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Momentum for the impeachment of Brazil’s democratically elected president, Dilma Rousseff, was initially driven by large, flamboyant street protests of citizens demanding her removal. Although Brazil’s dominant media endlessly glorified (and incited) these green-and-yellow-clad protests as an organic citizen movement, evidence recently emerged that protests groups were covertly funded by opposition parties. Still, there is no doubt that millions of Brazilians participated in marches demanding Rousseff’s ouster, claiming they were motivated by anger over her and her party’s corruption.
But from the start, there were all sorts of reasons to doubt this storyline and to see that these protesters were (for the most part) not opposed to corruption, but simply devoted to removing from power the center-left party that won four straight national elections. As international media outlets reported, data showed that the protesters were not representative of Brazilian society but rather were disproportionately white and rich: In other words, the same people who have long hated and voted against PT. As The Guardian put it in its description of the largest Rio protest: “The crowd was predominantly white, middle class and predisposed to supporting the opposition.” To be sure, many former PT supporters turned against Dilma — with good reason — and PT itself has indeed been rife with corruption. But the protests were largely composed of the same factions who have long opposed PT.
That’s why a photo — of a wealthy, white family at an anti-Dilma protest trailed by their black weekend nanny decked in the all-white uniform many rich Brazilians make their domestic servants wear — went viral: because it captured what these protests were. And while these protests rightly denounced the corruption scandals inside PT — and there are many — they largely ignored the right-wing politicians drowning in far worse corruption scandals than Dilma.
Plainly, these were not anti-corruption marches but rather anti-democracy marches: conducted by people whose political views are a minority and whose preferred politicians lose when elections determine who leads Brazil. And, as intended, the new government is now attempting to impose an agenda of austerity and privatization that would never be ratified if the population had any say (Dilma herself imposed austerity measures after her 2014 re-election, after running on a campaign against them).
After yesterday’s huge news from Brazil, the evidence that these protests were a sham is now overwhelming. An oil executive and ex-senator from the conservative opposition party PSDB, Sérgio Machado, testified as part of his plea bargain that Michel Temer — Brazil’s “interim” president who conspired to get rid of Dilma — demanded 1.5 million reals in illegal kickbacks for the São Paulo mayoral campaign of his party’s candidate (Temer denies this). This comes on top of multiple other corruption scandals in which Temer is implicated, as well as a court-imposed eight-year ban on his running for any office (including the one he now occupies) due to violations of campaign spending laws.
And that’s all independent of how two of Temer’s new ministers were forced to resign after recordings revealed they were conspiring to kill the corruption investigation in which they are targets, including one who was Temer’s anti-corruption minister and another — Romero Jucá, one of Temer’s closest allies in Brasília — who now has been accused by Machado of receiving many millions in bribes. In sum, the person whom Brazilian elites — in the name of “anti-corruption” — installed to replace the democratically elected president is choking on multiple, overwhelming scandals of corruption.
But yesterday’s bombshell extended far beyond Temer, engulfing numerous other politicians who have been leading the impeachment charge against Dilma. Perhaps most significant is Aécio Neves, the center-right PSDB candidate whom Dilma defeated in 2014 and who, as a senator, is a leading advocate of her impeachment. Machado testified that Aécio — who also had been previously implicated in the corruption scandal — received and controlled 1 million reals in illegal campaign donations. To describe Aécio as central to the protesters’ worldview is an understatement. For over a year, they popularized the phrase “It’s not my fault: I voted for Aécio”; they even made T-shirts and bumper stickers proudly proclaiming this:
Evidence of pervasive corruption among Brazil’s political class — not only PT but far beyond it — continues to emerge, now engulfing those who undemocratically seized power in the name of combating it. But ever since the lower House vote on Dilma’s impeachment, the protest movement has disappeared. For some reason, the “Vem Pra Rua” (come to the streets) contingent is not out in the streets demanding Temer’s impeachment, or Aécio’s removal, or Jucá’s imprisonment. Why is that? Where have they gone?
One searches their website and Facebook pages in vain for any denunciation, let alone protest organizing, aimed at the deep, pervasive corruption of the “interim” government or any of the numerous politicians not on the left. They are still promoting what they hope will be a massive march on July 31, but that centers around Dilma’s impeachment, not Temer or any opposition leaders who have proven to be deeply corrupt. Their purported anger over corruption seems to begin — and end — with Dilma and PT.
In this regard, this protest movement is indeed representative of impeachment itself: It used corruption as the pretext for the anti-democratic end it sought to achieve. Whatever else is true, any process that results in the empowerment of people like Michel Temer, Romero Jucá, and Aécio Neves had many goals; anti-corruption was never one of them.
