It’s only fitting that the Democrats’ process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.
Last night, the Associated Press — on a day when nobody voted — surprised everyone by abruptly declaring the Democratic Party primary over and Hillary Clinton the victor. The decree, issued the night before the California primary in which polls show Clinton and Bernie Sanders in a very close race, was based on the media organization’s survey of “superdelegates”: the Democratic Party’s 720 insiders, corporate donors, and officials whose votes for the presidential nominee count the same as the actually elected delegates. AP claims that superdelegates who had not previously announced their intentions privately told AP reporters that they intend to vote for Clinton, bringing her over the threshold. AP is concealing the identity of the decisive superdelegates who said this.
Although the Sanders campaign rejected the validity of AP’s declaration — on the ground that the superdelegates do not vote until the convention and he intends to try to persuade them to vote for him — most major media outlets followed the projection and declared Clinton the winner.
This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary: The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization — incredibly — conceals. The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.
None of this is to deny that Hillary Clinton — as was always the case from the start — is highly likely to be the legitimately chosen winner of this process. It’s true that the party’s governing rules are deliberately undemocratic; unfair and even corrupt decisions were repeatedly made by party officials to benefit Clinton; and the ostensibly neutral Democratic National Committee (led by the incomparably heinous Debbie Wasserman Schultz) constantly put not just its thumb but its entire body on the scale to ensure she won. But it’s also true that under the long-standing rules of the party, more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders. Independent of superdelegates, she just got more votes. There’s no denying that.
And just as was true in 2008 with Obama’s nomination, it should be noted that standing alone — i.e., without regard to the merits of the candidate — Clinton’s nomination is an important and positive milestone. Americans, being Americans, will almost certainly overstate its world significance and wallow in excessive self-congratulations: Many countries on the planet have elected women as their leaders, including many whose close family member had not previously served as president. Nonetheless, the U.S. presidency still occupies an extremely influential political and cultural position in the world. Particularly for a country with such an oppressive history on race and gender, the election of the first African-American president and nomination of the first female presidential candidate of a major party is significant in shaping how people all over the world, especially children, view their own and other people’s potential and possibilities. But that’s all the more reason to lament this dreary conclusion.
That the Democratic Party nominating process is declared to be over in such an uninspiring, secretive, and elite-driven manner is perfectly symbolic of what the party, and its likely nominee, actually is. The one positive aspect, though significant, is symbolic, while the actual substance — rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist — is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.
the u.s. election system is obsolete,broken,corrupt,susceptible to computer hacking,etc. A 200 year old system that should be reformed. All nuclear reactors should be shut down. The rich should be paying more taxes than they’re secretary’s. We were #1 in solar in the 70’s. We had good jobs until we got NAFTA/SCREWED.
The oligarchy’s wicked witch belongs in prison, Bernie Sanders is the people’s choice for the White House job.
To Gator90
Talk is cheap, and her word doesn’t come much cheaper. Do you like being lied to and kept in the dark? Do you like the way she misused her position to gain money for herself, laundering money through her “charitable foundation.” Do you like the way she put a totally unqualified, hedge fund gambler on the advisory board of the our now three minutes to midnight the department of international security advisory board, Ragiv Fernando.
If you are looking for a difference, as I am, try Bernie Sanders.
Clinton: “To the LGBT community: please know that you have millions of allies across our country….”
Trump: “What happened in Orlando is only the beginning…. I called it and asked for the ban [on Muslim immigrants].”
Nope. No difference at all.
Clinton: 200,000 Muslims dead
Trump: 0
oh wait a minute there is a difference after all… Ill be damned
Chris Hedges, Ralph Nader, and even Noam Chomsky have long understood that the term “socialist”is a misnomer when applied to Sanders; the terms “liberal democrat” and “Roosevelt democrat” are far more accurate in describing the bulk of his ideas. Likewise, the notion that Sanders would operate in open defiance of the Democratic party and withhold his support of Hillary Clinton in the general election is ludicrous. Anyone who has labored to sit through the string of debates between the two could not help but conclude that Sander’s has consistently refrained from attacking Clinton in a way that would irreparably harm her candidacy in a general election. Consider Sander’s defense of Clinton’s illegal use of an Email server in her residence and the chronic mishandling of classified information while she was secretary of State and then ask yourself why it is that Sanders believes that Clinton should be held to a standard any different from those who have been indicted, and in some cases maliciously prosecuted, for the leaking and/or mishandling of classified information.
https://www.propublica.org/special/sealing-loose-lips-charting-obamas-crackdown-on-national-security-leaks
All of this wringing of ones hands and gnashing of ones teeth by progressives over a Warren or Sander’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton is a mere reflection of their inability to acknowledge their own unfailing propensity for gullibility. If there is one truism that applies to all politicians is that they will never let idealism get in the way of political pragmatism. While progressive democrats bemoan the fact that its standard-bearers (e.g. Kucinich, Sanders, and Warren) have lacked the personal integrity to keep their own ambitions in check for the sake of the principles they espouse, conservative republicans (e.g. Mica Brezinski) are characterizing Paul Ryan’s endorsement of Trump as pathetically weak and unprincipled. The road to Rome is awash with the blood of those who have the temerity to challenge the seat of power – either from the right or the left.
Just wondering if any reporters are going to report on Bilderberg group meetings in Germany? 200 of the World’s most powerful people including Politicians meeting In private to decide the fate of the World and where the future will go and no reporters are saying sh*t. Thanks InfoWars for having the balls to report on this.
Sounds like V for Vendetta to me.
Glen, please help us in America. The corporate media is destroying our election and our ability to communicate, analyze, and organize. Edward Snowden and others have sacrificed so much trying to resuscitate our democracy, don’t you have any guidance for us?
Do you know how people are giving one of their two dimes to rub together for Bernie? They give up their time to call, to meet, to write, and most of us are also involved in other protests like defeating coal and protesting the killing of the innocents. We are trying, trying, trying- just don’t believe what you see on the news about us! We hate both Trumpet’s and Killery’s behavior.
Help, please.
Does this means Sanders still has a chance?
Hillary won where independents could not vote, also I looked at the exit polls and they were all adjusted to fit the results.
Excellently-put review of the process. If only we had a chance for a third party as bargaining power if nothing else, but in view of the Trump phenom., a 3d party would be impossible.
We don’t know if she really got the larger votes. There are lawsuits being prepared now to discover those issues. She is crooked thru and thru.
HRC got more votes only because of the undemocratic weighted voting system.
The Democratic Party got what it deserved…we, the people, didn’t!
A major Clinton Foundation donor, a commodity trader and Hillary’s campaign bundler, Mr. Rajiv Fernando, was appointed at State Department International Security Advisory Board . Fernando is also one of the superdelegates!
Am I just a jealous person in thinking there is something wrong here? We cast our votes and they laugh their ways to the banks!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/06/10/major-clinton-donor-given-intel-role.html
This is the face of the Clintons controlled Democratic establishment!
She is completely bought and paid for. It is a sad state of affairs when all America can offer
are these two candidates for president. The leaders of the democratic party just do not get it. They take care of themselves and forget about the people. I am afraid that Bernie was the last
chance. The working men and women of this country will take it in the shorts for the next four
years.
There is a Green Party…Jill Stein
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/9/jill_stein_to_bernie_sanders_run
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate
Just think aboutit…
you can write-in the guy down the street that is having a garage sale…imagine that!
Bochos, it isn’t over! Bernie is still in the race. Don’t believe meme streem corporate media!
Our honorable Bernie Sanders is not obligated to adhere to a contract with the Clinonostra party because when both parties do not follow a contract, that contract does not hold. If the Demlicans do not honor the vote of the people, he will run as an independent with a new coalition.
We are demanding change and that is not spelled s-a-m-e. We are going to have honesty in government for a change; hold on to hope and vision.
I hope you are right.
If Bernie doesn’t move to a third party, we will have to vote for Jill, but we know from past experience, she won’t win.
The planet can’t afford four more years of these gangsters, and children and others living now will not survive the term of the Manchurian candidate.
We won’t give up the fight, but I am grieving over the lost hope of Bernie’s galvanizing force. There is still a chance he will stay with us.
I am blowing on the embers thinking about the fact that Assange, Manning, and Snowden were unexpected miracles, maybe we will have more.
Super Delegate Resolution adopted by the State of Colorado Democratic Convention
SUPER DELEGATE RESOLUTION
We the Democratic Party of Colorado believe that the selection of delegates to the Democratic National Convention should be representative of the votes cast for Presidential candidates in Democratic Party caucuses and primary elections, consistent with each state’s Affirmative Action Plan and principles of inclusivity and diversity.
We do not believe that the current Super-Delegate system of delegate selection is reflective of these principles or the ideals of the Democratic Party.
It is therefore RESOLVED THAT the Democratic Party of Colorado hereby requests and urges the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to review and change the Presidential delegate selection process for future elections in a manner consistent with this resolution and our determination that the current Super-Delegate system does not achieve our principles and ideals.
The Colorado Democratic State Convention passed the following resolution concerning Super Delegates.
No one noticed and the Denver Post had already left the convention before the resolution was passed.
We believe that Colorado is the only state to have passed such a Resolution
SUPER DELEGATE RESOLUTION
We the Democratic Party of Colorado believe that the selection of delegates to the Democratic National Convention should be representative of the votes cast for Presidential candidates in Democratic Party caucuses and primary elections, consistent with each state’s Affirmative Action Plan and principles of inclusivity and diversity.
We do not believe that the current Super-Delegate system of delegate selection is reflective of these principles or the ideals of the Democratic Party.
It is therefore RESOLVED THAT the Democratic Party of Colorado hereby requests and urges the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to review and change the Presidential delegate selection process for future elections in a manner consistent with this resolution and our determination that the current Super-Delegate system does not achieve our principles and ideals.
Scott Brown presented the Resolution.
Thank you — and I only have one thing to say about her receiving more votes. What about the caucus states which he won but whose “votes” are not counted even in percentages of voters? Ashamed of the USA.
What’s shameful is that caucuses still exist in the 21st century. What’s also shameful is that you lie by claiming that caucus votes are not counted in percentages of voters.
You are generous saying that Hillary got more votes. Voting irregularities reported in numerous states remind me of the 2000 election. Documentations to the existence of means to tamper with voting machine outcomes exist and are online. Add to that the voter suppression tactics in many states and the unrealistic outcomes when compared to exit polls. Couple that with the determination of corporate controlled Washington to help sabotage Bernie’s campaign and lame stream media giving him the least coverage with additional comments like Nutcase and Socialist (made a dirty word decades ago with propaganda taunting the greatness of capitalism (look where that’s gotten us). I hang on every word you write as you are among the ranks of the great independent journalists. I search for you guys online and have to watch Democracy Now! the same way as Time-Warner Cable won’t carry it. It is no wonder that our ill-informed citizenry does not vote in their best interest, nor in the best interest for world peace. Thank you for all you do, Mr. Greenwald.
No, you are simply being a tinfoil kook by making those claims. And your use of Sarah Palin terms like “lame stream media” speaks for itself.
everyone please read:
Hillary Clinton: Electing a Foreign Spy for President?
http://petras.lahaine.org/b2-img/petras_hclinton.pdf
it would be a tragedy for Bernie to cease his campaign. not as a democrat rather as the true representative of the majority of americans. yes, Clinton with overwhelming bias as shown by the dnc(wasserman) and the corporate media received more votes (??winning 6 coin tosses in a row?? and severely diminished voting locations?? and purged voter registration??). but, let’s look at the negative popularity numbers.
since many of the primaries are “closed” the vote count is really irrelevant.
there is no reason to believe almost anything Clinton says regarding the progressive agenda. although the term in itself is misleading. the speeches, the emails, the “foundation” and foreign contributions and influence peddling in general combined with all the controversy over the last few decades demonstrates her self serving agenda to gain wealth and power.
consider the decline of the 90+% vs. the top 10% (special emphasis on the .01%). anyone who believes people are better off today than they were 30 years ago are simply blind to reality. these are the people being labeled progressive or worse “socialist”. the inequality in wealth distribution will ultimately lead to insurrection. it would be less damaging if done with the vote. this should be Bernie’s legacy. demand a choice this November that has not been bought and paid for by the oligarchs and warmongers.
Bernie vowed to fight for a progressive agenda and his millions of supporters are behind him.
Bernie reiterated that the race was not over until it was over—and that also meant waiting for the final results from the June 7 CA contest.
(3 million voted at the polls. 5 million write in/mail in votes to be counted)
“I look forward to the full counting of the votes in California, which I suspect will show a much closer vote than the current vote tally,” Bernie said.
feelthebern.org
If a system is inherently undemocratic how can you say “more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders.” There is no way to tell what the influence superdelegates played in reducing or changing votes. When every major news outlet, including this editorial -“None of this is to deny that Hillary Clinton — as was always the case from the start — is highly likely to be the legitimately chosen winner of this process,” spout her dominance, there is an influence. what we saw during this primary season was undemocratic, unamerican, and unacceptable. Hillary should be ashamed of the sham race she ran.
Just because she has recieved more votes does not mean the voting process was done democratically, she has recieved more votes but what percentage of American’s actually voted? Hilary so far has 13.5 Million votes which is roughly only 4.2% of American Votes (counting Population as 318.9M) So you must ask yourself how democratic is our system? The Voting process itself is undemocratic.It’s no surprise that so many Americans (more notably poor and minorities) are disenfranchised, often because of voter laws like voter ID or they do not have the resources or often the time to caucus or wait sometimes hours in line just to cast a vote. In many of the states that caucused there were so many voters that weren’t able to stay hours on end discussing their votes, voters in Arizona had to wait hours on end with there being only one polling location for every 21,000 voters. This is all without mentioning superPACs and there millions that Hilary gets donated to fund all types of campaign nonsense, most of this money is donated not by america Citizens but by corperations, Whilst Burnie’s campaign has been largely funded by small donations throughout the US. So agains you should ask yourself, who can really represent the American People?
gator90, not sure if you’re still reading, but one of the reasons you listed much earlier in the thread for backing HRC against Trump was climate change. Not sure why you think Trump is reliably anti efforts to ameliorate, but here’s food for thought as well as evidence that it’s more than just a little bit possible that no one really knows what Trump will do as President:
Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?
https://grist.org/politics/donald-trump-climate-action-new-york-times/
Clinton, otoh, supported fracking in other countries as Secy of State so I’m not convinced that a vote for her would do anything for climate change. I’ll stick with my vote for Jill Stein, who has never had any contradiction in her record on this. And I’ll worry just a tiny bit less about the fearmongering over Trump.
Yes, I too love how all these people can predict the future. Gore picked the vicious neocon Israeli Congressional voice Joe LIEberman as his VP. If Gore had died if office or been removed, LIEberman would have joined in a war on Iraq, AND IRAN, in 2 seconds. But they conveniently like to whine about Nader, who I proudly voted for twice, for 16 years now. Same thing with Trump now, they all think they know what he would do, and use it to frighten weak minded sheeple accordingly.
Now, I will not vote for Trump and do think he is really bad on many things. But on a few very important things, I think he could be very beneficial. He has said he is willing to talk to Russia, and North Korea, which shows that he is not a brain washed NATO stooge. Russia used decades of oil revenue to rebuild their armaments and munitions, missiles and jets, and the results showed in Syria (always helps to have smaller wars to test the toys in, US has been doing that since Korea) and Outin is not to be toyed with. Yet NATO keeps pushing hard up to the Russian borders, FOR NO GOOD REASON, and threatening Russia. Even Kerry complimented them on how they were so effective against ISIS in Syria, quite an admission. Also he would shrink NATO and curtail US bases overseas, very needed actions. NATO should be dissolved and it’s functions rolled into a new UN, with Russia and China included–all countries. Clinton being the blood thirsty neocon hawk she is, could leave us into dangerous wars, as she has already, that could culminate in a nuclear one. For me, that is enough reason NOT to vote for Clinton. She has much blood on her hands, and while she now claims Iraq vote was a mistake, she has no apologized for it. Not at all. Simply put, she is a sociopath. And I will not vote for a sociopath.
I agree that Trump could be a disaster in many ways, but maybe not. I am not against slowing Muslim immigration to do better background checking. It will be harder on them, but will not cost us much more and possibly reduce some lone wolf internal terrorism, which is the driving force for the fascist police/security state we are becoming. I fear Clinton’s drive against BDS and the 1st, 4th, 5th (ironic as she may end up over using it) and 8th Amendments more than I fear terrorism. I’ll risk Trump over Clinton. It’s a strange world when we are forced to pick a horrible Democrat because the Republicans picked a horrible candidate too. Vote Jill Stein! A woman!
“Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!” – Donald Trump on twitter, 12/6/13.
I’m confident Clinton doesn’t think it is a hoax, which — irrespective of any particular policy with which one might disagree — would seem to put her pretty far ahead of Trump.
I guess one might argue that my Trump quote above is just further evidence that he is a meatsack of utterly random impulses (to coin a phrase) whose words at any given time mean nothing whatsoever, thus making his future actions as president completely unpredictable. But if that’s the case, I’m quite comfortable preferring a mentally stable centrist to an erratic babbling loon with little or no impulse control who might do literally anything upon taking office.
Jill Stein’s record on any issue has no relevance to this discussion, as her chances of becoming president in 2017 do not exceed my own.
Can’t disagree with your or THG’s characterization of Trump. Dunno if he’s a loon…certainly wouldn’t be the first obscenely wealthy one….I just can’t – won’t – vote for a woman who is responsible for an awful lot of deaths in other countries already. Seems to me we ought to be limiting the amount of control they get their grabby hands on, if at all possible, since they’ve already proven themselves capable and without conscience.
But that’s just me.
Gator99, HRC must know climate change is real, but she is pathological and probably believes her set will be safe from it. She is like the WWIII proponents of the crazy Reagan years who believed we could survive nuclear war!
She is by far more frightening than trumpet the clown, but it will be best for all of us on this planet if Bernie Sanders is our next president.
This election signifies the ending of the Democratic Party for me. Obama was a wimp as a president after we thought that he was going to be a Lincoln or an FDR. Hillary and Bill Clinton are opportunists who have used the political system to enrich themselves. Bernie Sanders is the greatest politician of my lifetime.
Glenn, thanks for your words regarding the AP false report. Enjoyed reading about the villains and hoping Bernie Sanders lawyers are prosecuting the media for doctoring the news. Its #StillBernie here and just about everywhere. Take care down in wherever.
While the Democrats will commit “suicide by Hillary”, I’m at the point of suicide for “Clinton fatigue”. It’s been too much already, but I’m looking forward to FBI results, and more of Bill’s scandals.
Admittedly the timing of this AP declaration right before the CA primary was manipulative at best, but I find the call out of this on the Democratic side to be somewhat shallow/hypocritical. The exact same thing happened on a non-descript non-primary day last month when the AP declared that Trump was the Republican nominee after polling super delegates. And where was the outrage? No one said a damn thing. The exact same thing happens on the Democratic side and everyone’s calling conspiracy. (FWIW I voted for Bernie in the CA primary)
Sanders should forget about the Democratic Party, leave it to Clinton to do with it whatever she thinks she can, and immediately see about becoming Jill Stein’s VP. Within the vast limitations of the presidential election, this would be the best thing for Sanders and all of his supporters, who remain legitimately disgusted with the two major parties and their candidates, and would otherwise be again effectively trapped by the two-party system. It would also be the best thing for the Green Party and progressive politics in the U.S., and genuinely democratic election contests (although one may be sure that Sanders would be ignored or vilified anew by the major media). Clinton may have won the Democratic Party’s nomination by popular vote, but that does not mean that she is entitled to, or that she would, win a three-way contest in the general election
Strongly agree. Jill Stein is the future and Sanders makes sense as VP due to his age. They would make a great team. At 65, on Medicare, I’d love to see a fresh start for this pathetic country. It might influence me to stay after my very elderly parents go.
Senator Warren, in endorsing Clinton, demonstrates that she is more about ambition than integrity. I have let her know that she has lost my vote (I’m in Mass, voted for her). Warren could have run as an Independent last election and won. Her endorsement of Clinton can only hurt her, as it should.
Generally speaking the American political system is not parliamentary in nature, so third parties are really unable to affect government policy. In countries where third (and fourth and fifth) parties are effective, it’s because of the need of the majority parties to form coalitions with these outsiders in order to gain a governing majority. But in Congress, consider how the majority system works – even if it was 46% Republican, 45% Democrat, and 9% Green, Republicans would still be the majority, right?
Correct me if I’m wrong – but in parliamentary systems, one of the two parties would have to form a coalition with the Green party in that case to get majority status; so the Democrats would be forced to give Green members important committee positions, etc., to surpass the Republicans.
However, there’s the other option – look at how successful Black Lives Matter has been. I was pretty skeptical of them at first, but its undeniable that they’ve forced many racist police chiefs and corrupt city mayors out of office by their direct action techniques – so perhaps Sanders supporters should form a “Middle Class Lives Matter” movement, affiliated with no party (as with BLM), but focused on pressuring both Republican and Democratic politicians at the local, state and federal level over their issues.
After all, the issues that will protect the middle class from further destruction – student loan forgiveness and expanded public education, revoking trade deals that ship manufacturing jobs overseas, domestic infrastructure repair, ending foreign regime change games, raising the minimum wage, getting off fossil fuels, lowering health care costs, regulating the crooked home loan financial industry, etc. – are all far more important than any what any individual political figure does.
I mean, any political figure will have flaws; for example while Bernie Sanders did a great job, coming from nowhere, I think he flubbed the foreign policy issues entirely; not pushing back against Clinton on supporting the Honduras coup, going along with the drone strike program instead of pointing out that terrorists could be captured and tried in U.S. courts (as was done with the 1993 WTC bombing), not getting a good foreign policy team on board that could have exposed Clinton’s disasters in Libya and Syria, not pushing back against expanding NATO funding – really, without cutting the foreign military budget, how was Sanders going to pay for his domestic programs? Recall how Lyndon Johnson’s ‘Great Society’ was sacrificed to finance the Vietnam War?
No politician is going to be perfect; you still need independent people to push issues, playing follow-the-leader never works out in the long run (which is why we have term limits, right?)
As Bob Dylan said: “Don’t follow leaders, watch the parking meters.”
Great comments, and I know we will hear more from Bernie on the details and other issues when runs against the trumpeter clown.
The idea of middle class lives matter could be a good one, but all lives matter. Why don’t poor lives matter? If we constantly harp on the middle class, then we keep the class systems alive. All lives should thrive, no children should be born into poverty just as no children should be born to arrogance in privilege.
#BernSteinBears
Commence the most adorable political campaign of all time.
Lots of comments today! NY Whore Times asked for comments on how readers “view this moment” of Clinton trying to “unite” Sanders supporters with her corrupt, criminal primary “win”. Here is my comment:
How I view this moment. The hoopla and media bias will convince the weak minded and ignorant Dem inclined American people, much of them with a 10-second attention span, that this most compromised, entitled and possibly criminal candidate Clinton won fairly. Those who have been paying close attention, who know her record, and witnessed the corruption and multi-state vote fraud of the primary process will see it differently.
I have written to the Sanders campaign encouraging them to NOT go to the convention, because the Dem elite are convinced that they have successfully rigged the primary, and I think they may be correct in that assessment. Regardless, the Democratic Party is far too gone, too bought and too corrupt to reform.
I would encourage Senator Sanders to run as an Independent Democratic Socialist, invite Jill Stein and other Independents and a few Democrats of integrity to join him, and hold a convention in Burlington, Vt. A joyous convention, a new party, a new start, a “new birth of freedom” as Abe would say.
Once the Democrat elite unleashes one of the most brutal police forces in the country on demonstrators at a Philadelphia convention, to break heads and bones, and pepper spray to near asphyxiation, it will not have been worth it; not one demonstrator, young or old, should suffer an injury for the rotten Dems. Better to have a political Woodstock in Burlington, start a new party, and never vote Democrat again. I’m done with them, up ticket and down.
agreed- and we are doing the same!
Very well said. I can’t believe how much the shills are clinging to that “unity” argument. “We need the party to all pull together. That’s why we’re stacking the deck in every conceivable way against the popular candidate who represents the vast majority’s viewpoint on almost every domestic issue, who’s virtually guaranteed to trounce the other side come election day, and urging everyone instead to get in line behind an irredeemably corrupt enemy of everything they want, the only candidate weak enough to possibly lose.”
Bullshit. If Hill was serious about party unity, she’d have dropped out by now.
Thanks. I work in mental health with brain injury clients. As I said, it is not worth one Sanders demonstrator, peaceful or otherwise, risking a brain injury from a police riot, to try to influence the corrupt Dems to hold a democratic, fair and open candidate selection. While Clinton may choose to vote to kill thousands of woman and children for her political bona fides (just the most important reason to NOT vote for her), Sanders should carefully consider that and NOT put his supporters at that realistic risk. Remember the “MOVE” movement, who were literally bombed out of their homes in Philadelphia?
http://thegrio.com/2013/09/05/let-the-fire-burn-new-documentary-tells-the-story-of-move-black-group-bombed-by-philadelphia-police/
The machine Dems are going to do everything they can to intimidate Sanders to coercing his supporters to vote for their criminal candidate. I vote “INDICT”. I hope when he meets the war criminal Obama today, that he has just four words for him–STFU.
Any deals for party platform inclusion, which the Dems would quickly renege on, or position, which Clinton would ignore, are foolish. If he can’t make effective reform of the Democratic Party, and he cannot, it is best to leave—and take millions of supporters, such as myself, with him. If the independent Libertarian Johnson runs, a four way election is winnable by Sanders. Risk it, because we are risking either Trump or Clinton in a 2-way race. Both totally unacceptable to me, and many I know.
They long ago made their choice, and will stick with her to the bitter end. Bernie can help the Dems make it the most bitter by running as an Independent, what he is.
Due to their corruption, he can justify it to many who already know it was rigged. I think his fear of being a “spoiler” is suspect, as some stated before the election that he may be a stalking horse, intentionally or unintentionally, for the Dems. I would like to think that he is a person of integrity and conviction, but several times during the campaign he made crucial mistakes and many supporters, such as the Young Turks’ Cenk Yuger asked him in interviews about those missteps. One was not, after the email fraud came more to light, going after her about the criminal behavior. He said “that is not the type of campaign I am running”, which since he declared that he was going to go all the way, does not add up. It is totally legitimate to attack her on her criminality, not legitimate to go after her with unfounded smears. So he was contradicting himself. I lived in Vermont for decades and always voted for Sanders, and met him when he came to my town to throw a community dinner meet & greet. He struck me as a “careful” politician, in the sense that he thinks before he speaks, a rare quality.
