IN 2015, WHILE visiting Australia for a speaking engagement, Navaid Aziz was confronted by a young man who expressed his desire to join the Islamic State militant group. “He was saying he wanted to join the caliphate and similar sorts of rhetoric,” recalls Aziz, a youth counselor and Muslim religious scholar based in Canada. “It seemed like a lot of people had been brushing him off as a punk kid, but I set aside a few hours each day that I was there to listen to what he was saying and give my own feedback.”
A year later, the young man tracked Aziz down on Facebook. “I honestly didn’t know what had happened with him and thought that anything was possible,” Aziz says. In his message, the young man thanked Aziz for giving him guidance while he was in Australia. “He told me that if I hadn’t taken the time to speak with him then and challenge the things he was thinking, he might’ve ended up leaving home to join ISIS.”
This encounter between a young man and Aziz, a respected figure in his community who made time for him, potentially helped stop another young person from joining an extremist group. It also highlights the promise of self-directed, grassroots efforts against violent groups at a time when Western governments are spending millions on controversial, often invasive “countering violent extremism” programs.
Since then, government coffers in the United States and elsewhere have opened up to fund counterextremism programs. The Obama administration has requested $69 million in funding for countering violent extremism (CVE) programs at the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice, according to a 2017 budget submission for one of the offices receiving the funds. And the White House has described CVE efforts as an “administration priority” for its overall 2017 budget.
The U.S. government has long been engaged in promoting CVE, from funding “moderate Islamic rap” to creating Twitter accounts and “fancy memes” to battle the influence of radicals online. This is in addition to the millions also being spent around the world by private organizations.
But despite the massive outlays of cash, the effectiveness of such programs is difficult to quantify. Many critics of CVE programs have blamed them for antagonizing the communities they are supposed to be doing outreach with, either by using counterextremism as a cover for surveillance, or by anointing “religious reformers” or “former extremists” as figureheads, despite the fact that such individuals are often widely loathed among Muslim communities.
“The issue is that many of these initiatives are spearheaded by individuals who have little experience or credibility with Muslim communities, and are thus unlikely to provide effective counternarratives for those at risk,” says Alexander Corbeil, a specialist on counterextremism at the security research firm SecDev. “I’m doubtful any mass campaign would have an impact on young people at risk of extremism. Such individuals need to be engaged with one on one to understand their grievances and reasoning. That’s the most effective way to prevent people from going down a path to radicalism, but the success of any such effort also requires the input and close involvement of people in Muslim communities.”
For him, steering young people away from radical groups is not a government directive but something that he sees as a civic, moral, and religious duty. A youth counselor to young people living in Calgary, Alberta, he runs a mentorship group with his wife for young people in their local community. “Our focus is on keeping kids safe from the dangers that exist out there, whether they be gangs, drugs, or other forms of violence,” Aziz says. “Protecting them from radicalism is a natural extension of that.”
As part of the mentorship program, which runs out of a local mosque where Aziz is an instructor, young people receive lessons on social justice and take part in community volunteer activities intended to provide a sense of purpose and responsibility. “We have study sessions where we focus on critical thinking and teaching young people the consequences of their actions. We also look at the lives of people in the past who confronted situations of injustice without resorting to violence, like Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and historical figures from Islam,” he says. “The purpose of all this is to show young people they are part of something greater than themselves. We do volunteer work in the broader community, particularly with senior citizens, and the kids start feeling like their lives are part of something big and meaningful.”
The Calgary community that Aziz serves has come under scrutiny after a number of its young men — seven are named in a U.S. Military Academy report — traveled abroad to join the Islamic State. Some later appeared in propaganda videos for the group. Others are now believed to be dead. In 2014, the city’s police chief raised concerns that support for extremism was growing among young people, in part due to the deteriorating political situation in the Middle East.
Aziz says that despite a few sensational cases, in his experience, support for radicalism exists only among a fringe minority. But for those who are at risk for radicalization, political events are a prime driver. “We shoot ourselves in the foot when we try and look for single root causes for social phenomena like this, but the elephant in the room is always foreign policy. Nobody wants to address it, though in my experience, its the No. 1 reason that young people get angry,” Aziz says. “Muslim communities have existed in Western countries for a very long time, but the issue of homegrown terrorism only arose over the past decade with the Iraq War and this period of extended conflict in the Middle East.”
“There is injustice going on in the world, and unless you do something to mitigate those problems, you’ll always end up treating symptoms but not the disease,” Aziz says.
Top photo: Muslims hold a protest against ISIS outside the White House in Washington, D.C., on Dec. 6, 2015.
According to the Jerusalem Post, an Anchor in Saudi Arabia went off on who is responsible for terrorism (“Watch: Saudi news anchor urges fellow Muslims to ‘feel shame’ over terrorist attacks”):
“………An anchor on a Saudi television news channel this week implored her fellow Muslims to acknowledge that “we are the ones who gave birth” to the terrorists who committed recent attacks in Europe…….Rotana Khalijiya TV anchor Nadine Al-Budair went to task against apologists who claim terrorists have no connection to Islam or Muslims…….
……..In a clip of the broadcaster’s speech translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), Al-Budair called for the Muslim world to stop “shedding their conscience” and start feeling a collective “shame.”….
………”Whenever terrorism massacres peaceful civilians, the smart alecks and the hypocrites vie with one another in saying that these people do not represent Islam or the Muslims,” she begins, adding: “Perhaps one of them could tell us who does represent Islam and the Muslims.”……..
……..”It is we who blow ourselves up. It is we who blow others up,” she charged…….
……..Al-Budair pointed to the “abominable” suicide bombings that left dozens dead in Brussels on March 22, saying “it’s time for us to feel shame and to stop acting as if the terrorists are a rarity.”……..
………”We must admit that they are everywhere, that their nationality is Arab, and that they adhere to the religion of Islam,” she asserted……..
………She finished her oration urging religious leaders to take a stand and admit a correlation between the violent attacks and their faith-based teachings and rulings……..
……..”Where are the sheiks of yesterday?” the newsreader asked. “Why don’t they have the courage to declare that they are the ones who said that Jihad is obligatory, and who legalized political wars, using futile and disgraceful exeges which permit killing, enslavement and destruction?”…….”
Here is a courageous woman who will never see the light of day in the Intercept (or possibly in Saudi Arabia either).
OK…talk to them. And, what is your answer when the kids tell you that Western leaders bold-faced lied their way into Iraq in 2003, that they tortured, that Abu Ghraib was allowed to occur, that drones kill civilians and Western leaders lie and call them “militants”, that whistleblowers in the West are imprisoned? What are you going to say? “Oh, but sweetie, we’re not as bad as THEM!”, like a petulant 8 year old? Where is the moral grounding of the West?
Best be ready for some brutally honest, frank discussion.
Other Arabs/Persians/Muslims are more than capable of that, I’m sure. The primary problem, as it always is, is young males. They made up the ranks of the IRA. They also tend to be the abortion clinic bombers, as well as the white supremacists who kill black people, Jews , Asians and gay people. Young males tend to be the radical Zionists burning Muslim families to death in the West Bank.
Then elders of the community have the moral authority to speak to them and hopefully make them listen. Killing innocents is wrong; clear definitions of who is innocent (at least enough not to warrant being murdered) come from the older people.
Grievance-based violence and wild-eyed utopian visions are usually the provence of the young. Resistance is moral, but the more mature members of oppressed communities generally have much better judgment about how to do that justly.
I’m reminded of some of the violence in Ferguson, when some young black males were burning local businesses, smashing windows and looting. Their moms and grandmothers came out and gave them what-for.
Yes, those good moms and grandmothers came out and gave them a good smack as they should not be burning, smashing, windows or local anything. But they really were not burning anything local they were burning corporate banks and corporate chain type retailers that keep their profits in foreign tax havens, supply their stores with products made overseas, and pay the locals unsustainable minimum wages for part time non benefit dead end jobs. Now that I think about it I hope the moms and grandmothers did not hit the kids too hard.
Virginal losers living in Molenbeek were not hit by drones. They have no right to take up arms against their own country.
Mona
“……-Mona- ? craigsummers
Apr. 4 2016, 10:28 p.m.
Remember Bamage?
