(updated below)
As Donald Trump’s campaign predictably moves from toxic rhetoric targeting the most marginalized minorities to threats and use of violence, there is a growing sense that American institutions have been too lax about resisting it. Political scientist Brendan Nyhan on Sunday posted a widely cited Twitter essay voicing this concern, arguing that “Trump’s rise represents a failure in American parties, media, and civic institutions — and they’re continuing to fail right now.” He added, “Someone could capture a major party [nomination] who endorses violence [and] few seem alarmed.”
Actually, many people are alarmed, but it is difficult to know that by observing media coverage, where little journalistic alarm over Trump is expressed. That’s because the rules of large media outlets — venerating faux objectivity over truth along with every other civic value — prohibit the sounding of any alarms. Under this framework of corporate journalism, to denounce Trump, or even to sound alarms about the dark forces he’s exploiting and unleashing, would not constitute journalism. To the contrary, such behavior is regarded as a violation of journalism. Such denunciations are scorned as opinion, activism, and bias: all the values that large media-owning corporations have posited as the antithesis of journalism in order to defang and neuter it as an adversarial force.
Just this morning, NPR media reporter David Folkenflik published a story describing the concern and even anger of some NPR executives and journalists over a column by longtime NPR commentator Cokie Roberts — the Beacon of Washington Centrism — that criticizes Trump. “NPR has a policy forbidding its journalists from taking public stances on political affairs,” he wrote. For any NPR reporter, Roberts’s statements — warning of the dangers of a Trump presidency — would be a clear violation of that policy.
An NPR vice president, Michael Oreskes, published an internal memo to NPR staff this morning highlighting Roberts’s non-reporting and non-employee role as a reason she would not be punished, but he pointedly noted, “If Cokie were still a member of NPR’s staff we would not have allowed that.” And in an interview that Oreskes “directed” Roberts to do this morning with Morning Edition host David Greene about the matter, the NPR host chided Roberts for expressing negative views of Trump, telling her:
Objectivity is so fundamental to what we do. Can you blame people like me for being a little disappointed to hear you come out and take a personal position on something like this in a campaign?
Imagine calling yourself a journalist, and then — as you watch an authoritarian politician get closer to power by threatening and unleashing violence and stoking the ugliest impulses — denouncing not that politician, but rather other journalists who warn of the dangers. That is the embodiment of the ethos of corporate journalism in America, and a potent illustration of why its fetishized reverence for “objectivity” is so rotted and even dangerous. Indeed, Roberts herself agreed that it was justified for her to speak out only because she’s in the role of NPR commentator and not reporter: “If I were doing it in your role” as a reporter, Roberts told Greene, “you should be disappointed.”
This abdication of the journalistic duty inevitably engendered by corporate “neutrality” rules is not new. We saw it repeatedly during the Bush years, when most large media outlets suppressed journalistic criticism of things like torture and grotesque war crimes carried out by the U.S. as part of the war on terror, and even changed their language by adopting government euphemisms to obscure what was being done. Outlets such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, and NPR refused to use the word “torture” to describe techniques long universally recognized as such — which were always called torture by those same media outlets when used by countries adversarial to the U.S. — because to do so would evince “bias,” lack “neutrality,” and “take sides” in the torture debate.
Contrary to what U.S. media corporations have succeeded in convincing people, these journalistic neutrality rules are not remotely traditional. They are newly invented concepts that coincided with the acquisition of the nation’s most important media outlets by large, controversy-averse corporations for which “media” was just one of many businesses.
Large corporations hate controversy (it alienates consumers) and really hate offending those who wield political power (bad for business). Imposing objectivity rules on the journalists who work for their media divisions was a means to avoid offending anyone by forcing journalists to conceal their perspectives, assumptions, and viewpoints, and, worse, forcing them to dishonestly pretend that they had none, that they float above all that. This framework neutered journalism and drained it of all its vitality and passion, reducing journalists to stenography drones permitted to do little more than summarize what each equally valid side asserts. Worse, it ensures that people who wield great influence and power — such as Donald Trump — can engage in all sorts of toxic, dishonest, and destructive behavior without having to worry about any check from journalists, who are literally barred by their employers from speaking out (even as their employers profit greatly through endless coverage).
This corporate, neutrality-über-alles framework is literally the exact antithesis of how journalism was practiced, and why it was so valued, when the U.S. Constitution was enacted and for decades after. As Jack Shafer documented in 2013, those who claim that journalism has always been grounded in neutrality demonstrate “a painful lack of historical understanding of American journalism.” Indeed, “American journalism began in earnest as a rebellion against the state”: citizens using journalism to denounce in no uncertain terms the evils of the British Crown and to agitate for resistance against it. He cites Judith and William Serrin’s anthology, Muckraking: The Journalism That Changed America, which “establishes the primacy of partisan, activist journalism from the revolutionary period through the modern era.” That is the noble journalistic tradition that has been deliberately suppressed — outright barred — by our nation’s largest corporate media outlets, justifying their meek and impotent codes under the banner of an objectivity and neutrality that are as illusory and deceitful as they are amoral.
As a result, nobody should be looking to our nation’s largest media outlets to serve as a bulwark against Trumpism or any other serious menace. The rules they have imposed on themselves, by design, ensure their own neutrality even in the face of the most extreme evils.
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The debate over “objectivity” and “neutrality” in journalism has been, as I noted, quite relevant and pressing since long before the emergence of Donald Trump. I had a long exchange with former New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller about this in 2013 in the context of the founding of The Intercept, where the arguments are laid out in full, and, as Folkenflik noted this morning, I spoke with him about this issue on CNN after that exchange with Keller:
Update: March 14, 2016
Regarding whether “neutrality” and “objectivity” are new journalistic concoctions, note that the two most revered figures in American broadcast journalism history — Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite — would have been fired from NPR and multiple other contemporary media outlets for their most notable moments: Murrow when he used his nightly news broadcast to repeatedly denounce Sen. Joseph McCarthy, and Cronkite when he did the same about the Vietnam War.
The objectivity is totally faux — witness the blackout or brownout on covering Sanders or the condescending treatment of him by NPR. When I was a freelance radio reporter for a public radio member station, a piece I did on Israel’s savage attack on Lebanon in 2009 was censored because (and I quote the news director) it was “too powerful.” I had interviewed an academic who had just returned from Lebanon and she broke down in tears when describing the horror. Then there was the time I went to a job interview as bureau chief for another pub radio station and was told that believing in global warming was not being “objective.” (I declined to pursue the job after that comment.) When facts becomes inconvenient, NPR labels them opinions.
I hate it when people like Glenn force me to defend Trump (*shutters*).
Do you really not understand, Glenn, that doubling down on Trump-smearing is EXACTLY what’s made him more popular? The people that support him are doing so vehemently BECAUSE the media is coming down on him so hard. Every time you write a piece like this, he gets 10 more supporters.
It’s the fault of you and people like you that we’re going to have to have an idiot like Trump as president.
How does this article “smear” Donald Trump? There are multiple purposes to this article including to point out that the notion of objectivity and neutrality in the press is a myth (but “smearing” Donal Trump can hardly be considered one of them. The (corporate) media are actually responsible for providing Donald Trump a substantial amount of ‘free advertising’ and in fact have provided him more coverage than for any other candidate (by orders of magnitude) in this election, including of both major parties, the Greens and every other party and candidate for that matter.
Bernie Sanders has received practically no coverage, both compared to Clinton and Trump despite his poll numbers and the fact that unlike both of them, and every other Republican candidate, he is funded entirely from small donations. Im not saying vote for the guy, but that should tell you something about the real slant of the corporate press that some here seem to think is so hostile to Trump.
It is also worthy noting, and this relates to comments posted by others below as well, that the Intercept (including Glen Greenwald) has critically reviewed other candidates as well, including the leading democrat Hilary Clinton in a way that no other main corporate press does (not even FOX which in theory would given it is basically a branch of the Republican Party).
As such, not quite sure what your basis for this comment is, “Every time you write a piece like this, he gets 10 more supporters.”. And finally, and this is even more difficult to comprehend, “It’s the fault of you and people like you that we’re going to have to have an idiot like Trump as president”.
If Trump is elected (such as anyone is actually ‘elected’ in this system and not ‘selected’) it will be for a host of factors, not least of which because of the people who chose to vote for him, and the groundwork which has been laid by those in power over a number of decades and a largely conducive corporate media to date.
It’s a sad, shameful day that a journalist levies against objective fact reporting journalism.
The point, dear Glenn, is that a journalist does one thing, and one thing only; report facts. You are more than welcome (Like Mr. Murrow and Cronkite did in your update, btw, neither were engaged with a journalist-intent when they did those, surprise surprise, opinion pieces) to shout your opinion from the rooftop. I have no issue with you screaming out “Trump is racist!” or “Trump is hitler!”, that’s no problem. You’re welcome to that opinion and, of course, are free to share it.
The issue is when you, as a journalist, say “Fact: Trump is a racist.” This is not a fact, this is an opinion. Nothing he advocates actually alludes to textbook racist; the desire to deport illegal immigrants (illegal being the key word) or block potentially dangerous people from the US until they can be cleared are racist. He’s pro immigration, so long as it’s legal.
You create an assessment from your own purview and tout it as objective truth. This saddens me deeply, Glenn, it’s painful to watch.
The left-wing media has spoken out against Trump, and none of the Trump supporters seem to care. Your answer seems to be they haven’t spoken out enough. Maybe you should shout louder Glenn and maybe bang your hand on the table a couple of times to show you are serious.
Take Europe as an example. The left gave up on ordinary working-class people years ago. Where traditionally the Left aligned itself with the working-class, now they treat ordinary people with disdain. They don’t really trust the working class. Terra Nova, a left-wing think tank closely associated with the French Socialist Party, say that future society would be ‘younger, more diverse, more feminised’, and that ‘the working class is no longer at the heart of the left-wing vote’. I feel this is indicative of the Left in general throughout the West. The working-class are no longer their vote. They are more concerned with appealing to middle-class liberals and minority groups. They embrace the right-on attitude of today’s student activists and the doctrine of intersectionality in general.
Laurent Bouvet, a political scientist, made this argument last year. A view that I believe is a large part of the problem.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/22/alienated-french-working-class-vote-far-right-claims-analyst
The big issue of our times in Europe of course is the migrant crisis and radical Islam. Two issues the Left seems quite content to be silent on, or if they do say anything, it is usually to give an incredibly nuanced position that ultimately tip-toes around the issue. Those from within the Left are so quick to brandish people who take issue with these subjects as racists in an effort to silence them. The fact remains though that migration into Europe is at unprecedented levels and people have very real, genuine fears about that. Instead of actually engaging with these people, instead it seems easier just to ignore them.
One thing I have heard a lot from the Left over recent months is that the Left is reluctant to speak about these subjects because of fear of giving ammunition to the far right. This tactic however seems to me like a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don’t give a very real alternative voice on these issues then the only ones taking these issues seriously is the far-right. All it does is make the Left look weak on the real issues. They seem completely incapable of dealing with the real issues. This is pushing more people to the right in Europe. Not because the working-class are all just flagrant racists, but because the Left is giving them no choice. They no longer speak for them, they no longer engage with them. The rise of the far-right is my biggest fear concerning Europe. The Left seems to be eating itself right now and the final nail in the coffin might be the far-right sweeping Europe. I hope not, but it is a very real possibility.
To sum up, I believe the *real* failure of the Left is its inability to engage with and align itself with ordinary working-class citizens. People are sick and tired of being ignored. The popularity of Donald Trump is simply a reaction to that.
This is disgusting propaganda for the avocation of journalistic bias, So you want the right to call your self a reporter and hide behind the name of integrity while spewing opinions and ideological bias’s.
Your not fooling many people, #Regressiveleft? Introspection is hard I know but at lest try a little bit~
(IMO) It will be interesting to see if this goes through, comments restricted by this type of reply format are usually heavily censored.
Summarized: “I pretend to be a journalist, but I have no idea what the difference between news reporting and editorializing and outright lying is. Remember, supposedly, I am a professional.”
There. Saved you from reading this utter garbage.
Thank you for besmirching the memory of both Cronkite and Murrow by pointing to their exceptions and not the main body of their work. Might as well criticize NASA as useless because occasionally something explodes that shouldn’t have.
Please stop being an extremist, overstating your case and calling for media partisanship. That’s what most of the media already IS, we don’t need more.
Indeed, if the media were LESS partisan, it would have a higher trust factor… right now, it’s in the toilet, less than 30% last I saw. This is a BIG part of the reason Trump is winning: haven’t you noticed that NO ONE BELIEVES YOU?
It’s the same rhetoric any Republican front-runner or nominee gets, over the last twenty years. He’s a Nazi, violent, racist? Yawn. This is the same old blather, only dialed up to 15 and with the GOP talking heads joining in now – transparently so, since they’re losing control of their own nomination process.
We’ve heard you lot crying wolf a thousand times before and WE DON’T CARE ANYMORE. Congratulations, Media At Large, on blowing your credibility years ago.
I disagree, it is the job of the news to give people facts that are generally untouched by personal opinion. When news reporting gets touched by bias and personal opinion, when it isn’t objective and doesn’t present all sides of the story fairly, it makes media look BAD, it makes people trust it less. Sensationalized headlines and biased news stories do not do anyone any favors.
From what I’ve seen the media is generally against Donald Trump, but even if it wasn’t, if Donald Trump is truly as bad as you assert, then WHY do you not trust the objective facts alone to bring him down?
and where is this neutrality when it concerns Muslims?
This website makes me happy. Makes me feel like there’s still sane people in America. Thank you, Greenwald and Scahill.
Thanks for another important read, Glenn.
At the risk of stating what hundreds of others wrote here already, “objectivity” doesn’t mean “neutrality” any more than “decimated” means “devastated”. They are words which nowadays are constantly mistaken for one another.
“Objectivity” involves an object: objective truth, solid facts, the traditional quarry of serious journalism. “Neutrality” stands passively apart, judging nothing.
We lost the truth connection along with the Fairness Doctrine, after which news degenerated into entertainment and outright propaganda, asserted its “right” to lie and got corporate judges to decide that everything is a matter of opinion.
I’m not sure how we forgot that decimation was the Roman punishment for naugty regiments. One man out of every 10 men was executed. (The root “dec” is a strong clue that the number 10 is involved; think decade, for instance.) Most things now said to be “decimated” would have been lucky, had they suffered mere 10 percent setbacks. I just had to get this off my chest, too.
I’m usually a big fan. But I think Glenn. I think there has been much media criticism of Trump by way of reports on a focus on his low policy and high nationalistic strong man appeal. It is also clear that the MSN echo chamber, along now with Glenn, have created a misleading narrative that Trump advocates the initiation of violence at his rallies. This is wholely fabricated by an establishment media and the left wing. Trump has never advocated violence except in response to violence–normally thought of the right to self defense, not “advocating violence.” Glenn has now joined the echo chamber, sacrificed his hard won reputation for integrity for the short term benefit of defeating Trump.
Why, Glenn? To bolster the chances of a morally corrupt woman who is likely to stumble into WWIII and continue to decimate the economy? Or have you decided that a duplicitous “consistent” conservative who would wreck civil liberties and carpet bomb the Levant is a better choices?
I personally feel proud and vindicated after reading something from The Intercept, as opposed to something supportive and encouraging of a known racist bigot like Trump, who should not be permitted anywhere near the amount of political and economic power that somebody as hateful in his speech towards Hispanics and Muslims as he is. If I was to publicly void racist language as Trump has done repeatedly, I would be in police custody hoping that my conviction for hate speech didn’t lead to prison time in a maximum security prison.
“As Donald Trump’s campaign predictably moves from toxic rhetoric targeting the most marginalized minorities to threats and use of violence, there is a growing sense that American institutions have been too lax about resisting it.”
This is a fine example of propaganda! We are to understand that words are more dangerous than drones, leaking nuclear power plants, Fukushima and Monsanto’s wizardry, cluster bombs, missiles, etc. which we all seem to accept with hardly a thought. But now comes Donald Trump!!! Somehow this rather friendly guy is the bane of American life. Forget 9/11 and take Glenn’s incredible position. The Arabs did it? But keep your ear and eye pealed for the next assault of the Donald. What next? I guess when Glenn was growing up he did not learn: ‘Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never harm me.’ Why feed people who say things you do not like with negative reactions. It is painful and a great energy waste. If you stop reacting the person who says offensive things will lose interest as well. Anyway Greenwald is doing the MSM thing rather than doing the hard work of actually studying Trump and having something interesting to say. Lazy? Paid off? Beats me.
Er, next time wash off the lettuce in your word salad.
If you are so stupid that you are unable to understand his post as anything but word salad, then it is you who is deficient here.
Summarized: I want Trump to appoint half the Supreme Court.
You want it to be not a textual contract but a living document because amending it is too hard to get your societal re-engineering through? Fine, but Trump (or Cruz) is what you get. We can play your game – but remember it is your game, your rules. Pack the court and the Constitution says anything they want it to say. Why did you assume it would always be packed with your side?
Who’s assuming anything like that? How do you read this article as pro-Trump?
Are you Scalia’s ghost?
I warned you when the olgberfelt decision was decided you ought to be mourning, not celebrating.
It was clear then you hate democracy.
You still do. You have been too successful. The establishment uniparty controls all. You object to wars and the NSA, but that is part of it. Obama’s surveillance, drones, war on whistleblowers? Part of the game – why didn’t the same media condemn him? Any media that could effectively condemn Trump would have ripped into Obama.
You call Trump toxic. That is because you see him the same way many citizens see DC – imposing rules undemocratically and unconstitutionally from above. Obama gained power, you applauded. The supreme court imposed, you applauded. Power to the elite! But now that the same machine – the monster you created – is going to be guided by what the people want – democratically – you fear. You should.
You forgot the danger is government itself, not that the wrong people are in it.
A Yuge government that can redefine marriage is Yuge enough to redefine anything. I don’t like Trump, but enjoymthe schadenfreude.
And everyone knows the media is biased anyways. As Tom Woods calls it, “the index card or allowable opinion”. It is not that they don’t believe things about Trump, it is they know everyone else is as or more corrupt, but the gentleman’s agreement keeps the media silent – like on Obama or even Hillary’s breach is worse than Snowden’s.
“We’re losing because they’re using facts, we need to just depend on calling people racist without proof”
Just saved you reading this glorified blog.
What? I cannot even figure out what you mean! But if that is a summary of this article, then I’m a human paraquat.
we can remove that pesky bit about Freedom of the Press too you know.
as long as we are changing things around…..
Meh. Trumpy is not that bad. How come everyone liked him just fine for 40 years until he ran for president?
I think: because he is an insider, the fact that he is revealing the crimes and money scandals and true intentions of the GOP, as well as the Democrats, and other politicians and CEOs that many people knew, or have long suspected, but have never heard mentioned by anyone in the MSM, is driving many CEOs and politicians to desperation, because they will have to live with the curtailing of their profits from war mongering and other attempts to get rich, or even exposure of crimes.
Quote: “An NPR vice president, Michael Oreskes, published an internal memo to NPR staff this morning highlighting Roberts’s non-reporting and non-employee role as a reason she would not be punished, but he pointedly noted, ‘If Cokie were still a member of NPR’s staff we would not have allowed that’.”
Ha! Typical NPR hypocrisy on parade. I was pilloried and blacklisted by NPR in 2011 for my involvement in the Occupy movement, though I wasn’t an NPR employee at the time, nor an NPR freelancer, nor an NPR contractor, nor getting a dime from NPR. But they made sure to make an example of me, a big scary leftwing OPERA host! They even purged my voice from old holiday programs lest it taint their precious airwaves.
But I had plenty of opportunity to see up close and personal the hypocrisy and weaseling of NPR in the years when I did work there. Greenwald hits every nail on the head.
I see we’ve moved on to the evidence deniers portion of the show:
“CraigSummers has tantrum as he tries to fit square pegs into round holes”
and “buildings can’t collapse because explosion/fire/gravity”
A Sex Kittens For Everyone Production™
Executive producer, Billy Graham.
Is this show still on? I hoped it might have outgrown its own cast system.
Interesting radio interview with pro-Cruz Ben Shapiro on the difference between media being upfront about their ideological bent, and media lying about a physical assault on one of their reporters.
Shapiro thinks Breitbart and Trump crossed the line, into unacceptable behaviour when they tried to cover up a minor bruise in a reporter scrum.
I have trouble figuring out how exactly Shapiro’s principled conservatism draws this line:
From my perspective, holding prisoners under water, spying on entire populations, and assassinating people around the world with flying robots, these things are all self evidently bad and should be outlawed. But in America…we get to listen to erudite legal scholars like Obama, as well as self described principled conservatives such as Shapiro expound on the niceties of such things.
Here’s Dave Rubin, a “liberal” and Ben Shapiro “a principled conservative” discussing such things as “the regressive left”, how strong men like Trump are leftists, how all taxes are “a gangster shakedown”, how single payer healthcare is a “magical” fantasy coming from Sanders’ envy of the wealth of Bill Gates…
…a very sophisticated world view: “the government is a big shooting people machine”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qrlnn35gBo
I dunno, I think roughing up a reporter and bombing natives are roughly on a par, in that neither is something that a gentleman does, but which occasionally a gentleman is forced to allow a minion to do. So Trump’s minions are not gentlemen, and Breitbart’s successors are liars. So what? Our soldiers in Central Asia not gentlemen either. European football players are not always gentlemen.
And that’s how easy it is to create an utterly false equivalence.
Robert Reich – ONE liberal who understands and abhors what has happened to the working class in America:
Wednesday, Mar 16, 2016 04:15 AM EDT
Robert Reich: Trade agreements are simply ravaging the middle class
In the ’60s and ’70s, these deals increased demand for American products. Now they’re designed to keep wages down
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/robert_reich_trade_deals_are_gutting_the_middle_class_partner/
Yes, and which is why Reich has endorsed Bernie Sanders.
The LA Times has just editorialized against an extremist position being promoted by the Israel Lobby — as well as Sen. Dianne Feinstein — and incorporated into a report and recommendation from the University California Board of Regents:
Glenn Greenwald has written an analysis of the great errors of this proposal: The Greatest Threat to Campus Free Speech is Coming From Dianne Feinstein and her Military-Contractor Husband It is beyond reasonable dispute that the greatest threat to free speech in the U.S. — certainly on campus — and in other Western nations, is being pushed by the Israel Lobby.
Very encouraging.
Vote who’s in out!
Agree with you about the danger of the rise of Trump and his racism, bigotry clearly on display.
However if you apply this same standard to the proven, bloody war hawk Hillary Clinton and how the MSM (Rachel Maddow, etc, Chris Matthews did go much further the other night (Monday) during his interview with her about 20 minutes into the segment) have stayed mostly silent about her war record as Secretary of State…Libya, Syria. Yes Matthews went for war record that evening but has allowed her record to be off limits…as well as the rest of the MSM.
What other Dem Presidential candidate has had such a horrific war record who has gotten so far. So telling and shameful that so many Dems are willing to ignore the Obama administrations (Clinton’s role as Secretary of State pushing for these interventions) bloody regime change. Willing to ignore the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dead and injured bodies of people in Iraq, Libya and Syria. Dem voters willing to ignore Clinton’s role in creating the situation in Syria and the millions of refugees.
Trump’s language is horrific. Clinton’s actions and decisions even more so when it comes to U.s. foreign policy
Completely agree. Most of the writers at this site probably would as well.
Damn right!
We worked hard for Sanders in Colorado. Lived most my life in Ohio and back here taking care of 88 year old mother part time. Just shocked by Dem friends who have been willing to vote for a proven and deadly war hawk like Hillary when we have such a viable and honorable candidate like Bernie. Ok I don’t agree with all of his votes.
Just can’t think of another proven war hawk who has gotten so far in the Dem process. OK her Iraq vote was horrific enough.. Then her push for interventions in Libya and Syria as Secretary of State just added to her war record. Deadly and shameful. Can not vote for her…On top of that shameful war record nothing will change on Wall Street with another Clinton as President. Bill’s signature on the repeal of Glass Steagall.
Clinton’s war record just being skated over by the MSM.
Don’t forget her support for settler colonialism in historic Palestine, the 2009 coup in Honduras(http://www.thenation.com/article/chronicle-of-a-honduran-assassination-foretold/ ) or her support for ‘Free Trade’ deals like (http://www.thenation.com/article/the-clinton-email-bernie-sanders-should-bring-up-in-sundays-debate/) her admiration and strong links to Kissinger (see http://www.thenation.com/article/henry-kissinger-hillary-clintons-tutor-in-war-and-peace/), her hawkishness on Russia and her role in the ‘soft’ coup in Japan see
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-other-regime-change-how-hillary-co-smacked-washingtons-japanese-vassal-into-line/).
Of course,most if not all of that implicates Obama as well given that he is Commander in Chief of all of these policies and hired what was basically a Clinton team (wall street team and neocons – e.g. Victoria Nuland see: http://freepress.org/article/ukraine-one-%E2%80%98regime-change%E2%80%99-too-many and then listen to her speak to US Ambassador discussion the coup that was yet to be 2 weeks before it happens in the Ukrain: uploaded on 4 February https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM) with some imperial militarists like Robert Gates – who himself brought in Robert D Kaplan – into the picture, to name but a few.)
And Trump has condemned those illegal wars and U.S. intervention overseas.
Uh-huh. Which is why he wants to “bomb the hell out of ISIS.” Cuz there’s no ISIS overseas. And “Mexico will build the wall.” If Mexico isn’t inclined to do so, then what? (Granted, Mexico isn’t overseas, so he has wiggle room there to bomb the fuck out of Mexico.)
And, it’s so too bad about the “Mexican rapists” or the “ban all Muslims.” Or his patient consideration of the merits of the KKK. We do, after all, have to get over all this “political correctness,” doncha know.
Yeah, what a great guy.
Ok,what’s wrong with bombing IsUS?Why would we bomb Mexico?Ridiculous speculation.Are there Mexican illegals who have been rapists?Yes.
As far as the KKK ,no one today,outside of a few extremists,gives a sh*t about them,other than for political haymaking.
The DD support of Trumps campaign is just a sign of that haymaking.Trump can’t control who want him as POTUS,just as Bernie Sanders can’t control the extremists who embarrassed him.I imagine Davide Duke is an American nationalist,Constitutionally warped as he is,and freedom is untidy eh?
Mona wants to program the citizenchips.sheesh.
Your reply is part disgusting, and part non-responsive. It certainly doesn’t reach this: “Or his patient consideration of the merits of the KKK. We do, after all, have to get over all this ‘political correctness,’ doncha know.”
I am unaware of Trumps words about the KKK.That’s why I didn’t respond to that.All I’m saying is Trump can’t mind control his political followers.Yes,there might be bad people who support him,just as I know there are a myriad of racist warmongering scum who back HRC.
Tarring Trump with others faults is a reach.
I don’t wait with baited breath for my guru(not) Trumps latest jibes,or the MSMs interpretations.
I am taking him at his words of actual productive policy,not stupid gotcha idiocy.
To me he is the only American in the race.The rest are quislings.
If Louis Farrakhan came out for Trump(just saying),would you condemn Trump?Farrakhan (who I like and admire,he is usually spot on in his political statements)is for separatism,right?
Trump is a NY centrist.This racism and bigotry crap is all nonsense from the real bigots,who are deathly afraid of having their way all the time re I-P curtailed.
And the Israelis will then be able to live in peace.
And their neighbors also.
Until all are secure,none will be.
Disgusting?I put a * in sh*t,right?
You one weird lady.
Even 25 years ago, Bill Clinton was using David Duke as a boogeyman in his Sister Souljah Moment. Just because he use to be in the KKK nearly 40 years ago and has been forever linked to them as a matter of principle. Since, you know, there is basically no such thing as the KKK in 2016. It’s so dilute that no one could name a single KKK leader today.
For eight months or so the corporate media has ignored almost all journalistic activity to focus on the Trump circus. He has played these over-paid shills on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and the three main networks like a cheap fiddle to hype his exposure with the polls rating, with little or no examination of the implications of his wildly irrational plans or goals. In addition his displays of prejudice and bigotry have met little criticism. This is less a criticism of Trump than of the corporate media and the laziness of reporters and program managers. Hopefully, the electorate will discover their values and move in a better direction in the next few months.
This thread is getting old, but here is an interesting take on Trump’s alleged bigotry:
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-blessed-bigotry-of-mr-trump/
Awesome tome by a righteous Jew!
Poor Bernie supporters. Why don’t you do something nice for yourselves and buy or renew a New York Times Digital Subscription.
I feel ya.
While I’ve had my issues with the NYT, now I see just how much they’ve been hiding from me. Having dived into that Fritz Springmeier book you told us all to read, I am certain the NYT would never report crucial things like this:
Virtually none of the NYT reporting on the Sharon Tate murder made the Illuminati connection. Only you and your premier source, Fritz Springmeier, have the sharpness of mind to do that.
As a Trump defender, do you feel he will do what it takes to end this Illuminati mind-controlled slave scourge?
A lot of Conspiracists go overboard. They go a bit squirrely when they realize the world isn’t what they thought it was and start seeing conspiracies everywhere.
Here is a gentle introduction:
http://www.unz.com/article/battling-the-matrix-and-freeing-oneself-from-the-roger-rabbit-mental-world/
Meh, he’s just admitting there may be some inanity out there, but he’s doing so to defend the “integrity” of the 9/11 Truthers.
“integrity of 9/11 Truthers” as determined by a lawyer who is testifying as an expert sans credentials. AND you claim a devotion to the “truth”.
The NIST report on 9/11 is rife with obfuscation and disingenuous statements. For example, the model of WTC 7 omitted the first 8 floors as well as the top floor! And then the simulation was halted at the start of the collapse! (no need to actually run the simulation, we just ran the setup to prove it could fail …)
It is scientific fraud of the highest order.
As a high school science project it would get a Fail.
Please Mona, what evidence are you relying upon to make your determination the building collapses were not engineered demolition?
I went to my professor with my questions. He, a world-class expert in explosives, laughed as I have never seen him. He turned and walked away because the discussion was over. There is no other explanation for all 3 building collapses than engineered demolition.
That the NIST report found a different conclusion is proof of how deep and complete the corruption is.
9/11 is a crime that is still blamed on Muslims; why do that?
Very interesting.Yes,it is all a RRN.And HRC is a freaking toon!
I used to read the lying times every day,before that day that changed everything,and realized it was a zionist tool,but its conduct since has been totally criminal,for US,and the world.
The absolute scarcity of any real investigation for proof of the actual perps or funders of 9-11,the absolute ironclad protection of Saudi Arabia,and the subsequent destruction of the ME,foretold by the PNAC,make any disparagement of so called “truthers”laughable.
And yeah,7 came down very professionally.
Eh? They’ve banned me @ NYT for being too Bernie (or not Hillary enough.) … although I still get my 10 free delivered to my mail box?
Bernie is an honest decent guy up against a corrupt system.
Trump is more like Machiavelli’s “The Prince.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince
It’s official: Michael O’Malley defeated Tim McGinty for prosecutor in the county that includes Cleveland. McGinty made absolutely sure that the grand jury that considered whether to indict the cop who shot dead 12-year-old Tamir Rice returned a no bill.
And, Anita Alvarez, the prosecutor who sat on the video of a cop executing black teen Laquan McDonald for a year, until after Rahm Emanuel was safely re-elected, went down to overwhelming defeat.
Black Lives Matter matters! Congrats peeps.
…by South Side blacks.
More like Chicago vote counting …
Yes, because Rahm made sure the Laquan McDonald video of the execution was suppressed before the election. Hence the anger and her defeat. Blacks didn’t know, and they absolutely should have.
‘Blacks’?!
Who was Rahm’s opponent?
Sounds counter intuitive,seeing the the anti BS vote in the black voting South.
Hispanic?I’m not a Chicagoan,just wondering.
They seem to be voting against their interests black America,as it sure seemed like Clinton’s Ohio and Ill.support was urban based.
Lack of internet?Church minders?Ignorance?
Weird.
Humans evolve. We aren’t drawing and quartering people any more, etc. As we evolve, our morals change also. What was acceptable a few centuries ago is no longer acceptable.
Racism and violence are becoming less and less acceptable. Those who cling to the past have fears around change, and so they fight it, but it is going to happen whether they like it or not. Just as smoking became less acceptable, and there were/are those who still cling to it, but change happened regardless.
Neither racism or violence is healthy for humans, and it is becoming unacceptable as we evolve.
Trump appeals to those “hanger-on-ers,” who don’t cope well with change. Change has always come from the grassroots in this country, not governments or corporations. Dinosaurs do not survive in the long run. Government, corporations/businesses/media outlets, and people who have trouble with change will get left behind–reporters will move on to media outlets that are about change. It’s as simple as that.
Trump appeals to fear, and those clinging to what they have from the past, and who fear change, are his followers. Those who cling to the past will lose what they have because change will happen with them or without them. Nothing is static in this life.
Holy cow! the feared are all the sheeple cowed by the shrub and obomba into supporting murdering others so they’ll be safe.
