Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump reacted to the Orlando shooting with evidence that they can agree on at least one thing: bombing people. Both candidates called for an escalation of the U.S.-led bombing campaign against ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
“We have generals that feel we can win this thing so fast and so strong, but we have to be furious for a short period of time, and we’re not doing it!” Trump complained on Fox & Friends Monday morning.
“Are you saying hit Raqqa right now?” asked host Brian Kilmeade. “We’re going to have to start thinking about something,” Trump replied.
Along the same lines, Clinton suggested during her post-Orlando speech Monday afternoon that “We should keep the pressure on ramping up the air campaign.”
Both candidates neglected to consider that no operational links between ISIS and the alleged Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, have been discovered. While Mateen pledged allegiance to ISIS shortly before the attacks, he had reportedly previously claimed connections to two groups that oppose ISIS: the Lebanese militia group Hezbollah and al Qaeda.
And neither explained how escalating bombardments in Iraq and Syria would do anything to stop self-radicalized and/or unhinged attackers in the United States.
If ISIS is not doing anything to help coordinate or assist these sorts of mass killings, then destroying it — even if that were possible — wouldn’t make any difference.
And even if you blame ISIS for “inspiring” such attacks, the fact remains that there are any number of extremist ideologies that a deranged would-be killer could derive inspiration from — and you cannot bomb them all.
Clinton’s and Trump’s gusto about doubling down on what the United States is already doing — the U.S.-led coalition has conducted over 12,000 airstrikes against ISIS and other militant groups in Iraq and Syria — was echoed by sitting lawmakers.
“We’ve got to be willing to take the battle to ISIS. Right now, they’re taking the battle to us, and yesterday it was in Orlando,” Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reviving the Bush-era slogan: “Fight them there, so we don’t have to fight them here.”
“The reality is, what we need to do is we need to take the fight to the terrorists on their doorstep. Whether it’s ISIS, al Qaeda, Boko Haram, we need to be there,” Rep. Bill Hurd, R-Texas, told CNBC on Monday morning.
But the record shows that, if anything, U.S. military engagements in the Middle East drive recruits to extremist organizations, rather than away. Even Donald Rumsfeld’s Pentagon worried about that.
Top photo: Iraqi forces and U.S. warplanes fighting to take ISIS-held Fallujah on June 13.
For at least the last 14 years, every “mass shooting” in the USA has involved the shooter or shooters taking “antidepressants”. There is no other common factor. The Health Canada warning on the SSRI and SNRI “antidepressants” is … Advisory
2004-31
June 3, 2004
For immediate release
Health Canada advises Canadians of stronger warnings
for SSRIs and other newer anti-depressants
These new warnings indicate that patients of all ages
taking these drugs may experience behavioural and/or
emotional changes that may put them at increased risk
of self-harm or harm to others.
Patients taking drugs of this type may feel worse
instead of better. They may experience unusual
feelings of agitation, hostility or anxiety, or have
impulsive or disturbing thoughts that could involve
self-harm or harm to others.
It is very important that patients do NOT stop taking
their medication without first consulting with their
doctor due to the labelled risk of “discontinuation
symptoms” with all of these drugs.
Doctors are advised to carefully monitor patients of
all ages for emotional or behavioural changes that may
indicate potential for harm, including suicidal
thoughts and the onset or worsening of agitation-type
adverse events.
Health Canada conducted an analysis of all adverse
reactions experienced by patients taking SSRIs. The
Department felt it important to let health
professionals and consumers know of the possible risks
associated with the drugs.
This advisory applies to the following
anti-depressants:
Bupropion (Wellbutrin® and Zyban®)
Citalopram (Celexa®)
Fluoxetine (Prozac®)
Fluvoxamine (Luvox®)
Mirtazapine (Remeron®)
Paroxetine (Paxil®)
Sertraline (Zoloft®)
Venlaflaxine (Effexor®) … and if you want to read about some more stories, there’s over 5,000 at SSRIStories.org (Archives) .
And these two swine will undoubtedly be our glorious choice in the 2016 general election. Funny how the two parties speak with one mouth.
My name is Anthony Edward Lewis. I’m one of the first “Bernie Or Bust” true Bernie believers. I have pledged that I will ONLY vote for Bernie Sanders. It doesn’t matter to me if Bernie is with the “Bud Lite” Party. I will write his name in, if his name is not already on the ballot.
I have sworn that I will gladly write his name in my own blood on the ballot, if it comes down to that. I believe that my vote counts. But, this is the only WAY in which it counts. A vote only counts when cast to express an AFFIRMATIVE purpose. Currently, it’s not possible (nor is it preferable), to vote AGAINST a party or politician. If I’m not voting my conscience, I’m wasting my vote.
I hear it suggested soo often that if you’re not voting for a candidate that holds the nomination for a major political party, that you are then “throwing your vote away”. I REFUSE to accept that. I choose instead to believe that at the end of this election season there is going to be a YUGE number of misguided fellow Americans throwing their votes away because THEY refuse to believe that they have any other choice. I’m determined not to fall into that Trump.,
Its because of this kind of backwards thinking that we are in such a screwed up situation now. Fear of the truth is what fuels that kind of defective, group-think. I’m convinced that it’s because of fear and ignorance we are continuing the process of compromising everything.
I believe that I will always have the right to vote for Bernie Sanders. Even if I’m the last and only man on Earth that votes for him, that is EXACTLY what I’m going to do. And, I believe that this is EXACTLY the same sort of fighting spirit I have in common with everyone else in this country that has brand him or herself as a “Bernie Believers”. True patriotism has a new name and this is it.
No other candidate has the honor, integrity, or moral character that Bernie Sanders has. I refuse to compromise anymore. Nobody has the right to tell me I’m wrong for not believing the numerous lies that soo many others seem so quick and ready to accept. One of which by the way is, that your vote only counts if you can pick the winner.
People have gotten it all twisted. And, the media is no help with this. Your vote counts no matter who wins. Being able to predict the outcome in advance is NOT the point! That has got to be the most backwards thinking, small minded, short sighted, moraly bankrupt way to view things. I have nothing but contempt in my heart for those that fear what is supposed to make us all stronger.
Being able to live with yourself after you step out of the voting booth is what matters. Being a part of this historic, non-violent, grassroots radical REVOLUTION is what matters. Insisting and demanding that the system change in order to serve more people better is supposed to be what really matters. It’s as important as (and, is connected with), the task of voting itself. Taking ownership of my rights, duty, role, responsibility and opportunity to engage fully in this political process is what matters.
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This completely ignores the double game the US plays with terrorists, arming, protecting and encouraging many groups and bombing others so as to appear justified. The crimes against humanity in Syria are in large part the US and its so-called friends’ doing. ISIS now remains a flimsy excuse to do what they’ve been doing all along: attacking non-aligned governments, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran…
WHY ISIS EXISTS: THE DOUBLE GAME
http://intpolicydigest.org/2015/11/29/why-isis-exists-the-double-game/
I don’t see how the quotes from Trump you included support the title of your article. He said we have to be “furious for a short period of time” but it doesn’t say that he called for bombing specifically.
I think I just voted for Kermit or Miss Piggy!
It is ALWAYS good to bomb ISIS, it being nothing but a terror group.
IsUS is a terrorist mercenary tool of USzion to destabilize and collapse the Syrian govt.
The HB knows it provenance and reason for being,so her response will be as Obombas,a charade,while the new POTUS Trump will take them out,and all he really has to do is stop US and our erstwhile buddies funding it.Good riddance.
There is a problem with this from the serial interventionists?
Even if ISIS was directly responsible for the Orlando attacks, I don’t think bombing them is an effective strategy.
There was a story on the internet a couple years ago that said that Osama bin Laden’s dad or some other close family member was killed in a plane crash and that 2 investigations were preformed and nothing was ever made public. This man was used as a in between for Iran Contra Arms Deal, and that he was killed by the US on the orders of George Bush, because this man was an embarrassing witness as to what we had done to get the Iran hostages released.
