AMERICAN AND BRITISH INTELLIGENCE secretly tapped into live video feeds from Israeli drones and fighter jets, monitoring military operations in Gaza, watching for a potential strike against Iran, and keeping tabs on the drone technology Israel exports around the world.
Under a classified program code-named “Anarchist,” the U.K.’s Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, working with the National Security Agency, systematically targeted Israeli drones from a mountaintop on the Mediterranean island of Cyprus. GCHQ files provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden include a series of “Anarchist snapshots” — thumbnail images from videos recorded by drone cameras. The files also show location data mapping the flight paths of the aircraft. In essence, U.S. and British agencies stole a bird’s-eye view from the drones.
Several of the snapshots, a subset collected in 2009 and 2010, appear to show drones carrying missiles. Although they are not clear enough to be conclusive, the images offer rare visual evidence to support reports that Israel flies attack drones — an open secret that the Israeli government won’t acknowledge.“There’s a good chance that we are looking at the first images of an armed Israeli drone in the public domain,” said Chris Woods, author of Sudden Justice, a history of drone warfare. “They’ve gone to extraordinary lengths to suppress information on weaponized drones.”
The Intercept is publishing a selection of the drone snapshots in an accompanying article.
Additionally, in 2012, a GCHQ analyst reported “regular collects of Heron TP carrying weapons,” referring to a giant drone made by the state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries, known as IAI.
Anarchist operated from a Royal Air Force installation in the Troodos Mountains, near Mount Olympus, the highest point on Cyprus. The Troodos site “has long been regarded as a ‘Jewel in the Crown’ by NSA as it offers unique access to the Levant, North Africa, and Turkey,” according to an article from GCHQ’s internal wiki. Last August, The Intercept published a portion of a GCHQ document that revealed that NSA and GCHQ tracked weapons signals from Troodos, and earlier reporting on the Snowden documents indicated that the NSA targeted Israeli drones and an Israeli missile system for tracking, but the details of the operations have not been previously disclosed.
“This access is indispensable for maintaining an understanding of Israeli military training and operations and thus an insight to possible future developments in the region,” a GCHQ report from 2008 enthused. “In times of crisis this access is critical and one of the only avenues to provide up to the minute information and support to U.S. and Allied operations in the area.”
GCHQ documents state that analysts first collected encrypted video signals at Troodos in 1998, and also describe efforts against drones used by Syria and by Hezbollah in Lebanon.A 2009 document notes that “no tip-off exists for Hezbollah UAV [Unmanned Aerial Vehicle] activity;” apparently the spies had few signals that they were sure were associated with Hezbollah’s drone program. Another report recounts that Troodos had captured video from an Iranian-made drone flying out of a Syrian air force base in March 2012, resulting in “presidential interest in further samples of the Regime launching attacks upon the general populous [sic],” presumably referring to U.S. President Barack Obama, whose administration had first called for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step down the year before, a few months after his regime began a crackdown on Arab Spring protests. Indeed, also in March 2012, unnamed U.S. officials told the press that Assad had been supplied with Iranian drones.
But much of Anarchist’s focus was on Israel. The drone-watching documented in the GCHQ files covered periods of Israeli military offensives in Palestine, and also indicates that the intelligence agencies monitored drones for a potential strike against Iran.
The documents highlight the conflicted relationship between the United States and Israel and U.S. concerns about Israel’s potentially destabilizing actions in the region. The two nations are close counterterrorism partners, and have a memorandum of understanding, dating back to 2009, that allows Israel access to raw communications data collected by the NSA. Yet they are nonetheless constantly engaged in a game of spy versus spy. Last month, the Wall Street Journal reported that, although President Obama had pledged to stop spying on friendly heads of state, the White House carved out an exception for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other top Israeli officials. Michael Hayden, former head of the CIA and NSA, told the Journal that the intelligence relationship with Israel was “the most combustible mixture of intimacy and caution that we have.”
GCHQ and the Israel Defense Forces declined to comment. The NSA acknowledged receipt of an inquiry but did not respond to questions by the time of publication.
On January 3, 2008, as Israel launched airstrikes against Palestinian militants in Gaza, U.S. and British spies had a virtual seat in the cockpit.
Satellite surveillance operators at Menwith Hill, an important NSA site in England, had been tasked with looking at drones as the Israeli military stepped up attacks in Gaza in response to rockets fired by Palestinian militants, according to a 2008 year-end summary from GCHQ. In all, Menwith Hill gathered over 20 separate drone videos by intercepting signals traveling between Israeli drones and orbiting satellites. The NSA’s internal newsletter, SIDToday, enthusiastically reported the effort, noting that on January 3, analysts had also “collected video for the first time from the cockpit of an Israeli Air Force F-16 fighter jet,” which “showed a target on the ground being tracked.” Menwith Hill had worked “closely with a GCHQ site in Cyprus for tip-offs.”
In July 2008, GCHQ ordered Anarchist technicians to look for drones flying over a number of “areas of interest,” including the Golan Heights (a region of southwest Syria seized by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War), the occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Israel’s borders with Lebanon and Syria.
“Due to the political situation of the region there is a requirement for Israeli UAV operations in certain areas to be intercepted and exploited so that assessments can be made on what possible actions maybe [sic] taking place,” read the request, dated July 29, 2008. The memo asked for analysts to record and send video to GCHQ, along with ground plots showing where the drones had flown, and information about the signal.
Anarchist operators were able to snag the feeds of several different types of Israeli drones, according to an Intercept analysis of the snapshots and presentations from GCHQ summarizing Troodos achievements. The 20 snapshots identified by The Intercept in GCHQ files include several video stills clearly taken from Israeli drones, dating between February 2009 and June 2010.
According to one GCHQ presentation, technicians first collected signals from a Heron TP in February 2009. Intercepted images indicate that they also picked up video from other models and configurations of the Heron, and from the IAI Searcher drone. Another GCHQ presentation shows that by 2009, technicians had tapped into data from Hermes drones, manufactured by the Israeli company Elbit systems. In January 2010, Troodos reported that in the previous six months they had collected data from the Aerostar tactical drone and the Orbiter mini-drone, both made by the Israeli company Aeronautics.
In several snapshots of the Heron TP, there are objects under the wings that appear to be mounts for missiles or for other equipment such as sensors. In one image, from January 2010, a missile-shaped object is clearly visible on the left wing, while the mount on the right appears to be missing its load.
The Heron TP, which the Jerusalem Post described as “the drone that can reach Iran,” has an 85-foot wingspan — larger than that of the Reaper, the largest armed drone flown by the United States Air Force — and can carry a 1-ton payload. Israel recently reached an agreement to sell armed versions of the TP to India.
Israeli soldiers with an IAI Eitan, also known as the Heron TP, a surveillance unmanned air vehicle on display at Tel Nof Air Force Base near Tel Aviv, February 21, 2010.
Photo: Gil Cohen Magen/Reuters/Newscom
It has been widely reported that Israel launches attacks from the smaller Hermes 450s, although the GCHQ documents do not specify whether the Hermes drones recorded at Troodos were armed.