Stop flooding the comments in attempts to get my attention. Your endless, inane, often long and rambling comments annoy the shit out of many people, and we’ve been losing some good ones because of you……”
Speak about destroying the threads with “often long” and inane comments. I have often enjoyed your hypocrisy on so many different topics.
Thanks as always Mona.
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/18/brazil-is-engulfed-by-ruling-class-corruption-and-a-dangerous-subversion-of-democracy/?comments=1#comment-212423
The crude bigotry of many Zionists, like Jonah, has horrific consequences for real people. For Muslim people, or people perceived to be Muslims (such as Sikhs).
To read about the intense bigotry American Muslims face in part because of hate-filled Zionists, check out the site #HateHurts – Tracking Islamophobia and the communities affected by it
Jonah
Replies to my point about Hindu and Orthodox Jewish terrorism with non sequiturs and assertions, and then declares:
I’ve got multiple lists for you, Jonah. These children were killed by U.S. drones:
YEMEN
Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
PAKISTAN
Name | Age | Gender
Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
Iftikhar | 17 | male
Inayatullah | 15 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Adnan | 16 | male
Najibullah | 13 | male
Naeemullah | 17 | male
Hizbullah | 10 | male
Kitab Gul | 12 | male
Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
Zabihullah | 16 | male
Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
Shabir | 15 | male
Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male
Shafiullah | 16 | male
Nimatullah | 14 | male
Shakirullah | 16 | male
Talha | 8 | male
The capacity to carry out violence is not the monopoly of any group – religious or non religious.
Many Muslims were killed by some Hindus in India several years ago. Modi was banned from visiting certain countries because of that, but was allowed to travel to those countries only after he became the prime minister.
Many Muslims have been killed by some Buddhists. That group’s leader was featured on 60 Minutes once and proudly claimed to be the ‘Buddhist Osama bin Laden’.
But we don’t suggest that the essence of these two religions is so bad that all people adhering to them must renounce them, because we know that no religious or non religious group is monolithic, and people’s actions have historically been very diverse.
We also recognize that the reasons human beings commit violence are complex because human beings are complex. So we don’t try to simplify them.
Well said, Sufi. You are among a small group of wise and grounded commenters, here or elsewhere on the Internet. (I frequently think: “I want what she has.”)
“When Harry Met Sally” reference?
https://www.google.ca/search?q=harry%20met%20sally&cad=h#imgrc=Zh6YoS-9Kc35zM%3A
If so, LOL.
Sufi, you are good, but not that good. ;)
Fair point but the numbers are around 99%. Numbers matter
How do the “numbers matter” vis-a-vis your demand that Sufi Muslim is morally obligated to abandon her faith?
They suggest she may be inadvertently contributing to a very significant problem.
How do the numbers suggest Sufi Muslim may be contributing to a very significant problem?
because the numbers indicate the problem is out of control. She’s not guilty of anything but the more people who believe in Allah, the harder it is to convince people he doesn’t exist and that he’s not worth waging Jihad for. If more Muslims acknowledged that the Koran is a plagiarized falsehood, the less terror there would be
You have no idea what I, as a Sufi, think ‘Allah’ is, nor did you apparently pay any attention to that article on the spiritual significance of Jihad I posted a link of, or do you understand how the Sufis have interpreted the term, Jihad, historically, nor have you taken the time to understand how we interpret the Quran, nor do you look at the reality of Islam and see that it consists of a mosaic of cultures and interpretations and practices.
You continue to make one assumption after another about Muslims and Islam, and are simply exposing your own inner self to a readership that, I think, is generally quite sophisticated.
This is who we are:
http://www.askonline.co.za
Also look up Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Kabir Helminski, William Chittick, Frithjof Schuon, Martin Lings, Rumi and ibn Arabi.
First, you have a college sophomore’s idea of sacred texts, including the Qu’ran. That’s about as sophisticated as a creationist saying: “I know God exists because — trees.”
Moreover, if it’s isn’t some utopian bullshit based on some extremist reading of the Qu’ran, it’d be Marixsm, nationalism or some other ism. The notion that grievances and political instability can be cured by a bunch of people denying they believe in this or that sacred text is facile.
And now, in this thread I am done with your bigoted inanity.
So, in other words, denouncing and hating violence, adhering to, and teaching, love, peace, forgiveness, humility, not seeing otherness, serving others with no expectations, being generous, calling for reformation of the religion, adhering to the doctrine of transcendent unity of religions (plus including atheists), learning to detach from power and control, trying to be Christ-like is, in your words, akin to “inadvertently contributing to a very significant problem.”
So, I guess, using your logic, the biggest “inadvertent contributor to a problem”, was the Christ that the Christians usually believe in, for he pretty much lived and preached the same qualities of the higher consciousness, as usually understood.
Wow!
You obstruct my criticism of Islam. You obfuscate the reality of this faith. All the values you espouse can exist outside the context of Islam. Suicide bombings only exist because of Islam. You still treat the Koran like its sacred and authoritative. It is not. the continued sanctity of this book is what bring so much misery to the world. We need to slay this sacred cow.
I merely try to respond to you in a reasonable manner.
But your criticism is of the Islam as YOU understand it.
Am I not allowed to present what I think Islam is?
Would you like me to stop responding to you?
The Faith is not monolithic. I share with you what I, and many other Muslims, adhere to.
If you like, I can stop responding to you.
And I acknowledge that and have never claimed an exclusive right.
I adhere to the doctrine of transcendent unity of religions, and add atheism and agnosticism to it.
I have often stated that everyone has access to the higher consciousness regardless of their religious or non religious affiliations.
That I adhere to a form of Sufi Islam to groom the self so that it reflects the higher is my personal business, and that of other Sufis.
It suits us and others have to find their own paths to the higher consciousness that are suitable for them.
I have listed websites and Sufis elsewhere to tell you who we are. We are not hiding anything.
And I, and many, many others denounce them and do not consider them to be Islamic.
Do our voices count?
P.S. The Tamils have also carried out suicide bombings. An Indian leader was killed by a suicide bomber.
So?
Do I have that right or not?
That’s your view, and I respect that.
Perhaps, you can respect mine.
No, a misinterpretation, usually done due to ignorance, lack of courtesy, and the lower self, brings misery.
Religions are man-made. They are human interpretations of something they consider sacred.
Interpret a religion through the lower consciousness, and it’ll be devastating.
Do it through the higher consciousness, and it will bring illumination.
Or, you can take a more reasonable approach.
if there’s no book there’s nothing to misinterpret
First of all, “The Book” is already within each one of us, as the words “The Book” refers to the cosmic signs, which are accessible to anyone through their higher consciousness, which can also be misinterpreted when one turns away from them.
Second of all, the evil acts are nevertheless committed by human beings, whether there’s a book or not.
Noble acts are a result of turning away from the lower self, which reflects qualities such as selfishness, anger, vengeance, arrogance, ignorance, hatred, self-ego, desire for power and control and attachments to the things that are transient, etc.
Human beings are certainly capable of correctly interpreting the book and behaving in a goodly manner.
One can be Cain, but one can also be Able.
So, we need to vie each other for good works, respecting each other.
We humans are diverse, but our essence is one.
“if there’s no book there’s nothing to misinterpret”
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Texts that people consider sacred don’t magically disappear forever, not in recent history.
As for the Quran, it’s been memorized by billions of people throughout its history, and recited several times a day.
Every moment, there’s someone reciting a part of it around the world.
So even if you somehow burn all its copies, how are you going to erase it from people’s memory?
As a matter of fact, the written copy of the Quran was not referred to as the Quran in early years. It was the memorized and recited words that were called the Quran. The written copy was referred to as the Mus-haf.
It’s only in recent history that people started to refer to the written copy as the Quran.
You keep wishing for, and demanding, things that are silly and childish.
Are you playing a practical joke on us, or do you have a juvenile mind and are using these comment sections as your playground?
I stand with these people. Stop Islam
http://www.ibtimes.com/al-qaeda-linked-ansar-al-islam-claims-bangladesh-secular-activists-death-abusing-2351014
I don’t play the numbers game or condense human history, nor am I trabalistic, but I seriously doubt your numbers.
They are not my numbers. They are facts. Each listed attack has a citation. That was just the last 30 days. Your refusal to recognize the problem demonstrates a disturbing indifference to human life
You don’t appear to be familiar with my postings. I have denounced violence often and consistently, and have pointed out that there’s a cancerous tumor within the world of Islam.
