Israeli and Palestinian journalists and rights activists are apparently not the only ones wondering if video recorded in the immediate aftermath of a knife attack in Israel showed the suspected attacker being executed by the police after he had already been subdued.
A division of Israel’s justice ministry that investigates police officers is reportedly examining the video, recorded by a witness to the mayhem near the seaside in Jaffa yesterday, when Bashar Masalha, a 22-year-old laborer from the West Bank, stabbed a dozen civilians, including an American tourist who died of his injuries and a fellow Palestinian. The 29-second clip shows the suspected attacker lying on the ground as two officers train their guns on him, and an unseen bystander urges one of them to shoot Masalha in the head.
According to Yaniv Kubovich of Haaretz, the Tel Aviv daily, one officer could be heard saying, “I neutralized him,” suggesting that the suspect was indeed no longer a threat. Moments later, however, a shot was fired, apparently by the second officer, an older police volunteer. The first officer can then be heard reproaching the volunteer, saying, “Yossi, enough — he is lying there neutralized, why are you shooting for no reason?”
Masalha, who could be seen slightly turning his head at the start of the clip, stopped moving after the shot was fired.
The incident follows the killing of more than a hundred other Palestinians suspected of attacking Israelis in the past six months, many of them armed only with knives, leading rights advocates to ask if Israel has given tacit approval to extrajudicial killings.
Last month, for example, a 20-year-old Palestinian who stabbed paramilitary border police officers at an entrance to the Old City of Jerusalem was shot repeatedly after he had already fallen to the ground. The incident took place in front of a television crew from Al Jazeera, which recorded video of round after round being fired into the prone man’s body.
As the Electronic Intifada’s managing editor Maureen Clare Murphy reports, another extremely graphic video clip recorded yesterday in Petach Tikva, near Tel Aviv, showed Abd al-Rahman Radad, a 17-year-old Palestinian suspected of wounding an Israeli in a knife attack, bleeding to death after being overpowered by his victim and stabbed. “Die, you fucker, die, you son of a whore,” a man can be heard saying in Hebrew, before adding, “Don’t call an ambulance, let him die.”
The justice ministry’s Police Internal Investigations Department told the Israeli news site Ynet that no decision had been made yet about whether to open a formal investigation into the Jaffa shooting. According to a description of the department’s remit on the ministry’s website, it is empowered “to examine suspicions of the commission of criminal offenses (only) where police personnel are suspected of committing them and where the penalty is in excess of one year’s imprisonment.”
Israel’s Channel 2 News reported on Thursday that the police volunteer who fired the shot had defended his conduct during questioning by internal affairs investigators, claiming that since the suspect was still moving and had a knife in his hand while lying on the ground, he still presented a threat.
Israel Hayom, the newspaper financed by the American casino magnate Sheldon Adelson to relentlessly hype Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s policies, added a dose of sarcasm to its report on the possible inquiry. The video, the newspaper reported, “upset several left-wing activists, including Peace Now Director General Yariv Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer posted on Twitter: ‘In Petach Tikva and in Jaffa, videos show how the neutralization [of a terrorist] can turn into execution without trial. In the current situation, no media outlet dares to address this issue.’”
Dimi Reider, an Israeli journalist and blogger, noted that a police volunteer was interviewed by Israel’s Channel 10 News just after the incident in Jaffa, near where the shooting took place. Although it is not yet clear if this was the same volunteer who fired the shot, in the interview he did describe for the camera what a great feeling it was to dispatch a terrorist.
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After viewing this interview, Peace Now’s director returned to Twitter to observe that a man who claims to have no greater pleasure than the shooting of a terrorist (after he has been disabled) should be in a police station as a prisoner, not a volunteer.
I didn’t expect a reply Mona
Mona
Roger Cohen published an article March 7, 2016 in the New York Times about left wing anti-Semitism (“An Anti-Semitism of the Left”). You will of course be in denial, and interpret this to be just another attempt to stifle debate. I think a couple of his reasons are valid for calling someone anti-Semitic – and he points out why you really have no basis for determining who to call an anti-Jewish bigot:
“…….LONDON — Last month, a co-chairman of the Oxford University Labour Club, Alex Chalmers, quit in protest at what he described as rampant anti-Semitism among members. A “large proportion” of the club “and the student left in Oxford more generally have some kind of problem with Jews,” he said in a statement…….
……..Chalmers referred to members of the executive committee “throwing around the term ‘Zio’” — an insult used by the Ku Klux Klan; high-level expressions of “solidarity with Hamas” and explicit defense of “their tactics of indiscriminately murdering civilians”; and the dismissal of any concern about anti-Semitism as “just the Zionists crying wolf.”………
………What is striking about the anti-Zionism derangement syndrome that spills over into anti-Semitism is its ahistorical nature. It denies the long Jewish presence in, and bond with, the Holy Land. It disregards the fundamental link between murderous European anti-Semitism and the decision of surviving Jews to embrace Zionism in the conviction that only a Jewish homeland could keep them safe. It dismisses the legal basis for the modern Jewish state in United Nations Resolution 181 of 1947. This was not “colonialism” but the post-Holocaust will of the world: Arab armies went to war against it and lost………
……….Johnson, writing in Fathom Journal, outlined three components to left-wing anti-Semitic anti-Zionism. First, “the abolition of the Jewish homeland; not Palestine alongside Israel, but Palestine instead of Israel.” Second, “a demonizing intellectual discourse” that holds that “Zionism is racism” and pursues the “systematic Nazification of Israel.” Third, a global social movement to “exclude one state — and only one state — from the economic, cultural and educational life of humanity.”………”
Mona
You realize that you are bonkers, right? At the same time, you indict yourself as an anti-Jewish bigot with a circular argument.