Reports surfaced of Israel launching missiles from drones in Gaza as far back as 2004, and more than a decade later, drones have become a fact of life for residents. Chris Cobb-Smith, a former British army officer who has investigated drone strikes in Gaza for human rights groups, said that “during periods of tension, you can seldom go outside without the buzz of drones overhead.” A Gaza City bar owner complained to the Washington Post in 2011 that drone patrols often interfered with his satellite TV signals. In 2014, the London Telegraph reported that 65 percent of Israel’s air combat operations were conducted by drones. Yotam Feldman, an Israeli filmmaker who made a documentary about Israel’s drone industry for Al Jazeera last year, said that he has been told the figure is even higher.
During Operation Cast Lead, a three-week Israeli offensive that began in December 2008, Human Rights Watch reported dozens of Palestinian civilian deaths from drone strikes. In diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, an Israeli commander told a U.S. State Department official that a “UAV fired two missiles” against militant operatives outside a mosque, and that shrapnel from the strike hit civilians.
Yet the Israeli government still maintains an official stance of secrecy (a tactic akin to the United States’ refusal to formally acknowledge its drone program until 2013, despite years of reporting and commentary on it). In sanctioned interviews, Israeli military personnel are careful to describe the drones they fly as being used for surveillance and marking targets for manned warplanes to strike. Aviation and defense bloggers are left speculating about blurred photos and industry rumors about how drones might be equipped with missiles. The Israeli media is subject to a strict censorship regime, and the military does not allow mention of armed Israeli drones, unless quoting foreign sources.
“Releasing full details about which munitions were used and how they were used can raise many other questions about these attacks — about the targets, about what the army calls collateral damage, about the command chain,” said Feldman, the Israeli filmmaker. “I think it is really the Israeli military throwing sand in the eyes of outside observers on Israeli strikes.”
The Anarchist images don’t show any drone strikes in action. It is not always clear from the images precisely where the drones were located, and it is thus impossible to tie the intercepts to specific attacks. A note on January 12, 2009, in the midst of Cast Lead, directs technicians “with the current situation … to keep a watch and report on where the majority of UAV flights are being conducted.” But the snapshots identified by The Intercept date from after Israel withdrew from Gaza in January 2009.
In several cases, the images were taken on the same day or just before reported Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, which continued after the ceasefire. For instance, on August 25, 2009, after months of relative quiet in the border area between Gaza and Egypt, Israel bombed a tunnel on the border, killing three Palestinians and wounding seven. That same day, Anarchist technicians at Troodos captured an Israeli drone signal.
Drones communicate with their controllers on the ground via satellite; the transmission to the home station is known as the “downlink.” The antennas at Troodos grabbed that downlink by finding the right frequency for each drone.
Drone feeds are vulnerable to interception not just from the NSA — even cheap, commercially available equipment can be used to get the downlink. In a 2009 article in Wired, a U.S. military official likened such interception to “criminals using radio scanners to pick up police communications.”
Indeed, in 2009, U.S. forces in Iraq discovered laptops with video from Predator drones in the hands of insurgents. It couldn’t have come as a total surprise — military officials had noted the vulnerability as far back as 1999, and a 2005 CIA report stated that one of Saddam Hussein’s technicians had likely “located and downloaded … unencrypted satellite feed from U.S. military UAVs.”
In 1997, Hezbollah killed 12 Israeli commandos in an ambush in Lebanon. It emerged years later that Hezbollah had plotted the ambush after intercepting unencrypted drone video. The revelation caused a scandal, and led the Israeli military and drone industry to invest “significant efforts to encrypt the transmission of UAVs to their ground bases,” said Ronen Bergman, an investigative journalist with the paper Yedioth Ahronoth, who is currently writing a book on Israel’s intelligence service, Mossad.
“The broadcast was supposed to be completely secure,” said Bergman. “If the NSA and GCHQ were able to crack that, it would come as a big surprise, and might well lead to the launch of an inquiry.”
Israel appears to have since expanded encryption across its drone fleet, and many of the feeds grabbed by the Troodos analysts were encrypted or scrambled, showing up like the black-and-white snow on a TV screen.
According to GCHQ Anarchist training manuals from 2008, analysts took snapshots of live signals and would process them for “poor quality signals, or for scrambled video.”
The manuals stated that video feeds were scrambled using a method similar to that used to protect the signals of subscriber-only TV channels. Analysts decoded the images using open-source code “freely available on the internet” — a program known as AntiSky. The attack reconstructed the image by brute force, allowing intelligence agents to crack the encryption without knowing the algorithm that had been used to scramble the video.
Even when fully decoded, the images are of varying quality, often grainy, and often showing nothing but the sky or sun or the drone’s own landing gear nearing the runway.
The aim of the snapshots seemed to be simply to identify which signals belonged with which aircraft, weapon, or radar, and to demonstrate that the intelligence agencies had the capability to grab such snapshots if needed. “The computing power needed to descramble the images in near real time is considerable,” the Anarchist manual notes, but “it is still possible to descramble individual frames to determine the image content without too much effort.”
The GCHQ documents describe the mission against Israeli drones in broad terms. An “outbreak of hostilities between Israel and Hamas” occasioned the intelligence agency’s interest, and so did tension with Tehran. In reporting on flights of an armed Heron TP, a Troodos employee noted that “our ability to collect and track and report this activity is important for the initial detection and tip-off for any potential pre-emptive or retaliatory strike against Iran.”
A 2008 Anarchist memo also notes that “interest by the weapons community in Israeli UAV’s [sic] remains high,” because Israel “provide[s] many countries with their UAV’s” and is “developing large UAV’s capable of being deployed for a variety of purposes.” Another, also from 2008, describes the hunt to confirm whether a specific type of radar “has been mounted on any UAV platforms.” A GCHQ presentation listing “successes in 2009” at Troodos includes “UAV development Israel/India.”
Israel leads the world in drone exports, and capabilities Israel developed would soon be passed to other countries. Its companies aggressively market the potential attack capabilities of their aircraft. In September, India made arrangements to buy 10 armed Heron TPs. This month, Germany’s defense minister, Ursula von der Leyen, announced that the country would lease several TPs, citing the aircraft’s attack capabilities.
“This will be the standard in the future,” von der Leyen said.
By most accounts, Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Pakistan are the only countries known to have used drones for deadly attacks. But dozens of countries are believed to be developing armed drones, so that club likely won’t stay small for long.
It is described as the same procedure used for decrypting and unscrambling satellite video/audio streams, to watch satellite TV for free. (It is easy, plug & play, no big deal)
The operators of the drones maybe did not care so much that a few people could watch the video feeds. If they did they would have used a better option available to encode/encrypt the signal.
Is it legal? The signal could be protected by law in the country where it is broadcasted. You won’t have a problem when you decrypt the transmission in an other country
Let’s all DO keep in mind that Intel considers Israel, rightly, to be a hostile foreign power. In keeping with that assessment, that would also explain why the U.S. sends them $5Bn/yr (Afghanistan, Iraq, etc…). A proper Thank You would be appreciated some day, Bibi, you schlub. Besides, America has Haim Saban, Lloyd Blankfein and Sheldon Adelson handy to destroy our Democracy and enforce Israeli Exceptionalism, so drones are pretty much last on the list of worries. Chosen for what? Don’t ask.
Haim Saban supposes Barack Obama and Lolyd Blankfein hasn´t been saying anything important about Israel. Why these people destroys the American democracy? They are only rich and Jews.