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Last month, Brazil’s first Pulitzer Prize winner, the photojournalist Mauricio Lima, denounced impeachment as a “coup” with the Globo TV network at its center. Last night, as a guest on Chelsea Handler’s Netflix show, Wagner Moura, arguably Brazil’s most popular actor, denounced it in similar terms, saying that domestic media coverage has been “extremely limited” because the Brazilian media “is owned by five families.”
UPDATE: Shortly after this article was published, it was announced that “interim” President Temer just lost his third minister to corruption in less than two months since he seized power: this time, this Tourism Minister Henrique Eduardo Alves, accused in Machado’s plea statement of receiving R$ 1.5 million in kickbacks from 2008 to 2014. If you’re going to take power undemocratically and use “corruption” as the pretext, it’s generally a bad idea to fill your new cabinet with criminals (and, for that matter, for the new president himself to be implicated in multiple layers of corruption).
This article is so intellectually dishonest that causes me chills. Using t shirts and the term coup to try making not valid an impeachment process that has major support from the population and it was run under supervision of all parties and powers, inclusive the supreme court. Of course it is super exciting to come up with a more conspiracy theory about what’s happening in Brazil but this year won’t go into history as a coup year. It will go as the year a highly inefficient and unpopular President with a disastrous hand over the macroeconomics lost the support of everyone, including the parties that elected her, and was replaced by another inefficient and unpopular vice president.
Thank you Glenn for keeping us updated about the political situation of Brazil, as a Latin American, I’m glad that you and The Intercept team are one of the few media who dare to report this. I hope that you and your team can report more about the political situation on Mexico as well
The outrage that TI has a political viewpoint and engages in advocacy is so cute.
As if the outraged commenters have never heard of the Wall Street Journal or Financial Times.
It appears that the mock-protests are not the only corruption leading the pack…
https://www.rt.com/sport/347108-russian-athletes-olympics-ban/
Tell me Washington isn’t in control…
BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS…
“As international media outlets reported, data showed that the protesters were not representative of Brazilian society but rather were disproportionately white and rich”
The protesters against the impeachment had exactly the same profile.
that’s true. Truth is, anyone far from it is too busy working, so they cannot protest. That’s why the elections are Sunday. That’s why there is elections, to begin with
Unhappy wingnuts below are distressed that Glenn Greenwald/The Intercept is reporting about Brazil:
The Intercept is not dedicated to “balanced reporting,” and has never claimed to be.
The sharp focus on Brazil isn’t going to end: Glenn Greenwald, David Miranda and Andrew Fishman all live in Brazil. Miranda was born there. All three speak Portuguese. Rather obviously, First Look Media has been pouring resources into it’s Brazilian coverage — it’s new, and does not yet offer global coverage. As far as I know, there’s no TI staff in Venezuela, or well-informed about that nation — yet.
Y’all are gonna have to get used to it. David Miranda is running for the City Council in Rio, and Glenn just spoke at his pre-launch event. This is a great video that tells us a lot about the values held by David Miranda and Glenn Greenwald. (It has English sub-titles.)
So, suck it up people. There’s gonna be a lot more coverage of Brazil in the weeks and years ahead. This site is dedicated to activist, adversarial journalism. Powerful factions and governments are going to get public scrutiny, and that’s going to make them and their defenders very, very unhappy. As we see in comments below.
Fibnally, Craig Summers virtually never has a “valid point.” He’s a far-right, torture-embracing authoritarian who spends a good deal of his time here posting endlessness whataboutery screeds, including constant whining about what Greenwald and other TI staff do *not write about.
He’s just gonna have to suck it up, too.
Almost every time I read one of your comments lately, I learn that Craig Summers is an authoritarian. You “just gonna have to suck it up, too” and let people read and think for themselves rather than trying to preempt another commenter’s every point based on one view or a subset of his views. It seems like you would say 2+2 does not equal 4 because CS said it. We all know authoritarians can’t do arithmetic, right?
I also sympathize with commenters complaining about “[t]he sharp focus on Brazil.” I know GG lives there. But I, like most U.S. residents, don’t give a rat’s ass what happens in Brazil. Furthermore, he’s made ONE f-ing point across two dozen articles: it’s not about corruption. OK ALREADY! New topic! Between that and all the mindless moaning about political hypocrisy, misplaced “Islamaphobia,” and other well-worn brands of liberal virtue-signaling, I don’t even know why I read him anymore. Force of habit, I guess. But I would certainly not become a new reader at this point, and commenters have every right to make that clear to GG without you telling them to suck it up. He is getting formulaic, literally.
