A NEWSLETTER CIRCULATED after the Islamic State’s November massacre in Paris sheds light on what the group believes yesterday’s deadly attacks in Brussels will accomplish, including weakening unity on the continent and exhausting European states economically.
An issue of the Islamic State newsletter al Naba, published weeks after the Paris attacks, boasted in one section that “the Paris raid has caused the creation of a state of instability in European countries which will have long-term effects.” It listed these as “the weakening of European cohesion, including demands to repeal the Schengen Agreement … which permits free traveling in Europe without checkpoints”; “security measures [that] will cost them tens of millions of dollars”; and “mutual accusations between France and Belgium” over security failings.
The same newsletter section also stated that a “general state of unease” created by terrorism would lead to decreases in tourism and new restrictions on travel, costing already cash-strapped EU countries “tens of billions of dollars” in revenue.
In the list, the newsletter mingled facts from the aftermath of the Paris attacks with predictions about the future. At least some of the predictions have since held up. Earlier this year, several European nations announced major increases in their defense budgets, with analysts expecting an increase of up to 50 billion euros in spending across the continent through 2019. Indications that European borders were closing, already available before the Paris attacks, proliferated in the months afterward.The Islamic State’s post-Paris propaganda attacks on the European Union appear particularly relevant after this week’s attack in Brussels, which is the EU’s capital and the site of NATO headquarters. Although local authorities have said they have yet to directly connect the two attacks, the Islamic State yesterday claimed responsibility for the Brussels massacre in a statement that U.S. officials said appears to be genuine.
“Because ISIL recognizes that they can’t compete militarily, they employ a strategy that seeks to bleed stronger powers economically and politically,” says Amarnath Amarasingam, a fellow at George Washington University’s Program on Extremism.
A similar strategy was famously outlined in 2004 by al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who claimed that the goal of the 9/11 attacks was to draw the United States into costly wars abroad that would drain its resources and political will, while engendering backlash from Muslim communities worldwide.
“Sadly, in responses to terrorism, we often fall right into the trap set by these groups by overspending, over-policing, and sacrificing our civil liberties. Its an endless cycle,” says Amarasingam.
“The smarter strategy is to understand that if we are going to be involved in foreign countries, as is probably necessary in today’s world, there is going to be some kind of backlash from a small subset of people. But if we start treating this as a civilizational war and start dismantling our own institutions, it becomes a self-defeating exercise.”
If EU countries do respond to the Brussels attacks by further restricting travel between member states, it would be a step toward dismembering the integrated political order that has preserved peace on the continent since World War II. That order was described by former West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer as “necessary for our security, for our freedom, for our existence as a nation and as an intellectual and creative international community.” That ISIL believes its actions undermine European integration suggests that there is a more sophisticated plan behind its attacks than simply engendering blind terror.
Before the wave of ISIL terrorism in Europe that started last year, the EU had already been shaken by a number of political and economic crises, as well as a influx of refugees from the civil war in Syria that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry recently said poses a “near existential threat” to the continent’s integration.
Attacks like the one in Brussels are almost certain to exacerbate these dangers to the EU. Ironically, breaking up European integration is a goal the Islamic State also shares with far-right nativist parties throughout the continent, as well as Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“The political right is ascendant all across Europe at the moment, so this is a particularly dangerous climate for this attack to occur,” says Muddassar Ahmed, a former British government adviser and chairman of the U.K.-based political risk firm Unitas Risk. “The fact that the attack occurred in Brussels is particularly notable, as the EU and NATO are two of the biggest stabilizing forces in Belgium, a country which is starkly divided upon regional lines.”
The Islamic State has repeatedly made clear that the purpose of its attacks is to shock societies and thus exacerbate internal differences. In the wake of its February 2015 massacre at the offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, ISIL crowed that its attacks were “eliminating the grayzone” of coexistence that existed between Muslims and Westerners. The attack yesterday on Brussels, the capital of the European Union, seems calculated to exacerbate the divisions extant among European nations as well.
“This attack, along with other recent developments in the continent, are furthering the cause of Russia and local right-wing parties that want to see an end to European integration,” Ahmed said. “Looking at the political landscape, its clear that Europe is more divided today than it has been in any time in recent memory.”
Top photo: “Old Frayed European Flag” by fdecomite using CC BY 2.0.
Integration has been horrible for Europe- never ending “recovery”, even worse than the US. Greece is being gobbled up by foreign investors. Nations lose their currency control and cannot set monetary policy. Control of borders is basic to sovereignty. The Euro supranational entities serve only the corporatocracy and oligarchy.
Saving money will save me interest payments for credits. Saving on tourism to Europe will give me more money to spend on tourism in China and at home.
Saving on tourism will give me more money to invest in house insulation and energy-efficient heating and lighting.
The article is bad biased nonsense, no way right wing politics is a representive label for +/- 75% of all EU citizens. Intercept negative frames those critical of developments in EU governing and NATO practices. Intentionally or out of ignorance?
To see some statistics is better than have Ahmed speak: Do you tend to trust the EU government : 25% respondents answered yes, in other statistic 28% having a general positive view of the EU.
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb80/eb80_first_en.pdf
Numbers given are for 2013 and surely did not get more positive for the EU
Stop driving cars
Stop consuming goods produced with petrol
Stop rationalizing, justifying, what is evident western and westernizing societies are over using resources they don’t have and go abroad to get it for free; robbery
Would you give us more information about Russia’s ways of breaking the EU?
ISIS should send a nice thank you gift (a severed head?) to the former members of the Bush administration who freed them from subservience to the tyrant Saddam Hussein.
If criticism of Zionism is off limits, can one at least criticize AIPAC by saying for example that AIPAC now controls Congress, Media, Wall Street, and is pouncing on freedom of speech at universities, or is this off limits as well?
Russia has suffered from numerous terrorist attacks by Daesh and similar organisations since 1994. The Kremlin has no intrests whatsoever in demaging EU. It is constantly driving for a united struggle of all relevant stakeholders against Daesh and Al Quida.
what a nightmare. the purpose of this is totally clear: when you are against the european union you are supporting ISIS… so you can be called a terrorist right?
it must be a coincedence that ISIS is helping european politicans to turn the whole continent into a police state.
leggi un po’
Another false flag.