I will vote for Dr. Jill Stein, Greens, if Bernie “falls in line”. Again.
They cling to the “unite” myth because they cling to the myths, distortions,diversions and outright lies of the whole Clinton myth. There are not able to objectively reason, intelligently discern, or give up their lust (and hers) for power, positions and perks. Corruption laid bare.
They also think that since their party primary rigging appears to be succeeding, that they can rig the general. They’ll try if it is close. I doubt they will succeed, as they don’t run the SCOTUS yet. I’ll be voting Green, and then I can whine at THEM for 16 years when they lose SCOTUS to Trump because of their flawed, corrupt candidate.
Another Woodstock in Vermont in August sounds wonderful.
Starting your own party now won’t get Bernie elected though, since I would still like to prevent the destruction of America (Clintonx2 or Trump).
Can’t write in candidates in 7 states, and the other states have specific requirements for write in candidates and time limits to apply to be a write in.
Green Party is feasible, they have their convention in August. However, several states do not have the green party on their ballots and require some action (probably petitions). Look to Jill Stein 2016 website for your state.
That’s a hell of an idea–I love it! If Bernie can make it happen, maybe FDR can turn back over in comfort in his grave. He has to be totally exhausted down there from all his shuffling.
My comment on the print version front page of the NY Times June 8th, to them. Don’t know if they posted it, doubt it:
The print edition of today’s NY Times has the sub headline:
“A Long Journey, Fueled by Grit, to the Finish”
You really need to proofread, and train your electronic layout people better, as they dropped an “f”. It should have read:
“A Long Journey, Fueled by Grift, to the Finish”
Here’s an interesting read with more on the CA primary: reports of truckloads of ballots gone missing, statistical anomalies and what looks almost like sabotage of the voting process through incompetence.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/09/where-are-the-missing-california-primary-votes/
But can she beat Donald? Let the wild rumpus begin.
The problem with our screwed up governing process is the effects of factionalism of the 1%. A small faction of our country plots and carries out its schemes to the detriment of the majority. Creditor interests have more influence in legislation that debtor’s interests.
Madison says it best in Federalist #10: “There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.”
Madison later concludes that ‘controlling the effects’ are the only means available to cure the problem of factionalism.
Madison states: “The inference to which we are brought is, that the causes of faction cannot be removed, and that relief is only to be sought in the means of controlling its effects.”
He believed a large enough republic was the solution. However, since money influences everyone, we are susceptible to its effects, especially career politicians and the election cycle.
Therefore, the solution is to reduce the effects of money….yes, easier said than done. Legislating money doesn’t work as we have seen with the Citizen’s United ruling. The 1% always find a way around it. Therefore, prevention of career politicians might be a solution.
Proposed 28th Amendment
1. All current members of Congress are hereby dismissed and removed from office for a period of 10 years. (select a future date out 2 years to implement)
2. Each State will randomly selects it representatives to serve a 2 year term from a voluntary list of candidates who meet the qualification of being at least 35 years of age and have an accredited degree from a post high school institution.
3. The term for a Junior senator is hereby extended to a 10 year term
4. The term for a Senior senator is hereby extended to a 20 year term
5. The department of Justice and the appointment of the Attorney General is hereby removed from the office of the Executive and resides with the Senate
6. The term of office of the Attorney General is 4 years
By removing the election cycle from the House members, you remove the effects of career politicians and the effects of monies being sent to them. The debtors (which are a majority of the country) now have control of the House, and a sizeable interest in making legislation. Influence peddlers can certainly try to bribe legislation and have it presented, but it will most likely fail because Party has been removed as well as all the Paid-For Politicians.
The 1% is still invested in government as the Senate still holds elections, but the influence of the 1% is reduced over the longer time of the new extended term.
Removing the Justice department from the Executive removes many (but not all) of the follies of the Executive branch with their memos, etc.
It’s our government. We can change it if we really want to.
If you want someone who is against institutionalized racism and really ‘stands out’ I think a Mexican woman president would have by far been the best. She should ideally be from a lower-income zone and it’s really awesome because she’s an immigrant and a naturalized citizen. I dream of the day we can elect an Immigrant Mexican Woman President. That would really prove how not-racist-bigoted-woman hating we as Americans really are.
Apparently the democrats think they can win elections without the liberal wing of the party, and Bernie doesn’t strike me as a sheepdog for the DNC. How much damage and fallout the party will endure from this remains to be seen. Both parties are overt corporatists, we’ve it looks like we’ve entered the reality of Huxley, not Orwell.
Jill Stein and the Green Party looks like a good place to set up Camp for 2018 and beyond.
Perfect contribution, Glenn. Let me add that folks are not as stupid as the elite thinks. The more egregious fraudster in the election will be defeated
The “folks are not as stupid as the elite thinks” you say? I edited what I wrote a day or so ago a bit.
“Worst of both worlds, one from the despicable party (“D”) and another somehow coming from its equally detestable peer, the repulsive party (“R”), merged to create a grotesque synergy of fear and loathing,” and as I went back there I felt despair. It feels worse than it looks like. And it looks bad…
All that’s there is our fault. We are letting this to happen.
https://medium.com/@romanlatkovic/hypocrisy-fear-of-the-establishments-ventriloquists-2a5788f1baa1#.ql5m07fdp
barabbas: I was trying to lure Jimmy out of hiding to ask him WHY won’t she release the transcripts. Of course, he would dodge the question, but I always find his bullshit answers entertaining, in a perverse sort of way!
sure.
always interesting to see the extent of their twisted ways.
challenges are good.
I’m surprised that Mr. Greenwald didn’t also mention that in 2008, Hilary Clinton also won the popular vote, but the DNC awarded the nomination to Obama based on Superdelegate votes (and delegate votes that he did not earn, given that the DNC provided him with delegates from both Michigan and Florida, places where he was not even on the ballot).
Very well expressed. It may well have been inevitable that Senator Sanders would lose this nomination, but to see his candidacy thwarted at every turn by the party apparatus, to see the Corporate candidates rise unhindered on both sides of the aisle, does nothing to instill an ounce of confidence in the democratic process or the likelihood that any interests, other than those of the very wealthy, will again be of political concern to the ruling class.
The goddam thing is broke ! Burn it !!!!
So now we have presidential families….The next time why not make it a monarchy and save us the shame and despair to see the country turned into a three ring circus ?
Donald is not going to be worse than Hillary..Only just a bad.
Captured my sentiment well, Mr Greenwald.
While MSNBC was the only cable network to broadcast the news, instead of looking like they led the coverage, I thought it made them look mean and petty.
I read something last week that MSNBC intended to announce HRC as the winner early. I think they just assumed the eastern delegate counts would put her over the top. Nice that they went after this story so vigorously while ignoring so many other important stories and issues.
Not turning on the television until late, I missed the real AP story. I went up and down the “dial” and since nobody else was reporting this, I formed my opinion early. I hadn’t heard about the unnamed sources until now. Whoa…
Watching RT last night, the crawl mentioned that the Clintons are friends with Google (yes, humans and a corporation). I cannot assume that it is Mr Schmidt, the face at all kinds of Obama events. Noticeable to the point that Thomas Frank wondered about the omnipresent Mr Schmidt in Listen, Liberal. Mr Schmidt ties the two politicians together in several narratives. With that RT crawl, it makes you wonder how magical it is having (a) Google during a primary and then presidential contest. (It makes me wonder.)
Mr Schmidt loves Mr. Kissinger, and was one of a gang that went to that estate in England when Assange was there under house arrest to talk to him. I think Schmidt is a real danger to Democracy, the one behind the curtain of Big Brother-1984 style.
And this is how it goes in American politics these days and days of past. This sickens me to the core. We have rules and laws in our political process and all of them have been tossed out the door with BOUGHT media playing a major role in the manipulated process. They have a lot to lose if Trump is elected. All the crookedness going on behind the scenes will cease. The manipulation will gain momentum so as to see that Trump does not succeed. They know if they choose to kill him it will not sit well with the citizens so they will manipulate from behind the scenes. I hope Trump continues to expose what is going on and fights like hell.
You do realize that Trump is a shill, don’t you? He and the Clintons go back years. He ran GOP to take down the party so Hillary could waltz her way to the WH unimpeded.
lol–okay
Very few Americans know this, and most, when they hear it, laugh it off.
Their friendship is decades old, and with the agreement to publicly undermine the Republican party, he was able to garner future favors that are priceless.
Incidentally, there are suggestions that the Republicans went along with the charade, as Hillary is a hard core Republican, hiding in Democratic clothing, and her backers (corporate America), also are in bed with the Republican party.
The United States government is wholly owned and operated by American and international corporations, and with Hillary in the White House, the goal of worldwide Plutocracy is nearly complete.
And the people, “Let them eat cake”, as a French sovereign said before her appointment with the guillotine.
Economic slavery is here.
The idea is funny, but if true, I don’t think they expected Donald to have to work so hard at intentionally losing to Hillary.
Nothing he does makes people like her more.
The beauty of it for Donald is that it’s not even work. He gets to walk out and do his stand-up improv act, have a bunch of laughs, get tons of free media coverage and rake in even more money in the process. I don’t think he’s genuinely concerned about the outcome. The State Apparatus is going to put their chosen empress on the throne one way or another; the actual hows of the process are none of his concern.
Thank you
Jimmy must be in a Clinton strategy meeting or passed out in a drunken stupor. Any bets?
jimmy is busy combing the internet to find Bernie supporters that will make themselves available to Hellery. It’s not working. President Obama had to be called in to hail Bernie for a sitdown. Bernie is not a sellout like Obama is on the TPP. This can really backfire on the dems (i am independent, not a groupie). Meanwhile the repubs are concerned about Johnson.
Would be really nice to see a 4-way.
Hey Glenn,
Love your work. I would love to contribute if you are in need of any help.
I live in Quebec, Canada and I feel like a perspective from Canadians could be beneficial to American people.
The real “tell” will be who she puts at Justice (someone from Covington-Burling or a similar firm) and at Treasury (probably Gary Gensler. her ex-Goldman-Sachs-Robert-Rubin-clone).
So again (thanks Obama), no financial oversight for at least 4 more years. And we can only hope that we avoid another statistically-probable financial crisis to occur in the next 5 years. If it does happen, however, just know that she’ll feel really conflicted about it and will remind us that she “told them to knock it off.”
Anything that might actually require her to fight for real economic progress for a struggling middle class, however, will be “politically unrealistic.” Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Worse yet, if Hillary appoints Victoria Nuland Secretary of State. The effect will be like turning on Skynet.
But we might get cookies.
the droids are already doing summersalts. I understand their aim and armour is pretty good too. Looking to the future, “i am a plant” clothing ought to be a big seller when things go sideways.
Hillary and the DNC are going to hand this country over to Trump Co. by trivializing the democratic process throughout the entirety of this campaign. It’s a sad day to be an American citizen.
I didn’t vote for her, was never with her but definitely identify as an American-
Their false fear fueling the restrictions in the truth, thru hidden action is all 1% en vogue n o w, butt when things roast is when it will be come interesting here-
12.21.20 will tell far more than 11/2016 can, regarding all that has happened in hiding for n o w-
:?)
Yes, maybe the Super Delegate institution is unfair, but I have to take issue with your characterization of the AP’s conduct.
The AP did what a good news organization is supposed to do. They chased down the delegates, tallied their preferences and reported their results.
I have to imagine that many of those Super Delegates would not have cooperated with the AP reporters if their identities were going to be revealed. And so, the news org made a judgment call. And it wasn’t a wild, anonymous source judgment call either. The AP editors trusted that their reporters verified with the actual delegates who the delegates were going to vote for. Bravo for some good old solid reporting.
BTW, it should be noted that Super Delegates can change their vote. But it should also be noted that “pledged delegates,” the ones elected or selected by each state, are not actually bound to vote for a specific candidate either. So on to the convention!
And FYI, I do not work for the AP now or ever before.
reads reminiscent of Nedra Pickler dung-
The AP did what a good news organization is supposed to do.
Straight-out declare the outcome of an undecided event a month and a half before it happens? That strikes me as neither good nor news.
Funny they decided to do this the night before the CA primary
Solid reporting? Bullshit. AP violated their own editorial style guide (their term, not mine). And they release this the night before the last primary voting involving the largest state in the country? And the rest of the MSM runs with it. Yeah, no coincidence or agenda at play there, is there?
And the next day we get results reflecting low voter turnout in California and everywhere else. Repeat, in California, where registration was reportedly surging in the weeks and months ahead of the election).
The Democratic primary process has been a disgrace, but for many it has revealed the true face of the party to progressives. The AP story was the cherry on the cake.
This release is what a candidate gets from their donors…favors;once this was released and published the damage was done;those involved know the game…well.And play it well! Who saw this coming? So the next feature will be how having her now pretty much locked up the nomination for her party, will be to get her passed the Trump.
A few other points- a single four year term?
– her vp choice
– a republican house and senate and their despising her
chances any of her policies passing(help may come from
Wall St.as repubs want/need there business too)
– indictment,but that seems less likely as time passes
– can she beat DTrump without Sanders supporters
– big one- will we be in another major conflict
– and will any of her policies even help the people
– money does purchase a lot and she has a lot from…
let’s just say from around the world……
The joy, accomplishment & pride that should’ve been present in the potential of a woman as President was robbed from me due to the facts surrounding Clinton’s past record, who financed her campaign, & with what means & ethics she employed to achieve this nomination. There was no honor & respect in her candidacy.
Hillary Clinton is an embarrassment & insult to ‘Women’ & any cause associated with gender-issues.
A pyrrhic & empty victory…
As a feminist of over 40 yrs, let’s be clear. Hillary Clinton did not do anything for ‘me’, as a woman, mother[single parent], & grandmother but ‘historically document’ the monumental scope of corruption, decay, & deceit that both she & The Democratic Party now irrefutably define. I find the nomination of an individual for President of The United States who is & has been associated with so many fraudulent & deceptive activities to be totally surreal. Amazing that The American People could actually allow such documented scammers & wasters like “The Clintons[sic]”,even within walking distance of The White House much less in occupancy.
Clinton or Trump?
There’s a sense of some sort of inner shame in even having to confront such an unkind, tragic selection. We can no longer accept the things we can not change, we must change the things we can not accept.
“Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.”
Lucy Parsons
If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.
Mark Twain
Pretty much says it all.
The success of the Clinton nomination was that it showed millions of Americans that they were more socialist than they knew, so Sanders should run as a third party candidate.
It’s not over yet…
…. the struggle continues.
At this point, that the goal of the American public should be to ensure that, regardless of which of these hopeless candidates, Clinton or Trump, is eventually selected, their policies are never enacted and they remain as lame ducks throughout their one-term presidencies.
One tactic is to start lobbying Congress now – send letters to your closest Democratic representatives, telling the how important it is that they block all of Trump’s policy agendas – and send another one to your closest Republican representatives, telling them how important it is that they block all of Clinton’s policy agendas.
In your anti-Clinton letter, include the private email server, the destruction of emails, the corruption of the Clinton Foundation, concerns about disastrous foreign policy decisions in Libya and Syria, and anything else that hits Republican issues. Don’t bother with the neocon Republicans, though, they are in bed with Hillary on most issues. Her two-faced advocacy for fossil fuels is also something all Republicans, unfortunately, still support.
In your anti-Trump letter, include his tendency to race-bait. . . damn it, now I can’t think of as many negatives as with Clinton. Pulling U.S. money out of NATO is a good idea. Repealing NAFTA is a good idea. No more idiotic regime change games around the world is a good idea. . . . Okay, we can go with his idiotic unscientific stance on global warming, continuation of subsidies for fossil fuels, and his refusal to promote a renewable-energy based jobs program that would be good for the economy – those are big negatives for Trump, that will play well with Democrats.
And here’s another idea: how about Bernie Sanders supporter Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) for President in 2020?
Mr Photo,
We already had a deal and you were going to vote Trump. What happened? You know it’s important to honor the deals that you get into. You are behaving exactly like the past and present residents of White House where they show Hope first and then Delusion.
Okay; Clinton is worse than Trump. I think I got irritated with Trump over his ongoing denial of fossil-fueled global warming and lack of a plan to increase domestic renewable energy manufacturing jobs; of course Clinton the two-faced bait-and-switch monster gives lip service to concerns about climate change and then boosts Wall Street investment plans for fossil fuels.
Trump might be argued around, if the economic merits are made clear to him, I suppose, but Clinton is too dumb and cynical to do anything Wall Street doesn’t tell her to do; she’s just the hand of Goldman Sachs.
Arrrgggh! I’ll have to sleep on it. Maybe the Chinese will hire me to work for them? Crap. Gotta learn Mandarin, is it?
Our country is losing everywhere. We can’t even deal with head-chopping ISIL and Saudi goons. The Turkeys and Pakis are partying after fooling us with their tricks. Unbelievable.
Here’s the deal. We have to vote for Trump and make him win. We have to start winning again. There is no alternative. The Chinese and Mexicans and Indians and Vietnamese people are raping us. We need to send our best folks to make proper deals with them. We need a lot of golf courses for a greener environment. We need to construct high-rise towers to accommodate the homeless. We need walls to protect our borders. We won’t get nothing unless Trump is elected. That is the deal. Together with Trump we are going to screw the Saudis who are the reason we are in this mess.
hang on General … how can you say: *We can’t even deal with head-chopping ISIL and Saudi goons.* … when these organisations are not only products of US policy, they fit hand in glove in the administrations agenda.
… *deal with* ??? … WTF … they’re your Middle East tools of justification (along with Saddam’s WMD) !
even Generals from Military / Intel publicly admit as much:
Hasan / Flynn interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4
Goodman / Clarke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL3JqorkdU
Denialism :
In the psychology of human behaviour, denialism is a person’s choice to deny reality, as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.
The motivations and causes of denialism include religion and self-interest (economic, political, financial) and defence mechanisms meant to protect the psyche of the denialist against mentally disturbing facts and ideas.
y’all have lost the plot …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDpDouug44
General Hercules Big Accident
http://grist.org/politics/pollution-is-now-coming-from-donald-trumps-golf-course-in-addition-to-his-mouth/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/03/31/3764903/trump-golf-course-potomac/
Trump Cut Down Hundreds Of Environmentally Important Trees To Build Luxury Golf Course
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2016/02/02/trump-vows-cut-epa-if-elected-president
Trump Vows to Cut EPA If Elected President
Mr. Greenwald
This is certainly one of your classic, bitter anti-American articles.
“…….And just as was true in 2008 with Obama’s nomination……..Clinton’s nomination is an important and positive milestone. Americans, being Americans, will almost certainly overstate its world significance and wallow in excessive self-congratulations: Many countries on the planet have elected women as their leaders, including many whose close family member had not previously served as president……”
This is very similar in tone to your article written after Bin Laden was assassinated (Salon; “Killing of bin Laden: What are the consequences?” May 2, 2011)
“……The killing of Osama bin Laden is one of those events which, especially in the immediate aftermath, is not susceptible to reasoned discussion………all Good Americans chant “USA! USA!” in a celebration of this proof of our national greatness and Goodness (and that of our President)…… And then there’s the notion that America has once again proved its greatness and preeminence by killing bin Laden. Americans are marching in the street celebrating with a sense of national pride…….It seems telling that hunting someone down and killing them is one of the few things that still produce these feelings of nationalistic unity. I……..had actually intended to make this point with regard to our killing of Gadaffi’s son in Libya — a mere 25 years after President Reagan bombed Libya and killed Gadaffi’s infant daughter. That is something the U.S. has always done well and is one of the few things it still does well……….”
I love your last line – and it is a very telling (about your view of Americans): “One of the few things left that Americans still do well”.
Priceless Mr. Greenwald.
Bitter Anti-Americanism? Come on, don’t you know that those who refuse to honestly examine their own flaws will never be able to overcome them?
There is nothing quite as ridiculous as some jackass like Donald Rumsfeld running around, high on his own PR, believing he’s a genius when in reality he’s a clueless idiot.
Just look at history, the endless line of leaders who surrounded themselves with sycophants and flatterers: “Oh yes, my Lord, you are so wise, your decisions are perfect!”
Do you really believe that kind of empty-headed ‘patriotism’ is anything other than a justification for continuation of the disastrous status quo?
Yes, America used to be the world leader in manufacturing; but the idiots in Washington rigged trade deals that let corporations ship almost everything except weapons manufacturing abroad; now we’re way behind other countries in manufacturing.
Yes, America used to be a world leader in research and development, but funds for public education were cut and now we have high school students entering colleges in need of remedial math; China and Japan and Germany don’t have that problem, do they?
Empty-headed cheerleading won’t change those realities, you bubblehead. Only a major shift in policies, like Sanders has proposed, will do that.
“……Bitter Anti-Americanism? Come on, don’t you know that those who refuse to honestly examine their own flaws will never be able to overcome them?…..”
Of course, there is nothing wrong with self examination, but you can hardly ignore the obvious loathing of Americans by Greenwald:
“……..Americans, being Americans, will almost certainly overstate its world significance and wallow in excessive self-congratulations…..”
At the Guardian, he wrote an article criticizing “American exceptionalism”. This is just follow-up work by Greenwald (“Americans, being American”).
“……There is nothing quite as ridiculous as some jackass like Donald Rumsfeld running around, high on his own PR, believing he’s a genius when in reality he’s a clueless idiot…..”
You are kidding I hope. Rumsfeldt came up with one of my favorite sayings of all time:
“……..There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know……”
Rumsfeld is no idiot, photo. Jesus.
“……Do you really believe that kind of empty-headed ‘patriotism’ is anything other than a justification for continuation of the disastrous status quo?……”
Status quo in what areas? All areas? Economy? Foreign policy? This all depends on what you believe America’s place in the world is today. For example, Hillary might give us more “status quo” in the Middle East than Obama did to counter Russia, Syria and Iran. Just depends on what you believe is the right course of action to achieve stability and peace in the world.
“…….Yes, America used to be the world leader in manufacturing; but the idiots in Washington rigged trade deals that let corporations ship almost everything except weapons manufacturing abroad; now we’re way behind other countries in manufacturing……”
The trade deals were good for lifting millions of people in the developing world out of poverty. Additionally, US corporations had to compete on a global level which was nearly impossible with the cheap labor and lax environmental and safety standards overseas. Our high standard of living versus the low standard of living in the third world could not be maintained in my opinion. Those trade deals will never be reversed.
“……..Empty-headed cheerleading won’t change those realities, you bubblehead. Only a major shift in policies, like Sanders has proposed, will do that……”
I don’t think I said anything about cheerleading in my post. I just took exception to Greenwald’s bitter remarks about Americans. He has a history of such mindless criticism of the American population.
Thanks photo
didnt anyone warn you about getting high on your own supply?
Here craig, I found something just for you – it’s a test devised by U.S. scientists during World War II, a personality test aimed at indentifying authoritarian fascist tendencies:
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/06/how-world-war-ii-scientists-invented-a-data-driven-approach-to-fighting-fascism/
“As the war raged overseas, Daniel Levinson, Nevitt Sanford, and Else Frenkel-Brunswik decided to use the greatest power at their disposal – scientific rationality – to stop fascism from ever rising again. They did it by inventing a personality test eventually named the F-scale, which they believed could identify potential authoritarians. This wasn’t some plot to weed out bad guys. The researchers wanted to understand why some people are seduced by political figures like Adolf Hitler, and they had a very idealistic plan to improve education so that young people would become more skeptical of Hitler’s us-or-them politics.”
Time for a little self-examination . . .?
Particularly for someone who believes that “Rumsfeld is no idiot.”
What Photo? You think I’m an authoritarian? You have no idea how much that pains me…….
Re: craigsummers Jun 8 @ 10:02 AM
The return of your unapologetic jingoism provides a stark reminder of just how unhinged you and your fellow mindless Trumpette & Clintonette enablers are; which ever version of this pseudo-nationalist political quagmire prevails, peace and public progress is sacrificed, yet again, on a common alter of blood and sorrow.
As Usual,
EA
You have to love the voting process. It is good to know that the American dream is alive and well. Any billionaire can become President.
Thanks.
And he is right. My advice: leave the country and travel. You might just learn about just how delusional you are. Viel Glueck auf die Reise der Selbstforschung!
Chances of me leaving the country in the short term are not very good. Regardless, I have no desire to visit Europe, but I plan to visit Iceland and possibly Peru/Chile in the future. Mostly, I am fairly content to stay in the US.
Thanks Veritas.
Now Clinton can put together her ticket.
She’s tapping Martin Shkreli as her VP, and they’re calling it the Super Predator ticket.
If this pos had done one heroic thing in the last 20 years in the corridors of power,one might have a little sympathy for her,but on every goddamn occasion she has only capitulated to Americas enemies and fomented disaster after disaster with wrongheaded decisions.lies and obfuscation of reality.
Not once has she tried any attempt at bucking convention and the absolute terrible legacy of neolibconism.
Tonite Hellery did an interview with PBS and when asked if attacking Libya was her recommendation she said that no Americans were lost. I guess she didnt consider the scope of the situation to the point where 4 Americans died in Benghazi. I suppose if challenged on that she might say it wasnt supposed to happen or things are unpredictable.
It’s just a repeat of 2008
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/03/uselections2008.barackobama
I think most people feel nothing but contempt towards the mainstream media. Trump has been right about one thing: a large contingent of the MM is corrupt and dishonest. One can’t help but be sickened by this latest travesty…
Jackson Browne said it best – “Lives in the Balance”
I’ve been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you’ve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war
And there’s a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs
On the radio talk shows and the T.V.
You hear one thing again and again
How the U.S.A. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can’t take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire
There’s a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can’t even say the names
They sell us the President the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they’re never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire
Candace beclowns herself:
No. The Sanders campaign was, among other things, meant to put him in the Oval Office.
Sure you did, sweetheart. You “waited” your little heart out.
I detest Hillary Clinton, and did so well before I even knew more than that Bernie Sanders was this Independent senator from Vermont. What his campaign did do, so fantastically, is highlight for many (especially youngs) all the justified reasons to renounce almost everything Hillary Clinton stands for as well as the neoliberal, Democratic Party establishment she helped bring about and which she now leads.
