IN THE SPRING of last year, two New York women were arrested on charges of supporting ISIS, following a joint investigation by the New York Police Department along with federal agencies. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, Queens residents Noelle Velentzas and Asia Siddiqui “plotted to wreak terror by creating explosive devices.” Central to the disruption of this “terror plot,” authorities boasted, was the work of an undercover police detective, although no concrete plan was ever hatched. Indeed, as The Intercept reported, the unsealed criminal complaint reveals the undercover officer’s role in pushing the two women to turn their controversial political sentiments into something more dangerous. In this sense, the arrests were similar to a number of post-9/11 terrorism prosecutions, half of which have involved the use of informants or undercover agents, according to a 2014 report co-authored by Human Rights Watch, which raised concerns over “questionable” and “discriminatory” tactics.
At Brooklyn College, where I teach, news of the arrests prompted a chilling realization among students on campus. Years earlier, this same NYPD officer had come to Brooklyn College, “converted” to Islam, and spent the next four years infiltrating student life. In November, Gothamist broke the story: “Malike Ser” was the cop’s alias; she was known by the nickname “Mel.” There were no links between Mel’s years on campus and the investigation and arrest of Velentzas and Siddiqui (neither of whom went to Brooklyn College or any of the city’s public colleges) — a fact the NYPD has since acknowledged. What remains unclear is what, exactly, Mel was looking for on our campus.
Numerous students and graduates have spoken to me about Mel’s time on campus and the impact it has had on them. They remember seeing her beginning in March 2011 and continuing through into the winter of 2015. She befriended many young Muslim women, among them, those who were particularly political or religious. Students also remember her hovering around those who seemed vulnerable. Mel wormed her way into their friendships, their trips to Coney Island, their picnics and jokes. She even became a bridesmaid in one woman’s wedding. She inquired about their politics and mimicked their religious practices. Claiming she’d been raised in a secular Muslim Turkish family but now wanted to embrace Islam, she recited the Shahada, a declaration of Muslim faith, at the first meeting many students remember her attending, and later spent dozens of hours “praying” next to them. She participated in clubs on campus, joined numerous listservs, and invited students to go with her to events around the city.
Among the young women Mel befriended at Brooklyn College was Fatima (not her real name). A gifted political science student and a politically active, devout Muslim, Fatima came to my office in early 2012 following the Associated Press revelations of widespread NYPD spying on Muslims in New York — a tactic that included placing informants in local Muslim student associations, among them, one at Brooklyn College. The NYPD’s reasoning was partly laid out in its 2007 report titled “Radicalization in the West,” which deemed increased religiosity and political activism among Muslim young people as a dangerous sign of radicalization. The NYPD created a special force — identified by the AP as the “Demographics Unit” — to monitor Muslims for such signs of radicalization. The AP revelations confirmed what many young Muslims believed to be true, and brought to the surface pressures they had long felt. Fatima wanted to study the effects of this climate of fear and suspicion on her generation of Muslim students in New York.
In 2012, Fatima undertook a one-year independent study, writing her thesis around the topic. In the midst of that year, she told me that she suspected someone on campus was an informant. An informant at John Jay College had recently come forward admitting to having spied on fellow Muslim students, sending chills through student groups across the New York metro area. Fatima was right to be concerned, yet I was at a loss for words. I worried about students regarding one another with such suspicions, and it didn’t seem there was anything we could do. I did not ask whom she suspected. It would take 2 1/2 years to confirm Fatima’s suspicions of Mel. In a chilling irony, as Fatima worked on her thesis critiquing surveillance, Mel was surveilling her and her friends.
IN THE 14 YEARS since 9/11 — and particularly since 2008 when I began writing and speaking out about the civil rights violations occurring in a number of federal terrorism prosecutions (including the case of my former student, Syed Fahad Hashmi) — many Muslim students have come to my office in fear and in tears. They describe feeling constantly suspected by many Americans and by law enforcement. Their sense of security — to feel safe on campus or in their mosque, to build community, and to engage in politics — has been compromised. Islam is a welcoming religion, but now, they tell me, they have to view new community members with suspicion. Particularly the more politically engaged students have found themselves holding back in discussions, sometimes in class and especially outside of class. They worry that things they said could be taken out of context and that criticizing the treatment of Muslims in U.S. society could be grounds for more surveillance. After the AP’s investigation, signs went up in the offices of Muslim student groups across the city exhorting members not to discuss any politics whatsoever in these spaces. Many students stopped being active in the Muslim Student Association network out of fear of informants.
In her thesis, Fatima described how such surveillance changes you. Using Foucault’s theory of the panopticon (where social discipline is so pervasive that one internalizes it) and interviews with dozens of Muslim students throughout New York City, she wrote about the ways such state surveillance produces self-surveillance. She revealed how coming of age in the aftermath of 9/11, Muslim American students have grown up in the glare of suspicion and thus constantly feel they have to watch themselves. They watch how they talk in class, socialize, engage in political activities, participate — or don’t — in their mosque and MSA. And perhaps most significantly, surveillance has altered what young people allow themselves to think about or imagine for themselves.
In the months since the discovery of Mel’s time on campus, students and former students describe feeling even more vulnerable. They report repeated panic attacks, pervasive apprehension, and trouble concentrating. “If you let it, it’s enough to make you feel like you are losing your mind,” one former student observed. “There is no one who will call out the predatory targeting of you and your peers because as soon as you say the word ‘terrorist,’ the conversation is over.” Some feel guilty for not confronting Mel years earlier. And after the initial shock, a blanket of sadness has set in; the relentlessness of surveillance, as Fatima put it, means “you will never belong, my children will never belong.”
Students report carrying mental rolodexes, worrying about which friends, loved ones, or romantic interests might be an informant or a cop. “I created an ever-growing list of possible spies, which included everyone from classmates, professors, neighbors, friends, and even family members,” another former student wrote to me, describing her constant anxiety that it was only a “matter of days” before she too might be imprisoned on false terror charges. “The revelation of ‘Mel,’” another explained, “makes it difficult for me to trust anyone. … How can I meet new people, grow within my community and career, when the only thing I can think about is, Could someone within my close circle of trust be an informant?”
