Americans love to mock the British for choosing — in the 21st century — to live under a monarchy and honor the hereditary succession of a royal family. I enthusiastically participate in that derision. Few concepts are as antithetical to reason and democratic liberty as anointing families that are vested with an entitlement to wield power through dynasty and lineage.
The U.S. officially has no formal royal families, but clearly loves dynastic political power. As the U.S. becomes increasingly oligarchical — all of its institutions, including its political ones, dominated by a tiny number of extremely rich families — it is natural that all forms of hereditary power will flourish. There are still examples of people from backgrounds devoid of family wealth or influence attaining political power — Barack Obama certainly qualifies — but it’s virtually impossible for them to succeed without the overwhelming support of those oligarchical circles.
Dynastic power is not a new phenomenon in the U.S., but this past week featured a particularly vivid illustration of how potent it is. The two U.S. presidents prior to President Obama — Bill Clinton and George W. Bush — made appearances on the campaign trail to urge Americans to elect their favorite candidate, which, in both cases, happens to be a close family member.
“There’s no doubt in my mind Jeb Bush has the experience and the character to be a great president,” said George W. Bush, himself the son of a former U.S. president, in South Carolina about his brother. At a rally in Tennessee, Bill Clinton pronounced his wife “the best change-maker I’ve ever known,” and in a separate speech in Florida angrily denounced Democrats who support his wife’s opponent by depicting them as the equivalent of the GOP’s Tea Party.
Until Jeb Bush proved to be a remarkably inept candidate, it was long expected that the 2016 election would match the son of one former president and brother of another, against the wife of another former president. Further underscoring the dynastic dynamic was that their funding would come from the same sources, numerous powerful factions would have difficulty choosing which candidate would serve their agenda most faithfully, and, as is often true of aristocracies, the two extremely rich families have become very close friends.
As one would expect, the children of those two families have also enjoyed substantial unearned benefits by virtue of their lineage. Despite no background or experience in journalism, both Jenna Bush and Chelsea Clinton were hired by major American networks as on-air correspondents, joining a slew of others whose sole qualification was being born to powerful parents.
Dynastic political power is, of course, hardly unique to the U.S. Many of the closest American allies and client states are themselves full-scale monarchies. Numerous countries, from Cuba and Pakistan to Argentina and Canada, have recently had siblings, spouses, and children of prior leaders assume power. From the Adams to the Kennedys, the U.S. itself has often had families for whom political power was a family business.
Still, the spectacle of having two former U.S. presidents simultaneously stump for the election of their close family members as the next U.S. president is a uniquely illuminating symbol of what the U.S. has become. It is still highly likely that of the last five U.S. presidents, four of them will come from the same two extremely rich families. It’s becoming increasingly difficult for any American to comfortably mock the British, who at least have the dignity to consign dynastic power to the largely symbolic realm.
Minor detail which doesn’t distract from the main point of the article, but Bill Clinton was probably poorer than Obama growing up.
They’re ALL in the Poppy Bush (CIA) Company crime family, including Whipping boy Barry-0 ! It’s US who DieNasty in the Barackoons of their coast-to-coast U?CHWITZ, REGARDLE?? !! And that’s no doublespeak, (Big) Brother!!!
Royalty in England is now just pomp and circumstances, dearly loved by the gossip/glamour hordes on both sides of the pond, and there it rests.
The ‘dinasties’ in the USA go well beyond the patina of gossip/glamour media, no need to recount the damages brought on the world by one of the dinasties and the ineffectual handling of world affairs of the other ( though softened by some ribald happenings in the hallowed rooms of the WH ).
It’s the new feudalism. When wealth concentrates it creates neuvaux riche, who eventually coalesce into a petit roi. You can think of Royalty as a form of branding for those in the “Ruling Elite” business.
“War and Peace” is full of Dukes and princes from various Russian provinces. They all head to Moscow to get patronage, commissions, franchises and sinecures.
“Numerous countries, from Cuba and Pakistan to Argentina and Canada, have recently had siblings, spouses, and children of prior leaders assume power.”
On the Canadian front, Justin Trudeau did not assume power, he was elected by a strong electoral majority (but not more than 50% of popular vote, which is rare in our three party system). Whereas I also eschew dynasties, this particular candidate ran a very strong publicly financed campaign, in keeping with liberal economic and social paradigms. He was the only one who was talking economic sense, so I voted for him. Although it is perhaps telling that our former Conservative prime minister Brian Mulroney (alleged to have taken 300K from an arms dealer in a brown envelope the day after leaving office) was trotted out to endorse him in the final days of the campaign/
The problem is that Chomsky did (or does) what Greenwald is doing in these little essays much better.
Where do you read Chomsky?
Why is that a problem?
Well, as a Brit, I can promise you that it isn’t difficult to find a reason to mock the embarrassment that is America.
The devious, bloody shenanigans which are central to the
fake U$A are manufactured echoes of those which have been central to
European manipulators from as far back as history can be traced.
The examples of the English “Civil War” in the 17th Century and the
the French “Revolution” of the late 18th Century are excellent
examples because, in both cases, perversely religious royal excesses
led to bloodbaths wherein perverse autocratic monstrosities
replaced the previous criminal shenanigans with more of the same.
What has happened in the fake U$A is the same, but now it is
the global project of privatizing corporate royals which have no
allegiance to any geographic region.
From Blair to Cameron is the same as from Bush to Obama.
The Queen wins again!
Well, as a Brit, I can promise you that it isn’t difficult to find a reason to mock the embarrassment that is America.
The battle of stiff upper lips has been won and we are duly chastened.
Although, on a more serious note I would posit that our Constitution, however shredded and diluted, still offers protections to the citizenry that have been ceded in almost complete totality in Britain. GCHQ indeed appears to be far ahead in terms of getting the pompous wig-wearers in Parliament to support it’s consolidation of total control over your citizenry. ‘Grats on that too.
According to the now deceased Harold Brooks-Baker of Burkes Peerage, prior to Barack Obama winning office, every presidential election for the last 200 years has been won by the candidate with the strongest royal lineage. (Harold Brooks-Baker predicted for the ABC that George W Bush would defeat Al Gore based on his lineage)
So is this just a dynastic trend? Or royalty by stealth?
Do any of our comments actually mean anything to you folks, or is this stuff we think thown in the trash with even reading it? Humor me as an American citizen who needs an answer from you! Am I wasting my time commenting here?
You want someone to tell you what can only be decided by you.
This is a very common problem in the fake U$A.
The vast majority of voters in the fake U$A (and elsewhere)
resist their own individual responsibility when it comes to
political issues (like those which the issue of the marriage
of corporate power and political deviance)
in what appears to be a NEED to conform to the preferred
interpretation offered by an “authority.”
Anyone who hasn’t asked such a question as yours is
most likely either very simple minded or very corrupt.
How you decide is what you feel you can live with and no one
else can predict that. If someone gives you their opinion,
That (and this response) is all that it can be.
Nobody thinks Jeb is going to be the Republican nominee. If anything his failure highlights the limits of dynastic power in the US. This article would make more sense if it was written a year ago.
He’s still running. Jeb? tweeted a picture of a pistol with his name on it, and the caption “America.” Turns out it isn’t even a U.S. product.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/16/that-gun-jeb-bush-tweeted-today-its-maker-has-a-long-and-fascinating-history/
The stupids multiply.
Oh, and as far as I can tell from the picture Jeb; tweeted, the safety seems to be off. Jeb! seems to be half-cocked as well as half-baked.
The FN pistol is double action semiautomatic, has trigger pull much like a revolver on first shot. This weapon is safe to carry with safety, an added protection, off. Only call you on this because you are generally extremely knowledgeable.