So the Bushes are the ones who started the war. After 9/11 Bush Jr. invades 2 countries and kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with 9/11. We need to get out of the Middle East and water board the Bushes and Cheney on the world TV, to try to make peace. We need to send home all of the prisoners we tortured in Cuba.
Jun 14, 2016 100% PROOF Orlando Shooting Was a STAGED HOAX…This Is All You Need To See
This is the only video you need to see to know that this whole Orlando Shooting was Nothing but a STAGED HOAX orchestrated by a Criminal Government.
https://youtu.be/wiLk-V9DFpc
I wish I could flag crap like this.
Looking forward … “Are we going to start treating all Muslim-Americans differently? Are we going to start subjecting them to special surveillance? Are we going to start discriminating against them because of their faith?” Mr. Obama asked, his voice rising with frustration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/obama-orlando-shooting.html?emc=edit_th_20160615&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=61546817
We’re already doing all of that. Look what happens in airports.
Are you ready for Killary? Trump will not be president, he is too dictatorial to get elected. President-in-waiting Killary and her best bud, Prezzy Peace, want us to believe Mateen was ‘self-radicalized’ by ISIS. In other words, his life was peachy-keen-happy until ‘radical Islam’ appeared before his innocent eyes and brainwashed him. Never mind the ongoing brutality of American war-mongering in Arab nations, including his parent’s home country. Never mind the fear-mongering directed at American Muslims, it is all their fault. And be absolutely sure to ignore the numerous mass murders by non-Muslim Americans, which provide the made-in-America blueprint for his assault.
The likelihood that this mass murder was another sick action by a delusional, gun-loving AMERICAN, who was also a self-hating homosexual, is sure to be ignored by the power-hungry, money-loving, war-worshiping elites.
When a person bombs their office, we don’t say “office-hating” worker, when a student attacks a school, we don’t say “learning-hating” terrorist, why do certain groups haveto have such veherment ownership of victimhood, rather than listening to the attacker – whether columbine or as a victim in this case said, “attacking my [home/parents] country”.
Talk about agendas, and hear, see, speak no evil!
MN
“…we don’t say “learning-hating” terrorist…”
Interestingly, “boko haram” literally means “western education is forbidden”.
ISIS is the eternal bogeyman that just keeps giving.
Clinton did say one thing I agree with among her many ridiculous statements, and that is that this guy shouldn’t have been able to legally obtain a gun. But all this talk about “getting ISIS” as a response to Orlando is ridiculous. It had nothing to do with ISIS, it was the work of a man with a history of violence, hostility, and hatred. In fact, a very large proportion of American terrorists have a history of domestic violence: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-orlando-as-usual-domestic-violence-was-ignored-red-flag-20160613
Oddly, Alternet said her speech was “tough” and “sensible”. I hope they get well soon.
This is proof both are unfit to be president.
USA is bombing ISIS, already. Aren’t Trump or Clinton paying attention?
the writing in this article, title down, is a great example of what i like a/b this news source … the fact that the first two items in today’s news are related to the, albeit tragic, story of this lone gunman and his innocent victims, which i’ve already heard extensive coverage on, gives some pause …
… what about the UK’s possible exit from the EU? i mean, the shooting story, while more visceral, is something that i can pretty well draw my own conclusions about. it’s the easy story.
meanwhile, int’l trade relations and the tension between states’ interests, while comparatively dry, is something i don’t know nearly enough about to draw informed conclusions, but i suspect it has a lot more to do w/ presidential willingness to drop bombs than random, confused, and possibly unbalanced (like, we’re examining the guy’s sexuality but not his impulse-control centers?) “terrorists” in Florida?
“Donald you ignorant slut” — many thanks to SNL
Wouldn’t it be cheaper and more effective to “bomb” with the following alternative “weapons of mass construction”… WMC’s
Tents, Building Materials, and Necessities
Clothing, Bedding, and Housewares
Food, Water, and Medicine
We could bury them in so much stuff at such a lower cost they wouldn’t be able to fight. (and if we provided unlimited junk food “High Sugar, High Fat, High Salt, High Fructose Corn Syrup, etc..) We would still be killing them, but instead of immolation we would opt for Diabetes, Heart Disease, High Blood Pressure and other obesity related comorbidity.
We live in a country dominated by the politics of fear, with both branches of the Party fueling that particular fire. In addition, the politicians are themselves mentally paralyzed by fear, fear that they will appear to not be doing something, and fear that their opponent will best them. These facts coupled with our ever increasing penchant for attempting to solve all problems by applying force, and the responses of Clinton and Trump are explained.
Sadly, Mr. Jilani as usual does not contrast the statements of the democrats and republicans with those of the Greens, or other alternative parties, thus feeding into the false impression that everybody in this country is either stupid or insane.
Hillary and Trump perfectly exemplify average americans…stupid and childish
The USA is really impotent now and only seeks to provoke others so it can jump up to escape addressing its failures. We jave not son any wars for over a half century! Who are we fooling but ourselves? If the US can defend it s interests, why cannot the muslim resistance to the invaders?
I’ll see your saber rattling and escalate you.
Is it fair to say that we are already bombing ISIS? So what, bomb them mo’ better?
I wish for once a politician would take five seconds to breath, process, and think, and then open their mouths. And when they spoke, they would speak from a place of authenticity rather that spewing what they ‘thought’ the public wanted to hear, or what they perceived as politically advantageous.
But hey, Raytheon’s stock is up today. It’s all good.
Wait, I have a second wish. After we get done bombing ISIS more better, let’s build smaller nuclear bombs so we can drop them on Russia and China, since *those* two guys are beginning to cut into MY quarterly dividends.
“I wish for once a politician would take five seconds to breath, process, and think, and then open their mouths.”
Unfortunately, the average American’s attention span is only 2 seconds. Gotta move quick otherwise they’ll click the remote and change the channel.
Ooops, I think I hear a soundbite opportunity
Sadly, I know you’re right. We are doomed, aren’t we? I believe Chomsky is correct, every time you hit ‘terrorists’ with a hammer, you create twenty more. Every bomb reinforces the ideology that are bombing gave rise to in the first place.
Poor leaders subtract. Good leaders add. Great leaders multiply. The greatest movements in the history of the world have been driven by peaceful leaders, but those leaders had taken years to develop spiritual, emotional, psychological discipline, and were well beyond two second soundbites.
I’ll take a forest monk, nun, desert ascetic for president. At least they will discern and listen, then act, if appropriate; and move from a place of human tenderness.
‘our’ bombing…
That is it, you are so correct, what you wrote here is the whole point of the futility of all our bombing of innocents: “But the record shows that, if anything, U.S. military engagements in the Middle East drive recruits to extremist organizations, rather than away. Even Donald Rumsfeld’s Pentagon worried about that.”
Albert Einstein is said to have noted, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Are these people that see only bombing over and over as the answer really lunatics, or are they hopelessly ensnared in the profit of endless on going war and weaponry trade?
Fact: Bombing the Middle East leads to peace and stability for the rest of the world. We have decades of bombing experience to prove this. Each village we bomb leads to global stability. Invasions of other countries also leads to peace and stability. Keep bombing because logic tells us so.
This is yellow journalism posing as liberal media in its basest, rawest, most unadulterated form, barely a cut above propaganda. The article attempts to conflate Hillary and Trump so that the holier-than-thou crowd who come to this site with their self-congratulatory privilege can pat each other on the back and come up with all sorts of devious motives on the part of the Clinton’s, attacking even the Clinton Foundation as it shunts millions of dollars from the hands of the elite to the extreme African poor for obtaining HIV medications. Pierre Omidyar, himself a philanthropist, will hopefully wake up to the lie–the conflation of these two candidates, for example–that his money is supporting. Somebody needs to clean house of these enablers.
Why is this yellow journalism an example of the irresponsibility of privilege?
