Updated | June 9, 2:48 pm
Two Palestinian gunmen opened fire on Israeli civilians at a busy restaurant complex in central Tel Aviv on Wednesday night, killing at least four and wounding six, according to a police spokesman.
The suspected attackers were both arrested close to the Sarona Market, where the shootings took place. As the Israeli journalists Noam Sheizaf and Anshel Pfeffer pointed out, the scene of the attack is just across the street from the headquarters of the Israel Defense Forces, although the attackers clearly aimed at civilians, not members of the security forces.
Sarona Market, where Tel Aviv attack took place, is across the street from IDF Central Command (Kirya)
— noam sheizaf (@nsheizaf) June 8, 2016
Tempting as it may be to describe this as attack on IDF HQ across the road, all casualties are civilians out eating. No shooting at soldiers
— Anshel Pfeffer (@AnshelPfeffer) June 8, 2016
Israeli journalists quickly obtained and shared video recorded by witnesses to the aftermath of the attack, including images of one suspect being shot as he fled outside the Tel Aviv Cinematheque, about a five minute walk from the Benedict restaurant where the shooting spree took place.
#BREAKING: Video of the moment Policeman shot the terrorist in central Tel Aviv pic.twitter.com/rEzX2GDQGb
— Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) June 8, 2016
In the first of three clips showing the suspect lying on the ground after he was shot, an onlooker can be heard urging police officers to execute him with a bullet to the head, according to a translation by Sheera Frenkel of Buzzfeed.
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— haim etgar (@haimetgarr) June 8, 2016
The officers instead handcuffed the suspect and took him to a nearby hospital for treatment, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported.
The civilian’s demand for the immediate, extrajudicial killing of the suspected gunman by officers echoed similar calls made by Israeli witnesses in the immediate aftermath of attacks, mostly on civilians, carried out by Palestinians armed with knives or guns in the past year. Almost the same words were used by a spectator on another Tel Aviv street in March, when a police volunteer, egged on by the crowd, shot a Palestinian suspected of killing an American tourist, after he had already been wounded and immobilized.
Later that month in the occupied West Bank city of Hebron, an Israeli army medic, Elor Azaria, was caught on video executing an immobilized Palestinian suspect, Abed al-Fattah al-Sharif, killing him with a shot to the head as he lay on the ground.
Although Azaria is currently being prosecuted by Israel’s military for manslaughter, sympathy for the soldier is widespread among the civilian population, and his name was mentioned Tuesday night in online calls for the summary execution of the attackers in Tel Aviv.
Sgt. Elor Azaria… you were sorely missed in #TelAviv tonight.
— ZalmiU (@ZalmiU) June 8, 2016
As such demands for the immediate execution of suspected attackers grow more frequent, Israel’s new defense minister, Avigdor Lieberman, has promised to introduce the death penalty for anyone charged with terrorism in Israeli military courts. As Haaretz reported last month, since Israelis charged with murder are almost always tried in civilian courts, that would set up a system in which capital punishment would effectively apply only to Palestinians.
Harrowing security camera footage of the attack on Wednesday, posted online by Israeli news outlets, showed the gunmen, wearing suits, abruptly get up from a table and start firing, shooting patrons at point-blank range before fleeing the restaurant. As the attackers left, one of them appeared to throw down a homemade rifle later photographed at the scene.
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— ????? 2 (@Channel2News) June 8, 2016
TEL AVIV SHOOTING: CCTV video of the 2 terrorists – wearing suits – inside the restaurant pic.twitter.com/7JBSYiI4Mf
— Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) June 8, 2016
The two men were later identified as cousins from the South Hebron area, according to the Palestinian filmmaker Enas I. al-Muthaffar.
Tel Aviv gunmen are two Palestinian cousins from Hebron: Khaled and Ahmad Makhamra. https://t.co/8RJm8IO8P1
— aL-Muthaffar (@imuthaffar) June 8, 2016
Israel’s foreign ministry expressed outrage that the attack was celebrated by some Palestinians on social networks, including at least one senior Hamas official, Ismail Haniyyeh.
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While prominent voices in the Palestinian diaspora — like Yousef Munayyer, the executive director of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, Ahmed Masoud, a writer born in Gaza, the poet Remi Kanazi, and Ali Abunimah, a founder of the Electronic Intifada — call for nonviolent resistance, they expressed frustration on Wednesday that the international media seems much more interested in the killing of Israelis than killings by Israelis.
Glad media is covering horrible violence in Tel Aviv, wish they paid more attention to systematic violence of occupation underlying it all
— (((YousefMunayyer))) (@YousefMunayyer) June 8, 2016
If the media reported on #gaza & #palestine the same way they did on Tel Aviv there wdn't be time 4any other news. I hate death everywhere
— Ahmed Masoud (@masoud_ahmed) June 8, 2016
You forget just how little the US media values the lives of Palestinians until an Israeli is killed or injured.
— Remi Kanazi (@Remroum) June 8, 2016
Notice how forensic mainstream media are whenever Israelis are hit by violence? Daily violence against Palestinians is ignored.
— Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) June 8, 2016
Update | Thursday, 9:58 am:
The morning after the attack, as Israeli officials put the attackers’ entire home region under lockdown, some Israeli and Palestinian commentators and politicians argued in more detail that failing to understand the context for the attack — without in any way justifying it — just serves to foster the dangerous illusion that ever harsher security measures against the entire Palestinian population can lead to lasting peace and security for Israelis.
Ayman Odeh, the leader of the Joint List alliance of Palestinian parties in Israel’s parliament, condemned the violence in clear terms, the Jerusalem Post reported, but said the Israeli government’s ongoing occupation of the West Bank and Gaza only perpetuated “the cycle of terror and bloodshed.”
“My heart goes out to the families. An attack against innocent people is always reprehensible, there can be no justification for shooting civilians in the street,” Odeh said. “We must fight together to bring an end to the occupation and do the right thing for justice and peace for both peoples.”
Tel Aviv’s mayor, Ron Huldai, who urged citizens to go back to their normal lives as soon as possible also told Israel’s Army Radio that it was a fantasy to expect Palestinians to simply accept the harsh conditions of life under endless occupation, in which a whole population is subjected to a prison-like security regime. “We might be the only country in the world where another nation is under occupation without civil rights,” Huldai said. “You can’t hold people in a situation of occupation and hope they’ll reach the conclusion everything is alright.”
“Huldai’s comments come at a time when the occupation has all but disappeared from the Israeli public consciousness, and Palestinian violence is seen as senseless and random,” Edo Konrad observed in the online Tel Aviv magazine +972. But, he added, “simply speaking the truth in a country where the idea that 50 years of military dictatorship might just have something to do with Palestinian violence is now popularly viewed as something akin to treason.”
Indeed Huldai’s remarks were quickly rejected by the country’s deputy defense minister, Eli Ben Dahan, a rabbi from the rightwing Jewish Home party who once said Palestinians “are like animals, they aren’t human.” He called the mayor’s comments “bizarre” and “delusional,” arguing that the killing of Jewish immigrants in 1929, during Arab riots over British plans to create a national home for the Jews in Palestine, somehow proved that the current violence was not prompted by decades of Israeli military rule.
Another member of parliament from the same party, Bezalel Smotrich, wrote on Twitter Thursday morning: “I am very concerned by the fact that the terrorists left the scene alive yesterday. A terrorist who goes to harm Jews should not come back alive, period.”
Before the mayor’s interview, Mairav Zonszein, a Tel Aviv-based writer, took issue with his earlier plea for normal life to continue in the city. “Mayor Huldai implored us to go back to our routine, back to business as usual,” Zonszein wrote on the Israeli news site +972. “But this is completely misguided. Strength and resilience cannot come from trying to push reality aside, disregarding the entire picture and continuing on as if life here is normal. Rather true strength will come from looking critically and deeply at what perpetuates this violence.”
She continued:
And “routine” is a very relative term: it depends on whose routine you are looking at. The fact that most Jewish Israelis have the ability to go back to a “normal” routine reflects an immense privilege. They have the privilege of freedom of movement and human rights and a representative government to protect them and so many other rights that Palestinians simply do not have. Having a daily routine to go back to, a routine that is free of violence, is a privilege that most Israelis have and most Palestinians do not. And anyway, increasingly, the default routine for Israelis is stabbing attacks and bomb shelters.
The Palestinian journalist Daoud Kuttab called the killing of the civilians “unjustifiable,” but argued that expecting peace without justice was deluded. “Israelis should enjoy a normal life but they can’t expect to do that while denying it to others under their control,” he observed in a column for Al Jazeera English.
“Without a political horizon, the Palestinian public is depressed, desperate and totally frustrated,” he added. “They blame their leaders for leaving them in this neither-peace-nor-war limbo for decades. And they are left alone in their struggle to shake up complacent Israeli public opinion. This is the kind of frustrating environment that motivates individuals who carry out these acts.”
The father of Ido Ben Ari, one of the four victims of the Tel Aviv attacks, made an extraordinary statement at his son’s funeral:
This man illustrates why some of the more depraved Israelis were gleefully celebrating the attacks — they find Tel Aviv to be “leftist” and thus “deserving it.”
“……..This man illustrates why some of the more depraved Israelis were gleefully celebrating the attacks — they find Tel Aviv to be “leftist” and thus “deserving it.”……”
Do you have any percentages of Israelis that were “gleeful” and believed that “leftist” Tel Aviv “deserved it”? Of is just your typical broad brush labeling of fascist Zionists (Jews) that you dearly love to promote?
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=4793
As many of you know, last weekend New York Governor Cuomo signed an unconstitutional and undemocratic executive order that mandates New York blacklist and then divest from companies and institutions that support the Palestinian-led campaign for boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS). As dangerous as this order is, it is nothing if not an indication of our growing power.
This power, and specifically the power of the local Freedom to Boycott–New York coalition, which includes many of our member groups, had stalled the anti-BDS bills in the state legislature there. The legislative session was coming to a close and the bills were not moving, so, Gov. Cuomo took matters into his own hands, sidestepping democratic processes and ignoring the hundreds of New Yorkers who voiced their opposition to these bills.
The opposition is scared and they are choosing yet again to go down the path of subterfuge and suppression. – See more at: http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=4793#sthash.y4s1j9vC.dpuf
Goal of the BDS:
1. End the Jewish majority state and replace it with a Palestinian majority state
How it will accomplish this:
1. Deceptively suggest that the BDS movement just targets Israeli settlements east of the 1949 Green Line i.e., supports the Arab Peace Initiative.
2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.
I see!
In your view it is deceptive to require respect for international laws that protect the rights and dignities of human beings.
Thanks for this amazing insight into your psyche.
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There too many zionist trolls here…
Time to spray…
Sparrow
Got anymore Pilger links? You speak about an extreme leftist. He would fit perfectly at the Intercept driven by the same anti-American (and anti-Israel) philosophy that currently prevails here.
At a Guardian webcast, a listener ask Pilger a simple question about human rights and economic growth in China. Pilger’s response is a classic (anti-Americanism that is):
24 Feb 201605:15
Snowball50 asks:
“……..I currently work and live in China ( I am from the UK). I wonder what your thoughts are on the current state/level of human rights in this country? Why do you think the major western countries seem to lack any real response to the concerns they express about China, be its human rights record, growing economic dominance or its attempts to reach out to other countries that the West has not been interested in?……”
Guardian contributor
JohnPilger
24 February 2016 10:12am
“……..China is currently being encircled by US military bases and ships and planes and missiles. Obama calls this his ‘pivot to Asia’. The bases run in an arc from Australia through the Pacific and Asia and across Eurasia, and they beckon provocation and war, even nuclear war. Consider the human rights extinguished if that happens…….”
What a fucking nut…….
And the typical Craig rant…without intelligent links…
John Pilger represents a threat to you and your kind. He has spent a life time reporting Humanitarian atrocities across the globe caused by USG and Israel. Of course you hate him! GOOD…
And of course it is why you hate the IT…GOOD…
By all means don’t let the door hit you…cause your fear is showing and will be knowing of the growing BDS …and the end of your poor little make shift tyrannical so called propaganda rat hole.
Is that why Israel is trying to silence the world of its lies, deceit, and bloodshed?
CAN’T…
Oh and thanks for watching…
sorry forgot to get more Pilger links…
https://vimeo.com/17401477 PALESTINE IS STILL THE ISSUE (5 years ago)
So it doesn’t include the last two Israeli wars on Gaza….
http://johnpilger.com/
Pilger, the nitwit, couldn’t even answer a simple question about Chinese human rights violations without redirecting to a US caused potential nuclear war (like that is going to happen). Radical leftism which is underpinned by an obsession with US (and Israeli) policies is nothing short of a disease. An estimated 280,000 people have been killed in Syria with millions of refugees – and there has not been a single article by the thirty journalists at the Intercept about the role of Russia, Iran or Hezbollah which has propped up the brutal regime.
Let me spell it out better for you. Extreme leftism begins with extreme anti-Americanism. It does not mean one is necessarily a Marxist. Of course as in any political label, there is overlap between various political designations such as liberalism and extreme leftism. Note that some of these may also be elements of the far right (sometimes indistinguishable) and the list may not be entirely complete:
1. Anti-American/anti-Israel almost always in tandem and completely predictable. How many articles has the Intercept had on Israel lately? A couple of classic far left positions which pertain specifically to Israel:
(a). Zionism is racism
(b). Israel is an apartheid state
(c). Israel is not a democracy
(d). Israel is an ethno supremacist state
(e). Opposition to a Jewish state i.e., support the one state solution
(f). Israel is a colonialist venture
2. Jews have too much power and/or run the US and European governments (US policies are in the interests of Israel). The far right and the far left are indistinguishable when it comes to Jewish power.
3. Belief that the US and Israel are two of the most dangerous countries in the world. One example constantly cited is that America was the only country to use nuclear weapons.
4. The Belief that the US is behind all political activism/coups such as in Syria, Ukraine or Brazil – or belief that the US supports the jihadists in Syria.
5. Support for the rise of counter balances to US power such as anti-democratic China and Russia.
6. Colonialism is the foundation of the far left: five hundred years of western imperialism and racism.
7. The west is driven by racist policies – especially regarding Muslims and the greater Middle East (Obama has bombed seven predominantly Muslim countries).
8. Anti-corporatism and inequality (obsessively).
9. Climate and environmental extremism.
10. Anti-globalization/anti-neoliberal policies.
11. Anti-Christian bigotry and hatred (intolerance).
Pilger is one of the more extreme. By the way, thanks for the links.
LOL…………..
This is not to say that Pilger doesn’t make good points. He does. It’s just that his perception of the world is so colored by US (and Israeli) policies that human rights everywhere else just doesn’t matter. What better way to illustrate that than his response to a question about Chinese human rights in the example above?
Thanks for your responses.
Herrsommer,
Got anymore brain cells left, zio?
What a fucking zio window licker…….
Zionism rots brains, Part 479,231
Yesterday, New York governor Andrew Cuomo took to the op-ed pages of the Washington Post to double down on his McCarythyite executive order to, among other things, blacklist BDS supporters. The whole thing is a marvel of inanity in the service of authoritarianism.
One sentence kept cracking me up all day yesterday, because it’s just so absurd and naked in its ass-kissing of the Israel Lobby:
Do read the whole laughable thing.
I am not certain that Cuomo even understands the primary goal of the BDS campaign which is to eliminate the Jewish majority state. That is why the BDS campaign is doomed to fail. Yes, it is discriminatory singling out Israel for sanctions (think Tibet, for example) but that is not even the most important reason for opposing the BDS campaign.
In all honesty, no one with a half of a brain thinks Cuomo cares one iota about the 500 Palestinians that lost their job because of sanctions. That’s ridiculous.
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/18/brazil-is-engulfed-by-ruling-class-corruption-and-a-dangerous-subversion-of-democracy/?comments=1#comment-212423
cough…cough…New York will not tolerate this new brand of warfare. New York stands with Israel because we are Israel and Israel is us. Our values — freedom, democracy, liberty and the pursuit of peace — are collective, as is our drive to achieve them.