Trump is the antithesis of them,he’s saying yankee come home.
Fear is not the driving force for border control,its national integrity for the citizens of the nation,to help the economy,and,in an age of terror brought to US by Zion,a little security,to soothe the actual rabbits,illiberals.
I aint afeared.
Denial is often a partner of fear.
Goodness. Glenn writes, “As a result, nobody should be looking to our nation’s largest media outlets to serve as a bulwark against Trumpism or any other serious menace.”
Not the New York Daily News, not MSNBC, not Salon, not CNN, not NYT, not the Washington Post, not the LA Times, not anybody.
Really, I cannot thank you enough for having linked to this Fritz Springmeier book, which is teaching me more than all that undergrad and graduate work did. Good god, had I only known this when raising my kids. To think I let them watch The Wizard of Oz not just once, but as many times as they liked:
Does Donald Trump know that all the royal families of Europe are secret Satanists with powerful occult bloodlines?!?!
You support him, and you have Springmeier’s book, so don’t you think you must make very, very sure Trump reads this and knows the score!?!?
Think about it, if elected he’s likely to have to meet the Queen of England, Prince Charles and the Little Princes. OMG OMG OMG
You spent days calling others trolls, asking others to stop spamming ….while you are the one who have been writing those irrelevant comments over and over. Are you sure you are not the one who needs another hobby? Moreover, you really need to understand your teenage years are over. If what somebody else writes anonymously online in a public comment section bothers you that much, then open your own private website where you can delete whomever you want. Obviously you are incapable of following your own advise. You cannot even ignore me or everybody you call trolls while you are asking others to ignore them. You are indeed an irrational yappy Chihuahua idiot!
Irrelevant!11!1!11!!
underscore, do you see that?! This guy feels Fritz Springmeier’s analyses of the Illuminati and the mind-conntrolled sex kittens are “irrelevant!!”
Betcha he prefers the NYT, eh?
(Altho, the Times is aware, as this one is not, that bills which die in a congressional committee do not have the force of law. So he might be out of his depth with the NYT.)
You really need professional help. Do you have any kids, grand kids you can play with? That might cool your stress level as this comment section is driving you insane.
The MSM hate Trump,his message of America first,and the end of business as usual.IOW;Israel uber alles.
This column must have been recognition that the idiots who crashed Trumps party hurt Sanders,and it looks like it did,as pushback.
Maybe a column that focused on why black people didn’t vote for the Jewish guy from Brooklyn would have been more relevant?
Nobody “crashed Trump’s party.” The minorities against whom Trump is whipping up hatred were protesting his proto-fascist, racist movement.
Trump has uttered racial slurs against minority citizens?
Yes,the hatred is palpable from the zionists.
All because he said he’d be neutral re I-P.
And that he would bring our Israeli Foreign Legion home,and end support and destroy heretical mercenary thugs for Zion and the Saudi criminals.Their hair is on fire!
Both good for US.
Mr Murrow’s words to the Radio Television News Directors Association and Foundation on October 25, 1958 are as timely as ever. Not holding my breath waiting for another ERM in the forseeable future.
You’re just laughing out loud every day.
Someone who “says absolutely nothing and everything, has no political agenda” certainly appears to terrify the progressive left for reasons it can only elaborate on why he’s the bad man.
I’ve been heavily reading that Fritz Springmeier book you recommended and linked to, and I have another question. I honestly had not known that Billy Graham is a Satanist. Have you told your candidate, Donald Trump all of this:
So, is Franklin Graham, Billy’s son, also a Satanist? Have you made sure that Trump knows to stay away from Billy Graham?!?!
For that matter, how do you know that Trump isn’t a Satanist? Given that you support him for President there must be signs that he is Satan-free, and I confess I have no idea how to know who is clean.
Please, can you help all of us reading here and instruct us on such things?
Pravda was an activist newspaper with very opinionated newswriters before becoming the government propaganda outlet. It is true that the principle of neutrality- faux or otherwise- is a somewhat new one, but it’s usually seen as a good development. While activist journalism can be good for some things, they by definition will never show the “whole story”- they tell the stories they wish to tell, including omitting important details which might paint the story in a light they don’t want it in.
Simply taking two opposite activist sources and trying to “add them” to get the truth doesn’t work, you never truly get the whole truth. It’s one of the reasons why court cases (at least when the defendant can afford a decent attorney) don’t work as well as we’d like, you have two activist sides telling their version of events. The more interesting story, or the ones that jury wants to hear, wins out every time.
The main principle that journalists should strive towards is not some kind of fiery opinionated activism- but rather, honest truth-seeking. I think it would be great if reporters did wear their opinions and biases on their sleeve, and to also be honest about the opposing side and any facts that might not support their case. It’s not perfect, but it informs people better than any other way.
That being said, Trump is doing well because of media exposure, but I would say that too many opinions without any regard to the other side is precisely why he is doing so well. His supporters are immune to facts, and the more the media bases him the more popular he gets. Was he treated like every other candidate from the beginning, he would not be where he is today. People decided they enjoyed the unashamed biased talk shows much more than “real journalism”- be it biased or neutral- and Trump is the result of people enjoying his style over any coherent substance. He’s Rush Limbaugh if Limbaugh actually tried to run for office.
From what I’ve heard,Limbaugh is working against him,calling for a contested convention.Limbaugh is a ziomedia whore,They hate Trump.
#ByeAnita has happened in a landslide.
Young activists were most responsible for keeping attention on Alvarez right up to and through the primary. As huge and as important this defeat of Alvarez is, it’s a victory which will carry over into some predictable and some unforeseen other outcomes as well. Congratulations to Chicago and to the human race.
Not only that but with 19% of the vote in, the prosecutor in Cleveland who made sure the cop who killed Tamir Rice didn’t get a grand jury indictment, Tim McGinty, is several points behind challenger Michael O’Malley. It’s too close to call, but this is quite something.
Almost 40% in, and McGinty’s fallen a bit further behind O’Malley.
It does not make sense. Did the people of Chicago went to vote and fire somebody they disagree with? Are you saying in the “terrorist state” of the USA where the media is only the mouthpiece of the government, the people can actually fire their leaders?
By the way, I’m watching CBSN on the Roku, covering tonight’s primaries. All they’ve been doing for the past 2-3 hours is discussing, praying, encouraging each other on the topic on how to ensure that Trump is not nominated.
After Rubio dropped out, their new big hope and anti-Trump front runner is Kasich, the wildly popular not-Trump politician who won exactly ONE state so far, the one where he is currently the governor.
So, if the NPR didn’t like Cocky Roberts’ rant, whatever she said is quite mainstream and accepted.
The smart CBSN commentators are now complaining that Trump is ‘hijacking’ the GOP nomination process, having won 17 states so far and preventing legitimate and wildly popular and serious and mainstream politicians such as Kasich who won ONE state.
I have to agree with Glenn. The way you describe it sounds to me like the CBSN commentators just aren’t doing anything about attempting to counter Trumpism.
You have a point there. They could have done much more.
Here’s another funny story about NPR from 2000:
“Sergeants from a specialized propaganda unit of the U.S. Army interned on NPR news shows over a nine-month period. . .”
“All of the interns were non-commissioned U.S. Army officers from the 4th Psychological Operations Group based at Ft. Bragg, N.C. PSYOP overtly disseminates information supporting U.S. goals and policy to other countries. . .”
“NPR spokeswoman Jess Sarmiento says the human resources department, including Vice President for Human Resources Kathleen Jackson, knew the interns worked for PSYOP when it hired them . . .”
http://current.org/files/archive-site/rad/rad007psyop.html
Sort of an ongoing pattern, isn’t it?
To satisfy Moana here…
I am a Nazi
There you have it….OMG it feels good
Oh fuck yeh…
anit ssssssssssssssssmite too
OMFG
Of course you are a proud Nazi. You are a Trump supporter.
RONGGG again my dear….
but you know that….
got an idea M…..(if you look closely in the mirror…trump be your man)
You don’t appear to be sober — you earlier said you had rapidly consumed a bottle of wine. I’m interpreting that text as meaning you do not support Donald Trump. Is that correct?
dat be right girl
don’t vote
boycott it
Actually I confess…
I’m a pesto nazi
s’gotta be the right way
Does any one out there think that this nothing but a Donald Trump scam?
This man leads most popular polls and says absolutely nothing and everything,has no political agenda,and all listen to his bull shit and think and expect him to win the office of president?
This has got to be the biggest scam going in politics Iv’e ever seen, and it is being accepted hook,line and sinker! Some one is very smart in what is going on selling these goods or we are blinder than bats!
Every media outlet reports on Donald Trump more than any other news item.
What is wrong with this picture? I am laughing out loud everyday…
“I am laughing out loud everyday…”
This is the best way to look at it.
As Elizabeth said quite awhile ago, “America has forgotten how to blush”.
Sorry, that was meant to be Elizabeth Dole.
The fringe, hooligan, dissident Bernie Sanders is a betrayer of the Democratic Socialist Party.
The hero of Working Families will rack up more People’s delegates from the proletariat tonight, in addition to any pledged ones.
Let me guess; you’re worried about the democrats.
Well that one is more worried about the Illuminati and Luciferian mind-control plots. (Really.) He’s a Trump defender. (Of course.)
Fritzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
moana recoils
Ha! No. Mona giggles.
One of organs, the New York Daily News, burned a U.S. passport and is directing Party members to exile.
_”Make America Migrate“_
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/new-york-daily-news-front-pages-presidential-election-gallery-1.2512941?pmSlide=1.2549788
“One of organs, the New York Daily News, burned a U.S. passport and is directing Party members to exile.”
You need to slow down. Compose yourself.
when the radio crackles
and the in-laws cackle…
Say, about the Fritz Springmeier book you promote, I have a question. Fritz writes:
Do you, also, know about these men — these doctors — performing their satanic coven work at night?
More importantly, what does Donald Trump, the candidate you defend, propose to do about these satanic doctors?!?!
So that’s why Yahoo just stole more of Palestine!
I don’t think Trump has much to worry about re the dems.The HB barely won her home state,and her support is the black vote in former slave states,and of course feminazis.Ohio’s minority vote must of helped,and Soros’s idiots might have too.
It’s not Trump’s worries to which I’m referring, but underscore’s.
As wrong as current policies of “objectivity” are, it’s often helpful to let readers make the final judgements themselves.
Journalists have a duty to tell the truth, cut through misleading rhetoric, lay open the whole stinking mess, and draw whatever parallels are necessary to make the situation clear to readers. None of this is judgement. Judgement is the further step of suggesting what “should” happen, rather than just reporting what is. Judgement is often best left to the reader so they don’t feel they’re being spoon-fed.
Of course this is not a rule, and opinion pieces often include judgements.
All language use is rhetorical. It’s delusional to pretend that some kinds of language used about human activity is “persuasive” while other language used about humans is “neutral.”
Readers can and should make judgments influenced by overtly persuasive language OR (supposedly) neutral language.
But seriously, there is no practical difference.
Donald Trump is inciting violence against minorities all over the nation. His supporters are often vicious and violent. Six (of many) examples are provided here Excerpt:
Nobody has used the phrase “sex kittens” but you Mona.
wishin’ out loud
proud to be insane….
Yes, they have.
And thank goodness for that, because despite what CraigSummers says, I truly do learn something new each time I visit The Intercept.
Yes you have. You linked me to Fritz Springmeier material that included discussions of “Monarch mind-controlled sex kittens,” and you said it was true. You are insane.
You know M…..I’ve had a bottle of wine in the past few minutes…and I and now say that “if you don’t want to be a nice person”
then fuck you
Unfortunately for your credibility, you’d have to show where Fritz Springmeier uses the term.
OMG!11!!!1!! You mean my credibility may be lost of I cannot show all the folks where Fritzzzzz Springmeier uses the term “sex kitten?” Well, YOU linked me to him and all the “mind-controlled sex kitten” crap. You linked me to something like this. Fritzzzz is in the sources on that page (with the pics of lotsa sex kittens!), but I’m not — NOT — going to go read everything written by the crazeeee Fritz Springmeier to quote him specifically on “sex kittens.” [rolling eyes]
Reminding readers again: underscore is an avid Trump defender. Perhaps he can be Trump’s adviser on the Illuminati/Luciferian/mind-control/sex-kitten crisis. Trump would surely be accepting of this, uh, theory.
For the entertainment of viewers at home, you linked us all to Mr. Springmeier’s book, which, among other…novel things, contained this:
This is the process whereby “sex kittens” are produced, or so you and Fritz give us to understand.
You are a Trump defender. Stands to, uh, reason.
Thanks for doing the reading that these chumps post up, Mona, so we don’t have to.
It’s sort of entertaining, when I have nothing better to do.
Note that above this “Sparrow” creature announces that he is a Nazi. He apparently thought this would surprise me. Not at all, he’s a Trump supporter. And he’s previously posted a good deal of antisemitic garbage.
Oh Hi TimN
I’m the creature….sorry we haven’t been introduced properly.
From my recollection,sparrow is a Zionist.
You are wrong yet again. Sparrow is one of the worst antisemites to inflict this comments section. He makes you look like a Judaeophile.
Antisemitism goes hand-in-hand with the Zionist agenda. It’s how they circle the wagons.
I don’t know about that.Some Zionists use naked antisemitism as false flag to demean sites.
I’ve seen “sparrow” somewhere else,and seem to remember a Zionist,but hey Mona no one’s perfect.
And lady,the only thing I’ve been wrong about was Obomba,as I voted for him in 08.My foresight has been almost 20-20,except for that self poke in the eye.
A comprehensive look at the why-for’s and how-come’s of Bernie Sanders affect on the political paradigm.
The rest of the article is here: Trump Sucks.
Sounds like;Vote for Hillary.
Methinks this is in order.
False equivalency in the name of “neutrality” is not the same as following an objective and honest standard of reportage. Already, too many within the modern corporate media attempt to stake out middle ground between the falsely perceived “two sides” of every issue. For one thing, there are not two just sides to any issue with national consequences. Residing in this country alone, there are actually more than 300 million sides to every one of them. And many millions more on a global scale.
Besides, when it comes to the presentation of what a professionally trained journalist believes to fact or truth – as opposed to myth and lies, there need be no neutrality involved at all. Otherwise, the result will be not be a story driven by insight. Instead what will be published is another soulless polemic against the writer’s own sense of reason.
I envision a TV show;The Naked Nation-330,000,000 stories.I see a long run!
Humor from Andy Borowitz at The New Yorker: Sanders Sends Vegan Thugs to Attack Peace-Loving Nazis
HA HA HA! Awesome.
Innit, tho. ;)
Great profile of The Intercept’s editor-in-chief, Betsy Reed. My emphasis, on the bit that shows they’re doing a lot right:
Rest here.
How will the Intercept respond if some nut case attempts an assassination of Trump and tells reporter he was inspired by Intercept and mentions several names including Greenwald’s? I would be interested in seeing what people here think its approach will be. It could range from too bad he missed to nothing we print is inflammatory.
…………
Reality check.
Journalists should never let their personal biases affect their judgement on any matter.
This is not the same as “Journalists shouldn’t make any judgements at all.”
In fact, they SHOULD make judgements, it is their job.
Just that those judgements should be fair, unbiased and based on a sound ethical code.
How this has been twisted into “they should have no opinions” is baffling, and disappointing.
That is IMHO quite easily understood.
There is no such thing as an unbiased person. I’d say that the whole process of learning is just one giant biasing operation.
There is nothing wrong with that, however. The problem comes when people think that it is possible to “un-bias” somebody by imposing restrictions, as mentioned in the article.
I don’t have to be a Trump supporter to enjoy the panic and angst being displayed by those who prop up the status quo whatever political flavor they may be selling.
Donald Trump is riding a historical inflection point emanating from the massive corruption and serial lying displayed by our Ruling Class and their political minions for decades. Some people thought Bernie Sanders could lead this reckoning from the pseudo Left but he is mostly talking points and ‘lets be Europeans’ which is not going to sell to well in the heartland.
Trump is the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly all rolled into one and that is what Amerika is and always has been and so long as he represents the promise of destroying the truly Bad and Ugly Leadership Class he may prevail with growing support.
The Trump story in all of its facets is the most important political story since 1968. The Trump story will have a conclusion, unknown right now. “Traditional” journalism might well live or die based on its ability (so far not seen) to tell that story accurately and honestly. And “objectivity” and “balance” are death to that particular process at this particular time.
The American working-class has been decimated over the last 40 years – and denigrated by the types who inhabit this site as ‘uneducated low-life racists” for longer than that. You’re damned right they are sick of being ignored and thought of as only a ‘business expense’ when it comes to moving their jobs out of this country.
Of course the well-educated lawyers here will never feel that pain, or know how to even begin to empathize with them…
Good time for a subject change.
Let’s hear some more about “Trump Vs. Zionism” or how we should entrust the government to a successful businessman, because those successful businessmen really know how to make stuff happen
(what stuff? well, probably not stuff to the benefit of the “American working-class [that] has been decimated” — but this populist bit is very funny coming from the so-called Lin Ming, anyway)
Are making a prejudiced assumption about me based upon my name?
You fucking hypocrite…
…and using ‘populist’ as thought it is something to be ashamed of perfectly proves my point, you fucking elitist hypocrite. Thank you.
oh like that’s your real name
come on Vic my bother….
why do you question Lin Ming’s name? WTF?
Be nice!
Defending the status quo is an exercise in stupidity.
Hopefully for US,it will be Trump vs Zionism,Americas bane.
Stay tuned.
So the solution is to vote for a lying, racist, steak-oil salesman?
Makes sense!!
To overturn the US establishment there are only 2 electoral choices, aren’t there? Those who still have residual cold-war fears about “socialism” and those who don’t believe in social justice will go for Trump. It’s completely understandable actually, and it’s a political phenomenon that should not be ignored.
Not sure how this is relevant to the current discussion.
For the sake of conversation, I will accede, yes. But so what? After all, isn’t Bernie Sanders’ success proof that it isn’t as simple as blue v red? He is not “establishment” yet is making considerable waves. Hillary is much more “establishment,” yet Sanders and Hillary compete under the banner of “Democrat.”
If anything, unlimited SuperPAC spending has enabled more candidates to exist outside of the traditional power structures. The RNC could hate your guts but if you have a billionaire sugar-daddy, you can remain relevant. Trump is an outlier in that he grabs media attention not by GOP support or paid ads but by being utterly outlandish and luring the media to him. “Trump insulted the person with a disability, point the camera that way!” “Breaking News: trump said Mexico would build his wall!” “OMG – Trump talked about his dick!”
If Trump gets ditched by the Republican Party and runs as an Independent, he could still “overturn the establishment” with a victory. Ross Perot managed to get 19% of the vote in 1992 as an Independent, despite having the personality of a brick.
Voting will not overturn the US establishment. I think that your dreaming if you believe that,
Social justice?Isn’t that in the eye of the beholder?
Who arbitrates social justice?The unsocial Zionists.What a hoot!They stole another few square kilometers today,btw.
You and Vic have adjoining cubicles at Hasbara HQ?
Your heart-throb hero Trump was caught kissing Netanyahu’s rear, Lin Ming.
How to compensate?
Hopefully in a year yahoo will be kissing trumps butt.
Does it take propaganda to discredit Trump!?
Hardly.
Lin, you are feeling ganged up on. I sympathize for your plight.
So let me throw you a bone. Let us have a conversation of how Trump would improve our country in a couple areas. I challenge you to pick 2 topics (e.g health care, the economy, taxes, foreign affairs, national security, entitlements, presidential power, et al) and make your case of why Trump would lead in this area. Please link to Trump’s policy proposals to help guide the discussion.
Good luck!
When they start talking entitlements you know they are scumbags.
I don’t link,but Trump has repeatedly been strong on SS,Yankee come home,that Obombacare sucks,that trade steals have destroyed our economy,that national security trumps Zion and divide and conquer,and that he will be a strong POTUS,instead of the shrinking violet gumby we have now,that succumbs to any outside pressure.
I say we all BOYCOTT THE ELECTIONS AND HAVE ONE OF THESE….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3webCbfimlU
with you man…
awesome Sparrow and Lin Ming,
so you two are totally on board with Trump, an alleged American businessman, trying to get Netanyahu, the most rabid Zionist in the world, re-elected.
Right? Because it’s been TOTES SILENCE on that subject since I brought it up a few hours ago.
I presume all that talk about bad “Zionists” was a lot of hooey, correct?
Hang loose Vic….
I’m for BOYCOTT
Until all these fuckin’ liars and deceivers can get a clue that it’s time to SHUT THE FUCK UP. I’m with Lin because he has the understanding for the working class. And I am too also sick of this bloated high browed lawyer BS.
Get a fuckin’ bottle of wine…listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwg0J_eT4n8
and forget these bastards and whores.
BOYCOTT ELECTIONS…
yeah whatever lazyboy
whatever brother….
it’s not lazy. it’s fuckin’ time the US government gets a kick in the ass, lose their paycheck, and know what it is tryin’ to live a fair life. FUCK EM.
nEtanwhoever is a rabid zionist for sure…that is why I proclaim a BOYCOTT because there is NO running candidate or is cannibalate…whatever….who is bowing to AIPAC.
Fuck you AIPAC…If I were POTUS…I would kick your ass to the sea.
Valuable voting advice from a wastoid who apparently doesn’t know who Netanyahu is.
waaaah duuuuuude
Sadly I do know who he is. Sure would like to kick his ass.
Can you please define wastoid?
Funny,yahoo was running against even more wacky Zionists than he was he not?And even Labor are monsters,so give it a rest.
Damn, you are confused.
In the peculiar world of Trump-supporting Intercept readers (a rare breed such as polka-dotted Zebras), such a thing could never have happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm5Je73bYOY
“I’m a big fan of Israel” —- like, I have all their albums and a poster of them over my bed and I even got their autograph
“and you truly have a great prime minister in Benjamin Netanyahu”
“he’s a winner, he’s respected, and he’s highly thought of by all…terrific guy, terrific leader” — the usual deep character & policy analysis we can expect from Donald Trump
Um, yeah soooooooooooooooo……what was this about how Trump was going to be standing up to Israel?
Who the fuck made Trump go out of his way to advertise for Netanyahu in 2013— did Trump endorse other candidates in foreign elections? I doubt it.
The Netanyahu ad is like Hillary’s speeches to Wall Street — except that we can actually see it.
It’s laughable that any of you people constantly whining about Zionism — Lin Ming, dahoit, S*O*C*K, whoever — can simultaneously act like Trump would actually DO something non-Zionist while contemplating this advertisement.
Don’t disappoint me, I know your powers of cognitive dissonance can put you in two places at once physically. Let’s see your super powers.
I weep for Lin Ming. Oh what have I done. How will Lin Ming process that video endorsement of Netanyahu that Trump gratuitously made in 2013, considering this post:
“Lin Ming ? photosymbiosis
Mar. 15 2016, 12:23 p.m.
NPR is a pro-Zionist outlet run by pro-Zionists, specializing in “News for Jews”.
What else would you expect?”
I know – how does “Zionist” fit in with NPR’s other pay-to-play new coverage?
How does someone get that, from this?
“NPR is just a blatantly dishonest news outfit; their stories are heavily spun to please their sponsors, be it the federal government or the private foundations or the corporate-sponsored ‘non-profits’ that fund them.”
“Consider their glowing coverage of “Saudi women voting” fairly recently – endless drivel about Saudi women getting the right to vote in Saudi Arabia, “for the first time” – without mentioning that they still can’t drive cars, or that the country is an authoritarian dictatorship and they were voting for nothing at all, no more significant than gaining the right to vote in a local beauty pageant? At the same time, zero coverage of the Saudis using American-made cluster bombs to kill civilians in Yemen, in violation of U.S. weapons export laws. How much did the Saudis pay for that coverage, through a cut-out foundation? Or was that the U.S. State Department?”
Last time I checked, the Saudis were generally not “Zionist” in outlook. . .
Holy sh*t.The Zionists totally support the Saudis,it is evident from the missing 28 pages,their blackout of Saudi or GS involvement in Yemen,Iraq,libya and syria,and the absolute iron dome of protection since the day that changed everything.
Definite hasbarist.sheesh.serial liar.
With all the people on the left, there’s got to be some kooks. And that’s kooky.
Every pol in america caters to the Zionists.They own the MSM which defines them as candidates.So trump was just being realistic,but it still doesn’t help him with them,as he said he would be neutral,a most unappealing stance for the monsters.
You throw around the term “hasbarist” at other commentators and then try to excuse Trump’s gratuitous video endorsement of Netanyahu with, eh, everybody does it?
I mean, everybody DOESN’T do it. Americans making fucking ads for Netanyahu. No everybody doesn’t do that.
You are a tool, you don’t get to call anybody a Zionist anymore, since you obviously wanna play games when it’s pointed out that Trump has gone out of his way to support the biggest Zionist asshole on the planet.
WOW. What a JOKE. Glenn Greenwald thinks there is a problem with “journalistic ‘neutrality'”? When on Earth, at least in the past 30+ years, has the USA had”journalistic ‘neutrality'”? Is that some type of joke or sarcasm? Certainly the full court bias and persecution of Donald Trump as well as similar treatment for Bernie Sanders, has shown one thing to the Working Class needs to find a new source of information. Because the Elitist and Establishment Media are a total failure. I expect more media sources to become developed by volunteers using blogs and Twitter, and an increasing pull away from the Elitist and Establishment Media sources. This has already been aggressively happening for 15 years, the debacle with the biased media in the 2016 campaign is only going to accelerate that process.
If you missed the fact that the article is about faux neutrality, I can’t imagine there’s much we can do to help you out here.
What they are cooking up in the labs lately can barely slither over to the comments section, much less make a coherent rhetorical point.
Yeah, it’s one thing that people pick up the news paper and skim it or even just read the headlines, and then move on to the next issue convinced that they’ve actually read and comprehended something. But to come to a website such as this one and just hit the headline and then jump into comments making an ass of themselves because they had failed to comprehend the article just from reading the headline, well, why in hell do people do that?
oh fuck kitt…
remember we are stupid. fuckin’ stupid compared to you. sick of elitist fuckin BS….yes that is BS as in Bernie S. and bull shit. perhaps you would win some of us dumb shits if you weren’t so fuckin full of yourselves. We can’t read or write….we are so fuckin dumb.
What I took was that GG was saying that the MSM was feigning neutrality,and backing Trump,despite his alleged massive flaws.
Neutral MSM?hahahahahaha.They are Israel all the way!
Donald Trump 2016!
#MakeAmericaGreatAgain
The thing is, also – Trump is a proven success story with actual accomplishments, while Hillary and Bernie have just ranted-on for years…
It’s going to be interesting, assuming it’s a contest between the two frontrunners…will Democrats come out to oppose Trump? Or will Clinton put Democrats to sleep? Will Clinton be the perfect establishment punching bag for Trump? Or will the rest of the Republicans abandon Trump and his butler to lose all on their own?
I’ve never been that interested in what probably would happen, It’s not a horse race I’m betting on….I’m more interested in what should happen, what I’d like to see happen. Lot’s of Trump supporters are wanting to see change (real change, not Obama’s kind). Lots of Sanders supporters want the same thing. Are there enough that care to bother voting? We’ll see. I’m continuously surprised by what Americans put up with, the terrible schools, the unaffordable medical care, the disappearing jobs, the constant war…
Presumably at some point, something will relieve the pressure, I’m not sure it will happen this year. Until then, America is an experiment in seeing what happens when you leave your congress set to “corrupt” indefinitely, let the president stay on a permanent war footing, appoint torture advocates to the supreme court and turn the free press into corporate public relations.
Please, enlighten us on how Trump’s “accomplishments” will translate to effectively running the US government.
Last time I checked:
Sanders: decades of governing experience.
Clinton: decades of governing and executive branch experience
Trump: no governing experience.
ah, the old “America should be run like a business, so elect a businessman” bit.
It’s OLD. It’s BULLSHIT.
It’s how we got privatized everything. It’s a scam.
WTF did Trump have to do with that?It is a dem rep collusion project for campaign funds,privatization.
You are terrible at propaganda,too transparent.
Oh, oh, just as you think Bernie Sanders is sincere in his support for the same policies he’s been espousing for decades…
…Time magazine has revealed the ugly truth, for all his years as a mayor, as a congressman, as a senator…Bernie Sanders will receive (sharp intake of air) …a…pension!!!!!
Who says investigative reporting is dead!!!
He has a pension after decades of work?! I’m convinced, I’m voting for multimillionaire Clinton, she’s independently wealthy, the way I’d like to be. After I vote for her, she’ll lend me thirty million dollars and I’ll be the next Trump. Then we’ll deal with all these pension scams that Sanders has set up. Did Sanders really think he could hide his pension from Time magazine!!!
You see, you all thought that Sanders was fighting for the middle class, when he’s just out for himself and his own stinking pension!!!….that is why our leaders should always come from super rich. Sure they work against the interests of the poor and middle class, but at least when they are taking away workers’ pensions, we know it’s coming from a place of excessive greed and corruption.
So he was to refuse his senatorial job in order to not get the good pension and wage associated with it.. is it democracy according to you or Locke?? haha LMAO
And we don’t know what he will do with that money. Take Jose Mujica, another old ex-communist (and even ex-gerillero) who came to power: He gave 90% of his presidential wage to the charity he used to work for. And his total household assets are estimated at 300k (mostly made of his farm, his tractor and his old car). Sanders is no different: he believes in his political revolution and he’s not going to betray that for petty money.
Some questions that Glenn didn’t consider, when forming his hypothesis.
1. Who is the typical Trump supporter?
Male, less formal education, low-income. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/15/who-really-supports-donald-trump-ted-cruz-ben-carson-marco-rubio-and-jeb-bush-in-5-charts/
Those who feel powerless and voiceless. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/who-are-donald-trumps-supporters-really/471714/
Prone to embrace an “outsider.”
Nostalgic and “wistful for the 1950s.” http://billmoyers.com/story/so-who-are-donald-trumps-voters/
Value strength and “willing to tell it how it is.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/24/morning-plum-heres-why-donald-trumps-lies-dont-matter-hes-strong/
2. Are Trump supporters influenced by the NYT, WP, NPR and other “Corporate journalism” outlets as Glenn calls them?
HELL NO! Greg Sargent, one of those corporatist goons (/s) from the WP says it best: Trump regularly claims to have “sources” that are better than those of the media lemmings who are questioning him. But the key point here is that it doesn’t matter whether invoking his own sources actually justifies his claims. Rather, doing that has the more important larger effect of signaling that the details are unimportant, that the larger story he’s telling is what really matters, and that the corrupt national media is trying to suppress that story. The press corps is complicit in American decline. Of course they will do all they can to prevent Trump from “making America great again.”
Trump supporters are not influenced by NPR with its light instrumentation and soothing voices. They believe in Trump, and that their view of his supposed strength transcends the information and “facts” peddled by the lying and plotting media. They reject news that paints Trump in a negative light. They don’t give a shit about fact-checking. If they did care, they’d see that 80% of his statements rated on Politifact.com fall into the False spectrum (mostly false, false, pants on fire). They’d be disgusted by the cherry on the top – receiving the Lie of the Year. Yet they don’t seem to mind and despite the lies, his support inexplicably increases.
3. Would Glenn’s type of advocacy journalism get through to a Trump supporter?
No. Glenn’s solution is for journalists reporting the news to act more opinionated, more outraged, to stop pretending they don’t hate Trump and everything he stands for. The theory goes that we don’t need more vanilla information and stenographers, who paint all information in a neutral tone, but need to betold like it is!
In Glenn’s mind, a dispassionate piece containing Trump’s words and actions won’t paint the same picture as if you are explicitly call Trump being the second coming of Mussolini. It doesn’t matter that Trump’s words require no translation; that they are explicit in their venomous nature and don’t require analysis to divine some hidden importance. Trump saying he will commit war crimes against ISIL families doesn’t require a Glenn Greenwald piece on hidden subtexts.
But Trump supporters already dismissed these subtle media entities as being unfair, so why would they trust and embrace the words of someone like Glenn, who aggressively assaults their guy!? . This only makes them more intransigent and acts as further proof of the media bias against poor ol’ Trump.
The takeaway here: you are not dealing with rational individuals!!
You can paint a damning picture while striving for objectivity. It may be harder than writing a hyperbolic, click-bait title of an article but it has and can still be done. Look at Going Clear by Lawrence Wright. He journalistically crushed the Church of Scientology with just hard facts and dogged analysis. It can be done, but you also must have an audience willing to read the damn thing.
Furthermore, I don’t see many TI pieces on Trump offering anything more than what’s been reported in the mainstream. Zaid Jilani’s work especially, is just run of the mill click-bait, as if discrediting Trump really needs such tactics.
That’s right, just keep on insulting the intelligence and judgement of Trump and his supporters, and I’m sure they’ll eventually see the light…
Yep, they’ve earned the scorn and ridicule.
This is no longer a matter of hoping “they see the light.” When you’re talking about people who are immune to facts, ignorant or cynical of news, and willing to asssault those in disagreement, you don’t hold their hands and sing Kumbaya.