Now, here is where our gal Candace especially amuses:
Candace, Candace, Candace. Glenn Greenwlad has been justly pointing out the vile actions and words of Hillary Clinton for many years now. Well, well before this campaign season. I promise you, if there’s one thing a President Hillary will do, it is to provide heaping mounds of excellent fodder for his (properly) scathing critiques of this vile woman.
So if you think her being the nominee is going to “change things” in terms of Greenwald becoming all deferential and respectful toward Hillary fucking Clinton, well, I think you get the message now, right?
So true.
And GG will have plenty of company.
Candace doesn’t realize that quite a few supporters of Bernie Sanders are that rare thing in US presidential politics: positively enthusiastic about their candidate’s policies and character!
Certainly the first time in my life that I’ve sustained this enthusiasm this long in the electoral process, and I’m more than 50 years old.
Meanwhile. Last year I was planning to continue my non-support of Hillary Clinton, and my hope for the destruction of the power center of the Democratic Party, and my further hope for the destruction of the smug complacency of the average Democratic Party voter.
And now I can go back to that — but with SO MANY more reasons to do so, and SO MANY more friends to count in. Thank you Bernie!
I don’t expect Bernie to fall on his sword for us and do a 3rd party run now. I expect him to tepidly endorse Hillary. I do expect that he will resist the notion that he controls his “followers” (the media loves this angle). I don’t “follow” Bernie — I just wanted to vote for him. I have company.
As for the more frightened-by-Trump Sanders supporters thinking of going back to the usual 4 year algebra (even with the dilemma of the annoying orange), some advice:
If this is really a movement, then keep moving. Think more than one election at a time. Don’t be frightened out of your wits. The only way a Donald Trump exists in the first place is because of the space allotted for him politically by the slow rightward movement of the Democratic Party. Be more frightened of the Something Worse that will always be around the corner every time you surrender. It is never too late to say NO to a cyclical logic designed only to get you to give up.
Rewarding the Democratic Party right now would be a disaster for all leftward movements in the USA. This is far more important to the future than the question of whichever of these two horrible people occupies the White House.
Mona that was amazing! I love it. You obviously “get” the campaign of Bernie Sanders. Your reply was perfect to the comment (believed FAR too widely!!!) that the Sanders campaign was for “encouraging discussion”. High-five.
The Empire strikes back
“it should not be forgotten that a Clinton presidency, in addition to being historic in one respect, would also be a continuation—as opposed to a ground-breaking shift—of a march down the path of neoliberal folly bought and paid for by Wall Street and the military-industrial complex.”
If Sanders Has Lost, What Have the Democrats Won? | Common Dreams | Breaking News
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/07/if-sanders-has-lost-what-have-democrats-won
1. The race tightens to a virtual tie
2. Hillary races to California and spends 1 million to breech the wall
3. NYTimes reports Clinton wins “AP says”
4. Race is now at 60%-40%
5. Once again Sanders gets sandbagged by Corporate Media & DNC.
Biggest surprise of today: the amazement from Clinton, Obama, and Corporate Media that Sanders didn’t concede last night. You’re about to learn that the dog you have been kicking around and playing tricks on has some teeth
What the AP did was wrong but Hillary won because of early voting, not because of the AP call. Truth is she and Bernie basically tied among votes cast on election day, just as predicted. No one got sandbagged by anyone.
“Virtual tie”?
How about 2008, when Clinton beat Obama in popular vote, and had about 100 less pledged delegates, but the AP called Obama the presumptive nominee before polls closed on June 3rd. He won with superdelegates.
Does nobody pay attention? This isn’t new.
She has the gleam of madness in her eyes. she scares me – i think she is power mad.
Listen to her language and watch her body language. You’re right of course.
I looked at politico for election results. They had HRC winning 300 to 1 before the polls opened. Welcome to Hillaryland.
Bernie Sanders is a democrat to the core. It will be only a matter of time before he dutifully fulfills his role in this election cycle by bringing the young and independent vote into the democrats (Hillary’s) tent. Clutching at straws that either party offers is akin to taking candy from a pedophile.
No. That’s absurd.
He ran as an Independent for decades, and joined the Democrats only in 2015 to run for president. He’s a social democrat.
He almost certainly will endorse Hillary in the general election, but it remains to be seen whether this is a formality or something he enthusiastically promotes. Moreover, he’s already said he can’t tell anyone who to vote for, and a good 30% of his supporters won’t vote for her.
That includes many of us here.
No. That’s absurd… He almost certainly will endorse Hillary in the general election. – Mona
Talk about cognitive dissonance…
“He almost certainly will endorse Hillary in the general election”
Why would he do that?
For the same unfathomable reasons you do, gator. \../
*i was picking daisies and lo, a loud Trumpet sounded from the clouds proclaiming fear me as thou fearest thy Lawd! *Trump (paraphrased.)
Because right at the start he promised to endorse the eventual nominee? I suspect it’s part of the rules of the game… maybe a concession he had to make in order to run as a D in the first place. Maybe he genuinely believes it’s important to that mythical “party unity” or something.
Maybe I’m being unreasonably hopeful (and I do usually know better), but I like to think a good chunk of Bernie’s base will be too smart to fall in line. Hill will shout her little black heart out trying to fearmonger about a President Drumpf, and maybe some folks will be convinced he’s the greater evil, but there are encouraging signs that more people are rejecting both.
“Because right at the start he promised to endorse the eventual nominee?”
How could he make such a promise, knowing the eventual nominee was likely to be Clinton? I thought he was principled!
He will come out in support,as he ran as a Democrat.
Any Sanders supporter who backed him,can never vote for her,unless of course they are phonies.
I think this is correct, because Bernie has integrity and is loyal to his campaign team. So, he will endorse Hillary eventually as promised, in exchange for jobs for his people and other concessions.
But his endorsement will be more anti-Trump than pro-Hillary, and his efforts and energy will actually be going towards building up the amazing movement he embraced and that his campaign helped expand.
Bernie didn’t start the movement, and his loss won’t end it.
Ah,the rub,he has to declare his loyalty to the most screwed up resume of any POTUS candidate in history,with a track record of complete shite,a deal with the devil.
Trump says;BS supporters welcomed with open arms.
Sanders positions were much closer to Trumps in every way,btw,and the alternative is just too terrible to contemplate.
A bubblehead(truth) in control of the worlds major lethal force,ready and willing to annihilate millions for Zion and empire,ready to escalate Russophobia,and the Chinese menace garbage.
Trump has embraced the failed Republican ideology including flip-flopping to grovel for AIPAC, Wall Street, oil companies and the warmongers… so your assertions are incorrect… and Bernie agrees.
None of the above is the wise choice.
As Mona mentioned, a Trump win would make Dems remember their progressive side (while a Clinton win would continue the rightward descent), but that is a potentially dangerous tactic with someone as unstable and malleable as Trump.
I will be voting for Jill Stein, and will sleep soundly… and will challenge whoever does win as neither represents what would be good for our country.
As a woman and foreign attorney who chose this country to be a citizen of, still I’m looking for democracy that I came to live in. I wanted my history at the White House to start no doubt but not through an undemocratic, coup de ta type and I am ashamed of having bunch of corrupt people in a corrupt way to start my history as a woman with this corrupt lesser evil , demogoger, criminal with the help of another as DNC chairwoman. Such a dull , doom day. Sorry America , wake up.
I don’t find Bernie Sanders all that appealing although he seems to be a decent principled man and has a long record of relative consistency. I have a feeling that if not for the undemocratic closed primary states that disenfranchise the independent voter, Bernie Sanders would have blown this witch away in votes and delegates. That’s another way the party’s collude to get the result they want, and make no mistake this one was decided from the start, the democratic process was never going to get in the way of the coronation. The democratic process doesn’t even exist in America anymore.
The dirty trick worked too. Clinton won California by a much bigger margin than recent polls were predicting.
She won because of early voting, which all happened before the AP call. The votes cast on election day were a virtual tie, just like the polls predicted.
In every minority large state ,Sanders hasn’t fared as well as HRC.
California played to its percentages,unfortunately.
I remember Sanders saying,correctly of course,that a nation should control its borders.
There you have it.Another reason to close the borders,the quality of intellect and allegiance of the jumpers is obviously suspect.
We are been taken for suckers as Americans. The game is rigged in favor of the 1% by the 1% for the 1%.
As long as this paradigm is allowed to exist, our own existence is at stake. The “For Profit Before People” motto is defunct and its tools must be rendered moot for all our sakes and those behind it must be neutralized.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/petergabriel/wedowhatweretold.html
Media, mediocre media, replaces democracy with mediacracy . The media conditions and primes the primaries for a result.
The world will not be impressed if a female wins the presidency. For the world knows America is evil to the core. The world hates Clinton. Her getting the nomination will cause fear and loathing in rational people.
Men like Sanders are not evil and therefore they will be stopped. The media will put a stop to them by their subtle and at times blatant manipulations of information.
As shown in the comments here there are bright, knowledgeable, well informed and rational Americans. There is not enough of them in the country to make a change to the American regime. Besides the game is rigged.
Game of thrones over USA.
Hail Hillary the next Empress of Death.
Hmmm… a lecture in mediocrity by someone who chooses to call themself “Justanthotherone.”
Lets ponder how humility is not mediocre.
Your mediocre reply contains two errors.
Themself should be themselves and justanotherone is all small capitals.
Keep trying though, rise from the ashes and endeavour to persevere.
By the way did you have a point to make or are ad homs the sum of your wealth.
Whenever one resorts to pointing out the spelling errors of their detractors, we can be quite certain that they have no legitimate defense of their position (or, in this case, disposition).
Ponder this: Humility and mediocrity are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Those who aspire to mediocrity have a lot to be humble about.
Lastly, I was just making an amusing aside (theatrically speaking). Who would have guessed that a little lighthearted levity would have so ruffled the feathers of an anonymous avatar.
P.s. My use of the word “themself” was correct:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/themselves-or-themself
Just asking;What amusing aside?
Mediocrity?Do you like HRC?????
Give us a reason?
Hmmm…my comments not going through
Huh?
Regardless of whether or not there have been female leaders in other country’s, it does not lessen the importance, and the impact, in our country taking another step out of the last century.
That being said, I think we’re all just a bit tired of the electoral college, and of these delegates and super delegates talking for, and/or usurping, the will of the voters. And all of the sordid goings-on coupled with this primary run have certainly not helped our perception of this as a corrupted process. It all reminds one of Tammany Hall, and merely reinforces every warning that the founding fathers made, along with their predictions, for this country, as regards money, power, and politics.
Greenwald always speaks truth to power.
Hillary has won the popular vote, the most states, and now the majority of pledged delegates. Can we finally give credit where credit is due? Will Bernie finally step down, so the Democratic Party can concentrate on the General Election? At this point, it’s either misogyny or denialism for him to remain in the race and fight for superdelegates that until today he said were unfair.
Come to grips with reality already. Clinton was heavily sponsored by the DNC, which had immense involvement with the pollings. They were the ones who made it so that millions and millions of people were purged from the voting booths. She pulled a dirty trick, and Bernie had more votes than her. He still does, which is why she is conducting press releases trying to intimidate Bernie into conceding before we get all the votes back from the 7 primary states.
Oh, and also fuck off you miscreant. If you look at HRC’s facebook page and compare it with that of Bernie you’ll see that the latter is riddled with positive comments on the first page whereas the former is entirely clad in negativity. She owns CNN, conducted a press release to tell everyone that she had won BEFORE results of California even started rolling in. She was trying to force Bernie to concede, and thankfully he did not. He still has a very real chance of winning with all the absentee votes coming in, and the convention.
So, fuck off you miscreant. There is going to be hell to pay if Bernie doesn’t win, and I’m quite worried about what will happen to our country if he loses. I wouldn’t be surprised if America exploded into civil war immediately. We are not going to tolerate the corruption any longer, not for another 4 years, not for another DAY. It ends NOW.
You are a blatant moron if you really believe that. MILLIONS OF VOTERS were purged from the voting polls, and most of them were Bernie supporters! She has done absolutely nothing other than pull dirty tricks to clinch this nomination, and if she truly does win I fear for our country. I would not be at all surprised if the country exploded into a civil war if Hillary ever became president.
Compare Hillary’s facebook with that of Bernie Sanders. The former is riddled with negativity whereas the latter is entirely clad in glowing comments. You still don’t think something’s fishy? You see, my friend, that’s because you are a silly Hitlaroid who cares nothing about the fact that he is considered a mindless drone working at the system that only benefits the 1%. There are still the absentee ballots, approximately 2/3 of California’s votes HAVE not been counted yet.
And there are more in other states, so don’t get your ducks in a row just yet. She is not that far ahead of him in any way.
You captured the moment Mr. Greenwald. They have gotten what they wanted and deserve. Let’s see if it costs them the White House.
Well said Glenn. They are high fiving in the Goldman Sachs board room!
There’s a lot of weird talk in these comments – so much so, I wonder if Trump has hired some folks to try to scramble Democrats’ heads. For that matter, it’s even possible that Trump was the one that paid off AP to hit Bernie with this Election Day surprise, not Clinton as we all assumed, in order to delegitimize the primary election (even more so than it would have been). After all, what do we pay CEOs all those obscene amounts of money to do? To do underhanded shit nobody will ever know about, paying senators and organized criminals and even the occasional editor in chief.
Still, there are some regulars here who aren’t being paid to be stupid, and they need a serious wake up call. No, Trump is not a progressive, he is not the people’s candidate, and he is not going to do what you hoped for. He’s an actor, like Ronald Reagan, and his job is to talk about the Greatness of American Freedom while terrorists are being paid to shoot up the next Nicaragua. He already has a Republican-certified list of Supreme Court candidates, he’s already trusting Kissinger to tell him foreign policy. His constant vacillation and ignorance will make it easy for people to understand when he defers to whoever the hell really controls that party and gives them all their marching orders. His nominal resistance to the TPP doesn’t change that more Republicans have been for it than Democrats, and they will all do what they’re told when the vote comes up.
But above all this there is the problem that Trump is calling us with a siren song to put away the relics of the Republic – to praise torture as a national pastime, to look for some rich guy to tell us what to do and solve all our problems, to treat political positions and promises by our representatives as nothing but entertainment television.
Clinton isn’t a great candidate – she’s a holdover from the globalistic, militaristic government of the 1990s. However, as people who have lived the last two decades may have noticed, we could do better than the 1990s. We don’t want to move into the future here. The best change we can hope for is no change, and we know no change won’t last long. American democracy – such as it ever was! – does not have long to live, but let’s hold on to it for the next four years. The first emperor already has his day marked on the calendar – let him wait for it.
“For that matter, it’s even possible that Trump was the one that paid off AP”
Please resist the urge to conspiratize. AP is conservative enough to desire to deflate Sanders on its own.
People who have lived the last five decades have thought that American democracy was dead long before now, I assure you. Something about 1963 did a lot for that, much less what followed. We seem to have returned to a police state that resembles what we saw at the DNC, and Brown University, back in the 60’s.
That being said, we are all getting fed up with it, and getting fed up with the feeling of powerlessness to change it-and that is what the supporters of Bernie Sanders are trying to tell everyone, loud and clear. Too many people were saying that a Sanders run was impossible-much the way they wring their hands and cry about the futility of standing up to this out-of-control government. Eisenhower warned you, and then Kennedy warned you-the secret back door powers running this government were running amok. It is long past time to break from the status quo.
The problem I have with the “Bernie movement” is … where IS it? A proper 1960s like movement doesn’t just show up at the polls on Election Day! It was at draft offices, at universities, outside Congress, in the public squares, in the radical media, even in the press, and it never stopped saying one thing after another. But for Bernie I’m supposed to believe that some people coming and being statistics in one column rather than another is a movement. It’s not! Like it or not, Black Lives Matter is an example of a modern movement. Even the Gamergate freaks are a movement, of sorts. This is just some people who, rightly enough, don’t agree with everything Clinton has to say and vote the other way.
“so much so, I wonder if Trump has hired some folks to try to scramble Democrats’ heads.”
you mean like when actors are hired on negative campaign ads to appear just like you and me? That can only happen on television :)
You know, I thought Sanders candidacy was supposed to encourage a discussion. I thought that discussion was going to be arguing the merits of his ideas, what he stands for. I waited and I waited and I waited but it seems the only discussion that his candidacy has been allowed to encourage is hate for Hillary.
and also reliably attempts to comment, discuss or debate anything with so called Sanders supporters online is to request low brow attacks directed at your identity or at a group/candidate being discussed in an article and then the predictable on trial accusations and associations are made.
Just very dull. No passion for any ideas ever. You expect that with a for Republican audience but Bernie supporters are usually very nice and intelligent and passionate about what they believe in.
Similar to if the only conservatives (or whatever they are calling themselves nowadays)you met were online you’d think they were all violent racist maniacs that were incapable of have honest discussion about what they stand for.
In that sense the majority of comments Ive read from online Bernie supporters here particularly are strangely a lot more like online Republicans – right down to the stupid arguments over labels like who is more of a progressive.
Most people and supporters of any candidates are far more decent and intelligent than those right wing, marauding perception management loonies locked at their computer 24/7 will portray them as
Perhaps they hate their lives and we should have compassion.
As far as the article here goes, we shall see if there is any incentive to actually change things after the election or if it is only brought up to claim that Hillary is an illegitimate choice.
Funny how Bernie and even trump supporters for that much are not the ones acting like little kids in the streets but its Clinton’s protesting and rioting at other candents. I’ll vote for any one but her super delegates get it together and vote Bernie
That’s what I’m saying! I decided to check out a few super progro outlets last night in order to gage the response and offer a message of an open hand.
I was shocked to find that the dialog at many of these progro outlets is eerily reminiscent of sites like Infowars, Daily Caller, Red State, The Hill, WND, etc. It is straight up inverted (left as opposed to right) echo chamber with the only quantifiable difference between the groups being the stigmas and the boogeymen!
Instead of RINOs it is “centrists” or “moderates.” Instead of immigrants and soialists, it’s globalists and corporatists. Instead of PC, it’s Privilege. Etc, etc, etc…
There is no more constructive dialog within the ultra progressive sphere of influence than there is in the ultra conservative sphere of influence. That’s exactly why 70% of us (all except 15% left / 15% right) actually aggregate our news and opinion sources and are about to consume the dreaded “MSM” as a mostly reliable, least biased source of information when compared to the outer fringe outlets.
Oooh… the defender of lobbyists is now weaving a fantasy tale of projection.
Sorry, but it is Hillary and her defenders doing all the things you are projecting onto the left.
No passion.
No facts.
No integrity.
No intelligence.
Sweeping the issues under the rug…
… and all from right wing paid “perception management loonies” who try to present themselves as taking the high road, while denigrating and insulting those they claim they want to engage.
The tactic is well known, and you’re not very good at it.
And, speaking of the issues her defenders refuse to engage in discussions about while deflecting with pathetic tactics, Hillary opposes everything we support, and supports what we oppose.
Why would we like her?
And in case you missed Mona’s perfect response above, it’s not about Bernie, and we aren’t going anywhere. So, buckle up, the ride has just begun.
I must object to the “hate for Hillary” part of your comment.
I always thought a discussion involved more than one person. Evidently with you it doesn’t. Does that mean that Hillary never bothered to join the discussion, just adopt parts of Bernie’s positions to suppress the discussion ?
I’m sad that you found only low brow Bernie supporters. That certainly wasn’t my experience and in fact the more I heard from Bernie supporters, the more I liked Bernie and the less I liked Hillary.
This country wants change and this country is desperate enough to consider Trump. Will the “status quo” of Clinton be enough ?
Surely many of Sander’s supporters will prove eventually prove that it won’t be enough to save us from Trump, but push us into electing him and only someone in fantasy glasses believes that Hillary can prevail given the circumstance this year.
Lots of Heavy Duty tinfoil running around in here…It is incredibly amazing how much these threads echo and even resemble the rambling comments of right wing sites like the Daily Caller and Infowars with the primary differences being the stigmas and boogeymen.
Although the headline said Democratic Primary, it could just have easily and accurately read, “Fitting End to Democratic Party…”
Agreed. Although time will ultimately tell, I think the DNC pissed off enough of their own that they will become irrelevant within the next election cycle or two. Hopefully a truly progressive party opens up in its place.
Here’s why you’re probably wrong…As young and immigrant idelogical ultra progressives slowly but surely enter the corporate workforce, work on enhancing their lives / careers, purchase homes, plan for retirement, and strive to get ahead in America, they gradually shift from Progressive Socialist to Liberal Democrat. This is the natural way of the world, as we age, we generally retain our social ideals, but the more years of our lives we spend working, the more our fiscal views tend to gravitate toward the middle.
Yes, that’s the natural way of the world, the natural drift. Except it won’t be happening, because the onrushing robotics revolution, among other influences, will create mass (I mean MASS) unemployment, hence no purchasing homes, no planning for retirement, no anything except… contemplating socialist revolution, probably. BAU, in which the “natural way of the world” carries on as we’ve come to expect it, will not last beyond a decade, max.
I’m a Bernie supporter but the big bad DNC didn’t do this. 16 million people voted for her and unless you want an elitist few to overturn the will of the people (ie DNC/superdelegates decide to go with Bernie anyways), then she’s who I’m voting for in November because anything else is just a vote for Trump.
A new, genuinely progressive party may come about, after all. That Sanders could do so well against an opponent who’s been around as long as Hillary is a great sign.
But, I’m not holding my breath on it happening anytime soon. Money still talks, and bullshit still walks…
re:”The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes”
No fan of any political parties BUT, there is a reason for the delegation. First of all, our country is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. The design of this country, created by our forefathers, was intentionally designed this way to give everyone an equal chance. The delegation is part of this process. In a Democracy, it doesn’t work that way. In a Democracy, the majority rules ALWAYS. The reason our system seems to broken is because of several reasons. For one, our money is broken. Broken the day the Federal Reserve took it over. This has allowed things like lobbying (legalized bribery) to control the government and legislation. This has allowed greed and cronyism to flourish in our government. This has also put us in perpetual never ending war. War is one of their mechanisms for moving money in and out of the system. (Read the book, “Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve” to get the full scoop) . They have also broken our checks and balances in the system. It has also let felons like Hillary Clinton to run for the presidency. She should be automatically disqualified instead. We don’t need to fix the system, we need to clean it up. D.C. needs an enema and the only reason it continues to this day is because the people have let it. There was a reason for the Revolutionary War. It was to end this type of tyranny. Our forefathers came to this country to escape it and now we have become the very thing we escaped from. Don’t knock the system, knock the psychos trying to stay in power and control every aspect of our lives… we should have term limits across the board for every elected official..including the state level.
The only good political party is one that has no power… the only thing a political party is good for is to divide the country, which it has here…
It’s good to know some things never change: Glenn Greenwald still suffers from Clinton derangement syndrome, and the Intercept will still publish complete dog shit without batting an eye.
In my view it was a tactical error, since other evidence indicates that with the website being prepared, this was a planned initiative. As Greenwald indicates, it reveals the oligarchic arrogance of the Clinton machine. Many Sanders voters will now go Green, not vote, or even vote for Trump, particularly once he has a go at the Clintons’ record of corruption and warmongering. Trump also won’t look as bad over time as he is being painted by the establishment media, who want to make sure the neocon oligarchy remains secure. The fact is, Trump’s stated positions on trade, war with Russia and Social Security are well to the left of Clinton’s and Trump’s apparent fascism based on his bloviations is countered by the real fascism exhibited by the Clintons. They may have won one or two close primaries as a result of this initiative, or we may find out they still lost New Mexico depending on how many late postal ballots remain to be counted. The fact is, Sanders type people tend to vote later with such absentee votes. Expect the California deficit to narrow, but it appears too big to be closed. It is a disgrace that the democratic party went for a proven war criminal whose other record of corruption is all documented fact.
There is nothing “documented” not “fact” about the conspiracies surrounding Clinton and that is why no rational person is bringing such things up.
Caucuses have hurt Clinton just as much, or more, than closed primaries. And why do people say that she has won unfairly when she has been winning the polls all along? That would indicate that… (not so) surprisingly… the people want her!
I’m tired of Bernie’s delusional voters trying to label Clinton as undemocratic when he is now hanging his entire campaign on the superdelegates’ choosing him when she has beaten him fair-and-square in a far larger margin than Obama had beaten her back in 2008.
Which is why I keep saying, if Nuremberg were held today, HRC and all Presidents (although I would be more sympathetic to Ford and Carter) would be hung. Why not extend the notion of collective responsibility to citizens of a supposed democracy (I’ll leave the Punishment vague)? In this age of the Internet, “being fooled by the MSM” is not an excuse that should stand up, even legally
Hegel said that the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. In 1968 the democrat party turned against the progressives who wanted to end the war, even to the extent of setting the police on peaceful demonstrators in Chicago (the so-called Police Riot). As a result those of us who supported the progressive cause withheld our votes from Hubert Humpfrey, the one-time liberal who refused to repudiate Johnson’s war policies.
We as citizens need to learn that a vote for Hillary, cast solely to prevent Trump from becoming president, is not worth the effort, because despite her many pronouncements to the contrary she is no better. Just as voting against a woman on account of her gender is a sexist act, so is voting for one on account of her gender. Besides, if you want to vote for a woman, there’s one running: Jill Stein, of the Greens. While Jill admittedly lacks the credentials endowed by the political establishment, she does posses one attribute lacking in the two Party candidates: a soul.
And how does the HB avoid scrutiny of her serial disasters?
The Ziomedia.
And as they are serial liars,I don’t think it will work this cycle,we are fed up.
More and more it seems to me that America is half to fascist. The elections are a joke. In some states, people who are registered as Independent can’t vote in primaries by law. Others can’t vote because their polling locations are closed, or no ballots, etc. The media is complicit in this fascist endeavor. And yet, Russia is vilified, Assad is vilified, Castro was vilified and etc. But we supposedly have democracy, fairness and etc. What a freaking Myth. Are we even still allowed to write in a candidate or is that no longer allowed? I say use a fine point felt tip pen and write in Bernie if you can’t vote for him otherwise. We really must work to change the system, one way or another. And this crap of electronic juntas is right up there with banana republics, etc. There’s something really insidious going on in America and in my opinion and from all signs, it is turning fascist. quickly.
It is always nice to see the big boys (now maybe girls) talking , spreading so much of the greatness towards Democracy in the world . But when you look at it , it is a peace of shit .
These “Killing Politicians” their lobbies and friends and should all be bin trashed . The world is so hot and last thing it needs is a killary .