The world is currently under severe threat posed by a violent, psychopathic bigot whose deeply offensive racism and threats against Muslims and deportations of the working poor are likely one of the trigger points for psychopath #2 who walked into the night club. In other words, we’ve already seen the bigot’s incendiary and degrading language in action. Meanwhile his psychopathic genes have continued to trigger and actualize as he rises in power–and there is no saying where that psychopathy will end if he ever does achieve power. The Intercept crowd, with their billionaire funded idealism, will of course shun any responsibility if he is elected. No matter to them that harm done to the planet, nor to humanity. It’s a bit like Ralph Nader claiming he was not the spoiler candidate of 2000 when he wrote on his silly website. “In the year 2000, exit polls reported that 25% of my voters would have voted for Bush, 38% would have voted for Gore and the rest would not have voted at all.” That would have netted Gore 12,665 votes when the controversy that allowed Bush and the Supreme Court to hijack the election was just over a mere 500 or so. That is what privilege is all about, no need to look back, no skin off their privileged noses, none of them will be deported, and that is also what the jackasses who conflate Hillary and the Trumpanzee are all about.
Don’t worry, not that you would, but I’m not so stupid as to imagine that I won’t be marching on Washington to curb Hillary’s militant propensities, if indeed she is elected. I’m just not among the privileged few who would turn their eyes from what lies in wait for the world if she is not.
“Don’t worry, not that you would, but I’m not so stupid as to imagine that I won’t be marching on Washington to curb Hillary’s militant propensities, if indeed she is elected.”
OF COURSE you will…once you take off your kneepads.
Nete Peedham: trite.
If even your harshest critics say you’re barely a cut above CNN, ABC, the NYT, etc. then I guess you’re doing pretty well!
Plain and simple the lesser of two evils is still evil and the masses are becoming wise to this fact.
If the Clinton Foundation is all that you say it is open the books to us and let us exam it. Or will that just put the focus on another amazing use of the word “is”?
And while your at it post Hillary’s Wall Street speech transcripts so we can then be free to worship our war hawk Queen.
There are a number of organizations that rate charities. Charity Navigator, back when I was donating large sums of money to for example, Doctor’s Without Borders, gave them a slightly higher rating than even DWB. I believe back then they were among the top five charities in the US, if memory serves me. Because The Clinton Foundation has spun off numerous entities, Charity Navigator has dropped their rating but will pick it up if it remains a constant entity for a while. Meanwhile, Charity Navigator continues to rate them and you’ll be happy to know, they’re just slightly more efficient than DWB still. If you spend a little time reading about the Foundation, you’ll see that they have actually got about 73 billion dollars in pledged donations. Oh, now you’ll hear about the micro loans from the other Tea Bagger like fanatics that frequent this site. There, there now, you can even find fault in the philandering of MLK if you work hard enough, ask any Tea Bagger like Trey Gowdy, who no doubt sympathizes a great deal with this site. Any way, here are the facts, when you come up with a better way of assessing a charity, let us all know. No doubt, like the others on this site, you’re well equipped to make that judgment. Carry on… Jimmy.
https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478
Jimmy you put your words nicely, but the bloggers here are not a bunch of drop out pot heads that never finished a basic education.
The fact that a former President goes around collecting money at the levels he does is a travesty as it is the clearest example of the corrupting influence of money in politics. There is no better example of those in power amorally profiting after they pass through the turnstile to K Street.
Please cut me a break as it is actually insulting to tell us to rely on rating agencies to vouch for the foundations of these wolves in sheep’s clothing. It was the rating agencies that were a major factor in allowing the greatest theft in the history of mankind during our last financial meltdown.
This is a group that fully understands that foundations are the wealthy’s greatest tool to hide the money they have stolen from the treasury and labor. On top of the initial theft and the avoidance of taxes, they benefit from the time value of money so they can buy politicians in perpetuity.
That was an awful lot of bull shit just to say, “Vote for the lesser of two evils, or you yourself will be rightly labeled evil incarnate.”
Oh, and you’ll be “marching on Washington” once you’ve helped elect Clinton. Why do you think Clinton would give a goddamn what you do or say about your future plans, since your end, bottom line choice is to support her election with all you’re worth?
The Clintons are quite good people and they’ve done much good in the world and they respond to positive pressure when it’s put on them. They are also politicians and that’s what politicians do. Contrary to what Privilege believes, the country is a vast place with a vast number of constituents. It’s not, for example, a bunch of white Vermonter trust fund babies who pat themselves on the back for their cherry picking, far as I know, as they stoke the flames of hatred and enable the Trey Gowdy’s of the world. Here’s, one of your own, Clinton haters, no longer with the NY Times, a paper whose disdain for Clinton has been historically unprecedented and unapologetic, Jill Abramson: “As an editor I’ve launched investigations into her business dealings, her fundraising, her foundation and her marriage. As a reporter my stories stretch back to Whitewater. I’m not a favorite in Hillaryland. That makes what I want to say next surprising. Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy.” But even as fact after fact stares them in the face, the Intercept-Tea Bagger crowd will continue to drool over their own hatred for her. They will never have that moment that Abramson did. Not a chance.
If that weren’t such a pitifully down the out house crapper hole take on Clinton’s well documented dishonesty, and such a childish talking points type of depiction of those who are well aware of Clinton’s dishonesty, and have documented it — your comment and especially your Trumpian Size phrase “intercept teabagger crowd” would be comical. But it’s just too much jackassery to even be considered comical.
Jill Abramson writing in the Guardian: “As an editor I’ve launched investigations into her business dealings, her fundraising, her foundation and her marriage. As a reporter my stories stretch back to Whitewater. I’m not a favorite in Hillaryland. That makes what I want to say next surprising. Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy.”
Well documented dishonesty? I guess you also spent the last thirty years investigating and assigning investigative reports to turning up dirt on the Clintons, too? But somehow, your brilliance came up with a different result? I think you earn The International Donald Trump Trey Gowdy Tea Bagger Ass Hat of the Week Award. Congratulations! Hint: the judges sited “excellency in pugnacious narcissism and naivete” as the tipping point. Keep up the good work.
Jill Abramson and Jimmy #Standwithhilary! So anyone who disagrees is a Tea Bagger.
You’re a fucking dim bulb, Jimmy; blinded by your own insincerity and your shitty prose that you mistake for clever.
Excellent acceptance speech!
This is the first election where participation feels like an endorsement of U.S elections process and what has been done and created in the name of U.S “security” The torture, the lack of justice, ongoing interventions, the fear-mongering, the traitorous obstructionism of the Republicans towards anything good for this country and getting away with it, and so much more.
Not for a political statement its a revulsion.
My views are moreso closely aligned with the green party but their party only seems to surface in national elections as restrictive as the coverage is.
I would be far more likely to vote for them in local elections and then eventually national because there would be some kind of support there.
But then there are still choices, responsibilities and likely outcomes for particular choices. In my opinion Hillary is the only candidate running for president. I don’t see the point in choosing a symbolic protest candidate other than for a quick feel good moment. I also think its deceptive advertising on their part. No you wont take the entire system on and by the force of your personality and righteousness of your opinions change a thing if everyone and their media is working against you. You have to live and work there, you’ll cave in some way.
The wheels of social movements cant rest on the shoulders of a candidate for president.
Protesting is our job, anyway.
Fully agree.
Please watch (it’s only about 3 minutes):
Former CIA Officer: Listen To Your Enemy, Because ‘Everybody Believes They Are The Good Guy’
“The only real way to disarm your enemy is to listen to them,” she said. “If you hear them out, if you’re brave enough to really listen to their story, you can see that more often than not you might’ve made some of the same choices if you’d lived their life instead of yours.”
Not every malefactor believes ‘they are the good guys’ , but ‘do unto others’ are words to live by.
*Imo, the gross disparity in US/western media coverage of horrific events around the world (esp. where US/western military forces are involved), essentially precludes the ability of US/western peoples to even apply the … golden rule.
Every bomb dropped, and every bullet used, is billions of dollars more in the pocket of the real power running our world, the military industrial alliance.
Clinton is beholden to, and indeed owned by them, as of course is Trump, most of Congress, and the ancillary entities supporting this nefarious group.