I have also stated often that there are Muslims who are carrying out bad to evil acts.
But I have also stated that there are Muslims who carry out fair to good and excellent acts.
I am also not tribalistic.
I have also stated often that killing a human being, regardless of her/his religious or non religious affiliation, is akin to killing the entire humanity because we all have the same essence.
So your claim has no basis, and I would appreciate it if you could stop saying things with no basis. Thanks,
Mr. Hussain
A story you will never read in the Intercept as reported by the Jerusalem Post (“Number of anti-Semitic incidents in Austria increases over 80%”).
VIENNA – The number of anti-Semitic incidents reported in Austria increased more than 80 percent last year…….Jews across Europe have warned of a rising tide of anti-Semitism, fueled by anger at Israeli policy in the Middle East……..The Austrian Forum Against Anti-Semitism, which began monitoring anti-Semitic incidents in 2003, said 465 incidents were recorded during 2015, over 200 of them being Internet postings hostile to Jews………”The whole picture is terrifying,” Oskar Deutsch, president of the Jewish Communities of Austria (IKG), said………But there was a clear trend of increasingly hostile behavior against the 15,000 Jews living in Austria from Muslims, the Jewish community representative said. “There is an increasing concern in our community that – if the proportion of Muslims in Austria continues to rise due to immigration, due to the refugees – this could become problematic for us,” Fastenbauer said…….”
At the Intercept, collective punishments of Jews for the actions of Israel are never reported. There has never been a story on anti-Semitism at the Intercept because charges of anti-Semitism are always meant to stifle debate and cover up the crimes of Zionism. Violence directed at Jews anywhere in the world is legitimate resistance.
OT,
Craig, have you been watching this eagle nest?
http://dceaglecam.eagles.org/
I noticed that if the parents are in the way of the eaglets’ p**p projectile, they sense it and move away quickly.
P.S. No, there’s no metaphor in it. There could be, but I’m not trying to use it as a metaphor.
Spectacular pictures of the mom and a baby eagle. There will be lots of fish (and rabbits possibly) that will regret the day that eagle was born!
When the light is soft or directional, the view is great. I have some very good screenshots.
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“There will be lots of fish (and rabbits possibly) that will regret the day that eagle was born!”
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Ah, there’s a metaphor in what you wrote that can be applied to the human species.
The Jerusalem Post, Craig, is Israel’s Fox News…without the charm.
The Times of Israel as well. I don’t read Hebrew, but those who do tell me Sheldon Adelson’s Israeli paper, Israel Hayom, is the absolute worst. Nothing Netanyahu does isn’t fine by them.
“……The Jerusalem Post, Craig, is Israel’s Fox News…without the charm……”
You can rip the source. I don’t care. Are you suggesting that they are making this incidents of antisemitism up in Austria? Or are you suggesting that the charges of antisemitism are just to stifle debate? It is OK to be skeptical of a source (like the Intercept), but you need to try to address the content of the post and the article in the JP, OK?
A Brussels official blaming the government for the radicalization of Muslims (state-operated New York Times; 4-8-2016):
“………The problem is not Islam, he insists, but the negligence of government officials like himself in allowing self-contained ethnic ghettos to grow unchallenged, breeding anger, crime and radicalism among youth — a soup of grievances that suits Islamist recruiters…….Friends who teach the equivalent of high school seniors in the predominantly Muslim districts of Molenbeek and Schaerbeek told him that “90 percent of their students, 17, 18 years old, called them heroes……As for the terrorists, “religion for them is a pretext,” he said. “They believe in nothing. But Islam is the way they find to express, to crystallize their radicalization.”…….. “We have to fight racism and discrimination with the same force” as radicalization, he said, because “our society gives to these young people a bad idea of who and what they are.”………”
This is pure liberalism. There is no attempt to blame our support for Israel or the invasions – or any foreign policies (extreme left). Radicalization is a social problem. It wasn’t too long ago that multiculturalists taught us how important retaining one’s native culture is to immigrants. The so-called ethnic enclaves of Belgium were encouraged for the very same social reasons they are now criticized in the article. Integration and assimilation was discouraged because immigrants would lose their cultural identity. Again, we were taught that while cultures are indeed different, one culture is not better than the other. Apparently now, we are failing the immigrants because they are not integrating. In other words, western society was damned if they did and damned if they didn’t.
There is one common denominator between liberalism and the extreme left: both blame the west (but for different reasons).
A very thoughtful and helpful article. This solution is consistent with the science of human development. The need for a meaningful life, along with the need to be taken seriously, are pretty much universal. Focusing on these needs of all kids, and away from fear and vilification, provides a very useful perspective.
Your suggestion is part of the solution. Even if you look at the political counter measures they all skirt the extremist ideological threat. These extremist ideological have taken a religious hue as Zionism in Israel and Wahhabi in Saudi Arabia. Unless they are done with we shall continue having beheadings and military extra judicial executions
“But despite the massive outlays of cash, the effectiveness of such programs is difficult to quantify.”
No doubt their effectiveness is similar to that of the famed war on drugs. I know I was turned 360 degrees, on my youthful path toward the dark side, by a picture of a scrambled egg….
“We also look at the lives of people in the past who confronted situations of injustice without resorting to violence, like Gandhi, Martin Luther King”, WHOM BOTH WOUND UP MURDERED.
The likes of right wing lunatic talk radio host that control 90% of a captured in traffic audience will always say “It is fine if they protest peacefully with permits” (permits that make it so the protests can be placed where no one can see them, and maximum police surveillance and infiltration can be arranged).
They always mention the Gandhi and Martin Luther King type of leaders as that which the masses should utilize to find their answer in how to end a state of cruel oppression. They would not be able to keep their high paid propagandist jobs if they were to promote a solution such as the Founding Fathers utilized in George Washington and his courageous men along with help from French forces, whom figured out how to take care of harsh oppressors, and it was not with protest signs and turn the other cheek tactics.
Jonah: You know that vile book advocating the genocide of non-Jews? “Torat Ha’Melech,” by state-funded Israeli Rabbi Shapira?
Jonah, Israel is funding religious terrorism. Don’t you feel Judaism is immoral, as you claim Islam is? How can anyone practice a religion that is an increasingly enormous problem in Israel?
The bigot known as Jonah is on a roll.
Drink!
I’d start a drinking game for every time some Zionist here or on Twitter labeled me, Glenn Greenwald or other of us TI folk this new creation, to wit: “the regressive left.”
But we’d all spend our time here totally trashed, so perhaps not.
Well no Jonah, I brought up the insane, violent religiosity of the Zionist Jews squatting in the West Bank — the ones who are steadily taking over Israel — in direct response to your continual demand that Muslims abandon Islam. Including your disgustingly bigoted demand made here of Sufi Muslim.
Jonah, given your demand of Sufi Muslim, don’t you think Israel must immediately abandon its state religion of Orthodox Judaism? Indeed, given these evil-hearted religious Zionists who are so popular in Israel, don’t you agree that practicing Judaism is immoral?
Israel doesn’t have a state religion. It is a secular state for the Jewish people. A large percentage of Israelis identify as atheists.
I’m not a fan of organized religion. It does seem like a waste of time. I don’t relate to orthodox Jews at all, but they’re not doing anything. They don’t bother anyone so I don’t feel the need to speak out. Their effect on the world is very benign. I guess practicing any religions can be considered immoral insofar as it does legitimize ideas which are used by extremists to kill people. The degree of immorality, of course, is measured by the extent of the violence perpetrated by the extremists. Islam is without equal so I believe it is time to have some honest, hard conversations about what it means to practice this one particular faith.
This was the last 30 days of Muslim terror. It’s just different.
016.04.06 Syria Aleppo 18 70 A pregnant woman and three children are among over a dozen left dead after terrorists fire rockets into a Kurdish neighborhood.
2016.04.06 Niger Diffa 3 3 Three civilians are reduced to disparate parts by two Fedayeen suicide bombers.
2016.04.05 Afghanistan Parwan 6 22 Children are among six killed when a suicide bomber detonates near a school.
2016.04.04 Iraq Nasiriyah 14 27 A suicide bomber detonates at a restaurant frequented by Shiites, killing at least fourteen.
2016.04.02 Syria Raqqa 1 0 Caliphate members murder a man in front of his family and hang from a traffic light.
2016.04.01 Syria Palmyra 40 0 A mass grave is discovered containing women and children among other victims of the Islamic State.