“…………Ten years ago, a Jewish friend told me that neoconservatives and the Israel Lobby were the most dangerous thing to arise for Jews in many decades. He noted that once Americans realize the U.S. is sending their sons and daughters into Middle Eastern wars desired by Israel and promoted by neoconservatives and the Israel Lobby at home, there will be rage. There will be fury about the billions we send Israel and the way our foreign policy and politics are warped by the Lobby. And it has come to pass — we are seeing that with the antisemitic Trumpites. They realize it all, and they are furious…….”
This is just another take on Israel is controlling our foreign policy and sending American citizens to fight and die on behalf of Israel. The net result is that antisemitism is on the rise which can be directly attributed to US support for Israel. Jews, by controlling US foreign policy, are responsible for the surge in anti-Jewish bigotry now rearing its ugly head at Trump rallies. You promote the oldest of anti-Jewish tropes and blame Jews for your ignorance. I can read the exact same things at Stormfront.
But it gets worse Mona (for you). I have no doubt that there are racists and anti-Jewish bigots at Trump rallies. No sane person could deny that. And the reasons are obvious to you. The surge in anti-semites at Trump rallies is because Israel controls our foreign policy (“they realize it all”). In other words, they finally (and suddenly) realize that the Jews have been taking us to the cleaners all these years spending our hard earned money and sending our sons and daughters to die for Israel. But that is exactly what you believe Mona i.e., Jews are responsible for the surge in antisemitism. Effectively, you call yourself an anti-Jewish bigot.
There is an old saying: give someone enough rope and he will hang himself. In your case, you supplied the rope.
More violence because the US supports Israel – this time in Ivory Coast (state funded New York Times):
“…….ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast — Gunmen opened fire on picnickers and swimmers enjoying a perfect day at three beach resort hotels near the Ivory Coast’s capital on Sunday, killing 16 people and leaving bodies strewn across the bloodstained sand. It was the third major attack in West Africa since November, and verified fears that the spread of terrorism across the region was far from over…….The attack, on the first sunny Sunday in weeks, took place in Grand-Bassam, a popular palm tree-lined getaway for Ivorians and foreigners. Fourteen civilians and two members of the country’s special forces were killed, as well as six gunmen, according to a spokeswoman for the president…..”
Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claimed responsibility – and they are killing innocent people in Ivory Coast to protest our invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and protest our support for Israel.
Is it just me or does it feel like justice was served for Bashar? I mean come on, he went on a stabbing rampage. Occupation aside, stabbing random people isn’t the way for a better future for either side.
For those who can stomach seeing the antisemitism, racism and fascism on the loose in the United States, just read the comments in Robert Mackey’s more recent column on Donald Trump. It has everything, including Holocaust denial.
Shame, shame on all of you who have cavalierly hurled the accusation of antisemitism and thus sent its shame-potential plummeting. Now the real thing is galloping and it’s not possible to shame them.
“…….Shame, shame on all of you who have cavalierly hurled the accusation of antisemitism and thus sent its shame-potential plummeting. Now the real thing is galloping and it’s not possible to shame them…..”
I am not one to call you dumb normally, but that statement is so politically motivated and absurd at the same time as to reluctantly conclude you must be dumb (at least some of the time). Let me interpret your statement for you:
Those Joos have cried wolf so many times that when antisemitism finally does occur (and it is rare), no one believes it.
You have been a major source of frustration for two years, Mona.
The Israel Lobby has done an appalling thing. It has so abused and misused the “antisemite” accusation, that the term now has no sting at a time when actual antisemitism is breaking out. For decades, they’ve disingenuously lobbed the epithet at anyone who tells the truth about the history of Zionism and the atrocities of the State of Israel.
They do it to Glenn Greenwald. Or Max Blumenthal, John Judis and other Jews who’ve written truthfully about the Lobby and Israel. And I’ve had more than my share — I blow it off, as Glenn and Max do.
Unfortunately, some others blow it off as well. Others who ought not.
As James Risen just noted on Twitter, neocons have been decreeing it to be Munich 1938 forever and a day, so they can marshal support for this or that war. With Trumpism rising — with the naked and racist anger Trump has unleashed and given permission to express itself — as Risen further noted, we may well be Munich 1932
Jewish people are seeing a great deal more actual and vile antisemitism hurled at them all over the Internet. At a rally, a Trump supporter just screamed at a Dutch journalist: “Go to Auschwitz! Go back to Auschwitz!” And, this site has seen numerous Trump supporters spewing hideous crap, including Holocaust denial.
Ten years ago, a Jewish friend told me that neoconservatives and the Israel Lobby were the most dangerous thing to arise for Jews in many decades. He noted that once Americans realize the U.S. is sending their sons and daughters into Middle Eastern wars desired by Israel and promoted by neoconservatives and the Israel Lobby at home, there will be rage. There will be fury about the billions we send Israel and the way our foreign policy and politics are warped by the Lobby. And it has come to pass — we are seeing that with the antisemitic Trumpites. They realize it all, and they are furious.
We’ve seen it here at this site. They’re angry. But, tell one of these — a Holocaust denier — that he’s an antisemite, and he doesn’t care. He points out everyone who criticizes Zionism or Israel gets called that.
And he’s right. The term has lost the power to shame where it ought to. Israel and the Israel Lobby are to blame. In America, we’ve never more needed the word to have power, but it now has so little.
The fault lies with each person who has ever abused the term, and those are legion.
Quite right Mona but it is not only the “Trumpites” that are furious…it’s everyone with enough brains to research the truth instead of listening (abc, nbc,fox pbs, etc.) or reading (ny times, washington post, etc.) our so-called national media. Further more, it is and will continue to create so much anger that when the day of reckoning does come it will, unfortunately, lead to a situation much like the one in 1938….
