As the authorities in Belgium responded to a series of bomb attacks in Brussels on Tuesday, social networks were quickly flooded with images from witnesses to the immediate aftermath of the deadly explosions at the capital’s main airport and a central metro station.
The first two explosions were reported at Brussels Airport outside the city in Zaventem, where at least 12 people were killed and about 100 were injured.
Witnesses at the airport shared dramatic video and photographs of the smoke-filled terminal, wounded passengers, and the chaotic evacuation following the blasts.
— david crunelle (@davidcrunelle) March 22, 2016
— david crunelle (@davidcrunelle) March 22, 2016
Footage immediately after explosions @BrusselsAirport #vrtnieuws #terreur #zaventem pic.twitter.com/JgJfcTSxaO
— Steven Decraene (@stevencraneTV) March 22, 2016
Pinchas Kupferstein, who told the Belgian website Joods Actueel (Jewish News) he had driven to the airport from Antwerp to meet a friend, shot harrowing video of passengers running from the damaged terminal.
More clips of the chaos inside, shared on WhatsApp and other social platforms, were soon picked up and distributed by news organizations, like the Associated Press.
Some of the most distressing images of the aftermath were posted on Facebook by Ketevan Kardava, a Brussels-based correspondent for the national broadcaster of Georgia, the former Soviet republic, and Jef Versele, a Belgian brewer.
One witness, an art director named David Crunelle, also attempted to debunk a rumor that Islamic slogans had been shouted before the explosions at the airport.
To journalists : no, nobody shouted islamic sentences before the two explosions. Please stop asking this. Thanks.
— david crunelle (@davidcrunelle) March 22, 2016
About an hour after the attack on the airport, an explosion at the Maelbeek metro station in the city center, near the European Commission headquarters, killed at least 20 people and injured more than 100.
Witnesses shared images of the scene outside the station after that explosion.
Explosión metro maalbeek pic.twitter.com/9KIEhLMOin
— Serge Massart (@massart_serge) March 22, 2016
Fumée métro maelbeeck #bruxelles @RTBFinfo pic.twitter.com/YVRVh2wwXa
— JF (@jfbxl) March 22, 2016
Arrêt Maelbeek #brussels pic.twitter.com/JmMgLFgcvL
— Pauline Armandet (@PaulineArmandet) March 22, 2016
Several of the injured are being treated outside #Maalbeek metro station following a blast there #Brusselshttps://t.co/41qMypHdHB
— BBC Breakfast (@BBCBreakfast) March 22, 2016
Pieter Van Ostaeyen, a researcher who has tracked the role of Belgians fighting in Syria and Iraq for extremist groups like the Nusra Front and the Islamic State, shared what appeared to be a very graphic image of a subway car completely torn apart by the blast.
Soon after, several passengers who had been on other trains close to Maelbeek shared video clips of their frightening evacuation through the darkness of the underground tunnels.
On the Metro between Schuman and Maelbeek. We have just been stopped due to an "incident on the line". Can hear soft thudding in distance.
— Evan Lamos (@evanlamos) March 22, 2016
We felt a blast of air and my ears popped shortly after leaving Schuman station. The Metro stopped immediately.
— Evan Lamos (@evanlamos) March 22, 2016
Here's another video of the scene in the Metro, while waiting to evacuate. pic.twitter.com/WAf0b6Divi
— Evan Lamos (@evanlamos) March 22, 2016
This was the scene a short while ago, between the Arts-Lois and Maelbeek metro stations in Brussels. pic.twitter.com/aTZjqsF7Gt
— Evan Lamos (@evanlamos) March 22, 2016
Evacuation du metro juste avant Maelbeek #brussels traumatisant pic.twitter.com/5MmRIelAC2
— Quentin Genaille (@zhuyida) March 22, 2016
The scene inside Brussels metro as passengers walked along the tracks following the explosion at Maelbeck stationhttps://t.co/X8AYzXGaLX
— Guardian news (@guardiannews) March 22, 2016
Walking in darkness along metro tracks in Brussels – video via Jennifer Dassy of @RTBF LIVE: https://t.co/xmlDcDTtcW pic.twitter.com/yQkWA6epV0
— Mark Frankel (@markfrankel29) March 22, 2016
Dear Trump & Cruz: Muslim Turkey arrested Brussels Terrorist & Gave him to European Authorities
By Juan Cole
The paroxysms of hatred and bigotry spewed by the two GOP frontrunners in the 2016 presidential campaign probably do not need any pretext, since Trump and Cruz are clearly sadistic and unfair individuals. But the Brussels airport and metro attacks gave them another excuse to blame all Muslims for the actions of a tiny fringe.
Trump accused Muslims of not reporting terrorist activity to the government, and suggested that torture would be useful, and then wanted to put all mosques under surveillance, and again called for a Muslim exclusion act regarding Muslims coming to the US. Cruz appears to think that Muslim Americans live all together so that their ‘neighborhoods’ can be patrolled.
But most Muslims in the US are not segregated in that way, living in amongst all other kinds of Americans. Most terrorism in the US is anyway by white nationalists and anti-abortion nuts.
Ripping up the Bill of Rights is an odd platform for “conservative” candidates. What is it that they want to conserve if not the Constitution? Arbitrary search and seizure of personal papers and effects, which is what they mean by surveillance, was the technique used by George III, against whom the American Revolution was fought to stop such abuses. Trump and Cruz want to go back to those George III techniques.
But in any case, it turns out that the central premise of this sort of hate speech toward Muslims is simply incorrect.
Turkey, a Muslim-majority state, arrested one of the Brussels attackers (Ibrahim El Bakraoui?) in summer of 2015, in Gaziantep not far from Syria. Turkey determined that the individual had links to terrorist groups and posed a danger. It then turned him back over to Europe with a warning that he was, in Ankara’s view, a very dangerous individual.
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From http://www.juancole.com/2016/03/dear-trump-cruz-muslim-turkey-arrested-brussels-terrorist-gave-him-to-holland.html
You can never trust the turkeys. They know very well that nowhere in the civilized world will any person be convicted based on no evidence of guilt, so they just pass on returning ISIS fighters without any proof, because of which they get released in no time. Now the murderers are in the right place to do their mischief.
Instead, the turkeys must chop off the heads of the returning ISIS people if indeed turkeys want to prove they are not playing fowl.
MK Ultra + Operation Northwoods + Operation Gladio = 9/11, Boston, Paris, Belgium, Sandy Hook, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, Washington Navy Yard, ………… ad nauseam!!!!
Belgium authorities knew it in advance. The suicide bombers were detained as terrorists on Syrian Turkish border and deported to Benelux and then released and came to Brussels; Here is more:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-23/explosive-accusation-belgium-had-advance-and-precise-warning-about-airport-and-subwa
That appears to be correct. From The Guardian:
If only our spy agencies had more money and broader authority — they could answer the phone and make notes.
Ok. I just woke up and turned to Intercept for some news.
The author is informing us of some explosions in Brussels. I am trying desperately to learn who did this. Let’s see: it is probably not something related to Arabs or muslims, see debunked notion of Arabic slogans screemed before explosions; perhapse it is Pinchas Kupferstein or Ketevak Kardava with some connection to the former Soviet Union – FSB/KGB; or Jeff Versele, the brewer; or Pieter Van Ostaeyen? I don’t know, but based on reading this, I tend to believe that Russkies are involved for sure. Great journalism…
This is a single article from yesterday at around 10 AM, not a continually updated feed. The Intercept does not specialize in breaking news.
Who said anything about continuos feed or 24/7 news?! However, when you write about an event, you have to provide basics, and the author took great pains not to mention anything related to Arabs, terrorists or muslims. So, again, it must be Russians or even better: the Jews…
Yet this “story” is front and center again.
Pure YELLOW PRESS. Images of an attack?
Comic books are popular theses days. I’m sure there’s a brand to be found that people will marvel at.
Betsy: following the team concept of No Idea is a Bad Idea is generally OK for canapes but, really, you shouldn’t serve chicken tartar.
Yes, giving equal weight to attacks that kill civilians in Yemen as well as to attacks that kill civilians in Brussels is great journalism.
If you want 24-7 coverage of the attacks in Brussels, well, how about looking at European English-language broadcasts like the France24 live stream?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq11un3xqsA
Nobody mentioned Marinus van der Lubbe as yet.