The FN is a fine weapon Jeb has good taste in pistols. However, casually flashing firearms in emails by those running for office is for sure poor taste and judgment. Guns are a hot-button polarizing issue. Here in Maryland I cannot buy this pistol. However, three miles away in PA I can own and easily get a concealed-carry permit, this FN pistol is pretty big to conceal.
The courts are currently considering whether Maryland’s bar on certain weapons widely available elsewhere in the USA violates Second Amendment rights. This may well end up at the Supreme Court.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/02/big-2a-win-4th-circuit-applies-strict-scrutiny-to-maryland-gun-control-law/
I stand firmly for gun and ALL other Constitutional rights but also believe rights go hand in hand with responsibility. Back in the “Day” most of us with weapons had hunted and/or served in the military. Please note there is no reset button on any weapon. If you want the right to bear arms, shoulder the responsibility to train up to situation you might engage. This goes double for concealed-carry.
All very well, and a double action is a good thing for an automatic pistol, esp. for those of us who remember the horrible M1911A1 .45 the Army used to use. I’ve handled Walter-type pistols and liked the feature.
That being said, the main points are a) that Jed! put his name on a firearm and b) FN is a foreign firm. (If he’s catering to the gun lobby he might have gone S&W or something.) Certainly if I was a politician I’d hate to have a firearm with my name on it, for a number of reasons.
You are as usual on the mark, all good points. For me 1911 was very adequate. I do not care so much about maker or who puts their monogram on it. In America guns are a fact of life and law. Government, gangs and criminals all got’em and citizens also got’em
Laws will only influence the law abiding and that leaves out gangs, criminals and too often Government. I believe violence should be a last resort of self preservation/defense for individual or Nations. Preemptive wars, secret warfare without declaration, stand your ground laws and gun-crime are dangerous and often devoid of much contemplation before irretrievable and frequently disastrous action takes place.
Bearing arms is a huge responsibility for both Persons and Nations. Know your rights but know your responsibilities even better. When you pick up a weapon you are fully responsible as your brother’s keeper.
The stupids multiply.
They do and one wonders how long it will be before the country is overtaken by the Clinton Lip.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_intermarriage#Inbreeding
That is probably true of Jeb! W. Bush, but one never knows; the Republican establishment detests Trump and could sneak Jeb! in via a brokered convention. Certainly Hillary Clinton’s prospects are fading, although she, too, could be saved by superdelegates. Both cases prove that the nominating process is not as democratic as purported.
Bernie Sanders on the right side of history!
http://tysongibb.net/?p=441
Really Glenn? “The U.S. officially has no formal royal families, but clearly loves dynastic political power.” LOL The one guy Jeb has been polling in the single digits all campaign long, now at 4%, the only reason his brother “W” was well received is because he hasn’t so much as uttered a political whisper in 7 years, after leaving office at with a historically low 30% approval rating after Iraq, Katrina, and Fiscal Cliff. Clinton is running her second campaign, correction losing twice, having her candidacy’s ass kicked by a candidate who’s older, who last year wasn’t even in the same party, has never run a negative ad, and closed a 62 point gap to virtually tie the race and lose by .2% when she has every establishment endorsement leverage of 433:2 people in the House of Representatives. Let us talk about New Hampshire when she sicked Bill Clinton on Sanders fabricating this whole “Bernie Bros” bullshit and “artful smear” accusation, which in fact her campaign, her candidacy was doing since they can’t directly attack him or they’ll lose because he doesn’t run negative ads. I reject your premise that America loves their dynasties. Americans for decades haven’t had the choice of real candidates with the political courage to both appeal to people, speak to the real issues, and come at the system mad as hell, while making the legit case that the whole system is so corrupt that it is rigged. You need only look at Americans burning the AMERICAN FLAG in Ferguson Missouri because cops there were being used systemically as revenue generators giving parking tickets for parking in your own fuckin driveway, and the group lying when the white cop shot the black felon. You need only look at the political negligence of the governor of trying to save a few million bucks without performing a study for a few thousand dollars to be sure pumping highly acidic water would do to lead pipes, and cause a hundreds of millions dollars problem. You need only look at the fact that every layer of government has spent going into the 2nd year here avoiding responsibility here. From the President at the federal level to the local city council. This is an American city drinking and bathing in water which is toxic and what the hell is being done about it but a lot of talk?
Yes please tell us how we love our political fukin dynasties. Please also get a clue. #feelthebern
Interesting article but I don’t get the dig at the British in the opening paragraph. The monarchy there is nothing more than British branding, serving ceremonial purpose (although I see you slip in something to that effect right at the end). Not so long ago the US tried to create its own branding of rulers in shimmering castles with fair ladies and men (but with the extensive political power and reach) choosing Camelot, a mythical place first appearing in French romance. One wonders at the irony of that and more the reasoning. Although surprisingly, disturbingly and mystifying for a democracy it sold very well. That should have been a heads up that something is rotten in this democratic state. A ready acceptance, a niche in the market for oligarchs and dynasties to replace democratic principles — if branded successfully. Isn’t mainstay Celebrity adoration enough and safer, they have no real power but I guess therein lies the rub.
For me the article would have had more resonance using the Vatican, Oman or Saudi Arabia. Or even better the Borgia’s or Medici’s (though, I am sure there are more contemporary examples) who like the current dynasties were so taken with their exceptionalism they believed they had a divine right and could do no wrong. Although one shouldn’t forget the seeming Stockholm syndrome of people (as prevalent then as it is now) – the wish to kiss a gold embroidered hem, knowing that the feet beneath it will kick one to the gutter yet compensate with a (illusory) helping hand.
When Sanders announced his candidacy I immediately ordered a bumper sticker that simply said “Bernie.” I also had a customized sticker that said “No Royalty/No Family Dynasties.” I took my customized sticker off as a nod to political discipline: Sanders was adamant about not running a negative campaign. The customized sticker might have been construed as negative, and even ad hominem, when juxtaposed with the plain Bernie sticker. Sometimes I regret my self-censorship. I really can’t stand royalty and dynasties.
In 2008, I had an Obama sticker on my car that actually caused an incident of road rage in upstate NY. The road rage didn’t cause me to peel the sticker from my bumper. After Obama was inaugurated, after he selected his economical team, that sticker came off with all due prejudice.
I’m wiser now (I think). I can’t imagine circumstances where my simple-message Bernie sticker will ever come off my car.
Interesting!
How can the Clinton’s run their foundation, which is known to solicit donations from foreign governments and private individuals, if they make it to the white house? It amounts to racketeering. In exchange for a sizable donation, we promise to protect you with the military might of the US.
‘Cause politics has never amounted to racketeering. Oh … wait.
Old story. We’ve had two presidents each named Adams, Harrison, Roosevelt, Bush, all related, with Taft as an attempted addition to the list. (Johnson doesn’t count). Three would be unprecedented, and Jed Bush doesn’t seem to be getting traction.
Having one’s family predecessor campaign for you is somewhat unprecedented. Having George W. and Bill C. campaign for you is also not an unmixed blessing.
These families operate more like the mob than a royal dynasty. They make tons of money in ethically questionable ways and then bring their children into it.
I think you’d better go back and study the history of royal dynasties. Starting with the Roman Empire through the kings of England, for instance, you’ll find more murder, theft, graft, incest, parricide and violence than displayed in The Godfather.
And as an aside, I’d love to see Glenn nominated to the federal bench or better yet the Supreme Court. It would be fun to watch him work over Alito, Thomas and Roberts (and point out any hypocrisy of those on the “left” leaning side of the bench.) Although I actually find Roberts to be pretty smart notwithstanding his ideological bent. That’s what makes him dangerous. He’s actually a pretty gifted lawyer all things being equal. Thomas, Scalia and Alito all have such a pinched revanchist worldview that they strike me as caricatures of human beings, and always have–more clever than smart or empathetic to the human condition and the role the rule of law plays in human beings’ lives.