Democrats have their own dirty tricks, have no doubt. They defend Obama’s record income inequality, wall street protection and trillions of bailout dollars, etc. by claiming “Obama Derangement Syndrome” implying that there is no possible thing to dislike about Obama and that if you do, you are mentally ill (or racist; they go there when all else fails). What again are the differences between the “parties” and their voters?
Snowden leaks are now going well beyond protecting American or British public from being spied on by their own governments. An is looking more like a Russian operation design to embarrassed the West.
Welcome to the midwifing of Skynet.
“Palestinian militants”? No, they’re freedom fighters.
The colonizers don’t get to decide who the militants are or whose violence is legitimate.
Neither do the “freedom fighters”.
The Arab-Muslim civilization has very little to do with freedom. For one to be a “Freedom Fighter”, one has to fight for freedom – not for Allah or other delusions.
But they don’t ask for freedom, there is no freedom in Gaza, no democracy, no freedom of speech nothing. So how can you call them freedom fighters?
Reality is complicated ! Give them a state then complain about how they manage it!
Hi.
I’m an Israeli. Had to respond to some of the stuff I read here…
I’ll start with the difficult stuff:
1. As for the attack on the Liberty, I can’t “backup” the Israeli claims automatically. It might have been on purpose. Might not. I don’t know. Personally, I fail to see an Israeli interest in deliberately attacking a US ship.
2. Regarding US aid: Americans tend to forget that Israel uses that money to BUY equipment from the US, so that’s american tax payer money coming back to Americans by sustaining US military industry and etc.. BTW – what about the US military aid to Egypt? Yeah, always blame Israel but overlook the exact same issues happening elsewhere.
3. Regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. 1st thing I want to say is that the current state IS occupation, and I oppose to it! Having said that, people confuse the order of events.
a. Palestine was sparsely populated with Jews and Arabs way back to the Ottoman empire. Sure, the overwhelming majority were Arabs, but still sparsely populated. Then Jews started arriving (~1900), they didn’t occupy anything, and then the conflict started. Arabs didn’t want the “new” outsiders and attempted to rid of them by force.
b. Then we had WW2, Holocaust, and the declaration of the state of Israel, which was immediately attacked by Arabs attempting to get destroy the new state.
c. They failed once and again, and on 67 Israel went on preemptive strike and then occupied a lot of territory. But it was “preemptive” since an additional war on Israel was imminent.
d. Then we occupied the territories. Now, fast forward to today. Lets see what happens:
1. Israel left Gaza. There was no siege for almost a year. Result: Hamas took over (by force) over the Gaza strip. Fatah Palestinian members were slaughtered and rocket/mortar attacks on Israel intensified. Is it due to occupation? False, it’s an ideology determined to destroy Israel. So THEN Israel started a siege.
2. Same thing will happen in the “occupied territories” today but it’s even more complicated. Palestinians work in Israel, they work in settlements. Everything is mixed, but if Israel will leave, Fatah will fall again, Abu Mazen and his government will be wiped out and we’ll get a 2nd Hamas state. Why? Because they just don’t want us here.
3. Solution? I don’t have any. But it’s sure not as black and white as people here portray it. Israel has a shitty government. Palestinians even more. It’ll be easy to “stop the occupation” and leave, but I can just imagine the chaos unfolding because of that and it gives me the shivers…
So to summarize the “cause and effect” issue: The occupation today is a result of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and it’s the not the other way around, that we have a conflict due to occupation and that if the occupation will end than we’ll have world peace..
If you read until here, thanks.
Sam.
Sorry, didn’t make it to the end of your Hasbara speech.
A false-flag attack is designed to make one country think another country attacked them, thereby inducing the attacked country to retaliate against the apparent attacker.
Read the stories written by the crew of the Liberty.
One possibility is the reported massacre of some 1,000 Arab prisoners by Israel while the Liberty was roughly 11 miles offshore. She was crammed with eavesdropping equipment.
Read the Declaration of Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.), the man charged with investigating the attack.
Maybe, maybe not. My point was that we’ll never know so what’s the point in mentioning it in the context of the this article?
“Maybe, maybe not”?
Did you read the declaration by Captain Boston in which he states he was ordered to cover-up the deliberate attack by Israel? The actual motive for the attack may be disputed but not the treachery of the attack. Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned life rafts; a clear war crime. The entire event was recorded by US AWAC planes. Cockpit records prove Israel knew who and what they were attacking with theirunmarked aircraft.
Do tell us, in context of this article, more of the Jewish struggle.
The conflict started just like that … how old are you? 12 or 13?
You can have the same events with 1000 witnesses, each one describing his point of view. And like I said, you might be correct, however, have you analyzed the AWAC recordings yourserlf? Have you been there? Have you been a senior in the army/politics at that time? No. You feed off the media just like me. And if everything is so clear, why is there still a dispute about the whole thing?
Regarding the jews… They bought land before the war. Nobody forced the Arab land owners to sell so I don’t get what you’re saying. Later on there was a war and land got occupied by force, but that what happens in wars…
Have it crossed you mind that making a judgement solely based on only the testimonies of one party involved, I don’t know… is lacking in objectivity? Especially considering that person in charge of the investigation belonged to the said party..? So, whilst myself by no means a military expert, I know of quite a few “friendly fire” incidents, which lacking the proper context and all the facts could be just easily unbelievable and suspicious as Liberty tragedy (including in IDF history). Take a look here, just for some perspective:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#Korean_War
Also, it’s important to remember that in 1967 the US-Israel relationships were not even remotely as close as they are today, which means precisely two things regarding the alleged USG cover-up – either there was none, there was simply no point; or the real purpose of Liberty activities was so embarrassing and damaging for USG to actually justify such a cover-up and prevent the truth being exposed during the investigation. Like for example, US political elites helping Arabs with intelligence against Israel in return to “oil favors” – just another conspiracy floating out there…
Wiki is sanitized.
Read the summary taken from the formal War Crimes Report filed with the Secretary of Defense.
You should redo your logic under the first #2. If we send money to you for nothing, then you send the money back in exchange for weapons, we are sending you weapons for free. That’s the point: Americans are getting more and more upset about propping up apartheid with our tax dollars.
So sell weapons to other countries who use them on more “humane” purposes. Or don’t sell at all and lose jobs. Everyone is sick of the occupation, but the minute Israel leaves the same thing that happened in Gaza will happen again. The Palestinian authority will collapse and we’ll get Hamas. Great solution..
Again, your economic logic is faulty. We do not create jobs by giving away weapons. We waste jobs by wasting resources we could have otherwise used elsewhere.
I have no idea what will happen if you and your countrymen pull out of occupied Palestine, but your certainty that you will get Hamas might have more to do with the refusal to grant Palestinians equal rights and less to do with not chaperoning them. Just a thought.
If Israel were truly “sick of the occupation,” it would be doing what it could to end the hostilities. Instead, Israel keeps stealing land and water, destroying crops, murdering civilians, etc.
And the only reason Gaza elects Hamas is that Israel makes sure to kill, jail, or brutalize any nonviolent protesters and leaders who appear in Palestine.