There is little that can be done to stop them, as they have spent the last four decades building a far reaching system, with all manner of controls in place, the most critical being the 24/7/365 all encompassing surveillance which alerts to any sustainable organized resistance.
Localized wars, with the occasional major conflict thrown in, is how life will be, worldwide, for the next century, or longer.
1984 has arrived, albeit a tad late, large as life and death.
someone must call the next continental congress
i cannot do that
it must be convened and the new declarations be made
it is the only way
You mean constitutional convention. And before you get too excited about that idea, (a) review the process and (b) think about the likely makeup of the delegates and how many of them would almost certainly be from the ranks of the Trumpeters.
Unfortunately Bernie also posted a very bad tweet (or his staff did), immediately pointing the finger at ISIS and calling for their destruction. It seemed conflicting with his common message of peace, not jumping to violence before knowing the facts and not using fear tactics for political gain.
“It seemed conflicting with his common message . . .”
No. It’s entirely consistent with his repeated statements supporting the destruction of ISIS, Obama’s air war, extrajudicial killings by drone, etc.
For some strange reason, just as was true with Obama, people just cannot seem to see Sanders as he really is and has been. They insist and persist in seeing what they want him to be.
That is not true. Bernie has been consistent in his beliefs with his actions since the beginning of his career. You can watch all the video and see all his policies over the years. He is absolutely legit.
Complete insanity!!!! The kid was mentally ill.. No one can prove he had any connections to ISIS or any other extremist group but you’re going to begin bombing??? God she’s as bad as he is… God help us… We have our own issues that need attending to but they want to start WW III!!!!
“Both candidates called for an escalation of the U.S.-led bombing campaign against ISIS in Syria and Iraq.”
It’s a shame that the shooter didn’t call in and say his loyalty was to the NSA/CIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aCgSwmm5Ho&list=PLL3uNn7f3nphWUR63sE2EIlMpjy8rrAdP
classic
The elected persons and candidates have left the building.
Death and destruction in exchange for donations for the last innings to the finish line. Thankfully neither of them is President.
Weapons manufacturer’s are probably rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of a more intense protracted war and promises of so much more to come with a Clinton or a Trump at the helm. Clinton and Trump are surely salivating at the prospect of overflowing coffers just in time for the final inning.
Talk about mentally ill – all of them are certifiable.
More anti-Clinton Berniebot BS. She’s right. We do need to step up our campaign against ISIS – regardless of the cause. And this is exactly Obama’s policy, too.
Or would this crap website prefer that ISIS be allowed to continue destabilizing the region, murdering Yazidis, Kurds and Shiites, selling women into sexual slavery and threatening to destabilize Turkey and Lebanon? You ideological purists just don’t live in the real world. Go sing Kumbaya and STFU.
How did ISIS actually develop to it’s present state ?
Please elaborate extensivly…
Kumbaya this:
“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of
social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.”
“Have we not come to such an impasse in the modern world that we must love our enemies – or else? The chain reaction of evil – hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars – must be broken, or else we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.”
(Martin Luther King, Jr.)
Oh and one more word: BLOWBACK
Oh…so NOW you’re worried about destabilizing the region? Shit’s pretty fucking unstable hoss and Artillery Clinton can’t wait to flex her lady nuts to show everyone how tough she is. (So tough!) She’ll get in there and stabilize it REAL GOOD. Nothing fixes a problem like doubling down on what caused it in the first place.
In the real world, ISIS has a long way to go to catch up to the United Snakes in its devastation of the world, or even just of the Middle East. We, the human species, need to step up our campaigns against ISIS, the U.S., the Saudis, Israel, and all other oppressors and exploiters — all of which are part of the overall enemy, global capitalism.
ISIS would be insignificant if the imperialism of
the faking U$A was based upon improving peoples lives
instead of maximizing private corporate profits through
spreading violence and weapons of mass destruction
around the planet.
The faking U$A’s NATO scheme has destabilized regions
around the globe for private profits and ISIS is a by-product
of their sadistic corruption.
Any opinion that does not see it your way, that suggests plowshares, instead of swords, is foolishness, I gather.
To believe more killing is the way to stop killing is not rational, and a glance at world history unequivocally proves it does not work.
Education, and real programs to end inequality, worldwide, is the only way forward.
Perhaps generations from now, civilization will make an appearance on this tired planet, and people will wonder, and be embarrassed they are the descendants of such barbarism.
@ limp knoodle
STFU
The only thing you got right was your name, superdick.
STFU? Is that an order, dickhead? You are not bright enough to order a hamburger, much less to regulate people’s opinions.
@Superdork
“ISIS be allowed to continue destabilizing the region”
ummm, you are aware that is was the US that ‘destabilized’ the region (namely Iraq) with a war that lasted 8 years, aren’ t you? And that ISIS didn’t exist until the USA destabilized the region, which allowed them to prosper.
So, your recommendation on a failed strategy is double-down. Not good odds when you’re playing with half a deck.
Until now there are no proven facts thats ISIS did instigated this attack.
A Shame for our nation that people like this are presented by their parties as Leaders and taken such kind of tragedies to increase their chance of a “win”…
These kind of “politicians” are just…… disgusting !!
This is a hallmark of “american exceptionalism.”
1. An “american” citizen with an “exceptional” sense of
violent vigilantism and homophobic arrogance decides
all people who visit a certain location must be murdered.
2. Pompous-manipulating-power-lusting-phonies who are
human failures decide to use a horrifying brutal atrocity
in one location to unleash horrifying viciousness upon
people in a completely different location because they
know they can manipulate the rampant prejudices of
their fearful craven followers and simultaneously pour
enormous amounts of money
(taken from the pockets of their fearful craven followers)
into the coffers of the manufacturers of the tools of
violence in the name of “exceptional” freedom.
3. The remnants of the social fabric continue rotting under
the increasing stresses of environmental degradation
and blood soaking.
———————————-
This is the main plan of the democrats and republicans.
4. repeat at every opportunity.
… once again Clark you have nailed it.
The quote of Trump has no mention of bobbing. He just says we need to be furious, and then when asked directly about attacking a city, “I don’t know, w just need to do something”
Yet this sham article happily ignores what it just quoted and goes on to pitch a clearly false narrative of both Clinton and Trump advocating bombing in response to the attacks. This is very clearly untrue based on the evidence it itself presented. Pathetic journalism.
I’m SURE that both Trump and Clinton simply mean to send ISIS a strong letter.
Trump’s “We have generals that feel we can win this thing so fast and so strong, but we have to be furious for a short period of time, and we’re not doing it!” is indicative of escalating violence, just like Clinton’s “ramping up” blabber.
A fitting post from someone who goes by the moniker “A”. Is that short for a 3 letter word?
Apparently you, Donald Drumpf & Hillary Clinton totally missed the point. Neither ISIS, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda or ANY middle east entity had anything to do with this shooting by a homophobic, roid raged, criminally insane American.
I’m glad you set aside this post to humiliate yourself in public.
Gary Johnson -libertarian for president!
I don’t see any problem if ISIS is bombed to oblivion, whatever may be the trigger.
This article does not have any merit.
According to U.S. military statistics, only a small amount of the killed and wounded are innocent. Not a problem -unless YOU are the statistic.
I couldn’t agree more.
The problem is it often isn’t about ‘bombing ISIS,’ really, even though that’s how the corrupt establishment phrases it.
It’s usually about killing people who US officials have decided are ‘suspected’ militants, and blowing up any civilians who happen to be near the suspects as well.
It’s slaughtering people, arbitrarily.
What nonsense. How would you know this? Some crackpot article you read on the internet? Enough with the stupid “corrupt establishment” slogans from you intellectually lazy Berniebrats. Time to grow up.
I’m a Green Party supporter. Bernie Sanders called for more aggression also. His foreign policy is as stupid as Obama’s, if not as stupid and menacing as Clinton’s or Trump’s.
I’m a grown woman, and not intellectually lazy by any stretch, so your exhortations to grow up are silly.
And the establishment is indeed corrupt. It is corrupted by corporatism, imperialism and militarism.