Let’s see what the great American Justice is doing with her case another proof of a superior System !
I have a long history of working for progressive candidates starting with Eugene McCarthy. Howard Dean was a remarkable political leader who formed Democracy for America. He should be given greater influence in the party. Sanders will become the chair of the Senate Finance Committee if things go well and the gauche américaine stands with HRC. I live in France and I see Socialist President Francois Holland is the object of opposition from la gauche moviment l’nuit d’bout et le grève général.
Holland will surely lose in 2017 and France will have to choose between les républicains et là front national.
The Clinton Global Initiative demonstrates a commitment to a progressive agenda in every part of the world. It will be useful if you and your cohorts will stop fighting against your own party and try to influence it through constructive participation just as Howard Dean is doing.
Howard Dean? This Howard Dean?:
He couldn’t have made it any more blatantly evident that the Democratic Party is not “our” party, if it ever was.
stfu you ponderous pustule
The most honest assessment I’ve read all week.
And, predictably, the crony-capitalist, drone-happy, imperialist liar Barack Obama comes out in formal support of the corporatist, warmongering liar Hillary Clinton :
Obama Endorses Clinton
Sanders, to his credit, has boldly decided to stay in the race – even though the system wants him and his supporters humbled into submission immediately. Obama is meeting with Sanders on Thursday, probably so the president can pressure into being the graceless fade-out of the remnants of the vision of equality that is so bothersome to the elite.
Like others I wish Bernie would unite with Jill Stein, a suggestion Stein has proposed.
Maybe I should add I don’t think Bernie Sanders will make much more of a fuss, or join Stein, or refuse to ultimately endorse Clinton himself.
I remember having almost a crush on Dennis Kucinich… until he got on that plane with Obama and came out strangely supportive of Obamacare, the Big Insurance and Big Pharma giveaway that Kucinich had vehemently opposed the day before. The whole business was creepy as hell.
Obama has a gift for coercion, it seems, on behalf of his corporate-state masters. And, as I mentioned, he’s meeting with Sanders on Thursday.
Maisie…
You got it right there… Denns Kucinich on that ‘little flight’ on the Air Force One that Obama offered… Most likely being made an offer that cannot be refused.
I might have sold-out if my family’s lives were at stake: I don’t know.
Now it is Bernie’s turn on a ‘little flight.’
To quote you, “The whole business was creepy as hell.” And it must be so much, much more creepy now.
Advice to Bernie: Wear your slime suit.
No doubt.
“Maybe I should add I don’t think Bernie Sanders will make much more of a fuss, or join Stein, or refuse to ultimately endorse Clinton himself.”
I agree with you completely, Sanders has been a class act through all of this, not a big surprise that Clinton, Inc. couldn’t follow his lead. It’s a shame, but not a surprise.
Yeah,they probably promised they wouldn’t redo his electoral district.hahahaha..Another wanker,who folded like an accordion.
I fully agree about Kucinich. He was much better than Sanders (Sanders obsesses about money, always a bad thing whether from the left or the right). And the plane ride thing with Obama was really weird and creepy. Shows how fucked up things are I guess.
can’t believe it took me until the votes were being to counted to think of it, but i have to wonder if the ap “story” was meant to “psyche out” potential bernie voters. i’d hoped it would turn out to be dewey vs. truman but it’s moot now.
now it’s time for hillary voters to act the same way as the obama voters they complained about in 2008. i seem to recall that round of the clintons’ petulant entitlement going on well into the convention.
What? What are you talking about? Clinton had conceded at this point in 2008, and personally called to suspend the voting at the convention and unanimously nominate Barack Obama. Clearly neither Sanders nor his supporters possess that kind of magnanimity.
Hey Glenn, do you read these comments? We love you!
@Jimmy
Actually, the odds are at least decent that a Trump win in the general would bring about much that Sanders and Greenwald care for. Hillary Clinton losing to Trump would cause the Democrats to actually, you know, sound and fight like progressives. To agitate against elite privilege, for economic equality, for climate sanity, and against dropping more love and democracy bombs on brown Middle Eastern people.
If Hillary wins, income inequality will worsen; Wall St. will have free rein; criminal justice reform will be modest, at best; the health of the planet will decline; and current wars will continue as new, fun Hillary wars join the old ones. And not one goddam prominent Dem will feel brave enough to call her out on it. This will only prepare the way for a surge against the Democratic status quo that will be even bigger than the Bernie movement
Either way, if Hillary reins for one term or two, her base is literally dying; actuarial tables are neither her friend nor that of the DNC.
Those of us who know Hillary is a Wall St. whore who has never seen a country of brown folk she doesn’t want to bomb (unless it is ruled by a corrupt despot who is her dear friend) or a bankster she won’t fellate for the right speech fee, we are gonna be dogging her every step of her wretched way. We will not stop until enough of the neoliberal olds have died and new youngs join the electorate, that the Democratic Party, at least as currently constituted, is crushed.
You read crazy.
Sound, yes; fight, no. It just means that the party establishment can move further in the fascist direction and still be “democrats”.
Since Nixon or at least Reagan, the GOP has expanded the Overton window rightward and the DNC has chased it. It’s probably about 50/50 as to whether Democratic politicians would do that again and get away with it, given Trump’s plainspoken threats to Democratic constituencies.
Perhaps a feeble, confused resistance is most likely. Perhaps progressive voices will emerge, to be silenced once the immediate threat has passed.
My dream, of course, is for both parties to split, resulting in six viable national parties. But that’s not going to happen.
Goodness gracious! A Party mitosis advocate!
*my dream, of course, is that US Citizens can vote for whoever they want to in any election without any party affiliation…
Mm, no, there’d be some fighting. Any, e.g., foreign policy/war bullshit a President Trump might contrive could be the same she would, and in the the latter case most Democrats would actively oppose it. Most would never do so if the same thing were undertaken by President HRC.
You seem to be talking about every Republican since Nixons’ time. How you think tRump will be different in giving free reign to Wall St. is beyond me-and he already farms jobs out to other countries, and pays them to leave America sitting unemployed. tRump is everything you accuse Clinton of being, times 10, and that doesn’t even consider his personality, his rudeness, sense of entitlement, or abuse of women-one of which, at least, was his wife.
You’re missing the important factor here: the voters. Sure, the Demicans in Congress wouldn’t act progressive or genuinely fight against a Republicrat president on their own, and it’d all be posturing as said above. But by now the public is so worked up enough about Trump, and energized enough by the ideas of the Sanders campaign, that they could very well become a relevant factor for once. More and more people (especially younger ones) are becoming aware that the power lies with the 99% and what needs to be done to actually use it.
hillary will NEVER be elected as president because too many Sanders supporters despise her. She will lose the red states she won in the primary and lose the blue states she lost in the primary. Hillary will get pummeled, landslided. Trump is the default winner and say what you will about him, wallstreet hates him, TPP hates him, people crashing the border hate him, and yet most everything Donald could do as president can be turned around even if you object to rebuilding the infrastructure.
The problem with hillary is that she would damage America with her support for genocide, the TPP, selling your children’s future to wallstreet, giving social security to wallstreet and turning it from a recirculation system to an investment system, sell all public properties to her friends like she did with PEMEX, and THAT DAMAGE CANNOT BE UNDONE.
barabbas, you’re out of you mind on more than one front-not the least of which is being a rabid right-wing republican. Republicans, I remind you, have been selling our childrens’ future to Wall St. and big oil since Bush was in the CIA. Genocide indeed. Perhaps you might examine your vaunted republicans, and their overseas activities designed to line their pockets, and nothing else.
Hillary is a right-wing Republican. I don’t even believe her on the social issues. She’ll say and do whatever is conducive at the moment. She has no core principles. She’s soulless.
Whatever Barrabas is,a right wing rep doesn’t quite fit,as RW rethugs are the same as HRC in soulmate love,just as I,a lifelong democrat(till-12)am not,although traditional rep economic policy of protectionism and tariffs warms my heart,while I’m all for peace love and understanding,I’ll vote Trump as the most likely to achieve it.
F*ck ideology and the bird(US eagle) flies best with both wings.
Trite but true.
And Trump is no ideologue either.
The biggest argument against trump is the republicans nominating three Supreme Court justices. It’s a big deal, but I don’t have faith in hillary making sound nominations either.
I’m voting green, personally.
Exactly.
Hillary’s corporatist, constitutional rights violating (NSA, FBI), fake liberal SC nominees makes that argument less compelling.
Go Jill!
Have you forgotten 2000 and 2004? When the Powers That Be want someone in office, they get that someone in office, will of the people be damned.
One way or the other, it was destined that the elite were going to get their girl into office. From here on out there is nothing worth watching. I hope Sanders supporters never buy another mainstream newspaper in their lives. AP: the Assholes who-suck-up to-the-elite Press.
Reasons why Tump would be better than a Clinton Presidency for a progressive:
1. Hillary Clinton is more manipulative & calculating – as a career politician and subversive, liar this poses a far greater risk to our democracy in the long term than a stumbling egomaniac.
2. There is no guarantee she will avoid sending us to war.
3. Benefiting from corrupt campaign finance, she WILL NOT appoint justices who will overturn Citizens United anymore than Donald Trump.
4. Donald Trump’s success so far, in the wake of Obama’s presidency, is proof of the raw momentum a candidate can gain from prolonged political unfavorability.
5. Eight years of a luke-warm Clinton presidency will not inspire a political revolution.
5. Bernie Sanders’ campaign is proof that we need a more serious approach to challenge the flow of money from Superpacs.
6. The clinton’s have promoted far more disastrous economic policies to date- Bill Clinton signed the law that killed Glass/Steagall, which paved the way for the 2008 financial meltdown.
7. If race-baiting politicians like Donald Trump are allowed to scare minorities over the fence into voting DEMOCRATIC, giving our party the necessary going blocs, we will never get genuine Democrats on the ticket. THEY WON’T NEED US ANYMORE! The Democratic Party will become the PREFERRED corporate ticket. They can’t win with Republicans anymore. They’ve figured this out……
So Bernie is getting destroyed in CA right now…1.05M to 650K. A 400K lead in a state where Bernie spent a ton of money and campaigned pretty much nonstop is pretty dramatic. I hate to use the “M” word, but this is borderline mandate territory.
This was an attempt to throw the primaries for June 7, 2016 and I am angered that this was even written.
I continue to hear ignorant progressives freaking out about Trump. Trump is clearly not as bad than the other Republican choices, and would be substantially BETTER than Clinton on war/peace issues (he wants to do business, not make war) and these hideous trade agreements like TPP, which he’s always opposed and which Clinton supports, her current lies to the contrary not withstanding. These are huge issues. Clinton and Trump would be equally awful in different ways, and in some ways the election of Trump could be better by causing a revolution.
Moreover, everyone freaking out about Trump is absolutely clueless about what he’s doing. His racist and other disgusting comments are persuasion techniques and have nothing to do with actual policy. Additionally, while words alone from a person in Trump’s position can do great harm, that’s nothing compared to the harm that, for example, Clinton could cause by making war on everyone who doesn’t bow down to Wall Street.
very true
NOT true. As an avid Bernie Supporter and African American Muslim, the thing that is most dangerous about Trump is the message of permission to openly practice open bigotry and oppression for Americans inclined to do so. THAT is ultimately more dangerous than anything Clinton would do, because it will tear our country to pieces, in civil violence.
the thing that is most dangerous about Trump is the message of permission to openly practice open bigotry and oppression for Americans inclined to do so. THAT is ultimately more dangerous than anything Clinton would do
More dangerous than vastly expanded worldwide wars and possibly genocide?
What Phil said. I realize that Trump’s racist, sexist, and otherwise disgusting words cause harm, as I said. But it’s really self-centered to think that is more harmful than dropping bombs on and killing massive numbers of people while destroying their societies.
Look, this is triage. We all hate all of this stuff, but you have to think critically and logically, and be empathetic toward everyone and all life. Trump’s crap is harmful to some Americans, who already have it much better than those America makes war against.
It’s pretty obvious that Trump doesn’t mean most of the things he says — compare his current inflammatory speeches to the countless things he’s said in the past, and it’s clear that he’s a very unserious entrepreneur.
That said, I’m afraid Trump is more of a rodeo clown or hate sponge than a genuine candidate, serving to turn Ted Cruz into the dark horse of the presidential election, a bit like George W. Bush. Even if Trump wins as the front-runner for the Republicans, his on-going scandals are on stand-by to jump in and prevent him from entering office. He’ll probably be replaced by Cruz, who is the most Napoleon-like creature in the race, and therefore the prime candidate for bankers and global megacorps to rule the States with an iron fist and to declare war on Russia. Cruz formed a plan to become ruler of the world several years ago; the man is a daring megalomaniac. Trump is a cowardly con-artist who makes himself appear to be richer than he really is; and Hillary Clinton is a Thatcher-Merkel-wannabe. But she won’t actually win the race, because A) America is dominated by patriarchic politics, B) capitalists plan on attacking Russia and such a plan requires a TOUGH MALE commander-in-chief to lead the army and not some middle-aged crone with a terrible history of working with the military, and C) the presidential office alternates between Republican and Democrat very regularly, meaning that the next president will be Republican 100%.
The only thing that matters for the capitalist is whoever has the stiffer upper lip and the better image. Cruz is a dead-ringer for Napoleon, and so far he’s the capitalists’ best pawn.
As for action, you don’t seriously think that there’ll be any difference? The president means nothing — it’s the grand position of pawn. Every decision he makes was conceived by other politicians as well as by his financial supporters. The whole election process is a farce. Ancient Rome also had a “democratic election process”, and we all know how well that turned out /s.
Saying that President Clinton will be worse or better than Trump, or that Trump will be worse or better than Cruz, is a waste of time and internet space. Has Obama acted all that differently compared to ANY of his predecessors? No. That’s because he does literally nothing except look the part of America’s adorable faux-socialist spokesman and scapegoat. When economy is bad, who is blamed for it? Bankers, senate commitees, governors, congressmen, CEOs, shareholders, investors…? No, the president. The one man who does zip for his country but is on stand-by as a whipping boy. It’s easy to attack Bush or Trump or Obama or whoever, but the media frowns upon any kind of satire, no matter how mild, if it’s directed at businessmen or “shady” politicians (those who stand in the shadows, are more or less obscure, and yet wield astonishing power over facets that make up the country). Just look at reviews of Oscar (starring Stallone) or Weekend at Bernie’s — both are satires on upper-class degenerates, mafia and businessmen, and both receive generally terrible reviews from mainstream media’s gigolo journalists and bloggers who want to keep the public from watching classics of comedy that satirize the rich. Especially Oscar — that movie outright compares bankers with mobsters, and calls J.P. Morgan and Chase robber-barons!
I don’t know what you’re talking about regarding my post. I’ve known that the rich and powerful run things since I learned that in school in 1971, but that’s not what my post was about. My position is that Trump and Clinton would be equally awful in different ways; I never said one would be better or worse than the other generally. In reaction to the idiotic hysteria about Trump, I just said that he’d be better on two specific issues.
That said, you are a fool if you don’t think a president has a lot of power. It’s true that he can’t pass legislation by himself (though strong presidents like Roosevelt, LBJ, and Reagan got a lot of legislation passed), but they have the power to use the U.S. military and have a lot of say in trade issues. They also have a lot of control over our federal lands. So on these issues it does matter who’s president.
“[I]f Trump wins as the front-runner for the Republicans”? Where have you been? He won weeks ago. I suppose it’s possible that the Republican establishment could find some excuse to not let him get the nomination, but considering what his supporters are like, there would literally be a riot at the convention if that happened. (I was hoping that this would be a contested convention so that something like that would happen; it would have been more entertaining and funny than pro wrestling.)
Trump is a businessman. He’ll talk trash about the TPP, negotiate a couple of exceptions for his friends, then say he’s tamed the bill and claim credit for passing a “smart TPP” that is no better than it was before. What do *all* the suits in *all* the fancy offices of *all* the companies in the world do? They find a way to make it look like whatever was going to happen anyway was their achievement, and get paid for it.
Trump has been strongly opposed to so-called trade agreements (they’re actually investors rights agreements) for a long time, and I’d be somewhat surprised if he were elected and changed his position on this. There is, of course, no way to know for sure, but what we do know is that Clinton supports this crap — her husband got the first of it passed — despite her current pretending to be opposed to the TPP. Between these two piles of dung, Trump is the only one who might stop the TPP and reverse these environmentally and socially destructive policies.
… as Randy Bachman of Bachman Turner Overdrive opined …
“You ain’t seen nothing yet !”
how long can y’all hold your breath?
… i’m guessing, not long enough …
Hillary Clinton is not my choice for US President, she was chosen by those who have no regards for what the all eligible voters wanted. Those who are independent where robbed of their vote by the Democratic political party. How can you call this a country of democracy when such things as this is happening to the people who don’t want the chosen person by the rich of America.
The silly season produces silly results. It is silly to nominate people based on their gender, ethnicity, or other physical features. When such a nomination is then celebrated as “ground breaking”, it’s simply promoting the merely silly to a level of jumping the shark. Especially when the particular nominee is heavily freighted with enough baggage to sink a battleship. Not to mention being in line for a well deserved (though politically unlikely) indictment for persistent irresponsible behavior which would never be tolerated in other senior government officials.
People get the government they deserve. That is the lesson which “democracy” continues to administer like a stout rod onto the backs of the public who respond only by pleading “Oh, sir, may I please have another?”
Or perhaps this time around: “Oh, mistress, may I please have another?” A different kink, perhaps, but with no different pain, suffering, and humiliation.
It wasn’t a Democratic primary; it was an ordainment of Clinton. She was the pick of those in power all along, just like her husband was 24 years ago. And to say that “more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders” is highly misleading. This is a rigged game, rigged in favor of candidates who support people with money and power. There is nothing legitimate about the Democratic (or Republican) Party. Sanders never had a chance. It’s great that he got to raise a few real issues on national commercial TV — almost unheard of — and he MAY have started a movement, but regarding the election, he was a non-factor.
The key phrase was “according to the party’s rules.” Hill may have gotten more votes among registered Ds in some states, but it consistently made a difference whether each given state had open primaries or not. It’s very telling that the only way she could ‘get more votes’ in the end was by shutting out the majority of actual voters, and then still had to rely on a group of in-her-pocket insiders who aren’t accountable to the citizens in any way.
Thank you for perfectly articulating my point of view, again.
Thanks for your input
Clinton has devoted her life to public service, has all the experience necessary, yet needs to promote her simple ideals more. I believe she has a genuine love for children and education that can resonate. I think she was elected because she is known and trusted, and has overcome lots of adversity. I believe her heart is in the right place. Trump’s heart is in the wrong place–that is clear beyond measure. Sanders doesn’t seem to be much of a team player–that’s why he is an independent. That lack of humility is starting to show. I hope he lays down arms.
“her heart is in the right place”
And yet she pretends to represent the left.
This seems rather jaded. First off, the superdelegates’ job is to keep the nominee within the party, and as much as even I dislike that, Bernie isn’t exactly representative of the party. Also, to those who claim against the numbers, read this: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/
An interesting article that demonstrates by the numbers that Bernie would not have won either way. Because nobody simply loses: the elections are rigged, voters are misconstrued, etc. etc. etc. And as a Bernie supporter, I’ve started to hate the mob mentality of Bernie’s supporters, and I hope he withdraws before he tears the party apart. Honestly, at this point, Bernie looks more like he only cares for himself, not for the party or, more importantly, for the country. Say what you want about Hillary, but she’s goddamn leagues better for us than Trump. And don’t just think nationally, Trump is already the laughing stock on an international level.
Great article. Well said. I would add that Bernie Sanders was shamefully shunned by the mass media of this country. As people became aware of who he was and what he stands for, they flocked to him, as seen in his gathering momentum throughout this race.
If any of you vote for this lying deceitful pile of crap, the words “unfair” and “corrupt” will be heard often. She has no business being president let alone being in political office period.
This entire process is appalling. Not because it stinks of the normal corruption that saturates American politics, but because the entire Democrat Primary winked and nodded at Hillarys awful track record on….well everything.
Going after the banks? Yeah right after decades of taking money from them and her husband passing legislation helping him and them make trillions.
Women’s rights? Sure. She held the camera and checkbook while Bill sexually assaulted scores of women going back to the 80s.
Telling the truth? Yes. To her daughter and friends but NOT the families of Benghazi and when she could’ve come clean….”what difference does it make now?” Yeah.
How about the wall….errrr fence? She was all for a “fence to be built” but not a wall? Semantics. Or just more lying.
I get a person can change where they stand on issues as they age. But this lady has flopped on every issue she stood on. If a person stands for nothing they’ll fall for everything. And the media said nothing. And the libs lapped it up. Disgusting.
C’mon, Glenn, you KNOW better than this. They’re NOT anonymous.
That may not actually be correct. For example, I live in WA State and at my precinct caucus, HRC won 14.2% of the popular vote and was awarded 25% of the delegates. The WA State DNC has not released the actual popular vote numbers although each precinct reported those totals. Because of the extreme rounding done at the precinct level under rules put in effect for this year (in previous years, there was a 15% threshold for viability at the precinct level), HRC probably received many more delegates than she deserved based on the popular vote. Because of this, if you were to take total voter turnout and multiply that by proportion of awarded delegates for each candidate, you will get an inaccurate number which shows HRC with more votes than she really got, and by the same magnitude, that there were fewer Sanders voters than reality.
No doubt, shennanigans such as this rippled through numerous caucus states. Of course Primary states also had other issues.
More like End of Democratic Party. I’m out.
This is the last straw. The Democratic Party has become far worse than even
I had imagined, and I am consigning them and everything they represent to
the dustbin of history. I shall actively donate and support a third party, which
will be formed by acclimation in the near future, I hope. Enough of this crap.
Yes, this is the time for a third party and some Gandhian action.
Millions of us have opposed the policies of the corptocracy, from horrid Reagan on. With every election it gets worse, and everything is becoming more dire, from the climate to wars.
I wish people who comment on American voters would kindly remember that millions of us don’t vote for the gangsters who are in office.
We need more people with the courage and intelligence of Edward Snowden.
You mean the cowardice and dishonor of Edward Snowden?
I at least respect Manning more staying and holding ground when she thought she was right. Snowden ran in seconds, then preaches from across the globe that he did the right thing.
I am moved to action, but I’ll do it honorably. That’s how Bernie has been fighting this and I’ll do the same. No cheap tricks, no false flags and no lies to gain access.
We must be better than our opponents, and I don’t mean better at their tricks.
You’re talking about giving up a cozy comfortable life for uncertain consequences, with a very real risk of persecution, imprisonment or death. Call it many things, but cowardice it is not.
The difference is that Manning was naïve enough to trust her chances to the system at home–and look how that went. Snowden had no shortage of past examples to learn from. He knew perfectly well there’d be zero chance of any fair or honorable resolution if he stayed in the US.
well at least Israel’s non-recognition of the Armenian Genocide in the name of stealing and selling palestinian gas/oil/petroleum for the exclusive profit of the current zionist israeli state while the Palestinian people pay the highest prices for fuels of electricity and diesel in the Middle East due to the years of occupation and annexation of ever more Palestinian land etc.
On the one hand, democrats tell us that gender is only a construct, and whatever we decide it to be that day.
On the other hand, we should
Vote for Hillary because female.
Clearly someone was worried that Clinton would embarrassingly lose California, and in order to deter that, called around to super delegates to get them to commit, and then call it in to a media outlet.
Another milestone, the first time a major party has nominated someone under active criminal FBI investigation. Congratulations, democrats!
electing HELLERY means 4 more years of genocide and land theft by the evil that is the zionista likud terrorist party in israel.
Amazing article. It’s funny that many of the articles declaring Clinton the victor don’t have a comment section for rebuttals, but this article, telling the unadulterated truth, indeed does. I’m so sick of this nonsense — this corruption. They anointed Clinton, and no one else was ever supposed to have a chance. Then people heard what Bernie had to say, and people found out that there IS a voice out there who speaks for the many, not the few. The working citizens, not the rich and powerful. They have stolen this election right out of the peoples’ hands and it turns my stomach. The billionaires and their corporate media have spat on our democracy time and time again, releasing false and misleading reports, cutting the number of polling places in some states by more than half of the previous election, refusing to cover Bernie’s plight with any type of true journalistic responsibility. I am done with this system. If Bernie’s not on my ballot, I’m marking out Clinton’s name and writing in, “BERNIE F*CKING SANDERS.”
She won in pledged delegates and by winning four million more votes. She won by every metric there is.
Thank you Greenwald. Thank you for your insight, your insistence on honesty, your clear, tough stance against corruption your willingness to speak truth to power. You are too rare an intellectual these days, and the world is a better place because of it.
Great. Now we get to be the class that had Hillary Clinton as its class president. How lame is that?
Hopefully “the Donald” can still pull us out of this by doing something supercool
I think you mean “End to the Democratic Party”
PLEASE READ ABOUT THE CLINTON FOUNDATION, READ HOW MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IT HAS HELPED. SPEND SOME TIME ON THIS, ENLIGHTEN YOURSELF AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation
Well, I’m off to go edit that wikipedia entry, so it will be a great night, thanks!
P.S. Did you know that the Clinton Foundation eats babies at every mtg? It’s true; I sawr it on tha internets!
I think not. Better to read this: Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton’s State Department
hellery has no solutions.
to her, being middle glass is a chance, a roll ot the dice, a rigged game
hellery wants america to mortgage their futures like a commodity, to wallstreet – specifically her wallstreet pimps to whom she pirated PEMEX.
hellery needs a collection of fools to get any votes at all.
BERNIE IS RIGHT FOR AMERICA.
get a clue
Bernie supporters despise Hellery
If Hellery is the nominee, guaranteed by conscience will not allow me to vote for her – guaranteed.
What are you doing here? FISHING. Hellery and DWS – the 2 cons – have figured out that in the general, Hellery’s 3M dont count – neither do all the other votes in the red states. The Blue states, Bernie wins. Now hear this – Bernie supporters will not vote for Hellery. Hellery will lose a general election.
Do all the cheerleading and celebrating you want, it wont help Hellery.
So true. I won’t vote for her. I will vote for Jill Stein or not at all.
considerably better.
You do realize that the CLinton Foundation is one among perhaps a dozen that foundation watch groups consider potentiallya fraudulent? THe level of money spent on actually helping people in need is about 8%. That is perhaps the worst in the world.
