Since the vote on the United Kingdom’s European Union membership was an advisory rather than a mandatory referendum, it is not legally binding.
In the first hours after the British public voted to exit the European Union, amid all sorts of triumphal statements and recriminations, one declaration was notably absent: the formal notification to the EU that the United Kingdom intends to leave the organization, which is required to start the clock on negotiations for a departure.
Prime Minister David Cameron, who led the failed campaign to convince voters to stay in the EU, told the public that an exit would not happen soon, as he intended to resign in three months and leave it to his successor to decide “when to trigger Article 50″ of the union’s basic agreement, the Lisbon Treaty, which says that a member state has two years after declaring its desire to leave to negotiate the terms of its exit.
Has Article 50 been invoked yet?https://t.co/1KDUmj2afq
— David Allen Green (@DavidAllenGreen) June 24, 2016
Speaking to the press a short time later, the man considered most likely to be prime minister in October, Boris Johnson, the former mayor of London, also seemed in no hurry to get the process started.
“In voting to leave the EU, it is vital to stress that there is no need for haste,” Johnson said, “and indeed, as the prime minister has just said, nothing will change over the short term, except that work will have to begin on how to give effect to the will of the people and to extricate this country from the supranational system.”
Given that the popular mandate his side had just won was summed up in a single word on the backdrop behind him, “Leave,” it seemed odd that Johnson made no mention of the fastest way to get that process started, by pressing for an immediate Article 50 declaration.
Boris Johnson: "There is no need to invoke article 50."
— CNBC International (@CNBCi) June 24, 2016
That fact did not escape observers in other parts of Europe, like the former foreign minister of Sweden Carl Bildt.
Watching UK TV I find it striking how leading Brexit figures don't really want to trigger mechanism to leave the UK. Trying to delay.
— Carl Bildt (@carlbildt) June 24, 2016
The reason could be that Johnson has something very different in mind: a negotiated compromise that would preserve most of the benefits of EU membership for British citizens and businesses but still satisfy the popular will to escape the attendant responsibilities and costs.
Boris Johnson says UK won't "pull up the drawbridge", starting the tricky task of telling people who voted for this that they can't have it.
— Robert Hutton (@RobDotHutton) June 24, 2016
"Boris Johnson said the result would not mean "pulling up the drawbridge"." He is assuming the hinge is on our side. #Brexit
— Farah Mendlesohn (@effjayem) June 24, 2016
In this context, it is important to keep two things in mind. First, it was Johnson himself who suggested, when he joined the Leave campaign in February, that a vote to depart could be used as a stick to negotiate not a full departure from the EU, but a better deal for the U.K. “There is only one way to get the change we need, and that is to vote to go, because all EU history shows that they only really listen to a population when it says ‘No,’” Johnson wrote then. “It is time to seek a new relationship, in which we manage to extricate ourselves from most of the supranational elements.”
Second, as the legal blogger David Allen Green has explained clearly, the measure Britons just voted for “was an advisory not a mandatory referendum,” meaning that it is not legally binding on the government. No matter who the prime minister is, he or she is not required by the outcome to trigger Article 50. And, despite what senior figures in the EU and its other states might say, there is no way for them to force the U.K. to invoke Article 50.
First full business day after Brexit vote comes to an end.
— David Allen Green (@DavidAllenGreen) June 24, 2016
No Article 50 notification.
Get used to this...
Brexit, Article 50, and the start of a political stalemate
— David Allen Green (@DavidAllenGreen) June 24, 2016
New post by me, at @FT: https://t.co/FAfHuKZnej pic.twitter.com/0rlbVqwUct
Most significant political event today was something which did not happen.
— David Allen Green (@DavidAllenGreen) June 24, 2016
No Article 50 notification.
And now less likely every day.
What all this means in practice is that, while it would be political suicide for any leader to try to avoid acting to satisfy the popular will expressed at the ballot box, there is some wiggle room for a new government to try to find a compromise arrangement that would satisfy a larger share of the population than just the slim majority of voters who demanded separation.
As he makes up his mind on whether to seek the premiership and considers how to appeal to the nearly half of the British population that wanted to stay in the EU, Johnson did not have to go far to get a sense of the seething outrage in parts of the country, like London, that voted overwhelmingly against leaving. Walking out of his home on Friday, Johnson was booed and jeered by some of his neighbors, who chanted, “scum” and “traitor.”
Boris leaves his house to crowds shouting 'scum' #EUref @LBC pic.twitter.com/V4hhXG18v3
— Charlotte Wright (@LBC_Charlotte) June 24, 2016
He might also have caught his father, Stanley Johnson, appearing on television on Friday to discuss the results, wearing a T-shirt with the word “Remain” on it, making it clear that even within the politician’s own family, pro-Europe sentiment was strong.
“He is going to, I hope, put his name forward as one of the possible candidates” says Stanley Johnson https://t.co/SnbIRIDDcU
— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) June 24, 2016
Then there is also the fact that, as Matthew Parris notes in a column on the bizarre politics of what comes next in London’s Times, “About 160 of the 650 MPs elected last year want Britain to leave the EU. The overwhelming majority of Westminster MPs believes that leaving would be a mistake. Many believe it would be a very grave mistake. Not a few believe it would be calamitous.” Because of that, Parris observes, “Our experiment in direct democracy is hurtling towards our tradition of representative democracy like some giant asteroid towards a moon.”
Given that a two-thirds majority of the current Parliament opposes leaving the EU, Parris suggested, a new general election next year was almost inevitable, further delaying even the start of the process.
While it is hard to predict just what the mood in the country might be then, there were also signs on Friday of an ugly current of xenophobia inspired by the Leave campaign’s rhetoric against immigration that a new prime minister will have to reckon with.
Retired builder in Barnsley says he voted to "send them foreigners home." Tough time to be a migrant.
— Ciaran Jenkins (@C4Ciaran) June 24, 2016
Just arrived at a 78% Muslim school. White man stood making victory signs at families walking past. This is the racism we have legitimised.
— Dr Karen Bateson (@KarenJBateson) June 24, 2016
After the financial markets reacted to the vote for a British exit from the EU as predicted, with a sharp drop in the value of the British pound, some Leave voters instantly regretted their decisions.