You accept that you cannot save them all and vote for a President that emphases education (Bernie helping everybody go to college, despite its questionable political and financial obstacles, would be a great ideal to strive for) and civility. You accept that we may have to wait for these old white folks to get to the Gates of Heaven, which of course we’re built at the request of Trump and paid for by God himself.
“When you’re talking about people who are immune to facts, ignorant or cynical of news, and willing to asssault those in disagreement, you don’t hold their hands and sing Kumbaya.”
Lol I thought you were referring to Greenwald and his supporters.
Greenwald does not blame adults for willingly taking their own decision. The media is responsible for Trump’s success, not the ones who willingly decide to support him. Those who follow the Islamic ideology are not responsible for the hate of Charlie Hebdo. CH offensive cartoons are the source of the problem. I am still waiting for his explanation of ISIS/Al Qaeda/ Taliban hate of Shia Muslims.
I don’t think Trump supporters should be dismissed as ignorant or stupid. Surely, some of them are probably horrendous people, but I don’t think that can be generalized. They see Trump as someone who can transcend the corruption of the establishment (which I don’t believe is true, but that’s beside the point.) In short, the concerns of Trump supporters should be acknowledged as valid, and they should be engaged rationally.
The fact that they aren’t dismayed by his racism is not that surprising. Racism is common. I’m sure everyone has racist friends and relatives.
The “‘corruption'” of the establishment” as a phrase is meaningless. It is a platitude that can be repeated ad nauseam by anyone with a pulse, without facing intellectual resistance because it’s ambiguity renders it impossible to argue and rebut.
But let’s entertain the claim, that Trump is a “post-corruption politician.” What specifically is the corrupted area for which Trump would fly in and save the day? He cannot answer that because he lacks vision and doesn’t understand policy to save his life. His rhetoric is an inch deep: make Mexico pay for a wall, end Obamacare and replace it with “something great,” (paraphrasing here), end the EPA and Education Dept. it’s all nonsense.
If we are going to redefine commonly accepted terms then I’ll say he is “intellectually corrupt” with his lies and attacks.
I also do not believe that “Trump can transcend the corruption of the establishment” The cancer is too deep rooted and Trump is establishment, and also part of the disease. The US public believed that Obama was the new messiah, and that he would deliver social hope and justice, a better and fairer America for all. Obama betrayed the trust, and faith which people invested in him, and it rapidly became horribly apparent that he would serve only the agenda of the elite, and their powerful Global corporations, and financial institutions. Obama got in on a false ticket, just as Tony Blair did in theUK, and Trump will turn out exactly the same, and the public may then finally realize that democracy is a sham, and that voting will not transcend the corruption in the establishment. Capitalism is also an unsustainable, failing system, and as long as greed and materialism remains as the main focus in people’s minds America will not become a better place.
So, we go the communist dictatorship route then. That’s never been tried before.
All human beings have racist tendencies.It is our makeup.We are not robots.
The Zionists are the worst racists in this world,but in America they are genuflected to.They make the KKK choirboys.
Unbelievable,the hypocrisy.
Zionist hubris.That is all Nate is,and about.
When you punch above your own weight class long enough,dementia takes hold.
Ooh, a “Zionist” — I saw one of those the other day, dahoit, didn’t talk much like Nate though.
Weirdest thing, it was an American who made a campaign ad for an Israeli politician.
Name the pol who doesn’t cater to Israel?At least one who gets reelected?
Cheap shot.
Sparrow,my abject and sincere apologies if I pegged you wrong.No good and honest human wants the tag,Zionist.
ZioBS.The Zioparty already murders innocent family members of terrorists,has made the MSM a twilight zone of the outer limits,including NPR,very few Trump supporters(at this time at least)are religious nuts,and yes,I usually find GG quite logical and informative,just not now.
I think he’s out of touch with American patriots,and has little care for that concept.That’s ok,its a free country.Still.Maybe.
And what is reported in the MSM about Trump is hyperbolic hate for him and his campaign.As is this site,lately.
NPR is just a blatantly dishonest news outfit; their stories are heavily spun to please their sponsors, be it the federal government or the private foundations or the corporate-sponsored ‘non-profits’ that fund them.
Consider their glowing coverage of “Saudi women voting” fairly recently – endless drivel about Saudi women getting the right to vote in Saudi Arabia, “for the first time” – without mentioning that they still can’t drive cars, or that the country is an authoritarian dictatorship and they were voting for nothing at all, no more significant than gaining the right to vote in a local beauty pageant? At the same time, zero coverage of the Saudis using American-made cluster bombs to kill civilians in Yemen, in violation of U.S. weapons export laws. How much did the Saudis pay for that coverage, through a cut-out foundation? Or was that the U.S. State Department?
There are dozens of other examples, one outstanding one being their relationship with “America’s Natural Gas Alliance”, an industry lobbying group that got NPR to run stories about how natural gas combustion was “good for the climate” – it’s a fossil fuel, when you burn it you get fossil CO2, and that’s what drives global warming. Nevertheless, NPR then ran about a dozen stories on the ‘benefits of natural gas’ – nothing about how investor-owned utilities across the country were refusing to build solar and wind plants, and instead were trying to build more climate-destabilizing fossil fuel plants.
What did the NPR PR office’s Elizabeth Jensen have to say about this?
“I don’t see any evidence that the ANGA underwriting has compromised NPR’s reporting. As has been noted by ombudsmen before me there is a ‘firewall’ that separates the fundraising and editorial sides of the organization. . . ”
Who in their right mind swallows that line? Is there a ‘firewall’ between a politician’s votes in Congress and their source of campaign finance money? What poor fool would ever believe that?
Democracy relies on an independent free press to deliver reliable facts to public that they can use to make decisions – but what you have now is this country is mostly corporate-controlled dishonest propaganda, driven by corporate consolidation and control of media outlets across the entire liberal-conservative spectrum.
NPR is a pro-Zionist outlet run by pro-Zionists, specializing in “News for Jews”.
What else would you expect?
You fit in around here more than youself or others would probably be willing to admit.
One man’s “corporatist media,” is another man’s “liberal-elite media,” is another man’s Jew-conspiratorial media.”
Whatever it takes to not have to read the actual article and take the path of least intellectual resistance.
Ah, they spin the news stories to whoever gives them grants, it looks like. So if a private foundation run by Sheldon Adelson gives them money, they bring on ‘experts’ from Israeli-financed Washington think tank.
But if a Saudi-financed (i.e. not Zionist) foundation gives them money, they run stories about ‘the new rights women in Saudi Arabia have’.
And if a fossil fuel association gives them money (again, non-Zionist) they run pro-fossil fuels stories on their behalf.
It’s just sleazy payola for the highest bidder.
There you go again,making assertions that are untrue.Saudis and Israel are tied at the hip,as the SA oil backs the zionist banksters.
The true axis of evil.
And the banksters launder the billions from heroin; grown in Afghanistan and processed in Pakistan.
NPR gets to invect with their choice of questions. On Point’s Tom Ashbrook was given to shrieking “But it’s FREE TRADE” when a caller was describing his personal account of the destructiveness of NAFTA less than a week ago.
Tom’s follow up question was “What’s wrong with FREE TRADE?, Don’t you understand FREE TRADE?”.
Of the many many examples that show how false this claim by conventional journalists about their objectivity is, I present the much-circulated twitter posts about Bernie Sanders by WaPo.
For example:
“Here’s something Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders have in common.”
“Bernie Sanders’s two big lies about the global economy.”
“This is huge: Trump and Sanders both using same catchphrase.”
“Clinton is running for president. Sanders is doing something else.”
“And the most partisan Senator of 2015 is–Bernie Sanders!”
“An awkward reality for Sanders: A strategy focused on whiter states.”
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/707022118819655680
This article is pure rubbish Greenwald, and you know it. Blaming Trumpp for the violence caused by Soros funded Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street and MoveOn.org is like blaming firefighters for the fire they put out.
The Soros funded thugs, I mean protestors, didn’t just prevent a peaceful gathering of voters to hear from their candidate, they also wreaked havoc outside the stadium:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/14/chicago-cop-blog-says-that-protests-at-weekend-trump-rally-far-worse-than-reported/
Don’ t you think it’s time you tried some objectivity in your reporting, Greenwald, instead of just spreading LSM lies that no one but you and your echo chamber actually believe?
These Trump supporters using breibert as their source. lol Did you hear a breibert reporter got assaulted by a trump supporter?
I hadn’t actually paid any attention to Breitbart until that happened. Just by scanning the headlines it takes about thirty seconds to properly assess what role they play in the media ecosystem.
I don’t want to diminish the seriousness of violence, especially towards women, but it is difficult to have sympathy for these “journalists” who would work at a job like Breitbart, only to have their own site turn against them. Is their no honour among thieves??? Beats flipping burgers I guess.
Is it possible the reporter is full of sh*t?Sounds like Breitbart was unhappy with her non neutrality re Trump,and thought it corrupted her reportage.
A very very common affliction today,prejudice.Heehee.
Not one of these Trump supporters who show up on The Intercept with various brand new names mentions or explains the violence-endorsing quotes that come right out of his mouth. You would think video didn’t exist.
Take it to the Yahoo News comments you freaks.
I don’t and won’t include BLM with these activists supported and directed by the Big Liberal elites, they have their own agendas and some demonstrators only claim to represent them. Individuals and small groups demonstrating at Trump rally’s is normal in our politics but with strong emotions being displayed some rough treatment is to be expected. When large groups attempt to shut down these political meetings something else is happening and it’s not displays of First Amendment rights.
I don’t read Breitbart and only used Soros as a representative of Big Liberal activism and manipulation that doesn’t seem capable of demonstrating against a known racist authoritarian, lock up the young predators, Clinton.
It’s refreshing to see that Glenn can write a humorous post about the handwringing over our Media and its supposed purpose in our society.
This faux serious screed does highlight the panic that is spreading through elite political guru circles caused by the rise of The Donald and what it could mean for the future of those unneeded and unwanted manufacturers of consent.
The Soros’ and other factions are organizing their rube followers to produce some real violence at Trump events and seem to be predicting and hoping for martyrs for their cause.
Lamblike Trump Followers Saddened By Mean World
Isn’t it hypocritical of the journalist who criticized Roberts to express his personal opinion that Roberts should not have expressed her personal opinion?
After all, it’s not news, it’s his opinion about an event!
Let’s get this straight…The rest of the planet is watching the presidential election.. not because they are interested… but because they are terrified.
All other issues we discuss aren’t that important.. because of that. I can’t remember when “America was great”. Or even “right”. Most people can’t. Can you, can any of us? Is it any wonder then what the world would really like is for the U.S. to stay home, deal with it’s domestic problems, and stop stomping around the globe. With guns blazing, and a misguided sense of manifest destiny. That is how America could set an example. Everything else is a distraction.
The Neocons and Neoliberals almost hoaxed Obama into bombing Syria. They did manage to destroy Libya and Ukraine. Trump says he will finish of ISIS then concentrate on rebuilding America.
I’m OK with that.
Two gangs. The Bloods – red. The Crips – blue. Two political parties. The Democrats – red, Republicans – blue. I’m saying..to the rest of the world.. there is an analogy. Which gang will take over the neighborhood? That is.. The United States. Because it doesn’t actually matter which gang takes over. Does it? It will still be dangerous.
And who could oppose that?Only those who are behind IsUS and the destabilization and destruction of America.Hmmmmm…..
These knuckleheads can’t see the forest for the trees.
Zionists pushing concern troll buttons,and they fall for it.
Why TF does the rest of the world emigrate to America?To lessen themselves?I guess they believe our press clippings lately,but we used to be kind of great(not completely great!),at least compared to the rest of the world.
– ‘The rest of the planet is watching the presidential election.. not because they are interested… but because they are terrified.”
I really don’t see that. I don’t see people around the world terrified of Trump. Certain people are in special cases. Stock traders might worry that Trump will cause a new level of uncertainty, generally anybody with a vested interest in the status quo is going to have to adapt to Trump because he is, the epitome of unpredictable. He has no record of any type of public service and has a penchant for using shock tactics to gain popularity.
Around the world, the general public, what can you say, on a superficial level, after Bush, anyone who knew how to use a knife and fork was a breath of fresh air, and Obama excelled at rebranding the status quo with his cosmopolitan, intelligent, friendly demeanor. The US president’s cadre of advisors and generals will, I’m sure do their best to potty train Trump, as they did with previous presidents.
Other than that, not having any idea what Trump would actually do, it’s hard to predict, he’s going to kick the ass of ISIS apparently, maybe America will bomb the Middle East again, it’s really nothing that hasn’t already been done.
“Obama excelled at rebranding the status quo with his cosmopolitan, intelligent, friendly demeanor.”
Oh boy, that is the most laughable line I’ve read all morning, and I’ll bet you wrote in all seriousness. Obama is a fascist moron who only got passing grades because he was a token black at Harvard. If he’d had good grades without racist policies he would have released his transcripts.
First it was the birth certificate, and now it’s school transcripts. Welcome to post racial America.
Bush left America very unpopular:
Obama is much more popular
The world’s Ziomsm is the one spreading the terrified,racist and crazy meme,not the people.Onlky morons would believe them at this point.
The Graun,as with now the Indy,are the forefront of the UK fearmongering BS.
Naked hypocrisy and BS,and they wonder why their stinking news sites are dying.
Wow, 2.2 million prisoners…including the innocent ones Clinton wants put to death:
There’s more work for Clinton to do, if elected, while America is number one, and way ahead on incarceration rates, she’s only number six in terms of executions, trailing behind Saudi Arabia.
It’s tempting to mock the “sorcery” thing isn’t it? But a country whose best idea to stop a ridiculously high gun violence rate is to teach children how to attack a school shooter with pencils and markers, isn’t really in a good position to mock is it?
“we start throwing stuff… And then we escape”
Actually that sounds like the Clinton foreign policy plans for Libya and Syria.
The Koch bros. have been putting their considerable resources behind criminal justice reform.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/01/25/new-koch
But the superficial minded progressive-left hates the Kochs, because they’be been told to by shrill moonbats (even though they originally funded Democrats years ago and still contribute to them).
Obama originally wanted to jail ACA 2010 mandate resisters.
Oh, now look my dear, you entirely lack a license to use terms like that. You’ve spent years flooding this comments section with unusual…material about Satanic mind-control that produces enslaved “sex kittens,” and the various “occult” powers threatening us all — frequently delivered from by a Jewish Russian Orthodox christian monk who’s off his rocker.
But as I say, that you are a fierce Trump defender is not at all surprising. You are exactly the sort of critical thinker one would expect to find in his ranks.
Split personalities occur naturally in nature. People noticed this and developed techniques to create multiple personalities. The methods they used are, more or less, properly described as evil or black magic. The CIA eventually researched these techniques and developed programs to create multiple personalities.
It comes out in popular culture form in movies like “The Bourne Identity”, “Raising Cain” and the TV series “My Own Worst Enemy.” Even Harry Potter’s Hoarcrux plot device is based this idea.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105217/
I see.
So, um, you think there’s something to this “mind-controlled sex kitten” thing?
Probably. But it comes out in garbled form. These things are deep, deep black. All you are left with are bits and pieces to put together. Especially if someone has had their head scrambled.
Jason Bourne wasn’t exactly a sex kitten.
Mona, I think you meant uncritical thinker. The disruption of Trump’s rallies is mistaken. It only gives him creds. We are viewing the sorry spectacle of a demagogic candidate from the right and a very disenchanted progressive voting block which will have no where to go when Sanders succumbs and, as promised, supports Hillary. Perhaps the Green Party can take advantage of this sorry mess and make some headway.
I don’t see the problem of an issue such as sentencing reform being hijacked by hundreds of millions of dollars from a couple billionaires with vested interests of their own, do you?
Are the Koch brothers, in their heart of hearts concerned, as libertarians, about mass incarceration? We’ll never know as long as public policy comes down to nothing more than a tug of war between the private prison industry and the Koch polluters over “sentencing reform”. It’s a battle over who can be the most successful at profiting from a corrupt congress.
You might want to find out more about your Kocks. Check out Jane Mayer’s book Dark Money and also look into the Kocks’ attempt to smear her to prevent the facts from being exposed.
I agree that journalists are magical and they should be able to say everything and express whatever views they may happen to hold for as long as they are not: sexist, racist, nazi, anti-semitic, anti-gay, anti-global-warmist, anti-diversitist, birtherist, trutherist, anti-evolutionist, flat-eartherist, anti-statist or pro-North Korean. By the way, I have no doubt that Mr. Greenwald would support a journalist’s right to embrace any of the above positions which is why I so totally admire him but he’s such an extremist outlier :).
In the case of Donald who, apparently, feels that he can say whatever he wants to say just because he’s rich, this is scary because he is not a journalist so he can’t just say things because that’s what he wants to say. We should all find this to be ‘scary’ and we should be horrified because some of the things he says most people won’t say even while locked up inside their own homes with nobody around because you never know who or what might be listening.
So, let’s make sure that it’s not Donald in the WH but let’s elect instead someone who talks ‘nice’ and then goes ahead and murders people by the millions. Remember DoubleCrap’s ‘armies of compassion’ and his promise of a ‘humble’ foreign policy? Or Hillary’s constantly feeling everyone’s pains as she was a major contributing factor in the destruction of places such as Libya? Or her husband lovingly bombing the craps out of Yugoslavia? Now THAT’s the kind of mainstream, ‘good’ politician we would like to see in the WH because we’ve had them in the past and it was so good.
I am wondering, if Donald turned up president 8 years ago instead of O’Bomba and his chaos harpies, would a country like Libya still stay as the place with the highest standard of living in all of Africa? Would Yemen still be devastated? Syria less of a wasteland? Would we still have these troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Germany, Japan, the Philippines? Would Ukraine be a normal country with Crimea as one of its provinces? Would Egypt have to suffer today’s bloody dictator?
One thing I know for sure, if Trump ended up the US prez in 2008 he would not have been awarded the Nobel Peace prize because O’Bomba is a true man of peace while Trump is scary. So anyone who is not Trump should be our next president because we cannot stop the ongoing peace processes.
Perhaps Lockhead Martin or the US military could even name a bomb “the Obomba bomb ” It certainly has a nice ring to it, and sounds African, so it’s fitting for the latest humanitarian bombing campaign.To name a bomb after President Obomba would be a fitting tribute for a man that has done so much to expand the ongoing peace process. Forget that bust celebrating Cheney’s achievements – Obomba is the man !
I’m not saying you are wrong about all that, but here is the thing. The Corporate Media narrative on all those issues is about 180 degrees in the opposite direction of what the truth appears to be. The Power Elite’s ability to get away with these atrocities and worse, is related to the propaganda narrative the Corporate Media puts out. Basically, a fig leaf painted over their imperialist policies or like painting a smiley face on a cruise missile.
Glen’s article is about whether journalists should abandon their journalistic integrity and objectivity for the noble and worthwhile cause of stopping Trump. Is it the Media’s job to stop Trump or to tell us the truth? Should the Media decide for us who our leaders should be? Is that Democracy? Which begs the question, why isn’t accurate, factual reporting enough to stop Trump?
Getting back to your mini-screed, we can’t get factual data from the media, they are too busy giving us their opinions. For example, I’d like to see a list of Congressmen who are supporting TPP and those opposed. I’d like to see it BEFORE the election so I can make an informed decision. But they are too busy hating on Trump to actually, you know, report the news or the facts.
If the Media did its job properly we wouldn’t be in this position to begin with. America would be a vibrant and wonderful country full of hope and optimism and Trump probably wouldn’t even be running.
Well… of course you or ‘we’ CAN get factual data but we won’t because we’re busy doing other things. Se ‘we’ rely on today’s version of ‘the Greatest Show on Earth’, aka ‘a little bit of bread and plenty of circuses’ and we call it ‘the media’.
But let’s assume that ‘we’ who are horrified of Trump and Trumpism are successful and we do stop him and everybody from the Billy Krystol/Netaniahu faction to the New Black Panthers and the Creeps(tm) is happy. Then… what? Hillary? Rubio? Cruz? And, no, there won’t be no Bernie in the WH. Not when Hillary can somehow win 6 out 6 coin tosses at the Iowa caucuses.
The thing about non-objective media coverage is that it allows people to put whatever spin they want on things. People keep saying that Trump’s supporters are racist, but maybe they aren’t. Maybe they just want their middle-class jobs back. They want decent pay and reasonable work, instead of a dog-eat-dog race to the bottom economy that enriches a few at the expense of the many. Instead, they are given the “uber-economy” and lectured by pimply faced scam artist like Zuckerburg. They should be angry.
The Media likes to pretend they are the soul of enlightenment on issues of race and social justice, but it’s really the opposite. It’s more like the Media are distracting people from the fact the are being lied to and cheated. It isn’t racial hatred that is motivating Trump’s supporters, it’s economic issues.
You would never know that from the mediagasm of Trump hatred spewing from America’s chief propaganda organs. Most media people these days have internalized the zeitgeist of identity politics. They actually believe they are social justice warriors fighting against racism/sexism/addyourownismhere. And they are willing to bend the “facts” to suit their “worthy goals.”
Getting back to objectivity, the reason we have it is to protect journalists from themselves.
The people of the United States of America elected and RE-elected asholes such as Clinton, W Bush and Obama. In ‘what way’ is Donald worse and what would make it unacceptable given his illustrious predecessors?
Game: Name a credible source of comprehensive, international news, and then sit back and watch other Intercept readers tear it apart for it’s perceived conflicts of interest. You can do the same with a politician, celebrity, friend, business partner, etc. Perhaps it’s time to elevate good ideas instead of the mortal, fallible people that occasionally have them. After all, the U.S. Constitution (not sure if I’m supposed to cross myself or genuflect when writing) was written by a room full of people who wiped their asses with leaves, and 25+ of them OWNED other human beings.
For world news try Antiwar.com
Probably the best news aggregator for what is going on in the world. Justin Raimondo is a bit of a tool on 9/11 issues, but other than that, the site is informative.
Yeah, Sanders is not a “true Democrat” true Democrats believe in….uh, umm…give me a minute…
…I’ve got it! Intergenerational war on terror and bailing out Wall Street! That’s what true Democrats are!!! Why didn’t Sanders run as an independent like, what’s her name? Or, that other fellow? You know, the ones that almost never appear on the major media?
Why didn’t Sanders run as an independent, then the Clintonites, instead of complaining that he’s not a Democrat, that he should drop out of the race…
…could complain that Sanders the independent is splitting the vote, costing the Democrats the election, should drop out of the race….
Actually, the Clintonites aren’t happy either way, are they?
Am I wrong to think that anyone whose done a decent reading of history would think that this was a joke, or was the work of someone trying to sabotage Trump, making him look bad, but sadly I fear my instincts are wrong and they are indeed serious:
Uniform suggestions? That is too funny!!
But why bother joining a Facebook militia?, if Americans want to do some serious violence against dark skinned people, they can join the marines in time for Clinton’s next Middle East adventure.
Fear. People don’t understand the issues. They are afraid of all possible outcomes. They fear violent political reprisals. They fear who and what may be in their water, their food, their childrens’ schools, their work holiday parties. Most people feel powerless and afraid. Choosing a “side”, or supporting a candidate or cause, is perceived by those opposed, as a politically violent act against them and theirs. Heck, supporting a football team can get you beaten senseless in the current global environment of fear and intimidation. People need to find courage to right this course. Courage is not a crowd or a gun or the production or destruction of a sign. Courage is doing the right thing, for the right reason, without concern for the reward.
I missed this at the time, It is incredible, Ben Carson, whose “pathological” behaviour inspired Trump to invoke the term “child molester”, is endorsing Trump.
Otoh, at least no one has ever, ever accused The Turnip of being …a neutered neutral.
To continue to get shock value, you need to keep pushing the envelope. Now a Trump supporting pastor is put on to say Bernie Sanders needs “to have a come to Jesus meeting”
I’m pretty sure Sanders’ commitment to poor, something that, if I’m not mistaken, the biblical Jesus had something to say about, stacks up pretty well with Trump’s self interested gold plated personal wide body jet lifestyle. It seems that for cable, any nonsense is good enough to put on live tv when your ratings are faltering. All that is left to do is give the presidential candidates chairs to throw at each other and the transition to reality tv politics will be complete.
As I think back over cover of Trump’s campaign, I do believe the media has accurately reported his inflammatory rhetoric, his threatening statements to protestors at his rallies, etc. Reporters have not shied away from highlighting the extreme aspects of all that. I think the journalistic failure goes deeper — in treating the Republican effort to undermine Obama’s presidency, shut down the government over the deficit, deny climate change, destroy Planned Parenthood, etc. as legitimate political goals founded in reasonable policy positions.
Why aren’t more journalists in the UK protesting, and writing about The UK Government’s Investigatory powers bill which essentially exploits the public’s concerns about terrorism as an excuse to spy on journalists.
At least The Guardian is :
The Guardian The Government is using terrorism an excuse to spy on journalists by Michelle Stanistreet :
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/mar/14/government-terrorism-journalists-investigatory-powers-bill-snooper-charter
and
The Guardian Technology firms hopes dashed by cosmetic tweaks to snoopers charter :
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/01/technology-firms-hopes-dashed-by-cosmetic-tweaks-to-snoopers-charter
and
The Guardian The snooper’s charter is flying through parliament. Don’t think it’s irrelevant to you by Scarlet Kim :
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/14/snoopers-charter-apple-fbi-bill-hacking-gagging
(And, of course, we’re close to seeing the nomination of a terrifying clown for president. I think I wanted to block that out of my mind. Still in shock.)
Even assuming that human objectivity was possible, or even definable in terms of reporting, I don’t understand how the practice of serving as a stenographer for various government factions can be called objectivity.
As long as “all” government factions are represented in a piece, it’s objective and “dispassionate”?
Investigation doesn’t matter, then, and the outcome is that critical thinking falls by the wayside. In extreme cases, people are led to illegal invasions based on transparently false evidence.
The word “objectivity” is meaningless as used here. It’s another Orwellian term for “don’t question”.
Yes, yes, the “democracy” has to be interpreted, it’s not about the opinion and desire of a majority.
Rumor has it that the comment section is nearing an upgrade – along with many here, it can’t be soon enough.
I’ve posted this reply at the appropriate spot in the thread (twice) and seen that it survived being posted, only to come back later to see that it’s gone missing. Apologies (not) for putting this at the top of the section, and also (not) if it happens to show up more than once somewhere else.
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@CraigSummers –
No, you are mistaken.
To review, I said earlier:
So, to remind you, yet again, of the premise of the article:
And in this context, Glenn provided these additional examples of “compelled journalistic “neutrality” as it relates directly to the premise of “the danger and sham” that has helped facilitate “the rise of Trump.”
From the article:
In other words, the article isn’t about Trump, per se, it’s about this specific paradigm of the “Danger and Sham of Compelled Journalistic “Neutrality” which is, you know, the title of the article that we’re commenting on.
To which you’ll likely reply something to the effect that “he’s talking about Bush, blah, blah blah, not Trump here!” to which I’ll just remind you that reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suit, particularly when it comes to articles written by Glenn – or to comments made by me.
Thanks.
You are lying sillyputty. You could not answer a simple questioned posed to you. To reiterate:
I just need a couple of more examples of of the corporate media attempting to silence voices – like Cokie (on Trump specifically). Here is what Greenwald said specifically:
“…… Actually, many people are alarmed, but it is difficult to know that by observing media coverage, where little journalistic alarm over Trump is expressed. That’s because the rules of large media outlets — venerating faux objectivity over truth along with every other civic value — prohibit the sounding of any alarms. ….”
I see alarms not only in the major media outlets, but the establishment Republican Party as well. In fact, no candidate for President in recent history has been raked over the coals more than Trump.
Good luck – and thanks.
Other examples please?
Lying by omission, you say? I think not, for the reasons already stated.
Which were provided. That you want to stretch the context, and/or imply things that weren’t explicitly said in the article is your problem, not mine.
I’ve suggested this to you many times: if you have a specific problem with an article that you cannot get resolved, try first refuting it yourself with links and data to back it up.
If that doesn’t satisfy you, try addressing and/or emailing the author directly with your concerns.
In other words, I’ll not carry your water for you. Bail yourself out.
“Sanity is the lot of those who are most obtuse, for lucidity destroys one’s equilibrium: it is unhealthy to honestly endure the labors of the mind which incessantly contradict what they have just established.”
– Georges Bataille
One of the main reasons that you are worthless to respond to is that you know very little – so you play games.
Again, I just need a couple of more examples of of the corporate media attempting to silence voices – like Cokie (on Trump specifically). Either you have other examples or you don’t.
Thanks sillyputty.
And yet…here you are.
Asked and answered in the context previously discussed.
I don’t need other information to confirm the validity of the premise of the article (again, already discussed). If you want “more examples of the corporate media attempting to silence voices – like Cokie (on Trump specifically)” then find them yourself.
It’s addressing a concern that you feel needs addressed – not one that I do – simple as that.
“Blame is just a lazy person’s way of making sense of chaos.”
– Douglas Coupland
Trump may have pissed on the establishment’s chips a little, by steam rolling over their candidates, but who the hell has been pissing on the cornflakes ? :
http://news.sky.com/story/1659752/criminal-probe-into-kellogg-urinating-video
What’s Trump secret? Clandestine support from establishment of Dems&Reps so called unified business party and media corporatists. What’s more important he has support of Wall Street as much as Hillary has. Koch brothers who vowed to crush Trump just six months ago openly refused to do so. Watch Boomberg excretions and you see a line of CEO’s supporting either Hillary or Trump. The Trump so-called phenomenon is a concerted effort to play on lowest ethical common denominator only to engage people in this circus of no consequence.
All of those so-called candidates are candidates vetted by oligarchic ruling elite. All of them, including Sanders and Trump, both election time populists aimed to extort the vote from gullible and desperate Americans only to betray them.
Who will stop Trump? How about balanced but harsh when warranted criticism and quitting cheer-leading by MSM, yes they are really massively proliferate his nonsense for ratings and He is even inadvertently promoted by his opponents.
Trump has qualities of a self-invented cult leader, characterized by extreme bullying, intimidation, threats and/or violence and disregard to humanity reaching fair beyond any acceptable human conduct. He is a phony opportunist, a sewage excretion of his personal puny psychopathic insecurities for profit and fame with no other program, idea or thought behind it.
He did not appear on the political stage accidentally, he has his role to play and he is playing it well so far, whatever establishment wants him to play. These are political puppets, stooges, chicken hawks, and front-men of the establishment who are scared, afraid that their services will no longer be needed by true ruling elite who run this abhorrent regime for about 240 years..
“History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.”
– Martin Luther King, Jr.
Adversarial journalism, so much information packed into those two words.
The intercept.com is so special for stories like this. I can’t imagine this election cycle without it.
The Economist will often inject opinion into their reporting, and _have_ denounced Trump. Of course they are British.
Yeah, whatEvEr … whatever happened to >>reporters<< who stuck with the facts and did not preach?
Toxic? Having a definite border and setting immigration policy to prevent islamic terrorists from entering the country?
Yeah, that is soooo toxic
“A conservative movement says hold on to what you’ve got….
“The libertarian aspect of the Republican Party is presently the only useful political voice really in the U.S. Congress. It will be the driver that shifts the United States around. It’s not going to come from the Democrats. And it’s not going to come from Ralph Nader. It’s not going to come from the co-opted [neocon] part of the Republican Party. The only hope as far as electoral politics are concerned in the United States presently is the Libertarian section of the Republican Party.”
–Julian Assange, August, 2013
youtube.com/watch?v=i2zw7IFPn0g
Assange was right, given the information available (and political climate) in 2013. Change would not come from the mainstream Democrats or Republicans in Congress, as they were then (and still are now) in virtual lockstep, especially regarding warmongering and spreading violence – economic and otherwise – around the globe.
Assange was also right in that these are not positions that Ron or Rand Paul (or most libertarians) would espouse, therefore the assessment made sense: for change to come from within the electoral political structure in Washington at that time, it would have to come from within a segment of the party that disliked violent interventionism (to persons wherever they may live) moreso than those in power, as well someone that could speak credibly to a large enough base of younger voters, voters that would join them in taking a principled stance against the status quo and vote along those lines.
What Assange (nor anyone else that I know of) was aware of at the time was that there was another voice in the wilderness, so to speak, that had been bucking the status quo for decades: Bernie Sanders.
I’m not going to argue here why Rand’s message imploded – it’s self evident, in my view, and runs along the same lines as Assange’s idea expressed in the video: that libertarians can be prone to inflexibility, thus pigeonholing themselves into principled positions that are admirable, but politically untenable.
Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, seems to have many of the qualities that are needed to challenge what has become the unified, corporately controlled lawmakers in Washington: a consistent record of working (being flexible) with other lawmakers in amending and/or passing anything close to progressive legislation (such as anyone can in this environment) ; a consistent message on improving and/or supplanting many of the social programs that have been gutted and/or languished do to gridlock and ideological stubbornness; and the ability to reach out successfully to the millions of new voters that have decided that the government of their parents and/or grandparent isn’t the government they want for themselves, after all.