How not to talk about Muslims after a Fringe Terrorist Group attacks
byJuan Cole, at http://www.juancole.com/2016/03/how-not-to-talk-about-muslims-after-a-fringe-terrorist-group-attacks.html
Excerpts:
1. Stop calling Daesh “the Islamic State.” They are manipulating you. They aren’t a state and they aren’t Islamic. If some fringe cult took over some villages in Mexico and called itself “The Vatican,” then committed terrorism, would journalists blithely say on air “Today, the Vatican killed 39 and injured 200 with a bomb belt”?
2. Call the terrorists “Muslim” if you have to characterize them, not “Islamic” or even worse, “Islamics.” There is no such thing as “Islamic” terrorism. The word “Islamic” has to do with the ideals and verities of the religion of Islam, and is analogous to “Judaic.”
[I have been hammering out this point here and I am glad to see that there’s a non-Muslim scholar who agrees with me. But many of those who keep calling terrorism Islamic (which means, “According to the teachings of Islam”) most likely DO WANT to link it with the religion of Islam.]
3. Stop suggesting that there is something wrong with Muslims that they keep producing terrorists. All the major world faiths produce violent people. In the Rwanda genocide of the 1990s, Christian Hutus murdered between 500,000 and 1 million other people, and the Christian churches were deeply involved in enabling this slaughter.
4. Call terrorism ‘terrorism’ no matter who commits it. When Basques blew up a gas station in Madrid, the US press did not report it, much less terming it ‘terrorism.’
5. Muslims are a sixth of humankind and hail from all sorts of backgrounds, ethnicities, and languages. There are 40 million Chinese Muslims. There are 23 million Russian ones. Ethiopian Muslims and Senegalese Muslims have little in common despite being African, and neither has much in common with Bangladeshi Muslims. To tag all of them with the actions of some violent Brussels slum-dwellers of North African heritage is weird. It is exactly like assuming that all American Christians want to kill Tutsis, just because Hutu Christians did.
6. Show some basic humanity and sympathize with Muslim victims of terrorism (and they are the main victims nowadays). It is right that we show solidarity with the Brussels victims and that we say “we are Brussels.” But why aren’t we “Istanbul” or “Beirut” or “Baghdad” when those cities are blown up by Dash?
7. Recognize that most Muslims actively despise Daesh and similar violent cults. There are only like 30,000 Daesh fighters, and that’s in an area with lots of armed groups. They don’t like Daesh and won’t join it.
8. Show your Muslim neighbor (or even more likely in the US, physician) some love. Daesh (ISIS, ISIL) does these horrible things to get people of Christian heritage to be beastly to the Muslims in their midst, spreading hatred and anger and a sense of victimization. Daesh is hoping to use *you* to drive other Muslims into their arms.
I have only copied and pasted parts of most of the above points. They are detailed in his article, the link to which is at the top of this post.
Yeah, but, what about ISRAEL? How would they manipulate and influence the hearts and minds of the American (gullible) public without these denigrating epithets and practices?
Salah Abdeslam: pot-smoking enigma of Paris attacks
Salah Abdeslam, the key suspect in the Paris attacks arrested on Friday, showed little sign of religious fervour before the assaults and was even known to enjoy a beer and a joint in the bar he ran with his brother in the Brussels district where he was captured.
[…]
But far from being religious fanatics, Salah and Brahim were known to enjoy a drink and some pot in Les Beguines, the bar they ran in Molenbeek.
The bar was shut down two weeks before the Paris attacks after police said it was used “for the consumption of banned hallucinogenic substances”.
A Molenbeek resident, who identified himself only as Youssef, told AFP last year the brothers were “friends of ours, big smokers, big drinkers, but not radicals”.
Some people in the US and Europe do understand that the Islamic faith is very diverse, just as the Christian faith is, with many branches, and most don’t advocate violent intolerance of other faiths. However, just as with Christianity, some branches do.
A Christian example was seen in the Spanish Inquisition, initiated around 1500 A.D. by the Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. Their agenda was all about forcing Jews and Muslims to convert or leave Spain; and Catholics who abandoned their faith were declared ‘apostate’ and persecuted – tortured to death, their possessions seized, etc.
Know of any Islamic countries that are pursuing that same agenda today? Run by a dictatorial “Royal Family” that beheads Muslims who want to change their faith? That supports a branch of Islam known as “Wahhabi Salafism” whose adherents believe the persecution and murder of Jews and Christians is in accordance with Islamic principles, just as the Spanish Inquisition did with Jews and Muslims? That’s what ISIS has been doing in Syria and Iraq, correct?
Here’s an interesting article on how that Wahhabi-Salafist ideology was spread to European mosques that were financed by Saudi Arabia:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brussels-attacks-saudi-arabia-influence-oil-contracts-sowed-seeds-radicalism-belgium-great-mosque-a6745996.html
“Although the mosque was treated as the official voice of Muslims in Belgium, its radical Salafist teachings came from a very different tradition to the Islam of the new immigrants [from Turkey and Morocco].”
Other branches of Islam entirely repudiate this Wahhabi Salafist doctrine – the Sufis, the Shia, and moderate Sunnis want nothing to do with their preaching of hatred and murder. But the monarchies of the Middle East support it, that’s undeniable.
Of course, it’s not all Saudi Arabia’s fault – for decades, starting with the rise of nationalists like Nasser in Egypt, America and Europe often backed radical Islamic groups as an anti-Soviet proxy force that would be sure to oppose the Godless Soviets during the Cold War – also seen in the history of CIA backing for the early Muslim Brotherhood as an anti-Nasser force, the rise of the ideology of Sayyid Qutb, which influenced Osama bin Laden and formed the core of Al Qaeda theology – and the Salafist preachers who are given safe haven by the Saudi Royal Family in exchange for their dedication to keeping the Royals in power and helping to prevent a Saudi transition to parliamentary democracy.
Now, however, you have these Saudi-financed mosques in Europe preaching the message of hatred and intolerance, and helping recruit disenfranchised young Muslim youth to go fight the Shia Muslims under the takfir doctrine in Syria and Iraq – where they become more radicalized under the guidance of ISIS – who then sends them back to Europe to carry out suicide terrorist attacks. That’s the nature of what’s been going on, isn’t it?
All in all, the story quite similar to the earlier Spanish Royal Family’s support for the radical hate-filled and brutal Spanish Inquisition – which of course was not representative of all of Christianity.
I’m really worried about what they did in the year 1500. That’ll stop Trump right in his tracks. keep it up
Well, when people say the Middle East is stuck in the medieval era, that’s why. But I guess ignorance is bliss?
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Turkey%E2%80%99s_Erdogan_Warns_Of_Attacks_In_Brussels_Four_Days_Before_Event_Took_Place/49976/0/38/38/Y/M.html
Only four days before the Brussels attacks, Erdogan spoke at a commencement ceremony for the 101st anniversary of the Battle of Gallipoli in Canakkale, Turkey on March, 18 where he stated that “there is no reason why the bomb that exploded in Ankara cannot explode in Brussels, in any other European city.”
Turkey (Erdogan) provides sanctuary, supplies and arms to the ‘ISIS’ false-flag operation – with financial and logistical support from nefarious intelligence entities. It is a well-documented fact. Putin soon realized this too.
So, he certainly would know what they’re up to.
Excerpt:
from “The Terror Bombings In Brussels”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/03/23/pers-m23.html
One of the best articles on the U.S. role in the chaos in Syria by Gareth Porter has recently been published by FAIR:
http://fair.org/home/reporting-or-not-the-ties-between-us-armed-syrian-rebels-and-al-qaedas-affiliate/
“A crucial problem in news media coverage of the Syrian civil war has been how to characterize the relationship between the so-called “moderate” opposition forces armed by the CIA, on one hand, and the Al Qaeda franchise Al Nusra Front (and its close ally Ahrar al Sham), on the other. But it is a politically sensitive issue for US policy, which seeks to overthrow Syria’s government without seeming to make common cause with the movement responsible for 9/11, and the system of news production has worked effectively to prevent the news media from reporting it fully and accurately. . . .”
Yes another one, just like all the other ones.
http://www.flemishpeaceinstitute.eu/press/saudi-arabia-prime-market-belgian-arms-exports-2011
Now the time to take drastic measures has finally come. Way too long the American forces and their European allies have been way too soft on these evil parasitic hordes of hostile pestilent invaders. Europe needs to establish a demarcation line throughout its continent, secured by electrical fences, autonomous firing installations, water ditches, anti vehicle and anti personal mine fields, autonomous flame throwers and concrete walls, a bulwark to transform itself into a fortress of freedom, democracy, peace and prosperity by erecting a semi permeable membrane.