Nope. Shit continues in Gaza cause of radical Islam and extremist government. Give them money to rebuild Gaza and they rebuild tunnels and rockets. Israel retreated from Gaza and only after that Hamas overthrew Fatah government
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/behind-israel-s-campaign-vilify-peace-groups-968566518
Yep, the Shit continues in Occupied Palestine cause of radical Talmudism and extremist Bolshevik israeli government. Give them US tax money to rebuild stolen land and they bomb the native habitants with rockets. Israel encloses Gaza like a prison and that is the reason for ANY form of Hamas government. FREE PALESTINE…
Learn your facts. Gaza blockade started a year after Israel has FULLY withdrawn from the Gaza strip and as a response to nonstop rocket attacks on cities in southern Israel.
Learn your facts. http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
Learn Truth. And be set free from not only yourself…but the dying land you have occupied and are destroying. Israel lies are well documented and well known…so it is a matter of time before you either see the truth or die by it. The BLOOD on your hands make you guilty and you will reap what your judgement dictates.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/2 Pet 2:1-3
1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
3 and in {their} greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
(NAU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yVFVKlHCa0
Mandatory Palestine: The Palestinians before the British Mandate
Hmm.. Informative. Do you know what else is informative?
https://youtu.be/NX6vyT8RzMo
UN… Another fake bunch of killers. Funny how you depict Hamas the same as your lies about Hitler. I would be a neighbor any day, any time of the week to Hamas than your bloody, murderous, perverted POS fake entity that occupies, steals, lies, and deceives all day long. Your judgment doesn’t lay idle. You have never been able to stake any kind of cultural claim to Palestine. Your only culture is of perversion, darkness and death that has no fear of God.
The Greatest Story Never Told dot tv
The truth about the holocaust of the Germans during WWII
Every nation and organization mentioned in this article
share(s?) the exact same belief and use the same basic method
to display that belief.
They all believe THEY are the “exceptional” people and
they prefer to use devious and violent actions as their proof
of their exceptional state.
They can’t tolerate contemplating their similarities because
THAT would undermine their prideful religiosity
and raison d’etre.
This is the outline of patriarchal perversity and it is a global
disease.
Wow…
“The broadcast was supposed to be completely secure,” said Bergman. “If the NSA and GCHQ were able to crack that, it would come as a big surprise, and might well lead to the launch of an inquiry.”
Are you kidding me? They are doing it to see if it can be done and how often…the whole gamit. Israel knows all about it with the good tidings from their good ole pals. Anyone who believes that this is against the Bolshevik israeli’s is buying the notion that the Palestinians are never ever targeted, murdered in cold blood, and destroyed ruthlessly at the hands of them all and at the help of them all.
Their shame will come when their drones will be used against them…
Anyone for interception and re-target? GO FOR IT.
DRONE PHONE HOME…
Looking through the comments, it seems that a number of people, accustomed to the mainstream media, are having difficulty comprehending how an article not focused on celebrities could be a real news item or in the public interest.
One issue worthy of discussion, since many countries have committed to increasing their drone fleets, is the inherent vulnerability to tampering of remote controlled vehicles. If a country develops a fleet of one million armed drones, what are the control codes to command those drones then worth? Any system of encryption can be unlocked by someone who possesses the right key. While the USA has a virtually spotless record of keeping its classified information secret, what about other countries whose security practices are less pristine?
Another minor but interesting issue is the obvious lack of trust between the United States and Israel. It’s a reminder that lobbying can buy public pronouncements of unwavering support, but the military establishments which run each country are well aware that the interests of two nation states will always diverge at some point. The US-Israel-Saudi alliance in the Middle East is an uneasy one, and signs of tension are beginning to surface.
Finally, as I asked earlier, why is this story being released now? I assume the NSA would have originally maintained that releasing it would damage their ability to collect intelligence on Israel, a country who could potentially damage US national security interests either deliberately or inadvertently. So what changed? Has Israel demonstrated they already knew about this spying, or was the release related to the recent deal by Germany to acquire (now known to be insecure) Israeli-made drones?
Why now? Timing. The key to Snowden’s release of information having a desired effect on governmental spying is that it not be a three day event. There is probably a lot more, and more serious information yet to be released and will be in due course.
Snowden has nothing to do with the timing of releases. He gave all of the material to Greenwald in Hong Kong in June 2013, leaving the choice of what to release and when solely to journalists.
The Intercept has stated they weigh the national security implications (and submit the article to the US government for comment) against the public interest in publishing any story based on classified information. In this case, since spying on Israel is not illegal, The Intercept would possibly have decided against publishing the story if the government claimed it would jeopardize legitimate intelligence operations. The story states, “The NSA acknowledged receipt of an inquiry but did not respond”, which implies no strong objection to publication of the material. This could be because Israel already knows all about this operation. Or as I speculated, because the United States wants potential buyers to know that Israeli drone communications are insecure.
Right — I should not have said “solely,” perhaps.
Sorry i ve forgotten smthg!
Allee vs faire enculer les antisémites! !!!
Imagine no line, but a wall, of impenetrable artillery to keep out the dark foreigners …
viva le france.
Woooo
So much antisemitic guys on this website! !!
But i m not surprise when i see the huge partiality against Israel in the words of this article! !!
My first time on this propaganda website and for sure my last time!!
You will be very good journalist in the pravda…
From France
Israel murders semites…
Good riddance…
It’s not anti semitic to question Israel’s motives and actions.
They have proven to be a real “frenemy” to the United Stated.
The overwhelming majority of Americans now feel Israel is untrustworthy
And so? Good for Israel. They have every right to develop their arms industry, the same as the US, the UK or the Russians. What’s the news here?
Snicker… this is news? Ridiculous waste of space. Every nation spies on every other nation. friend or foe and every one knows it. SHEESH!
For the clueless: it becomes news when you are caught spying.
And since everyone knows everything about everything, why bother to have journalism at all? Especially about Israel!
Go home everyone, nothing to see here you don’t already know!
Now you can just use google earth. I mean really what good can come from a drone when google earth can show you every single crack in the concrete.
Well, Google Earth shows you tremendous detail on some day, maybe this year maybe not, and you notice they don’t tell you which day? The odds of them seeing something interesting like, say, a guy setting up a launcher to shoot a rocket in the vague direction of Israel is not very good. And if they did see something interesting, probably some spook would flag it and that would be one of the places where you’re looking at imagery from five years ago and wondering why they can’t update.
Our national posture toward the Israelis’ is and always has been a sham. While I acknowledge that the Jewish people were ostracized and treated as less than equal citizens of most parts of Europe, East and West, since the establishment of ‘Christianity’. It was guilt and guile that lead to the US and European backing that created what is now called “The State of Israel”. Since that incursion began, the peoples who had long occupied this area that we now call Israel, were forced out of their homes, off of their lands, and made second class occupants of what was for over the prior 500 yrs, Palestine. During the 6 day War, even though the USA was supporting Israel, the Israelis’ opened fire on a US Navy reconnaissance ship, knowing full well that the ship was USN. The tapes of the pilots who were ordered to fire upon that ship reveal that they informed the tower that the ship was a US vessel and that made no difference, the Israeli commander ordered the pilots to either sink the ship or drive it out into the Mediterranean even though the ship was no where near Israelis territorial waters. Over 20 US sailors died that day. Israel is a joke.
Hi good point
Nothin to add
Good for them. Sensible thing to do.