Sure, Bernie’s chance of winning the nomination itself is slim, particularly given the undemocratic Democratic National Committee power structure and their oligarchic zombie-super delegates; but with that said this is the election I’ve been waiting for for over three decades – and I think that win or lose this time, it’s inevitable that a more progressive governing structure will arise from all this, and it will do so sooner rather than later.
Bernie is a Democrat. Julian clearly stated that it’s not going to come from the Democrats.
Bernie was an Independent from the seventies until 2015 (therefore when Assange was making his point).
He began running as a Democrat in 2015 to have a viable chance at the Presidency under our current two party system.
What Assange said was that the change wouldn’t come from the Democrats (or GOP) at the time (2013) for reasons both he and I agree on.
I feel quite comfortable, also, in stating (as Assange did) that since the Democrats and Republicans are virtually monolithic on their world view (for the reasons already stated previously) that both Assange and I would consider Bernie, in the context we are speaking of, to be DINO – Democrat In Name Only.
Therefore the change isn’t coming from the Democrats at all.
Bernie has been an independent and ran dem for the media coverage. He said it flat out last night. The libertarians were co-opted by the mainstream and on some lever Neo-cons by around 2010. Plus I get the fact that it’s a quote that might mean something, but your acting like Julian Assange is God and your a fundamentalist Christian. I’ve seen the comments you make. I feel like your either way out of your depth, or someone’s paying you to try to misinform here and your really bad and lazy at it.
Bernie is a Democrat. Why do you laboriously attempt to contort his appearance on Democratic primary ballots as anything other than that?
Trump and Cruz are both Tea Party (paleo, libertarian right), as is Mia Love, Mike Lee, David Brat, Walter Jones, Rand Paul, Kelly Ayotte, Louie Gohmert, Jason Chaffetz,….
Who co-opted whom?
What does Fritz think? By the way, is he off parole yet? Does his bank robbery with that gun leave him a disenfranchised felon?
I knew nothing about Satanic mind control until you introduced me to Fritz Springmeier. Like you, he’s a man ahead of his time, or he did time, or something.
Are you not aware that Julian Assange knew about Bernie Sanders, and his preference for caucusing with the Democratic Party before 2015?
Did you read what he wrote? He gave you a complete explanation as to why Assange was correct in 2013, and how that comment no longer applies, given the rise of Bernie Sanders?
If you are an extremist libertarian, and want to think about your beliefs, then go to youtube, search for “Sam Seder libertarian.” Watch the debates. Clear your mind. And if you’re one of those libertarians incapable of clearing your mind, then hit the reply button and type:
Its historical data that during the 1700s, 1800s, to the 1900s, yellow journalism was the thing to do. Newspapers in the US often made up so called news. They often backed up ine candidate ti another.
When Ben Franklin started his journalism career and moved to Philly he made up stuff. His newspapers backed up one politician or another.
Ben Carson is on board. Louis Farrakhan speaks in glowing terms about Trump:
_”Louis Farrakhan praises Donald Trump“_
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/louis-farrakhan-donald-trump-220021
youtube.com/watch?v=sAYpITgzwOg
Farrakhan is a racist, bigoted, piece of shit. Of course he likes Trump. Great endorsement.
Thank you, GG, for another vital contribution. I would add that Keller seems to mistake servility for civility.
Unless i am misreading this, i don’t see the neutrality being played out at all in the corporate media. Quite the opposite, the CM has focused on playing the republican financiers organ grinder musical in a more monkey hear (the bosses dictates) monkey do fashion.
The entire reporting on Donald Trump has been slanted in an effort to rid him as a candidate with the onslaught of bully talk from the paid-to-do-nothing republican elites who have robbed america for all it’s worth now and in the future with their fraudulent wars – perped by the CM – and traitorous actions of having cowered from issues regarding Snowden, Assange, Manning, and other whistleblowers looking to tell the real owners of the government what their employees were really up to.
But I agree that where meaning of events is of more real interest, newspersons should reflect those concerns in their narratives and questions and it is sorely disappointing that they are prevented from doing good things like for instance, taking an opposition stance to an illegal war, or an illegal invasion of privacy, or an illegal attempted seizure of the Apple corporation.
Example, Cruz got the big lot of delegates in Wyoming. Trump got 1. That is interesting but not significant in full. One would instantly wonder how it is that a person like cruz could do that. We are left to speculate that Cruz met with the military brass and cheney (for the money) and promised them to carpet bomb (warcrime, no stranger to traitors like cheney) ISIL wherever they may be and also probably IRAN & NORTH KOREA. This being the likely scenarion given the habitat of wyoming’s isolation from normal life in the u.s. (wyoming is an outpost), one might then conclude that crazy cruz- a worshipper extremist religious fanatic of armegeddon- promised them to jumpstart armageddon for a sure fire victory for total planetary domination. (cruz wants to make his extremist fantasy world a reality for everyone to enjoy . in military terms this is called CERTIFIABLE).
The bottom line is, the news is supposed to actually and fully represent the American values to the best of their ability and conscience. The suppression of this is rationalized as neutrality to the reporter while the wrapper is a biased as one can get rewarded for.
So many comments already and I just can’t read them all now, but I’ll just say this:
Glenn: NOW this was an outside the park home run. I’m glad you mentioned the Cokie Roberts things as that was first on my mind seeing our headline.
You have hit on something I’ve felt almost since the beginning of this “campaign.” And Mr. Nyhan said so much: ‘Political scientist Brendan Nyhan on Sunday posted a widely cited Twitter essay voicing this concern, arguing that “Trump’s rise represents a failure in American parties, media, and civic institutions — and they’re continuing to fail right now.” He added, “Someone could capture a major party [nomination] who endorses violence [and] few seem alarmed.” ‘
Then you go on to say: “Under this framework of corporate journalism, to denounce Trump, or even to sound alarms about the dark forces he’s exploiting and unleashing, would not constitute journalism.” You have absolutely hit on why I’ve been so furious at the media over this. You are correct in that they are serving corporate interests, not that of the public.
You made passing mention of the muckraking journalists – those in the past who have used – gasp – journalism to expose and stir up action against abuses: I can’t name all of them but Nelly Bly and Ida B. Wells-Barnett come immediately to mind. It’s a tradition we still NEED to keep alive.
Anyway, great job and I hope some of the alarms get through to folks.
More violence because the US supports Israel – this time in Ivory Coast (state funded New York Times):
“…….ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast — Gunmen opened fire on picnickers and swimmers enjoying a perfect day at three beach resort hotels near the Ivory Coast’s capital on Sunday, killing 16 people and leaving bodies strewn across the bloodstained sand. It was the third major attack in West Africa since November, and verified fears that the spread of terrorism across the region was far from over…….The attack, on the first sunny Sunday in weeks, took place in Grand-Bassam, a popular palm tree-lined getaway for Ivorians and foreigners. Fourteen civilians and two members of the country’s special forces were killed, as well as six gunmen, according to a spokeswoman for the president…..”
Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claimed responsibility – and they are killing innocent people in Ivory Coast to protest our invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and protest our support for Israel. In addition, they are following the wise teachings of Bin Laden:
“…….The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates……”
So they murder black people in Ivory Coast in retribution.
Ok.
Just like to inform people who only read the Intercept about what is going on in the world
Neither trade nor TPP is anywhere on Bernie Sanders’s site priority list of issues. Not a word.
Even worse, he’s been utterly silent about Satanic Mind Control. You know, while you were gone there was nobody here to keep folks au curant on that pressing issue. Indeed, in your absence there’s been almost nothing at all about the myriad ways in which occult powers threaten humanity.
It’s super great that you are a Trump defender, but hardly surprising. You possess precisely the caliber of mind one would expect to find in that role.
Yep, Underscore possesses precisely “the calibre of mind” to be a Trump defender. I also expect that he may have a marble bust of Trump in his bedroom, or even a statue of Trump in his yard to worship, and pay homage too.
Would an inflatable Donald doll be too tacky?
I would rather not think about that vision – its the stuff nightmares are made of ! Lol
Meanwhile Turkey’s President has voiced his desire to redefine terrorists to include journalists, activists, and even academics and legislators.
According to President Recep Tayyip Erdogen “There is no difference between a terrorist holding a gun or bomb and those who use their position and pen to serve the aims of the terrorist.”
Whilst already many of the mainstream media have reported on this, including the BBC news, not one has drawn any criticism of the dangers and extremity of this, even though it represents an affront to their own profession, and to freedom of speech. The loose and wide, definition of “using a pen to serve the aims of a terrorist” is frightening and oppressive. No journalist, academic or activist should ever be criminalizes and treated the same as a terrorist holding a bomb or gun, for what they write. It should be obvious , even to the mainstream media, that this could also be used to crush political dissent in the media, an to persecute political and human rights activists under the guise of anti terrorism.
Would it surprise anyone on the thread that Erdo?an is a leftist:
“If you had said a single word, I will apologize to socialists,” Bulut said, daily Radikal reported. “If there is a true socialist in Turkey, it is Recep Tayyip Erdo?an,” he said.
hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-is-a-true-socialist-says-pms-adviser-yigit-bulut.aspx
Please, Erdogan is a repressive authoritarian nationalist with a family known for pursuing shady oil deals with Islamic State terrorist groups in Syria. He also has close ties to the House of Saud (that’s the ruling family clan of Saudi Arabia), and seems to have played a key role in supplying weapons (possibly including chemical weapons) to the Islamic State groups, in oil-for-weapons deals overseen by close family members.
Yes, Nazi is German for “National Socialist” but I’m not sure if you understand the historical structure of fascism in Nazi Germany – i.e. there was no separation of powers of the kind enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, no judicial-legislative-executive balance of power, nor any guaranteed rights for citizens. That kind of political structure is unfortunately common in the Middle East; they tend to go for authoritarian dictatorships, which the neocons and neoliberals are happy to get in bed with, which is why it’s pretty clear the neoliberals and neoconservatives are very un-American in their outlook and agenda.
Turkey’s Erdogan seems to want to be a dictator, all things considered, and as such doesn’t deserve NATO membership, or “US ally” status, any more than Saudi Arabia or Iran does. That’s why we need a whole new approach to the Middle East, one in which we stop calling such dictators our ‘allies’.
But trying to squeeze all that into a domestic USA political mindset narrative about ‘the left’ and ‘the right’, ‘the evils of socialism’, ‘Obamacare’, etc. that’s quite a shoehorn job, isn’t it? You ever think maybe your perspective is a bit narrow, provincial, American-corporate-media-shaped, maybe?
National (as in NPR, NOW, NARAL) Socialist Workers Party. Only progressive leftists label anything “Workers Party.” Adding “Socialist” certainly doesn’t help attract anything other than a progressive.
Conservatives are revulsed by “Socialist Workers Party” on the napkins.
Erdogan is a socialist. His own cabinet is explicitly professing that to you, defending that to you. Advertising that to you. Scribbling it on the doorbell for you.
Newsflash:
Neocon means leftist Repub., aka Rockefeller Repub.. Neoconservatism is “neo-” (i.e., ‘new-,’ ‘improved-,’ ‘lefty anodyne-‘) for a reason: it is, on record, Trotskyism brought by Bill Kristol’s father, Irving Kristol–author of “Memoirs of a Trotskyist”–into the U.S. via Mexico City in the 1950s.
There is no such thing as neolib. That’s a limp response that progressives coined in the last decade to avoid acknowledging that leftism is historically violent and boundary-transgressive (both internationally and personally).
You continue to be insane. Like your good pal Fritz whose work you cite, such as The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave.
Why don’t you go back to the comments section at David Icke’s place, mmkay? Surely there are some lizard people for you to expose?
I’ve never written to the comments section at David Icke’s place. It sounds like preaching to the choir.
Dude! Check it out. From what I’ve read about it it’s a perfect fit for you. Unless Fritz has his own site? If not, I think you and he should start one and you should devote all your time to it.
It’s just really cool to learn you are a Trump defender. Somehow, I just knew you would be. With critical thinking skills like yours, it was bound to be the case.
You know you can open your own website or blog and moderate it yourself. You are here deciding who is a troll and sending messages to TI telling them who should be banned. If you are so annoyed by others on a site that is not even yours, then it might really be the time to have your own website where you can delete whomever you want. You are not privileged to anybody here regardless of your special relationship with TI.
From what I’ve seen, this Mona person seems to be the equivalent of a yappy Chihuahua that inhabits the house of TI and thinks it is the mighty ‘protector’ of the property – it makes a lot of noise and frantically nips at your ankles, but in reality is a harmless little neurotic dog that is more afraid of you than you are of it…
You’re both wrong. I’m Glenn Greenwald’s former law partner and a long-time friend of his. He began blogging in ’05, and we discussed moderation policies then and ever since. *He* controls the moderation, but I know his standards and largely agree with them.
But hey, if you stellar contributors think an individual who has flooded the place with 15% of the comments about, e.g., Russian monks railing on about “real Jews,” Satanic sex kittens and mind control, or how Hitler was far-left — I understand. You all three think similarly. Similar critical thinking process and fidelity to facts.
If, like you just did, I cited as legal authority a specific bill that died in congressional committee and never passed, I’d be so mortified I’d be quiet down here for a at least a few days.
But then, unlike you, I’m not a troll spewing endless bullshit in a bizarre quest to convince this comments section that Glenn Greenwald is the second coming of Benedict Arnold. You cannot be embarrassed. Nor can Glenn’s multiple bans of your various accounts keep you from popping right back up like a Weeble Wobble.
Perhaps you need a hobby?
Minor boo-boo there. That comment was meant for the troll Truth&Freedom. The one who cites as controlling legal authority bills that died in committee and were never made law.
Lol lol lol I like the Chihuahua part. Now she is writing about her years working with Greenwald, at McDonalds, the White House….She still does not get the we do not give a damn about your personal life part. Thanks for the new description. Mona: “Irrational yappy Chihuahua idiot.”
NAZI
the claim that nazi is short for National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter-Partei is a stretch since the 1st syllable of National and Sozialistische is NASO in script and in pronunciation.
The word goes back to the russian revolution 1917 when the ashkenazis (originally from area called Khazaria now some of Georgia) led that revolt. Many have called them jews but they are not from the 12 tribes of israel.
The precise connection between the ashkenazis and the nazi party is not well documented.
Interesting, found this:
“Nazi – an insult in use long before the rise of Adolf Hitler’s party. It was a derogatory term for a backwards peasant – being a shortened version of Ignatius, a common name in Bavaria, the area from which the Nazis emerged. Opponents seized on this and shortened the party’s title Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, to the dismissive “Nazi”
According to the Internets, Hitler hated being called a Nazi, it turns out the word was coined by opponents of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, which is translated “National Socialist German Worker’s Party”. . .
Claiming that Hitler was left-wing, though, that’s a new one to me . . .
It does not surprise me at all that Erdogen is being portrayed as a “true socialist either” For me though the proof of a real, genuine socialist is when the mass media attack are all orchestrated together, trying to politically assassinate a new rising socialist star. Take for instance the vile and vicious campaign they ran against Jeremy Corbyn. Only when the elite are frightened that someone may start breaking their elitist china, and they organise, and instruct widespread media propaganda against the “true socialist” can one be more confident. Tony Blair was supposed to have been a socialist, yet he now works for despot regimes and Governments, and he led Britain into the Iraq war based on lies which resulted in the death of British troops and millions of Iraqi civilians.
Glenn:
Do tell: Where can I find the correct story about which political candidate will lead me and society to a bright and rosy future? Is it Ms. Clinton, who promises corruption in a scale unseen heretofore? Mr. Sanders, who finds sanctuary in bankrupt redistributionist ideology most responsible for mass human death? Is it Mr. Cruz? Rubio? Kasich? Do tell. I do not wish to hear anything misleading.
Why is the progressive left so unconcerned about trade and TPP? About H-1B and H-2B abuses? About globalization? About the jobs they’ll never have because their besieged employers are being asked to buy one bottle of goofballs after another for them? Are they too esoteric for them to understand in comparison to simple taunts about unsubstantiated “racism” and “sexism”?
A very good question indeed. Perhaps we are being misguided by the very press Mr Greenwald holds in such high regard.
Here are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of articles about the TPP.
https://www.popularresistance.org/tag/tpp/
How long can one person survive on this planet and continue to remain as delusional as you have managed to do?
That’s a great thing… the problem is, what happens when Trump is dismissed and pro-TPP Hillary is in charge? There is something to be said about a Republican Party that would acquiesce to some of Trump’s trade skepticism and pose a genuine challenge against TPP, in association with a large number of skeptical Democrats.
The main reason why we have the illegal immigration problem in the first place is the toxic effects of NAFTA in Mexico, making it impossible for indigenous farmers to compete against imported corn. The Zapatistas have been telling us that for 20 years, but nowadays some of the media is actually beginning to learn that. (The other problem is the idiotic bipartisan War on Drugs, especially its implementation as a draconian ban on supply and a slap on the wrist for demand with the intent of raising drug prices/profits as high as possible)
We have a situation here where the slavish stupid insistence of Republicans on cutting taxes for the rich and raising fees and fines and local taxes on everyone else has created an apparent party divide, but there is more than enough room for entirely different party divides on issues like these, if only we could get rid of this clan of company shills so we could start talking about them.
I don’t at all buy that a Trump president would make TPP disappear. I mean, you know, Trump is so dependably honest and all. Plus, Clinton is not the nominee.
Most importantly, though, I wasn’t exaggerating about there being hundreds of articles and videos on the trade and specifically TPP subject at that link. I doubt that you even opened the link, much less read any of the articles posted within it. If you had, you possibly would have had your questions addressed and wouldn’t have to had asked an ‘Asked and Answered’ question, as if everything thing that has ever happened since the beginning of time begins anew every dawn of day.
Who says that the progressive left are “unconcerned about the TPP”? Wikileaks attacked the TPP, and I believe that The Intercept has drawn criticism in many reports also previously. There are no jobs that members of the progressive left can never have, except maybe the non exec directorships in Global corporations which are often awarded to the elites’ far right wing politicians in reward and recognition for furthering the elite establishments agenda.
You’re a little confused.
The far right wing, also known as paleo, is distinctly about anti-globalism; smallest gov’t; liberty; the cooperative, civil individual; natural law.
By contrast, the progressive left pushes for Big Government–which is the only entity tax-flush enough to dispense crony capital.
And no doubt also poorly informed about the ongoing crisis with mind-controlled sex kittens. (I’d never heard of them until you came along!) Please, explain it to the poor fellow.
Hi Mona, I am very pleased to be able to confirm that I am no longer confused about the mind controlled sex kittens. I had never heard of them until Underscore explained them to me. He is a total expert on such important subject matter, and he was even able to help me with my total confusion that the UK Conservative Government was not really Conservative but socialist. I now regret all the time I wasted at College, as I could have saved the cost, and time by consulting the great oracle Underscore !
Dont kid yourself. The progressive left as you call it is actually the lot of Social Capitalists; survival, comfort, luxury; entitlement, earned, chased.
WE – the owners of the country, the government, natural resources and life support industries can burn the employment visas in any incinerator. It would also be very beneficial to imprison those elected persons who advocate or assist in the theft of any of those. 20 to life sounds like a good start.
“Why is the progressive left so unconcerned about trade and TPP?”
Why are you so uninformed that you think Obama and Hillary and their supporters constitute the progressive left? If you had ever bothered to look outside of the two-party system, you would have seen that the largest independent party on the left, the Green Party, has been very much concerned about the TPP and other such “trade” agreements.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eoin-higgins/an-interview-with-dr-jill-stein_b_9456614.html
“”Who is pushing the Trans Pacific Partnership? President Obama and the Democrats.” Stein said that the legislation would have lasting detrimental consequences for the US and the world.
“The TPP is putting investors on same level of nation states,” Stein explained. “Anyone who supports it should be taken to court and accused of treason. The TPP is dismantling of the framework of democracy. And the fact is, the Democrats are leading the charge.” -excerpt from the linked article.
Mona
I have asked you this question three times and you have never given me an answer:
“…..This abdication of the journalistic duty inevitably engendered by corporate “neutrality” rules is not new……”
Greenwald’s lead-in (above) to criticism of the media during the Iraq war ( a decade ago) was criticism of NPR. For the fourth time Mona, you need to answer the question posed to you.
“……Well Mona, you can’t answer the simple question. Let me rephrase it. Greenwald uses NPR as an example concerning Trump. What other media outlets are examples of neutrality [on the coverage of] Trump? After all, Greenwald extends this concept of “neutral” journalism to the entire media……”
Thanks Mona
[chortle]
I already answered it. For the fifth time Mona:
“……. Greenwald uses NPR as an example concerning Trump. What other media outlets are examples of neutrality [on the coverage of] Trump? After all, Greenwald extends this concept of “neutral” journalism to the entire media……”
What?
If i understand you correctly, this is a perspective dilemna. The neutrality is essentially a directive to prevent the pre-existing slant from being re-slanted.
It does not matter whether you answer the question or not. Mona FEELS you did not answer it. Mona’s arguments depend on what she feels, not on facts, not on statistics, not on reality.
I feel the ghost of Edward Bernays behind much of American politics.
It was really galling to hear Folkenflik dress down Roberts the morning. Made me think back to the ridiculous evaluation This American Life did a few years back about whether NPR is “biased.” I wish she’d told them to go stuff it and that if they wanted to get caught up in their own tail chasing they could make their own statement to listeners about the policies she is not subject to.
Here are my takes on these issues generally:
1) agree with Glenn that “objectivity” in journalism is a bogus concept (from what a “journalist”/media corporation chooses to “report”, or not, and how i.e. actual language employed in reporting on some topic–it always has “bias”)–accuracy in reporting “facts” properly “contextualized” (historically, legally, culturally etc.) is all that’s relevant;
2) most “mainstream” corporate “media” is dying on the vine (as with demographics of America and technology), and I don’t see that changing soon it will be like Pravda and people will just stop believing in whatever is “reported” except sports scores and weather;
3) don’t think the media has been particularly “supportive” of Trump except in their 24/7 coverage of every bit of crap that comes shooting out of his mouth which I’ll concede is “dangerous” in some respects due to being “uncritical” of that crap as a journalistic matter but plenty of journalistic outlets are pretty critical and I read a ton of different ones;
4) haven’t decided exactly what Trump is/is not–if he’s really just playing everyone or if he’s a Mussolini in waiting (although with the institutional structures in place, I don’t think an “American Mussolini” is really possible);
5) as far as Trump unleashing the dangerous American “id”, I haven’t quite given up on the American people just yet that he’d ever obtain a critical mass of followers necessary to do the “really bad stuff” others think he could/might and I still believe he gets blown out by Bernie or Hillary Clinton (although she’d be almost as bad in some ways as Trump);
6) of course Trump would be a disaster in some ways if elected because I don’t really think he actually cares about “governing”, but then again neither does the entire Republican Party, but America survived Reagan, two Bushes and a Clinton, so although times my get tougher, maybe that’s what it will take before any sort of “revolution/reformation” can take place in American politics and or people get motivated enough to even ask the right questions, demand answers, and then act;
7) I’ve argued before there is still enough of a middle class left in America, that millions still have a lot left to lose yet, and it isn’t until the upper middle class functionaries and bureaucrats that make the ship of state and economy function, and are on the economic chopping block too, that fundamental change ever has a chance of really getting any traction in America (or a very unpopular war with a draft of those upper middle class folks children being at risk which doesn’t happen any more).
We’ll see what happens. Again, I still have enough faith in my fellow Americans (even the Republicans I know) that should Trump get elected he’ll be largely what he is now–a blowhard and borderline bigot who accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Although if he tanks all the free-trade agreements not going to say I’d be unhappy about that. Statistically I’m more afraid of hitting a deer with my car than I am of President Trump’s theoretical brown shirts showing up all over the country. Besides most of his “base” is a bunch of morons, and if the liberals can’t go to war or protect themselves against those clowns then we “liberals/progressives” aren’t very tough, smart or resourceful. I for one am not giving up on my nominal “allies” just yet that they’ll let America go down the shitter with Trump at the helm.
I can certainly agree with some of your post specifically:
“……don’t think the media has been particularly “supportive” of Trump except in their 24/7 coverage of every bit of crap that comes shooting out of his mouth which I’ll concede is “dangerous” in some respects due to being “uncritical” of that crap as a journalistic matter but plenty of journalistic outlets are pretty critical and I read a ton of different ones…..”
focus on Trump? The devil in the details is Cruz. Think Hitler squared.
@GlennGreenwald I don’t understand why the main stream media would denounce Trump. It seems to me that he reflects the unspoken attitudes of the American media and government. They both support racism and violence. They may not be so bold about it, but they do support it in actions locally and abroad. The USA is a white supremacists country that is trying not to appear to be so. The USA is a violent country both locally and abroad. Why would they denounce one of their own?
Glen,
You are one in several million, able to see the reality, which the solidly entrenched Plutocractic Oligarchy, running our nation, and the planet, has spent decades preventing the populace from even contemplating the possibility of its existence.
Your statement –
“That’s because the rules of large media outlets — venerating faux objectivity over truth along with every other civic value — prohibit the sounding of any alarms.”
The complicity of the mainstream media, in maintaining the illusion created by the Plutocratic Oligarcy, has been impossible to weaken, in any meaningful way, simply because the power of their perception management programs have been honed to a level that only the most learned, the most astute are able to grasp in a very basic way.
There are countless hours and literally hundreds of millions spent by the Plutocratic Oligarchy, employing entities such as the Rendon Group, rendon.com to develop perception management programs, the likes of which humans know nothing about, and consequently when such are alluded to, they consider such the stuff of conspiracy nuts.
The battle for the spirit, the soul of humankind is being fought, and unless people like Bernie Sanders succeed, “we the very gullible, and needy people”, will be fully enslaved.
The squealing (and giggling) came early and often–from Salon; from the New York Daily News, which repeatedly Shopped clown make-up on him beginning the day after his mid summer announcement; from MSNBC;….
Glenn is engaging in a timeless progressive left tradition of attempting to jam the shoe onto the other foot.
The UK Government also funds Tavistock , who are very rarely ever mentioned in the mainstream media. Also do not forget such powerful, and secret, behind closed door meetings which the illuminati have organised including :
The Bildebergs
The Council of Foreign Relations
The Trilateral Commission
Skull and Bones
Bohemian Grove
Mister, you’ve got a beginner’s, tenuous understanding of this, but you’ll have to do some more research about the fact that all of those are, as well, progressive-leftist, globalist organizations.
And Bilderberg is spelled with an r.
Trilateral was founded by David Rockefeller (also a founder of the progressive-supporting Rockefeller Bros. Foundation) and Jimmy Carter’s National Sec. Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Here is a bit more to help educate you about Tavistock :
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml
Your acknowledgement that the socialist U.K. Government also funds Tavistock should be an additional hint to you about the sociopolitical leanings of these places.
The UK Government is not socialist. The Conservative Party which is now in power, and has been for many years,is a right wing political party.
If the U.K. government was not socialist, it wouldn’t have NHS, it wouldn’t ban firearms in private homes. It wouldn’t tax its citizens into perma-underemployment, wouldn’t have endless unemployment street demonstrations in Brixton over the last half century.
https://www.google.com/search?q=fabian+society&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN65Wt8sHLAhWCGR4KHYXXCgIQ_AUICCgC&biw=1042&bih=771
Group Think vs. Confirmation Bias
The social psychological term, confirmation bias, refers to the fact that the masses will believe even the biggest of lies, if they hear it often enough. Confirmation bias and group think work hand in hand to enslave Americans into believing in and accepting a self-destructive paradigm. Television MSM news has a filtering impact on the perception of reality. The psychological concept of confirmation bias means that when we hear a message often enough, we come to unquestionably accept the message as authentic and real. And the message is amazingly consistent because only six globalist corporate entities control over 90% of the media. –Dave Hodges
The Intercept is playing its role with the MSM in creating an image of Trump which does not seem accurate. Do we really believe the GOP has our best interests at heart? They sure don’t like Trump. I wonder why? Who was it now that said laughingly, “We came, we saw, ha ha ha, he died (Qaddafi).” They would prefer her to Trump. And take a look now at Libya after Hilary’s humanitarian intervention! She may be the person Americans deserve though.
This article is utter blarg. Simply reporting the facts about Trump (or anyone / anything) is sufficient. People can make up their own minds. There is already a forum in place for expressing one’s opinion in journalism. It’s called an editorial. We get enough biased reporting from Fox News. We don’t need that shit spreading and creating more unreliability. There’s already a reason I don’t use major outlets to get my news.
Oh Glenn, you so don’t get it.
“Actually, many people are alarmed, but it is difficult to know that by observing media coverage, where little journalistic alarm over Trump is expressed.”
Good grief, what are you talking about? Trump has been denounced throughout the media by journalists, celebrities, politicians, etc I really can’t think of too many notable political commentators who aren’t on record denouncing him at this point. Even the right-wing media establishment, like Fox News and the National Review have tried their best to bring him down. He is so routinely compared to Adolf Hitler in the MSM, that Conan had Sarah Silverman dress up as Der Fuhrer to publicly distance himself away from Trump. Trump even gets blamed when left-wing thugs smash shut down his rally in Chicago.
Has it really not occurred to you that the avalanche of criticism is itself fueling Trump’s ridiculous candidacy? That Trump’s supporters rightly assume the media hates them and they in turn are supporting a man the media is so against. Cokie Roberts could light herself on fire protesting Trump and it wouldn’t make a difference! Let me put it this way, the Media is the PMRC and Trump is NWA.
BTW I realize journalistic objectivity is one Glenn’s bugbear. But it really does seem old-fashioned thing to kvetch about it. I mean do you really think there’s a lack of partisan journalism, especially online? It seems to me only a few media dinosaurs still strive for objectivity because they imagine their audience is wider and more diverse than it really is. To me, epistemic closure is the real problem with today’s journalism.
Then you won’t have a problem quoting three mainstream journalists who have done this addressing their audience.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination
I’d have a harder time naming three who haven’t. I mean here’s a bunch of prominent Conservatives opposing him in the National Review.
As I thought, you cannot cite three mainstream journalists who have denounced Trump while addressing their audience.
What is your definition of mainstream journalists? Eric Erickson used to work for CNN, Bill Kristol is all over the place. National Review is the conservative standard bearer.
Erick Erickson isn’t a journalist. He was hired to be a partisan “contributor.” Neither is Bill Kristol. What three establishment journalists (including anchors) have denounced Donald Trump?
Isn’t Glenn primarily an opinion journalist? So somebody like George Will– who has a Pulitzer, and has denounced Trump — wouldn’t count either? But a newsreader like Brian Williams or Megyn Kelly (who have gotten into it with Trump) would count? It seems like you’re just complaining about the division of labor here. Of course back in Murrow’s time there was a bit more overlap between spheres of journalism, but that doesn’t necessarily mean today’s journalism lacks editorial voice.
The only “journalist” at your link is Glenn Beck and he whines about the spectre of “ever-expanding government” if Trump wins. BFD
‘bad publicity is better than no publicity’
*The Turnip feeds on the decaying bones of mainstream journalists who would denounce him …
Not only mainstream journalists, but the mainstream Republican Party.
Where do you live Mona? Douthat (NYT) hammered him yesterday (advocating the Republican Party override the voters), and at least two more (real) journalist in the Washington Post denounced him today.
“Chicago shows Americans will not take Trump’s nonsense lying down”
By Eugene Robinson
“Protesters should let Trump air his hate”
By Richard Cohen
This is so obvious that I wonder if you have been on an expedition in the Antarctica the past two months
None of those three work as journalists. They are specifically paid to be opinion columnists (and so are “allowed” not to be “objective”). What three establishment journalists (including anchors) have denounced Donald Trump?
Bullshit Mona. They are journalists – and they are mainstream. There are tons of negative opinions about Trump. Just fucking look.
Uh-huh. Well, Glenn’s article is not about the faux “objectivity” in columnists. There is no such thing. No one claims columnists are objective, including themselves.
So, you and Glenn are not referring to the same thing.
“…….None of those three work as journalists…..”
Bullshit Mona. They are (adversarial) journalists – and there are tons of journalists that have denounced Trump.
Thanks.
Nope. Glenn was writing about the establishment media, which almost never hires “adversarial” journalists. It hires “objective” journalists. It also hires pundits, who are published in the editorial section (of print media) — where the objective journalism does not go.
The Washington Post and the New York Times are not establishment media? Wow, that will come as news to Greenwald. He saves much of his criticism of the MSM to the NTY.
Leaders of the pack of “objective” news reporting.
If you were a professional journalist, specifically how would you denounce him, Mona? And how would you back it up?
Beyond the backhanded maneuvers that every corporate-left ‘news’ media organization has already engaged in on Prime Time and in page A1 to attempt to smear and marginalize his campaign?
If by that you mean confirmation-bias, then it’s a fair point if what is being said is unaffected by new evidence, i.e., a purely editorial piece that doesn’t deal with facts that are the same for all of us – whether we believe those facts or not.
