An internal Defense Department investigation into one of the most notorious night raids conducted by special operations forces in Afghanistan — in which seven civilians were killed, including two pregnant women — determined that all the U.S. soldiers involved had followed the rules of engagement. As a result, the soldiers faced no disciplinary measures, according to hundreds of pages of Defense Department documents obtained by The Intercept through the Freedom of Information Act. In the aftermath of the raid, Adm. William McRaven, at the time the commander of the elite Joint Special Operations Command, took responsibility for the operation. The documents made no unredacted mention of JSOC.
Although two children were shot during the raid and multiple witnesses and Afghan investigators alleged that U.S. soldiers dug bullets out of the body of at least one of the dead pregnant women, Defense Department investigators concluded that “the amount of force utilized was necessary, proportional and applied at appropriate time.” The investigation did acknowledge that “tactical mistakes” were made.
The Defense Department’s conclusions bear a resemblance to U.S. Central Command’s findings in the aftermath of the horrifying attack on a Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, last October in which 42 patients and medical workers were killed in a sustained barrage of strikes by an AC-130. The Pentagon has announced that no criminal charges will be brought against any members of the military for the Kunduz strike. CENTCOM’s Kunduz investigation concluded that “the incident resulted from a combination of unintentional human errors, process errors, and equipment failures.” CENTCOM denied the attack constituted a war crime, a claim challenged by international law experts and MSF.
A photograph taken by military investigators in the room where members of an Afghan family were killed near Gardez in Afghanistan’s Paktia province, Feb. 12, 2010.
The February 2010 night raid, which took place in a village near Gardez in Paktia province, was described by the U.S. military at the time as a heroic attack against Taliban militants. A press release published by NATO in Afghanistan soon after the raid asserted that a joint Afghan-international operation had made a “gruesome discovery.” According to NATO, the force entered a compound near the village of Khataba after intelligence had “confirmed” it to be the site of “militant activity.” As the team approached, they were “engaged” in a “fire fight” by “several insurgents.” The Americans killed the insurgents and were securing the area when they made their discovery: three women who had been “bound and gagged” and then executed inside the compound. The U.S. force, the press release alleged, found the women “hidden in an adjacent room.” The story was picked up and spread throughout the media. A “senior U.S. military official” told CNN that the bodies had “the earmarks of a traditional honor killing.”
Documents provided to The Intercept contain substantial redactions, particularly in areas dealing with allegations of a cover-up of the circumstances of the killings.
Witnesses and survivors described an unprovoked assault on the family compound of Mohammed Daoud Sharabuddin, a police officer who had just received an important promotion. Daoud and his family had gathered to celebrate the naming of a newborn son, a ritual that takes place on the sixth day of a child’s life. Unlike the predominantly Pashtun Taliban, the Sharabuddin family were ethnic Tajiks, and their main language was Dari. Many of the men in the family were clean-shaven or wore only mustaches, and they had long opposed the Taliban. Daoud, the police commander, had gone through dozens of U.S. training programs, and his home was filled with photos of himself with American soldiers. Another family member was a prosecutor for the U.S.-backed local government, and a third was the vice chancellor at the local university.
At about 3:30 a.m., when the family heard noises outside their compound, Daoud and his 15-year-old son Sediqullah, fearing a Taliban attack, went outside to investigate. Both were immediately hit with sniper fire.
“All the children were shouting, ‘Daoud is shot! Daoud is shot!’” Daoud’s brother-in-law Tahir recalled when I visited the family compound in 2010. Daoud’s eldest son was behind his father and younger brother when they were hit. “When my father went down, I screamed,” he told me. “Everybody — my uncles, the women, everybody came out of the home and ran to the corridors of the house. I sprinted to them and warned them not to come out as there were Americans attacking and they would kill them.”
Within a matter of minutes, a family celebration had become a massacre. Seven people died, including three women and two people who later succumbed to their injuries. Two of the women had been pregnant. Sixteen children lost their mothers.
The Americans were still present when survivors prepared burial shrouds for those who had died. The Afghan custom involves binding the feet and head. A scarf secured around the bottom of the chin is meant to keep the mouth of the deceased from hanging open. They managed to do this before the Americans began handcuffing them and dividing the surviving men and women into separate areas. Several of the male family members told me that it was around this time that they witnessed a horrifying scene: U.S. soldiers digging the bullets out of the women’s bodies. “They were putting knives into their injuries to take out the bullets,” Sabir told me. I asked him bluntly, “You saw the Americans digging the bullets out of the women’s bodies?” Without hesitation, he said, “Yes.” Tahir told me he saw the Americans with knives standing over the bodies. “They were taking out the bullets from their bodies to remove the proof of their crime.”
The U.S. military’s internal investigation into the raid, which was described in detail in the documents obtained by The Intercept, was ordered by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the former commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, who at the time of the raid was the commander of all international forces in Afghanistan. The lead investigator, whose identity was redacted, noted at the beginning of the report that he did not visit the scene of the raid, saying that the risks of “re-awakening emotional and political turmoil” would not have been “worth the cost.” Instead, family members of the victims were asked to travel to a U.S. base to be interviewed.
The documents’ redactions and omissions are perhaps more interesting than the conclusions of the investigation. U.S. Central Command released 535 pages, including more than 100 photographs taken at the scene, but withheld nearly 400 additional pages, stating that they are exempt from FOIA for national security reasons. Photographs of bodies and wounds were redacted. The documents include NATO press releases and talking points claiming that the victims of the U.S. attack were Taliban militants and offering the standard assurances that “Coalition Forces take every precaution to ensure non-combatant civilians are protected from possible hostilities during the course of every operation.” An error-laden “questions and answers” document stated that during the operation, “two militants [were] killed and one wounded,” and “one women and two children were protected.” A list of talking points titled “Post Operation IO and Mitigation” characterized the “Area Tribe” in the following terms: “One Ph.D described them as ‘great robbers’ and ‘utter savages’ and that their country was formerly a refuge for bad characters.”
While the investigation asserted that the soldiers did not dig any bullets out of the bodies of the dead, the sections of the investigation addressing this allegation were almost entirely redacted. The investigation found that the survivors interviewed in the raid’s aftermath, referred to as “detainees,” provided credible testimony. The report also noted “consistency in all eight detainees’ statements that would be impossible to pre-plan without prior knowledge of specifics of the operation,” adding that “the detainee reports corroborate that the women died when they tried to stop Zahir [one of the men killed] from exiting the building.”
Despite this assessment of the credibility of the survivors’ testimony, the Pentagon investigation dismissed outright the statements from multiple witnesses, including the husband of one of the dead women, that the Americans dug bullets from the women’s bodies. “This investigation found no attempt to hide or cover up the circumstances of the local national women’s deaths,” the executive summary of the investigation concluded. The investigators were instructed by the main U.S. command at Bagram to determine: “Did anyone alter, clean or otherwise tamper with the scene in any way following the operation, and if so, why?” The answer to that question was completely redacted.
Initial instructions given to Defense Department public relations staff on how to discuss the Gardez raid.
The investigation did note, however, that the Afghan investigation conducted immediately after the raid “reports that an American bullet was found in the body of one of the dead women, but it does not say how that bullet was found or who removed it from the woman.” Citing statements from the members of the strike force that conducted the raid, the investigators asserted, “There is no evidence to support that bullets were removed from the bodies by anyone associated with U.S. forces.”
The initial press release on the raid contained erroneous information about the women being bound and gagged, according to the investigation, because “the ground force was confused by the unfamiliar sight of the women prepared so quickly for burial and firmly believed that they did not kill the three women.” The investigation concluded that the “assumption” that the women “had been killed by Afghans and placed on the scene” was an “honest assessment” and the result of a “lack of cultural awareness,” not “an attempt to mislead higher headquarters.”
A “roll-up,” or inventory, of the Gardez operation.
According to the instructions provided to investigators, the U.S. forces claimed the women had been killed as many as two days before the raid occurred, but the report observed that their “remains were collocated with EKIA,” enemies killed in action, and photos taken in the immediate aftermath showed the women with wounds indicating they had been killed during the raid. “Was this an attempt to deceive?” That question was not answered in the documents provided by the Pentagon, at least not in an unredacted format.
The report also noted a curious contradiction. One of the men killed by American forces had been prepared for burial just as the dead women were — with a cloth wrap tied around his head so his jaw would remain closed. Yet when the U.S. forces first reported on the raid, they described only the women as having their heads bound and suggested their deaths were the result of a “cultural custom.”
The cause of death listed for the men was gunshot wounds to the chest. For the three women, the cause of death was “wounds.” The most credible theory, according to the final report, was that the women were killed in a “shoot through” once the raid had begun, and that their deaths were unintentional — and unknown to the shooters.
“It is undeniable that five innocent people were killed and two innocent men were wounded in the conduct of this operation,” the report stated. “To simply call this ‘regrettable’ would be callous; it is much more than that. However, the unique chain of events that led to their deaths is explicable.”
