From the time we began reporting on the archive provided to us in Hong Kong by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, we sought to fulfill his two principal requests for how the materials should be handled: that they be released in conjunction with careful reporting that puts the documents in context and makes them digestible to the public, and that the welfare and reputations of innocent people be safeguarded. As time has gone on, The Intercept has sought out new ways to get documents from the archive into the hands of the public, consistent with the public interest as originally conceived.
Today, The Intercept is announcing two innovations in how we report on and publish these materials. Both measures are designed to ensure that reporting on the archive continues in as expeditious and informative a manner as possible, in accordance with the agreements we entered into with our source about how these materials would be disclosed, a framework that he, and we, have publicly described on numerous occasions.
The first measure involves the publication of large batches of documents. We are, beginning today, publishing in installments the NSA’s internal SIDtoday newsletters, which span more than a decade beginning after 9/11. We are starting with the oldest SIDtoday articles, from 2003, and working our way through the most recent in our archive, from 2012. Our first release today contains 166 documents, all from 2003, and we will periodically release batches until we have made public the entire set. The documents are available on a special section of The Intercept.
The SIDtoday documents run a wide gamut: from serious, detailed reports on top secret NSA surveillance programs to breezy, trivial meanderings of analysts’ trips and vacations, with much in between. Many are self-serving and boastful, designed to justify budgets or impress supervisors. Others contain obvious errors or mindless parroting of public source material. But some SIDtoday articles have been the basis of significant revelations from the archive.
Accompanying the release of these documents are summaries of the content of each, along with a story about NSA’s role in Guantánamo interrogations, a lengthy roundup of other intriguing information gleaned from these files, and a profile of SIDtoday. We encourage other journalists, researchers, and interested parties to comb through these documents, along with future published batches, to find additional material of interest. Others may well find stories, or clues that lead to stories, that we did not. (To contact us about such finds, see the instructions here.) A primary objective of these batch releases is to make that kind of exploration possible.
Consistent with the requirements of our agreement with our source, our editors and reporters have carefully examined each document, redacted names of low-level functionaries and other information that could impose serious harm on innocent individuals, and given the NSA an opportunity to comment on the documents to be published (the NSA’s comments resulted in no redactions other than two names of relatively low-level employees that we agreed, consistent with our long-standing policy, to redact). Further information about how we prepared the documents for publication is available in a separate article. We believe these releases will enhance public understanding of these extremely powerful and secretive surveillance agencies.
The other innovation is our ability to invite outside journalists, including from foreign media outlets, to work with us to explore the full Snowden archive.
From the start of our reporting on the archive, a major component of our approach has been to partner with foreign (and other American) media outlets rather than try to keep all the material for ourselves. We have collectively shared documents with more than two dozen media outlets, and teams of journalists in numerous countries have thus worked with and reported on Snowden documents (that’s independent of the other media outlets which have long possessed large portions of the Snowden archive — the Washington Post, the New York Times, The Guardian, ProPublica). This partnership approach has greatly expedited the reporting, and also ensured that stories that most affect specific countries are reported by the journalists who best understand those countries.
But allowing other journalists full access to the archive presented security and legal challenges that took time and resources to resolve. We now feel comfortable that we can do so consistent with the responsibility demanded by these materials and our agreement with our source. We have begun to provide archive access to journalists from Le Monde and other media outlets in collaboration with The Intercept’s editorial, research, legal, and technology teams. We are excited by the reporting this new arrangement will generate.
There are still many documents of legitimate interest to the public that can and should be disclosed. There are also documents in the archive that we do not believe should be published because of the severe harm they would cause innocent people (e.g., private communications intercepted by NSA, the disclosure of which would destroy privacy rights; and documents containing government speculation about bad acts committed by private individuals (typically from marginalized communities), the disclosure of which would permanently destroy reputations).
An archive of this significance and size obviously presents complicated questions about how best to report on it. There is rarely one easy, obvious answer how to do it. Different leaks may require different approaches. I’ve always believed that WikiLeaks’ reporting on and disclosure of the materials provided by Chelsea Manning and other sources have been superb. But that does not mean that it is the only viable framework, or the optimal tactical approach, for all leaks. Moreover, different whistleblowers have their own conditions and demands for how the material can be disclosed, which any ethical journalist must obviously honor in full.
We have navigated these difficult and sometimes conflicting values in deciding how best to report on this massive archive. These two new approaches will, we believe, facilitate reporting and disclosure while fulfilling our obligations to the public and to our source.
Related Stories:
http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21615871-everything-people-do-online-avidly-followed-advertisers-and-third-party
Reposting an interesting story. I believe this is the basis and playground of the NSA for their spying. Please also see Echelon report section 1.6. It speaks how the NSA operates in areas that have little or no regulation.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN
Then consider SID dated 3/31/2003. THE VERY FIRST SID. In it, the author is thanking an advertising/marketing company for the developing the software they they are using.
Yes, again, my post took over 24 hours to reach the intended thread. I guess someone doesn’t like it when I post certain explanatory items on TI website….I wonder why….
Here is a little background from the first link I think every commenter should read.
(“Third-party” data are gathered by thousands of specialist firms across the web. “We have this tremendous growth of companies that people do not talk about as household names,” says Mahi de Silva, the boss of Opera Mediaworks, a mobile-advertising company that is one of them. To gather information about users and help serve appropriate ads, sites often host a slew of third parties that observe who comes to the site and build up digital dossiers about them.)
The firm is MultiMedia Solutions
https://www.multimediasolutions.com/services
To get an idea about why with the current pace it is going to take 600+ years to publish Snowden’s documents, one must read the following article by a Japanese journalist:
Saving Agent Snowden From His Handlers Greenwald & Omidyar. Very interesting facts and interpretation…
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Saving_Agent_Snowden_From_His_Handlers_Greenwald_%26_Omidyar
Here, I copied the section of your so-called ‘reference’ that most apply applies to you…lol.
“Also represented is the In-Q-Tel spin-off Palantir, which creates fictive personas or virtual trolls to mount smear campaigns to debunk or threaten journalists and critical websites online and in letters to editors”
Sound familiar?……”virtual troll trying to mount a smear campaign against journalists”…..wow…i’ve heard of “Outing yourself” but this is too funny.
Congrats! Great research……lol
The signal to noise ratio in this thread is among the worst that I have ever seen on a Greenwald piece.
herson IS Non’Importante
Nothing like a sockpuppet to try to call someone being attacked by sockpuppets a sockpuppet. I love America.
I feel I owe you and other commenters a personal apology for my part in the noise. Idiots like herson are either being paid to write what they say or are truly loving the sound of their own empty comments. sorry bill.
Sorry for my part in the noise Bill.
Thought thick, high sloping, cranial plates were out of style. I guess not.
Edward Snowden’s data dump: Where’s the beef?
What a stupid question: they are all vegans there. So expect heavily processed meat-substitute GM patties…
“Cryptome, a digital library site especially for whistle blowers, began to keep a count of the released data versus the total number of pages. On May 14, 2016, Cryptome estimated that at its current rate of release, it would take as many as 620 years for the public to see all of the Snowden documents. On May 16, 2016, Omidyar’s Intercept released a fully-searchable tranche of 166 Snowden documents and promised that more are on the way. Sadly, this pace may take more than six hundred years as there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of documents to be released.
Edward Snowden said that he wanted to start a bottom-up revolution. The drip-drip-drip of the Snowden documents is the best way to ensure document release without revolution! I can’t help but wonder what’s going on with The Intercept and Glenn Greenwald… ”
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/343993-edward-snowdens-data-dump-intercept/
Within months, documents had been obtained and published by media outlets worldwide, most notably The Guardian (Britain), Der Spiegel (Germany), The Washington Post and The New York Times (U.S.), O Globo (Brazil), Le Monde (France), and similar outlets in Sweden, Canada, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, and Australia.[101]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
Since Wikipedia is the only thing your simple brain understands. Here. Why devote your efforts to just Greenwald? Others have toys for you to play with too.
Run along now.
Two New Reports For Immediate Release:
Room 641A is a telecommunication interception facility operated by AT&T for the U.S. National Security Agency that commenced operations in 2003. Room 641A is located in the SBC Communications building at 611 Folsom Street, San Francisco, three floors of which were occupied by AT&T. It is fed by fiber optic lines from beam splitters installed in fiber optic trunks carrying Internet backbone traffic and has access to all Internet traffic that passes through the building, and therefore “the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic.”[4] Former director of the NSA’s World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, William Binney, has estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities have been installed throughout the United States.
Stellar Wind program: The program’s activities involve data mining of a large database of the communications of American citizens, including e-mail communications, telephone conversations, financial transactions, and Internet activity. NSA has highly secured rooms that tap into major switches, and satellite communications at both AT&T and Verizon.
BUT WAIT! THIS WAS BEFORE INTERCEPT’S “REVELATIONS.” Go figure…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Wind
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-surveillance-architecture-includes-collection-of-revealing-internet-phone-metadata/2013/06/15/e9bf004a-d511-11e2-b05f-3ea3f0e7bb5a_story.html
Here is the story for your footnote #4 above with regards to your BIG find about StellarWind you Shill. lol
Enjoy. It’s a Washington Post article from June of 2013….Hey WAIT, I know that Date….isn’t that the same MONTH that Snowden revealed the NSA program?
WOW, and if you click on the link and look at the pretty picture..what is it? YEP, you got it. PRISM.
You’re such government drone herson. lol
Go Figure….
There is nothing to figure. The article was updated in 2013, but the original disclosures were in 2003, 2006 and 2009.