Been hearing people like this all day, and they're making me just more angry pic.twitter.com/NW9sfH3XWd
— Sunny Hundal (@sunny_hundal) June 24, 2016
With leave voters in Manchester for BBCNews -most told us they woke up thinking "what have I done?" & didn't actually expect the uk to leave
— Louisa Compton (@louisa_compton) June 24, 2016
Meanwhile, other senior figures in the Leave campaign started to retreat from central elements of their platform — like the promise that money saved on EU membership dues would be used to shore up the National Health Service and there would be a halt in the flow of migrant workers from abroad.
WATCH: @Nigel_Farage tells @susannareid100 it was a 'mistake' for Leave to claim there'd be £350M a week for NHShttps://t.co/JNkl5k8IlK
— Good Morning Britain (@GMB) June 24, 2016
.@evanHD isn't happy with this potential change of tone on freedom of movement...#brexit #newsnight https://t.co/VKnfMz70ke
— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) June 24, 2016
So, as the BBC explained concisely, at this stage it remains entirely possible that the deal eventually worked out could result in an association agreement that is not all that different from full membership in the EU.
On the other side of the negotiating table, though, will be European leaders eager to ensure that a deal with the British is not so favorable for the defectors that it might encourage separatists in other nations.
.@mrjamesob brilliantly comparing Gove & Johnson attitude to Europe to that bloke that dumps you but wants to continue shagging.
— Natasha Devon (@NatashaDevonMBE) June 24, 2016
Top photo: Boris Johnson got stuck on a zip line in 2012 while waving Union Jacks to promote the London Olympics.
An unusually poor article for The Intercept.
The Remain campaign was characterised by scare stories and personal insults (“Xenophobe”, “Racist”), some of which have found their way into this article. The core of the Leave campaign was to point out, correctly, that the EU is fundamentally anti-democratic in nature.
What we now have from the Remain side is a massive outpouring of sour grapes; an unwillingness to accept the result of a democratic process. From EU enthusiasts, perhaps this was only to be expected, but it disappointing to see it in The Intercept nevertheless.
yeah…that’s why juncker immediately said “okay we get it; now hurry the fuck up and leave”.
that’s why the germans said they couldn’t care less and will still trade with the uk.
that’s why cameron resigned and corbyn is about to face a challenge he’s not quite prepared for from the fifth column of blairite twats he should have sent packing on day one.
for all your sore arsed whining about the “slim majority” (if it had been 51/49 for remain you’d have called it a goddamn landslide) and how the exit will end the world as we know it, you seem to gloss over the fact that the eu needs britain more than vice versa.
but fine: go ahead and test the populace. prove them right about the whole “non-democratic” thing. see if they grab their ankles and take it without lube like the greeks did. and then write another 40 articles of drivel about how it’s someone else’s fault. how YOU know what’s better for several million people then they do. see how that works out, you berk.
I say old chap, shouldn’t you be writing about lizards and flying saucers. Do you even understand grammar? P.S. I followed your crazy link to this website
P**K and copy and paste.
Toodle-oo
Your readership are idiots the people posting are idiots the people write in the columns are idiots. I suspect they are one and the same.
They are no longer in the EU. The Eastern European’s are working in low paid jobs below the minimum wage and they are claiming in-work benefits they are working as sandwich makers caretakers roadsweepers and cleaners for agencies. They cannot be cut off immediately. All the alcoholics on the street that come from Eastern Europe the ones you see all over London come for the free money to buy alcohol they cannot be left in limbo. Housing benefit cannot suddenly be cut off. Child benefit cannot suddenly be cut off.
Leaving the EU cannot be done immediately companies have contracts that must be fulfilled. And so on and so on and so on.
You have no readership because you are idiots.
england for the engrish?
as i’ve said to other folks on here – if you want to call people idiots you should work on your grammar and spelling. i can’t stress this enough; maybe write it down on a post-it or something.
Misspelling and improper grammar used to bother me until I realized a couple of things. Many readers and/or commenters who frequent this site are not natural speakers of English, so a little latitude is necessary to be fair. When involving oneself in the discourse, isn’t it more important that we understand one another than to be correcting them like a schoolchild? Speaking of school, grammar and spelling do not seem to be stressed as much today as in decades past. My comment to you should not be taken as an endorsement of Phillip’s rant, just a call for mercy.
Uh…Philip comes across as a native English soccer yob…not an immigrant with a halting vocabulary.
Brexit was a put on: most of the voters didn’t know that the referendum has no legal substance. If it was about anything, it was a very clumsy would-be negotiating tool to get a better deal with the EU. The UK government could legally extend negotiations into the next century.
Hahahahahahahahahaha! The world goes nuts and yet..here is the reality:
quote”Second, as the legal blogger David Allen Green has explained clearly, the measure Britons just voted for “was an advisory not a mandatory referendum,” meaning that it is not legally binding on the government. “unquote
Hahahahahahahahaha… hohohohohohoohoho … heehehehehaahahahahah!
Cue Barnum for his front stage ROTFIGSL.
btw… ROTFIGSL = ROLLING ON THE FLOOR IN GUT SPLITTING LAUGHTER ..which is what any person with 2 neurons between their ears is doing.
quote”So, as the BBC explained concisely, at this stage it remains entirely possible that the deal eventually worked out could result in an association agreement that is not all that different from full membership in the EU.”unquote
Any one who thinks the .01% of jolly old England is going to let a bunch of upstarts voting to force a change on the Financial entities that have controlled England for a 1000 years, is a fucking idiot.
Robert Mackey,
I am a little surprised by the lack of coverage of pre-referendum media commentary and poll results to contrast the post-referendum sour grapes.
The success of the Leave vote underscores both the blatant agenda-eering and lack of credibility with the main stream media.
Why should we believe tales of racism and remorse, from all those chuckle heads, as representative of the Leave movement?
All day yesterday it sounded like the sky was falling? WTF? Wow, the queens subjects voiced their opinions. They have no value. They are all fools! Its up to the queen and if she won’t benefit from the separation the separation will not happen, period. Why all the bullshit on tv and radio? None of the hype matches the reality………
Non of this makes sense?