But this ‘fair point’ only remains so if what is being said isn’t, as the author notes, being compelled in such a way that attempts to silence voices (Cokie Roberts, in this case) because the reporting agency is deemed as a “neutral” or “objective” source of information.
That’s where the sham of this newfangled “journalism” comes in. One can (we all do) have a point of view and a political agenda, even journalists.
But when an organization that “reports the news” and hires “journalists” actually restricts those perspectives under the guise of neutrality and objectivity in order to protect its “brand” (corporate sponsors) what we have then is no longer journalism in the public interest, it’s propaganda in the corporate interest – which is still fine so long as it’s disclosed as such – but that’s not what’s happening at all; these organizations are claiming a pseudo-journalistic standard -“the view from nowhere” – that was created by themselves to protect themselves. Talk about self-interested parties.
Steven Colbert puts this dynamic another way:
So while most mainstream media is peddling their own version of “truthiness” to the public in the name of good optics for their owners/shareholders, the public is finally getting the real picture: biased is as biased does (and if disclosed isn’t necessarily a bad thing) and that any claim of objectivity and/or neutrality is a bogus one.
While you make reasonable points, none of that applies to Trump. You can find tons of journalists (and others such as the Republican Party) denouncing Trump. Glenn could not be further off base on this article, but he used the executive at NPR to lead in to the same story he has pressed time and time again about the Iraq war.
Mona has not been able to find a similar case as the NPR exec in today’s media. Maybe you can.
– CraigSummers
All of it applies to Trump in the context of this article, which is what I’m commenting on. That you want to “what-about” it into some other topic is disappointing, but not unsurprising.
Here’s what I said below, which is relevant to the discussion Glenn actually started:
As an ongoing reminder (unless you want to explicitly change the subject, which is fine) the articles headline, in this case:
is the actual premise of the argument being made, and, unlike you, what everyone else is referring to as well, if they are on topic in the first place.
“……“The article clearly shows us the true meaninglessness of the statements made by most mainstream media institutions today – that under the guise of “neutrality” and “objectivity” – these institutions that claim to serve the general public’s interests are serving their institutionalized interests, instead.”…..”
These institutions? That is plural. Greenwald gave us one example (NPR). Maybe you can provide a couple of more?
That’s correct.
That’s incorrect – he gave several examples.
Maybe you can reread the article and get back to me on the several more Glenn did cite as examples.
I’ll wait.
“…..Maybe you can reread the article and get back to me on the several more Glenn did cite as examples……”
It’s a game you love to play, but Greenwald cited only one example pertaining to Trump – Cokie Roberts – which you pointed out:
“……But this ‘fair point’ only remains so if what is being said isn’t, as the author notes, being compelled in such a way that attempts to silence voices (Cokie Roberts, in this case) because the reporting agency is deemed as a “neutral” or “objective” source of information.
I just need a couple of more examples of of the corporate media attempting to silence voices – like Cokie (on Trump specifically). Here is what Greenwald said specifically:
“…… Actually, many people are alarmed, but it is difficult to know that by observing media coverage, where little journalistic alarm over Trump is expressed. That’s because the rules of large media outlets — venerating faux objectivity over truth along with every other civic value — prohibit the sounding of any alarms. ….”
I see alarms not only in the major media outlets, but the establishment Republican Party as well. In fact, no candidate for President in recent history has been raked over the coals more than Trump.
Good luck – and thanks.
On the editorial pages, sure. But not from the”objective” journalists in the reporting sections.
No, you are mistaken.
To review, I said earlier:
So, to remind you, yet again, of the premise of the article:
And in this context, Glenn provided these additional examples of “compelled journalistic “neutrality” as it relates directly to the premise of “the danger and sham” that has helped facilitate “the rise of Trump.”
From the article:
In other words, the article isn’t about Trump, per se, it’s about this specific paradigm of the “Danger and Sham of Compelled Journalistic “Neutrality” which is, you know, the title of the article that we’re commenting on.
To which you’ll likely reply something to the effect that “he’s talking about Bush, blah, blah blah, not Trump here!” to which I’ll just remind you that reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suit, particularly when it comes to articles written by Glenn – or to comments made by me.
Thanks.
No, you are mistaken.
To review, I said earlier:
So, to remind you, yet again, of the premise of the article (as I see it):
And in this context, Glenn provided these additional examples of “compelled journalistic “neutrality” as it relates directly to the premise of “the danger and sham” that has helped facilitate “the rise of Trump.”
From the article:
In other words, the article isn’t about Trump, per se, it’s about this specific paradigm of the “Danger and Sham of Compelled Journalistic “Neutrality” which is, you know, the title of the article that we’re commenting on.
To which you’ll likely reply something to the effect that “he’s talking about Bush, blah, blah blah, not Trump here!” to which I’ll just remind you that reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong suit, particularly when it comes to articles written by Glenn – or to comments made by me.
Thanks.
If so, neither you nor anyone else here has been able to cite three, or even one from our “objective” establishment media.
Hi Mona
“…..If so, neither you nor anyone else here has been able to cite three, or even one from our “objective” establishment media…..”
Certainly if NPR is “establishment” media, the New York Times and the Washington Post qualify. I cited three (adversarial) journalists who denounced Trump in both of those publications in a two day period. You are wrong Mona – unless you have a different definition for main stream media?
For the sixth time Mona:
“……. Greenwald uses NPR as an example concerning Trump. What other media outlets are examples of neutrality [on the coverage of] Trump? After all, Greenwald extends this concept of “neutral” journalism to the entire media……”
These denouncements came early and often. They are at the hands of publications that never said a cross word about him until he challenged the globalist left construct.
It has made insidious collectivist gains that it is not going to give up without unleashing screaming hell.
The most vocal are corporate left, dark occultist controlled.
Yanno, Glenn banned you about six times, and you finally stayed gone for a long time. But defending Leader Trump has lured you back to spew tons more garbage about Satanic plots, brainwahsed sex kittens, and all the other insane stuff you read at Infowars and by unhinged, gun-wielding felons.
Won’t you please go away again?
You have the power to ban him/her Mona
I’ve asked you once to stop saying that, as it is not true. If it were, he’d already be gone.
It is true Mona. Just whine to Glenn!! again. insert yourself into conversations again when he replies to a post as if he’s never done so before.
“Public Radio and Federal Funding
“Federal funding is essential to public radio’s service to the American public. Its continuation is critical for both stations and program producers, including NPR.”
http://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-finances
And through this need, NPR has been completely subverted. It used to be a source of hard-hitting adversarial journalism. Now it is a purveyor of pablum and propaganda, completely at the mercy of the regime, and seemingly happy to be so.
actually, glenn— murrow paid a price for his denunciation of senator mccarthy. although CBS didn’t fire him outright, they wound up yanking him from prime-time, essentially cutting him off at the knees as a mainstream journalistic influence. i’m sure you and your other readers already know the reason— murrow pissed off too many sponsors who threatened to yank their ads from CBS programming unless something was done about him.
US media’s problem is not that they are too objective, it is that they are too biased.
The example you used about the NYT and NPR refusal to use the word torture does not show objectivity, it show biasness. The media is biased towards those in power.
I think you flatter them when you criticize them for being too objective or neutral. They love this criticism. Unfortunately it is not true.
What do we really know about “participant observation” as cultural anthropology would call it, or the contradictions of the “prime directive” as Star Trek would call it. Journalist are people as your saying Glenn, and people love to play power games with “taking sides” or not on anything they report or believe. It’s a passive aggressive trait, used to dodge commitment (never be pinned down to a view so you can change it when necessary and when it’s to your advantage and ego) and to of course, always push an agenda, whether personal or corporate. The bottom line is who and what gets hurt in the end. Truth is never the point in journalism, as subjectivity and individual prisms of an individual taint even that. It’s the idea that something can be said or done that will stop oppression or violence, yet in the end it seems that only behind the scene power deals, and empathetic or sympathetic laws and calls of civility, can be brought about through force or financial manipulation. Apathy grows to a point, and then the media and the governments lose control, as they are now, scramble for it back, and in the end control us for their benefit. The laws of mitigation, and flexibility in the control, are the only things that matter to them. Manipulation of the people by journalists, for a system and status quo, is the end game. Journalists declaring opinions or not means nothing without revolution.
I kind of wonder if the “media liberal bias” narrative the Republicans have been pushing for decades is part of this too- news outfits are so terrified of being delegitimized by that label that they give the right a pass on its bullshit in order to appear impartial, thus giving them license to spew even more bullshit.
What kind of cognitive dissonance is required to write such a ludacris article. The media has consistently attacked trump headlines like “Trump refuses to disavow kkkl” when he disavowed them many many times. The media can’t stop Trump because American’s now realize that the media lies about practically everything so their constant attacks on trump are ignored. Let’s see the media announce Bernie as a former communist or communist supporter. Glen this is shameful pandering.
@glenn-greenwald: ‘As Jack Shafer documented in 2013, those who claim that journalism has always been grounded in neutrality demonstrate “a painful lack of historical understanding of American journalism.”‘
I suspect GG is missing a spatial dimension to the US journalistic norm for “neutrality” or “objectivity” (or lack thereof): it has *never* been applied beyond US borders, and certainly is not now. Any reasonably competent consumer of US corporate-funded media can easily observe that its “foreign correspondents” are unable or (more likely) unwilling to *not* tell their US audiences exactly who the “good guys” and “bad guys” are, and exactly what policies foreigners should/not pursue. It’s really quite naked. Domestically-focused reporting typically erects at least a screen of “balance” and “fairness,” but foreign reporting (with very few exceptions) dispenses with this façade.
Which makes me quite skeptical regarding the actual strength of this “norm,” given its selective deployment. Am I missing something?
Exactly. Also anyone accustomed to consuming news from other parts of the world, or even reading American journalism of the past knows, there’s no such thing as objectivity in journalism. It’s a modern American concoction of BS. It’s the imitation of Fox News’ “Fair and Balanced.” Somehow, and I don’t know how, Fox News set the standard, and everybody followed.
It’s the imitation of Fox News’ “Fair and Balanced.”
Are you really that naïve? That is not mean to be a literal application of the term to their “news”, but means that they will provide the ‘other side of the story’ – the conservative side – therefore providing a “fair and balanced” alternative to the usual liberal-leaning viewpoint.
Jeez.
Which would be fine, except that too many Fox journalists aren’t fact-based. Some are nutty.
Unlike Juan Thompson.
The Intercept fired Juan Thompson and repudiated his fabrications. Some at Fox peddle fabrications and lunacy as standard operating procedure.
Not fast enough.
Robert McChesney on the development of “objectivity” in American journalism, the decline of print journalism and the rise of corporate media, and many other things. https://goo.gl/AoOp3k
In defense of NPR, they are funded by the government and it would not be right for them to take sides politically. The Rush Limbaughs of the world have been complaining for years that NPR is left wing propoganda. It is important to not give him cause to substantiate that claim. NPR should continue to be as objective as possible. But they certainly can present both sides of the story. And one side of the story could show Donald Trump making outrageous and racist comments. Then the viewers can judge for themselves. And if the viewer has half a brain they can realize that there is something very wrong with this man.
American Journalism has created a fiction called “both sides of the story.” Sometimes a story has more than one side, three or four sides. But the idea that EVERY story has more than one side is fiction, conjured up by modern American Journalism. What pray tell is the “both sides” of Nazism, of Pol Pot, of Stalinism? What is “both sides” of Donald Trump. And no, I’m not comparing Trump to a Nazi.
Seriously?
I think Trump is a fascist, and even I can discern both sides of Donald Trump. And of all those isms you mentioned. Every story has at minimum two sides. Of course, one side is always more equal than the other.
In refuting that defense, the facts do matter, as NPR is funded only partially by our government (about six percent of total revenue). From the link:
The article is about what journalism has quite recently become in the world of mostly corporately controlled media, this, despite such lofty mission statements as NPR itself claims it adheres to:
The article clearly shows us the true meaninglessness of the statements made by most mainstream media institutions today – that under the guise of “neutrality” and “objectivity” – these institutions that claim to serve the general public’s interests are serving their institutionalized interests, instead.
Thanks SillyPutty. I didn’t want to have to make that point yet again.
“Neutered,” you say? So America’s peerless free press is actually a pairless free press? How very eunuch.
Sorry.
Mr Greenwald,
Could you please explain what is the problem that you see with Mr Donald Trump that you don’t see in the rest? He is the only one who is telling the truth, and given the name-calling that they have mutually indulged in, it is preposterous that you should absolve all the other of deceit and treachery. You are being biased against one candidate just because you dislike his demeanor, which we all do but still he is better than all the others put together.
-H
Skipped history class, eh?
TRUMP’s detractors today:
No one can blame TRUMP for failed previous and current government failures.
Voter rejected politicians, who consistently failed to deliver on their promises, and who can’t attract voter support, are now stating they won’t support TRUMP, if he is elected president. REALLY! What ever happened to democracy in America! This is without question, treason! Good to know. Informed Voting Americans value their hard fought for freedoms and they will never vote for these proclaimed traitors.
A GOP contested TRUMP nomination is both undemocratic and an affront to the American Voting Process, and last but not least, it will cost the GOP party the senate, as well as the presidency.
Now Obama ignores his presidential responsibilities to remain impartial! He just can’t help himself. Obama’s hatred for TRUMP has destroyed his better judgement. Now who isn’t acting presidential!
TRUMP today faces Corrupt Elitist Politicians, at the highest levels, who are actively participating in covert plans which send bought and paid for protesters to attend and riot at TRUMP rallies. Their corrupt elitist controlled establishment puppet politicians, with media crony support, then read their prepared staged scripts blaming TRUMP for their paid for riots. They do protest too much. YA THINK!
TRUMP’s opponents of every party affiliation have finally admitted their supporters are attending and rioting at TRUMP rallies but they say they can’t control them and they won’t try to stop them either. The Republic and Democratic Parties and now Obama, acting President of the United States, are actively participating in dividing Americans and fueling civil unrest and inciting riots, not TRUMP.
Americans are also aware countries around the world are today using TRUMP’s mitigating threat proposals to address their countries catastrophic situations. These choices speak volumes to the value other countries must place on TRUMP’s proposals. The EU and other countries are in a downward spiral of devastation and destruction. Informed Americans know that unless America addresses their problems today they will become exactly like these other countries tomorrow. Staying the course is not an option. The only politician with a path through these very real threats to America today is TRUMP.
American voters aren’t as dumb as these corrupt politicians think they are but these corrupt politicians are a lot dumber than they think they are. TRUMP’s fastest growing voting support today is now coming from millions of legal immigrant minorities of every party affiliation and yes, democrats. ALL Informed American Voters would prefer to have more than one choice for their president but these corrupt politician clowns are leaving voters with only one choice, and that choice today is TRUMP.
It is now clear to ALL Informed American Voters that this political corruption goes all the way up to the White House. The only way, and the right way, out of this political nightmare for America and ALL Americans are for the guilty, and these corrupt politicians know who they are, to own up to their corrupt actions, apologize publically and insist that their corrupt supporters stop these criminal rioting activities immediately. Considering the superiority complex of these corrupt elitist establishment politicians, the odds are slim to none that this will ever happen. Today these establishment elitist old-boys clubs are killing AMERICA for ALL AMERICANS, not TRUMP.
SO NOW WHAT! The truth is obvious to all and it can no longer be denied and it must not be ignored. It’s up to the every American voter to individually send letters demanding public apologies are made by the obvious and clearly known guilty corrupt politicians ASAP. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE NOW!! Americans who care about America can handle the truth and do what is right for America and ALL Americans. The real challenge here is, can these guilty corrupt politicians ever be made to think about America first and not themselves first! They must be made to understand that if they refuse to act they will be forfeiting the presidency to he only honest politician who thinks about America first; TRUMP.
America haters hate Trump.That’s for sure.And in effect Trump is saying my country has been wrong,or at least on the wrong track,and he will correct it,a long way from my country right or wrong,which is the hell bitches domain,as she is the defender of the evil realm.
Writing letters of protest will get you zilch. When the plebes pick up their pitchforks and march on Washington change you can believe in will happen .
2010 Harvard study on NYT biased usage of term “torture”:
“In The New York Times, 85.8% of articles (28 of 33) that dealt with a country other than the United States using waterboarding called it torture or implied it was torture while only 7.69% (16 of 208) did so when the United States was responsible. The Los Angeles Times characterized the practice as torture in 91.3% of articles (21 of 23) when another country was the violator, but in only 11.4% of articles (9 of 79) when the United States was the perpetrator.”
Harvard: [https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/4420886]
Saw a remake of M(51)the other night.In it the mob tortured some security guard to gather info on people in building so as to silence an alarm.It worked immediately.Another scene the cop says give me 10 minutes and he’ll say his mother did it.(which of course shows a failure of torture)Torture,is and has been an American proclivity.The shrub and Obomba just institutionalized it.
I guarantee somewhere right now,we are torturing someone.
If not now, when? If not us, who? At least it’s in the hands of respectable people with pristine motives.
I wonder if Trump does get the GOP nod, if he’ll turn his media moment w/all of his: Books, Steaks, Wine, Hotels, Magazine surrounding him as he accepts. I believe this am Democracy Now! showed a clip where he was on stage w/all of his ‘material accomplishments’ on display and that’s actually all he talked about . It was liken to a infomercial.
People who are seen supporting Trump all look like they’re coming out; out of the years of quietly/silently suffering. Tea Party?
Good opinion piece Mr. Greenwald
Some yes,but a lot is from independents,to whom party affiliation,in this age of duopolist BS,means nothing,and scares the hell out of the neolibcon ideologues in both parties,as we hate them.:)
M? Lai Massacre ring a bell? We headed where the sun don’t shine? I hope that I’m wrong. NAILED IT GLENN!
Hey,knucklehead,we just droned,bombed or missile-ed 150 people to death(with unknown other casualties) the other day in Somalia,and we don’t even know who they were.
Do you get it?
This is why they hate US.
Trump is the only guy to say Yankee come home.please.The world says Yankee go home.I mean?
As I have said before the My Lai massacre was just one of almost daily massacres committed by the US military in the Vietnam war. Read the superbly researched book by Nick Turse, Kill anything that moves. Thousands of Vietnamese civilians including women and children were murdered, and then called in as Vietcom. The leadership of the US military issued coo rate style targets and incentivized troops to increase body counts. Many war crimes were covered up and hidden despite being initially investigated and the US media did nothing to assist in revealing the truth about the war crimes, and heneous atrocities being committed. In fact if it wasn’t for the work of the great investigative journalist Seymour Hersh the World would never have even heard about The My Lai massacre which you mention. Finally now Nick Turse’s book has rewritten the history books and put the record straight detailing the numerous massacres and war crimes committed by America.
GG is overy optimistics: the “official press” is not neutral. Trump’s success is not the reflection of a too neutral press, but rather that the press uses the politically correctness ad nauseum! So when Trumps discloses publicly what’s behind the curtain, even if he participated in that, poeple support him: best a known ill than an unknown ill. How to not see truth when he says that “Israel won’t buy me” or “I can t be corrupted as I am already a billionnaire”: it’s a sad truth, he’s crude and he’s not a dreamer ( Sanders), but at least he’s not constantly lying. This is a lot more credible than Clinton pretending all the millions she received from wall street, big pharma, sionist lobby and other hidden groups don’t influence her decisions..
It is because of the clintons, GOP dinausors and press’s partiality that the atmosphere became so anti-establishment, in turns becoming anti-intellectual. The more the “elite” hit on trump, the stronger he becomes. The more he talks about taboos such as immigration, latinos and muslims, feminism, corruption of politicians and medias, the more he is appealing.
I hope this election will be the implosion of the establishment that would call the end of the dynasties with a final between Trump and Sanders (with a larger Sanders victory!!)
In a sense that’s true. He’s practicing the art of bullshit.
Do read the whole thing: Donald Trump Is Not a Liar – He’s something worse: a bullshit artist.
1 “GG is overy optimistics: [sic] the “official press” is not neutral. ”
Let me get this one — GG knows this already. GG is not claiming actual neutrality exists. However, news organizations DO claim it is their standard, and they use it when they want to. Which makes it all the more insidious.
2 “”at least [Trump’s] not constantly lying”
Perhaps you are too used to the convoluted falsity of, say, Hillary Clinton. Trump is so “constantly lying” — he just does it in short, declarative, memorable phrases, then blatantly contradicts himself whenever he’s in the mood, and if somebody points it out to him, he’ll tell a few more whoppers along with some petty insults and maybe a threat or two.
“at least he’s not constantly lying.”
If the fact that in every speech and interview Trump gives he makes up 100% verifiable lies doesn’t constitute “constant lying”, then you either don’t believe truth matters (truth and facts being nothing more than “political correctness ad nauseum”) or you agree so much with the sentiment behind his vile, grotesque lies that you pretend he’s not lying.
Either way, no one (including Hillary Clinton who I cannot stand & would never vote for) lies anywhere near as much as Donald Trump who is the very definition of a pathological liar.
OK, first and foremost: I don’t support him and it would be a disaster of he was president. However, we must understand why people vote for this guy. GG blames the press and I blame also the media, but not for the same reason (to me, it’s not neutrality, but their elite class-belonging that disconnect them)
I maintain that Trump is not per se a lyer and that’s why poeple vote for him. truth have several layers: Trump is definitely lying all the time in the sense of verifiable facts, chiefly because he is clueless about everything and secondly out of bad faith. This is indeed bullshitting (thanks -Mona-), although not so much intended I believe.. he’s actually more of a clown.
However, poeple think (maybe rightly) that he doesn’t lie about who’s interests he is going to defend: the declining US white middle class. He’s also denouncing other’s lies by mocking how they run after money in their fund-raising comedy (benefiting a lot from citizen united..). Trumps voters trust he’s willing to defend them, that he has no hidden agenda (and no agenda at all actually), that he has no “political correctness” that would impede him from movement, and that if he’s certainly clueless, but can still be able to pick a good team. I am maybe too hopeful, but I don’t believe that people voting for him really want a wall with Mexico or ban US entry based on faith: trump vote is a protest vote: he is the only “right wing” politician who is not bought
No one believes serial liars of the Bush areas who lied about WMD and created ISIS. And everybody knows Clinton’s only allegiance is to wall street, the military industry and Israel. As polls show: the only one that can defeat Trump is Sanders!
You have said both, “at least he’s not constantly lying” and “Trump is definitely lying all the time”.
Those are two extremely contradictory statements.
But aside from that –
The fact that Trump has hoodwinked some percentage of Americans to inexplicably believe that “he’s willing to defend them”or work for them and somehow restore some lost, indefinable “greatness” to the United States is astonishing for what it says about the naivete and gullibility of his supporters. He has shown absolutely nothing in his lifetime to indicate he would ever do ANYTHING for anyone other but himself.
Common sense tells you that, as a narcissist, Trump couldn’t care less about the American people or “American greatness”. His campaign is a reality show on steroids. And considering his tangential relationship to this country, he might as well be the Sultan of Bahrain: he has never had to earn a living, look for a job, make ends meet, balance a checkbook, pay rent, buy groceries, worry about medical expenses, deal with the consequences of financial hardships, etc., etc., or do ANYTHING to make his way in this world. It’s all a fictional fantasy-land to him where no matter how colossally he fucks up financially, all his fuck-ups are absolved by the horrible “government” his supporters despise because he was born into the 1%.
The bottom line is Trump has no idea how to earn a living or live in the United States, yet the naive simpletons that would vote for him see a self-made man who cares deeply about America.
Despite the fact that he does not have the mental capacity or work ethic to be president and would delegate everything to others so that he could continue reality-show life of leisure, for people to see in him some savior who will work on their behalf solely because he spews hate-filled, bigoted, misogynistic, juvenile horseshit that they agree with (or, as his supporters call it, “he’s not PC!”), speaks volumes for the anti-intellectual stupidity of his throng.
I tried to explain the 2 different lies levels..
You are despising those millions of voters.. I am trying to understand them and get a sense of their choice. If they are aware of who he is: they must feel really helpless to resort to that kind of man. But my opinion is that most people don’t see the man you describe, but rather the one I describe: a clown who speaks frankly the real language of politics (money) and will increase the level of protectionism of the nation and will stop the terrible foreign US policy.
Truth is: politics has become a TV show.. and he’s just very good at that. But who made politics a TV show? How comes we vote for people and not for ideas? Partly because of the media. Partly because politicians (sanders apart) don’t defend any idea, but their network and their lobbies (see Clinton for that idea pushed to its extreme). With disenchantment sky-rocketing and politician looking for always more money from lobbies (thx to citizen united and scalia, I p*ss on his tomb) Trump has the undeniable advantage of not having any lobby, except his own madness. What sane poeple would vote for Bush who got 150 millions from generous donors to kick off his his campaign?
he has never had to earn a living, look for a job, make ends meet, balance a checkbook, pay rent, buy groceries, worry about medical expenses, deal with the consequences of financial hardships, etc., etc., or do ANYTHING to make his way in this world
Luther: You may have stumbled on something there as in.. aren’t most current politicians in that category? In other words, many politicians seem to be from a priviledged background. And really are out of touch with common reality. It costs just too damn much money to be in politics.
Hillary lies as much.
And she’s dangerous, but not as dangerous as Trump. No one should vote for either.
Outstanding comments today, il duce. You almost wholly dropped the satire when Glenn almost wholly dropped sense and sensibility. Whoever you are, you are a capable intellect. Much love to you.
Thanks !
I should have added though how much Trump mocked the media by saying if he doesn’t show up to a debate, they loose millions.. he won that name-saying brawl with fox because he is saying the name of the game : MONEY.. that’s the sad truth nobody talks about. And only a clown like him can publicly make a fool of himself and still be applauded. Only the jester can laugh at king-money with impunity. This is the key to his success.
It is not often that Mr. Greenwald presents a deliberately flawed argument. He has previously documented in great detail that the largest media outlets exist to exclude any points of view which are not embraced by one or both of the two mainstream parties. He therefore recognizes their neutrality is a pose, and does not actually constrain them from combatting evil – as defined by any view outside the mainstream.
What makes Trump so threatening that mainstream journalists should abandon their submission to power as encapsulated in their basic principle of neutrality? It basically comes down to the argument that Trump must be stopped because Trump Supporters. This is the same argument that the Democratic establishment makes against Sanders – he must be stopped because BernieBros.
In other words, the real danger is ordinary Americans. Every journalist has a duty to actively oppose this menace.
In other words, the real danger is ordinary Germans or Italians in 1932. Every journalist had a duty to actively oppose that menace.
I don’t see a parallel. Germany and Italy were countries that wanted an Empire. This was unfortunate for the rest of the world.
Americans on the other hand are tired of paying for their empire and want out. So the consequences for the rest of the world are less severe.
How is that distinction relevant? Internal menaces are, well, also menaces.
How the hell is an American for America an internal menace?A guy who wants to help the American working man,and recreate American sovereignty,which has been eroded by Zionism into a helpless thug thrashing at zionist created ghosts, he’s the menace?
Yeah,some of his rhetoric is pandering to martial nuts,but compared to the HB and her monsters hah.And Sanders has colluded with empire and zion many times,cast lead being one his most disgusting jibes of BS regarding reality there.
The Zionists saying Trump is the racist is about as absurd as one can get.
I’m not a Zionist. And I neither know nor care whether Trump is personally a racist. He functions as one and cultivates racism among an angry and economically distressed population. Both sociology and history tell us that such populations are eager for scapegoats. Trump is providing them and granting permission for overt hatred.
Mona,you and I are small potatoes.The MSM splashes racist Trump all day every day,from actual racist fox,to multicultural champions MSNBC,a cacophony of BS from the actual racist zionists.
Calling illegal immigrants illegal is not hatred.If Americans were flooding Mexico for their jobs American heads would be catapulted across the border.Please.Your disdain for the unwashed as threatening ignorant’s is elitist BS,as the threat is from poison ivy league corruption infecting our honor and Constitution.
It’s not disdain. It’s comprehension of the darker side of human societies. The “masses” have behaved with awful judgment and abominably throughout history. In Germany, in Italy and France.
Donald Trump doesn’t give a flying fuck about the Constitution. He wants to erode the 1st amendment by making it “easier” to sue journalists. He advocates torture. He’s no friend to Black Lives Matter (their legitimate grievances implicate much of the Bill of Rights). He spews foul garbage about “Mexican rapists.”
He’s pandering to the basest prejudices and impulses in human beings. This can be very successful for certain charismatic leaders in particular times. Truth is quite literally irrelevant to him.
He’s dangerous.
It’s relevant to those living outside the USA. Those living inside have the right to bear arms and protect themselves.
The distinction is irrelevant to my point as conveyed in my initial reply to you.
Then why did the left embrace the Socialist Workers Party?
Oh, it’s either you again, or a kindred spirit from the same asylum.
Donald Trump as president would represent a major threat to the Global Elite or New World Order zealots and their feudal Utopia. He wants to audit the Federal Reserve. He might begin using the office of the Attorney
General to pursue the many crimes that have due to status been exempt. He would not sign on to any more outrageous trade agreements. Etc. Sanders by contrast is a minor threat. And Hilary is no threat at all. Because he is not a member of one of their (criminal) organizations, does not feature in a pedophile video or the like, etc. he might begin doing things for the USA and its citizens. He might take guns back from the Education Dept. and even the BLM. Trump as president would rival Russia and China as a threat to the Elite. They have a real emergency such as not seen since Kennedy. Already there may be some crazy guy being trained as a lone gunman! If you love the Elite then you must fight Trump.
Being a journalist is something like being a used car salesman and an attorney when it comes to the truth. The Intercept like the Real News Network wants to keep a foot in the MSM world and one in the alternative realm. A really active journalistic community would never have gone along with Oswald the lone gunman or with Atoms For Peace. It depends on the life style one wishes to lead. Cronkite and Murrow did okay financially, whereas others who probed touchy areas could not even find jobs after a while. Presently we have quite a few touchy topics: 9/11, the trade deals, Hilary Clinton’s behavior in office, Syria and ISIS, Obama’s origins and parentage, the prediential eligibility of Cruz and Rubio, etc. Most of the articles by our leading journalists are boring because they want to stay in good standing with the money and status.
Don’t begrudge Trump a AAA Pathological Status! “Not accepting responsibility” is Trump’s hallmark. Trump asserts infallibility for an error-free ego. Prideful Trump claims he watched 2,000 Muslims celebrating on TV following after 911. Although this was never televised, Trump insists that he saw it. Trump in-his-mind does not make mistakes. Same goes for Obama’s legal US birth certificate, Trump will not admit that he was mistaken. We need to understand that Trump is never responsible and never makes mistakes. That is the Trump brand.
Glen once again you have show incredible conceptual understanding delivered with elegant style.
I would like to formally nominate Glen Greenwald for then next Supreme Court Judge.
Do they have Private Eye in America? Classic OBN.
The lack of objectivity would be more dangerous than the partiality that Greenwald is promoting. Greenwald does not hide his anti Americanism. Can the public count on him to present the whole story so they can make the proper decision?
Greenwald’s quotes:
“Another is that Chávez used the nation’s oil resources to attempt to improve the lives of the nation’s most improverished while Abdullah used his to further enrich Saudi oligarchs and western elites.”
He carefully portrayed Chavez as a honest politician and Abdullah as a corrupt monarch. The fact: both were reportedly corrupt, and both gave huge amount of money to improve the lives of many nations’ impoverished. Chavez focused his aids on Latin American and Abdullah focused his on the Muslim world including refugees in Iraq.
“That means that Syria becomes the 7th predominantly Muslim country bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate Barack Obama—after Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Iraq.”
In that article Greenwald carefully avoids mentioning that ISIS has been conducting genocide in Iraq and Syria when Obama decided to bomb them. He is clearly suggesting that the US is bombing Syria because it is a Muslim country. A rational individual would not have the same reaction if his government decides to bomb a nation it accuses of possessing nuclear weapons without compelling evidence and when his government says it will bomb an organization that commits genocide publicly.
“With all due respect to the great cartoonist Ann Telnaes, it is simply not the case that Charlie Hebdo “were equal opportunity offenders.””
In that article he portrayed Charlie Hebdo as an anti Muslim newspaper. Statistically Charlie Hebdo has not been an equal opportunity offender. But most of Charlie Hebdo offensive cartoons were directed towards Christianity not Islam. From 2005 to 2015 only 1.5% of CH top issues cartoons were directed towards Muslims. Nearly 55% of the religious sections were directed towards Christianity. Nearly 86% of CH religious sections were directed at Christianity and other religions. How can a “journalist” portray CH as an anti Muslim paper while 86% of its offensive sections are dedicated to other religions?
http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2015/02/24/non-charlie-hebdo-n-est-pas-obsede-par-l-islam_4582419_3232.html
Would it be better for the public to have all the data to make the appropriate judgment or to rely on partial journalists like Greenwald who carefully avoid crucial data in order to bolster his views?
Glenn definitely often spins the details to support the view he espouses. He was regularly on shaky ground in his op-eds about Charlie Hebdo. His comparison of Chavez with Abdullah was not as you portray it, however. His intent in making a comparison was to counter US propaganda that targeted only Chavez; he made it clear that Chavez was merely no worse than Abdullah. Very few Americans are fooled in re the despotism of the KSA and the comparison worked effectively to blunt neocon efforts to gin up aggression against Chavez — without somehow painting Chavez as a saint.