Jimmy: I suspect that you wrote that flagrant comment tongue in cheek
to rattle some of us who are Sen. Sander’s fans.
who is “Jimmy”
So corrupt I can’t believe they haven’t changed their name. Gets millions from the banking industry. ???????????? go get em Hillary!
Jimmy, jimmy, jimmy…
Enlighten yourself about Cackling Clinton, enthralled, giddy, about the brutal rape and murder of Muammar Gaddfi; ready to release a nuke on Iran…, and so much more.
I don’t usually go to Wikipedia for facts. I was supposed to get them from The Associated Press, The world’s Source for News, until June 6, 2016.
From the above wikipedia article:
“Questions have been raised about the foundation’s financial practices, about its fundraising from foreign governments and corporations, about the transparency of its reporting of its donors, and about possible conflicts of interest between donations to the foundation and the actions of Hillary Clinton when she was U.S. Secretary of State during 2009–13 and in connection with her subsequent 2016 presidential campaign.[2][8][9][10][11] (See also: Transparency of Clinton Foundation.)
In 2016, media outlets reported that in fall 2015 the United States Department of State issued a subpoena to the foundation for records relating to activities by the foundation during Hillary Clinton’s term as secretary of state and for information regarding activities by 2016 Clinton campaign vice chairwoman Huma Abedin.”
The devil is in the details and the footnotes.
the last two paras of the intro to the wikipedia article:
“Questions have been raised about the foundation’s financial practices, about its fundraising from foreign governments and corporations, about the transparency of its reporting of its donors, and about possible conflicts of interest between donations to the foundation and the actions of Hillary Clinton when she was U.S. Secretary of State during 2009–13 and in connection with her subsequent 2016 presidential campaign.[2][8][9][10][11] (See also: Transparency of Clinton Foundation.)
In 2016, media outlets reported that in fall 2015 the United States Department of State issued a subpoena to the foundation for records relating to activities by the foundation during Hillary Clinton’s term as secretary of state and for information regarding activities by 2016 Clinton campaign vice chairwoman Huma Abedin.”
The devil is in the details and the details are in the footnotes referenced in para 1 above.
Ugh. This isn’t what journalism is about — calling things. Journalists report what has happened, it is not there role to speculate. While I was livid at the AP completely dropping its own journalistic code of ethics, I am also frustrated with this Greenwald piece. It is half good, while still seeming apologetic. No mention of all the election fraud. Can we truly know that the majority did want Clinton? No, we can’t. Not the way it played out. Not with all the games and fraud. No mention that Clinton is under investigation and could very well be indicted. This short article leaves me cold as I think of all it could have been. I’m conflicted Greenwald. This is both good and horrible. Yesterday AP convinced me that journalism had died. Today you may convince me it truly has. You could have given this much needed article so much more.
Apologies for typos I am on.my phone, but got too passionate about responding to wait until later…….
Aside from garnering more votes, she leads in pledged delegates. And that’s really the bottom line. Sanders’ camp complained about superdelegates earlier in their campaign; now, they want to capture the nomination through these same superdelegates. Now, it is *convenient* for them. So, when you talk about a corrupt nominating process… indeed, I agree. Sanders is looking to take advantage of that corruption, usurping the nomination from the person who got more votes and pledged delegates, because he just thinks he’s better. It wasn’t the will of Democrat voters. It’s simply what he wants.
Now, the public Sanders argument I’ve heard is, “She didn’t cross the threshold on pledged delegates, therefore, we have time to turn around the superdelegates. After all, weren’t they put there to protect the party in just these kinds of situations?” So, basically, Sanders and company want to use superdelegates to overcome his deficit in pledged delegates, in a TOTALLY undemocratic way.
I voted for Bernie. The only reason he should put his campaign on hold rather folding outright is to remain available in case the FBI recommends that Clinton be indicted. For all intents and purposes, though, he’s done.
How really disguisting for people who have no right to take our ability to decide away
To do this anonymously nominate a woman who has lost my respect for
The same actions
I am ashamed to have not protested before but now
I am mad as he’ll and I’m not going to take it anymore
I a a part of a huge movement who are going to start over by voting to rid the country of politicians who feel they can disregard the law and the legacy we were left and do blatantly lied and cheated is out of our right to choose
By a majority vote
It is time for a peaceful revolution
Honor has gone away with these pathetic symbols of politics that supports. Disregard for the conscience driven actions
Hilary by action has allowed this and the DNC needs to go away
One vote per citizen
Lose these miserable chosen ones who have destroyed what the constitution represents
You take what you can get away with as long as you don’t get caught?
Out These guys and let the world are we are about to change the USA
We are the majority and we vote
@Len Turkel
READ MY LIPS: No.
hellery is bad for america
hellery is bought and paid for by wallstreet thieves
hellery is a card carrying member of the beltway elitist establishment
hellery is the great of all evils
hellery HAS NO REAL SOLUTIONS FOR ANYTHING except her blather of the same old stuff
HELLERY WILL TURN SOCIAL SECURITY OVER TO HER WALLSTREET FRIENDS JUST LIKE SHE DID PEMEX
???
my medication isnt working as it should
scuse me, i know i meant that somewhere else.
tchhhhe
not a single bernie supporter will vote for hillary, not one
No.
Read my mind. F**k NO
Seems like the perfect time to kick the media in the groin and nominate Sanders.
The Democrat Party consists of Marxists, Fascists, and fools who vote for Democrats because they are too ignorant not to vote that way. The party is controlled from top down. Ain’t you proud you vote Democrat, you dumbell!
The perfect end, yes, to a totally corrupt political process. Take the money out, maybe take out most of the corruption. Require 3-4-5 or more parties, maybe make things a little better. The best thing that could happen is reduce the salaries of elected officials to the nominal salary they were earning when they announced to run, and forbid any financial contributions from any sources. Forbid a second term for all offices and forbid moving upward in any way—for example from Congress to Senate or to President.
True, the Democratic Party got the ending it deserved, but we the people didn’t. We the people are being misinformed, ill-informed and therefore remain uninformed on nearly every issue corporate media covers. Hillary is representative of the 1%. Her gender, while important historically and culturally, is not a factor in terms of which class of Americans she actually serves. What boggles the mind is how many voters can reconcile her domestic and foreign voting record with giving her their vote. Either people don’t know, or don’t care, about the details of her policies, voting record and type of leadership she offers us.
Corporate control of media, which, by the way, her husband Bill was instrumental in consolidating, is corrupting democracy by withholding critical information about how our leaders really govern and what part they play in destabilizing the world and making it a more violent place. Our taxes are being used daily to kill innocent people. In the eyes of the world, an American human life is not worth more than any other human life. Yet our tax dollars are fueling U.S. wars of aggression, and wars whose purpose is not to make life better, or even to protect, American citizens, but to consolidate and keep geopolitical power for Washington. Washington is about protecting Washington and corporate profits. It isn’t about freedom, democracy, or human rights. What was best about our American society – our inventiveness, our love of justice and racial equality, our desire to educate ourselves and our children – is being devoured by a virulent and extreme form of nationalism that can only bring harm and suffering.
Clinton is extremely frightening as she feels an eternal compulsion to hate Russia, to view Russia as the enemy forever. This intellectual rigidity, in the age of nuclear weaponry, is dangerous, it is insane and it is useless. My liberal friends say Clinton is not stupid enough to start a nuclear war, and for that matter, either is Obama. Yet their actual policies are mightily increasing tensions with Putin as we continue to build missile bases on Russia’s border. This is a very bad idea, the same bad idea that drove Kennedy to threaten Khrushchev with nuclear war if the Soviets didn’t remove their missiles from Cuba. If American leadership gets their kicks by antagonizing, threatening and provoking Russia, shouldn’t we be looking for men and women of integrity, maturity and wisdom who are grown-up enough to stop playing such suicidal and foolish games?
Clinton or Trump. We’ve hit bottom. Now what?
Wouldn’t it be cool if they put koolaid mix in municipal tap water?
And why would that be cool?
The US has become a trap filled with wallstreet and legaliser landmines. Seceding is not now such a undesireable thing. I envision a state paying a reasonable fee for a defence force far less than we are being robbed of today.
Also, DITCHING THE DOLLAR. I would dump the dollar. Sovereign state with sovereign currency. Competition is a lesson that wallstreet thieves need to learn. Besides, the federal reserve is a private wallstreet ponzi scheme and is frankly, illegal.
What’s next? a failed state or if you prefer the O. Henry twist: a banana republic it’s an idea perfected in Honduras with great success !
20th century
In the late nineteenth century, United States-based infrastructure and fruit-growing companies received substantial land and exemptions to develop the northern regions. As a result, thousands of workers came to the north coast to work in the banana plantations and the other industries that grew around the export industry. The banana exporting companies, dominated by Cuyamel Fruit Company (until 1930), United Fruit Company, and Standard Fruit Company, built an enclave economy in northern Honduras, controlling infrastructure and creating self-sufficient, tax exempt sectors that contributed relatively little to economic growth. Honduras saw insertion of American troops in 1903, 1907, 1911, 1912, 1919, 1924 and 1925.[19] In 1904 writer O. Henry coined the term “Banana republic” to describe Honduras.[20]
A trip to a Central American jungle to watch how Indians behave near a bridge won’t make you see either the jungle or the bridge or the Indians if you believe that the civilization you were born into is the only one that counts. Go and look around with the idea that everything you learned in school and college is wrong.
B. Traven
After a brief period of welcoming “foreign investment” and privatization, Russians realized that Wall Street vultures and their Russian collaborators were simply looting their country.
When Russia resisted, they were browbeaten, sued in rigged courts and then sanctioned… and when they continued to resist the escalation of threats and ever closer military actions ensued.
The media campaign to dupe Americans of course was filled with complaints about rule of law and human rights… issues which are ignored in countries willing to kowtow to our economic predators.
Hillary and Obama both serve this agenda with gusto. Trump is still being molded into shape, but has already adopted the general attitude to satisfy the establishment.
As to your last question… none of the above.
Her support is of course the women who want to see the first female POTUS,the minorities who have traditionally been the slave vote for alleged liberal democrats,with blacks overwhelmingly rejecting Sanders,in a totally naked prejudicial way,and many LGBT people,who for unknowing reasons.see her as good.
She has won,outside of NY,NJ and Cal(all minority or Jewish voting),mostly rep states,which won’t help her in Nov.I think she is the weakest candidate the democrats could have nominated,BS being much stronger vs Trump.
And black voters back her also as a continuing of Obombas reign,and cannot reject her as it would be rejecting their heroes,policies,which she is fully on board with,if not more rabid.
We’ll see if Trump can focus on her obvious multiple Achilles heels,and not let the Ziomedia through him off balance with their demonization program.Should be interesting.
America First.For once,please?
Ending Super Delegates this moment wouldn’t change the fact that Clinton is the true winner. She would win more delegates and popular vote. Try closing primaries and see how far Bernie Shamders would have gotten.
Thank you.
Sanders was a sheep dog or Judas Goat in any case. He chose to pull his punches. He expressed his admiration and respect for Clinton. He offered to support the party nominee and not run as an independent months ago.
The Sanders campaign was a false revolution, a counterrevolution. The tragedy is that its supporters still don’t get it.
J. Stein? (Within this construct)
Jill Stein! Yes! I voted for her in 2012. She is this life as beautiful as her!
Was never meant
The passage of months has had absolutely no affect on your smug pronouncements Vivek Jain. You were posting the same stuff in January.
Quit acting like you would even take part in any “real” revolution if one materialized.
Well, there’s no question that the DNC and the conglomerate news media — major Hillary contributors, BTW — have stacked the deck against Bernie and in favor of Hillary right from the start. If the media hadn’t essentially blackballed Bernie throughout the early months of the campaign (instead covering Trump’s shenanigans ad nauseum), Bernie would likely have done far better in the early-primary states. It’s clear to me that the preferred candidate of most of America’s plutocratic stakeholders is Hillary, that Trump is their second choice, and that Sanders is their worst nightmare. Since Democratic Party leaders are now essentially the plutocrats’ proxies, the same ranking applies to them. On behalf of their current and future sugar-daddies, they would rather see Hillary lose to Trump than have to live through a Bernie presidency, or, heaven forfend, see Party control devolve to the little people. That’s why, even if between now and the Democratic National Convention, Hillary continues to slide vis à vis Trump in general-election polls and Bernie continues to rise, or Hillary is hit with a scandal that’s impossible to bury or ignore, I don’t think many superdelegates will flip from Hillary to Bernie. Their objective is not to select the most viable nominee to ensure that a Democrat wins, it’s to ensure the election of a president who protects the interests of the super-rich — the people who will be rewarding them and their families with lucrative revolving-door payoffs in exchange for their leal service.
As for me, I can’t stomach voting for another neoliberal neocon hawk posing as a “progressive” for electoral purposes, no matter whom the Republicans run. If Bernie doesn’t get the Democratic Party nomination, I’m voting for the Green Party nominee. (Whether that’s Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders is up to Bernie.) And I won’t feel bad if I and people like me “spoil” the current election and tip it to Trump. I’m not sure the country would be any worse off living under an offensive egocentric blowhard than under a terminally corrupt, warmongering sociopath. Besides, if the Democratic Party chooses a corporate shill like Hillary, it needs to die and be replaced by a party that actually represents the voters, and its death may take more than one election cycle.
Peter in Seattle: You expressed the truth far better than I. Kudos!
Lordy, lordy, that leaves us with such uninspiring choices in the two major parties, both of whom I would desperately despise voting for. Very sad day for the US. :'(
Peter, you’ve used the same terms as me when describing the difference between Trump and Clinton. I call Trump a narcissist, but Hillary a sociopath. At least with a narcissist, their ego and motives are out in the open.
Sorry, Glenn. This is not deep, intelligent, or well written. You wrote this little piece like some Bernie fan hitting bong rips and writing pouty comments on Facebook. It is not very accurate. it is not very insightful. And it seems irrationally angry. You know how the primary process works. You know you could call the superdelegates and confirm the superdelegate votes. You know the medi a should not pander to political concerns like a fear interfering with the candidates campaign strategies. Why write this piece at all? This drivel makes me have less respect for your journalistic integrity and your objectivity.
“The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.”
Let’s hope this IS the end of the modern Democratic party. Maybe we can build a progressive party out of the ashes.
that wont happen though. Hillary will never push to make these changes happen. and none of the corporations that run the politicians are going to have any of them vote to take out the corruption. We need to vote for people who are actually not being bought by politicians. we have seen from this election that people with the right message and willingness to put themselves out there can actually get the money they need from the people.
For those whose primary goal in the general is beating Trump:
Why Does Sanders Do Better Than Clinton Against Trump?
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/why-does-sanders-do-better-clinton-against-trump-n586476
Registered, there’s that word again! Ain’t got no party, they never ask me anything :)~
Caller: How can I vote for Sanders?
Co. Clerk: You must be a registered Democrat to vote for Sanders.
Caller: No, I don’t.
Co. Clerk: Yes, you do.
Caller: Who says so?
Co. Clerk: The elections laws of the Commonwealth.
Caller: That seems unfair. I’m just a registered citizen.
Co. Clerk: It’s the law
If you’re stupid enough to vote for Hillary Clinton, your not smart enough to understand the troubles facing America. This lady is a proven compulsive liar, she repeadedly has bad mouthed the us Constitution, gun owner right, and in 2000, she stated no inmigrantes should be allowed us access without property due process. Now, she is saying anything to buy their votes.
Well Hillary is the epitome of the neo-liberalist even though she says she is progressive. She will of course win the general election which is wonder for a woman who wanted it so bad she would change whatever she said. We can only hope she will soften as president and lean a caring direction to a nation that has almost as many poor now as China but with the largest percentages of billionaires.
The news frames the argument to fall in line behind hillary as if it is our duty to not fail the party. It was the parties duty not to fail us.
a lot of people are just democrats as in they are a part of the party and support the party and are not actually liberals. this election truly showed who are the liberals, and those who just like party.
Not feelin the bern? Boo hoo.
According to wallstreet’s frankenstein, YOUR VOICE DOES NOT COUNT. It is unamerican and a crime against humanity to attempt to render as useless the power of the voice of any individual in a democracy.
Hillary is not a supporter of freedom and power of voice and choice. Instead, she operates like a typical 3rd world dictator who just wants to have her way, who would throw fits of temper and tantrums and make irrational decisions.
Clinton, meanwhile, intends to take the US relationship with Israel “to the next level” and has vowed to make combatting BDS a top priority should she become president.
HELL AWAITS AMERICA if HELLERY is elected.
between having my freedom of speech and protest removed and my future and children sold to wallstreet, and trump? guess.
Take it to the next level..Sounds like a relationship term. She’s already in bed with the Israel lobby. What next marriage? It would have to be an open marriage since she is also in bed with Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, Saudi Arabia, and the MIC. HRC shouldn’t be president…she should be a porn star
One wonders if the media will be so ahead of the game come November on a day when people are not voting. Such a poignant article, GG.
Feelin the bern? No? Boo hoo.
Well Glenn, our politics and our politicians may be brutish and less than honest, but Hillary Clinton didn’t make this reality, it has existed since the beginning. Even Theodore Roosevelt played the game by these rules, which should leave plenty of room for everybody to give a striving technocrat like Hillary Clinton a chance. Or, by all means, spend your life with your head in the clouds ignoring reality.
Well said. Could not have put this any better than you just did!
It’s not just that they use these superdelegates to declare the winner. It’s that they reported the superdelegate difference all along the way. Who’s to say that the voters did not see the 600 – 700 delegate difference in their primary due to the 500 superdelegate gap and not go to the poles to vote for Bernie because they felt that Clinton had such a big lead. If superdelegates are not decided until the convention, they should not be reported until the convention.
I’m not in the bag for either Bernie or Hillary, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why Democrats don’t see Hillary as a more militaristic and financial market manipulating version of Bush. All you Dems who cried about Bush in the 2000’s … now you’ve got him (her) in spades with Hillary. Enjoy.
Yep, this pretty much nails it. This is a mic drop piece.
“incomparably heinous” to describe DWS was so fun to read
Thank you, Glenn Greenwald. You said it all and said it well.
“on a day when nobody voted ” Puerto Rico voted.
Can you say, “Dewey?” The media has done this before in history and it was an equally corrupt time. What happened to the media “not making the news” and just reporting it? I guess that went out when 6 corporations bought up all the media.
Super delegates are completely undemocratic, so how is this the ‘perfect end to a democratic primary?’ This whole election has been a joke.
The AP declared the winner based on anonymous reporting by a few unpledged delegates. Meaning there is no clinched nomination, and the AP isn’t a reliable news source.
AP is several months behind The Guardian in claiming the nomination for Clinton.
This primary has completely solidified my choice to never be a part of the Democratic Party again. Switching my affiliation.
It is deniable that she got the most votes. More then half of the states end results mismatched their corresponding exit polls by more then the exit poll error. By more then ten points in some states.
The media also gave Hilary way more coverage + mentions then Sanders. People didn’t get to know Bernie, so therefore didn’t vote for him.
Hilary also has consistently done better where voting machines failed their security tests.
All in all Bernie has done very well considering all these factors playing against them.
Hillary doesn’t even consistently beat Trump in the polls…it’s Bernie who does that. Hillary doesn’t get new people and young people to vote…it’s Bernie who does that. If the democratic party nominates Bernie it will enroll a whole new generation. If the democratic party nominates Clinton then Trump may get elected.
Thank you for your time.
Have they finished counting the caucuses?
Such an oppressive history? Fighting a huge war that killed over 600,000 to end slavery is defenitly a sign of oppression. Celebrating 100 years of women’s vote makes the US the West’s version of Saudi Arabia. The one thing the author got right: what game is the AP up to?
Nice article Glenn- very perceptive and accurate depiction of the current, sad and corrupt state of the democratic party. Has HRC commented yet on Edward Snowden or is she too busy locking up film makers and apologizing to the Middle East for our beliefs in free speech?
Thank you for articulating what many of us not only thought, but felt, when this headline came out of nowhere. The Democratic Party should consider a slightly more accurate moniker, such as The Slightly Left of Center Corp.
In sports, we have a retort for individuals / teams who complain and refuse to admit defeat; “Scoreboard!”
With or without superdelegates or distributed based on vote outcomes (winner-take-all or proportionate), Hillary takes it. Glenn, you’re on the rag more than any known person of any gender. Better have it looked at.
We actually don’t know if Hillary got more votes because many states do the moronic Caucus thing. Those states seemed to have been on Bernie’s side more often. Rarely do those states vote as well as caucus.
Part of me wants to wait until Bernie decides next moves. Other part wants to remove my registration from Democrat voters list now, hope Bernie gets on the ballot with another party.
Superdelegates shouldn’t be a thing, but they’re honestly helping Sanders more than Clinton at this point. Based on his public statements, Bernie seems to still be banking on the same BS superdelegate lobbying to keep his presidential dreams on life support. Without superdelegates, this primary race would already be over and we might actually be looking at candidates and policies instead of arguing about Clinton’s “presumptive” status.
Isn’t the whole argument against Super Delegates, coupled with the fact that Super Delegates are Bernie’s only chance at gaining the nomination, so incredibly ironic? In fact, one could argue that this grievance is a paradox.
Doesn’t this year prove the need to change our primary process? Having people vote after winners are announced, seeing record breaking big money donations, super-delegates ignoring their constituents, and candidates that a large number of people don’t want to vote for, equals anger and frustration toward the government. Could his be the year that the citizens of this great country will push for reform.? If that comes as a third party, then count me in. I just don’t see either party is “getting it”.
Its ALWAYS corrupt when things don’t go your way. The super delegate system prevents us from having a bigot like Donald Trump, or a demagogue like Sanders. And I can understand why some super delegates wish to remain unnamed. Bernie fanatics are really unhinged, threatening everyone, harassing whoever doesn’t agree with them. People don’t want to deal with psychos.
Wow… you know, I have to wonder what Bernie supporters you’ve personally encountered to make you think they are so dangerous! I have met many many of them and not one of them fits your description. Where did you meet these horrifying cretins?
Oh look a paid troll! (Lovbrothel) You are anti-American, anti-human and despicable. Shame on you for your condescending chicanery.
So Hillary being a pathological lier and supportive of fracking… you’re completely fine with that.
Those working for the White Messiah of Vermont, the same guy who won’t release his taxes, who denigrated Barney Frank recently despite the fact that Barney raised money for the White Messiah up in Vermont, appear to have gathered around Glenn Greenwald, and have joined hands with Tea Baggers like Trey Gowdy who lied about Hillary’s emails, to express their delusions about Hillary stealing millions of votes. Good luck, my friend, they’ve been throwing nonsense at me anytime I’ve spoken the truth here too..
@ Jimmy
And you wonder why the Democratic Party is hemorrhaging registered voters–“the White Messiah”.
It really isn’t about Bernie he is simply the shibboleth for the 45% (if not larger) of Democratic Party voters who are disaffected by Clintonism.
Feel free to vote for Clintonism if that is what you prefer. But don’t be surprised a significant cohort of your nominal allies do not.
Yup….ohhhh, the decorative, fancy excuses for continued oligarchy, a cancerous scourge we, and much of the world, will suffer with until people decide to simply stop voting for it, no matter how many “boogeymen” the elites wave in our faces….it is simply a coming to maturity…much of the world is tapping its fingers waiting for us to awaken, while many in this thread are clearly content to keep snoring while the rivers of blood keep flowing…..
The Republicans have super delegates. Your beloved anti-democratic system hasn’t stopped him from becoming one of the nominees, and it won’t stop him from becoming president.
Actually, the Rs eliminated their superdelegates some time ago–too un-democratic.
Yes, I meant to type ‘the republicans don’t have super delegates.’
The super delegate system prevents the middle class from overturning the will of Wall Street; just as Citizens United facilitates Wall Street efforts to convert American democracy to a plutocratic system.
Exactly. It is a gruesome reality staring us in the face.
You better hope those “Bernie fanatics” decide to vote for Crooked Hillary, or Trump will take it in a landslide.
MAGA
Exactly so. Why do people who never bother to help the party or work for it, think they can come in during the primary, and for that one moment be equal to those who are part of the party and work for it year after year? If they don’t like the party rules let them organize and change it. Or get their own damn party. I really think writers like this forget what a political party is. They think it is some kind of national democratic organization. No it is not, it is a group of like-minded leaders who work hard to incorporate and organize those of similar beliefs. And they should have the final say in what rules that party they lead.
Well stated.
“It’s true that the party’s governing rules are deliberately undemocratic; unfair and even corrupt decisions were repeatedly made by party officials to benefit Clinton; and the ostensibly neutral Democratic National Committee (led by the incomparably heinous Debbie Wasserman Schultz) constantly put not just its thumb but its entire body on the scale to ensure she won. But”…….THERE SHOULD BE NO BUTS.
Not voting for her.
EVER.
Amen!
Yes. You nailed it.
I feel so angry to see someone cheated the way Clinton cheated Sanders and the American public, and I sincerely hope this issue is the one that sinks her campaign. There was nothing fair or ethical about the Dem primary process.
https://rubylee1776.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/madame-corruption/
There’s been a lot of ire expressed about the DNC this election, rightfully so, but after watching the process unfold since last summer in excruciating detail, it has become abundantly clear that the DNC is a shadow of the real powers pulling the strings. Oligarchs and Neo-Cons who own the media, and who always are seeking a new war to profit from have a sure friend in Hillary Clinton.
Thank you Mr. Greenwald, these are definitive words.
You have to admit, HRC staff and their MSM lackeys are smart. They are (were?) facing a genuine possibility of 4/5 losses, including California. A few weeks ago I heard analysts on NPR say a Sanders win in CA would be an “earthquake”, and then suddenly it was a real possibility.
So what do they do? The AP calls the election the night before these important primaries. Hillary gets to take the high road and say it’s not over til it’s over. MSM gets to wring its hands and say how sad, nobody really wanted her to win this way. Please, how stupid do they think we are?
Now she gets to party tonight as the “nominee”, regardless of how people in CA, NJ, NM, ND, SD vote. If she loses big, she can say oh no, the early announcement supressed my vote! But it doesn’t matter, because I already won.
Brilliant, sad and scary. I truly fear for our democracy. I hope the optimism and the strength to fight the good fight is not totally crushed among young people after this.