The US has to stop playing around in the middle east, it has to change its primary interest from war profiteering of its main arms manufacturers by teasing terrorists with oversized toy planes (while indeed great weapons to spread terror, a shock and aww approach is much more efficient) and instead adopt a new process and solution oriented strategy to eradicate this hostile elements as soon as possible.
The world’s most powerful nation, the only superpower in a world of mere regional powers, the nation that successfully contained and restrained the evil and barbaric hordes of communist aggressors needs to step up its game and eradicate this subhuman filth calling itself ISIS.
A bunch of (not more than a five digit number) criminals with stolen weapons and without an air force and or air defence, laughable. Propping up this scum as any form of challenge isn’t even funny anymore, it is deeply insulting to the intellect and honor of all armed service members who proudly fulfill their duty of protecting their country, their nation, the great United States of America.
For any observer it is obvious that the main goal heretofore hasn’t been the destruction of this crime syndicate, otherwise much more effective measures would have been taken than to just tease them with oversized toy planes as already mentioned, which by the way, act as great recruiting tool for more terrorists for the purpose of never ending conflict and continued warfare with the intent of boosting the profits of the defence industry. That certainly has its place as an experimental playground for new weapons systems, however not anymore when the violence swaps over to our beloved allies.
The US has to purchase and refit a big number of Boeing 747-800s and Airbus A-380s into modern, long range high capacity bombers. Each of these aircraft is much bigger and has a much higher payload than the aging but still mighty Boeing B-52 Stratofortress.
As soon as such have been acquired, which also would be in the best interest of the defence industry, we need to identify the terrorist’s nests and immediately start carpet bombing them like we did in Vietnam and WWII. Fly formations of dozens of bombers over the designated target zones, drop hundredths of tons of bombs in a single mission and destroy every human build structure identifiable. Leave only death and destruction.
As long as we continue to bomb individual buildings, complexes by single sorties where we expect the terrorists to be, they, because of being highly mobile, will just relocate to a different structure. Bombing the entire area at once and leaving just ashes and rubble, has a much higher probability of taking them all out at once. Contrary to Vietnam, in Iraq and Syria there are no woods the hide under, therefore it is easy to spot all of the man-made structures in the terrorist controlled areas to bomb them into smithereens.
Certainly there might be some collateral damage, however for the greater good that is justifiable because it is going to alleviate millions from continued suffering and harm, it is indeed an act of decency and humanity to do everything in our power to eradicate any terrorist threat surfacing at any given time. For that purpose we always have to have a large fleet of really big bombers to carpet bomb indiscriminately whenever, wherever and whatever we deem appropriate, being in Asia, Africa, Arabia or South America.
In the media it is sometimes mentioned that more bombing and or a prolonged bombing campaign doesn’t lead to the desired result, which is utter nonsense of course. Bombing done right nearly always leads to the desired result, as soon as everything is destroyed and killed any threat just evaporates in the truest sense of the word, one has to do it right of course, cold war style.
God bless the United States of America, the supreme force of good, prosperity, justice, happiness freedom and democracy in the world.
To Let’s carpet bomb them into oblivion
Continuing to carpet bomb millions of innocent women and children is a strange kind of a way to maintain our state of “happiness”.
No matter how hard the war and fear mongers try to terrify us many of us still do not check our back seats, attics, basements or under our covers for Muslims.
After reading the end of your post:
“God bless the United States of America, the supreme force of good, prosperity, justice, happiness, freedom and democracy in the world” I am starting to believe ten foot white aliens may really have taken over the world spreading propaganda to keep less intelligent being believing they are being served, when in fact we are actually being prepared to be served like on a menu.
Well said. It is clear that let’s carpet bomb them into oblivion is spouting the usual menu of far right wing militarized propaganda crap, in an attempt to further advocate the spending of US tax payers money to the arms industry..It is pathetic, and is propaganda driven off a menu. To advocate the expanse of carpet bombing is disgusting and sick, since it would result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians. Just another sad extremist, car right wing militarized nut job or someone with an interest in furthering the profits of the arms industry.
The attacks may have to do with Belgium’s participation in the military invention against the Islamic State. Belgium started bombing the Islamic State in 2014, but eventual withdrew their airstrikes because of financial difficulties. However, even though Belgium withdrew their air forces, Belgium still has 35-130 military tutors in Iraq to train the Kurds and Iraqis to fight against the Islamic State.?
https://web.archive.org/web/20140929184807/http://arabia.msn.com:80/news/middle-east/4185906/battling-dutch-belgium-prepare-send-f/
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R44135.pdf
The Islamic State deliberately targets civilians belonging to its enemies. According to Dabiq, the official magazine of the Islamic State, one of their motives for the terrorist attacks was to avenge the women and children killed by the airstrikes by the West. France had killed civilians within the Islamic State before the Islamic State attacked Paris. In their beheading videos of James Foley and the two Japanese hostages they also state that one of their motives were the women and children killed by airstrikes. In their magazine, they quote religious text advocating “an eye for an eye” as their ex post facto justification. Their own civilians were killed, so in retaliation they kill civilians belonging to their enemy. This is the cycle of violence.
It is a horrible loss of lives resulting from the Belgium bombings, and none of us can feel the immense pain of those that lost love ones.
The additional travesty that will result from this tragedy is that the media owned and controlled by the war mongering, profiteering elite will use it to spread more hate and prejudice 24/7 for days on end. Plus it serves to blur our vision so we can only see the far less immediate harmful enemy from without, and miss seeing what is right in front of us, the enemy from within causing vaster suffering presently.
The cries will be shut down our borders and carpet bomb them into oblivion.
If we were not terrorizing them in the first place by blowing up entire Arab nations and then proceeding to follow up that destruction by sending down bombs from our drones for years on end killing innocent women and children we would not have had to deal with a most desperate immigration problem in the first place.
Why is it that we refuse to ignore what has not worked throughout history, killing does not end killing it only brings about more of it. I guess that is why it was marked upon the tablets “Thou Shall Not Kill”. Barbaric acts such as when Richard the Lionheart whom in 1191 AD on a small hill called Ayyadieh under the banner of Christ slaughter 3,000 only vibrate through time to incite more murder. Do we have to continue this lunacy?
Yeah, but, we now feel Israel’s ‘terrorist’ pain, right? The PNAC memo tells us this is the goal. I mean, since even before 9/11, all ‘terrorist’ actions in the last two decades have been committed by false-flag operations conducted by Israel’s MOSSAD, in order to gain sympathy for Israel’s ‘predicament’ and long-term goal – obliteration of the Palestinians and confiscation of all of their land. Most of you still refuse to acknowledge these facts, and submit further to the ongoing manipulation…
In the United States the vast swath of our “real” terrorists are just a bunch of unrefined mentally unstable asocial sexless dorks recruited and entrapped by our standing army of “fake” terrorists (FBI personnel and their assets in the field) who have ALWAYS easily impressed unrefined mentally unstable asocial sexless dorks just like their wives did.
Suck it up and move on Belgium. Poke out those Five Eyes and Live Free.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/belgium
Fuck giving up your freedom, personal autonomy and privacy just because Americas NSA bulk collection buries terrorist threats known to interpol and your local intelligence and law enforcement agencies among the illegally obtained records of hundreds of millions of brave innocent attractive Europeans who have never even been charged with let alone convicted of any significant crimes .
I think that our reaction to all these terrorist attacks are encouraging the terror masters to plan more terror attacks.
We must fight back by refusing to be terrified. Indignant, angry yes, but definitely not cowed down and terrified. We must take the fight right into their den and drone them up as ruthlessly as possible. This is how to defeat them.
To begin, we must stop calling them terrorists. This is only encouraging the Muslims and the gun manufacturers. It is not doing us any good at all.
“……To begin, we must stop calling them terrorists. This is only encouraging the Muslims and the gun manufacturers. It is not doing us any good at all…..”
If the attack meets the definition of terrorism then why not call them terrorists?
because terror is a feeling or an emotion. The verb “to terror” is passive or negative, because it relies on the other persons’ feeling. On the other side, “love” is positive, as you can love regardless of anything.
By calling them terrorist, you automatically imply that you are terrorized. And we are not, thanks General Hercules for your good point!!