……….cough……cough…………..
Somebody help Cuomo to his padded office…and please don’t give him a pen?
Mr. Mackey
Just thought I would update the staff and below the line posters of the Intercept on world events (al Jazeera, 6-11-2016):
“……..Western powers have criticised President Bashar al-Assad’s government, accusing its forces of dropping barrel bombs on the Syrian town of Daraya just hours after it received its first food aid in almost four years. The strikes in Daraya on Friday used crude unguided weapons that kill indiscriminately. A convoy of trucks carrying food arrived in Daraya late on Thursday, delivering rice, lentils, sugar, oil and wheat flour to civilians for the first time since the government laid siege to the town in late 2012. Assad’s forces bombarded the town shortly after the delivery, according to a witness and human rights monitors, dropping barrel bombs from helicopters as residents shared food……”
Excellent catch on quoting the Israeli who called for the extrajudicial killing of the terrorist, but there is a story you seemed to have missed in Syria reported by al-Jazeera and a host of other (real) media outlets. Seems as though Assad allowed a food drop in a besieged town in Syria (Daraya) only to follow up with a series of barrel bombs which indiscriminately murder people. Aid workers were not able to distribute the food to the starving population. Additionally, the Syrian regime has been accused once again of using Sarin gas.
Any idea when the Intercept will carry their first stories on the Russian, Iranian and Lebanese support for the murderer Assad? Or is the Intercept going to continue to focus on really important stories like discrediting an American war hero or quoting victims of terrorism who call for the extrajudicial killing of common Palestinian terrorists?
Sulai requests of me:
McCarthyite blacklisting is a rather recent and odious Zionist weapon. In the U.S. perhaps the premier such project is “Canary Mission.” The Jewish magazine, Tablet, describes the project and it’s site thus:
Part of the purposes is to list pro-Palestinian activists so they can be harassed online. But the more worrisome purpose is that they intend to silence pro-Palestinian student activists and faculty with threats of destroying their careers.
As MintPressNews reported:
I say this often, but that’s because when focusing on Zionism and Zionists the idea occurs so often: Zionism kills Palestinian bodies and Jewish souls.
Mona
“……..I say this often, but that’s because when focusing on Zionism and Zionists the idea occurs so often: Zionism kills Palestinian bodies and Jewish souls……”
You also quote Jabotinsky quite often:
“………“The Jewish people are a very nasty people. Its neighbors hate it and they’re right.”…….”
Do you believe that Jewish people are a nasty people Mona?
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/18/brazil-is-engulfed-by-ruling-class-corruption-and-a-dangerous-subversion-of-democracy/?comments=1#comment-212423
Hasbara troll, Jack Green, lies, and cites a liar (Alan Dershowitz), and when caught won’t admit it. Mind you, I do not use the word “lie” cavalierly, as so many do. I use it properly, meaning a statement that is neither an error nor a difference of opinion or interpretation, but rather the knowing telling of a falsehood.
Start with my comment here (scroll to gray-highlighted comment) and read the whole subthread to see Green (and Dershowitz) lie.
Jack Green would appear to be a troll.
“Israel is a democracy.”
Israel is not a democracy. They have a democratic system of government that is skewed heavily by superstition. Yes, Israel is the Superstitious State.
Democracy is rule by the people.
If the people are superstitious, then the government may be superstitious,
but it’s still a democracy because it’s ruled by the people.
Israel is an ethno-religious supremacist state. Whatever accidents of democracy it touts, it is not a liberal Western democracy as that concept is ideally understood, or anywhere close.
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Perhaps your local community college offers some remediation courses in reading and composition?
I seem to recall that the original text said something like Israel is to a liberal democracy as rape is to sex. Did you have that changed Mona?
Your response that I was referring to is below. Jack Green had the exact same response to both of your posts. Sorry about that.
https://vimeo.com/67739294
The War You Don’t See
John Pilger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Bernays’ most extreme political propaganda activities were said to be conducted on behalf of the multinational corporation United Fruit Company (today’s Chiquita Brands International) and the U.S. government to facilitate the successful overthrow (see Operation PBSUCCESS) of the democratically elected president of Guatemala, Colonel Jacobo Arbenz Guzman. Bernays’ propaganda (documented in the BBC documentary, The Century of the Self), branding Arbenz as communist, was published in major U.S. media. According to a book review by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton of Larry Tye’s biography of Bernays, The Father of Spin: Edward L. Bernays & The Birth of PR, “The term ‘banana republic’ actually originated in reference to United Fruit’s domination of corrupt governments in Guatemala and other Central American countries.”[28]
Propaganda[edit]
Main article: Propaganda (book)
In Propaganda (1928), Bernays argued that the manipulation of public opinion was a necessary part of democracy:[17]
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.
Articles in the journals of opinion, such as the one by Marlen Pew, Edward L. Bernays Critiqued as “Young Machiavelli of Our Time”,[18] and the debate between Bernays and Everett Dean Martin in Forum, Are We Victims of Propaganda?, depicted Bernays negatively.[19] He and other publicists were often attacked as propagandists and deceptive manipulators, who represented lobby groups against the public interest and covertly contrived events that secured coverage as news stories, free of charge, for their clients instead of securing attention for them through paid advertisements.[citation needed]
Bernays’ brilliance for promotion in this vein emerges clearly when one reads, in the Bernays Typescript on Publicizing the New Dodge Cars, 1927–1928: “Two Sixes”, the story of how he managed to secure newspaper coverage for the radio programs he developed to promote the Dodge Brothers’ new six-cylinder cars. The Bernays Typescript on Publicizing the Fashion Industry, 1925–27: “Hats and Stockings” and the Bernays Typescript on Art in the Fashion Industry, 1923–1927, reveal a similar flair for consumer manipulation in the arena of fashion.[citation needed]
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/deception.html
CONFESSIONS OF AN EX-MOSSAD AGENT
Excerpt from Victor Ostrovsky’s, “By way of deception”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEVFOzMLLlI
The Father of Propaganda: Edward Bernays
https://vimeo.com/67739294 The War You Don’t See John Pilger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Propaganda[edit]
Main article: Propaganda (book)
In Propaganda (1928), Bernays argued that the manipulation of public opinion was a necessary part of democracy:[17]
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.
sorry for the duplication…TI didn’t allow first double link…so I started over.
In reply to Jack Green;
I supported Israel’s right to exist and for decades when it appeared they were honestly trying to make peace with the Palestinians and could coexist and share the land of Palestine but that view was an illusion.
Uri Avnery calls the leadership in Israel Fascists and it’s difficult to dispute someone with his history in Israel.
Fascist means a dictatorship.
Israel is a democracy.
Israel is to democracy what rape is to sex.
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https://www.amazon.com/Mommy-Teach-Read-Easy-Use/dp/0805444777
Zionist means fascist.
Your Zionist “israel” is a fascist garrison state.
When you know you have something serious to hide.
Why Israel is blocking access to its archives
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/israel-blocking-access-archives-160609054341909.html
Why are Arab states blocking access to their archives?
Examples of/links about/quotes regarding/statistics for these “Arab states blocking access to their archives” please.
Cheers.
Norman Finkelstein grasps why Palestinians murder Jews
In the 1920’s, Palestinians shouting “The Jews are our dogs!” & “Islam was spread by the sword.” were murdering innocent Jews. Not only was that before occupation, but that was before Israel.
Repeatedly I’ve debunked this crap that you recycle, I’ve done it in thread after thread. What follows will not penetrate your skull, but for the benefit of others I document the reasons the Arabs of Palestine c. 1920s were justly outraged at the Zionist Jews in their land:
As the Jewish Zionists purchased vast swathes of land in Mandate Palestine, they implemented policies of ethnic discrimination and economic imperialism — the businesses and orchards they bought and built were “Jew only.” They were dispossessing indigenous Arabs — no people< would passively accept that.
I can and will write and document much more if you persist in your hasbara inanity.
Jews did NOT take land by force.
Jews did NOT force Palestinians to sell land.
Jews did nothing illegal.
Nothing Jews did justified murdering them.
Nothing justified murdering the indigenous, anti-Zionist Jews.
That is simply an insane assertion.
No, they simply, in the 1920s, purchased huge swathes form absenteee Arab landlords. The indigenous Palestinians got fucked over by both the wealthy Zionists and greedy fellow Arabs. Later they took much more by force.
Nothing Palestinians did justified ethnically cleansing and dispossessing them.
Correct. Which is why it was so depraved for Zionist Jewish terrorists to assassinate some of them.
No Palestinian would have lost his land if Palestinians had not been murdering innocent Jews.
Palestinians started the violence.
There was NO justification for the violence.
There was NO justification for murdering innocent Jews.
Jews drained the swamps which reduced disease among both Jew & Palestinian. Jews put unused land into production which boosted the economy. This attracted Arabs from the surrounding countries. The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9
I noticed one of the commenters in the article had the triple ((( ))) to signify heroism against Zionism.
Yee haw!
OK, maybe I’ve been a bit harsh on Israel, but their treatment of their neighbors makes my blood boil.
This account is not me. Clearly a hasbara troll is setting up an account to say whatever shit and cause readers to attribute it to me.
I shall report it and have it banned.
Please suggest a way to not be able to duplicate an account ?
By way of deception is their only means of survival…and this is pretty desperate.
Zionists do totally rely on deception, lies, silencing critics and all manner of vicious behavior.
You were quick to nail that one…
way to go…
You mean the ‘neighbors’ who invaded Israel three times in a war of extermination? You mean ‘neighbors’ like Hamas whose goal is to murder every Jew on the planet?
And ISRAEL makes you ‘blood boil’? (sounds like you could be a ‘neighbor’ yourself – you certainly have the mentality, and blood, for it).
Way to go justifying genocide! Sounds like you’d just looooove to see another Holocaust.
Too bad for you it won’t happen and you’ll die bitter and frustrated (oh wait, you’re like that already….).
What is really freaking out the Israelis and their Zionist supporters is that this new wave of attacks is unorganized and can’t be infiltrated and subverted as earlier uprisings were easily countered.
There is no or little concern for Palestinian civilian suffering and death in Israel and the call for and use of summary executions of attackers means the attacks on Israeli civilians, who are mostly military, is a reasonable targeting decision, they are all oppressors, willing or otherwise.
It’s the Israelis who are being oppressed.
Stabbing Israelis is oppression. Running over Israelis is oppression. Blowing up Israelis in buses is oppression. Launching rockets & mortars at Israelis is oppression. Blowing up pizza restaurants & night clubs & hotels is oppression.
You are a hasbara troll who’s been demonstrated to be wrong — with fulsome documentation — about myriad points. Occupation causes all this “oppression” of Israeli Jews. As the mayor of Tel Aviv and other Jews — past and present — have been smart and moral enough to grasp.
No people would passively accept what Palestinians have had to suffer from Zionist Jews. It’s not the least bit surprising — the ANC had members who did heinous things in apartheid South Africa, but their cause was entirely just. So is that of the Palestinians.
Palestinians were oppressing Jews before occupation.
In the 1920’s, Palestinians were shouting “The Jews are our dogs!” & “Islam was spread by the sword.” as they murdered innocent Jews.
Yeah, I and others have been through all this with you before. As you have been repeatedly told, with plenty of documentation, in the 1920s Zionist Jews in Palestine were severely oppressing the indigenous Arabs, and Jabotinsky had made clear that the plan was to forcibly take all of their land.
You are a hasbara troll. You spew the same stupid shit in countless threads, and ignore all the documentation that has repeatedly been presented to you. Fuck off.
In the 1920’s, Jews were NOT murdering Palestinians, but Palestinians were murdering Jews, both Zionist & non-Zionist. Palestinians saw Jews as subhuman. Palestinians called the Jews dogs.
There’s no justification for murdering innocent people.
Good thing there’s no innocent Palestinians, amiright?
Peter once claimed to know Al Sharpton …
One thing that would sort this situation out real fast would be an exchange programme: all Israeli kids spend a year living with Palestinian host parents, while all Palestinian kids spend a year living with Israeli host parents.
If I were God…
There was a movie called “The Other Son” where an Israeli & a Palestinian baby were accidentally switched.
Lots of subhumans on both sides over there huh? And on this site. How bout just admitting that these “people” are murderers on both sides. It disgusts me that “people” on both sides are so ignorant of each other. Glad I’m not Jewish or Palestinian. Holy buckets
In every war there are people on both sides who do bad things. However, that doesn’t mean that the 2 sides are equally bad. The side that started the war is worse. Palestinians started the war.
Palestinians were already there when jews moved in en masse during the 90s.
Jews were already there, too.
In 1900, Jews constituted approximately 4% of the population of Palestine. Then the Zionist project began a heavy immigration of European Jews ,many of whom, upon arrival, implemented polices of overtaking the indigenous Arabs and pushing them out of business, farming and their land.
People buy businesses. There are mergers & acquisitions.
A new administration will take over in January in Washington DC.
Current employees are laid off & new employees are brought in.
None of this justifies murder!
I sat and stared at that drivel for maybe a minute. Mergers and acquisitions. Laid off employees.
I’m just gonna let your words sit there in all their moronic glory without further time and attention.
Yeah, so some Palestinians murder some people, police arrest the murderers with no foul play and for some reason you start grasping at what the bystanders called out – completely irrelevant, I would assume that any manner of harsh language could be heard at the scene of a recent murder, what matters here is that the police acted accordingly. But despite this you go on to cite one case of an extrajudicial killing that has absolutely nothing to do with this case, as if suggesting a trend. You then back that up by sharing a series tweets that attempt to justify this murder of innocent people by citing the wider actions of their government. Trying to twist such a cut and dry case of murder into a narrative that demonizes Israelis, the clear victims in this case, is laughable.
Deputy defense minister, Eli Ben Dahan, a rabbi from the rightwing Jewish Home party who once said Palestinians “are like animals, they aren’t human.” did not only say that. What he said was “Palestinians have to understand they won’t have a state & Israel will rule over them. To me, they are like animals, they aren’t human”
What I learned at the intercept comment section today.
1. Most of the people who support Palestinians cannot say anything to a someone who disagrees with them without calling them names, attacking their character, and spending most of their time spewing venom. To those couple that actually tried to make reasoned points, thank you.
2. Several of the commenters who support the Palestinians evince many of the symptoms of mental illness, specifically paranoid persecution ideation. Actually, I suspect, on the basis of language, phrasing, grammar and usage, that it is all one individual with multiple names.
3. Most people here who support Palestinians are barely-veiled anti-Semites. Several of you don’t hide it at all.Again, to those few who appear to have a principled belief supporting the Palestinians, I feel sorry. You must know what principled Republicans feel like right now.
4. Although it is entertaining to engage with crazy, vile-spewing bigots, it gets old quickly. Apparently this site attracts commenters who have no interest in actual dialogue or respectful debate. Again, not everyone, but the ratio of bigots and haters to thoughtful contributors is above my tolerance.
5. I try to take every experience as a learning endeavour, and will use this thusly. However, since the second kick of the mule offers no learning, I’m afraid I don’t expect to be back here anytime soon.
Adieu, and thanks fo rthe fish.
If Peter was looking for a learning experience, he might want to look into learning about projection, something he seems to do unconsciously.
just a couple questions, peter.
1. Are Palestinians human beings?
2. Have you killed any Palestinians?
3. Are you looking forward to killing Palestinians?
simple, eh? no names. have courage. be honest.
You really think that this describes people supporting the end of Israeli suppression of the Palestinians?
Oh, and by the way, there is a reason why you think only on e individual is involved.
It finally dawned on me that “Peter” actually believes some of this unhinged stuff he spews — that is, he’s not simply trolling to disrupt the conversation.
As a general matter I avoid diagnosing commenters in terms of psychological maladjustment, and few terms are more overused online than “projecting.” But that just is so obviously what’s going on with Peter.
Zionist,whatever we are,you made US that way.