Reading comprehension problems? That’s OK. You can learn to improve… :)
Prove it. Post the original article and not some wiki page….
And still waiting for that proof on your conspiracy theory. Unfortunately you’re unable to to learn as you’ve shown.
What’s ghe matter? Can’t click on a link? Here, this is March 2012:
https://www.wired.com/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1
Should I tell you the line # where it talks about At&t’s secret NSA room or you will find it yourself?
And by the way, did you know that Wikipedia is a good tool as a reference point? See, you have just learned a few new things. You are welcome… LOL.
Here is more about At&t secret room 641A all before 2013:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
Instructions: click on the link; wait for the page to load; read the article; identify relevant footnotes; and click, wait, read. You’ll get better with practice.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-nsa-collect-it-all
yes, Greenwald reported on that as well. I think you are trying to say unless Greenwald is the ONLY source for ALL disclosures, his work is invalid…..LOL. God, you’re stupid.
I read about at the time. What the previous disclosures lacked were actual documents and a person who could corroborate them.
In June 2013 the Washington Post and the Guardian published an OIG draft report, dated March 2009, leaked by Edward Snowden detailing the Stellarwind program.[1][10] No doubt remained about the continuing nature of the surveillance program.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Wind
From your own link, shill Enjoy!
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-nsa-collect-it-all
just in case you shut your eyes to the posts below. You’re kind of a cherry-picker like that.
Still waiting for the 2003 article you promised. Can’t deliver, can you.
“Still waiting for the 2003 article you promised. Can’t deliver, can you.”
Research William Binney and his leaks….
Then you are going to ask for 2002 article, then 2001 etc…
The point of my posts was that Greenwald’s “disclosres” has provided no new information, no information that hadn’t already been disclosed prior to 2013, and I provided plenty of evidence of that including actual articles, as opposed to just Wikipedia.
You know the saying: 1 idiot can ask so many questions than 100 smart people won’t be able to answer. I am respectfully of the opinion that you belong to the first category.
Regards…
Just like Non’Importante burys threads…
What’s the legal definition of ‘American Person’? Asking for a friend.
Does your friend bury threads?
Do your friends interdict hardware? Asking for a friend.
I said it before and I will keep on saying it: Glen Greenwald needs to run for president as a spoiler. Hillary and Donald need to lose votes to someone with integrity.
And additionally, Glen could raise important issues that otherwise would not get addresses, such as a full pardon for Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning.
Sadly Edward Snowden is too young to run for president himself.
If it bleeds it leads.
What is news?
Could anyone have possibly known that the pivot from “you are certifiably insane to believe the government is spying on everyone” to “everyone already knew the government was spying on everyone” would be so seamless?
That’s got to be news of some kind.
News is the most deceptive form of information, but at the same time, the most photographed. News is like beauty. If beauty were a circling helicopter shot of sixteen dead in multi car pile up.
Information, like sex and music and comedy (the mirepoix), benefits tremendously from repetition and thought. To fetishize and worship the virginity of news is to miss out not only on the intellectualization of the passions, but even more importantly–the challenge and feedback of a partner.
What is interesting is that everyone knows that the child bride of “news” will be replaced with a younger model tomorrow, but they still insist on having a wedding.
Don’t get me wrong. Youth is great. How can you not love comedy that is optimistic? But information is better when it has been around the block a few times–if you know what I mean.
Unfortunately, media outlets in the United states hav an S&M fetish. They just love the leather mask over their eyes, prefer to just repeat their master’s wishes and have that Lil red ball stuck in their mouths. ;)
And we all know who their TOP is.
“Could anyone have possibly known that the pivot from “you are certifiably insane to believe the government is spying on everyone” to “everyone already knew the government was spying on everyone” would be so seamless?”
So if the government IS spying on everyone for pennies a day (and that’s no longer a paranoid fantasy) that means they have everything they need to frame harrass or defame everyone for pennies a day.
Little help Mona? Kitt?
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Another unprecedented leak
“Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the CSE, the Canadian equivalent of the National Security Agency, told the news program 60 Minutes… {that NSA} eavesdrops on many average people at any given moment and how, depending on what you say either in an email or over the telephone, you could end up on an NSA watch list. “While I was at CSE, a classic example: A lady had been to a school play the night before, and her son was in the school play and she thought he did a – a lousy job. Next morning, she was talking on the telephone to her friend, and she said to her friend something like this, ‘Oh, Danny really bombed last night,’ just like that,” Frost said. “The computer spit that conversation out. The analyst that was looking at it was not too sure about what the conversation was referring to, so erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady and her phone number in the database as a possible terrorist.”
Electronic signals are captured and analyzed through a series of supercomputers known as dictionaries, which are programmed to search through each communication for targeted addresses, words, phrases, and sometimes individual voices. The communication is then sent to the National Security Agency for review. Some of the more common sample key words that the NSA flags are: terrorism, plutonium, bomb, militia, gun, explosives, Iran, Iraq, sources said.
Because {NSA} can easily spy on Americans without any oversight or detection, and because Echelon covers such a wide spectrum of communication, many current and former NSA officials said that it’s likely the agency used its {powers} to target Americans.
“Under [several progrmas], the NSA and certain foreign intelligence agencies throw an extremely wide net over virtually all electronic communications world-wide. There are no warrants. No probable cause requirements. No FISA court. And information is intercepted that is communicated solely between US citizens within the US, which may not be the purpose of the program but, nonetheless, is a consequence of the program.”
DATED JULY 15, 2009
http://pubrecord.org/nation/2290/revisiting-echelon-nsas/
Read the date again…
Holds forth
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/08/federal-court-finds-warrantless.html?m=1
NEWSFLASH: Greenwald reports on NSA warrant less eavesdropping.
AUGUST 17, 2006
Yes, read that date again!
Still up to your lying deceptive ways I see. Just quit your government hack job and find real work..lol
And yet again you are deceiving: Greenwald’s 2006 article discloses nothing; it reports nothing. He is just commenting on a court decision in a Bush era case.
Give it up: you can’t defend the indefensible: this outlet has sold off to the government for silver and the dealer is papa Omidyar.
You said, “And yet again you are deceiving: ”
I just love the “No I’m not, You are!” argument. Haven’t heard that since 3rd grade…..so allow me to retort with, I know you are so what am I? LOL
You conveniently set aside your own arguments at will and continue to do so even when the truth is staring so keenly into your eyes. And I just love the pettiness of your response.
This is how I know your a government shill.
1. Most honest people will admit to new evidence when it’s presented to them.
2. Only people who are being paid would go to as much trouble as you do to continue the same disproven lies.
commenting = reporting and it proves that he was reporting on it LONG before the bogus 2009 re-hash article you posted, which is of course, the reason you point to the date.
And I’m still waiting for your proof on your conspiracy theory. Feel free to call your mom into the argument or pout in your room like a spoiled child.
Crapflooding empty words won’t do you any good. I said you were deceiving and I pointed exactly where: you put Snowden and Greenwald on one side, which they are not. Greenwald is a Marxist hack who have no idea what real journalism is. Snowden is most likely a sincere individual who had many documents. He gave them to Greenwald who craps NSA travel flyers after 3 years of silence. But at the same time, guess what: millions of pieces of silver from Omidyar, books and movies. You will never see real leaks from Greenwald: he sold off to the devil (papa Omidyar), who is making sure public will never see real disclosures…
Garbage In-Garbage Out.
You got that one down pat.
Still waiting for that proof, but we know it will never come.
Tell me, do you hear voices in your head telling you things? I think that jingle of silver you hear is your government paycheck. ha ha ha
BREAKING NEWS: herson fits BOTH feet in mouth! Chokes on own lies!
herson IS Non’Importante
Ignore that person. Confirm is a sock puppet. Also confirm that person replying to you trying to say I am “herson” is a sock puppet. I replied to an earlier post of yours but one of my cats jumped on the network cable again so it didn’t post. They’re trying to get to you. Don’t let them.
herson ? Non’Importante
May 24 2016, 1:07 p.m.
We bury threads.
Seems like a serious mental health issue going on here. Kind of reminds me of Gollum for some reason.
I do agree that the National Security State resembles Gollum, yes. I do not believe, however, that there’s a Smeagol underneath, just fantasizing about frollicking around chasing fishies in streams. More like Sauron.
@Glenn Greenwald, et al:
Assuming you guys DID decide to do your (much despised) analytics, you might find it interesting to track the postings of certain commenters against raised or lowered incidence of sock puppetry. It might prove edifying.
I used to BURY THREADS like herson and Non’Importante but I found a 12 step program and turned my life around.
The first step is admitting you need help.
The second step is up to you Thread Pusher.
If he’s being paid to bury threads, then he does it for income. It matters not, as he has chosen this line of work. ie…beyond help or redemption.
You don’t sound like the Useful Idiots that used to post around here. I’m surprised they allow that sort of thing.
Anyway not sure what you’re saying. The only program I am aware of that I need is that ‘Constitution’ thing… way more than 12 of those Amendments tho. Anyway, enjoy your illustrious career, troll.
If you want to gain an inside view of “innocence” at the NSA you want to read the account of Karen Stewart, who was fired for, as it seems, honestly believing in NSA mottos about “defending the ‘truth’ …”
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/04/nsa-whistleblower-karen-stewart-speaks-candidly-illegal-criminal-nsa-fbi-programs-organized-stalking-electronic-harassment-usa-abroad.html
Here are my favorite segments:
RCL
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/intercept-broadening-access-snowden-archive-why/
RCL
$ date
Sat May 21 20:33:45 EDT 2016
Glenn on §a you/TheIntercept definitely get a passing grade even if nowhere near a perfect score. You have indeed contextualized those documents, but (IMO) not entirely well covering their true reach, as well as in their proper and true dimensions.