So our establishment is corrupt and ISIS is all saintly? You need a break, lady.
Your posts are reprehensible, actually quite foul. Of course ISIS is not ‘saintly.’ But realize that the corruption of the US establishment has contributed to the unnatural flourishing of such Wahhabism atrocities, via the crooked and stupid game being played in the Middle East by the Saudi, Israeli and British/American alliance.
I would see even less of a problem if the force that would do that bombing were to have its five-sided headquarters building (and a lot more of its assets!) bombed to oblivion. Too bad we can’t get groups like ISIS (and “associated forces”) and the United Snakes Killitary (and other NATO forces) to bomb each other to oblivion without killing innocent people. It, is, unfortunately, a rather utopian fantasy.
“It, is, unfortunately, a rather utopian fantasy.”
I’ve been hoping for that for a looooooong time…
“This article does not have any merit.”
Nor, psycho, do your comment.
#$! DOES your comment.
You also have no objections if Americans respond in a way that is in its national interest or even to the maiming and killing innocent civilians . Your posts have revealed that about the only thing that you are concerned with is promoting a radical agenda on behalf of Israel’s Likud. It’s about time you change the name you post under to the more appropriate, General Zionism.
*isn’t
A few things have to be said to both of these white liars from New York.
First of all, bombs kill unintended innocent victims. Second, in the U.S. arsenal there are “fire and forget ” weapons. Third, there are “over the horizon” weapons.
How can anyone guarantee that innocents will not be killed or wounded with these weapons of mass destruction? Certainly not Donald Drumpf!
If anyone in the world is “unhinged” it is he, and he should be the last person on Earth allowed to make the decision to bomb. Or at least until he “figures it out”.
Gary Johnson -libertarian for president!
the shooter guy was a closet gay. He didnt know how to handle it. He got angry and was quite jealous they were having fun and he was not. So his conflicted mind came up with a solution. He figured if he killed gay people his mind would not have anyone to be gay with. And he knew that since he couldnt kill himself he might be get the death by cop. He didnt want to have any shame in his act so he made a phone call as a measure of reconciliation.
the Moslem religion needs an “ok to be gay” policy in a real bad way.
“the Moslem religion needs an “ok to be gay” policy in a real bad way.”
Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee and Bobby Jindal attended a conference hosted by a “kill the gays” guy,
Just out of interest where did they say this? Can we get a link?
typical, over reaction ! When will American, and the world learn to be proactive, instead of reactive. Looking at U.S. history, we have always responded after a crisis, which begs the question, ” When will we learn ? ” This was not an ISIS attack, this was a confused young man, who was on the FBI radar, not once but twice. Who did the investigation, who decided it was not credible ? That should be where we start. Looking at the protocols now in place and changing or adapting to new and existent situations. It is not new laws that are needed. enforce what is now in place and change the methodologies of investigation and procedures. Just my humble opinion.
Why do liberal democrats always defend terrorists?
Are you accusing liberals of liking Stalin (see the 1930s), Mao (see the 1960s), and Castro (see forever)? That is a dastardly slander, Sir.
Liberal Democrats, taking turns with their Republican brethren, have indeed not just defended, but organized and financed, terrorism against the peoples of many countries, including against Cuba (repeatedly), many other Latin American countries (Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Peru, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, et al., and, even more horrifically, against Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, the Philippines, the Congo, and many other countries.
And, of course, there was the ongoing (till very recently) terror campaign against the people and government of Cuba, especially before that government was able to stabilize itself by suppressing the domestic agents of the imperialist terrorists.
Why do you always play into the strategy of divide and conquer? Neither your life nor the lives of your family and friends will ever improve as long as you let them play you like a fiddle.
Bombing just creates more terrorists.
Since US foreign policy is being conducted by the military industrial establishment through their puppets in Congress, is any of this really a surprise?
Another such event, this time outside Paris. Different from Orlando in that the perpetrator had a knife and not an assault rifle.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/14/french-police-officer-wife-murdered-larossi-abballa-isis
“and you cannot bomb them all” Oh yah? Who sayz? Clinton if president may surly try.
It is truly pathological – every bomb we drop creates more radicals, more recruits for ISIS or whatever the terrorist organization du jour is. It’s Vietnam only on a world scale.
If one doesn’t assume this stupidity is a feature, not a bug (a potentially dangerous assumption), you have to wonder at the lack of imagination of these leaders. When you drop a bomb on some other country’s citizens, why would you assume that the people, even if they hate those citizens, will be ok with it? Would Americans be ok if England started to do extrajudicial killings of “bad people” in the U.S.?
Moreover everyone, even shitty people, are someone’s neighbor, someone’s son, someone’s daughter, someone’s sister, someone’s brother, someone’s father, someone’s mother, someone’s friend, etc., etc. People are going to be pissed. Not everyone is going to believe they are shitty, so now you’ve created a new enemy. That doesn’t even count “collateral damage”, which who is going to forgive for that?
And why do people in the States and England radicalize? Why should they care?
Well, we’re ready to bomb people over what happened in Belgium. When “your people” get killed, you care.
Is ISIS evil? Yeah, from what I hear. Do radicals suck? Absolutely. Do I wish them dead? Sometimes. However, this is one of those curious situations where doing something is often worse than doing nothing. He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
not bad, clap clap
I should note – they don’t watch network TV. They don’t watch Fox. They don’t listen to NPR. They don’t see CNN or MSNBC. Even if they do, don’t assume they believe our viewpoint, or worse, propaganda. We say we killed ISIS, they say whatever they believe in their side of the world. We live in our bubble and can’t contemplate that they aren’t as happy about our acts as we are, that they don’t get that this bombing is for “their own good”. Again, it takes a complete lack of imagination to believe they would.
Stop calling right-wing religious fanatics “radicals”. We real radicals do “suck” sometimes, when, e.g., drinking through a straw or engaging in oral sex. But it is imperialist capitalists, along with some semi-capitalist, semi-feudalistic predators, who suck the lifeblood out of the peoples of the world.
The simplicity always works for mediocre politicians. It is easy to say that these terrorists are evil, psychopaths, etc… because they are, it is not a secret for anybody. However, why these terrorists hate the Americans so much? No politician will tell you why. The truth is so simple. The US government destroyed Irak for no reason at all. Remember the weapons of mass destruction? Later Obama and Clinton destroyed Libya and Syria, much more details can be found in the internet. These three countries are completely in ruins thanks to the US government. No politician will tell you that. Don’t you think that maybe these people are full of hatred because of these horrible action of the evil US government? The problem is that these terrorists kill innocent people to show their hatred to the US government. At the end we have to listen these mediocre politicians such as Obama, Clinton, Trump and the useless media owned by the 1%. etc… talking about anything but the truth and in the future more and more innocent people will be massacred all over the world. The 1& is safe, nobody can tough them.
Amen! Instead, Boobus American will yell “love it or leave it” and “land of the free”.
This logic has bombing the Vatican because of the ciolence and killings of healthcare services by some Xian beleivers. This is the Bush-Cheney Rule, now adopted by america! Handy so you NEVER HAVE TO LOOK AT YOURSELF! The NRA is criminal, handing deadly weapons out as Rights!
Nobody hands out rights. We are born with them, and not just those of us in the United States. A very basic one is the right to defend one’s self, and whatever it takes to do that is fine by me. Millions of law abiding gun owners the world over, own and use hundreds of millions of guns responsibly all the time. Just because one lunatic decides to commit some violence doesn’t mean that the rest of us are any less responsible than we were before. Sometimes bad things happen. 85 people are killed every day on the highways in the US. People die every day of cancer. People die every day of heart disease, old age, alcoholism, and many other illnesses. Get over it.
“Just because one lunatic decides to commit some violence…”
From 2008 to 2012…over 40,000 firearms deaths in the USA! USA! USA!
Man! Was that one lunatic ever busy!
Well well come on over and let me put an easy hole in your chest!
