MORE THAN 90 PERCENT of young people in Iraq consider the United States to be an enemy of their country, according to a new poll.
After years spent justifying the war as a “liberation” of the Iraqi people, the survey casts further doubt on the success of that endeavor.
The poll was conducted by Penn Schoen Berland, a public relations and market research firm co-founded by controversial strategist Mark Penn, and was sponsored by a Dubai-based affiliate of Burson Marsteller, once described as “the PR firm for evil.” Still, the undertaking, as outlined by organizers, sounds ambitious. It included 250 face-to-face interviews in three Iraqi cities, plus another 3,250 interviews in 15 other countries throughout the Arab world, all with men and women ages 18-24 “selected to provide an accurate reflection of each nation’s geographic and socio-economic make-up.” It claims an error rate of plus or minus 1.65 percent.
The survey found that overwhelming majorities of young people in Iraq, Yemen, and the Palestinian Territories consider the U.S. to be an enemy. In Gulf Arab states, on the other hand, perceptions of the United States were far more positive. Roughly 85 percent of those living in the Gulf say that they consider the U.S. to be an ally, with another 66 percent expressing the same view in North Africa.

ASDA’A Burson-Marsteller Arab Youth Survey 2016
The results of the poll offer an interesting window into long-term perceptions of the Iraq War by Iraqis themselves. Advocates of the 2003 invasion often justified it by claiming post-Saddam Iraq would be an ally of U.S. interests in the region. In a speech leading up to the war, then-Vice President Dick Cheney cited experts who claimed Iraqis would “erupt in joy” over the invasion, predicting it would result in “strong bonds” created between the two countries. But years later, after hundreds of billions of dollars spent and more than a hundred thousand Iraqis dead, the United States is overwhelmingly considered an enemy by young men and women who were children when the war began.
In Yemen, too, where the U.S. conducted an assassination campaign via drones and special forces, and where for the past year the U.S. has supported bloody Saudi bombings, over 80 percent of respondents described the U.S. as an enemy. These figures are particularly worth noting since the Obama administration has repeatedly cited Yemen as a counterterrorism success story. In recent months, that country has been pummeled by American weapons that have blown up weddings, marketplaces, and rural villages. Far from aiding stability, attacks on the country have in fact helped al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, according to recent reports.
The poll also asked participants to weigh in on a variety of other issues, including the rise of Islamic State, sectarianism, and women’s rights. Participants overwhelmingly rejected ISIS, predicting that it would fail in its goal of remaking the region and would be insupportable even if it didn’t resort to extreme violence. Most worried that sectarianism was increasing in the region and would prove an obstacle to stability. Across both genders, strong majorities said that rulers must do more to promote women’s rights in their countries.
But from an American perspective, the report’s most salient features pertain to anti-Americanism among young Arabs abroad.
“For years, many have argued that Muslims and Arabs, like other humans, don’t appreciate being bombed or occupied,” says Haroon Moghul, a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding. “Finally, we have a study to confirm this suspicion.”
Top photo: Iraqi children cry after their parents were killed when U.S. soldiers fired on their car during a dusk patrol on Jan. 18, 2005, in Tal Afar, Iraq.
The United States has been a war oriented country for years because that is what keeps their economy going and until the people realize they have been lied to all these years and vote out the war loving politicians the hatred for the US. will continue to grow world wide.
// __ Remember the Toddler Who Threw a Tantrum in Front of the President? That was my kid. By Laura Moser
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/family/2015/11/the_2_year_old_who_threw_a_tantrum_in_front_of_the_president_she_was_my.html
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In solidarity maybe? Some morally conscious kid!
RCL
Survey is post Obama retreat from Iraq.
I sincerely promise my post is off topic and too long, so don’t read:
Lots of dumb stuff, all of a sudden, about logical appeals vs. emotional appeals, as if it were that simple….the amusing notion some Hillary people are trying to spread that Hillary appeals to logic while Bernie appeals to emotion…..and somebody downthread complaining about the photograph that accompanies this article……and some article, again, about how empathy is not to be encouraged and does nothing to make things better – a notion I don’t take seriously but that has been popping up suspiciously often this decade.
It’s a false dichotomy, emotion vs. logic, and one that is only brought up at certain times: when the logic inspired by the emotional response is something we would rather not consider.
The photograph is the appropriate companion to this article. The photograph brings me to tears. It’s very upsetting. That little boy is terrified. That little girl looks like my daughter used to look when she would cry. This all really happened, and it is happening again somewhere now.
Sitting here in front of my computer in my house, in America, I am probably safe right now, and I can’t get to the bottom of whether my reaction is in some way an indulgence or if there is anything good about it, or if my reaction means nothing at all, not even to me.
Separating logic from emotion, in my response to this photograph or anything else, strikes me as not only pointless but impossible. Emotion is logic that we feel. We might feel this logic more because it is better logic.
But does the emotion of fear make us smarter (if it isn’t an emotion, it sure feels like one)? It doesn’t seem to! Maybe certain emotions lead to better thinking than certain other emotions? Or maybe my neat formula is just doomed.
Thank you, Vic Perry!
Better logic, indeed! Also, when they behead a Westerner on camera with one of those weird knives, the pictures they take and videos they make and publicly post themselves are constantly replayed by Western media? Why don’t we make our own videos and take our own pictures and show them? Because, it would be “morally inappropriate”? Really? Because our own Christian degree of moral sickness would never match to those Qur’an worshiping savages’? Because we are just “hearing God” telling us to take care of “spreading democracy” and following his commands?
It is even written in the Bible (John 4:44 “a prophet has no honor in his/her own country”). I don’t think the interpretation of that one liner is a “FISA court secret” or it shouldn’t be that hard to grasp: if you can’t walk on someone else shoes (even due to “logical” reasons) you will always be preaching to the choir of your own belief system. I was kind of amazed to discover that gringos “self-evidently” see morality as a club thing and that in the U.S. lies are not just tools but -industries-. Foremost, that that works!?!
Using their language, more “questionable” than emotions and “logic” are emotional and “logical” blind spots. Those emotionally charged pictures (to us) which should be “logically interpreted” are daily life to whomever “freedom-lovingly” becomes the affectionate target of the U.S. government and “their allies”.
To me, there is not essential difference between Kissinger and Osama Bin Laden, in fact, arguably to some people the second one would measurably be a joke compared to the first, and I am amazed at how gringos make fun of how North Koreans bow to their cr@ppy leaders when on average they watch 4 hours TV on a daily basis. It would come then as no surprise that they see themselves as “good Christians”, as “the land of ‘the’ free and ‘the’ brave …”, when, in fact, their best defining characteristic to me and many is how abusive they are. They see abuse as being “logically responsible”, “freedom-lovingly fighting for democracy” … when, all they have pretty much ever done in messing with people who can’t defend themselves on an equal basis.