On §b, don’t take it from me. As I have pointed out before, John Oliver did masterfully illustrate why and how you have failed miserably:
// __ Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Government Surveillance (HBO)
youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
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Don’t you find §b a bit “responsible”? What makes you think you have the right or “responsibility” to stand in the way of people knowing how they are being played, blackmailed, harassed, persecuted and, in many cases, experimented with and even tortured and fatally hit by their governments?
It may all be a terminological misunderstanding and you definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt, what exactly do you mean when you say “make them ‘digestible’ to the public”?
On §c, I would agree with you against the Catholic Church when they claimed that “… the innocence of the human soul was corrupted by the seduction of the serpent …”
In fact, I happen to personally know “Innocence”. She is a sensual, witty, downright good looking and sexually appealing girl who used to walk the streets of Havana. Rappers have even dedicated to her a hip-hop tune: “little princess”
// __ Los Aldeanos – Princesita
youtube.com/watch?v=33fc_ZTKJVo
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“Innocence”, “Faith”, “Hope” and “Charity” know each other well. They are just not the same kinds of girls.
Yet, the “Innocence” that matters to me when it comes to such issues, is the one of thousands of children, women and men being killed by USG without even having a clue as to why they are being killed or having the power of abstraction to understand what “signature strikes” are or the “logical” perversity of “freedom-loving” double-tapping strikes institutionalized by “God bless ‘America'” U.S. President Obama. The “Innocence” of those whose mental prowess can’t even begin to understand how those agents in the collateral murder video (“innocently” assuming they would never be heard, their actions seen) make fun of the people they are killing even mockingly saying (something along the lines of): “they well deserve it for being at ‘the wrong place at the wrong moment'” … Most likely they won’t be able to understand what you mean by “innocence” either (something you/TheIntercept could yourself test)
I think anyone with a healthy sense of reality could see a difference in kind and degree between different types of “innocences”: serving as a SRC snitch or pressing a joystick to “surgically” kill dozens of unsuspecting people, who may have not had a chance to sense, let along conceptualize their lives’ fate; or the self-servingly chosen pretentious innocence of the German government when they claimed to have taken at face value the answer of their gringo counterpart about the base at Ramstein/Germany or probably it is all about the innocence of Maxwell’s formulation of electromagnetism, which makes the speed of light a seemingly innocent invariant; yet, fast enough to enable the military command centers in the U.S. to operate real time their drones on the other side of the globe in their version of 24×7 sigint world wide war; or the innocence robed from many children in the middle East who fear playing outdoors, would rather remain inside drawing drones and having nightmares about themselves or their loved ones being killed by one …
Well, yes, comedians are included as “interested parties”, too, right?
Quite a bit of obfuscation in that paragraph. It seems to have come straight from U.S. Academia.
Again the word of the day seems to be “innocence”. It seems to have become the “I was just following orders” of our days. If you think of it, terrorists are downright “innocence” as well. They hate, kill us “for having a free media”.
Should we thank the Intercept for their “innocence”, too?
Oh, thank you very much the Intercept! Not only are you “keeping your editorial standards” and “taking into consideration NSA’s opinions” (I would love to just enjoy the prosody of those conversations), but also you seem to have the literary touch not to forget about Dante’s depictions of the underworld.
Ha! That was a joke, right? Thank you for keeping your sense of humor alive. “Journalists who best understand those countries” are also the best ones at lying to and manipulating “We the people” in “those countries”
I wonder if I am the only one who notices how common doublespeak has become. You don’t have to be an EL major or a computer programmer to notice the huge bug biting that statement’s butt.
Are we talking here about the kind of stuff that Michael Hastings was about to reveal? He however died “innocently”, indeed …
Again, am I the only one who notices how common doublespeak has become? Even by those supposedly fighting against it?
Glenn, we consider you smart and knowledgeable enough to see that (whatever you mean by) “privacy rights” “‘will’ not be ‘destroyed'” by you or the Intercept. In fact, we consider you smart, knowledgeable and morally grounded enough to realize it is your effing job as a journalist to raise public awareness about such issues. Why is it that Western media talks about all kinds of sh!t (true, imagined, as a way to justify their own …) about the stasi, the KGB, that Chinese Internet Wall, … but not about their own?
Do you, guys, remember that “Socrates of the NSA”? (just saying such a thing would sound as odd to anyone with some healthy sense of reality):
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/11/surveillance-philosopher-nsa/
We quickly indeed figured out who that insufferably idiotic “NSA patriot” was. Has anything happened to that idiot (not caused by his own idiocy)? What do those NSA morons think of themselves? I mean at the point that some people even believe someone to be “‘the’ Socrates of the NSA” you could expect they also have a “Saint Francis of the torture teams of the CIA”. Do those NSA kinds of morons really believe morality is a closed-doors, “patriotic”, “by invitation-only” club membership thing?
Why should we respect “their innocence”? They don’t have anything to hide right? You can say that Peter McIntyre works even as a low level mechanic or janitor for the U.S. Air force. Why can’t you say he works for the NSA?
We consider you smart, knowledgeable, morally grounded enough and with plenty of prior art, “precedence” (if you prefer that wording) backing your actions to realize what is the right thing to do. Imagine the collateral murder video had been “‘redacted’ to standards”. Sting’s song’s stanza (from when we used to have songs) goes: “If You Love Somebody Set Them Free” …
// __ If You Love Somebody Set Them Free
youtube.com/watch?v=LSGl3d4KOMk
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You can’t possibly understand, respect truth and then see yourself in the “responsible” position of compromising it so that it becomes “digestible to the public”
WikiLeaks did not only show the raw footage of that video but did identify every single person affected in the video (even the mother of the kids whose husband was killed while “innocently” and “unsuspectingly” acting on their sense of humanity) and visited them to show them what actually happened.
IMO, until they “watch the(ir own) monkeys get hurt” and they are forced to “shock their monkeys to life” it will all be “jogo belo” in order to “help” them get to that point we will have to “Fox the fox”, “Rat the rat” and “ape the ape” …
// __ Peter Gabriel – Shock The Monkey
youtube.com/watch?v=CnVf1ZoCJSo
~
At times I wonder if you understand you are trying to speak a language of “morality”, “humanity” to the NSA, politicians, military and police.
Not long ago a good friend of mine let me know about Karen Stewart
Initially she was furious about my opinion
But, she then may have seen “the light” and we have become friends of friends of the same cause.
~
truth and peace and love,
RCL
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Sat May 21 20:33:45 EDT 2016
Or just Google: Akwei vs NSA, to learn the real secrets..
@greenwald, @poitras, @jenna
Please see the Echelon report’s section 1.6 where the author notes that the threat to privacy comes from the fact that Echelon operates in an area with little or no legislation.
This also seems true for data gathering from marketing and advertising firm conducting business on the Internet.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN
Thank you Glenn! Thank you TIC!
Bravo to those behind sourcing “The Assassination Complex: Inside the Government’s Secret …”!
As “sources” themselves stated there will always be those would will risk pretty much everything in order to remind Obama (all other politicians) of his -initial-, very specific farting about “Transparency”, “Open Government” and “Trust” …
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment
“My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.”
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Bravo to Assange! Bravo to Manning! Bravo to Snowden! Bravo to Ellsberg!
Bravo to all of use who refuse to “patriotically” and “freedom-lovingly” be part of their b#llsh!t
Thank you for making Newspeak easier to understand for all of us not that versed at that skill and, by the way, I couldn’t care less about “my mother’s sexcapades”. In fact, I would be glad to know of it since being sexually active is a sign a good health. Great, mom, go for it!
I am afraid, however, this is not what they really care about to any extent.
Karl Marx’ phrase from “A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right”:
“Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people”
The common denominator in the way The Dalai Lama, Marx and many other conscious thinkers have been framing their puzzlement about the human condition ever since I would simplify as: “People is stupid because people is stupid”
RCL
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Sat May 21 04:09:22 EDT 2016
Yes, Comrade!
Greenwald has been known to attend Marxist gatherings. He is also known to attend and speak the CAIR, a radical Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim Brotherhood front organization. Several members of this organization have been convicted on terrorism related charges. During the speech in front of them Glenn said the following:
““there really is no organization with which I’d rather be spending my time, or with which I feel more at home than CAIR.”
http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/snowden-reporter-featured-at-radical-muslim-event/
OMG! Shocking! Not only that, I heard that he’s appeared at the NYU School of Law. All decent citizens should band together and put a stop to this!
Right, CAIR is a Brotherhood-front, terrorist organization, according to Ted Cruz and the universally-admired government of the UAE, practitioner of Sharia, recognizer of the Taliban in Afghanistan, participant in the KSA attacks on Yemen, and the biggest spender among all foreign governments trying to influence US policy.
As the NY TImes published in 2007, “. . . more than one [U.S. government official] described the standards used by critics to link CAIR to terrorism as akin to McCarthyism, essentially guilt by association.”
If you intend to persist in posting nasty nonsense, at least do a little homework, so that your bullshit will appear plausible, even though it’s a pack of lies.
You should read the link you post: it provides no facts. Here are the facts:
CAIR: Islamists Fooling the Establishment
“The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), headquartered in Washington, is perhaps the best-known and most controversial Muslim organization in North America. CAIR presents itself as an advocate for Muslims’ civil rights and the spokesman for American Muslims…. .
