of nothing! Nothing will pass congress!!!
At least now Dean’s getting paid directly by the people who want Americans to continue suffering under inadequate health care. Can’t have the Republicans being the only ones profiting eh?
And, yesterday’s heroes all turn out to have clay feet in the end. This neither surprises nor startles me. They are only human; it’s we who make them something other than they are. But the next time someone assails the “fickle voter” I’m going to point to pieces like this one. Similarly, when someone wants to speculate on how little esteem in which the public holds its institutions. Ditto for those who decry the disengaged citizen/voter; the potential voter who will not be bothered to vote. The list of pols who have gone on to feather their nests, turning their backs on previously held positions in the process of doing so, is surely endless. But, no sentient human being can miss the implications for a democracy that strives ever forward to exclusively serve the interests of a very few at the expense of the rest.
Good assessment, but
PLEASE tell me where is this “democracy” you refer to
in your comment?
Are you talking about Denmark?
He’s sold out like Hellery…people like that are so transparent! Thank you Lee Fang for being a journalist!!
Watch the video.
Within the video two corporate owned fakers,
Hayes and Dean,
pretend to be debating the hypocrisy of another
corporate owned faker, Clinton.
Meanwhile, when Dean makes the lousy claim that this
is just politics and that Clinton is a “Pragmatist”,
the faker Hayes does NOT challenge that bogus assertion
AND
the underlying ASSumption of all of these fakers
is that Obama’s “Affordable Care Act” is a good thing.
Holding punches and misrepresentations are
the bread and butter
for these corporatized fakers.
To me they are simply TOOLS.
I love all your work, absolutely love it. But is there any chance you can dig into someone whom has not sold us out? Just an occasional story on a good politician or corporate officer, someone out there fighting the good fight in an impactful way? Or have they all been absorbed by the elite power morass?
Very good questions.
I would add that that person will not be found in association
with democrats or republicans.
They could start with Jill Stein, but I doubt that they believe
it would be worth it.
How anyone can still believe in the “Democratic” party is beyond my comprehension…
Bernie is the standard-bearer for our party now. Elizabeth Warren also comes to mind. The rest of the DINOs can kiss it.
Sanders is “change you can believe in” huh.