When Nazis were doing their “freedom-loving” they didn’t invade, occupy Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, Palestine, …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_interventions_of_the_United_States
but, hopelessly breaking a gentlemen agreement, went head on against Britain, Russia, France, …
Now the U.S. and their allies have 8-timed the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII, and that easily falsifiable fact is a most “logical” one, heck! It is even a basic Arithmetic one! Two simple division and a comparison will “logically” show to you what it means regardless of your emotional maturity to have any feelings about it or not.
truth and peace and love,
RCL
To those of us who find basic, 3rd grade Arithmetic challenging, I did someone the favor of doing his homework already:
https://theintercept.com/2015/04/17/ramstein/?comments=1#comment-124574
We should do away with politicians! All of them! It is about time we start redefining politics from the scratch. Even so-called “representative democracy” is a theatrical farce. Forget about “isms”. They all use their b#llsh!tting schemes about “patriotism”, “terrorism”, whatever-“ism” or supposedly, highly conceptually sounding b#llsh!t to play us all.
Abuse is one of those things that is –always– wrong. Kant wrote a long time ago a treatise about the dangers of militarism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Peace:_A_Philosophical_Sketch
even giving concrete steps to reach “perpetual peace”, but in those times war and peace didn’t mean what it means now. The physical demands of wars are quite different to the point that wars are and feel like computer games. You could actually kill people en mass “easily”, “based on algorithms” by a single press of your joystick from half way around the world. It still doesn’t make it right or “worth ‘it'”:
// __ Madeleine Albright justifies the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children as “worth it”
youtube.com/watch?v=KP1OAD9jSaI
No, US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, killing half a million children, Iraqi or of any nationality isn’t “worth ‘it'”!, or, let me try some “‘logical’ explaining ‘detached from emotions'”, it would, perhaps, be as “worth ‘it'” as, comparatively speaking, killing 4 million US children?
Or, US Secretary of State, if you actually believe what you are saying (and as we well know, most of your compatriots share your beliefs) why is USG so “‘responsibly’ selective” how come “we” don’t find freedom loving in these cases? Oh, doesn’t your God tell you to “freedom love” in such cases?
// __ Russian attack jets buzz US warship in riskiest encounter for years
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/russian-attack-planes-buzz-uss-donald-cook-baltic-sea
// __ Russian Fly-By: Su-24 jets buzz US Navy ship in Baltic sea
youtube.com/watch?v=Vsz2nno3Hk8
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// __ Chinese media calls for government to ‘fire shots and ram U S warships
youtube.com/watch?v=qwC6-XJTDmY
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// __ CHINA: FIRE SHOTS AND RAM U.S. WARSHIPS
youtube.com/watch?v=P_Q70AdpL1A
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// __ Beijing’s missile move in South China Sea could make US think twice about getting too close
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/17/beijings-missile-move-in-south-china-sea-could-make-us-think-twice-about-getting-too-close
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RCL
Here is an example of “freedom loving”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
but when it is China or Russia “their God tells them to be ‘responsible'”
RCL
I think we can almost blame most of the worlds ills from the mis-steps of the CIA where political strife is present – at least in regards to US issues. They are probably one group humans should worry about most because it’s evident peace isn’t their strength. The CIA handed out $150 million in cash to poppy farmers in Afghanistan and didn’t burn a single crop. You think farmers were really going to narc on the Taliban guys? Serious? You don’t need to wonder why there is a scourge of heroin abuse and deaths in America. The US helped the poppy growers create the largest crops in their history – especially when the growth of the poppy was obvious approved by the CIA, which again, destroyed nothing. $150 million is cash is a lot of money. We simply handed it over with no strings to drug dealers by the top protection force in the world – the CIA. It’s a fact, we all know it.
i am surprised we need a “market research” to tell us this.
nobody wants foreign soldiers shooting around in their countries.
americans, britons, chinese, won’t.
what made you expect Iraqi to be different?
Data documenting the voices of the ignored is worth getting – and sharing.
@bahhummingbug
Yeah, that authoritarian lover of torture, Craig, says our carnage in Iraq left a “scar.” Not a chaotic cauldron of violence and chaos which even Tony Blair has conceded gave rise to ISIS. Those utopians — who behave like nihilists– aren’t Al Qaeda. They’re pissed off at the dismal prospects in the hellhole *WE* made, and have glommed on to unhinged, extremist religion to “fix it.”
Like most simple-minded authoritarians, Craig thinks Muslim are all the same, and that those who become terrorists all have the same priorities and motives. The Defense Science Board study for Rumsfeld in ’04 rejected that:
For groups like Al Qaeda, and vis-a-vis Mulism resentment at the U.S. in general almost worldwide, what the Board found is true:
ISIS has, in fact, referred to the Palestinian matter as among their grievances. But this is a group born in the hell of Iraq where the misery is overwhelming and immediate. Obviously then — because Muslims are not, in fact, fungible — they’d be deeply motivated by the conditions in that horrible cauldron that we made.
We’ve murdered their fathers,mothers sisters and brothers in wholesale slaughter.
Of course they hate US.
Winning hearts and minds;The hearts go on the left side of the trophy belt,the brains on the right.
I guess that it is not an accepted fact that human beings do not like to be maimed and killed by bombs unless a poll says so…
Speaking of polls… Pew research is often cited by Glenn Greenwald. This Pew poll speaks to the degree to which the peoples of various Muslim nations endorse the practice of suicide bombing:
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/
Mr. Hussain, please let the Iraqi victims know that it is the American government, not ordinary people, that is their enemy. As it is ours. But don’t let your own off the hook.
As Murray Rothbard wrote, the state is “the organization of robbery systemized and writ large”.
i am tired of this “it’s the american govt, not american people” narrative.
last time i checked, americans pride themselves to be the “best democracy” on earth thus busy going around the world to missionary their “democracy”.
Pew Research Polling showed over 80% public support when Bush invaded Iraq in 2003. the “it’s the govt, not the people” narrative just ain’t fit.
I don’t know where you live, but I don’t see ANY DECENT democracy in the USA. A democracy does not support a country like Saudi Arabia that beheads people.
If people stopped paying attention to this governments phony polls that are put out by bought and paid for by the 1%. I can buy any type of poll to fit whatever corruption I want the ignorant Americans to buy. We are the dumbest country in the world, due to the fact that we have the money to be one of the most educated societies in the world, but we prefer waging illegal wars. I didn’t believe the USA back then and their INVADING another country that did NOTHING to us, and today government is a JOKE for the American people. The matter of fact if the Americans weren’t such COWARDS, they would allow themselves to be held accountable by the international courts and held to count for Terrorism.