But there is another side to CAIR that has alarmed many people in positions to know. The Department of Homeland Security refuses to deal with it. Senator Charles Schumer (Democrat, New York) describes it as an organization “which we know has ties to terrorism.”[3] Senator Dick Durbin (Democrat, Illinois) observes that CAIR is “unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations with groups that are suspect.”[4] Steven Pomerantz, the FBI’s former chief of counterterrorism, notes that “CAIR, its leaders, and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups.”[5] The family of John P. O’Neill, Sr., the former FBI counterterrorism chief who perished at the World Trade Center, named CAIR in a lawsuit as having “been part of the criminal conspiracy of radical Islamic terrorism”[6] responsible for the September 11 atrocities. Counterterrorism expert Steven Emerson calls it “a radical fundamentalist front group for Hamas.”
Terrorists in Its Midst
Randall (“Ismail”) Royer, an American convert to Islam, served as CAIR’s communications specialist and civil rights coordinator; today he sits in jail on terrorism-related charges. In June 2003, Royer and ten other young men, ages 23 to 35, known as the “Virginia jihad group,” were indicted on forty-one counts of “conspiracy to train for and participate in a violent jihad overseas.” The defendants, nine of them U.S. citizens, were accused of association with Lashkar-e-Taiba, a radical Islamic group designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. Department of State in 2001. They were also accused of meeting covertly in private homes and at the Islamic Center in Falls Church to prepare themselves for battle by listening to lectures and watching videotapes.[21] As the prosecutor noted, “Ten miles from Capitol Hill in the streets of northern Virginia, American citizens allegedly met, plotted, and recruited for violent jihad.”[22] According to Matthew Epstein of the Investigative Project, Royer helped recruit the others to the jihad effort while he was working for CAIR. The group trained at firing ranges in Virginia and Pennsylvania; in addition, it practiced “small-unit military tactics” at a paintball war-games facility in Virginia, earning it the moniker, the “paintball jihadis.”[23] Eventually members of the group traveled to Pakistan.
Five of the men indicted, including CAIR’s Royer, were found to have had in their possession, according to the indictment, “AK-47-style rifles, telescopic lenses, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and tracer rounds, documents on undertaking jihad and martyrdom, [and] a copy of the terrorist handbook containing instructions on how to manufacture and use explosives and chemicals as weapons.”[24]
After four of the eleven defendants pleaded guilty, the remaining seven, including Royer, were accused in a new, 32-count indictment of yet more serious charges: conspiring to help Al-Qaeda and the Taliban battle American troops in Afghanistan”
http://www.meforum.org/916/cair-islamists-fooling-the-establishment
@herson
your kind is very much welcome here. It keeps your immunity alive.
Fix a bit your turk first (just go “Settings” > “semantic coherence” and set it a little higher). It is way too erratic to even make people pay any attention to it
RCL
To match your turk, I’ll have to go Cuba or Venezuela and take a course in Marxism-Leninism-Trotskism-CheGuevarism and then run out of other people’s money…
I wonder if you even get that I am trying to help you:
Now:
1) on: “Settings” > “semantic coherence”
2) Click on the tab: “i18n”
3) On the left, check: “Proper names and Last names”
4) Select on the “Language” menu box: “Spanish”
5) slide down (less determining) the setting
6) Click on apply and close -tab- (not window!)
Then, while still on the “i18n” tab of “Settings” > “semantic coherence”
7) On the right, click on: “Demonyms”
8) Select on the “Language” menu box: “Spanish”
9) slide down (less determining) the setting
Again, you are welcome at TI. We need your kinds of idiotic noise and crazy @ss arguing, but at the very least learn well your turk GUI interfaces!
They say a tool is as good as the person using it, right? Besides, we tax payers fund your line of work, so be thankful by being a little mindful, effective at whatever you are trying to achieve as part of your job.
RCL
Exactly. If they’re going to get paid to do this sort of stuff, shouldn’t they at least demonstrate a minimal level of competence? Not trolling you, here, RCL. I’m just tired of seeing sociopaths get paid (with benefits) to do what, essentially, 14-year-olds do for free. On the premise of ‘wire together, fire together’, too, I worry about the future of ‘intelligence services’ if this is supposed to be a gateway job towards a management track. Or maybe it just guarantees they get a goodly number of sociopathically-oriented leaders. Either way, they need to learn that obfuscation doesn’t have to mean disrespecting the native language of their forbears.
Thank you Glenn!
“Glenn isn’t any sort of radical, except for his radical commitments to free speech, and to a free and adversarial press, and to simple fairness and decency.”
I agree, he is not radical. He is fundamentalist with (using the language of Charlie Hebdo) shit in his eyes.
Here is an example: shortly after Charlie Hebdo’s staff being brutally murdered by Islamic terrorists, he wrote an article where he posted cartoon pictures of Jews with hooked noses to be even.
Here is the difference: Charlie Hebdo laughed at Islam (Religion), because their motto is:
“Charlie Hebdo is a punch in the face….
Against those who try to stop us thinking.
Against those who fear imagination.
Against those who don’t like us to laugh.
Charlie Hebdo is an angry magazine, a paper that takes the piss.
It’s a weekly with a wallop, a digest with a dream.
It’s a periodical that argues and a journal that thinks.
It’s a gazette of the grotesque – because that’s what so much of life and politics is.
It’s a rag that has nothing to lose in the afterlife for the laudably simple reason that there is no afterlife.
Charlie Hebdo has no need of God, nor any need of Wall Street. Charlie doesn’t need two cars and three cellphones to be happy.
To be happy, Charlie Hebdo draws, writes, interviews, ponders and laughs at everything on this earth which is ridiculous, giggles at all that is absurd or preposterous in life. Which is to say – very nearly everything.
Because life is so awfully short that it would be a pity to spend it whining in dismay instead of laughing it up a storm.”
That’s real free speech.
But if you notice, they would never laugh at the Blacks, because they have black skin or at Arabs, because some of them are “brown.”
Greenwald is “laughing” at the Jews for having hooked noses. That’s shit in the eyes
Greenwald is a fundamentalist of his own speech…
herson=Troll!
Yes. For sure. An obvious one. Divert, distract, disrupt.
So boring.
A sidebar: Chelsea Manning has formally filed her appeal.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/19/chelsea-manning-files-appeal-against-conviction
The Army Court of Criminal Appeals is the first of two appellate levels in military courts, the next one being the US Court of Appeals of the Armed Forces. I don’t hold out much hope with the ACCA but USCAAF might take a dim view of the procedural abuses in the Manning case, being 1) the 3-year delay of trial from arrest to court-martial, against regulations, 2) undue command influence brought on the proceedings, something USCAAF really dislikes, and 3) Pvt. Manning’s mistreatment in pretrial custody.
Of course, it’s now been three years since conviction, six years almost to the day since her arrest, and this proceeding may take another year before the next round of appeals.
To those who claim that “disclosures” provide unprecedented and never heard before information. Apart from engaging in ad hominem attacks, they are simply wrong. Let’s take a look at this Wikipedia page:
“ECHELON, originally a secret government code name, is a surveillance program (signals intelligence / SIGINT collection and analysis network) operated on behalf of the five signatory nations to the UKUSA Security Agreement[1]—Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States, also known as the Five Eyes.[2][3][4]
The ECHELON program was created in the late 1960s to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War, and was formally established in 1971.[5][6]
By the end of the 20th century, the system referred to as “ECHELON” had allegedly evolved beyond its military and diplomatic origins, to also become “…a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications.”
Notice familiar language: SIGINT collection; Five Eyes; global system for the interception of private and commercial communications. This was before Snowden was even born and Greenwald was about 10 years old.
“Britain’s The Guardian newspaper summarized the capabilities of the ECHELON system as follows:
A global network of electronic spy stations that can eavesdrop on telephones, faxes and computers. It can even track bank accounts. This information is stored in Echelon computers, which can keep millions of records on individuals.”
Feel free to read down the article with more public disclosures. You will find similar language. You can’t make this stuff up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
Here is a Guardian article dated May 29, 2001:
“So what’s the problem with Echelon?
It isn’t only industry that’s at risk. The report says that in the process of industrial spying, Echelon is eavesdropping on millions of daily communications between ordinary people.
The worry is that Echelon could become a cyber secret police, eroding individuals’ right to privacy. The MEPs have warned the government that Britain could be in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights because of its participation in Echelon.
As National Security Agency expert James Bamford explains in his book Body of Secrets: “The real issue is whether Echelon is doing away with individual privacy, a basic human right.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/may/29/qanda.janeperrone
And while at that 2001 Guardian aricle, scroll down to related articles for this:
Related articles
26.05.2001: Leaked spy report names UK
26.05.2001: Worldwide spying network is revealed
25.04.2001: Britain is untrustworthy, say MEPs in spy enquiry
Body of Secrets by James Bamford
Echelon watch – Cyber-Rights and Cyber-Liberties (UK)
Committee on the Echeleon interception system – European parliament
Echelon: America’s Secret Global Surveillance Network, by Patrick S Poole
GCHQ
National Security Agency
Echelon – Federation of American Scientists
The only thing we did not know before was the name Prism…
None of this even suggests the specifics revealed by the Snowden documents and the analysis thereof by Greenwald, Poitras and their associates.
Your argument boils down to something like, “We sort of knew something related to what we actually learned later, so what we learned wasn’t new.”
Not good reasoning.
If you take away global surveillance of phones, emails, the internet and financial info on everybody and everything by the Five Eyes and others (and that info has been available for about 20 past years), all you get is the name Prism.
P.S. I have great respect for Snowden, but Greenwald, who in my view, is an opportunist, profiteer, bully and radical hack financed by a Guinness privacy champion Omidyar, is a different matter…
“Greenwald . . . and radical hack . . .”