And I want to thank you Peter for helping me learn more about the whole conflict through the lies and pathetic defense you post here, it only makes me fact check more, strengthening my resolve and confirming that Zionism also victimizes those promoting it. Thanks to you yesterday, I researched more into the roots of the terrorist entity of Israel and now even more makes sense. Your neurotic obsession with addressing everyone on here all day yesterday with faulty logic and bad unsupported info wreaks of the kind of desperation that a man who is watching his whole universe crumble before him would have. Perhaps some of us could of been a little more polite but hard to deal with callous human beings who wear their lack of humanity on their sleeve likes its a badge of honor.
That.
Peter likely has not before encountered many individuals so well-versed in the reasons why the Zionist narrative in which he is deeply indoctrinated is so wrong and false. It was an assault on his sensibilities, and so he experienced it as many of us abusively lying, and drove him to fits of anger and hysteria about our “mental illness” and etc.
He saw that I and others can and do document our claims, and left after I announced my intention to eventually post about the multiple Zionist projects to destroy the reputations and livelihoods of Israel critics. He knew by now that if I said I could, I could, and didn’t want to see that.
It’s well that he left. He has a lot to process.
I want to know more about those Zionist projects, if you ever get to it, please post.
Zionism operates better in the dark and I’m sure many on your own team would feel like you did your own cause a disservice by challenging everyone to look even deeper into what Israel is, its history and what it stands for. Not a good thing for a criminal cause that operates better in the dark.
Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.
Now that I entirely agree with because it is almost entirely true. This however, is not accurate:
First, until Jabotinsky’s version of political Zionism prevailed, there were multiple versions and not all of them entailed founding a state, much less ethnically cleansing the indigenous population to establish a Jewish majority. Second, Theodor Herzl and others did not initially insist upon the Jewish “homeland” of Palestine — for example, Uganda was considered.
Pre -WWII, Zionism of the political variety was not popular with most Western Jews who rejected the tribalism and nationalism inherent in that Zionism. After the Holocaust, many did abandon their liberal objections to politicval Zionism.
But the reasons their liberal, universalist Jewish morality had initially rejected political Zionism were, in fact, true. The proto-fascism, racism and sheer degradation of Jewish morality that Israel has caused to much of Jewry happened, and the fact of the Holocaust could not and cannot change that.
No Palestinian would have been killed or displaced if Palestinians had not been murdering innocent Jews.
“Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. ”
And of course the only reason people hated this one group was pure racism …
Jewish Law, law based in superstition, would have played no role what so ever …
I mean, Jewish Law was so modern, what society in their right mind would not embrace it?
Altruism needs to go! We’ll keep quiet when it comes to child rape to protect the family name, too! Saturday’s are a hoot! Isn’t superstition the best!
The majority, sane, society may well have rejected such people for cause.
That the punk-ass Hasbarat, Jonah, thought the Yellow Star was a Nazi invention speaks to the level of propaganda spread by some members within the Jewish community.
Xenophobic behavior has traditionally been met with disdain and even violence. Zionism is the very definition of xenophobia and the world is reacting with BDS.
Should the Jews be exterminated?
Are you claiming that “child rape to protect the family name” is part of Judaism?
“Are you claiming that “child rape to protect the family name” is part of Judaism?”
No. It is the legally required silence regarding the child rapist that i sthe part of Judaism I am referring to.
I’m not sure what constitutes a “successful” marriage. Imagine running a business and your husband was a known child rapist. Could be bad for business, if your customers did not approve of child rape.
There are many modern, decent, Jews who are against some of the old ways. That the old ways are even under discussion is, well, fucked up. The old ways are what decent people reject. The old ways are responsible for historic antisemitism.
Speech is considered to be lashon hara if it says something negative about a person or party, …is NOT seriously intended to correct or improve a negative situation
Reporting a crime is NOT lashon hara because it IS seriously intended to correct or improve a negative situation.
Explain away, hasbarat.
Looks like you nailed it Peter.
Mr. Mackey
You know if Mona and Doug Salzmann call your update an improvement, then it just shows the level of bias in in your update:
“……… Indeed Huldai’s remarks were quickly rejected by the country’s deputy defense minister, Eli Ben Dahan, a rabbi from the rightwing Jewish Home party who once said Palestinians “are like animals, they aren’t human.” He called the mayor’s comments “bizarre” and “delusional,” arguing that the killing of Jewish immigrants in 1929, during Arab riots over British plans to create a national home for the Jews in Palestine, somehow proved that the current violence was not prompted by decades of Israeli military rule…….”
You managed to get the response of the Defense Minister of Israel (who once said…..), but did you bother to get the response of Hamas? I managed to actually read this on line (something you might try sometime). According to the Times Of Israel,
“…….In an official statement on Twitter early on Thursday, Hamas praised the shooting as “heroic” and intimated that more attacks would follow over the month-long Muslim holiday of Ramadan, which started this week……”
I guess it doesn’t really matter what the elected government of Gaza thinks about the murder of civilians. In fact, it is likely a Hamas operation (like the bus bombing you never covered). Great job providing your typical balanced point of view, Mr. Mackey.
“You know if Mona and Doug Salzmann call your update an improvement, then it just shows the level of bias in in your update:”
I’ll bet Robert and Mona are every bit as heartbroken as I am.
I hope it breaks your heart to pieces……take care Doug.
more jarring images
The ones that the zionistas dont want you to see or consider in their genocide and land theft.
Like the jarring images of the Palestinians celebrating in the streets and handing out candy to celebrate the murder of four innocent civilians? I love your selective outrage and your obvious fair and balanced viewpoint. You could be a Faux News anchor.
Yes, both the oppressor and the oppressed behave atrociously — that’s what happens when Group A ethnically cleanses Group B and holds it in subjugation and occupation. You keep ignoring that this is not news and was anticipated.
It is necessary to emphasize the depraved behavior of the oppressor for two reasons: 1. The fact that they are are the oppressor, 2. The Zionist narrative has held sway, almost exclusively, for many decades, and it is crucial to undo it and show that the Palestinians are victims with a righteous cause, and not these mindless savages the Zionist narrative has made them out to be.
There are additional reasons to stress the depraved actions of Israel and Zionists, but those are the main two.
Sorry, I’ve made my quota of responses to paranoic anti-semites who defend terroists. Troll someone else with your idiocy and your hate.
i doubt your conviction of conscience, peter.
you deprive yourself, unless you have demonstrated your proof of conviction. so be proud, peter, and tell us how many Palestinians you have killed.
i say, BIG FAT ZERO.
Without giving any support to the Palestinians who celebrated, one can say that there is no equivalence with the images that barabbas linked to. You lost in that comparison.
Yes, in one case they were casualties of war, collateral damage. In the other they were innocent civilians, targeted by terrorists because they were Jews.
And if you think someone won in those pictures, you’re crazier than Mona.
Collateral damage, sometimes. Collateral damage, my ass, the rest of the time. The comparison was to people celebrating the death of Israelis, which is not the same thing as actually killing them. Very bad attitude, yes, but it is on both sides. Or perhaps you never read the article you are commenting on.
Faux news is Ziocentral.WTF are you talking about?(So is CNN,MSNBC,CBS,NBC,ABC,NPR and every MSM outlet btw)
Genocide?
If Israel were trying to kill all Palestinians, the IDF would not have warned Palestinians before destroying their homes.
It’s Palestinians who are attempting to exterminate the Jews.
It’s not land theft. It’s a land dispute. The settlers believe they are exercising their right of return. They are just taking back their own land that was stolen from them during the Arab conquest of the Middle East in the seventh century. The settlers believe that the Jews have a deed to the land. There’s a Torah that’s over a thousand years old. You don’t have to believe in God, but this ancient document lists the names of the owners of the land (the 12 sons of Jacob [aka Israel]) & the boundaries of the land. In other words, it’s a deed to the land naming the children of Israel as the owners. If you dig in Palestine, you will find ancient synagogues & Jewish ritual baths. Settlers see this as further proof that it’s their land.
Palestinians say that it’s Palestinian land because Palestinians have lived there for centuries.
Keep digging, maybe you’ll find alien corpses and realize it belongs to neither. If you think that because your ancestors were there 400 years ago you can just pop up and take the land back then you’re a lunatic. Perhaps the British, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch empires should take back their old colonies as well?
I, as most of the world, am more interested in what happened recently and/or is happening now. Israel is murdering innocents. Full stop.
And letting someone know you’re going to bomb their house beforehand is no excuse. If only the third reich had given some leaflets prior to executing a few million jews… then it would all have been alright.
Colonel Kemp – IDF avoids civilian casualties
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1MkAGuVyY
The world is with the Palestinian terrorists.
Robert: The update/revision/headline rewrite all make this a better piece.
Agreed, Doug. Robert Mackey appears to respond well to reader critique.
Yup. I’m appreciating and enjoying his contributions more and more. And I made some pretty sharp comments, early on.
Israel’s incremental genocide is ugly
What does that mean? Do you have any evidence that Israel is attempting to wipe out an entire ethnic or racial group? Because if you think they are and it’s the Palestinians, they’re doing the worst job of it in history. During the period of Israel’s existence, the Palestinian population has risen from about 1.3 million in 1948 to about 6 million today. That’s the opposite of genocide, for which I believe there is no word. the Palestinian population is expanding about 10% faster than the Israeli population. Arab Israelis are included in both years’ figures for Israel, and the figures are considered generally accurate but not exact.
“Do you have any evidence that Israel is attempting to wipe out an entire ethnic or racial group?”
Well, medon did say “incremental” . . .
But, for the sake of staying well withing the bounds of widely-accepted definitions, let’s revise it: “Israel’s 68-year brutal and murderous campaign of ethnic cleansing and unceasing development and maintenance of an apartheid state is . . . less than attractive.”
The Palestinians are, far from being wiped out, growing in number faster than the Israelis. And there is no evidence that Israel has any desire to wipe them out, let alone is making any attempt to.
Ethnic cleansing? A sizable part of the population of Israel is Arab, and I assume, though I haven’t researched it, that the vast majority are Palestinian. Conversely, except in guarded settlements, Jews are not allowed to live in the West bank, with few exceptions; Jews are not allowed to live in Gaza, period.
As to maintenance of an apartheid state, that’s -a red-meat cliche that is hard to apply accurately to Israel. Israel doesn’t fit any of the characteristics of apartheid in South Africa, for instance. But, you could make an argument that Israel is attempting to set up separate Jewish and Palestinian states. I think that might generate a discussion with more light and less heat, thereby also curtailing global warming.
I think almost everyone would agree that what is happening in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank is certainly far less than attractive. Unfortunately, that is true of most of the Middle East and much of Africa. Along with swaths of Asia, parts of Europe, a bit of South America, and one or two places in North America. But I’m an optimist.
“But, you could make an argument that Israel is attempting to set up separate Jewish and Palestinian states.”
You could . . . but you couldn’t make an honest argument to that effect is you knew anything about the history of Israeli positions, pronouncements, policies and actions with regard to the two-state solution.
And you certainly couldn’t make an honest claim that Israel is a modern, open democracy as long as it insists on a majority population of — and control by and for — a particular ethnic group.
I meant the 2 state solution as a minor apartheid proposal, but no matter. I actually could make an honest argument that Israel did attempt to set up a two state solution, but failed. Whether it did enough is a long question; also, I would not make that argument today, with current conditions.
I believe Israel is, in general, an open, modern democracy. Certainly the closest thing to one within the area. It is less a pure democracy than the Sweden or the US (yeah, democratic republic, I know), but more than most of the other alleged democracies in Asia, Africa, the Middle East. Other than the stricture of being a Jewish state, there are few objections to classifying it as a legitimate democracy. Representation, voting, civil and criminal legal systems, rights of citizens; if you want to point out other areas I have missed, feel free. This is not one of my substantive areas, and I have, on one or two occasions, been wrong.
Do you have any evidence that Israel is attempting to wipe out an entire ethnic or racial group?
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS.
just because zionistas have been murdering Palestinians since 1929 and classing them as non-human and parsing out these murders over decades, it’s not genocide? Or maybe the people of israel are instead a nation of of serial killers?
Is that you, Mona? Same nasty ad hominems, same unsupported attacks on anyone who doesn’t worship the terrorists, same fact-free flames.
You really should consult with your ideological colleague, commenter Craig Summers. Several times he’s ranted about my purported “duty to disclose” my biography as it relates to Glenn Greenwald. He could fill you in.
Indeed, quite a number of people commenting here already know that background as neither Glenn nor I have made it a secret: Indeed, I’ve given interviews to sites about Glenn. Moreover, individuals like Mike Sulzer have long been semi-regulars in Glenn’s comment space and know that your baseless speculation is just that, and also have long experience of me with which to judge the likelihood that I mean the things you invidiously attribute to me.
Additionally, “barabbas” is one of several commenters whom I have multiple times castigated for their rank antisemitism — the real kind, and not the faux variety Zionists accuse people of.
Finally, several people active at this site — and that includes my friend Glenn Greenwald — are aware of the attack on me and my family launched by depraved Zionists last winter. They heard about it at the time it occurred, or not long thereafter. You see, Zionists online, as well as off, can be extraordinarily vicious and vile people. As Max Blumenthal has put it, Zionism kills Palestinian bodies and Jewish souls.
Link about 1929?
Sorry,as with the Jews in WW2,and now the Palestinians,there isn’t and wasn’t genocide as no one is being wiped out,and the only probable victims of genocide in world history were the neanderthals and the Flores hobbits.
Another false term used by propagandists,sorry.
Oppression,murder and dispossession are powerful enough words,and much more accurate.
“incremental” genocide – that’s a good way to put it.
dont mind if i use it.
the zionistas who insist that Palestinians aren’t human are some depraved monsters who would sooner kill those who dont support them than to face their own barbaric evil on their own and they are attempting to do just that by enlisting Diane Feinstein & hubby to kill the voices of us humans.
Wow, I’ve never seen such a clumsy strawman presented by anyone over the age of 6 before. You really do need to take your meds, Mona. Your personality has split and, whiule the paranoia is doubled, the intelligence is halved. And you didn’t have any to spare in the first place.
Now that’s how to launch a good, juicy ad hominem. Take the facts, add some juicy adjectives, and spit it out into the world.
arent you some sort of genius.
but your character speaks for itself, plainly, and simply.
Demonizing Hamas will mean continued violence
You see it here in comments as well. Zionists who expect a resistance movement to behave like Boy Scouts. Oppressed peoples almost always commit atrocities, both against the oppressor population and members of their own tribe.
This fact of history and human nature does not detract from the justness of an oppressed people’s cause. Their cause must be assessed independently on it’s own merits. Moreover, the burden remains squarely with the oppressor — in this case, with Israel — to end the oppression.
So the oppressed people can do anything, even to the other oppressed people who live in the same building, but disagree with them, and that’s ok. Hamas can kill anyone they like, do anything, and that is justified because of the Jews. We should blame everything, even the atrocities committed by those determined to kill all the Jews, on the Jews. And by the way, the World Jewish Conspiracy has Mona on a List to be killed and are actively attacking her.
Can anyone here make a reasoned argument, based on available evidence, about Israel and the Palestinians and terrorism? Maybe we could have a rational, mutually respectful back and forth? Or am I in the wrong place for that?
I think Mona said what would happen, not that she thought it was justified. What enables you interpretation of Mona’s comment?
Did you read what she wrote?
“Oppressed peoples almost always commit atrocities, both against the oppressor population and members of their own tribe.
This fact of history and human nature does not detract from the justness of an oppressed people’s cause. Their cause must be assessed independently on it’s own merits.”
That sure sounds like a justification to me. But, if not for you, have you read any of her other comments? She has either denied that Hamas did something, or, when proven wrong, justified it by saying they were fighting an oppressor and therefore it was legitimate. Just scan through a few of her comments and you’ll see I’m not building a false interpretation.
Didn’t happen. I never denied that Hamas does anything wrong, nor have I been “proven wrong” in regard to Hamas.
You have been spewing many insults at me, including accusations that I am essentially mentally ill. You have also been hurling myriad of either false or undocumented claims. You chronically strawman and distort the words I actually write.