Stop FUNDING war and FUND education instead! WHAT A CONCEPT!
[blockquote]Mr. Hussain, please let the Iraqi victims know that it is the American government, not ordinary people, that is their enemy.[/blockquote]
Who voted in the government that blew up Iraq? Who is it keeps voting in the same government in election after election after election? We did and we do, the American people (in spite of a large minority who want it to be otherwise.)
Blaming “the government” is a cop out. Take responsibility for the actions of your fellow Americans, even if you disagreed with them, but don’t deny that “ordinary people” voted for the representatives who got us into that wholly unnecessary war. We are the government. We are responsible.
What bullshit. American, you are most certainly on the hook. Does that make you uncomfortable?
Mona writes,
“……But this grossly nihilistic cult [ISIS] is obviously primarily fueled by chaos, unemployment and despair. It’s not the same dynamic as with Al Qaeda……” my insert in brackets
You mean, of course, the invented legacy of al-Qaeda and Bin Laden because their true legacy is one of murdering innocents everywhere they have operated in the world. However, Bin Laden became the symbol of opposition to western colonialism and imperialism who declared war on the US:
“……Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs……”
That’s why al-Qaeda must be perceived differently than the murderous ISIS by the radical left. To the extreme left, Bin Laden’s cause was justified – even the murder of 3000 people (“Whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs”). Bin Laden symbolized the consequences from hundreds of years of colonialism and western imperialism. He fought and died for Muslims to free the Islamic world from western oppression. Bin Laden wasn’t a terrorist. Indeed, terrorism is a meaningless term of western propaganda (Greenwald):
“…….As usual, what terrorism really means in American discourse – its operational meaning – is: violence by Muslims against Americans and their allies……”
Bin Laden was a freedom fighter. That’s why the “dynamics” of Al-Qaeda and ISIS must be judged differently. Al-Qaeda represents the victims of western policies.
Greenwald:
“……It’s in the world of reality, not conspiracy, where the US and Israel have continuously brought extreme amounts of violence to the Muslim world, routinely killing their innocent men, women and children. Listening to Engel, one would never know about tiny little matters like the bombing of Gaza and Lebanon, the almost five-decade long oppression of Palestinians, the widely hated, child-killing drone campaign, or the attack on Iraq…..”
Bin Laden:
“…….The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands…..…”
Who is part of this category, “extreme left”, and why do you consider them on the left? I ask because I think it is possible that you simply do not understand what some people mean.
I am busy for the moment. I will try to get back to you later
Thanks.
I’ve never heard any American say they were justified,just that they were unsurprising(at least to me and possibly the govt.),and logical reaction to American and Israeli provocation.
The dancing Israelis were celebrating before the second plane hit.They knew all about what was happening.
When will America awaken?
Craig doesn’t want to answer you because he’s been pressed on that particular inanity before. It reduces to everyone who is deeply critical of Israel but can’t plausibly be assigned to Stormfront. Craig doesn’t even include Marxists. It’s all about Israel.
Which is to say, it’s simply Craig being a Zionist idjit.
Mike
Extreme leftism begins with extreme anti-Americanism. It does not mean one is necessarily a Marxist. Of course as in any political label, there is overlap between various political designations such as liberalism and extreme leftism. Note that some of these may also be elements of the far right (sometimes indistinguishable) and the list may not be entirely complete:
1. Anti-American/anti-Israel almost always in tandem and completely predictable. How many articles has the Intercept had on Israel lately? A couple of classic far left positions which pertain specifically to Israel:
(a). Zionism is racism
(b). Israel is an apartheid state
(c). Israel is not a democracy
(d). Israel is an ethno supremacist state
(e). Opposition to a Jewish state i.e., support the one state solution
2. Jews have too much power and/or run the US and European governments (US policies are in the interests of Israel).
3. Belief that the US and Israel are two of the most dangerous countries in the world. One example constantly cited is that America was the only country to use nuclear weapons.
4. The Belief that the US is behind all political activism/coups such as in Syria, Ukraine or Honduras – or belief that the US supports the jihadists in Syria.
5. Support for the rise of counter balances to US power such as anti-democratic China and Russia.
6. Colonialism is the foundation of the far left: five hundred years of western imperialism and racism.
7. The west is driven by racist policies – especially regarding Muslims and the greater Middle East (Obama has bombed seven predominantly Muslim countries).
8. Anti-corporatism and inequality (obsessively).
9. Climate and environmental extremism.
10. Anti-globalization/anti-neoliberal policies.
11. Anti-Christian bigotry and hatred (intolerance).
Thanks for making that more understandable.
>”However, Bin Laden became the symbol of opposition to western colonialism and imperialism who declared war on the US:” *Craig, from the top
Is that satire? Anybody can declare war, craig. The Unibomber, the ranchers out west (they actually captured/held US territory!), the KKK, Trump&Cruz (but not Hillary… yet.), Your Mama.
But it’s the war that’s so important.
>”The upheaval of Iraqi society has left a scar …” Craig, down below
“…….Is that satire? Anybody can declare war, craig…..”
I doubt that Bin Laden viewed it as satire. Al-Qaeda declared war in 1998 and killed 3000 people because our intelligence agencies didn’t take it seriously either.
“extreme left” You must be on the extreme right if you think that’s a relevant phrase.
Thank you for bringing this survey to my attention. I appreciate how the tyranny of headlines and search engines can distort our contemporary journalism but I did not think The Intercept would suffer from this pressure as much. To be sure I would not draw the same conclusions as you have nor would I present them with the same unequivocal confidence.
Can you please show an infographic that also distinguishes between the strong/weak enemy and strong/weak ally answers?
When Obama finally wins and withdraws all troops from Iraq, the 90% will start to realize that the enemy is them.
Those people are very irrational, so those surveys shouldn’t be taken seriously.
They constantly look up the skies not really looking for a its beautiful blue or the sun and fear playing outside. They even say they have constant nightmares about drones and being blown up themselves or their loved ones, when all we have ever done is freedom-loving them!
How crazily ungrateful of them! Now wonder we have then to institutionalize so-called “Shared Responsibility Committees” to spy on them and steer them away from “the path to terrorism” (TM), so that a few of their crazies don’t kill us Westerners because “they hate us for having a free media” (TM) …
RCL
“they hate us for having a free media” ?
Who are “they” kimosabe?
You may be right, that may be an awkward usage of the English language. I shouldn’t even say “they” in that context, since those self-moving living beings are not even described as human by our Western media. Heck, they are not even described at all as anything anyway, so, in a Cartesian sense, they don’t even exit.
However, Janet Jackson’s tit, Rihanna’s butt and the cr@ppy British family sure get attention by our “free” media.