According to the report, the university official who was at the party inside the compound called the police headquarters in Paktia as the raid was beginning because he believed the house was coming under attack from the Taliban. All the witnesses interviewed stated that Mohammed Daoud, the Afghan police commander, left the party and entered the courtyard, believing he was confronting a Taliban attack. Still, the investigation concluded that the U.S. forces were justified in shooting him, as well as his cousin Mohammed Saranwal Zahir, the local prosecutor. The investigators found that the men had showed “hostile intent” because they were armed with rifles.
A U.S. soldier takes photographs inside a room where members of an Afghan family were killed near Gardez in Afghanistan’s Paktia province, Feb. 12, 2010.
Image: AP
In the end, the investigation determined that American forces had followed the rules of engagement and standard operating procedures during the raid, concluding only that there were “tactical mistakes made.” The investigation recommended that the coalition forces “make an appropriate condolence payment to the family as a sign of good faith in our sincerity at the seriousness of the incident.”
Because of excessive redactions, these documents fail to answer many questions. While the report referenced “Special Forces,” the specific unit was redacted. The report also seemed to indicate that the strike force came from a base in another province, rather than the local base in Paktia, yet offered no explanation. The letter accompanying the documents provided to The Intercept stated that some documents could not be released because they would expose “inter-agency and intra-agency memorandum.” What other agencies were involved in this raid and subsequent management of the fallout and investigation? Who provided the Americans with the intelligence that led to the raid, which claimed that a Taliban facilitator was present? No explanation was given for why the documents, which were requested from SOCOM, the parent command of JSOC, under the Freedom of Information Act in March 2011, were only now released, after being reviewed by another — unnamed — agency.
The report noted that “there are considerable questions about the cause of the females’ deaths and males’ injuries” as well as “multiple inconsistencies between what was observed and what has since been reported by local nationals.” If the women were killed by U.S. forces, even in a “shoot through,” what happened to the bullets? The report stated that the throat of one of the women had been slit with a knife and that another dead body contained knife marks on the chest. Where did these lacerations come from? One investigator observed a blood splatter pattern that “appeared to be more consistent with blunt force trauma” and suggested “someone had possibly slipped on the ice and split open his or her head on the hard concrete.” If that is truly what the splatter indicated, then which person received those injuries? If the investigators determined the surviving witnesses of the raid were convincing and credible, why then was their testimony about Americans digging bullets out of the women’s dead bodies discarded?
A photograph of bullet shells and orange peels taken by the U.S. military after the Gardez killings.
Mohammed Sabir was one of the men singled out for further interrogation after the raid. With his clothes still caked with the blood of his loved ones, Sabir and seven other men were hooded and shackled. “They tied our hands and blindfolded us,” he recalled. “Two people grabbed us and pushed us, one by one, into the helicopter.” They were flown to a different Afghan province, Paktika, where the Americans held them for days. “My senses weren’t working at all,” he recalled. “I couldn’t cry, I was numb. I didn’t eat for three days and nights. They didn’t give us water to wash the blood away.” The Americans ran biometric tests on the men, photographed their irises, and took their fingerprints. Sabir described to me how teams of interrogators, including both Americans and Afghans, questioned him about his family’s connections to the Taliban. Sabir told them that his family was against the Taliban, had fought the Taliban, and that some relatives had been kidnapped by the Taliban.
“The interrogators had short beards and didn’t wear uniforms. They had big muscles and would fly into sudden rages,” Sabir recalled, adding that they shook him violently at times. “We told them truthfully that there were not Taliban in our home.” One of the Americans, he said, told him they “had intelligence that a suicide bomber had hidden in your house and that he was planning an operation.” Sabir told them, “If we would have had a suicide bomber at home, then would we be playing music in our house? Almost all guests were government employees.” By the time Mohammed Sabir returned home after being held in American custody, he had missed the burial of his wife and other family members.
Mohammed Sabir, one of the men singled out for further interrogation after the raid.
Image: Rick Rowley/Dirty Wars
In the end, the commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, Vice Adm. William McRaven, visited the compound in Gardez accompanied by a phalanx of Afghan and U.S. soldiers. He made an offer to the family to sacrifice a sheep, which his force had brought with them on a truck, to ask forgiveness.
JSOC commander Vice Adm. William McRaven, surrounded by Afghan National Army forces, listens to Hajji Sharabuddin, whose family members were killed in the night raid near Gardez in Afghanistan’s Paktia province, April 8, 2010.
Photo: Jeremy Kelly
“We call them the American Taliban,” added Mohammed Tahir, the father of Gulalai, one of the slain women.
The internal investigation ordered by Gen. McChrystal into the Gardez raid is an incomplete accounting of this horrifying incident. It is also based on the word of the force that carried out the killings, whose personnel could have faced serious charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice if investigators had taken seriously the survivors’ allegations.
Portions of this article were adapted from Scahill’s 2014 book, Dirty Wars.
Top photo: Members of a joint Afghan and U.S. security force provide security during an operation “in search of a Taliban facilitator” in Gardez district, Paktia province, Afghanistan, March 21, 2013.
I’ll tell you want is negligent. The loss of objectivity and truth in reporting the story. Jeremy Schahill loves to serve up the bullshit.
I thought 0bama was going to put a stop to Bush’s wars. Instead, he has kept them going even longer than Bush did. He has has Amewrica at war for longer than any other president in history. Peace prize indeed!
And there are actually millions of Americans who still, actually believe that what our military does has ANYTHING to do with national defense, protecting our liberties, insuring that you and I are “free,” etc. Seriously, how can anyone be that much in denial, that out of touch with reality, and that much of an apologist for this global crime syndicate?
the United States has become the largest terrorist country in the world. the attack on the world trade center was probably the first act of retaliation against the US. aggression world wide all in the name of keeping us safe. the US. has been ramping up it’s terrorist actions ever since WW2
To support the US military is to support the largest terrorist organization in the world. The USA government should be put on trial for terrorism as well as corporate America. It SUCKS to be an American and I apologize to every human my country has harmed. USA home of the 3 T’s Thieves, torturers, and terrorist.
This is outrageous ! SAD and EMBARRASSING representation of our country. It almost makes one want to live elsewhere so as not to be connected to this kind of cruelty to human beings. It’s hard to believe frankly!!!!!
The foolishness and criminal acts by our military have caused the US to be the most despised country on the face of the earth. And so revenge is sought. It only seems logical. But the US government’s response is the desire to eavesdrop and spy on American citizens. Even to the point that some in Congress want to give these bad actors legal right to do so. Until we hold OUR military accountable, and imprison or even execute the guilty we will be seen as the evil ones. And the US deserves it. And yet the stupid American people think it’s ok to kill civilians. As long as they aren’t Americans.
It’s ok to kill Americans as well, as long as cops do it.
Well obviously that report wasn’t the one the US investigators wre looking at when they found out that, although tactical errors (like being there) happened, everybody was just ‘doing their job’.
Look at Mc Raven and the expression ‘banality of evil’ – that was applied to the einsatzgriuppen – comes to mind.
‘Lemme sacrifice sheep for ya.’
War and war crimes go hand in hand many histories many Nations. America is a relative newcomer to the fray. We did not break with the past; we are just the empire of the day. Maybe human nature is unbreakable. Consider the term hatchet-raid carried out by all sides from our early to present history. We need to write a new history.
These atrocities go on in meaningless foreign wars at the behest of our leaders and the policies they carry out, for no benefit to anyone but the profit taking of the military industrial merchants of death.
Meanwhile, back at home, all that’s irrelevant: what’s really important is transgender bathroomism.
I know women who tell me, vehemently, that allowing transgender women to use the same public restrooms as they do violates their human rights. Seriously. They’re crazy.
Unfortunately, this is nothing new. War crimes have been official yankee policy since they liquidated the Philippine insurgency following their takeover of the islands after the Spanish American war in 1898.
“However, the unique chain of events that led to their deaths is explicable.””
Explicable, but far from unique. You send troops into a country with no clear enemy and no front line, and this is the result.
No comment, but a question if anyone can answer. Why was an Illinois shape patch on the left sleeve of Mohammed Daoud Sharabuddin?
Perhaps Vice Adm. McRaven standing there cold, wet and sandy would have said more than a sheep in a truck. Perhaps they thought a truck load full of sugar cookies would have been an insult. Like someone said below. Who knows.
Jeremy it took five years to get that redacted information. Did you expect heads to roll? By your own words, these are the same folks who are not accountable to American voters and presidents alike.
Dirty Wars was a life changer piece of journalism. This story read like you were trying to get more people to watch it, read like you were taking a lazy victory lap. I can’t say I blame you for that and I’m not trying to be a dick, just honest opinion from a supporter.
In those five years, you had an opportunity to follow up with the victims. What are they like now with their American restitution money? Do they hate us now?
Excellent reporting.
Atrocities like this are inevitable to all extended American military interventions and to all persistent uses of force as in case of domestic Police Departments. The root of the problem is that these organizations insist upon regulating themselves. The conflict of interest is that having high morale amongst the soldiers and officers is given top priority. This results in atrocities being routinely whitewashed, and the bad apples amongst the troops knowing their backside will be covered regardless of their actions. This will not change as was evidenced by Obama being forced to withdraw our troops from Iraq when they failed to negotiate immunity from the Iraqi justice system.
going back its campaign against Native American “savages”.