Here are a few proposal: criminals, murderers, mass-murderers, assassins, or indoctrinated psychotics. If they are from the country they bomb, traitors or turncloaks might also suit. And in any case, adding “coward” as an adjective is also very important. Using these terms and not makin such a fuss about their deeds will just totally blow the effect they want to reach.
Don’t forget they count with the media for their propaganda: the scenic decapitations, drownings or burning of their prisonners is part of their propaganda. New recruits like to think “I ll be part of that powerfull group that western nuclear power states fear so much, we are the elite and we ll be rewarded in paradise”.. sounds totally different from “I ll be part of a group of coward psychotic murderers that are comparable to mosquitos carrying malaria”
I have a long list that we can use, but I think they may change for the better if we called them “Pigs”. For instance, Pigdaddy instead of Bagdaddi will definitely make that bloke suicide-bomb himself in horror.
You’re parodying yourself.
“We must take the fight right into their den”?
in Langley? Riyadh?
There is one other name you failed to include in your list, and that is that many could be revenge seekers. Unfortunately, when people, of any country, race or religion ,see their families torn to pieces by bombs and drone strikes this fuels hatred and can have the unfortunate affect of assisting recruitment by terrorist groups.we need to examine if the drone program, and bombings of civilians in Yemen, Afghanistan and Iraq are serving as a driving force of terrorism, and aiding terrorist recruitment. I believe that once examined carefully and deeply it may well be concluded that the drone program and civilian bombings are destabilizing the World and increasing terrorist attacks. All killing is wrong, and especially the killing of innocent civillians no matter which country they live in.
“Revenge seekers” you say.
How does intentionally maiming and murdering civilians exact revenge?
And if Belgium and European countries themselves seek revenge on the perpetrators with the use of drones and bombings, does that action also get “revenge seeker” status?
Round and round the carousel goes.
Anonymous is from CAGE and that’s where he needs to be locked up. All these fellows can do is spread hatred and violence.
An accusation of “spreading violence and hatred ” is rich coming from the bigot, racist General Hercules who believes quote that “Muslims killing Muslims is a good thing” It is yourself that needs “locking up” for your numerous racist and Islamophobic comments. The only person spreading hatred and violence is yourself.
ISLAAM is a jumbled form of SALAMI. And salami is made from pigs.
I love pigs. I love Islamic pigs. Well-done ones I prefer.
“Round and round the carousel goes” never ending, tit for tat, self perpetuated by more and more killing. Now your understanding it , finally Nate. I don’t agree with any killing or violence, or condone anyone carrying out further killing as an act of revenge or retribution. As I said it only assists terrorist groups in recruiting, and adds to further destabilization. I do understand how people can become full of hatred with a desire to seek revenge though when their loved ones, families, children are blown into pieces either at an International airport or whilst in a hospital or at a market. Killing and violence will not bring about peace, and targeting civilians whether in Paris, Brussels, Iraq, Afghanistan or Yemen, or anywhere else will only result in more killing, and your carousel going round and round.
The racist, Islamophobic, white supremacist bigot General Hercules believes that “Muslims killing Muslims is a good thing” He spreads his hatred of Muslims and believes that Bagdaddi should be called Pigdaddy. So don’t try to educate General Hercules as you are wasting your time Craig.
Only a certain group of people would object to Bugdaddi being called Pigdaddy. So “Anonomous”, you are no longer anonymous. You are a Bangladeshi Muslim living in UK, and a ISIS member. Better surrender to the police before we come get you.
I was really disgusted with some of the immediate Belgium-bashing in sources like http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/23/world/europe/belgium-security.html – an article written hours after the attacks that says that Belgium
Unfortunately, they’re not even the only ones. But they stand out because I’d think New Yorkers would remember the rest of the world didn’t start yelling “haha you fuckups” on the afternoon of September 11th!
Part of this is the Benghazi School of Terrorism Cheerleading, which uses any casualty figure however small as an open-ended attempt to bully anyone in the government. Never mind that when you try to get officials fired because some nut decided to attack, you’re becoming the terrorists’ force multiplier … it’s just instinct, the good old American instinct that when you see someone lying bleeding in the dirt, that’s when you start kicking until you hear bones break. Whether we’re speaking of homeless people, mentally disturbed, people who need medical care, or just girls getting cyberbullied on the Internet, we’re always there to lend a harming hand. Man I’m tired of it.
Another part of it seems to be some kind of racial homeland utopia. Maybe if Belgium recognizes that French and Dutch speakers can’t really run a country well together, then they can come out and lay out a plan for how the U.S. is going to segregate out the Hispanics! Just don’t ask them about Switzerland.
And the last part is just beating the war drum for more spook funding. The ironic part is that this doesn’t allow for giving spooks a pat on the back. I mean, there were multiple terrorists in Belgium with explosives and guns and they did not get onto a plane. They did not crash it into a building. But instead of saying “Yeah, great job, Belgian TSA, you just saved 5,000 lives of people in some high tower in London who will never know they would have died without you”, they go and rag on the security forces because the terrorists managed to kill a busload worth. Now I’m all for ragging on security forces, but not like this!
I think the New York Times owes Belgium a damn apology.
To start with, let’s remind everybody here that the US hold a huge responsibility in what happens. The world with Sadam Hussein was much safer for everybody.
Then, in defense of Belgium: they managed to catch Abdeslam last week end (how long to catch Oussama?). A plot was avoided last year in Verviers. Another house with terrorists was found last Wednesday. Out of 4 plots over two years, 2 were prevented. What’s the statistics for the US.. it should certainly be much better given that the NSA budget is larger than all other secret services in western europe.,
Belgium is not a failed state, but has a few “commune” that are totally failed. A few mayors in brussels truned a blind eye, if not actively encourage all this radicalisation, mostly Philippe Moureaux, of Molenbeek. Belgium’s resonsability is also linked to its support to saoudi arabia and more than half a billion weapon they sell them in the last couple of years.
The alleged misunderstanding between deutch and french speakers within the security forces is not based on any evidence. There are tensions, for sure, between political leaders, but the federal service is fine.. The real communication problem is at the european level, which enabled Abdeslam to cross the french border after the Paris attacks.
My opinion is that Europe is vulnerable: no within shengen-area border control.. and an external border very large and difficult to control. I wonder how the US would fare if Canada was behaving like Turkey and the north pole was DAESH-controled, and on top of that that the US hosted a historic large muslim population and having millions of refugee to help. Not sure they would fare better…
Never thought the Intercept would run a piece of terror-porn.
Betsy is doing her best Carly Fiorina; resolutely fly this plane into a mountainside on a clear day.
“Dramatic Images of Chaos in Brussels Following Attacks on Airport and Metro”
Who in their right mind would write such a headline for The Intercept?
The same fool who desires to edit Greenwald? For 10+ years readers have provided corrections as needed for typos, dead links, etc.
Glenn’s work has a structure that is quite evident. That structure is not some petty window-dressing; it’s foundational. Glenn’s work rings. Resonance (ringing) demonstrates structural integrity.
Change any part of a Greenwald piece and you fundamentally alter the piece.
Again, who feels the need to control Greenwald’s work?
holy shit. I heard something about this early today and i immediately stopped everything else to find out more. This is some serious terrorism for sure but who is it wants what from whom? Like Trump asked, “What the hell is going on?”.
The time has come for the people of this planet to submit formal written grievances to some forum. Do the mexicans want their land back? Do the palestinians want their land back? Do the native populations want their land back?
The people of the world have shifted between largely independent to utterly depependent upon others in a massive complicated tangle of interdependency which, in its current form, appears destined for a catastrophic failure especially given the fraudulent monopolistic currency method of printing paper to capture the planet’s assets thru a criminal loan-or-repo asset-hock scheme that has everyone in the trap.
I’m sure by tomorrow The Intercept will have 20 articles running about how this is all really America’s or the West’s fault.
It’s time to stop handwaving middle eastern, Islamic terrorism. No they’re not the only terrorists. Yes, American bombs did help create this problem, but not in its totality. It’s time to stop pretending that fundamentalist, middle eastern Islam is a totally peaceful participant in the world religious community, and stop shaming people who point out how it is different when it clearly is.
When mass shootings in the US happen constantly, the American and international left get justifiably upset that we do nothing about it. But yet they shrivel up when it comes to middle eastern Islamic terrorism. That should be fought with openness and compassion and hugs.