Therefore, I have dismissed you as a bad faith interlocutor. I do not now seek respectful exchange of views with you because that is not your approach. Rather, I shall correct you when readers may think your fallacies and distortions might hold merit.
When you wish to address what I actually wrote above, I might change my mind.
Here we go!!! Why did it take you so long?
Step 1: call them Zionists
Step 2 (Now): accuse them of “spewing” false information (even when the information is shared for everybody
Step 3: Call them “trolls”
Step 4: Call on TI to ban them
Every time I open these pages it is always the same cycle: irrational arguments from TI supporters and Mona calling somebody a Zionists, then a troll, then asking him/her to be banned!
Again, you can only be a queen here where you are surrounded by fools. So, I do understand why you want to get rid of anybody who proves you wrong with factually based arguments. Enjoy! the site is all yours.
Did you get banned? From a site that prides itself on being open and accessible?
I’m not starting an attack here, I’m just surprised they ban people they don’t like. Or did I misunderstand?
You did not keep your word. However many more accounts you create, Glenn Greenwald has made it clear he does not want an abusive troll such as yourself here. He’s banned more than ten of you. (As he has banned multiple spamming antisemites — you are all a plague.)
Among the least of your depraved actions is that you do not respect the right of a private venue to evict you.
It’s hard to believe a site that so prides itself on openness and a free and unfettered exchange of ideas would ban someone they don’t like. I have found you to be nasty, intellectually dishonest, untruthful, and rather clearly anti-Semitic, but I would never suggest banning you. I might find your behaviour offensive but, as Richard Dawkins said, so what. We all need to be offended now and then.
“Among the least of your depraved actions is that you do not respect the right of a private venue to evict you.”
Maybe you can inform me about the time I was banned from a website as I rarely write anything on the Internet. By the way, what makes me a “troll”? About a “plague”?
What you have proved is your complete lack of dignity. A self described “sophisticated lawyer” who in fact is just a lackey incapable of sustaining the most basic criticism!
I made an exception here to unmask your high degree of ignorance, your anti Semitic mindset concealed behind your artificial support for international laws, and more importantly your lamentable personality of an adult who begs for others to disappear whenever they dismantle your mindless views.
My job is done and I have clearly succeeded. You did exactly what I predicted: “Zionists”, “trolls”, “must be banned”.
“Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity”.
Glad to hear it. Then Glenn won’t have to waste more time going into the administrative tools to ban this latest account.
Why would they ban this account? Who exactly are you? A secretary at the intercept?
Remember, everyone can read what you wrote here. And what you just said is purest bullshit.
You claim to be the target of a Zionist Conspicracy and on Lists to be attacked and that you have, in fact, been attacked. Also you are on the same kind of lists by Gamergaters. At one point, when Isaid “It’s all right, put down the mouse and take your meds.” you responded “I’m sure you’d like that — your confreres would, which is why they did it.” If that doesn’t qualify as mentally ill, I give up.
Respectful exchange? You seem to delight in calling people names and insulting them. You back up almost nothing; I directly respond to you, often quoting your words back.
Give up. As several people have pointed out, you’re a chronic liar, a virulent anti-Semite, and not very bright.
Finally, every time you have ‘corrected’ me, it’s turned out, after a couple more cites, that you admit my facts but claim to have ‘never said’ you disagreed.
This is what I actually wrote. As time permits, I will post about the Zionist projects to target and harm Israel critics and/or BDS supporters. It’s not a conspiracy — they are quite overt about it.
Indeed, they rely on it being well-known that they will harm and seek to destroy those who support the Palestinian cause. It’s part of the attempt to silence.
But I’ll do that post later.
Yes, this is what you said, in response to: As you probably know, you and I are on some of those lists.
Your reply:
“Yes, I do know. I’m retired, and don’t have to fear doxing — I can afford to be “out” with positions that generate grotesque attacks on one’s reputation and livelihood.
Which isn’t to say some Zionists haven’t sought to harm me in the ways that my status leaves available to them. Last winter, they published my adult son’s contact information, as well as that of his neighbors, and publicly promoted that people make calls telling them rancid things about me, such as that I “support pedophiles.”
Now to be clear, this was a group that was both Gamergate as well as Zionist. So, they were “exposing” both my “antisemitism” as well as my…well, somehow they concocted that I think molesting kids is a great hobby.
The Gamergaters are, by far, the most vicious online cohort. But join them with Zionists and it does get especially scary.”
So, what I wrote is exactly true. By your own words, posted here. What’s the problem?
“Mona”, why do you pretend to be a woman?
As far as I know, It is not your responsiblity to correct people in the interest of readers. You seem to have taken upon yourself to police the comment section to combat perceived fallacies and distortions.
IMO, you seem unstable to me.
Ok.
Other have written making the same point. As I documented. I always document, or virtually always offer to do so. You seldom do.
Try to remember, people who care can look and see what I said and what you said. That makes it easy to refute your claim of documentation. Besides, since most of what you say is simply your opinion, what documentation can you provide?
Ok.
Of course those two sentences that Mona wrote are not a justification of the evil things some people with a just cause do.
It works the same way in the other direction. When one criticizes the actions of the Israeli government, it does it mean that one is against the existence of Israel or against its citizens.
When a country is our ally, I expect it to adhere to certain standards, just as I expect the US government to do so Sure, I would like others to do so also, but as for my influence, it goes first to my government, then to our allies.
We will have t disagree about Mona, because neither of us is in her head. I believe that, in everything she wrote to me, and others, she justified every action taken by Hamas; at no point did she ever condemn their actions. I think saying, basically, “Boys will be boys” about simply murdering 2 dozen political opponents has to imply acceptance, if not outright support.
I don’t think Israel is above criticism; there certainly are things that it could do better, if for no other than pragmatic reasons. But criticism that starts with “The Zionist oppressors” is unlikely to be, in a non-FoxNews sense, fair and balanced. Throughout the Middle East, 2 sides are locked in , mortal combat. Shiite/Sunni or Israel/Palestinian, there’s no unblemished white knight to be found. On the scale of evil, however, I think there is a difference.
I believe Israel makes an honest attempt, most of the time, to be an honest actor. I believe Hamas, especially, but also Fatah/PA, do not.When Israel kills civilians, they are targeting , arguably, military sites. And they make some effort to limit collateral damage. Hamas deliberately and wantonly targets civilians. They make no pretense, even, of attacking a legitimate target. Israel bombs an armory, which damages a hospital; Hamas shoots up a civilian restaurant. To me, that evinces a difference worth recognizing. Israel puts accused terrorists on trial, in public, represented by counsel, with the opportunity to present and examine evidence; Hamas executes those it deems guilty, without any trial.
At some point, I believe that there has to be a reckoning, and an acceptance that Israel will continue to exist, as a Jewish state, within secure borders, without constant terror attacks, Until that happens, no government can make peace.
Your lack of reason and common sense is less than what most sane people can tolerate.
Ok.
Another story you will never read in the Intercept:
“…….The armed wing of Palestinian militant group Hamas executed one of the group’s leading commanders after allegations surfaced of gay sex and theft, it has been revealed……….Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades shot Mahmoud Ishtiwi, 34, three times in the chest after they had detained him for a year, The [state operated] New York Times reported on Tuesday…….” my insertion in brackets
The family is not buying the accusations:
“……Ishtiwi’s family, Hamas loyalists, broke rank to condemn his execution, saying that “what happened was part of an internal settling of scores.” They said that he was set up by the militant group and was tortured into making false confessions.,,,,,”
Apparently the charge of “gay sex” is sufficient to execute someone under the rule of Hamas in Gaza.
Peter
Dahoit writes:
“……Putin and Assad are heroes for resisting the Zioworld order of chaos and destruction…….”
In reality, it is impossible to reason with the opposition to Israel where Assad is considered a hero for opposing the Jewish State. Assad is responsible for an incredible amount of death and destruction supported by Russia. Putin and Assad escape any criticism for human rights violations at the Intercept. According to Al-Jazeera:
“……….”Since March 2011, at least 60,000 people lost their lives to torture or to horrible conditions, notably the lack of medication or food, in regime prisons,” said the Observatory’s Rami Abdel Rahman………In a report published in December, HRW [Human Rights Watch] concluded that the Caesar photographs – a photo cache documenting the deaths of more than 28,000 deaths in government custody which was smuggled out of the country – suggested that the government had carried out crimes against humanity……” My insert in brackets
Heroes indeed – to the radical left and the far right. Notice how the Intercept runs an article subverting a US war hero, but allows the death of as many as 60,000 POWs in Syrian prisons to go without any acknowledgement. Priorities……..
Peter again waxes ill-informed:
Well, yes. They only have to worry about Jewish terrorists killing politically “wrong” Jews — with government tolerance, and even complicity. Zionists terrorists have been killing wrong Jews since the era of British Mandate Palestine.
One of these Jewish terrorists, Yigal Amir, assassinated Yitzhak Rabin 20 years ago:
Politically “wrong” Jews are at increasing risk in Israel — from other Jews. Those deemed to be “leftists,” the higher profile ones, are hiring private security.
Indeed, during yesterday’s attack, some Israeli Jews were gleeful on Twitter, expressing satisfaction that “leftists” in Tel Aviv were being killed. (I document my claims on good faith request.)
Former Shin Bet director, Yuval Diskin, is certain the Jewish terrorists his former agency has ignored and coddled are going to start again killing “insufficiently” Zionist Jews in Israel. There is a good deal of popular support for that among Israeli Jews.
There is a distinction between an individual killing someone for their political beliefs, and a government killing someone for their political beliefs. If you can’t see that difference, you have a cognitive problem.
Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK for political reasons. That is different than if the US government, as a matter of policy, killed JFK. A few Israelis have been killed by political opponents, and their killers have been rigorously prosecuted. Hamas kills its political opponents as a matter of policy. This isn’t some theory, it is what Hamas, through its official press office, has said.
This is false:
Israel is a government because it established a government by force, including much Jewish terrorism. So now, it can claim it is government doing the slaughtering and other oppression. But even with that, Jewish terrorists pose an increasing risk to “wrong” Jews in Israel.
That Israel kills and oppresses Palestinians isn’t good enough for increasing numbers of Israeli Jews, who are killing and terrorizing Palestinians, with almost complete impunity.
Hamas announced that they had killed Fatah officials because they opposed Hamas policy in Gaza. That is sort of the definition of killing political opponenets as a matter of policy. Chech their website; the statement is available in English as well as Arabic there. Unless you think the Zionist conspiracy is running Hamas’s website?
What you wrote is false. Nor do you document it.
Moreover, Zionists have absolutely no standing to object to either terrorism or to inter-tribe killing of political opponents. It’s how Israel was founded. (I have documented this many times, and will do so again upon good faith request.)
I’m sorry, what part of on Hamas’s own website is insufficient for you to read? Next, I’m not a Zionist. Third, you can’t arbitrarily refuse to allow people an opinion because they disagree with you. I haven’t called you names or told you that you have no right to speak. And your documentation seems to be on par with your paranoia. You say it and then you believe it.
That entire comment is a slew of fallacies, misdirection and falsehoods, including the poisoning the well fallacy. Additionally, neither I nor other readers are required to provide your documentation. Provide it, or your claims remain unsupported and properly rejected.
Poisoning of the well is a fallacy only where the information presented is intended simply to stigmatize or delegitimize the target, and has no evaluative content toward the subjects statement.
The fact that you frequently claim to be under attack by a vast Zionist Conspiracy and on Lists to be attacked or exterminated is quite germane to your rants about Jews. It demonstrates that you have a pathological belief that appears to rise to the level of paranoia about the very people you so viciously attack.
It seems you can’t list my fallacies or my misdirection or my falsehoods; I figured out the PotW Fallacy on my own. Sometimes knowing what you’re talking about helps.
From Amnesty International’s report:
“It is absolutely appalling that, while Israeli forces were inflicting massive death and destruction upon the people in Gaza, Hamas forces took the opportunity to ruthlessly settle scores, carrying out a series of unlawful killings and other grave abuses,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.
‘Strangling Necks’: Abduction, torture and summary killings of Palestinians by Hamas forces during the 2014 Gaza/Israel conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah.”
Now, is that good enough, or is AI a part of the great Zionist Conspiracy too?
I do not dispute that Amnesty made that report. However, and again, virtually all resistance movements commit summary executions during war. Fatah is deeply unpopular with Gazans, which is why they elected Hamas — Fatah is even more corrupt than Hamas, and to a great extent operates as Israel’s surrogate.
No one, least of all me, has claimed Hamas is a collection of Boy Scouts. They are the military wing of an oppressed people engaged in resistance; those are never Boy Scouts. What Hamas does is characteristic of almost all resistance movements, past and present. Even the French resistance — so celebrated in film and novel — engaged in atrocities and human rights violations.
No, it won’t do. Read the report before you pull that crap. It says:
“Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks”, to target “collaborators”. However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed.
Hamas forces also abducted, tortured or attacked members and supporters of Fatah, their main rival political organization within Gaza, including former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces.
Not a single person has been held accountable for the crimes committed by Hamas forces against Palestinians during the 2014 conflict, indicating that these crimes were either ordered or condoned by the authorities.
“Instead of upholding justice, the Hamas authorities and leadership have continuously encouraged and facilitated these appalling crimes against powerless individuals. Their failure to even condemn the unlawful killings, abduction and torture of perceived suspects leaves them effectively with blood on their hands,” said Philip Luther.”
So, in fact, most had been in custody BEFORE the conflict in which they were supposedly helping Israel. What did they do — psychically transmit the location of their prison cell? Who’s being misleading now and presenting fallacies?
You seem to think I’ve denied the Amnesty report. It’s true some of those summarily executed were already in custody.
Resistance movements do not behave like Boy Scouts. Ever. It’s not surprising, in light of human nature, that in the course of a vicious bombardment and rising destruction and death toll, the resistance movement executed not only those suspected of present collaboration as well as those already in custody.
OK, you have just proved that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that Hamas could do that you wouldn’t blame on Israel. Every time I said anything about this, you denied it. When I finally posted the entire report and you couldn’t deny it, you excused it. Fog of war. Poor put upon Hamas. Liberation fighters.
What about Israel. A little country literally surrounded by enemies who all, until very recently, had it as official policy to destroy the state of Israel and cleanse the area of Jews. Attacked by the militaries of multiple countries on several occasions. Why don’t you justify Israel as you do Hamas? The only explanation I can think of is that you’re a blind anti-Semite who hates Israel because it’s a Jewish state. Perhaps you could explain yourself and correct me on that.
Didn’t happen.
Not quite. My point is that severe oppression always leads to resistance, and resistance movements almost always commit atrocities. This insight is not original with me.
Exactly. You blame all of the atrocities Hamas commits on Israel. Oppression (Israel) -> resistance (Hamas) -> atrocities. If you are the lawyer you claim, you can follow that diagram, right? Cause you saw it in CivPro.
As I told before, your reasoning can only work among those with intellectual deficiency.
International laws, human rights are for everybody including Hamas, the Taliban, the US, Israel…You cannot call it “human nature” if Hamas does it and then you call it war crime when Bush tortures Al Qaeda operatives or suspected operatives who killed thousands of civilians on US soil. Would you call be human nature if the Afghan government starts torturing and executing Taliban fighters already sentenced?
You are confused. Please see this.
You’ve just linked back to this article, which says nothing about Mani’s point.
No. It may be necessary, depending on your browser, to scroll down to the comment highlighted in gray.
You start your argument with the premise that you are dealing with a “lawyer” who understands the law and strongly believes it must be applied to everybody. Your position would work if it was the case. The reality is that The Intercept and many commentators here who are just directly and indirectly part of the site are not supporters of international laws or human rights laws. They are just anti Israel and anti Semite in many cases. They do not care about Palestinians and Israelis killed by Hamas’ war crimes.
UN, AI, and HRW reports are valid only when they criticize Israel.
Their cheap response would be that the US government is not providing military aids to Hamas. That is a completely groundless argument to hide an anti Semite agenda: condemn Israel potential war crimes because it receives military aids from the US, but ignore Hamas war crimes because it does not receive military aids from the US.
