The decision by U.K. voters to leave the EU is such a glaring repudiation of the wisdom and relevance of elite political and media institutions that — for once — their failures have become a prominent part of the storyline. Media reaction to the Brexit vote falls into two general categories: (1) earnest, candid attempts to understand what motivated voters to make this choice, even if that means indicting their own establishment circles, and (2) petulant, self-serving, simple-minded attacks on disobedient pro-Leave voters for being primitive, xenophobic bigots (and stupid to boot), all to evade any reckoning with their own responsibility. Virtually every reaction that falls into the former category emphasizes the profound failures of Western establishment factions; these institutions have spawned pervasive misery and inequality, only to spew condescending scorn at their victims when they object.
The Los Angeles Times’s Vincent Bevins, in an outstanding and concise analysis, wrote that “both Brexit and Trumpism are the very, very wrong answers to legitimate questions that urban elites have refused to ask for 30 years”; in particular, “since the 1980s the elites in rich countries have overplayed their hand, taking all the gains for themselves and just covering their ears when anyone else talks, and now they are watching in horror as voters revolt.” The British journalist Tom Ewing, in a comprehensive Brexit explanation, said the same dynamic driving the U.K. vote prevails in Europe and North America as well: “the arrogance of neoliberal elites in constructing a politics designed to sideline and work around democracy while leaving democracy formally intact.”
In an interview with the New Statesman, the political philosopher Michael Sandel also said that the dynamics driving the pro-Brexit sentiment were now dominant throughout the West generally: “A large constituency of working-class voters feel that not only has the economy left them behind, but so has the culture, that the sources of their dignity, the dignity of labor, have been eroded and mocked by developments with globalization, the rise of finance, the attention that is lavished by parties across the political spectrum on economic and financial elites, the technocratic emphasis of the established political parties.” After the market-venerating radicalism of Reagan and Thatcher, he said, “the center left” — Blair and Clinton and various European parties — “managed to regain political office but failed to reimagine the mission and purpose of social democracy, which became empty and obsolete.”
Three Guardian writers sounded similar themes about elite media ignorance stemming from homogeneity and detachment from the citizenry. John Harris quoted a Manchester voter as explaining, “If you’ve got money, you vote in. If you haven’t got money, you vote out.” Harris added: “Most of the media … failed to see this coming. … The alienation of the people charged with documenting the national mood from the people who actually define it is one of the ruptures that has led to this moment.” Gary Younge similarly denounced “a section of the London-based commentariat [that] anthropologized the British working class as though they were a lesser evolved breed from distant parts, all too often portraying them as bigots who did not know what was good for them.” Ian Jack’s article was headlined “In this Brexit vote, the poor turned on an elite who ignored them,” and he described how “gradually the sight of empty towns and shuttered shops became normalized or forgotten.” Headlines like this one from The Guardian in 2014 were prescient but largely ignored:
Though there were some exceptions, establishment political and media elites in the U.K. were vehemently united against Brexit, but their decreed wisdom was ignored, even scorned. That has happened time and again. As their fundamental failures become more evident to all, these elites have lost credibility, influence, and the ability to dictate outcomes.
Just last year in the U.K., Labour members chose someone to lead Tony Blair’s party — the authentically left-wing Jeremy Corbyn — who could not have been more intensely despised and patronized by almost every leading light of the British media and political class. In the U.S., the joyful rejection by Trump voters of the collective wisdom of the conservative establishment evidenced the same contempt for elite consensus. The enthusiastic and sustained rallying, especially by young voters, against beloved-by-the-establishment Hillary Clinton in favor of a 74-year-old socialist taken seriously by almost no D.C. elites reflected the same dynamic. Elite denunciations of the right-wing parties of Europe fall on deaf ears. Elites can’t stop, or even affect, any of these movements because they are, at bottom, revolts against their wisdom, authority, and virtue.
In sum, the West’s establishment credibility is dying, and its influence is precipitously eroding — all deservedly so. The frenetic pace of online media makes even the most recent events feel distant, like ancient history. That, in turn, makes it easy to lose sight of how many catastrophic and devastating failures Western elites have produced in a remarkably short period of time.
In 2003, U.S. and British elites joined together to advocate one of the most heinous and immoral aggressive wars in decades: the destruction of Iraq; that it turned out to be centrally based on falsehoods that were ratified by the most trusted institutions, as well as a complete policy failure even on its own terms, gutted public trust.
In 2008, their economic worldview and unrestrained corruption precipitated a global economic crisis that literally caused, and is still causing, billions of people to suffer — in response, they quickly protected the plutocrats who caused the crisis while leaving the victimized masses to cope with the generational fallout. Even now, Western elites continue to proselytize markets and impose free trade and globalization without the slightest concern for the vast inequality and destruction of economic security those policies generate.
In 2011, NATO bombed Libya by pretending it was motivated by humanitarianism, only to ignore that country once the fun military triumph was celebrated, thus leaving a vacuum of anarchy and militia rule for years that spread instability through the region and fueled the refugee crisis. The U.S. and its European allies continue to invade, occupy, and bomb predominantly Muslim countries while propping up their most brutal tyrants, then feign befuddlement about why anyone would want to attack them back, justifying erosions of basic liberties and more bombing campaigns and ratcheting up fear levels each time someone does. The rise of ISIS and the foothold it seized in Iraq and Libya were the direct byproducts of the West’s military actions (as even Tony Blair admitted regarding Iraq). Western societies continue to divert massive resources into military weaponry and prisons for their citizens, enriching the most powerful factions in the process, all while imposing harsh austerity on already suffering masses. In sum, Western elites thrive while everyone else loses hope.
These are not random, isolated mistakes. They are the byproduct of fundamental cultural pathologies within Western elite circles — a deep rot. Why should institutions that have repeatedly authored such travesties, and spread such misery, continue to command respect and credibility? They shouldn’t, and they’re not. As Chris Hayes warned in his 2012 book Twilight of the Elites, “Given both the scope and depth of this distrust [in elite institutions], it’s clear that we’re in the midst of something far grander and more perilous than just a crisis of government or a crisis of capitalism. We are in the midst of a broad and devastating crisis of authority.”
It’s natural — and inevitable — that malignant figures will try to exploit this vacuum of authority. All sorts of demagogues and extremists will try to redirect mass anger for their own ends. Revolts against corrupt elite institutions can usher in reform and progress, but they can also create a space for the ugliest tribal impulses: xenophobia, authoritarianism, racism, fascism. One sees all of that, both good and bad, manifesting in the anti-establishment movements throughout the U.S., Europe, and the U.K. — including Brexit. All of this can be invigorating, or promising, or destabilizing, or dangerous: most likely a combination of all that.
The solution is not to subserviently cling to corrupt elite institutions out of fear of the alternatives. It is, instead, to help bury those institutions and their elite mavens and then fight for superior replacements. As Hayes put it in his book, the challenge is “directing the frustration, anger, and alienation we all feel into building a trans-ideological coalition that can actually dislodge the power of the post-meritocratic elite. One that marshals insurrectionist sentiment without succumbing to nihilism and manic, paranoid distrust.”
Corrupt elites always try to persuade people to continue to submit to their dominance in exchange for protection from forces that are even worse. That’s their game. But at some point, they themselves, and their prevailing order, become so destructive, so deceitful, so toxic, that their victims are willing to gamble that the alternatives will not be worse, or at least, they decide to embrace the satisfaction of spitting in the faces of those who have displayed nothing but contempt and condescension for them.
There is no single, unifying explanation for Brexit, Trumpism, or the growing extremism of various stripes throughout the West, but this sense of angry impotence — an inability to see any option other than smashing those responsible for their plight — is undoubtedly a major factor. As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say FUCK YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them.
Obviously, those who are the target of this anti-establishment rage — political, economic, and media elites — are desperate to exonerate themselves, to demonstrate that they bear no responsibility for the suffering masses that are now refusing to be compliant and silent. The easiest course to achieve that goal is simply to demonize those with little power, wealth, or possibility as stupid and racist: This is only happening because they are primitive and ignorant and hateful, not because they have any legitimate grievances or because I or my friends or my elite institutions have done anything wrong. As Vice’s Michael Tracey put it:
Elites' reaction to Brexit mimics their reaction to Trump: blame the amorality of ordinary people rather than reckon with elite failure
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) June 24, 2016
Because that reaction is so self-protective and self-glorifying, many U.S. media elites — including those who knew almost nothing about Brexit until 48 hours ago — instantly adopted it as their preferred narrative for explaining what happened, just as they’ve done with Trump, Corbyn, Sanders, and any number of other instances where their entitlement to rule has been disregarded. They are so persuaded of their own natural superiority that any factions who refuse to see it and submit to it prove themselves, by definition, to be regressive, stunted, and amoral.
Indeed, media reaction to the Brexit vote — filled with unreflective rage, condescension, and contempt toward those who voted wrong — perfectly illustrates the dynamics that caused all of this in the first place. Media elites, by virtue of their position, adore the status quo. It rewards them, vests them with prestige and position, welcomes them into exclusive circles, allows them to be close to (if not wield) great power while traveling their country and the world, provides them with a platform, and fills them with esteem and purpose. The same is true of academic elites, financial elites, and political elites. Elites love the status quo that has given them, and then protected, their elite position.
Elites are usually elite for good reason, and tend to have better judgment than the average person. #confessyourunpopularopinion
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) December 4, 2013
Because of how generally satisfied they are with their lot, they regard with affection and respect the internationalist institutions that safeguard the West’s prevailing order: the World Bank and IMF, NATO and the West’s military forces, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, the EU. While they express some piecemeal criticisms of each, they literally cannot comprehend how anyone would be fundamentally disillusioned by and angry with these institutions, let alone want to break from them. They are far removed from the suffering that causes those anti-establishment sentiments. So they search and search in vain for some rationale that could explain something like Brexit — or the establishment-condemning movements on the right and left — and can find only one way to process it: These people are not motivated by any legitimate grievances or economic suffering, but instead they are just broken, ungrateful, immoral, hateful, racist, and ignorant.
Of course, it is the case that some, perhaps much of the support given to these anti-establishment movements is grounded in those sorts of ugly sentiments. But it’s also the case that the media elites’ revered establishment institutions in finance, media, and politics are driven by all sorts of equally ugly impulses, as the rotted fruit of their actions conclusively proves.
Even more important, the mechanism that Western citizens are expected to use to express and rectify dissatisfaction — elections — has largely ceased to serve any corrective function. As Hayes, in a widely cited tweet, put it this week about Brexit:
I don't want a future in which politics is primarily a battle between cosmopolitan finance capitalism and ethno-nationalist backlash.
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) June 24, 2016
But that is exactly the choice presented not only by Brexit but also Western elections generally, including the 2016 Clinton v. Trump general election (just look at the powerful array of Wall Street tycoons and war-loving neocons that — long before Trump — viewed the former Democratic New York senator and secretary of state as their best hope for having their agenda and interests served). When democracy is preserved only in form, structured to change little to nothing about power distribution, people naturally seek alternatives for the redress of their grievances, particularly when they suffer.
More importantly still — and directly contrary to what establishment liberals love to claim in order to demonize all who reject their authority — economic suffering and xenophobia/racism are not mutually exclusive. The opposite is true: The former fuels the latter, as sustained economic misery makes people more receptive to tribalistic scapegoating. That’s precisely why plutocratic policies that deprive huge portions of the population of basic opportunity and hope are so dangerous. Claiming that supporters of Brexit or Trump or Corbyn or Sanders or anti-establishment European parties on the left and right are motivated only by hatred but not genuine economic suffering and political oppression is a transparent tactic for exonerating status quo institutions and evading responsibility for doing anything about their core corruption.
Part of this spiteful media reaction to Brexit is grounded in a dreary combination of sloth and habit: A sizable portion of the establishment liberal commentariat in the West has completely lost the ability to engage with any sort of dissent from its orthodoxies or even understand those who disagree. They are capable of nothing beyond adopting the smuggest, most self-satisfied posture, then spouting clichés to dismiss their critics as ignorant, benighted bigots. Like the people of the West who bomb Muslim countries and then express confusion that anyone wants to attack them back, the most simple-minded of these establishment media liberals are constantly enraged that the people they endlessly malign as ignorant haters refuse to vest them with the respect and credibility to which they are naturally entitled.
But there’s something deeper and more interesting driving the media reaction here. Establishment journalistic outlets are not outsiders. They’re the opposite: They are fully integrated into elite institutions, are tools of those institutions, and thus identify fully with them. Of course they do not share, and cannot understand, anti-establishment sentiments: They are the targets of this establishment-hating revolt as much as anyone else. These journalists’ reaction to this anti-establishment backlash is a form of self-defense. As NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen put it last night, “Journalists today report on hostility to the political class, as if they had nothing to do with it,” but they are a key part of that political class and, for that reason, “if the population — or part of it — is in revolt against the political class, this is a problem for journalism.”
There are many factors explaining why establishment journalists now have almost no ability to stem the tide of anti-establishment rage, even when it’s irrational and driven by ignoble impulses. Part of it is that the internet and social media have rendered them irrelevant, unnecessary to disseminate ideas. Part of it is that they have nothing to say to people who are suffering and angry — due to their distance from them — other than to scorn them as hateful losers. Part of it is that journalists — like anyone else — tend to react with bitterness and rage, not self-assessment, as they lose influence and stature.
But a major factor is that many people recognize that establishment journalists are an integral part of the very institutions and corrupted elite circles that are authors of their plight. Rather than mediating or informing these political conflicts, journalists are agents of the forces that are oppressing people. And when journalists react to their anger and suffering by telling them that it’s invalid and merely the byproduct of their stupidity and primitive resentments, that only reinforces the perception that journalists are their enemy, thus rendering journalistic opinion increasingly irrelevant.