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Israel is becoming the image of their grandparents oppressors
That’s not really it. The problem is that when they came to Israel, they figured somehow that bad law wouldn’t influence them because they’re the oppressed. But the truth is that it is a serpent that slithers in and will bite anyone in a moment of carelessness. They should have understood, for example, that putting a citizen’s religion on his passport is an extremely dangerous thing to do – they should have understood that the Germans who so eagerly killed Jews were the inheritors of Germans who so bureaucratically classified out who is who, and that Israelis who did the same were setting up their descendants for the same temptations.
Still, in America, my feeling is that it is not extremely useful to criticize the Israelis. Sure, we can fine-tune funding, try to keep them from being wiped out without encouraging over-the-top behavior, but we shouldn’t expect much out of that, and I don’t want them wiped out as I know they would be if we turned our backs on them entirely. What we need to do is look at our own Indian reservations, our own crooked politics, our own John McCains turning over sacred Indian lands and extremely valuable minerals to Rio Tinto for a smile and a pat on the head. If we could get life expectancy in Pine Ridge over 60, well, at least over 50, then that would have a global knock-on effect that would resonate silently from one bantustan to the next all over the world, and eventually reform itself with remarkable fidelity, like a voice in a whispering chamber or Mary in Zaragoza, right where it is needed in Palestinian occupied territories.
Israel wiped out by whom?
Egypt, Saudi and the Gulf States, and Jordan are allies. Lebanon is a failing state and no risk to Israel, and neither is Hezbollah unless Israel attacks. And Israel is supporting Salafist terrorists to get rid of Syria–not because Syria is a real threat, but because Israel wants to annex the Golan Heights permanently.
And we can certainly address the US’s problems while addressing Israel’s increasingly criminal, threatening behavior.
So what’s the problem?
There is pretty strong evidence that the founders of the Golden Calf in Palestine were outright collaboraters. Both the Nazis and Zionists wanted Jews out of Europe.
As Theodr Herzl, the father of Zionism, wrote in his Diaries, “Anti-Semites will be our closest friends, and Anti-Semitic nations our closest Allies.”
Israel is moving closer and closer to becoming their grandparent’s oppressor-
SPY vs Spy. Israel will have to learn to protect themselves better from being spied on.
Wow giving billions each year to Israel since 1948. Funding Israel’s Nuclear Weapons, Nuclear Plant and Iron Dome. Yes Israel demands funding and weapons an the US Minion Lawmakers quickly obey. Now facts in 1977 Israel sent an Intelligence Spy to the US name Arnon Milchan to spy as Arnon settled in Hollywood as his cover. Success in Hollywood by producing movies like Pretty Woman an others. Yes Milchan smuggled weapons for Israel and went to Africa to get the Uranium for Israel to build the Nukes. Yes Israel has loyal lawmakers to Israel in the US Congress-Senate to assure they get what they want. Netanyahu had waited as the 2008 plan for the US to bomb Iran and Obama has refused for 7 years. Netanyahu punished US as the 3 billion yearly aid was ordered increased to 4.5 billion by Netanyahu as Congress obeyed. The last hope for Israel is Jewish-American Bernie Sanders to steal the election to finally do as Netanyahu ordered and not Hillary Clinton. None of the GOP clowns will win their can’t tie their shoe laces. Netanyahu had words for Obama that he uses on the Palestine people so the US knows how the leader of Israel feels.
The US has not been giving billions to Israel since 1948. The loan guarantees didn’t start unyil after the Six Day War in 1967.
Israel has leached money from Americans since its inception.
And yet America feeds lead to its children to save a few hundred dollars a day.
Priorities, anyone?
Israel first as far as government is concerned.
True, and the Zionists use it to develop war machines to sell for profits.
Can you add?
Bernie is actually one of the least likely candidates to do NutterYahoo’s bidding. Hitlery will do whatever Haim Saban wants her to.
Many Jews oppose the very existence of “the State of Israel”, as it is a blasphemy against the Torah.
I was going to say the same thing.
Bernie has proven with his 30 years of consistencies [1] and common sense politics that he is the most informed, sane candidate. And someone with his sanity would know better than to do any bids for Bibi.
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxRCnwqUrc8
So U.S. Has been spying on Israel….AND!!!! Last time I looked, the U.S. Taxpayers subsidize Israel with 5 Billion taxpayer dollars per year for the past 50 years. We would like to know what their doing with our taxpayer dollars. Now, if Israel has a hissy fit about the hacking thang…REFUND the 5 Billion U.S. Taxpayer dollars and STFU!!!!
Yep… and we’ve also been sending them regular welfare checks, for many decades now. I think the US government has a right to know exactly what Israel is using the average hard working American tax payer’s dollars for. At least this American thinks we have that much of a right. I mean after all, we’re the one’s footing the bill so Israeli’s can go to school for free, while we, here in America, struggle to put our own children through college, and in some cases food on our tables. But by all means… Let’s keep sending Netanyahu money to continue Israel’s assault on the Palestinian people.
Notice the article does not mention that Israel has supplied drones to Russia and has even trained Russian soldiers in Israel how to operate them!! See drones Israel Russia on google.
US uses Israel as the tip of its spear. Yes the US does aid and support Israel. Israel needs to wake to Iran not being the hyperthreat. Best keep Iran on your side and doing well.
The tip of the spear is almost always the first thing to break apart. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving regime, if that time comes.
israel has maintained a massive spy operation within the U.S. for decades (remember the 4-part Carl Cameron report on israeli spying right after 9/11?) … israel even monitored ALL U.S. electronic communication as far back as the mid-90s … israel is a dangerous parasite on the neck of America and needs to be controlled
Notice this article does not mention that Israel has supplied drones to Russia and has even trained its soldiers in Israel!! Now Israel wants five billion a year instead of three billion from us.
Let’s not forget who handled Ms. Broadwell as she convinced Patraeus to give her the entire US military playbook. Everything, including covert agent identities, was left in her hands for a couple of days.
Stop the tail wagging the dog! Defund Isreali money from Congress!
And nowadays Israel no longer needs to resort to as much espionage. The NSA turns over its raw, bulk data to Israeli contracting firms to sift. On the flimsy promise they will “only” look at data that didn’t come from our politicians and military leaders.
Honestly, I’m having a hard time interpreting this as “spying”, nor “hacking”. I mean, they’re turning a radio dial, finding a signal, and trying to make sense out of it. It’s not like they went into an Israeli military base and put a bug in their video system, or even hacked into one of their routers. This signal is physically out there in the air, penetrating every building and body on the RAF Troodos base, and the question is, do you have a right to look at it? Do you have the right to decrypt it, if they used weak crypto?
I think this is an important distinction to make because obviously there are going to be peace activists in countries all over the world, including the U.S., who want to try to figure out what signals are being sent back and forth to the drones circling over their heads. I don’t want them charged as spies if they actually get up off their asses and do something I only daydream about. And that means, we should command the language, right here right now.
Where is the news here? What’s so shocking about U.S. spying on Israel or vice-versa? Both countries have been spying all over the globe. It is the way it is. Seems like you guys just woke up :)
…7 or 8 month ago, BeBe appeared before the US Congress. He was against the policies of the Iran deal by the president. last month BeBe claimed the Iran deal, as his own. He became a Obama supporter, and the GOP of the house, were thrown under the bus – Hey, where Tom Cotton…
Good.