I wasn’t aware that Mona claimed to be a lawyer. That’s obviously untrue, just from what she has said here and the way she has said it. No lawyer argues that way. I’m surprised by her high level of heat and invective and her low level of evidence, and her willingness to deny something until proven, then simply dismiss it and not acknowledge her previous denials. That is a tactic that lawyers are taught that, while legal, is never successful. Your client can say “I wasn’t there. And if it’s proved I was there, I din’t kill him. and if it’s proved I did kill him, I was justified,” but shouldn’t. OneL’s know that’s just an embarrassing way of losing every time.
Nah,the Zionists used LHO as fall guy for mob hit on JFK for Zionist nuclear capability with which they blackmail the world with.
Its also a delight to see Netanyahu kiss Putin’s ass when Putin works against him all while demonizing the Obama administration who has made nothing but concessions to him per this interesting article in Haaretz:
“”During the last nine months alone the Russians voted against Israel on a series of crucial votes in the United Nations. In September they voted for the Egyptian resolution in the International Atomic Energy Agency that called for inspection of Israel’s nuclear facilities. In March the Russians voted against Israel in the UN Human Rights Council, supporting a Palestinian resolution for the compiling of a blacklist of companies that do business with the settlements, and in April Russia was one of the countries that supported the Palestinian resolution in UNESCO that erased all trace of the Jewish people’s connection to the Temple Mount.
Israel hasn’t dared to publicly criticize Russia about any of these things. Netanyahu, who enjoys slapping around the French over their support for the UNESCO resolution on the Temple Mount, and publicly slamming the American administration over the Iran issue, seems to have swallowed his tongue when it comes to Russia. He wouldn’t dare deliver a critical speech in the Duma, Russia’s parliament, or send the leaders of the Moscow Jewish community to place anti-Kremlin ads in the papers.”
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.723558
More from the same article:
Thus, for example, the Russians have supplied advanced S300 missile batteries to Iran and plan to sell a lot more weapons to the Islamic republic. The Russians are also fighting in Syria on the same side as Hezbollah, and aren’t being careful enough (at best) or are turning a blind eye (at worst) to the Syrian army’s transfer of weapons it gets from Russia to the Shi’ite terror group.
But not a peep from the political prostitute butcher Netanyahu.
You do know that quite a lot of Jews have been attacked in Russia, that there is a huge wave of anti-Semitism there and that a person placing an anti-Kremlin ad in the paper would be arrested, or assassinated, right? And you do realize you’re celebrating Putin & Assad? Two leaders almost universally condemned for killing tens of thousands of their own people. You’re not really helping your case here guy. Even pro-Palestinian folks think they’re bad guys all around.
Putin and Assad are heroes for resisting the Zioworld order of chaos and destruction.
And the Palestinians who don’t support Assad are most likely Sunni idiots letting themselves be divided and conquered.
And the phenomena of the resurgence of antisemitism:Why????
Once you said “Putin and Assad are heroes” you lost every rational person. They have killed thousands of their own people, mostly to concentrate their own power and to reinforce the respective kleptocracies they rule over. Calling them heroes while you attack an open, democratic country is so ludicrous as to leave me ….. speechless. And trust me, that very seldom happens.
You come from the land of lies,where rationality is hatred,and justice death.
There is your conundrum,how to reject that w o losing your marbles.
I attack Israel because its actions are allowed by my governments collusion and support,and if Israel had to stand on its own two feet and face the music of its deeds,they might not do them,and either would self destruct or become the land envisioned,which in no way shape or form would I oppose.
Zionism is Jewish nationalism,and as with Muslim nationalism,I have no concern,as long as it is contained in Israel,and not here.Self determination rises or falls on its actors,and boy you got some bad ones.
“Putin and Assad are heroes.”
That is such a ridiculous, nonsensical statement, it means you aren’t worth debating. Sorry.
“War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength”
I never did understand how Nazis and KGB ended up on the same side. I mean, after all the people they lost in the Great Patriotic War, how could Russians ever embrace neo-Naziism??? And how can Nazi wannabees, pretending to be right wing, seriously get excited about joining up with the enemy in a Red Dawn scenario? It’s nuts… just nuts.
Fascists seem to get along together and make common cause. Mussolini thought Hitler was stupid, but liked the idea that they could run the continent together. Stalin & Hitler was more a marriage of convenience, but they coexisted until Hitler had that bad idea — you know, let’s invade Russia this winter. And Donald Trump seems very attracted to Putin. Of course, I suspect Mr Putin would have the Donald served for high tea rather quickly.
zionistas are anti-semites as they use Jews and the Jewish faith for cover for their evil ways.
https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/rabbis-speak-out-the-130-year-record-of-religious-jewish-opposition-to-zionism
for more information google
Dr Hajo Meyer
Division within the criminal camp is a delight to see, and this internal division is ever increasing as former Israeli Spy chief Efraim Halevy had the following to say Al Jazeera’s Mehdi Hasan when asked about the relationship between the military occupation and the violence of some Palestinians:
“Unfortunately, yes. I think one has to admit that since we are in control of the West Bank and since there is no political movement to move the situation in the West Bank to somewhere else and to give it a different either status or whatever you like to call it, I think one should expect unfortunately that there will be people who think that they have to rise up and who have to fight against it. That’s why I believe that we always have to offer our enemies alternatives to violence and I think we have not been all that good in doing so.”
Apparently, he is yet another military official who is eager to see Netanyahu go:
“herald the beginning of the countdown to the end of the administration of Mr. Netanyahu. This is going to be the first shot in a series of events which I believe might come about in the next year or two which will bring the transition from the Netanyahu era to a different era.”
“Let me let you into a secret, OK? If you go now to Israel and speak to the commanders in the field of the IDF… Every brigade commander who has been commanding a unit opposite the Gaza strip believes that the best situation for Israel at this point in time is that the Hamas should be there rather than anybody else. They are there to stay for a long period of time… You have to have a political policy and not just a military policy.”
Straight out of the mouth of fellow butcher, you can catch the full article on Al Jazeera or Mondoweiss
People in a democracy, even former government members and military personnel, often disagree, and publicly. In Israel, they don’t have to worry about the new government executing them as collaborators. Maybe that’s why no ex-ministers or ex-military ever disagree with Hamas.
This is false.
You, like most Zionists online, spew a great deal of hasbara talking points, misleading shit, and outright falsehood.
Evidence? Hamas says that it executed a number of PA officials when it took over Gaza. I have heard of no ex-government of military official criticizing Hamas. Now, show some evidence that either of those two statements are untrue.
More evidence, please, than your unsupported belief. Cause, since you have said you are on “lists” of Zionists out to get you, and that you are on “lists’ of Gamergaters who are out to get you, that maybe you don’t have any evidence here either and are just a paranoid nutjob.
Unnecessary. You made the affirmative claim, and have not supported it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
Now. read the whole report from AI and stop lying.
Could you please direct me to where in that report there is documentation that, as you claimed: “Maybe that’s why no ex-ministers or ex-military ever disagree with Hamas.”
Thanks.
I’m sorry, it doesn’t say that. I thought you had sufficient intellectual ability to go from A) ministers who disagree with Hamas are summarily executed, or tortured, ofr indefinitely imprisoned to B) ministers who disagree with Hamas will not publicly speak out. It would take maybe a bright 8 year old to figure out that if, everytime he disagreed with daddy, daddy beat him, then he shouldn’t disagree with daddy. I thought you were above the level of an 8 year old.
That’s right. It doesn’t. And thus you have not demonstrated your false claim to wit: “Maybe that’s why no ex-ministers or ex-military ever disagree with Hamas.”
They only attack Israeli citizens because they are jealous:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/10/18/its-the-occupation-stupid/
Peter beclowns himself:
Sure thing. The mostly toy rockets the Palestinian resistance movement assembles from smuggled parts — because it cannot obtain precision, state-of-the-art weapons such as the huge arsenal it’s oppressor has — just devastated poor Israel!
Yes indeed, Israel was so inconvenienced by those rockets the Times of Israel informs us that Tel Aviv had to be reminded to maintain common courtesy to the help: In Tel Aviv, keep calm and tip the sushi guy
It’s just heart-wrenching, is what it is. The sub-headline reads:
This horror was going on:
Oh the humanity! The oppressor had a slowdown in business, and there was worry folks might forget to tip the sushi guy.
Mona acts stupid; If I threw hand grenades into your back yard every day, but little damage was done because I am bad at making hand grenades, would you just let me continue? Or would you, sometime, fight back?
You can fight back against your neighbor who makes the homemade hand grenades, but if you throw dynamite in my house, we’ll have words.
So if you throw a hand grenade and I throw dynamite, we’re ok? Cause they were launching those rockets from Gaza. Thousands of them. And Hamas was proud of them for doing it, even gave them pensions. And Hamas is the government in Gaza, since they overthrew the PA. So, Israel was justified in throwing dynamite into Gaza, cause they threw the hand grenades. Thanks for agreeing with me.
No it was the PA overthrowing(with US and Zio support) Hamas in the WB,in Gaza they were elected.
Democracy bites eh?
Had I slaughtered your friends and family? Had I stolen 80% of your family and friend’s land? Had I locked up the refugees from this land in an open air prison I was blockading?
And was I whining that you didn’t passively accept all this and it was causing me stress about remembering to tip the sushi guy?
Sorry, I didn’t read your earlier comment below. I didn’t realize that both the Zionists and the Gamergaters were personally attacking you. I wouldn’t want to add to your pain, or your ludicrous paranoia. It’s all right, put down the mouse and take your meds.
Ha! For a second there I thought you were going to be that rare Zionist exhibiting human decency.
Then I kept reading:
I’m sure you’d like that — your confreres would, which is why they did it.
Not gonna happen — mouse stays in hand.
Yes, the Zionist doctors in the hospital put you on those medications to keep you from revealing the truth about their massive plot for world domination. But you were too smart for them — you stopped taking your meds and now can tell EVERYONE how the Jews control the world. And the Gamergaters, too, cause you said they were after you.
The pathetic thing is, some people actually have a reasoned belief about Israel and Zionism and try to express their point of view with facts and reasoned argument. On both sides and even here on the intercepts comment page. And you just spew crazy stuff and probably convince some that your position is just crazy stuff too.
“Sure thing. The mostly toy rockets the Palestinian resistance movement assembles from smuggled parts — because it cannot obtain precision, state-of-the-art weapons such as the huge arsenal it’s oppressor has — just devastated poor Israel!”
The launch of rockets to Israel is classified as a war crime under international laws and condemned by all respected human rights organizations. You know, the same organizations you guys use to bash Israel.
Those “toy” rockets have caused the death of at least 33 Israelis, caused thousands of injuries including permanent disability among children, post traumatic disorder, miscarriage…
Would it be fair if Israel was launching the same kinds of rockets to Gaza residential areas? or you would classified it as a war crime?
You have that weird habit of exposing your high level of stupidity while you clearly believe that others are “beclowning” themselves. America is still a free country, you have the right to openly admit you are an anti Semite while you call me a Zionist for illustrating your incoherent arguments to the rationale world.
Yes, every year in the U.S. thousands of people are injured and even killed from both legal and illegal fireworks. Toy rockets are dangerous — just not nearly the threat of a state-of-the art military.
You give no time span for this unsupported claim of 33 deaths. In the summer of 2014, Israel slaughtered over 2,000 Gazans, more than 500 of them children. (It’s safe to say that during this time Gazans were not taking sushi deliveries.) If you like, I can obtain the death and injury numbers for Gazans for, let’s say, the last ten years.
A wise man once said “Never show up at a gunfight with a knife.” If you keep attacking a person, or a country, they’re going to respond. And usually, they’re going to respond with whatever level of force they can muster. If you’re Hamas and you fire rockets every day into a country with attack helicopters and tank regiments, you have to expect that, eventually, they will get tired of you provoking them and kick your ass. Hamas couldn’t figure this out and the Gazans suffered.
Which is good advice to those who are able to arrange parity of weapons. But in this case, the oppressor blockades the oppressed and they thus have little but toys with which to resist their oppressor.
The oppressor — Israel — has a profound moral duty to end the oppression. But Israel is behaving utterly immorally, it is instead of meeting its duty to its victim slaughtering them and holding them in Bantustans.
Crazy and stupid. Not a good combination. The quote means “Don’t start a fight if you are massively outgunned.” Since you can’t figure out even something as self-evident as that,and instead try to turn it to yet another anti-Semitic rant, I’m forced to agree with others here who’ve known you longer — crazy and stupid.
Tel Aviv is supposed to be a peaceful place for the Israelis to frolic in the surf and make love on the beach.
How dare reality invade such sacrosanct surroundings?
There will be no peace until all are given the same security from violence.And I’m sure these Palestinians knew they would die from their actions,its a given.
One man’s terrorist is often another man’s patriot. Not my fight, except the USG steals my money to give to its favored terrorists, the Israelis.
Red Cross and ICRC have also condemned the barbaric Israeli attacks on ambulances and medical staff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unpxg50ORwQ
and then, of course, there are your classy, pious rabbis
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/israel-paramedics-accused-medical-violations-160419061726256.html
perhaps Peter missed this prior article:
>Israeli Soldiers Executed Two Palestinians in Hebron, Not One, Witnesses Say
Odd this article never made it to the top of the site and then was relegated to ‘see more’ under Mackay’s name. Too much bad press for Israel?
oh wait, its not just Amnesty International that condemned the attack by the IDF on medical workers and ambulances but also the ICRC and the Red Cross…those damn anti-semites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unpxg50ORwQ
Or your classy rabbis:
Israel rabbi to paramedics: ‘Leave Palestinians to die’
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/israel-paramedics-accused-medical-violations-160419061726256.html
But we are supposed to be so appalled when a few of yours die???
This is definitely Steven Spielberg movie worthy war crime and atrocity, per Amnesty International:
“An immediate investigation is needed into mounting evidence that the Israel Defense Forces launched apparently deliberate attacks against hospitals and health professionals in Gaza, which have left six medics dead, said Amnesty International as it released disturbing testimonies from doctors, nurses, and ambulance personnel working in the area.
“The harrowing descriptions by ambulance drivers and other medics of the utterly impossible situation in which they have to work, with bombs and bullets killing or injuring their colleagues as they try to save lives, paint a grim reality of life in Gaza,” said Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International.
“Even more alarming is the mounting evidence that the Israeli army has targeted health facilities or professionals. Such attacks are absolutely prohibited by international law and would amount to war crimes. They only add to the already compelling argument that the situation should be referred to the International Criminal Court.”
Hospitals, doctors and ambulance staff, including those trying to evacuate people injured in Israeli attacks, have come under increased fire since 17 July.
Some medical teams have even been prevented from reaching critical areas altogether, leaving hundreds of injured civilians without access to life-saving help and entire families without assistance in removing the bodies of their loved ones.
Jaber Khalil Abu Rumileh, who supervises ambulance services in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital, told Amnesty International of a shelling attack on the medical facility on 21 July that lasted for half an hour.
“It was 3pm and I was working in the emergency unit. I heard bombing that shook the hospital. It was a shelling that had hit the fourth floor, the pregnancy and caesarean unit. Then there were a few more hits. People were terrified, patients ran out, doctors could not enter to help the injured and remove the dead. Then the third floor was hit and four people were killed. I saw one women come running with the child she just gave birth to. Some women gave birth during the shelling.”
Mohammad Abu Jumiza is partially deaf after suffering head injuries during an attack that took place while he was transferring injured people in his ambulance in Khan Younis on 24 July.
“We were on our way back to Nasser hospital, driving with the lights and sirens on as always. The ambulance was clearly marked as such. The doctor, nurse and I were all wearing medical uniforms. When we reached the Islamic University I heard an explosion right next to us and the front and back windows of the car fell out. As I was turning another missile hit next to us, and then a third one. When the fourth missile hit, I lost control and we crashed, so we ran out of the car and found shelter in a building. Then there were two more missiles fired and some people were injured.”