NOTE TO READERS: MONA IS AN IDIOT WHO THINKS SHE OWNS THE INTERCEPT COMMENT SECTION.
This is why Mona calls me a troll:
Mona: “Moreover, the ANC adopted it’s own atrocities, as you’ve been told before. Necklacing was appalling.”
Me: “gross violations of human rights were perpetrated not by members under the direct command of the ANC or MK, but by civilians who saw themselves as ANC supporters and acted in line with what they perceived to be the ANC’s strategic direction.”
During the 1960s and most of the 1970s, armed actions by MK resulted in few human rights violations. Targets were symbolic or economic and care was taken not to endanger civilians.”
Signed by Tutu, Chairman of the Truth Commission
Mona: You are a troll
Mona: “In the West Bank, Zionist terrorists murder and oppress Arabs with impunity. They burned an Arab baby and his parents to death, and Zionist wedding parties celebrate this atrocity..”
Me: The Israelis responsible for that murder were arrested and charged. Can you give us ONE example of a murder in the West Bank that the Israeli authorities disregarded?
Mona: You are a troll.
Mona: The US is not authorized to send troops to Somalia or to bomb that country.
Me: The US Congress gives the US executive (as requested) funds to provide logistics support, to train and to provide operational support to Somali Forces.
Mona: You are a troll. The bill you linked was not enacted.
Me: No it was not enacted, you can call me an idiot for that. About the two other bills that were enacted.
Mona: You are a troll.
Mona: I am not aware of extra judicial execution from Hamas. And if Hamas does it, the French Resistance did it in WWII.
Me: Amnesty International “highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah….Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks”, to target “collaborators”. However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.”
Since when it makes it right if the French do it? The French colonized countries, tortured Algerians, supported coups and despots around the world. Does it make it right?
Mona: You are a troll
Mona: The US government gives $3 billion in military aids to Israel and $0 to Hamas.
Me: Israel produces its own small arms, artillery, armored vehicles and tanks. These are the main weapons used against the Palestinians in urban warfare. Most of the US aids go the Israeli Air Force and sophisticated missile technology. Moreover, the US does not give aids to Saudi Arabia neither. SA pays for all its weapons. So how come you are always complaining about US relations with SA? Do you want the US to stop all trades with Israel or SA? Because as long as a nation trades, it will find funds to buy weapons.
Mona: you are a troll.
You can call me a troll as long as you want, but I will come here from time to time to demonstrate that you are an irrational anti Semite idiot.
Afek, the Israeli subsidiary of a global oil company, wants to pillage in the Golan Heights, to drill for oil there in violation of international law.
Well, isn’t that special. This monster was Israel’s Housing Minister.
Benjamin Netanyahu recently claimed, with a straight face, that Israelis have never glorified terrorists. Take 2 1/2 minutes to watch a well-produced debunking of that lie. Israel is founded on terror and venerates it — when it’s committed by Zionists.
He shot a terrorist that killed people on the street, NOT a suspect.
You have double standards guys.
Let your political bias rule.
When a terrorist is running a killing people around you, you will hope a hero like him will shoot him.
Civilized Western democracies do not execute neutralized knife-wielders. Israel claims to be a liberal democracy. It’s not.
Civilized western democracies investigate, arrest and punish those responsible for executing human beings:
Israel charged cop for manslaughter:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/israel-charges-cop-manslaughter-palestinian-youths-death-n254326
Israel charged 4 Israelis including an IDF soldier for lynching an Eritrean migrant
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/middleeast/israel-charges-eritrean-migrant-beating/index.html
You stated a few weeks ago Israel disregards murders of Palestinians by Israelis, specially settlers. You have still not provided ONE example of a murder that has been disregarded by Israeli authorities. It is so easy to prove you are an anti Semite idiot.
Note to readers: I do not substantively reply to this person. It is a crapflooding troll who has been banned multiple times and keeps returning.
Nothing it says can be believed. It’s most recent inanity was to claim a bill that died in a congressional committee held the force of law. Several people point out the bill never passed, and it tap danced incoherently trying to justify its claim rather than concede error.
It is a bad faith, crapflooding troll. I no longer substantively respond to it.
NOTE TO READERS: MONA IS AN ANTI SEMITE AND ANTI AMERICAN IDIOT WHO BELIEVE THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THE INTERCEPT AND THOSE WHO FACTUALLY PROVE HER WRONG ARE TROLLS. MOREOVER SHE IS LIAR WHO BELIEVES SHE IS THE MODERATOR HERE. I HAVE NEVER BEEN BANNED IN THE INTERCEPT COMMENT SECTION.
Mona:
“Several people point out the bill never passed, and it tap danced incoherently trying to justify its claim rather than concede error.”
Tobjorn: “This bill was introduced on November 20, 2013, in a previous session of Congress, but was not enacted.”
Me (reply to Tobjorn): “You are correct. This bill was not enacted.” The bills that were enacted were House Bill 3547 and House Bill 2029. Both bills were signed into laws and both bills gave the US executive funds and authorization to provide logistic, training and OPERATIONAL support to Somali Forces.
Bodhi: ” I could find no record of this even coming to a vote.I place this here, not for you, but for others so they won’t be mislead by your version of “truth.”
Me (reply to Bodhi): You are correct. This bill was not enacted.
After repeatedly providing links to those bills that specifically require the US executive to use millions of dollars to train and to support Somali Forces, Mona kept repeating that the US government is not authorized to send troops in Somalia. That is why Mona is an idiot.
This is what the Jewish State with its Most Moral Army™ did today: Israeli airstrikes kill 2 Palestinian children in the besieged Gaza Strip It was because of toy rickets that Hamas didn’t even control or order launched:
Israel slaughtered over 500 Arab children during the summer of 2014, and continues to slaughter them today. Thousands more are maimed, with brain injuries, amputations and other disabling injuries.