Its just like the plot of tom clanceys book , red storm rising.
Only this time, the plot is hatched in the us. Beta tested in places like boston and san bernardino. Then released as version 1.0 in places like paris and brussels.
The war in syria is being waged by privateers , aka mercenaries, using libyan arsenals. Freelance op.
You got that right Jd…
I’m french and Europe already had a hard time before these retards started bombing people. We did it the wrong way. We created Europe without having any leadership, now we have a bunch of countries that don’t agree on any big decisions because it’s everyone for himself. Sure you can come and go, we have the same currency and we make money together, but we are not united at all, we don’t take decisions as an unit which I guess would have been the goal at the beginning.
Err… it sounds like you are claiming that the French created Europe. But let’s assume that you are speaking collectively of the six founding members of the European Community who first entered into a formal agreement wherein their economies would be fully integrated in 1993: Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany. This integration was the final culmination of a plan that was first set into motion in 1945. According to Wikipedia, “European integration was seen as an antidote to the extreme nationalism which had devastated the continent.” A series of incremental steps took place between 1945 and 1993 however wherein notable Frenchmen played a key role in bringing to fruition the principal aims of the International Paneuropean Union (est 1923):
The global impulse toward transnationalism has been most fully realized through a neoliberal “globalization of production, markets, competition, technology, and corporations and industries” from 1945 onward. Globalization has predictably resulted in regional blocs (free trade zones) that include the: European Union, Gulf Cooperation Council, Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation, North American Free Trade Alliance, and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations. In each of these blocs, constituent states are required to cede a degree of national sovereignty (self determination) in exchange for the right to use bloc leverage in advancing its economic aims in the emerging global marketplace. The trade advantages derived by constituent member states in a particular free trade zone has fueled a growing global need for all nation-states to seek membership in regional blocs. Although the rise of regional trading blocs has resulted in discrete regional banks, currencies, and bylaws, it is generally understood that the core nature of regional trading blocs will eventually allow for their seamless abortion into single global economy as the core nature of both are virtually identical.
Both Obama and Merkel have a significant element of Communism in their backgrounds–East Germany and Frank Davis. Communism never really grasped the nature of religion. Opiate of the people doesn’t quite do it. Both are making the same mistake with respect to immigration. Both are rather puzzling characters. Neither was really qualified to lead their nations. Chaos is the result.
You don’t understand the meaning of the words that you use, WSG.
That is a really very weak attempt at a critical comment.
Let me help Vivek elucidate:
You have no idea what “Communism” means,
Alternatively you and Vivek have no idea what “Communism” means. But instead of these vague responses why don’t you expatiate on the subject and show me how I am wrong. I have lived with a Communist who was highly educated — an MD–and very smart. She was born, grew up in the Soviet Union and was educated there.
I see there’s an infographic from this newsletter, but I don’t see a cite for the source. How did you find this? I think it would be most beneficial for non-sympathetic readers who don’t speak Arabic to be able to find this kind of stuff and read it over. And … do they offer an email address (or more likely some more censorship-resistant contact mechanism) for people to troll? I mean, what’s better than burning a Koran? Sending the video directly to the ISIS Technical Help Line! Yeah, yeah, I know, it doesn’t exist… but this magazine must take submissions somehow, right? Speaking of which – you’ve ever seen those stories about scientific journals that publish absolute meaningless nonsense? What are the odds of pranking ISIS into running a story about an entirely nonexistent Muslim community and an escalating series of ever-more ridiculous actions by them? Leading Western readers to ISIS would help to unveil a fundamental truth: that their organization was put on Earth for one reason and one reason only, which is for our amusement.
I see that The Intercept is still calling this evil group, Islamic State, and not Daesh.
This group is not a state, nor is it Islamic; it’s a cancerous tumor.
How would the Intercept feel if someone set up another news website, called it The Intercept, hired a bunch of journalists and editors, endorsed Trump, and started to publish articles that are just the opposite of what this Intercept publishes?
Would they refer to them as The Intercept?
Agreed. As Prof. Juan Cole states, they are neither Islamic or a State. Their name is Daesh. Please stick to that.
A cancerous tumor created by the west as a tool. Just as alCIAduh was in 1979.
Dear Trump & Cruz: Muslim Turkey arrested Brussels Terrorist & Gave him to European Authorities
By Juan Cole
The paroxysms of hatred and bigotry spewed by the two GOP frontrunners in the 2016 presidential campaign probably do not need any pretext, since Trump and Cruz are clearly sadistic and unfair individuals. But the Brussels airport and metro attacks gave them another excuse to blame all Muslims for the actions of a tiny fringe.
Trump accused Muslims of not reporting terrorist activity to the government, and suggested that torture would be useful, and then wanted to put all mosques under surveillance, and again called for a Muslim exclusion act regarding Muslims coming to the US. Cruz appears to think that Muslim Americans live all together so that their ‘neighborhoods’ can be patrolled.
But most Muslims in the US are not segregated in that way, living in amongst all other kinds of Americans. Most terrorism in the US is anyway by white nationalists and anti-abortion nuts.
Ripping up the Bill of Rights is an odd platform for “conservative” candidates. What is it that they want to conserve if not the Constitution? Arbitrary search and seizure of personal papers and effects, which is what they mean by surveillance, was the technique used by George III, against whom the American Revolution was fought to stop such abuses. Trump and Cruz want to go back to those George III techniques.
But in any case, it turns out that the central premise of this sort of hate speech toward Muslims is simply incorrect.
Turkey, a Muslim-majority state, arrested one of the Brussels attackers (Ibrahim El Bakraoui?) in summer of 2015, in Gaziantep not far from Syria. Turkey determined that the individual had links to terrorist groups and posed a danger. It then turned him back over to Europe with a warning that he was, in Ankara’s view, a very dangerous individual.