Brexit was a tantrum — British voters had good reason to be angry, but what they did won't make anything better. https://t.co/41AIMdVTv8
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) June 24, 2016
Brexit — despite all the harm it is likely to cause and all the malicious politicians it will empower — could have been a positive development. But that would require that elites (and their media outlets) react to the shock of this repudiation by spending some time reflecting on their own flaws, analyzing what they have done to contribute to such mass outrage and deprivation, in order to engage in course correction. Exactly the same potential opportunity was created by the Iraq debacle, the 2008 financial crisis, the rise of Trumpism and other anti-establishment movements: This is all compelling evidence that things have gone very wrong with those who wield the greatest power, that self-critique in elite circles is more vital than anything.
Anyone who cares about European project should stop blaming capricious/emotional voters & take seriously the EU's many fundamental problems.
— Taniel (@Taniel) June 24, 2016
But, as usual, that’s exactly what they most refuse to do. Instead of acknowledging and addressing the fundamental flaws within themselves, they are devoting their energies to demonizing the victims of their corruption, all in order to delegitimize those grievances and thus relieve themselves of responsibility to meaningfully address them. That reaction only serves to bolster, if not vindicate, the animating perceptions that these elite institutions are hopelessly self-interested, toxic, and destructive and thus cannot be reformed but rather must be destroyed. That, in turn, only ensures there will be many more Brexits, and Trumps, in our collective future.
Top photo: A man takes a copy of the London Evening Standard with the front page reporting the resignation of British Prime Minister David Cameron and the vote to leave the EU in a referendum in London on June 24, 2016.
Glenn I remember hating you back during the Iraq war, I was a big Gung ho supporter. Needless to say I’ve had some serious revisions about that topic. Even though you’re coming at this from the left and I from the right I can’t deny your analysis is spot on. Although I personally don’t think this is capitalisms fault, I think it was an outgrowth of government intervention in the market infecting everything. It made private profits into public risk, lead to an incestuous revolving door between business and government, and now to where we are today; there’s no difference between the two.
And quite frankly the leaders of Enterprise in the supposed center of the capitalist world share more in common with an Ayn Rand villain than anything.
It’s making strange bedfellows of nationalists on the right and anti-globalist leftists of the old guard (before identity politics took it over).
im surprised you didn’t just blame the whole thing on Israel, somehow…
Yeah, derp, way to stay on subject, derp.
Yes, but, have the people just signed-up to be devoured by lions…(time will tell)
Great piece. I voted leave despite being 2nd generation immigrant on one side and 3rd on the other. To my mind, the issue was sovereignty. The UK joined the EEC a trading block. In an extraordinary case of mission creep that became a path towards ever greater political and economic union.
It’s beyond satire to watch Blair, a man who could ignore the will of at least 1.5 million people marching past his front door against a duplicitously contrived war (full disclosure – I was one of the great unwashed). Bliar (no spelling mistake) had better get his points made before Chilcot delivers some of the truth.
As a conservative I don’t often agree with you but, I do have a great deal of respect for you. There is a lot here that I do agree with in this article. I find that I can’t in good conscience vote for either candidate in the upcoming election and will likely cast a vote for the libertarians. That said I find that much of what you have said is echoed in Chaper 2 of Pope Francis’ “The Joy of the Gospel” when he speaks of “a globalization of indifference.
“http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html#I.%E2%80%82Some_challenges_of_today’s_world
I think that before we can move forward we need to know who has some understanding of this issue regardless of background, ideology, religious, secular, etc. We need to get input from as large a cross section of society that we can, because only then can the elite be held accountable. Otherwise they will just fall back on the old trick of playing one group against another.
“Corrupt elites always try to persuade people to continue to submit to their dominance in exchange for protection from forces that are even worse”.
A brilliant, and true observation, by Glenn, of the sickening tactics, and methodology applied by the corrupt elites, and this is continuing, showing that they have learnt nothing from Brexit. Here is an example of the wealthy war criminal Tony Blair doing just that :
Blair : Will of the people is entitled to change Sky News :
http://news.sky.com/story/1720961/blair-will-of-the-people-is-entitled-to-change
Using fear of the unknown, a leap in the dark type scaremongering Blair desperately tries to manipulate and influence a change in direction :-
“The vote was to leave the European Union … but we have no idea what lies on the other side of that and there’s a hugely complex negotiation that’s now got to take place.
“We need to see exactly what is the offer, what does Brexit look like?”
He added: “As a country, we should keep our options open because right now we really don’t know what’s on the other side.”
Let the war criminal lead us out of the darkness, away from this dreadful place, and mess we are all in now – place our trust in him to take away this horrific fear of the known. Let Blair be our shepherd, and savior “leading us, bleating and babbling, down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel” – just like he did with the Iraq war !
Pink Floyd Sheep music :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAsKlO6qTt8
The one question I have had for over decade, which has yet to be answered is why no one pushing to stop the life blood of what’s been going on, taxpayers paying their taxes…..especially federal?
All the systems are being set up to feed the institutions and their beast-keepers, through bank bailout/bail-ins in every budget, ISDS clauses at the core of every trade agreement (see bilaterals.org ). Some, like the TISA (Trade in Services Agreement) is lethal in its target of stealing/taking over all governmental programs and services, via their flag-bearing label of privatization……under the cover of 5 years of public-non-disclosure guaranteed to adhered to at the point of ratification……Surely without tax monies, hedge fund owners just might have to re-negotiate,– their ‘preferred creditor’ status and begin to finally take the losses they so richly deserve, when the banks begin to fail, over their extreme debt (IMF-clears a figure of 823 trillion dollars in o/s derivative contracts)? So, if we could break the strangle hold of these bank bailouts and all these global trade agreements—could we not stand a chance?
Great essay, Glenn. And thanks for all the links in your essay. They buttress your themes and logically support your conclusions which I basically agree with a few caveats. But you nailed it for the most part.
I’m a retired baby boomer from the Rust Belt. I now live in a suburb, Stow, Ohio, near Kent State University, part of the Greater Akron Metro Area. Along with the Greater Cleveland Metro Area and perhaps Columbus, Ohio, it’s a little blue island in a sea of red in the Buckeye State. I grew up during the Golden Age, the late fifties and early sixties, of the working class when the smokestack industries provided a modicum of dignity and respect for average Americans. But I also served in Vietnam and after my discharge I went back to college on the GI Bill getting two degrees from Ohio State University. So even though I am college-educated and more of a progressive in my politics, I still remain in my heart and mind just a working class guy. And the elites long ago – beginning in the late 1970s with their plan of neoliberal deindustrialization of the smokestack industries in the heartland – abandoned the working class. It’s just took a couple of decades for all the toxic vultures in our national politics to fly home and come to roost. Which they obviously have in the campaigns of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Both candidates are a disaster for our country. That was why I voted for Bernie Sanders in the Ohio primary. He reminded me of that wing of old New Dealers from the FDR administration that held sway before the foreign policy debacle broke and tore apart the Democratic Party in the 1968 presidential elections. Sanders at least was trying to channel this groundswell of disillusionment and despair we are now experiencing in this current presidential election. If FDR saved capitalism and therefore democracy, and then President Barack Obama saved it once again though in a halfhearted manner conceding so much to the elites he surrounded himself with for advice and counsel, and even though it only now limps along out of ICU, at least Sanders offered a way to ameliorate the contradictions in predatory capitalism that has left so many Americans in the dustbin of history and that is destroying any vestiges of democracy left in our country. If Jill Stein of the Green Party is on the ballot in Ohio, I will vote for her. And if not, well, I’m just sitting out this election. Or, as a joke, I may write in Tlyer Durden of The Fight Club Party on the ballot, which seems to be what America has become as prophetically portrayed in David Fincher’s Fight Club classic. “The first rule of Fight Club is: You do Not talk about Fight Club!”
What I want to compliment you on, though, is that you linked the foreign policy debacle in the Global War On Terror ( GWOT ) to the economic meltdown of 2008. At least during the era of the Vietnam War, because I worked summers in the local steel mill in Lorain, Ohio, before my military service, I came back with my union membership to a good-paying job with benefits saved for me by the nuin that provided me with a transition back into civilian life before I went off to OSU. All that is essentially gone now for average guys today like me from the working class. And my $10,000 in educational benefits along with a $300.00 a month stipend as a teaching assistant paid for both my degrees. And I was married with two small children. That would be a fantasy, even at a public university such as OSU, in today’s economy.
So, from my perspective, that is, my subjective truth, the chaos of the era during the Vietnam War is being repeated in broad historical brushstrokes in the era of the GWOT. The economic meltdown just provides a perfect storm as America continues its decline when Saigon fell to the NVA in April, 1975, which occurred just a few years before the genesis of the deindustrialization of the heartland. Neoliberlaism is the economic equivalent to General Carl von Clausewitz’s often quoted proverb that “war is the contribution of politics by other means.”
That was why I was so against GWB’s Iraq War resolution. It eerily reminded me of LBJ’s Gulf of Tonkin resolution. And it still boggles the mind that such limousine liberals as Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, who is also a fellow Vietnam veteran, voted for GWB’s resolution. It was a moral capitulation of epic proportions, and they obviously knew better but caved into the war hysteria which swept the country after the 9/11 attacks.
Again, Glenn, great essay. You are among a handful of public intellectuals such as Professor Noam Chomsky from whom I can trust and more importantly I can learn when I read one of your articles. Keep up the good work. And keep fighting the good fight. And best of buck to the editorial staff and you at The Intercept, which is a great website.
Man, the West really sucks.
Excellent work! You are a marksman within a media of hamfisted club throwers.
I do not disagree and what will not change, in spite of the vote, is that whatever cost is to be paid for Brexit it will be paid by the none-too-wealthy Brexiteers and not the elites they have a beef with. And certainly not cost will not be borne principally in Brussels but London. Some will say it is a price worth paying. They are by and large nativists and nationalits who would sooner shoot the boat than let anyone else get on it . Good night and good luck.
Glenn, this piece of work is outstanding! The bar just keeps getting raised here. Thank you.
Yeah, the whole western world stinks.
Next case.
Great work Glenn! Keep it coming!
Strikingly perceptive, Mr. Greenwald. Striking mainly in the sad fact that it is so rare and exceptional for any member of the journalistic establishment (if, indeed, you are still such) to so honestly address the flaws of the globalist eco-political system.
Whether one leans towards a hysterical “The Bilderburgers/Davos crowd/Illuminati are implementing a One World government!” explanation or favors a more measured “Global capitalism is falling into its natural wildly unequal division of spoils” response, what is HAPPENING, as a reality experienced by billions, is clear to those billions but a mere phantasm to those who’ve benefitted from it. A phantasm to be handwaved away by the journalistic cheerleaders who should be, but are not, shining light into and brushing cobwebs away from the dark corners of our cheerless 21st century oligarchy.
It is a small measure of hope to know some few still feel it is through a search for the TRUTH, however incomplete the result and imperfect our final understanding thereof, that we will be best equipped to resolve the problems carried over from the 20th century…or, if not “resolve”, at least to “address with a minimum of mass murder, stark totalitarian oppression, and megatheft.”.
The Brexit vote was close and the results could easily have gone the other way. The results are not that different from any other British election 50/50.
It doesn’t matter how close the vote was – the majority voted to leave the EU. The result was not 50/50 as more people voted for Brexit. I hope that you can understand that.
Agree with just about everything Glenn states. However, I think perhaps he doesn’t have enough association with the mass of many. Because to deny there is a huge store of ignorance in America is to also deny reality. Maybe that isn’t what was fueling the Brexit vote but, that certainly is what’s fueling Trump and his presidential bid. Americans love to hate. Americans especially love to hate “eggheads.” For far too many Americans, critical thinking is a lost art.
Glad someone — you — said this.
Americans in particular (but also a significant sample of the British voters if post-Brexit interviews are to be believed) are worshiping at the altar of willful ignorance. The religious imagery is intentional because those same critical NON-thinkers are often the first to fling biblical verses to defend their positions.
EU Trade Commissioner: No trade talks until full Brexit BBC News :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36678222
Hopefully, the UK, following Brexit, will never become a party to the Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership, and we can retain our sovereignty. Who cares if we become “back of the queue for US led trade pacts that benefit only the huge multinationals. The UK must rebuild its manufacturing base, and become more self sufficient, and we must have new political parties that represent the electorate, rather than just the elite and their corporations.
The day after the referendum on the EU, the French Finance minister announced that France could not support TTIP as it goes against the ethos of the EU. That was confirmed a couple of days later by Hollande. So as long as one member state vetoes it, it’s as good as dead.
I wonder if this would have altered the vote in the UK ? A good few people were claiming TTIP to be a factor in their choice to leave the EU.
The answer to the question – Where do we go from here ?
Is contained in the book :
“Small is Beautiful is E. F. Schumacher’s stimulating and controversial study of economics and its purpose. This remarkable book examines our modern economic system – its use of resources and impact on how we live – questioning whether they reflect what we truly care about. The revolutionary ideas are as pertinent, inspirational and thought-provoking today as when they were first published in 1973″.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Small-Beautiful-Economics-People-Mattered/dp/0099225611/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467323752&sr=8-1&
Thank you Mister–I will read it.
To: Bayou J. Thank you. Your question is the one which should be addressed next. I would appreciate accurate figures on GDP, taxation and the reality of providing an acceptable standard of living for 300 + million American citizens. While I appreciate the article–I get it. We all get it. It’s simple to understand the elite’s insularity and greed and the enraged masses. I beg The Intercept to take it one step further. Hire accountants, economists or whatever it takes and move away from opinion and into reality. Tell us what is possible not what is probable.
So if we all agree …where do we go from here and when?
Where do you want to go? Go there and let the so-called elites follow if they want
I mean, it’s hard work but you really have to break it down, day-by-day, to do things you think you should and not do those that support terribleness. Should you support the Federal Reserve? Where does your effort lead?…is it to something productive and if not, why not and (even against adversarial corruption) how can it become so?