See how the anti Semite describes
“toy rickets that Hamas didn’t even control or order launched”
The anti Semite will not tell you that those “toy rockets” can cause and have caused civilians casualties in the past. The anti Semite will not tell you neither how 1) she knows Hamas is not colluding with those launching rockets as Hamas made it clear it wants to destroy Israel and 2) Under International laws and definitely under “human nature” when those responsible of a territory are incapable or unwilling to control belligerents on their soil, third parties who are victims of those belligerents have the right to stop those belligerents.
“…….This is what the Jewish State with its Most Moral Army™ did today: Israeli airstrikes kill 2 Palestinian children in the besieged Gaza Strip It was because of toy rickets that Hamas didn’t even control or order launched…..”
I definitely dispute that Hamas was not in control of the “militants”. Hamas is in complete control of Gaza. They were elected to power and they are the most powerful military in Gaza. They know who fired the rockets and they could arrest them – if they wanted. Therefore, Hamas is responsible for those rockets fired from Gaza. That is why Israel attacked Hamas terrorist training camps.
The two children were just two more sacrificed by Hamas leadership for purposes of international propaganda and to ensure the temperature of Palestinians remains high (during the knife Intifada).
“….. It was because of toy rickets that Hamas didn’t even control or order launched…..”
Your attempt to absolve Hamas of any responsibility is disingenuous at best. Remember, it was Hamas that kidnapped and executed the three teenager Jewish teens which led to Operation Protective Edge. Same excuse, Mona. In both cases Hamas was completely responsible.
Craig, you can’t shock or disgust me any longer. You have said so many obscene things, this is merely another.
Hamas is a resistance movement. It’s corrupt and has engaged in terrorism, but so do virtually all resistance movements. See, e.g., the ANC. Or the IRA.
Palestinians have a right to resist their oppressor who has stolen their land and ethnically cleansed over 200 of their villages and cities, an ongoing crime to this day on the West Bank.
Every dead Palestinian child is the responsibility of the Zionists who committed terrorism to steal the land and then locked the Gazans in their open air prison.
Israel is drowning in the blood of innocent Palestinians, who are blockaded and cannot obtain precision weapons to defend themselves. All they can acquire is build-it-yourself rockets that cannot be directed at military targets, and which have killed a very small number of Israelis. (And Craig, you don’t know jack shit about what or whom Hamas can control in Gaza.)
Israel is a terror state. See my comment above linking to the video by Al Jazeera’s journalist, Mehdi Hassan. No Zionist, including you, has any moral authority to wax self-righteously about terrorism.
“……Craig, you can’t shock or disgust me any longer. You have said so many obscene things, this is merely another……”
You have a laundry list of statements that are ignorant and “obscene”, Mona.
“……Hamas is a resistance movement. It’s corrupt and has engaged in terrorism, but so do virtually all resistance movements. See, e.g., the ANC. Or the IRA……..Palestinians have a right to resist their oppressor……”
Again Mona, condoning the murder of innocents – and I’m disgusting. Seriously Mona, you might need therapy – not because you condone terrorism – but because you cannot recognize your own double standard and hypocrisy.
“……Every dead Palestinian child is the responsibility of the Zionists who committed terrorism to steal the land and then locked the Gazans in their open air prison……”
Villages in 1948 were ethnically cleansed in preparation for the Arab invasion, Mona. That was a military decision. The “open air” prison was created in response to Hamas rocket fire. Last time I checked, the nearly one million Jews expelled from the Middle East (where they had lived thousands of years) were collectively punished for the creation of Israel. In your warped world, that was just (you are not alone there. Greenwald exactly thinks the same way).
“……Israel is drowning in the blood of innocent Palestinians, who are blockaded and cannot obtain precision weapons to defend themselves. All they can acquire is build-it-yourself rockets that cannot be directed at military targets, and which have killed a very small number of Israelis…..”
Since Hamas fully understands the ramifications of firing rockets which are of very little military advantage (but there is a terror value), then they fire those rockets knowing that children will be killed in Gaza in response to those rockets. Sounds exactly like they are only too happy to sacrifice children for the “terror value” created by sending rockets into Israel.
“……. (And Craig, you don’t know jack shit about what or whom Hamas can control in Gaza.)….”
Hamas could challenge militants outside of Hamas control operating in Gaza if they chose to (al-Monitor):
“……Hamas leader Yahya Moussa stressed that his movement provides support for any faction or party that wants to fight Israel. “Hamas embraces the resistance and cannot prevent anyone from resisting the occupation, regardless of their political affiliation. Anyone who wants to fight Israel is welcome,” he told Al-Monitor…….It seems clear that Hamas in Gaza supports anyone who believes in armed resistance and gives them a space to operate even if they were political enemies……”
So Hamas – the government of Gaza – allows anyone to “resist” Israel (also) at the expense of Gazans and their children. As the government of Gaza, Israel rightly holds them responsible.
Thanks.
That would be you — you who embraces torture as a positive good. Israel victimizes and oppresses innocent Arabs: kills them; robs them of their homes, villages and historical buildings, olive groves & etc., and; locks them in the open-air pen called Gaza. The victims launch some impotent rockets , so Israel responds with state-of-the art massive bombardment that kills thousands, a quarter of them kids.
That is to say, Israel is literally over-killing the victims who feebly protest against their oppressor. Slaughtering their children and shelling out a quarter of their homes.
Israel is a terror state.
@Jonah
LOLOLOL
Israel is the self-described “Jewish State.” It is an overtly ethno-religious supremacist state, in which the population of Jews is not permitted to fall below 70%.
Almost any Jew on the world has a “Right of Return” to become a citizen of Israel. But only Jews. Not the Arab refugees who were ethnically cleansed to make space for the Jews and their state.