Its disturbing how reactionary our politicians are. This was a tragic event that should require a thorough investigation and then sound policy to address the core issues to mitigate similar future events from reoccurring. Instead war hawks yell bomb “them” without regard to who they are, the reality of the events that actually transpired, and the consequences of perpetual warfare against people on the opposite side of planet earth. We saw a similar reactionary overt and covert push for war to overthrow the Syrian government. Now that a war in Syria has severely diminished civil society the void has been filled by ISIS. Our politicians refuse to examine the relationship between cause and effect. May I suggest a semester of courses in root cause analysis? More ominously both major presidential contenders have grabbed hold of the neocon war torch and if their current words are indicative of their future behavior, if tragedy hits America again they will run full speed to get America into another disastrous reactionary war.
Government carried out the Orlando shooting. They want the guns, so they can start their NWO. Yes, our government is accountable for many years of war crimes. Carried out 911, which did kill people, so they could spy on us via “Patriot Act”. Our government had Kissenger and Lindsey “sissy boy” Graham visit BILDERBERG this week to decide the people’s fate. No media is talking about it because all MSM and obviously reporters are dumb as f*ck or are too scared to talk about something involving their masters. The BILDERBERG group is behind everything that goes on pretty much in the world. They are the ones that created the Euro, they are the ones that decided that Brits will have no Brexit. Conquer and divide is their philosophy. United Patriots cannot be taken down and they know that. The writer is correct about one thing. We are creating the problems by being in the Middle East and the ones that are supplying ISIS with weapons. Now our government is bringing these radicals in that hate us and believe in the Quaran. If you believe in such junk, then you do not believe in Freedom, but slavery.
US criminal government working with the Saudis and NATO to destabilize and destroy countries all across the world. Including Europe and America. Flood these countries with filthy trash because our Government bombs them and then wants to bring them over to house. Never seen criminals operate so blatantly out in the open, and their are still stupid people that don’t get it. I’m sorry for those people.
Reminds me of Condoleeza’s Rice infamous statement of 2006:
“What we’re seeing here, in a sense, is the growing – the birth pangs of a new Middle East.”
Here’s the baby! The labor has been long, but now, little ISIS is running about the playroom – and proving much harder to control than anticipated.
See this excellent review of the regional support for ISIS that exists amoung U.S. allies and partners in the region:
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/state-sponsors-of-the-islamic-state-the-turkey-saudi-qatar-connection/
What about our NATO ally in the region?
What about our “Gulf coalition partners”?
And our special relationship with Israel? Their ex-defense minister, Ya’alon, went on the record to say that he’d prefer to see ISIS overthrow Assad since Iran would then lose regional influence. Their new defense minister, the far-right Lieberman, probably shares that view.
Anyone who thinks the U.S. isn’t fully aware of this, and hasn’t been supporting it, has been lobotomized. Consider also what has Clinton called for, as well as Trump?
And what is the real underlying economic agenda here? Why does the U.S. State Department coordinate with terrorist-supporting dictatorships in the Middle East over a clandestine effort to overthrow the Syrian government since 2011?
So: who gets to supply gas to Europe? Will it be Iran, via Syria, to Europe? Or, in the preferred neolib/neocon game plan, Saudi Arabia, UAE & Qatar via ISIS-controlled Syria, to Europe? Turkey has similarly bought over $1 billion in oil from ISIS at below-market rates, vastly enriching Erdogan, his family and their political allies; he’d like that to continue.
That’s what Obama, Clinton and the ‘regional partners’ are really up to, it seems. ISIS-inspired terrorist attacks are just part of the cost of doing business, as is the flood of refugees into Europe – and if they can use those ISIS-inspired attacks to increase domestic mass surveillance and expand foreign militarism, so much the better.
Evil? Stupid? Insane? All of the above?
… and that is just the tip of the imperial iceberg.
there is this book called “the wikileaks files” …. oh, never mind, y’all probably aren’t allowed to read it anyway …
Hopefully all will read Hillary’s emails when Wikileaks discloses them…or Russia ….she’s dirty
I don’t think you left anything out. Thank you for the detailed charter.
ALL OF THE ABOVE…
Perhaps including comments from Dr. Jill Stein and Gary Johnson would be a good way to expand the debate?
I’m guessing they would respond in a timely fashion, and it would make the journalism less tedious for those writing these articles… and might just open some eyes in America.
The D’s and R’s both trying to exploit yet another tragedy for political gain sickens me, and I’m growing tired of making the “none of the above” comments they elicit.
I’m sure you’ve got tons to do Zaid, but isn’t sending two brief emails requesting comment within the realm of the possible?
Thanks.
Good idea
So I take it that the author feels that Daesh should be allowed to continue to murder non-Sunnis in Syria and Iraq, without the fear of US airstrikes.
So I take it that the respondent feels that the US should encourage the expansion of terrorism and terrorist acts by the counterproductive act of continued bombing of Muslims, many if not most of which are innocent.
Yes, we made our bed, so now we may have to lay in it, but a lot of us see this as it is – a death spiral of killing. The more we kill, the more get radicalized, the more we need to kill, and the more they kill us. Rinse and repeat.
The dream of ISIS is to get the West off their behinds and launch a massive assault against the Moslem world, a new crusade. They dream of an Arab mobilization against the infidels and those hi-tech Westerners have already shown that the mighty forces they muster have been comically ineffective in almost everything they try. Regardless, Hillary and Donald are both ready to lead the new crusades.
The sexually confused and goofy Orlando shooter used Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda and ISIS interchangeably which suggests he knows even less about the Middle East that George Bush did. The French terrorist yesterday killed his two victims while live on Facebook. These are not the best examples of a serious ISIS killer but good enough to launch a modern day (First?) Crusade I guess.
You do realize the plan was to have ISIS overthrow Assad? The Saudis claimed that they could make ISIS obey them, and the US, UK, France, Turket and Israel all got on board from 2011 onwards. This would facilitate a gas/oil pipeline across Syria direct to European markets, and would block the alternative Iran-Syria pipeline supported by Russia.
Well, it turned out that ISIS was not content to be a proxy force for the coalition; much to the dismay of their misguided handlers and suppliers. That dismay can be seen (between the lines) in this Bloomberg article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-11-14/what-does-islamic-state-think-it-is-doing-
Why, oh why? Why didn’t they stay on script and content themselves with being a regional proxy force that answered to the Saudis and facilitated American and British and French commercial business agendas in the region? Why? We paid them enough, why go all fanatic with global terror plans?
Funny how bug-eyed religious fanatics never seem to do exactly what you pay them to, isn’t it? Gosh, who could have seen that coming? What kind of jackass idiots do we have running national foreign policy programs these days?
Botb figures are profoundly dishonest.
Not sure why so many people are riled up. I say carpet bomb the entire middle east. If Islam and it’s worshipers disappeared tomorrow, so would the majority of the worlds conflicts and problems.
And Seig Heil to you too.
Proof positive that Naziism had its main source in the USA!
In other words, you are proposing genocide, yes?
Jesus! Are you related to Henry Kissinger? Your mentality is right out of the 60’s red-scare playbook, leading to one of America’s shining moments: The war in Vietnam.
We all know how well that went…
American politicians at their best. Its always the other guy’s fault.
I am dismayed by how easily and quickly this has been spun into a “Terrorist” (read “Muslim Extremist”) attack. I think it is better to see it as a hate crime. Everything I’ve read makes me think that this horrible event was motivated mainly by homophobia, not “Islamic radicalization.” It’s gotten the gloss of “terrorism” because of that 911 call the perpetrator is supposed to have made. But it seems that he had a documented, long-standing history of homophobia.
My fear is that the responses by the media, law enforcement and governments will focus on “anti-terrorism,” rather than on understanding and combatting homophobia in all its forms. It’s easy to take aim at the external, foreign enemy, much more difficult to expose and respond to the the threads of anti-LGBTQ prejudice in our own US society.
The comment by Clinton about racking up the air war, has no direct link to her speech in Orlando. If it was part of the speech, it would suggest a false excuse; but if it was comments made later, it shouldn’t have been used to tie in the Orlando shooting with calls for increased bombing of ISIS as it could have been two different policy statements concerning two different issues.