I do rather like the very last line about the Democratic Party getting the ending it deserves. I foresee people leaving in droves…
Clearly it’s the corrupt Democrats who are to blame for all the Republicans elected to the ten thousand elected offices that implement the bad policies millennial progressives blame on Democrats.
Millennial progresses are entitled to Democrats working and paying to elected Democrats who must do exactly what millennial progressives know they are entitled to because Bernie says they are entitled to lots of free stuff without working or paying for it. Millennial progressives voted for Bernie so the Democrats must deliver what Bernie promises or else Democrats are corrupt.
No millennial progressive should ever have to fight to get elected or fight to get an elected majority to pass any laws. They are simply entitled to everything for free.
That’s why this Bernie lover’s voting Trump! Trump The Establishment!
No sane progressive would ever vote for a racist billionaire lunatic like Trump. Even moderately sane Republicans won’t vote for him.
YOu’re a Bernie Lover Tea Bagger! Yes, right out of the closet! Trey Gowdy is your man!
That makes as much sense as throwing yourself off a cliff. Something doesn’t go the way you want it to, so you kill yourself over the disappointment.
Classic ideologue. Doesn’t give a damn about his beliefs to support the person who is most likely to make them see fruition.
My name is Bruce, and I do NOT support this post.
If you’re really a Bernie Lover, then you will love him through easy times and through tough times. And you will uphold the ideals of his candidacy.
If you’re considering a vote for Trump, or no vote at all, then you are not just betraying Democracy, you are betraying a man you appreciate and support.
It is totally corrupt to allow the people who do all the work to make the Democratic Party an institution that can field the 10,000 candidates required to fill all the elected offices nation wide!
The workers at the Democratic party must be forced to do the bidding of the young progressives supporting Bernie because they are entitled to have others work for them, pay all the costs for them, sacrifice for them, because millennial progressives are entitled to the free stuff Bernie promises without working or paying for it!
And if the Democrats fail for force the other 80% of Americans to agree with them by voting the way millennial progressives demand, that proves the Democrats are corrupt, and it’s the Democrats who are to blame for the Republicans control 80% of the 10,000 elected offices implementing policies that progressives blame on the corrupt Democrats.
Voter suppression has been the name of the game this entire election cycle. Sanders would be winning in a landslide if independents could vote and algorithms in voting machines didn’t push votes for lesser known candidates to Clinton (De la Fonte).
Actually, there’s a story out there that the Clinton campaign secretly colluded with the A.P. to put that story out there last night. Apparently someone has evidence that the A.P. had the story written up ahead of time before the supposed super-secret delegates were identified. So, yes it is fitting.
But due to closed primaries how do we really know if Hillary is strong enough to make her case to Independents…esp. When so many polls show Bernie way ahead against Trump, and Hillary sometimes losing?
I am a lifelong Democrat. I think a Trump presidency would be an absolute disaster, and I am so glad Bernie is still in the race! Probably stupidly, I still think there is a chance superdelegates will dump Clinton.
I don’t think Clinton can beat Trump if she is the nominee. How can she with an FBI investigation hanging over her? She can attack him with Trump U, and he can just throw back her connection with a dubious international for-profit university, from which Bill earned 16 million dollars as an “honorary chancellor” while she was Secretary of State, and which donated heavily to the Clinton Foundation (links below). It just doesn’t end!!!
Run Bernie run!! All the way to Philadelphia!!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/laureate-a-for-profit-education-firm-finds-international-success-with-a-clintons-help/2014/01/16/13f8adde-7ca6-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html
https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/08/03/laureate-paid-bill-clinton-165-million
Very disappointing article from Glen.
Who is corrupt here? The AP? NBC? What evidence of any corrupt process on the part of the Democratic Party or the Clinton campaign ? I can’t even find a coherent accusation.
It hurts to lose. But to walk away sullenly complaining that the game is stupid and the refs were unfair is undignified.
Take the week off. It will all look different a week from now.
Nope!
The AP shows the fix is in.
Superdelegates vote in JULY! Not June 6!
the headline was materially false. The AP polled the Superdelegates and treated the Poll as a vote! A day before major primaries!
Embarrassing fix! Everyone sees it! LOL!
Hillary was a terrible Sec of State.
Imploded Ukraine, restarted the Cold War.
Imploded Syria and Libya, starting the Migrant Crisis into Europe
N Korea got nukes
Iran is earning mega bucks on oil
ISIS was created and control 2/3s of the humvees given to the Iraq Army
China built a half dozen bases across the South China Sea
Even now, Russia has more of her emails than the US government! Pathetic!
And how will she go after espionage during her admin when she was the worst offender, basically ever?!
The Sanders movement is still peaceful. The other side isn’t in both an overt and covert way. History teaches that if the establishment persists it will get violence. Every power system ends, one way or the other.
Well said. The whole thing is farcical.
Btw, unencrypted private server holding SAP comms = auto jail time.
The Guardian ineptly changed its headline on this story late this afternoon (US time) from a fairly lame passive voice claim, to an indefensible active voice claim: “Clinton clinches….” As if some action had happened.
Somebody in the news room didn’t think they were sucking up enough I guess.
Oh, they also actually want us to believe that the AP announcement came as a surprise to the Clinton camp. Hi, I’m stupid and I totally believe you, Guardian.
If the superdelegates are so “secret” how did the AP manage to spend all that time calling them directly, getting them on the record, and confirming that they are still supporting Clinton? Sometimes this far-left blind hatred is silly
Can you show me a list that’s public?
The demise and downfall of our democracy. Hooray to Glenn Greenwald for telling truth to power.
Greenwald, you douche. Does it ever bother you that you are almost always on the wrong side of things?
Facts please.
cheer up…your puppet won
What an insightful little comment. Good to see NSA employees reading The Intercept.
Being on the wrong side of things is being paid by Hillary to write shit like this online and try to gaslight people who rightfully are against her. Go find some worthwhile work, Sher.
In my experience, people like Greenwald (and Sanders) end up being on the right side of things well ahead of most everyone else. Witness, for example, the shifting narrative about Snowden.
Gee, a smack like that can change minds? no.
Ahhhh, clever boy. A glorious attempt to shame us for speaking our voice as if we were separated from our own conscience. But sherly that’s a trick you have mastered, yes?
ps – tell hillary that Bernie supporters will not vote for her. And, if hillary really is sincere about wanting to do good and right by America, see if she will abdicate her thrown and support Bernie for president. She might make vice president. It’s a test of courage – you know what that is, yes?
It is so irresponsible for AP to declare Clinton the victor the day before the CA and five other primaries. Smells like media voter suppression. People condemn the corruption of the Republican party, but the Democratic party is not any better. The two party system of the U.S. proves to only have detrimental effects on the rest of the American people. We no longer can become victims on the agenda of corrupt, wall street funded politicians. It’s time for a third party to emerge!
That New York Times headline is so strange. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a news organization run a breathless headline about another news organization calling an election.
Was the NYT unwilling to call the election themselves? If so, then why would you run the story. If they thought the story is true then it should be easy enough for the NYT to corroborate it. The results of an election shouldn’t be something that the NYT has to credit another news organization for. Fucking weird.
Good point….I guess the media are only intent in maintaining the status quo, so that their empires will be protected! Nothing new here, especially no news. I just hope Bernie pulls it off somehow so that we can repeat the infamous mistaken headline “Dewey Defeats Truman”.
I think there’s something fishy going on besides a Hillary coronation. It’s like the Establishment want Bernie to drop out before they’re forced to get rid of Hillary, replace her with someone else…like Joe Biden!
And there has never been a nominee who seems to confuse the fact that no delegate ever votes until the convention and therefore there would be no such thing as a presumptive nominee prior to the convention if you went by the White Messiah’s reasoning. It’s beyond idiotic. I agree with many things the White Messiah says and yet I also know if he keeps up this shenanigans with his followers whose average IQ, if you were to add up these commentators, we will get Trump, and that would undo anything and everything the Messiah and Mr. Greenwald has ever pretended to care for.
@Jimmy
Race is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Directly contradicted by evolution and thoroughly confused by the idea that people can have sex and make babies, it breeds stupidity faster than Trump University.
Now I understand you are trying to be racist in some way, that much is obvious, but whatever street corner preacher dialect it is that you are speaking in, you are going to have to translate this into some version of sane if you expect to be understood.
I find that odd as well. You’d think the NYT would have its own people on the story.
THIS. NYT made it clear months ago they were in the bag for Hillary–she’s pro-Wall St. and pro-Israel, just like them, so makes sense–but this headline was weird. Big wood, banner across the top, giant trumpeting–of a competitor publication’s “scoop.” Just weird.
One of the many reasons I stopped reading the NYT several years ago. I read the odd story that bubbles up through my twitter feed, but that’s it. It’s not a paper I trust or have much respect for anymore.
Yes, pretty disgusting. Time to get out of the Democratic Party en masse. Surely, Republicans do not offer an alternative. So, it is time also to start a new, third way. It is going to be interesting to see how many of Sanders supporters will take that action beyond November.
You came in en masse and can get out en masse. These are the same rules that Hillary lost under in 2008, and the same rules that gave Obama the nomination. I didn’t hear you’ll crying “rigged” in 2008.
I know how unjust this is: an entitled white man who lost the delegate count, the super delegate count, and the popular vote didn’t win the nomination of a party (my party) than he joined a year ago with the expressed purpose of exploiting it’s resources. Cry me a river.
Not really; rather the disgusting result happened in the repuke party, when it nominated that dishones mogul named trump. You sound repuke or tea party. Well eat your behind, :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Hillary beats trump in 24 states while sanders would only do that in 10 states. Source: PBS News, this afternoon :) Look for Presidential polls. Best luck to Hillary all the way :) ra ra ra, cheers to my Democratic Party and its loyal workers :) yes, yes, yes . Sanders already said that after the convention he will support Hillary. That is good enough for me, President Obama said he was preparing to endorse Hillary too :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Hillary broke the law. If she isn’t held to account, will she release all those Americans currently in jail for offenses far far less than she committed?
A nation without laws = Sad!
Agreed, bernie could start a coalition with the green party.
It’s BEEN past time to start a new third way. Unlike many of the Democrats just now waking up to how corrupt and disgusting their party is, many of us have known that and been fighting for a third party most of our lives.
“It’s BEEN past time to start a new third way.”
It’s really the only hope for the republic.
This is complete BS. I want the 1st Amendment REVOKED for this crap. The media is b ought and paid for and so was the primary. Hilary didn’t win shit, she bought it. I hope she and Trump both get assassinated.
Very dirty move by the AP. They are influencing an election that could’ve swayed the same superdelegates they are counting in their “survey”.
They actually did sway some of today’s general public voters with the story. Some didn’t bother to go vote, and some decided to vote for Clinton because “after all, she’s already won.” They said that they felt like their votes didn’t matter. So sad.
How absolutely hilarious.
It’s like they WANT sanders supporters to sit at home or vote for Trump. Which they already might do because Hillary is just that awful.
No thanks on George Bush the 3rd: Woman Edition.
It’s no coincidence that the media decided to declare Hillary the winner on the day of the primaries in an effort to discourage Bernie voters. This is why people don’t trust the media. They very clearly picked a side from the start and did everything in their power to see to it that that side won. They tried that on the Republican side, but failed. Democrats failed to kick their establishment to the curb. Absolutely pathetic and disgusting.
First of all, nobody said “the process is over.” He is overstating what the label presumptive means. Secondly, it is a bit much given that she has also won the popular process going so far and will almost certainly have the most votes and pledged delegates. I don’t like the super delegates but in this case they could be said to be confirming the choice that Democratic voters made. And I’m not a Democrat, I’m a third party voter. But I think you should save your indignation for an occasion that deserves it.
I second… er, um, 352nd the “more votes” complaint about GG’s piece despite it’s overall brilliance.
Pretty much everything has been said, but the fact that write-ins won’t be counted or reported should be emphasized. It is meaningless except to the individual doing it (which isn’t at all meaningless)… but will not be a known or knowable protest to anybody else.
If you want to register your disgust, vote third party in November.
A national day for disgusted Dems to change your party affiliation (assuming there isn’t a progressive vs neoliberal state primary still pending) should be considered as well… though I doubt that would be reported either.
I’m sure others have better ideas.
I would encourage some discussion along those lines.
I would also like to thank the many people who are documenting, informing, and posting links about the many, many instances of voter suppression and other shenanigans the Democratic Party is guilty of. That story is being unsurprisingly suppressed by the corporate media, so every outlet for getting it out should be used.
While I’m at it, a big shout out to Jill Stein for offering Bernie the top spot on the Green Party ticket… now there’s a woman with integrity and class who cares more about the country than herself… and unless Bernie takes her up on the offer (which I doubt), she will be getting my enthusiastic vote.
Obama had a little chat with Sanders on Sunday
My guess is the gist of it was “Conform.”
Totally agree about Jill Stein.
That chat was apparently supposed to be “confidential.” Then Obama promptly released it to the press. Obama needs Hillary, or people will find out what a progressive really is.
In case those reading haven’t forgotten, Bernie supporters are not “pledged” to fall in and vote for Hillary. I don’t think Bernie will come close to asking us to do it either. All the while the Hillary camp will be wringing their hands up until the November election about how Bernie and “his people” are making it impossible for her to win her rightful place in the WHITE HOUSE. Hey, maybe Hillary is not WHITE ENOUGH to serve in the WHITE HOUSE, being that she is married to the first black president. Who the hell knows. Jill Stein – that’s who I’m going with.
I registered as a Green last week. Jill Stein it is for me. In honesty, I think Trump will win the Presidency due to the rise of the Left in America. The Machine will bring fascism to the game to beat down lefties. I’d wager money on it. History, current events nationally and globally, support this.
Now that the media says it’s official, I hope Hillary doesn’t get indicted.
Funny, I hope the opposite ;) Sooner than later though, so Sanders can hit the general election campaign with good momentum.
Keep dreaming. You guys and greenwald are ridiculous and delusional. She won 3 million more votes than BS. She has won 300 more pledged delegates. By any objective measure, she won the democratic primary fair and square cuz more people voted for her than him, period.
As I recall David Plouffe, late of the Obama campaign who now works for his heir apparent wrote more than one piece about the dirty underhanded tricks and voter suppressing tactics of then Sen Clintons ’08 campaign. The more things change the more they stay the same, democracy is an illusion.
Good piece. Calm, accurate. Fair on the topic of the historic importance of this nomination.
Now we get to see if Clinton can win Obama’s third term. I dread Trump. He’s been fading a bit lately, and the long knives are out in the MSM, however, he could hardly have a weaker opponent (Dukakis and Mondale are no longer on the scene remember).
I am so, utterly uninspired by Hillary Rodham Clinton. She is the Catherine De Medici of modern American politics; oftentimes a popular whipping girl for things not her fault, but just as often a vicious, pompous manipulator.
Down ballot races are all I care about going forward. That, and whatever concessions Sanders might still squeeze out of the Dems. The long game of retaking the entire party may have begun in this campaign season. Boomer like to trivialized the change in outlook among the young by driveling on about McGovern etc. However they are more uniformly ‘left’ in their views, across a broader age and demographic spectrum than was ever the case in the much-touted 60s.
Whipping girl?50 million in the bank type of whipping?
She deserves every f*cking lash the hell bitch,millions suffer for her banal evil.
Yes. Hillary Clinton has often been smeared for things she didn’t do (Vincent Foster) or for somehow failing to change her husband’s predatory habits. She is also corrupt, officious and stale-minded. People are complicated. It’s distressing for neo-Nazis to be faced with evidence of these facts, obviously. But, there it is.
You die — the world celebrates. That’swhatI’mtalking about.
The “feel the Bern” supporters have such contempt for Hillary and proclaim she is nothing more than a political hack and Bernie is the man who will fix all that is wrong in our world. I’m a Hillary and Bernie supporter all in one. I respect both candidates. I appreciate the fact that you, Glenn, acknowledged that Hillary has virtually an insurmountable lead in this primary (she leads by about 3 million actual votes). To me, the super delegate spin that Bernie and his surrogates have been complaining about may have merit. Maybe it’s time to get back to just votes to elect our nominee for president. But, and this is a big but, he is also making it sound like Hillary doesn’t have a substantial lead over him, that it’s the system denying him the nomination which to me is disingenuous. This approach could do a good job of alienating his supporters, leaving them angry to the point of refusing to go to the polls come November or vote for Trump out of spite.
This was the very definition of a dick move. I thought it was cool that Californians would cast meaningful votes. Stupid me.
Fantastic article.
Stating that she has more votes is silly. Election fraud has given Clinton several States. Also, in Caucus States, Sanders has dominated, and turnout is much lower because of the process.
There is no way that she can be a legitimate winner. I think the exit polls in Arizona were 33% off of the voting tally! When exit polls are off by just 4%, then election fraud is the cause. A bunch of States had exit polls off by more than 10%. This is not counting the countless disenfranchised, that did not make it to the front of the line in some places, or were turned away for not being on the ‘rolls’. The DNC stole votes!
Glenn, Thank you for writing The Truth!
I think this was a well-written obitury for the Democratic party.
Check this link for a painting that represents the Bernie Revolution.
http://imgur.com/gallery/wcbTj9h/new
Regards
Hey Glenn and any other lawyers:
Would it be a “crime” if Hillary Clinton and the AP colluded together to make a surprise announcement of her nomination the night before the California Primary?:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/wow-hillary-clinton-caught-colluding-ap-announce-delegate-win-california/
probably not. But it is deceptive, unAmerican, and anti-democratic. But the scope of these co-ordinated activities resemble organised crime and money laundering.
Whether one uses superdelegates or pledged delegates, Hillary has a huge lead. Bernie Sanders first attached Hillary for relying on superdelegates. Then, when it became obvious that he would not have enough elected delegates to beat Hillary in the elected delegate count, Bernie Sanders started talking about superdelegates again and started lobbing the superdelegates to support him. Which method Bernie uses, he loses. Thus, it’s necessary to blame the system and claim that it’s not democratic. If Bernie is serious about superdelegate abuse, he should lobby for the elimination of superdelegates. I don’t think he’d find much opposition to that request. Still, he’ll have the problem that not enough people voted for him. That sometimes happens in a democracy. Bernie is like Trump in that he believes in grand conspiracies. Bernie has been honest, has good ideas, and is not a racist. But he won’t obtain the majority of the votes of the elected delegates.
The global elite really want their warmonger in chief to be Hillary.
Bunch of drama llamas over here. Newsflash, the AP is not an extension of the DNC or the Clinton campaign. Clinton didn’t want this, since it will incense Sanders’s supporters and depress her turnout. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that Clinton won a surprisingly close primary, as fair or square as anything in politics usually gets?
Since the media already declared Hillary Clinton the winner at 5 pm yesterday. To the Hillary Clinton supporters, what I say is stay home, relax, take the day off.
#feelthebern online concert for Bernie Sanders —
Future Jame’s remix of lifecouldbeadream
https://soundcloud.com/jamesasilo/lifecouldbeadream#t=0:00
Do you have family in California, New Jersey, New Mexico, North & South Dakota? Call and remind them to vote June 7th for Bernie Sanders!
Great analysis, as always. But who is actually “rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist” ? Many registered democrats didn’t even get to vote due to state- and party-sponsored voter suppression efforts (e.g., Arizona, New York…). We should just call the U.S. what it is: an oligarchy/kleptocracy run by the 1%, corporations, and the military-industrial complex, and governed by dynasty puppets anointed by the oligarchs in successive order (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton?, Bush?, Obama). Are we having fun yet?
Nothing terribly wrong in giving party elders a voice. She has more than 3 million votes over what Bernie has managed. Let the energy go into pushing the Democratic party as whole away from Wall St. and big Corporations: “Its the money, Stupid”
Yeah, you don’t push the party away from Wall Street by nominating someone Wall Street has paid tens of millions of dollars to for political favors…
They have a voice – they can have their one vote like everyone else. But they don’t want democracy, that’s the problem – and the threat.
It would be impossible to extricate her from Wall Street and Big Corporations, even using the Jaws of Life.
Something terribly wrong.
We voters didn’t elect those party elders to have a greater say in electing a presidential nominee than we do. (Some of them are just big donors, who we didn’t elect at all.) Give them ONE vote, just like I get.
Its clear the superdelegates committed early to add an aura of invincibility to the Crooked Clinton campaign. They were all bought off long ago with Clinton Cash. Sanders mistake was not attacking soon enough and battling for the votes in the south. Even some southern momentum of getting 40-45% of the votes, would have made this fight dead even. Instead he sat out and got behind due to the early states not investigating Crooked Clinton and trusting Superdelegates had gotten it right. He lost, but probably could have won with a different strategy.
One of the best written, most incisive pieces I’ve read in a long time.
Wouldn’t it be fun if this turns out to be another DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN moment?
This might be the most perfect thing I ever read
Ideal moment for the “Hypocrisy & Fear of the Establishment’s Ventriloquists” I just published. An entertaining read, pondering why do they fear Donald Trump so much?
https://medium.com/@romanlatkovic/hypocrisy-fear-of-the-establishments-ventriloquists-2a5788f1baa1#.abutv9o9u
This is disgusting and will not fly
This is all part of the establishment’s manipulative humiliation of progressives, begun with Obama dragging us out into public view and abandoning us except with his fine speeches. We are told over and over and over we are all foolish, naïve dreamers who should know that Yes We Can means If Our Overlords Say So.
Even more disgrace will befall true liberals when Bernie fulfills his promise to support Hillary Clinton. The right wing wins without having to try, as the entire culture “learns” that idealism and sincere faith are childish – and that Big Brother (and Sister) know best. Whoever is president
I would like to see proof of this: “But it’s also true that under the long-standing rules of the party, more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders. Independent of superdelegates, she just got more votes. There’s no denying that.” Since there has been rampant election fraud and voter suppression in these Primaries, had in a myriad of ways, I don’t know how that statement can even be made, period. When you consider that often, votes of Bernie’s were literally lifted from his totals and shifted to Hillary Clinton’s, the machines flipped votes, the fraud has been endless. If the Primaries had been fair and square, I would wager that Bernie won most of the States, particularly, Arizona, Massachusetts, Missouri, New York and more!
And what a despicable human being she is. Corrupt to the core since the early days in Arkansas, abusive, entitled and without a single noteworthy accomplishment. It is time to take a serious look at Gary Johnson, the only credible (government executive experience) running on removing government intrusion from our lives while allowing people to live the way they desire as long as it does not impinge on the well being of others.
I think the case can easily be made that Hillary Clinton is not the legitimately chosen winner of this process. With all the fraud that has occurred in Iowa, Puerto Rico, Nevada, New York, Arizona and soon California, there is very little credibility left in the electoral primary results and you can’t say that ” more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders.”
Was the election of Margaret Thatcher also an important and positive milestone?
How many consecutive coin flips was it that she needed to win? Unbelievable. Some of her victories make Al Franken’s first Senate election look legitimate.
You’ve got to be kidding that Clinton is not the legitimately chosen winner of this process. She’s just not YOUR chosen winner. In reality, you know, in a world where she constantly garnered more non-disputed votes than Senator Sanders did, she’s the legitimately chosen winner of this process.
Is the process seemingly fishy? No doubt. But don’t pretend like Clinton doesn’t win any which way on any day of the week.
Hillary offers NO SOLUTIONS FOR AMERICANS BEING BEAT BY WALLSTREET CRIMINALS (her friends).
Wallstreet (cons thieves and frauds) LOVE HILLARY & HATE TRUMP.
Donald Trump, divisive.
Hillary Clinton, evil.
So this is how democracy dies. With thunderous applause… and a series of commercials for household cleaning products.
…be sure to ask your doctor about democrasquelch.
A lot of young voters out there won’t forget the corrupt, underhanded direction of this Democratic primary. For all of the chaos and calamity the Republican primary had, it ended up actually more evenhanded than the Democratic side.
If Bernie was winning, you wouldn’t hear a whisper about corruption. This system has been in place for years. Now all at once there are all these things wrong with it.
***The Truth Hurts*** Bernie Sanders is a fine man, but he has lost. The majority have spoken. Now it is time to unify and help bring it home in November.
maybe that’s because Bernie hasn’t shown any obvious signs of corruption? and the system has been in place for years means… what exactly? nobody’s arguing that it was functional until just now.
The argument by Greenwald and Bernie supporters is that if DWS hadn’t put her body of the scale in order to ensure Hillary’s win, Bernie may have won. We will never know though because the establishment made sure that they did everything within their power to make sure Hillary was the nominee. That is not Democracy.
If Bernie was winning, you wouldn’t hear a whisper about corruption.
That’s because he’d be winning in spite of the corruption.
The majority have spoken.
You don’t know that and neither does anyone else. Do you know why? Because individual vote counts are not posted for states that caucus.
Those were states that Sanders largely dominated, so I would guess that might very well have altered the totals for the candidates, potentially the current standings, quite a bit.
If I lived in one of those states, I would be agitating to switch to either a primary system, or to find a way to have those get added in to the overall total. As they should be.
That’s as it should be…if we’re going to be trumpeting “overall vote totals”. And it narrows the room available for mischief that might ultimately end up being relabeled shenanigans.
And I’ve seen and heard comments by people who would have voted for Bernie say that they switched to Clinton at the last minute because they kept hearing that Clinton was sure to clinch the nomination…especially in these last few primaries.
If Bernie had the majority of Super Delegates, we wouldn’t be talking about them. This is the process that has been in effect for years. Now, all at once there is something wrong with the process.
BERNIE HAS LOST. Earth to the his followers: BERNIE HAS LOST. If he was a true blue Democrat he would acknowledge that and help solidify the Party. Instead, he’s talking a fantasy that will never happen. Nina Turner is shouting and talking about ‘taking the fight to the convention’. Why? Does he REALLY think over 500 Super Delegates are going to suddenly switch to voting for him? Plus, HRC has more pledged delegates. Bernie – READ MY LIPS. There is no path. Get with the party and help us win in November.
No, because if Bernie Sanders wasn’t beating Trump in any national poll and had historically low favourables that had been falling for months, indeed began falling before Clinton even entered the race, and if he was being investigated by the FBI, there is no way he would be chosen by the superdelegates. Instead, everyone would scream GET OUT OF THE RACE. Electable doesn’t have to mean right wing, and in 2016 it really really doesn’t this time.
It’s not the process that’s wrong, it’s the way it’s easily corrupted, handled by the establishment, and the blatant in the publics eye that is ticking off a lot of people. I have no idea why Bernie has’t left or if he should leave, the only thing that can save his is an indictment of HRC, that’s a hail mary pass.