Beyond that, like it or not, one has to get esoteric and trust that the same inner change is going on in those around you and – while you may have to fight in your own way – fight until you are not the only one fighting :)
It seems easy to posit grandiose sea changes but – unless we want more overly-centered power in undeserved hands, the fact of the matter is we each have to fight/work/investigate/think through it until we’ve found our own way
Hate to break it to ya, but we’ll probably have a new concept of “government” at hand if the hopeful succeed and, if noone can wrap their minds around it, just give up and regress to feudalism already :b
The answer is contained in the book by Sulak Sivaraksa The Wisdom of Sustainability.
“Not only a critique of consumerism and the current economic model, The Wisdom of Sustainability is an urgent and essential outline of the alternatives that can begin to heal our planet by creating sustainability at both the individual and global levels. In the wake of the economic crash no other author is as topical, challenging and far-sighted in offering a way towards a sane and just society”.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wisdom-Sustainability-Buddhist-Economics-Century/dp/028563898X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467322881&
The logical measure of these events is the progress or retrogress of democratic power. Will Brexit provide the neoliberally conservative and conservatively neoliberal establishment in the UK the opportunity to strengthen the already existing neoliberal order under cover of (avoiding) referendum-induced chaos, thus further transforming the working class into a permanent precariat, distantiated even more from the possibility of enjoying genuine democratic governmental responsiveness and representation? Or, conversely, will Brexit reduce the likelihood of continued British involvement in ongoing American-led military interventions in the Greater Middle East and elsewhere (e.g. in Syria)?
Brexit was predicated, of course, on a fundamental questioning of the democratically-detrimental links between Britain and a supposed EU superstate, however, there was, for perhaps obvious reasons, no comparable/parallel questioning of Britain’s relationship to U.S. hegemonic policy, even though needless to say this also (as in the transcendentally important case of the Iraq War) has an inestimably reductive effect on the British government’s democratic responsiveness to an overwhelmingly anti-interventionist British public. A comparison of the largely coterminous (with the EU) undemocratic institutional power of NATO also immediately comes to mind. Ditto for the inherently anti-sovereigntist, anti-democratic makeup of TTIP (which makes the EU seem a paragon of democratic responsiveness in comparison). Already, anti-democratic ‘mini-coups’ are being set off as a direct consequence of Brexit: PM Cameron’s imminent departure (essentially a self-decapitated government and governing Party); the Blairite revanchist attempted “coup” (sic) against democratically-chosen, highly popular leader Jeremy Corbyn; the mystifying/poll-defying post-Brexit electoral setbacks against anti-neoliberal/anti-austeritarian party Unidos Podemos in Spain: all of which seemingly conspire to cause one to wonder whether Brexit (improvisationally or otherwise) will prove to be the biggest neoliberal coup of them all?
watching the BS ooze from obama’s mouth in ottawa. highlights:
the uk is apparently only going to buy and sell thing internally now. okay.
everyone who brexited is a hypocrite cuz they supposedly “want to trade with the eu”. cuz trade and sovereignty are the same thing i guess.
“if this brexit goes through”. again, they voted wrong and he hopes they see the light before some of his friends in the currency market decide to wreck the pound or whatever.
speaking of which, he’s “monitoring” the financial system to make sure ending an agreement from 1992 doesn’t take us back to some crazy mad max stone age shit.
same level of actual importance and humility we’ve seen from re(main)tards and the chamber of commerce with their “we hate trump: elections over then!” announcement.
As in the Macro Economy also for us, small orchard owners in Mexico, Globalization has turned upside down our lives, society, family and modus vivendi!!!We produce Colima lemons at $4 Mexican pesos and the market price is $3, AND is hard as H… to get paid!!!! Theres is no cash in the country….is a commodity for Politicians, Drug Lords and Church!!!!!!! Loved your article!
Another very informative and interesting article, Glenn.
I was wondering what you think of Noam Chomsky’s recent analysis (which, I think, is complementary to your own – see below) of the shift to the extreme right of the Republican Party in recent years. In particular, I’m curious whether you think there is a plausible analogy to be drawn with the UK mainstream media’s virtually relentless emphasis on the alleged dangers of immigrants and immigration and the subsequent Brexit vote?
“Now, the actual policies of the Republicans […] is basically enrich and empower the very rich and the very powerful and the corporate sector. You cannot get votes that way. So therefore the Republicans have been compelled to turn to sectors of the population that can be mobilized and organized on other grounds, kind of trying to put to the side the actual policies, hoping, the establishment hopes, that the white working class will be mobilized to vote for their bitter class enemies, who want to shaft them in every way, by appealing to something else, like so-called social conservatism—you know, abortion rights, racism, nationalism and so on. And to some extent, that’s happened. […] So what you have is a voting base consisting of evangelical Christians, ultranationalists, racists, disaffected, angry, white working-class sectors that have been hit very hard, that are—you know, not by Third World standards, but by First World standards, we even have the remarkable phenomenon of an increase in mortality among these sectors, that just doesn’t happen in developed societies. All of that is a voting base. It does produce candidates who terrify the corporate, wealthy, elite establishment. In the past, they’ve been able to beat them down. This time they aren’t doing it.” (http://www.democracynow.org/2016/5/17/chomsky_todays_republican_party_is_a)
Brilliant analysis, Glenn.
“Though there were some exceptions, establishment political and media elites in the U.K. were vehemently united against Brexit”
Eh?? Media elites were “vehemently united against Brexit”??
So the Sun and the Daily Mail, by far the two best-selling newspapers in Britain, and both of which campaigned ferociously and unambiguously FOR Brexit don’t count as media elites? Not to mention the Telegraph, the voice of the British establishment, which also backed Leave.
As for political elites, I suppose the likes of Boris Johnson, Eton & Oxford educated career politician who was Mayor of London for 8 years, is somehow exempt from “elite” status for convenience in this case. Not that your article mentions him of course, or Michael Gove (Chief Whip, Justice Secretary), Ian Duncan Smith (former Tory leader, former Work & Pensions Secretary) etc. etc. etc. “Some exceptions” covers them all, I suppose…
With all due respect: I think that you read the article the wrong way. You are right on the Murdoch yellow press and Johnson, Gove & co but Glenn referred to the sinister forces who exploit the sentiment of abandonment. Glenn did not say that those who do that are not part of the elite, too. It’s ridiculous to assume that Glenn thinks that The Donald is not part of the elites.
Allow me as a non-Marxist to abuse a Marxist trope: It is on their own contradiction that the capitalist class will fall.
Thank you, Mr. Greenwald, for writing this. I have been struggling to articulate what bothers me so much about the characterization of the Brexit vote and the rise of US populism as fundamentally rooted in reactionary ignorance and racist hatred…and you have given a voice to my jumbled inner thoughts. Over the last few years I have found myself unable to identify with more and more of my well-educated, materially comfortable, liberal friends. At first it was their unwillingness to entertain any criticism whatsoever of the current administration, and then I began to recognize a pattern of seemingly deliberate avoidance of alternative views which challenged them to examine national and international crises. It was so much easier for my White Hat Liberal friends to blame everything on the Black Hat Republicans and Tea Partiers, and to label folks like me as Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy Theorists. I don’t know if sane and dedicated journalists like you can break through the program to reach the neoliberal elites and the people who act as their unwitting tools, but you have my deepest respect for your efforts to do so.
Bravo! Very insightful and best analysis about US and UK politics I’ve read yet.
Fucking brilliant. Thanks Glen.
Photosymbiosis
“…….Craigsummers is one of the most dishonest long-winded blowhards ever seen in any internet comment section – is there a prize for that?……”
Only topped by you Photo. Of course you are cherry-picking the results. NAFTA is extremely complicated to evaluate, but according to Geronimo Gutierrez (NYT, 2013):
“……Trade between the United States and Mexico reached nearly $500 billion in 2012, which represents more than a six-fold increase since 1992 when Nafta negotiations concluded…..As for Mexico’s interest in this bilateral relationship, it can be summarized in two facts: about 80 percent of Mexico’s exports go to the U.S., while 50 percent of the accumulated foreign direct investment received between 2000 and 2011 comes from its northern neighbor………”
These results strongly suggest that NAFTA was mutually beneficial despite the loss of jobs in Mexican agriculture, and the loss of manufacturing jobs in the US. Bernie Sanders goes on to explain the “disastrous” results of the Free trade agreements:
“…….In the last 15 years, nearly 60,000 factories in this country have closed, and more than 4.8 million well-paid manufacturing jobs have disappeared. Much of this is related to disastrous trade agreements that encourage corporations to move to low-wage countries…….”
Those jobs presumably went to Mexico, China and elsewhere which clearly benefits POC (as Pedinska calls anyone not white). Pedinska posted some other statistics regarding NAFTA:
“……NAFTA affected U.S. workers in four principal ways. First, it caused the loss of some 700,000 jobs as production moved to Mexico……..”
No one should be shocked by that development. Gary Hufbauer writing for the NYT 2013:
“…….Nafta was not about the net creation or destruction of U.S. jobs; it was about better jobs and lower costs. On account of Nafta, jobs moved between sectors of the vast U.S. economy. Perhaps 60,000 U.S. workers were dislocated annually in the first decade, and they had to find new jobs in other industries. Losing a job for whatever reason is always painful, but Nafta dislocations were small compared with annual unemployment (in the 1990s) of around 8 million……”
China and Mexico benefited by increased jobs in their manufacturing sectors while US workers moved into other jobs (even if Mexico agricultural workers took a hit). Mexico and China produced lower cost products and US corporations were able to compete in the global markets (going out of business does the US worker no good). The main point is, however, the implied xenophobia and racism by Sanders and Trump as foreign workers gained jobs reducing poverty in their respective countries, and decreasing the difference in the standard of living between the west and the developing world.
Does anyone really believe that Sanders or Trump are going to risk initiating a world trade war to try to recover jobs that are lost forever?
CraigSummers v CraigSummers
The Hypocrite Strikes Back at Himself: Episode MCMVIII
– CraigSummers, using sarcasm – quite clearly – to strike a concerning pose for people of color.
– CraigSummers, giving his serious thoughts about people of color.
He was responding – with nothing to indicate sarcasm in that post or the ones that followed – to the news that Pakistanis get upset and angry when American drone attacks kill their neighbors and families.
That is completely senseless Doc. The “fuck the yellow and brown people if they don’t have a job” is the fear mongering by Trump and Sanders that foreign workers are taking American jobs and they want to renegotiate the free trade agreements. Brown and Yellow people deserve jobs too.
And the other is a reference to Pakistanis who whine about US drone attacks in Pakistan when it is their government (Pakistan) which provides a safe haven for the Taliban in Pakistan. The Taliban account for 75% of the civilian casualties in Afghanistan, and they are funded and supported by the Pakistan government. The Pakistan government has blood on its hands in Afghanistan. Do you see the difference Doc?
One correction though:
“……He was responding – with nothing to indicate sarcasm in that post or the ones that followed – to the news that Pakistanis get upset and angry when American drone attacks kill their neighbors and families……”
Corrected to
“……He was responding – with nothing to indicate sarcasm in that post or the ones that followed – to the news that Pakistanis get upset and angry when American drone attacks [occasionally] kill their neighbors and families [while killing Taliban terrorists and al-Qaeda operatives provided a safe haven in Pakistan by the Pakistan government]……”
Thanks Doc (back to the drawing boards)
– craigsummers, unaware that’s exactly what is being pointed-out: his hypocrisy in criticizing others for the contempt and disdain he displays towards “brownies” (as he’s called dark-skinned people before).
I know exactly what you were pointing out Doc. I just put things in perspective. By the way Doc, Mona writes (on another thread):
“…….It’s all over for the Israel Lobby’c control of both U.S. parties…….”
Do you believe that Jews run US foreign policy? I have also posted a list of Mona’s remarks several times in the past. Gator90 writes:
“………When some fuckstick makes an anti-semitic remark here and the people who read it say nothing, they are allowing the remark to stand without opposition or hindrance. They are putting up with it. Which is their right, of course. But that’s what they are doing……..”
You won’t answer Doc because first and foremost, you are a coward.
Thanks Doc.
Craig, while I can’t really stop you from quoting me, I would nevertheless appreciate being left out of your “Mona is a bigot” crusade, the premise of which I (as you well know) reject.
Fair enough, Gator. I would say it has become more of a “crusade” to expose the hypocrites below the line like DocHollywood. There is nothing more to prove about Mona. Here is another unbelievable response by Mona who cannot even sympathize – at all – with Jewish history.
In a post, I wrote:
“…….One of the more important aspects of the anti-Zionist strategy is to deny the reasons for Zionism. They do this consciously and unconsciously…….”
Doug Salzmann responded:
“…….I haven’t seen any evidence of the truth of that assertion, Craig. I think we all understand the reasons why Jews have long felt the need for safe spaces to live and to openly express their culture(s)…….”
Mona’s response to Doug:
“……..The Holocaust is the only argument I will seriously consider as a justification for 1948 (I ultimately reject it). But it does not begin to excuse the failure to compensate and make amends to Zionism’s victims; indeed, instead Zionist crimes against the victims have continued since the foundation of Israel…….”
In this case, Mona denies the centuries of antisemitism which led to the Zionist movement. She treats the Holocaust like it was an isolated event. It would be the equivalent of denying the hundreds of years of racism directed at the African American community which led to busing and affirmative action in the late 1960s and 1970s – even if you disagree on principle with busing and affirmative action. When I ask Mona where she would put the murder of 50,000-250,000 Jews in Russia between 1917 and 1921, she won’t answer. She has zero intentions of sympathizing with any Jewish history. All humans have bigotries. Most of us try to keep them in the closet. Mona willingly exposes her anti-Jewish bigotry for all who are willing to listen.
Thanks.
Of course he knows.