Glenn isn’t any sort of radical, except for his radical commitments to free speech, and to a free and adversarial press, and to simple fairness and decency.
I, on the other hand, am a real radical. ;^)
“. . . a Guinness privacy champion Omidyar . . .”
Huh? Are you referring to the fact that the Omidyar Network and a Guinness-associated foundation are donors to Ashoka? Or what? And why would it matter? More guilt-by-association aspersions? Lame.
If I were in charge of the world, researching, writing, editing and publishing valuable work, as TI does, wouldn’t require soliciting or accepting funding from sources of questionable politics and ethics (if I were in charge, they wouldn’t have been allowed to accumulate that wealth), but I’m not in charge and it is required.
Remember Sutton’s Law.
The report you cite speaks about intercepting satellite communications relating to phone and radio. And the reported also stated these were only a fraction of communication that many governments employee.
Not exactly the same thing as gathering ALL communications of persons in the United states or globally, including email and Internet activities.
Your attempting to be deceptive in the scope, capabilities and commercial integration of what the Snowden files reveals.
Employee =employs
Stupid auto-correct
“The report you cite speaks about intercepting satellite communications relating to phone and radio.”
What part of “A global network of electronic spy stations that can eavesdrop on telephones, faxes and computers. It can even track bank accounts. This information is stored in Echelon computers, which can keep millions of records on individuals” do you not understand? It states telephone, faxes and computers. And it also says global eavesdropping able to keep millions of records on individuals.
This Intercept was a result of a successful nuttering of the ” journalists” involved. Note that I put journalists in quote and I attribute it to Greenwald, who in my view has never been a journalist.
You can call it selling to the powers that be for 200 mln pieces of silver or a con job to extract documents from Snowden, it really does not matter: what matters is that this outlet is a mouth piece for the 1% and they are intercepting nothing.
Again, you are attempting to deceive because the quote you are using are the CLAIMS OR ACCUSATIONS raised by the Echelon report, NOT the findings where it clearly states that the system is A) a quasi-system of surveillance, and B) ONLY is targeting satellites in orbit which ONLY accounts for a portion of communications.
Your nothing but a government shill trying to deceive the public and readers of the Intercept. Read the conclusions of the report, not just the intro.
In no way I am promoting any position related to the government. Nor do I condone mass survaillance. I happen to believe that the whole Snowden deal was a government operation to extract the documents from Snowden and drop him empty-handed in Moscow. And Greenwald played a prominent role in that.
Both your arguments have the same agenda. You attempt to discredit/minimize Greenwald /Snowden.
Argument#1: present false data and claim “old news”
Argument #2: present conspiracy theory with no facts or basis.
Both are deceptive. Provide factual basis for your conspiracy theory. Otherwise, you’re just a deceptive liar with an agenda.
And since the goal of your agenda is to help those who perpetrate surveillance, then you’re siding with the perpetrators. That’s why you’re a government shill.
“You attempt to discredit/minimize Greenwald /Snowden.”
This is where you are trying to deceive by putting Snowden and Greenwald on the same side. They are not. And I am not minimizing or discrediting Snowden. As I have already mentioned, I have great respect for Snowden. Greenwald/Omidyar & Co is a different matter and there is plenty of circumstantial evidence indicating they are not there to disclose, but rather to minimize disclosure. Just look at this recent “leak” of travel flyers for NSA staff, which, by the way, was preceeded by almost 2.5 years of silence. Is this news?! No, it is not. This publication is joke. If they are sitting on real leaks, you would never see them: Papa Omidyar does not approve.
Logical fallacy, there, confusing outcome for causality. And perhaps ridiculous even to make that suggestion (despite the fact that I have occasionally suggested that that’s the outcome): To think one can outthink all possible ‘positive’ outcomes for a government that has billions of dollars and thousands of people just to think up an endless number of useful outcomes is practically ridiculous. And that’s *before* you add in computing power and wargames to test out theories. If you’re *not* the troll I believe you are (cough) then do please explain to me how any one person, no less any population, can outdo that? Now combine multiple countries’ resources (not just America’s) and explain how THAT can be out-maneuvered. Nobody’s perfect. Nobody can be expected to be perfect. But those not in the top of the top of the IC are clearly Flatlanders. Being disappointed doesn’t call for kicking the messenger. GG still did more to try to help than pretty much almost any other media was willing to do; that we’ve failed as a populace to make use of the information we’ve been provided due to apathy or helplessness or cowardice or just not caring enough… that’s STILL on us — and we know enough by now to have been angered. That we haven’t done anything about it *ourselves* is something I’d suggest one look for personal insight viz.
Good thing you’re not promoting it, considering you can’t even spell it but you’re working for someone who supports it. C’est la vie, c’est la vie — just the way it goes. Some things will never change.
In response to several folks who claim “disclosures” are previously unheard of revelations:
For starters, check this Wikipedia about the Echelon Program:
“ECHELON, originally a secret government code name, is a surveillance program (signals intelligence / SIGINT collection and analysis network) operated on behalf of the five signatory nations to the UKUSA Security Agreement[1]—Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States, also known as the Five Eyes.[2][3][4]
The ECHELON program was created in the late 1960s to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War, and was formally established in 1971.[5][6]
By the end of the 20th century, the system referred to as “ECHELON” had allegedly evolved beyond its military and diplomatic origins, to also become “…a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications.”[7]”
Notice familiar language? SIGNT collection, Five Eyes, Global System for the interception of private and commercial communications.
Guardian: Britain’s The Guardian newspaper summarized the capabilities of the ECHELON system as follows:
A global network of electronic spy stations that can eavesdrop on telephones, faxes and computers. It can even track bank accounts. This information is stored in Echelon computers, which can keep millions of records on individuals.
This was before both Snowden was born and Greenwald was 6-10 years old.
Read on down and you will see public disclosures about NSA spying on other governments with examples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
To Greenwald’s Sock Puppets: you should stop your ad hominem attacks and if you want people to take your seriously, try to address the substance of an argument you don’t like
The problem with these documents is that they portray an organisation that’s actually pretty mundane, with a culture that seems the opposite of the crazy freedom-crushing fascists we know we should be afraid of. A big service to NSA, I fear.
I think the word you’re looking for is banal.
But yes, GG does perform a big service for the US Torture Community’s data provider.
The patriotic torturers who still collect paychecks and the tortured who still have no legal standing know exactly what I am talking about. A few others may know something about Hannah Arendt and a certain Mr. Eichmann. Meanwhile, GG protects the identities of the innocent and gets paid.
Nice work if you can get it.
Thank you The Intercept and Posters for a venue to expose the new STASI.
I’m so excited to see some of our favorite characters back in action here at the Intercept. Way to stick your head out above water and share some more about the problems the system does not seem willing to see in itself, sociopathic as it is. Now I just wish it were more recent. There are a lot of newspaper-like things in this cache of documents but I was hoping for more that affects us day to day and more recently. Isn’t publishing and redacting stuff that came out in 2003, regardless of how interesting and historical this is, especially in light of unofficial American torture doctrine and the unfettered cooperation for such things as drone strikes, basically publishing stuff we can’t do anything about and protecting the ‘wrong people’? I have no interest in pushing for, say, more information about the spying that is going on at this very minute, but it might be nice if we could have seen the most recent newsletters first instead of being presented with evidence of government-sponsored Capital crimes that’ll never get punished because ‘governments have more rights than people’. I’m concerned that by the time those papers are published they’ll be even less relevant than they’re already becoming as time passes as far as making changes are concerned — I’d especially be interested in seeing the things that went on before all of the candidates were chosen for the coming presidential election (and that’s coming to an end soon). I do appreciate your releasing these, though.
PS: Sorry if this came across as a bit harsh. I’m tired, and my proxy (SOCKS5 — totally underrated potential boy band name) is acting up.
;-)
At least pick one ‘name’ and stick with it. Thanks!
* Pick one ‘name’ that doesn’t insult or harass anybody, that is.
;-)
“What are you talking about, what are you talking about, what, oh what are you talking about?”
We bury threads.
“What are you talking about, what are you talking about, what, oh what are you talking about?”
Per Mona’s request, just below:
In the referenced thread, herson repeated the boring, arrant nonsense we have been hearing from certain sectors of the confidently ignorant . . .
. . . since, oh, let’s say Thursday, June 6, 2013, when the Prism program was exposed:
The accurate response to herson’s question, here, is the same as the proper response to the ignorantly-smug dismissiveness encountered since that Thursday almost three years ago: “Almost none of it was known. If you think otherwise, tell us specifically what you believe you knew and tell us how you knew it.”
Because, you see, Herr herson and fellow scoffers, guesses and imagination are not knowledge. Rumors are not knowledge. And retrospective claims of knowledge are not convincing.
If you want us to believe you “knew” about Prism, or XKeyscore, or any of the other of the projects or practices of the NSA suspicionless surveillance program revealed by Snowden, Greenwald, Poitras and the media outlets they enlisted (and founded), you need to tell us how you knew, show us the evidence that underlay your claimed knowledge.
If you can’t or won’t do that, we’ll just have to assume you’re spouting nonsense and bullshit.
“If you can’t or won’t do that, we’ll just have to assume you’re spouting nonsense and bullshit.”
There is one other choice you neglected. Deception.
The person writing this is assumed to be a troll. However, Bush administration regularly used this attitude to dissuade the public into thinking breaking news was just “old news”. Consider that this person may have an agenda that shouldn’t be dismissed in the way you dismissed him/her.
Sorry, meant to say the person you were responding to for Mona. cheers
“Consider that this person may have an agenda that shouldn’t be dismissed in the way you dismissed him/her.”