There goes Hawk Hillary again….bomb,bomb,bomb, same thing she did after 9/11 and where did that get us?
She’s gonna bomb her way to the White House. That’s where it’ll get her.
With her immediate response using Trump’s demanded words “Islamic terrorism,” the democratic nominee has indicated her inclination to let him set the terms of the discussion. Is she going to do that a lot?
Probably because while she is tough, most of that toughness is geared toward hippie punching and punching down.
Washington D.C. has the highest number in Hate Groups per million people, 23.72.
The next highest is Arkansas with 8.14 Hate Groups per million people.
So do we carpet bomb Washington, DC?
FROM:
CSI Without Dead Bodies:
https://csiwodeadbodies.blogspot.com/2016/02/splc-hate-group-update-washington-dc.html
The Jews at the Southern Poverty “Law” Center are as much of a hate group as any of those they have categorized, they hate whites. Don’t embarrass yourself by providing links to anything they’ve done.
Ah…so you’re a Klan guy, eh…Dick?
It’s even worse in DC now. https://csiwodeadbodies.blogspot.com/2016/02/splc-hate-group-update-washington-dc.html
This is another moment in Bizarro World that would be funny if it weren’t so tragic and murderous and so very, very dangerous.
Clearly, to prevent future attacks such as this one, we should be launching drone strikes against young, bipolar and psychotic men who are confused and angry about their sexual attractions and who, although nominally Muslim, can’t tell the difference between Sunni and Shia. Yeah, that’s the ticket.!
Only an ignorant American could believe that all Muslims are the same so support for any sect is support for all sects.
The Pulse attacker is more American than anything else. He has more in common with the American strain of fundamentalist Christianity.
Indeed, but it’s easier to fling munitions around the world, or talk big about it the way these two are, then to even suggest, say, meaningful gun control or full funding for mental health services.
As for discerning differences inside Islam, the leadership sometimes didn’t worry about that when war-making.
(By “these two” I mean they who aspire, respectively, to be the first woman president or the last president of the U.S.)
;^)
Oops! I meant: ;^(
Democratic and Republican voters are almost as dumb, and equally blood-thirsty.
““Fight them there, so we don’t have to fight them here.” Haven’t they learned anything? Stop creating more wars at the expense of people who are not your own family or relatives. Talks are easy when your children’s lives are not at risk. Wars’ cost include human lives and wellbeing everywhere. If you keep trying to correct all the ills in the world but neglecting your own house’s chaos, you will never be able to advance anything good neither at your home nor the world. We are the world’s laughing stock by wanting to spread Democracy around the world as if we are the perfect model. Just look at our Primaries Elections! We are proving we are just like any Banana Republic we wanted to change!
There’s nothing like a mass murder followed by another mass murder by the ruling class to gin up patriotic feelings.
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”—Hermann Goering
Mass Man is Mass Murder, writes a character from a William Gass novel.
Mass them up anyway you like but the recipe always turns out the same.
SO: “Listen up folks. We are the enlightened. Lets bring enlightenment to the world. First thing, let’s go kill the unenlightened.”
It took all of one nano-second for these two racist, war-mongers to team up in spirit on this one. And the irony of their response is crushing. I’m just wondering how many innocent people these two are willing to kill as a reaction against the crazed act of an obviously mentally ill man. Off the top of my head, I’d say the sky’s the limit, if there is one…
I’m not a religious person, but, I think the Bible has it right on this at least: Violence begets violence…
…and blowback.
That’s for certain.
Endless War needs to be funded with a progressive Endless War Surtax, and manned by a draft which allows no exemptions for the healthy.
Trump/Clinton 2016 : MAGA, like with a cloth or something
Well said, well written, Zaid:
To add to conspiracy: “Fast and Furious was merely a pretext for imposing stricter gun laws.” http://nypost.com/2016/05/21/the-scandal-in-washington-no-one-is-talking-about/
If true, that is deeply disquieting. Maybe that is what all the recent ‘terror’ events have been about? Because no one is mentioning that the “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here” bullshit is clearly not working. If in fact this was authentic terror attack. Furthermore, seem to recall GWB instructing us to shop and dance the night away in 01 attack, that Uncle Sam would take care of this. Well, that’s clearly not working either.
Soln: maybe a militarized citizenry rather than a militarized police. I was in shock, sorta, seeing a hole in the building at that night club. Orlando used a military sop to breach and enter and get at one (single) suspect or terrorist? My fucking god, they used explosives in an urban area in the United States of America. The standing army that was a threat to liberty 200 yrs ago is now more likely the militarized police forces in addition to the standing army. Are we sure we want to disarm ea. other or train ea. other?
Apostrophe error beginning of fifth paragraph. Feel free to delete this comment after reading. LL
You’re right on it, Scooter.
Not all Muslim people are Isis or terrorists some Muslim people are good people that love God anddont kill Donald is a dum guy people get up say when they aren’t Muslim and kill and say hey I’m a Muslim and a terrorist and kill those people are from another religion
It’s almost like the Military-Industrial Complex and Israel-firsters couldn’t have planned it better. A drug-addled, wife beating, possibly torn and closeted gay, son of an Afghan “politician”, and mercenary to rile up the progressive (gay victims) and neoconned (Muslim shooter) masses …
Jilani:
Except when she did exactly that. Clinton:
Jilani realized this of course so he including this “even if”:
Yeah there are many. But as you know, the capabilities and threat of each group differs. your downplaying of ISIL’s propaganda and recruitment abilities and its direct calls to incite violence and inspire unstable individuals borders on journalistic negligence.
With that said, you got one thing right. Clinton is wrong about the current “containment” strategy, which is working. ISIS is being driven out of Iraq. Her additional bombing is tough talk.
It’s “working” in that sense, in the short term. But it’s doing nothing to reduce the threat of attacks in US soil, agreed? The Iraq surge was also “working” at one point, but one should look at the bigger picture of what gets people to want to engage in violence.
I don’t know because ISIS itself has not struck the U.S. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/17/world/middleeast/map-isis-attacks-around-the-world.html?_r=0
Currently, the greater threat is ISIS-inspired attacks, which I think is a separate matter from containing ISIS as an organization. The former is the prime responsibility of the FBI while the latter the U.S. military.
As for the strategy against ISIS the organization, I think you have to assess the options in three broad categories: (1) inaction, (2) containment – primarily airstrikes, (3) aggressive – dramatic increase on “boots on the ground.” There are steps in between. For example, between 2 and 3 exists a higher tolerance for civilian casualties. I see inaction as irresponsible and politically impossible. Americans are not rational when it comes to terrorism. The inclination is to smash their hand on the No. 3 button like Trump and Hillary tend to do. No. 3 is just another quagmire with a huge U.S. footprint; more Americans in the Middle East is an ISIS recruitment bonanza. Obama is using No. 2 (though when he talks he makes it sound like No. 3 – “degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL”), which I believe is the best option available because of the obvious – ISIS has virtually zero air defense or attack capabilities.
RE: The surge — I agree that the overarching objective (“The New Way Forward”) was a failure. But it was unrealistic to begin. Aiming for a “unified government” that could defend and sustain itself? It was never unified in the first place! Aspects of it worked such as the reduction in violence throughout Anbar and Baghdad, but I’d attribute less to the raw troop increase and more credit to the change in strategy led by Petraeus, and the alliance with the Sunnis.
Nice job, Patriot.
Since 2003 the US’ imbecilic and psychotic containment policies have done much to destroy Libya, Iraq, Yemen, and Syria, and has liberated millions of people from their humdrum lives. Congratulations, but your work is far from done. You must keep the arms spigots open to both Al Qaeda and ISIS or your titillating containment games will stop being so much fun and lucrative.
Stan,
Nice job, Paranoid Malcontent
You’re hopelessly lost. Libya was not a containment effort, it was regime change. The 2003 Iraq invasion was well, an INVASION! The U.S.’s efforts in Syria and Iraq against ISIS today are about containment.