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From http://www.juancole.com/2016/03/dear-trump-cruz-muslim-turkey-arrested-brussels-terrorist-gave-him-to-holland.html
That’s exactly the problem. The so-called conservatives don’t *really* want actual Muslims to publicly repudiate (as they both should do and already do) terrorist attacks committed in their name; instead, by demanding they do so when they already do, they aim to deny actual Muslims their voice and existence.
It’s the same voice and existence Cruz denied Cubans by going Ted, and denied Canadians by renouncing his CDN citizenship only long after he was called out for it. (Drumpf-to-Trump occurred so long ago that I consider that irrelevant.)
This is not a very objective article. Dr Cole is expressing a lot of negative emotion. One problem that we will have to face in the USA will be IS attacking nuclear power plants. It would be a good thing if someone let them know that their Caliphate will not last long if they pollute Europe and the USA with radiation!
Belgian authorities had “precise intelligence warnings” of Brussels bombings
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/03/24/belg-m24.html
Everything they have done since and before 911 is for money.
That is the only justification for an otherwise stupidity, idiocy and foolish decisions after 911.
If they did not did it for money and only for money then Usama is smarter than them all together no mater the billions they spend in “intelligence” and “experts”
The American people must take back their government that are not doing nothing for them for at least 30 years.
I’ll be voting to leave the EU, mainly because they have failed as a government, especially because of the craven dealings with Turkey.
I see no worth anymore in the The 1951 Refugee Convention. To hell with that. We should not accept any males aged 16 to 60, unless they are disabled, gay or similarly vulnerable. Any fighting aged males should stay put and fight.
And to hell with Turkey. I’d rather the EU took all 22 million Syrians than the sweetheart deal allowing 75 million Turks into Europe. Turkey is a synonym for treachery today. The UK has 500,000 Turks already, for no apparent reason. 150,000 Turks from northern Cyprus are being allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum, along with various other nationalities, the crudest form of gerrymandering.
I am left wing, pro gay rights, anti fascist, and I help refugees, but I call bullshit on articles like this. The EU was a busted flush the moment Merkel acted unilaterally.
You are British, I take it. If you wish to objectively analyze the reason for Turkey’s behavior, and in fact for the situation in the Middle East at large, you might wish to research the sordid history of the UK’s involvement in that region, going back to World War 1. At that time the UK stood at the forefront of the imperial powers posturing and positioning themselves to grab land in the dismantlement of the Ottoman Empire. You might do a search on the “Sikes Picot Agreement”, or, to find the history rather well documented, read “A Peace to End all Peace”, by David Fromkin.
As for the UK leaving the EU, well, I strongly favor self-determination, and if the UK citizens want out, that is fine by me. Most of my friends in the EU agree with me that an EU without Britain will not be weakened.
Finally, as to Merkel, her policy is not appreciated by nationalists anywhere in Europe, but it is the humanitarian thing to do. Perhaps you have heard of the concept; you know, helping a neighbor in need, and all that.
Suck it up and move on Belgium. Ignore CIA False Flags. Blind Those Five Eyes and Live Free.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/belgium
Don’t be conned by the Deep State into giving up your freedom, personal autonomy and privacy just because Americas illegal NSA international bulk collection buries known terrorist threats (needles) well known to interpol and your local intelligence and law enforcement agencies under mountains of illegally obtained records of innocent European Citizens (haystacks) who have never even been charged with let alone convicted of any significant crimes.
On U.S. False Flags: In the United States the vast swath of “real” terrorists are a bunch of unrefined volatile mentally unstable asocial sexless dorks recruited groomed and entrapped by our standing army of “fake” terrorists (FBI personnel and their field assets) who have always easily impressed unrefined volatile mentally unstable asocial sexless dorks just before they entrap them.
Just like their wives did…
> Just like their wives did…
Ba-dum-tisch!!
I take it you had a ad marriage?
Mmmm….could be.
Couple of very good points about terrorist strategy and long term goals in western society destabilisation through measures taken by goverment which are more like “other side of the coin” than solution to this problem. For right wing parties this is true even more: mirror picture of the Daesh.
Author lost me in the point where standard Russian boogeyman jumped in. Without evidence, reference or anything that can support stanza about evil 666 Putin conspiring against EU and EU’s american “friends”.
So sad … almost like chief of Ukrainian inteligence which concluded in thursday that Bruxelles attacks are part of “Russian hybrid war against EU and the west”.
“breaking up European integration is a goal that Islamic State also shares with far-right nativist parties throughout the continent, as well as Russian President Vladimir Putin.”
What? I thought this was a serious article, and I thought the Intercept was a serious publication, but it seems you can’t help slipping in ridiculous propaganda lies fed to you by the establishment from which you pretend to have some independence.
President Putin wants to break up the EU? Sorry, MH, either you have some secret information which has been hidden from everyone else, or you’re another lying propagandist.
ISIS is obviously high on its own propaganda. “The Thousand-Year Caliphate will Rule the Earth!” Somewhat more megalomaniacal than “The Project For A New American Century”, though perhaps not quite up to Hitler’s fantastical visions – you know, he kept on working on the architectural plans for his Reich, in his bunker, while the Russians were entering Berlin? What a bunch of nutters.
I would imagine that ISIS will be pretty successful. The reason being that terrorism in Western Europe is a secondary problem to the leadership of NATO/EU/USA. Here is the crux of the matter from the article: “This attack, along with other recent developments in the continent, are furthering the cause of Russia and local right-wing parties that want to see an end to European integration,” Ahmed said. “Looking at the political landscape, its clear that Europe is more divided today than it has been in any time in recent memory.”
The US/NATO neocons in their clusterfck world domination strategies see Russia and its alliances as the greater threat. France wanted and was moving toward an alliance with Russia after Paris. Vetoed. No can do. One of the alliances is Russia/Iran and Iran’s Shia affiliates such as Syria and Hezbollah. US/NATO was perfectly happy to have ISIS topple Assad and give ISIS a homeland as long as Iran was checked. Given the half hearted effort to take out ISIS by the West, it looks to me that that Western neocons saw ISIS as the only viable foil to Shia power.