I’d seriously doubt he’d ever want to be a judge, I wouldn’t, but it would be fun to imagine the fireworks that might ensue with Glenn on the bench. Just getting a shot to watch him screw with right-wing gasbag attorneys appearing before him in a matter would be classic.
I like it. Glen for the Supreme Court, yep, I like it.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
It’s easy to misunderstand the British attachment to having a hereditary figurehead. For some they would sooner have Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles wealding no political power than say a President Blair.
Many of us Brits have no attachment whatsoever to the royal family. I, for one, have deliberately shunned all royal baby stories and genuinely am unable to name any of the new tranche of aristocratic parasites.
For the record, as awful as it would have been, president Blair would certainly have been preferable to having a monarchy!
With social mobility so limited in the UK, and royal held in such esteem by the establishment, it feels more like a caste system than a class system.
Does the Intercept know that this place is infested?
Glenn your right on the money, with your scribbling here; every so often we get a piece from you lad, so your not all bad.
But ya gotta stop hiring the leftovers from WaPo or the Guardian or NYT.
I tell you this, though, and I think you know it already.
Hillary Clinton’s the next set of testicles in the White House.
And to tell you the truth, she got bigger coleonis than Trump, Jeb, that fuckin looser Cruz, any of them really.
I mean now that all the dirt has and will be coming out on the rest. She will look like the best, and besides.
The female voter is sick and tire of the men running the place into the ground.
Too bad she such a godam hawk.
I always suspected the jazz player was out of his league. Too busy lookin slick. The Monica thing, Hillary handled it like a champ. And that one point alone, will drive it home for the women voter.
And Hillary was the power behind the throne, especially after Monica; she has already been President once.
The powers that be, like Hillary, she the choosen one of Henry K.
She may be “chosen”, by a corrupt system, but not by me.
This woman will choose the candidate with honesty, integrity, and trustworthiness, and you know who that person is!
So quit speaking for women, generally, because you’re dead wrong.
All right then, I’ve offended ya…my apology.
“This woman will choose the candidate with honesty, integrity, and trustworthiness, and you know who that person is!” -BJ
…there’s an honest and trustworthy politician running for POTUS. Fuck ya stop watchin the news for five minutes and they slip one by ya. Who is it? God tell me please.
BTW…just curious what’s BJ stand for ;)
This woman (I’m 59) wouldn’t vote Hillary Clinton for clerk of court. After New Hampshire, I made my first campaign donation in 30 years, to Bernie Sanders.
I’m not sure I’d vote for her for dog-catcher much less clerk of the court. She doesn’t have any business having legal authority or influence over any human’s life, and I’d be a little concerned about her interactions with animals. If you’d pal around with Henry Kissinger, Madeline Albright, Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, or any number of a wide variety of neocon warmongers, gasbags and assorted fat cats up and down Wall Street, you aren’t like the vast majority of human beings on the planet and don’t have any business making any decisions that affect their day-to-day lives, much less an animal’s life. Then again apparently Hitler loved and was good to his dogs so there are no absolutes in discussing “human nature”.
Politically and economically she’s radioactive to me and a huge huge part of the problems in America. IMHO. The sooner she and Bill are put out to pasture or spending their remaining days grifting for the Clinton Foundation from Saudi despots, with the kids and grandkids, the better off the world will be. Again, IMHO.
I would be incensed if Clinton were allowed to handle dogs.
I’m trying to figure out where Hilary’s “coleonis” are. And neither Hilary nor her coleonis look attractive to me.
I think her “coleonis” are up on the top shelf of one of her many living rooms right next to the spot where she’s going to place her impending Nobel Prize for bombing the living baby bejeesus out of some poor fucks halfway around the globe in the name of her “constituents” very very important “interests”.
Her “coleonis” are on the nightstand next to her Detachable Penis
(h/t King Missile)
Hillary and her Corleones? She’s always had a special place in her “heart” for organized crime, particularly murder, extortion, arms dealing and thuggery.
If Hillary wants to run on her own merits, fine. Having Bill around is a distraction. If the President wanted to do her a favor, he’d make an interim appointment and name Bill as ambassador to Turkmenistan.
As for George W., he’s welcome to say that his brother will do a heckuva job.
Sorry, Michael, another woman here who wouldn’t vote for Hillary to clean my toilet let alone handle dogs, cats or a country.
As for her infamous coleonis, I suppose there are a few possible translations that might apply to your actual intent:
1. Cojones – in which case you have chosen the wrong gonads. What you want are ovarios.
2. Coleus – I doubt Trump has one of these, of any size, but it might be a nice change of pace to plant one on top of his head in place of the animal pelt. Benefit: they come in some really rad colors these days.
3. Colonic – what we’re all likely to need once this trainwreck of an election season is over. :-s
Hahaha…too funny.
Ah I’m glad to see the women stand up, and say we won’t have a woman with coleonis in the white house.
Jumpin purple jesus on a unicorn, another day in paradise…is’nt it wondwerful.
But all close family members are not created equal. JB is the “remarkably inept candidate” when judged against his brother the President, known mostly for his own ineptness. HRC appears remarkably competent even compared to her husband the President, who, despite certain personal failings, is orders of magnitude more competent than the average in the Bush family.
I am pretty sure that the correct measure is not current wealth, but rather how few generations removed the candidate is from the family member who first grabbed onto the wealth and power.
It’s not OK for me to have a royal dynasty, the Republic stands against the idea of a hereditary monarch, with or without royal titles, and we’re heading back in that direction. Stop the train now, before it gains steam.
The last time I saw Bill Clinton, it was at a visit to my alma mater and he discussed his friendship with GHW Bush, and their annual fishing trip. It was an engaging story, but once out of his reality distortion field I felt it as a betrayal of everyone who voted for him in 1992. In 1991-2 there was great fear of what this CIA director from a powerful and well connected family would continue to do, given another term. He with the leader who established the pattern of our current wars under false pretenses with media blackouts, and allowed direct theft from the US treasury by private banks, for the benefit of his family and friends. Then Clinton gave use the police state, mass incarceration and Gramm–Leach–Bliley opening the floodgates for fascism driven by the banking elite. We don’t need dynasties in this country. Although not strictly forbidden by the constitution, many of us today see them as a mere stone’s throw from royal titles –
Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
And while Bernie Sanders might be highly imperfect in many ways and not the solution to all of what ails the US, he is at least starting a conversation and making it possible to expand the realm of what is politically and economically possible in America. And I think that has value–at least enough to earn my primary vote.
http://www.theguardian.com/global/2016/feb/16/the-issue-is-not-hillary-clintons-wall-st-links-but-her-partys-core-dogmas
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2016/feb/16/thomas-piketty-bernie-sanders-us-election-2016
This article illustrates one of the many many reasons I would never vote for an American like Hillary Clinton for President. And I say that based on the following ideas/values (albeit my own): a nominally “democratic” political system should not, as a normative matter, permit or encourage in any way the idea of “professional politician” as a “career” much less the appearance of “dynastic career political families”.
And I believe this should never be the case for several very simple reasons: 1) in a nation of 300 + million human beings you are never going to convince me that any one family or its members (extended or otherwise) has a “lock” on “merit” (almost never the case) or “new ideas” (in fact generally they don’t), 2) “nepotistic” opportunity may be okay for regular folks in the economic world (it is understandable and doesn’t offend me when a person helps a family member or friend get a foot in the door with an employer), it should never be okay as a function of our democratically elected political class or with regard to “public service” that’s why there are civil service exams, 3) nepotism or dynastic impulses in a democracy are stifling to political creativity, innovation and democratic responsiveness to the interests of the vast majority of your living breathing “constituents/citizens” (i.e. you become personally and professionally “captured” by those most “like you” (class, socially etc.) in a “technocratic ideological” sense, and 4) it strikes me as antithetical to the idea of true “public service” when a relative handful of families, generationally, all run for and attain access to the highest levels of political power in this nation.