2016.04.01 Thailand Raman 2 1 Runda Kumpulan Kecil Islamists spray a tea shop with bullets, killing two villagers.
2016.03.31 Somalia Galkayo 9 10 Ten people are torn limb from limb by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2016.03.30 Afghanistan Zabul 2 1 Suspected Taliban bombers exterminate two young children.
2016.03.29 Iraq Baghdad 7 23 A Shahid suicide bomber detonates amid a group of civilians, laying out seven.
2016.03.27 Pakistan Lahore 74 362 A massive suicide blast targeting Christian families celebrating Easter leaves over seventy dead, half of whom were children.
2016.03.26 Nigeria Tumpun 4 0 Boko Haram gunmen open fire on a group of villagers, killing four.
2016.03.26 Pakistan Lwargi 1 0 A polio worker is gunned down inside his clinic by Lashkar-e-Islam.
2016.03.25 Syria Jarablus 2 0 Two teenagers are chained, blindfolded and shot to death by a Sharia court.
2016.03.25 Yemen Aden 25 15 Three al-Qaeda suicide bombings leave twenty-five dead.
2016.03.25 Iraq Iskandariyah 41 105 Forty-one innocents are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber at a soccer game.
2016.03.25 Libya Zaria 2 0 A suspected ISIS bomb blast takes out a woman and her infant son.
2016.03.24 Scotland Glasgow 1 0 An Ahmadi minority is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim over his religious beliefs.
2016.03.24 Pakistan Hayatabad 1 0 A university professor is shot to death by fundamentalists.
2016.03.24 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 2 0 Muslim extremists gun down two police officers.
2016.03.24 Afghanistan Arghandab 7 0 Three Taliban in police uniform sprays seven sleeping officers with machine-gun fire.
2016.03.23 Syria Foua 2 3 Ahrar al-Sham snipers pick off two civilians.
2016.03.23 Iraq Baghdad 2 6 Two people outside a shop are sent to the hereafter by Jihadi bombers.
2016.03.23 Iraq Zkhaikha 6 13 A suicide car bomber lays out a half-dozen Iraqis.
2016.03.22 Bangladesh Kurigram 1 0 A Christian convert is stabbed to death by Religion of Peace proponents.
2016.03.22 Belgium Brussels 14 92 Fourteen people are murdered when two suicide bombers detonate nail-packed explosives at crowded airline counters.
2016.03.22 Belgium Brussels 21 130 A Religion of Peace suicide blast on a subway train incinerates twenty-one commuters.
2016.03.22 Iraq Tarmiya 3 7 A Mujahid bomb blast claims three lives.
2016.03.21 Somalia Laantu Buur 6 0 Six local soldiers are ambushed and killed by an Islamist group.
2016.03.21 Iraq al-Baghdadi 6 9 An ISIS attack that began with five suicide bombings manages to kill six Iraqis.
2016.03.21 Iraq Makhmour 2 0 Two others are taken out by a series of suicide bombers.
2016.03.21 Iraq Anbar 30 0 A British suicide bomber is said to be responsible for a blast that kills thirty Iraqis.
2016.03.21 Yemen Taiz 1 3 Shiite snipers fire on a group of journalists, bringing down one.
2016.03.21 Egypt Cairo 4 0 Four Bible translators for Wycliffe are brutally slain in their office at an undisclosed location in the Middle East.
2016.03.20 Iraq Haqlaniyah 24 12 A wave of Shahid suicide bombers kill two dozen Iraqis.
2016.03.19 Turkey Istanbul 4 39 An ISIS suicide bomber murders four people along a city street, including two American tourists.
2016.03.19 Iraq Mosul 70 0 A mass grave is discovered containing the remains of seventy female Yazidi victims of ISIS torture and execution.
2016.03.19 Somalia Afmadhow 2 5 An al-Shabaab attack leaves two others dead.
2016.03.19 Egypt al-Arish 15 0 ISIS claims to have detonated a suicide car bomb that leaves fifteen others dead.
2016.03.19 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 Two more children die from the effects of an ISIS mustard gas attack.
2016.03.18 Syria Aleppo 1 6 A Sunni rocket sends a woman to the morgue.
2016.03.18 Afghanistan Seori Tapi 2 1 A Taliban landmine takes out two people, including a child.
2016.03.18 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A gentleman’s head is removed by the Islamic State.
2016.03.18 Syria Aleppo 2 3 Two children, a boy and a girl, are reduced to pulp by a series of Sunni rockets on their neighborhood.
2016.03.18 Pakistan Sherabad 2 0 A young couple is shot to death by a conservative family member on suspicion of adultery.
2016.03.18 Nigeria Bori 5 3 A young girl is among five villagers murdered by Boko Haram.
2016.03.17 Philippines Sarangani 1 0 A 43-year-old man is beheaded by a pro-caliphate group.
2016.03.17 Egypt Rafah 5 10 Five are killed when religious extremists attack a local military base.
2016.03.17 Iraq Hamidat 1 0 Radicals put a rival imam against a wall and shoot him to death.
2016.03.17 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 53-year-old guard at a school is shot to death by Muslim militants.
2016.03.17 Iraq Fallujah 6 0 Six men are executed in barbaric fashion by the Islamic State, including one whose head is blown off with explosives.
2016.03.17 Pakistan Smagal 4 0 A woman and her child are among four souls obliterated by a suicide bomber.
2016.03.17 Niger Dolbel 3 3 Three guards at a market are shot to death point blank by Jihadis.
2016.03.17 Niger Diffa 1 2 Four suicide bombers manage to kill one other person.
2016.03.16 Pakistan Peshawar 15 30 Fifteen people are torn to shreds when Lashkar-e-Islam bomb a bus carrying commuters.
2016.03.16 Nigeria Maiduguri 18 35 Two female suicide bombers slaughter two dozen worshippers at a rival mosque.
2016.03.15 Iraq Qwar 9 17 An ISIS chlorine gas attack kills nine Kurds.
2016.03.15 Afghanistan Hajiabad 4 0 Women and children are among four civilians exterminated by Taliban bombers.
2016.03.15 Philippines Patikul 2 0 Abu Sayyaf members ambush and kill two local soldiers.
2016.03.15 Afghanistan Laghman 1 1 Sharia state proponents ambush and kill an off-duty police officer.
2016.03.15 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Suspected terrorists shoot a young woman twice in the head at a market.
2016.03.14 Egypt al-Arish 2 0 Two Egyptians are picked off by fundamentalist snipers.
2016.03.14 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 A woman is shot to death by the Taliban.
2016.03.14 Nigeria Chul 3 7 Three civilians are taken out by a Boko Haram bomb blast.
2016.03.14 Nigeria Huyum 1 1 Islamic gunmen kill a woman and shoot a child in the leg.
2016.03.14 Iraq Zankurah 22 16 Twenty-two Iraqis are killed during an assault by the Islamic State.
2016.03.14 Canada Toronto, ON 0 2 A man stabs two soldiers at a recruiting center, saying that he was just following Allah’s instructions.
2016.03.14 Syria Busayrah 1 0 A young man is shot in the head for ‘mocking religion’.
2016.03.14 Bangladesh Jhenaidah 1 0 Radical Muslims assassinate a ‘polytheist apostate’ (i.e. Shia cleric).
2016.03.14 Iraq Ramadi 25 20 ISIS suicide bombers massacre over two dozen in attacks on two villages.
2016.03.14 Iraq Mosul 6 0 Six young people are rounded up and executed by the caliphate.
2016.03.13 Afghanistan Yengi Qala 2 0 A young couple is murdered over suspected sexual activity.
2016.03.13 Ivory Coast Bassam 18 17 al-Qaeda gunmen assault a hotel and murder anyone refusing to praise Allah with them. The eighteen killed include a 5-year-old Christian who was cut down while praying.