Do you even understand what containment entails!? Read up.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/isis-syria-iraq-containment/416799/
“The U.S.’s efforts in Syria and Iraq against ISIS today are about containment.”
– Nate
Being responsible for creating this cluster-fuck in the first place, then ‘moving on’ to arm various sides to shoot at each other now is what you call containment? I thought it was liberation!? I am confused again. So glad Patriot Nate and The Credible Atlantic can sort it out for me.
Invading Iraq was not an act of paranoid delusion and colossal American stupidity? And destroying Libya was not another American cake-walker’s fuck up, resulting in its Al Qaeda and ISIS allies running amok there? I’m so confused Nate, but pleased you are content with the ongoing slaughter-fests. You must feel very gratified and respected now. Enjoy!
The real “journalistic negligence” is seen in the corporate media’s refusal to examine the history of the formation of ISIS – which really did not exist as a significant force before 2011:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/
This is not a Republican-vs-Democrat issue; the Bush alliance with the Saudis was no different from the Obama alliance with the Saudis; Trump and Clinton both have extensive financial relations with the Saudis. Saudi arms purchases (Raytheon TOW-II missiles) have ended up in the hands of ISIS forces (and were captured from them by Iraqi government forces).
Of key interest here is the CIA $1 billion Syrian black budget, the role of Susan Rice in coordinating with Turkey and the Saudis to assist “anti-Assad rebels”, and the role of Congressional actors like John McCain (recipient of a $1 million gift to his private foundation from the Saudis) in giving the green light to the program.
Similarly, Israel has supported the overthrow of Assad by whatever means available, to the point of calling for a victory by ISIS. Clinton has pledged fealty to Netanyahu on all Israeli issues such as stealing Palestinian land via the ‘settler movement’, and Trump is more or less on the same page.
The massive blowback of this idiotic program includes the flood of Syrian refugees into Europe, the rise of ISIS to global prominence, the recruitment of volunteers to ISIS (which was facilitated by Turkey, and perhaps also by European and British governments who initially did little to block the ISIS recruitment efforts in their own countries) – all as part of the Kissinger-style ‘grand chessboard’ fantasies of the neoliberal and neoconservative factions.
Regardless, calls to bomb ISIS are just more cynical electioneering by the two clowns running for President – a calculated move to look tough while not risking a political blowback by putting American soldiers on the ground; ultimately the neoconservatives and neoliberals still want to see Assad overthrown and replaced by a U.S.-friendly puppet regime; hence the refusal to coordinate with Russia to fight ISIS.
If there is any saving grace in U.S. policy at present, it’s the support given to the Kurdish faction by the Pentagon – but even this has become something of a farce, with CIA-supplied groups attacking the Pentagon-backed Kurdish groups while the State Department stares dazedly into the cameras – ah, ah, ah. . . how did we fuck this up so badly? Run for cover!
Clinton notably tried this regime change game in Libya – and that was a massive disaster, again ignored by the U.S. corporate press. The Benghazi story is not the real issue; the real issue is she tried to put a U.S.-friendly puppet in charge of Libya, who would deliver the oil to the right corporatoions; that puppet lasted all of six months, followed by endless chaos.
What we have here is an incompetent, stupid and greedy foreign policy, covered for by a cynical and manipulative domestic propaganda effort aimed mainly at hiding these gross failures from the U.S. public.
You speak about Kurds. Those are the same Kurds that target tourist sites in Istanbul, right?
Yes, the same Kurds. Also gassed by Saddam, persecuted by Erdogan’s Turkey, slaughtered by ISIS. Given a choice between supporting ISIS on one hand, and the Kurds on the other, I’ll go with the Kurds, since they are not launching terrorist attacks against Europe and the U.S.
In fact, the Turkish-Kurdish conflict is a very close analogy to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with disproportionate carnage on the Kurdish and Palestinian sides; the U.S. corporate media tends to only cover one side of the story; so you hear about Kurdish terror attacks in Istanbul, but not about the razing of Kurdish villages by Turkish security forces, or how Turkey has been bombing Kurdish forces in Syria and Iraq in support of ISIS.
In fact, since Pentagon special forces are now embedded with Kurdish militias, there is now the real possiblity of Turkey’s warplanes bombing American soldiers; perhaps unlikely since they’d be attacked by the America air cover backing those embedded groups.
You’re nuts. It has been reported on it exhaustively. Hell, a Washington Post author won the Pulitzer Prize for his book on the origins of the Islamic State (https://www.amazon.com/Black-Flags-Rise-Joby-Warrick/dp/0385538219). There is a growing number of books that detail their origin.
Also, the Islamic State was a significant force before it changed its name to ISIS (April 2013) and then the Islamic State (June 2014). It’s past incarnations go back to Zarqawi and consisted of al-Qaeda in Iraq (2004-2006) and the Islamic State of Iraq (2006-April 2013). AQI bombed Shia mosques and incited civil war.
Hadn’t heard this one before. Source?
We have some agreement here. Assad is a secondary threat to ISIS, but Turkey feels otherwise so the U.S. has to play both its and its regional allies’ interest. Just because the U.S. and Russia’s aims aligned for the moment doesn’t mean they need to coordinate. The U.S. should coordinate with Iran before they do so with Russia. They probably are doing so covertly.
We are already bombing ISIS though, so I interpret your comment to mean “calls for more bombing of ISIS” which if correct, I agree is just tough talk and suggests they’d relax the civilian casualty requirements.
Yeah, this is pretty nuts.
Don’t know what rock you were under. This was ALL OVER the damn news!!
Okay then. Let’s pull this back into the original discussion. What would you, president photosymbiosis, do about ISIS, starting today?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4755215,00.html
As far as what to do about ISIS, that’s easy:
1) Coordinate with Russia to share information on military action against ISIS, first of all. Yes, this would result in Assad regaining control over all of Syria – so what? Work with Russia to pressure Assad into respecting the rights of combatants and not launching reprisals.
2) Tell the Saudis and Qataris and Turkey that any aid they are caught delivering to ISIS forces in Syria and Iraq will result in their expulsion from NATO (Turkey) and listing as state sponsors of terrorism (Qatar and Saudi Arabia and Turkey), resulting in a seizure and freezing of all assets they have in the United States.
3) Give lots of material and financial assistance to the Kurds, who could form something of a wedge between the rival Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran; with the eventual goal being regional peace talks between the Saudis and Iranians.
4) Demand that Israel halt the settler movement’s land grabs from Palestinians or risk the cutoff of American aid; push them to accept equal rights for Arabs in Israeli society. This would undermine support for ISIS across the region. Get the Israelis to sit down in peace talks with Iran and Saudi Arabia.
5) Once that’s solved, pull all U.S. military bases out of the Middle East; we don’t need the oil and the costs are too high to keep a military presence there.
“The massive blowback of this idiotic program includes the flood of Syrian refugees into Europe, the rise of ISIS to global prominence, the recruitment of volunteers to ISIS (which was facilitated by Turkey, and perhaps also by European and British governments who initially did little to block the ISIS recruitment efforts in their own countries) – all as part of the Kissinger-style ‘grand chessboard’ fantasies of the neoliberal and neoconservative factions.”
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“What we have here is an incompetent, stupid and greedy foreign policy, covered for by a cynical and manipulative domestic propaganda effort aimed mainly at hiding these gross failures from the U.S. public.”
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@photosymbiosis: What we also have here is a US population of brain dead house pets, which does not bother Nate a bit as his unstinting support for all of these brilliant manoeuvres continues to give him a great deal of self satisfaction.
He and his masters definitely have a nose for masterful realpolitik.
Here is an article that looks at how many global terror attacks there were in 2015:
http://viableopposition.blogspot.ca/2016/06/terrorism-2015-part-1-global-impact.html
So much for that War on Terror.
Watch Rachel Maddow from last night. It’s all there. ISIS has issued 2 statements instructing their supporters to kill indiscriminately and to not ask for permission – just do it. The reason for the orders is in response to the US bombing campaign.