Bingo! Johnny, what prize do we have behind the curtain for Phil?
“In voting to leave the EU, it is vital to stress that there is no need for haste,” Johnson said. Exactly the same attitude as before Brexit, one foot in and one out.
It’s a happy day for Europe. A sad day for all young people in the UK. An insult from Farage to Mrs. Cox and more right wing extremism to come. After 40 years of obstruction the UK left the EU. The EU now has the chance to reform what’s definitely necessary. Difficult yes, but without the UK much more possible.
Every Leave Voter forgot what the EU not is (war, high tuition fees for all EU students, borders, US income inequality, shit healthcare systems et cetera). You fight to keep this all and solve problems together instead in splendid isolation behind an illusionary Trump style wall. It’s sad that the primary driver for the Brexit is immigration since the UK itself bombs away in the Middle East which is the MAJOR CAUSE for that same immigration. A Brexit won’t solve this, but the (extreme) right always make great use of immigration and bombs to gain political power as history teaches.
The economy of the UK is highly dependent on the financial industry, now cut off by Brexit and so Frankfurt will take over from London. Scotland will have a referendum soon for independence and this time it will work. This day will be marked in history as a mistake for the UK and a win for Europe. Therefore a smaller UK will come back one day, on new terms.?
What Great Britain does is their affair. They will prosper or be poorer for their actions. However, if one wants a new “Continental” or “World” Order that leaves real or perceived more losers than winners expect some Nationalistic blowback.
An Order where elites and corporations rule and well educated technocrats prosper while the average man is reduced to service/servitude low pay and immigration exceeds assimilation and opportunity, expect a hard sell. If the issue of new Order is pushed badly killing creativity and rights it will end badly.
Here in the USA it is not just bad policy but damn dangerous to bring about left or right extremes that ignore our Constitution. The end result will probable not be May Day but “Seven Days In May.” Either of these outcomes are extremely undesirable. I suggest we return to a Constitutional Republic.
Muslim jihadi folks are not happy with brexit vote. Their terrorist friends from Turkey won’t be able to enter UK so easily in future. Among all the jihadis the Paki ones are the biggest nuisance, followed by the Desi ones from B’desh. Below is one example.
Sadiq Khan will tell the 1 million Europeans who live in London that they remain welcome in the wake of Britain’s decision to leave the European Union when he addresses the capital’s Pride event.
The London mayor is expected to say: “We are grateful for the enormous contribution you make, and that will not change as a consequence of yesterday’s referendum result.”
Don’t forget ze Germans … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oK_trZhVdk
So which EU official is going go all Saint Abraham Lincoln on them and free the crony banksters in the City of London from the slavery of reduced tariffs on carry trades that the peasant racist mobs in the backwater hinterlands just re-imposed on them?
Since neither side in this battle is particularly appealing (just like neither side in US Civil War), the right of peaceful and democratic secession should be honored.
Right now in the entire EU only France has a few dilapidated nukes. So in the near future when Iran attacks Germany with their brand new shining jihadi nukes the Nasty Nazis will have to request help from UK. They may even have to request Kim jong un to bail them out with some of his fake nukes.
Incorrect, the US has nuclear sharing agreements in place across Europe. There are well over 100 warheads waiting for just such a contingency in Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, and Italy.
There is no sharing agreement for any of the nukes. Those folks just provide parking space. What we park there and how we use it is entirely our business.
On the bright side, I doubt the Union Jack will give up their seat on the United Nations Security Council anytime soon … so there’s that.
As a general rule I’m for inclusiveness and unity … unity of family, of tribe, of city-state, of nation state … and the whole wide world.
(that is; every alliance, treaty, pact or memorandum of understanding organized for the purpose of unity being conducive to changing strangers into friends and enemies into associates.)
Make no mistake, this is not some vague pious hope based on ignorant emotionalism: whether we like it or not, we have become on integral community.
Nor does it seek … “to stifle the flame of a sane and intelligent patriotism in men’s hearts or abolish the system of national autonomy so essential if the evils of excessive centralization are to avoided. It does not ignore, nor does it attempt to suppress the diversity of ethnic origins, of climate, of history, of language and tradition, of thought and habit, that differentiate the peoples and nations of the world. It calls for a wider loyalty … it insists upon the subordination of national impulses and interests to the imperative claims ofr a unified world. It repudiates excessive centralization on one hand, and disclaims all attempts at uniformity on the other. It’s watch-word is unity in diversity … “
This is also ISIS philosophy, to unify the entire world under the Black Flag of their prophet and their Allah.
I can assure you it’s a shortcut to the next apocalypse.
UK’s EU commissioner to resign BBC news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629646
“What is done cannot be undone”
Some people in Europe are understandably alarmed by the threat internationalization poses to the welfare state and civil rights. First, the mobility of capital must be met by a mobility of labor, so state investments are made in the interest of capital, not labor. Second, as Hannah Arendt has pointed out, the fundamental rights of man are guaranteed by the nation-state — outside the nation state there is nobody left to guarantee them. The push to undermine these fundamental guarantees in favor of the murky world of “global citizenship” — where only the powerful have rights and criminality has free reign — is the miscegenation of an overly incestuous press.
Particularly with regards to immigration, the British may not be as motivated by racism as is frequently posited. In fact, the United Kingdom is quite different from other European countries in not following a strict integration policy. In government as in civil life, continental Europe does not provide such a wide-range of individual and cultural expression as is apparent in the United Kingdom. It is no surprise that immigrants from outside the European union are more upwardly mobile than in other European countries.
Moreover, that so many immigrants in Calais, etc., are eager to leave continental Europe for the United Kingdom suggests that whatever guarantees the European Union provides, they pale in comparison.
It would be a pity to sacrifice that on the altar of supranationalism — even with all the attendant benefits the vast mobility of labor provides to capital.
Some may contend, the rights of man can only be guaranteed with the barrel of a firearm.
Hannah Arendt may be wrong.
No, first we must get back to making, buying, and selling LOCALLY. Fuck environmentally destructive international trade, which has the added detriment of creating more materialistic hyperconsumers. Modern humans need to consume a lot less, that’s far more important than any of these issue except for a major war.