But you know all that.
it’s very easy to judge someone as the volunteer policeman who in faction try to protect himself and the population. Even if the threat was behind , the emotional feelings take the relay in this case. The ennemis is in your mind and for me it’s self defense.
I’m not particularly upset that the cop killed that human excrement, but it nevertheless appears that the cop also committed murder. Cops generally aren’t allowed to shoot dead downed suspects no matter how horrible the crime they committed was (which is why pieces of s— like James Holmes and the Boston Bomber are still alive. I don’t see a cop killing a terrorist in that video. I see a cop killing a defenseless and severely injured man on the ground.
One less terrorist scumbag roaming the Earth. Nice shot Israel.
Three Americans have been murdered by Islamic palestinian terrorists, not two. The first was an American baby, three-month-old Chaya Zissel Braun
Passions always run high when there is a discussion of Israel/Palestine conflict. Killing of Palestinians by IDF is not a recent phenomenon. IDF has killed UN worker ( Ian Hook) and solidarity workers too ( Tom Hurdall… Rachel Corrie ). And there will be those who will claim the killings were justified or they were mistakes. Rarely the person responsible is held accountable.
I hope, people will forget their differences and remember a young woman whose death anniversary is next week and she died for the cause she believed in…. she was protesting peacefully. Some may not agree with her cause but at least remember her for her idealism and courage of convictions.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/18/usa.israel
Police volunteers come with certain ‘special’ viewpoints, no matter what country they’re in.
Is there any evidence that “Yossi” was one of the officers we saw on the tape? Yes, it is damning evidence if we saw the person standing there with time to be sure the stabber was neutralized. But I’m sure those two weren’t the only cops at a scene like that! If some other cop just caught up to the stabber and fired the shot, he might not have been aware the situation had changed in the previous few seconds.
Less hasbara please.
it must be nice knowing you’re always right.
He isn’t. He is a total fucking idiot.
Robert, have you ever had to subdue a knife-wielding, murderous, psychopathic, suicidal Jihadist before? Are you familiar with the standard operating procedures in those situations?Have you taken the time to speak with Police officers who have been in similar circumstances? Let me help you out. How about you contact the police department who shot dead this loser? They may shed some light on what it’s like to be in that kind of situation:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/05/isis-praises-calif-university-stabber-as-details-on-his-background-emerge.html?intcmp=hpbt1
The perpetrator in Jaffa had just killed a person and wounded ten others. He was racing down the highway, attempting to enter vehicles stuck in a traffic jam. The situation is made more dangerous by the fact that the police had every reason to believe he was strapped with explosives or, at the very least, had suicidal intentions. A maniac with absolutely nothing to lose was feverishly trying to find another person to stab. Once can only imagine the panic and terror experienced by those who had the misfortune of being in this guy’s immediate vicinity.
Reading your coverage of the incident, I get the sense you’re not all that interested in understanding how people behave in high stress situations. Can you provide any insight on the degree of difficulty involved in shooting a moving target? I gather it isn’t as easy they make it seem in the movies. Given the seriousness of the situation, it is easy to see why someone may overcompensate. Why are you presuming that the shooters processed the sequence of events the same way a viewer of that video would? They may have not have heard the shots that preceded their own fired rounds. I imagine the entire situation creates a shocking, out-of-body experience for those involved. In those situations, people are acting on adrenaline and instinct. I bet their memory of the event is quite blinkered.
And, finally, just because the terrorist is on the ground, why do you assume the situation is under control? Things were happening really quickly. It’s possible the volunteer policeman didn’t even realize that the terrorist’s body was already riddled with bullets. Slight movements can indicate the terrorist has the capacity to get back on his feet. How much caution would you like Israeli law enforcement to exercise to ensure a terrorist isn’t killed? How much risk to their lives and safety do you expect them to take on behalf of a suicidal terrorist? They repeatedly told him to stop. It was dark and the policeman was probably running on pure adrenaline . At that point, his actions may be involuntary. By the time he realized the situation was under control, he may have been unable to stop himself from pulling the trigger. These are all details I think you should include your story.
When I saw the headline of your original article, I actually laughed because it was so predictable. Media outlets shouldn’t be predictable. Far too many Intercept articles follow the same script: fuck the Zionists and Muslims are victims. It doesn’t matter what happens. What would a Muslim Terrorist have to do for you to sympathize with an Israeli? When an Israeli is stabbed in the neck and rightfully retaliates, you’d rather show a video of a bleeding terrorist writhing in pain on the ground. It’s unbelievable. How magnanimous do you expect Israelis to be? I guess they should apologize for not calling an ambulance quickly enough.
Also, stop presenting reasonable human responses as uniquely demonic. You’ll happily give Palestinians has much latitude as possible to act out their frustrations, yet you won’t afford Israelis the same privilege after they’ve just survived a near death experience. The fact that they wanted the terrorist to die is not an unusual reaction. Do any other people face this kind of scrutiny? They cant even get a few moments after a terror attack to vent some frustrations without someone videotaping their every word. And, by the way, thanks for pouring more fuel on the fire. That video will circulate on the internet and will incite more terrorists to pick up a knife and stab the first Jew they see. However, you’ve done a tremendous job explaining the full context of those videos so I’m sure it wont be a problem.
But wait! Here we are discussing a formerly knee-wielding individual who was lying on the ground wounded, possibly moving his head a bit. I think he was already subdued.
Also, you write way too much. Not very effective.
That’s a fair point. I was venting. It would probably benefit from some editing
You are acting like a child. The editing should begin at the comma after “Robert”. No one needs to see your hasbara crap-load.