The NYPD refused to comment for Gothamist’s first piece; following the attention the article received, however, the department confirmed it had sent an undercover officer to Brooklyn College but denied charges of blanket surveillance. As Gothamist reported in its follow-up article, the NYPD claimed the “investigation” began in the spring of 2011, lasted “for most of a year,” and was closed in early 2012. No arrests were ever made. But, according to Gothamist, interviews with Brooklyn College students resoundingly contradicted the NYPD’s story, as Mel had continued cultivating friendships, attending events, and being present at meetings on campus throughout 2014. Notably, when students of color sought to form a unity coalition to bring together members from a variety of groups on campus (including black, Hispanic, and Muslim groups, as well as Students for Justice in Palestine), Mel attended their fledgling meetings in the spring and fall of 2014. Indeed, Fatima confided her suspicions to me well into the fall of 2012, long past the point when the NYPD claims to have closed its investigation.
Women whose mouths are taped in protest listen to speakers outside the Orange County District Attorney’s Office, Feb. 1, 2011, Santa Ana, Calif.
Photo: Jebb Harris/The Orange County Register/Zumapress.com
ON JANUARY 7, 2016, just days after Gothamist published a story contrasting the NYPD’s claims with the experiences of Brooklyn College students, a historic settlement was announced in two cases against the police department: Handschu v. Special Services Division and Raza v. City of New York. The resolution of the lawsuits, which had been filed in the wake of the AP revelations, was conditioned on a number of terms, including the appointment of a civilian lawyer with national security clearance to monitor the NYPD’s counterterrorism unit; the removal of the 2007 “Radicalization” report from the NYPD website; and the requirement that investigations not exceed three years and be based upon an “allegation or information that is articulable and factual” (although “such allegation or information need not have been verified as true or accurate”).
The settlement is an important development, but there is a danger in seeing the problem as resolved. While much of the coverage of widespread NYPD surveillance portrays it as occurring until the AP’s discovery in late 2011, Mel’s four years on campus largely took place in the wake of those revelations. In the settlement, the NYPD admitted no wrongdoing. In fact, speaking to reporters last month, Police Commissioner William Bratton took pains to reassure the public that the lawyer who will oversee the department’s counterterrorism activities “is not a monitor” and will work on a committee “controlled by the police department.” Nothing in the settlement would necessarily prevent what Mel did at Brooklyn College or give students a way to hold the NYPD accountable for abusing their rights or misleading the public about the extent of her activities on campus. Lengthy undercover “investigations” remain institutionalized through the agreement. While race, religion, or ethnicity cannot drive an official investigation, ideology still can — as it has over the past 15 years. Muslim students who become more religious or more political (who hold “Salafi” or “pro-Palestinian” or “radical” views) will likely remain potent targets for covert investigations.
As tempting as it is to focus on Mel herself, these tactics are not renegade actions. They are consistent with the NYPD’s and the FBI’s approach to Muslim communities after 9/11. They reveal how an “investigation” becomes a perch from which to spy on a community for years, how politically active and religiously conservative students become targets, and how efforts to form coalitions between students of color become suspect. Such political targeting has a long history —from attempts to root out “communists” on campus in the 1950s to the surveillance and disruption of Black Power and antiwar organizing on campus in the 1960s and 1970s (including the use of informants to sow distrust within those groups). Each time, we have come to see such tactics as excessive and degrading of civil rights. Yet here we are again.
Today, a deeper accountability is required. This kind of policing toward Muslim Americans exists because the public has countenanced it. Our tax dollars fund it. In many ways, Americans have acquiesced to the idea that “our safety” requires vigilance, which means more monitoring, more investigations, more preemptive prosecution. While many people have decried the indiscriminate surveillance of Muslim communities, there remains a widespread willingness to see certain kinds of ideas as dangerous. Armed with our fears, we allow this aggressive law enforcement, rarely having to look the consequences or these young people in the eye when we do.
For those coming of age under the glare of constant surveillance, the consequences are deeply destructive. “I desperately want to feel that I belong in this society and place that I call ‘home,’” a former student wrote to me, “but instead I feel like a despised insect, an intruder in someone else’s home.” Similar to the fundamental questions the young people of Black Lives Matter have raised before the nation, these young women wonder whose safety and security counts in American society. As Fatima wrote to me after finding out Mel’s true identity: “Whose safety is actually being prioritized when the invasive nature of the NYPD’s surveillance apparatus is criminalizing an entire faith-based community?”
Top photo: Youth board a school bus at the Albanian Islamic Cultural Center in Staten Island, N.Y., May 2007.
Subway photo: “untitled-23” by Ken Stein used under CC BY-NC-ND 2.0
Please,If you are a good person,try to assimilate.
Police also infiltrated the Black Panthers, the Ku Klux Klan, hippies and other groups that stand out, with the possible exception of Jews.
Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11. Nor with San Bernardino.
Only a bigot would think an entire community is somehow related to the action of some criminals. You don’t see white people holding each other accountable for Bush or Trump or the millions of victims of their bloody illegal wars.
Poor things.
I fear that I just don’t get it. If you want to be ‘accepted’ and un-insectlike, why not try to blend in to the parent society? Join groups that are not exclusively Muslim, wear Western clothing – if feeling accepted is really the motivation for your speech.
I don’t know how many groups I have joined that have contained spies, but I don’t really care because I am not a violent person.
Just live within the assurance that, so long as you do not associate with radicals or harbor such thoughts yourself, you’ve nothing to fear.
Segundus, So do I understand you…
are you stating that we don’t live in a Democracy?
Human beings need to find inner beauty and oneness in outer diversity.
That’s our challenge and should be our striving.
Surveillance works only on closed societies and groups. What and whom do these students want to hide from ? Violent thoughts of rejection of the society that they function in ? Mass murder of civilians ? If not why not be open and transparent about what they think and discuss ? Nothing subversive about discussing about Palestinian rights but it’s subversive to discuss about killing Israeli civilians. If they don’t know the difference because their parents didn’t teach them, then the Educators should teach them. Author of this article has not really dwelled into this aspect, only viewed the situation from a rights point of view. What’s the responsibility of the teaching community to enable students coming from diverse backgrounds to deal with inequalities of life in America and abroad without resorting to thoughts of murder and mayhem. Maybe NYPD ought to “infiltrate” the teaching community, so instead of inflaming subversive thoughts, we can normalize these students to confront perceived inequalities and injustices without thoughts of mass murder.
INFILTRATE……..how @ all agencies being TRANSPARENT?
But Israel for one is treating Al Nusra in its hospitals, a number of media reports are out there on this, including the Jerusalem post. It makes a mockery of this anti-extremism task force rubbish. I believe this surveillance is being done to intimidate and deliberately harras. and is part of a wider agenda.