By the way, those weird Muslim animals seem to dream as well:
// __ We dream about drones, said 13-year-old Yemeni before his death in a CIA strike
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/10/drones-dream-yemeni-teenager-mohammed-tuaiman-death-cia-strike
“kimosabe”?
RCL
Ke-mo sah-bee (/?ki?mo??s??bi?/; often spelled kemo sabe or kemosabe) is the term of endearment and catchphrase used by the fictional American Indian sidekick Tonto, in the American radio and television program The Lone Ranger (Actually, in the radio program, the Lone Ranger called Tonto “kemosabe”. In the television program, it was vice versa).
Ultimately derived from gimoozaabi, an Ojibwe and Potawatomi word that may mean “he/she looks out in secret”,[1] it is sometimes translated as “trusty scout” or “faithful friend”.[2][3] Its use has become so widespread that it was entered into Webster’s New Millennium Dictionary in 2002.[3]
In the 2013 film The Lone Ranger, Tonto states that it means “wrong brother” in Comanche.
This is tricky to analyze because those that advocate end the bombing could use the 90% rating in the poll to justify their call to end war. They might say when you kill innocent people they will resent, hate you, and become your enemy.
If you are a Hawk they might say this 90% rating means we need more bombings if not a scorched earth policy, and also it is imperative to create a new Super-duper Patriot Act on Steroids.
What is more concerning is the fact that this article states “more than a hundred thousand Iraqis dead” referring to the war. Well how about way more than 100,000 killed as estimates by international organizations blow that number away. The understated 100,000 killed estimate seems like a number only worthy of the best PR firm the US could buy.
Just in case the poll is correct is there anyone that wants to volunteer to set up a fund to collect $3 from US citizens so we can pay to drop leaflets in the American people’s name to let the people of Iraq know it is not us bombing them it is the crazies that own and run our government? And we are trying to get them out as just this week over 400 of us were arrested in DC in that effort.
Nobel Laureate medical group Physicians for Social Responsibility puts total Iraq war deaths at a million and civilian sanctions deaths there at 1.7 million (1), nearly 600,000 of whom were under age 5 (2). So you’re right, the article’s estimate is way low of the mark.
1. http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf
2. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/01/world/iraq-sanctions-kill-children-un-reports.html
I love your $3 fund idea. Sadly, I will not volunteer to start it, but I would definitely pay $3 to send that message to Iraq.
“our” government, we fund to do such things and do us the favor to lie to us while they are at it, may I add
Are we talking about a kickstarter drive? I am in
Thank you,
RCL
thanks cheney. thanks Dumya. thanks wolfowitz. thanks rumsfeld. thanks barrack.
It is probably too late but charging bush and cheney for war crimes in 2009 was the answer but barrack cowered. The u.s. has earned top tier in despicable and torture with horrors like this
and the u.s. gov in the name of the people of the u.s. simply say “oh well shit happens”.
That is not shit, that is evil.
Just yesterday, a Senate Appropriations meeting was held, discussing the issue of how to combat “extremism” while US wars have helped create 60 million refugees in the world. Committee leaders Graham and Leahy were joined by UNHCR Commissioner Kelly Clements, a retired US General, Dep Sec of State Blinken, and Bono of U2 and the ONE project.
OBVIOUSLY, when people have no homes, no economy, no school, no life, no hope, no future, no meaningful existence – why the fuck not go blow something up? lulz The disasters US war-criminals have created will likely destroy the EU. Maybe at that point, Europeans will have the balls to stand-up to the US.
http://www.appropriations.senate.gov/hearings/hearing-on-violent-extremism-and-the-role-of-foreign-assistance
I can’t figure out what is the idea behind this article by Sheik Murtaza. Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc., are mostly inhabited by Islamic Jihadists people who worship Alla and Muhammad approximately five or six times every day. These people are against everything good and peaceful in this part of the universe. They fight among themselves most of the time and kill each other, and then in their spare time they fight us and try to cause us harm. Instead of giving their invaluable opinion about their perception of their enemies, they should instead focus on looking after themselves and each other in a better and more sensible way. Allahuakbar, all their miseries will vanish if only they stopped suicide-bombing each other.
You obviously have convinced yourself that you know something. YOU DON’T. lulz And your hateful stupidity will never convince anyone but other uninformed idiots and bigots like yourself. LULZ again.
“then in their spare time they fight us and try to cause us harm. ”
Exactly. All the USA did was attack a sovereign nation and slaughter upwards of one million innocent men, women, children, and babies who never did anything whatsoever to the US and they hate us! Clearly, these people are barbarians.
Yes, let’s have someone come in the US and destroy, steal, and slaughter a few millions, not to mention not recovering for centuries–if at all, and some dumbass expects otherwise?
We did not slaughter so many millions. Those Muslim Jihadists have generally suicide-bombed themselves and their friendly neighborhood. They even had one Chemical Ali who was gassing them. If they had not been up to such kind of mischief then we would have had no need to intervene and try to stop them from killing each other. Obviously, the blame is now on us as if it was we who initiated all the killings, when they themselves call each other apostates and then mutually suicide-bomb themselves out of existence.
Who is “we”? I presume the west.
Are you actually claiming Germany did not kill millions of its own citizens, as wells as millions of fellow Europeans?
Are you actually claiming the USA did not kill hundreds of thousands in Vietnam?
Are you actually claiming the USA did not kill over 100,000 in Iraq?
The USA was built on Genocide. Whites have been killing each other for centuries. Kosovo, Serbia, NATO…
WTF are you kidding….
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing
that jet that had the u.s. insignias on it? it was actually them things from the far side of the moon looking to frame the u.s.
When Hercules regained his senses and saw the horrible thing that he had done, he asked the god Apollo to rid him of this pollution.
Mr. Hussain
“……..“For years, many have argued that Muslims and Arabs, like other humans, don’t appreciate being bombed or occupied,” says Haroon Moghul, a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding. “Finally, we have a study to confirm this suspicion.”…..”
The upheaval of Iraqi society has left a scar, but the study also rejected the number one reason given by the Intercept that young Arabs join terrorist organizations: our support for Israel and the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Attacks against the west are simply blowback from western policies. However, the number one reason given for joining ISIS was the unemployment picture followed by superiority of religious views (Sunnis) and third by sectarian tensions throughout the region. The imposition of western values on the Arab world came in number four which likely indicates opposition to globalization by fundamentalists Muslims. This idea of US foreign policy i.e., killing Muslims and supporting Israel, as the cause of terrorism was originally promoted by Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Of course, it was nothing more than propaganda since the terrorist organization supported the murderous Zarqawi in Iraq; the brutal TTP in Pakistan; the anti-democratic Taliban in Afghanistan and numerous other al-Qaeda affiliates in North Africa who all murder civilians (mostly Muslims) to gain power.