It’s always a pleasure to watch Greenwald afflict the comfortable haut doyens of the neocon establishment. They — your fellow travelers — have drained America of many hundreds of billions of dollars over the past 15 years. Ruined its standing within the international community, and fattened their own bank accounts. Destroyed tens to hundreds of thousands of lives.
They do so deserve the Donald. The rest of us….. not so much.
What Fluffy said, altho I wouldn’t say Glenn “often” spins details. It’s relatively seldom, but annoying when he does. I certainly agree that aspects of his Charlie Hebdo columns were quite flawed.
Virulent pathogens sometimes require drastic remedies.
No,Trump aint a Bolshevik.Their descendants are the pathogen.
“he made it clear that Chavez was merely no worse than Abdullah.”
That is false. I am not sure you even read that article. Greenwald rarely points the finger at demagogues or human right violators that the US does not deal with. Greenwald loves freedom of speech, but when the US does not deal with Cuba that restricts freedom of speech he calls the embargo “criminal”. You really believe he would call a US embargo against Israel “criminal”?
Whatever else you believe, you can’t tell me a democratically elected leader is equivalent to an unelected King who beheads people, on the basis that both have been accused of corruption. Why does the US establishment revere the unelected king, and despises a populist president? Let’s not pretend it has to do with anything other than imperialist ambition and economic/development models.
US position with regards to either Chavez, or Abdullah is not the point here. Was Chavez reportedly corrupt? Yes. Was Abdullah reportedly corrupt? Yes. Did both provide millions to impoverished nations? Yes.
Greenwald carefully portrayed Chavez as the elected leader who was giving oil money to the poor and Abdullah as the unelected leader who was enriching himself. Both enriched themselves and both helped the poor. As a matter of fact Abdullah gave more money to other nations than Chavez did.
That is the problem with partial journalists. They do not provide the whole story because the whole story might alter the position they want to promote.
Simply alerting readers that this person is a troll who has been banned repeatedly using other account names. He gets most things wrong in his endless quest to depict Glenn Greenwald as all manner of bad things.
He’s so well-informed that he recently cited a specific bill that died in a congressional committee as the legal authority for military action in Somolia:
S.1745 never passed to become law, and even on its own terms does not authorize military action in Somalia (it would have authorized military assistance, of the sort we provide to, say, Israel, which does not include our armed forces fighting for Israel). When told this, this person rambled on about other bills that also do not authorize military action in Somalia.
He’s a troll and I do not substantively engage him. I recommend this course to others.
Obviously, your attempt to portray me as a troll is not working. Neither your lies about me being banned. You are laughable now. You wish you were a moderator who could ban, delete everything somebody who disagrees with you write here.
Let me write it again. Mona is a complete idiot who does not understand statistics, international law, and more importantly does not even understand laws passed by Congress.
Keep repeating the bill, which I acknowledged was not enacted does not change the fact that you are an idiot.
When Congress authorizes military support for Israel to build its missile technology it recognizes the fact that US military personnel would have to be in Israel to provide that assistance.
When Congress passed a law authorizing the executive to train, provide logistics support and operation support to Somali Forces, that means US troops will be there and obviously they will be targeted by the enemy of Somali Forces. I just discover you do not even understand what the word military operational support means. Idiot, indeed.It is as if you are brain damaged. Operational support means support them militarily in their operations.
That was the original point you annoying troll.
My point was not whether the US should have supported Chavez or Abdullah. As a taxpayer you can demand that your government supports or does not support whomever you want. My point was whether Greenwald in his partial, activist journalism provided the reader the whole story about who Chavez and Abdullah were. The taxpayer must know the whole story to decide which government his leaders should support. Greenwald has demonstrated many times that activist journalism avoids the whole story. That makes it less reliable than objectivity.
Since you are his supporter then you cannot accept that obvious fact.
If you believe I am a troll, then my suggestion is to follow Mona’s advice: ignore my comments. Just be aware that I am in no obligation to ignore your comments and I am certainly under no obligation to be nice to you. So, as usual you prove again that you are an idiot.
wait…”twitter essay”?
anyhoo, people still expecting “journalism” from corporate/mainstream media are too far gone for you to help them. the iraq war should have been the nadir and eventual death knell of the bingo callers but alas…here we are with “moderate rebels” and bernie sanders described as “far left” or “socialist”.
it is slightly interesting to see how many media cock-ups are the result of omission as opposed to commission. for every propaganda piece there are probably 10 stories being actively and willingly ignored.
Great article! I love the intercept, I keep it open at work all the time. Thanks for keeping us updated on current events! you are the man glenn! Keppp up the good work, its bitchin!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has anyone ever seen Wolf Blitzer smile?
NPR = Fox News for the left.
No. It’s Fox News for Neoliberals.
Objectivity is dead.
I have no idea what a twitter essay is, or why such a thing would even be attempted, although I would imaging that it’s like painting on the head of a pin. It’s not the end result that is impressive, but taking something completely insane and playing it totally straight. What is impressive is the commitment to the bit. Like Andy Kaufman.
This is comedy. This is how it’s done. Commitment to the bit.
With that said, Glenn is spot on.
Amorality is immorality in a business suit.
In the same way that democracy is fundamentally a statement that god is dead, objectivity, at its foundation, is the assertion that God is very much alive…and speaking through me.
Subjectivity is the creation of individual morality. The greatest act of creation and blasphemy. Like democracy, subjectivity fundamentally asserts that god is dead.
Objectivity is God’s view. Never to be attained but always strived for. Uncontaminated by human sin and imperfection. Objectivity is not a confession, but a lecture. Objectivity is inhuman. Anti-human. Objectivity is a condemnation of humanity, and like god, this is why it is popular among some people.
Morality cannot exist beyond humanity.
You guys should read the exchange between Glenn and Keller. It’s very fun to see this guy bluntly and baselesly deny that the NYT and other mainstream media outlets operate with nationalistic assumptions and proclivities to protect the powerful while at the same time trying to justify the NYT’s decision to suppress the Bush-is-spying-on-everyone story until after the 2004 election by citing the most cliche and overly used phrase that an American government official uses when trying to exculpate himself from any wrong doing: national security. It’s also really funny how he doesn’t address the point that Glenn raises about how mainstream media institutions refuse to describe torture as torture only when it is performed by the United States government.
I think that the only relatively sound point that Keller raised in the entire exchange is the point about how Fox News, because it doesn’t hide its opinions and because it openly expresses its political values and assumptions, presents an often skewed version of the truth. While this is true, that Fox News does take a partisan approach, and that their version of “journalism” does not care that much about accuracy, the reason Fox News is a garbage news outlet is not because they are open and honest about their political leanings, but because they are not honest and accurate about the facts they present, and because their version of adversarial journalism is not concerned with keeping the powerful in check, but with unfairly and dishonestly suppressing the powerless.
Keep up the good shit Glenn.
Thanks for your comment. Always interested in your POV.
Thanks Glenn a thought provoking piece for me as an englishman, we are suffering with the same problem in our own media the BBC being a prime example, but like many other things in our society the establishment has had a very long time to embed this attitude and we may never fully see the light.
Ironically, the only real meaningful reason why many news outlets don’t allow their “urinalists” to vent their spleen is because of the well-known fact that news and entertainment are so much intertwined. Ever since the start of commercial radio in 1921, the entertainment sponsors have called the shots for almost the entire network. Occasionally, you’ll get an Ed Murrow, Walter Cronkite or Tom Brokaw to push back – sometimes a lot, sometimes even at the expense of their career (re: Murrow).
To parse whether something is or someone has an opinion, commentary or a stand-alone viewpoint is besides the fact; I think we’ve crossed the Rubicon on this one. I mean, a Bill O’Reilly can spew crap for miles and we know what side his network’s on; why can’t someone at NPR? Sometimes, especially when people are fishing for answers, they would be pleased if someone at NPR proffered an opinion that they could glom on to. Not the way I go through my critical thinking process, but it’s a start.
And to keep on the tail of NPR for one more thing: for a network that brands itself as independent and free-thinking, it sure does a lot of selling of stuff during those timely breaks during “Fresh Air” or the “Diane Rehm Show.” And don’t think for a second that the stuff they’re pushing doesn’t have an agenda of its own. C’mon mass media, you’ve let the horse out of the barn. Close the door behind him and let him eat his hay.
What is journalism? And how do we recognize a journalist?
It’s hard to believe that anyone would accept something said by Bill O’Reilly or Sean Hannity, or by Chris Matthews or Lawrence O’Donnell, as journalism. All ‘talking heads’ are entertainers whose job it is to attract eyes and ratings.
Cokie Roberts is no more a journalist than any of these guys. In her role as commentator, she is an entertainer, whether her words are written or spoken.
So I get why Big Media is so averse to real journalism. Big Media is Big Business, as Greenwald says, so why would anyone be surprised that ratings and profits are most important?
But I strongly disagree with Greenwald that media reporting lacks opinion. It’s all opinion! The talking heads above wouldn’t have a job if their ‘reporting’ had no opinion-slant. When Cokie Roberts published her opinion column, she did nothing more (or less) than any other reporter, print or broadcast.
Read ANY columnist. Watch ANY talking head. It’s hard to find a sentence that isn’t opinion.
What we NEED is less opinion and more fact. More genuine reporting, as we once got from Murrow…who, by the way, was reporting fact in his coverage of the McCarthy Hearings. I don’t want to hear Bill O’Reilly’s opinion about a news item; I want to hear about the news item. I’ll come up with my own opinion about it.
But most Americans…the huge majority…don’t have time for that. They need to be told what to think, they need to have an opinion to parrot…or they are unable to have a position on any topic. That is what Big Media does. Opinion is the lifeblood of Big Media. Big Media companies compete for the minds and opinions and voices of Americans.
There is no such thing as journalism anymore. It has been replaced by opinion-slant. There are no journalists in Big Media. They are all writers/commentators of opinion, their own and their Big Media employer’s.
Greenwald has never remotely said media reporting lacks opinion. He’s insisted that the total opposite is true.
That’s the gist of it: that those who actually have a viewpoint (modified to suit whoever pays them) make the claim they don’t under the aegis of “objectivity” and/or “neutrality.”
By doing so, these folks attempt to secure the moral high-ground in the talking point business by fiat – not by persuasion.
Most politicians now follow this same formula, as well.
Cowards, all. Lying cowards, in my view.
Well, I do agree with many other that this is one strange presidential election year. As to my explanation, I can’t help but believe it’s the result of the impact of Mr. Obama’s performance these past 8 years. ymmv
Me too. If Mr. Obama’s regime had prosecuted (ideally w/ unequivocal media support) a few of Mr. Bush’s Torture Squad I would bet the house at Trump’s Casino no one would hear Mr. Trump talking about bringing back “waterboarding … and a whole lot worse.”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/03/credible-account-says-clinton-behind-violent-protests-trump-rallies.html
I hate to tell you this, but MoveOn.org is a Sanders supporter, not a Clinton supporter…
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/03/credible-account-says-clinton-behind-violent-protests-trump-rallies.html
I believe that there is some unfair bias being presented here in Greenwald’s position as well. WHY are the mainstream so deathly afraid of Trump and Sanders? Might it have something to do with neither of them coming from or supported by establishment political forces and funders??
> so deathly afraid
Bernie gets sockdrawered. Trump won’t fit in the sockdrawer, so he gets carpetbombed. Glenn Greenwald then concern-trolls us about media neutrality.
LMAO.
I’m telling you, as satire this article is almost Ambrose-Bierce-level good.
a growing sense that American institutions have been too lax about resisting it.”?
Just wow, Glenn. This is the middle of last year, beginning with the day after Trump’s announcement:
google.com/search?q=clown+nose+nydailynews&espv=2&biw=1042&bih=771&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs1_n46MDLAhVKGx4KHcNJD3kQ_AUICCgD#tbm=isch&q=clown+nose+trump+nydailynews
ABCNews’s George Stephanopouls never fails to insistently push the idea of a “brokered convention” even though his guest Reince Priebus always counters that full GOP institutional support is behind whoever gathers enough delegates at the threshold.
NY Times hollers “chasm” and division in the ranks of the GOP–while exhorting on A1 “the steady and seemingly inexorable unification of the Democratic Party behind Hillary Clinton….”
nytimes.com/2016/03/02/us/politics/super-tuesday-primaries-presidential-election.html
…even though the delegate proportion between HRC and Sanders is that of Trump and Cruz.
Such talk sets off the volatile Mona, who’s now histrionic that somebody she doesn’t like said he’d vote for Trump–and now a guy who was celebrated on Comcast, and welcomed in fixing an ice rink and who had never had a cross word written about any so-called “racism” is suddenly KKK because in the words of Newt Gingrich last week:
“He’s an outsider, he’s not them, he’s not part of the club, he’s uncontrollable, he hasn’t been through the initiation rites, he didn’t belong to the secret society. They have no idea how to relate to him.”
–Newt Gingrich, speaking about Trump on Fox News
infowars.com/gingrich-tru…t-of-the-club/
“…there is a growing sense that American institutions have been too lax about resisting it.”?
Just wow, Glenn. This is the middle of last year, beginning with the day after Trump’s announcement:
https://www.google.com/search?q=clown+nose+nydailynews&espv=2&biw=1042&bih=771&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs1_n46MDLAhVKGx4KHcNJD3kQ_AUICCgD#tbm=isch&q=clown+nose+trump+nydailynews
ABC News’s George Stephanopouls never fails to insistently push the idea of a “brokered convention” even though his guest Reince Priebus always counters that full GOP institutional support is behind whoever gathers enough delegates at the threshold.
The New York Times hollers “chasm” and division in the ranks of the GOP–while exhorting on A1 “the steady and seemingly inexorable unification of the Democratic Party behind Hillary Clinton….”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/us/politics/super-tuesday-primaries-presidential-election.html
…even though the delegate proportion between HRC and Sanders is that of Trump and Cruz.
Such talk sets off the volatile Mona, who’s now histrionic that somebody she doesn’t like said he’d vote for Trump–and now a guy who was celebrated on Comcast, and welcomed in fixing an ice rink and who had never had a cross word written about any so-called “racism” is suddenly KKK because in the words of Newt Gingrich last week:
“He’s an outsider, he’s not them, he’s not part of the club, he’s uncontrollable, he hasn’t been through the initiation rites, he didn’t belong to the secret society. They have no idea how to relate to him.”
–Newt Gingrich, speaking about Trump on Fox News
http://www.infowars.com/gingrich-tru…t-of-the-club/
You can’t be intimating that the MSM is biased for Trump?
I’ve noticed a plethora of propaganda here lately.Not a good idea.
Incredibly, he actually is.
No, he’s not. You two would suggest that Trump supporters are challenged in the area of reading comprehension.
Wait, if I am neutral and don’t take sides on this article, is that like the liar’s paradox? I’m so confused. Well, that’s ok. Between the free market and litigation, opinions are a liability these days, so I will just come up with new ways not to have them. Like “I can’t talk right now I’m having seizure” or “This topic is infinitely complex and I can’t say anything about it until more data is available” or “Jesus cries every time people have opinions”. Don’t you know that opinions make puppies sad, Mr. Glenn?
Now that a faint echo of the violence of empire that provides for our high standard of living at the cost of countless lives in the global south is reverberating here at home, all of a sudden it is a “first world problem.”
Well, I certainly think it’s fair to say, as the saying goes, ‘opinions are like a**holes and everybody has one.’ … especially Glenn Greenwald!
Now, when two opinions (or more) coincide this gives rise to the notion/perception of ‘objectivity’ (i.e. a measure of ones opinion). No adjective can describe a thing outside of this social context ~ honor, justice, mercy, kindness, strength … or ‘objectivity’ ~ have little meaning outside of a social milieu.
Therefore, NPR and many, many other non-opinionated (ie. non-objective) imperfect media stars (who ‘thinketh only of themselves’) are, in a sense, severely constipated, if not impacted. Perhaps, a doctor of ‘media objectivity’ could proscribe a potent laxative short of an ER clean-out … but either way, they desperately need to poop or get off the pot.
It is in this way, then, The Turnip will continue to endeavor to make America great again… or not.
“As Donald Trump’s campaign predictably moves from toxic rhetoric targeting the most marginalized minorities to threats and use of violence, there is a growing sense that American institutions have been too lax about resisting it.”
Is the above really an accurate observation? Well, given his readership, the answer will be YES. Unfortunately. Reasons why Greenwald opposes Trump: Trump is against the TPP; he is largely a non-interventionist (unlike Hilary he opposed the Iraq war); he is clearly not a New World Order enthusiast or a globalist; he doubts 9/11 as presented (Glenn accepts the official investigation); etc. And as far as I can see Glenn is helping Hilary become president. She will be the Democrat nominee this autumn barring illness or an indictment, and only Trump could defeat her.
Have American institutions been too lax about the antics of its top political people? Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria would seem to being saying YES. Which nations will Hilary intervene in should she become president?
Toxic rhetoric;That Muslims hate US?That illegal immigrants hurt American citizens lives?That we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq,Syria and Libya?Opposition to trade steals for Zion and globalization?His calling idiots who stifled free speech berniebots?Neutral re I-P?Yankee Come Home might be the most welcoming American action in a 100 years,and the world will thank him for it.
Those idiots in Chicago might have sunk BS.
Morons.
Everyone of these things is opposed by the Zionists.
“That Muslims hate US”
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Actually, he said, “Islam hates US”.
Perhaps, he was referring to Cat Stevens.
You know what he meant.
The MSM is as rabid against Trump as any candidate in history.
The meme is that he is the fascist,when those pointing the fingers are the racist fascists,look at their monolithic support for invading nations for energy and Zion,and their monolithic support for racist and fascist Israel,who make the KKK and the Boers choirboys.A giant scam.
And hopefully,America will recognize the divide and conquer being used once again against Americans and their nations interests.
He has repeatedly been saying “Islam hates us.” Which means two things:
a) The religion of Islam (a monolithic entity, to him) hates America. And/or
b) ALL Muslims hate America
His representatives have been saying that they can’t tell which Muslim is good and which one is bad.
I’ve simply stated facts with hardly any commentary and taking any sides.
We both know,and Trump would acknowledge after explanation,(I doubt that he is unreasonable,despite the hysteria),that it is impossible for a religion to hate a nation,but that its adherents can and do.Does he mean all Muslims?I highly doubt that.You are being coy.
And as far as Trumps obvious bogus take on Jersey city Muslims,might I point out that right after the day that changed everything,propaganda by ZioMSM was rampant and delirious and Trump was subjected too it as millions of fellow Americans brains were.
Straight from tel Aviv,and any inkling of American Muslim unpatriotic behavior would be amplified by the serial liars,as in divide and conquer.We already know of memri and doctored OBL tapes.
You have somehow gathered that Greenwald is for the TPP? Please show your work.
Greenwald like most progressives put social justice matters above everything else — such that things like war are secondary. He would prefer another great recession to the failure of some LBGT program. Perhaps not intentionally but indirectly. The Intercept would be more valuable if they focused on matters like the economy, foreign policy, gov corruption, poisoning of the environment . . . All the articles on Trump in my opinion are just a waste of space and have practically no real value.
I am afraid you do not know Glenn. He was backing RON PAUL last time over his policies on war and domestic surveillance. Hard to get more anti-establishment than that.
No.Not that I remember.He just pointed out,at that time,the hypocrisy of people pointing fingers at him,when many of his policies were much more sane than the finger pointers.Funny how times change.I guess Paul had no shot,while Trump does.
Because Trump is really quite centrist,unlike the MSM poison pen persona now chic.
This whole meme is absurd,he’s a NYer,from Manhattan even.Jeez.
You didn’t answer my question, and you also further showed that you have either no grasp on what Glenn has written and spoken about over the years, or are choosing to be disingenuous. As for your complaints or summary about The Intercept, you show much the same lack of knowledge about what has been published at The Intercept as your lack of knowledge about what Glenn has written over the past 10 or so years. Once again, show your work.
Actually I have been reading Greenwald since he was at Salon quite some time ago. I have no recollection of Greenwald speaking out against trade agreements in general. He does not consider it all that important apparently. I can not recall him ever mentioning Michael Hudson for example. Glenn is very sensitive to Trump’s idiosyncrasies; but was completely taken in by Obama. At least Dr Cornell West fairly early on spotted that President Obama was not Candidate Obama! Also Greenwald’s position on 9/11 can not be due to a lack of information but must in fact be due to things he knows that he wishes kept secret. The Mossad? So he should consider himself to be as off potentially about Trump as he was about Obama? Does that make sense? The Intercept is no threat to the Elite. That is the important fact to take away at this time.
Glenn writes about what he knows best. It tends not to write about what he isn’t deeply and factually familiar with. There are numerous subjects one could point to that he hasn’t specifically tackled. So for you to assume or, as you have, flat out state that he is in favor of TPP because you haven’t seen him write an article about it is preposterous pompous bull.
“Taken in by Obama” is also quite the bloviating nonsense. He was writing columns exposing Obama’s insincerity even before this one I’ve excerpted from published in July of 2008 about Telecom immunity:
You’ll need to bother opening the link to get the story in full. Hard work, I know, but for someone who has “been reading Greenwald since he was at Salon quite some time ago,” you should be able to manage.
July 3, 2008
Obama’s New Statement on FISA
I suggest and recommend that you read the entire article to see how “taken in by Obama” Glenn was.
By the way, this is also a court jester statement by you: “Greenwald like most progressives put social justice matters above everything else — such that things like war are secondary.”
Putting aside your infatuation with the label, “Progressives,”Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill, two of the founders of The Intercept, have written extensively about “things like war” issues. Laura Poitras, the other founder of The Intercept, has produced documentaries about issues specifically related to the consequences of war and US foreign policy: The Oath — My Country, My Country.
As for your defined “progressives” in general, who you say are paying no attention to “things like war” (which is one hell of a silly way for you to put it), check out the “browse articles by issue” section you’ll see off to the side at Popular Resistance You can spend the week there reading article after article that they have posted regarding “things like war.”
There are two issues here that need to be seperated:
(1) Jouranlists can ask pointed questions like Cokie did without it being bias. It was a legitimate point she made about the morality of his rhetoric. Fair question, and nobody should have been upset with her. This is largely why I agree with your piece.
(2) However, there is the issue of overarching democratic need. People DO have the right to vote for an authoritarian asshole that goes against the Constitution. If the media encroaches on this need and tries to engineer the discussion that Trump is somehow illegally running for President and thus should be resisted, there are major democratic issues with that sentiment.
This latter prong isn’t just a probability, it is occurring more and more with left elites. Take for instance the assaults in Germany. Yes, reporting on them was going to cause mass unease about refugees and likely harm. But it is insanely distrustful in a democracy for the elite’s to decide what information is most pertinent.
There is a line here, and it needs to be discussed carefully.
-”If the media encroaches on this need and tries to engineer the discussion that Trump is somehow illegally running for President and thus should be resisted, there are major democratic issues with that sentiment. “
I haven’t read any US journalist on how Trump run for office is illegal. Do you have any examples? Ironically Trump was the one repeatedly claiming that Obama was not an American. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of. What I have heard expressed, around the world, is that the US media, instead of using “fascist” as a smear, should instead give their audience context around how fascism developed in the past and how it may help to describe Trump.
Who’s claiming that Trump is somehow illegally running for president? Links please.
This is where someone says Obama “failed”…whereas I would say Obama didn’t even try to change things. In the same way Clinton promises to not do anything too un-pragmatic that might fail.
“demented hope”? What was demented? End to illegal wars? End to Guantanamo torture? The restoration of the rule of law? Election finance reform? (I’d argue that those are extremely doable items for non corrupt politicians) But Americans ARE truly disappointed by Obama,
I just think they are disappointed because, for some reason, many Americans thought that a wall street backed Obama was earnest in his desire for change.
Hopefully Clinton has made it sufficiently clear that should she get elected, she won’t do anything warranting “demented hope”.
Yep, Obama did not even try to move the dial on any of that, negotiating with himself and finding his negotiating partner too stubborn. Yet another placeholder keeping the status quo functioning and awaiting a retirement of lucrative speaking fees from the interests he coddled while in office.
Many of Trump’s supporters are also participating in the stalking and harassment of U.S. citizens.
fightgangstalking.com
Any journalist who is worth his or salt should want to get to the bottom of it. Don’t wait for documents. Investigate and at least try to expose it. We have a coast-to-coast Stasi-like apparatus, but anyone who tries to call attention to it is quickly labeled “crazy.”
Wait, did you just find out about COINTELPRO? That was a covert anti-communist FBI program, also famously on the wrong side of the civil rights movement back in the 1960s & 1970s. Much like the MSM is on the wrong side of the civil rights movement today.
Many of Trump’s supporters are FBI operatives?
I’ll fix that:
Some of Trump’s supporters are also participating in the stalking and harassment of U.S. citizens. But it may, in fact, be “many.”
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/americas_gestapo_the_fbis_reign_of_terror
And maybe you’d better brush up on Cointelpro. Ever heard of the “new left?” And there were/are other groups that are targeted, as well.
I am certain many Stasi Goons relish the idea of licking Trump’s sole in 2017.
But about that FGS site…
I think FGS.com’s author(s) sandwich disinfo in truth, the duty of all Stasi BS professionals. As examples I give you their promotion of a book about on cloaking devices, the absurd SOP for meeting some of his or their alleged target friends & associates, dodgy editing practices, and denial of routine physical torture methods using every day utensils in favor of column inches about exotic hardware. I have been physically tortured in a medical lab, barbershops, a San Jose, CA hotel room, violently provoked on the street and in the workplace, but never burned by radiation, and drooling, juvenile goon squads will never control my mind. (I could be wrong about some reports of radiation attacks, but I remain skeptical.). Patriots are capable of mass murder, as they have routinely demonstrated — around the world and in the U.S. — but I have not experienced being zapped by lasers and am wary of those who claim they have been, given the copious quantities of cash and Stasi Rodent years spent publishing crazy talk for conditioning hapless American consumers , like Mona, into believing tortured people are crazy because they say they are being tortured.
Imagine that, a country engaged in perpetual war would actually torture people, and enjoy it too. “My word, what sort of unhinged person would spout such tin-hat nonsense?” — says the American with advanced university degrees.
But I think you are not lying, anon. I think you are quite sane, and a seasoned, unbroken torture subject just like myself.
CDV’s efforts at educating you is beyond asinine. (This does not have a fucking thing to do with Communism, CDV. You are in need of a little education about yourself.). He’s definitely out to lunch, as is GG, selling NSA docs with free body guards at his disposal, ‘understanding’ both sides, ‘prudently’ refusing to lift a finger. He has evidence: the NSA is the Torture Community’s data vendor. He has names of perps and targets and does nothing but wallow in money and celebrity. It’s all so… American.
Edward Snowden fucked up. He joined the military because he wanted to butcher Iraqis. He signed up with the Stasi, then he gave the docs to an American(!) journalist instead of publishing them himself, or giving them to someone with a spine, like J. Assange. ES has done zilch to help the people he was paid to stalk. Nada!
GG and ES have never been tortured. As a long term American torture subject I am entitled to make judgements about Americans who are and who are not vertebrates. (And speaking of invertebrates, I notice quite a few are spending public funds and regular business hours here — Nate and Lin being a couple of the most conspicuous.)
At first glance, I thought this was simply a long Rube Goldberg device to beg the question of “toxic rhetoric” and “threats of violence” from Donald Trump. Which is pretty stale material.
On the other hand, if it’s actually satire, and the author is self-aware, color me impressed.
Mona
“…..This abdication of the journalistic duty inevitably engendered by corporate “neutrality” rules is not new……”
Greenwald’s lead-in (above) to criticism of the media during the Iraq war ( a decade ago) was criticism of NPR. For the third time Mona, you need to answer the question posed to you.
“……Well Mona, you can’t answer the simple question. Let me rephrase it. Greenwald uses NPR as an example concerning Trump. What other media outlets are examples of neutrality [on the coverage of] Trump? After all, Greenwald extends this concept of “neutral” journalism to the entire media……”
Thanks Mona
Ah, I believe the point here is that the American corporate media’s claim of being ‘objective’ or ‘neutral’ or ‘fair and balanced’ is about as believable as the official state propaganda that was blared over the loudspeakers in Red Square in Leonid Brezhnev’s Soviet Union.
Any good journalistic outfit should adopt the view C.P. Scott (early publisher of the UK Guardian):
“He argued that the “primary office” of a newspaper is accurate news reporting, saying “comment is free, but facts are sacred”.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._P._Scott
Of course sending reporters around the world to collect the facts costs a lot of money, particularly investigative reporting, which is the rarest kind of journalism in the world these days. Comment is cheap, but facts are harder to come by.
“…….Ah, I believe the point here is that the American corporate media’s claim of being ‘objective’ or ‘neutral’ or ‘fair and balanced’ is about as believable as the official state propaganda that was blared over the loudspeakers in Red Square in Leonid Brezhnev’s Soviet Union…..”
Well, you know that’s not true. The attack of the World Trade Center affected all Americans – journalist or not. Many reporters are patriots as well. At any rate, hindsight is 20/20 and that has nothing to do with Greenwald extending to the whole US media the account of the NPR executive on the commentary about Trump. Greenwald was way out of line on that.
The media has wholeheartedly gone after Trump with a vengeance accorded no other candidate for President in recent memory. That has nothing to do with the Iraq invasion, Vietnam, Korea or WWII. So trying to extend the treatment by ONE executive for commentary on Trump to the whole main stream media is absurd.
Objectivity is not necessarily in contradiction with expressing one’s views & opinions. To my mind, Objectivity means presenting facts as they are. In that sense Objectivity = Neutrality. However, those 2 concepts diverge in terms of expressing an opinion.
One can express a view about facts. Indeed, expressing clear views generates a debate about the issue under consideration. But that also eliminates Neutrality. However, anybody interested in a healthy discussion about a subject supports objectivity: a presentation of facts combined with the author’s opinion.
The problem is that often propaganda is spun to distort the facts, or destroy them altogether, in the guise of an expression of opinion. To my mind that is what has put news reporting in 1 of 2 camps: either a strict observance of neutrality with the result that people do not really learn anything, or, at the other extreme, a total subservience, if not a obsequiousness, to the greater powers that be, such as governments.
Your reporting, Glenn, is factual, therefore objective, but you clearly express your own views in a non-subservient manner about each issue. Therefore your position is not neutral. And the proof is that all your articles are always followed by a very lively debate. Of course among the debaters there will always be people who are less able to express themselves correctly and will resort to name-calling or verbal abuse, but that is part of life.
Unfortunately there are ever fewer reporters & news commentators who dare to, and/or are allowed to, and/or are intellectually able to question what is dished up as fact, and separate the wheat from the chaff.
So Glenn, please keep up the good work in your idiosyncratic, thought-provoking fashion.
GG can’t bring his Brazilian partner to the US because of immigration laws.Trump will make it harder.
He has skin in the game.
So? As long as he does not distort the facts in what he writes I have no problem with him having skin in the game. I believe he cannot be accused here of distorting the facts.
Rarely do I disagree with Glenn, but this time I do. I have been shocked at the “get Trump at all costs” and “get Sanders at all costs” one confronts daily in the MSM. One can hate Trump, one can detect fascist aspects of his schtick and his appeal. But Trump is a real estate mogul/TV celebrity, with far more in common with Sarkozy or Berlusconi than 30s era fascist dictators. Violence is a regular part of politics in much of the world, esp. in times like the present when anger is busting out following decades of rising inequality orchestrated by plutocratically bought-and-paid for politicians at national, state, and local levels. Trump is channeling much righteous anger and venting it, in good ways as well as bad. The bad is bad but shouldn’t be exaggerated. Trump doesn’t have armies of brown shirts creating street riots, he doesn’t have any of the ideas or apparatus to cause one to fear he means to bring down the constitutional system of government. In fact, the main problem with Trump is that he is too comfortable with the existing system. I think the media need to back off; Trump is where he is solely because of the votes he is getting. The media need to be MORE objective, not less; to inform us, not lead us; and to have enough faith in the system, rigged though it is, to let democracy take its course. Yes, keep the pressure on so as to minimize violence but stop portraying Trump as Hitler 2.0, a danger, a menace, a virulent infection of the body politic, when he’s just a TV personality/billionaire with a gift for knowing how to win elections. Maybe Bernie will win; but if not, at least Trump can shake things up and open the way to a social democratic successor to Bernie in 2020 (a census year, when it might be possible to redraw districts to favor the left). Anyway, vilifying Trump as the establishment media are doing is not only beyond their purview but only serves to make him more popular. This is a change election not a status quo one, and the more defenders of the status quo squawk, the better for Trump.