Up to this point, Western European propagandists were without any pushback pushing the idea that Russia had “weaponized” the refugee crisis to destabilize Europe–what utter stupidity. After all the blustering and crying over Brussels, NATO/US will go back to fighting and undermining Russia first and foremost above destroying ISIS. Hell, the Ukrainians are claiming Russia is behind Brussels attack.
I’m afraid that ISIS is a little late to the party on this one.
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The EU began to break up about 2 days after the celebrations of its birth subsided. Long before ISIS was a gleam in eyes of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the progressive movements choir boy, The Muslim Brotherhood from which Osama bin Laden sprang.
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Vastly differing economic systems, currency, and political schemes, large differences in social culture and cultural goals between the various countries that strive to make the union a success, have doomed the EU from its inception.
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The EU is broken already. Accept it and strive for a breakup that mirrors the split of Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
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ISIS seeks credit for which it has no legitimate standing or claim.
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What is so damned frustrating about the overreaction to these attacks is that they are nothing, a piece of statistical noise amid the vast machineries of death. To kill thirty people – that is less than a train derailment, an airplane crash, a bacterial contaminant at a food supplement factory.
But $50 billion dollars??? That is roughly four years worth of CDC funding, two years of NIH funding. The death rates from many kinds of cancer have dropped in half over the past half decade. You can fight death wholesale with that kind of money. Or you could give it back to the taxpayers who never should have been asked to pay income tax because they’re not rich to begin with. Poverty, surprise surprise, correlates with death in a statistically significant way.
I ought to work out how many guns people have bought because of fear of terrorist attacks … and how many of their kids they’ve had to bury because they didn’t secure them properly. I bet the balance of risks is in favor of risking the terrorists.
Oh, these terrorists are bastards, and we should fight back, but there are things we can do to defend ourselves that don’t cost us one thin dime, like trimming the immigration quotas for Muslim countries in favor of those from non-Muslim countries. And justice – justice has negative cost when there are so many people in jail for stupid reasons, which only alienate others. What’s so hard about letting people who want to enjoy ISIS utopia fly out of our country, then lock the door behind them? Playing Soviet didn’t work for the Soviets, and it won’t work for us, and they’ll just kill each other when they get over there anyway and spare us the trouble.
How is “trimming Muslim immigration” going to stop native born terrorists ? I will wait for your response.
Create a return movement for European Muslims akin to that of Zionism:
1. First we need an ancient set of esoteric teachings that are meant to explain the relationship between an unchanging, eternal, and mysterious source of all things manifest and that which is manifest itself.
2. Second we need an elevated landmass that is high enough to be perceived as bridging the divide between heaven and earth in a way that can mythically symbolizes the intersecting point from which physical reality emerges from an unmanifest spirtual realm of pure creative potential (akin to that of Mount Tzion).
3. Third we need Koranic scholarship that clearly demonstrates an ancient (prehistorical/oral) claim to the territory that encompasses that mythical landmass.
4. Fourth we need Western (objective) scholarship to attest to the fact that forced Muslim Migration from their mythical homeland is a constitutive element in the history of diaspora populations.
5. Fifth we need an accelerating history of ethnic and religious persecution of Muslims that, absent immediate political redress, will predictably result in the eventual extermination of Muslim populations across the European Continent by its godless kafirs.
5. Sixth we need to provide western powers with a compelling interest to secretly support a political movement that allows for the return of displaced Muslims and the violent displacement of indigenous peoples who have no true claim to the lands they occupy.
7. Lastly we need a sympathetic European counterculture whose whole cloth rejection of material values results in its own marginalization, and whose thirst for life’s deeper meaning predisposes it to Islam’s claim that only the “Unmanifest Creator and divine essence of all things manifest ” (Allah) is worthy of their reverence. They will provide the material means by which Muslims can return to their mythical homeland and reclaim their rightful place as the worshipful guardians of the elevated source from which all material things derive their essence.
Absent a Muslim presence in Europe, sympathetic “native-born terrorists” will feel compelled to exercise their violent tendencies abroad.
A post that rivals those of our beloved Duce!
Countries can have any immigration policies they want, and that’s fine. But there’s a much more important step almost no one talks about: Western imperialism/colonialism/meddling should be rolled back.
Consider the war on terror. It’s been going on for 15 years. Militarism and intervention were worse than useless responses, because they exacerbated the problem to a significant degree. It’s insane to believe more militarism will solve the problem.
I agree with almost everything in your post apart from the unfortunate phrase about trimming immigration quotas. What I suggest is that all the EU countries do more to integrate their immigrant populations. Though behind the curve, Germany started doing that a decade ago, but there are still very substantial artificial barriers to integration in many countries, especially France, and very substantial class barriers in many countries, especially the UK.
Particularly meritorious is your idea of letting those who want to join ISIS leave, permanently. You want to go? OK, smile for the camera, open wide for a swab of your DNA, hand over your passport, and off you go. BTW, you are no longer a citizen of this country, and any attempt on your part to enter this country in the future will constitute a criminal act, for which you will be immediately imprisoned.
What you describe seems to be reasonable and rational strategies and tactics for a fight against the greatest Empire the world has ever known with an annual military budget of 1.4 trillion dollars (that’s every year).
I am certainly no jihadist or even violent at my age I couldn’t be if I wanted to but I sure can’t root for the Empire. I am not sure if Isis is not a US proxy or in some way useful in the grand strategy.
In any case ridding Europe of Merkel and her cabal of Neoliberal ideologues who run Europe and stripped Greece of its democracy and turned it into a German bantustan and now a Gaza style outdoor prison would be welcome.
Intentional attacks on civilian targets are reasonable and rational strategies?
The things you hear online…
“Intentional attacks on civilian targets are reasonable and rational strategies?”
Well, Western leaders and commanders have certainly thought so, at least since WWII. Do you need citations? Got lots.
As for relatively weak combatants whose homelands and cultures have been and continue to be under devastating attack by vastly superior military forces, such people have always responded by focusing on soft targets, the only targets they can reliably and effectively strike — terrorism, if you like.
It’s quite predictable and not hard to understand.