Craigsummers is a bigot and a witless ninny. To evade the scorn his posts have earned him, he tried – and failed – to project his execrable traits onto someone by misrepresenting someone else. The sleaze ball is determined to find new lows.
Kissing Gator’s ass won’t absolve you of your tolerance for bigotry when it is politically expedient. You are a classic far left wing hypocrite.
Thanks Doc.
These two brexit voter demographic stats help bring some perspective. They don’t exactly support this elite versus non-elite argument. It looks more like young and educated versus old and not educated.
Vote By Age
18-24 yr olds – 75% Remain, 25% Leave
25-49yr olds – 56 % Remain, 44% Leave
50-64yr olds – 44% Remain, 56% Leave
65yrs and up – 39% Remain, 61% Leave
Vote By Education
High School – 34% Remain, 66% Leave
Sixth-form college – 54 % Remain, 46% Leave
Higher education but no degree – 52% Remain, 48% Leave
Degree – 71% Remain, 29% Leave
Source: Politico.
And just as interesting is this poll which asked what is Most Important Factor to the voter. UK decisions and immigration were the reasons for leaving.
Leave Voters
49% – UK decisions should be made in UK
33% – Immigration and borders
13% – EU powers and membership decisions
6% – Economic, trade benefts from leaving
Remain Voters
43% – Risk to economy, jobs, and prices
31% – Access to the EU single market
17% – Feeling more isolated by leaving
9% – Shared history and culture with EU
Source: Ashcroft Polls.
Great article Glenn … beautifully written too
Bernie Sanders in an Op Ed at the New York Times this morning:
“…….We need to fundamentally reject our “free trade” policies and move to fair trade. Americans should not have to compete against workers in low-wage countries who earn pennies an hour. We must defeat the Trans-Pacific Partnership. We must help poor countries develop sustainable economic models……….”
In the mean time, fuck the brown and yellow people if they don’t have a job. I am certain that trade wars would benefit everyone on the planet. Bernie Sanders is engaging in the same shameless xenophobia practiced by the far right in the US and Europe – but it does explain the popularity of candidates like Trump and sanders.
Fact – you lack the ability to read for meaning.
What Sanders is saying is that we should not be forcing “yellow” and “brown” (way to be racist there champ) people to work for pennies while doing back-breaking work via what amounts to legal slavery – especially if that means making an entire sub-class of “working poor” in America.
But fuck critical thinking if you get to use the term “xenophobia”. This is why Trump is winning… idiot.
Even more Dishonest obfuscation from the neoliberal elite apologist / neocon war promoter – a endless stream of BS.
It’s been explained to him that the “brown” people in Mexico had a strong agricultural sector before NAFTA facilitated the dumping of cheap corn on Mexican markets, driving many small farmers into bankruptcy. They could work in the sweatshops, then, or migrate to the US to serve as sub-minimum wage labor. Once the farmers were gone, U.S. agribusiness began to rig the markets, jacking up corn prices because they had no local competition.
Craigsummers knows this, he just likes to lie through his teeth to promote his agenda.
And as explained to him, China only survived the 1997 Asian crisis because it refused to go along with the kind of free trade deals that Washington promotes, such as the TPP; that’s why they are the world’s manufacturing powerhouse; they ignore TPP-like ‘free trade’ laws on ‘intellectual property'; thhey refuse to allow their currency to be manipiulated by the Soros cabal, so clowns like Trump and Obama call the Chinese ‘currency manipulators.’
Craigsummers is one of the most dishonest long-winded blowhards ever seen in any internet comment section – is there a prize for that?
“is there a prize for that?”
Actually yes, it’s called the Pinocchio award. ;)
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Sorry…wrong link. Try this one!
An elitist idiot like you happens to have a trust funded bank account just big enough so that you can write this tripe: “that’s why they are the world’s manufacturing powerhouse.” You wouldn’t have one of those Chinese death camp factories built within five hundred miles of your elitist little haven and you write this nonsense. Before you go to bed, make sure your maid knows to bring a bottle of warm milk and your binkie.
Mr Greenwald bandies “Liberal” around as though there really is a liberal working in either the Democratic party or the mainstream media on either side of the pond. As a lifelong Capital L Liberal, I find it offensive to be grouped together with either, and moreso invoked as the same rejection of the establishment which’s screwed We The People, and didn’t resort to hate for anything but the government and complicit media’s corruption.
Donald Trump hardly strikes me as anti-establishment. I suppose if by Establishment you mean NWO, Globalism, the Bilderbergers, etc., then I maybe the label works some. We have to keep in mind that the Establishment is something we see through a glass darkly and not face to face. I doubt anyone commenting here would much enjoy spending time with any of these people except as a sociological or zoological field trip. I suspect most of them would qualify as sociopaths, while a few would be recognized as psychopaths. So the picture we get of these people is generally balderized. You won’t find superior men and women in their ranks. Unfortunately they are the people that pull the strings in the EU and the USA. They would prefer a nice totalitarian arrangement such as Stalin had. What surprises me is the extent to which the left more or less supports these people at least covertly. Glenn in the above article aligns himself with Soros, Clinton, Kerry and Obama just to mention a few. It is easy to see why the Elite were against Brexit as it complicates their world government project. But a lot of commenters are sold on what Glenn has penned. Puzzling indeed.
Yep! “We the people (proles)” are supposed to remain quite, “patriotic” in the ways we are told, entertained watching TV, worrying about celebrities, Royal families …
RCL
The two-faced backpedalling of the neofascist right who supported Brexit is on full display in EU Council Chambers. Here’s UKIP leader Nigel Farage:
There you have it – the neofascist right’s attempt to placate the London banksters by keep capital flows unregulated, while also playing to xenophobic racist efforts to keep out Muslims, Poles, and other ‘ethnic undesirables.’ A complete betrayal of the economic argument for Brexit, also seen in Boris Johnson’s about-face.
This is really the opposite of what the ecological left wants.
Consider: the EU rules permit the free flow of people, goods, services and capital – but it is capital that has caused the biggest problems, not people. Capital flows into and out of Greece are at the heart of the Greek economic crisis, which led to the German bailout and the IMF austerity package.
EU trade rules on goods are also problematic; trade between Britain and India or Brazil suffers high tariffs, while EU member states get preferential deals – and those rules are written in Brussels. This has hurt some British companies that want to trade with Brazil and India.
Instead, the pro-Brexit left is calling for more local democratic control over international finance and trade, not the restriction of the movement of people. The corporate media is refusing to discuss this position, since they’re owned by the financial cartels.
Wait a minute! With globalization we meant that we will mess with everybody not that when we do we will have to deal with some minimal “unexpected” consequences, like having refugees reaching our shores!
How ungrateful of those savage semi-humans! Isn’t it enough we have done them the favor of exploiting them, bombing their countries and destroying their societies?
Why are they migrating to our countries? Will we have to end up bombing our own country next?
To Peter Maass ( RE “The Hunter” ): Vermin has to be flushed out of its hiding place before a human face can be put on it.
Trey Gowdy is free at last and perhaps the The Intercept should court him to share some of their massive funding to do some more fine investigative reporting. (Trey only charged 7 million last time.) Just think, you can sign on to the Intercept and say things like: ” war-loving neocons that — long before Trump — viewed the former Democratic New York senator and secretary of state as their best hope for having their agenda and interests served.” And nobody will fact check that. You are billionaire funded and so you can do as you please, spouting off nonsense like this article, using the word elite 40 times! And since there is no oversight, and like Mr. Gowdy, you’re on a partisan witch burning rant, you can ignore little old facts like Mr. Kagan’s (of whom your NY Times link was mainly referring to) scathing op-ed in the Washington Post of May 13, 2015… “Is that the kind of leadership she proposes to offer us?” Mr. Kagan writes. “For a candidate who as yet faces no primary challenge, to cower in the face of possible criticism from the irresponsible wing of her party gives little assurance that she has what it takes to lead the nation in the very difficult years ahead.” Oh, but I can hear the bullshit now: but… Kagan… was among the 25 members of Foreign Affairs Policy Board under Clinton and Kerry! That’s called naive cherry picking by somebody who has not a clue about the State Department or diplomacy. Where is Glenn Greenwald’s policy suggestions for Israel. My guess, he will end up right where Noam Chomsky ended up: THE CLINTON PARAMETERS.
The Clinton’s are not monsters. They are investigated precisely because they are not elite.
Guess what, when you take money from an elite in order to write what you please without the slightest editorial oversight, you don’t get to use the word elite 40 times in your article. Unless you’re playing to a crowd of Trumpian-like sycophants. Yeah, Glenn is brilliant! A genius, he said just what I was feeling and all the facts that he miraculously came up with on Google fit perfectly!
Conflating Hillary Clinton with Donald Trump is as egregious lie as any told by Trump himself. Mr. Greenwald last fall made numerous relatively positive inferences regarding Mr. Trump, in order to somehow prove that Hillary Clinton is equally egregious. And no, the White Messiah from Vermont is not a socialist who nobody noticed, socialists run from the messiah. And no, he wasn’t ignored, and no the primary wasn’t stolen from him. He got far, far, far more positive press than Hillary Clinton, and not a single negative ad run against him. Pretty good for a one trick pony from a state of 600,000 people with a 1.2 percent minority population. No wonder he ran up there from Brooklyn!
Go screw yourself Jimmy, go take your mass media elite owned bitch arse back to your masters. You hate the Intercept because its fearless and tells the truth. Here’s a song to shame you and the rest of the corporate owned media.
Read all about it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaAVByGaON0
Dirty war loving neocon Nazis, war profiteering scum murderers – love it !
is this a serious reply? or comedy/sarcasm. embarrassing. the clintons are KNOWN abusers of women. people who taunt mentally ill people to the point of suicide. corrupt, money grubbing thieves who make speeches to the richest for hundreds of thousands of dollars, in essence pre-paid access for political favors. supporters of wars in which MILLIONS of civilians have died. and the feckless left wing saps believe all the lies they are told and are now helping fabricate new ones defending these horrible monsters.
Some books for Jimmy :-
Dirty Wars by Jeremy Scahill
Blackwater by Jeremy Scahill
George Bush War Criminal Michael Haas
The Shock Doctrine Naomi Klein
The assassination Complex Jeremy Scahill
Pay any price, greed power and endless warJames Risen
I’ve read all of them except Hass and Risen. I like Scahill, at some point he’s going to cut Greenwald loose, he calls Bernie out for what he is, an idiot war mongering cruise missile liberal. Glenn didn’t like that, didn’t go with his idiotic black and white view.
Meanwhile, you’re a drooling sycophant, swimming around in your holier than thou sea. Glad I don’t know you. Probably never worked a day in your life. You ought to sign up with Trey Gowdy and the rest of the Tea Baggers. Their intelligence and yours is about equal. Go investigate Vince Foster with them. Don’t bother with checking out the 9.8 million who’ve been aided by the Clinton Foundation in obtaining AIDS meds, just come up with the other drivel you find on Google to confirm your puerile nonsense. You’re bought and sold by the faux left, writing idiotic comments on the billionaire funded site that criticizes billionaires and calls them elite and yet somehow exempts itself from the same. I can smell the trust fund all over you. I’d laugh if you and your kind weren’t so pathetic.
For the Blairites to use the Brexit result to try to oust Jeremy Corbyn is nothing short of disgusting. The Blairite filth within the Labour party do not respect democracy, and there betrayal of their leader is yet more proof.In reality there biggest fear is that Jeremy Corbyn will win the next election, not that he will lose it for Labour as they falsely claim. Labour under the wealthy war criminal Tony Blair, were a disgrace, and they destroyed the Labour party, and damaged the socialist movement in the UK. The Blairites are scum, and it is they that need purging from the Labour party so that we can have an electable opposition party.
I don’t know what’s more offensive… Jeremy Corbyn or your spelling.
thank you. The most concise article so far.
“They are the byproduct of fundamental cultural pathologies within Western elite circles…”
Actually Iraq, 2008, Libya, etc. are not cultural issues, but at bottom economic ones. Expansive capital needs to conquer and control the ground, and if finance capital crumbles behind the lines, then the government will pick it back up so that the whole enterprise can continue.
I.E. the pathology is growing out of their full wallets.
“False Prophets Hype Brexit Disaster”
http://www.rense.com/general96/falseproph.htm
New world order con man/billionaire speculator George Soros, known for profiting from color revolutions, imperial wars and neoliberal harshness warned of disaster from Brexit, saying:
“Now the catastrophic scenario that many feared has materialized…the disintegration of the EU (is) practically irreversible,”
“Britain eventually may or may not be relatively better off than other countries by leaving the EU, but its economy and people stand to suffer significantly in the short to medium term.”
“All sorts of demagogues and extremists will try to redirect mass anger for their own ends. Revolts against corrupt elite institutions can usher in reform and progress, but they can also create a space for the ugliest tribal impulses: xenophobia, authoritarianism, racism, fascism. One sees all of that, both good and bad, manifesting in the anti-establishment movements throughout the U.S., Europe, and the U.K. — including Brexit. All of this can be invigorating, or promising, or destabilizing, or dangerous: most likely a combination of all that.
…The solution is not to subserviently cling to corrupt elite institutions out of fear of the alternatives. It is, instead, to help bury those institutions and their elite mavens and then fight for superior replacements.
…As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say FUCK YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them.”
Glenn Greenwald
Hi. I understand what you’re saying somewhat ,but in other places not so much. I’m wondering if you are saying that the solution is to bury institutions and elite mavens with the only choice fuck you vote. And if you don’t make that choice then you are subserviently clinging to corrupt elite institutions?
(I’m sure with Trump as pres institutions will fall but which ones) Of course you may not be prescribing anything at all, just making observations.
There are people who would NEVER be considered elite in the real world who would rather not vote for the very likely results of empowering a hypersensitive authoritarian especially because for one they have to live here but also feel the entire system bites–in other words what could have kept someone like that in check before doesn’t really exist anymore.