It’s time to stabilize Syria using any means necessary, and end the refugee crisis, sending those that have come to Europe back to their homes and accepting no more.
To put simply, it’s time to stop pretending this problem is not really a problem.
If the Islamic State is really genocidal against non-Muslims, then why did it saved the lives of Indian nurses? The Islamic State warned the Indian nurses that a hospital is about to be bombed and they have provided protection, food and shelter for the nurses until they safely migrated to India.
The Islamic State is against Shi’ites because the Shi’ites have collaborated with the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the Shiite government in Iraq along with Shi’ite militias have massacred thousands of Sunni Arab civilians. The Iraqi government holds tens of thousands of Sunni Arab detainees at any one time.
The Islamic State is against Christians because Christians have participated in the Crusade against the Islamic State.
The Islamic State is against the YPG and Peshmerga because they have participated in the Crusade against the Islamic State.
Shi’ite militias, Yazidi militias and the YPG had massacred innocent Sunni Arabs in “revenge attacks”. This is why the Islamic State hates the Shi’ites and other groups. The Islamic State do not share the same hatred against Indians; remember they saved the lives of Indians nurses.
Perhaps the U.S. should stop arming the Shi’ites and other “moderate Islamist” groups against the Islamic State; and only then will the Islamic State stop hating the Shi’ites other “moderate Islamist” groups.
Jabhat al-Nusra is less extreme than the Islamic State. That’s because Jabhat al-Nusra originated in Syria and haven’t experienced the atrocities committed by the U.S. invasion and the Iraqi government. Jabhat al-Nusra imposes a less “strict” version of Shari’ah than the Islamic State; in some places, Jabhat al-Nusra do not impose Shari’ah at all.
This is flawed logic. You don’t disprove genocide with counter examples, you focus on the allegations and the victims.
In short, ISIS doesn’t treat all disbelievers equally. ISIS levies jizyah on some Christian minorities.
The part about ISIS being against Shiites because of American cooperation is wrong. You’d have to ignore hundreds of years of history: succession, Wahhabism, Salafism, politics, Zarqawi’s leadership of AQI and his status as a forefather of ISIS.
I particularly got a kick out of your blaming the Crusades for the victimization of Christians. i guess a more ” modern” example would be for me to attack a Brit because the goddamn lobsterbacks took Long Island!
There is a common belief about the Islamic State. It is believed that the Islamic State treats anyone who does not follow Sunni Islam negatively; it will either force them to convert or to pay the jizya, like they how they treat Christians and Shi’ites. However, belief that the Islamic State persecutes non-Muslims or non-Sunnis is unfounded.
The Islamic State had helped non-Muslims. For example, they have rescued and provided food for Indian nurses. The Islamic State is also allied with the relatively secular Ba’athist militias and the Sufi militias. Those are not just exceptions. These are actual policies explicated by the Islamic State.
So its treatment of people is not simply whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim; Sunni or non-Sunni. But the common argument is that the Islamic State is against anyone who is not a Sunni Muslim. This argument is simply wrong.
Instead, it’s policies against non-Sunnis are more political rather than religious. Its hatred against Shi’ites are more political rather than religious. Sunni Arabs have been persecuted by the Iraqi government, which largely comprises of Sunnis. The Sunni-led Iraqi government had ethnically cleansed Baghdad from Sunnis. It has a policy of detaining Sunni Arabs without trial, and has a policy to torture them; many of them were tortured to death. Shi’ite-sponsored militias in Iraq had executed thousands of Sunni Arabs.
Before the U.S.-led invasion, there was not any tension between Sunnis and Shi’ites. And during 2004-2005, tensions between them were relatively small. Intermarriage between Sunnis and Shi’ites were commonplace. But several years later, the tensions between the Sunnis and the Shi’ites grew. Sunnis and Shi’ites avoid intermarrying. Many filed for divorce. This increased tension between Sunnis and Shi’ites was in part caused by the brutal Shi’ite Iraqi government.
That’s why Iraqi Sunnis hate Shi’ites so much. The Sunnis in Iraq, who were angry at the Shi’ite-led Iraqi government, blamed the Shi’ite population as a whole for its brutality.
This is similar to how the Palestinians hate the Jews so much. They hate the Israeli government, but placed blame on the Jews in general.
In Palestine, the Palestinian Arabs placed the blame on the Jews for the brutal policies of the Israeli government.
Similarly, in Iraq, the Sunni Arabs placed the blame on the Shi’ites for the brutal policies of the Iraqi government.
In many ways the Iraqi was even more brutal than Israel.
Hundreds of thousands of Sunni Iraqis actively protested against the Iraqi government every week.
See this link for more information about the brutality of the Iraqi government: https://redpill.me/articles/iraq-is-a-brutal-puppet/
The Islamic State views Shi’ites as traitors because they aided the American-led coalition forces during the Iraqi invasion; and they participated in the persecution and the murder of the Shi’ite Arabs.
Speaking about the “Crusades”:
In Egypt, thousands Muslim Brotherhood supporters were massacred by the dictator, Sisi. As a result, Sisi became hated by many Muslims. Because Sisi came to power through a coup d’etat, many Muslims blamed the Christians for instigating the coup that led Sisi to rise to power. Ten percent of Egyptians are Christians. This incident, like many other incidents, harmed the reputation of Christians. Many Sunnis in Iraq hated Christians because of this, but they do not hate the Christians are much as Shi’ites since they did not directly do harm to Sunni Iraqis. Therefore, the Islamic State allows some leniency in its treatment of Christians. Rather than forcing Christian to either convert or face death like how they do with the Shi’ites, the Islamic State grants Christians a third option, the jizya, which is a tax levied on Christians.
The Islamic State treats other groups even more leniently. It saved and supported Indian nurses without demanding them to convert or pay the jizya. Why is this? It’s because the Indians do not have a reputation of treating the Sunni Arabs badly. Same with the relatively secular Ba’athists who are allied with the Islamic State. Same with the Sufi militias who are allied with the Islamic State.
Many Sunni Arabs hate the Shi’ites. But the origin isn’t from the Quran. Sure, they may justify their hatred against Shi’ites by the Quran, but this is not the cause of their hatred. You don’t hate a group merely because the Quran told you to. Hate has to be developed by forces outside of the Quran. For example, if you watch YouTube videos showing Bahrain killing peaceful Shi’ite protestors, you will see that the vast majority of commenters spew hatred against the Shi’ites. Many commenters say things like “These Shi’ites are Iran-backed terrorists” and “These Shi’ites deserved to be shot.” This is their reasons; which clearly do not originate from the Quran. The commenters were mostly Saudis and people from other Gulf states.
See the comments in this video, the vast majority of them hate Shi’ites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-4uXkbDhis
Many hate Shi’ites because they know the brutality of the Shi’ite Iraqi government. Many hate Shi’ites because they think they are Iranian puppets who wants to overthrow Bahrain and install a brutal Shi’ite government in Bahrain. So Shi’ite hate has to be developed outside of religion.
The Islamic State calls Shi’ites “ploytheists”, but this is more of an insult rather than an actual justification for their hatred.
Do you really think the west is not guilty?? ISIS is a direct consequence of the 2003 illegal invasion of Iraq by the US, UK, Spain, Poland and some others. The mess in Libya is the direct result of the french and british intervention to remove qaddhafi. Saudi’s wahabbism export is a direct consequence of our support to them, through selling weapons and trade agreement.. while these backward retard states should be ostracised, ban from technology and all the evil goods produced by the west.. but they are helping us against evil Iran (which is not linked to any terrorism since the buenos aires bombing decades agos).
And our Turkish “ally” who entered nato to put more pressure on our russian is also buying daesh’s oil, launder their money, allows weapons and human trafficking and puts a lot of pressure by letting illegal immigrant go through their territory.. while bombing the kurds who are the only one that are actually facing daesh in their legitimate quest for a homeland.
It is 100% our fault, we have the money, we have the weapons, we have the technology.. We kicked on the hornet’s nests and then we ally with our natural opponent (saudi and Erdorgan’s turkey) and oppose our natural allies, i.e. Iran and Russia. And what for?? Cheap oil, the globalisation dogma, and also petty politics (Sarkozy Vs qaddhafi) and raw stupidity (Bush). This is west’s fault.. now the wheel turned and kicks back..