I feel like this is happening to me now. I’ve always been a very vocal and staunch critic of capitalism and it’s potential dangers. I’ve known about how the government will spy on people who merely propose subversive ideas and challenge power structures. My parents were punks and subjected to harassment. Singers of bands were routinely spied on. This is not a new concept to me.
Lately Helicopters have been flying around my home, and when I try to post a politically charged comment, my devices go haywire sometimes. People think I’m overly paranoid, but i just know when things feel off. I honestly would like to believe I’m paranoid, but I just have that sinking feeling in my gut, that I’m not. I also suffer from severe depression, so I wonder if the combination of my mental illness (I have problems but I’m still lucid), and my political beliefs have made me a target.
There’s plenty of evidence that terrorism has nothing to do with the religion of Islam. Here’s Mehdi Hasan’s short video on it:
https://amp.twimg.com/v/55c7aed1-3132-4b24-8253-0a42a4792d3e
But Islam is being used by unscrupulous people to further their causes.
The causes are political or revenge — a quality of the lower consciousness. We need to move away from the lower consciousness (self), which reflects qualities such as selfishness, self-ego, anger, vangeance, hatred, doing to others what one doesn’t want done unto one, lust for power, control and resources, injustice, etc., regardless of our religious or non-religious affiliations.
There are paths, such as the various forms of Sufi Islam, which are geared towards grooming the self so that it reflects the higher within us.
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The FBI, DHS and NSA are engaged in a hard-core, extra-judicial “disruption” campaign which targets innocent Americans as “potential domestic terrorists,” and robs them of their constitutional rights in the process.
Tens of thousands of Americans have been illegally targeted and terrorized by the NSA, FBI, DHS and private security contractors (think of a domestically-run “Blackwater”).
They engage in cyber-harassment, warrantless entries into homes and vehicles, destruction of careers and families through defamation of character and false accusations, overt and covert harassment.
They are utilizing tactics developed by the East German Stasi referred to as “Zersetzung.” This is a multi-billion dollar operation run out of the DoJ, with the help of the DHS. Retired FBI, DEA, and DHS employees open up private security companies and rake in huge money to help “monitor” (harass and destroy) innocent Americans who have been watch-listed without any due process.
It is a sadistic program which is being illegally run in the shadows. For the full story, check out the following DISQUS channel:
https://disqus.com/home/channel/illegalgovernmentsurveillancefbidhsnsa/
While there are many reasons (good and bad) that push law enforcement to utilize such invasive and emotionally damaging tactics, the reality is that they (the tactics) will not go away. They (law enforcement) are approaching the situation from the very real threat that it just takes one miss to result in massive loss of life. This is factual and cannot be disputed. So right or wrong, this tactic will never cease, I am sorry to say.
Therefore, any persons (young or old) within any demographic that is under extreme suspicion should adopt an attitude of openness when it comes to involvement in organized groups. An informant or spy is only able to exist as such in an environment that is closed, stressed and equally suspicious. Opening up the environment and inviting representatives in neutralizes the informant or spy and assimilates that person publicly into the process.
If you are a person (young or old) that is among a demographic that is being pressured, and you wish to be a part of an organization or start an organization or simply lead a life that can be considered a hot button for others, the very first thing you should do is invite law enforcement and officials in. Ask for a representative to be present at all meetings. Ask for that representative to be permitted to contribute his/her thoughts and ideas on how the dynamics of the causes you are trying to help can play a positive role in the ultimate goal of preventing crimes in their area of concern.
Adopt a strong minute’s policy and make those minutes publicly available. In fact, provide the representative or the head of such divisions as the Demographics Unit with a regular copy of your minutes, whether they want it or not. Limit your discussions on hot button topics to your organized and open meetings. Even in political life such as the judicial and legislative branches, often, certain topics can only be discussed in public and when all affected parties are present to avoid concern over backdoor dealings and conspiracy.
One of the easiest and most effective ways to defeat paranoia is through open discussion, inviting others in and providing them with all the support they need to complete their task. You may disagree with it and you may not like it. But it works. Over time it builds trust. A certain level of suspicion will never go away as that is human nature. However you can reduce it dramatically to the point whereas you are being viewed as part of the solution and not an “unknown variable”.
In an ideal world there would be no terrorism, no loss of life and thus zero to little paranoia and virtually no spying. But we don’t live in an ideal world. America, which is one of the freest societies in the world in terms of our ability to travel, speak and live life freely, is trying to deal with a threat that was never as real as it is today; a threat that benefits from the very core ideals that make America a great place to live. No one can change that. All we can do is work with it. We can defeat these threats (terrorism and paranoia) by turning America into an even more open and welcoming place to live. Don’t be afraid to pursue your passions. At the same time don’t be afraid to pursue and push for transparency and cooperation. They should have as high a priority as the passion itself. The American framework can handle it. In fact, it will benefit from it.
America is over 90% Christian and less than 1% Muslim. Also, those murders have nothing to do with religion. Your comment has literally no point. It’s a total non-sequitar.
Yet, we’re bombarded with the fear mongering that this 1% of the population has so much influence and power that it is going to change the U.S. constitution, elect members of its group in the Congress and put a president in the White House, and therefore, will impose Shariah.
Should anyone even with half a brain fall for such fear mongering?
Moreover, a murder is a murder is a murder, whether it is for religious reasons or for some other reason. Killing an innocent person is akin to killing the entire humanity.
By your own account (that America is over 90% Christians), you’re admitting that overwhelming majority of killings that take place in the U.S. are being carried out by Christians.
Is murdering a Christian thing to do?
Of course not, though many Christian leaders who boast about their religiosity and do not approve of abortion are perfectly fine with killing innocent Muslims.
Is murdering an Islamic thing to do?
Of course not.
“Top Ten Ways Islamic Law forbids Terrorism”, by Juan Cole, at http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html
According to the Gallup poll, 77 percent of Americans identify as Christian.
Last I heard, we are about 50% Christian. There are those who were reared as Christians when young, but do nothing to identify with the faith. They don’t go to church or pray or read bibles.
THere are those who use the Christian religion to do bad things, but right now the biggest threat to the world is from those using Islam for that purpose.
The biggest threat to the world is from those who reflect the lower self, and not Christ, who reflected the highest possible consciousness, regardless of their religious or non religious affiliation.
“…reared as Christians…” – segundus
Yeah there is a lot of that going on ‘rearing’….especially the catholic christian ones, there priests rear a lot.
Christians are the motherfuckers of the planet….nail em up I say…nail em up with there fuckin christ.