I’m sure there has been some misunderstandings about why people support Trump and Brexit but its not hard to misunderstand their leaders and they have the mic.
The target of “anti-establishment rage” is not just institutions but also anyone who doesn’t sufficiently hate Hillary Clinton or Muslims or whoever crosses Trump. So there are a lot of misunderstandings going on about voters nowadays.
I do think I understand some of it, though understand doesnt mean agree exactly.
The war on terrorism has been going on for 14 years. So why can’t we win? We have high powered surveillance and weapons yet there is no end in sight to the wars in the Middle East or threat of terrorist attack.
The only opinion people are being allowed to have about the cause of the war on terrorism and the only explanation being offered is to hate and blame Islam, tolerance and diversity for the length of the war and the lack of win.
Its certain degrees of Islam coming after us and those tolerant progressives allowing it, dontcha know. Democrat politicians try to appear decent and say its only some kinds of Islam we are fighting but that is still saying we are at war with a religion
But naturally, if we are at war in the Middle East because of their religion and people including Americans are dying for it, then why are they being allowed to come here? If they are taking our jobs then again why are they being allowed to come here? (Same with Mexicans)
You hear about our alliance with Saudi Arabia and wonder how that factors into winning a war on an extreme version of a religion.
So in my opinion the right is gaining power because they are addressing the inconsistency in the so called pro humanitarian fight against only certain degrees of a religion intervention, which also has no end in sight, that also accepts a win is impossible–but it is human nature to want to see war end and avoid certain threats that come with losing
The people are being ditched in many ways with no questions being honestly answered. The only explanations being given are from the right, to finish us all off no doubt, but explanation it is. At least we can all feel good and say fuck it for one last time.
Anyone else that could offer some sane uniting leadership is too busy being involved in the melodrama of politician personality wars to try to help create some clarity on this issue or who knows why. There are lots of intelligent people out there.
This comment is way too long but I want to add that there are people who believe in humanitarian intervention and are stunned that we have a new group of Muslims to fight in the Middle East. I’m sure there are military propagandists that take advantage of it but it doesnt change that fact that some people do believe that it can be a force of good so it might be beneficial to us all to argue against the reasoning rather than the people who support it and the methods for those who prefer being a solid war monger.
As a suggestion: maybe this site could host either call in discussions or something in person. Rent out a few banquet rooms at some hotel for everyone to chat? Oh forget it, we would never get past whether guns should be allowed at the event.
http://www.businessinsider.com/baby-boomers-ruining-the-world-2016-6
Re-education has implemented prodound cultural change in Asia. To the countryside….
Awesome article. I’ve shared in on FB, hope it gets as wide exposure as possible. Elites & those identify with them, even if unconsciously, need to read this.
Good question, Doug. It appears she is immune to shame in the way Trump is. She often tells the board to not read a particular commenter because she has determined the board should not be exposed to a viewpoint.
Look how she responds when she does read someone’s post:
What is further inflamed is self-evident; -Mona-
-Mona-‘s main impact is disruption and not discourse; shameful behavior for any but for an attorney, who frequently reminds us she is a former law partner of Glenn, …
Inequality is certainly an enormous looming issue: the rich have forgotten the social contract that they leave a little for the poor, and in return the poor don’t kill them. But the immediate problem is that the economy is bad and most government policy (austerity) is making it worse.
Here’s an excellent economic – geopolitical analysis of the Brexit phenomenon and the crisis facing the EU and the neoliberal consensus:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/28/the-end-of-the-atlantic-project-slamming-the-brakes-on-the-neoliberal-order/
British politics:
The Remain campaign’s strategy:
Some of the real issues facing Britain’s economy:
The geopolitical factors:
What’s the British phrase for what the neoliberal elite, Cameron in particular, has accomplised? Right, here we go:
“Hoisted by his own petard”
“German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she will use “all her strength” to prevent the EU from drifting apart.”
hmmmmm, maybe the EU will not want them to Leave. Germany seems to want them to stay. I keep wondering how far the EU will go to keep them in. I’m sure they won’t have to work very hard to accomplish it. After all, why should the vote of a few silly racists stop their plans.
I suspect the UK will not be going anywhere.
aljazeera*dot**com/news/2016/06/brexit-juncker-farage-spar-heated-brussels-debate-160628112629520.html
Merkel just said she’s willing to allow EU member states to write their own rules on capital flows across their borders, i.e. local democratic control over international finance, just so long as the free flow of people within the EU is not hindered – the opposite of the Boris Johnson agenda.
Chuckle. . . no, she didn’t say that. I wonder how she would respond to such a suggestion? I wonder if any politician or journalist with access to Merkel would press her to give a response?
Then why does the author over at Al Jazeera use quotes in the article? Usually, this denotes that the person in questions is being quoted verbatim. They have a picture of a speech, however it wasn’t video. Perhaps we should look closer.
I agree, it seems far fetched….but these governments have proven they Use crisis to grab power. It really wouldn’t surprise me if this would be their response to the people of the UK.
“You vote No, Fine, we’ll just take away more of your rights and privileges”
This IS how oppressive governments are….I’m sure you’d agree. :)
So, let me see if I have the timeline straight.
– On Thursday, a vote in the UK called BRExit calls for the UK to leave the EU.
– On Monday on Polish TV, a new caster says he has a leaked 9 page memo that Germany and France will create a Super State.
– On Tuesday, the Express states that France and Germany will also unveil a plan for a Super State and that it will basically be an Ultimatum. Ultimatums are not usually good as they are VERY confrontational. I’m sure this situation is ripe for confrontation.
Plans to make the EU into a Super State just don’t appear over night like this. If True, this plan would or could have taken months to develop, if not years.
Will this crisis be used as so many past crisis have been to Grab Power? If a plan like this does exist and moves forward, one has to wonder how long has this been the plan?
express*DOT*co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit
rt*DOT*com/news/348615-france-germany-eu-reform/
A very good article by Thomas Ferguson analysing the results of the primaries that has echoes in the results we have seen in the Brexit vote:
Defying the Investors
Welp, apparently my use of html to include links in text is non-functional, so….here’s the direct link:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/06/ferguson-clinton-sanders-election-democratic-party-trump/
The word is out that the EU is planned to change and break up Europe into new zones. That will give the people less influence and the EU federal government ultimate power. This crisis is planned toward an end that consolidates power to an even smaller few.
Are they already ‘broken up’ into smaller zones….I think they call them countries…..they are still calling them countries, aren’t they? I forget.
To say that Brexit and the rise of Trump is due to racism / xenophobia is lazy and dishonest. People want to have the control of their own destiny. The EU is a dictatorship with un-elected officials that create laws for the members. If your own Prime Minister or President can’t implement their policies than people get frustrated. The EU has essentially impoverished Greece for decades. When Greece wanted to make changes the EU didn’t want, they installed a puppet leader.
We have the same problems with NAFTA and the TPP. Once these agreements are in place, thats it, you have no control and can’t determine your own future as a democratic nation. NAFTA clearly hasn’t been a good policy when it comes to manufacturing jobs for the US and Canada yet it has never been on the table that we would consider getting out. Good for the UK. They should be extremely proud that they went against what every media outlet and Globalist politician said they should do, Frankly I was shocked that there is some democracy left in the world and they were able to vote and get out. Brexit is a win for the people of the world.
It’s impossible to read the 900+ comments so I am risking adding this which may have been said multiple times already:
Let’s add to the insightful article, regarding the incestuous relationship between the media elites and TPTB, and mention that specifically there was a left position favouring Brexit that never got mention in the MSM, leaving the field to the Farage’s and other bigots so that there appeared to be no ‘reasonable’ alternative to supporting the stay position. Tariq Ali, George Galloway and John Pilger live in the UK,, I admire each of them and they have given strong, principled reasons to leave the EU. I am delighted that Glenn Greenwald, who also lives outside the USA, and whom I have admired for many years has, and no surprise, turned his gimlet eye upon this Brexit election and the desperate reportage spin that has accompanied it.
Absolute nonsensical article… blaming “liberal neo-elites”, what a made up crock of a term, and elites in general, whatever the hell an “elite” is defined as -… for systemic political and economic failures is total and complete BS. GW was not an “elite”. Clinton and Blair were in no way left wing and were certainly not “elites”.
Trumpism and RW nuttiness has zero do to with “elites” and everything to do with a massive money infused spread of misinformation and lies while systemically raping the economy from the inside by the likes of the Kochs and the other RW 1%ers. Making up this class definition called “elites” does not in any way help or clarify the issues but instead attempts to blame some arbitrary boogeyman called “elites” that has nothing to do with people’s laziness at trying to comprehend and understand complex political, social, and economic issues instead of retreating to their overworked life and the boob tube/internet to waste their free time. Greenwald wants to blame the boogeyman “elites” for what is instead caused by deeply embedded racism, isolationism, and lack of critical thinking of an under-educated population that believes things like Obama is a Muslim and climate change is a left wing hoax. People all the time blame government (a subset of those “elites”) for every ill in their lives when it is often due to not voting, not being involved in their community, not learning and understanding complicated issues, and not bothering to educate themselves and their children.
Societal ills are not caused by this boogeyman “elites” but by the desire by people for simple easy solutions to complicated problems while money fuels a campaign against intelligent thoughtful solutions in favor of industry and corporate greed. Greenwald himself frames the issues in a simplistic left/right montage of BS. Things are not just black or white nor left or right and he should be too well aware of this. By continuing to promote duality and pretending that simple solutions are possible he promotes the continuing diatribe against critical thinking (things elites are accused of doing apparently which has caused this rebellion of Trumpism and an impulsive Brexit yea vote).
Neoliberalism can be generally defined as government policy that “liberates” capital flows from democratic control for the benefit of large coporations and their shareholders, in the service of a neocolonial agenda much like that of past European colonial empires.
“Neoliberal elites” is not a made-up term; they are the beneficiaries of these schemes, which have been implemented across the EU, as well as in the NAFTA trading block, also in South and Central America, Southeast Asia, etc. The victims are the middle class, which is steadily being pushed into poverty.
For example, in the EU, driving the Polish middle class into poverty and facilitating Polish immigration to Britain, where Poles can be paid less than the British workers will accept, is a scheme to cut labor costs in Britain and enrich the neoliberal elite. Privating Greece electricity, cutting their social services, and turning the country into an IMF debt slave is another such scheme.
The exact same policy has been applied to Mexico via NAFTA; U.S. jobs are outsourced to Mexico, U.S. corn is dumped on Mexican markets, driving Mexican farmers into poverty; many then migrate to the U.S., where they serve as cheap labor that further drives down wages in the U.S., again enriching the neoliberal elites at the expense of the American middle class.
A consequence of these policies is increased populist anger at elites, as well as a great deal of tension between immigrants and other poor groups, who are forced to compete with one another for low-wage jobs.
That is what the neoliberal agenda is all about – screwing over the middle class for the benefit of elite interests, all over the world.
Neoconservatives are much the same as neoliberals, but when the neoliberal approach at colonial control fails, the neoconservatives promote direct military invasion to get what they want (such as Iraqi oil). Neoliberals prefer economic manipulation (as in Brazil), or covert regime change programs (as in Libya and Syria) to achieve their ends.
This is widely understood in the third world, but the Western corporate media, from the ‘liberal’ press such as the NYTimes, NPR, MSNBC and the Guardian refuse to discuss it (being owned by the neoliberal elite); nor does the right-wing conservative press, such as FOX, British tabloids, Wall Street Journal, etc. – (being owned by the neoconservative elite.)
Together, the neocons and the neolibs form two wings of the imperialistic neocolonial beast, the Evil Empire, a trans-national entity involving the Saudis, the Zionists, certain EU partners, international financiers, Wall Street & London banksters, fossil fuel corporations and arms dealers – the last remaining superpower in the post Cold-War era, which is now coming up on the end of its era; it’s just a question of how much damage it does to the world on its way out.
“Media elites, by virtue of their position, adore the status quo”
The Daily Mail, the Sun and the Express are among the most popular newspapers in the UK (combined circulation of about 3.5 million), and all of them were in favour of Leave. They didn’t ‘adore the status quo’. And they’re owned by tax-dodging non-dom billionaires, the very definition of ‘elite’.
“A sizable portion of the establishment liberal commentariat in the West has completely lost the ability to engage with any sort of dissent from its orthodoxies or even understand those who disagree. They are capable of nothing beyond adopting the smuggest, most self-satisfied posture, then spouting clichés to dismiss their critics as ignorant, benighted bigots”.
You’ve completely ignored the role played by relentless right-wing tabloid xenophobia. When people see this : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHvIJLlWEAEUOC3.jpg, then it’s only natural for them to draw the conclusion that the millions who read such nasty, spiteful propaganda are failing to engage critical faculties.
It’s also absolutely undeniable that while not all Brexiters are thick racists, the Leave campaigns (plural), however much they meant to do it or not, focused people’s minds on xenophobia. They were utterly dominated by it – look at Farage’s awful poster.
I’m not excusing the smugness, I realise you have an important point here. But I can’t believe you can write something so extensive yet completely leave out an absolutely vital piece of the jigsaw.
as politely as i can, HORSECRAP.
Your rant sounds as if it’s a “we had a meeting about that” stunt to “take out” the people telling the truth about how god awful the banking and political elites have mutated into because you have neglected to provide the emphasis of the failure of the elites that it deserves. You sound dismissive. You sound contrite. You sound un-informed. And that adds up to elitist passe’.
Mutated elites dont want to work for a living. They want to suck up all the productivity from their subjects until they have drained them like vampires. And then blame their victims for beng upset, unhappy, and properly angry for having been robbed and ruined.
From the end of the empire days following WW2, the working people built something nice and comfortable and it was good. But then the ambitious elites got an idea – gather and hord to create their wealth and power for themselves to bask in and have one big EURO empire. An empire of domineering wealthers and their political prosties.