As noted by the survey authors:
“……What drives young people to join a brutal, ultra-radical group like Daesh? Since its recent rise in Syria, and Iraqin 2013, the group declared war primarily on fellow Muslims.…..”
Overall, this was an interesting study of Arab youth. You did cherry-pick the survey a bit to promote your own political agenda. The enemy-ally response seems to be split more along sectarian lines (with the exception of Yemen), but there were other interesting findings. The US was ranked just behind Saudi Arabia and the UAE as the biggest ally in the region (again a sectarian split for the most part). The US was ranked just behind the UAE for the favored country to live in. Arab youth favored stability over democracy yet wanted more freedom and women’s rights, in general. The survey shows a changing and brighter future for Arabs based on their youth.
too bad the same cannot be said for the Palestinians in Palestine.
Craig’s very, very unhappy that the Defense Science Board found that U.S. policies — including our one-sided love-fest with Israel — drives Muslim anger and terrorism. So, he’s using this study which isn’t about the causes of terrorism to say: “See, nothing about Israel!”
The survey was about the goals and attitudes of young Muslims in a variety of countries. What they think about democracy v/ stability. Their use of social media. Whether they see the U.S. as an ally or an enemy. What they think causes Daesh to look attractive to some in Iraq, a nation where Daesh did not exist until we incubated it by destroying the country.
Daesh is far more of a plague in Iraq, Syria and Libya than it is in the West. It is interesting to learn what young Muslims in those nations think draws some of their peers to it.
Young people living in the violent cauldron we made in Iraq have a bit more immediate things to worry about than their Palestinian cousins. U.S. policy created Daesh; Israel-Palestine is just one of Daesh’s grievances. As was true in the ’04 DSB study.
But this grossly nihilistic cult is obviously primarily fueled by chaos, unemployment and despair. It’s not the same dynamic as with Al Qaeda.
Mona
“…… U.S. policy created Daesh…..”
It is not quite that simple Mona. The US and the Syrian governments created the conditions which led to the rise of ISIS. That is true. The US unleashed a civil war in Iraq while Assad started a civil war in Syria. In Iraq, al-Qaeda morphed into ISIS. ISIS had its earliest beginnings as an al-Qaeda affiliate supported by al-Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan/Pakistan. The sectarian divide in Iraq was created by the ruling Baath Party under Saddam Hussein. The minority Sunnis ruled over the majority Shia population by force (police state). This is a similar situation as in Bahrain which will likely implode in the not too distant future.
In Iraq, the US defeated al-Qaeda/ISIS by turning Sunnis against the brutal al-Zarqawi during the surge. However, after stabilizing Iraq by providing protection and support for Sunnis in the new Iraqi government, the Shia-dominant government under Maliki marginalized the Sunnis leading to a reemergence of ISIS. This was done after the US was kicked out of Iraq. This was a major mistake by Maliki which led to his removal from the government as a condition for US help. In this case, Iran supported the removal of Maliki.
Five conditions led to the rise of ISIS:
1. US invasion of Iraq
2. Arab Spring – especially in Syria
3. Civil wars along sectarian lines in Syria and Iraq
4. Sectarian divide in the Middle East with Iran and Saudi Arabia vying for regional power with proxy wars.
5. Marginalization of the Sunnis from the Iraq government by the Shia dominated Maliki government
And ONE (1) condition led the U.S. to the 5 conditions….. and that would be the sold-outness of politicians to the paranoia instilled by the most paranoid political advisor in history, named, Henry Kissinger.
So if you want to go disecting frogs, understand epidemiology.
When the iraquis realize that iraq is a part of the YINON PLAN and that the zionistas want to steal iraq as well, it’s gonna be hard to imagine them calling the U.S. to rescue them.
Good catch, I picked up on this too. However, you left out one nugget of information. At the very bottom of the chart is the No. 1 answer: “I can’t explain it – I don’t understand why anybody would want to join Daesh.” I think it’s important to point this out because it shows many respondents simply don’t accept any of the potential rationalizations and justifications given for joining ISIS.
With that said, it’s pretty surprising to me the extent to which youth see the U.S. as the enemy. 9 out of 10 caught me by surprise but after pondering it, it’s hard to blame them.
Strangely, in the 2015 report (p. 22/31) it says that the United States is seen as one of the Top Three Allies by Iraq. Almost seems like a typo. How can they go from a top-3 ally in 2015 to universally considered an enemy?
In the 2014 report, there’s hardly any information on the perception of the U.S. It’s becoming clear that enemy statistic in 2016 is the baseline year so there is really nothing to compare it to from past reports from this entity.
In the 2013 report, Iraqis were the “most optimistic about the future, with 71% expressing optimism.” Compare that to 2016 when they are the 6th most “skeptical” country (again, their data sets could use some better consistency)
In the 2012 report, “In Iraq, where the fledgling democratic tradition has had a little time to take root, 46 per cent of young people say that living in a democracy is “very important” to them, down dramatically from 91 percent the previous year.” That’s an insane change.
In the 2010 report: “The greatest shifts away from tradition have been seen in Iraq, where 58 percent now agree that traditional values are important, down from 94 percent in January 2011, and Lebanon, down from 85 per cent to 48 per cent.” These ridiculous changes within a year are making me really wonder about their methodology.
Hi Nate
The reemergence of ISIS in Iraq (formerly al-Qaeda) occurred in 2012-2013 after the US left Iraq so the change to wanting a more stable environment might have coincided with the growth of ISIS. Syria rapidly deteriorated at about the same time with Assad crushing the pro democracy movement. IN addition, Egypt was also going through major changes because of the Arab Spring so stability might have seemed like a utopia to everyone! Regardless, that was a huge change in the polling which could also reflect their methodology.
However, from top three ally in 2015 to the 2016 poll where 90% of Iraqis consider US the enemy suggest that something is not quite right with the poll. After all, the Kurds are a US Allie in Iraq so I wonder what percentage of the people polled were Kurds(?). I can certainly understand why the Sunnis and Shiites would consider the US their enemy. The Sunnis were removed from power and the Shia in Iraq aligned with Iran – a US enemy. In addition, the Shiites have had hell to pay from ISIS with car bombs and suicide bombers targeting markets and Mosques in the Shia majority areas.
I also agree that the high percentage of people that couldn’t understand why anyone would join ISIS is really an important and uplifting stat for the future of Arabs and Persians. I especially cannot understand the transition from the unemployment line to wanting to kill someone…..anyone. Don’t young people play video games nowadays?
” I especially cannot understand the transition from the unemployment line to wanting to kill someone..”
hmmm. It sounds like the flood of video games is a temptation that video game players are susceptible to. And that somehow these young video players did not have protections from the temptations offered by the promoters of evil ways.