Dr Bashar Murad, director of Palestinian Red Crescent Society’s (PRCS) emergency and ambulance unit, said that since the conflict started at least two PRCS ambulance workers had been killed, at least 35 had been injured and 17 health vehicles had been left out of service after attacks by the Israeli army.
“Our ambulances are often targeted although they are clearly marked and display all signs that they are ambulances. The army should be able to distinguish from the air that what they targeting are ambulances,” he said.
Ambulance worker Mohammad Al-Abadlah was killed on 25 July. He was in Qarara to help an injured person when he was shot in the hip and chest with gunfire and bled to death. Mohammad was travelling in a visibly marked ambulance and was wearing his medical uniform. Colleagues who approached him to help him were also shot at but were not injured.
A’ed Mustafa Bur’i, another ambulance worker, was burned to death on 25 July in Beit Hanoon after a shell hit the clearly marked vehicle he was travelling in.
Hospitals across the Gaza Strip are also suffering from fuel and power shortages, inadequate water supply, and shortages of essential drugs and medical equipment. Such shortages, already prevalent due to Israel’s seven-year blockade, have been made much worse during the current hostilities.”
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/08/mounting-evidence-deliberate-attacks-gaza-health-workers-israeli-army/
I guess you Zionist trolls would chalk Amnesty International up as a Palestinian Propaganda group right, lol…
Yes, that’s why I quoted them about Hamas’s habit of killing people they don’t like and calling them collaborators. Think, then type.
Saying the other guys are bad too is surely true. But it doesn’t motivate me to give a damn about Israel or anybody in it.
Please. Hamas was executing collaborators during a hideous bombardment. Even Israel admits it aggressively recruits Palestinian collaborators and informers.
If you like, I’d be happy to document the extent of this recruitment and the extortionate means Israel employs to “turn” them. Just ask.
Being an anti Semite and so stupid at the same time is unbelievable!!!
Many of those executed were arrested before the bombardment and were still awaiting trial. So, how do you know they were collaborators?
And what laws or treaties give a government the right to torture prisoners and execute them while they are serving their sentences? Are you saying governments are allowed to ignore human rights, international laws if the State is under attack?
Are you the one who cannot stop reminding everybody that you are a “sophisticated lawyer”? Well, allow me to question the truthfulness of that description as your understanding of basic laws is quite doubtful.
Savage Israelis:
Since the year 2000, the Alternative Information Center (AIC) estimates that about 8000 children have been arrested in contravention of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), to which Israel is a signatory. The mass arrest of Palestinian civilians, especially children, by the Israeli military is a tactic employed as collective punishment of the civilian population for resistance to the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank. This practice has been condemned by the United Nations, and the international community as a violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949).
There is an utter disregard for the welfare of Palestinian children that is even evident in the manner in which they are arrested. Soldiers arrive in the middle of the night and children are woken from their beds, marched outside, and forced to watch as their homes are ransacked. They are often blindfolded and handcuffed and forced to stand or kneel for hours with no explanation and without charges being explained to them (Cook, Hanieh & Kay, 2004). Even if they are not arrested at this point, the trauma to the child and his or her siblings is incalculable and inexcusable.
How many Palestinian children have had bombs strapped on to them and sent to blow up themselves, and some Jew?
The right to self-defense is recognized. Arrested subjects, including children where children are commonly combatants, may be restrained for the safety of the arresting officers.
a response from a lying shill does not constitute evidence, back your claim up. I have been citing the UN, Red Cross, Amnesty International, Israeli leaders, etc.
I think you can google Palestinian teen bomber for yourself. The right of self-defense is recognized in every iteration of the Geneva Conventions, prior Rules of War, the UN Charter, the League of Nations Charter, and the statutes of, as far as I know, every country that has statute law.
So call me more names; seems you can’t help yourself. Maybe you’d like to try lying Kike or deceitful Hebe. But no, you think nobody will know that you’re a raging anti-Semite if you only avoid those words.
Unfortunately for Jews,those slur words with the lying adjective are all self made.
Do you think if historically Jews were considered noble civilized bringers of goodness that these slurs would exist?Its just universal xenophobia?
Its all a black comedy of BS.
Sorry Mona,antisemites are made,not born.
So, the list of slurs of Arabs is self-made as well? Cause there are a whole lot of them. There are slurs for almost every ethnic/racial/social group. I think that says more about those who slur them and less about the group being slurred. You may disagree.
Yes there are slurs against almost every human grouping,but almost all are declining in the modern world,except against Jews and Zionism.
There are no absolutes in any comparisons,and there are many many humanistic and righteous Jews,its too bad they are tarred with the same brush,but why don’t we hear of them standing up to these obvious criminal bastards who have made a mockery of world justice,the Zionists?
Even people like Chomsky say they’ll back HRC in the upcoming election.What?
And yes,Arab and Muslim slurs have increased,but its mostly propaganda from Zion who controls our narrative,as if Arabs and Muslims don’t have a right to self defense from outside force?
Even IsUs is a USzion creation,an UnIslamic mercenary force further blackening Islam.A propaganda horrorshow of Orwellian proportion.
And I know many Jews,I live on LI,and if you don’t believe that they slur with best of the slurrers,you are full of it.They have more condescending names for people than any on earth.
I’m sorry, maybe I am not understanding you, but it sounds to me like you are saying that the Jews deserve to be slurred. Is that what you’re saying?
You reprobates are so desperate to STAGE an act of terrorism to justify your “self-defense”… and yes I say STAGED regardless of these phony videos. You would kill your own to have a reason to start bombing Palestinians. ALL AN ACT…FAKE, FAKE, AND FAKER STILL is the FAKE STATE OF ISRAEL.
@ Peter…
The whole reason it reached MSM tells it all……….FUCKING LIARS.
So, the multiple videos of this attack, the testimony of literally dozens of witnesses, including Arab Israelis, and the capture of two people who claim they killed these people is fake, but that one grainy video that shows an Israeli soldier shooting a captured terrorist is real?
You need to take your meds before you type.
The perfect medication for me is when Israel the PHONY FUCKED UP SHIT HOLE is burned to the ground.
But you’re not an vicious, violent anti-Semite, you just feel for the poor Palestinian people. Yeah.
Fake semites in the form of Israel are a vicious people…
OK, that actually, literally makes no sense whatsoever. You do realize that, by definition, Jews are Semites, right?
Arabs are Semites, Sephardic Jews are Semites but the vast majority of Israelis are Khazar Jews with no Semite blood in them.
Because apparently you have trouble doing research anywhere except Palestinian propaganda site, the definition of semite:
Sem·ite
noun
a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs
So, now say “I was wrong.”
Oh you are wrong, the language of you Ashkenazi Khazar fake Jews is Yiddish and not Hebrew. Learning Hebrew does not make you semitic,
In fact, the word Yiddish comes from the word Yid which means Jew and this is the language of Khazar jews.
“The Khazarian (Turkic) people that call themselves Jews actually speak Yiddish. In fact the word Yiddish means Jewish which comes from the word Yid which means Jew. So Yiddish is not to be confused with Hebrew. In fact the Khazarian a.k.a. Jewish/ Yiddish language originated in the Ashkenazi culture that developed around the 10th century.
The language emerged right out of Rhineland Germany and then spread to Central and Eastern Europe and eventually to other countries. It developed by taking different dialects such as German, Slavic, Aramaic, Romance languages and of course Hebrew. In short it is a Germanic language with Hebrew influence.
Around the 10th century during this period, the Masoretes of Tiberias established the Hebrew language orthography, or niqqud, a system of diacritical vowel points used in the Hebrew alphabet. They also use a system called Cantillation of the Hebrew Scriptures. Cantillation means to chant. This would allow them to change or modify paragraphs and verse divisions that could not be understood easily.
Having to so-call modify the pronunciation, paragraph and verse divisions and Cantillation of the Hebrew Scriptures with a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides is a clear sign that the Jews were not true Israelites. They could not understand the Hebrew scriptures in it’s original form. The true Israelites were never told to use a system called Cantillation or chant anything from the Hebrew Scriptures. The true Israelites never needed vowel points to speak are write the language of Hebrew. Only an outsider would need this to understand how to speak and pronouns the words properly.
Yiddish is the primary spoken language of the Khazarian (Turkic) Ashkenazi Jews. It is written in a loose version of the Hebrew alphabet or just it’s very own version all together. ”
http://www.yahspeople.com/the-yiddish-lie.html
Israel is now in the process of killing the true Semites.
Quoted from a website whose sole purpose is to point out the “fake Jews” that are ruining the possibility of the second coming of the Messiah by taking over Israel from the “True Jews.'”
Now why don’t you quote the section in Mein Kampf that explicates the roots of the Semitic people.
European “white” Jews are not Semites and learning Hebrew doesn’t change that, sorry to tell you lol.
Sorry, I think I prefer the definition from half a dozen dictionaries to your bizarre interpretation based, apparently, entirely on a millenialist Christian website.
Perhaps you could cite 1 standard reference to back up what you say. Maybe Webster’s, Britannica, wikipedia, Columbia, the OED — oh, sorry, they all say you’re wrong.
lol
dna works.
No gold or jewels under the black birds surface eh?
Sorry don’t know what you mean…
Your use of fake fake reminded me of Sidney Greenstreet and the Maltese Falcon,the black bird of immeasurable riches which turned out to be lead.On to Istanbul.
I’m old,sorry.
thanks for explaining….
I haven’t seen that.
The question should be;What makes people do these things in the first place?Hopelessness is the first,and Zionism is the second reason.
A bunch of lying sacks of shite,those who won’t recognize their evil..
Peterargues:
Virtually all resistance movements must resort to this. The French resistance did, and so did the IRA.
Informers and collaborators are real, and are certainly so in Gaza. Indeed, Israel heavily cultivates them.
Hamas executed those individuals during the obscene bombardment in the summer of 2014, when Israel rained chaos, death and destruction on Gaza and normal society, including the courts, wasn’t functioning. Blaming the victims for operating under these circumstances is outrageous.
It was war. During war and occupation emergency justice is what is left to the victims.
Then why is Israel not justified in summary execution of people captured in the act of terrorist attacks.? Certain having just shot and killed innocent people is at least as serious as having been informers. Once you sanction extrajudicial killing because it’s during war, you have to give the other side equal latitude. After all, both Israel was at war, too. Or is emergency justice only fair for non-Jews.
Btw, 2014 was a particularly bad year for alleged collaborators, but not unique. It is the stated policy of Hamas to execute those believed to be aiding the oppressor without trial. And they do regularly, since they took over in Gaza. And during that takeover, they executed PA officials because, according to them, the PA was an accomodationist organization adn so they were aiding Israel.
For fuck’s sake. Israel is not an open air prison under siege by one of the most advanced militaries in the world. Israel is the oppressor bombing the shit out of those it oppresses. Israel has functioning society and courts.
Jesus, get a clue. Do you have any idea what the people of Gaza were suffering during the summer of 2014? Huge swathes of residential neighborhoods reduce to rubble, over 2,000 people slaughtered, some 500 of them children. Thousands more wounded, overwhelming all medical personnel.
God. Really. Get a goddam clue.
Yes, I do know what Gaza was like. It was like a place that fires rockets with explosive warheads into another country, every day, for years, and then, finally, feels the reasonable response to continual military attack.
Stop attacking Israel and Israel will stop fighting back.
And if Gaza is an open-air prison, Hamas is the warden and jailers. There hasn’t been an Israeli occupying there for, how many years?
Israel has a functioning society and a constitution that guarantees rights for all citizens, unlike the West Bank, which by law denies citizenship to Jews.
Get a goddam clue. If you attack someone, they will fight back.
They were probably giving co-ordinates to blow up Haniya or some other Hamas people.
Money corrupts,as does Mossad blackmail.
Here’s a sample of the terrorist nation’s UN violations
Res. 57 (Sep. 18, 1948) – Expresses deep shock at the assassination of the U.N. Mediator in Palestine, Count Folke Bernadotte, by Zionist terrorists.
Res. 89 (Nov. 17, 1950) – Requests that attention be given to the expulsion of “thousands of Palestine Arabs” and calls upon concerned governments to take no further action “involving the transfer of persons across international frontiers or armistice lines”, and notes that Israel announced that it would withdraw to the armistice lines.
Res. 93 (May 18, 1951) – Finds that Israeli airstrikes on Syria on April 5, 1951 constitutes “a violation of the cease-fire”, and decides that Arab civilians expelled from the demilitarized zone by Israel should be allowed to return.
Res. 100 (Oct. 27, 1953) – Notes that Israel had said it would stop work it started in the demilitarized zone on September 2, 1953.
Res. 101 (Nov. 24, 1953) – Finds Israel’s attack on Qibya, Jordan on October 14-15, 1953 to be a violation of the cease-fire and “Expresses the strongest censure of that action”.
Res. 106 (Mar. 29, 1955) – Condemns Israel’s attack on Egyptian forces in the Gaza Strip on February 28, 1955.
Res. 111 (Jan. 19, 1956) – Condemns Israel’s attack on Syria on December 11, 1955 as “a flagrant violation of the cease-fire” and armistice agreement.
Res. 119 (Oct. 31, 1956) – Considers that “a grave situation has been created” by the attack against Egypt by the forces of Britain, France, and Israel.
Res. 171 (Apr. 9, 1962) – Reaffirms resolution 111 and determines that Israel’s attack on Syria on March 16-17, 1962 “constitutes a flagrant violation of that resolution”.
Res. 228 (Nov. 25, 1966) – “Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property resulting from the action” by Israel in the southern Hebron area on November 13, 1966, and “Censures Israel for this large-scale military action in violation of the United Nations Charter” and the armistice agreement between Israel and Jordan.
Res. 237 (Jun. 14, 1967) – Calls on Israel “to ensure the safety, welfare and security of the inhabitants where military operations have taken place” during the war launched by Israel on June 5, 1967 “and to facilitate the return of those inhabitants who have fled the areas since the outbreak of hostilities”.
Res. 242 (Nov. 22, 1967) – Emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war”, emphasizes that member states have a commitment to abide by the U.N. Charter, and calls for the “Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied” during the June 1967 war.
Res. 248 (Mar. 24, 1968) – Observes that the Israeli attack on Jordan “was of a large-scale and carefully planned nature”, “Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property”, “Condemns the military action launched by Israel in flagrant violation of the United Nations Charter and the cease-fire resolutions”, and “Calls upon Israel to desist from” further violations of resolution 237.
Res. 250 (Apr. 27, 1968) – Considers “that the holding of a military parade in Jerusalem will aggravate tensions in the area and have an adverse effect on a peaceful settlement of the problems in the area” and “Calls upon Israel to refrain from holding the military parade in Jerusalem which is contemplated” for May 2, 1968.
Res. 251 (May 2, 1968) – Recalls resolution 250 and “Deeply deplores the holding by Israel of the military parade in Jerusalem” on May 2, 1968 “in disregard of” resolution 250.
Res. 252 (May 21, 1968) – “Deplores the failure of Israel to comply with” General Assembly resolutions 2253 and 2254, considers Israel’s annexation of Jerusalem “invalid”, and calls upon Israel “to rescind all such measures already taken and to desist forthwith from taking any further action which tends to change the status of Jerusalem”.
Res. 256 (Aug. 16, 1968) – Recalls Israel’s “flagrant violation of the United Nations Charter” condemned in resolution 248, observes that further Israeli air attacks on Jordan “were of a large scale and carefully planned nature in violation of resolution 248”, “Deplores the loss of life and heavy damage to property”, and condemns Israel’s attacks.
Res. 259 (Sep. 27, 1968) – Expresses concern for “the safety, welfare and security” of the Palestinians “under military occupation by Israel”, deplores “the delay in the implementation of resolution 237 (1967) because of the conditions still being set by Israel for receiving a Special Representative of the Secretary-General”, and requests Israel to receive the Special Representative and facilitate his work.
Res. 262 (Dec. 31, 1968) – Observes “that the military action by the armed forces of Israel against the civil International Airport of Beirut was premeditated and of a large scale and carefully planned nature”, and condemns Israel for the attack.