So here is some advice for you. If you were indeed instructed to soft-peddle a smear campaign see what you can do to remove it’s radioactive glow of elitism.
As Boris Johnson has demonstrated, the neofascist right is not interested in leaving the EU “single market” in which capital can flow around without restraint. Their game, as with Trump, is to demonize immigrants and minorites and whip up a hate-filled fear-based wave that they can ride to political power.
That’s why Boris Johnson is backpedalling like crazy and calling for a single market access; Merkel, to her credit has shut him down by saying that there is no way that you can have the free flow of capital between Britain and the EU (what London banksters desperately want to maintain) while restricting the free flow of people.
But the real EU game, as with NAFTA in the US and Mexico, is to use unregulated capital flows to deliberately stip wealth from some sectors of the EU and concentrate that wealth in the hands of elites. Targets include the British working class, the Polish working class, Mediterranean nation-state members (Spain, Greece in particular), etc.
On top of all this, the EU members, particularly France and Britain, have been active partners in U.S. regime change efforts in Libya and Syria, which any honest observer will note have a large fossil fuel agenda – Syria is a pipeline transit route from Iran or Qatar/Saudi Arabia, and Libya has oilfields. There’s a struggle for control over access to these resources, isn’t there? But these disastrous regime change programs have created a huge wave of refugees into Europe, with all the attendant problems.
What the Remain camp absolutely refuses to do is discuss this disastrous economic agenda that elites have pursued – austerity, displacement, regime change – solely for their own benefit, while impoverishing vast sectors of the population. This neoliberal economic agenda has blown up in their face, and now they’re trying to pin all the blame for it on the racism and xenophobia that their very policies have engendered.
Yes, some neofascists are trying to exploit the situation for their own political benefit, and yes, some financial elites have gotten behind them to protect their own interests – just look at Boris Johnson. However, as in Austria, the radical fringe left is opposing them – so I’d suggest, if you want to block the racist neofascists, abandon the pro-corporate elite line and support the ecological left.
That is no such as ecological left which favors the EU disintegration.
Jeremey Corbyn believes major reforms to the EU are better than EU disintegration; but how will those reforms be implemented when the EU leaders are tools of the financial elite, not responsive to the needs or wishes of the vast public of Europe? Direct elections for EU leaders, rather than appointments, perhaps?
And yes, the so-called ‘radical fringe left’ has a much better plan than does the neoliberal corporate elite or the neofascist xenophobic right:
http://www.european-left.org/positions/statements/together-different-europe-democratic-social-ecological-feminist-peaceful
On the EU:
On ecological sustainability:
On global warfare:
On wealth inequality:
On austerity, capital flows and market manipulation:
On media conglomerates:
On opposing xenophobia, misogyny and racism:
Progress has been made in the last decades in terms of gender equality and non-discrimination. Nowadays they are especially jeopardised by the neo-liberal policy of deregulation of labour markets. That is not our path.
Sounds good to me.
Deebo: you are absolutely right. During the referendum I would go to a local corner shop and be bombarded by tabloids urging me to vote leave. The referendum itself came out of a split within the Conservative establishment. I’m sympathetic to the overall thrust of the piece, but it misses the importance of top down power is shaping the terms of the debate.
Such a balanced and therefore refreshing article! Thank you!
Germany has the AfD on the rise which pretends to be a working-class and poor-people party which is going to make their lives great again. Then on the other hand they have a party program which clearly only serves to elites, the stakeholders of the party. So they use the anger and redirect it to replace the current elite with themselves to grab the advantages of power.
It is really sad to see how the victims of the social cuts in politics are just reined in by this party in order to get them advantages. Apparently there is no money in honestly forming a platform for the working-class.
A couple parties here seem to openly advertise with creating more inequality and lure with the promise that they can be on the upper level and rise with it. In reality those people remain on the lower level and fall down further by letting this party serve to business.
If I could have a pony, I’d like public television to report openly and as reflected as this article about the situation and on the other hand have the politicians get more in touch with the people they represent.
Just as in the one tweet, I just hope that Germany and Europe will not turn into a static warfare between established conservative parties and right-wing parties with a crude agenda.
This article is horseshit. Go through modern history Glenn Greenwald and you will realize that we’re living in fantastic times. Compare Asia to 40-60 years ago (Cultural Revolution, Korean War, Vietnam War, Khmer Rouge) to what we have now. Compare Europe (WWI/WWII) in the beginning of last century to today’s century. Even Africa’s made progress in the past. Do an image search of Luanda and marvel at the progress of a town you’ve never heard of. All the progress that’s been made is due to the International institutions we’ve set up that allow countries to overcome differences through political means. The problem is people like you Glenn Greenwald, who always just want to point out the negatives based on the Utopian world that exists on this planet. Give it up, it’s always been a shitty place. But no doubt, we’ve made progress and that should be celebrated. The goal now is how we can achieve progress in the next 20 years, to strengthen the institutions that we have, to morph them into even better institutions, that improve global conditions even further. Brexit is not the answer and neither is your vitriol.
You are going to need a very large towel and bucket of water to clean your face. By golly i believe you are insulted. All dressed up and nowhere to go. Lose a job? I sure hope you arent going to go all crackers because if it is horseshit that you like to play with, you will find plenty of that in the barns of the elites. You could always get a job cleaning their barns.
It may be “fantastic times” for a few London elites but there’s no question that the living standards for the majority of people in Britain are in decline.
It may be “fantastic times” for elites in industrialized western countries but the developing world is suffering the consequences of their rapacious IMF-facilitated greed, from Africa to South America to the Middle East to Central and Southeast Asia.
The whole world is facing the threat of fossil-fueled global warming, industrial pollution, species extinction and resource exhaustion, while elites pile up more and more wealth as the middle class, even in industrialized countries, is sacrificed on the altar of their short-sighted greed.
Yes, the elites have made progress, but it hasn’t been “wealth creation” – it’s been wealth capture from the middle class, pushing people down into poverty from Poland to Greece to middle America to Mexico and beyond – and the institutions you cheerlead for have played a central role in this agenda.
Any honest observer also notes that the net wealth of the planet is being steadily degraded, from fisheries to forests, from oceans to atmospheres – the pie is shrinking, and yet the elites insist on grabbing bigger and bigger slices for themselves.
Keep it up, and it is going to end in a worldwide French Revolution, a spasm of global warfare, desperate people climbing over the walls of the gated communitied bent on survival, World War Z for real.
Who said Glenn was for Brexit?
*Glenn wrote a scathing (I know, it’s hard to tell sometimes.) piece on the Brexit/Briton First crowd prior to this article (& the vote). . . you should read it.
Who said Glenn was for Brexit?
As with so many complicated issues Greenwald takes on, this one is not as simple as yes vs no, stay vs leave. And whenever he writes on these things the number of people bobbing up everywhere insisting they can discern his position based on his articles is….um, entertaining.
Greenwald is the uber political writer: a Republican/Democratic/Libertarian tool immersed in a Socialism/Marxism/Capitolism marinade with a sprinkling of Brexit/non-Brexit shill in the icing. So yummy to chew on. ;-}
My middle name is ‘nuance’, darlin’. %^)
*should I stay or should I go … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaE6toi4mk
~ o/t i will say you’re one of the few people who post truncated ‘links’ (such as your little mess above.) … I will open anyway./
What planet are you living on ? Fantastic times ? For who exactly ? In the West rising poverty, rising inequality, and a massive drop in middle class income. The workforce facing redundancies through corporations moving to emerging economies with cheap labour, and the economic recover, if there ever was one, is spluttering and stalling. We are facing huge job losses from robotics, AI and other pervasive technologies of automation. Mass surveillance is hugely oppressive, and people are living lives of fear with no privacy. Millions of the people of the World still exist on less than two dollars a day, and child poverty is at a record level in the UK. America has such a high level of poverty that even the IMF recently gave the US Government a warning over it. On top of all of this many people are now war refugees, forced to flee for their lives, having lost all of their possessions. A situation caused by Americas never ending self perpetuating dirty wars of profit. The problem is not people like Glenn – its the elite that are the problem is the greed and selfishness of the elite, and the fact that we now have corrupt, corporatized Governments which are owned and paid for by the elite.Its not utopia, more like dystopia.The institutions don’t do anything to improve global conditions, and in fact they just further imperialism, stealing other countries resources, and taking advantage of slave labour. These are not fantastic times, and Brexit is a spit back in the face for those that have caused so much suffering. Fuck them and fuck you.
We can also compare today to the age of stone and it will make today look good. That doesn’t change the facts which are that the working and middle class living standards have been in an accelerating decline for at least 2 decades. In fact the distribution of wealth has been so skewed that we have effectively regressed to Belle Epoque percentages of wealth concentration to the 1%.
Working rights are constantly getting shafted, people loose access to healthcare, education becomes more and more a privilege of the few while unemployment is record high.
But judging from your tone you are a part of the group of people this article criticizes. A group of people that prefers to bash or ignore any and all criticisms while refusing to do any kind of self reflection.
Thanks!
After ploughing my way through article after article excoriating the moral and intellectual deficiencies of those who voted for Brexit I read this article with a feeling of relief, almost joy – all sanity and humanity is not lost. Thank you, Glenn.
This is the best, most insightful article I have read so far about Brexit.
Thank you!
It is all about money. Even Bernie Sanders will vote for Hilary because he wants the money power doing that will bring, and this despite saying she lacks the judgment to be president. If I were a Bernie guy I would feel very depressed about this latest resignation. I believe Bernie’s wife is having serious troubles, so they may need the money for attorneys? Hilary represents the great darkness. However, I do not think Hilary will make it. Either her health, the FBI or some act of God will block her way.
Brilliantly written. I guess I was wrong.
New unity post because unity, whatever it may be, is much needed now.
http://observergal.blogspot.com/2016/06/just-what-is-unity-anyway.html
People cannot stand united about anything unless they are already united about that which unites them.
Circular
“both Brexit and Trumpism are the very, very wrong answers to legitimate questions that urban elites have refused to ask for 30 years”
The closest thing to a right answer, or at least the right questions, we have had in the US in ages is Bernie Sanders, who of course never had a chance of success in the primary, in fact less and less the more popular he grew.
Watching the manipulation was an education in itself.
Bingo.
“Brexit — despite all the harm it is likely to cause” LOL, you spot other journalists’ blind spots, but not your own. What harm? Brexit has a cost, but the eventual collapse of the EU under the weight of the Euro debacle could well have a much larger cost. At least, in the meantime, Britons will have democracy.
“Brexit — … and all the malicious politicians it will empower ” Some one is not malicious just because they hold a view different from you. In parts, your piece makes me think “yay, here’s a guy who gets it”, then you say stuff like this.
Wow! Nailed it. Excellent summary of what’s going on. And beautifully written. Thank you.
Yes, as milton wiltmellow stated “Brilliant and incendiary analysis..”.
My hope is that the elites can transcend their elitism and open up their world and their thinking. I am not plugging Bernie Sanders, but I highly recommend his philosophy for transcending. More simply stated it is time to have some heart.
To all:
Any more doubts that we HAVE to get folks to move away from bigotry?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/27/sadiq-khan-muslim-council-britain-warning-of-post-brexit-racism
1. You will never get folks who feel that their security and livelihoods are threatened to move away from bigotry toward those they believe are threatening them. The Bosses use this knowledge to divide and conquer and they take the outcome to the bank.
2. The Guardian is shamelessly promoting the “Brexit = bigotry” meme, perhaps even more vigorously in the wake of their Remain cause losing than before the vote (if that’s possible). This is one of the subjects wrt which the Graun is completely in bed with the EU Ruling Class and the only thing you can trust is that it will be spun shamelessly to push the Rulers’ narrative.
@Doug S. –
I’m not going to get into it about The Guardian – I like it, anyway…
But your first statement: “You will never get folks who feel that their security and livelihoods are threatened to move away from bigotry toward those they believe are threatening them. ” is a REAL cause for pessimism. Just imagine if say, the elites were magically toppled tomorrow. If we don’t stop hating each other, what would happen? Are we going to keep fighting? Where would it end? Of course we’re being divided and conquered, and we very much need to get folks to see through that. We need to make folks see a) where the real problem lies; b) that hatred, bigotry, and divisiveness are counterproductive to the struggle for REAL progress, and c) that hatred and bigotry are just plain wrong, period, and hold us back as humans.
We need anyone who can help the effort in any way to help move us to a better place. Here’s a recent example. The last time I went to a Church, a very few weeks ago, it was to a Church I had not been to before. Met a nice lady and she and another lady I actually already knew had a nice conversation. I gingerly was ‘almost political’ (I must have been feeling really daring at the time) and mentioned I quite the one mailing list I was on because I was tired of the Islamaphobic comments. The new lady’s reaction was – ‘Well, they’re Isis, they’re trying to kill us.” Now that may not be word for word, but pretty close. I told her, yes ISIS was bad, but not all Muslims were like that and THAT was what those folks I had a problem with were saying. She looked sort of perplexed as this had not crossed her mind before.
My point: We have got to keep trying to get through to folks, Sometimes one-on-one, sometimes broader initiatives, but we MUST keep seeking ways to break through the fog of hatred. It sometimes feels like de-programming, but it is imperative we get folks pulled away from this nastiness. Imperative.
to all –
Please forgive my typo(s) —- the one should be “quit” the one mailing list… I’m not a great typist, so please bear with me.
I’m sorry to have to say it but, in this case, reality is a cause for pessimism — and there is no rational basis for optimism.
@Doug S.
I’m not sure how to answer your assertion. I’ve always been by nature optimistic. There’s no doubt I’ve seen problems and all, increasingly as I grew older. But usually there were signs of hope.
THIS is the worst I’ve seen since being an adult. The worst. Things are so ugly. Trying to find any hopeful signs is increasingly hard. Maybe there is no “rational” basis for optimism, but maybe optimism isn’t rational anyway. After all, it probably wasn’t rational at one time to hope for things like Abolition, Women’s Suffrage, or an end to Jim Crow laws. But some persevered.