Oh Thank You, repeat and do not rinse. Now can we have some real reporting on just how sick mr. trump is? In my humble opinion the man is ill, he is sick and needs professional intervention. He needs heathcare. I am not being silly or stupid, I am not making a joke, the man is ill and I say this with compassion. Yes, he scares the hell outta me, as he should anyone with 1/2 a brain but I don’t think this is coloring my judgement of the situation. His actions and words are abnormal at best. Ask yourself this question; why would a man ruin what he has taken a life-time to build? He has lost his honorary degrees, he has lost his endorsements and people are jumping ship on his contracts; let alone the back fire building within the party of his choice. Seems to me pretty clear evidence the man needs help, serious help or we loose big time.
Over the weekend the Donald Trump Twitter account threatened Bernie Sanders with sending Trump supporters to Sanders’ rallies. A Trump supporter, Chris Fahling, then announced on Facebook and on Twitter that he wanted to go to a Sanders rally and “put a bullet in his head.” (Facebook has deleted Fahling’s account and/or his post, and apparently so has Twitter, but there a re screenshots.)
And I’m guessing Mr. Fahling hasn’t been visited by the FBI for issuing a death threat on Facebook against a presidential candidate…
Glenn writes:
Imagine calling yourself a journalist, and then — as you watch an authoritarian politician get closer to power by threatening and unleashing violence and stoking the ugliest impulses — denouncing not that politician, but rather other journalists who warn of the dangers.
It is not necessary to denounce that politician, but it is necessary to shout out what he is doing and what the dangers are. The corporate media are doing a poor job of it.
CR writes:
Ms. Roberts is not doing the job either. She is mostly taking sides in an internal Republican conflict, not reporting what is happening and what the consequences can be.
“Imagine… dangers” is a quote that did not happen. ( I guess I screwed up.)
“It is not necessary…” is what I wrote.
Yes there is false “objectivity”, but it is in furtherance of dollar diving.
If the US government could take away “the fairness doctrine” it can bring it, or something like it, back. That would make space for news outlets that aren’t “post truth”, outlets where former Breitbart reporters could go to make an honest living.
This seems like more venting because Trump’s star keeps inexplicably rising.
Understandable, but this comes off as flailing and childish. Blaming the media? I have watched Trump get bashed on every channel including FOX.
I’m not a fan of the man, but this is what happens when you ignore populist opinion. Turns out most of America isn’t a big fan of being told how they’re racist assholes because they were born white, doesn’t like Hillary Clinton, and is tired of the bizarre echo chambers our colleges have become.
This backlash was inevitable to anyone with a brain.
If only they were neutral. That neutrality seems more of a disguise to actually manipulate the truth. Even the Guardian has been consistently and persistently using subtle and underhanded language to undermine Sanders and to positively highlight Clinton, despite the fact that 80% or so of its users regularly call them up on that. While this is a thorough analysis as always from GG, I think the issues is much larger and bitter than that of the neutrality.
The MSM is Zionist.Their chosen are Clinton,Rubio and Cruz in that order.
From what I’m seeing the mainstream media has been resisting Trump (at least recently). The problem is that he’s the only candidate getting the kind of press exposure that he does. And they keep bringing him back up because he’s exciting and he brings views.
If they actually wanted to be “objective” they’d have some kind of policy where they do their best to give all the candidates the same amount of exposure. But they don’t, and they won’t. They’re out to entertain, not inform.
I disagree with the notion that NPR’s style of reporting neuters or glosses over or hides the danger of Trump. The danger is quite evident in their coverage. True, it might not be stated overtly, but I don’t necessarily need to know what a newscaster thinks about am issue. I can make up my own mind based on the imformation they present. Of course, hearing someone like Murrow can be a great assest, but there are a variety of types of journalism of a variety of purposes.
Really? I think NPR has been co-opted and I don’t bother with them anymore. Years of coordinated attacks by the right, relative to their funding, has had the desired effect.
They provide a fairly adequate encapsulation of the day’s current events during the commute, at least. There are plenty of outlets that provide a deeper dive, of course, but different outlets have different purposes.
Edward R Murrow,if still alive,would be marveling at the absolute lock Zion has on American MSM discourse.
He wouldn’t be broadcasting it though,they’d fire him.
Threatening and unleashing violence?
Against whom? Thugs, that’s who.
Then the media gives a lengthy interview to the guy who rushed the stage and let him describe detail by detail how he carried it out and his absurd rationale for doing so.
This election year is only an improvement on previous ones by adding a touch of controversy to the usual flood of:
a) Poll after poll after poll
b) Latest fundraising reports
c) Distortions and lies
d)} Rush to be first to predict outcomes with as few as 5% of votes counted
Worse than congressional popularity levels is that of the media and most of its
so-called journalists and experts.
Glenn,
I find it hypocritical the way American political culture is reacting to Trump, including you and The Intercept. Trump’s no saint and his speech, in many instances, is negative, inflammatory and hateful. But compared to the record of actions of the other candidates, Clinton in particular, why has Trump’s speech sparked such a moral crisis?
Take for instance Clinton’s assault on Libya. As the most recent NYTimes investigation concluded, she spearheaded an illegal military mission of regime change in that crumbling country. The consequence was to plunge it, and the region, into utter chaos, which has spread as far out as Syria (according to Sy Hersh) and leading to the deaths of countless civilians. What’s more, she’s now calling for greater American military intervention in Syria, Iraq and Ukraine. Please explain to me, how Trump’s bluster even approximates to such crimes? Even to compare the policies she’s proposing to his results in a damning judgment against Hillary. He calls for a temporary ban on Muslim immigration to resolve the refugee crisis, she calls for bombing Syria and challenging Russia’s airspace. Trump’s proposal is bad enough, but at least he’s not calling for the kind of outright chaos and loss of life that Clinton is advocating.
To extend this line of argument even further, compare Trump to Cruz. Cruz advocates for “carpet bombing” the Middle East. As far as I can tell, Clinton stands closer to this position than Trump.
Or take another issue that sheds light on the overblown attention paid to Trump’s blustering at the expense of the actions of other candidates. Trump says he wants to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants and Clinton derides him for it; yet she played a part in passing NAFTA, and the sad truth is that calling incoming Mexicans “immigrants” is a misnomer; they’re actually economic refugees from NAFTA. So, what’s Clinton’s response? She wants greater free trade and more free trade deals.
Or take a sub-group of the “illegal immigrants” coming to the US, those from Honduras. They’re also mislabeled as “immigrants” because in reality they’re refugees from the military coup that Clinton supported in 2009. The subsequent depression, exploitation and state crack down has created untold misery and migration from that unfortunate country. What’s worse then, Trump’s wall or Clinton’s reign of terror and economic warfare in Central America?
And when Trump speaks of deporting illegal immigrants, have we forgotten that the same President that Clinton and Sanders have been praising, has deported more illegal immigrants during his presidency, some 3 million, than all presidencies combined since the late 1800’s? Again, we shouldn’t forget, that the same “immigrants” who Obama has been deporting en masse are really economic refugees, created by his former Secretary of State and her husband.
Given the discrepancies in consequence between Trump’s words and the actual actions of a candidate like Clinton, it’s almost depressing to watch her talk about how inciteful his words are when she’s literally made decisions to collapse whole countries (let’s not also forget her votes for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, let alone her support for husband’s campaigns in the former Yugoslavia).
Where was the outpouring of moral indignation when Clinton wanted to intervene in Libya? Where was the outrage when Clinton’s State Department appointees fueled a nationalist coup in Ukraine, bringing us 3 minutes closer to nuclear midnight? Or when her department helped spread fracking and helped build new coal plants in developing countries as Obama derailed the COP process?
Yet when Trump makes politically incorrect and offensive statements, there’s infinite moral outrage and attention given to him across the political spectrum, including in The Intercept. And now the media is even attacking itself over its own reactions to his offensive speech. I wonder where Roberts’ outrage is when Clinton calls for bombing Syria?
It’s pure hypocrisy, and Trump, as vile as he is, is just a red herring for a country that can’t even face its own self let alone take responsibility for its own actions.
Where’s your outrage Glenn?
As an addendum to my observation that “the media is even attacking itself over its own reactions” I should add that the circus is being further fueled by your (Greenwald’s) commentary and your focus on this circus. Donald Trump exercises his freedom of speech irresponsibly and grotesquely while Clinton gets away with literal murder, yet Trump’s words and the media’s hysterical reaction to his words are being analyzed indefatigably. What’s going on here?
The very purpose of freedom of the press is to expose the official line and report the truth to the public.
Today, MSM journalism sounds more like a myna bird constantly repeating the official line. Thanks to alternate news sources, such as The Intercept, I do not need them.
ALL media pummel Trump: Even Fox, not by directly countering, but by way of being ridiculous. Watch SNL, the talk shows. It’s subtle and we have lost perspective over time how much propaganda is everywhere. All media clearly agree to support Democrat candidates.
Trump, to me, is Wysisyg, unfortunately likes wars. The others just say opposite of what they will do which is must-have-wars, central economic planning and regulating private initiative into oblivion, banding with Republicans against the people (it’s not left versus right, it’s the government against the people) to aggrandize government, fascismo-type banding with Fed, banks, university profs, weapons mfrs, media, another strong interest group. Folks have gotten used to that over a matter of 103 years. But at least there are some that don’t appreciate the lying and the fascismo against us.
Read this from page 103 to understand a little about how we got to such a “supreme choice” of candidates: https://mises.org/library/short-history-man-progress-and-decline
Zionists all.Trump lost his last 2 Jewish voters when he said he’d bring back Merry Christmas.
And funny dat,I haven’t heard one MSM acknowledgement of such.
Goddamn propagandists.Can’t rile up the unwashed and unlearned huh?Not by those who were kicked out of sandboxes as children.
Wow, stone cold Hillary Clinton:
He’s standing in front of her, telling her he spent years wrongly convicted, on death row, and her answer is it’s a “difficult question”.
Gay marriage was also something she pondered thoughtfully, until it was safe for her to come to a conclusion…
But the polls haven’t shifted sufficiently for Clinton to find the killing of prisoners anything but a “difficult question”.
So the reason America is the outlier, killing prisoners, disproportionately minority and poor prisoners, says Clinton, is because of “terrorism”?
Point well taken but the press and big pack money seem not to sway either Trump detractor or supporter. I am neither.
There are a lot of people who want to fix the broken system by electing an outsider candidate. Trump must denounce violence and turn to the center and tell how he is going to reform the system to the advantage of ALL citizens. If he fails to make the a timely TURN and explain he is toast.
The tectonics of this election may allow the center to pick the winner. This is a good thing, Bush and Obama fail to the right and left and fail to inspire movement away from a broken system. Donald Dick best clean up his act ASAP and plot us a solution or he will hear “Your Fired” from the swing voters that might elect him.
Interesting. He has to beat the Republican challengers first, which might explain some of his rhetoric. In order to sound presidential, he has to sound tough. Well, that’s America. What more can you say?
Jimmy Carter is the only “peace candidate” to ever get elected as far as I can remember.
I liked Jimmy, voted for him. Alas he was one of our smartest Presidents with some very good ideas for our future. However, like many smart folks a tendency to micromanage, not trust talented others, flawed his administration. I am watchfully waiting for the Trump TURN.
Outside agitators who provoke violence are either commies or nazis.Seems an overlap today.
Leaving aside the expression of opinions, and I agree that media outlets should feel capable of expressing feelings about political movements and actors who are inciting violence, racism, hatred and fear, I fail to see how pointing out lies and hypocrisies falls outside the remit of the reporting of fact. Candidate A says X, but last week said Y. Candidate A advocates against X, but made use of it themselves when Y. In the case of Trump, reporting that the candidate is in favor of committing war crimes and urges his supporters to commit violent acts on his behalf does not seem like opinion journalism.
The cowardice of the modern press, the dishonesty of the intelligence agency, and the despicable behaviour of prosecutors have left any of the honor of this country laying face down in a rain soaked cattle pen. Every thing that the generation born during WW2 and before has been taught is corrupted by these “Mc Carthyites”. Chris Christy’s famous railroading of three innocent Albanians into life plus sentences that he brags about it typical
Consider this quote from Hunter S Thompson, circa 1970:
“Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism — which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.”
You tell it like it is Glenn. Nobody else in your business seems to be able to.
A couple of observations…
“Outlets such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, and NPR refused to use the word “torture” to describe techniques long universally recognized as such…” -I totally agree! The cowardly lions could only spout out what the words they were spoon fed from Cheney & Guantanamo “-enhanced interrogation techniques.”
“Anal feedings”
“These were medical procedures.” -Dick Cheney
This is proof that the U.S. media is indeed just a lap dog of the U.S. police/corporate State, all under the guise of “report the story don’t be the story.”
What a bunch of cowards.
With regards to Donald Drumpf, CBS Chief Les Moonves Says Trump’s ‘Damn Good’ For Business. Now I’m sure Adolf Hitler would have been GREAT FOR BUSINESS!
Forget the implications of his possible presidency.
Sensationalism sells. Truth -not so much.
Because NPR is a yearly recipient of federal grants, it would concern me if its staff members were allowed to take strong partisan positions on political issues. At the very least, this practice would leave them open to the perception that they are merely a propaganda tool of the state. More directly, Cokie Roberts’ familial history is deeply entrenched in politics (e.g. both of her parents were members of Congress, her sister is a Mayor in Princeton, NJ, and her brother is a prominent DC lobbyist) alone leaves her open to accusations of partisanship:
Wikipedia: Cokie Roberts
When coupled with the fact that Roberts is already perceived as being a mouthpiece of the political establishment and openly accused of “favoring corporate interests over those of working people” by media watchdog groups like Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting,:
Wikipedia: Cokie Roberts
NPR published columns like the one cited can only further nurture the perception that NPR is a witting tool of the corporatocracy even though Roberts’ is no longer considered to be a “staff member.” Because NPR is also heavily reliant on corporate sponsors, it is already prone to being perceived as a tool of the corporate establishment.
I like Alan Grayson. Hope he wins in Florida.
Yes, there is much about Grayson that I like myself.
Well said, and that’s precisely why I suspect Cokie Roberts got a green light in advance to explicitly state her views on Trump, from NPR executives, with the understanding that she “was not a reporter, just a commentator.”
Unlike Peter Arnett, who was fired in 2003 from NBC for stating his personal views on Bush’s Iraq invasion, she will be keeping her job.
Thanks for the positive feedback.
NPR IS a corporate, government tool, and has been for decades. Their reporters DO take overt positions, as your evidence shows, but always for the government/corporate side. This is exactly Glenn’s point.
Glenn is arguing that all reporters should be allowed to freely engage in partisan reporting as there is no such thing as true objectivity. To this end, he is faulting NPR vice president, Michael Oreskes, for a memo wherein he outlines NPR’s purported position on neutrality. Although I agree that true “objectivity” is never achievable, I believe that it is a standard that can be striven for. There is a danger however in being too rigidly objective in that reporters can become mere stenographers for the established political order. NPR should be held responsible for clearly identifying its “opinion journalists” whenever they are used in much the same way that Fox news should have revealed the fact that its guest military analysts were often on the Pentagon payroll as “message force multipliers.”
If you think Greenwald has any use for Cokie Roberts you could not be more mistaken. But it’s also utterly beside the point of his article.
I read that Greenwald’s point is that ‘objectivity’ by the American corporate media is really a false narrative, i.e. it’s not objective at all.
However, “the concern and even anger of some NPR executives and journalists over a column by longtime NPR commentator Cokie Roberts” seems to me like a mere fig-leaf fan-dance game that NPR is using to preserve that false narrative, i.e. they have to come out and say something like that to preserve their false image of “objectivity”, even though the executives privately approve of the explicit statements of Cokie Roberts, and probably green-lighted them in a private conference in advance of the fact.
In reality, NPR is a highly biased non-objective outlet that caters to the interests of corporate sponsors who hide their hands behind “federal grants” and “private foundation gifts”. This is seen in their coverage of environmental issues (on air pollution and climate change they cater to the fossil fuel industry viewpoint), on foreign policy issues (where they cater to the neoliberal pro-regime change agenda), and with their extensive reliance on ‘experts’ tied to Washington think tanks financed by large corporations and Wall Street funds with ties to Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc. – all delivered in that unique NPR syrupy style, like news on Prozac.
That’s baseless, evidence-free, improbable speculation.
No more so than this recent statement made by you:
Again, Is this statement true or false?
I’ve answered that already. I live in Trump territory. But to move beyond anecdotal evidence, any sentient being reading about or watching what Trump says, and who likes it, knows that this is true. My point is a sociological one about Trump supporters generally.
By contrast, there’s no basis for thinking specific people held such a meeting or conversation at NPR.
Okay, let’s examine your current claim rationally…
Roughly 100 million whites voted in America in 2008.
let’s assume that roughly 1/2 of those are potential Trump (republican) supporters.
That means that roughly 50 Million whites support a trump candidacy.
For fairness sake will will now cut that number in half as the primaries are still happening
That leaves us with roughly 25 million white Americans who currently support Trump
Given that 25 million white Americans support Trump, does your original unqualified claim that “the whites supporting Trump are either racists, or angry that blacks (and Hispanics) wont’ just ‘shut the fuck up already'” stand up to reason? I think not.
How about your current qualified claim that anecdotal evidence supports your assertion that “the [25 million] whites supporting Trump are either racists, or angry that blacks (and Hispanics) wont’ just ‘shut the fuck up already.'”? Again, this is an absurd claim on its face. Even if you personally witnessed a thousand white Trump supporters per day exhibit racist tendencies in your neck of the wood, it would take roughly 68 years for you to arrive at this conclusion.
Now, let’s examine the claim that there is a sociological basis for your claim that “the [25 million] whites supporting Trump are either racists, or angry that blacks (and Hispanics) wont’ just ‘shut the fuck up already.'” Can you cite a single sociological study that supports this contention? Or in absence of a single study, can you provide us with the methods of empirical investigation and critical analysis that you employed in arriving at your objectively verifiable conclusion? NO???
Is it even reasonable to infer that “the [25 million] whites supporting Trump are either racists, or angry that blacks (and Hispanics) wont’ just ‘shut the fuck up already'” given the overt behavior of the average white rally attendee thus far? I’ll leave that as an open ended question as apparently that is where your claim came from… a donkey’s asshole.
You are engaging in stupid semantic games and mistaking a sociological claim that is generally true as belonging in the same category as a specific one that is not. If I wrote that all Catholics believe in sacraments, finding one or six who don’t doesn’t invalidate the claim to a reasonable person.
This is the perfect example of false equivalence.
In claiming that “the [25 million] whites supporting Trump are either racists, or angry that blacks (and Hispanics) wont’ just ‘shut the fuck up already,’” you are drawing an all encompassing inference from a few alleged incidents of racist behavior by Trump’s “white” supporters.
On the other hand, If I were to claim that no Catholics believe in sacraments simply because an observed sample of “six” didn’t, then your analogy would be equivalent to my own. In its current form however, it merely represents what you are best known for, chronic dishonesty.
Well, the base for that speculation is that Trump does pose a real risk to some of NPR’s top sponsors, not because of his race-baiting religion-baiting demagogic language, which those sponsors are likely indifferent to, but because of his opposition to the free trade deals (NAFTA and TPP), his opposition to continued support for the Saudis, his ‘neutral broker’ stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict, etc. – basically, they dislike Trump for the same reasons they dislike Sanders.
Consider that NPR has also tried to tie “Bernie Sanders socialism” to “IWW socialism” in a kind of throwback to McCarthy era red-baiting, also seen with Hillary Clinton’s remarks on Sander’s views on Cuba. Compare that to Noam Chomsky on Sanders, who used the phrase “New Dealer” which is a much more accurate view of Sander’s policies than the kind of communist socialism NPR has tried to link him to. (for example, comparing him to Eugene Debs (communist agitator) rather than to FDR (anti-Wall Street New Dealer):
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/17/456348162/before-bernie-sanders-there-was-this-socialist-candidate
So it seems quite probable that NPR executives, in conferences with their top sponsors, would have agreed to go after Sanders and Trump with a variety of tactics, which is in line with NPR’s general support for neoliberalism, i.e. the offshoring of jobs to sweatshop nations, support for NAFTA and TPP, all of which is in line with their sponsor’s agenda.
That’s why Cokie Robets will be keeping her job, while people like Peter Arnett, who chose to attack the neoliberal-neoconservative agenda in Iraq (which Hillary supported), get fired from their jobs.
I’ll admit that this is evidence-free speculation, but hardly baseless or improbable.
Please don’t take this as support for Trump, it’s really just commentary on NPR sleaziness; I don’t think an Andrew Jackson-style president would be a good thing at all, though I think the courts and Congress would stall any of his supposed ‘fascist plans’. Separation of powers, right?
“Public” airwaves were completely sold out under GW Bush.
Seattle’s PBS now runs hour long+ episodes of “Echos of Creation”.
It’s little more than dramatic scenes of mountains, swirling clouds, waterfalls, etc. with “syrupy” soft music …
all thanks to “creation”. Fucking disgusting.
Yes, Edward R. Murrow comes to mind – but he did indeed pay a price for taking on McCarthyism, see wikipedia on the aftermath:
“According to Friendly, Murrow asked Paley if he was going to destroy See It Now, into which the CBS chief executive had invested so much. Paley replied that he did not want a constant stomach ache every time Murrow covered a controversial subject.”
Murrow was eventually forced out of CBS – so this has been a trend for a long time. It’s stepped up since 9/11, and the demands from above that reporters go along with the neoliberal-neoconservative agenda coming from Washington, was amplified greatly by the post-9/11 Iraq invasions – from reporting all the lies about WMDs in Iraq and Saddam’s links to 9/11 and Al Qaeda, to the Iraq invasion itself, reporters came under great pressure to toe the line. Those who didn’t go along with the neoliberal-neoconservative consensus?
1) MSNBC fired liberal Phil Donahue, a loud critic of Bush’s Iraq invasion plans, a month before the invasion began, despite his show having the highest ratings of any news program on their network.
2) Peter Arnett, an NBC and National Geographic correspondent, was fired in March 2003 for similar reasons:
“It was wrong for Mr Arnett to grant an interview to state-controlled Iraqi TV, especially at a time of war,” said an NBC spokeswoman. “And it was wrong for him to discuss his personal observations and opinions in that interview.”
However, I think in this particular case the ‘controversy’ about Cokie Roberts opposing Trump is mostly a staged one; the NPR executives, diehard advocates of the neoliberal-neoconservative consensus, almost certainly gave her the green light in advance as along as it was understood to not be ‘NPR news bias’, but just her ‘commentator’s opinion’. It seems very clear that she’s not going to be losing her job over this, or even losing any status or future preferences. She’s supporting the NPR executive viewpoint, not bucking it.
Where the corporate establishment media (and yes, NPR falls into that category, just look at who finances them via the ‘private foundation’ cut-outs)
really went wrong is in in who they were initially backing in this election – not explicitly, but by coverage bias – that is, Hillary Clinton on one side, and Jeb Bush on the other – both champions of the neoliberal-neoconservative agenda, which is a “heads I win, tails you lose” position for Wall Street and the foreign policy establishment.
What they didn’t understand is that those neolib-neocon policies created a huge pool of disenfranchised Americans, who had lost jobs and whose middle-class status had started tipping into poverty status, and who were ripe for recruitment by a populist demagogue willing to exploit racial and religious divisions – as well as all that anger over diminished economic status – in a bid for the presidency.
Thus, by backing establishment figures like Clinton and Bush and ignoring more rational outsiders (Sanders, Kasich), the liberal media (NPR, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc.) and the conservative media (FOXNews, Wall Street Journal, etc.) helped set the stage for the rise of the Trump.
A Trump presidency would be pretty ridiculous (Andrew Jackson?), but I’d guess the courts and Congress would be fiercely opposing everything he tried to do, so it’d be stalemate all around.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/five-reasons-why-andrew-jackson-is-donald-trumps-presidential-forefather/
If Donald Trump is whipping his supporters up into a hate filled frenzy then Trump supporters would be going to Sanders, Rubio, Cruz, Clinton rallies to disrupt them, to confront their supporters, to shut them down, to punch them out, to yell and scream so they can’t speak! Could we please see all the video of that? No we can’t. Because Trump supporters have not engaged in that kind of behavior. At this point the violence and confrontation has all come from the other side, from leftist organizations, from Berine Sanders supporters (who have publicly bragged about organizing the Chicago violence), from Soros funded moveon.org, from blacklivesmatter, and f**k the cops. In fact moveon.org says that what they do at Trump rallies is called “ratf***ing” and the point is to break up the rally and instigate violence. It is a crime to instigate violence. The media, Cruz, Sanders, Rubio, Clinton, the DNC and the GOP are all creating a false narrative. What do you think their motive is?
This bogus objectivity is a uniquely American corporate phenomenon. It is also self-righteous.In almost the entire rest of the world, news reporters also write columns. I have done it for years with the Johannesburg Star and the papers of the Independent Newspapers of South Africa chain but of course not for American corporate papers I’ve worked for. As Glenn points out, everyone has opinions and to suppress them risks have them seep into news copy. It is more honest to let the reader know where the reporter is coming from. In this case it is extremely dangerous not to take a stand in reporting against a proto-fascist like Trump.
When you look at coverage bias (i.e. minutes devoted to each candidate, or issue) it becomes really clear that the media’s ‘objectivity’ claims are entirely bogus.
Mr Greenwald
“……That is the embodiment of the ethos of corporate journalism in America, and a potent illustration of why its fetishized reverence for “objectivity” is so rotted and even dangerous. Indeed, Roberts herself agreed that it was justified for her to speak out only because she’s in the role of NPR commentator and not reporter: “If I were doing it in your role” as a reporter, Roberts told Greene, “you should be disappointed.”….”
This was a difficult article to even finish because it is such bullshit. The mainstream media, the mainstream Republican Party and even Fox News has denounced and undermined the Trump candidacy. Disaffected voters are lifting the Trump candidacy, but certainly not the media. NPR is a poor example to begin with because it is government funded – but then you attempt to extend the NPR coverage to the rest of the media in the US which is completely false.
This is just a pat on your own back, arrogant and shoddy article – and completely wrong. For someone who praised Russian TV when it suited your political interests (throwing all of the real journalists under the bus who have been beaten and murdered in Russia), it seems kind of ridiculous for you to criticize any media outlet let alone NPR.
Nominally. It is overwhelmingly funded by corporations and their charitable trusts. For example, Archer Daniels Midland — a huge agribusiness corporation — has funded the PBS Newshour for decades. The Ford Foundation funds many PBS programs.
Not hardly. Jake Tapper at CNN did a great job pressing Trump on his promotion of violence, as well as his support from the KKK, but Tapper is a rare exception.
Almost no media outlet is exposing the toxicity Trump is unleashing and how it is horrifying many, leading to a great deal of anxiety that it could be “happening here.”
Thanks for responding so well.
“…….Almost no media outlet is exposing the toxicity Trump is unleashing and how it is horrifying many, leading to a great deal of anxiety that it could be “happening here.”…..”
Really Mona? Where does that anxiety come from? I am completely surprised that anyone agrees with Greenwald on this article. It’s totally false. No two commentators complain about the main stream media than Greenwald and……Limbaugh.
Among other things, that you’ve said you will likely vote for Trump, and you are a deeply authoritarian man who has no use for the 4th Amendment and who has vigorously endorsed torture as a good thing. Trump would be appealing to exactly your sort.
Well Mona, you can’t answer the simple question. Let me rephrase it. Greenwald uses NPR as an example concerning Trump. What other media outlets are examples of neutrality on Trump? After all, Greenwald extends this concept of “neutral” journalism to the entire media.
By the way, neutral – in itself – is entirely bullshit. Try objective – a term foreign to Greenwald.
Sometimes Craig you are disgusting, at others you are hilarious. Right now we have the latter:
From Glenn’s above article:
There may be a media critic who has written more about the pox of claimed “objectivity” by the corporate media than Glenn Greenwald has, but it would be hard to think of who it might be.
You’re a hoot, Craig.
Media coverage minutes matter. That’s where you see bias in media; they carefully avoid explicit support for particular candidates:
” Report: ABC World News Tonight Has Devoted 81 Minutes To Trump, One Minute To Sanders
December 11, 2015″
“Donald Trump has gotten more nightly network news coverage than the entire Democratic field combined – By Callum Borchers December 7, 2015″
You can also see this ‘non-explicit’ bias in, say, coverage devoted to Saudis bombings civilians in Yemen vs. coverage of Russians bombing civilians in Syria, vs. coverage of American drones killing civilians in, well, lots of places. Or in the spewing of lies about WMDs in Iraq without vetting the claims at all. Or generally just acting as a shameless propaganda mouthpiece for the neoconservative-neoliberal Wall Street establishment.
Has anyone ever run a poll to compare public opinion of corporate media to public opinion of Congress? I’d guess that, as with Congress, corporate media approval ratings would come in at less than 10%.
‘Large corporations hate controversy (it alienates consumers) and really hate offending those who wield political power (bad for business).’
Your point in one sentence. Mustn’t cause dreaded brain functioning leading to painful clarity. Having opinions can lead to distraction from our primary job as Americans: to amuse ourselves to death in consumption, consumption, consumption.
They do like wars, though. Good for profit$!
And so you do see the likes of the NYT and Washington Post (just to pick two examples from our alleged liberal media) constantly agitating for them.
In opinion sections, and via their front page “straight news” coverage.
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What happened to the journalistic ethic of publishing the true carnage of war profiteering, in living color, on the nightly news?
Obviously you haven’t noticed the concerted effort to denounce Trump – from left, centrist and right media outlets – so your argument is total B.S.
Must agree. I’ve been following Glenn even before Salon, and this is the first one where I see him off the mark.
Then let’s see three examples of this pervasive denunciation of Donald Trump from mainstream media outlets who hold themselves out as objective journalists.
Try a daily news stand, and do your own homework.
Bullshit, the News Clowns are acting as if someone wore paisley to church.
Then you haven’t been paying attention, pisspants.
Isn’t it primarily a function of the funding model, or rather the lack of funding for journalists. Everywhere, newsrooms are getting emptied. Independent papers are being bought up into corporations of hundreds, thousands of publications. Instead of local newsrooms, you have one centralized newsroom that emails their columns out to the local printing presses (assuming there is still a print edition)
TV is the same, all that is left locally is one presenter, even the cameras are operated by robots now, the reporting is from a network head office, or it’s video bought from a service (the local guy does the voice over to make the report seem local)
With the entire economy dominated by the one percent, news is no different. Who can afford to produce it? Corporations and billionaires. And most of them, most of the time, have their own, very “one percent”, point of view.
Ultimately, this means that reducing income inequality, in addition to improving lives generally, is going to also be necessary to restore the media. And “the internet” is not an alternative. If only the rich can produce news, and it’s all going to be filtered through one Facebook billionaire’s phone app, where people expect their news to be “free”, how exactly is telling the stories of the non-rich, the non-powerful (ie the majority) going to be profitable in that environment. The news media will improve in America, as the income distribution curve improves. And the income distribution won’t improve until the government takes active steps to change the rules that currently tilt towards helping the rich at the expense of the majority.
We used to have something called a fairness doctrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
The income distribution is not going to improve – it’s going to get far worse, since the elite through their control, and influence of the big US Technology companies are about to inflict widespread technological unemployment on the masses with 20 percent of all jobs going within the next five years . Everybody has been conned into believing that the Digital economy is such a great thing, and that using self service machines, self service websites, and online shopping is so cool and will benefit us all. Whilst the public may save a few dollars/pounds or Euros, shopping online, the biggest winners are the massive corporations that have been able to cut their employees and retail premises, reducing cost and massively increasing profitability. Now we are seeing Artificial intelligence, software bots, robots and driverless cars and trucks. So the stores are closing, administration and customer service jobs will be wiped out along with hotel staff, and truck drivers. What are people doing about this very real and major threat – very little. Let’s just all sit back and close our eyes and hope that our job won’t be one that’s wiped out. Carry on shopping on line, using the smart machines, except AI software bot service, don’t even think of boycotting companies that deploy these disruptive technologies and then don’t be surprised when your replaced by a machine or software. Keep sharing, giving away your personal preferences and data for nothing.The Digital revolution is being pushed and promoted to developing countries with emerging markets too, so their shops can all be wiped out by the likes of Amazon and Google. Of course technology is just one part of the US plan for Global corporate dominance. The other tools include mass surveillance to assist industrial espionage, the War on Terror linked with aggressive foreign policy. Trade pacts that favor US Corporations and allow the to ride rough shod over sovereign laws. The US Presidential elections is merely an 18 month long distraction to keep the publics’ eyes off what the Government is doing. It doesn’t matter who gets elected since they will only eventually be controlled by the same few elite billionaires and will of course continue to represent their interests, their selfish and greedy agenda.
Let me guess, you’re glued to Fox News all days and think what they’re putting out is news and not propaganda. You’re as dangerous as they are with this nonsense. I suggest you go back to journalism school and take another ethics class.
Sometimes the stoopid, I mean, that is…I can’t even.
It’s time to drop the pretense of objectivity. There are quite partisan media outlets on both sides of the spectrum, claiming to be neutral and unbiased. This just confuses the heck out of all issues because two ‘impartial news’ outlets can tell the same story in precisely opposing ways.