Now I could make all the pro and con arguments for term limits for politicians–both sides genuinely have merit. But I think on balance, for the reasons above, and in the interests of democratically cycling “new blood” through the halls of power and governance, that even the popular (or knowledgeable) politicians should be term limited–President should be 3 four year terms at most rather than 2, Senators 3 six years terms at most, and Representatives 3 four year terms instead of two year terms. This might, theoretically and in the absence of a Constitutional Amendment or public financing of elections, create a new dynamic where politicians don’t spend all day every day grubbing for money for elections and force them to run on their ideas and responsiveness to the vast majority of their living breathing citizen constituents. I also think, it might force those elected, assuming they actually do want to influence the system, to forge compromises with their fellow electeds knowing full well that they do not have lifetime political sinecures, and the power that goes with them, and that it is their ideas and work on behalf of constituent interests that should be the hallmark of their tenure in office not their ability to amass and wield power (IMHO in a democracy access to power like that should be relative brief for a wide variety of reasons).
Moreover, I will never be convinced that it should be okay in a nominal democracy, for a former President, Senator or Representative to immediately leave office and legally be eligible to engage in such things as lobbying or otherwise economically trading in any way on the “insider” knowledge and connections one gains as a “public servant”. It should be against the law for a minimum of 5 years. Low level “civil servants” can lose their jobs for even relative small “gifts” from the public, yet our elected officials are incentivized to take payola (direct qui pro quo or not).
If your only “economic life skills” are as a “professional politician” or post-term “lobbyist” of your fellow former colleagues then you really probably never had an interest in true public service in the first instance, or any viable “skills” that should have qualified you as citizen legislator or executive branch official in the first instance. Millions of economic opportunities in America for the politically well connected, but your chance to directly influence the system and direction of this country should be limited to your individual vote or non-paid advocacy after your term in elected federal office (or state office for that matter).
And yes of course I understand such a worldview would likely have First Amendment implications and a host of other potential Constitutional issues. I’m just saying that in an ideal world (mine anyway) we’d have a political system auguring towards ensuring that those who choose to run and serve in “public office” aren’t using those positions to personally enrich themselves or maintain some lifetime hold on political power. Just my $0.02.
Politicians are human beings and in no way “unique” or “superior” to the other 300 + citizens of this country except in the desire and ability to seek personal power and do almost anything to maintain it.
I’m very curious as to what you think about lifetime appointments of judges.
@ avelna2001
Again there are good arguments on both sides for and against lifetime appointments. The biggie against lifetime appointments is that it is highly anti-democratic (although I’m one who is pretty conflicted about whether judges should ever be “democratically” elected in the first instance vs. vetted by colleagues and politicians and appointed absent direct “democratic” involvement).
If it wasn’t for the fights and political morass that accompanies confirmation of appointments to the federal bench, at least in the present day, I’m inclined on balance, again, to limit federal judges (including the Supremes) to 2X the maximum term of a possible sitting President i.e. 24 years.
For me, the same calculus applies as it does for politicians. Particularly in the present day and age, the world changes fast. Social, political and economic relationships in our society and all over the globe can change very quickly. That is not to say some older folks or those who have been in one position or station in life can’t necessarily “evolve” along with society, but the bench is by definition, IMHO, a very conservative institution and generally speaking a “lagging indicator” of popular sentiment or a quickly evolving world (again that’s both good and bad in some respects).
But as a lawyer, I can fairly confidently say that most lawyers probably won’t ever possess the practical legal experience (in both breadth, depth and practice years) as a practicing lawyer to be “fit” for the federal bench until you approach 40 years of age although there are exceptions obviously. But seems to me 24 years on the bench is long enough.
All federal judges have an extremely stable retirement financially so forcing retirement from the federal bench (and nothing is stopping them from going back into the active practice of law or into academia at that age if money or prestige is a concern) after 24 years of service or a certain age (say 70) is something I’d have no problem with and don’t believe would cause any disruption to the quality of the federal judicial branch in this country. But again, on balance, I’m for cycling new blood into positions that have so much power over peoples lives.
Glen, I’m sure you’re very well aware of this. When are you and this site going to start covering what’s really going on? Almost a decade now, almost two years after revelations, and nothing but silence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0U-Y9wKmHs
Nice “mailed in” article Captain Obvious
I’m sure you’re very busy working on an in depth article criticizing Russia for bombing hospitals in Syria.
I’ll wait patiently
And the Clinton family is now very wealthy and Hillary is now running for POTUS. Therefore the line is not false.
Here’s a headline:
a couple takeaways,
Ending mass incarceration is “worrying”… to Chelsea. Perhaps the Clintons really need the private prison lobby money to make ends meet? Or perhaps Chelsea is afraid of all those “superpredators” coming after her?
And Chelsea thinks that her mom’s opponent wants to be a king? Is that the reason Chelsea’s gotten into politics, to save America from the dynastic ambitions of the small clique of rich elite families with the last name ‘Sanders”?
…On the other hand, perhaps, what really scares the Clintons, is that Sanders isn’t the only one in America who is coming to see what is possible when millions of people take on the rich few.
For me, the worrying thing about Sanders’ plan to end mass incarceration is that he as president would have little or no ability to bring it about. As Chelsea Clinton correctly noted, the vast majority of US prisoners are in state facilities over which the president has no authority. Even if every single federal prisoner were released, the US would still have more people incarcerated than any other country. But maybe Sanders thinks his Revolution will inspire Americans to storm all the prisons, Bastille-style.
Glenn if you run you have my vote.
No need for him to run – he has the right to stand his ground.
Yes, I’d vote for him standing his ground, also. :^)
In Colorado it’s called “Make my Day,” you know, all very optimistic sounding.
>”No need for him to run – he has the right to stand his ground.”
Moreover, people who have a leg to stand on should be ‘forced’ into positions of political power and authority, imo. Against their will, if necessary. No ‘running’ required. *It’s all that “running” what does it, benitoe, and seems to drive them all crazy (like a dog chasing his own tail!) or/and bankrupt … if you don’t have a spare Billion to Make Trump Great Again.
Also, since we’re playing political hardball, the tactical move for Obama would be to nominate Glenn Greenwald for the newly opened SCOTUS position … just to piss-off majority leader Mitch ‘money is free speech’ McConnell, if nothing else.
*since there is no chance of any nominee being confirmed by the Senate before 2017, maybe, this would serve to burnish Obama’s liberal/progressive legacy, maybe, with no skin off his politically conservative nose, while leaving Glenn free to indulge his addiction/obsession in finding everything that Twitters … is not gold.
You need a lot of money to finance a presidential campaign. Most of the media would not provide free campaign propaganda like TI does for Sanders. Quite funny when rich Americans, Greenwald, Moore, Chomsky…talk as if they are part of the lower class.
Well, we can blame the U.S. Supreme Court for that, with its ridiculous ‘corporate personhood’ precedents dating back to the 19th century, with its even worse Citizens United decision, which claims “free speech” allows unlimited secret contributions and spending, and that limits on “free speech” are unthinkable – although “free speech” doesn’t allow you to scream ‘fire’ in a crowded theater, does it?
And speaking of ‘corporate personhood’, well then where is the ‘corporate death penalty’ for criminal corporations? The death penalty only applies to human beings, is that their legal interpretation? No cruel and unusual punishment for Wall Street, regardless of what they get up to? Here, have a deferred prosecution agreement for laundering billions in drug cartel cash – I don’t give a damn, just so long as you keep financing my political campaign! Now excuse me, it’s time for my ”tough on crime” speech. . .