The joke is that while Brits fret about losing visa-free travel after two years due to a referendum, people in the U.S. don’t even recall that they lost visa-free travel to Canada, and much of the commerce that used to come from Canada. And we never HAD a referendum. Hell, I don’t even think there was a vote in Congress! Some security officials supposedly found one guy trying to drive into Washington with a jar of nitroglycerin rolling around in the back of his car and that was it, end 3000 miles of open border with a like-minded neighbor. And now people don’t even remember, because it’s none of their business.
So the “slim majority” will be bamboozled by Boris without any blowback against his betrayal. German austerity to bail out bankster parasites will be peacefully accepted as a worthwhile endeavor for which the populace will sacrifice every shred of dignity. That’s the same Eurocrat mindset that yielded the Holocaust.
The establishment has an array of easy ‘outs,’ unfortunately – and neither they nor parts of the Remain camp are genuinely accepting this result as binding, despite the melodramatic cries from all opposed that the sky is falling and it’s uncle Fred’s (and aunt Ethel’s) fault for reading tabloids.
Greece apparently has had two similar referenda, and both times the electorate eventually ended up voting in candidates who *ignored* the advisory votes, and this is one way the establishment might undo (or postpone endlessly) the exit process – while simultaneously propagandizing the British populace into a more submissive state regarding the system.
Already there is a suspicious push for a second referendum, which has far passed the threshold to get Parliamentary attention.
All the government has to do is continue to steadily publicly shame and sow uncertainty in the Leavers (as it is currently doing), while also excusing – or delaying indefinitely – the lack of invoking Article 50 by constantly evidencing an extreme lack of MPs who presently support leaving.
Even if this stubbornness and refusing of the will of the people initiates another comprehensive election, the establishment is likely to pursue this sort of path, in my opinion, as it gives them the time and the means to quell and ultimately dissipate all the momentum of Brexit.
In 4th paragraph “delaying indefinitely” should be “prolonging indefinitely.” (Getting sleepy.)
The petition is pathetic, and just an attempt by losers who cannot accept that they were defeated in a fair vote through the democratic process. The majority have voted to leave and that the wishes of the majority of the electorate must be carried out. Those asking for this do not understand or respect democracy. You cannot just keep whining on and crying for a re-vote every time that the majority of people vote against your individual opinion. So if they don’t accept the result and have no respect for democracy they should leave Britain and go somewhere like China which has even less democracy.
I agree with you, it is pathetic, but it is typical of what corrupt systems do. Recall that Ireland’s similar Treaty Of Lisbon referendum was simply ignored because it wasn’t the result the establishment wanted – another referendum was insisted upon, this one ‘magically’ producing the elite’s desired response.
The petition mentioned above has almost a million signatures now, and the establishment will use things like this (and the dearth of Leave MPs) to spread doubt, sow discord and delay the invocation of article 50. And you’re right, it is a disrespect of democracy.
But the elite don’t care about democracy, and it seems many Remainers agree with them.
The petition is irrelevant, and if one was started to never have a 2nd vote, then that too would be signed by millions of people that voted for Brexit. No petition changes the fact that the majority of people voted, in a democratic process, and the majority voted to leave Europe. The UK Government must now carry out the clear mandate of its electorate. Nothing else or less is acceptable. Article 50 must be invoked without further delay, and Boris Johnson should be pressing for this to happen urgently, before further economic damage, and division is caused.
” Article 50 must be invoked without further delay […]”
Nonsense.
There is no provision in the treaty suggesting a timetable must be met before this article is triggered before or after any specific event.
Nor is there any means provided to trigger it except by formal notice of the government of the member state petitioning to leave. The EU is provided no lawful authority to usurp that power.
These are obvious flaws which were overlooked by brilliant EU lawyers when they framed the treaty stitch-up to begin with. It delivers into the hands of the UK government virtually unlimited power to bleed the EU with pain and suffering until it makes a settlement offer to Britain which it cannot refuse.
If the Brits just drag their feet long enough, the EU will be begging to offer them any terms of trade to see them depart in peace. A restored Common Market arrangement which Brits originally approved by referendum could very well become the new “reformed” EU.
And then every other member nation would be demanding the same better terms. That would include Scotland and the Irish Republic.
If the government refused to comply with the mandate of voters to take Britain out of the EU, they would implicitly nullify the original basis for taking them into the Common Market in the first instance. That was an up or down vote requiring no super-majority. Trying to move the goalposts at this late stage therefore appears politically desperate.
Repeating for the record the 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.
It appears the “bargaining” stage is now fully in play. Progress through the remaining steps will follow in due course. Political leaders would be wise to let that process run its full course before initiating any action — that is, not before dissident whinging dies down to a harmless whisper.
The establishment may believe that they have easy outs but in reality they don’t. If they attempt to dishonestly circumvent the clear wishes of the majority of British people, then they lose all legitimacy to govern. They are not stupid and must realise that if they refuse to carry out the will of the majority then they would face civil disorder, and mass political protests.The UK Government must invoke Article 50 without further delay, and if Cameron is not prepared to do this now, then it must be the first duty of the new Prime Minister. Governments are elected by the people to serve their electorate, and to respect the democratic process. Also its clear that Brussels wants a speedy divorce, as they realize that delaying is economically damaging to Europe and the UK.
Brexit : ‘A sign of anti-elite elite revolt’ Bangkok Post
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/special-reports/1019665/brexit-a-sign-of-anti-elite-revolt
I think people need to think this over more. There are several sides to this. I found a Sanders supporter on Alternet that had this to say (I haven’t researched it, but he has a point):
“This [Brexit] should be a day of celebration. The biggest funders of the Remain campaign were Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan. John Oliver is owned and controlled by Time Warner for christ’s sake; why do you think he’s never done a segment on TPP?
“The EU is the heart of neoliberalism. Free movement of capital, and free movement of labor to suppress wages. Look at what they did to Greece! That is what you are supporting?!”
and,
“For 50 years, Western elites have used immigration and ‘free trade’ to commit ‘labor arbitrage,’ thereby enabling them to avoid ever raising wages for existing workers. In the US and in the UK, it was the middle class and working class (in particular blacks and hispanics) who were forced to bear the entire costs of neoliberal policies of open borders and offshoring, while the elites got rich and the professional classes got cheap labor.