Well, there are plenty of operatives who have just the agenda you suggest, but I doubt that this particular troll is among them. This one appears to be a simple, run-of-the-mill hasbara hysteric with a single-minded focus on defending Zionist extremism. The “we’ve known this forever” accusation was just a lame attempt to discredit, Greenwald, TI and all of us “sock puppets.” ;^)
I believe it is a natural tendency for humans to want to know the truth, and want answers. Up to this point it’s fair to say the Government is a pro at misleading the masses and conveniently lies all the time.
It’s then fair to say, there is very good reason for the public to distrust all these agencies, because we’ve become accustomed to their lies, deception and proficiency at creating conflicts which engulf the world and threaten our way of life.
Thank you!
More of this, more often–and searchable, and no PDFs or third party downloads (at this point, your “techs” are just trying to be obnoxious)
Also, the Intercept should spend more energy protecting the privacy of average people than they do protecting the privacy of low-level NSA functionaries.
Your anonymity reflects your power. Everyone else is real-named, data-mined and data-raped in real time while the NSA escapes this data-hell with presumptive censorship until their identities can be purged and redacted–for their own protection of course.
Where is our protection?
Everything is backwards. Look at the hierarchy of anonymity and tell me if the power structure has changed?
I believe that government employees should sit at the bottom of the hierarchy of anonymity. To represent the public you must be public. It is a necessary sacrifice for a functioning democracy.
There is an argument that NSA employees deserve privacy and anonymity as individuals, not as NSA employees–but the media, who have been upskirting anyone they can trick to stand over their hidden cameras, are the last people who can make this argument credibly.
It is good that the media has finally found a reason to protect people’s privacy. That this privacy protection is limited to intelligence operatives is what we call “expected but depressing”–but still–
Baby steps people. Baby steps.
Everything is backwards. Where is our protection? Extending the watchers the courtesy of anonymity is taking the high road (which I and most moral persons would normally prefer) a high road which would allow THEM to continue looking down on us (those with no presumed access to the high road).
Please find 10 Americans in the Snowden docs among files similar to the Snowden Files analyzed by Bart Gellman and staff in early 2014. Those which included banal everyday exchanges (pictures, texts, weblinks etc.) between the subjects of surveillance and their innocent friends or family.
“…and given the NSA an opportunity to comment on the documents to be published…”
Yes Master, we hear and obey!
@Greenwald; @Poitras, @Jenna,
May 1 SID Collection in Afghanistan
-U.S. military officials generated an intelligence requirement for NSA: they
needed a quick reaction capability system for locally collecting against High Power Cordless Phones (HPCP)
-The result was MINUTEMAN PROMETHEUS, a Pelican case-mounted, man-portable system. Tactical Platforms used commercially-available technology and existing hardware/software
-The project was a joint effort, with MINUTEMAN acting as
deployment lead
-MINUTEMAN PROMETHEUS serves as an example of how, through
collaboration
KEY POINTS: Data collection via phones; utilizing existing commercially available technology; and was a joint effort with MINUTEMAN (codename for a private company?); which provided “targeting information”
In the case for this SID, the targeting information is obviously location. But then again, advertisers want to know those things about their customers as well.
Find out who MINUTEMAN is and I’ll bet you’ll find out that they are in the advertising industry.
From the time the Intercept has begun reporting on the Snowden archive no positive stories have been published about the NSA. An objective journalist publishes the good with the bad. I find it hard to believe that in the massive archive that Greenwald has there are no documents which show that the NSA was effective, innovative, or heroic during the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. Snowden has always been careful to qualify his statements by saying that most people at the NSA were good people who were trying to do the right thing, but you would never know this by reading the Intercept. There is an inconsistency here with Snowden’s own statements and values about the NSA and the Intercept’s fixation with only reporting on negative stories.
After reading the first half dozen PDFs, I remain unimpressed with the mediocracy of the bureaucratic mind. Shallow, boring, trivial and in search of being important. And we pay these people (a lot)!
NSA “we collect it all”
No microwave DEW’s?
No Government Stalking?
No Eugenics?
Do we need FOIA for the Intercept?
Could someone here please deal with this. A hasbara troll is over in Glenn’s Barghouti thread, and he just said this:
I know how to find those, but have no energy for it. And I have a freakin’ toothache.
Mona gushes over spilled company newsletters. She oozes brilliance, and has apparently graduated from an American college or two.
Indly blow your nose next time you look down it, OK?
The information age has been somewhat of a disappointment. Information either confirms what is already known – in which case it is trivial. Or it contradicts what one knows to be true – in which case it is annoying and pernicious. So I simply avoid information whenever possible.
mona, try to say “I’m real”
agency minion.
So, the NSA went “silently into this good night?” No protest (ie. no redactions save for two names)? That seems odd. Maybe they’ve learned from Shakespeare in avoiding “Me thinks though dost protest too much.” But I doubt it. So, it seems odd.
You need a better poetry book.
I can lend you some modern stuff if you’d like. Of course you wouldn’t get to keep it but that’s the nature of temporary possession right? Ever read the poem ‘One Art’?
Can you dig it?
“What are you talking about, what are you talking about, what, oh what are you talking about?”
herson IS Non’Importante
The death threats are imminently more fun, guys. Actually, not sure you get to know about those. Well, darn, that compartmentalization’s sure dark. Ask the termites.
Bravo Glenn, Bravo TIC.
It is important to realize that the value of reporting on Snowden files is not only in revealing specific, dangerous to constitutional order, aims and activities NSA is involved in, but also to reveal utter disregard to restrain or prudence, intertwined with chaotic utter incompetence, greed, petty ambitions, pathetic self aggrandizement by higher echelon of retarded apparatchiks of the regime who exploit young brilliant and gullible minds like Snowden, propagandized to believe that they were serving a “good” cause.
Go ahead Glenn, expose the mediocrity, ineptitude, shallowness and vast cover-up of massive incompetence and waste of so-called national security high management who are incapable of securing their own behind, and instead proliferate mambo-jumbo lies, innuendoes or straight fabrications so ridiculous that they had to be hidden under “top secret” clause so people’s laughter about what ridiculous things those morons believe is not heard nationwide. Expose gargantuan failure of US security apparatus, epitomized by NSA failure in its state mission.
Glenn, reveal all pomposity, baseless, mental institution-like rants about something they have not idea about i.e. national security, or interest in pursuing it, focusing instead of securing for themselves cushy jobs after they got a hell out of this ridiculous outfit, as they privately admit.
As historical cases of top secret archive disclosed after the regimes fell showed, what was found there was 99% of utter phoniness of the whole enterprise, utter incompetence, mismanagements of money and human, material resources, tones of paper filed with sheer nonsense, wrong guesses, and baseless accusations of innocent, I mean literality nothing more than that and for a “good” and simple reason namely they were paid by volume of nonsense having no role or impact on official mandate of those institutions and that relates to STASSI, KGB and obviously to CIA, NSA and other phony government construct truly serving a purpose of taxpayer money laundering to MIC.
There is huge value and public service in exposing downright institutional weaknesses, fakery, absurdity of those great pretenders of righteousness and paternalizing BS of security apparatus and astronomical waste of money and talent with nothing to show for, since it eases our fears, apprehension, Glenn was talking about in recent post, and debunks a propaganda instilled myth of omnipotence and omnipresence but most of all exposes total lack of focus and massive deficiency of a big brother.
Glenn, pull up an army, our army of truth loaded with weapons of mass ridicule and laughter, release those cruise missiles of hilarity and bombs of mockery against self-aggrandizement, puny egotism of those greedy trolls of incompetence who specialize in stealing our taxpayer money.
If we do that we will defeat this absurd regime of lies, it was tried before, it works.
Hey, maybe you all can find a copy of 360k floppy backup of all my WELL forays, college work, personal correspondence, and sophomoric journalism which was black-bagged in 1990. The following example that screwed up by revealing identities back in the desktop publishing days, circa 1990, is about all I have left of my wonder years as a “writer:”
http://www.umass.edu/rso/rsu/takeover!/ch7.pdf
(p.160-161)
Seriously, though, I wonder in retrospect what form of ethical protocol can bear the vile fruits of these intervening years.
There is a reference in the article in the “Most Intriguing” article under the topic of “orbital” intelligence I have been wondering about for a good while.
The reference is to financial/money transfer data. What I have asked is why are there not more references to financial spying, following the money as the tired old phrase goes.
It just seems odd to me that NSA et al want to collect it all about people yet has no program to collect it all for financial/money transfers. For an Empire predicated on money(and only money)=power, happiness, satisfaction and the source of all wealth and well being would want to see what is going on internationally as money flows around the globe.
Or, maybe they don’t have to as they control the global financial system and see it all real time anyway.
I hope there will be further exploration of this in the documents.
EdHead makes a very good point – why not more financial tracking?
I may be remembering incorrectly but wasn’t it released a couple of years ago that they were sweeping up all backend financial and travel transactions, and that between the NSA, the DEA and CIA all of that was basically accessible across the board? I think it’s ‘search engine’-able but if you can’t find it let me know and I’ll see if I can’t locate the news articles.
XKeyscore Did It All Then And Does It All Now You Dissembling Sack Of…
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/01/nsas-google-worlds-private-communications/
All I know is what I read on this site and the few other sites that dare to publish information about these programs — and I only vaguely remember that article/documents. I’m not sure what you’re insinuating but can you please be civil towards myself and the other commenters here? This militant hate — against me (why?) and the other readers, as well as the site and Glenn himself, is perplexing; it seems personal. If it is, then why?