In a situation like this, what if “Fatima” talked to another friend(s) about her suspicion of “Mel”? If people’s independent observations are similar, they might be able to identify an informant and even determine their objectives (collaboration should be their advantage). Perhaps they could keep the discovery process going, and use the informant to learn about Police State operations (reversing the surveillance).
It would suck to find yourself targeted, but let’s hope people will start to give it right back to the pigs. If you see something, say something, but not to the pigs. Say it to The Intercept, Wikileaks, The ACLU, Anonymous… Also, when you see something, record video and/or audio. Citizens outnumber the pigs. Published photos of informants might make it harder for them to be moved elsewhere to abuse others. Cameras up!
I also have been spied on at university; though I am not Muslim. I was writing a fictional book that tried to highlight how the Patriot Act has the potential for abuse and that was intended to mock overzealous government anti-terrorism investigators and the school reassigned my roommate to a person who claimed to be interested in the 1 in a trillion interests that my fictional character (who was semi-autobiographical – but not totally – I am a writer and not a terrorist, but I gave the character some of my background – like the way that Susan Orlean in Adaptation did write the Orchid thief but was not a kidnapper in real life) in my book had. This meant multiple things:
1) that the school coordinated with the government to have this person reassigned as my roommate to spy on me
2) that the government hacked into my computer and read my unpublished manuscript
3) that this was built into a dosier and was given to my roommate who was functioning as some type of undercover agent / spy.
Prior to starting school, I had sued the government unsuccessfully for privacy violations. I have (now that I am in school) filed continued motions to reopen my case – again unsuccessfully. The Intercept has shown no interest in my case.
I have been left with the general feeling in my got that anyone at school could potentially be spying on me, which is kind of the feeling that you expressed in this well-written article – and I too have done nothing wrong to merit this attention from the government.
That’s interesting. What was the 1 in a trillion interest the spy had in common with your character? Besides your suspicions, what kind of evidence do you have that the new room mate was a schill? You should write a story around what really happened instead might be better.
or you might be a paranoid loon?
There is nothing in my politics would not share with the goverment (most times you have to scream at them to be heard). So when you say you can’t talk about “politics” what are you talking about?
I viewed a documentary that addressed a woman who was a new convert to Islam in the US. She was shocked at how much anti-American talk happened in the mosque.
I think the ideas that many adults believe are ‘normal’ because they hear it everyday in mosque gossip drive the kids to look for a ‘better way’, which leads some to extremism.
@ segundus
Nah your full of shit…your talkin out your ass second-born. its your inferiority complex.
admit you just hate muslim ya cunt
Man I bet if there are still former STASI or SAVAK members still alive they are so so so very jealous of their counterparts in the US.
Thing is, just like STASI and SAVAK (US FBI and other domestic counter-terrorism agencies), after living in that type of society long enough, the citizens develop ways to avoid that sort of surveillance as a defense mechanism. The “agent provocateurs”, “spies” and “informants” will be easily recognizable. Which creates an odd paradox akin “to the tighter you squeeze the more the sand slips through your grasp.” And that’s when bad things will start happening.
So far the FBI has only set up borderline or actually mentally disturbed people who had neither the intent, organizational skills, intellect or resources to even make a viable plan to commit a ‘terrorist’ act. And they are too stupid and looking in the wrong place to ever see an actual “terrorist” with the resources, skills, intellect, intent and ability to execute a mass crime.
Look if those simpleton boneheads the Tsarnaev boys can kill and maim as many as they did in Boston with an IED and no training, and the US intelligence community couldn’t detect or stop something like that, then one of 4 things is true: 1) US intelligence community is inept and incapable of keeping anyone safe from any threat, 2) US intelligence community is focusing its resources on the wrong targets, 3) US intelligence community is in on it, 4) they will never catch a real “terrorist” with formal state-level quality military/intelligence special operations training.
It’s very plausible that the agenda behind aggressive surveillance and intimidation is to produce a violent response, which can in turn be used to justify even more aggressive surveillance and intimidation, until you end up with a totalitarian police state. It’s not a step too far for those with such an agenda to take matters into their own hands, and create ‘false flag attacks’ to justify their agenda.
That’s the basic theme in Joseph Conrad’s “Secret Agent”, (1907), anyway, and has played a role in the establishment of totalitarian regimes throughout the 20th century, including Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, a whole host of Third World dictatorships, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Agent
“However, the political form of anarchism is ultimately controlled in the novel: the only supposed politically motivated act is orchestrated by a secret government agency.”
Of course, only a smallish subset of apparent terrorist activities fall into this category; the grand mal conspiracy theorist, in contrast, assumes that all events are controlled by a secret all-knowing all-seeing power (God? The Devil? The Bilderberg Group? UFOs?) and hence runs on about the CIA blowing up the Twin Towers on 9/11, etc. On the other hand, the curious anthrax letter mailings of 9/18 and 10/9 and the flubbed investigation of them could easily fall into that smallish subset.
“..after living in that type of society long enough, the citizens develop ways to avoid that sort of surveillance as a defense mechanism. The “agent provocateurs”, “spies” and “informants” will be easily recognizable.”
One would hope, but the fact is that many targets of the Stasi had no idea that their best friend or even their spouse (!) was informing on them
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjzT2l5C34).
It would be lovely if people would band together to war against the machine, but my experience has been that average citizens can’t wait to jump on the gravy train, giddy with self-importance and eager to assist the War On Terror.
We live in a world full of sock puppets.
In many (so disappointing for those of us who “grew up” reciting The Pledge of Allegiance, an out-and-out brainwash if ya ever saw one) lights “The Land Of The Free and The Home Of The Brave” is now, actually, a safe and flourishing (if ya work for DHS and any number of the Intel agencies, or boss ’em around or just support even 1 of 2 all-but-identical political parties) haven for Nazism in reverse, the continuing home of The Inquisition, The Crusades, Feudalism, and broadly sanctioned discrimination, not to mention a systemically, systematically installed well-cultivated and instilled Ignorance, capitol (capital) I. Fear rules the day – and the cops that so-called rule the populus…
Just because our government does horrid things does not mean that the organization that their enemies would replace it with would be better – in fact Sharia would be much, much, worse.
In Europe they speak of ‘creeping Islam’, in which ‘they’ use a country’s own freedoms against them. We don’t want to do that.