The morale of psychopathic patriots is the USA’s topmost priority. The welfare of the country’s house pets is not on the list.
This reminds me Green Day songs (that i loved when I was a teen)
All the countries have good and bad people, we should never hate everybody when a group/government/person make a mistake/atrocity.
US and UK leave a big scar in Brazil, we forgive but not forget
And let’s not forget: “War comes home” — and it has — in ways that many Americans haven’t even begun to realize.
https://www.aclu.org/feature/war-comes-home
(There’s already a Stasi-style apparatus that’s operational from coast to coast. Ignore it at your own peril and that of your children and grandchildren. Maybe it’s what Michael Hastings knew — I don’t know.)
Just think of how sick and disturbed these special ops soldiers are and how the cutting of bullets from pregnant innocent women and then the sick cover up story to glorify the sick Americans who did it makes this look like what it is- Routine Massacre.
All the while Americans put their hands over their hearts and sing of proud they are to be Americans cause at least they know they’re free! Yeh free to live pampered arrogant wasteful lives at the expense of these simple people in foreign lands that are being butchered day after day. How can any half sensible American be proud?
Sorry to split hairs with you, but Americans are putting their hands over their hearts and singing of how proud they are to be house pets.
So true! What a waste of the miracle of life!
Interesting how we go around the world destroying all these countries and then American people get pissed due to allowing them into the USA. Do Americans really think these people want to be in this good for nothing murderous country? Embarrassingly I am an American and would love to be in another country.
Switzerland just opened the longest tunnel in the world. What does the USA have to show for the almost 20 trillion dollars of debt other than a perpetual state of an unsustainable war.
There might even be a medal in it for you, hero..
Was that a “so, thus, in this manner” typo?
“Friendly” or “blue on green” or assaults on those within the coalition by those in the coalition is epidemic in the Obama Admin’s handling of the war, it is his unique legacy, by far.
All to protect the poppy fields so that Americans can keep the price of heroin down. Americans are sick
I agree. It’s just crime.
*although imo, even in the most dense and thick Fog of war these killings could not be appropriately described under any known military standard of conduct as an ‘appropriate use of force’.
We call the Taliban insurgents, although they were the governing force we overthrew. Any government in existence, having had their territory invaded, been removed from power by a foreign power, and had a puppet government installed in its stead, would fight. Of course they’re fighting. We’re there.
Same for the occupants of this compound. They were armed and attempted to resist because they were assaulted. Self defense certainly seems a reasonable response to an assault.
We have already lost all moral authority. Now we’re just digging ourselves deeper. We have become the nation of the fallacy of sunk cost. “We can’t leave because if we do, and things go back to how they were, the lives lost will have been wasted” is the argument for staying. More accurately, the lives we so casually wasted to accomplish nothing in particular are already gone. Let’s not double down on stupid, especially when it just makes the existing problems we’ve managed to create worse.
Actually the Taliban wasn’t the officially recognised government of Afghanistan. Almost the entire world saw it as an invading group of Pashtun refugees coming out of Pakistan that hadn’t finished conquering the country’s land.
Sources?
Wonder why we jave ptsd and suicides? We cannot get away from this or justify this in any way. We need to reestablish the Compulsory Draft of Serving Your Country, war kills, even those who stay home amd return home, we are now so crazy and drunk, we cannot separate. Ex: when PresObama wants the SecretTPP to pass, forSTRATEGIC reasons, he is directing a war action against the american pepole– contrast that with someINTELLIGENT LEGISLATION TO BRING MANUFACTURING BACK TO THE US. The USA will not continue to be healthy– we are literally killing our schools and environments, what do we have now? What country destroys its OWN means of survival and life? GE has pusourced ALL Xray producing equipment to China– the USA is desperate!
When will the United States become a civilized country with a real system of justice and when will they submit their war criminals to the same international justice system they send war criminals from other countries. Until the USA armed forces are treated equally in international courts, the atrocities will continue unabated. How appalling it is that the Western mainstream media does nothing to address this issue and the atrocities committed by the USA and to a lesser extent, Israel. It shows that there is little remaining of the so called free press in the world today. Thank you to the exceptions to that press cowardice like the Intercept and freelancers like Jeremy Scahill.
3 US B-52 heavy bombers fly to Europe for joint NATO Baltic military drills
Warning. The US has been making mini-nukes for some years now. MINI NUKES.
Americans have been and are being betrayed by the power-mongering monsters of war and wealth and one way or the other, American citizens are their victims.
Who’s you friend now?
This is so horrible. Fine reporting even if it hurts.
Reading this and the articles here re: digital privacy and the shredding of the 4th Amendment. I just shake my head. How die we get here? And HOW are we ever going to climb out of the abyss?
Such horrible news on so many fronts…
I agree. Honestly, I was going to post something similar just now under the biometrics piece. Lately all of this is compounding in such a way that it’s been making me physically ill. I don’t want to live in this kind of world. I don’t want these sorts of things to be done by America (or anybody else). And I definitely don’t want them done in any of our names or used to excuse any more of this horrible, horrible sh*t. I shall pass the bottle to you, feline16. I hope we all find a solution.
@Non’Importante –
You’re not alone; there are many who don’t want these things done in our names. When you said; ” Lately all of this is compounding…” I’ve noticed the same thing. It feels like there are SO many battles to be fought on so many fronts: privacy. civil liberties and protecting dissent. fighting bigotry, fighting economic inequality and injustice… it seems just so overwhelming. I have to bless all the grass roots folks who are really out there protesting and advocating —– and often facing strong pushback. I just read this on Common Dreams (my now homepage) and it made my blood boil all right: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/06/02/these-four-people-were-sued-30-million-trying-stop-toxic-landfill
It’s difficult for me to get out there protesting these days, but I can tell you I’m praying VERY hard for some help. Some Divine Intervention to aid us in some true progress would be MOST welcome. Yes, I also hope we find some solutions. After all these centuries, you’d think we humans would have learned our lessons. We’d better start cramming.
How did we get here? You’ve been there for most of you’re history! First you butchered the natives. Second you butchered the Africans. Then you butchered the phillipinos and so on and so on. How did we get here?
You are what’s wrong! You think you are well informed and that this behavior issomehow is something new. Its not! There is no climbing out of it. The US will hopefully be hit by a large meteor before they kill us all.
@Ray –
I will try to respond to your uncivil rant as civilly as I can. America has not been perfect; I am mixed race, so I KNOW how African-Americans and Native Americans have been treated. And yes, I’ve learned more about other atrocities the U. S. has committed. THAT DOES NOT MEAN that I approve or them or condone them.
It also does not mean that a) the U. S. has never done anything decent. Granted, it took some time and doing, but we responded to the long desired hopes for Civil Rights, notably in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We have made advances in Women’s Rights (now often under attack) and LBBT Rights. and b) that there are NO people of Goodwill here. There have been people of good will – those who advocated for Native Americans, for Abolition, women’s suffrage, Civil Rights – including women and LGBT folks. There ARE still some of Goodwill around. I sometimes think you have to really hunt for them, but they/we (I hope to include myself here) are still around. Please don’t condemn everyone for the bad apples.
Finally, there is no country that is perfect and neither is anyone on Earth. You might consider channeling that negative energy into at least praying that we come out of the abyss. The problems with things such as privacy and disrespect of civil liberties are NOT unique to the U. S. . I don’t know what country you’re from, but be vigilant, because the problems can be almost anywhere.
The military and cops can’t investigate themselves with any credibility. (No one, but these two murderous bully organizations are on top of the list of these discussions.) We shouldn’t be in that part of the world to begin with, so any questionable conduct by U.S. troops automatically puts them in the wrong.
They hate us for our ‘Freedoms’. What ignorant ciphers spew these lies and what ignorant fools believe them!?
Another example of the sociopathic nature of Special Operations.
I guess you’d have to ask their psyches how appropriate it was..
The shooting of the two men could be argued due to their possession of firearms (I’m not saying it was the right thing!). But what excuse could be used for the shooting of the women and other unarmed persons?
The were a little too brown, so Americans just don’t care. They’re more interested in their fantasy sports teams. Now, if these were affluent, white, Christians who spoke English, we would be hearing heartfelt, tearful apologies, not pathetic excuses like this.
It’s explained in the article:
Perhaps some of the redacted parts of the report go into more detail about the exotic invisible pregnant women of Afghanistan, unseen by trained soldiers.
I agree its absurd how much is redacted, but you are ignoring the article and the report. It concludes they shot them through the walls or doors of a building. That’s why they’d allegedly be unseen. This matches up with the narrative Jeremy described in Dirty Wars:
I don’t believe I’m ignoring anything. Wildly shooting into populated areas is criminally irresponsible behavior, and I have every right to be scornfully cynical about it.
The Afghanistan night raids conducted by the US represent war crimes, in my opinion, and this is only one example of how horribly wrong such reckless terrorizing activity often goes.
I feel like some white ppl have to go jump in front of the guns in these night raids for any sort of stimulus to wake up the claimed patriotic humanity over here
War crimes aren’t just a matter of opinion. Under what law of war would night raids fit that bill?