Res.265 (Apr. 1, 1969) – Expresses “deep concern that the recent attacks on Jordanian villages and other populated areas were of a pre-planned nature, in violation of resolutions” 248 and 256, “Deplores the loss of civilian life and damage to property”, and “Condemns the recent premeditated air attacks launched by Israel on Jordanian villages and populated areas in flagrant violation of the United Nations Charter and the cease-fire resolutions”.
Res. 267 (Jul. 3, 1969) – Recalls resolution 252 and General Assembly resolutions 2253 and 2254, notes that “since the adoption of the above-mentioned resolutions Israel has taken further measures tending to change the status of the City of Jerusalem”, reaffirms “the established principle that acquisition of territory by military conquest is inadmissible”, “Deplores the failure of Israel to show any regard for the resolutions”, “Censures in the strongest terms all measures taken to change the status of the City of Jerusalem”, “Confirms that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel which purport to alter the status of Jerusalem, including expropriation of land and properties thereon, are invalid and cannot change that status”, and urgently calls on Israel to rescind the measures taken to annex Jerusalem.
Res. 270 (Aug. 26, 1969) – “Condemns the premeditated air attack by Israel on villages in southern Lebanon in violation of its obligations under the Charter and Security Council resolutions”.
Res. 271 (Sep. 15, 1969) – Expresses grief “at the extensive damage caused by arson to the Holy Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem” on August 21, 1969 “under the military occupation of Israel”, reaffirms “the established principle that acquisition of territory by military conquest is inadmissible”, “Determines that the execrable act of desecration and profanation of the Holy Al-Aqsa Mosque emphasizes the immediate necessity of Israel’s desisting from acting in violation” previous resolutions and rescinding measures to annex Jerusalem, calls on Israel “to observe the provisions of the Geneva Conventions and international law governing military occupation”, and condemns Israel’s failure to comply with previous resolutions.
Res. 279 (May 12, 1970) – “Demands the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli armed forces from Lebanese territory.”
Res. 280 (May 19, 1970) – Expresses conviction that “that the Israeli military attack against Lebanon was premeditated and of a large scale and carefully planned in nature”, recalls resolution 279 “demanding the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli armed forces from Lebanese territory”, deplores Israel’s violation of resolutions 262 and 270, “Condemns Israel for its premeditated military action in violation of its obligations under the Charter of the United Nations”, and “Deplores the loss of life and damage to property inflicted as a result” of Israeli violations of Security Council resolutions.
Res. 285 (Sep. 5, 1970) – “Demands the complete and immediate withdrawal of all Israeli armed forces from Lebanese territory.”
The list continues on the next page of the site you’re copy/pasting from. You stopped at 1970, 46 years ago. Not that I think you’re just regurgitating canned propaganda or anything.
Hmmm. UN resolutions dismissed as “canned propaganda.” Alright then.
Yes, because there is a large bloc of nations that will attack Israel without any justification. It’s really really an important job of the UN to tell a sovereign nation not to hold a parade. That’s one of your precious resolutions. Did you read them? Or notice that the commenter didn’t even notice he had forgotten to copy/paste the rest of the list?
Everyone gets the gist from page 1…you’re a criminal nation and you deserve what you got coming and absolutely no tears for your dead, perhaps if more died earlier, you would have been prevented from terrorizing the whole region…
Robert Mackey style “reporting” about Israel:
A) Find anti-Israel activists to whom to attribute the justification of Palestinian terrorism against Israelis.
B) Make a pretense of condemning the murder while justifying the cause.
C) Quickly turn the focus to the supposed misdeeds of Israelis (using as sources unverified posts and tweets by anti-Israel activists ) and make this the focus of the article.
http://blog.camera.org/archives/2013/05/robert_mackey_moral_inversion_1.html
The world’s only tiny little Jewish state, Israel, is less than 1% of the Middle east
There are 20 Arab states, 50 Muslim countries.
And then little tiny Israel, which is a thousand times more liberal, modern, democratic and free than those 20 Arab states.
Yet look how hard the anti-semites of the world work to obsessively try to convince other people that the world’s only Jewish state has no right to be Jewish and has no right to exist.
Look how the world’s anti-semites sit on the Internet, hour after hour, day after day, wasting their miserable, pathetic lives targeting the tiny 1% of the Middle East that is a Jewish-majority state and obsessively trying to promote hate towards it, as much as possible, in every sentence they utter.
The Nazis tried to destroy Jews in the 1930s/1940’s. And now, certain groups promote the destruction of the world’s only Jewish state in the 2000’s.
As soon as there’s an article on Israel, bunches of people like “Sulai” rush in and immediately try to “prove” that the world’s only Jewish state shouldn’t even exist and should be erased or detsroyed.
99% of the Middle East is outside of Israel, and literally every Arab/Muslim country is harshly discriminatory against minorities, women, Jews, Christians, etc. yet there are no British hate/boycott campaigns against any of them.
And then there’s tiny Israel, so small you can barely see it on the map (seriously, go look), and Israel is the clear the LEADER in the ENTIRE REGION in science, medicine, democracy, modern life, Western civilization, etc.
And Israel is the ONLY country in that entire REGION with a successful minority population. Israeli Arabs are doctors, judges, professors, teachers, etc. The minorities in other Middle East countries are STARVING/DEAD.
Yet ONLY ISRAEL is targeted with a SYSTEMATIC, UNHINGED, HATE campaign of relentless bigotry and discrimination.
I, at least, respect the Zionist leaders of yesterday about their honesty.
“We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village.” Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha’aretz, April 4, 1969.
“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
“The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.
Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum.”
“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist… There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. “We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion’s special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas.
“Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972
“Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).
“We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” (Chaim Weizmann, Published in “Judische Rundschau,” No. 4, 1920
These are your heroes speaking and we shed no tears for a nation of criminals.
Nice quote cherry-picking. Quote some of your own leaders of peace, starting with Arafat, who only wanted to help his poor, downtrodden, starving people. Or perhaps to steal $660 million that he squirreled away before his death. According to the Palestinian Authority, of course. The Swiss Banks wouldn’t tell.
Cherry-picking the truth seems to cause consternation for the Hasbarat.
You ignore damning evidence of Jewish crimes. As do most Israelis.
That’s the head Rabbi for the IDF, giving his blessing from god that all others are worthless. Ties in nicely with Jewish Law prohibiting altruism. Perhaps that’s why the IDF murdered 9 people delivering MEDICAL SUPPLIES to Palestine.
You wonder why the world had Jews wearing Yellow Stars 200 years before Hitler dolled them out?
Ask yourself how a decent human being would respond to Jewish crime backed by Jewish Law …
“……You wonder why the world had Jews wearing Yellow Stars 200 years before Hitler dolled them out?……”
The Intercept attracts cockroaches because the Intercept publishes the kind of “food” that a cockroach can easily digest. Since you cannot post anything noteworthy normally, it’s always a good strategy to post something controversial to garner some attention. Only you never will succeed because everyone knows you are just an idiot.
Speaking of cockroaches, here is another classy quote from one of your Jewish Zionist heroes:
When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
Speaking about the “elected” leaders of Gaza: Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, Future News TV, June 15, 2010:
“………”We have liberated Gaza, but have we recognized Israel? Have we given up our lands occupied in 1948? We demand the liberation of the West Bank, and the establishment of a state in the West Bank and Gaza, with Jerusalem as its capital – but without recognizing [Israel]. This is the key – without recognizing the Israeli enemy on a single inch of land…
“Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy. “……..”
As always, a hearty Godspeed to Hamas……..
Imagine the uproar if a gentile priest or minister had issued that statement.
But no one outside of the web sees this stuff,as the MSM keep it on the down low.
However they were “picked,” they are true. And it’s Zionist saying so.
Yes, and I can cherrypick quotes that prove anyone said anything. So can you, if you have nothing better to do than scroll through Palestinian propaganda sites, which is where, coincidentally, that entire list is. Look through some quotes of your heroes of Palestine, like Arafat. Or just look at what they do. Actions speak louder than … oh, never mind. Saying bad things is worse than shooting up a restaurant full of innocent civilians, as long as they are Jews. Got it.
Raphael Eitan’s quote does seem a bit prophetic. But I wonder if you recognize the “woodcutters and waiters” reference — see http://biblehub.com/niv/joshua/9.htm .
So to review:
1) Israel has to hand land that it won defensively, won from countries that were using it specifically to attack Israel, to people who still want to destroy Israel. And if Israel doesn’t do this, Israel is being mean.
2) Palestinians get to reject peace and elect Hamas terrorists as their leaders, yet Israel should be fully blamed for lack of peace, even though the people who surround Israel openly reject peace with Jews/Israel.
3) Jews having a state is apparently ‘racist,’ but Muslims having 50 countries and Arabs having 20 countries is somehow not racist.
4) Jewish nationalism is ‘racist’ yet somehow Palestinian nationalism is great, Arab nationalism is great, and Muslim nationalism is great.
5) There are ‘NO JEWS ALLOWED” Arab-only neighborhoods across the West Bank, Gaza, also in most of that entire region. To pro-BDS people, ‘NO JEWS ALLOWED’ Arab-only neighborhoods are acceptable, yet Jewish neighborhoods in the West Bank (which require army protection so Arabs don’t murder those Jews) are unacceptable.
6) Pro-BDS people place NO responsibility on anyone other than Israel to make peace. The people who surround Israel can try to murder as many Jews as they want, can try to kill as many Israelis as they want, Palestinians get to elect Hamas terrorists as their leaders, ISIS gets to take over Syria, Islamic Jihad get to continue to try to destroy Israel, all of this is OK to pro-BDS people. They just want Israel to commit suicide, ‘for peace.’ Why is this? Because 99% of pro-BDS people just want Israel erased/destroyed. Because BDS is a hate movement, not a peace or justice movement.
You racist, Zionist fucks could care less everyday that Palestinians have their own killed by you and their land confiscated therefore we give a fuck about what your criminal nation has coming to it, hopefully the Palestinians increase their resistance and as you will notice, outside of the Zionist controlled western media, the world cares not for your dead and will not shed a tear for anyone in your criminal nation
Thank you for making my point perfectly. You celebrate and encourage vicious terrorist attacks on civilians, and then complain bitterly when most Americans don’t support your cause. It’s not hard to contrast your call for the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians with the restrained response from Israel, capturing and then trying the terrorists. Crazy, hatemongering rants about the great Zionist conspiracy that controls the world reinforces the reality that most rational people can see: Israel is a democracy under the rule of law, granted an imperfect one, under constant, daily, murderous attack by the forces of violent, repressive, dictatorial regimes out to destroy it.
The Intercept contributes to the dissemination of Zionist conspiracy theories. They wont explicitly say anything, but they insinuate classic tropes. If people don’t believe me, they can read the comment section. The message is received loud and clear by their 5 readers.
You racist Jews have no moral ground upon which to cry foul whatsoever. How many Palestinians have been innocently killed, every week we hear about the abduction of children, the demolition of homes and all the hospitals, schools and un shelters targeted by your terrorists in uniform. Your criminal nation is the number one violator of international law and we’re supposed to shed tears for your dead? And to top it off, the deceitful and slanderous way you attempt to criminalize the victims is lost on no one. You dispossessed a people, murder them with impunity and then cry foul when retribution is sought. You have mastered the victim mentality but are truly the vicious victimizers. Dont fault a people who play the game by your rules, and even this atmosphere is probably welcomed by a gleeful Netanyahu who can point to an enemy that he doesn’t have the decency to admit him and his people created.
Sorry, but I can’t really answer you, I guess. I’m not Jewish.
So, assumption #1 disproved — anyone who doesn’t support Palestinian terrorists is a racist Jew. Actually, of course, support for Palestinians in general in the US is low, and support for these terrorists is nearly zero.
Assumption #2 — Israel is the main killer of Palestinians. Sorry, many times more Palestinians have been killed by other Palestinians then by Israel. Hamas has killed more Palestinians — the kind they don’t agree with — than Israel. And they’re proud of that. As for the abduction of children, look to Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries for that; forced adoptions is the term they use. Demolition of homes? You mean, the ones built without permits, where the residents are given months, often years of notice to vacate. Sorry, that’s more nonsense and you know it. Hospitals, schools, and UN shelters? Like the ones that have been proven to be used to store rockets and munitions? Under the Rules of War, storage or offensive materiel in an otherwise protected site strips that protection and makes it a legitimate target.
There is no international standard by which Israel is the number one violator of international law. Look again to the Saudis, the Syrians, a third of African nations. Even the most zealous anti-Israel can cite no more than a relative handful of alleged violations against Israel.
If you think you should “play the game by those rules,” where civilized standards of conduct are replaced by cowardly terrorists murdering innocent men, women, and children without a shred of legitimacy, then Israel should be free to carpet bomb Gaza. But actually, you expect Israel to politely accept the wanton murder of her citizens at the hands of terrorists thugs from Gaza and the West Bank.
Vicious terror attacks like Gaza 2014? I understand Jews killed Palestinian civilians at a rate of 250-300 to 1.
The 5 or 6 Israelis civilians killed (one of them was delivering food to front line IDF butchers – hardly civilian behavior) caused over 2,000 Palestinians killed.
The Romans were known for reprisal killings on such a scale, too.
Yes, it would be advisable that, before you decide to fire rockets into a country, aimed at civilians, you make sure they will never, ever fight back.
Noam can help you make that argument a good bit better. But most people understand that when you target an enemy that deliberately places troops, munitions, and other materiel of war among the civilian population there will be collateral damage. Perhaps the Palestinians need some help understanding that they are not very good at fighting, and when Israel finally decides enough is enough and fights back, the Palestinians get their asses kicked. They should just stick with teenage suicide bombers and men shooting up restaurants.
I don’t celebrate death.I just acknowledge the hatred engendered by the absolute arrogance and inhumanity in their naked expansion project,exemplified recently by WB annexation crowing,and golan heights mineral exploitation.
This will never end until Israel gives up its dreams of hegemony,and acts its weight,or dementia will follow,of which many telltale signs are showing.
I’m with you on that…anytime any day.
But I also believe this is a false flag to justify Leiberman’s spew. What a desperate bunch of SFB.
I also comes on the heels of this…
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Suggestion for a new headline:
Israeli Police Show Restraint After Deadly Palestinian Terror Attack on Civilians
Seems to sum up the story much better.
You’re welcome.
refraining from executing captured criminals is not “showing restraint” but rather simply doing their job. the fact that psychos on site were urging the summary execution of the captured evildoers remains newsworthy in light of the azaria debacle.
So the real story isn’t the murderous rampage of the terrorists, the important story is one person calling for their summary execution? I’m sorry, but that’s stupid. And if you are going to excoriate the police for misbehaviour, then you should equally praise them for good behaviour. Tell me how you’d write the story if Hamas police summarily executed 25 ‘collaborators’ without any trial, because the intercept never bothered to.
Israeli police have learned that there are too many cameras that record summary executions so they have had to back off. I understand they are looking at strobe lights to mess with cameras, giving the IDF time to act like the storm-troopers they are.
So if they act badly, they are badly. If they behave perfectly, it’s because they’re afraid of publicity. Exactly what could they do to satisfy you here? I’m waiting.
And I understand that space aliens, summoned by His Pastafarian Highness, are massing above Israel to temporarily blind all security personnel so that Palestinian terrorists can murder more innocent civilians. And I have as much evidence as you do.
You are a really piss-poor Hasbarat.
The IDF butchers women and children. The IDF is virtually 100% Jewish.
you do the math …
But back to Jews hanging British RAF men in 1946? What’s your hasbarat training provide when asked about Jewish murder of the same soldiers who liberated camps less than one year prior?
What of Zionist collaboration with Nazis against the British in 1940-41?
It’s funny, I haven’t called you names ; maybe you feel that an ad hominem is your only way to respond. Or maybe you’re just an asshole. Either way. it’s kind of hard to make a case for the evil Israelis murdering poor defenseless Palestinians, when the story here is about murderous Palestinians killing defenseless Jews. Or do you not see any irony there.