Save your citations Doug, I have no illusion that the U.S. and “Western leaders” haven’t caused their share of pain and suffering. But that distraction doesn’t make ISIS’ attacks “reasonable or rational strategies.”
If you’re going to make this argument and so blithely accept ISIS’ supposed justifications for their violence, I hope you apply it consistently. For example, let’s consider the 2004 Beslan school siege and whether it was a “reasonable and rational strategy” under your logic.
Let’s go down your checklist:
* Relatively weak group: yes, Chechen separatists.
* under “devastating attack” (however the hell you define that): sure, they have suffered at the hands of the Russian government and have legitimate concerns.
* Soft target hit: yep! That was the one that resulted in hundreds of dead children.
* Did it further the Chechen strategy: You tell us Doug. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege#Aftermath
ISIS shares many similarities and more. Mad at the West (aka “Rome”) for infractions spanning back centuries; mad at countries attempting to stifle ISIS’ conquest by force through Iraq and Syria; Mad at Shias for their supposed perversion of Islam; mad at the polytheists and the nonbelievers; mad at journalists for being Western spies; mad at unarmed soldiers who must be executed and put in mass graves; mad at the women they turn to sex slaves; mad at all the highly publicized pawns in their game that are drowned, burned alive, or that have their heads sawed off; mad at anybody that gets in the way of their establishing a Caliphate.
The Brussels attack is just another bullet on their resume. So Doug: let’s go back to the start. How about you educate us all on how ISIS’ attack represents a “reasonable and rational strategy”?
You seem to be mixing up “reasonable and rational strategy” with “good thing we should all support”. Something can be a rational strategy to bring about a desired result and still be abhorrent and unacceptable.
Ronny,
If I am mixing up “reasonable and rational strategy” then please explain to me why ISIS’ attacks (Paris and Brussels) should be characterized as such.
Because I think several of you are in turn confusing those terms with characterizations such as:
* “predictable and intended to generate publicity to their cause”
* “a strategy of intimidation and fear”
* “tactically beneficial to ISIS recruitment”
* “beneficial to ISIS’ overarching goal of removing the gray zone between the West and Islam.”
To call any of these “reasonable and rational” is to implicitly legitimize ISIS’ actions. An example from a different perspective: was the U.S.’ use of torture a “reasonable and rational strategy”? I say no, but there are many out there that say otherwise because torture can yield strategically important information in individual circumstances. But their argument falls apart when you describe systematic torture such as the “enhanced interrogation program” which leads to victims giving falsehoods or admitting guilty just to avoid more pain. Furthermore, it violates international laws and norms, is a national disgrace, and has harmed our image across the world.
Torture may have had limited tactical and strategic gains for those committing the crimes but that does not render it reasonable and rational. The same is true of terrorism. Terrorist acts have surely yielded concessions in the past. Does that strategic victory render it “reasonable and rational.” To say yes, you’d have to believe that the ends justify the means.
Not a single person expressing disagreement with my point has even attempted to explain why these suicide attacks are a reasonable and rational strategy. That is telling because the fact is, it is uniting the world against ISIS. Now, maybe you’ll respond “that’s what they want, the West versus Islam!” and that may be so, but it does not render their strategy reasonable and rational.
Nate, I also don’t believe that there can be any justifications for Isis violence or for any other terrorist group attacks. Killing and spreading fear and terror is not going to achieve anything. That said the US Government and Western leaders have been responsible for a lot more than what you describe as “pain and suffering.” They commited thousands of war crimes in Vietnam, and they killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civillians in the Iraq war. They are profiting and supporting the despot regime in Saudi Arabia, and the bombing of Yemen in which again, thousands of ordinary people have been bombed, with schools, markets, and hospitals attacked. In Afghanistan the CIA destabilized the country and supported financially Islamic extremists who commited rape, and genocide.Whilst in your mind, you may see this as merely pain and suffering I suspect that most fair minded observers and historians would strongly disagree with your description. I think that it’s very important to not understate crimes against humanity, no matter who has been responsible. The crimes of the US Government and Western leaders should also not be described as a “distraction” since they are also main and major catastrophic and murderous events just as terrorist attacks are. Distracting to you maybe, but a lot more than a mere distraction to innocent civillians abroad who witness their families, including children, being blown up.
Mister – I don’t need to consider the past crimes and failures of the U.S. to condemn ISIS. That’s why it is a distraction as I said.
If little Billy goes into Wal-Mart and steals some candy, I wouldn’t gloss over the infraction just because Wal Mart pays horrible wages and treats salaried employees like garbage. “Billy stole the candy but Wal Mart has done terrible things, so who are they to call the police!!” Piss poor logic. If I responded to the US bombing of the Afghan hospital by saying “The Taliban also does bad stuff!” would you gobble up that excuse as legitimate and type up a list of Taliban war crimes like their shelling of Kabul in the 1990s?
And you are simply twisting my words. I am not saying U.S. crimes are distracting in general, but that past war crimes such as in Vietnam are IRRELEVANT to discussing ISIS’ suicide bombing of Brussels. You are providing the distraction by trying to turn a focus on the actions of ISIS into a historical discussion of war crimes.
Mister – since you prefer to change the subject, let’s have you provide clarification on a couple things:
1. Explain to me how the CIA destabilized Afghanistan.
2. Provide some examples of what fair minded historians say to describe past US actions since “causing ‘pain and suffering'” is a euphemism in your eyes.