:-)
The study has nothing to do with determining why some young Arabs join Daesh. It has to do with asking a cross-section of young Arabs who did NOT join Daesh what they THINK are the reasons some of their young friends might have joined Daesh.
You are correct to point out that the plurality rejected all reasons for joining Daesh, which refutes the disgusting claims of racist commenters who claim Arabs are obsessed with killing. Those who did offer reasons chose the problems that most directly affect themselves. Sectarianism was actually the number 1 reason given, at 35%. This is hidden in the survey by dividing it into 2 questions, “The belief that their interpretation of Islam is superior to others,” and, “Religious tensions between Sunni, Shia, and other religions in the region.”
Also note that the Sunni-Shia divide was far less of a problem in Iraq before the US intervention than it has become since. Saddam Hussein did brutally suppress POLITICAL movements that threatened his power and were often based on narrow sectarian interest, but there was little if any animosity between Sunni and Shia people in Iraq. Saddam’s government was diverse, with many army officers being Shia and top government officials including Christians as well. There were many mixed neighborhoods in Baghdad, and mixed marriages were common. This all changed with forced de-Baathification and implementation of the “el Salvador option” by John Negroponte and James Steele in Iraq and later Robert Stephen Ford and Bandar Bush in Syria. It was classic divide and conquer as per the Lewis/Brzezinski /Yinon plans. I think many young Arabs understand this and it helps explain why the US is seen as an enemy. They know the US and its proxies have been helping to arm Daesh.
The picture above this article was really not necessary for me to know why Iraqi people think that Americans are the enemy.
Actually, I consider it as an insult from the the Intercept to believe that readers like me will only understand that Americans ARE the enemy of Iraqi people if you add a picture with blood, gore, and utter despair above the story. Tragic, shamefull, apalling, disgusting. That is what that is.
So how should you tell this story of power vs the powerless, like Mr Hussain did?
Answer: tell a monotonous story about stealing and robbing of power vs people.
Multatuli (Dutch writer) did exactly that in 1860 when he accused the Dutch to be the enemy of (now) Indonesians. Which, of course, we (the Dutch; I am Dutch) were at that time, e.g. read the following chapter: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Max_Havelaar_(Wikisource)/29
Same story as now with the youth in Iraq vs Americans. No doubt.
PLEASE Intercept, more story’s about the abuse of power vs the powerless in places like Iraq. But don’t make readers look away in disgust. The latter really does not help when you want to help the people in Iraq.
Showing suffering children always is an attempt to evoke emotion in the reader (which it should). The Intercept uses pictures of injured or dead children for political reasons preferring to show children that support their political cause. Some children are simply worth more than others at the Intercept.
That situation “suffering children” should not exist to have photos taken or not– wtf? Shoot he messenger!
Read General Hercules comment 2 postings above your own to see why photos of US barbarism has no effect whatsoever on the “US Does No Wrong” crowd.
You may not need to see it, but in a country so mind-numbingly detached from reality that phrases like “War on Christmas” are blithely used, these are needed more not less.
a picture (in scripted detail) is worth a thousand times.
perhaps you never say the bodies of the mutilated women and children murdered by israeli IDF? en masse. thousands. perhaps you would prefer the see-no-evil hear-no-evil speak-no-evil?
This works for now.
I could not disagree with you more. By far, one of the greatest failures of the U.S. media is that it sanitizes our wars and war-like actions.
Dead toddlers, killed by our F-16s, drones and other weapons, are mere abstractions here in the U.S. — to the extent they are thought of at all. If I could, I’d force almost all Americans to stare for several hours at one picture after another of the dead, wounded and grieving survivors of our violence.
The story you linked is excellent and amazingly written; thank you for sharing it.
“But years later, after hundreds of billions of dollars spent and more than a hundred thousand Iraqis dead…”
That’s 2.8 million Iraqis dead since the first US attacks in 1991, according to the authoritative two-volume study “Genocide in Iraq” by Dr. Abdul-Haq al-Ani and Tarik al-Ani. Far smaller estimates such as 100,000 come from sources such as Iraq Body Count. The latter used methods which automatically excluded the vast majority of deaths – such as insisting that only deaths recorded by two independent Western sources could be counted. As Western sources (of any kind) were very likely to be messily killed if they went anywhere near the affected regions, such reports were rather thin on the ground.
The only extraordinary fact laid bare by this poll is that the US government still hasn’t figured out that its stated goals don’t work – unless, of course, the actual purpose of all of these military adventures is to destabilize all peaceful relations between human beings. But that would be evil, wouldn’t it? That’s something Hitler would do. Certainly not us!
Fortunately for the planet, today’s youth are more evolved than most of the dinosaurs in charge, who will soon die out. Global warming is humanity’s problem and only united effort will solve it.
The main difference between Hitler and US administrations seems to be that Hitler was often quite candid and forthright about his ghastly aims. The number of dead and crippled through American action since 1945 may well exceed the number attributable to the Nazis, admittedly during a shorter period. But very few have noticed this horrifying fact, as a great deal of money and effort has gone into hushing it up. Propagandists such as Goebbels look terribly crude and simple-minded compared to their modern Western successors. (Indeed Goebbels himself freely admitted that he learned much of what he knew from Americans such as Edward Bernays).
candid and forthright indeed. Predatory regimes typically use censorship or crazy spin. In israel for instance, they call slaughtering the palestinians to steal their land “mowing the grass”.
This nation needs to get out of all these other countries! For that to happen, a revolution must first be waged!
robertsrevolution.net
Did the poll in Iraq include the Kurds? I suspect not…
And?
When was the last time the US directly participated in or facilitated the bombing of Kurds? Um never. Just because Iraqi Kurds were physically located in Iraq doesn’t mean they’ve ever been targeted for some of our freedom and liberty bombing runs.
Picking up the important distinction?
Well the US and Britain did facilitate Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction gas program that Saddam used on the Kurds and Iranians. But they’ve seemed to have forgiven us for that little “mistake,” which is how America’s leaders like to describe everything that ends up in mass casualties and death at our hands all over the world. Like “oopsy daisy who could have ever seen that coming, my bad, just a little mistake.” I always find that idea, “we made a mistake,” as about the most morally facile attempted justification for America’s military interventionism. Generally speaking you don’t “accidentally” drop bombs and shoot other human beings. Now you may not necessarily hit your intended target and kill innocent bystanders, but that’s a function of predictable negligence, carelessness, recklessness or a calculated move to sacrifice other human beings lives so you can get the purported “evil doer” in the innocent folks midst. Funny thing is if anybody ever did that to Americans on American soil, Americans would be baying for blood or for nuclear weapons to be dropped on somebody, somewhere, even if they didn’t have anything to do with it, you know, so we look tough and like we have “resolve”. Fucking insane world when that sort of purported justification and/or hypocrisy passes for a moral worldview from the “lone indispensable superpower and shining beacon of light on the hill.”