Let Fox own its Republican self. Let MSNBC embrace its Democratic leanings. Let CNN continue pretending it cares about news at all.
I don’t like Donald Trump, and never have, but I love the effect he is having on American politics. Everything he has proposed the U.S. Government has already done in spades. He is the real face, while others wear a mask(Hillary).
Mostly agree.
Because every MSM news outlet calling Trump a nazi is really neutral.
Excellent breakdown of the sham that poses as objectivity in news today. Journalists should be truth seekers, not corporate lackeys confined to parroting a bland and deceptive script. I had this argument with another writer recently who told me good journalists are neutral, while making no effort to hide her political bias in nearly any of her writings. I believe journalists are faced with decisions, those decisions should be based on facts, numbers, science, a variety of credible sources, and sound research. Do all of these things and you will uncover the truth.
Good column Glenn. I really appreciate your relentless advocacy for adversarial journalism stripped of faux-neutrality.
And this is a rule that NPR applies quite unevenly. The day Justice Scalia died Nina Rotenburg choked back tears as she discussed his legacy and described him as a “friend”. But she is still allowed to report on the Supreme Court without disclosing such relationships.
The rule only applies outside of establishment viewpoints…
Journalism is alive and well, when it comes to reporting facts. Sometimes journalists get upset when the facts lead in directions they don’t agree with.
well Jim, i think she could use another cinder block behind that right wheel …
“The medium is the message” and the medium is owned by profit seeking corporations which is a conflict of interest waiting to happen. Even, so called Public, PBS, NPR have mostly become shills for their corporate “sponsors”. Trump is telling the truth when he says he owns politicians and says it live on TV. You might think Americans would take to streets to demand change but no, they would elect this red haired white knight of the oligarchy to fix it……duuuh. Bernie Sanders is telling you, essentially the same thing but he is also telling you that politics can not be a spectator sport, he can not change things, only WE can change things….are we up to it, I’m not confident, hope I’m wrong. Wars`come and go, economy’s go up and down but we are close to our last chance to save the world from climate catastrophe. Are we up to it, will we sacrifice? Can we change? Will we?
Anyone who worries about too much objectivity in journalism, hasn’t been reading the Washington Post or New York Times lately.
Trump is a populist. He is speaking to the downtrodden and marginalized American workers who have born he brunt of America’s failed trade policies and foreign wars. Why isn’t their anger and demand for political change valid?
IT IS! Vote Bernie for real change and be prepared to take to the streets if you want your country back. Bernie won’t do it for you and he admits it. Trump won’t either but he leads you to believe he will. You want it, fight for it, voting is a bad joke.
I like Bernie a lot. I support Bernie. Gave him some money even. But the system is rigged. I mean, just look at it. Why aren’t liberals protesting the rigging of the Democratic Party’s nominating process? I mean how corrupt and in your face does it have to be?
Its really, really hard to beat a rigged game. If we don’t get Deus ex FBI on the private server scandal, Hillary continue her stroll to the nomination.
You are right-on point!
The ‘Democratic’ system is rigged for the establishment insider, and when a real outsider provides real hope for a real difference, then the people get real excited…
Virtually no one cares about “too much objectivity in journalism.” Certainly Glenn Greenwald has never evinced such a concern.
Rather, he rails against the pose of objectivity when establishment, corporate-culture bias is actually pervasive. Faux objectivity is sold to, and imposed on, reporters by forbidding them from making moral judgments or “taking sides” on any controversial position in which the Establishment has a stake or any political race between major parties.
These people could have been covering Mussolini or Stalin, and would have taken an “on the one hand, and on the other” approach. And reveled in their “objectivity.”
I don’t think so. I think they (a lot of the press) are cowards. They wouldn’t even report the facts. Or maybe they would, but their editor would spike it for being too controversial.
For example: I believe Dan Rather’s report on George W Bush. I think it was factual and probably correct. But he still got fired anyway. And Phil Donahue lost his show at MSNBC for the thought crime of questioning the Iraq war. But it is worse than that. People in the MSM don’t get promoted unless the support the MSM narrative.
My favorite is Faux News reporters en masse calling Suicide Bombers, Homicide Bombers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P74oHhU5MDk
That’s not inconsistent with what I wrote. In fact, it’s entirely consistent with it.
Si1ver1ock – Musings of a countrycide bomber opponent from 2002:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/04/14/homicide-bombers/
Please NPR and the media as a whole is about as objective as our colleges and universities…what a crock!!!
Isn’t this at least as much of an issue of superficiality as faux objectivity? Given the hunger and demands of immediately imposed upon the news cycle, events are rushed to publication with scant scrutiny and analysis.
The Rachel Maddow example points this out. Fact finding regarding Trump’s bogus claim of following law enforcement advice in cancelling Chicago and stringing together the broader history of his site selection strategy took time that the immediate interest in the events didn’t allow for.
The consequence of this cycle driven distortion is that many viewers/readers perceptions are formed based on those incomplete and superficial first-takes. This seems to be as much of a news production problem as it is news reporting issue.
*immediacy
I would suggest that anyone here against Trump should attend his next rally and rush at him on the stage to prove your vehement disagreement with him…
As many here know my husband spent the first 19 years of his life living under the umbrella of the USSR in communist Czechoslovakia. He emigrated to the US because he saw it as a beacon of the freedoms denied him during his youth.
During the run-up to the 2000 elections he pointed out to me how the US media were acting very much like their counterparts in his birth country, suppressing the truth and putting forth baldfaced lies that misled the vast majority of people who were either too overworked or frightened to seek out the truth.
I knew the media was an organ of state power, but it was really quite striking to be told by someone with direct experience that they were no different than countries that they vilified as thoroughly as they have Russia (and some others).
Just curious, but did your ‘husband’ enter this country legally?
Excuse you. That inquiry is irrelevant, and the quotation marks around “husband” are inappropriate.
“Just curious, but did your ‘husband’ . . .”
Grrr . . .
Just in case you’re “curious,” that stupid post will have pissed off any number of people here.
Me so sorry – NOT!
Why aren’t you sorry? Did you have any basis to question the legitimacy of either Mona’s marriage or her HUSBAND’s legal status? Or are you just being a asshole (I was going to say c**t, but I don’t presume to assume your gender…)
<blockquote either Mona’s marriage or her HUSBAND’s legal status?
Just to clarify, it was Pedinska who wrote about her Czech husband. But your point stands.
Just curious, but did your ‘husband’ enter this country legally?
Yes and there’s no need for quotation marks around husband. That sort of insinuation is unnecessary bullshit.
Until he met me, however, he had decided to not pursue full citizenship. He was in the process of looking into joining his twin brother in Australia. Four months after he met me he took his citizenship test. He was a citizen BEFORE we married.
p.s. He spent two years as a political refugee in a camp in Austria before the US deemed him ‘worthy’ of immigrating. He took me to that camp on one of our trips to visit his family in CR. Didn’t look like much ‘fun’. But people like you, who are suspicious of everyone else, wouldn’t know a goddamned thing about leaving behind everything you ever had, however little (because his parents refused to become Communist Party members), in search of something out there you know – or think you know – is better.
He did it the ‘right’ way.
Was it necessary to even answer that question? You guys overestimate that comment section. This is an anonymous individual who does not know you and probably does not even want to know you. You probably do not care about most of the people here anyway. You really think that individual cares about anybody’s stories here. You do not have to answer anybody’s questions or comments.
Hi,
May be the commenter to whom Pedinska responded didn’t care, but other people read comments too. I can’t speak for others, but I appreciated her detailed and illuminated reply.
You failed to mention the key difference between the media in America and the media under the soviets. In America, the media can lie and distort the truth ( Fox News) but other media outlets can challenge the lies ( sometimes with other lies: The Intercept). But journalists in America, whether liars, propagandists ( Greenwald) or truthful journalists are unlikely to be targeted by a death squad sent by the White House. All of you can complain about the mainstream media but how hard has it been for any of you to read, watch, listen…to dissenting opinions in America?
are you serious? trump supporters, some of them voters, know EXACTLY what trump means and what his anchor baby racist father meant, and they mean the same thing: white supermacy [make america great again], a big wall to keep mexicans out of the half of mexico the u s shamefully stole in 1848, and america for the [northern] europeans.
is there ANY doubt about this man?
most ‘journalists’ are hacks and whores and always have been. brought to you by the corporations that broadcast or print their ‘news.’ remember the maine, weapons of mass destruction, light at the end of the tunnel…
who needs to wait for information about trump that he has been trumpeting in the ny times and on nbc for decades?
Your argument is good, but your example is poor.
Trump’s call for violence get plenty of media coverage.
Rachel Maddow recently pointed out that Trump’s selections of St. Louis, Chicago and Cleveland suggests he intends a display of violence. And, I’ve seen the clip of a 78 year old man elbow punching an African American demonstrator numerous times. (Rarely though, do the reports follow with the observation that the demonstrator is arrested for being punched.)
In fact, I suspect Trump not only welcomes the violence but needs the violence for two significant reasons.
One, every fight needs two participants. The more fights, the more Trump can accuse his opponents of inciting violence — as he did recently speaking of Chicago and Sanders supporters. Making this claim all the more noteworthy, he blamed Sanders while three cable networks (CNN, MSNBC, Fox) interviewed him live while showing selective brawls … all as “breaking news.”
Second, the more violence at his rallies (to a certain extent) the more he can argue that people flock to him because they’re angry. It is at once an implied threat and explicit evidence of his “appeal” to voters.
Trump’s rise is dangerous and relies on violence, but corporate media aren’t hiding his message.
They’re exaggerating it.
You missed the main point of the article. I didn’t say his call for violence got no coverage. Everything Trump says and does has gotten massive coverage. I said journalists are barred by their own media organization’s “rules” from denouncing it, or expressing opinions on anything else he’s doing – as the NPR controversy demonstrates.
Citing Rachel Maddow proves the point, not undermines it, since she’s considered by MSNBC to be an opinion journalist and thus not subject to the rules to which its “reporters” and those at other organizations are bound.
So, you are upset that journalist’s opinions are relegated to opinion pieces?
Here is my opinion. Trump is not a racist or a bigot. Journalists like to think that their “opinions” make them better than other people. They don’t. President Obama probably shares your opinions, but what does that matter? He still kills people. Muslim people.
I don’t disagree.
Media advocates. Necessarily. Axiomatically.
The act of pointing a camera, putting words to paper (etc.), selecting a story, calling X event “breaking news” — even the advertisements surrounding a story (including product placements and commercials as news) — all convey an implicit set of values.
Journalists (mostly) aren’t hired for their opinions, their journalistic/investigative skills, or their dedication to truth and/or objectivity. They’re hired to comply.
That’s it.
The “bar” from expressing opinions might equally be a bar to coming to work nude. People know the rules before they get hired.
So you’re absolutely correct Mr. Greenwald.
I’d change one word in your conclusion:
Better examples than Trump’s advocating violence (which should be deplored) — and which has been tacitly denounced by questions about white supremacy, David Duke, clips of Trump promising to pay the legal fees of those attacking protesters, etc. — include the NYTimes delaying Risen’s eavesdropping story before the 2004 election, the distinct lack of reporting on fracking, climate change, or citizen’s united.
It isn’t just ludicrous for NPR to make rules about “opinionating” by their employees, it’s intentional branding designed to disguise their editorial advocacy as somehow objective and trustworthy.
“Trump’s rise is dangerous and relies on violence, but corporate media aren’t hiding his message.
They’re exaggerating it.”
But definitely not something YOU would ever engage in, right, Miltie?
Since I don’t recognize your nom de cyber and therefore have no history as a guide, I can’t tell if you’re trying to be humorous, insulting, annoying or just misleading.
Are you trying to say I rely on violence to deliver my message?
Are you trying to say my message is dangerous and relies on violence.
Are you trying to say I’m exaggerating something?
Are you trying to call me hypocritical?
If you you want to deliver some sort of smack, at least try to be clear about it.
Mainstream media types like Cokie Roberts are suddenly finding their voice now that it’s uncouth Donald Trump who’s summoning the dark forces of fascism. Where were they when George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and countless others were doing the same thing, albeit with more euphemisms, 10+ years ago? Where we they when Obama’s spokesman said that Anwar Al-Awlaki’s teenage son “should’ve had a better father,” after the boy was drone-bombed?
I know this article is meant to defend the principle of journalistic opinion regardless of the hypocrisy of the speaker, and I agree with that principle. Nonetheless, I can’t resist pointing out that the DC types who have come out to denounce Trump might be doing so not because of his latent (or manifest) fascism, but because they sense he might upset the applecart of its continuing, though unacknowledged, creep into American life in a way that benefits the establishment.
Given that even mild criticisms of the military-industrial complex or the national security state are barely tolerated in official discourse, I can understand why Beltway mavens might be alarmed at a billionaire veering off-script.
What I have a harder time convincing myself of is why the rest of us shouldn’t be delighted that someone with a large public platform is questioning, among other things, trade deals that benefit plutocrats and military adventurism. Yes, rationally, I know the answer is because in this case it comes wrapped in the cloak of fascism, but the schadenfreude is really too hard to resist – at least at the moment.
I agree. However, I’m not too disturbed about the Fascism bit. We have a Supreme Court and a Congress that will channel and mitigate anything too wild, barring exigent circumstances like a new Peal Harbor.
Obama said he would close Gitmo.
He also, said he would change the way Washington works.
He said he would increase transparency.
Here in the twilight of the Obama regime, it sounds more like a comedy routine than campaign promises. Seriously. You could put a laugh track after each of these assertions.
Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwZSQrDuYzo
Indeed. NPR did nothing when NPR reporter Mara Liason called for Democrats to resign for visiting Iraq in 2002-3 to try and stop the war (on Fox News, no less!- though she did apologize later), nor did they do anything when NPR anchor Scott Simon wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal proclaiming that Colin Powell’s UN testimony proved Iraq’s possession of WMD beyond a doubt.
Yes every news site has a bias…but what if the facts don’t lean the same way your bias does? Then you get “Breitbart”. Utter chaos at Breitbart” news. The web site sent someone they trusted enough to cover the presidential election to a Trump event, and when she reported back that she was assaulted by Trump’s campaign manager, suddenly her employer is saying she’s not credible. Many resignations later and Breitbart even took the step of…well I don’t know how to describe it, there’s the doxing of a Breitbart editor’s father, a yellow star of david, and a “friends of hamas reference”
OMG!!!
I propose that all loyal readers of TI NEVER again go to breitbart.com – that’ll teach ’em…
Thats Rich coming from David Greene who when interviewing Darrell Issa about the FBI and Apple kept repeating already debunked positions that the FBI was just after one phone. To the point where Issa called him out on it for perpetuating propaganda. So objectivity to him must be whatever his masters tell him.
Glenn, what are your recommendations for daily news outlets? There are many of us who can see through the corporate journalism propaganda. Unfortunately 99% of people don’t. Other than the Intercept, where can we turn? Propublica, the Nation…
Pacifica Radio, especially Democracy Now! and Richard Wolff.
and also CommonDreams and truthdig etc.
Nowhere in journalism is “objectivity” more problematic than in reporting on climate change. The almost reflexive requirement to give equal weight to both sides fundamentally distorts perception of the scientific consensus.
Anyway, I think the other factor that has been at work for a while is that conservatives, mainly, have bashed journalists with the “liberal bias” stick. And journalists sought refuge in “objectivity”, rather than accuracy in reporting. And this NPR controversy shows exactly where such a choice has lead.
“media coverage, where little journalistic alarm over Trump is expressed” – HELLO!!!? Give me a break: you probably missed all these tons of Anti-TRUMPaganda! Or it’s more about the seemingly powerlessness of all that media crusade against Trump: your arrogance can’t stand the fact that all that sh*t u throw against Trump doesn’t seem to have ur claimed allmighty effect … and if the people are really so reluctant in not doing what u tell them to do (which is: NOT voting 4 Trump), then u call 4 censorship! Not Trump is a threat against democracy and freedom: U R!
So, NPR needs to protect itself from appearing as if it is not
objective when it wants to censure one of its mouthers
because that mouth dared to argue that the fake U$A needs
to continue and strengthen its drive for global corporate domination
by rejecting a candidate who is the epitome of what that mouth
wants to protect because even though NPR shares the same beliefs
as the mouth it wants to censure , it must not overtly show
how it favors the same thing through its own editing of what is
newsworthy.
This pseudo-rift is right up there with humanitarian bombings.
It seems some are ignorant of Donald Trump’s cultivation of violence (or they are [retending they are), and its use by his supporters at campaign events. One reporter at CNN — Jake Tapper — is somewhat of an exception to the failure of the corporate media’s failure to expose the reality of Trump.
Tapper pressed Trump hard on his thinly veiled promotion of violence:
I’m not denying any of that.
If you read what Trump is saying, even without the full context, it’s clear (demonstrably) that Trump is talking about self defense.
The Fayetteville thing is shameful and seems to be an exception.
My point is not to defend Trump. It is to try and make the point that Bernie is worse. And it should be no surprise. Everybody that’s spoken like him in the past 100 years that came to power was/is a mass murderer, including Castro and the other people HRC was correctly attacking him for praising.
I would love to get together and moan about how bad and violent Trump is. But Bernie is worse when you look under the covers. That’s my point. You can’t use violence to win an argument, and kudos to Trump for standing up to it. Bernie’s response to the Chicago shutdown is all you need to read to agree that he ain’t no peacemaker. It is easy to justify your own violence when the only reason anyone could disagree with you is that they’rd pure evil and deserve, at the very least, to have their property confiscated.
Oh man, that’s so delusional.
Oh Jose, that’s so compelling.
People as deluded as you are sincerely frighten me. There is no reasoning with such self-deception.
Donald Trump is supported by the KKK, Stormfront, David Duke and other racist and white nationals groups and people for reasons. These same reasons are why he (calculatedly) draws intense anger from marginalized racial and religious minorities.
They come to protest his rallies, where they are met by racist, white nationalist Trumpites, who see them as sub-human. These foul people yell: “Go back to Africa!’ ” “Go to Auschwitz!” And some hit and shove.
What does Trump have to say? He demures that his supporters are simply “passionate.” He insists he knows nothing about the Klan (his father was a member), and there may be some good groups in it.
Donald Trump has given permission to unleash all the hatreds some hold for blacks, Muslims and Hispanics.
And Jews. Quite regardless of the few Orthodox (and insane) Jews who support Trump, including his Orthodox daughter and son-in-law, Trump fans have spouted tons of viciously antisemitic filth. They do it here, in comments. They do it on Twitter, to Jewish people. To Jewish people who are deeply critical of Israel — these Jewish people seen a large uptick in antisemitic spewings.
Trump is many things, but stupid is not one of them. He knows exactly what he’s doing. And fomenting violence is one of them
And surely you don’t hold Trump responsible for the secret service. Did you hold Obama responsible for the SS debacles he’s presided over?
The Secret Service, no. Now please address the points I have made.
Look at the last paragraph of your blockquote and tell me to address points you’ve made again.
I’m “deluded.” OK. I don’t dispute the points you’be made re: Trump. I’ve never said David Duke supports Trump for no reason. What’s that you said about addressing points you made? Best way to get a courtesy is to lead by example.
How many Sanders rallies have been cancelled because of violent Trump supporters? Exactly. Hold whatever standard you want but at least have the intellectual integrity to admit it’s a double one.
I despise Trump and almost everything he says and stands for. Bernie is more dangerous and would lead to more violence. That’s what I think, even if it leads to you calling me “deluded,” which is not an argument but of course you know that.
None. Trump rallies have been cancelled because of violent Trump supporters.
> Trump rallies have been cancelled because of violent Trump supporters.
The chance that an impartial observer would come to this conclusion is so remote that you discredit yourself simply by writing it. Are you in politics, Mona? What do you do for a living?
Yeah….bit of a non sequitur from my statement to your claim. Your claim is unsubstantiated and doesn’t seem to accord with the reporting, for instance, by NPR: http://www.npr.org/2016/03/11/470154065/donald-trump-rally-in-chicago-canceled-amid-widespread-protests
Hard to believe that you believe that 10,000 people planning to disrupt the rally and then going and instigating like they did are “peaceful,” but OK. The article also quotes Trump saying, about said rally, “I don’t condone violence.” But only the deluded, steeped in self-deceit, are at all worried about the Sanderista faction.
@CDV, Mona is a lawyer.
> @CDV, Mona is a lawyer.
Thanks, Macroman. There’s such an amazing disconnect right now, between objective events — complete with audio or video transcript that everyone on the internet has access to — and the way those events are being cropped and filtered by the media, to imply a narrative that’s contradicted by the events themselves. And yes, that takes gumption, but I can understand it coming from corporate media outlets. Their owners have financial interests. Maybe I’d do it, too, in their shoes.
What I can’t wrap my head around are real people, like Mona, a lawyer, I guess, who wouldn’t seem to have any financial interests, but who emphatically push the cropped and filtered version of events anyway. Why? I just don’t get it.
Take a look at this whole post. I’m not trying to pick on the poster, so I’m replying to myself, not her. But it’s a perfect example. How could an articulate writer, with no conflict of interest, possibly research the objective, transcribed events and speeches that have taken place, and come up with the following summary? I mean, this is twilight zone material. Why? Where is it coming from?
” People as deluded as you are sincerely frighten me. There is no reasoning with such self-deception.
” Donald Trump is supported by the KKK, Stormfront, David Duke and other racist and white nationals groups and people for reasons. These same reasons are why he (calculatedly) draws intense anger from marginalized racial and religious minorities.
” They come to protest his rallies, where they are met by racist, white nationalist Trumpites, who see them as sub-human. These foul people yell: “Go back to Africa!’ ” “Go to Auschwitz!” And some hit and shove.
” What does Trump have to say? He demures that his supporters are simply “passionate.” He insists he knows nothing about the Klan (his father was a member), and there may be some good groups in it.
” Donald Trump has given permission to unleash all the hatreds some hold for blacks, Muslims and Hispanics.
” And Jews. Quite regardless of the few Orthodox (and insane) Jews who support Trump, including his Orthodox daughter and son-in-law, Trump fans have spouted tons of viciously antisemitic filth. They do it here, in comments. They do it on Twitter, to Jewish people. To Jewish people who are deeply critical of Israel — these Jewish people seen a large uptick in antisemitic spewings.
” Trump is many things, but stupid is not one of them. He knows exactly what he’s doing. And fomenting violence is one of them ”
Unreal…
Macroman:
Tell us: do you feel Bernie is more dangerous because he’s hiding something, or do you feel he’s more dangerous because the racists and triggered authoritarians gravitating to Trump would burn the country if Bernie wins?
Your whole question is a false choice that gives away your politics, which are violent. Bernie is not hiding anything. It is his supporters that will be responsible for violence, not the response of Trump’s supporters to a Bernie win. I’m not too worried about that possibility.
Violence is what Bernie stands for. His ideology requires that you either agree with him or die or go to jail. Many of his supporters believe everyone against them deserves a violent response. This is like, totally not the first time this sort of thing has happened. And every time it has happened, there is political violence. Glorifying Che Guevara is a lot worse than glorifying Trump, for example.
The media must proceed carefully. Mr. Trump’s followers have been trained to despise the ‘Liberal Media’, immunizing him against attack. In fact, the stronger the criticism, the more his support will grow.
Before the campaign, who would have imagined the leading Republican candidate would take on Fox News and turn his base against them? NPR is too small a fish, but he would love nothing better than to instigate a fight with one of the media whales – or all of them together.
His campaign thrives on attention and has proven effective at generating it. The three most despised institutions in the US are Congress, Big Business and Television News. Trump is going to turn his campaign into an attack on all three.
In the quest for ‘balance’, what happened to right and wrong? Beware the paradox of tolerance: all that evil needs to thrive, is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
The media could take on Mr. Trump. And they will, if it becomes clear he will not be the nominee. But until that time, it would be foolish of them to burn any bridges. Their business model will be damaged if they are not issued White House press credentials.
However, the press is far from toothless. If the Republican establishment appear to be regaining control of their party, with a good chance of inserting their preferred puppet at a brokered convention, then the press will spring into action. Suddenly a vast array of academic experts will be mobilized to denounce Mr. Trump and his followers. He will be described as the most dangerous threat to democracy since Adolph Hitler.
So the current press model isn’t broken. It’s a hypersensitive barometer of the political environment. It will protect its access by celebrating the powerful and tearing apart the weak. The jury is still out on which fate awaits Mr. Trump.
Of course, some smaller media companies who aren’t going to receive invitations to the White House Correspondents Dinner don’t have to play the game. However, they’re not really relevant to the general election.
The truth may not be dead, but you have certainly skewered it most brutally on the tip of your wit.
Yes, because without Mother Media telling us how to think, feel and vote, we would have no way to know what is the ‘right’ way…
…and by all means, we must stifle the speech of those with whom we disagree.
I have my doubts about this one. For a moment I misread the headline and thought that you were about to bash the rise of non-objective journalism, where Fox News has one truth and MS-NBC another and most people don’t notice that, say, opposing the TPP and increased immigration doesn’t really fit into any of their worldviews.
At least superficially, the case of NPR seems like a poor one to use for criticizing the corporate mindset, since as Wikipedia puts it, NPR is “an American privately and publicly funded non-profit membership media organization”. Of course, in reality there is a strong corporate aspect to virtually all non-profits, and whether a CEO and his close buddies claim to work for shareholders or donors their only real interest is lining their own pockets. Still, going with an “exception that proves the rule” twice over – once because Cokie wasn’t published, and again because it’s not a normal corporation – well, it seems like a stretch.
I think the realities here are vastly more fundamental, more radical. We should not have a copyright system that rewards “news” people who cater to advertisers and owners. We should have a guaranteed basic income for all citizens representing royalties owed due to the common stewardship by natural right of the Earth’s natural resources for all people. We should not have governments that take away the right to communicate and sell it to cable franchisees and licensed broadcasters, but have fair and equal rights for every human being to broadcast that they can assign temporarily to help boost the broadcast power of outlets in which they wish to collaborate. We should, therefore, have journalist-knights who take no payment and make no compromises, doing battle across the free airwaves according to truth and conscience.
Nothing else will truly do, and in the end there will be a terrible cost for these failures.
Correction: Cokie wasn’t punished, I meant to say.
Investigative journalism and exposing truths are certainly noble objectives in journalism at large, but where would one distinguish between perspective and propaganda? Surely, the responsibility is on the reader to use various sources of information – taking care to observe all sides and form meaningful opinions – but shouldn’t some neutrality exist as a way of determining a middle ground from which to observe the arguments on either side?
You say in the article, in the first paragraph, that Trump has used violence. Is that true? Have Trump supporters acted violently at Bernie rallies? Did a Trump supporter rush the stage and try to grab Bernie? Or is it the other way around?
I am no Trump supporter but you seem to have this violence thing backwards. As you say to charliethreee, “the test is accuracy.”
No. It says the Trump campaign “predictably moves from toxic rhetoric targeting the most marginalized minorities to threats and use of violence.” Over the weekend Trump’s Twitter account told Bernie Sanders to stop sending his supporters to Trump’s rallies (there’s no evidence Sanders is doing so), or Trump was going to send his to Sanders rallies. The threat to use his (Trump’s) hate-filled, violent supporters was impossible to ignore.
OK, the campaign, then. I saw that tweet. I also saw MoveOn.org took credit, among other Sandersonian outfits, for disrupting the Chicago rally. I’m not saying Trump is a fount of peace, but I interpret Trump’s campaign as attempting to defend itself against violence. They are not starting the violence, but of course they will respond in kind to attacks from left-wing psychos (aka Bernie supporters). Just kidding. All you guys are really nice and would never punch anyone because you can’t win an argument. Unlike Trump, of the “dark side.” Sheesh.
Note that you initially question what Glenn wrote about “threats and use of violence” and then you go on to lie about something he didn’t write at all, as can be seen in my quote from you. As you must certainly be aware, Trump has at *His rallies, not “Bernie rallies,” used language and phrases promoting violence. There should be no need to quote the several times that he has done that, and there should be no need to link to the several times that people have violently attacked people at his rallies. It’s all out there. One example would be the man who sucker punched the man being escorted out of a Trump rally, and then later Trump on national news saying he would look into paying the man’s legal fees after the man was charged with assault and battery and disorderly conduct.
Sorry, what did I lie about? I asked a question. A pertinent question to the point I understood Glenn was making. I didn’t attribute to Glenn something he didn’t write.
“Languages and phrases,” yes. But that does not mean the “campaign” has “use[d]” violence.
Lying to try and make someone else look like a liar. Hmmmm. Sounds just like violent Bernie supporters disrupting rallies and then blaming reactions on unprovoked fascism. Lemme guess, you support Bernie. Don’t lie!
You can either admit to having lied about what Glenn didn’t write, or you can admit to not being able to comprehend what you’ve read as you inject language and words supposedly from the writer which the writer did not write. Take your pick. Seems you’ve chosen some of both.
You’ve also chosen to pretend or lie about not having noticed that violent rhetoric and actual violence have been prevalent at Trump rallies. See Mona’s comment post, with quotes, addressing that up thread.
Already responded to Mona.
Have no idea what you’re talking about for the rest. Have a nice day!
And what of the violence perpetrated against non-Trump supporters (often not even actively protesting non-Trump supporters) at his own rallies? Does that not count because it’s part of his campaigning?
It counts. As long as the Bernie supporters’ violence counts as well. Not all of the protestors have been peaceful.
Most of the protesters have been peaceful but have had violence directed against them by Trump supporters and/or Trump security details.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/trump-violence
Umm… every Trump article I’ve seen has been negative- what are you talking about?
Right. One ofany problems with this narrative. It is just a stretched attempt to say journalism is not, cannot be, and shouldn’t be “objective.” Other than that, he doesn’t seem to be addressing reality.
I’d guess that to a good extent you can expect that to continue. But Greenwald’s writing on Trump has been accurate, and this from an older column is not wholly negative:
Did you just decide to ignore NPR’s literal ban on criticizing Trump? Are all the people angry about the media’s refusal/inability to denounce Trump just hallucinating? Do you actually deny that the rules of most major media outlets prohibit journalists from doing exactly what you’re now claiming they’re doing?
Everyone thinks “the media” is biased against whatever or whomever they like (conservatives insist there is a Liberal Media while liberals insist the media loves the GOP), so I don’t expect Trump supporters or sympathizers to think the media has refrained from criticizing him. But as the NPR controversy demonstrates, their formal rules – and informal notions of “objectivity” – explicitly bar them from doing so.
So citing one example = all media are giving Trump a pass?
I am NOT a Trump supporter sir.
True. But only for their own reporters. They can bring on as many guests to criticize Trump as they wish.
This leaves them the option of bringing on guests to praise Trump if he wins the election. It would be harder to explain how all their reporters had suddenly had a change of heart. News media companies can’t just live in the moment. They have to think about things like plausible deniability.
Just the title alone is enough to show you’re obfuscating. And I listen to NPR. Trump bashing was the main theme of the morning news when he started the campaign. They’re switching to “objectivity” now that’s it’s clear he’ll be the nominee. He will be the nominee because of, not in spite of, mainstream media opposition.
It appears you want the best of both worlds: The Intercept staff seem to bash Fox News types for being partisan but have no problem being partisan themselves? Maybe we oughta regulate the shit out of yall, give the consumer some cigarette pack-like warning labels for all news websites… some type of label slash scale expressing whose team you are on.
No, absolutely nobody does this. The test is accuracy: is what you’re saying accurate and based in fact? I seriously doubt anyone at the Intercept has ever criticized any media outlet merely for having a perspective.
Accuracy is relative GG. Accuracy with math is one thing; accuracy in politics / ideology is a completely different concept.
Do not misinterpret my comment. I stand behind you most of the time but you do not get a 100% pass from me… I am critical of everybody, including yourself, and, I think, you missed the mark on this article.
There are lots of news outlets that appear to be trying to stop Trump. Just Saturday I was watching MSNBC for a few minutes. On a split screen they were broadcasting Trump speaking to a crowd while showing an old woman holding a Trump = Hate sign.
I also remember reading a story here about how Joe Scarborough was a trump whore. There are lots of examples on how the Intercept has gone after other news outlets for accuracy and bias. Yall have written a ton of critical work about the accuracy of Fox. Neutrality in news stopped being popular long ago.
Keep up the great work.
Why bother “regulating the shit out of all news media websites” The vast majority of the mainstream media is nothing more than a sick and weak, Corporate/Government propaganda machine anyway. The Intercept on the other hand is editorial free, and you are completely inaccurate – TheIntercept has only ever criticized other media outlets for inaccuracies, lies, manipulation, and for leaving out important facts. It is sad that so much of this is prevail ant in the weak corporate, Billdeberg mass mainstream media.
I’m reasonably sure that has never happened. In fact, I don’t recall any Intercept story saying much of anything about Fox News.
Moreover, and as has already been pointed out, this site has not rejected “partisan” journalism. Certainly Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill are activist journalists, not reporters lauding so-called “objectivity.”
But they insist on being fact-based. Accuracy is crucial, regardless of the journalist’s point of view.
Well stated!!