I’ll never defend someone who excoriates torturers one day and runs errands for them the next, but I gotta say you missed something about yourself, American, when you said “But I, like most U.S. residents, don’t give a rat’s ass what happens in Brazil.” You, like most U.S. residents, don’t give a rat’s ass what happens in the U.S. either. Auto interessa e acima de tudo, ne?
Consistently in character, you state you don’t care about this country then spend time criticizing someone who does. Creepy, yes. But typically American.
I do care about what happens in the U.S. and Britain because I am a citizen of both and live in NY and London. So…
What? Ohhhhh, projection.
I criticized Mona for trolling CS like its her job and Glenn for writing the same article over and over again. I did not criticize anyone for caring about Brazil. Go ahead, read it again. Take your time.
Uh huh. Sounds like you think in stereotypes or something…whatever it is, the fundamental problem is obviously stupidity.
No thanks.
Again, no thanks. Craig has no “sub-set of views” that are not of-a-piece with his vicious authoritarianism.
Boo-fucking-hoo. Let me inform you that The Intercept is not the only source of news on the Internet — perhaps you should read elsewhere.
LOL. Dude, if you think Glenn Greenwald is about “virtue-signaling,” yeah, you should stop reading him.
Bye now.
Hey, thanks!
Who the f*** are you talking to?
I know it’s virtue-signaling because I read it (rather than worship it).
Bye!
That is incoherent: “I know they’re apples because the sky is blue (rather than grey and stormy).”
Are you being serious or are you trying to wind me up? You couldn’t possibly miss my meaning by that large a margin. The appropriate analogy (to the witted) would be “I know they’re apples because I ate one of them.”
I can judge for myself whether he engages in virtue signaling and will do so, even without your agreement. After today, I am starting to doubt your intellectual integrity for the first time because the mistakes are too blatant to be accidental. Maybe you’re just having a bad day, but you haven’t made a coherent retort in quite some time and seem to be purposely distorting others’ comments in a clear attempt to discredit them on the basis of your personal taste. That’s distasteful, Mona. :)
I understand Mona’s point here. Whenever I get disgusted with another poster complaining about America, I just tell them to “love it or leave it”. That has always worked wonders for me.
Dear Mona, 1st be aware that using abusive language does not get your point across more clearly or more forcefully, it just makes you appear frustrated.
Furthermore, you should at least have the courtesy to accept other people’s views, even if they are not aligned with yours, and EVEN if you find them exasperating. You don’t own this site so you don’t have the right to impose the rules. If you want to prevail, open your own site so you can use any language you like & kick out anyone you dislike. But here you’ll just have to “suck it up”, like the rest of us, as you rightly point out but for some abstruse reason seem to exclude yourself.
Apart from that, the fact that Glenn, David & Andrew live in Brazil & speak Portuguese is interesting to know but is of no relevance to the readers of TI. They report about not only Brazil but also about the US, Israel, and other places. The fact that they live in Brazil & speak Portuguese only makes them better placed to report about a left-wing government there too, or in any case it should. I don’t see that activist adversarial journalism does not include reporting about ANY issue that is of (potential) interest to their readers, including “irregularities” pertaining to right & left wing governments. In any case, that would make it more balanced and only contributes to their credibility, or rather TI’s credibility.
Even though you are not part of the TI team, you pretend to have inside knowledge of the way they report & what they are going to report about. Let me explain.
1. Balanced reporting: 1 of TI’s reporting styles is to point out the inconsistencies and/or bias in reporting by other news channels. TI corrects what is perceives as aberrations. Great. And that means that, contrary to your opinion, TI is dedicated to balanced reporting, even if the claim has never been made explicitly, it is there implicitly, all the time.
2. You state “There’s gonna be a lot more coverage of Brazil in the weeks and years ahead …… Powerful factions and governments are going to get public scrutiny …”. Unless I have missed something completely, as far as I know you are not TI’s spokesperson. So, apart from policing this site, you also pretend to have inside information. If you do have such info, I’d be very surprised if TI would want you divulge it considering you are not their spokesperson. If you don’t have such info, please be informed that your predictions of what will be reported by TI is totally irrelevant here, to put it mildly.
We all understand you are a strong proponent of TI, as are many others here, even some of the “wingnuts”. But, for goodness sake, keep things in proportion & don’t take yourself too seriously either. Life’s too short, so keep cool & be pleasant, that is a lot more impressive than telling others to go to hell.
I posted a more extensive reply to you, which for some unknown reason has been placed lower down.
It seems that ignoring and marginalizing protestors against Neoliberal authority is the new policy of the almost entirely Neoliberal press. CNN refused to cover a rather large demonstration recently, and it seems to be working to advance Neoliberal power.