2016.03.13 Iraq Tal Kasab 8 22 Suicide bomb attacks leave eight dead.
2016.03.13 Iraq Sinjar 7 11 ISIS pour shells into a Yazidi village, killing seven residents.
2016.03.12 Iraq Mahmoudiyah 2 7 Mujahid bombers kill two patrons at a market.
2016.03.12 Iraq Munsiyah 7 0 Three women are among seven people murdered in their home by sectarian militia.
2016.03.12 Afghanistan Khanashin 1 3 A child is disassembled by Taliban bombers.
2016.03.11 Pakistan Kohistan 2 0 A couple is shot to death for ‘illicit relations’.
2016.03.11 Iraq Sheikhan 11 2 Two ISIS rockets claim the lives of eleven Iraqis.
2016.03.11 Iraq Sinjar 5 3 Five Kurds are laid out by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2016.03.11 Ingushetia Nazran 0 4 ‘Problems in the religious sphere’ result in a car bomb blast outside a mosque.
2016.03.10 Nigeria Tarka 3 0 Fulani mercenaries kill three villagers and burn their homes.
2016.03.10 Syria Wilayat al-Khayr 1 0 A man is forced by ISIS to climb a radio tower, from which he is shot off.
2016.03.10 Syria Wilayat al-Khayr 2 0 The Islamic State executes two terrified men by blowing them up.
2016.03.10 Libya Misrata 3 0 Three police are killed when ISIS members attack a checkpoint.
2016.03.10 Iraq Mosul 3 0 Three Kurds are beheaded by caliphate members.
2016.03.10 Syria Deir Ezzor 2 0 A poet and his son are murdered by the Islamic State.
2016.03.09 Iraq Taza 1 1500 A 3-year-old girl dies from an ISIS chemical attack that left hundreds injured.
2016.03.09 Nigeria Benue 8 0 Fulani mercenaries invade four villages in the middle of the night, shooting at least eight residents to death.
2016.03.09 Afghanistan Gereshk 4 30 A Taliban suicide assault on a government building leaves four guards dead.
2016.03.09 Somalia Mogadishu 4 2 Four people bleed out following a suicide car bombing outside a café.
2016.03.09 Iraq Husseiniya 1 6 Terrorists place a bomb under a bus that kills a passenger.
2016.03.09 Thailand Narathiwat 2 3 Muslim terrorists murder two members of a guard patrol for teachers.
2016.03.08 Uruguay Paysandu 1 0 A Jewish man is stabbed to death by a Muslim convert ‘following Allah’s order’…
2016.03.08 Iraq al-Hadar 4 0 Four sex slaves are executed for trying to escape captivity in the caliphate.
2016.03.08 Turkey Kilis 2 1 A 4-year-old and his mother die when Sunni extremists hit their car with a rocket.
2016.03.08 Israel Jaffa 1 15 Palestinians stab an American tourist to death.
2016.03.08 Afghanistan Maiwand 2 0 Two men clearing landmines are executed by suspected fundamentalists.
2016.03.08 Syria Aleppo 1 0 Devout Muslims implement the ‘Rule of Allah’ by shooting an ‘apostate’ in the head.
2016.03.08 Thailand Tak Bai 1 0 A Muslim ‘insurgent’ walks up to a man in a crowd and fires a bullet into the back of his head.
2016.03.08 Iraq Fallujah 50 0 Fifty civilians are executed by the Islamic State.
2016.03.08 Iraq Baghdad 3 7 Three people are left dead following a Mujahideen bombing.
2016.03.08 Thailand Si Sakhon 1 0 A man on a motorcycle is ambushed and killed by Muslim terrorists.
That’s just the last 30 days!!!!
Something needs to be done. This cannot fucking continue
Yes, something must be done, but it’s not calling the religion of Islam responsible for it, banning it, and forcing the Muslims to convert to another religion or at least renounce their paths, as you suggest.
There are many factors, other than religion, that cause a person to commit violence. Those reasons also need to be examined.
Thousands of Americans are killed in gun violence every year, but we don’t ask that America should cease to exist. We don’t even try to ban the guns.
So Jonah is just being silly and provocative. He’s not thinking straight, and is being irrational and juvenile in his approach.
The readership here is too sophisticated for that.
Those aren’t acts of violence. Religion is not incidental to a suicide bombing. I’m not listing assaults and batteries on Street corners in Damascus. It is a list of religiously inspired terror attacks. Your arguments are horrific.
I would never advocate compulsion of any sort. Everyone has the right to believe what they want. Personal liberty is everything to me. I’m just pointing out trends.
And, yes, the religion of Islam is responsible for this unacceptable level of violence. That list I posted should give everyone pause. Even if other factors play a role, this violence wouldn’t occur “but for” Islam. You cannot spin it any other way.
It’s a list of terrorist attacks in which the perpetrators organize around a particular version of a particular religion. Now, and throughout history, others have organized enormous campaigns of violence around other religions or ideologies. In India right now, they’re doing it in the name of Hinduism.
In the 20th century, and through today, millions were slaughtered in the name of nationalism.
You continue to ignore the reality that Islam is not a monolithic religion.
In reality, there is no Islam. There are several islams.
The islam of the Sufis is not the same as the islam of Daesh, and other similar groups.
The islam of ordinary Muslims is not the same as the islam of Boko Haram and other groups, which we consider to be cancerous tumors.
When you use the word, Islam, and lash out against it, the truth of the matter is that it is the Islam as YOU understand and define it.
Others understand and define it differently.
Nevertheless, there’s a very easy way to determine if a human action is Islamic or not. And, it is to judge it by Islam’s primary source, the Quran, which is the only source that claims to have been inspired by the Highest Consciousness, and sets Islam’s outline/framework.
If an action is sanctioned by the Quran and fits within its framework, it is Islamic. If it goes against the Quran, it is not.
But the Quran needs to be examined within its own textual context as well as within its historical context, which is often clear from the very text of the Quran.
Take one action, for example, that is often cited as “Islamic”: Terrorism.
Is it really an “Islamic” action?
There’s plenty of evidence from the Quran that it is not.
But here’s a non-Muslim scholar, Juan Cole, showing how un-Islamic terrorism is:
“Top Ten Ways Islamic Law forbids Terrorism”, at http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html
So, if YOU think that the violence committed by certain individuals is “Islamic”, you’ll have to prove it from Islam’s Source Book, the Quran, and not from the actions of people, for, the Muslims act in very diverse ways. Some carry out bad to evil acts, most carry out fair to good to excellent actions.
So why not cite the fair to good to excellent acts by the Muslims and say: This is Islam! ?
Why cite the bad to evil acts and suggest that they are Islamic!?
I know why.
Because that’s what reflects your inner state!
You are a bona fide anti-Islam. So you close your eyes to the fair to good to excellent acts carried out by the Muslims and do not consider those acts to be Islamic. You only look at the bad to evil acts by the Muslims and classify them as Islamic.
http://www.zahrapublications.com
Yes. It does. In Israel, Orthodox Judaism controls family law, and that the Orthodox rabbinate is state-funded; only Orthodox rabbis may legally marry Jews.
I repeat, and in light of the heinous, other violence, genocidal statements based on religion, the increasingly large numbers of these Orthodox Jews in Israel: Jonah, given your demand of Sufi Muslim, don’t you think Israel must immediately abandon its state religion of Orthodox Judaism? Indeed, given these evil-hearted religious Zionists who are so popular in Israel, don’t you agree that practicing Judaism is immoral?
Why will you not answer those questions?
The less influence the orthodox rabbinate have over secular affairs the better the country will be. I agree with you.
I suppose the same principle in some respect would apply. However, let’s keep perspective here. It’s all about the numbers. Numbers matter, My opinions on things are predicated on data and stats. So I accept your argument, but then modulate my opinion on the immorality of Judaism in accordance with the data. As such, practicing Judaism remains a fairly benign activity. If violence spirals out of control, every jew may need to re-evaluate what it is they are following and if they are directly or indirectly contributing to a larger problem of extremist violence. We are not at that point with Judaism. The writings of a few religious scholars has obviously not led to widespread violence. I do not believe the same can be said about Islam. The level of terror is out of control. It is time for some serious introspection.
Yes it has! For god’s sake, last year some of these religious fiends burned a family of four, two of them to death; one was a baby. The surviving four-year-old is badly burned and terrified these religious Zionist will kill his grandfather, too. Many of these foul people are brewed in America, in Jewish religious communities. The violence they commit is never-ending, especially in the West Bank.
Yuval Diskin, the former director of Shine Bet, is very much afraid these rabid practitioners of Judaism are taking over his country, as they’ve taken over the West Bank. He predicts they may well destroy Israel and most emphatically would disagree with you that “we are not at that point with Judaism.” (I’ve linked many times to his article on this, but will do so again upon request.)