Oh HELL NO: ” This month, Germany’s defense minister, Ursula von der Leyen, announced that the country would lease several TPs, citing the aircraft’s attack capabilities.
“This will be the standard in the future,” von der Leyen said.
By most accounts, Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Pakistan are the only countries known to have used drones for deadly attacks. But dozens of countries are believed to be developing armed drones, so that club likely won’t stay small for long.”
They can develop all they want but we are not going to have a world with hordes of robots actively bombing people. What we have now is an abomination and will be shut down by a more educated populace increasingly refusing to abide the horror wrought by the depraved war industry.
You have a BIG heart, a Good soul, poor BRAINS!
Israel is spying on the USA, so what else is new. Mention why they never admitted to attacking the US Liberty but paid off the families whose soldiers died when the ship was attacked.
True that more Americans need to know about this & its significance.
As they should be spring on Israel. Israel acts entitled, belligerent, and unpredictable, and is prone to launch unnecessary wars of choice.
Glad to have this confirmed. Of course the U.S. should be spying on Israel. It’s not like Israel is a U.S. ally, all protestations to the contrary. The U.S. enables Israel to its own detriment. And if Israel doesn’t like it, too bad. Stop taking US$billions, Israel, if you don’t like it.
America has also been spying on America for Israel for decades.
Israel does not spy on the US—hilarious though they are constantly looking to buy classified info on UK, French, and US tech, nevertheless US hacking was for info and not Israel tech since Israel–despite having a great drone program has nowhere near the tech of some other nations that employ jet powered drones, intercontinental UCAVs, all wing true-stealth configuration drones—-Israel has ZERO of these not even a single jet powered drone all Israel drones are prop powered and Israel’s largest drone Heron is not even a close 2nd place to huge global hawk and avenger US drones + duration, altitude, huge payloads, etc
Israel doesn’t have to spy on the U.S. to get U.S. technology. The U.S. offers it to Israel for free: Patriot anti-missile technology, AWACS, THEL -just to name a few.
Then Israel sells it to some of our potential future adversaries -China & India.
AWACS -In 2000 Israel built an Israeli version of the Airborne radar system for China (the ‘Phalcon’) from a Russian transport aircraft.
THEL -An anti-artillery laser weapon was given to Israel to test out in the late 90’s. Press releases said that this was a collaborative effort by the U.S. & Israel. Others in the defense industry say it was nearly mature hardware when the Israelis were brought into the program. The Israelis promptly copied it and sold it to China.
Drones -Surprising how similar that Israeli drone in this article looks like the American Predator drone. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
Go ahead U.S. -spend billion$ more developing weapons! The Chinese will end up having copies via Israel… Don’t even get me started on MIRVs…. They didn’t have to develop these weapons themselves. Thank you amigos in Israel. Keep up the good work American Engineers.
Well we may have hacked their drones, but they have Agents & Operatives at the highest levels in our Government i.e. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle,Zakheim, as well as Libby & Kristol supporting them and the rest of the PNAC crowd.
And the American Taxpayers have loaded down the Israeli military with our latest & greatest military technology and have spent untold amounts of money protecting the bully of the Middle East – not sure for what beyond all the cash paid to the shill’s in Congress who eagerly sellout the American Middle Class at every opportunity they get…
US has been spying on Israel, and that’s news? LOL!
The US has been spying on Israel and vice versa ever since the creation of Israel. Ditto Israel. So what’s new?
We need to be aware of what both our friends and enemies are doing, particularly in the Middle East. I strongly suspect that ee collect information on all the players there.
This is not an anti-Israeli comment but facts.
Israel nearly sunk one of our ships and killed our servicemen in an attack on the USS LIberty in 1967. Israel has spied on the US nonstop for decades. Jonathan Pollard is the most famous but the FBI has caught many others and no doubt this continues.
Israel lobbies Congress, and pours money into campaigns and has an undue and disgusting influence in our politics. I like Israel but I wish they would stop all of this and stop taking our money to build settlements.
Note they are a nation with a surplus and we the USA are debtor nation and yet, we send them money and guarantee their loans for building settlements. So we spy on them, so what. It’s the least we can do.
What are we supposed to do, hand over billions of our taxpayers’ dollars to the Zionists and turn a blind eye completely to what they do with it.
I wanna get on Israeli welfare where I “study Talmud” and don’t work, like 40% of the working years males in Israel do instead of going to work like the poor American bastards the money comes from.
How utterly stupid….
http://www.noahidelaw.org/noahide-law-public-law-102-14-was-passed-by-only-four-congressmen/
http://www.noahidelaw.org/iajlj-and-copla-noahide-law-and-talmudic-execution-in-the-usa/
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These stories are great and certainly in the public interest. Yet, they have the unintentional consequence of quickly becoming little more than entertainment. The Snowden documents are getting stale now and the US led Neoliberal Empire of the Exceptionals just shrugs it off, so far almost nothing has changed. I despair but keep up the great work maybe some day it will have a cumulative effect.
Really? You think letting the world know what our military capabilities are is a good thing? This isn’t about the NSA spying on American citizens or any other people, this is about military operations. Edward Snowden should have his head cut off in my opinion…
Edward Snowden didn’t publish this. Shall I interpret you as meaning Ms. Currier and Mr. Moltke should be executed?
Perhaps you missed something; as in the first two paragraphs.
No, I saw that. I also know the difference between “published” and “provided.” I also remember that Snowden saying he didn’t think everything he provided should be published. So…swing and a miss.
*said
Are you serious? You’re saying Snowden is innocent because, although he stole the documents and handed them over, he said some of them shouldn’t be published? Please tell me this is sarcasm. You can’t be serious.
Not saying Snowden is “innocent.” Nobody says that, not even him. I’m saying he did not PUBLISH anything. No sarcasm required — it’s a simple fact. So yes, I’m serious. I’m seriously asking if that commenter wants the authors executed.
You did not even get the bat off your shoulder.
Mr. Snowden is the source of the material and he has provided guidelines as to what should and should not be presented on this site.
If it is on this site you can be sure Mr. Snowden vetted its release.
Do stay off the road …
Mr. Snowden doesn’t vet anything on this site. He specifically gave the material to journalists so that a journalist, not him , would vet it. This is all explained in the book about it by Greenwald. It is also discussed in the movie. One more time: the choice to publish this material was made by the staff of the intercept. It was a decision made without the direct and/or current input of Snowden. If it is on this site, you can be sure that Snowden has not vetted it, since this site’s creation postdates the transfer of all of Snowden’s material to Greenwald and Poitras and their assumption of responsibility for choosing what is and what is not published. If you don’t believe me, ask the intercept and they’ll confirm what I just said. Is that enough said to make it clear or do you want to take a another try at being sarcastically wrong?
I’ll have another go. What are the odds you’ll remember the first round.
Your silly question proposed it was more proper for the authors to be executed as they were culpable and Snowden was not.
The material to be published would be vetted, to protect vital national interests, as directed by Snowden. I’m not saying he is involved in every publication but if it is published you can be sure it was vetted at his direction. He knew what was sensitive and what was less sensitive.
I’ll wager TI staff runs their product by the NSA for any serious red flags before it hits the screen; professional courtesy.