Shariah to us Sufi Muslims is simply the outer forms of our path, which provides a protective shell for the self to grow so that it reflects the higher qualities, such as justice, selflessness, generosity, not seeing otherness, forgiveness, love, peace, not doing to others what one doesn’t want done unto one, lack of desire and attachment, sharing, serving others with no expectations, lack of desire for power, control and resources, etc.
So Shariah to us is like the shell of an egg that provides a protective and conducive environment for the embryo to develop.
We are not interested in converting anyone or imposing anything on anyone, and we condemn anyone who tries to impose Shariah, or Islam in general, on anyone and resorts to violence.
If you read the affidavit/complaint, the investigation seems rather justified. But can it be taken at face value? Is the informant being honest? Do audio recordings (easily obtained with modern technology) match the claimed statements of the defendants?
Such agent provocateur tactics date all the way back to Hoover’s FBI reign, but – to take the other side of the argument, and play devil’s advocate: there is always a line here – most liberals would not be too upset about FBI infiltration of the Ku Klux Klan in order to stop lynchings. As another example, what if it turned out there was an FBI agent provocateur inside the recent militant Bundy occupation of a federal wildlife reserve? What if that FBI agent played the key role in encouraging the Bundyites to occupy the refuge, thus setting them up for 10-year prison terms? The justification would be that these people were dangerous violent radicals who would do something like this eventually, so better get them into a controlled situation, arrest them and imprison them.
Similar tactics were used to target environmental activists by the FBI, dating back to at least the early 1990s. For example, in 2007 there was the Eric McDavid case, recently overturned after it was revealed the FBI and Justice withheld large amounts of information from the defense, specifically this bit:
“. . . his supporters say McDavid was never guilty of anything more serious than falling for a comely 18-year-old woman he met at an Iowa meeting in 2004, a woman who later prodded him to take violent action against government targets with promises that they would later consummate a romantic relationship.”
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article5641188.html
The informant in that case, one “Anna” was paid $65,000 for the whole deal. You can think of dozens of crimes that could be rigged this way – go find some poor inexperienced kid from a poverty-stricken rural or urban environment, ‘groom’ them, convince them to rob a bank with you, send them to jail for decades, collect your big reward. The question then is, who gets targeted by the FBI or local police departments in this manner, and why? Are such methods ever justified?
For example, I’m in favor of environmental causes such as wildlife habitat preservation and the replacement of fossil fuels with clean energy, but if someone approached me with a plan to blow up an oil refinery, say, well, first I’d assume they were an undercover FBI agent trying to whip up an ‘eco-terrorism’ case.
Anyone with half a brain knows that violent actions merely discredit a cause, and that nonviolent protest and legal actions are the only effective route to meaningful change. Anyone espousing violence as a means to their end, in such a situation, then, must be viewed as either a mentally deranged nutcase or a government-corporate agent provocateur.
However, what really pisses me off about such cases is who the FBI refuses to target. It’s clear Saudi Arabia and Turkey have a history of funding ISIS via oil sales and cash transfers since the Arab Spring broke out – as a proxy force targeting Assad in Syria, and likely targeting any secular pro-democracy movements in the Middle East as well – likely with the cooperation of the U.S. State Department, CIA and Pentagon as well. Another stupid replay of the 1980s Afghanistan situation, which eventually led to the rise of Al Qaeda and eventually, the 9/11 terror attacks. However, the Saudi Royals and their circle are off-limits, since they buy billions in arms from U.S. weapons manufacturers and bank their money on Wall Street – the berth of FBI executives in their ‘retirement’ careers.
Speaking of Wall Street, they’re off-limits too. It would have been ridiculously easy to run such investigations targeting mid-level bank managers involved in criminal manipulations in the 2008 economic collapse at places like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan – a pack of cokehead bankers facing long prison terms on cocaine dealing charges? They’d rat out their bosses in a second – but no, it was just too hard. HSBC laundering $2 billion in Sinaloa drug cartel money? They get a deferred prosecution agreement and a fine from Loretta Lynch? Hilarious. Where’s the insider FBI-NYPD undercover agent there?
No, instead you see every FBI executive rushing off to work on Wall Street after ‘retirement’ – Louis Freeh to MBNA, the credit card fraud giant, Richard S. Mueller III to the WilmerHale law firm, which in turn looks forward to millions of dollars in government-related payouts (that firm is representing the Baltimore police in their civil rights defense, etc.) – one rampant cesspool of post-employment kickbacks, rampant corruption – I won’t even get started on how Mueller’s FBI flubbed the 9/18 – 10/9 anthrax mailings investigations, repeatedly. Incompetence or collusion, who can say?
So, while I wish the FBI would investigate the roots of Islamic terrorism, the fact is, their executive leadership is more likely to defend the real sponsors of international terrorism and their allies in the weapons manufacturing business, then they are to prosecute. Instead, they go after some nobodies like these, so they can claim they’re doing something – it’s just like investigating Martha Stewart for $50,000 in insider trading on the front pages, while giving Goldman Sachs a pass for billions in insider trading. Utterly farcical.
The problem with Wall Street is that they own our politicians. Hillary is their main support now. The budget deliberately underfunds the SEC to ensure that they don’t have enough manpower to persue whom they should.
The NYPD has their own CIA (clandestine intelligence service ) like most big American cities.
If you want to know what they are up to, go and interview them. My guess is they will try to hire you.
I feel bad for these girls but Islamic terror exists. Student groups are hotbeds of radicalization. Most terrorists are between the ages of 18-35 so infiltrating a group of college kids makes complete sense. How would you like the government to approach this problem? Isn’t this preferable to launching wars overseas? The FBI and NYPD have a long history of going undercover to fight crime. They did it to combat organized crime and they should do it in this case as well. Nobody was arrested so I fail to see the problem. I understand people feel violated but this is the world we live in today. Our government must protect us from terror if they are able to do so. We’ve had very few attacks since 9/11, which I partly attribute to our couter-terrorism policy. This seems like a very sensible, practical approach to a real problem.
No, it doesn’t.
The term “Islamic terror” is an oxymoron. There’s nothing Islamic about harming the non-combatants.
… extremism and radicalism can’t be “Islamic.” The adjective “Islamic” in Arabic is used to refer to the ideals of the Muslim religion, which forbids murder and forbids terrorism. The adjective that Mr. Cruz is looking for is “Muslim.” He wants to fight Muslim radicalism or Muslim extremism. Not Islamic. The same distinction is made between Judaic and Jewish. Judaic has to do with Jewish ideals and civilization. You could have a Jewish terrorist. You couldn’t have a Judaic terrorist.