So, Jonah, why are you not calling for all Jews to abandon the practice of Judaism? It’s replete with terrorism, and may destroy Israel. So, how is it moral for ANY Jew to practice that faith?
This game of listing violent acts committed by those who call themselves Muslims is silly and doesn’t prove that these acts are Islamic.
For an act to be Islamic, it must fit the Quranic framework.
There are countless examples of Muslims doing a lot of good works.
When a person lists only the bad acts and ignores the good ones to show that the religion itself is fundamentally evil, he is merely reflecting his own self, which doesn’t want to see anything good the Muslims do.
what is your point???? Every religion has good people. Stop straw manning me. I know there are over a billion good Muslims. I get it. Yet one religion is responsible for well over 95% of global terror? Why do you think that is? That is what I’m focused. I’m interested in why only one religion in the 21st century drives some of its followers to commit senseless acts of violence in the name of their imaginary friend.
Doubtful. 1. There are 1.6 billion Muslims, so they are likely to be well-represented in the absolute numbers. 2. You do not define “terrorism” and indicate how we are to conclude all of this 95% belong under that rubric, and 3. Many of the grievances are political, fought under the banner of religion.
You are “interested” in a false claim. There is not “only one,” In India it’s fascist Hindus. In the U.S. it’s Christians bombing abortion clinics and assassinating abortionists. In Israel, especially in the West Bank, it’s Orthodox Jews.
You’re correct to question my number. It’s actually closer to 99%. Mona, you are an embarrassment to Glenn, There is no equivalent. Please refer back to the list I posted
I am not interested in statistics or definition of terrorism. But your statistics seem to be overblown and your definition of terrorism is self-serving.
Violence is violence is violence. No matter its type and who carries it out.
Violence is the result of human beings succumbing to the lower self, which reflects qualities such as hatred, vengeance, anger, self-pride, doing unto others what one doesn’t want done unto one, lack of compassion, forgiveness and empathy, selfishness, desire for control, power, and resources, etc.
A person uses religion to define us vs them, and to make their bad acts seem noble to them.
So why not consider the good actions of good Muslims as Islamic?
I use the Quran as The Criterion (which is one of Quran’s names) to determine if an action is Islamic or not.
The Quran is Islam’s primary source and is the most authentic source of Islam. So it makes sense to use it as the Criterion.
What criterion do you use to determine if an action is Islamic?
You keep listing the bad acts of some Muslims and classify them as Islamic, completely ignoring that many, many, many Muslims (scholars and non-scholars alike) have denounced them and do not consider them to be Islamic.
Do their/our voices don’t count?
Does their/our Islam not matter?
Are we the ones who have misinterpreted our Islam?
If so, produce your evidence from Islam’s source book, the Quran.
Here’s just one 600+ page fatwa against terrorism. There are many other denunciations by the Muslims and scholarly discourses against terrorism and other bad actions that some Muslims carry out.
http://www.minhajbooks.com/images-books/Edict-Terrorism-Fitna-Khawarij/Edict-Terrorism-Fitna-Khawarij_1.pdf
A reasonable person will read this long fatwa objectively and thoroughly and reflect upon it.
An unreasonable person will not bother to read it, let alone reflect upon it.
Thanks for the interesting article Murtaza.
The story about the Australian young man caught my eye; as I myself am a a youth worker here in Australia, for some years now. While I have not had any direct experience in ‘de-radicalising’ young people, I’ve come across countless examples of very angry young people ( and not just young men), whom without care and guidance would have continued violent anti-social behaviour. The drivers of these behaviours are 99.99% of the time the ones all decaying societies are facing – inequality, alienation, no meaningful engagement opportunities, homelessness, neglect from punitive state systems, and so on: hardly ever innate malice.
Statistically speaking, I’m sure it could be demonstrated that there are so few ‘radicalised’ young people who commit ‘terrorism’ here or join syndicates abroad. Yes, we like other relatively well off countries have had some incidents, which our mostly hateful bigoted media inflames completely out of proportion, or worse, when it become part of some political justification. Because of that, we’ve had creeping curtailment of liberties and a deplorable policy and culture against non-white and non-citizen persons. Inhuman. And specifically, we have the state looming over broken and misguided young people. Some of these sagas result in incidents, shootings and death.
No amount of rhetoric can convince me that we couldn’t have done better. We can do better. You do it via the heart – whether it be though the facilitation of youth work, family support, or building communities. Time and again, if I see that young people believe they have no future, then any type of destruction is possible. This isn’t their fault. It’s not their fault they were born into the unfairly punishing circumstances they are in, even if their parents have some version of ‘middle class wealth’ – alienation can happen to anyone and it a core social problem, the vacuousness of societies of control. This malaise is primarily addressed with the heart, not counter-brainwashing. You humanely connect to people in order to bring peace, not conduct surveillance, presume guilt, persecute, prejudge. Not with propaganda.
We only have to look at the stories here of David Hicks and Mamdouh Habib and know that our power class have learned nothing. And those tragedies are set to repeat, only with young people.
I’ve seen lives turned around in the most impossible circumstances. Real empathy works. Young people aspire and work hard to engage, only when they know someone gives a damn. I’m sure it can be done for most wayward young people that are vulnerable to violent extremism. Violent rebel organisations win over young because that’s the only place left that they could find any semblance of care. It doesn’t have to be overseas terrorists, I’d argue it’s more likely to be gangs and dealers. If society is serious about addressing extremism, then it has to get a whole lot more serious about care. Care when it matters.
For those who find this line of thinking and feeling abhorrent, well you have a right to disagree. You’re entitled to believe that your entitlement and elite status waives any obligation to responsibility, and that justifies a punitive contempt for people and situation you refuse to understand. That’s fine, you choose that. Let your point of view spill forth, filling our ears endlessly. We tolerate it, and we bloody get on with the real work of actually helping people.
Well said, thank you.
The elephant in the room is the Islamic scripture that justifies and allows violence against non-Muslims in “defense” of Islam. Obviously western policy is one of the main motivating factors in the “anger” displayed by Muslim “terrorists”, but it’s the Quran and Hadith that actually drives them to the level of violence we are seeing.
Countless non-Muslim nations and peoples have been wronged by the U.S. or western foreign policy far more than any Muslim nations have. And yet you don’t see anything near the level of terrorism from those communities aimed towards western civilians like you do from Islamists, even those there is plenty of anger and hostility.
Of course, many of the “terrorists” (potential or otherwise) angered by western foreign policy are the same kind of people who call for violence over cartoons. I’ve always said, when those with Islamist sympathies start agreeing with western foreign policy decisions, then I will be truly worried.
The real problem is how countless numbers of Muslims think they are justified in attacking (“defending Islam against”) western/Christian/Zionist/etc. forces because of perceived injustice happening to OTHERS in which they themselves are completely unaffected. Most “terrorists” have no link to those actually being harmed by the west outside of the fact they share the same religion as the victims.
Could you imagine if random Christians (or other non-Muslims) from across the world started attacking innocent Muslims on the same scale as Islamist terrorists because of the perceived oppression they see Christians suffering under Sharia and certain Islamic societies (which is just as bad, if not far worse, than anything the west has done)? I can. If people keep apologizing for Islamist violence and ignoring the real “elephant in the room”, I think it will become inevitable.
It depends on the time frame. Say, before the State of Israel was founded. Zionist terrorists then murdered all kinds of people, and Margaret Truman reported that they sent her father a letter bomb at the White House. As I co-authored elsewhere:
Islamic sources need to be interpreted in the following manner:
1. Examine the less authentic sources in light of the more authentic sources, not the other way around.
The most authentic source is the Quran, then the Prophetic living model, then Hadith, then the Prophet’s biography, and then other sources.
Not the other way around.
When the Muslims rely on less authentic sources and interpret the Quran in light of them, they cause trouble.
There are many things in the secondary sources that can be rejected when examined in light of Islam’s primary source, the Quran.
Original Islam was politicized and many things were added to the secondary sources for political gains, and even certain Quranic words and terms were given new meanings that were not given to them originally.
2. Examine the Quran within its textual and historical context. It’s the Quran that sets Islam’s framework, and anything that doesn’t fit that framework needs to be rejected.
3. Examine those parts of the secondary sources that fit the Quranic framework within their textual and historical context as well.