Also, there is no mention of soldiers “wildly shooting” in this article or in Dirty Wars. To the contrary, Scahill described the shots as sniper fire. You’re entitled to be as scornfully cynical as you want but such an approach often leads to misconstruing or conjuring your own facts. In the TI comment section, you are preaching to the choir and will mostly go unchallenged.
“Under what law of war would night raids fit that bill?”
Uh, the law that says you only kill enemies, not civilians in their homes for the sake of creating terror? I forget the exact section.
Meaning that once they started shooting, it was time to kill everyone in the house. Sure, that’s just good warfightin’.
Reading helps:
“The report stated that the throat of one of the women had been slit with a knife and that another dead body contained knife marks on the chest. Where did these lacerations come from? One investigator observed a blood splatter pattern that “appeared to be more consistent with blunt force trauma” and suggested “someone had possibly slipped on the ice and split open his or her head on the hard concrete.””
The personal ‘right to bear arms’ is now no more to our government than ‘the excuse to be killed.’ Whether abroad or at home, government’s default is to consider everyone the enemy.
Really, guns in Afghanistan are as ubiquitous as a weed-wacker in the burbs of America.
Here is a link for some cultural awareness – Vice News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpURk1E3Q9c
There can be few clearer examples showing why all documents about this region and time should be released, or failing that, leaked. It wasnt mentioned in the article, so i wonder if the Afghan War Diary might have more details. https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010
It should be obvious to all Americans by now that Bush, Cheney & Company, who falsified information and illegally invaded Iraq, weren’t really concerned with the security of Americans. The same might be said about President Obama and his Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan occupation and droning.
Please remember that soldiers are at a high level of stress when in Operational areas. Imagine putting yourself at their place. Shit happens and has happened throughout history, like WW1 and WW2. You can’t fully blame the soldiers. Blame the ones that sent them there instead.
Exactly. The bosses are the criminals.
Really? Last I heard they freely signed their names of the dotted line….
But “Oh all we wanted was a degree”….
No more excuses…f**king pathetic
Cowards and murderers…
Your piece is complete hearsay and in no way commands the facts. You undoubtedly blame redacted reports for this; However, it is easy to come to some of your conclusions and skepticism when you are typing away at your mac in the comfort of your office, most likely never putting yourself in harms way.
Never putting himself in harm’s way? It appears Kristen has not done her homework about Jeremy.
I am aware of Jeremy’s travels. Reporting in dangerous countries and consistently putting yourself in harms way (taking enemy fire) are two different things.
Tell all the reporters who have been killed or kidnapped while reporting in dangerous countries that it is two different things. smh
It’s been a long time since American national security was truly about securing OUR nation. It’s really about covering up imperialist war crimes and corruption to preserve their geopolitical narrative unfettered capitalism and oligarchs are somehow a good thing, one the world’s now rejecting, anyway.
NOTHING explains the top secret Big Brother surveillance state and the persecution of whistleblowers better than – too much to hide.
As always, Jeremy, thank you for what you do.
Humor me and tell me when American national security was truly about securing our nation?
I know a lifetime’s worth of people that actually believe in national security and in long ago taken oaths to defend the Constitution, mostly military or ex-military – including myself. I also believe most of those types are honorable people by nature, just often seriously misinformed and misguided by main stream media and peer pressure. Most are not stone cold killers pulling triggers and unfortunately just never consider whatever else they’re doing for empire also enables the terror and death of women and children, even though results are visibly no different from what they’re supposed to be fighting. So in millions of individual ways by millions of people, including Ed not wanting the archive just dumped on the Internet, I believe national security still exists in a great many minds.
However, its existence in minds believing it somehow excuses their crimes and war crimes, or convinced it provides some conditional rule of law for the privileged and powerful, is a pretense only.
Short answer is: It’s always been about securing OUR nation with some, and still is. But yes, it’s also possibly never been about that exactly – when and where most often claimed – or so badly needed.
This is a fantastic response, nuanced and well thought out, no insults. I appreciate it. However, national security isn’t religion where one decides to believe in it or not. Every country in the world cares about their nation’s security, it’s the extent of what they’re willing to do that distinguishes them.
I read the article, the small amounts of text not redacted (that’s my biggest takeaway here BTW, FOIA is a pathetically broken system), and revisited Dirty Wars, and believe that the explanation of this being an accident makes sense. There are still unanswered questions such as why the woman had knife wounds, how the soldiers could actually think that the women were already dead, and why the NATO report was so absurdly inaccurate. We should know the answers to these, but they appear to be redacted. But in terms of motive, this action was hugely counterproductive. U.S. forces killed an ally. Bad intelligence is the supposed culprit. The alleged coverup seems the most plausible but simply isn’t supported by much more than eyewitness testimony.
I have mixed feelings on this. I absolutely agree with Snowden not dumping everything online, because doing so would be careless and imply that his views on the matters were beyond reproach. By giving discretion to the journalists on what to publish, they can essentially challenge his viewpoints . However, I cannot understand why Snowden took so many records in the first place. It was unnecessary and opens him to criticism of recklessness.
Two things: You seem to want to suggest the JSOC night raid at Gardez and resulting “mistakes” an isolated incident – rather than an evolved pattern of special forces behavior seen in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Go on, pull the other one.
Secondly, my preference for OUR country is to never again “distinguish” itself pretending its national security requires bombing / torturing / invading / occupying / destroying / terrorizing with drones / or otherwise intentionally subverting democracy in countries no threat to the US militarily. Because there’s your reckless shit, right there, no matter how religiously the national security lipstick’s applied.
I didn’t suggest that it’s an isolated incident because common sense tells me it isn’t. However, does it occur to the extent that it is a trend possibly based on a systematic issue such as bad strategy or procedures. I don’t know. Do you?
Torture (including “enhanced interrogation techniques”) is inexcusable in all instances. No disagreement there.
However, bombing, invading, occupying, and use of drones depends on the circumstances. Iraq circa 2003-2011 was a quagmire. But Iraq circa 1991 pushed the Iraqis out of Kuwait and protected U.S. oil interests in the gulf. Somalia was humanitarian intervention gone wrong, in Rwanda the U.S. felt the guilt of inaction, Bosnia was largely considered a success, and Kosovo a mixed bag. You cannot just assess these matters lumped together.
U.S. intervention in the middle east since 9/11 has been disastrous, but that determination is from a position of hindsight. Invading Iraq was wrong no matter how you look at it, but what about Libya and Syria: if Gaddafi was still in power, maybe there remains stability in that area. Or perhaps he murders the citizens of Benghazi. What if NATO actually conceived a post-attack strategy for Libya!?
What about the Islamic State today? Does the U.S. pack its bags and get the heck out, or use airpower to limit their advance, or put more boots on the ground to attack them.
I’m not going to bite on your individual straws and continue this conversation any longer then necessary, Nate. I spent a lifetime dealing with too many willingly blind coworkers chanting USA! USA! USA! , and some of them I actually sort of liked.
Your reply’s mostly an apology and defense of an indefensible expansionist foreign policy, one that often goes from threats of do it our way to bombing of civilian infrastructure in no time flat.
Your message here is as clear as the US perpetually telling the rest of the world through UN vetoes they aren’t actually interested in global human rights or possibly even perpetuating life on Earth. The US is not and never has been a force for uniting nations where that conflicts with the interests of its oligarchs, Israel or despotic puppet states.
Though convincingly addressing the last couple decades of this behavior, just not the way you thought or meant to, you don’t think I should just lump together chronically repeated patterns of imperialist interventionism and warfare addiction spanning the history of this country’s existence, because “circumstances?” Watch me.
Then why even go into a comment section? Perhaps you’d be more comfortable conversing with more agreeable folk.
Actually it’s not that easy to characterize. Is it possible that your perception of what’s militaristic or “expansionist” is skewed because you view anything other than non-intervention to fall into those classifications? If so, I can see why you’d so defiantly reject my overture to not combine all intervention into a monolithic discussion.
If accurate, I guess the real foundation of a discussion shouldn’t be focused on an incident from a single conflict, but the broader question of: Under what conditions, if any, should the U.S. intervene militarily? Your call on whether to “bite on this individual straw.”
The real question is – What are our people doing in Afghanistan? Osama is dead, Mulla Omar has died and Aiman Al Zawahiri is in Pakistan. So what is the point hanging around and getting blamed for nothing? We just need to nuke Tora Bora and make it inhabitable for jihadi people to live there, and then get out of that country fast. Only Trump has the vision to do this – the rest are all too dumb.
“We just need to nuke . . . Only Trump has the vision to do this . . .”
Now, there’s a special kind of vision!
There comes a time when reforming is no longer possible, and the reformers themselves degenerate to perverts. That is the time when we need to start all over again. Maybe it is now?
Where do ‘we’ get the moral authority to nuke anyone? Please read about the treachery of FDR against the US military at Pearl Harbor…which then unleashed the the most horrible atrocity to this day in Japan.