From Juan Cole, at http://www.juancole.com/2015/12/cant-carpet-bombing.html
And mostly because American Muslims are largely peaceful law abiding people.
Also see this:
“Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil”
“Terrorism Is a Real Threat … But the Threat to the U.S. from Muslim Terrorists Has Been Exaggerated”, at http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html
This was written in 2013, but it’s still true.
THank you. I’ll try to remember this. It’s an important distinction.
No, it doesn’t.
The term “Islamic terror” is an oxymoron. There’s nothing Islamic about harming the non-combatants.
… extremism and radicalism can’t be “Islamic.” The adjective “Islamic” in Arabic is used to refer to the ideals of the Muslim religion, which forbids murder and forbids terrorism. The adjective that Mr. Cruz is looking for is “Muslim.” He wants to fight Muslim radicalism or Muslim extremism. Not Islamic. The same distinction is made between Judaic and Jewish. Judaic has to do with Jewish ideals and civilization. You could have a Jewish terrorist. You couldn’t have a Judaic terrorist.
From Juan Cole, at http://www.juancole.com/2015/12/cant-carpet-bombing.html
And mostly because American Muslims are largely peaceful law abiding people.
Hey man,
It looks like we’ve carried our conversation to another article’s comment board. I agree. The vast majority are peaceful. But that is beside the point. Some are not peaceful. And let’s dispense with time-wasting, pedantic distinctions. You and I both know what I mean by Islamic terror. Jihad exists and it’s a problem.
What exists is harming the non-combatants, which is evil.
It’s not Jihad.
Jihad is something else.
There is an epidemic of people who identify as Muslim killing non-combatants for religious reasons. Whatever that is, it’s a problem.
They are committing their acts primarily for political reasons. Religion is misused to deceive themselves, to make their evil acts seem noble to them, but the underlying causes and objectives are political. That’s why they’re called terrorists, as the definition of terrorism is violence for political objectives.
Yes, that’s a problem, but their acts are not Islamic, that is they’re not according to the teachings of Islam, where Islam is a path that is based on the Quran.
That’s one definition of terrorism, others will include religion- and when it comes to religious terrorism, both are finely woven together. To claim they are completely separate is misleading. Saying religion is merely a cover is a bold statement, and to provide evidence in the form of interpretation of a sacred text is not very helpful.
I would agree that many times religion deceives and it makes evil acts seem noble to the violent actors. But ask yourself this- what gives you the authority to say “they’re not according to the teachings of Islam”?
Why are some interpretations wrong while others are right? Because they cherry pick different sections that say harsher words than those you follow?
Even more importantly- do you really deny that politics and religion are hand in hand? Muhammad’s life was ripe with political and military success, and it is often what sets him apart from other well known religious figures. Is that worth nothing? Was he using religion as an excuse as well?
My personal definition of terrorism is harming the non-combatants.
But what is the definition of terrorism as adhered to by the Western governments and the U.N.?
I think it’s an observable fact that the non-state characters that are harming the non-combatants are doing it to achieve political objectives. They’re using religion to justify their acts.
That their acts are not according to the teachings of Islam is supported by Islam’s primary source, the Quran, and the 1400+ years of traditional scholarship.
Look up Juan Cole’s article on ways Islamic law prohibits terrorism and the 600 page fatwa against terrorism by Dr. Tahir Qadri.
For better or worse fatwa’s are not required readings in Islam, and there are probably many fatwas you don’t follow for good reason.
We both agree politics should be taken in good spirit with compassion and good moral stature. But in real life that is often not the case. Religion is a reason for bad politics and violence just as much if not moreso than good decisions and diplomacy. Do I wish it were otherwise, yes.
My point is that although you may follow Islam, it is not the only thing that governs you. You also have common sense and compassion gained from experiences with fellow human beings. Other people do not have the same perspective as you do, yet they still follow an organized religion, and they choose to look at the violence and harsher elements without the same moral compass you and me may have.
In that 600+ page fatwa, the author attempts to reject terrorism as Islamic based on Islam’s sources, especially prophetic traditions.
I have yet to see a rebuttal of it that refutes his analysis, an analysis that is at least based on Islam’s primary source, the Quran, which sets Islam’s framework.
I also pointed to a brief article by a non-Muslim, Juan Cole, who also points out that terrorism is not Islamic.
My point was that I’m not alone who thinks that terrorism is not Islamic.
Religion is essentially a human interpretation of the Sacred.
Interpret and practice it through the lower self, and it’ll yield devastating results.
Interpret and practice it through the higher self, and it’ll produce good and positive results.
So it’s the self that is at the center of it all.
That said, many of the problematic interpretations of Islam can be easily corrected by interpreting the Quran through proper textual and historical context and then examining other sources in light of the Quran, not the other way around.
I agree with you on what you’ve stated.
Of course you are not alone in thinking terrorism is not Islamic. I don’t think terrorism is Islamic. But one type of terrorism is religious terrorism, and furthermore, there exists Islamic terrorism.
Interpretation is the problem here, I’m glad we can agree on that.
Disregarding any aversions to religion that I may have, I also agree completely that the most can be gotten from a religious text when one considers context.
In response to the Cole article, which admittedly, I skimmed over: Islamic terrorism exists, whatever you want to call it; I don’t disagree that there is overreaction and hatred amongst many people in the US.
However, there needs to be a real discussion of Islam and violence today, rather than the very polarizing “Ban all muslims because they are terrorists” or “how dare you associate Islam with ISIS, there is no relationship” viewpoints that plaster the media on a daily basis.
Thanks for a respectful argument.
“Interpretation is the problem here, I’m glad we can agree on that.”
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Most definitely.
Which is why all religions are in reality man-made; they’re merely interpretations of something they consider to be sacred.
P.S. I’ll get to the rest of your post later. I have to take a break now. Also, due to limitation on my iPad, I have to post short comments.
“Of course you are not alone in thinking terrorism is not Islamic. I don’t think terrorism is Islamic.”
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Indeed.
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“But one type of terrorism is religious terrorism, …”
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I’m aware of some sectarian violence for which it was obvious that religious differences were the primary motive.
So, yes, there has been religious terrorism.
That said, I believe FBI’s definition of terrorism seems to indicate that it’s political.
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“…and furthermore, there exists Islamic terrorism.”
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To a Muslim, the word “Islamic” means “according to the teachings of Islam”, and, personally, I can’t find any justification for harming the non-combatants in the sources of Islam and in the actions and teachings of any Sufi scholar or teacher.