READ MY LIPS! Why would anyone back a cheater, liar, and manipulator?
I always see comments that he is an outsider that snuck into the DNC and the supers shouldn’t vote for him. Given he has less than 8% of the supers votes when has has more than 45% of the overall votes and many of the states outright won it has some truth to it likely.
Then there are people who obviously support Clinton, also claiming he should get in and line and support the DNC and her.
So he should not be supported by the DNC, but should totally back them.
Got it.
Hypocrites.
If the majority have spoken, and he claims to be a Democrat what should he do? He has lost. That is the system. There is NO way he can catch up to her pledged or Super Delegate count. I know that hurts (I felt that way when she lost in 2008, but that is the system).
Hillary lost in 2008, and she backed the party nominee. Why should’t Bernie? (If he is a Democrat like he says he is)
You’re missing the point entirely, which is that people voting for Bernie Sanders don’t care about unifying the party or that Bernie isn’t a ‘true blue Democrat’, in fact people like him MORE because of this. It’s not a fantasy that a candidate who was polling at 3% a year ago is now polling better than HRC in every aspect. Bernie polls much better than HRC against Trump – does that mean anything to you?
Get with the party? HA! My party is the Green Party. Your Democratic Party is going to be as hip and happening as a Hillary Clinton rally. Yawn!
“This is the process that has been in effect for years. ”
Yes, Super-delegates pledging support for the corrupt one before Sanders even announced his candidacy.
shorter Len Turkel:
It’s always been rigged in favor of the most corrupt so get over it, and let’s bring it home …
wanker
> Get with the party and help us win in November.
No thank you.
It’s been painful watching the Democratic Party of yesteryear, so dedicated as it was to the blue collar working stiff and the now-quaint ideals of its immortal hero, FDR, shape-shift over the decades into its present form as a home to the highly educated, professional, super achieving, uber-elite functionaries now occupying our country’s highest social, financial, educational and political reaches. The 1% you might call them.
Equally as painful has been the fact that Democrats themselves initiated and shepherded this transformation years ago with a slick, talented charlatan who was a liberal in name only. We know who he was.
Now, it’s Hillary’s time to shine as she ties up all the loose ends of the metamorphosis (what loose ends there may still be in a party full of talent-soaked administrators) begun years earlier by her husband, and drags it all back home to Washington in a nice, neat bundle as one of the least liked or admired politicians of the present age, scoring only slightly higher in trust and likability than her Republican rival, the repugnant bully and bankruptcy scholar, Donald Trump.
Jesus, I’m glad my parents and grandparents don’t have to see this spectacle.
Tweedledum vs. Tweedledee – I will vote this November, just not for either of the two apparent nominees. With Hillary, you get all the corruption and lies. With Trump, you get the corrupter and lies. Crony-capitalists, both. I won’t participate in lowering the bar this time.
So disheartening. No wonder the people are apathetic. Disgusting.
By the way, great writing Glenn. Thank you for everything, esp. helping out Snowden. Love that guy!
Bernie Wins, Hillary Steals. Even you Glenn Greenwald continue with the mainstream bias that Hillary ran a clean campaign and won this election ignoring the growing anger and frustration of the public with all the discrepancies and out and out corruption from the DNC and the Clinton Campaign to small districts throughout the country. Again, with few exceptions, the only one who reports on US election fraud is Greg Palast. and there is a website Election Fraud 2016. But, other than that from The Nation Mag. to Common Dreams there has been silence on systemic electioneering. Everyone wants to sound, as you do, Glenn, that you are actually doing investigative journalism and maybe on some stories you do (Edward Snowden) however, when it comes to the US elections the alternative media, the progressive left media is largely silent. It is one of the US’s best kept secrets just how much voter fraud, voter disenfranchisement and actual electioneering is going on in the US. We depend on Journalists who have built a reputation with integrity to uncover THE most important issue The American citizen has, the right for our votes to be counted in clean and fair elections. We need you and others like you to do your job and tell us what is going on with our electoral process in districts throughout the US. Please do some real on the ground old fashion investigation to the condition of electioneering in The US
Meek mill takes an L.
Yamiche Alcindor = retard alert.
hillary is a fake, a fraud, and a fony
if she is elected, the reign of terror against the people of the US will continue.
correction
if she is elected, the reign of terror against the people of the US will continue.if she is elected, HER reign of terror against the people of the US will continue.
PS…
HILLARY LIES WITH WALLSTREET
This pimped out thief said “I want to make education affordable for all people”.
REALLY?
As in borrow your life from her wallstreet PIMPS and work to repay her pimps for the rest of your life – with interest.
If you think things are bad now, she would sell your children to her wallstreet pimps.
Good grief! They all do something we don’t like! But who has the experience and knowledge to get the job done? Who has been in the situation room? Who can negotiiate with the other party? Who knows the turf?
**There are no perfect candidates.** Who has enough savvy to swim with the sharks? Well my vote is with HRC. She has survived every obstacle placed in front of her for over 30 years now. She’ll be good for the US.
HRC is owned by Wall Street. Her judgment is awful. First she votes for war in Iraq, then causes the mess in Libya and Honduras with regime change. She’s just awful. Trump compared to her is JFK and I’m no Trump supporter.
Other than cackling over Khaddafis horrible death,what has she got done in her career?Please list accomplishments?
Your hero is a zero.
And the “cackling Clinton,” compares herself to Julius Caesar, i.e., ‘we came, we saw, he died.” Her accomplishments? Responsible for killing many, many people…
Who has been in the situation room?
Yeah, I’m thinking that’s nothing for her to be bragging about.
https://twitter.com/JeanetteJing/status/673536629475160064
Good for us. Like she was good for the people of Iraq, Libya and Syria. I guess its just”screw you..I got mine” when it comes to them
Actually, just the opposite. What she has accomplished – her knowledge and experience will be good for us.
Good for “us?” Speak for yourself, dude, You either know nothing, or, God forbid, you have no scruples or morals.
This is the perfect solution for the liberal “Gruberized” Democrat voter.
They can remain happy party zombies thinking their party is for them, while the reality is that they don’t count — their votes or their lives.
Meanwhile, Hillary will be furious if she has to endure a crappy Lear Jet in the event the Gulf Stream isn’t available to shuttle her to the next campaign stop.
Oh, the sacrifices and indignities she must endure for the sake of the little people!
Kudos for a succinct and well written appraisal of the death of democracy.
Seconded… screenshot for posterity. Looking through the digital scrapbook: “Kids, when democracy died, we all saw it, many spoke of it, but more ignored it.”
And the democratic party signed it’s own death warrant.
Seriously, it makes absolutely no difference to the Democratic Party if they don’t hold the White House. The 8 year scheduled turnover could go on just fine. They would rather lose with Clinton than win with Sanders. There’s no “death warrant” unless we kill them. That would be terrific though.
I wonder if this year enough regular liberal voters will show backbone and actually deliver a defeat to the D’s through refusal? It’s going to be very tough for a lot of them with annoying orange in their faces everyday. I will agitate for it, while not betting on it.
Seriously, it makes absolutely no difference to the Democratic Party if they don’t hold the White House. The 8 year scheduled turnover could go on just fine. They would rather lose with Clinton than win with Sanders.
… Vic, that is 100% correct.
The Democratic Party claims to be for the Little People but actually despises the little people — and elects to side with the elites, whom it claims to despise.
Why do Democrats keep putting up with this…?
Instead of the Ingroup fighting for power so they can punish the Outgroup, how about nobody violates anybody’s rights…?
Gary Johnson 2016 #MakeAmericaSaneAgain
Gary Johnson is for privatizing Medicare and Medicaid and getting rid of social security. No thanks. We are screwed. I’m getting my pitchfork out. We are going to need a lot of guillotines.
I’m going to vote for GJ this fall. I was a reliable party person, not this year. Absent dramatic action, SS, Medicare, Medicaid go BK.
The commenters here are ldiots. Hillary won the popular vote. I was sympathetic to Sanders…now he’s just a bitter old piece of $hit who won’t flush.
” I was sympathetic to Sanders”
Sure you were.
Secretive un-elected undemocratic elite-driven politics, NSA gathering all of our electronic communications, un-constitutional assignation lists, perpetual warfare….enough Glenn, I need to sleep tonight!
Can’t you report on puppies like “tv” journalists? You probably already have a report on them from the 3rd grade? Or you can regurgitate a story that already exists and no one will call it plagiarism because puppies are so cute and furry that there can’t be anything wrong with puppies or stories about puppies. We know you like dogs Glenn, so just one fuzzy puppy story. Thanks!
Another positive aspect of this Presidential primary is that it just may be the end of the two party system in America. I’ve only been a registered democrat because I’m not a republican, but now that I know that Liberals either equal or outnumber conservative democrats I know that I’m not trapped in that party. If the Liberals who support Bernie and dislike the democratic party would join the Green Party there’s a good chance that it could become the second biggest political party in the country. But even if that doesn’t happen, the Bernie vs. Hillary split has shown me who the real Liberals are and who the phones are, and I’ll remind the phones of who they are for the rest of President Trump’s term in office.
Ditto this. A million times this. Hoping Bernie will join Jill’s Green ticket; I would be proud to vote for the two of them. Am similarly glad I’m no longer feeling trapped in a party with Third Way Dems, of whom FDR would be ashamed. After spending the last twelve years of my young life giving my time, energy, money, and support to the Democratic Party, I watched the party commit bare-faced electoral fraud to tip the scales for a hawkish, corporatist, non-intersectional, under-FBI-investigation establishment favorite. I can say with relative confidence that I will remain a progressive third-party voter for the rest of my life. I can say with absolute confidence that the DNC will never re-earn my trust, my loyalty, or my financial support.
If you knew your third party vote would lead to President Trump. or say, President Bush and the Middle East bonfire, would you still feel that way?
Fortunately, Kate seems to have a decent enough grasp of logic not to believe that piece of BS. A vote for Drumpf is the only thing that actually helps Drumpf. Voting any other way (second-party, write-in or not voting at all) does not.
There is a difference between the election for a party nominee, where the rules are set by the party, and the general election. Just because the party’s rules haven’t worked in Bernie’s favor does not mean that they are “corrupt”. I am in CA and was planning to vote for Bernie until last week, when I became totally fed up with his claims that the system is rigged. If you don’t like the Democratic Party’s system, then work to change it. But don’t undermine people’s faith in the system by falsely claiming corruption. Is it a surprise that a lifelong Dem like Hillary would have the support of the Democratic party? Is it wrong that that should be the case? I don’t think so. I like Bernie’s stand on most policy issues, but he isn’t a democrat, and his campaign failed to fully understand and take advantage of the rules. That doesn’t make it “unfair.”
Election fraud has occurred in favor of Clinton. More than a dozen States’ exit polls are off by greater than 10% (>4% is a sure sign of fraud.).
MB, there is still time to right the ship!
There are lots of links in this thread to articles about the rigging of the system.
You can choose to ignore them, just as you choose to ignore Goldwater girl with that lifelong bull, and just as you ignore that Bernie has caucused with Dems in Congress.
If you consider yourself a person of integrity, you will read some of the links, and stop denying the corruption that has been documented.
Rules were broken, and it wasn’t fair.
Those abusing the system is what is undermining it… not the people pointing out the abuse.
I have read many articles about the evidence for supposed corruption. I ardently disagree with their conclusions. I don’t choose to ignore them, and I would appreciate it if you would do me the favor of not making assumptions about me when you don’t even know me. As I said, I was a Bernie voter until last week. I donated cold hard cash to his campaign. I have heard his message. I understand his dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party’s complex rules for choosing their nominee. But that doesn’t make it “rigged” or “corrupt.”
Please donkeys and elephants please fix your primary processes. My suggestions.
1. Primaries only, no caucuses, and not what Colorado did.
2. Have the Dem and Rep primaries on the same day, SC, DC, Puerto Rico and a few others have them on different days
3. Semi Closed primaries only, allows the undeclared to vote in either primary, but do not allow Dem or Rep to vote in the other, no trolls.
4. No Super Delegates whose counts like 10,000 times the actual voters vote, or at least make them vote the for the winner of the state on the first ballot (Reps did that).
5. I really do not like the winner take all states, that disenfranchises a lot of voters to are actually voting for delegates. It helps the “horserace story” but that is all.
6. Make the number of Delegates proportional to the actual population of the state or the Electoral college. I know the Electoral college is waited to small states by two votes per state but at least that is in the Constitution. Some states get extra delegates for having Governors, senators and voting for that party in the last general election.
7. Have the actual delegates voted on either by the voters (with the presidential candidate they are pledged to) or by the candidates themselves. The potential 2nd ballot delegate stacking going on the Republican circles this time are not democratic.
Not trying to blame any one party here, they both have work to do. Lets just give the people more power, not the “establishment”. After this time many establishment types may want to limit the peoples ability to vote their will. We came close to the chaos beyond the first ballot this year on both sides and I think everyone does not like that possibility (unless they own an all news Cable channel).
this primary season, if anything proved the need for more safeguards. We are a representative republic, not a democracy. And it was said up this way to prevent a populist candidate like Trump or Bernie to just scapegoat the contry’s problems onto the minority and start mob rules.
1) I agree, caucuses are undemocratic and should be eliminated. If there were no caucuses, Bernie would have dropped out long ago.
2) I agree, but this is up to the states, not the Democratic party.
3) Why should a non-Democrat be allowed to vote in a Democratic primary. The purpose of a primary is to give party members a say in their party’s nominee. If an independent could vote in any party’s elections, why register as anything other than an independent.
4) Name one time superdelegates have overturned the will of the electorate. As it stands now, both pledged and superdelegates appear to be supporting the same candidate.
5) This is up to the party, not you. All Democrat contests are proportional however
6) I believe in the Democratic primaries, the number of delegates is proportional to the number of registered Dems in the state — probably a good reason not to let independents vote.
7) Democrats do do that.
I know, I know, you Bernie Bros think its all a giant conspiracy theory. Perhaps that’s because most of you have never participated in the political process before.
about that “more votes” thing…
even ignoring the credible claims of tampering and other dodgy behavior in several key states including new york (which i don’t ignore but figure most people will), there’s also the issue of the “closed primaries”. sanders is running as a dem but many of the people who voted for him in the past and many more who would vote for him in the future are independents. they haven’t been allowed to vote in many of the contests (nor have the odd libertarians or republicans who hate both hillary and trump enough to vote for a so-called “socialist”). as the scum continues to ooze and drip from the democrat(“-ic”) party’s pores expect quite a few people to change their affiliation.
but none of this is surprising. if there’s anything the clintons hate more than accountability it’s the will of the people they expect to bow down and accept the coronation. i expect this to continue to the general election where a reply of 2000 or 2004 is highly possible. for all his connections and general sleaziness, trump is a rank amateur when it comes to political rigging.
as for the moronic identity politics of it all, she may end up being the first female president but she will probably be the last as well. or does anyone still think electing a “black” president helped anyone? eager to elect another corporate whore based on his or her melanin levels? no? just their estrogen levels, then? okay. enjoy WWIII, idiots.
“The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.”
Very true, but only up to a point. That cesspool of corruption is going to get the real ending it deserves in November.
I’m thinking since we are left with two crappy choices (unless HRC gets indicted) maybe all Bernie supporters who live in swing states vote for Trump, and for those that don’t live in swing states vote for Dr. Jill Stein and if Green Party isn’t on the ballot, vote for Trump. I’m a Bernie supporter through and through but if HRC gets in and we have an economic collapse we won’t see another democrat in the White House for a long time. Maybe we elect trump for one term, give him a major liberal senate and gain as many liberals in the house as possible so trump won’t be able to get anything through. After 4 years, elect a truly progressive president instead of the republican POS we have in there now. I’d much rather have 4 years of trump as opposed to 8 years of HRC.
hmmmm … well actually …. two crappy choices = NO CHOICE
so much for the DEMOCRACY y’all bang on about !
Political parties are free to choose whoever they want for their candidate. They have right to simply announce their candidate without primaries since it’s not national election. If Bernie and his supporters doesn’t like it, he is more than welcome to form another political party or run as an independent.
Is that so? Then why have primaries at all? To feign voter participation. What hypocrisy, and what a sham!
So they can waste more of our tax money.
So totally right! It’s a complete sham. Do they really think that ALL of us voters are so stupid
and blind.Nah, I sort of believe they don’t care one way or the other -what we think is not very
important to them – the show goes on.
I’d take you up on that but first *you* have to dismantle all the laws you’ve created to prevent third parties from gaining ballot access and a place in the debates. Willing to do that…? In the name of equality…?
Thought not….
I wish he would. I think he would be elected.
Greenwald is a guilt-ridden, white Hillbot.
The reason the mainstream media declared Hillary the “victor” was to suppress the Bernie Vote.
As a Sanders supporter, I implore you and the other fools posting here who think this is somehow an anti-Bernie Sanders article to stop with this bullshit and THINK HARDER.
You might actually claim to be a Bernie supporter Roland, but if you are, you are not a particularly thoughtful or informed one. Maybe stick around this site a bit and educate yourself, hmm? Hillary Clinton does not love this site, I guarantee you that.
HRC, the DNC/Schultz and the Democratic party once again being blamed for the lame media of which Greenwald is a part and has to add to the drool of sore losers. Here is another news flash. NO delegates…whether pledged or super delegate vote until the convention….Who has voted? The electorate and over 3 million more chose HRC.
Another news break…the super delegates are far from being hidden…numerous internet sites list them from NPR, wikipedia, pews research to a hit-list created by BS supporters themselves to con jole, demand, threaten that they support Sanders. I wonder how they found the list and somehow have no clue who is on it today?
The very delegates Sanders campaign and his supporters consider undemocratic want them to turn against the candidate that is winning by every measure, support him as Sanders, not even two days ago, was falsely claiming there would be a contested convention. #thehypocrisyberns
Amen! I still think Trump the candidate will implode (he seems to be doing this already), and that Hillary will be running against another candidate, perhaps one that many independents and former Bernie Sanders supporters will find it palatable to vote for. Otherwise, there’s always Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. Anyone but Clinton.
Thanks for writing this. Please consider mentioning the now pending litigation in SDNY concerning the super delegates https://www.facebook.com/KurzonForCongress/posts/1051732904876554
There are so many really interesting comments here .. and this was an excellent article. It pains me that this country has lost any “Democracy” it ever had. I voted for Bernie and I will continue to vote for Bernie even if I have to write his name in .. Bernie is our only hope of a return of power to the people. Bernie or Bust.
“[Hillary Clinton] is highly likely to be the legitimately chosen winner of this process.”
That’s highly debatable. (“Winner”, yes. “Legitimately” isn’t clear.) What sense does it make to imply that the process is rigged, and that the DNC has had their thumb on the scale throughout, and then turn around and say that she’s legitimate because ” she just got more votes”?
Aren’t we trying to have it both ways here? The real question is whether she would have won an unrigged primary, and we don’t have the answer to that, and never will.
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IF BERNIE SANDERS IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, PLEASE DONT WASTE YOUR VOTE BY WRITING BERNIES NAME ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT AS WRITE IN VOTES WILL NOT COUNT.
I PROPOSE WE BERNIE SUPPORTERS DO THE FOLLOWING INSTEAD:
IF BERNIE ISNT THE NOMINEE, THE DAY AFTER THE JULY DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION, WE REGISTER AS A GREEN PARTY VOTER AND VOTE FOR DR. JILL STEIN. DR. STEIN’S AGENDA IS IDENTICAL TO BERNIES. IF THE GREEN PARTY CAN GET AT LEAST 15% IN THE POLLS, DR. JILL STEIN WOULD BE ABLE TO DEBATE WITH THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC NOMINEES ON THE NATIONAL STAGE! THIS WOULD BE GREAT NOT ONLY FOR THE GREEN PARTY BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR THE GREEN PARTY IDEAS.
http://www.gp.org
SINCE THE GREEN PARTY, LIKE BERNIE SANDERS, ACCEPTS NO MONEY FROM WALL STREET, BIG OIL, OR ANY OTHER SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP, THE GREEN PARTY WOULD NEED ONLY TO RECEIVE AT LEAST 5% OF THE GENERAL ELECTION VOTES IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC FUNDING OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THIS MEANS THE GREEN PARTY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT PUBLIC FUNDING FOR THEIR FUTURE DOWN BALLOT CANDIDATES AND IF NECESSARY, FUTURE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES. PLEASE CONSIDER VOTING GREEN TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD AND YOUR VOTE COUNT! PLEASE SHARE THIS FAR AND WIDE. IF EVERY SINGLE BERNIE SUPPORTER TURNED THEIR BACK ON THE CORRUPT TWO PARTY SYSTEM AND VOTED FOR THE GREEN PARTY, IN JANUARY 2017, WE’D HAVE THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT, DR. JILL STEIN.
LASTLY, BELOW IS A LINK THAT ASKS POLLSTERS TO INCLUDE DR. JILL STEIN IN THE NATIONAL POLLS. PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINK TO SIGN THE PETITION.
http://www.jill2016.com/polls
THANK YOU.
NO.
Don’t make the Green Party look like THE ALL CAPS PARTY.
I thoroughly agree with your sentiment. Now learn a thing or two about making public appeals, please?
CUT THE FUCKING ALL CAPS, FOOL
Thank you.
Another win for the oligarchic plutocracy! Yaaaaaaay…
I enjoy the “secret win” names for all the pictures in her fundraising email. I received my first and only contact from Hillary campaign approx. 1 hour ago reminding me to go vote for her via text message. I am a Sanders volunteer and supporter for a long time.
No matter who the Democratic Party nominates, Sanders supporters will not go quietly into the night. Independents locked out of much of the primary process will simply write in their candidate this fall.
Independents account for 43% of the electorate according to Gallup (2015). Therefore, it’s implausible Clinton’s win was somehow earned. Also, why the hell does Puerto Rico have more delegates than 26 states?
Meaning, I don’t think he could split the vote in favor of Trump either.
Wayching the crybabies wail and gnash their teeth has been the best part of this primary.
Who needs dignity when you can get one last dig in on Debbie “the physical manifestation of all your pathetic lives’ problems” Schultz.
Amirite
Noyouarenotrite
The writer is precisely correct: he says clearly (which is hardly “wailing” and “gnashing his teeth”) that Hillary did win the popular votes in the majority of states.
He is ALSO precisely correct in that the news media and Debbie Wassserman-Schultz (former campaign chieftain for Hillary) attempted to throw the election for Hillary, to the best of their ability.
You’re seriously telling us that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is a good steward for the Party’s 13 million Hillary voters and its 11 million Bernie voters? Really?
As to the media, announcing Hillary the winner, based on secret superdelegate statements, on the day before 700 pledged delegates are to be chosen by the voters?
Please. You don’t even try to hide your participation in the propaganda campaign.
The Clinton’s has literally SHOT themselves in their feet! Not only will Bernie Supporter’s not support, nor vote for Hillary, we will either WRITE IN Bernies name, in the 43 States that allows it, or vote for Jill Stein, or not vote for a President at all! I know this is my intention, whereby, if I can’t vote for Jill Stein (I live in OK) because OK does not allow Write In’s! For myself and many Bernie Supporter’s there really isn’t any difference between Trump or Hillary, the only difference being, is that the Clinton’s have better command of the English Language! NO ONE IS SHOVING THE CLINTON’S DOWN MY THROAT, for they have done MORE then enough Damage to America and its Workers! For without Bill Clinton’s NAFTA Agreement (Outsourcing our Middle Class Jobs), Killing Off Glass Steagall (Wall St Looting, Raping and Ripping Off our Workers Pensions/Savings), and the give-away of our Media (to be Corp Owned and Controlled) with his 1996 Telecommunications Bill, NO WAY could the Bush Administration DO what the damage they did, with the exception of the Iraq Invasion, but Hillary Wholeheartedly Supported that too! The Clinton’s are JUST AS RESPONSIBLE, as the Bush Administration for the Economic Crash of 2008! Without Jobs, to sustain their way of life, of course the Housing Crash was the next thing to Crash, despite the fact that Wall St sold off millions of Housing Loans! For without jobs, how the hell do you hold on to your home? Next to Bill Clinton, Obama Presidency was a FAILURE, for he did NOTHING for the American Worker’s; he too is Wall St and Corporate OWNED!
Bye Felicia!
Wait a minute.
You say “Not only will Bernie Supporter’s not support, nor vote for Hillary, we will either WRITE IN Bernies name, in the 43 States that allows it, or vote for Jill Stein, or not vote for a President at all! ”
Who is the “we” you refer to? I voted for Bernie, not for you. You don’t speak for me, you don’t know my mind and you are dead wrong about how I’m going to vote.
Many of Bernie’s supporters agree with you. Many don’t. The preceding two sentences are what may commonly be referred to as “facts”.
What you think I will or won’t do is just that – what you think. It is at best an opinion, and one with no factual basis since you appear to be unaware that the only way I’m not voting for the Democratic nominee vs. Trump in November is if I’m dead.
Best of luck to you. Jill Stein too.
Most of us, according to polls and word from thousands of Bernie supporters around the country, will never vote for war hawk, republican in a democrat pantsuit, Clinton. many of us will vote Trump before we vote for a cheat who will have stolen the nomination.
I appreciate your conviction kyle, and have no doubt that many will indeed find themselves unable to vote for Clinton no matter how odious her opponent. You do understand though that there are also thousands of Bernie supporters whose convictions may line up with yours in many ways, but not this one, right?
I can assure you I am not just a figment of my own imagination. I respect and admire Bernie, and have to choose my words quite carefully when looking for something positive to say about Hillary, yet my own convictions lead me to a different conclusion than yours. And just as there are thousands of Bernie supporters like you, there are thousands of Bernie supporters like me who will vote for her – in fact who would vote for the proverbial yellow dog – before voting for Trump.
To attempt in June to predict the outcome in November based on “polls and word from thousands of Bernie supporters” is, I think, a tough row to hoe. Maybe you’re right, who knows? Maybe there are even enough who agree with you to put Trump in Oval Office next January, but I personally don’t think so, and I certainly hope not.
As with Earthie48, no hard feelings; I imagine we probably agree on more than we disagree on. Best of luck to you, and really to all of us. We’re going to need it no matter the outcome in November.