Nate, tell me when I said that you had to consider past crimes and failures of the US before condemning Isis? I thought from my reply to your reply to Doug, that It was clear that I agreed with you that there can be no justifications for killing people in terrorist attacks. I do not consider that the Isis attacks on Paris and Brussels could ever be described as “reasonable and rational strategy” No targeted killing and injuring of civilians should ever be considered as reasonable and rational strategy, and no matter who the perpetrators are of such evil massacres, they should be held accountable, and those carrying out such slaughter, and those that ordered it, and financed it should be brought to trial for their crimes. This should also apply to the targeting of civilians by Government’s military forces, and to rogue Governments that act as Imperialist rogue states, carrying out state terrorism across the World. I disagree with you when you suggest that you believe that there is no relevance in discussing past war crimes for a discussion on Isis terrorist attacks, but I note that you only chose Vietnam from the few examples of US, And Saudi war crimes which I provided. The relevance to the discussion of the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civillians in the Iraq war and the removal of Saddam Hussein was that it destabilized the Country, and made Iraq a caudren of hatred, aiding terrorist recruitment. You will note that I also mentioned the much more recent historic event of the Coalition backed Saudi war plane attack on the Yemen market which resulted in the deaths of 22 children and wiped out many families as reported by The Intercept. Again the relevance is that this will have also assisted terrorist recruitment, and will have increased hatred in Yemen. When drone attacks slam into an innocent civilians house and wipe out families, or when civilians are killed because they are simply in the close vincinity of a targeted drone strike, do you not consider that would cause feelings of hatred, desire for revenge, and in turn again aid terrorist recruitment? The targeting of civilians in markets, hospitals, and for that matter any other war crimes or historic deliberate targeting of civilians should not be described as merely ” pain and suffering” which is a term more commonly applied to a whiplash injury, not a suitable description where civilians have been torn to pieces by bombs. It is yourself that has piss poor understanding of the relevance of how targeting civilians and commiting war crimes can assist terrorist recruitment and increase threats to National security. There needs to be a major in depth examination and assessment of the War on Terror, and as it’s now run for nearly 15 years some serious questions do need to be asked. I am certain that I read recently in Democracy Now that a retired US General was asking why has the War on Terror not been won, when the US military is such an advanced and powerful force with so much advanced technology and weaponry at its disposal ? Why is there no end to the war in sight and when is it going to end ? What has the cost been in terms of the loss of life and in financial costs to the US economy? I am staggered that not a single US presidential candidate has stood against the continual militirization of the US. Nobody is questioning the drive towards smaller nuclear arms, which increase nuclear threats ? So you see Nate, I’m not changing the subject – I just don’t want to discuss a single targeted attack on civilians in isolation. There is much more going on, a bigger picture to all of it, and to defeat acts of terror that deliberately target and kill and injure civillians we must have a wider and more detailed examination. I will provide you with the clarification which you have requested on 1 and 2 in a separate post as my reply will be lengthy, and detailed. I find it interesting though that you did not want to hear of Doug’s citations – maybe you just didn’t want them brought up again ? Or was it that they represent to you, just a bit of “pain and suffering” maybe ?
Yes, you are changing the subject.
I have absolutely no qualms with discussing the rise of ISIS and the conditions that allowed them to thrive. Every time ISIS does something unsavory, I end up having this discussion over and over about the causality instead of about the actual ISIS action and steps going forward. I see it as an effort at deflection.
But if you want me to recite it again I can: The US destabilizing the area with the invasion, the terrible decision to purge the Baathist bureaucracy, the Syrian civil war, proxy wars including both the Saudis and Iran, psychopathic individuals like Zarqawi who gained purpose during the US invasion and was a huge cause of the sectarian violence, Wahhabism/Salafism and hatred of the Shia going back centuries, the political failures of Iraqi Shia politicians such as Maliki and their shoddy treatment of the Sunni minority, arguments for/against whether the US should have kept a stronger physical/political presence in Iraq beyond 2011, the breakup of AQ and ISI, and the disintegration of the Iraqi military in places like Mosul when ISIS steamrolled in.
I am gladly willing to focus on these but what you’re doing is bringing up a dozen or so topics that you are broad stroking. In the above post you address the following: ISIS, targeting of civilians by governments, rogue governments, Saudi and U.S. war crimes, the Iraq invasion and removal of Saddam, Saudi actions in Yemen, drone strikes, complaining about my use of words, terrorist recruitment, unfoundedly claiming that I have a piss poor understanding of targeting civilians and war crimes, the failures of the war on terror, and endless war.
I have no desire in having 12 inch deep discussions. Id rather have 1-2 substantive ones. With that said, I await your responses to my prior Qs.
No Nate, I am not changing the subject, and I can see that you have chosen not to answer any of the questions which I put to you. I also note that you want to discuss next steps going forward, and I would be very interested in hearing your views on what you believe might help in bringing about peace, and reducing the threat of terrorism ?
You asked me two questions earlier, and I have provided my answers :
1. Explain how the CIA destabilized Afghanistan ?
There are countless articles published on the Internet which provide answers to this but to save you having to Google them I have provided a summary. The CIAs largest covert operation came in the form of The National Security Council Directive 166 in 1985 ordering the destabilization of Afghanistan. This directive represented a further expansion of what the CIA had already been doing since 1979. The CIA working covertly through Pakistan’s Intelligence provided massive arms to Afghanistan’s Mujahideen. A stinger missile electronic simulator was brought to Pakistan and training was provided. Soviet battle plans nod communications were intercepted by spy satellites and information relayed to the resistance, and massive amounts of fraudulent perception management books were distributed to the population. The plan worked and the progressive Government of Afghanistan and the Soviet forces who were supporting them at the request of the freely elected Government of Afghanistan were defeated.
I anticipate that you may try to site the official version which was that the CIA aid to the mujahideen began during 1980 – that is after the Soviet invasion on the 24th December 1979. However, according to an interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser the reality was that it was on the 3rd of July 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the Afghanistan Government’s opponents. Brzezinski explained to President Carter that in his opinion this would induce a Soviet military intervention which it did. More than 2 billion dollars in guns and money was supplied to the Mujaheddin during the 80s.
If you have read the book No good men amongst the living, America, the Taliban and the war through Afghan eyes by Anand Gopal you will have learnt that even after the last Soviet troops had withdrawn from Afghanistan in 1989 “the CIA kept the weapons and money flowing to the Mujahideen whist trying to block any peace deal”between them and the Soviet funded Government. “Finally with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 both Moscow and Washington agreed to cease aid to their respective proxies and within months the Government of Afghanistan crumbled. The question of how to build a new state and fill the vacuum has not been resolved to this day.