“40 years ago, a black man could graduate high school, get a manufacturing job with benefits and pension, and afford to buy a house and raise a family on that single income.”
To the rothschild currency schemers, the economy is simply the largest aggregate of commoditised labor consisting of a minimum of persons to corralle whilst those outside the corral are on their own. For these money monsters, the population is divided between the counts and the nocounts. Their toleration for death was plainly exhibited in the unwillingness of their health ins monopoly partners in crime to profiteer at the expense of human life. What we have then is an assembly of rabid dogs.
We are all rocking from the latest episode. I have to remind myself to put my Wellies on because it is a cesspit out there–otherwise you get sucked under from time to time.
The Brexit vote has nothing to do with nationalism – Europe was failing the United Kingdom, and Cameron had failed in his negotiations to secure the UK a fairer deal. The marriage was failing,one sided with a thin layer of paper covering deep, and wide cracks. Cameron should do the right thing and leave quicker, and the drawbridge must come up now just like our ex partners in Brussels want. Quoting a very small minority that say they regret their decision to vote to leave is irrelevant, as is quoting the words of one individual who said he “voted to send foreigners home”
Its ‘au revoir’ to the European community, and the people of the UK have taken the right decision to leave. an immediate Article 50 declaration must be pressed for and the divorce must begin. Time to celebrate, and to start restoring Britain’s greatness.
What greatness? Causing terror , war and instability all over the world. Destroy poor countries ability to support themselves by stealing their precious resources to enrich the already obscenely wealthy corporations and tax avoiders in the UK. Being the obedient little lapdog of Washington’s horrendous foreign policy and military industrial complex that is bringing the entire planet to its knees and ultimately to its total annihilation.
Not to mention what is happening within your own borders, the continuous selling off of essential social services to private investors who reside in tax havens. where thousands of your citizens die each year because they can’t afford to feed themselves or their families, where old people freeze to death because they can’t afford to heat their homes, all while rich landowners shoot grouse on their deforested estates and claim farm subsidies worth millions of taxpayers money on vast tracts of land that has never grown a crop. To top it all off you have a parasitical royal family led by a dithering old queen who is ready to flee the country and leave her adoring subjects to fry in a nuclear war, as she recently admitted while hooked up on microphone at the BBC…
To spend trillions on useless nuclear submarines and finance this by cutting pensions for the most vulnerable in your society, while affording generous tax cuts for obscenely wealthy overseas corporations and individual investors.
Truth is, greatness cannot be achieved through endless wars and trade agreements, it cannot be bought or stolen, it can only be earned through acts of friendship, humanity and with a common goal – which should be peace on earth, prosperity, health and good will for all its inhabitants. Perhaps that is what you meant by making Britain great again?
If that’s the case, please ignore my angry rant.
Thank you for a very interesting and informative article!
If the exit does not occur and the voice of the people is betrayed, democracy is dead, and the people must take to the streets to protest, and to the doors of the elite. I predict that he establishment will do all they can now to get their way, and they will manipulate and inflict some really nasty headline grabbing punishments. Some companies may also use the Brexit result as an excuse to announce job losses which were in the pipeline long before this, and of course credit rating agencies, and other financial institutions and ratings agencies like Moodys will cut the UKs ratings suddenly noticing and stressing the importance of the UKs long standing “large budget deficit” and further promoting the establishment tea party line “In Moody’s view, the negative effect from lower economic growth will outweigh the fiscal savings from the UK no longer having to contribute to the EU budget.” Interesting to see the speed at which Brussels want to disconnect though – a non amicable high speed divorce is always the sign that the relationship was rotten to the core and dysfunctional anyway :
‘ Moody’s cut UK’s credit outlook to ‘negative’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36626201
The sadistic thieving bankers want to teach their “subjects” a lesson to behave as they were told and soon they are going to revoke everyone’s bathroom privileges and tell us to eat cake. They used to be such nice people, or so they told us.
Nahhh the punishment will go beyond cakes, and bathroom privleges – they will stop throwing us breadcrumbs to feed off, and no doubt punish us with increasingly pervasive technologies. We will suffer more oppressive surveillance, and more robots, and artificial intelligence will be unleashed to steal our jobs. They will throw their toys out of their prams, and invest even more money abroad, cheating our tax system to an even greater degree. They will extend their surveillance to our homes through the Internet of Things, and will escalate their efforts to hoover up all our communications and data, so they can crush any future dissent. They were never nice people, just evil,selfish greedy, power crazy criminal psycopaths.
Good luck to the UK and Britain sorting this mess out. I confess that it is a relief to not be so focused on US politics and issues, but it doesn’t mean I wish anyone ill will.
Shakin’ n quakin’ Greenspan wants to blame fiscal problems on the people who have to work to get paid to borrow to pay bills to the corporate price jackers who pay the politicians who are financed by the moneychanging currency printers who provide the loans to the people to pay the corporations.
what an AHO. The sooner the planet is rid of the greenspanners the sooner the planet can implement the currency system that Jesus wanted – none of this rothschild paper chase pass the debt sham scam BS.
Well the EU just pretty much said ‘screw you, you’re gone’ only in slightly politer terms.
I was going to mention that: “A senior EU leader has confirmed the bloc wants Britain out as soon as possible, warning that David Cameron’s decision to delay the start of Brexit negotiations until his successor is in place may not be fast enough. … Martin Schulz, the president of the European parliament, told the Guardian that EU lawyers were studying whether it was possible to speed up the triggering of article 50 of the Lisbon treaty – the untested procedure for leaving the union.” The Guardian.
Screw them too ! This just proves that the people of Britain were right to vote to leave the asylum anyway.
The people voted and now the real betrayal gets started.
Crooked politicians now have the ammunition to cut a deal for themselves with the “cartel of usury and oppression” to only put forth an illusion of change.
The people are always fooled into putting their faith in a ruler that will only betray them. When will they learn their faith needs to be in the “people” not politicians?
good question.
As the valuation conjob shrinks to affordable, the wails and screams of the thieving 1% and their propaganda press will make numerous attempts to fix any pain by conning the population into another scheme to scam their productivity. This is typical of thieves and the remaining population needs to rip off their blinders and look down the road of independence.