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/flynn1.html
The Final Secret of Pearl Harbor
by John T. Flynn
October 1945
Then perhaps meditate on this:
On My Participation In The Atom Bomb Project
by A. Einstein
In response to the editor of Kaizo, Einstein wrote this short essay to describe his limited involvement in the development of the atomic bomb. Einstein stated that his participation consisted of “a single act” – signing the 1939 letter to President Roosevelt. “I did not see any other way out, although I always was a convinced pacifist.” The essay appeared in a special edition of Kaizo published in 1952.
My participation in the production of the atom bomb consisted in a single act: I signed a letter to President Roosevelt. this letter stressed the necessity of large scale experimentation to ascertain the possibility of producing an atom bomb.
I was well aware of the dreadful danger for all mankind, if these experiments would succeed. But the probability that the Germans might work on that very problem with good chance of success prompted me to take that step. I did not see any other way out, although I always was a convinced pacifist. To kill in war time, it seems to me, is in no ways better than common murder.
As long however, as nations are ready to abolish war by common action and to solve their conflicts in a peaceful way on a legal basis. they feel compelled to prepare for war. They feel moreover compelled to prepare the most abominable means, in order not to be left behind in the general armaments race. Such procedure leads inevitable to war, which, in turn, under todays conditions, spells universal destruction.
Under such circumstances there is no hope in combating the production of specific weapons or means of destruction. Only radical abolition of war and of danger of war can help. Toward this goal one should strive; in fact nobody should allow himself to be forced into actions contrary to this goal. This is a harsh demand for anyone who is aware of his social inter-relatedness; but it can be followed.
Gandhi, the greatest political genius of our time has shown the way, and has demonstrated the sacrifices man is willing to bring if only he has found the right way. His work for the liberation of India is a living example that man’s will, sustained by an indomitable conviction is stronger than apparently invincible material power.
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Then try to comprehend this:
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I think you are unduly worried about use of nuclear weapons as I have suggested. Here’s why:
1) Tora Bora is a practically uninhabited region except for a few terrorists still hiding in caves. Nuking that place is quite safe as far as avoiding killing too many potential innocents is concerned.
2) We need to make the world understand that we have nukes that we can and will use whenever we want. People like Kim Jong Un and Salman King of Saudis think we are joking with our impotent nukes and won’t be ever using them. There is no better way than this to convince the skeptics that we mean serious business. The Pakis next door need to understand that we fully understand their deception and are going to nuke them also unless they change course. So too must Iranians, Chinese and Russians pay us proper regard that they have stopped doing ever since Mr Obama moved into Pennsylvania Avenue. We are losing everywhere, and we need to start winning now.
3) Our partners like Israel, UK, Germany, etc., are also feeling like we are a toothless tiger. A nuke or two in the right places will convince our dear friends and poodles that we mean business when we go into a conflict, and that we do not cook up excuses when we lose to pint-sized gangs of murderers. This nuking will convince the Jews and the rest to behave in a more civil manner, something which they have forgotten to do ever since the White House got its present occupant.
4) Most important effect of a nuke in Tora Bora -you are going to love this- would be to stop all terrorist in their tracks and thus stop all the millions of killings that’s going on today. I respect your aversion to nukes, but if it brings about peace then I would very much suggest we go this route. I do not think the hostilities world-wide will end in any other way other than by a massive shape-up.
5) The UNSC also needs to wake up from its deep slumber. There are member countries invading and bombing other member countries and affecting regime changes for very little rhyme or reason. My suggestion of the nuke is primarily to wake up this dinosaur and get it to stop Mooning in broad daylight.
Well General
You are free to stand at ground zero so the target can’t be missed. Maybe we will find your passport lying around somewhere afterwards…undamaged.
TORA BORA does not belong to the effing USA. wtf? And who says there are still a few terrorist hiding out there? Is that some NSA privy you got there? The only terrorists on this earth are the USA…they are them and they make’m. Look in the mirror.
okay…nuke it and THEN leave. after nuking ourselves. you might have the order wrong on that, genius. and what is it with right wing chimps and this “dur turn the sand to glass dur hur” bullshit? is the one book you guys ever read an issue of the incredible hulk? just kidding. i know it’s “atlas shrugged”.
Thanks Jeremy for thorough and important journalistic work.
“There is no evidence to support that bullets were removed from the bodies by anyone associated with U.S. forces.”
This is an outright lie. An eyewitness account is evidence — perhaps not conclusive evidence, but evidence nonetheless. To say there is “no evidence” is a blatant lie, and utterly discredits the entire investigation.
It would be one thing if they dismissed or ignored the eyewitness account, but they noted it in the preceding sentence:
Perhaps you are right that they used the wrong terminology and should have said “physical evidence”, “sufficient evidence”, or “credible evidence.” Another thing to keep in mind is that this investigation was administrative and doesn’t follow courts-martial rules of evidence. The investigator is granted discretion to determine what is “relevant and material.”
If it was indeed a tragedy, one would think that Obama, as Commander-in-Chief, would have the decency to order the release of an uncensored report. That he fails to do so tells us that the politicians at the Pentagon wag the C-in-C dog. Meanwhile, the public is fed the perpetual gruel about “honor” and “service to country.”
Obama drank the Kool-Aid on the day he took office. I thought that fact was widely understood by now.
Obama’s an actor
A bad one, in both the political and performing senses of the word.
Brilliant work from one of the world’s bravest journalists.
I’m finding it increasingly chilling and disgusting how easily the “authorities” tell lies. Not just in the military, but throughout all the establishment, which seems pervasively corrupted by an extreme lack of honor.
Bingo! Name one institution in this country that isn’t corrupt? We are rotting from the core; a lack of ethical character in this country. Say and do whatever is expedient.
A fish rots from the head down and even war criminal presidents are not held accountable. Why should anyone else be accountable. Someone should ask Obama at what point does covering up crimes become a crime itself. I would like to hear the community organsizer’s answer.
Re: Jeremy Scahill; and 24bforJeff Jun 1 @12:05 PM
The misuse and administration of the lessor ranked U.S. uniformed military “forces”, and that of a cadre of embedded private “civilian contractor” “force multipliers”, by people in both civilian and military positions of leadership has been devolving into a perpetual state of intentional criminal malfeasance and corruption for several decades; this feckless consortium, carefully packaged and marketed as the penultimate heroic and honorable protectors of freedom and liberty both here and abroad, is nothing more than an officially sanctioned international criminal enterprise.
There is no “plausible deniability” for those who intentionally formulate and implement “command and control” over any unlawful actions taken in the name of the people; these are crimes against our entire society, and it is long past the timely need for a public trial of this deadly misfeasance. The people need to rise to the occasion, construct and circulate a petition to form a constitutional class action to redress this national disgrace, insist on the granting of immunity from prosecution for anyone in the “rank and file” – uniformed or civilian – that is willing to speak truth to power, and demand a public trial of the unlawful use of government employees and resources.
Let’s take our country back, while we still have enough informed people left who care, and have the courage to try.
“Work is love made visible.” KG
As Usual,
EA
“The people need to rise to the occasion, …”
American, your kind would squeal Uncle if threatened with torture. Today, your kind cringes and runs away from your country’s torture subjects.
You aren’t up to rising to anything, and don’t have a fucking clue what’s going on right under your nose.
Re:
Thank you Stan for your erudite and informed insight. Indeed, there is much going on; sadly it just doesn’t appear to be going on in your head.
GFY!
As Usual,
EA
if you get any flak for the GFY, it means Good For You.
Well said EA…After reading the link provided by Doug Salzman [occupation of the Phillipines] http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/war.crimes/US/U.S.Philippines.htm
NVESTIGATING WAR CRIMES: THE U.S. SENATE INVESTIGATING COMMITTEE
The United States Senate Investigating Committee on the Philippines was convened from January 31, 1902 after word of the Army’s Samar pacification campaign reached Washington via the Manila Times story of November 4, 1901. Chaired by Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, the committee heard testimony concerning crimes that had allegedly been committed by U.S. troops and officers in the Philippines. The policies behind the U.S. occupation were also examined.
For six months officers and political figures involved in the Philippine adventure, both pro and anti-imperialists, testified as to the brutal nature of American anti-insurgent operations. Although attempts were made to justify the amount of damage U.S. troops were doing, as well as the number of Filipino lives lost, the evidence provided by several individuals was damning.
Major Cornelius Gardener, for example, a West Point graduate and the U.S. Army’s Provincial Governor of the Tayabas province in the Philippines, submitted the following evidence via letter on April 10, 1902:
“Of late by reason of the conduct of the troops, such as the extensive burning of the barrios in trying to lay waste the country so that the insurgents cannot occupy it, the torturing of natives by so-called water cure and other methods, in order to obtain information, the harsh treatment of natives generally, and the failure of inexperienced, lately appointed Lieutenants commanding posts, to distinguish between those who are friendly and those unfriendly and to treat every native as if he were, whether or no, an insurrection at heart, this favorable sentiment above referred to is being fast destroyed and a deep hatred toward us engendered.