I wholeheartedly agree! Obama and his “hope and change” bullshite and did NOTHING for anyone but his big donors. HRC will do the same or worse. Obama sucked as president and now he’s claiming he’s for “expanding” social security when it was Obama that was the first president in the history of social security to not give a cost of living increase to social security recipients. He did that at least twice, maybe even three times. Yet, he supposedly NOW with a republican house and senate wants to EXPAND social security. LOL!
This guy didn’t ever talk about expanding social security and now when there’s no way it would pass the house and senate he now wants to expand social security. He’s a friggen joke! It’s called election year dog and pony show.
AP and most of the establishment press is in the tank for the Democratic Party. That’s never been more obvious.
I despise Trump but I hope he wins as a giant fuck you to the establishment press.
While many of us would find a giant FU to the establishment press delightful indeed, Trump winning the Presidency seems to me too high of a price to pay for that brief pleasure.
Too logical. How many spouses pay a marital price to high for a brief pleasure.
AMEN! One thing we know about Trump for certain, he will NOT allow Wall St CEO’S and Corporate America, led him around by his nose, as they do with the Clinton’s and Obama! Not only that, Trump has to get his feet wet, by the time 4 yrs rolls around, hopefully, we’ve cleaned up our voting system, and Trump will go back to do what he does best, Talk Trash and got the most out of his Presidency … we can BANK on that!
“he will NOT allow Wall St CEO’S and Corporate America, led him around by his nose,”
Sure he wont. And you’re not naive. Amen
Anecdote from a friend on what’s happening in California:
But yeah, Clinton has “won” more votes.
This is outright cheating. People have been tweeting all over to tell people to demand the correct ballot type (can’t remember what it it called), in particular telling the people who are not registered Dems but want to vote for Sanders.
It’s worse than that. Here’s her response when I told her that:
Oh, my.
Here I found it. This is what cross-overs are supposed to get but aren’t:
https://twitter.com/DOUBTMYPROGRESS/status/740267592166875136
I’ve talked to exactly 2 friends in CA. Both vote every election. This year one was deemed inactive despite voting last election and living in same place for 9 years. The other was mysteriously double registered as Green and American Independent and they wouldn’t let her vote. Both late 40 something white women lifelong dems.
Well, Gleen, although it is said that history is written by teh winners, historical evidence remains for more truthful evaluation.
US history follows a visible path, although that path is strewn with falsehoods hiding the intentions; the actors’ actions and both their private intent and public rhetoric differ vastly.
As you know, such events as the takeover of the US west by the US military during the 1860s was accomplished through US generals’ (and certainly many others) STATED intent to kill the vast bison herds. Since bison were not evolved to seek escape en masse from the mere presence of standing, sitting, relaxed humans, they do not have the flight response characterized by other ungulates. So they died en masse, and the indigenous resistance died of hunger.
The massive end-of-60s and early 70s bombing of Cambodia and Laos is forgotten, the actual fact that the USA LOST that war, along with the 1812 war, forgotten in history texts, although it is hidden in plain sight.
The illegal Reagan war against Nicaragua, hidden in hagiography of that man who was already demented enough before 1980 that he actually deserved his “teflon” sobriquet.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” and numerous rephrasings of it, were most famously said by Joseph Goebbels. Karl Rove repeated this concept making it the base of his political marketing strategy. Both certainly geniuses, one reviled by US citizens, the latter followed by over half of Americans.
How many ovr half, I am not sure.
Hilary Clinton has said that she deserved the nomination. Her opinion appears so far to be the dominant among certain groups.
I think it is “Time” magazine that badgered Sanders in print yesterday to leave off. That article is accompanied by many labeling him as a “Narcissist” for either not so doing, or in many cases, for not having done so at many points in the Spring of this year.
This even while he has said that the primary was not about him, but about the principles and the contest of the ideas he expresses.
Rather than continue, I’ll just leave you with a Wikipedia definition:
“Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon occurring in groups, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome.
“Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences.
“Groupthink requires individuals to avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking.
“The dysfunctional group dynamics of the ingroup produces an ‘illusion of invulnerability’ (an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made). Thus the ingroup significantly overrates its own abilities in decision-making and significantly underrates the abilities of its opponents (the outgroup). Furthermore, groupthink can produce dehumanizing actions against the outgroup.”
http://imgur.com/fHSFBTZ
Its democracy, but not as we know it.
Beam me up Scotty.
Brilliant comments, Tidford. Of course it had to be a political maneuver! I personally find Ms. Clinton unsavory and I would NOT vote for that woman, and what’s more, I DIDN’T vote for that woman!!
How can you say she got more votes when you are not counting caucuses. You have no idea how many actual votes either of them got when you consider that a person participating in a caucus does not get a recorded vote. Bernie won most of the caucuses, maybe he actually got more votes. Everyone lets her get away with spouting that 3 M more votes thing and no one points out that it does not account for everyone.
Remember most of her lead in voters came in the South,where idiots voted in mass for the worst person they could have.
Incredible the silence from liberals re black prejudice.
Either that or they were Egyptians,voting for Sisi.
The system is not perfect but it is also not a disaster. HRC got the most votes so any talk of secret decisions is somewhat moot. Who cares if the AP wanted to scoop other news outlets and make the call a little early? Is that corruption or capitalism at play?
It will be an interesting election of two candidates that utterly disgust me. Green Party 2016.
just as Tidford said below, when it is projected that a particular candidate is going to be the winner before a vote is taken, that stated projection suppresses voter turnout for the other candidate[s]. before HRC even announced her run the super delegates had all pledged their support for her so straight out of the box she had the appearance of being the victor. that is an unfair advantage before a single vote is cast.
This is exactly why the media doesn’t call elections until the last polls are closed – so they don’t affect the outcome. The AP calling the primary election the day before 6 primaries based on the hearsay of someone who might vote weeks away makes no sense, unless they were trying to affect the outcome today…as it wasn’t going to look good for Clinton as things stood.
HRC needs 26 delegates from the remaining states. She is the victor and AP was not corrupt for saying so.
GG makes a good point about how superdelegates are a sham, stacking the deck with elitists. But face it, Bernie came up a bit short. Maybe somebody else like him will come around in four years and we can try again.
No need to panic. Just keep trying.
Why are there superdelegates in the first place?Clearly an end around on the peoples choice.
Corrupt to the core,just like your zero hero HRC.
HRC is not my hero nor am I voting for her. Stop assuming things about me please.
Exactly. But his supporters are busy making conspiracy theories. I am surprised they haven’t blamed the illumanti till now (no,illumanti doesn’t exist).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehFVlDYYomI
I suspect the real point is being missed here. The media is “all in” for Hillary. A Bernie win in California would be highly embarrassing for the Hillary camp.
How to protect Hillary from such an embarrassing loss? Suppress the Bernie vote.
Certain things about voter psychology are well understood. Among those are:
When a candidate is guaranteed to be the winner:
1 – the vote of those on the other side will be suppressed because those voters will stay home, and
2 – otherwise undecided voters tend to vote for the expected winner.
The timing of this announcement, together with the air of secrecy and un-accountability, make it clear that this announcement is nothing more than pro-Clinton media apparatchiks diligently, if dishonestly, attempting to suppress the Bernie vote.
Was there even a poll of the super delegates or was this just manufactured to suppress the Bernie vote? Given typical Clintonian secrecy and dishonesty we are never likely to know.
Nothing new here: Nothing but lies come from the Clinton Camp.
Of course, it may suppress the Hillary vote, too. I do find it kind of obnoxious, all this focus on counting delegates instead of talking about what the candidates stand for and why the Bernie movement came to be, as well as what it’s future might hold, and what a Clinton presidency might mean for the average American.
At their own peril do the ignore the Movement
I disagree totally, I think the AP declaring Clinton the victor is likely to suppress her own vote, rather than Bernie’s. In competitive races, candidates are often afraid that their supporters will grow complacent if they assume that they have already won. Imminently after it was reported, Clinton tweeted, ‘that’s great, but we have primaries tomorrow’ (paraphrased). Additionally, Clinton surrogates in California continue to insist to supporters that need to go out and vote to close out the process. I’m not sure why you are going ahead and assuming a conspiracy here when it is not at all clear that the AP announcement will help her.
@mdiklel – We can agree to disagree.
Unsurprisingly I was not the only one too see through this BS “news story” that, it now appears, was prepare well in advance of the actual strategically timed announcement.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/wow-hillary-clinton-caught-colluding-ap-announce-delegate-win-california/
I don’t know if Hillary “conspired” with AP or if the folks at AP just did this on their own to buttress Hillary. But I have no doubt that the timing of this announcement was planned to have the greatest possible suppressible effect.
Yes, as a result, some Hillary voters won’t vote. But doubtless the intended effect was that even more Bernie voters won’t vote. Historically I think you will find that there is a much stronger suppressive effect on the predicted looser than on the predicted winner. I know that is the perceived “common wisdom” inside campaigns.
Brilliant essay, exactly on point. It is flabergasting that the Democratic Party establishment would ram through the candidate who is arguably the most unethical and least trustworthy since Nixon. It is even more astonishing they would blindly support a candidate who knowingly risked national security in handling classified information her entire time as Secretary of State, in violation of her signed affirmation to uphold the Espionage Act. This also is the candidate who destroyed 32,000 emails blythely in violation of the Freedom of Information Act. But what really takes the cake is that the establishment forces us, by hook or crook, to accept a Party nominee who is the only nominee ever under an active FBI investigation of these actions. A comparision to the Nixon Administration seems entirely appropos.
I voted for Bernie. And though I strongly disagree with the DNC’s actions, if they are so powerful then how did Obama win over Clinton in 2008?
The DNC didn’t have a problem with Obama. He’s played ball with them since day one. Obama was new but he wasn’t an outsider. Sanders is an actual political outsider despite his long record of public service.
How is he an “outsider” being in the Senate for over 30 years?
Look into it and find out.
Because the DNC livelihood wasn’t at stake. They either got the first black president, or the first female President. Either way, those candidates were not anywhere near as progressive as Sanders; and both would be a true establishment team player. Bernie is calling out the system for what it is… corrupt.
Because both Obama and Clinton served the same interests; Wall Street had engineered a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose situation.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-obama_thuaug16-story.html
“Buffett is Obama meal ticket, Aug 16, 2007 ”
“After his speech, Obama answered a few audience questions. The first was from a man who asked why people should support him instead of Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, whom Buffett has also supported.”
“”We are blessed with a very strong field on the Democratic side,” said Obama, as a smiling Buffett looked on. “I think she’s smart. I think she’s tough. I think she is capable. I think she would be a capable president.””
Yes, Buffett was smiling; his Berkshire-Hathaway outfit would get whatever it wanted no matter who got the nomination – no need get the DNC’s Debbie Wasserman Schultz to rig the process. Obama’s loyalty to Buffett continues to this day, as it does with to his other early sponsor, Exelon – he’s allowed them to increase control over the electricity systems, in a historical replay of the Samuel Insull electricity monopoly of the 1920s that was promoted by President Herbert Hoover.
Barak Hoover Obama, champion of the ‘enlightened industrialist.’ He performed admirably for Wall Street, helping engineer a massive bailout while letting the middle class homeowners lose their homes, especially the minorities who had voted for him – bait-and-switch Barak, aka Buffett’s poodle.
That’s why Obama and Clinton had what, 28 debates? While the DNC only scheduled 9 debates between Sanders and Clinton, and Clinton backed out of others after seeing Sander’s popularity shoot up after each one.
Ssh, get your logic out of here. They need a scapegoat because they lost. He can create a new political party or run as independent, but no, he decides to complain.
Brian T’s assertion has been trounced. Yours was lifted from the hack section at Daily Kos.
I remember the good old days when CNN and Fox declared Bush the winner in Florida. AP puts their thumb on the scales – again.
stay mad lmao
The corporate news whores need to remember their job is to report the news not make it “Dewey Defeats Truman” comes to mind.
No one said it better.
Last night on Rachel Maddow, H.C. was interviewed. At one point, after stating she had all the delegates, super delegates and votes needed to be nominated she said she simply couldn’t understand why Bernie kept saying he was going to work on the super delegates to change their vote and select him and I was thinking [shouting] so then what’s the purpose of the super delegates? Weren’t they created as a protection in case the public primaried a crazy or unqualified person?
The establishment is giving up real viewers. Any progressive who’s really following this primary season, will never trust these people again. They’re giving up their credibility permanently, to Youtube News. And it’s all for the better I think.
I think if you’d listened to Lawrence O’Donnell, you’d know that’s not always true. He’s done a bang-up job this campaign cycle, and he was clearly aghast that his network was calling the race.
They’ve lied to US like rugs since I don’t know when?(45?)and now you decide to not believe them?
They are all Zionists,and HRC is their babe.
The super delegates are donors and party big wigs. Their votes are intended to protect their power base and prevent outsiders from “stealing” their kickback money and stopping special deals where they benefit. The whole system is corrupt. The election has already been bought and paid for through the Clinton Foundation by Wall Street and foreign donors (and other rich people who purchased influence).
The system is perfectly designed for the results we’re getting.
Still voting Sanders today in CA.
Should have voted for him a week ago, LOL.
AP collaborated with Hitler and now with Hitlery
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/30/associated-press-cooperation-nazis-revealed-germany-harriet-scharnberg
The U.S. presidential primaries are a broken shit system which is inherently anti-democratic, i.e. the most votes make a candidate the winner. How can there be actual democracy when superdelegates’ votes (who are career politicians) count the most, and more then delegates votes? The super-delegate system is designed deliberately to KEEP OUT the general voting public’s influence over who wins: career politicians take care of career politicians, simple as that. This dumbshit American voting system assures that only a beltway insider, a corporate establishment pol will win the nomination. Like Greenwald points out here , a corporate media outlet like the AP announces Clinton the winner even before the actual vote citing anonymous super-delegates. Jesus christ what a fucked up, shitty system. It’s so sad and pathetic, and it just keeps grinding on, election cycle after election cycle, offering ever worse candidates like we have now: Clinton and Trump. The only reason those young millenials have so much enthusiasm for Sanders and ‘bringing about change’ is because they they’re too young, too idealistic and too naive to know any better. This ugly, sad, corporate democratic primary in which Clinton wins will be their first bitter taste of trying really hard to get their guy Sanders in–and being totally fucked over by a democratic establishment that will steam-roll over their hopes and dreams and ram Clinton down their throats. Just give them even just one more US presidential election to realize what millions of older Americans already know: the system is a rigged piece of shit and your vote doesn’t count. In the coming years these millenials will figure it out, and join the millions of older Americans who no longer bother to vote. Sad but true.
You mean the democratic primaries, not the U.S. presidential system. The republican side is more fair – each state only has 3 superdelegates and they have to vote how the people voted.
You said that a democratic election is one in which “the most votes make a candidate the winner.” Hillary got the most votes, by the end of the day today she will still have the most votes. Bernie is the one who wants to undermine the democratic process by convincing super delegates to support him despite losing the popular vote by over 3 million votes. Last I saw there were 4,051 pledge delegates and 712 Super delegates, so the super delegates can’t really over ride the will of the people, unless Bernie convinces them to support the guy who the people didn’t choose.
just 100,000 people in france shut down the entire country through protest.
Roads, highways, airports, gas stations, half the stores were all shut down, or congested with cement blocks, cars on train tracks, etc.
All of this was done JUST LAST MONTH to counter a labor movement that was heavily influenced by corporations.
America can do the same. The power of united protest, that shuts a country down gets more change done in a few weeks than waiting every 4 years on lies and more oligarchy lies. UNITE and PROTEST.
There is no goddamn way in hell that Trump could be worse than Reagan,Bush 1,or Bush 2,and Bent Dick and Obomba.
There is no less than zero.(good song though-
E.C.)
Greenwald is a traitor who should be swinging from a rope by his neck.
Hey dumbass, why don’t you explain why he is traitor? Or is it you don’t want your argument decimated on here.
Glenn Greenwald is an American hero. Most of Greenwald’s critics swore a supreme loyalty oath, oath of office, to uphold the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Most of Greenwald’s critics betrayed that supreme loyalty oath which many promised GOD to keep. Just because there are no real cops at the U.S. Justice Department to prosecute many of Greenwald’s critics doesn’t make him wrong.
His critics are the really disloyal ones that desecrated American values, Judeo-Christian values, Geneva Conventions and their own oath of office that they agreed to uphold under Article VI of the U.S. Constitution.
And you are a fascist moron, so what’s your point?
Dropped on your head as a child, were you?
Is that you, ex-CIA Director James Woolsey, current chairman of Paladin Capital, the NSA-CIA contracting finance group in Silicon Valley?
“Former CIA Director James Woolsey, known for having strong words about Edward Snowden, said this week that the National Security Agency whistleblower deserved to be “hanged by the neck.” – International Business Times, 11/20/15
Woolsey should be sitting in the Hague on war crimes charges for his central role in coordinating the Bush-Blair lies about Iraqi nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs – and Cheney, Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld and Rice should be his cellmates in the top tier of this round of Nuremberg Trials. Travel abroad much these days, Woolsey? I wouldn’t, you might end up like Pinochet.
In reality, the sleazy war profiteer is just upset about his corrupt NSA contracting business being exposed to the light:
“Wired has identified Endgame, a Paladin investment where Minihan [ex-NSA Director] serves as a director, as an NSA contractor. KEYW Holding, another company where Minihan is a board member, mentioned the NSA as a target customer in a recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Another ex-NSA official, former deputy chief of staff Richard C. Schaeffer Jr., sits on Paladin’s advisory board. The advisory group is chaired by R. James Woolsey, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency.”
http://news.muckety.com/2013/06/21/kenneth-minihan-at-nexus-between-nsa-and-tech-sector/43111
If the NSA’s budget is slashed as a result of the Snowden revelations, as it should be, then these sleazy contractors (the ones that Thomas Drake also exposed, by blowing the whistle on Trailblazer, a highly wasteful NSA contracting program run by SAIC, Booze Hamilton, etc.) will see the gravy train dry up; hence the howls of outrage from the corrupt greedy war pigs.
Didn’t you hear? Eric Holder just came out and (somewhat) defended Snowden, and FOIA pulled out evidence Snowden attempted to tell authorities the US was spying on its citizens. I guess our government just lied. I guess Hillary is a perfect fit for President.
How disappointing that AP would project a Hillary win when the final votes are not even completed. Is it just another example of corporations controlling the news cycle and trying to influence the outcome? People, please wake up. You are slowly losing control of your country to big money interests and corporate control, and thanks in large part to people like the Clintons.
Face the fact the fix has been sense forever. Further, Hillary will win the Democrat primary. Simple, end of story. The only possible, positive, outcome being young voters were educated about the electoral process. This will allow a foundation for discussion from grade school through college thus opening the door for debate and change.
What I fear most is the consolidated interests of mass media. That will not consider wide coverage in their best interest. Needless to say, not enough people are like us that read, seek and find news outside basic information channels. Good for us right. Unfortunately, not good for the public because without major media involvement once the election is over the focus will return to the daily Presidential mum-bo-jum-bo. Technically making the “debate and change” a more timely, arduous process.
The universality of the mainstream media blackout on Jill Stein and the Green Party is striking. Even when they’re discussing what disgruntled Sanders supporters might do, they still don’t mention Stein and the Green Party.
Well said on all counts. In the end, people are responsible for their vote, and there was enough information available–if they cared enough to research it–to tell them the truth about both candidates.
But shame on the major news media, including everyone who reported only superdelegate plus elected delegate totals instead of just the elected delegate totals, and including people like the talking heads on NPR and PBS who said “Bernie ran (past tense) a great race” even before five states had ever voted. They had a duty to report this race honestly, and with as little bias as they could manage, and instead they did everything they could to throw the vote.
Shame.
“But it’s also true that under the long-standing rules of the party, more people who voted preferred Clinton as their nominee over Sanders. Independent of superdelegates, she just got more votes. There’s no denying that.”
That is arguably not necessarily true., so why make such a definitive statement??
http://www.democracyintegrity.org/ElectoralFraud/just-doing-the-math.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/12/purged-hacked-switched-on-election-fraud-allegations-in-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders/
http://www.gregpalast.com/placebo-ballots-stealing-california-bernie-using-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick/
The only way she’ll reach the required number of delegates is by unfreaking elected superdelegates.In the old days this would mean a contested convention,with the possibility of vote switching away from or toward her or BS.
So its an attempt of non-democracy.
Simple.
Both parties created Trump and Bernie – they themselves created this.
In James Madison’s “Constitutional Democratic Republic” – Congress (“republic” part) is duty-bound to represent the voters’ best longterm interests (“democratic” part) within the boundaries of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (“constitutional” part).
The purpose of constitutional “checks & balances” is to have an equal counter-balance to concentrated government power in representing citizens within constitutional bounds.
Under Article VI of the U.S. Constitution all government officials at the local, state and federal levels have one thing in common: as a condition of employment and authority over regular citizens they take a supreme loyalty oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights when exercising that authority. For example: If the federal Attorney General, John Ashcroft, tortured or detained Americans citizens inside the United States exploiting the federal “Material Witness Statute”, a local prosecutor in your town could criminally prosecute a federal Attorney General (since the local prosecutor is also oath-bound to uphold the U.S. Constitution and protect the constitutional rights of his or her citizens within that locality).
James Madison and the Framers never designed a two-party system, they designed a bi-cameral system (House & Senate). Having said that, most constitutional experts agree that the Framers would have supported MORE (not less) checks and counter-balances on concentrated government power.
So the Framers likely would have supported a two-party system if it provided a real counter-balance on government power and healthy competition. Today we essentially have one party (Oligarch Party) that controls both parties while creating destructive competition that harms citizens.
Whatever we got, it’s not a “Constitutional Democratic Republic”!
Has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the article.
The DNC offered ONE candidate to “choose” from this election cycle
It’s my hope that the party loses millions of members who refuse to vote to elect Hillary Kissinger Clinton.
¡ Hello Green Party !
As far as I can tell
there are four methods whereby Hillary Clinton will become president.
1. Hillary – the bald-faced corporate warmonger liar who will say
anything for power.
2. The Donald – the blatantly racist arrogant corporate fraud who
is deliberately stirring up outrage and fear.
3. Bernie – the would be reformer who is likely to go-along-to-get-along
within the monstrosity of democrat cynicism because he just
will NOT take the necessary stand against the ubiquitous corruption.
4. The cynical majority who crave more of the same while deluding
themselves that Hillary is something other than what she has shown
herself to be and who will vote for republicans and democrats
as if more of the same is something new.
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The faking and predation continues within this democracy of deviance
wherein integrity and its integration are dismissed, disdained
and derided as being not “pragmatic.”
This pretense of a re-public is disintegrating from within the
craven delusions of its members.
Hard to reproach PresBush stealing the election from VPAlGore?
The AP Board of Directors is made up of the executives of most of the largest newspaper holding corporations in the United States; some privately owned, some controlled by Wall Street shareholders; it serves as a kind of Soviet Ministry of Information that answers to the Supreme Soviet Committee (i.e. Wall Street); these media holding corporations control the editorial policy of almost every daily newspaper published in the United States, and have been routinely downsizing staff at each new paper they take over – allowing them to coordinate their messaging all across the country.
Here are the some of the Committee Members who control the largest circulations (data from 2011):
AP BOARD OF DIRECTORS ?
Bob Dickey, President and CEO
Gannett
80 daily newspapers – 4.9 million subscribers
Mary Junck, Executive Chairman
Lee Enterprises, Inc.
52 daily newspapers – 1.3 million subscribers
Patrick J. Talamantes, President and CEO
The McClatchy Company
30 daily newspapers – 1.3 million subscribers
Michael Golden, Vice Chairman
The New York Times Co.
4 daily newspapers – 1.3 million subscribers
Steven R. Swartz, President and CEO
Hearst
17 daily newspapers – 1.2 million subscribers
Kirk Davis, CEO
GatehouseMedia, LLC
90 daily newspapers – 0.9 million subscribers
Donna J. Barrett, President and CEO
Community Newspaper Holdings, Inc.
83 daily newspapers – 0.8 million subscribers
Richard A. Boehne Chairman, President and CEO
The E.W. Scripps Company
17 daily newspapers – 0.7 million subscribers
A rather interesting trend emerges when one looks at the political endorsements of all the newspapers they control:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_primaries,_2016
Gosh, almost all seem to have endorsed Hillary! And now the AP has called it for Hillary . . . What a curious coincidence . . . but the ‘free and independent press’ has spoken, so I guess we should all just lap it up and regurgitate it on demand.
While it is true that Bill Clinton helped pave the way for the massive consolidation of media with his 2006 Telecom Act, I’m sure that had no effect at all on the media holding corporations all getting behind Hillary Clinton. . . well, maybe.
After all, Hillary Clinton is not likey to promote anti-trust legislation aimed at breaking up the media conglomerates, not when they’ve been so good to her. . . and she knows that without Wall Street behind her, she’d be stuck back in Arkansas, flogging adjustable-rate home loans to ignorant first-time homebuyers, while Bill Clinton stayed at home looking at Internet porn.
This is an important point. Thank you for raising it.
Hopefully their power is waning, because there are some Youtubers who regularly have way more daily views than some of these papers have subscribers.
So what you’re saying is… this was a coup!! I agree.
1996 Telecom Act. Not 2006.
Really great points made here, thanks.
You wrote “massive consolidation of media with his 2006 Telecom” thanks to Bill Clinton. Most of these business consolidations have been so unhealthy in so many ways, but this was an all-out assault on the Freedom of the Press, which only a Democrat could pull off in his wolf in sheep’s clothing outfit.
Yeah, it feels like it’s been an eternity since we’ve had a “free and independent press”. I feel like all I get shoved down my throat any longer is what other people want me to believe. I didn’t used to feel that way.
Who can forget Pelosi taking any impeachment proceedings against GWB and company off the table?
Apparently the whole dang DNC!
superdelagates protect the democratic party from unwanted outbreaks of democracy.
This was a perfect pre-empt for the California election… except for one problem. Bernie voters are already used to being told their efforts are hopeless, nothing they do can change anything, and having the mass media run propaganda against them. I’m counting on the Bernie voters in California to be affected less by this announcement than the surf forecast. Voting doesn’t have any less point when you lose than when you win.
Hear, hear. I voted for Sanders in CA today. U.S. media needs a Thurman Arnold more than ever.
True–with luck, perhaps the Hillary voters will be the ones to say “well, I guess we don’t need to show up today, then!”
But the media have given Hillary an excuse if she loses the California primary: her supporters saw no reason to go out and vote.
Well said!
I voted for Bernie this morning.