Brazil is important on a geopolitical scale, the US wants to neutralize BRICS as an economic competitor. With India now firmly Neoliberal, capturing another BRICS country will pretty much sink the organization. Certainly no one in DC is the least bit concerned about corruption as it is one of their most effective and potent tools.
As for US involvement, the US represents an Empire with global reach but is not the Empire itself, there is no election anywhere on earth in which the Imperial US does not exert pressure and influence. After all, that is what Empires do.
For calibration: 1 million BR Reals = 389,000 USD.
Brazilian politics seem to emulate US to some extent. 2 deeply corrupt political camps that have a lot in common and true alternative so everyone is ‘free’ to pick one of the 2 criminal camps.
Seriously, shedding tear because one corrupt org was temporarily replaced by their rival? The scan can ONLY work if the 2 keep rotating in ‘power’, the way our DemoGOPs do.
Such a joy.
2 deeply corrupt political camps that have a lot in common and NO true alternative
(left the ‘no’ out in the post above)
Stan
“……..Tio Sam. I remind other, possibly more interested people, that there has never been a right wing coup in Latin America in the last century which did not involve Tio Sam. Nothing has suddenly changed……”
Was there anything in the transcripts published by Folha de São Paulo which suggested the the US was behind the “coup”? Do you have any evidence at all that the US was involved, Stan? Any?
“Brazilian media is owned by 5 families”
And this statement is exactly why real news agencies like The Intercept are needed. I think it’s great to see the related articles also appearing in local language.
Great job on this series.
ENDING CORRUPTION by PIRACY
Temer’s solution to corruption is to steal public utilities because then, what was once considered illegal payments becomes payment for private services.
GENOCIDE by ATTRITION aka AUSTERITY
To start with, Planning Minister Romero Juca announced that 4,000 jobs would be cut from the federal government payroll by the end of the year.
If the govt of by and for the people is not the guarantor of life support by being the employer of last resort, the governent could be a democracy in name only.
this is why China executes corrupt persons.
That recently fired Tourism Minister occupied the exact same position in Dilma’s cabinet since her reelection. Before that he was a loyal ally of the PT government as speaker of the lower house of Congress.
So, apart from being corrupt, he is also a turncoat. Nice piece of art.
So a third cabinet member is removed because of clear involvement in corruption. Isn’t that a good thing? Contrast to Dilma’s government: When it became clear that Lula was involved in corruption, she invited him to join the Cabinet. The new government is an improvement over the old one.
Okay, when is Temer going to be removed due to corruption?
Watching your speech about David Miranda was really quite uplifting – so he’s the secret of your famous resolve, eh? I don’t think most Americans know how much social apartheid and poverty still crushes countless lives in Brazil. Thanks for at least trying to retain the potent improvements there made over the past decade or so, especially in this incredibly complex and corrupted mess.
The picture of the ‘protesters’ with their servant trailing behind says it all, really.
Is very clear that you are a leftist and You don’t care if Brazilians are going hungry because of a bad government. Dilma was taking the money from Brazil and sending it to Cuba, Venezuela and others communist Countries. That is one of the “whys” she was impeached. Try to write something about you know and not about something that you were told about.
You are a joke! It’s a waste of time to try to argue with people like you.
Corruption is so endemic, and governance so poor that I wonder if it’s possible for Brazil to advance.
This would all be so funny if it weren’t so depressing.
Mr. Greenwald
“……To be sure, many former PT supporters turned against Dilma — with good reason — and PT itself has indeed been rife with corruption. But the protests were largely composed of the same factions who have long opposed PT……”
Interestingly enough, this was never reported by the Intercept during Rousseff’s reign. The Intercept only became interested in this story because the left wing (leaning) government was being ousted in favor of the right wing leaning government. Now the story is reported at the Intercept in at least in 1-2 articles a week. If democracy really mattered at the Intercept, someone at the Intercept would have covered the story about the recent roll-back of the incompetent leftist Venezuela democracy.
I also see there is nothing in this article about the US undermining the Brazilian democracy? I am fairly certain that I recognize the black weekend nanny in the photograph as a CIA agent.
You are such a fuckwit, Craig. You’re entirely aware that Glenn, David Miranda and Andrew Fishman all live in Brazil; the first two have for, respectively, 12 years and the other for his whole life. There’s clearly been some First Look resources put into covering the news in Brazil, which is not the case with Venezuela. No one connected to First Look lives or reports from there.
The Intercept is still growing. It can’t be a global presence with a snap of the fingers. It’s starting from where the founders and staff are located.
And as for this:
And this is bad why? The center-left party has been democratically elected in four straight elections, yet all of a sudden the corrupt right that cannot get elected is in power, with one cabinet member after another falling to corruption charges. That’s seems like a state of affairs journalists on the scene should cover.