THIS is the article I was looking for. BTW, I didn’t compliment you on your use of a ‘big word’, there, dissembler!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-exclusive-nsa-spies-on-international-bank-transactions-a-922276.html
Speaking Of Accusing People Of Things, Are You A Mysterion?
Thank you for excellent journalism. now the task is for an alerted citizenry to stop the cancer that is Signit et al.
Nice mention of the Kristmas Krypto Kwiz in document The KRYPTOS society. Wonder if the acronym collision with the other KKK is as lulzy for the African Americans working at NSA as it is to me.
What a treacherous bunch of self-absorbed navel gazers you millennials are.
A member of The Club, are we?
See, if you’d said ‘naval gazers’ that would have been punnier.
Glenn,
Here’s a curious story you probably won’t want to touch with a ten foot pole.
Back in September 2012 Tom Drake was interviewed on Coast to Coast by George Knapp. Conspiracy talk radio stuff.
During the interview, Knapp questioned Drake about interviewing psychic Chris Robertson about a report he’d forwarded to the NSA concerning a psychic dream he’d had about 9/11 prior to the events. Drake responded that he’d personally interviewed Robertson, and further that he and others within the agency considered ESP a valid signal source for intelligence gathering.
Which brings up Project Stargate. A secret DIA and CIA program started in the mid 1970s and run through to 1995 that employed psychics for espionage. After a congressional report recommended closure of the program, the CIA shut it down. But there have been many rumors it merely migrated to NSA after media ridicule and publicity died down.
And here Drake seems to suggest that may have been the case. Without saying so, because a program like that would be highly classified.
I wonder what Snowden has to say about this. The giggle factor certainly constrains what ‘serious people’ might want to say publicly. But regardless of what one might think of its utility, declassified documents show that it had been funded for over twenty years. And one thing we do know about the intelligence community is that they don’t like publicity interfering with operations.
Even if you believe ESP is bogus, that doesn’t mean they do. Or that they wouldn’t be willing to continue it under another project name in a different agency for whatever reasons they might have.
I don’t believe in remote viewing, but I do believe in precognition. However, I don’t believe Project Stargate was using either. When you look into it, you find out that both key subjects and key researchers of the program were high-level members of the Church of Scientology. The “church” had a vested interest in cheating the tests and presenting itself as a way to perfect psychic power; however, the “church” *also* conducts interrogations with a lie detector technology and saves the transcripts to use against apostates, kept ships in international waters, has raided the FBI and the IRS offices for its own records, and was founded by L. Ron Hubbard, an admitted Naval Intelligence agent. My best guess is that rather than merely being rigged and a waste of money, the program might have offered Scientology a way to release some intelligence it had gathered under a plausibly-deniable mechanism.
A big thank you to the fine people of the Intercept for all the work they do!
This is incredible reporting, and thank you for all of the hard work which must have gone into putting this together.
I wondered if there is any information/documents about the FBIs secret investigation into Abdulaziz al-Hijji and his wife Anoud, the Saudi family who disappeared just before the 911 attacks ?
FBI holds 80,000 pages of secret documents on Saudi-9/11 links
By Patrick Martin
14 May 2016
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/05/14/saud-m14.html
Or any information/ documentation on the deaths of Mani Al-Utaybi, Ali Abulah Ahmed Yasser Al-Zahrani at Gitmo ?
The existence of the document trove was revealed Friday..
The owners of the United States of America have no power because the ownership documents are fraudulant therefore unenforceable. Cheney wanted to rule the United States so for him, fraud and invading a sovereign country and getting American subordinates killed was not a problem – neither was murdering iraquis.
No matter what, the people of the U.S. do not own the FBI. Neither do the people of the US own the IRS. Both of those agencies are owned by a private company called the FEDERAL RESERVE. Thinking? Americans do not own the Federal Reserve, that is owned by the people Americans beat in 1776 but which was hijacked in 1913 by a certain club realted to Rothschild. The I…R…S… is the Fed Reserve collection agency. The F…B…I… is the Fed Reserve protection agency.
good luck getting those documents.
The Daily Mail reported on the documents too, but I am wondering how much coverage this was given by the US mass media ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3587220/FBI-80-000-secret-pages-9-11-prove-hijackers-visited-Florida-family-links-Saudi-royal-family-never-released.ht
beats me.
not a watcher of wallstreet media crap that sold us the iraq invasion.
i hear the C…I…A… criminal organisation of sociopathic psychozoids managed to “accidentally” destroy their last remaining copy of incriminating torture evidence.
incompetent, criminal, imbecilic, take your pick.
i guess that means the next time the US engages in torture, it will be the first time.
AMERICA, in the toilet & being flushed
“…managed to ‘accidentally’ destroy their last remaining copy of incriminating torture evidence.”
A fuck up that is designed to disguise corruption is called fuckuption.
The CIA’ s last copy. The senate likely has many more, the author made that clear, didn’t he? (no he didn’t )
First it was 28 pages they held. Then it was 20,000, now the bid is 80K ‘secret’ pages?
BS, 9/11 was an Israeli project with help from traitors in the WH, the Pentagon, the CIA, FBI and NSA.
This caught my attention: 4/07/2003
I’m guessing Negroponte never made it back there, with all that frenzy not subsiding as directed, …
Here’s something interesting from 2003-04-22_SIDToday_-__Dynamic_Methods_of_Interaction_with_New_and_Existing_Customers.pdf:
“(S//SI) Our customers have challenged us to change with them,
anticipate their needs, and collaborate with them on the way
ahead. In that spirit, Customer Response has several new and
dynamic dissemination products coming to “market” that include:
SECRET Over-the Internet –Particularly attractive to Law
Enforcement–a cross-organizational effort to provide
SECRET-level data to an unclassified workstation, in a non-
SCIF (sensitive compartmented information facility) area,
over the commercial Internet. The destination workstation
would remain unclassified.”
So the SID is putting secret info (like the type that sent Bradley/Chelsea Manning to jail for 30+ years) to computer in police stations that anyone can access regardless of clearance over the open internet. Does anyone see a problem here? Whoever dreamt up this program belongs in jail.
But since, the computer is unclassified, a FOIA request should be able to give us an IP address, right? The gents at Anonymous can handle the rest.
This, I hope, will be as revealing as the opening of the Stasi Archives were to the citizens of GDR. I also hope that some of the “mindset” of such a class of people, who would be willing to spy on their fellow citizens without any evidence of criminality by those being spied upon, will help to open the eyes of the working-class in the US.
Let the revelation begin the revolution.
It would have to be far more revealing than what the intentionally short-staffed group of “Puzzle Women” have wheedled out of the few sacks of shredded Stasi documents which escaped the fires in October 1990. Most of the DDR’s Stasi Zersetzung targets have gotten little satisfaction. As for myself — a US Zersetzung target, with a mix of occasional physical torture thrown in — absolutely none. I have not seen anything in this batch of docs that could help myself or other contemporary US torture subjects.
It has been proven most Americans are pro-torture, and very squeamish when faced with one of their torture subjects in the flesh. Few eyes care to be opened. Americans are like that.
thanks to dumya, cheney, and a weakly obama, the US has mutated into a population of deprived abused and now sadistic persons.
american is toast.
The people who repeatedly vote for these people are just as guilty.
Stan, what you are is one of these unfortunates.
What you are, American, is evil.
Can’t wait to see the NSA Customer Service Satisfaction survey results for the Torture Community.
Some parts need a translation algorithm from Bureaucratese to English.
For example, I assume the above sentence means: “They [US diplomats] used to tell us [the NSA] what they wanted to know; now we tell them what they need to know”.
You’re asking too much from Business/Marketing school grads.
Translation: we used to rely on coercing agreements from private commercial Enterprises but now they’ve conceded the fact that we will get our way and now they just concede to our requests.
nice catch.
what it means is they have merged and morphed into a giant monolithic agency that will soon dwarf the Homeland Security and as it’s gravitational pull increases, agencies of all countries will soon get sucked in. Then the only problem they will have is what to name the behemoth.
@greenwald, what I find really, really interesting is that if I want to use my Amazon app on my phone, it asks me for permission to all my phone call data and the ability to access and use my microphone to record sound….wow, now I wonder which one of Amazons 3rd parties could make use of that sort of permission? And to what ends. Glenn, perhaps your research team could mull through some companies privacy agreements and verify that they ALL allow 3rd party sharing.
you are being monitored.
But the focus may not be you in particular depending if you are either the center – in which case the monitoring goes 3 contacts out or, perhaps you are 1,2 or 3rd ring out from center.
If everyone in the focus ring has 10 contacts, that would be 1,111 persons being monitored.
WELCOME TO EGYPT.
I’m being directly monitored. Have been under one or more surveillance programs now for 12 years. Had snail mail diverted, phone directly tapped, and now phone and all electronic devices of mine including all my family members are monitored.
No bullshit.
12 years?
You are probably just a class project.
In the second SID dated 3/31/03, the company that is being thanked is an advertising company. Hmm. I’m sure as I read on, I’ll see more government cooperation from data collection advertising experts like them
Wow, looks really interesting. That said, having just read a few of the 2003 SID Today releases (e.g. ‘spanning the Globe’, SID Around the World” a TDY to Guantanamo Bay, and ‘Read All About Us! for example) it actually doesn’t look like anything worth revealing to the public. Talking about what to do in the place where you’re posted (lots of fun in the sun activities like fishing and scube for your free time after interrogating/working at GITMO for example). Tourism tips for your free time when working abroad for the NSA, etc. So far, so meh. Hopefully something better awaits? Have to keep reading…
Historians will be interested to learn why the detention camp was set up in Guantánamo. They might easily have been misled into believing it was to evade habeas corpus.