The course now being pursued in this province and in the Provinces of Batangas, Laguna, and Samar is in my opinion sowing the seeds for a perpetual revolution against us hereafter whenever a good opportunity offers. Under present conditions the political situation in this province is slowly retrograding, and the American sentiment is decreasing and we are daily making permanent enemies.”[27]
The letters of American troops home to the U.S. were also introduced as evidence of war crimes. In this case, a letter written in November 1900 by one Sergeant Riley described an interrogation torture procedure used on Filipino captives:
“Arriving at Igbaras at daylight, we found everything peaceful; but it shortly developed that we were really “treading on a volcano.” The Presidente (or chief), the priest, and another leading man were assembled, and put on the rack of inquiry. The presidente evaded some questions, and was soon bound and given the “water cure”. This was done by throwing him on his back beneath a tank of water and running a stream into his mouth, a man kneading his stomach meanwhile to prevent his drowning. The ordeal proved a tongue-loosener, and the crafty old fellow soon begged for mercy and made full confession. … The presidente was asked for more information, and had to take a second dose of “water cure” before he would divulge.”[28]
Committee proceedings adjourned on June 28, 1902. For two months after this the legal team presenting evidence for the committee compiled its report. This report was released on August 29, 1902 under the title Secretary Root’s Record: “Marked Severities” in Philippine Warfare, An Analysis of the Law and Facts Bearing on the Action and Utterances of President Roosevelt and Secretary Root. The report was a damning indictment of U.S. policy in the Philippines and the almost criminal conduct of the war by War Secretary Elihu Root, who multiple times had expressed support for the extreme measures implemented by the U.S. Army.
Altogether thirteen conclusions were drawn from the evidence, the most significant of which were:
1. That the destruction of Filipino life during the war has been so frightful that it cannot be explained as the result of ordinary civilized warfare.
2. That at the very outset of the war there was strong reason to believe that our troops were ordered by some officers to give no quarter, and that no investigation was had because it was reported by Lieut.-Colonel Crowder that the evidence “would implicate many others,” General Elwell Otis saying that the charge was “not very grievous under the circumstances.”
3. That from that time on, as is shown by the reports of killed and wounded and by direct testimony, the practice continued.
4. That the War Department has never made any earnest effort to investigate charges of this offence or to stop the practice.
5. That from the beginning of the war the practice of burning native towns and villages and laying waste the country has continued.
6. That the Secretary of War never made any attempt to check, or punish this method of war.
7. That from a very early day torture has been employed systematically to obtain information.
8. That no one has ever been seriously punished for this, and that since the first officers were reprimanded for hanging up prisoners no one has been punished at all until Major Glenn, in obedience to an imperative public sentiment, was tried for one of many offences, and received a farcical sentence.
9. That the Secretary of War never made any attempt to stop this barbarous practice while the war was in progress.
11. That the statements of Mr. Root’s, whether as to the origin of the war, its progress, or the methods by which it has been prosecuted, have been untrue.
12. That Mr. Root has shown a desire not to investigate, and, on the other hand, to conceal the truth touching the war and to shield the guilty, and by censorship and otherwise has largely succeeded.
13. That Mr. Root, then, is the real defendant in this case. The responsibility for what has disgraced the American name lies at his door. He is conspicuously the person to be investigated. The records of the War Department should be laid bare, that we may see what orders, what cablegrams, what reports, are there. His standard of humanity, his attitude toward witnesses, the position which he has taken, the statements which he has made, all prove that he is the last person to be charged with the duty of investigating charges which, if proved, recoil on him.”[29]
The sad truth is…The Investigating War Crimes Committee doesn’t exist anymore as it once did. They even used Soldiers letters to home as evidence. (And they clearly expose harrowing racism mixed in with a ‘few’ who was against the injustice). Those letters are here: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Soldiers_Letters
American Shame….
Thank you for your wise words…and who knows…with hope we the people will need a few good men who are here at TI.
Re: Sparrow > Ethan Allen
June 1 2016, 4:27 p.m.
And thank you, as well as 24b4Jeff & Doug Salzmann, for thoughtfully contributing to this discussion of a matter of such vast importance. Sadly, as many of the comments herein plainly exhibit mindless jingoism, feckless dissembling and off-topic psycho babble, they reflect the inability of far too many of our peers to participate in substantive civil discourse. Jeremy Scahill, and many others who strive for an informed public, have earned and deserve the respect and attention of all who understand the depth of depraved corruption and malfeasance; carried on in the name of the citizens of our country to maintain private advantage over the public good and welfare.
As Usual,
EA
FWIW
ismelda marcos’ attache’s courrier was supposed to drive a van to the palace to load it up with all the cash that was stashed there – a van’s worth. But during the uprising, the road was so blocked that the van driver became afraid and turned about and abandoned the mission.
“the general” in charge of special operations then moved to the US. I didnt ask, he didnt say. But the setting was unspeakable.
I am understanding each and every precious day just how underhanded, treacherous, and betraying this disgusting mentality of our leaders along with the excess of the citizen and troop aid is. Lawless and ruthless are the only words for it…but little do they realize the reaping that will come…big time.
Another notable takeaway from this is just how long it took Jeremy to obtain these documents. He says he requested this information in March 2011, so it took over 5 full years to fulfill!! (if you want to call it that, with all the excessive redaction and such). FOIA is ridiculously broken.
Can you please provide a PDF version of the FOIA documents?
Also, you say at the beginning of the article that 7 civilians were killed. The FOIA documents say that 5 were killed (Daoud, Zahir, the three women) and 2 males were treated for bullet wounds, but makes no mention of their death. So what is the accurate kill count: 5 or 7?
Either way, it’s not nearly enough for you, Killer.
Stan, you are such a “Stan.”
Now go google that to figure out what it is.
I believe this sentence explains the death of the two treated for bullet wounds: “The U.N. investigation added that witnesses alleged “that U.S. and Afghan forces refused to provide adequate and timely medical support to two people who sustained serious bullet injuries, resulting in their death hours later.” “
There are several problems with this. First, the U.N. investigation was never released so we cannot scrutinize its contents. Second, these are witness statements given to the UN of which we know nothing of their veracity. Third, how do we know that these two individuals aren’t included in the five confirmed killed? We’d have to know their names but this article and Dirty Wars does not contain them, nor does he seem to have validated that. On page 345 he says that:
Furthermore, on page 339 it says:
I think Scahill has his facts wrong, which is stunning since this is a count of people killed.
I think Jeremy
It is always a pleasure to read Jeremy here, even if what Jeremy writes about is so seldom pleasurable to read.
Jeremy: Having listened to and read your work, wherever it’s appeared, since your early days with DN!, I came to the conclusion long ago that nobody does it better.
I’m a lot older than you are and I used to shake my head, wondering, “How did this kid become so perceptive and so well-informed — and such a disciplined journalist — so fast?” I stopped wondering quite some time ago and now I just appreciate what you give us. Thanks!
If that was “appropriate us of force” then so was flying planes into buildings and killing 3000 Americans. 1000 more 911’s need to happen to come even close to payback for the wanton destruction visited upon Afghanistan and Iraq by US forces and their gutless government.
This is the type of false equivalence and twisted logic that makes TI’s comments section so special.
What? Too much truth for you Nate?
Aside from the number of deaths during 9/11, nothing else in his sentence constituted “truth,” much less “too much truth.”
Disrespect for human life is a fire that is spreading. We have the genocide of Palestinians by the right wing radical terrorist zionists. Murder and mayhem in syria, iraq, pakistan, yemen, afganistan and in the US,
recent headlines –
Boyfriend charged with killing LA woman found drained of blood
Remains believed to be Houston teen found under sink
Fla. police: Fmr. professor kills wife, jumps from balcony
Photos of slain woman posted on Facebook
could it be
the curse of the Rain Dance?
Americans wonder why the world hates them. Why there are so many “terrorists” trying to kill Americans. What do you expect the people to do when fascist American commanders send their moronic attack dogs to kill them, their family and children? I am ashamed that my tax dollars are being used to commit these murders in the name of protecting me. F*ck you the murderous American “heros”.
That’s why tax isn’t supposed to be compulsory and we aren’t supposed to have standing armies
Ya bet your arse when the US says”… nothing to hide and being truthful…” means the OPPOSITE. This is the kind of action that makes more enemies because how they were treated.
“National Security” statement is a do-all hide everything because we’re dirty.
Notice how the US lied and fabricated everything about the raid? After they get caught in a lie, make up more lies is normal operating of the US Gov. Some democracy we live in… Citizens are just a cash machine for these people in Government and nothing else.
May 24, 2016 Used Betrayed – 100 Years of US Troops as Lab Rats // Empire_File026
On Memorial Day, politicians will speak at ceremonies all over the country and repeat their favorite mantra: “Support the troops.” This pledge is hammered into the American psyche at every turn. But there is a hidden, dark history that shows that the politicians are in fact no friend to service members–but their greatest enemy. An easy way to prove this truth is to look at how they so quickly betray and abandon their soldiers after purposely ruining their lives, and even after using them as literal lab rats.
https://youtu.be/TRMT1eozxPg
They learned from the Viet Nam War to NOT tell the American people how many people are dead from our occupation of whatever country we happen to be in, as if they knew even an approximate number of the MILLIONS dead in the Middle East they would DEMAND an end to the war. The MIC has looted the Treasury of TRILLION’s of dollars via waste, fraud, and illegal & immoral actions against innocent people and it is high time the criminals in power who have perpetrated this fraud, and 9/11 on America, be brought to justice for their crimes against humanity…
14 years and it gets worse and worse…..pull the plug and end this farce
murder, inc. has gone legit.