I just wish our leaders would speak honestly with the people and let them decide if they are on board with America’s “way of doing business” all over the world and with the “means” by which we “defend our interests.”
To my knowledge, Hillary Clinton has commented that her vote for the Iraq invasion was a “Mistake,” yet has she really stated what she was grappling with in her “conscience” to vote FOR it?
If I could ask her in a real debate, I’d ask: “Hillary Clinton, you’ve flatly stated your vote for the Iraq invasion was a “mistake,” yet you haven’t gone into detail about the huge moral reasoning of WHY we needed to invade a non-threatening country:
1) Was it because you actually bought George W Bush’s speculation (without any facts) that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, even though most countries rationally stated they would rather continue with UN inspections;
2) or that the 9-1-1 attackers were Iraqis, even though it was established most of them were from Saudi Arabia;
3) or that you thought Dick Cheney’s “hunch” was true, that the people of Iraq would be “dancing in the streets” after we annihilated them;
4) or that you felt handling/selling Iraq’s oil would justify slaughter;
5) or that Saddam Hussein, like Gaddafi, refused to trade with Petrodollars?
Which of these reasons was your moral compass to kill a million+ human beings?
and the audicity that people like our leaders including barack stoicly proclaim that “other nations should be or want to be more like us” as we reduce voting, shoot unarmed people, arrest protesters, steal savings and homes, fill prisons, poison water supplies etc etc
kinda wanna makes one wanna throw up.
Oh, yes every time I hear from our corrupted leaders voices “our American values” it really turns my stomach and I do not mean figuratively I mean physically.
The vast number of our political leaders are so wrapped up in corruption they would choke if they were exposed to a breath of clean air.
What is left of American values is what was always there to begin with the desire, hope, generosity, and toil of the common people.
I think what he is saying is that the Kurds were liberated by the invasion (as were the Shia). The Kurds occupy a semi-autonomous region in Iraq. Much of the Kurdish population is spread out over Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran – and they are an enemy of ISIS.
Yeah like you could have ever imagined people don’t like being bombed and having their family and friends killed so some other guy can feel “safer” half way around the globe or in service of his “interests”.
Well duh…you kill their parents and what do you expect from them? Friendship? Hell we made more terrorist.
If the Americans had committed the same atrocities and perversions in my country that they perpetrated in the Middle East I would feel exactly how these Iraquis feel. They have every reason to hate their oppressors – as we did in 1939.
There may well be propaganda involved but you can’t pretend that US behaviour is acceptable to decent people.
BUCHENWALD
the jewish people hold contempt for the nazis
NAKBA
the palestinians hold contempt for the zionistas
Anyone seen the story of the Polish American professor at Princeton on the carpet in Poland for stating the Poles killed more Jews than the Germans?
The dam is bursting.
Damned if you do…and damned if you don’t.
Make up your mind or do not come back asking for help once more.
Asked for help?Ahmad Chalabi?What Iraqis living in Iraq in 03 asked US to invade?Allawi?Oh,thats right,they were here in DC and cspan..
Reich Wingers believe in every conspiracy with exception of the one that is really happening.
I think the qualitative aspect of this study, sitting down and talking with 3,500 people face-to-face, is outstanding. This is the grunt work that takes much time and attention.
I don’t know why I smiled at the very last paragraph. Sometimes the obvious becomes more clear when written in word.
No, duh
This just helps confirm that people would rather be under the leadership of a crappy dictator than being invaded, bombed and having their place they live thrown into utter chaos. Really? Just reverse this and ask Americans the same question; after being bombed, invaded, and their country thrown into utter chaos and I’ll bet you would get the same kind of response. The US govt is the main reason there is so much trouble where ever they interfere with matters. Maybe it’s time to find some peaceful leaders before it’s too late to save things.
I never expected to see that low figure quoted by the Intercept. You’re referring to the IBC estimate, which turned out to be even lower than the US military’s own conservative figure for civilian deaths and has been the subject of criticism by John Tirman of MIT’s Center for International Studies among others.
I’d stick with the Lancet report and its estimate of 1million+ casualties.
There are a number of other reasons to distrust the IBC Project; here’s one and here’s another.
It’s quite sad when you compare the highlighting of our (in the West) military combat casualties abroad to the suppression of military combat casualties of the nations that were invaded, as you’ve done here. Otherwise, Murtaza, you would have reconsidered your “hundred thousand” figure before clicking the submit button.
The headline emphasizes the negative, but the US should be encouraged by its high level of support in the Gulf States. Obviously they’re doing something right. I suspect the cause may be the large volume of US weapons purchased by these states. This suggests that to increase its popularity elsewhere, the US simply needs to gear up its arms sales.
Sometimes popularity and profits go hand in hand – although the left, which hates a win-win scenario, would probably dispute this.
well Benito, that may depend on how deeply you analyse your “win”.
Every win becomes a loss if you analyze it deeply enough – or at least a missed opportunity for an even bigger win. But that sort of thinking becomes self-defeating.
absolutely. And the u.s., if it were smart, could jump sides and get some contrasting cheers. Better yet, imagine the u.s. false flagging jets and hitting both sides and getting paid to do so. What a coupe! Actually? Lucky for the u.s. Eric Prince is scouting the territory and firming up the estimates for such contracts.
America is run by evil people. One day all the horrors they have caused will come back at their doorstep. They had no compassion for the Africans they massacred and enslaved…treated like animals…while writing their ‘All men are created equal’ bull…nothing has changed…the rulers of America are as greedy bloodthirsty and evil today as they were from the time of Washington. this world
They hate you for your freedoms…and Mom’s apple pie…and…
It has NOTHING to do with war!
Your premise is that they hate us. Logic with a false starting point will almost always lead to a false conclusion.
You continue to exhibit much denseness in your comments. President Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress, notoriously claimed:
Bush was widely mocked for that bullshit; “they hate us for our freedoms” became a meme. Unless you were a toddler during the Bush years, it is almost inconceivable that you do not know this.
They do not hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our policies.
“They do not hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our policies.”
By they, you mean the .00001% of Muslims who identify as terrorists? Do you honestly believe 90% of young Muslims think that way?
Isn’t that the definition of prejudice? If 90% of young Muslims thought that we were the enemy, we would all be backing Trump’s wall idea. The reason why Obama is not building a wall is because 90% of Muslims is like saying 90% of Christians, 90% of Jews, 90% of human beings…
It’s a shame that you cannot see how your comment is really not that much different than what Trump is saying.