Indeed, it is probable that The Intercept’s reporting has helped change the course of the whole political dynamic in Brazil. The five families who own the major media in Brazil lost control of the narrative largely because of The Intercept.
It won’t be surprising if The Intercept and its writers pick up some more applicable awards.
And that’s it for now. I go back to my usual habit of ignoring your fuckwittery.
Mona
“…….[The Intercept only became interested in this story because the left wing (leaning) government was being ousted in favor of the right wing leaning government] And this is bad why? ……” The statement you quoted from my post in brackets
Turning a blind eye to the corruption of a government you support for political reasons is good for exactly what reasons, Mona?
“…….The Intercept is still growing. It can’t be a global presence with a snap of the fingers. It’s starting from where the founders and staff are located…..”
That is total bullshit Mona. This has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with politics. The Intercept occasionally steps outside of its anti-American and anti-Israel agenda to report on other issues. For example Mackey reported on the anti-torture activist assaulted in Russia in an article. The Intercept ran a story attempting to undermine an American war hero, and you are trying to convince me that they just don’t have the manpower to report on piddly issues like the collapse of democracy in Venezuela and possibly as many as 60,000 people dying in Syria’s prisons?
If democracy means as much to Greenwald and Fishman as they say, then report on the roll-back of democracy by the left wing Venezuelan government which borders Brazil. After all, Venezuela is a hell of a lot closer to Brazil than Israel, right.
“…….It won’t be surprising if The Intercept and its writers pick up some more applicable awards…….”
Possibly Mona, but it was the media in Brazil which broke the story. This is the same media that Greenwald criticized (ironically enough) for not being “objective” enough.
“……..The transcripts were published by the country’s largest newspaper, Folha de São Paulo, and reveal secret conversations that took place in March, just weeks before the impeachment vote in the lower house was held. ……..”
Quit making excuses for the political agenda of the Intercept which has nothing to do with democracy.
Mona, I agree with Glenn’s views most of the time, and very often I also agree with your posts & replies to various other people.
But this time I differ & agree that craigsummers (cs) has a valid point: if The Intercept (TI) is really concerned about balanced reporting then, irrespective of which party is in power or who is corrupt or who carries out coups, it should be reported. Venezuela is a good case in point in that respect: Maduro has gone completely off his rocker & pushed the country off the economic & political cliff, and corruption is rife. So Venezuela would be an excellent place for some serious investigative journalism by TI. But there is none.
Your tirade against cs is not convincing as to why TI’s non-reporting about corruption within the PT is acceptable, and why it is unacceptable to point out such shortcoming.
You’re absolutely being disingenuous, Craig. You know damn well The Intercept does not report on the minor political scandals of every country on Earth. Something major had to be happening in this case: A soft coup attempt, on the one hand, and a local corporate media narrative that had to be set straight. The Intercept’s reporting has been invaluable in understanding what’s really going on in Brazil. Without it, all you’d get is the information that filters out of Brazil via Globo et al.
Yup. Authoritarians in both Brazil, and those like Craig here in the U.S., simply don’t like it. Hence, whining. With a strong component of fallacy-laden spewing.
Jose
It has been awhile Jose. It is nice to see you back. I always enjoyed your comments (albeit disagree with them!).
There is nothing disingenuous about it at all Jose. What is disingenuous is the sudden interest in Brazilian politics when the left wing government is being ousted. This is just politics couched in a sudden love for “democracy”. There never was a story by the Intercept about the corruption in the Rousseff government (which Greenwald has admitted on numerous occasions). Corruption, in itself, is a threat to democracy. How can he not see that? Greenwald, Miranda and Fishman all lived there at the time, yet no stories. Zero, Zilch. The moral of the story is corruption is fine when it occurs among political allies.
If the shoe was on then other foot, and a right wing government was being ousted in a “coup”, do you for one minute believe that Greenwald would have even covered the story (except to pile on the corruption of the right wing government)? I am confident that the answer would be emphatically NO.
If democracy really mattered to Greenwald, someone on his staff of thirty journalists would have covered the story in Venezuela – a deteriorating democracy on the border of Brazil . Don’t be fooled by Greenwald. It’s all about politics – not about democracy. He is opposed to the neoliberal agenda and American involvement in the disastrous economy of Brazil which he stated in a previous article (while throwing out the idea falsely that the US might have underpinned the “coup”).
And by the way, what does that say about David Miranda running for office in Rio? He has written on this subject at different times for Greenwald at the Intercept and at the Guardian ( a solo article). Where was he when PT was awash in corruption before the impeachment? He is simply playing party politics – and apparently finds the corruption in the Rousseff government acceptable.