…..”the totality of the circumstances” phrase comes to mind….
……as to the possibility of the evasion of the habeas corpus process….well, a truly shocking suggestion!
Nice top dollar perks via taxpayers eh?
An in your face rogue universe that recycles itself over and over. I can just bet that most of those “off shore” tax havens are retired military turned DoD contractors.
How do you stop idiots making loads of money writing books and making movies off of this?
…also can this information be used at the ICC for war crimes? Can it be used for the US citizens to sue the Government?
This would be the total satisfaction of these released documents.
If history has taught us anything, it is that idiots can’t be stopped.
This is great, and I can’t even begin to imagine the time effort that went into this. Once again I am so grateful to Edward Snowden and also impressed that he knew exactly which journalists to best entrust with his files.
Well done all.
“Many are self-serving and boastful” – unlike any of Greenwald’s articles, of course.
Greenwald is never boastful, to fault, really. Nor are his pieces “self-serving.”
Yeah how exactly is a story about the NSA documents “self-serving”? Particularly in light of the demonstrable fact that Glenn and others made the decision to share much of the archive, from day one, with other journalists instead of keeping it all for themselves. Which to me seems to be the opposite of the idea of “self-serving”.
Seems to me “self-serving” is more along the lines of Peter projecting his unsubstantiated statements onto Glenn for reasons unknown or perceptions unexplained.
rr, I was gonna run in and yell “massive projection!!” but you did it for me. :)
It is a great model of journalism to make primary documents available to all researchers.
Well, these cretins had to find -something- to complain about. Since they’ll look silly if they copy and paste their “but they’re not releasing the files!” canard.
I must agree that Mr. Greenwald is being a little unfair. The documents specifically reference the great humility of the NSA. For example:
Only those of deep divine humility can proclaim they *are humble. This go back to Moses our great teacher — who famously penned the five books, referring to himself in the third person as very humble.
People who think this self-serving and boastful lack divine fellowship/inspiration.
The General must truly be one of very few who posses divine humility
I’m looking forward to how they tried to spin the debacle in Iraq as the insurgency grew in 2004. For example the 6/24/2003 article “24 Hours in Iraq” notes that 50 US soldiers had been killed since the ‘official end of the war’ (May 1st); as the body count climbed every month, how did they respond?
Ha! Great catch, Benito. I literally laughed out loud.
thankyouverymuch..
ps- the puerto rico thing, cant BK?, was like a poison loan, israel gets billions, what’s up, what do the bondholders really want or can actually take?
Yep, sorry. I downloaded it. Thanks for reposting.
file:///accounts/1000/shared/downloads/Getting%20to%20know%20you%20_%20The%20Economist.html
@glenn, @poitras, @jenna
Please read this informative article, then ask yourself about how the government -private sector can cooperate via agreements to access private data. Ie…CIA, Inc & NSA, Inc through 3rd party arrangements.
That is not a URL. Is this the article? http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21615871-everything-people-do-online-avidly-followed-advertisers-and-third-party
Thanks Wnt.
OK, how does “SIGINT Legislative Affairs” square with this: https://www.citizen.org/documents/Govt-Lobbying-Govt.pdf
We have a govt that lets wallstreet rob mainstreet and steal homes.
We have a govt that lets a president offer fraud to illegally go to war getting Americans killed.
We have a govt that gives our money to all kinds of country while America falls apart.
We have a govt that illegally spies on Americans.
America? This is egypt.
I see political correctness is till the order of the day even when promoting so-called transparency….
“There are also documents in the archive that we do not believe should be published ….documents containing government speculation about bad acts committed by private individuals (typically from marginalized communities), the disclosure of which would permanently destroy reputations).”
Translation: If someone from a designated “victim” demographic by our political/media elites is doing something not becoming of a victim or jeopardizes the carefully crafted public image of victimhood assigned them…then we are going to make sure that never sees the light of day.
Well then Mr Greenwald, you have torpedoed any semblance of transparency and integrity you claim to possess.
You are no different than the “gatekeepers” whom you claim to be holding to account. They shelter the truth in order to enforce their narrative on people, and now you find yourself doing the same.
I won’t be bothered to spend a minute of my time on any of this “approved for release” material, and neither should anyone else who are interested in actual transparency.
“…and neither should anyone else who are interested in actual transparency.”
Oh, look! Another moral cop.
Please, what are you complaining about? These documents are a valuable resource for historians, journalists, and anyone else interested in, for example, the Iraq Debacle of 2003 – present. The 2003 documents I’ve briefly looked at give a window into NSA thinking (loyal unquestioning bureaucratic apparatchiks, or clerks in a corporation following orders without question) in 2003, and it will be useful to see how their approach evolved as the Iraqi insurgency grew, and how that ‘collect-it-all’ mentality in Iraq was then brought to the United States, where the target become the American population, with the customers being the government leaders and their billionaire backers.
“Translation: If someone from a designated “victim” demographic . . .”
No, you twit, that is not a translation; it’s your paranoid and fact-free fantasy.
I heard TI was going to withhold the unfounded speculation about your mother’s sexcapades with terrorists, but since you insist . . .
Can you define “unfounded” as I saw some photos of PR’s momma on the interwebs that might move those sexcapades from the speculative realm to the demonstrable.
Then again a lot of people look alike on the internet so it’s always hard to tell. And don’t even get me started on Photoshop and all those sorts of nifty apps for doctoring photos. CGI–forgetaboudit.
I’m not even sure if I’m actually awake most days or just dreaming I’m awake. Blue pill or red pill, I’m so confused which one it took?
I’m convinced someone’s slipping something into my fluoridated water, wait, except Portland doesn’t have fluoridated water thankfully. I think. Discerning reality is so confusing these days, which brings me to my favorite “momma joke”. Oh wait that’s not cool to insult someone on the internet’s momma. Or wait is it okay? See what I mean?
Bad lawyer. ;^)
so you can do better.
Did you also slap your mother when you didn’t get your ice cream? or just whine, cry and throw a tantrum?
Greenwald actually is respecting other people’s wishes rather than simply doing what he feels is right. Few people have so much honor, today.
Well, bye.
Well said. Reminded me of this: (7 second clip)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVrEwCa8nSA
OMFD! That is where my sister got it, and since then we have been saying “Well, bye” to jerks who (thankfully) are on their way out. HA HA HA!
I wonder when the real snuff is coming up, and how. No kids’ subliminar drawing reports plz.
NSA “Collect it all”
Intercept “Release it all”
Have the courage of Assange!
How did you ‘send’ files to the NSA,
to see if there were any other redactions
that NSA might want omitted?
“How did you ‘send’ files to the NSA. . .”
Probably the same way you would: email, shared folders on cloud storage, etc.
“. . . to see if there were any other redactions
that NSA might want omitted?”
I doubt the NSA wanted any redactions omitted. ;^)
If your post is intended as a snippy little snipe (and especially if it is not), you should probably revise it so that it makes sense in English.
‘snippy little snipe’?
The cloud is insecure.
I’m sorry that my Q was not more
elegantly phrased.
I meant no offense to anyone.
What, exactly, did you mean?
It’s a good question – how to authenticate that the party making the redactions is, in fact, the NSA?
Sometimes it’s the small details that are revealing. For example, when the NSA claimed they were too busy arranging a coup in Brazil to vet the documents, it seemed like a feeble excuse. But in retrospect, a year later, it makes sense.
“It’s a good question – how to authenticate that the party making the redactions is, in fact, the NSA?”
Not to undermine your intent, here, Duce, but I’m pretty sure that the party making the redactions is The Intercept, after consultation with the spooks.
If the NSA were in charge, there would be nothing to redact.
Wow. Thank you Doug, I’m shaking in my boots now.
surely you have some suspicion that there is a mystery here?
I know the value of the documents and support your ambitious. Would like to become as partner in the coming days.
Dear, Glenn.
Thanks for this great job of making such fundamental structures of the power visible. While it s a brave ethical decision not to disclose some informations, understanding how NSA dealt with the surveillance job on marginalized community is highly important. Some description about such files could be already a nice way to make this specific kind of surveillance accessible for everybody, and specifically for those directly concerned.
It is already becoming redundant but, that’s fine: Glenn and Intercept are so important for addressing so many real questions of our time. So good, serious and ethical journalism. Thanks for all.
I don’t know what will happen to the Intercept when our country becomes a full-blown dictatorship. But I’m so grateful for what you do right now.
Thank you !!!
Nothing, absolutely Nothing could make me more cynical of our elites than I am now. From the Egyptian Pharoes getting the workers to build his Tombs and fight his wars to Fractional reserve creation of money by the banksters of the last few centuries, nothing has really changed about Human nature. The elites are still sociopaths and the workers who act as their courtiers are still toadying for money and the suckers/workers are still producing more wealth for the parasites than they do for themselves. The suckers still believe in the invisible man in the sky despite knowing the world is round. The suckers still borrow from banksters who create money from debt/credit and pay them interest and workers acting as military or paramilitary still hold things together for the same elites. We; Humans are beyond hope!
I totally agree with you. And my concern is there is no hope at all for a change …
Inshallah
Thank you for releasing these files. Are there any documents pointing to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed aka KSM in anyway? Interrogations, court martial briefings, etc. May Freedom and Truth prevail.
Its all comes down to greed, the sickness of materialism, and the mistaken belief that capitalism is a sustainable system.
The Dalai Lama when asked what surprised him most about man? answered :
“Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money.Then he sacrifices his money to recuperate his health.Then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present.The result being that he does not live in the present or the future and lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.”