According to a study by Princeton and Northwestern Universities the US is an oligarchy. This should be no surprise to anyone. So strictly speaking we can and should blame the Oligarchs, e.g. Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, etc. And then behind them are a more Elite group of Oligarchs who have plans for the whole planet. They want Europe destroyed as well as the USA. As George H.W. Bush said a New World Order which entails destroying the old one. Unfortunately the progressive left is serving this NWO though in ignorance.
This is the thinking in Brussels:
There would have been no Hitlerian National Socialism without a monolithically racial petite-bourgeoisie to absorb and support it, break that monolith as was done in England, and especially in the hegemonic national metropole of London and you drive a permanent stake through the undead specter of National Socialism in the financial center of Europe, do it again in Germany and its industrial heartland becomes permanently ‘disinfected’ as well: in short, replace the mass specter of brown shirts with the mass reality of “brown people” and you have demographically immunized yourself against a regress to the ultimate belligerent, indeed genocidal, logic of Volk nationalism.
Sharia law will be lots of fun. Your comment really does make any sense.
The next step will be detention camps, concentration camps, all across Europe. How soon will depend on the number and frequency of attacks. It has been estimated that already there are about 50 thousand jihadists in Europe. Kill a few thousand Europeans and these camps will appear as I am sure they are already being prepared.
At some point even the leaders in Europe will have to be realistic and practical. Or lose their jobs. So for gamblers now, what is magic number? 1000? 2000? What is your guess? When the magic number is reached the camps will start filling up and the deportations, the closed borders, the torture, etc. The same may happen here. Immigration was never about compassion or humanitarianism. It was about destroying the West.
Yeah just like the west destroyed American Indians and Africans…..karma can be a bitch.
Showing pictures and videos is playing on the emotion field, that’s the least we want. Tabloids will take care of that, but please not the intercept.
Showing pictures and videos is how news is reported. Better it be the Intercept, than Fox News.
really? I don’t see any photos for the deadly strike on a Yemeni market…i call bs on this selective coverage…
No shit.
What an embarrassment to have an editor who chooses FOX-like yellow press splashed across their cite.
Mackey seems to be Betsy’s Pet and he delivers with this crap.
Oh how the mighty have fallen … The intercept, I mean; Mackey is a hack.
The fact that belgian local socialists politician lived out of the “communitarist” vote should not be forget. Philippe Moueaux, to say name, let all this happen in front of his eyes. Anyone saying anything against radicalisation was deemed racist.
The (P.S.) president-minister of the walloon region, Paul Magnette, authorised selling for 97 and 397 millions euros in 2013 and 2014 to our “ally” in Saoudi Arabia. The established fact that belgian-made military weapons were used by DAESH was pointed as irrelevant by Magnette
When will this hypocrisy stops ?!? DAESH is only a political problem, without the protection of their Saudi’s godfather with the help of Turkey, they wouldn t stand an extra day.
The usual suspects are out in force, in front of every camera, to scare the bejibbers out of anyone and everyone!
We are all victims! That is, if we don’t stand up for our freedoms.
Death by a thousand cuts in Europe to liberty and democracy. If the populace is terrorized it cannot think rationally enough to defend and preserve its own interests before the onslaught of total securitization, before the crushing wheel of hyper-militarized, world-hegemonic plutocracy.
Yes. If the 0.1% and their minions didn’t have terrorists to justify their Progressive Planetary Lockdown, they have to create them.
Oh, wait . . . Well, that wasn’t intentional, of course. Right?
The Islamic State traces its roots back to 2004 in Iraq, a child of the instability spawned by the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the subsequent Bush Administration effort to set up a neocolonial puppet regime in Iraq that would deliver oil contracts (and electricity, telecom, agriculture, etc.) to U.S. and British firms. Popular Iraqi opposition to this agenda was met with the Abu Ghraib torture program and violent repression, opening the door to Al Qaeda in Iraq. Al Qaeda in Iraq remained active as a terrorist group in Iraq, but declining in importance and activities, through the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, which was completed by Dec 2011.
However, soon after, ~2012, they became a resurgent force, fighting against the Iraqi government, which by then had close ties to Iran. They received large amounts of weapons and money and began taking over oilfields across northern Iraq and southern Syria, committing all kinds of atrocities against Kurds and Christians and Shiite Muslims and implementing draconian Wahhabi Islam religious rules in the zones the controlled.
So, what happened from 2012-2014?
Somehow Al Qaeda in Iraq had morphed into the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, received major support from somewhere, and was attacking the Syrian and Iraqi governments. This has been reported fairly extensively. What the US corporate media is reluctant to discuss is how the group was initially funded – but see this report from the Atlantic, by Steve Clemons, Jun 23, 2014:
“. . . But two of the most successful factions fighting Assad’s forces are Islamist extremist groups: Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the latter of which is now amassing territory in Iraq and threatening to further destabilize the entire region. And that success is in part due to the support they have received from two Persian Gulf countries: Qatar and Saudi Arabia. . . ”
“. . . ISIS, in fact, may have been a major part of Bandar’s covert-ops strategy in Syria. The Saudi government, for its part, has denied allegations, including claims made by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, that it has directly supported ISIS. . .But while official support from Qatar and Saudi Arabia appears to have dried up, non-governmental military and financial support may still be flowing from these countries to Islamist groups.”
ISIS has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Qatari-CIA-Israeli-Turkey project gone disastrously awry, a project that was intended to counter Iranian influence in the region but which ended up promoting a terrorist group whose ambitions included attacks in Europe, Russia, Britain and the United States. The more recent discoveries of advanced US/Israeli/European weapons like TOW-II anti-tank missiles in captured ISIS arsenals gives even more credence to this notion:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/12/war-news-us-delivery-of-tow-missiles-to-isis-seized-by-iraq/
This is what happens when you let the neoliberal and neoconservative ‘adults’ play their stupid little regime change games in the Middle East: the establishment of a terrorist group with the resources to ship explosives and weapons into Europe for terror attacks, as well as a flood of desperate refugees.
Wasn’t too shabby of a post until you flew off the rails about a multi-country conspiracy to create ISIS, without any explanation of how.
The only indication you give is about Qatar and Saudi funding, but you omit that it was from private individuals and arguably modest.
source: CRS, Islamic State Financing and U.S. Policy Approaches
The argument I believe is the destabilization of Syria:
“In expanding its influence, ISIS has been able to capitalize on two factors: the Sunni revolt in neighboring Syria, and the alienation of the Iraqi Sunni by a Shialed government in Baghdad” – Patrick Cockburn
“If the sectarian clashes in Iraq provided an opening for ISI to regroup, the violence in Syria gave Baghdadi a pretext to expand. The border between Syria and Iraq had long been porous. Long-standing smuggling routes that were used to move fighters and supplies from Syria during the war in Iraq were now reversed to bring fighters and supplies back into Syria.” – Jessica Stern & J. M. Berger. “ISIS.”
“In Syria, the Islamic State has grown in size and strength in part because of the Asad regime’s use of Syria’s armed forces and Iranian support to try to suppress rebellion by Syria’s Sunni Arab majority.” – CRS, Islamic State FAQs
How do you explain these high-tech weapons ending up in ISIS hands then? Read the link.
“The more recent discoveries of advanced US/Israeli/European weapons like TOW-II anti-tank missiles in captured ISIS arsenals”
There’s plenty of other evidence of these back-door channels being used to fund ISIS, for example, the Libya situation, Qatar shipping weapons to back Islamic State in Libya as part of their “Libyan Dawn” program?
“The capture of Tripoli by the Qatar-backed Libyan Dawn (after which it convened an Islamist-led rival parliament) . . ”
Source: The Guardian, by Chris Stephen Friday 29 August 2014
Those weapons that were discovered in the hands of ISIS have serial numbers, don’t they? Seems like their provenance could be traced, then, including export licenses, country-of-origin, etc. The claim that they got all those weapons from looted Iraqi arsenals is dubious; the Iraqis claim they never had those weapons in their arsenals, so they had to come from foreign sources. Here’s a recent report from Iraq by France24 television on the capture of more of these weapons from ISIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFfpvyztvI
It’s plausible that the program of supplying arms, money and training to anti-Assad proxy forces (aka, ISIS) has been ended because it was such a disaster, but I don’t think anyone can deny that without this external support from the Saudis, Qatar, Turkey etc. which may have begun in late 2011 or early 2012, ISIS would not be the global threat it is today.
As far as Turkey’s role, there were convoys of oil trucks going from ISIS-controlled territory to the Turkish border and then heading back with weapons and other supplies for months, all in plain view of US and British surveillance, before Russia started bombing them.