RCL
… they largely… no, they completely ignored the right-wing politicians drowning in far worse corruption scandals than Dilma. And they continue to ignore this reality after getting what they were told to want: more corruption.
But I understand why you note the PT’s corruption, and rightly so.
Do you even read Brazilian’s newspaper? The scandals under investigation are putting in jail the white-rich-people in jail. The reason for PT is in focus is that they were the leaders of the corruptions that are under investigations right now. Aécio Neves is under investigations, PMDB’s (Temer’s party) congressmen and senators are under investigations. Nobody was expecting that Temer would be our savior, but the corruption system estabilished for PT’s party is so big and complex that many politicians of “rival’s partys” are involved. That’s why this corruption scheme took many years to be investigated. Nobody wants Temer leasing our country, nobody thinks he’s the solution to our problem, but we couldn’t stand any damage anymore.
And this article is only talking about the unhappy crowds protedting, not the popular opinion. I’d like the author of this article to show that Dilma didn’t commited crime, ’cause that’s the reason she has been removed from presidencial chair.
The truth is what matters, not the polemics or politics. Facts, not subjective opinions.
About the nanny: funny how most people, leftists included, say they want to defend the poor, provided the poor don’t actually get a name and a voice. However, “Extra”, a newspaper from Rio usually read by lower economic strata, actually found her and made a short interview. Her name is Maria Angélica Lima, and she supports the demonstrations, although said she wouldn’t go by herself since it’s too distant from where she lives. She declared she voted for Aécio Neves in 2014, so forget the whole “class struggle” narrative, something that a lot of times is just a masquerade for middle class people pretending to speak for the masses. She also said she felt “exposed” by the circulation of the picture, so maybe Greenwald would want reconsider resorting to using it.
Concerning the nanny uniform, I always found them at best tacky and at worst somewhat oppressive, but she said she actually preferred it, since it’s provided by the boss and she doesn’t have to use her own clothes.
The interview with Angélica (not “the nanny”): http://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/o-pobre-que-sofre-diz-angelica-baba-de-foto-polemica-em-manifestacao-rv1-1-18876978.html
Really great comment and the first sentence especially is spot on. And I’ll just add that this is the second time GG has used this photo (since he already wrote essentially the same article).
It wont change things. Temer is there to stay. With respect to orchestarted protests and their close relative Colour Revolutions” I’m also wondering about theanti Maduro demos in Venezuela. Dont seem to occur in Honduras….Wonder why?
Over time I’ve read conflicting things about race in Brazil. I’ve seen some people try to convince me that racism isn’t even a thing in Brazil, that color doesn’t even matter, while others make it sound as bad if not worse than the U.S. Not having been there, I honestly have no idea what the truth is.
Depends.
That pic is somewhat emblematic about this. To some, it is a racebait the left uses create a problem where there isnt.. To others is the evidence of segregation the right refuses to recognize.
Do you find the white couple with the black nanny racist?
If you dont, then you are with many that thinks there isnt a problem.
If you think it is racist, then you are with many in Brazil that think there is a problem.
After this picture went viral, the nanny gave an interview to a newspaper stating what she thinks about it. I couldnt find the original, but it is in this video between 0:52 ~ 2:53. https://youtu.be/PwWvRy9u670
I just posted a comment here talking about this interview. This is the link: http://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/o-pobre-que-sofre-diz-angelica-baba-de-foto-polemica-em-manifestacao-rv1-1-18876978.html
No. Greenwald explicitly identified what the value of that photograph is: “it captured what these protests were.”
Ok, fine. I never meant to say what was Glenn’s or anyone’s view on this.
I just stated that many in Brazil who believe there is a racial problem used the photo as a symbol of a blatant yet subtle inequality issue based historicaly on colour happening here.
Uh-uh. I find it emblematic of the class divisions that, as Glenn has been trying to explain, drive the phony “anti-corruption” protests that accompanied the coup that drove the elected president from office.
That might be why it went viral, dontcha think?
You are ascribing attributes to the yellow and green clad protesters that aren’t there. Voce sabe que, como voce, auto interessa e a unica enteressa para eles. Muita genta aqui da classe media tem uma adiccao velha ao escavidao, e as criancas no foto estao recebendo uma dosagem interia. For all their faults, the evil esquerdistas were causing some racist and comfortable Brazilians to suffer withdrawal symptoms. They didn’t like that one bit. Many others, who work very hard and pay taxes for little in return, were simply fooled by their TV sets like so many Americans I’ve known.
You and Wnt are using a lot of words to say nothing.