2. Provide some examples of what fair minded historians say about past US actions ? This question is a bit subjective since your view and. Definition of what constitutes a fair minded historian could well be different. However, I will propose to provide examples from Nick Turse’s book Kill anything that moves, the real American war in Vietnam. Nick Turse is an acclaimed historian, and an investigative journalist who through ten years of painstaking research into secret Pentagon archives, and through interviews with American war veterans and Vietnamese survivors ( to demonstrate balance and fairness) has provided detailed testimony of the systematic and pervasive killings, torturing, mutilating of Vietnamese citizens. The numerous accounts from eye witnesses including American veterans establish that the My Lai massacre was not an isolated war crime, and not at all exceptional. Rather that it was the predictable consequences of official orders to kill anything that moves. The book details how the US corporatized military issued body count kill targets, with incentives and applied pressure for the numbers to be hit. many civilians were slaughtered in their villages, and then called in as Killed Vietcom to inflate body count. The book challenges the silence of the media throughout this period and re writes history exposing the truth about the Vietnam War.
If you haven’t read the book as yet Nate then I would urge you to do so, and perhaps you could then explain why so many of these crimes against the Vietnamese people were not prosecuted, and why so many investigations commenced but then stalled ? Why were no US Generals held accountable for their kill anything that moves orders which resulted in so many civilian deaths?
Look forward to your comments and answers.
1. Explain how the CIA destabilized Afghanistan.
You seem to be trying to blame the Soviet invasion on the CIA, thereby divorcing the Soviets from its role in said destabilization. That just doesn’t cut it. The Soviets were the primary destabilizer followed by the Taliban and then Pakistan then the U.S. /Saudis/others. Let’s focus on the CIA’s role, which started with ineptitude.
According to Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner
Like so often the case throughout its history, the CIA got caught with their pants down. They saw the Soviet buildup on the border but didn’t anticipate an invasion.
Even within days of the attack, the CIA was wrong:
If the US was trying to induce an invasion, why weren’t they acting like it!? Let’s talk about the Soviet invasion as the prime destabilizer:
From the book “Afghantsy”:
Excerpt From: Braithwaite, Rodric. “Afgantsy: The Russians in Afghanistan 1979-89.” Oxford University Press, 2011. iBooks.
From the very book you cited that I also read last year:
Excerpt From: Gopal, Anand. “No Good Men Among the Living.” Henry Holt and Company. iBooks.
” The troubles dated back to” being the operative sentence. As you then pointed out, the Soviet Union collapsed and the Americans lost attention. At this point the U.S.made some halfassed effort to rebuy the Stingers and left. CIA deserves its share of blame for the reckless influx of weapons, but it was ultimately the Soviets decision to invade. The “Soviet Vietnam.”
Some other misses in your analysis: Directive 166 didn’t “order the destabilization of Afghanistan” that’s your editorial. They introduced more weapons to push out the Soviets including the Stinger to counter the Soviet HIND helicopter which was massacring people from high above. This is described in the book Charlie Wilson’s War.
Also, NSDD-166 actually took control away from the CIA.
Steve Coll, Ghost Wars:
A group was formed under the National Security Council.
As for your Brzezinski quote, you left out this part
In conclusion, You cannot ignore the huge destabilizing impact of the Soviet invasion. Leveling blame at the CIA instead is like the blaming Iran for the US invasion of Iraq, because Iran had proxies engaged and, instead of providing Stingers, gave out VBIEDs. Blame the invader first and foremost (in this case the US).
And we didn’t even get to the Taliban!
2. Provide some examples of what fair minded historians say about past US actions ?
I’ve heard of this book and actually have its sample in my iPad library.
It literally has a chapter called “2. A system of suffering”. Google books shows the following:
Also in the intro:
Looks like he uses the terms as well.
There is nothing reasonable or acceptable in attacking and killing civilians anywhere in the World. The killing and bombing has to stop, and it has to be recognized that more killing only fuels hatred, fanning the flames of terrorism, and aiding terrorist recruitment. It is as disgusting to bomb and kill civilians in an International airports as it is to bomb civilians in markets and hospitals in Yemen, Afghanistan and Iraq or anywhere. The killing must stop, now, and those responsible must be held responsible, and brought to justice for these horrendous and sickening crimes against humanity.
‘injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere’
As long as this world has injustices everybody is fair game…right or wrong it is reality…a disturbance has ripple effect 360 degrees…
I wish that journalists would not retreat to the obvious and utilize the cliche arguments that we, the ordinary citizens, are hearing from security personnel whose interest nowadays appear to decrease fear among the population. I’m wondering why are these acts of terror occurring nowadays when the EU appear poised on making important decisions concerning the intransigence of Israel. I remember the Paris attacks coincided with Statehood recognition of Palestine and now with the BDS campaign and the data base of Israel businesses, there is another terrorist attack in Europe. I’m not a journalist whose business is information. I’m just a global citizen who is interested in governments and how the send our loved ones to die based on lies. Thus, creating a very unstable world for us to live in and for future generations.
Well, I consider this a very strong endorsement that creating TSA was the precise goal of Osama Bin Laden. Good job playing into their hands, US security state.
Ultimately this is a religious movement which is tying into Islamic Civilization going back many centuries now. The goal is to conquer Europe for Allah; and then America. Unfortunately we have had in Obama a very cooperative leader who may himself desire this. The fact is that Islam may again become the predominant culture on the planet and displace the Elite’s NWO. After all the Muslims believe they have God on their side while the Elite apparently look to Lucifer! I am not sure anyone is willing to die for Lucifer but obviously Muslims are for Allah.
” I am not sure anyone is willing to die for Lucifer but obviously . . . ”
. . . hundreds of millions in the West are eager to kill for Mammon.
You are a little cynical. Read this: “Mohammed, Islamic History, and the Bloody Future of the West” http://realfactsmedia.com/mohammed-and-islam/
That’s not a trustworthy URL at all.
It’s easy to refute your paranoid fears. ISIS hasn’t been able to capture a single state so far, even in places where the population is almost completely Muslim. How do you suppose they are going to march into a country where Muslims are a tiny minority, countries with significant resources, and convert the entire population to Islam? That’s too stupid to even merit consideration.