Similarly, go ask the CIA what it was doing with its $1 billion black budget for covert operations in Syria, too – it looks like a major screw-up took place leading to large amounts of weapons ending up in ISIS hands:
“The House Intelligence Committee recently voted unanimously to cut as much as 20 percent of the classified funds flowing into a CIA program that U.S. officials said has become one the agency’s largest covert operations, with a budget approaching $1 billion a year.
“There is a great deal of concern on a very bipartisan basis with our strategy in Syria,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the intelligence panel.”
Source: Washington Post, By Greg Miller and Karen DeYoung
June 12, 2015 “Secret CIA effort in Syria faces large funding cut”
Yes, “a great deal of bipartisan concern”. Easy enough to read between the lines on that, isn’t it? You want to call this a Conspiracy Theory? I don’t think so. There’s plenty of evidence that this was another screw-up of epic proportions, not that any European or American or Middle Eastern leader wants to talk about it.
“…..see this report from the Atlantic, by Steve Clemons, Jun 23, 2014…..”
Considering the regional war for supremacy between the Iranians and the Saudis, it’s reasonable to presume that the Saudis (and Qatar) provided support to ISIS to undercut the Iranian influence in Syria and Iraq.
“……ISIS has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Qatari-CIA-Israeli-Turkey project gone disastrously awry, a project that was intended to counter Iranian influence in the region but which ended up promoting a terrorist group whose ambitions included attacks in Europe, Russia, Britain and the United States……”
Pure Bullshit. There are a lot of reasons that the US would not (and did not) supply ISIS in Iraq (or Syria). The US fought al-Qaeda in Iraq. Additionally, the US brought the Sunnis into the Iraqi government before the US was kicked out of Iraq. Iraq was relatively stable in 2011. Maliki marginalized the Sunnis leading them back into the arms of al-Qaeda – ISIS after the US left.
By nature, covert operations leave little breadcrumbs, but there is often enough there to surmise the roles.
Hillary was one of the architects – got the Saudi/Qatari axis to provide some of the funding for fighters and weapons. The US role was mostly “managerial”/”intelligence” – at least until recently.
There is a lot of context for this. See the article in the link below. Additionally, see the link in the article to the declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
The beast was created by another regime change dream by the neo- crowd. Of course, when things go bad, every body points fingers and says it was not us!
“……Hillary was one of the architects – got the Saudi/Qatari axis to provide some of the funding for fighters and weapons. The US role was mostly “managerial”/”intelligence” – at least until recently……”
There is no doubt that the US would love to see the Assad regime fall. That makes a lot of sense because Assad was the client state of Iran – and the fall of Assad weakens Iran (and Hezbollah which was armed through Syria). Obviously, the same can be said for the Arab states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia. However, there is nothing that I have seen that suggest that the US (Hillary) “got” the Saudis to do anything – or that the US supported indirectly or directly ISIS or al-Qaeda in Iraq or Syria. The Saudis and Qatar were only too happy to support ISIS and al-Qaeda for geopolitical reasons without any help from the US. The US has always supported the FSA and has tried to convince the Saudis to do the same.
There is plenty – nothing like a confession letter – but there is plenty.
It was a policy advocated by the highest level of US government: read UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05794498
Also, the archive of secret documents published in 2010, and Hillary’s own emails – now published by Wikileaks – suggest the highest levels of coordination between the US, Saudi, and Qatar. Some of the emails written by Huma Abedin insinuate how the Obama WH wants the Arab League to be the front.
None of this is geopolitical jockeying is new – including weapon trafficking and using FSA as a tool to achieve the goals in the ME – but if you want proof, you need to wait another 50 years!
A source provided by Photosymbiosis (awhile back) indicates that the US has encouraged the Saudis to support the Syrian rebels (FSA):
“……McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham had previously met with Bandar to encourage the Saudis to arm Syrian rebel forces…….”
McCain has always supported arming the Syrian rebels, but not al-Qaeda or ISIS. The Saudis may have armed ISIS and al-Qaeda to dispose of the Assad regime, but that is not the US. Additionally from the article in the Atlantic:
“…..ISIS, in fact, may have been a major part of Bandar’s covert-ops strategy in Syria. The Saudi government, for its part, has denied allegations, including claims made by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, that it has directly supported ISIS. But there are also signs that the kingdom recently shifted its assistance—whether direct or indirect—away from extremist factions in Syria and toward more moderate opposition groups……“ISIS has been a Saudi project,” one Qatari official said…….United States, France, and Turkey have long sought to support the weak and disorganized FSA, and to secure commitments from Qatar and Saudi Arabia to do the same. When Mohammed bin Nayef took the Syrian file from Bandar in February, the Saudi government appeared to finally be endorsing this strategy. As The Washington Post’s David Ignatius wrote at the time, “Prince Mohammed’s new oversight role reflects the increasing concern in Saudi Arabia and other neighboring countries about al-Qaeda’s growing power within the Syrian opposition.”……..”
Of course, as you indicated, we won’t know for a long time what happened behind the scenes, but as far as I can tell, the US had nothing to do with arming or anyone arming ISIS or al Qaeda. In fact, the US began bombing ISIS.
Sorry, the source is “‘Thank God for the Saudis': ISIS, Iraq, and the Lessons of Blowback” by Steve Clemons in the Atlantic.
And this is the way democracy was nullified, not denied outright, but nullified in Europe. Just as there is no democracy in the securitized, nay militarized, zones of airports and checkpoints, so, as such zones expand and meld into the places of everyday urban, social, and civic life, so to will democracy recede before the gradual, then torrential, waves of securitization and militarization.
Trump and Cruz wasted no time with the U.S. official reaction. Close the borders, enhance torture methods further, patrol Muslim neighborhoods. The not-unexpected song and dance.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/22/four-us-presidential-candidates-respond-to-brussels-attacks
It suggests that future attacks will dominate or maybe be decisive in the U.S. elections, or at least Trump will certainly exploit them with alacrity with his eek-a-mouse schtick. This kind of coverage also adds to the lame-duck meme — wasn’t the current president in Jamaica or something this week, trying to do something?
“Trump and Cruz wasted no time with the U.S. official reaction. Close the borders, enhance torture methods further, patrol Muslim neighborhoods. The not-unexpected song and dance.”
Just playing to their crowds in language that resonates with and for them. Killary’s policies and practices would be little different, although she won’t peddle them in such openly crass fashion — except now and then, when she’s caught off-guard.
Oh yeah, patrol Muslim neighborhoods with Trump’s KKK.
You don’t get it. Trump, as president, would never be able to make such a thing happen. He knows that. It’s theater.
The other policies and practices mentioned, restrictive immigration and enhanced interrogation, are already in place and in practice and Clinton would be no less likely than Trump to continue and advance them.
She’ll just go out and subtly start WWIII when elected.
You got it in one, elwood.
It will be so subtle that it will obviously be someone else’s fault, probably Putin’s.
Unfortunately the world has little real use for the leftist ambience. With Sharia law gays, lesbians, fornicators, improperly dressed women, transgenders, in short the average American will experience the sword. What would you suggest? Sensitivity training? Will you take a few of these ISIS into your home? Or are you a red neck disguised as a liberal progressive? Maybe Obama should apologize to the Muslims for something he did like destroying Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc.? He and Hilary together could stand up in various places around Europe and do mia culpas!
“What would you suggest? Sensitivity training?”
For you? Absolutely.
To reduce the threat of the sorts of attacks we have seen today, I’d suggest dismantling the Imperial War Machine that has destroyed the homes and cultures of the people who are now so desperate and in such disarray that a tiny percentage of them have been driven to acts of asymmetric warfare, which we call “terrorism” and which is the inevitable result of a violent clash between the rich and powerful and the poor and determined.
ISIS is at home — in a homeland we and our allies have been torturing, oppressing and, literally, obliterating for decades. That’s how there came to “an ISIS.” The people who join them and support them would have no interest in visiting terror upon the West if we hadn’t visited terror and puppet despots on them first.
why don’t you get started on the dismantling if you need help hit salon
that should do it
i will research isis some more as apparently the usa created it
” i will research isis some more as apparently the usa created it”
There’s really no question about that, although it can be argued that it was an act of indirect creation. Maybe.