What has occurred is a coup perpetrated by the most corrupt people in Brazil — people who think they are sophisticated now (not the crudely transparent banana republicans they are) and who assumed they did not require martial law with its requisite and unphotogenic mass killings and torture, as they did in the 1960s, to achieve success. Globo helped them incite the people who you imply have concerns about something more than themselves. It did not work on everyone here. This concerns you. This is why you swirl BS about it. (It reminds me of B. Clinton’s “what is is” crap.)
Corruption is a Brazilian thing. It infects all classes and all political parties including the PT. The coup’s intent was to reward Brazil’s most comfortable and corrupt people and protect them from these outrageous Lava Jato prosecutions, the likes of which Brazil has never seen in its history as a nation state. It was a coup executed with the full approval and some helpful advice from the golpista’s relatively more corrupt ally, Tio Sam. I remind other, possibly more interested people, that there has never been a right wing coup in Latin America in the last century which did not involve Tio Sam. Nothing has suddenly changed.
“You and Wnt are using a lot of words to say nothing. ”
I did not say anything.
Wtn said he didn’t know whether there is or not a racial problem in Brazil, and given this is rather controversial question, I just presented the 2 major interpretations that this picture had regarding a racial issue in Brazil linked with the respective opinion group on the racial issue. Most lefts think that there is and most rights think that there isn’t. I did not say anything.
eu busco informação de todos lados e confirmo na Globo MANIPULAÇÂO CONTRA o PT . a Globo trasmite ser militantes do PSDB (FHC,Serra ,Aecio ) Como pode a Globo dizer q esta e’ a maior CORRUPÇÂO do Brasil (!!!) Onde deixan a denuncia feita x Paulo Francis contra a CORRUPÇÂO da PB na epoca do Gov de FHC e Jose Serra !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (1996) A PB extorque desde 1948 ao POVO Br https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dyh6-YSXBs!!!
O Paulo Francis não denunciou a corrupção da Petrobras somente na época do governo FHC.
A crítica dele é devido a Petrobras ser uma empresa estatal, e que por ser uma empresa estatal, está e estará sempre fadada a corrupção.
Esta crítica sobre a Petrobras remonta desde a época do regime militar. A corrupção na nova república é somente a continuidade. Novos comandantes, mas mesma espoliação.
“Whatever else is true, any process that results in the empowerment of someone like Michel Temer, Romero Jucá and Aécio Neves had many goals; anti-corruption was never one of them.”
Do you think protesters were more concerned in putting an opposition candidate (consequentialist) than ousting Dilma and PT to trial due their crimes (deontological) ?
Or are you stating that before impeaching a president we should consider who’s gonna assume to see if it is worth – i.e. we shouldn’t impeach a – let’s say – mild criminal to empower a worse one? Isn’t that an appeal to hypocrisy, a tu quoque? Aren’t the corrupts corrupt nonetheless?
He’s implying they should impeach one and the other.
If you’re right then his(intercept) coup narrative is debunked.
If he believes both of them should be impeached, Dilma’s impeachment can’t be a coup.
No. Dilma’s impeachment — And for what? She’s not personally charged with corruption — was driven by a pretext, namely “corruption.” The drivers do not give an actual shit about corruption – except to prevent their having to answer for their own — and are even more corrupt than any in the PT party.
The judicial system should go full speed ahead to prosecute corrupt politicians, but corruption should not be used as a pretext to install a government that cannot win elections. That it has been is what makes this a coup.
I clearly put the “if” clause. If Glenn’s, yours or Intercept’s opinion is not that both should be impeached then you can dismiss what follows.
But then again, just to clarify, Dilma’s impeachment was not driven by bribery or embezzlement type of corruption. She’s on trial because of budgetary wrongdoing, such as overspending on welfare aiming to boost her rankings and omitting it from treasury, i.e. creative accounting, yet another type of corruption nonetheless.
And I agree; judicial system should go full speed and take no prisoners. About the new government, anyone can file an impeachment in the congress for the new government. Surely there are a lot of lawyers disgusted with Temer that can write the piece and file it. I don’t know about Glenn, but if he already has Brazilian citizenship he can do it.
That’s not “corruption” by any reasonable standard. The Executive dinking around with the budget goes on everywhere, all the time. Based on what it seems huge numbers of other Brazilian politicians have been doing — enriching themselves through fraud, kickbacks and all manner of shady financial bullshit — Dilma is a Girl Scout tending toward nun.
Reasonable would be asking congress permission to overspend, as the law commands.
That quotation marks on corruption, well, that says a lot about how you perceive an ethical and lawful administration.