Thank you, Jeremy.
Just last night I was watching a story on public TV about one of the West Point classes of the mid 1960s. One of the soldiers later turned against the war because his duty assignment was as a general’s ADC in Germany, so he had plenty of time to read. What turned him was a series of articles in the New Yorker written by reporters in Vietnam. These guys joked about killing pregnant women, reporting them as “one insurgent, one recruit”. Another related how he was flying and saw an old man riding a bicycle down a road. The hero pilot decided it would be fun to straffe the old man, and laughed during the telling in relating how the old man tried to speed up as the bullets came ever closer to him.
So you see our heroic military continues the proud tradition begun during Vietnam, winning the hearts and minds of the people in countries we occupy. And, just like in Vietnam, occasionally some grunt gets sent to jail for having the misfortune of his criminality reported, but his superiors skate every time. And, just as in the case of Vietnam, eventually we get tired of murdering and leave the country to the very people we went in to destroy.
“. . . the proud tradition begun during Vietnam, winning the hearts and minds of the people in countries we occupy.”
I’m afraid that tradition was already long-established by the time of our war on Vietnam. During our turn-of-the-previous-century occupation of the Philippines, for instance, the worst imaginable brutality was routine and about 1.5 million of a total population of 6 million died.
American Genocide in the Philippines
General Jacob H. Smith….you can literally see the madness in his eyes.
Thank you Doug…it’s going to take everyone to say “NO MORE” and to “STOP THE MADNESS”.
With the American history the way it is…she never deserved freedom because she never wanted peace.
Thanks for the correction. I did not literally mean that it began in or was confined to Vietnam. In addition to the Philippines we have a long record of terrorism against Latin America.
Of course, nobody wants to talk about US war crimes during WW2, especially against Japan but also against Germany and German occupied Europe. I suppose we need to wait another 5 years until the last of the WW2 veterans have died off before making an objective assessment of our own culpability for the horrors of that particular war.
“I did not literally mean that it began in or was confined to Vietnam.”
I know, Jeff. I didn’t mean it as a correction — more as an expansion of understanding of how deeply-embedded in our culture and history (and not only ours) this brand of horror is.
Thanks for posting the additional link.
And let’s not forget about US involvement in Central & South America, as well as Africa. They are everywhere!
Yes, it’s embedded in our culture; go back to how it is that this continent was “settled.” Taking control is in our collective DNA- Coup d’etat. Time to find a different way.
This is the only way America gets the truth, ugly as it is. Nice to learn new terms in case Jeremy Scahill hasnt covered the incidents.
The US pentagon has taken a lesson from the BIG 8…. err BIG 5 now in creative accounting, or perhaps they learned from any of the lying politicians in the American congress
“tactical mistakes”
translation: MURDER
example: Although two children were shot during the raid and multiple witnesses and Afghan investigators alleged that U.S. soldiers dug bullets out of the body of at least one of the dead pregnant women, Defense Department investigators concluded that “the amount of force utilized was necessary, proportional and applied at appropriate time.” The investigation did acknowledge that “tactical mistakes” were made.
“honest assessment”
translation: LIE
example: The investigation concluded that the “assumption” that the women “had been killed by Afghans and placed on the scene” was an “honest assessment” and the result of a “lack of cultural awareness,” not “an attempt to mislead higher headquarters.”
You would never really know it but life in Nazi Germany was the same as it is currently in America today.
have a nice day
translation: DONT LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BOTHER YOU
Reading this, I didn’t understand the motive. If this wasn’t purely a mistake … what the hell was the intention?
Maybe the Taliban sent a false message to US intelligence in an attempt to kill a few locals supporting Americans? Who knows.
They thought they were free.
Got to kill those pregnant Afghan women, threat to national security and our freedoms.
Too many Americans don’t care if the JSOC fucked up, they don’t care if Trump kills Muslims and bans them, they don’t care Obama drops drones on them; in fact they support it and they support the occupation and world wide waging of war because they also support the idea that the Muslims are the dangerous ones and that’s all they want to know. lazy and ignorant.
Ignorant and not caring are two very different things, Croaker.
It is painful to witness these things. Ignorance is a good defensive mechanism to being American.
Does anyone know if The Honorable Loretta E. Lynch ever got around to responding the American Psychological Association pleading? “Therefore, please ensure that the PENS report is not cited in any government documents that refer to psychologists’ role in national security interrogations.” (October 28, 2015)
The APA may never recover whatever credibility they had before their complicity in the torture programs.
If it were only a matter of credibility, then an addendum to endnote [1] of the Belmont Report on the US Department of Health and Human Services website should be added immediately.
I can’t discern whether you are a fan or foe of the APA. I’ll just chalk it up to my old age.
So he didn’t want to correct the official record but obfuscate with a sheep?
That sheep is us…
That is meta :)
The correct evidenced-based language would be “Human Subjects”.
Or maybe the correct wording is evidence-based according to the US Social and Behavioral Sciences Team.
“Those who are sickly you have not strengthened, the diseased you have not healed, the broken you have not bound up, the scattered you have not brought back, nor have you sought for the lost; but with force and with severity you have dominated them.” Ezekiel 34:4
And if all those things just don’t work, nudge the sheep right off the cliff. Parable and metaphorically speaking, of course.
I recently out of amusement read an article titled ” Radical Anti-American Chomsky Calls A Trump Presidency The Most Dangerous Moment in History”. The comments following this crazed essay were very disturbing, concluding that any dissent of American actions = anti Americanism.
Fascism anyone? Why would a proud American not want it to be a better place? Or a proud jew want to have Israel stop sacrificing its security for expansion? I guess we are supposed to shut up and chant slogans like Support the Troops ( ie Support the Policy).
If I ever decide to naturalize and become a dual Canadian/ American citizen, I hope that someone like Carl Sagan speaks at the ceremony, telling me and my fellow new citizens the most important duty…. to dissent.
I think Chomsky is slipping into senility if he can’t recognize that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be far more dangerous than a Donald Trump presidency. It’s pretty obvious that Congress and the Supreme Court would mostly be united in opposition to Trump policies; trying to pretend he’s some kind of Hitler figure who would dissolve Congress and institute unilateral fascism is just ridiculous hyperbole.
A Trump presidency would be worth it if it results in the neoliberal corporate Democrats represented by Clinton & Co. being booted out of the Democratic Party leadership in favor of Sanders and his supporters.
So you’re both sexest And ageist. Lucky the rest of us
Way to go, trying to shut down the discussion in the name of political correctness. So he can’t disagree with an old academic without being ageist, and he can’t disagree with a female politician without being sexist. Who can he disagree with, then? Engage with the man’s arguments, why don’t you.
I happen to agree with you. Trump would find it extremely difficult to find any traction with Congress, having alienated a sizeable fraction of the republicans and practically all the democrats. But Clinton would have as many democrats behind her as Obama, and a lot of republicans to boot, especially when it came to trade policy (TTP and TTIP), foreign policy (Israel, war on terror [sic], drones, interventionism), domestic economic policy (further deregulation of the financial industry, positive climate for mergers and acquisitions leading to less competition) and so on. It is for that reason that I would urge anyone who is so myopic to view the upcoming election as a choice between two evils to vote for Trump.
As for myself, I will vote for the Green Party candidate, like I did in 2008 and 2012. It worked out fine for me: I have a clear conscious, and sleep well at night in the knowledge that I did not vote for someone who is on a course to bring shame and destruction to my country.
The imperial project is dying out, and the sooner the better. The epic disasters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria involving mass death and chaos, and endless ripoffs of taxpayer dollars with nothing to show at the end but a pile of dead bodies, are proof that the game is over. These debacles, whether run by the neoconservatives via direct military invasion, or by the neoliberals with covert regime change efforts using proxy forces, demonstrate that the Cold War era superpower thinking has no place in the modern world – and the vast expenditures abroad are also directly related to the poverty and degraded living conditions across the United States.
For any rational person, this is why Hillary Clinton can’t be supported, even if the alternative is Trump. Sanders is a nice guy and all, but the notion that he’d support Hillary Clinton as part of some “Democratic unity” notion if she manages to capture the nomination means that he’d be supporting her bloodthirsty foreign policy agenda, the continued waste of taxpayer dollars on regime change efforts, the recruitment of corrupt tinpot dictators from Africa to South America to the Middle East and Central Asia who agree to obey Washington in exchange for handouts of U.S. taxpayer dollars, as well as increased money for NATO, more military and nuclear tension with Russia and China – more of the same.
Hillary Clinton is by far the worst candidate on foreign policy; any sane person should be doing all they can to ensure she doesn’t get the Democratic nomination, and failing that, that she is never allowed to become the President – she’s much more dangerous than Trump.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/20/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson-israel-trip-campaign-donation
Sheldon Adelson backs Trump trip to Israel after $100m pledge, sources say
Do you really believe all of the lip service of any of them? They are all the talking heads of the zionist empire. Wishful thinking is not only dangerous…it makes one guilty of the crimes they voted for.