ISIS obviously does want to establish a Islamic state in the Middle East. That is their goal. If they attack western countries, Russia, and so forth, it’s not because they are about to conquer Europe. ISIS is basically attacking its adversaries in the civil war it’s fighting, where many outside countries have decided to intervene.
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcrazyemailsandbackstories.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F10%2Fbush-saudi-holding-hands_n.jpg%3Fw%3D535&f=1
Maybe you should look into the conservative connection to Saudi Arabia, you know 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, so was Osama Bin Laden, 25% of foreign ISIS fighters are also Saudi. 9/11 was also funded by a saudi prince that may or may not have known what specific mission he was funding. But our conservative ally has been funding terrorism since the 80’s. Which was fine when was mostly directed at Russia, but now that the terror genie is out of the lamp I find it interesting that conservatives seem to have forgotten who they have been in bed with since the 80’s. Talk about a very cooperative leader, your buddy bush flew the other bin laden’s out of the country after the attack…
Murtaza,
Don’t assume your readers know anything about NATO or the EU or what they have to do with capitalism and imperialism. The Intercept is sorely lacking in class analysis, and shallow articles like this one only underscore why such analysis is vital to understanding current events and discerning between official propaganda and the truth.
VJ: I don’t think we should hold our collective breath waiting for a media outlet dependent upon funding by a capitalist billionaire to provide us with insightful analysis of class issues — but TI, so far at least, does permit us to raise the questions.
It probably won’t do much good, as most of the participants BTL are, in truth, tweakers and incrementalists who seldom fundamentally question their lifelong capitalist indoctrination.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
~Upton Sinclair
see also the analysis at the WSWS:
https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/internationalPoliticsCategory/eu-eu/
Again, it would be irresponsible and negligent of The Intercept to omit any analysis of why the EU was formed, what are the rivalries within the EU, what is the political economy of the EU, what are the class tensions, who are the beneficiaries of these repressive policies and who are the victims…
See:
The fracturing of the European Union
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/12/28/pers-d28.html
Fractal wrongness
Most of the terrorist attacks in America are committed by right wing extremists , I think this is an important point. And it’s I think it’s true to say that most if not all of these attacks are blow back. Fighting over middle eastern energy resources is what causes all of this and everybody knows it. ” strategic value of the energy resources in the mid east”
There is only one practical solution which is to begin removing the Muslims from Europe. The question is, how many terrorist attacks before this solution is forced on the Europeans. Who has to die first? How many? This solution will of course remind Europeans of Hitler and the Concentration Camps. The American Left will be quick to accuse the Europeans of being fascists. Meanwhile depending on who becomes President here America will be headed for a similar fate.
Detention camps or death?
All I can say to this ridiculous post is….good luck removing tens of millions of European Muslims, most of them born and raised in their European homelands. Only a fool would think up such a solution to what is mainly a political problem.
“what is mainly a political problem” — outline your political solution. It is easy to write that, but I see no political solution to what is an intense and ancient religious movement. Have you ever had worms? Too many of the Muslims that you call European are like worms. To eliminate worms a strong medicine is needed. Are you okay with honor killings, beheading of gays, etc.? The alternative to a real solution is Sharia law.
William, my friend , you are some special kind of nut bag. I dont recall any Muslim terrorism before the US and other western imperialist powers started colonizing and looting the natural resources Muslim majority countries . That, my idiot friend , is the political problem. As for “worms” and the other nonsense you are blabbering about, I don’t know what I can say. I suspect you haven’t taken your medicine today.
Compare a religious minority to lower animals and diseases like worms to get rid of them in Europe, I wonder where I heard that before, William St.Goebbels?
WSG,
Please STFU.
Respectfully,
VJ
Uh, propaganda….? Disinformation…? Giving legs to fiction?…
Dear The Intercept,
“Stop calling Daesh “the Islamic State.” They are manipulating you. They aren’t a state and they aren’t Islamic. If some fringe cult took over some villages in Mexico and called itself “The Vatican,” then committed terrorism, would journalists blithely say on air “Today, the Vatican killed 39 and injured 200 with a bomb belt”? People in the Middle East hate this small desert fringe, and they term it “Daesh,” not “Islamic.” They should know.”
Juan Cole, at http://www.juancole.com/2016/03/how-not-to-talk-about-muslims-after-a-fringe-terrorist-group-attacks.html
Oops. I forgot, again, too.
Sorry, Sufi. Daesh they are.
ISIS may very well be correct in in its predictive bragging. So far, it certainly seems so.
Much of the Muslim Middle East and Central Asia, along with Russia, has very good and sensible reasons to desire that NATO and European unity be undermined: it is that unity that has allowed the West to unleash an apparently endless and monstrous war of aggression against entities and populations in the first two regions and to surround, provoke and demonize Russia.
That elements of the affected populations would respond with the sort of asymmetric warfare the we call “terrorism” (which is what they call our bombs and drones) should have been as predictable as today’s sunrise.
You seem like a smart guy, yet you too fall for the nonstop ‘terrorist threat’ bullshit scam. In fact, you actually seem to be part of the propaganda effort.
Caught between solidarity and anger, must also analyse. Kenan Malik’s 8 Theses on terror are a good place to start http://bit.ly/1T6uA7K
1. Contemporary terror attacks are not responses to Western foreign policy. What marks them out is their savage nihilistic character
2. We should reject the attempts to link terror attacks to the migration crisis and the failure to close borders
3. Both sides in the debate about the relationship of terror to Islam miss the point
4. Jihadis are often as estranged from mainstream institutions of Islam as they are from wider society.
5. Part of the reason for the reason for the attraction of jihadism in Europe is that the collapse of the left, and of a universalist outlook, has combined with the rise of identity politics to create new openings for Islamism
6. The fading of the left and the rise of identity politics has also transformed anti-Western sentiment and turned it into an inchoate rage against modernity
7. Muslims are not the only group to feel disaffected and estranged from mainstream institutions. There is, however, something distinctive about Islamist identity
8. It is our response that will determine whether the terrorists succeed