Enjoy spitting out all you hear on TV and ignoring real facts. I bet you also think torturers are “patriots” too and that it’s an actual effective method for more than FALSE CONFESSIONS. (One of which lead to us GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ. However, you’d have to read the torture report to know that…. Since media didn’t summarize the report of care, I’ll assume you don’t know or even care about anything I’m writing…)
You’re make America proud for contributing to it’s DEADLY “sheeple” problem.
Methinks you misinterpret his sarcasm…
What freedoms? You must not live in the USA if you have freedom. I live under a dictatorship and I live in the USA!
It has EVERYTHING to do with war. We invaded a country ILLEGALLY and are too much of a coward to be held accountable.
“It included 250 face-to-face interviews in three Iraqi cities, plus another 3,250 interviews in 15 other countries throughout the Arab world”
Why does this sound ambitious to you? Were the 250 randomly selected? Who knows, they could have been hand picked. Who are the 3250? I can’t imagine how you can randomly select that group since it would require research to find and question them. How much money would it take to poll those 3250? Who paid for the pollsters to do all that work? You yourself described the polling authority as evil. Polling in America isn’t accurate to 1.65%. How is it possible that polling in a war torn country would be so accurate? What about all of the Iraqis who do not fit that age group? Their opinion is wholly ignored. Why? Did you think of any of these concepts when you wrote your piece?
Uh…we get it…you don’t like the result.
Many of your questions are answered in the link Hussain provides to the poll itself. (How quickly did you post this comment before scanning
As for this:
Aside from the fact, recited in the article, that the polling included face-to-face interviews, you really ought to read the link to the poll report itself.
The methodology of this poll is discussed on page six of the link you posted. The poll was not scientific in any expressed way. Conducting interviews is not inherently scientific. Who was selected for interview / where/how the questions are asked… these are all relevant to methodology and none were expressed, either by the author nor the source.
That led me to ask why the author trusted the poll.
What led to you challenging my question? I would take a guess but there is no point in stating the obvious.
Haroon Moghul appears to trust it. He’s a very bright and knowledgeable man. You are not, as has been evidenced in the comments here repeatedly.
Are all people who disagree with you stupid?
as for stating the obvious, a cursory exam of the devastation of the palestinians is quite easy to find.
http://israelgenocide.com
but there are dozens of other references.
What is obvious, without even reading any of the references, is the likelyhood that palestinians must really despise zionistas who steal money from the u.s. to kill the palestinians to steal their land then blame the u.s. for it then hitting up the u.s. for protection money. Sounds more like organized crime doesnt it?
What is also obvious- that is a rhetorical question not really needing a response.
I think the accuracy claims are horseshit; there is no way a sample of a few hundred can get you under 2% error. Perhaps they are pulling a fast one: basing the claimed accuracy on the entire sample size of over 3,000, but then using that result as if it applied to the individual countries. There is no way I would trust these results, even though I do not find them surprising or necessarily untrue. I think the methodology section in that report is defective.
Add this concept to the mix and then you may better understand my frustration: the headline is talking about Iraqi opinion but the vast majority of the young people polled were not Iraqi.
That goes beyond misleading to me and it makes me wonder why.
I think the headline does not adequately describe the contents of the article, and the contents of the article do express an adequate evaluation of the reliability of the poll.
Spoken like a true arms dealer.
Why don’t you go to Google Images and type in “Iraq Abu Ghraib”?
Imagine you were an Iraqi teenager examining these images. What would you think about the country responsible for them? And no, I don’t think that any Iraqis believe it was just ‘a few bad apples’. Here’s a cartoon which explains the chain of command:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/corpwatch.org/img/original/prison.jpg
It’s pretty clear that the US did more to damage Iraq’s economy, infrastructure and population than Germany did to damage Britain in World War II; Germany killed 40,000 civilians in their effort, while the U.S. killed something like 130,000 Iraqis over the course of the invasion and occupation. So who would be surprised that Iraqi youth consider the U.S. to be an enemy?
By and large they also consider now Iran to be an ally, even though there was a brutal war between Iran and Iraq c.1980-1988.
Well done, neocons, well done. . . What a pack of bloodthirsty idiots. Of course, the neoliberal effort in Libya and Syria under Obama and Clinton is just more of the same.
Instead of the relatively paucity of German bombing of Britain,shouldn’t the British bombing of Germany be more apt?
And the US bombing of Fallujah(unseen by most Americans)dwarfed even the firebombing of Dresden in its destruction.Have people seen those results?
Well, Britain didn’t try to invade and occupy Germany. Perhaps the Sep 1939 German invasion of Poland is the best analogue of the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Woolsey-Rice-Powell-led invasion of Iraq; recall that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler claimed the massive invasion was a defensive action?
“At 8 p.m. on August 31, Nazi S.S. troops wearing Polish uniforms staged a phony invasion of Germany, damaging several minor installations on the German side of the border. They also left behind a handful of dead concentration camp prisoners in Polish uniforms to serve as further evidence of the supposed Polish invasion, which Nazi propagandists publicized as an unforgivable act of aggression. ”
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germans-invade-poland
Very similar to the dishonest claims about Iraqi WMDs and Saddam’s supposed involvement in the 9/11 Al Qaeda attacks, isn’t it?
Hussain did not defend the claim about the margin of error. He does quote Haroon Moghul as finding value in the study. Moghul does not appear to be an uneducated fool.
Why?
Why?
Consider this:
How did they actually select the respondents? Perhaps they did random selections from a group of men and random selections from a group of women. If they just did random selections, it never would have come out exactly 50:50. Or maybe they did not do random selections at all, because you sure as hell do not get 1.65% error with 200 randomly selected samples. If not random, how? And if not random, how would you arrive at an error at all, especially one that seems to claim accuracy to three places?
Without answers to these questions, one has to assume that someone is trying to fool you, but maybe they just have no idea what they are doing. if I were investigating this, I would want to see proof that the interviews actually took place. I would want to know what the rules for conducting them were. I would want be able to interview at least some of the people who conducted the interviews. And so on.
Otherwise, I do not believe a word of it, even if it does look reasonable.
You’re right, it would be ridiculous to call this survey representative but I don’t think the accuracy claim is to the entire Middle East.
I’ll bet the error rate applies to correctly recording the interviews, which were done in English and Arabic; ~2% is real enough for translation or simple error.
Beyond that, the piece reads as propaganda and is not scientific in any way. But then that probably has never bothered Sunil John before. His smiling portrait and status, “ranked No. 12 in The GCC’s 100 most
powerful Indians by Arabian Business magazine”, says You can trust me.
well, sounds like they got it covered …
As Sulzer said, I don’t disagree with the conclusion but scientific? No, the survey is anecdotal at best. As stated, the purpose of the “Survey” is in
Propaganda, part of Betsy’s brand …