As for what happened in 1946, I’d be happy to debate you, as soon as you explain why an alleged crime from 70 years ago, against British soldiers, justifies Palestinians killing Israeli civilians yesterday. Or is it because they are all just murderous Jews wgho deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth?
Before you all get in a lather about possible, proposed Israeli executions of convicted terrorists, perhaps we could mention the 27 “collaborators” who were executed by the authorities in Gaza in 2014 (latest year for statistics). According to one well-known Israeli propaganda organization, of the 27, 2 occurred after trial and 25 were extrajudicial. That organization? Amnesty Int. Don’t remember reading the huge series of reports in the intercept about those extrajudicial killings.
“……..Don’t remember reading the huge series of reports in the intercept about those extrajudicial killings…….”
And you won’t. The Intercept picks and chooses what they leave out of a story which might detract from the desired politically-motivated emotional response of the reader. It’s a license to lie by omission. Pathetically, they call this “fearless, adversarial journalism”. A long time below the line poster at the Intercept said this about adversarial journalism which I think sums up the Intercept quite well (Jose; March 21, 2016):
“……If you’re only adversarial when you’re defending your own interests, that’s not really being adversarial on principle…..”
Principle takes a distant back seat to advocating for a political outcome no matter how one-sided you have to be to attain a desired political result.
Exactly. The author is exorcised by the suggestion that Israel might enact the death penalty for convicted terrorists, but fails to mention that Israel is the only country in the Middle East which currently has no death penalty. (Technically, Israel may execute a person for crimes against humanity.) Since the beginning of the state of Israel, nearly 70 years ago, there have been 2 executions: one was an Israeli Jew, and the other was Adolf Eichmann. Compare that to the Palestinians, either the PA or Hamas; Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain. Iran., Iraq — every other country in the region has, and most use, the death penalty. But at the intercept, only Israel may be criticized.
Police execution is wrong. They should give him his Miranda rights.
Compare a “story” like this – someone is urged to kill a terrorist by an anonymous onlooker but doesn’t do it – to the big breaking news about the censored UN report: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-saudi-un-idUSKCN0YT2UT I mean seriously, the premise there is that complaining about the Saudis killing 510 kids will get you blacklisted by the entire Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, over 50 countries. True, the UN apparently gave in to US/Israeli threats about Gaza before that… nonetheless, it would appear that murder has a much better lobby than this guy all around, and not all of it Israeli.
Anti Semitism 101:
1) Terrorists targeted and killed four civilians. It is obvious they intended to kill more.
2) The state through the police followed proper procedures according to local laws and Human Rights Laws
3) Hamas a government entity, with access to deadly weapons praised the “Heroic Attack”
The Intercept does not even inquire about who those dead civilians were. The only article about the tragedy blames civilian Jews for demanding the murderers to be executed. Maybe it is shocking for the author that civilian Jews demand that murderers be executed. This is such a rare phenomenon. Only Jews do it. Americans, French, Pakistanis, Nigerians….civilians never demand that terrorist murderers who killed civilians on the streets or schools be executed!
Typical anti Semitism: find as much dirt as possible about the Jews even when they get killed.
Mackey, how frustrating is it to work the Israel beat and literally have no dirt to throw on the Israeli people? You literally wrote an article about a random bystander who demanded that the police kill a guy who had just murdered 4 innocent people. How is that a story? People say all types of things in the heat of the moment, especially civilians. Why is that news? The fact that he wasn’t killed reflects quite well on the Israeli authorities. That’s why countries have well-trained, professional law enforcement. They are there to protect people from their basest impulses. What do you think the people of Charleston would have said about Dylan Roof if he was apprehended near the church? I’m sure there would have been some folks who would have urged the police to kill him, too. I wouldn’t blame them for that. Yet somehow I doubt if you were on assignment in Charleston and heard someone urging the cops to kill Dylan Roof, I doubt you would have reported that.
What the fuck is your deal, man? This is a very strange thing to report on. The terrorists weren’t killed and you still found fault with Israel somehow. The next time a terrorist murders 4 people in cold blood, Israel will do all it can to make sure none of their citizens say anything vengeful. You should really compare and contrast the quality of The Intercept’s journalism on Israel and every other topic. The contrast is truly jarring.
If Dylan Roof had been a member of an oppressed group and his victims part of the oppressor population, your analogy might make some sense.
What happened in Tel Aviv is what happens in Paris, Istanbul. Lahore, Brussels, etc.. It’s Islamic Supremacy in action. Nothing more
They weren’t part of an oppressed group. They were in the arab islamic class that has vastly more population, more land, and more money in the middle east. Part of the arab islamic hegemony went into Israel and killed 4 people, likely undeserving of that death, devastating hundreds, injuring several more. Simply for existing in that spot. From the stand-point of the Israelis, he was an agent of the oppressors. In any case, regardless of class, people will call for the death of civilian shooters.
Your slightly hidden accusation of anti-semitism is disgraceful. Well, maybe it was hidden only from yourself.l
Read Mackey’s twitter feed. He’s reporting on this story because he wants to “highlight the corrosive” effect the occupation has one Israeli society. He thinks this story is important because it’s emblematic of a wider trend or something. Absolute nonsense. Yet the only corrosion he can find is an onlooker yelling something at the cops. The fact the terrorist was captured alive and recieved world class healthcare from Israeli doctors illustrates how evolved Israeli society truly is. He went on a fishing expedition for dirt on Israelis and he found nothing.
“He thinks this story is important because it’s emblematic of a wider trend or something… He went on a fishing expedition for dirt on Israelis and he found nothing.”
proof that the occupation is corrosive to israeli society comes in the forms of (a) lieberman and netanyahu holding elected positions at all, (b) the extensive support for azaria’s shooting of the captured and incapacitated guy, and (c) the continued existence and expansion of the settlements.
OK, I understand. You cannot your justify your comment on this article from the material in this article.
“You literally wrote an article about a random bystander who demanded that the police kill a guy who had just murdered 4 innocent people. How is that a story?”
because azaria actually *did* shoot a similar guy, and the prime minister is in favor of not punishing him. i think this story is supposed to demonstrate that regular israeli people want law enforcement to kill rather than detain, which seems newsworthy to me.
Yes, in one case, one soldier shot one person in custody, and is now being tried. In this case, tw terrorists killed four random, innocent people, tried to kill the responding police, were taken itno custody, given needed medical treatment, and now will be tried for their crime.
This story is supposed to demonize Israel and the Israeli people. If you can’t figure that out, read some more of the author’s articles.
You realize the defense lawyer is claiming that his client should not be charged based on the countless previous cases of summary execution by IDF that have NOT been prosecuted.
It’s those damn video recordings …
You realize the job of a defense lawyer is to defend his client, and not every statement he makes to the media is necessarily true, right? Lee Bailey said publicly that OJ was innocent and I know Lee and he’s not that stupid.
And where are all those other video recordings? Oh, right, they don’t exist. So, probably won’t be useful for evidence.
Prophetic Jews warned of this consequence. Several months after the Six Day War they signed an ad in Haaretz which read*:
This is so obvious to casual students of history and human nature, it takes indoctrination in faith-based, irrational ideology to deny or ignore it. Zionism and the vast majority of its adherents manifest this dynamic.
*Translated from Hebrew by Noam Sheizaf.
Mr. Mackey
Once again, the Intercept picks and chooses what to report for political reasons. Once again, you did not report the murder of the four Israelis as “terrorism”.
“……..In the first of three clips showing the suspect lying on the ground after he was shot, an onlooker can be heard urging police officers to execute him with a bullet to the head……The civilian’s demand for the immediate, extrajudicial killing of the suspected gunman by officers echoes a similar call heard on another Tel Aviv street in March, when a police volunteer shot a Palestinian suspected of killing an American tourist, after he had already been wounded and immobilized……..in the occupied West Bank city of Hebron, an Israeli army medic, Elor Azaria, was caught on video executing an immobilized Palestinian suspect, Abed al-Fattah al-Sharif, killing him with a shot to the head as he lay on the ground……’
While this is fair to report, the Intercept (Mackey) chose to leave out the recent (April, 2016) attempted murder by a young suicide bomber of Israeli passengers riding a bus. The bomber was supported by Hamas. Ironically, the bomber was the only one killed, but 20 passengers were injured. In addition, as reported by the Jerusalem Post, but never by this publication:
“……A mass demonstration took place on Wednesday as hundreds marched to the yard near the house of the family of the Palestinian teenager suspected of carrying out Monday’s Jerusalem bus bombing in a show of support for the young martyr……”
Hundreds turned out in a show of support for a terrorist that targeted civilians for murder. This is simply cowardly journalism which tries to create an image of murderous Israelis (Jews) calling for the extrajudicial killing of Palestinian terrorists while leaving out for political reasons mass demonstrations by Palestinians celebrating the attempted murder of Israeli civilians (terrorism).
I find it hilarious that Greenwald complained bitterly about the advocacy journalism of the Brazil media while the Intercept publishes material which makes Globo look fair and balanced. This is just horrendous “journalism”, Mr Mackey – and you are well aware of it.
It would have been far better if those Palestinian fighters had been able to kill 4 or 40 or 400 people in the headquarters of the Israel Defense Forces across the street from the restaurant, but it is, presumably, well fortified. As it is, they might have killed one or more Israelis who were innocent of the oppression of the Palestinian people, which would be a regrettable case of collateral damage.
I assume that when Israel destroys a weapons storehouse deliberately located next to a hospital that you will also call those civilians killed “a regrettable case of collateral damage.” Oh, sorry, not quite parallel — Israel didn’t deliberately target civilians like your terrorist heroes.
As I ponder it, I really do think the bigger point is the last one, in Ali Abunimah’s tweet:
Yes, ignored so effectively as to be largely excluded from Western consciousness. But that’s not going to change as long as the entire Western Establishment is captive to the Zionist propaganda machine.
BDS!
Wow. An antisemitic spin by Mackay. Really, the Jews are the murderers even when being shot. Even when the suspect is apprehended. Can you imagine a member of any other ethnic group acting thus? Calling for blood? That is the point. The Jews are evil.
Good news is Mackay can no longer spew at NYT. And who reads this? It’s an echo chamber publication. I just followed a link on twitter because I was curious how Mackay would spin.
The antisemitic Mackay’s spin begins. So an emotional individual called for vengence. The really big news is you can no longer spew your antisemitism at the NYT. What is your readership here? I just followed a link on twitter.
Anyway, folks, the real story here is Lieberman’s death penalty proposal. Israel doesn’t have a death penalty that applies in its civil courts and it hasn’t carried out a judicial execution since Eichmann (1962).
Uncle Avigdor is proposing the ultimate element of an apartheid state: “We execute them, not us.”
So, by your reasoning, the Palestinian state, or states, are apartheid states, because they execute the Palestinians they disagree with? If you don’t like the death penalty, why do you not attack all the Arab countries, which currently have the death penalty? Why attack Israel because it might, someday, for one heinous crime, have a death penalty? As you said, Israel has only ever executed 2 people: one was a Jewish Israeli and the other was Eichmann.
Not all Israeli Jews were horrified. A Jewish women who reads Hebrew is RTing Israeli Jews tweeting their sheer glee and delight at this terrorist attack, tweeting such sentiments as: “They deserve it maniac leftists I hope they all die.”
Zionists have a long history of murdering politically “wrong” fellow Jews. The left is under severe attack in Israel and some of the more outspoken have hired their own security. It’s only a matter of time before the “bad Jews” are being slaughtered again by other Jews.
“The left is under severe attack in Israel . . .”
Oh, yes, and not only in Israel. The craziest of the Zionist extremists maintain lists of, e.g., “anti-Semites” and “self-hating Jews.” As you probably know, you and I are on some of those lists.
The “only liberal democracy in the Middle East” and its agents around the world have ways . . .
Yes, I do know. I’m retired, and don’t have to fear doxing — I can afford to be “out” with positions that generate grotesque attacks on one’s reputation and livelihood.
Which isn’t to say some Zionists haven’t sought to harm me in the ways that my status leaves available to them. Last winter, they published my adult son’s contact information, as well as that of his neighbors, and publicly promoted that people make calls telling them rancid things about me, such as that I “support pedophiles.”
Now to be clear, this was a group that was both Gamergate as well as Zionist. So, they were “exposing” both my “antisemitism” as well as my…well, somehow they concocted that I think molesting kids is a great hobby.
The Gamergaters are, by far, the most vicious online cohort. But join them with Zionists and it does get especially scary.
Still, I’m not a student who hopes to go to an elite grad school, or work in business or academia. I don’t have clients googling me. So, if Google yields scores of hits matching my name to “antisemite,” I don’t have much cause to worry. Thus, I can’t claim to be especially brave.
Good points. Also a reminder that those of us who don’t have as much to fear have a special responsibility to speak out — as some others literally have livelihoods at stake.
Seriously?
Some Palestinian men mow down civilians eating out and Mackey decides to report about, well about what? Oh, I get it. He’s reporting about bloodthirsty Jews. You know, those evil Jews in Israel who want to kill terrorists. Why would Mackey report about, you know, the bloodthirsty Palestinian terrorists? After all, they’re, you know, not evil apparently. They don’t merit much attention, and of course, neither do their Jewish civilian victims.
Oh, and the part at the end where “pro-Palestinian activists” supposedly condemn these Palestinian terrorists’ violence demonstrates to a greater degree how blind bias leads to a complete lack of comprehension of this conflict by Mackey. The Intercept deserves him and Mackey deserves The Intercept.
Shame on you both.
Savages execute 4 innocent people and maim many others, this inbred blogger retard laments about how the savages are treated.
I think this needs to be rewritten and the headline definitely needs to be ditched.
It is not particularly newsworthy for horrified witnesses to terrorist attacks to want the perpetrators killed without bothering with procedural niceties. This is particularly true in the immediate aftermath of such atrocities and examples can be seen routinely in, e.g., the United States.
The reference to the Azaria incident is relevant only to the extent that it has bearing on today’s events, or to . . .
Lieberman’s Apartheid Capital Punishment Proposal™, which is the real story here!
Talk about burying the lede . . .
I can imagine witnesses or others suggesting that someone deserves the death penalty, but literally standing by and encouraging outright execution? If that’s true in the States, then Israel isn’t the only country that has lost its bearings.
I don’t claim some higher ground, but I would never want to see an execution like this. Why? First because we’re supposed to be the “good guys”, which means we follow due process. Otherwise we’re no better than them – our claim to exceptionalism isn’t just a secret lie, it’s an obvious lie. Second, the families of those slain or the actual injured here want answers. If they execute someone, those answers are lost with the executed. Finally, it’s just plain wrong and sick.
What has become of us? There was a time, in my lifetime, we were better than this.
It’s more muted, and less common. Our law enforcement generally won’t behave like, but there is a reason Black Lives Matter exists.
“. . . but literally standing by and encouraging outright execution?”
Sure. People who witness attacks like this are moved by fear and outrage. In most Western nations, they probably don’t expect the authorities to actually kill the suspects (and, usually, they don’t), but there’s nothing unusual about the emotional reaction.
Even beyond this, I’m sure I could find dozens of incidents of witnesses/bystanders attacking and beating suspects themselves, in the US and other “enlightened” nations, with out even trying hard.
Doug, I did consider your argument, and it isn’t without merit. That said, Israeli Jews have been publicly demonstrating, and using social media, to support extrajudicial killings.
Don’t you think the demands today are properly noted in that context?
“Don’t you think the demands today are properly noted in that context?”
Yes, properly noted. Headlined and the focus of the lede, when we have Lieberman’s proposal to consider? Not so much.
U guys are severely ill. Terrorists just went into cafe and shot random people and u think its important that someone said kill the terrorist. U don’t think anyone in france or Brussels said same thing? I’ve heard some americans said kill Osama bin laden. What sickos. Why don’t you talk about how Hamas (the elected leaders of palestinians in gaza) praised the attacks. Or how a 4 year old girl just died. Sorry u pathetic animals were born so dumb.