TI does take input from the gov. before publishing, true.
All false. He did not appoint himself the arbiter of national security threats. He did not do this and said so explicitly and repeatedly, and Greenwlad related this over and over and over again. He also explained, at length, in multiple places, that he provided much more than he thought should be published to provide the journalists “context,” but explicitly left the choice of specifially what to publish up to the journalists and them alone. Again, he said this every chance he could, and Greenwald relayed it in articles and a best-selling book. But there’s no telling some people. I don’t blame you for being stupid; that’s not your fault. But it’s your own choice to be such an ignorant dick, dick.
Perhaps a classroom is more appropriate for your learning style.
Question
Given the following conditions:
Snowden directs Greenwald to not publish everything. Snowden is concerned for national security. Greenwald honors Snowden demand. Snowden does not care which items are published. Material is selected not randomly. Material published has been reviewed for national security issues and cleared.
Is the following conclusion valid?
Published material appears as directed by Snowden.
Answer:
A: True
B: False
Circle either A or B (but not both)
You may reply directly to this comment or you may simply begin a new thread.
I’ll watch for your response. Do not be too surprised if another steps in to offer praise or condemnation, as the case may be. Good luck.
On the fourth condition, did you you mean to say “Snowden DOES care…?” On the last condition, are you implying that the review was done by Snowden or by current natsec employees? We do not disagree that material was reviewed; our disagreement is about who did the review. Both of these clarifications, I think, would be relevant to my answer to this pop quiz of yours (questions are tougher to write than it seems at first, as you now know.). Regardless, based on conditions that actually exist, rather than your stated conditions, and on the definitions of “published” and “directed,” I would answer that the statement is demonstrably false (I don’t know how to circle anything on comments, my apologies). Also, sorry for the delay in response, I missed this at first. Maybe my belittling bullshit filter was briefly operational.
You must be studying something other than logic.
As given, Glenn honors Snowden request to not damage national security.
Snowden does not care what Glenn publishes because Glenn agreed to the directive that national security not be damaged.
I have a feeling this is where you are getting tripped up.
All I can say is study longer; perhaps tutoring is available to you. Check with the college library and don’t be afraid that they stopped using the word ‘Community’, it’s still a friendly place.
Your sarcastic pseudo-wit sure is endearing and compelling! Such a fun game you’ve come up with too, you smartypants you! Let me try: If a thick-skilled ignoramus is hopelessly incorrect about something, is impervious to facts and only accepts his/her own brand of invalid “logic,” would Snowden let Greenwald write a story about it? Circle one (and only one): Red, blue, green.
Germany recently announced it would lease Israeli drones, rather than buy them from General Dynamics. I imagine the Israelis told them that American drones would send the video feed directly to the NSA. So I imagine this article is the NSA’s way of thumbing their nose at the Germans.
“Germany recently announced it would lease Israeli drones, rather than buy them from General Dynamics.”
Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that would be General Atomics, who’s CEO…aka scumbag Neal Blue is the posterchild for everything you ever thought was evil in the MIC. If you heard him tell it, Drones were his idea and invention. Unfortunately…
quote:It’s a nice story, except for all the bullshit.
The Predator drone was actually created by Israeli named Abroham Karem, who had helped design Israel’s first drones for use in the Yom Kippur war. In the 1980s, Karem moved to Orange County and set up a small shop with DARPA funding to replicate and improve the technology here.”quote
http://www.alternet.org/investigations/billionaire-brothers-behind-americas-predator-drones-and-their-very-strange-past
As for Israeli drones, it was actually an Israeli who invented them and then came to the US under the wing of DARPA, …(whudda thunk). But that isn’t all this scumbag has brought to this planet. I’ll leave that for you to dig into though. All I can say is “scumbag” is a massive understatement.
You are correct, Link
Unclear is why use of an armed F-16 overtly is fine, but use of an armed drone requires utmost secrecy. Each is a lethal tool. It’s the purpose of use which is the problem. And are we sure that Israel hasn’t in fact enabled this access, if only to walk the cat back to see how the US is doing it?
If i had to guess because there is no human decision on site to press the trigger, that they can be hacked and thus diverted, that you can always lose the guidance and have an unguided drone flying around with its bombs, etc. Then the F-16 is hardly a new tech (even less of a secret for the US) and thus hardly prone to secrecy.
Partly it has to do with deniability; it is easy to capture images of aircraft dropping bombs but very difficult to capture the image of a drone from the ground. It also has to do with maintaining the myth of a peaceful people merely defending themselves from attacks by subhuman terrorists. In the latter regard, both the US and Israel (as it now is shown) use drones to attack people who pose no immediate threat, and often no threat at all, simply based on the principle of intimidation.
Another distinction is that often – though by no means not always – a precision weapon strike by an aircraft involves a ground element, a person on the ground who has eyes on the target and a laser target designator to identify that target to the weapon. Although the person on the ground can also be mistaken, experience has shown that they are much less likely to designate wedding parties or funerals than pilots or (especially) drone operators.
The most important aspects of the Intercept pieces are that 1) contrary to their public statements it appears that the Israelis are using armed drones, and 2) it is possible to intercept the satellite links and decrypt the signals, demonstrating that in principle the drones can be countered or even redirected by third parties.
Based on what do you say Israel attacks people without intention ?
Such blunt opinion presented as fact is base.
The article shows Israel has these crafts – no how it decicdes to use them.
Your jump to conclusions is bluntly filled with prejudices, attempting to fit reality to your own opinions , which in my view, is nothing more than lack of understanding, uneducated information, or seriously suffering bias.
So they used open source code and FOSS software as part of their SIGINT work?
I seriously hope they donated a few bucks to the developers, given GCHQ’s & NSA’s absolutely massive budgets.
Honestly, if they didn’t, I don’t care what the hell they used it for: That’s just plain evil. They have the budget to send a kabillion dollars on Trailblazer, but not $20 for FOSS used in critical SIGINT? That’s reprehensible.
AntiSky – a rough script, hard to believe they have/had nothing better- is shared by the University of Cambridge’s Computer Laboratory, so that’s British public money paid already.
ImageMagick, however, isn’t.
(I don’t think it is)
The duplicity of keeping Jonathan Pollard in jail is not lost
SIGINT is just grabbing what’s out there in the ether. Pollard was an intelligence analyst working for the U.S. government, passing classified information to a foreign government. In other words, a spy in the classical sense. Huge difference. Everyone spies on everyone, but you expect that your own intelligence people aren’t double agents, and if they are, they shouldn’t be shocked by the consequences when they get caught.
I don’t follow. (1) Pollard was released. (2) Even if he wasn’t, there is nothing about spying that makes arresting others’ spies duplicitous. That is the nature of the game.
Just another tidbit about Pollard.
“Pollard admitted shopping his services—successfully, in some cases—to other countries.”
No. The duplicity of ZOG in not hanging Pollard is not lost.
This great article teaches you never trust on the U.S. The U.S will stab you in the back whenever it is possible.
Shame on you George Washington for you lousy country
To be fair, Israel has never trusted the U.S. Being so untrustworthy themselves, it probably never even occurred to them.
The quality of the hasbara shilling on this site is shockingly low.