It all looks like something approaching a Soviet Brezhnev Central Committee system to me, with billionaires and their apparatchiks serving the roles of Minister of Information, Minister of Heavy Industry, Minister of Agriculture, Minister of Finance, etc. – a centrally controlled economy spiraling down into a pit of incompetence, stupidity and greed.
Most democratic countries, by the way, impose limits on campaign spending, to ensure a level playing field:
http://prospect.org/article/how-our-campaign-finance-system-compares-other-countries
Robert Reich wrote a few years ago after the Citizen’s United ruling that he’d believe corporations are actually people when Texas executes one.
Moore is pretty rich. I doubt Greenwald and Chomsky are super wealthy. In any case, there’s nothing about affluence — particularly honestly attained affluence — that precludes anyone from siding with the “lower class” or generally having compassion toward the less fortunate. No one is claiming that poverty is an ideal we must strive to reach. I think it’s perfectly fine to want a good standard of living for everyone, at the same time that massive concentrations of wealth are denounced.
“In any case, there’s nothing about affluence — particularly honestly attained affluence — that precludes anyone from siding with the “lower class” or generally having compassion toward the less fortunate.”
Greenwald and Chomsky are actually rich Americans, probably among the top 2% percent of the IRS tax bracket. Only the cult followers take them seriously whenever they are bashing capitalism, US corporations or US military. They are both making huge amount of money from capitalism and US corporations. Do not let Chomsky’s shirt fool you. Pay attention to his house, US military grants that financed his job and his Wall Street investments he keeps secret.
As Greenwald’s former law partner, I can guarantee you that he’s been anything but wealthy. After Snowden, his stock did rise, but before that, no. (In attempts to impugn his character right after the first Snowden stories, a rag published information about Greenwald’s burdensome student loans and tax debts.)
As he’s said in interviews, he was raised very poor by a single mother who worked at McDonald’s. Every penny he now has, he has earned.
He could be millionaire many times over by now had he stayed with the law firm he went to after law school, but they are attorneys for Goldman Sachs; as he’s said, that was killing his soul. So he left, voluntarily, to start his own firm.
The same values that have guided his own life choices are reflected in his approach to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. The world is a better place because this is so.
Yep it’s sad that attorneys are so constrained, financially, in what sort of careers they can pursue and in what sort of principled way. Particularly for someone who hates marketing and almost pathologically hates hanging out and socializing with other attorneys (with a few narrow exceptions of people who are attorneys I either went to school with or knew outside being an attorney).
Tough to make a fair living as an attorney as a do-gooder representing clients without money to pay a reasonable fee. You either take on a bunch of mindless transactional work, in part, or work for the rich to a lesser or greater degree just to pay the bills.
That’s my problem, I’m unwilling to do either just to make a living as a lawyer which is why I’m looking to find something else that can make good use of my legal education and skills. Hell I’d enjoy being a judicial clerk or JA but they rarely tap people with my background and experience. They pull younger recent law school grads or paralegals. And that’s a tough pull too in this job market.
I applied for one of the new regulatory positions in Oregon with the OLCC to oversee the implementation and compliance with new legalized recreational marijuana scheme. Actually it is very interesting to see an industry basically being created from scratch. And particularly an industry that is fun and not too environmentally onerous (if at all). Doubt I’ll get it though as I’ve heard they’ve received hundreds and hundreds of applications for a limited amount of positions. Oh well. Maybe someday.
Every time I hear some young person announce plans to go to law school I implore them to think a lot more, to investigate what the job prospects are, and what the typical work actually entails.
I’ve read that as high as 50% of lawyers end up doing something other than practicing law, and I believe it. Had I been able to go on to a Ph.D. in the sociology of religion without incurring debt, I might have gone that route. But, we were poor, had 3 kids, and I had to think in terms of getting out of that rut and at least solidly into the the middle class.
Yep people tried to talk me out of it too. And I always try and talk others out of it unless they have money, or are 100% aware of what the day-to-day life of a lawyer is and/or have a cush job for life all lined up (like with a family business as in house counsel).
I’m actually not in too bad of shape as far as student loan debt goes (having zero as an undergrad). I had a near full academic achievement scholarship at law school the entire first year, which they renewed for the second, but I transferred because I wanted to be in Oregon rather than Florida after a year in that humid hellhole. I’ll be indifferent when the entire place is returned to the ocean. I just hope the goofs living there don’t decided to move cross-country to the Pacific NW. Enough New Yorkers, Chicagoans and LA types here already for my taste.
But in any event I freaking hated everything about Florida except the Keys (mostly flat, ugly, humid and infested with roaches and garbage), and at that point not even my own financial self-interest was enough to keep me in school there. So I transferred home to L & C and didn’t really regret it.
Well, I’m going to keep my fingers crossed that you get the job with the OLCC. I have loved ones living in Oregon now who would no doubt benefit with you at the helm.
Well thanks. Don’t know about the rest, but if you have loved ones in Oregon you should come out to see them. Most beautiful state in the country IMHO. And not to say we don’t have a few goofballs here, both rural and urban, on the whole Oregonians are real salt of the earth and very hospitable folks who will bend over backwards to make you feel welcome.
I’ve got several buddies who all came out from Chicago after they graduated for college and to this day they say it blows there mind that total strangers walking down the street say “hey” or “hi” to you just in passing. They say they’ll never leave and I believe them. They are practically honorary natives they love it here so much.
Only thing they hate is it drives them insane how slow people drive here and that it makes them cuckoo when an Oregon driver stops in traffic to let someone entering from a driveway or side road into traffic. Native Oregonians almost never lay on the horn in traffic. If it happens you usually know it’s a transplant from somewhere else.
Actually, I helped my daughter and son-in-law move there last Fall (they moved to Portland from NYC of all places – such a contrast!) so I spent time with them then, but I had been there many times before. It is absolutely a beautiful state and the people are indeed very hospitable. Also very canine-friendly! (They got their first dog there from one of the area shelters.) And lots of micro-breweries! My only real problem is the lack of sunshine, having been born and raised in CO. (Though with climate change happening that may not be the case for much longer…)
and you never have to pump your own gas in OR :)
Good luck on the job prospect. Study up on how Washington state implemented legal weed and do something DIFFERENT!
Especially require the retailer to declare which, if any, pesticides were applied. Despite the State Initiative requiring organic production, there are over 200 pesticides now registered for use on plants with no requirement to declare use. Many patients vociferously complained about the potential impact of toxins on the infirm but to no avail. Patients are also limited to 3 ounces of flowers – that will keep a seriously ill patient for about a month. OR currently allows 8 ounces possession; better but still insufficient. Cannabis is an annual crop so the patient should be able to possess up to one year of supply.
You are right about the OR driver, we’re careful not to drive over them …
In CO an individual can grow up to 6 of his or her own plants and a family unit can grow up to 12 plants (with restrictions on how many at one time can be harvestable.) This bypasses the pesticide problem if you have the wherewithal to grow your own. Of course, you’re not allowed to grow them where others might actually see them or have access to them…
“That’s my problem, I’m unwilling to do either just to make a living as a lawyer which is why I’m looking to find something else that can make good use of my legal education and skills”
I have read your arguments here. You do not have legal education and skills. You do not even have a basic understanding of history and international laws. These are your words:
“The point being, Russia has 100X the claim to Crimea than the US does to any place on the globe it claims it has when it goes around invading and bombing the shit out of”
The whole court (including freshmen students) would laugh at you. America invading 50 countries, North Korea invading South Korea, China invading Tibet have absolutely nothing to do with Russia that blatantly violated international laws. Stalin who killed millions of Russians have nothing to do with Saddam who killed thousands of Iraqis.
Whoever picks you as a lawyer is more stupid than you are.