Some one should have prepared a writ to pave the way by simply proposing to throw the scheming thieving criminal minded banking scamsters into prison where they belong. In doing so, the people would then have more faith to handle any rough spots in the road ahead.
The print-to-loan-to-own zion currency system is a crime against humanity.
100% right again Fellow Citizen – politicians cannot be trusted as they are bought and paid for by the elite. They serve only the interests and agenda of the elite establishment, and their powerful corporate and financial organisations.Change is coming, as many are now finally beginning to see the establishment, and the elite for what they are.The Brexit vote is a social rejection of the elites divisive, selfish policies of greed. A rejection of the politics of fear, and of daily scaremongering – the bullying failed. They manipulate every situation for their own selfish financial gains. They abuse the people by manipulating perceptions through the mass mainstream media which they own. They use pervasive technologies, and have created a militarized industrial complex to further their imperialist aims. Urgent change is needed, as the people cannot afford the elite, who have caused so much poverty and inequality. Peoples faith must be in people, and the people must take back the power from the corrupted puppets of the elite. Politicians and Governments must now serve their people, the electorate, and not just the interests of a few extremely rich, and powerful people.
Hear, hear!
I sympathize with Britannia’s difficulty in making up her mind. I would suggest trying two out of three referendums. Or perhaps, London, Northern Island and Scotland could remain in the EU while the rest of Great Britain exits. Setting up border controls around London might be awkward, but is certainly achievable. Donald Trump, I understand, has even offered to sell them plans for a wall, and has suggested the EU could pay for it. Britons may not be among Mr. Trump’s most ardent supporters, but I hope they will seriously consider this offer.
It’s only natural, as the UK economy continues to nosedive, to have second thoughts. However, Britons should take comfort that the Conservatives are still in charge, and that David Cameron, who showed his sterling judgment in calling the referendum, will continue as Prime Minister for some time yet. He no doubt had a plan for dealing with the eventuality of a Brexit vote and I am looking forward to the see it implemented in all its clockwork precision.
There are rumors the whole thing was a ploy by Britain’s elite to discredit direct democracy. This is partly true but I think it’s more accurately summarized in the original comment I made on Mr. Mackey’s first Brexit article; Britain’s leadership foresaw trouble ahead and set up the referendum so the voters could be scapegoats. At the very least, it will teach the voters a useful lesson – that actions have consequences – and hopefully help make them more compliant when their right to vote is taken away.
– “and that David Cameron, who showed his sterling judgment in calling the referendum, will continue as Prime Minister for some time yet. He no doubt had a plan for dealing with the eventuality of a Brexit vote and I am looking forward to the see it implemented in all its clockwork precision.”
Particularly funny since Cameron PROMISED to invoke Article 50 immediately if Leave won the referendum. But that was before it blew up in his face, of course.
He’ll be PM for another 3 months, by the way, during which time the establishment will punish the peasants for daring to stop doffing their caps at the ruling class – and manipulate the dazed public back into wanting only the good old-fashioned corporatist/militarist/imperialist /globalist status quo and “something nice on the telly while I pop the kettle on.”
Your “There are rumors the whole thing was a ploy by Britain’s elite to discredit direct democracy” is of course quite brilliant, but unfairly credits them with keen foresight rather than just stupid authoritarian greed and annoying confidence (regardless of what the plebs may say or do) about their immovable superiority, position and ability-to-PR-themselves via corporate (and, ahem, other) media out of any potential difficulty that may arise.
The elite’s ability to think ahead extends only to simple-minded (but paradoxically ingenious) things like “The people hate our chosen one Hillary, so let’s get someone even more unlikable to go against!” (*Sounds of establishment twits high-fiving each other, mostly missing*) and “Let’s collect it all!”
Northern Ireland and Scotland did vote to stay in Europe, as Martin McGuinness says in this video.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2016/jun/24/martin-mcguinness-english-votes-dragged-northern-ireland-out-of-eu-video
Interesting that this former IRA commander expresses his appreciation to the Unionist and republican voters.
You sound like Donald Trump singin’ Dixie ‘the south is gonna rise again’.
there are only 2 economies which comprise the rothschild fraudulent scheme.
1. valuation economy – rep’d by congress whores, hillary, cameron, etal.
2. circulation economy – scraps of cash flow and majort debt the valuators force the 99% to borrow.
the rothschild scheme is a conjob upon the populations of the planet. REPLACE IT. The 99% will not have free will until they charge convict and jail the rothschild schemers and supporters.
When will you stop this monomaniac anti-Jewish propaganda? I cannot read a comment from you that does not have the word ‘zion’ or ‘Rotschild’, no matter what the article is about. Consider seeking some medical advice, you really need it.
True story:
When there were talks about unifying Europe, I was once watching one of those tele-evangelists. I forget his name, but he was an elderly fellow with a soft voice, and his show only showed him speak, without any live audience.
He spent quite a bit of time talking about how the unification of Europe was predicted in the Bible.
So when EU was established, I said wow.
And now, I’m scratching my head.
Religious fanatics mis-interpreted “FREE WILL”. They thought that accepting Jesus meant giving up your free will and replacing it wit God’s will. THEY WERE WRONG.
Well, TBMK, most of those who think so see it as a part of the rise of the Antichrist, who will rule Europe and use it to help take over the world, make a treaty with Israel, break the treaty, die, be resurrected, persecute Christians and get his butt kicked by Jesus. If it sounds ridiculous, that’s because it’s a relatively recent phenomenon and biblical interpretation which has not been around since (maximum) the late 1800’s and (more likely) the 1960’s-1970’s.
Then again, they also assumed the Soviet Union would be a big boogieman who attacks Israel and loses 5/6 of their troops thanks to divine intervention.
So, yes, it is rather ridiculous. (Of course, it’s a major factor in the current demonization of Russia- literally in this case…)
Please, just leave. And dear Scotland, get rid of England fast and rejoin the EU.