Although I have distaste for a lot of what we do in the name of liberty and what not, I do not believe every thing we can find out about the agencies should be published. Particularly with this article, I would love to see one paragraph stating why the Intercept feels revealing these capabilities is warranted and why they think it is not likely to give targeted countries an edge in concealing what they do from spying eyes. Like it or not, there are still some legitimate reasons for spying and just because you can publish doesn’t prove that you should. I, for one, would like to see some justification for this article other than because it is cool and interesting.
Ostrich.
See, hear and speak no truth.
Your ignorance must be bliss.
So, no intelligence agency should EVER have ANY sources and methods they can use in gathering information? I get the feeling many of you think the world is fueled on polka dots and moonbeams. You don’t need these videos to understand what a rogue Israel is. If you can’t see that from the last 50 years or so of behavior, all of the secrets of the world won’t enlighten you further.
That’s called information and it is needed to form any informed opinion. Meaningful information like that:
“The documents highlight the conflicted relationship between the United States and Israel and U.S. concerns about Israel’s potentially destabilizing actions in the region.”
Bizarrely i don’t read every other day in our so-called “free press” that Israel is a destabilizing factor in the region and cause for much of the concern among her allies. That’s why.
You are so unaware that you cannot figure out the relationship between the US and Israel without this story showing you the way? I feel for you. Do you need it written on your forehead? Everybody knows Israel is massively unhelpful and we gladly support them with billions of dollars a year. This is all clearly obvious and I do not need to know what little edge we might have on them to figure this out. What a bunch of clowns.
Mr know it all, you know nothing. You only know what you know from other resource. Some are true, some false, some are just pure lies. No one holds the whole picture but you little losers knows it all, right.
You are the master of your own ignorance. Simply refuse to read any article which does not provide a convincing explanation of why you should read it.
All of you have your own quite ignorant blindside. The bigger picture totally flies over your heads.
If they aren’t doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to hide.
Secrets are anethema to democracy.
Spouting a pithy phrase doesn’t make it correct. You could have at least put the word “Some” at the head of that lazy 2nd sentence. I suppose you also are really quite alright with everyone and their mother having access to your digital life because, after all, if you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. Revolting way of thinking. Truly.
these govt’s build these robot killing machines with public money’s
therefore the public has every right to all information about these systems and how they are used
the civil public also have the right to cut these programs if they are NOT in the public interest
Right.
Great work, Cora, Henrik, Laura (I wanna go to the show!), Glenn, David and, of course, Edward!
Notwithstanding what Clark says, below, Bibi’s not gonna be amused.
No wonder they were shitting bricks, grounding Morales’ plane, treating David as a terrorist suspect at Heathrow . . .
Now, let’s watch the Graun to see whether and how they cover this.
Betcha there’s a DA-Notice.
While this article does have some interesting information,
there are several assumptions which are ridiculous.
The bogus notion of “conflicted relations” between
the fake USA and Israel,
that the fake USA has “concerns” about destabilization of the region,
and the bogus notion of the GCHQ having a mission
“against Israeli drones.”
It is MUCH more likely that the fake USA and the British
are merely trying to keep up with their beloved
merchant of destabilization and death.
They need to know when they can help make the situation
WORSE.
Israel is like a rabid junk yard dog which the fake USA
and others, including the British, have pampered and
protected as it keeps assaulting people.
This article’s framing is worthy of CNN.
There is no bogus notion of “conflicted relations” between the USA and Israel, many people who have a clue know all to well that Israel’s Netanyahu has been eager to strike Iran over their non-existing military nuclear program (*) for years, that he tried to hijack the US congress to prevent the world to sign an agreement over the Iranian nuclear program, and that he is considered a liar if not a dangerous messianic nutjob who need to be kept in check by many head of States. There is nothing bogus there, that’s documented.
(*) “U.S. intelligence agency officials interviewed by The New York Times in March 2012 said they continued to assess that Iran had not restarted its weaponization program, which the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate said Iran had discontinued in 2003″ (wikipedia, Nuclear_program_of_Iran; NYT “U.S. Faces a Tricky Task in Assessment of Data on Iran”, March 17, 2012)
“Netanyahu has been warning the world of Iran’s “imminent” nuclear threat for more than 20 years. In 1992, Benjamin Netanyahu, then a parliamentarian, warned that Iran was three to five years away from being able to produce a nuclear weapon. He implored that the threat should be, “uprooted by an international front headed by the US”. Twenty years later, Netanyahu still calls for action against Tehran, “before it is too late”. He claims that Tehran is “running out the clock”.” (Asia Times Online, “Rouhani’s outlook riles Israeli hardliners”, June 26, 2013)
[French President] “Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a “liar”” (Reuters, Nov 8, 2011)
“Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad” (TheGuardian, 23 February 2015)
“Netanyahu told cabinet: Our biggest fear is that Iran will honor nuclear deal” (Haaretz, Apr. 12, 2015)
There is nothing in your fake rebuttal which shows
any “conflict” between Nuttyyahoo and the actions
of the fake USA.
All of this belief in conflict is based upon the false
notion that Obama and the P5+1 Company’s “deal”
with Iran is somehow in opposition to the belligerent
BS from their pampered merchant of death.
It is NOT.
Nuttyyahoo helped make the arm-twisting “deal”
look like diplomacy when ,IN FACT,
it is based upon lies (which you show were long ago
debunked) and it has deviously arranged to
Not remove the main “sanctions”
(which are still based on lies)
for years to come
nor does it prevent more and worse sanctions in the future
based on more lies from the fake USA or any of its
lousy allies.
That “deal” is a pretense which will be gutted by the
very people who arranged it because the fake USA has
NOT changed its real objective of privatized corporate
global domination of resources.
You need to get more out of your mothers basement.Saddam Hussein was a good man? by your logic he was good. Would you like to live as a gay man in Iran? If the US wants to dominate resources is that a problem? I guess you also have problem with rich people, that is the problem with stupid people like yourself.
I wonder if part of the reason or force behind the leak was to discourage India from buying Israeli drone technology and buy American instead.
The USA and Israel etc. spend a million building an exotic death machine. The enemy (the local inhabitants) strap a $100 bomb to a dumb kid and get a better effect. The USA kills the dumb kid and his family therefore generating 10 more dumb kids and Wall street cheers. In the meantime, the world is overheating as we make another million babies. Homostupidestgreediest strikes again.
Which “better effect” will you get from strapping a “$100 bomb to a dumb kid”? Please do elaborate…
Greater precision, for one. A suicide bomber can walk into a crowded restaurant and look around to see whether the people there are of the classification regarded as targets and abort if there are people classified as friends, something a drone or laser guided bomb cannot do. For another, cost. Bob notes the approximate cost of a suicide bomb, but does not mention that the fuel alone for the F16 costs at least ten times as much. Add to that the cost of the weapon (just the Paveway guidance kit costs over $10k; add to that the cost of the bomb itself and the amortized costs of the aircraft, training and support) and you see that the suicide bomb cost is hundreds if not thousands of times less expensive than precision munitions. These calculations made in strict accordance with the principles of market capitalism, according to which the value of a human life is equated to the current price of the commodities comprising a typical human body – currently less than $1 on the commodities markets, and hence neglectable in these calculations.
I personally do not ascribe to market capitalism, but it is quite clear that decision makers of the various parties to these conflicts do.