@ truth&Freedom
Did you say something? Here’s a newsflash–as far as I’m concerned your opinions rank somewhere between the cheesy malodorous sebaceous secretion that builds up under your foreskin (not mine as someone stole mine near birth) and the taste of menudo. Neither of which I find appealing in any way so I try my best to avoid coming into contact either. That’s what I think your opinions.
So now that we’ve got that out of the way, maybe we can find a way to ignore each other. If not I can take it as good as I can dish it out. Most people, however, eventually get tired of being on the receiving end of my attention when I get good and riled up. So fair warning. Probably best we just avoid each other in the future so as not to be a distraction to otherwise decent threads.
“So fair warning. Probably best we just avoid each other in the future so as not to be a distraction to otherwise decent threads.”
Fair warning. I will always be around to expose your stupidity and ignorance. Idiots like you help me present the point that TI followers do no think for themselves. If you do not like it, then have your own private website where only idiots like you would be allowed to comment.
1) Greenwald, not you, should be talking about how much money he has, how much money he received from US corporations and how much money he has made thanks to the US capitalist system.
2) Since you know so much about him, tell us how much he got from Sony Corporation. Do you know Sony Corporation? It is one of the US companies Greenwald described as a propaganda machine.
We all make a living off of the capitalist system as best we can. That’s the system that’s in place globally. It’s ridiculous to suggest you can’t be critical of capitalism if you do.
There is a huge difference between criticizing a system in order to make it more efficient for the majority and describing a system as immoral, destructive…while continuously taking advantage of that system.
As usual, a brilliant articulation of the situation Glenn. However, like some of the other commenters, I also take issue with the characterization of the “last 5 presidents” coming from the same “wealthy two families”. There’s a sense of resignation that the hidden PTB will not allow the Sanders candidacy from gaining enough traction to really threaten Hillary, whose support is mostly superficial and crumbling exponentially with each passing poll. I disagree; I think that the People will finally be allowed a true champion of their choosing when the moment of reckoning is upon them, and even so, it’s not likely (IMHO) that this upcoming election will be held ‘on time’ if at all, and even if it is, the current resident of the Ofal Office will be its last. Mark my words.
I had a similar reaction to 24b4Jeff below, who complains that
Mr. Greenwald responds, saying
Yes, that is true. It also makes the line reproduced below false.
Assuming Hillary wins (which I think was implied by the phrasing), we have (going backwards in time) (5) Hillary Clinton — rich, (4) Obama — not, (3) W. — rich, (2) Bill Clinton — NOT, (1) H.W. — rich. So that is 3/5 not 4/5.
Though of course 4/5 would still come from two families.
Very upstanding families, though. (/s)
I think you want to look at who is funding and controlling these apparatchiks, rather than just looking at their personal wealth. For example, what would Clinton wealth look like with Goldman Sachs speaking fees and Walmart board positions? Where would they be without that? Flogging real estate in Arkansas?
And the Bushes – without grandaddy Prescott Bush’s deals via Union Banking Corporation with Nazi Germany in Silesia, Poland? Where would George Bush Sr. be without Zapata Oil’s CIA connections? What would be the job description of George Bush Jr. be with Arbusto being bailed out by the Saudis? Used car salesman in Houston Texas?
Obama’s not much different – without Warren Buffet’s support in 2007, without the backing of Exelon Corp, he’d at best still be in Congress:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-obama_thuaug16-story.html
“Billionaire investor Warren Buffett stood next to Sen. Barack Obama at a country club fundraiser here Wednesday evening, praising the Illinois Democrat . . .”
That’s the same Warren Buffet whose Nevada utility just screwed over the solar industry in that state, via a backroom deal with the Nevada Public Utility Commission – ensuring that Buffet’s coal-fired electricity sales in Nevada don’t suffer from competition.
See a pattern here?
Granted.
I can’t help but think that this will blow back in the face of Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush, because this kind of backroom insider dealing is precisely what so many rational people are sick of. It reminds one of:
1) The backroom government bailout of huge banks and funds who had lost their shirts gambling in the Wall Street casino system – while so many first-time homeowners with rigged loans were pushed into foreclosure. Notice that, during the Great Depression, when a similar collapse (for similar reasons) took place, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt refused to bail out the banks, but instead extended government assistance to the homeowners. This time, Bush Administration officials cooperated with incoming Obama officials to give their top donors (Goldman, JP Morgan, etc.) whatever they wanted – while middle-class homeowners were kicked in the face – a huge wealth transfer from the middle class to the corporate elite.
2) The sleazy foreign policy deals between the United States and despotic regimes such as Saudi Arabia, as well as the persistence of the bloated foreign military budget of the United States, championed by both neoliberals (the Kissinger-Clinton axis) and neoconservatives (the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz-Perle-Bush axis) whose political and business interests directly benefit from kickbacks from that system (i.e. Saudis dumping money into the Clinton Foundation, or the hundreds of billions spent in Iraq on private contracts dispersed to the likes of Halliburton, Cheney’s employer). By the way, on that score, here’s a picture that speaks a thousand words:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/03/arabia-mccain-polesi-1024×712.jpg
Pelosi and Mccain, DNC and RNC insiders, chortling hand-in-hand as they sleaze up to the despotic Saudi Royals, who are illegally using U.S. weapons like cluster bombs to target civilians in Yemen, who clearly played a role in financing ISIS elements as an anti-Assad proxy force c. 2012 onwards, who behead political dissidents, who deny human rights supposedly sacred to the American world vision . . . unreal.
There are about a dozen other examples, but those two serve to make the point. This kind of thing gives a lot of credence to the notion that the American federal bureaucracy these days is run exactly like Brezhnev’s Soviet Union, i.e. a corrupt circle of sleazy insiders on a Central Committee making decisions based on their own personal greedy ambitions – with the result being widespread economic malaise, and, eventually, breakdown and collapse.
Notice the parallels? Such as America’s crumbling domestic infrastructure, an exact mirror of the crumbling Soviet domestic infrastructure during the Brezhnev era, similarly sacrificed on the altar of bloated military budgets?
So where’s our Gorbachev? As he said, “We simply can’t go on like this.”
Study the works of Gary Boyd Roberts…over 30 of our presidents are related by blood and or marriage…Mr. O is a 10th cousin of Dick Cheney as I recall…it’s a family business, Period.
This is a very popular confusion, but it’s wrong. There’s a fundamental difference between the Clinton “dynasty” and the Bush dynasty, which is the difference between a political ally and an unskilled princeling, the difference between a lucky liason and a lucky birth. One is partly under her control; the other is simply something he was handed.
Oh, I’m not saying that I won’t snicker a bit if the first woman in the White House gets there on her back. It’s the sort of thing that an ancestor from some long-dead and politically incorrect generation might have rolled his eyes and suggested with a snigger, and I’m no better. But truth be told, almost all the candidates have gotten where they are by letting someone take undue liberties, and most of them have no children to show for it, just PAC records like Cruz’s that show that three donors funded him for $10 to $15 million a pop.
So Clinton I would say is a bit ahead of the pack in that regard, while Bush is far behind them. One represents, well, a distinct lack of hope for change; but the other represents only an abject and direct surrender.
Perhaps the ruling US families should develop their special crests.
The Clintons’, for example, could be an large penis with a distinguishing characteristic and a pair of hot pants. The Bush’s… I’m thinking of a monkey brain?
Nay, a palm tree from the beach where the real Bush with the real office, I mean, the one who first headed the CIA, met with the Iranians to cut the deal for an arms-for-hostages swap …. but only after they held the hostages long enough for Carter to lose the election. That’s where the Republicans earned their office, and how.
Absolutely; that “October Surprise”, along with the “Sept [2001] Surprise” created by the same emboldened perps who conspired on that first “October Surprise” , are largely responsible, so maybe include an image of the planet Jupiter, in honor of the island where much of that was concocted.