We need some hope now because the dangers are so real and could be so far reaching. Times are scary and I’m just so concerned about what’s going on.
bigotry has to do with intermarriage and that may never change so dont fight it.
instead see beyond the simplicity of differences.
BRexit – is not about race, not about religion, not about nationality, it is about the control over one’s destiny which is first survival, secone comfort, third something beyond comfort, In as much as the control of anyone’s destiny is about currency in as much as currency is a representation of one’s productivity, one merely need look at its exchangeable value to know that one is being ROBBED.
Jesus warned us.
@Barabbas –
Huh? “bigotry has to do with intermarriage and that may never change so dont fight it.” To me that’s utter nonsense! Is anyone advocating that someone be forced to marry someone they don’t want to? I certainly wouldn’t . What are folks scared of then? That race or skin color or whatever would rub off on them? Doesn’t work that way. So it doesn’t make sense to oppose someone marrying someone they love and WANT to marry.
If Brexit wasn’t about race, the leave campaigners did a poor job of making arguments that were on another basis. Another observation I have about this is that many folks would complain about campaigning and negativity, but still we have “leaders” appealing to the lowest instincts – and I don’t think it can be denied the leavers did that to a large extent. Leaders here also appeal to the (in math terms) – “lowest common denominator.” Pretty poor way to run campaigns, if you ask me.
I do agree we’re being robbed. Problem is we seem to be attacking each other in the attempt to end frustrations. As I said to Doug S. above, just suppose the elites were indeed magically toppled. Would we continue to fight each other? Will the fighting of each other ever end? We need to do better.
Oh, and I think you owe me an apology for that faux curse (haven’t I always been civil and cordial?) and accusing me of something that was TOTALLY false.
The Guardian, like the NYTimes and NPR, has turned into a neoliberal propaganda rag that serves the interests of financial elites by deliberately distorting news to suit their agenda. Like it or not, that’s what they’ve been doing ever since Alan Rusbridger was given the boot. Some of it is highly shameless – like puff pieces for McDonalds, etc.
For example, there’s no doubt that racism and bigotry were prevalent among many Remain cheerleaders, see the attacks on Muslims by David Cameron – but the Guardian attempt to tie racism and bigotry solely to Leave supporters, while refusing to acknowledge that elitist London banksters who support Remain want to see all the poor blacks and Pakistanis and working class whites booted out of London so they can enjoy their exclusive lifestyles without being bothered by visions of poverty.
The bigotry of elites is not a fit subject of discussion at the Guardian, is it? That’s just propaganda, not news reporting.
@photosymbiosis –
Would you rather The Guardian be a mouthpiece for conservatives or neocons or whatever? Or do you just disdain it because its neo-LIBERAL?
Of the 3 you mentioned the only one I really go to now IS The Guardian. NYT is behind a paywall and they are not always what they SHOULD be. I did like the NPR News site for a while, but I got sick and tired of seeing a smirking nutjob candidate plastered on their page so prominently too often and stopped going there. True, you’d really have to look at their stories with a bit of the skeptic’s eye sometimes, but they did sometimes have stories I hadn’t seen elsewhere. THAT I do miss.
Well, I guess bigotry of the elites doesn’t get covered much ANYWHERE. Real reporting on income inequality is hot easy to find in the media, period. The Guardian may have some “flaws” but by and large, I like the job they do.
@ Glenn Greenwald
I hope you will write another column re: Labour trying to use the Brexit result to oust Corbyn in what is almost an intraparty coup. Like it’s his fault, which it isn’t.
It certainly is not Corbyn’s “fault” — which assumes, among other things, that Brexit is a faulty outcome. But Jeremy’s well-known distaste for the EU and what is seen as half-hearted support for Remain, have created a perfect opportunity for the New Labour Blairites to rid themselves of a leader whose election by the peons utterly horrified them from the outset.
It’s not “almost” a coup; it is a coup, in fact.
In any case, Corbyn is a much poorer fit with today’s Labour than, for instance, Sanders is with the Democrats. He probably never really had a chance.
Anyway, for background:
Jeremy Corbyn ‘would be campaigning for Brexit if he was not Labour leader’, says long-time ally Tariq Ali
The Political Compass is a super interesting tool for disaggregating political categories from one political dimension of “left” and “right” to two dimensions, social and economic. They just added a page to show a variety of Brexit positions.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk_eu_referendum2016
i would like to offer you/them a different perspective in the chart.
on the X axis do independent to dependent
on the Y axis do bottom as religious based to top law/rule based
i believe you may be surprised at the results
i would a a third dimension but later for that
it is now clear that Turkey has received a big payment from EU. With that money they are now in a position to offer compensation for the downed Russian jet and the pilot killed.
The Brits have already paid their portion of the money that Turkey has got, and obviously Merkel is not going to refund them any money just because of their Brexit vote. However, the Brexit vote does ensure that future indiscretions of the EU would not be a cause for Brits to bear the penalty of some really bad decisions regarding the refugees.
There is also news report that Merkel and Hollande are conspiring to make EU like Hotel California in order to discipline others who may have got disgusted with the Nazi attitude of Merkel and the deception she has been been engaged in with regards to the Snowden disclosures. I have been watching with grave concern that while Belgium and France have been swamped by Muslim terrorists, the Germans are enjoying life in relative peace although they have a lot of Muslims in their country, and who are equally likely to suicide-bomb themselves with accompanying chants of Ali-akbars. Something is going on that we don’t know anything about.
sounds about right. Germans are not going to like subsidising all the other countries. France cant afford to. With the now BRexit “We can manage our country ourselves – thanyouverymuch”, i am guessing that in “the (rigged) markets” of the elite banksters where they do their juggling, someone turned on a big fan and they hadn’t planned on their faux fiat euro currency blowing in that wind because i believe that commodity is traded in Britain. Makes for an interesting situation.
Outstanding analysis by Glenn Greenwald, as usual.
On a related note, I’d like to suggest people read this article by Kshama Sawant with detailed commentary on organizing:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/24/beyond-bernie-still-not-with-her/
Ahhhh, The French, I believe, came up with a WONDERFUL Solution for Income Inequality about two hundred or so years ago. Like ANY good algorithm – it simply works. It slices, it dices- it makes Julienne Fries!!! Freedom Fries, whateva… yeah, it’ll get to that eventually as those in Power never relinquish it willingly. People rarely embrace real Peace, they simply counter an Injustice with another Injustice and wrap themselves in a slightly different rag. “Bring Marshmallows.” – Winston Churchill
Sadly, few are able to comprehend or grasp the facts taken together: that those who have caused refugee flows didn’t do it by accident, it was indeed connected to their overall plans for financial and economic domination: in Libya, in Syria, and elsewhere.
The problem is the with a pseudo-educated populace with little ability to think independently or analytically, anything encompassing more than one variable becomes too strenuous to contemplate!
Trump came out gangbusters for Brexit — the proper liberal and pro-worker response! (Bernie also came out for it, of course!)
Curiously, Hillary Rodham Clinton sounded very wishy-washy, very iffy about it — the expected neocon response.
Many years ago I was given an excellent lesson in forensic finance by a retired certified fraud examiner — and forensic accountant.
This came about when we took a break from our political action group and were viewing a public service advert on TV for starving African children in the Congo.
He patiently walked me through the identity of the foundation owners who sponsored those adverts — the same owners of the mining companies and oil companies who supported and financed the bloody dictators who created the conditions of turmoil and starvation.
So those who made the bodyguard (Joseph Mobutu — later to be known as Mobutu Sese Seko) of the popularly elected humanist, Patrice Lumumba, into a multi-billionaire — after first torturing then murdering President Lumumba and subjecting the populace to decades of strife and starvation — are the sponsors of those adverts?
So those who are always urging us to donate to feed the starving are the same ones who caused and profited from that turmoil and human suffering?
Yes — the evil ones who cause those crimes demand the rest of us pay for their crimes many times over!
To fully understand why the money masters of North America and Europe are against Brexit — and collective bargaining rights for workers in the U.K. which those laws out of Brussels have destroyed — please take the time to read sixteen or seventeen pages from the book by Nicholas Shaxson: Treasure Islands (pp. 67 — 83).
It is both fitting and obscene that the SecState, John Forbes Kerry — or to be more exact, John Forbes Winthrop Dudley Kerry — great-grandson of Francis Blackwell Forbes, once one of the top dope dealers (opium) on the planet, has been dispatched to Brussels on the Brexit matter.
Most fitting . . . .
Reading Suggestions:
Treasure Islands, by Nicholas Shaxson
Glitter & Greed, by Janine Roberts (This is the best treatment I have ever read of the assassination of Patrice Lumumba, pp. 174 — 184.)
You ascribe far to much Machiavellian long-term cleverness to clowns like Cameron and Obama and Bush and Blair. I’m convinced it was indeed an accident. As Donald Rumsfeld finally admitted, “things get messy.”
Consider Round One, the Bush-Blair plan for Iraq 2003 onwards. They were going to install a nice friendly puppet government, gain control of the oil, then march on Iran and bring it into the U.S. sphere of influence, which was to extend into Central Asia; a pipeline through pacified Afghanistan would bring oil and gas from Turkemenistan and Kazakhstan to Pakistan and India and other world markets. Sure, how did that grand plan work out? Now the architects are labeled war criminals and are universally reviled; sure, they got their hands on Iraqi oil, but not as cleanly as they’d hoped – Iran now has more influence in Iraq than the U.S. does.
Consider Round Two – the Obama-Cameron-Hollande plan for Libya and Syria. They’d do some covert regime change, toss out Gaddafi and Assad, put in a friendly stable puppet regime in each country that would cooperate on oil field access (in Libya) and oil transit pipelines (in Syria) from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to the Mediterranean and on to Europe, a perfect Machiavellian oil game that would lock Iran out of the European market, very James Bond – and again, it blew up in their faces. Chaos, lack of control, ISIS going off-script, etc. etc. Floods of refugees, terrorist attacks, lots of bad press, egg on the face everywhere.
You think Cameron and Obama wanted the Brexit? You think they wanted all those refugees flooding into Europe, messing up their plans, tearing the EU cash cow apart? Cameron wanted early retirement? No way did they want that.
They may have thought they were genius Machiavellian plotters, sure – but in practice, they ended up as children playing with matches and burning down their own house. I have no doubts at all that this was another epic FUBAR on their part, and they really have no idea what to do next.
Putin is probably laughing his ass off at this debacle, too. Although there are those (Gary Kasparov) who claim it was all a big Putin plot to bring down the EU, which is equally hard to believe.
The only way Bush and Blair and others would not have expected this outcome is if they were deliberately misled by others. I’m talking about Cheney, Rumsfeld, AIPAC. Honest foreign policy advisors would have predicted this. You can’t just take out the stabilising point in a polarised country without consequences.
sure. They would have had a meeting and their downside calculation had a very mildollar upside. Cheney prbly cracked- “well, we’ll hit the mother lode on oil or, it goes to shit and the taxpayer will foot the bill. let’s hope it all goes to shit.” chuckle chuckle.
To the elites, we are now the “throw-away” people. Completely discardable. Our sons and daughters are expendable for their wealth and power. And pos mcconnell and pos hillary support draft for women.. utterly depraved.
The megalomaniacal criminal nature of our political leaders should not be underestimated, particularly when they surround themselves with yes-men and flatterers and are egged on by visions of dollar signs dancing in their eyes (for example, Halliburton’s $7 billion no-bid contract, etc.)
Sure, they have a certain cleverness, an animal-level cunning (which is really what Machiavelli represents) but that doesn’t translate into actual intelligence, wisdom or foresight.
Blair and Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, were greedy idiots who didn’t care who got killed as long as they could profit – they are nothing but war criminals, and deserve to be sitting in the Hague on trial for their crimes. If there is any justice in this world, they will all end up as Pinochet did.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25898621-american-nuremberg
Brilliant and incendiary analysis that should be read in journalism schools, Pentagon offices, State bureaucracies and by every single corporate boardroom in the world.
But as this paper makes clear, they have no incentive to do so. The “understanding” of their self-referenced superiority renders them (elite institutions) deaf and blind to all but themselves thriving, like termites, from the delicious rot upon which they feed themselves. They can fix elections (US 2000), they can announce (and refrain from announcing) policies that victimize the powerless (94 Crime Bill, anti-terror policies, surveillance), they can stuff their pockets while dispossessing the poor (as this paper points out regarding the mortgage scam), and offer solutions ranging from “we need more of the same” to “let’s fix this with more of the same.”
Unmentioned, but quite appropriate, the matter of torture highlights this. The current US regime repudiates torture policies enacted by the previous regime yet allows those who participated in establishing and implementing the torture policies to dance across the stage as esteemed performers. Dick Cheney, Jose Rodriguez, Jay Bybee, John Yoo, and all the less noted torturers remain unindicted, even honored, despite their complicity in grievously harming those powerless, captured, and shackled souls they deemed guilty.
Indeed, despite the current regime’s proclamation against torture, they continue to accuse and execute individuals (and innocent bystanders) without legal accountability or political remorse.
Why should those responsible notice that the recent Orlando murderer justifies his own murders by calling attention to the wanton, unlawful murders of others by the State? His victims, his weapons, his crime all rise like a flurry of ghosts from journalist’s keyboards to hide an identical slaughter currently taking place across the world.
Why mention the cruel lawlessness of the elite when one more mass shooting can actually be twisted to justify the crimes of the State elsewhere? (Hospital? What hospital? Oh the one in Kunduz? … well that was a mistake. Shh.)
Oh my, I do go on … as I was saying, what a brilliant article!!
Unfortunately the Guardians of the Elite will continue to protect the elite while the elite will continue to pay their Guardians to protect them.
The rest of us can go to hell.