1. Denial and Isolation
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
Hmmm, how to call shenanigans on a referendum? My thought is that they’re not going to *renege* on leaving… not exactly. But — Scotland is saying it wants a new referendum on secession. Which means that it would be, well, just crazy for Britain to leave and then Scotland has to rejoin, not when they can just *wait* a bit longer for them to have their referendum, right? And if that referendum isn’t completely binding, well, then there could be argument over that, which would delay any action until it’s sorted out, so… And by that point, who knows, maybe a Parliamentary election will suggest the voters are thinking twice, and it would be only fair to let them have a second referendum just to be sure…
This might even signal a dissolution of Britain, with Scotland vying for secession. Interesting. A house divided can not stand.
Good to see yet another calling out the xenophobes but failing to mention the crony banksters like Goldman on the other side yet again.
I think I get it now. People who favor the result of the referendum are sure somebody will try and burst their bubble. Obviously, by wielding a sharp quill, Mackey is that guy … reporting legal opinions and such … (insert various invective from below, here).
When the establishment loses, they try to change the rules…
… and then have helpful types explain how great the new rules would be.
The BBC made a point of finding British couples who were split on Brexit and interviewing them; it was interesting and open-minded; they didn’t try to demonize one partner as a racist who relied on Nazi analogies, or promote the other as the only one with a justified attitude.
The kind of coverage seen in this article, in contrast, comes across as extremely one-sided hyperbole – not as informative journalism, not by a long stretch. When the BBC does a better job of presenting both sides of the issue than the Intercept does? That’s rather sad. Note that the Guardian seems to share this bias, having published op-ed pieces complaining about BBC’s impartial coverage:
“The BBC is too timid. Being impartial on the EU is not enough
Timothy Garton Ash, 1 April 2016, Guardian UK”
Sure, forget about journalistic standards. . . and as a specific example of bias in this article, consider the refusal to mention Jeremey Corbyn’s position on Article 50:
http://labourlist.org/2016/06/corbyn-article-50-has-to-be-invoked-now/
I just checked the comments and note that Maise below already brought this point up – but it bears repeating.
I admit to having heard an hour of BBC coverage today, but I heard them speaking to people 1) in London, 2) on a train to Brussels, and 3) in Brussels.
All the US coverage I heard was based in London, except for Cheeto Jesus at his golf course.
no wonder msm couldn’t predict the vote.
Like spoiled children, the Leave faction seem unable to deal with the consequences of getting their way. For two years now, the British leadership has been torturing the various countries on the Continent with their threats, wresting concessions that only resulted in further demands. As reported in The Guardian, the president of the European Parliament has expressed the desire for the UK to leave as quickly as possible. But the likely new PM, Boris Johnson, apparently believes that he can squeeze still more out of the Union.
It would seem that the EU parliamentarians are more willing to accept the will of the British people than their own leaders are. Now, tell me, where is the spirit of democracy more alive?
Do the world a favor, Boris: Exercise the will of your people. And don’t let the door hit you in the rear on your way out.
It would seem that the leave vote gives the EU more leverage, rather than the next British PM.
The EU should revoke the exceptions they’ve already agreed to, and insist the UK give up more if they want to stay after all.
Perhaps the EU could insist on a referendum showing public support to remain before any negotiations take place?
Make Boris campaign to pass it…
Boris is spooked. The posh schoolboy has been summoned to the House Master’s study.
The establishment never loses. The house always wins. However you wanna phrase it.
I think Boris more calculating; he hopes that dragging his feet will help the Labour Blairites in their attack on Jeremey Corbyn, and if Corbyn goes, the xenophobic right will have a better chance of taking over from Cameron without much opposition.
Blairites seem to want to punish the whole British public for their ‘defection’ – and they’d rather see the far-right xenophobes grab power than risk having Corbyn become PM.
Now we see where true allegiances lie. . . the Blairites are no friends of the British public; they are far closer to Wall Street interests and the EU cabal.
He looks afraid to me, recently panicked, and unlike Farage Boris doesn’t appear sympathetic to xenophobia (in my opinion) – but I take your point that it does seem just about everyone wants Corbyn out, even though personally I think he’s the best statesman Britain has evidenced outside of history books (and would be a wonderful PM for the UK).
Well, no formal way. But the EU leaders have made it clear that they want the Article 50 negotiations to begin ASAP, and they have a great deal of leverage to use in encouraging Britain to agree. Just for starters, the reminder that the post-separation trade talks may be significantly effected by undue delay in declaring Article 50 (they would be) will likely help to concentrate the minds of Prime Minister X and her/his cabinet.
Aside from that, any significant futzing around by the Tories in an attempt to delay the process is likely to result in quite significant domestic unrest.
“affected”
Spell check doesn’t catch grammatical typos.
“Spell check doesn’t catch grammatical typos.”
Nor does it catch hair-brained hair-splitters …
cuz if it did, you’d be lit-up like a Christmas tree.
– “an attempt to delay the process is likely to result in quite significant domestic unrest.”
I’m not so sure about that. From what I can tell, the propaganda is underway already in the UK to vigorously shame supporters of Brexit as being too impulsive, while the dragging-of-feet to invoke Article 50 is being spoon-fed simultaneously to the whole of the stunned populace (including Brexiteers, obviously) as a sign of strength and “not being bossed about by Europe.” This of course suits the establishment, pacifying any forceful insistence and disgracing potential rebellion. The elite will continue this barrage of manipulation until the neoliberal globalist narrative is firmly back in place in the mainstream, I reckon. And basically nothing will change substantially – except that anyone considering anti-establishment activism will be that much more cynical and jaded about hope.
Not to be too “out there,” but Boris Johnson (Leave) currently looks entirely spooked, suspiciously like Kucinich after his little trip on Air Force One (and Bernie Sanders, lately). Looks to me that Johnson is now having to backtrack to appease whoever scared the hell out of him last night. The almost-revolution is being disgraced and shamed to death as we speak, accompanied by repulsive glee from many of the unwittingly elite-serving Remainers, it seems to me.
The vitality and potential aggression of youth voted mainly for Remain, also (which surprises me), which takes potency from any protest right off the bat.
I’m not pleased about any of this, of course, but these are my observations.
Interesting observations. And it’s true that Boris seems chastened.
Well, if you’re right, we can still be pretty sure that some Leave supporters will be raising holy hell and taking to the streets — the Kippers and Britain Firsters. And that will convince Mona & Co. that all the awful things they’ve been claiming about Brexiteers are true beyond doubt.