That’s a legitimately funny response to my comment. Well done
Knee ==> knife
How sad you sick people are here. This video should be labeled “taking out the garbage”. He isn’t attacking combatants – he’s attacking unsuspecting, unarmed civilians. You may think this is some kind of kharmic justice on an abstract political level, but in reality, such a madman should be shot like a dog in the street. This is war – not crime and enemy combatants like this can be killed once identified on the battlefield. He made himself into a soldier and turned that place into a battlefield and got what an enemy combatant who launches such an attack richly deserves.
And I’m not a Zionists, fyi. So don’t go there with me. Just get what’s actually happening here. Neither side wants to make peace. They both want to expiate the other. It’s a Hobbesian battle till the death. I understand that and as such, neither is a victim. Both are aggressors and when you attack unsuspecting, unarmed people in such a heinous way, being shot down like a dog in the street is exactly what is deserved.
Grow up, you adult-chlldren, just grow up.
But he was. Oh, you mean being shot is not enough; he has to actually be killed on the street. I think fascists such as you only want to discard the rule of law for those they consider “the others”.
Lol, another child. Killing one’s enemy is what war is all about. That guy understood that, he just had bad tactics. That you don’t understand this reveals your naivete and simplemindedness.
In war, I can sneak up on you in the building that you you and your comrades sleep in at night and kill all of you while you sleep.
That’s the difference between war and and crime. You dolt. And I don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting for a homeland either. I don’t other either of them, in fact I grant them each respect for what they are. Warring factions who believe they are fighting for their lives and families and peoples. I side with neither, and in fact I think the Palestinians throw their lives away needlessly though.
However, when you start hacking up unarmed noncombatants I feel no pity when you are shot to death in the street. Grow up.
If Jews had not stolen Palestinian land, this would not be happening. If Jews had not butchered Palestinians, by the tens of thousands in Gaza alone, this would not be happening.
Israel is Zionism.
What does any of this have to do with Jews?
The IDF is virtually 100% Jewish so it is correct to say Jews are butchering Palestinians. Are all Jews doing such? No. But all the ones doing the killing are Jewish.
Dude, my comments sound bad; they’re designed to provoke. The idea that any criticism of The Jewish state cannot identify the fundamental driving force behind Israel and its actions against Arabs is not helpful.
Israel claims 2000 year old land rights and it’s not the local county courthouse records which might indicate that. Religious scriptures are not proof of ownership. Guess who disagrees with that while using a gun barrel to do their talking?
Palestine was wiped off the map by the Jewish State. That is wrong.
The IDF doesn’t act in defense of Judaism. They are a secular army charged with protecting a secular nation state, including its 1.5 million Arab citizens who do not serve in the IDF. Israel is only unique by virtue of its proximity to failed Muslim-majority states. If Iceland were located between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, it would be doing the same shit. Given the prevalence of Jihad all over the world, the idea that Israel is the cause of Islamic terror is absurd. Islam is the cause of Islamic terror. Israel is just another pathetic excuse.
The whole world is a territorial dispute. Get over it. Move on. Your narrative of pure land theft is remarkably simplistic and naive.
“All the ones doing the killing are Jewish”, wow you are so clever.
The fundamental driving goal of the Jews i Palestine is to take the land “from the river to the sea.” I get it, don’t support it and think they asked for endless war by doing so. But this is the way of the world and nations. To freeze that battle in that land to 1948 and create the moral scorecard then is to announce a naivete and bias that is just silly.
Let them fight it out. It’s their fight, not ours. I care not a whit who wins. I do care that the Palestinians are fighting an idiotic war they have no hope of winning now or in the foreseeable future. All they do is bring more death upon themselves.
And if the Arab Muslims had not conquered all of Palestine and elsewhere, the they would not feel entitled to Palestine. How far back do you want to wind the clock? I do not defend Zionists, they were the aggressors. But in fact, the entire history of Islam is one of empire and violent conquest and subjugation – or did you skip that part of history?
Neither side wants peace. I want nothing to do with either of them. You apparently seek to justify running into a crowd of unarmed noncomabatants and hacking them to death with a knife. Pretty easy to see who’s morally defective i this conversation.
The Palestinians are a discrete people, not some imagined “entire history of Islam.” In 1900 they constituted about 96% of the population of what is now Israel. their cities and villages, homes and mosques, had been there for centuries over many generations. Zionist Jews from Europe began to immigrate into the area and overtake land and businesses and refused to employ Arabs.
Around the late 1930s, Zionist terrorists began to murder Arabs, politically uncooperative Jews, the British, and a UN mediator. Eventually they ethnically cleansed some 200 Arab cities and villages and founded the State of Israel by violence in 1948.
Gazans are refugees or their descendants, living still in the open air prison into which Israel confined them.
Just out of curiosity, how many people commenting in this thread have actually spent any amount of time across the green line?
I know what you mean. When you are “across the green line”, videos get all distorted. Only the actions and observations of adrenaline pumped individuals are true.
I don’t think you know what I mean at all. Everyone has their opinions of what other people should do given the situation, but no one commenting seems to be willing to accept their own feelings are irrelevant without being there, experiencing the tanks and the guns and the mentality that breeds— having to deal with the entire situation firsthand is a far cry from arguing political ethics on the internet, from the comfort of your own safe home.
…none? Color me unsurprised.
The agent had to ‘dispatch’ the patsy so the truth of this convenient attack on an American would not be revealed…
Mr. Mackey
Some people might have thought that the real story was the Palestinian terrorist stabbing people at random killing one (American). But you nailed it. My only question on your story is why you included all the extraneous information. You could have shortened the story considerably by omitting the parts that were not absolutely necessary for the reader to understand the real story.