Anyways, you guys should do a report about the process on TSE (electoral court) regarding the 2014 election accounting of the Dilma/Temer candidacy. It can destitute both of them if lava jato findings prove there’s corruption money spent on their campaign.
http://www.tse.jus.br/imprensa/noticias-tse/2016/Junho/negados-recursos-do-pmdb-na-aime-761-e-representacao-846
hey…. RED FLAG MOMENT !!!
what Dilma did is SERIOUS S**T !!! dont try to minimize this !!! we are talking about overspending BILLIONS… and during re-election !!!
she is guilty ! because others did it before doesn’t make it right !
if you want to discuss the endemic corruption in Brazil, I agree that right and left, marxist or neoliberal, gay or strait… they are all most probably dirty. but to say that Dilma is clean from this all is almost offensive.
and….let’s also talk about COMPETENCE. a simple thought for you:
if you had to get a triple bypass heart surgery, wouldn’t you want the very best cardiac surgeon to work on you ?
so why should you expect that Brazil should limit their expectations in having a horrible idiotic poorly prepared half drugged imbecile for president ? Why cant Brazil have a well prepared competent person commanding the country ?
Neither she or Temer have been charged with corruption, but there are concrete and credible accusations of huge corruption against both. This narrative of her being innocent or less corrupt is fabricated. She has been at the epicenter of corruption – Petrobras and PT – for the entire time.
Brazil lacks mechanisms, that are present in the US, to ensure the fruits of corruption are passed around equally to all political parties. As a result, its politicians fall into unseemly squabbles, attacking each other for corruption. This is counter-productive and the economy of Brazil has been tanking. So it is time to introduce some reforms.
The first reality that must be acknowledged, is that no politician is philosophically opposed to corruption, but only demands a fair opportunity to wet his or her beak. One party winning four straight elections is obviously excessive. It gives an unfair advantage to the politicians of that party, and they will obviously try and exploit that situation to line their own pockets. So the elections need to be better managed, as in the US, to ensure a fairer alternation of power.
Second, the quid pro quo must be eliminated. In an age when all telephone conversations are recorded, it simply looks bad when recordings are made public showing politicians selling their votes. This isn’t hard – the various actors just have to learn to incorporate code phrases, such as, “you won’t regret this”, “I remember my friends”, or “I’d pay a political price for doing that”. It comes down to building trust and knowing you will eventually be properly rewarded.
Thirdly, it is important that all politicians be equally corrupt, since otherwise you provide the people with leverage to play one politician against another. True equality is an ideal of course – there will always be politicians such as Mrs. Clinton who are benchmarks of excellence. But other politicians understand they if they show the same zeal for giving speeches to Goldman Sachs, they too will be rewarded.
I wish Brazil success as they make the necessary reforms and hope they will emerge a stronger and more modern political entity.
“True equality is an ideal of course – there will always be politicians such as Mrs. Clinton who are benchmarks of excellence.”
It is both sad and disappointing that you put Mrs. Clinton and “excellence” in the same sentence.
That’s an oxymoron.
Not quite.
Please take into account that while Hillary has many detractors, her tenure as New York’s Senator is well acclaimed and earned her love from that state – undoubtedly, New York’s praise for her played a vital role on her race against Sanders. She’s wouldn’t be my choice either, but it is undeniable that a lot of people love her.
And Bill Clinton was one damn good president, despite some people also criticizing him. Even during his scandals, a lot of people remained on his side.
“… a lot of people remained on his side.”
Being loved by a lot of evil people is hardly an endorsement.
He was a terrible president. He began the expansion of NATO towards Russia’s borders, breaking promises to do no such thing, he repealed Glass-Stegall, and took food stamps from people who needed them and gave them to investment bankers installing their fourth bathroom in their fifth house, he executed the final shipments of the US’ manufacturing base to China, and he did a great deal of harm by continuing the ongoing militarization of civil police organizations. He also killed half a million children in Iraq during an undeclared war.
Admittedly, I used to be guilty of voting for one of the two available lessers. I was evil because I voted for him and have no excuses for what I did. I finally learned my lesson (and have been tortured for doing so). You?
@ RN
Read it one time…I’m sure you’ll get the sarcasm the second time around.
What I found to be hilarious was he put Mrs Clinton’ and ‘benchmark’ in the same sentence. That’s way too funny, don’t you think. It’s a sort of a double
entendre…funny stuff.
Yup.
Yup.
Is everyone in Brazil like the Clintons? Here are two politicians who had less than $200,000 in their bank account when they first showed up from a poor rural state. But today they are multi-millionaires. They have cashed in on their political power. Converted political power to financial power. That’s the difference between a politician and a public servant. Or the difference between Hillary and Sanders. One is in it for self-aggrandizement.
“Is everyone in Brazil like the Clintons?”
Of course not. I know a woman with more integrity in her little left toe than the sum total possessed by all of the middle class soccer jersey wearing pro-corruption demonstrators I saw in Sampa’s streets several weeks ago.
She is a maid.