4. It must be realized that many things in the Quran and other sources were very much influenced by the Arabic Semitic culture of the day. When interpreting them, this fact must be taken into consideration. So, there are things that cannot be applied literally today.
The fact is that Christians are attacking random Muslims. Not domestically but through supporting the U.S. wars that slaughter foreign Muslims.
War has a placating effect on hate crimes against Muslims domestically. A lot of Christians want to carpet bomb and nuke the Middle East. Many Christians get off by watching US or Russia bombing ISIS targets.
Mr. Hussain
“……But for those who are at risk for radicalization, political events are a prime driver. “We shoot ourselves in the foot when we try and look for single root causes for social phenomena like this, but the elephant in the room is always foreign policy. Nobody wants to address it, though in my experience, its the No. 1 reason that young people get angry,” Aziz says. “Muslim communities have existed in Western countries for a very long time, but the issue of homegrown terrorism only arose over the past decade with the Iraq War and this period of extended conflict in the Middle East.”…..”
This was a good story until I reached the Intercept punch line (above). This is just more likely due to (probable) internet propaganda and it’s the primary reason that Awlaki was assassinated by the US government. Just a cursory search on the internet would have located the atrocities committed by ISIS against mostly Muslims in Iraq and Syria – primarily – to gain power in an Islamic state (these are the “political events” that matter to ISIS leadership).
As a young Muslim, you have some serious mental problems if you want to join a terrorist organization to burn pilots to death, execute civilians and soldiers, and attempt to commit genocide against a minority ethnic population.
“Hey Dad. I want to slit someone’s throat in Syria because I disagree with our foreign policies”
“Nice to have goals son”.
Boko Haram has a different method they use to propagandize young girls. They kidnap and rape the girls and then teach them to become suicide bombers always with the threat of execution just a misstep away (state operated New York Times, 4-7-2016).
“……Of all the many horrors of Boko Haram’s rampage across West Africa — the attacks on mosques, churches and schools; the mass killings of civilians; the entire villages left in ashes after militants tear through — one of the most baffling has been its ability to turn captured women and girls into killers……..Boko Haram, one of the world’s deadliest extremist groups, has used at least 105 women and girls in suicide attacks since June 2014…..according to The Long War Journal……..Since then, women and girls, often with bombs hidden in baskets or under their clothes, have killed hundreds of people in attacks on fish and vegetable markets, schools, a river dock and even camps for people who have fled their homes to escape the violence……“This isn’t something you can defeat or eradicate outright,” said Issa Tchiroma Bakary, the minister of communications in Cameroon, where 22 female suicide bombers were identified since the start of this year. “You don’t know who is who. When you see a young girl moving toward you, you don’t know if she’s hiding a bomb.”…..”
No doubt a lot of children are injured and killed by military personnel fearing the child is carrying a suicide vest.
Mr. Hussain is a religious conservative who gets annoyed at secular arguments against his religion, and subsequently covers it his opposition in a layer of college-freshmen grade social justice rhetoric.
Muslims are murdering Christians horrendously in Pakistan, the Middle East, North Africa and Nigeria. You don’t see Christians taking up arms to avenge them as you see Jihadis killing for the ‘ummah’. The doctrines of Jihad and the evils of Islamism are the problem.
You and Jonah remind me of an episode of All in the Family in which Archie tells Lionel not to judge a whole group from the actions of a few, which Lionel then repeats, to the annoyance of Archie.
He said the doctrines of Jihad, not all Muslims. Enough with your tiresome straw man arguments. The religion is fundamentally problematic. The influence these doctrines have on individuals manifests on a spectrum ranging from people like you to Osama Bin Laden. However, there is connective tissue between all those on the spectrum
The doctrine of Jihad is not what you and some Muslims think, and what has been popularized in the media.
See http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/vol-9-no-1/spiritual-significance-jihad-seyyed-hossein-nasr/spiritual-significance-jihad
The Spiritual Significance of Jihad
Excerpt:
And those who perform jihad for Us, We shall certainly guide them in Our ways, and God is surely with the doers of good. (Quran 39:69)
You have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad. (Hadith)
The Arabic term jihad, usually translated into European languages as holy war, more on the basis of its juridical usage in Islam rather than on its much more universal meaning in the Quran and Hadith, is derived from the root /jhd/ whose primary meaning is to strive or to exert oneself.
Its translation into holy war combined with the erroneous notion of Islam prevalent in the West as the ‘religion of the sword’ has helped to eclipse its inner and spiritual significance and to distort its connotation.
Nor has the appearance upon the stage of history during the past century and especially during the past few years of an array of movements within the Islamic world often contending or even imposing each other and using the word jihad or one of its derivative forms helped to make known the full import of its traditional meaning which alone is of concern to us here.
Instead recent distortions and even total reversal of the meaning of jihadas understood over the ages by Muslims have made it more difficult than ever before to gain insight into this key religious and spiritual concept.
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A sincere seeker of knowledge will benefit from the whole article at the above link.
Unspeakable evil. There is nothing like this in the world.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/world/africa/boko-haram-suicide-bombers.html?_r=0
Well, also this is in the world: How to Kill Goyim and Influence People: Israeli Rabbis Defend Book’s Shocking Defense of Killing Non-Jews.
That’s a story on Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, who has stated that Israel should kill all Palestinians 13 and over, and who recently wrote a book, Torat Ha’Melech, very popular in significant parts of Israel. It endorses genocide of non-Jews, among other things.
Just imagine if such rancid religionists were as populous as Muslims, eh?
That would be awful. Thankfully they are not. But even when you adjust the figures for population discrepancies, there’s still an astronomic difference in rates of violence. Stop deflecting. Even if another religion was as dangerous, it wouldn’t excuse manipulating mentally ill women to strap on a suicide vest and kill scores of people. I really don’t see the point of your rebuttal
Doubtful. You offer no support for that assertion, and it is quite doubtful. These far-right religious Jews have very large families and are overtaking the Jewish population in Israel, and pulling it ever-further right. They’ve turned the West Bank into a Wild West of Zionist terrorism.
Another generation or so, and no sane world will want Israel to be powerful. Those genocidal religious nuts will be running the place. (Yes, I can cite reputable sources, including Israelis, predicting and lamenting this. Ask me.)
Only Mona brings up the West Bank in response to suicide bombings in Nigeria. You are the queen of false equivalences and a caricature of the regressive left
Acts are outer reflections of a person’s inner state.
When the self reflects the lower qualities of hatred, self-pride, selfishness, vengeance, anger, ignorance, injustice, doing to others what one doesn’t want done unto one, etc, in the extreme, it becomes easier for one to carry out evil acts, regardless of one’s religious or non religious path.
The remedy is to turn the self away from the darkness of the lower consciousness and turn it towards the light of the higher consciousness.
One needs to find a path, religious or non religious, that is suitable for one that will help one to groom one’s self so that it reflects the higher.
People are just plain crazy, and there are many lunatics who use religion as a pretext to act upon their criminal acts, but they are nothing more than psychos, and I doubt GOD would support any religion on earth – if such an entity existed.
All religious textbooks were written by men. They were written at a time when there was no such thing as human rights, when decency wasn’t a word, and when the world was very untamed. Throughout time, the 10 commandments appeared as a pretty decent guide to follow if you wanted to be a good person, and to this day it’s a good guide for humans.
I have one problem. There is zero proof, no evidence, not even a remote probability hell exists, and it was various men who created and promoted the concept of hell.
The catch with most religions is that unless you accept the prophet as the true one, you are destined for hell. So now we have billions of people who trust textbooks which are wrought with hate, lies and most of all, were all written by the hands of mortal men.
Mortal men: cannot be trusted, they lie, they will cheat, steal, murder and rape. And most men who commit these atrocities believe in these “holy” texts.
Some of these text books promise an erotic love fest after death with countless virgins, and an everlasting binge with drink and whatever else. Some promise eternity and salvation.
But with the absence of HELL, all faiths are deemed irrelevant.
You are better off listening to Anthony Robbins if you want to live this ONE LIFE you have been granted if you want to achieve personal success – if that is love, happiness, wealth or all of these.
You do not need religion. Religion seems to be killing people and dividing nations, so it’s obviously NO good.
Paradise and hell are metaphors for one’s inner state.
They are the effects on the heart of the self either reflecting the higher or the lower qualities that I have listed often.