I would have started the story off with the reason that Palestinians stab Israelis (Jews):
“…….What that might mean for the Palestinian citizens of Israel, or residents of the West Bank who have lived under Israeli military occupation for 49 years, he did not say……”
Why you put that at the end of your first story is unclear. It is the single most important sentence in your story. I then would have then left out the extraneous material and got right to the point:
“……That video, which was recorded in dim light and downloaded from WhatsApp by journalists, is murky at key moments, but it prompted a heated argument online about whether or not it showed the extrajudicial killing of a [victim] who was already wounded and lying on the ground…….”
There is even too much information in this paragraph. Notice how I changed suspect to victim (bracketed). So the entire story should have read (with a new title and some additional changes):
Israeli Police Murder Desperate Palestinian
What that might mean for the Palestinian citizens of Israel, or residents of the West Bank who have lived under Israeli military occupation for 49 years, he did not say.
That video [non essential information omitted] showed the extrajudicial killing of a victim who was already wounded and lying on the ground.
There’s a mistake in the headline. It should read: “Person who Took Video could Face Charges”.
I’m a hunter, and am always surprised about my trained reaction to “targets”. It is automatic to “take the shot”. It is a trained reaction. Once the shooting starts it is automatic to shoot untll there are no bullets.
I’m not a military person, only hunter. BUT once the adrenalin starts it continues for hours, even days. In Israeli bunker mentality, they are nevrer far away from killing.
We’re focusing on the symptoms not the cause. End the occupation.
Sick of religious intolerance!
“In Israeli bunker mentality, they are nevrer far away from killing.”
You forgot the modifier, “self-imposed” to modify the phrase, “bunker mentality”.
Good comment about shooting, happens in live fire exercises as well as war. The US idiot cops involved in many situations like Ferguson and Baltimore seemed to pattern their aggressions after Israel, where fear and power rule their violent aggressions.
This is a very common reaction. People who exhibit it and can’t be trained to overcome it should not be permitted to be police officers, armed service members or hunters — or to handle firearms other than muzzle-loaders under any circumstances.
Please turn in your hunting license and your guns.
No surprise that an israeli cop assassinated a wounded palestinian. 1. I have seen videos of israeli fathers teaching their sons to hate and kill palestinians. 2. Cops in the U.S. are now killing suspects for the fun of it, and telaviv has a nyc cops location there – who instructs who to do what i have no idea but the sovereignty of the u.s. no longer exists 3. Actually could have been a mossad operation and the cop guy needed to make sure that the wounded operative could not reveal the deal.
Call me whatever, i have witnessed too many dirty underworld evil shit with my own eyes and ears and the ugliness of power eminates from hell.
So a Palestinian terrorist runs around stabbing random people, hoping to kill as many Jews as possible, and your first reaction is about “Israeli fathers teaching their sons to hate Palestinians”. How about we look at the more obvious solution. The Palestinian just killed someone and grevioisly injured several others, causing the cop to lose his composure. Reality clearly isn’t even on your radar screen.
This is good. Israel finally adopting the strict standards of Palestinian police forces.
There’s no evidence for your claim. Among other things, in the West Bank the Palestinians are “policed” by Israelis who let settler terrorists assault and terrorize Palestinians, and throw them out of their homes, with near impunity.
This is the case the IOF decides to investigate? Aren’t there much worse ones? I seem to remember a recent situation where a young Palestinian girl, with a suicide note in her pocket, approached some Israeli soldiers, pulled out a pair of scissors and got gunned down (it’s called suicide by cop). That would seem more worthy of investigation. I think there were others like that. Were those ever investigated? Did the IOF officers in those cases ever get investigated?
The rise of the newly named newly styled quasi nazi stasi death squads is upon us. After all, when the racists are in power, licenses to kill are not the exception. Naturally, when you steal the homes and lands of people, it is illegal to protest and if you do, that’s a death sentence.
For the life of me, i cannot understand how the leaders of the world tolerate this “less than animal” behavior for even a minute. When God realizes the mistake he made, it’s onto the next gen.
Somehow I am reminded of that ubercreepy Moenia video “Manto Estelar” ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp1Qj9nAV88 ) … somewhere, someone’s spirit has taken one moment with it into the great beyond, and it involves somebody ever screaming “die fucker die”…
This sort of atrocity takes place every day in The Only Democracy™. Palestinians have no means to resist their oppressors who armed with state-of-the art weaponry paid for by American taxpayers. Many young oppressed Palestinians have turned to knives, and even when disarmed and posing no more threat they are commonly executed while the surrounding Zionist crowd chants for their death.
Israeli border police regularly kill Palestinians as young as 12. They regularly arrest children younger than that.
Taking up knives against a deeply militarized state is incomprehensible to people who do not exist in the living death Israel has imposed on Gazans as well as those in the West Bank. No people would passively tolerate what Zionists have been doing to Palestinians for many, many decades.
In a real sense, Israel is responsible for the death of every knife-wielding Palestinian — whether killed in defense of the soldier or as an execution.
Human nature being what it is, it’s hard to picture people being particularly sympathetic to the guy who just tried to kill them with a knife. Oh sure, I can picture if I’m feeling guilty that a militaristic government is committing crimes against civilians, I might bare my throat to the guy who’s chopping off the heads… no, wait, I dunno, that’s not working for me. I mean, <emJesus doesn’t live there anymore … who’s really gonna do this?
We expect the police, the guys with the guns to show due restraint, because they’re the ones whose duty is playing god with deadly force, but as for the rest of the crowd, well, you’re on your own.
Obviously, they victim should have let himself be murder by Abd al-Rahman Radad.
While I really don’t support the state of Israel, I also don’t understand people like you Mona. You seem to be completely detached from reality .
I think there is a basic right of self-defense for all human beings including Israelis and I don’t believe anyone has a moral obligation to provide assistance to the person that just tried to murder them.