There’s nothing wrong with the family members of a former president running as long as they reflect the higher self and will govern justly according to the constitution and are competent.
An interesting hypothetical.
No, there is something that seems illegitimate about it. If they weren’t relatives of former presidents, we probably wouldn’t know who they are. I can’t prove it, but that’s a reasonable intuition.
Why is it illegitimate? A son/daughter can strongly disagree with his/her parents. King Juan Carlos of Spain was not a believer in absolute power as opposed to his family members who were in power before him.
Relatedly:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176104/tomgram%3A_peter_van_buren%2C_minimum_wage%2C_minimum_chance/#more
Relatedly:
I agree … I think we’re all related a little bit. %^)
Not sure how that happened…
I’m really so sorry to hear about David and the mugging and I hope is not bothered by the violent act of taking his belongings and shaking him up. WCIA
…all of which adds up to a royal pain in the arse for Usians. I would, sin embargo, remind that the Windsors are not merely decorative but have enormous land holdings and wealth amongst them.
Also, not to be forgotten is patriarchy’s requirement of heirs to maintain its dominance. That the gender of the inheritors to title has become less significant in the 21st century is interesting but not surprising.
It’s too easy to snipe at Barbara Bush — though, of course, her early mistake of dropping out of Smith to marry what’s his name has had dire consequences for the world.
I would be interested in your comments on the Brazilian political dynasties.
Why?
That said, neither Dilma nor Lula – the country’s last two presidents – were the beneficiaries of political dynasties. Quite the opposite: they both came from extremely modest backgrounds (in Lula’s case, extreme poverty) with no family connections of any kind.
There is former President Sarney and his daughter, and other families mostly in the the Northeast…
It’s a strange world. First day back on the job and Glenn Greenwald is channeling Donald Trump.
*Look on the bright side, Glenn. Barbara Bush could be running …
BUSH: And he has had the gall to go after my brother.
TRUMP: The World Trade Center came down during your brother’s reign, remember that.
BUSH: He has had the gall to go after my mother.
Hold on. Let me finish. He has had the gall to go after my mother.
TRUMP: That’s not keeping us safe.
BUSH: Look, I won the lottery when I was born 63 years ago, looked up, and I saw my mom. My mom is the strongest woman I know.
TRUMP: She should be running.
The truth is that
the spirit and desires of Barbara Bush
are running for president within the campaigns of
all of the republicans and
within Hillary Clinton’s campaign also.
The Sanders campaign is suspect to the extent that it
does not entirely separate itself from the establishment.
Time will tell how the establishment will possibly reduce
or eliminate the Sanders campaign because he and his supporters
are still within the establishment’s yard.
So far, Jill Stein still has her integrity.
Perhaps the greatest delusion of human minds is the belief
that human beings are capable of sanity.
Genetic proximity does not preclude the fact that each of us
may belong more closely to a “family” of like-minded beings
who appear to NOT be our relatives.
This is an example of why it is important to look beyond
words and sentimental interpretations and try to delineate
the effects of real actions.
No recent administrations have been as beneficial to the
Bush family and their class-mates in the church of
privatizing corporate capital domination
than have the administrations of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
These two administrations have encouraged and guaranteed
complicity between democrats and republicans
in the predatory corporate domination
over everything and everyplace.
This religiosity of capitalist domination
(which is a variation of the sleazy “Divine Right of Kings”)
started accelerating toward the end of World War II with the
devotional attacks on anything socialist or communal.
It lurched through the 1960’s and 70’s
(trying to appear as if it was something more humane) and then
it shifted into a higher gear in the 1980’s. Each subsequent
administration makes another turn in same direction while
the track keeps expanding wider and wider while they run over
more and more people and while the corporate loud-speakers
continue to convince the victims to cheer their complicity
in victimization and degradation under their
god of militarized money.
The fake U$A now operates under the belief and celebration
that Bald-faced Lying and Greed
are THE most important constitutional rights.
Antonin Scalia is far from dead. His perversity is thriving within
the democrat and republican systems of predatory exuberance.
Would Bernie Sanders be able to succeed without “overwhelming support of the oligarchical circles?” I’d like to think so.
Nice piece Glenn.
Please do one on the Clinton Foundation as time allows. The notion that a sitting Secretary of State would strong arm millions from foreign governments for a personal family “foundation” is astounding, much of the revenue circling back to her personal accounts. Yet the media yawn….
The majority of the media, perhaps, “yawns” because, as Jay Rosen characterized it, some stories are too big to tell. There are stories that could be told, and should be told, but they overwhelm journalism as it is currently practiced. Too complicated, too twisted, too nuanced, too byzantine, too something… to be placed in a narrative by a press that is fully out of alignment with its readers.
That said, there is at least one source that took on that “too big to tell” story and made it coherent. I’d warn that it’s not a pleasant read….
“The Clinton System” by Simon Head; NYRB
Despair all ye who enter there.
Hope you had a good vacation. Missed your incisive essays. Oligarchy will manifest only to the extent that the voters allow it to. Voter education is important. But give the extent that elections are rigged, little will change. A watershed time is ahead in the next few months as the battle over SCOTUS unfolds. What can we do to move it in the progressive direction?
Glenn,
it is unnecessary to embellish the story with the half-truth that both families are wealthy; Clinton’s background is quite humble, even middle class. There is of course a dynastic element involved, and one can legitimately question whether either Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush (or George W. Bush, for that matter) would have achieved their current status without the connections that come with having a close family member as POTUS. Personally, I doubt that any of the three would have been anything more than successful small town lawyers had the stork plopped them down other chimneys.
I think that the attraction for celebrity, and the existence of political dynasties in this country, whether it be the Bush, Clinton, Kennedy or Roosevelt, has to do with a suppressed longing for royalty, part of the national DNA thanks to our irrational attraction to the UK. People talk about the US being a meritocracy, but in politics like everything else having connections is the primary thing, and those with connections do everything then can to ensure that the playing field is not level.
In speaking of dynasties, I was focused entirely at the Presidential level. There are of course many others, like the Daleys in Chicago, the Longs in Louisiana, the Browns in California, and so on. It exists at every level, and in every aspect of our lives. Nepotism rules.
Hillary Clinton is running for President in 2016. In 2016, she and her husband are worth hundreds of millions of dollars: extremely rich by any measure.
It’s true that Bill was raised in a fairly poor background. Citing Obama, I specifically mentioned that there are exceptions still where people from poor and non-influential backgrounds can get elected, although only by attracting oligarchical support (Obama was overwhelmingly backed by Wall Street in 2008, and Clinton was elected in 1992 by promising to corporatize the Democratic Party).
But this is a column about the 2016 race, and in that race, Hillary – like Jeb – is from an extremely rich family.
Oligarchies are good at identifying people who will be useful to them, and offering them shares in the corporation. But not too many shares. The Clintons by all accounts are worth less than $200M combined, and this relative financial insecurity makes them all the more pathetically eager to serve.
Oligarchies always demand good value for money.
I assume that the more you get the higher the bar for financial insecurity becomes.
Your talking about the Clintons foundation Piggy bank…right?
Did you forget Mena…that moneys buried in a big mattress.
For fucks sake the two of them made something like 160 million in speaking fees alone since 2001.
$200 million me arse, pull the other leg Bennie its got bells on it.
Lol…200 million…bwahahahhaaa…too funny.
… “extremely rich by any measure.” No, not by the measure of the “tiny number of extremely rich families” that control U.S. institutions, whom you cited here in that link to the NYT. By that standard, the Clintons’ wealth is utterly insignificant.