“To reduce the threat of the sorts of attacks we have seen today, I’d suggest dismantling the Imperial War Machine that has destroyed the homes and cultures…”
Too late. That’s a fait accompli. What we are going to see, instead, is a lot of populist fear-mongering in the West, and it will succeed. In Europe, we’ll no doubt see a closed barrier — let’s call it an iron curtain — around the EU externally, and an end of open borders (the Schengen agreement) internally. You can forget about free transit between Brussels and Paris, say, and probably a Le Pen government in France, or at least more governments like those in Hungary and Poland. And you’ll see Trump getting far more air time and more votes with every attack, and more coverage — hell, Obama’s Cuba trip is no longer news, but Donald is.
(And don’t think a conventional warmonger like Hillary is going to succeed in this political environment. She’d have to eat a live Arab baby on video just to get any boost in the polls).
Anyway, the U.S. won’t benefit from sensitivity training, not in the middle of a root canal.
Very likely correct. My suggestion is no less a good one, however, just because it is probably doomed to failure.
Well, as of yesterday, she still as about a ten point advantage over Trump, on average, in the polls. I’m sure Herr Drumpf and Crazy Cruz will both get boosts from terror hysteria for at least a while after today’s events, but whether that phenomenon lasts will depend upon future events — the American voter has a very short memory.
It’s entirely possible that we have gotten ourselves into the final, irreversible phase of what Fisk calls “The Great War for Civilisation,” and that it will truly extend into every corner of the planet, but it’s not yet, quite, certain.
Where do you suppose the wonderful idea of immigration came from? Not from the man or woman on the street. And really what do you expect Europeans to do? The Elite are running the show from ‘humanitarian’ attacks like the one on Libya to those on Syria. At this point nothing short of concentration camps and deportations will work. I doubt a Hitler will be necessary to accomplish that. Trump though was right in thinking that unlimited immigration was a bad idea. Is Obama just dumb? Well, probably, but he had his marching orders. Left, right, left, right . . . none of these people are nice.
The world is tough place. Utopic thinking may have a value in academia but in the hard world of money and death it fails utterly. It’s a man’s world! So let the men solve it. I don’t think more dead Europeans or Americans is the way to go–but Obama will keep plugging immigration until he is gone. And then Hilary will if she wins and does not go to jail which is where she would be most at home with the other criminals.
Agree, sadly
Eloquently stated.
fear mongering has gotten them them this far. No turning back.
However, TI usually dwells on the other end of the spectrum: downplaying or ignoring the threat, continuously deflecting blame away from the perpetrators and onto the U.S. And west, characterizing intelligence services as merely impeding the privacy of US citizens, and ignoring the politics of these attacks (which as you said impacts US elections).
The problem in a national panic is that it tends to fritter resources going after the wrong targets. After Pearl Harbor, dealing with the threat of naval attack by locking up over 100,000 people — on the theory that the lack of sabotage was just proof how devious their planning was. After 9/11, diverting military effort from Afghanistan to a harebrained adventure in Iraq. And now, reacting to an attack in Brussels by proposing police patrols in certain U.S. neighborhoods.
And BTW, instead of some Trump-style vigilantes, the patrols would be U.S. security forces, which the next President will be free to order under his Art. II wartime powers. Crackdowns on U.S. residents on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion, we’d be told, is valid under the U.S. v. Korematsu precedent, which is still valid case law, and might very well be reaffirmed by a future Supreme Court.
“Crackdowns on U.S. residents on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion, we’d be told, is valid under the U.S. v. Korematsu precedent, which is still valid case law, and might very well be reaffirmed by a future Supreme Court.”
Well, maybe, but it would have to be an even worse Court than the Roberts or Rehnquist Courts.
Nino Scalia, his very ownself, compared it to Dred Scott.
And Stephen Breyer wrote, “[Korematsu] has been so thoroughly discredited, that it is hard to conceive of any future court referring to it favorably or relying on it.”
And, in 1982, the Congressional Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians concluded that “the decision in Korematsu lies overruled in the court of history.”
Not, of course, that I would dismiss Jackson’s warning out of hand.
Korematsu was discredited by the 9th Circuit, yes, and is not well thought of. Nonetheless, I’m aware of no SCOTUS decision overruling it directly.
Oh, I’m pretty sure you’re right: it stands, at least theoretically.
And, as I said, it would be foolish to dismiss Jackson’s warning.
But it would take 5 Supremes with even less constitutional facility and human decency than Scalia to uphold it anew. Surely, that ugly, twisted reality is not in our future . . . is it? ;^(
Bothered that the intercept and Robert Mackey, whose articles I found somewhat dumb, stoop to this porno for pyro display of images. We see the images and videos, we hook into social media, and say what again for the hundredth time? WOW, look, look, smoke, bodies, blood, terror, could have been me, I’m scared, those bastards, wait lets not judge, let’s judge, what can we do to prevent this?? We see this every few month and every few months it happens over and over. We gawk, we pray. Yet we never address the reasons. America and Europe, Russians continue to bomb to kill. And the endless cycle continues. A new way of life forever. Forever gawking, and showing images, smelling our own shit, carnage, and nothing ever changing. Orwellian is not the word. Stop being afraid stop looking, protest violence by the west and by Islamic groups. Don’t vote, stop over consumption, support no war.
Now we have official confirmation that the ‘collect it all’ is a sham.
“Three U.S. government officials acknowledged that the United States believed an attack by Islamic State in Brussels was possible, if not likely. Still, they were not aware of any U.S. intelligence about where or when the attack would occur.”
They didn’t know squat.
Of course they don’t know squat — at least about the threats they claim to be targeting. But they have your email, phone records, Facebook posts, etc. — which will be very handy should you ever cross a line they don’t want you to cross.
Meanwhile, the people who created the conditions that created ISIS, al Qaeda, etc. vow to continue the same policies and practices that lead to people wanting to massacre innocents in Brussels:
Hillary Clinton, the Democratic candidate for president and former US secretary of state, has told CNN:
“We do have to defeat Isis where they hold territory,” Clinton said, adding that the international community have to shut off the flow of foreign fighters and weapons out of Europe.
Clinton also said extremists have to be eradicated on the internet, which “has been a major tool in radicalising and propagandising.”
Ah, eradicate extremists on the Internet. I guess we’ll just have to collect more than “all” of it.
The occurrence / allowance of the attacks doesn’t negate or disprove the intention by the ruling class to “collect it all .” Who is best positioned to use the attacks to advance an agenda? The ruling class.
Yes, but certain politicians believe America should allow in refugee suicide bombers!
Was the NSA or intelligence community conducting full-intake of data from Belgium?
Regardless, its largely moot until further information is available.
Obviously you missed the point Nate. They collected it all and now they can’t find their own ass crack with both hands. Even if they do find so.e evidence of a plot in retrospect, it’s too late to close the corral gate now -the horse has left.
What good did it do to ‘collect it all’ in the name of ‘fighting terrorism’?
NOT A DAMN BIT OF GOOD!
Yes the point is moot even if more information becomes available.
So where is the NSA gathering of metadata ‘helping’ to prevent terrorism?
We have all been deluged with the facade of the NSA ‘keeping us safe’ by their ‘collect it all’ attitude of spying on all of US.
Did they (the NSA) prevent anything? No.
And now we have the fear mongers Trump, Cruz, Clinton demanding more ‘security’ (presumably more electronic spying).
All in the name of making us less terrorized.
What a crock. The terrorists have won, the politicians are terrorized.
So the NSA failed to prevent the attack in Brussels. Say what does the “N” in NSA stand for again?
nonexistent
Brussels attacks: The nightmare continues driving Europe in deeper darkness
http://bit.ly/1MkP6Qw
According to your link:
“……The West discovered that it has to face an unprecedented situation which seems to be very difficult to confront: suicide bombings. Although this situation has proven that the US imperialism has lost the control of its creation called ISIS……”
I told the sate department they couldn’t be trusted……
” We need adult leaders: Brussels attack is a sobering reminder of how important it is to have grown-ups in office, not Cruz or Trump
The Brussels attack drives home how critical it is to have adults, like Clinton or Sanders, in charge” –Salon
Yes, the USA should begin shelling Belgium a la Libya!
Immediately distributed visual gore – just as Israel by way of MOSSAD always plans it…
Mr. Mackey
According to France 24 Europe:
“……Live: Islamic State group claims responsibility for Brussels bomb attacks…..”
Just a minor detail left out of your article. A third bomb at the airport did not go off and was defused by police.