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“Interpretation is the problem here, I’m glad we can agree on that.”
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Yes.
That said, we know how and where the misinterpretations occur.
One of the main reasons for misinterpretation is the examination of the sources out of textual and historical context.
But the condition of one’s self also plays an important role.
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“Disregarding any aversions to religion that I may have, I also agree completely that the most can be gotten from a religious text when one considers context.”
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Yes.
In case of Islam, many Muslims fail to see that some portions of the Quran and Prophetic practices were based on the Arabic Semitic culture of the day, and therefore, they will not yield positive results if they’re interpreted and applied literally.
The same goes for the judicial rulings of the past.
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“In response to the Cole article, which admittedly, I skimmed over: Islamic terrorism exists, whatever you want to call it; I don’t disagree that there is overreaction and hatred amongst many people in the US.”
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We Muslims prefer to call it “Muslim Terrorism” or “Terrorism Committed by Some Muslims” instead of “Islamic Terrorism”.
I’ve explained the meaning of the word “Islamic” to us above.
I think this usage of Islamic may be due to fact that those who grow up in a Christian environment use the word “Christian” for both “Teachings of Christianity” and the person who adheres to them, whereas amongst Muslims, the teachings of Islam are referred to as “Islamic” while the person who adheres to them is called a “Muslim” and not Islamic.
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However, there needs to be a real discussion of Islam and violence today, rather than the very polarizing “Ban all muslims because they are terrorists” or “how dare you associate Islam with ISIS, there is no relationship” viewpoints that plaster the media on a daily basis.
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I think real discussions (not sound bites) in a respectful, educated, scholarly in a sober and balanced way are needed.
I once saw a good discussion between Bill Moyers and Seyyed Hossein Nasr, and I said why can’t CNN, Fox, other networks and Bill Maher have that?
How come bonafide scholars, especially Sufi Muslims, do not appear on talk shows?
Millions of Muslims adhere to the various forms of Sufi Islam, yet I never see it represented on MSM.
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“Thanks for a respectful argument.”
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Thanks to you as well.
P.S. I typed it all in the Notes app on my iPad and copied and pasted it here. That’s why I didn’t have to split my response in multiple posts. My browser freezes when I type a long post.
Fatwa on terrorism: http://www.minhajbooks.com/images-books/Edict-Terrorism-Fitna-Khawarij/Edict-Terrorism-Fitna-Khawarij_1.pdf
To ten ways Islamic law prohibits terrorism, by Juan Cole, at http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html
“Why are some interpretations wrong while others are right? Because they cherry pick different sections that say harsher words than those you follow?”
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No, because the correct interpretation of Islam fits the Quranic framework and is properly contextualized and is madd through the higher self.
“do you really deny that politics and religion are hand in hand?”
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Human action, when carried out through the higher self, will yield positive results. Politics must be encompassed within high spiritual and ethical values, such as selflessness, love, peace, generosity, not doing unto others what one doesn’t want done unto oneself, serving others with no expectations, lack of lust for power, control and resources, justice, forgiveness, and other Christ like qualities, where Christ represent the highest possible consciousness.
No. Politics and religion do not go hand in hand. Religion gives us things to aspire to but politics involves the practical day to day matters of commerce and law. Some premises of religion can be wrong because there are many religions and they are not all right, neither are they all wrong. A healthy curiosity will have us testing various religious dictates for veracity and practicality. As we grow, so do our religious ideas. It is a philosophy of life. It has to do with spiritual growth, and politics has to do with our physical relationships.
It is a bad thing to mix the two.
So, are you suggesting that it’s not possible for politics to be encompassed within high spiritual and ethical values, such as selflessness, love, peace, generosity, not doing unto others what one doesn’t want done unto oneself, serving others with no expectations, lack of lust for power, control and resources, justice, forgiveness, and other Christ like qualities, where Christ represent the highest possible consciousness?
Not a problem, a delusion. Someone should come up with a list of things that are more likely to happen in the U.S. than dying in a terrorist attack. Probably up there with winning the lottery or getting stuck by lightning.
Also see this:
“Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil”
“Terrorism Is a Real Threat … But the Threat to the U.S. from Muslim Terrorists Has Been Exaggerated”, at http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html
This was written in 2013, but it’s still true.
If more people were like you, the world would be a great place. Unfortunately, that’s not the case. There are many interpretations of Islam and millions endorse a violent interpretation of that faith. You should work towards reform rather than obfuscate the truth.
There are many Muslims who are working very hard to educate themselves and other Muslims that the religion of Islam does not sanction harming the non-combatants, and that the Shariah must be contextualized, that the purpose of life is to groom the self so that it reflects the higher qualities, which I have listed often.
Most of the victims of Muslim violence are Muslims, and there’s a widespread fear and rejection of violence.
I doubt the violent interpretation is adhered to, and endorsed, by millions of Muslims, especially since they are the biggest victims of it. It doesn’t seem logical to me.
enough with the bullshit. In the year 2015 there were 2853 known Islamic terror attacks in 53 countries, in which over 27,000 people were killed. The fact that Muslims are the victims of Muslim violence is irrelevant. All intolerant totalitarian ideologies eat their own. Most victims of Communist violence were fellow comrades. Here’s the the link. By the way, the numbers I provided you with are conservative estimates. It is impossible to record every act of Islamic terror
http://thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2015
“The fact that Muslims are the victims of Muslim violence is irrelevant. All intolerant totalitarian ideologies eat their own.”
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So, in other words, the Muslim victims, like Malala, adhere to the same ideology as their attackers.
Wow!
You’re now being quite unreasonable.
You’re also making the mistake of not recognizing another simple fact: Islam is not monolithic.
The problem with Islam is that it leads some Muslims to believe that Malala’s desire for education makes her an infidel. I agree that it is not a monolith, but there is a connective tissue that binds all the interpretations together. It is that connective tissue which leads to all the bloodshed.
And, yes, I get some information from that site. It happens to provide the most detailed, comprehensive accounting of Islamic terror on the internet. Unfortunately for you, it strives to document every act of Islamic terror in the world. If violence happens in the name of Islam, that website will cover it. Every victim deserves at least that. You can no longer bank on something happening without anyone knowing about it. Nobody else does what they do. They’re the only ones who care if 3 people are murdered by another Islamist in Cameroon.
Furthermore, it goes to great lengths to denounce any form of bigotry directed towards Muslims as people. The website merely seeks to highlight the cold hard reality that Islam is different. It is unlike any religion on the planet. The
“The problem with Islam is that it leads some Muslims to believe that Malala’s desire for education makes her an infidel.”