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Aggression is not self-defense. Israel is the one killing Palestinians at a rate ~250 to one.
Israel is a crime against humanity.
The point you made totally irrelevant to the subject at hand. My reply was to Mona’s comment. In reference to the young Palestinian who was overpowered by the person he tried to kill.
Please let me know what you would do if some random person comes up to you and tries to murder you ?
“While I really don’t support the state of Israel, I also don’t understand people like you Mona”
Because many people like Mona are anti Semites. You have to ask yourself whether their support of the Palestinians is on a moral basis or a legal basis.
1) On a legal basis, Israel violations of international laws, human rights are clearly 100% wrong. But people like Mona would call you a Zionists if you ever use those same international laws, those same human rights to condemn Hamas, Hezbollah and other groups that specifically target civilians and make it clear to the world that they will kill as many civilians as they can. So, for an anti Semite international laws, human rights apply against Israel not against Palestinians. You would also notice those same anti Semite would demand the end of normal relations between the US and Israel while asking for normal relations between the US and Iran, a well known human rights violator.
2) On a moral basis, of course Israel is wrong to grab people’s land, occupy their territory and bomb them. So, it would be normal for a US citizen to find it immoral to provide military assistance to the Israeli government. But you would notice that the same US citizen is advocating military assistance to the Palestinians whose leaders have made it clear they will use sophisticated weapons to commit human rights violations. For the anti Semite it is immoral to provide weapons to Israel because that government commit human rights violations, but the world should make it easy for the Palestinians to find weapons although they commit human rights violations as well and they make it clear that they intend to commit even more violations.
The anti Semite does not care about the Palestinians. If they really care about them, their first reaction would be to bash Hamas whose policy guarantees constant retaliation from Israel. The anti Semite would never explain why they was not a blockade against Gaza after the Israeli left and why so many Arab countries that hate Israel never give Hamas heavy weaponry.
The idiot, irrational, terrorist sympathizer has spoken again:
“In a real sense, Israel is responsible for the death of every knife-wielding Palestinian — whether killed in defense of the soldier or as an execution.”
In a real sense, France, Indonesia, Philippines, Pakistan, Nigeria, Kenya, Somalia, Norway… is responsible for the death of every knife-wielding Muslims, racists— whether killed in defense of the civilians, kids, the kidnapped or as an execution
In the irrational mind of the terrorist sympathizers, the terrorists who attack civilians and killed them are just responding to their “human nature”, but the civilians who hate the terrorists because those criminals try to kill them are not even human being from wanting the terrorists to die. Anti Semitic at its best!
“Palestinians have no means to resist their oppressors who armed with state-of-the art weaponry paid for by American taxpayers.”
They do. Hamas do have sophisticated small arms even Europeans made rifles. Small arms are the key in urban warfare. Israel produces most of its small arms and its artillery pieces itself. Iranian officials have publicly stated they do provide weapons to Hamas and this is a fact recognized by Hamas and Israel. As a terrorist sympathizer you will never admit the only reason Muslim countries will never give sophisticated missiles to Hamas is because everybody knows Hamas will commit genocide with them. That is the irrationality of terrorist sympathizers: American taxpayers should not help the Israeli military because it is an occupying force committing human rights violations, but Palestinians should get sophisticated weaponry while their leaders called knife-wielding terrorist who specifically target civilians “a hero” and made it clear they will destroy Israel.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34810155
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-gaza-hamas-iran-20140804-story.html
“…….In a real sense, Israel is responsible for the death of every knife-wielding Palestinian — whether killed in defense of the soldier or as an execution…..”
Exactly Mona. You hit the nail right on the head:
“……..A senior Hamas official boasted during a conference in Istanbul on Wednesday that the group’s military wing was behind the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank in June…….” HAARETZ
Had it coming……
God you are a depraved and foul person, Craig. You are well aware that that guy was boasting and lying. Shin Bet doesn’t believe him, and knows Hamas didn’t engineer this kidnapping. It was done by some rogue members acting without orders. You know this.
And even if your version were correct, that would not redeem Israel’s executing people. Israel deeply oppresses Palestinians, and now added to the list of many crimes it is engaging in summary executions. To say the executed “had it coming” is to endorse Israeli depravity — but then you operate by depraved standards.
“…..now added to the list of many crimes it is engaging in summary executions…..”
I would say that Palestinians running around knifing people, or Hamas kidnapping teenagers and killing them is equivalent to a summary execution. Israel may deeply oppress the Palestinians, but that is not an excuse for summary executions by Palestinians or members of Hamas – which you continuously ignore as if they have some kind of God-given right to kill innocent Israelis. They don’t – and it leads to a vicious cycle of murder.
“…….God you are a depraved and foul person, Craig. You are well aware that that guy was boasting and lying…..”
Really Mona? I supposed to believe Hamas? Take the word of a terrorist organization?
“…….Hamas leader Khaled Mashal admitted for the first time in an interview with Yahoo News on Saturday that Hamas militants were behind the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the Hebron area in June, and claimed that the political leadership was “not aware of this action taken by this group of Hamas members in advance.”……” (YNET NEWS)
Presumably, the Israeli police are responsible for the actions of individual officers, but are you saying that Hamas is not responsible for their members abducting and executing children? And the last time I read an account of the story, the Israeli teens didn’t attack and attempt to knife to death any Palestinians. And you think I’m depraved and foul?
Personally, I do believe Hamas leadership was behind the abduction and murder of the three Jewish teens.
You take the word of a terrorist state; a state founded on terror and that now commits it as a nation-state, and ad hoc in the West Bank.
Israeli media has reported that Netanyahu knew, almost immediately, that Hamas did not kidnap and execute those three young yeshiva men. A rogue Hamas cell did that, and this isn’t disputed (any more) except by you.