I hope you’re wrong (as I know you do), but I won’t be too surprised if you’re right. Most humans really are cowards and sheep — and not very bright.
The only “awful things” I’ve claimed about any of them is that they include a huge contingent of racists and xenophobes. This cannot be reasonably disputed.
I find it funny that Mackey should keep finding issues with a democratic process. Perhaps he is disappointed that the ISIS murderers will no longer be infiltrate all over the place posing as refugees.
Many years ago we threw the Brits into the Atlantic. Now we are going to throw the Greasers over the Wall. Way to go!
If you really think Trump wants to get rid of the cheap labor pool in the United States that he’s exploited to keep his hotel and golf course wages low, think again. Of course, neither does Hillary Clinton; she’ll backpedal on her federal minimum wage campaign promises to keep Wall Street happy. Trump & Clinton are closer to one another than you might imagine – see this photo:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-clinton-refuse-explain-share-address-delaware/215907/
Now, if we could have a national referendum on exiting NAFTA, which would be the American equivalent of Brexit, then I bet the exit camp would win hands down.
This would bring the manufacturing jobs outsourced to Mexican sweatshops back to the U.S. – and, it would prevent American agribusiness from dumping cheap corn on the local Mexican markets, which has the result of driving small farmers into bankruptcy and across the border into the US to work as cheap labor, driving wages for Americans down across the board. Repealing NAFTA would thus do wonders for the American middle class, although the elites would try to demonize it as with Brexit.
Would either Trump or Clinton support a NAFTA referendum? Neither of these two clowns running for President can be trusted; the only rational approach is do as much as possible to limit the powers of the executive and re-instate checks and balances.
On that front, the Supreme Court’s decision to block Obama’s executive action on immigration was encouraging; even liberals can agree that it was the done for the right reason, i.e. that it was presidential overreach, and we’ve seen too much of that from Iraq to Libya to Syria.
Your comments undoubtedly makes some sense, and I tend to agree with you. Of course, it is very hard to conclude based on currently available information whether Trump is going to cheat us like our last four presidents, though I must admit his deals do not invoke too much confidence, and the way he is projecting his family members seems to be a recipe for disaster. In this regard, I feel happy to note that only Obama did not bring in some presidential refugees from Kenya though I must say he would have been quite justified to bring his whole tribe and camp them in the national mall outside his house.
What I really like about Trump is his promise to build the Wall that the greasers will pay for. I have purchased some interests in a precast company, so we are set to do roaring business. All I am hoping for is that he does not order the walls from China, since it seems to me that post-election the presidents do a volte-face, except that Hillary is so bad that and change in her can only be good.
You better keep you commitment and vote Trump.
so the hope is that the clowns in congress and the clowns on the supreme court will rein in the clown in the executive office?
good luck
Yes, a battle of the clowns, each trying to claim the ringmaster’s seat, is all we can hope for now.
Get your popcorn, should be a good show.
after the BRITS TURN THE TABLES ON THE MONEYCHANGERS..
now this?
f me.
sounds as if the printers of the currency want to crank up the presses and give the paper to the whores on the take.
It’s the perfect anti-solution. What could be more anti-democratic than ignoring the will of the people and remaining in the anti-democratic EU?
The solution, on the other hand, is to tame the bankster parasites, dump their Cameron/Blair Tories, restore the NHS, and rebuild the public sector under a real Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn.
Despite the fear-mongering from the profiteers, the UK can trade perfectly well with the EU and the rest of the world just like the US and China and the Philippines and even tiny Singapore.
“about 160 of the 650 MPs elected last year want Britain to leave the EU. The overwhelming majority of Westminster MPs believes that leaving would be a mistake”
It so reminds me of our own US Congress where near 100% of reps and senators are faithfully representing their constituents to the extent that doing so does not come into conflict with Israel’s national interests.
The UK gov’t disregarding the people’s vote would be orders of magnitude more harmful than the messiest possible exit because all ‘democracy’ illusions would be shattered if that happened and the only way left to implement change would be violence.
Yes, it is indeed unlikely the establishment will sincerely honor the will of the people and actually do this. Because they are, well, the establishment – and much of said corporate/state elite anywhere in the world are corrupt, not only in the sense of diverting from an initial purpose but also in the sense of being without moral integrity.
Incidentally, your selective viewing doesn’t cover the fact that the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, has also insisted that Article 50 Has To Be Invoked Now, so I’ll just correct that oversight here.
You’d think TI would let someone else start reporting on Brexit, given that all of Mackey’s articles leading up to it have been nothing but fear-mongering horseshit.
Does horseshit frighten you?
I find his contributions mostly comical.
Mackey’s “contributions” would be more amusing if they didn’t represent such a disgustingly anti-democratic tendency and contented enslavement to the “Market” and the Rulers.
This piece just drips with his smug satisfaction that the will of British voters might be undermined, diverted, deflected or simply betrayed.
His perverse and contorted pieces aren’t frightening, but they do smell bad — and not like horseshit, which has a much sweeter odor.
“… like horseshit, which has a much sweeter odor.”
Can’t for the life of me see the “smug satisfaction” you whine over.
But then you’re selling us on horseshit …
Appealing to your authority, as it were.
So.
Umm. . . I think the final paragraph is rather telling:
I think a desire to see the British public ‘punished’ for their democratic choice is evident there. This is the kind of colonial attitude the British Crown might have shown to the American Independence Movement in 1776, isn’t it?
Furthermore, the use of the word “defector” in this context calls up unpleasant Cold War associations:
That’s some pretty biased language, I’d say. Obviously Mackey has very strong opinions on this issue, which is fine, but it’s op-ed, not journalism – he should preface such articles with a line like, “First, let me say that I personally support Remain, and am entirely opposed to the Brexit camp.”
The pretense of journalist objectivity has no place in his articles on this topic.
Already we know that the EU is not backing down from their stance, per the joint statement from earlier today. (It’s also likely that Scotland will likely not get an enthusiastic reception in the EU, for fear of encouraging Catalonians, Basques, Corsicans, Padanians, and discouraging Ukrainians.)
In full agreement with what you have said here Doug.