And this point is central to your subject here, because, as you pointed out, the Clintons would not be a political dynasty without the support of that small group of the extrememly rich. They’re dependent upon that group. That’s an illustration of the outsized power that this grotesque concentration of wealth confers, which is obviously more power than that of those who hold the dynasty itself. Even the personal wealth of the goddamn Clintons (and the Bushes, too, I guess) is politically impotent because it’s so dwarfed by the wealth of those 158 families.
That’s why the words “extremely rich” don’t belong in the penultimate sentence of this article–because they imply a falsehood. The Clintons’ and Bushes’ own wealth has nothing to do with their dynasty.
I enthusiastically participate in your derision of an American aristocracy, and especially any hypocritical oligarchy-class privileges – like that conditional rule of law they currently enjoy.
Why is oligarchy so widespread and successful? The obvious answer is because it works. But why does it work?
The key to effective leadership of a country is to align the interests of the country with the interests of its leaders. What stronger incentive than to know you will leave the country in the hands of your close relatives and descendants? A monarchy accomplishes this too, but risks inbreeding. In an oligarchy, a weak seed like Jeb can be weeded out in favor of a more vigorous Hillary.
In addition, it’s relatively easy to give an oligarchy a patina of democratic legitimacy, by allowing the people to choose which member of the oligarchy they would like to see as their nominal leader. So it’s a win-win.
It’s nice that The Intercept doesn’t adopt an artificial stance of objectivity, by pretending that all systems of government are equal. The merits of oligarchy should be celebrated.
Indeed. Your wisdom is boundless!
My favorite part of the whole system is how easy it is to say “I’m going to regulate _____” and then use the tidal wave of votes that induces to hand ________ immense power over their enemies. Sanders is perhaps the pinnacle of that strategy, and you and I will have a grand time if he is elected, laughing and imbibing while the plebeians rejoice in their own demise.
Um, why do you say that exactly? About Sanders. He seems like the best of the worst to me.
Sanders wants the government to allocate income, education, healthcare, and whatever else sounds good. But the problem with the system he’s ostensibly fighting is that power (rather than say, merit as judged by voluntary customers) allocates too many resources. He and I agree on that. But Sanders’ approach is adding fuel to the fire. My view is that giving the government more authority over the use of resources is moving in exactly in the wrong direction and will not turn out well for his supporters. Of course, reasonable people can disagree on that, but I don’t think the weight of history is on Sanders’ side. By all means, if you can “get money out of politics” by having every big economic decision go through D.C., go right ahead. It makes no sense to me, though.
Kind of over my head, but I’ll chew on it, thanks.
No problem. It may not be over your head; the problem may be with me. I have been fairly accused of opaque writing before, so allow me to recommend George Stigler’s “The Economic Theory of Regulation,” for a clear exposition of my basic point — the more you “regulate,” the more incentive there is for people to lobby regulators. And what you get is exactly what Sanders rails against.
*Haha* Thank you – hopefully there’s a Wikipedia entry on that. Doubt I could get through a book. I’m more of an arts and letters person :-)
Not really a problem if you could change the law consistent with the idea that “individuals” can lobby their government for redress of any grievance, but that “right” it is an individual one, non-transferable and you can’t pay anyone to do it for you.
If you’ve got such important “interests” in life, I’m sure you’ve got the cash and time to spend some of it marching down to your local regulator or political representative’s office like the vast majority of human beings have to do if they want to have their say about some political or regulatory.
But then again, rich folks appear to love to have their paid vassals and wage surfs doing their dirty work for them. To bad the latter don’t wise up, stop playing ball, and let the rich try to figure out how to advance their own political interests, on their own dime, on their own two feet with enough solidarity with other like minded rich individuals. Much easier to pay others I guess. So much to do for the rich, and so little time to do it I guess.
Oh right, that’s my bad, it’s just the immutable “laws of economics” at play in life. Nothing much you can do about it really, particularly when your imagination is constricted or constrained by the fallacy that there are such things as “immutable laws of economics”.
That was an nice big spoonful of arsenic, flowing over and dripping with high fructose corn syrup. WTF
Your were born with silver spoon in yer pie hole.
They eat their fuckin young.
And all the rest propaganda, an vast illusion factory and army of knucle draggers that are easily bought off and like the alpha male clusterfuck.
This ain’t any better that Rome 1 A.D. Bennie.
You make is sound like its the most logical solution for governance.
Are you a journalist Ben, because you have that kind of literary swagger.
Glenn, are you still under the impression that we live under a fair and transparent political system? If not, why so outraged by this situation? there is no ‘democracy’ in America, only the illusion of freedom to chose…
Yet another iteration of, “Why are you surprised”?
Why are you not embarrassed beyond words when you read back to yourself how you go about making yourself seem wise and smart to … Yourself?
What, no coffee yet?
Eh, if there ever was a case for the canned “Why are you surprised?” retort, this would be it. I enjoyed the article but surely no one learned anything from it. Bill campaigning for Hillary? Related to Hillary? Bushes related? Support each others’ campaigns? Entrenched oligarchy based on wealth and family power? You don’t say!
Great photo. Reminds of the expression “Cheek by jowl.”
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/cheek+by+jowl
Glenn, great commentary. Just wondering why your output seems to have dropped off so much? Has it? Really miss reading your work more than 1x/week.
I was on vacation for 8 days, returning only on Saturday. That’s why I hadn’t written for the last week. Otherwise, I think the output is pretty consistent.
Welcome back, and I hope you are well rested. The quality of TI suffered seriously in your absence!
Indeed, welcome back! Hopefully your break was restful and carefree. I’m looking forward to your insights on the current debacle of the SCOTUS circus.
Good thing the major parties are the same; otherwise the SCOTUS circus might matter.
Welcome back Glenn. I hope you had some quality downtime while you were off and that you were able to completely ignore the crazy.
I second avelna. I’m acutely interested to hear your analysis of Scotus Interruptus.
Thanks for taking the time to respond, and to clarify that you were away. Hope you enjoyed your time off!
I guess it’s testament to the impact of your work (on me) ongoing that when you take barely more than a week’s vacation, I feel like a crucial voice is missing from my (reading) world. lol.
(Hope it didn’t sound like I was suggesting you were shirking, btw!)
And the dynasties have relied on the Republican and Democratic party.
It was some time ago, maybe in 2012, when Glenn spoke at a College Civil Liberty tour with Bruce Fein and the Future of Freedom Foundation.
Glenn pointed out that the strongest criticism to him has come from “liberals.” When he wrote about W Bush and Cheney, the left was in full support of his work. But when he used the same criticisms to Obama, he was attacked.
Something that was new to me was that both parties are in agreement on the major issues and fight over fringe issues. I sorta knew this, but Glenn made a solid case on this.
Related to this column, the two dynasties are tied to the failed oligarchy in the two factions. With Bernie bringing issues to the public debate, these two factions and they leaders are shown to be a fraud. And the longer the campaign goes on, people are learning about the bad things that Bill and Hillary have done and why it is time for them to pull back from the political stage.
That was a great talk.
It was very nice getting to meet both you and Glenn in the same evening. :-)
That reminds me of this:
Unlike Chelsea, I expect most women don’t have Goldman Sachs money ready to pay off their student loans. Nor do most women have the corporate media ready to pay them for their family connections.
It comes down to what is good, and what is bad for democracy, for regular people. This is the first election in the US I’ve witnessed where one of the leading candidates was even daring to broach the subject of “oligarchy”.
Yes! The use of the word oligarchy to describe the USA has only been around the last couple of years.
Has anyone written about when this term finally appeared in the US?
I would be very interested about this topic.
I recall my high school U.S. History teacher describing our political system as an oligarchy in 1985. As much as I would like to give him credit for the term’s recent rise to prominence, it was actually due to a widely-publicized study conducted at Princeton University.
Here it is in downloadable PDF format:
http://tinyurl.com/http-tinyurl-com-oligarchy