There are substantial branches of Christianity called “no-hellers”, universalists, and annihilationists, who believe that there is no lasting torment. Christianity is supposed to be about a call to a new and better world, not the abject fear of a worse one. Hell itself is a word notably absent from the Bible, based more on pagan myth. Now that is not to say that there is not a use for the fires of Hell, but I think they are better viewed as the cleansing waters of Lethe. When a Creator makes a whole new heaven and earth, when Universe version N is replaced by version N+1, yeah, stuff gets deleted. No, we didn’t do all those wicked things we did. The pain for those on whom they were done also goes away. Only the virtue earned remains.
Imagine a woman has her son ripped from her arms by the Nazis, and spends twenty years hoping, praying, crying, searching, wishing … she is miserable. In Heaven there is no misery, there are no Nazis – those guys did something else. Maybe their characters, their life stories, get rewritten, maybe they get combined, it’s all open for revision. I don’t much doubt my own character was stitched together from a few different people in some previous version, and I doubt I merit better than that the next. But one thing I believe, is that that woman – if somehow by some miracle, she found her son after twenty years, the joy she would feel – that is the joy she would feel with him in the next version of the universe, every time she was with him, not because she suffered there, but simply as a law of nature. But it is a joy she earned, a joy she chose, a joy she created, in essence, out of her love; it is not just Divine Dope laid on her to make her lie back and be happy, it’s something meaningful.
there is no Calgary in Ontario.. maybe you meant Calgary in Alberta
Calgary is about 3000 km from Ontario.
If only terrorists had better parents there would be no terrorists? The solution is to get parents to talk to their kids before they get radicalized?
I thought family values was a Ted Cruz-like concept, not one that would be publicized here. Apparently I’m wrong!
Is the author’s premise that the solution be increased access to counseling?
What the writer is saying , is that the outreach should be done by people within the community, who are accessible to the youth, and not by opportunists who are cashing in on government funds , by running CVE programs methods that don’t really promote personal contact.
Yes. How do the young envisage the social contract with Plato, Hobbs and Rousseau talked about? Interesting article here. https://jackblueblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/07/the-new-social-contract/
These one-to-one conversations make sense in a human sense, but I wouldn’t expect miracles. Like viruses that enter via the endosomal route, I expect that scaling up this program means that a few students and mentors will soon be rapping about jihad right in the belly of the beast. And of course with terrorists, a few is all it takes.
There is no real substitute for a more systemic solution. That includes learning, sharing, and discovering better religious beliefs that are not tainted with the awful historical record of Muhammad’s misdeeds. It also includes applying such noble beliefs on our own side, to end the arrogance of America’s fraudulent and careless military interventions. When two peoples meet on a battlefield, the same demon harvests from each side. In the meanwhile, well … we should be in the frame of mind to expect ongoing casualties, and not to give up every principle to reduce them, because death is inevitable. The terrorists will keep striking, and we just need to keep going on the way we were anyway.
“…awful historical record of Muhammad’s misdeeds.”
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The way you see it.
Others see it differently.
Well it’s all sufficiently ambiguous that people are committing acts of mass murder all over the world. This ambiguity necessitates authoritative clarifications of disputed scripture or historic levels of apostasy. As long as uncertainty persists, the modern world will be unable to co-exist with Islam as a major world religion. Infidels have rights too. Maintaining a belief system that imperils the lives of billions so a minority of people can fulfill some spiritual void is immoral.
You, Jonah, are a rabid Zionist and Islamophobic bigot. (The two are almost always found together.)
The only reasons Jewish extremists are not committing global violence, based on their religious texts, is that Jews are a small fraction of the world population. Please, Jonah, ask me to document genocidal and vile Jewish religious extremism. Please, please ask me to do that.
Jonah,
You can be so amateurish and childish, and your comments about Islam lack so much depth, balance and sophistication, that if you are the face of the anti-Islam forces, then Islam has nothing to fear, and will live to see another day.
Of course Islam has nothing to fear. If I spoke this honestly and freely about it in many countries across the world, I would be killed like the secular bloggers who are hacked to death with alarming regularity in Bangladesh. Islam cannot be defeated because it’s always willing to sink to unspeakable levels to protect the faith. There’s nothing it won’t do to “avenge the prophet”
The evil acts by some Muslims you point out are already considered evil by majority of Muslims.
Your posts are simply a reflection of your own inner state. They simply tell us about you.
What do they tell you?
Your comments tell me that you are delusional if you think that you are somehow exposing the realities of Islam.
You are simply exposing your own self.
We Muslims know the difference between good and bad. Many, many of us are carrying out good to excellent deeds every single day.
That is a literal absurdity. The abstraction known as “Islam” doesn’t act to do anything, including “to avenge the Prophet.” Some Muslims, and especially those in theocratic hellish countries like that good friend of Israel and the United States — Saudi Arabia — commit heinous acts claiming to be motivated by the Islamic faith.
Not so long ago, Roman Catholics, in the name of their God and Church, tortured and slaughtered tens of thousands of women as “witches.” A Catholic man, with the endorsement of the Pope, led a torture regime in Spain to root out heretics. They’d all cite the Bible, papal encyclicals, and the writings of saints to justify this barbarism.
These days, Catholics run hospitals and work to liberate the poor in Latin America, and also here in the U.S. (A few also bomb abortion clinics and murder abortionists.) They minister to those in prison and work with the terminally ill.
Religions, like all human ideas, evolve, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. Tyrants throughout history have glommed on to various religions to commit tyranny in the name of The True Faith. Religion is a human artifact, subject to all the good and bad that humans do.
I’m going by things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad . The man is simply not worth your worship. Now that said, I recognize that there are many, many good Muslims, because good people have tried to make the best out of their religious traditions. There are out and out saints among the Syrian refugees who refused to kill people even at the cost of being mutilated themselves. But the religion still rests on a rotten foundation, and I think that foundation is to blame when some people start acting the way Muhammad did. (It should be noted that Judaism contains many similarly horrific accounts … on the other hand, who did Jesus kill? Or Laozi? Or Nanak, I think. Pick your girlfriend, the neighbor’s kid next door, the man who sweeps your office, the homeless guy out in the parking lot, or a prisoner on Death Row… any of them is better qualified to be your prophet and messiah than Muhammad.)
Just because there’s that list on Wiki doesn’t mean much in terms of evaluating these accounts for authenticity, understanding them completely, and determining how they are to be applied and acted on by the Muslims.
Elsewhere in this thread, I have given a short summary of how I think the sources of Islam need to be examined, and have pointed out that the original Islam was politicized and many unauthentic things were added to the secondary sources of Islam for political gains, and even certain key words and terms of the Primary source, the Quran, were twisted and distorted.
The Sufi movement began, in large part, to combat these distortions and politicization of the original Islam, and the Sufi orders have passed the inner knowledge of the original Islam from one generation to the next up to today through unbroken chains of initiation and other methods.
“But the religion still rests on a rotten foundation, and I think that foundation is to blame when some people start acting the way Muhammad did…”
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The foundation of Islam and the Muhammadi Way is the Quran, which sets Islam’s parameters and is the most authentic source of Islam.
When Muslims’ actions are examined in light of the Quran, we can easily determine if they fit its framework or not.
If they don’t, I have no hesitation in declaring them un-Islamic.
Perhaps, your use of the word ‘rotten’ is subjective. The fundamental message of the Quran is that there is a Reality that encompasses and permeates all other realities.
Perhaps, you consider that to be rotten.
If so, then it’s a matter of your opinion.
That approach should be favored generally. For example, when you encounter a white nationalist it’s silly to just call him names. That has no effect. They need to be engaged and challenged. It’s counter-productive to assume they are incapable of rational thought.
The best way is for the Muslims is to turn to a form of Sufi Islam in order to focus on inner development to allow the self to reflect the higher qualities, such as love, generosity, selflessness, compassion, forgiveness, humility, serving others with no expectations, etc, be flexible in Islam’s outer forms, and to see the Truth in all human beings regardless of their religious and non religious affiliatations.
Wanting a Yazidi sex slave is just a phase. These kids will grow out of it. Show them the way, Sufi.
The current CVE programs work just fine; exactly as intended actually. I don’t think Mr. Aziz puts these programs at risk, so I hope the authorities will be lenient with him.