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How do you know that it is Islam — and by Islam I mean the islam of the people you’ve referred to, for as you admit in your next sentence, Islam is not monolithic — is the reason?
I’m not aware of anyone, perhaps with the exception of the Taliban, who considers Malala to be a disbeliever.
I’m aware that many Muslims do not like her, but they still consider her a Muslim. Their disliking is due to these two primary reasons:
1. Their perception that she’s being exploited by her father and the West.
2. They feel that there are many other girls who express the same views on women’s education, and some of them have been the victims of the Taliban. So, they wonder why she gets all the publicity while others don’t.
These are the views of many Muslims. I’m just the messenger.
Jonah, while you live your life through the internet, other Americans are shooting each other to death. The vast majority of these killers are ‘Christian’ not Muslim
But they do not do it in the name of Christianity and most killers are only Christian by name only, not practicing the religion. AND, speakers for the religion do not ‘take credit’ for the killings. They are thought of as being terribly troubled and criminals by churchgoers. Christian churches have no problem with police attending services and meetings – they have nothing to hide. Churches dissuade people from discussing politics or hatred for the country in their groups.
There are BIG differences.
A murder is a murder is a murder.
Taking a human life unjustly is akin to killing the entire humanity because we are all part of the same ultimate consciousness (Reality).
We human beings need to be like the better son of Adam.
By the way, I hope you’re not learning about Islam from that website, are you?
If you are, then yikes! You’re being misled.
Learning about Islam from that website would be like learning about America from Khomeni.
Nope. You can’t refute anything on that site. I can refute everything Khomeni has ever said
I’ve seen that website misrepresent Islam and misinterpret facts.
I don’t find it an authentic and fair website.
But if you’re developing an understanding of Islam from that website, then good for you.
I’m sure others have refuted that site, I don’t have the time or energy to set up a website or write a book to refute it.
If you’re happy with it and find it authentic, honest and balanced then I respect your stance.
The bedrock of terrorism is discrimination, exclusion and social injustice – the whole idea of “counter terrorism” is a (expenisve) joke.
What bullshit. That’s why 2 highly educated people entered a hospital for people with disabilities and killed 14 people. It’s their fault, not ours.
“What bullshit. That’s why 2 highly educated people entered a hospital for people with disabilities and killed 14 people. It’s their fault, not ours.”
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Absolutely!
It was entirely their fault. No question about it.
Having an informant go to college for four years sounds truly remarkable! What I want to know is:
* Did the informant have a college degree before “converting” and “enrolling”?
* Did the informant attend a full schedule of classes to fit in?
* Did the informant have a college degree at the end of the four-year mission?
* Did the informant get to go to the college administration, fix up the little matter of the fake name, and go on using this college degree in daily life?
* Did the informant get paid with public money to do all this?
* Was the informant related to somebody with a high position in the police department?
I smell a rat here, but it’s not an NSA rat. The NSA knows better ways to hear people talk. This smells like a crooked NYPD rat doing creative financing for his kid’s tuition.
Oh, and how is it that we don’t know the name of the informant, or see photos here of anything but “young women in a subway station”?
The undercover officer was not a student; she just joined student groups (many student groups at many colleges are technically open to community members and students from other colleges).
So now Homeland Security is planning a “see something say something” program for the internet:
http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2016/02/homeland-security-wants-see-something-say-something-campaign-internet/126008/
I wonder if that will include people being in favor of the BDS movement??
I think someone should put an informant in the NYPD.
@ S –
Great idea – I love it :-)
I feel bad for the next targeted group that becomes a designates cash-cow for war-crimes and selling weapons to human-rights violators and corrupt/inhumane governments (which will probably just lead to another future war, again OUR OWN WEAPONS, even though plenty of evidence has already been shows that terrorist organizations already use many American weapons).
The U.S. isn’t taking care of our “safety” more than Russia is for it’s own people. Russia also attacks it’s own activists and those who speak out against it’s blatant crimes.
As long as America profits off of crime while avoiding any persecution for it’s own acts (domestically and internationally), there’s no safety. As long as America tortures and kills indiscriminately, there’s no safety. As long as America uses criminal informants for a secret, duel-justice system, there’s no safety. As long as America sells weapons to criminals, there’s no safety. As long as
With no accountability. There’s no safety. There’s no justice.
If this is what safety is, then I don’t know why we criminalize the mafia.
Yes, we are horrible, but what we are fighting is a group that would convert us all to one religion and have us living under Sharia law. They have said as much. Don’t you read the news?
You cannot manipulate in this world, or in business, and keep your hands squeaky clean. Still, I would rather live under Western law than the archaic laws of a religion – any religion.
Did you ever hear the saying ‘We become what we hate’? There is some truth to that. To fight an enemy you must think like him.
That group of highway robbers has no capability to “convert all [the non-Muslims] to one religion and have [them] live under Sharia law.”
There’s absolutely no chance of that ever happening.
you wanted the state to take care of your safety. This is the state taking care of your safety. Why act surprised? Or maybe you are one of those few people in NY who resisted the NYSAFE act? Or voted against Michael Bloomberg?
Or are you just confused about what you want? Are you waiting for a benevolent leader who will keep you safe and free at the same time? Do you also believe in unicorns?
Please don’t have a daughter…………….
The US needs intensify surveillance on all Americans, so that no one group feels singled out.
I would suggest that at the end of each day, everyone be sent a citizenship score based on the surveillance of their past 24 hours of activity. This would promote a sense of belonging and also motivate people to improve their scores, so they could retain their jobs and citizenship status.
read the leaked NSA documents. They spy on all Americans equally. They just focus more on businesses, economics, other governments, and also terrorism. But there own documents show that the system is NOT effective with terrorism. But it’s great when you only want the best spy system in the world (even if it COMPLETELY violates your nation’s foundational AND additional laws)
Welcome to a war based on power and profit. It has NOTHING to do with your safety.
Perhaps. But people still like feedback to have a positive assurance their government isn’t ignoring them. So the daily citizenship score serves a purpose; it’s all about communication of expectations.
It may not make much difference to your safety, but it makes an enormous difference to the government’s safety. If a government wants to maximize its confiscation of personal wealth, it needs to protect itself against its own citizenry.
Like it. Go to bed easy knowing you’ve scored on the daily citizenship questionnaire, delivered to your computer or smart phone daily. FBI would become redundant overnight.