Trump is a reality TV actor. He’ll find out what his foreign policy is the same way Reagan did — by reading it as it scrolls across the teleprompter.
The notion of an elected politician reading the corporate media and then basing their decisions on what they ‘learned’ – that’s a lunatic downward spiral into the unreal world of propaganda, in which they end up entirely divorced from reality until, like the Titanic, they smack into some iceberg that nobody saw coming.
Whatever you do, don’t believe your own PR.
My advice: pray for Sanders to beat Clinton, but prepare for the worst set of candidates for President to ever appear before the American public – shitstorm, here we come.
There are so many Americans who are sitting in different places, at work, at home, in the United States, abroad, knowing *exactly* what they did. Knowing they dug bullets out of women’s corpses. Knowing they murdered children. Knowing they bound and gagged relatives of murder victims immediately after they saw their loved ones killed in cold blood. They might want to look up Alfredo Astiz. He got away with similar crimes… for a while.
“…Wars being run by a criminal class…” Seems important, more than ever, to add
Nations and …
Thanks Chris Hedges.
… “the amount of force utilized was necessary, proportional and applied at appropriate time.”
Sickening, but typical post 911 behavior from our ‘protectors’. I’d feel safer around a heroin addict in need of a fix than one of these killer junkies. WAR Memorial Day should be a day of mourning, not celebration. All the poor saps who were drafted into the Korean and Vietnam wars should be honored, while the fools who enlisted into the following wars of choice should sit silently, contemplating their naivety, while all displays of flag-waving jingoistic, camo baseball cap-wearing millionaire athletes who never waste their lives in the military, should just knock it off! War is shear, murderous hell and nothing to praise, ever, in any way.
A defensive war may be justifiable. The American Revolution, for example. I believe we should honor the soldiers who died in that – not with petty flags and songs but with our votes, with our speech, and with our behavior. Do not throw away the freedom they died for. Do not become the evil they fought against.
“BLUF is also key in medical assessment to determine quickly the most pressing problem facing a patient” according to a paraphrase from “American Psychological Association’s publication Monitor on Psychology, Volume 38, No. 1 January 2007 page 42.”
BLUF is found above the caption, “Read the documents: The Pentagon’s investigation of the Gardez massacre included “information operations” assessments of the military’s communications strategies.”
Information Operations
Psychological Operations
Public Affairs
Information Operations Contracts in Iraq (Report No. D-2009-091)
July 31,2009
Deputy Inspector General for Auditing
Sorry if the aforementioned was in the book. I did not read Dirty Wars. The recommendation from that Audit Report was Operation Earnest Voice.
Lying,murdering,brainwashed killing machines. It’s little wonder the U.S. Is despised around the world. Who even remotely believes that the military could carry out an honest investigation of themselves. Corrupt military, corrupt police, corrupt government.,and we’re spreading death and distruction across the globe. In the name of what? Democracy? Freedom? What a joke.
Military force is seldom the precision tool imagined by humanitarian interventionists like Samantha Power. That being said, if the US wears out its welcome, the Afghans will let it know. They have been fighting off foreign invaders for centuries.
What has always worked best in Afghanistan, is to bribe the local government in exchange for their cooperation. But this only makes sense if the local government is strong enough to maintain itself in power. Providing military support to the Afghan government and bribing them to be cooperative, seems like paying twice for the same thing.
I realize that if the US simply pulls out from Afghanistan, the resulting power vacuum might provide an opportunity for Russia or China to move in – and Afghanistan does have significant natural resources. So perhaps the US can do a deal. Trade Afghanistan to Russia in exchange for the Ukraine. As it is now, Afghanistan is just a drag on the US empire and now seems to be becoming something of a public relations liability as well.
The afghans are increasingly letting America know, as the “insurgent” Afghan Taliban are made up of members of indigenous afghan Pashtuns who are waging war on what they consider to be American puppets as in afghan government targets and infrastructure. Sadly, any afghan unhappiness with the American presence will probably be packaged and labeled to us as Taliban terrorism, you know the good ole ‘if you’re not with us, you’re against us mentality’ we reduce everyone to. What we call the insurgency against us in that country is an insurgency made up of men, many quite possibly just as disillusioned as Mohammed Sabir for probably reasons just as similar.
Cessation of an agreement concerning the proposed Turkmenistan–Afghanistan–Pakistan–India by the Taliban in the late 1990s is often cited as the tipping point for the US led Afghan invasion; construction on the project initially began on the 15 March 1995 and was renewed again in Turkmenistan on 13 December 2015. According to Wikipedia:
The competition between the West, Russia, and China for control of the natural resources of the world has been fierce for more than a century. The Bush doctrine has become the mean by which the free flow of natural resources around the world make it to their intended market without interference from competing powers an/or indigenous peoples. It takes a global village to bring natural resources to market in a way that preserves the existing power paradigm (as decreed by both God and Henry Kissinger). In keeping with the global aims of the transnational corporate elites, every globally minded citizen should see it as their civic duty to embrace “excess consumerism and sensationalism” with the collective aim of surrendering their innate dignity and sovereign rights. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated and commodified. Do not attempt to understand. The ends will ultimately justify the means. Trust and obey or die.
Benito, where has your creativity gone? Which one will be the 51st state, Ukraine or Afghanistan? Afghanistan has gobs more resources! What is this talk of trade? Benito trades nothing, he takes what he wants.
quote”In the end, the investigation determined that American forces had followed the rules of engagement and standard operating procedures during the raid,..”unquote
Standard operating procedures. right. Murdering children and pregnant woman. Gottcha.
There are no words to describe these sick fucking animals except murderers. Plain and simple. Our military has lost it’s mandate, it’s morals and it’s mind. From this point on, I am truly ashamed to be a citizen of a country that has allowed it’s military to become a regime of murderers. If I EVER hear anyone say “support our troops” ever again..I’ll spit in their face. Now excuse me while I puke.
I blame it almost exclusively on the lying sleazy MSM Zionists which have sent US on multiple missions from hell in the last 40 years,lie repeatedly about Israel,their chosen land,and the blood of millions rests with them,of course along with our political scum traitors.
Zionist MSM works ‘FOR’ the Zionist US military complex…not the other way around. The zionist CIA are the ones trained for coups, trained for morphing and funding the Taliban, ISIS, and the minions of other so called “rogue elements”…WHILE feeding the zionist MSM to report (or not report) what they say. It is all to deceive the public, the taxpayers, the pro “thank you for keeping America safe” crowd, the “thank you for your service” crowd…while they keep on with their double dealing secret killings that will in the end…expose them for what they are. MURDEROUS MONSTERS that take up more time trying to CTA then doing the right thing. [CTA = cover their ass). The MSM Zonists don’t send anyone anywhere without their consent.
. . . he told me that at first he saw no reason to discount the official story.
We have all been there, at least once.
Right alongside the CIA who handed out $150 million in CASH to “heroin” poppy growers and now American’s are seeing the scourge and results of US intervention: A boom in heroin crops, thanks to the CIA! You get an applause guys, you really know how to screw up.
USGOHOME! Still valid, WE need you, if you get that!?
Yet all I heard this weekend was that they are “fighting for our freedoms”!
This is normal IDF operating guidelines. Nothing to see here folks, keep on moving.
Sad, almost to tears.
I served in the Air Force for 10 years. There is no way that I could serve again in good conscience. I pray that at some future point these war criminals will all be truly brought to justice.
In America, we sometimes elect our war criminals president.
Hillary2016
Love my country but hate my fucking government. Someone please nuke Washington and let hit the reset button. Repub or Dem I hate them all.
And then there’s this, but anyone who mentions it is quickly labeled “delusional”: fightgangstalking.com
It’s the truth.
God help us if someone doesn’t get to the bottom of it.
Gang stalking is bigger news and more secret than Edward Snowden’s revelations:
http://www.biggerthansnowden.com/
http://icaact.org/
Don’t let them get to you :). It’ll keep you from doing the good where you can
Where did it start were does it end and how did we come to this? This is not just failed policy and a botched mission, “regrettable”“tactical mistakes” but a failing of our National soul. Where is the American reset button? How do we redeem our Nation and Ourselves?
We are living in times that are parallel to WWII and the corruption that started it.
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/flynn1.html
The Final Secret of Pearl Harbor
by John T. Flynn
October 1945
And ever since it has taken reporters like Flynn, Scahill, Greenwald, et al…the ones who aren’t paid sell outs, the ones with conscience toward their fellow Americans, the ones that have to be searched out…to bring forth the truth. This is Grace. But when the Grace is ignored as warnings, to a national public more obsessed with their own consumerism and take a trip to the voting booth for another round…of self disaster. Shame will hopefully halt this runaway train headed for a complete end…however it may look.
Barbarians have no need to make up stories. Only cowards do that.
Thanks Jeremy.
My country ’tis of thee… The lizard brain is alive and well in all of us. We are the new barbarians. Ain’t this 21st century grand?
Never mind barbarians at the gates. We’re inside, and building a wall around ourselves!