An incredibly well-written article. Living in Europe I can say you are spot on! And your English is exquisite.
One problem mentioned in this article that needs more highlighting is that people keep turning back to institutions and “the powerful” to help them out of the corruption *endemic* to the institutions.
The solution is to show that the people have no confidence at all in the current system. But most everyday people (not politically engaged) have panglossian confidence that the establishment is probably indeed in competent hands, while the more politically outspoken only criticize the ostensible left or right wing (while ignoring the reality that the elite owns both in a functional sense). Turning to obviously entrenched establishment-oppressed so-called representatives to amplify voices for system cleansing is manifestly no solution at all.
Relatedly: vote for Jill Stein 2016 for people, planet and peace over profit.
I couldn’t agree more with your comment.
We need a think tank to build a prioritized list of system changes that need to be made and begin implementing them, starting with the right to immediately oust any representative that votes against the wishes of their electorate. Maybe we can elect a representative and the 2nd place rep would be the backup rep given such a circumstance.
The left vs. right bickering is a ploy to distract and social issues must remain out of politics. Perhaps we can make it a law that if you purposefully divide the people on moral issues to distract them, you just broke a law. Let’s keep in mind that the Christian God has given each person free will, so how can any man or woman usurp anyone else’s free will unless it harms others ?
We live in a representative democracy, not a democracy.
If we want a democracy, we don’t need representatives. We could very well just put every issue to a public vote and eliminate the middle-idiots. Anyone would be able to put an issue up for vote.
that would require the ability to read and inderstand ENGLISH
which we fly
:^)
the founders of the US did not need a think tank
they just needed their will
you have a will
use it.
I don’t like Greenwald’s article — it plays too fast and loose with the term “western elites” without defining what that means, to what degree it does or does not consist of legitimately elected public servants, to what degree it does or does not represent the right-wing (I think they are mostly in opposition). “The elites” just seems to be a vague catch-all term for “the people and institutions that happen to be in charge.”
Greenwald concludes, “The solution is not to subserviently cling to corrupt elite institutions out of fear of the alternatives. It is, instead, to help bury those institutions and their elite mavens and then fight for superior replacements.”
Is he saying we need to get rid of the EU, the IMF, the trade organizations? What about the democratically elected national governments that appoint people to these institutions? Get rid of them too?
And if they are “buried”, how exactly do we identify “superior replacements”? Who is qualified to determine what is superior? In the end, the decision would, in the least nightmarish case, default to elected governments, but that’s where the decision already resides.
All I can say with certainty is that, if these institutions go away, the world enters a condition of chronic and violent political, economic, and environmental chaos far worse than what we have now and from which it would be extremely difficult to escape.
However, I do agree with a point that comes up in this article, and Brooks also mentions. The force toward globalization has two important side-effects:
* the concentration of wealth and all that entails
* increased immigration from south to north
The Brexit vote seems primarily to be a reaction to these two effects. For me, the operative question is whether there can be any form of globalization that does necessarily have these two side-effects. The first seems possible in principle — a global wealth tax (such as Pikety recommends) might do the trick. The second may be unavoidable. Globalism is not globalism if it does not increase freedom of movement, and that’s what immigration is.
Unfortunately, as the climate heats up, the wave of climate refugees to northern countries will dwarf what we are seeing now, bad as it is. Even the most liberal of northerners will be tempted to vote for politicians who promise to restrict immigration, legal or otherwise.
@ Mark
Not sure I understand this portion of your critique:
What is “it” . . . “western elites”? If so what do you mean by “does or does not represent right-wing (I think they are mostly in opposition)”?
Western elites, whether right or left (except for “far left”) are “not in opposition” to one another re: global neoliberal economic world order. In fact they are in lockstep in that regard and have been for at least the last 30 years if not last 60 + i.e. “the people and institutions in charge” regardless of nominal political ideology.
With “certainty” eh? Well I can argue with “certainty” that it is those very same institutions that have facilitated the very violence (political, economic and environmental that is the necessary result of “global neoliberalism”) you appear to want to curtail.
So are you suggesting that it is better to try and “reform” those institutions? Because a lot of research has been done (for example Iron Law of Institutions; or, http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FPPS%2FPPS12_03%2FS1537592714001595a.pdf&code=e0b7cef5ef470ca0535dff80e4f96db5 . . .)
How so? Not “democratically”, that isn’t going to work at least not under current popular LOTE voting, the US Constitution as written, or jurisprudence treating corporate legal fictions as human beings in myriad ways with inviolable “property rights”. Just isn’t going to happen.
The “institutions” and the “people in charge of them” and their shared “ideologies” are the biggest part of “the problem”. So please explain how they will “reform” themselves when there is no evidence of that every happening.
Yes, “it” means “western elites” — sorry for the poor grammar.
I’m not sure I agree with your point about the left and right being in lock-step in the neoliberal economic world order. There was a time when I would have agreed with you, but increasingly the right wing has defined itself in opposition to the western elites, e.g., their uniform hatred of the United Nations. I think there is not a genuine distinction between the “conservative elite” and the “liberal elite”, both in national and international politics and economics. In fact, this was really the point of my comment. Greenwald’s assumption (which many hold) that all elites are the same and have the same goals is, I believe, unfounded. It way oversimplifies a very complicated power relation. The elite that staged coups in Latin America is not the same elite that runs the European Union.
My “certainty” (a problematic word, granted) rests on historical precedent and on observation of those countries that lack such institutions. Before the post-WW2 rise of the international order and its institutions we had a patchwork of nations with an incoherent network of treaties and alliances. It was this incoherence that to a large degree created the political and economic preconditions of the two world wars.
I believe that the Marshall Plan, the UN, the IMF, and other international institutions are part of the reason we have not had World War III. If we remove or “bury” these institutions, we run the risk of devolving into the state of violent anarchy now enjoyed by many who live in the middle-east and parts of Africa and Central America.
I haven’t the slightest idea how to reform the internationalist institutions, or whether “reform” is what is needed. But if not through the democratic means, what else are you suggesting. All I can think of is violent overthrow. Is that what you have in mind? In which case, the replacement institutions will be under control of the overthrowers, which sounds infinitely worse to me that what we have now.
We are probably not going to get very far together if you actually belief the IMF is part of the reason there has been no WWIII. Actually, it is only through sheer luck that we haven’t had a nuclear WWIII during the Cold War and that had nothing to do with the UN or the IMF.
Uhhh, I don’t get this logic nor is it supported by evidence. Those very institutions have existed and been active in the middle-east, Africa and Central and South America, funded in large part by the United States of America and its European allies, and it wasn’t until some of those nations in those regions parted ways with those “institutions” that the “anarchy” and carnage stopped.
Or are you total unfamiliar with the history of all of those places, and the “West’s” direct meddling in them?
No it wasn’t. You need to get your history straight. WWII was the direct result of Germany being economically impoverished as a function of the terms of the settlement of WWI together with some other underlying issues, war reparations and the Great Depression (again something caused by the “economic institutions” you seem to have faith in).
And WWI was precisely because of the network of relationships between a bunch of small nobody countries, while the much larger somebodies all got sucked in because of those relationships.
And if you’re suggesting the world needs more regional or NATO type alliances, I’d suggest, at best, the evidence is mixed about the actual effects on “security” those sorts institutions produce, AND more importantly security for who and from whom.
I’ll tell you what does keep certain parties from making war on other parties–possession of nuclear weapons. So following that logic, if everyone had some small defensive arsenal of nuclear weapons to where there was exact global nuclear parity among all nations in that respect (and to ensure anybody who attacked anybody else with their armies on someone else’s soil being obliterated) rather than a handful having enough to destroy the world 100s of times over, I’d pretty much guarantee there would be no large scale wars that any nation would get sucked into. Wouldn’t prevent civil wars, or wars of liberation, but would basically create an untenable situation for anybody like USA to attack say Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq or Afghanistan et al.
Short of that, so long as there is disparity among nations in terms of armaments and willingness to use them (and nuclear weapons), then countries like the USA will continue to do as they please and bomb the ever living fuck out of whomever they choose, wherever they choose, for whatever reasons they choose (“usually economic self-interest/global economic hegemony”) and that I simply can’t abide. And for the very simple reason that either they start dropping their bombs with the assistance of their “allies” or nobody is big enough to stop them. But you’ll notice who they don’t go around bombing–China, Russia, Pakistan (except with their permission), India and North Korea (at least not since they obtained nuclear weapons).
Plenty of reforms that could theoretically be imposed on those institutions to make them serve the vast majority of humanity’s needs, but not so long as the current ideologically blinkered elites in charge are still in charge and subscribe to neoliberal ideology.
In answer to is there a “democratic” solution, I think–yes. That is still possible but it will take a revolution in human consciousness and a new found ability to organize to throw out all the current elites and replace them en masse, if either not all at once in compressed time frame, and let some others try some of their ideas. Because the ideas/ideology of neoliberal global capitalism isn’t working and can never produce what its adherents claim it can. Because “capitalism” as currently being practiced is a lie. It’s very design logically and necessarily results in asset concentration not diffusion, as a function of its own models.
@rrheard Great responses.
I do hold to the idea that the network of international organizations (not just the IMF) was a strong contributing factor to avoiding WWIII — though certainly with an extreme dose of good luck. I just try to picture getting through the cold war without a unified prosperous Europe, without the UN, without NATO, without a coherent world economy — I just don’t see it. Maybe you can.
You are correct, of course, that western meddling has done much mischief in the middle east, etc. I can’t agree that the carnage and anarchy has gone away when the West goes away. The carnage and anarchy seems to go on, regardless.
Nonetheless, my main point is that the reason why Europe and North America are relatively safe and survivable places to live is that we have international institutions (aka, the “western elites”) to moderate interactions between countries, economies, and ethnic groups. The middle east does not, at least not to the same degree. It has no organized, democratically recognized, effective mechanism for working through political, ethnic, and economic rivalries. The closest is OPEC, and that is not really what I would call “democratic”.
So when you say, throw out all international institutions, I don’t get a nice friendly feeling from that.
You say that reform is not possible without removing those who subscribe to a “neoliberal ideology”. But I’m not able to picture the alternative, partly because the usage of “neoliberal” has morphed in odd ways.
Perhaps you mean, get rid of people who are supportive of capitalism. If so, you better come up with an alternative that people like me can understand. It’s kind of like saying, let the world economy be run by people who don’t believe in trade, currency, banking, or investment. I need help seeing that vision. Is it the EU run by the communist party? The world economy as an open-source gifting economy? Some sort of bitcoin thing?
There may be a way, but I’m not willing to dispense with “neoliberalism” until I can visualize the alternative.
@ Mark
I noticed you left out as an alternative to neoliberal capitalism the obvious alternative–social democracy, and bi-lateral trade agreements between nations whose economies are at an equal stage of development.
You think it is the “international institutions/western elites” that make them safe and survivable? Really? How about the fact America is protected by two oceans and if necessary can grow enough food to feed itself, and had at one time a fundamentally viable manufacturing economy. Or how about after WWII everybody but Russia or China was without a doubt incapable of making war on much of anybody given state of their economies and militaries.
Generally speaking, the ME countries, with a couple of narrow exceptions instigated by the West, haven’t been engaged in a bunch of cross border wars against each other that didn’t involve Israel. And presumably you aren’t counting India and Pakistan which are SE Asia. In fact the vast majority of conflict in the ME is directly related to the West and its institutions, and/or its picking and choosing of whose “interests” in the region they will fund and back at any given time (or recycle their resources like oil).
Not sure I argued that. Institutions, like corporations, are a direct function of the values, ideologies and actions of the human beings that animate them. Change the humans and their values, you change the institutions. I still believe that’s possible, although unlikely.
Actually it hasn’t, and if you do a little research, or start here (you’ll get my meaning anyway):
http://coreyrobin.com/?s=neoliberal
No, but capitalism, for it to be sustainable, has to work for more than the interests of “capital” in a much different way than it is working for most. It’s not that it needs to be run by people who don’t believe in trade, currency, banking or investment like there is some immutable laws like those of physics regarding the meaning and effect of those words–it is how those things are used to bring about socially desirable ends–for everybody.
The question is “capitalism” the question is the proper equitable (not necessarily “efficient”) distribution of “capital” (and/or “wealth”) that is created by billions of human beings doing things big and small all over the globe to create that wealth.
The fundamental question is a normative distributive one (or question of “political economy” if you’d like), but we don’t ask the right questions, so the vast majority of humans aren’t being provide a true set of viable choices in the political economy context from those who are adherents of “neoliberalism”. Until we ask the right questions, and are prepared to depose democratically those in institutions who are “neoliberals” economically speaking we will get more of the same–because the global systems of “capital” are getting precisely the results the system was designed to produce (distributively speaking). And it simply isn’t sustainable no matter how much people like you can’t grasp that reality or fear the uncertainty of the alternatives.
“…it will take a revolution in human consciousness…” You said a mouthful. It’ll be nothing less than an evolutionary step, from Homo sapiens delens to Homo sapiens sapiens – a species who will not tolerate violence done to any member of the species for the benefit of another member or group of members.
“Because the ideas/ideology of neoliberal global capitalism…” There are no ideas or ideology, but only simulacra thereof. A close study of “free-market ideologies/philosophy” would show that they have been created to fill a void, since neoliberalism is by essence purely material and not ideological. And much hard work (extremely well remunerated, I think we can be sure) has been and is being done (by one think tank after another) to create this “ideology” and adapt it to any area where a true ideology challenges the sway of the purely material – much in the way Creationist “thought” and science have been developed to attempt to supplant real science.
Correction: I think there is NOT a genuine distinction between the “conservative elite” and the “liberal elite”, ….
should be:
I think there is NOW a genuine distinction between the “conservative elite” and the “liberal elite”, ….
Not that that makes my comment any more palatable:-)
Is that so. While digging, i think you broke your shovel. Keep digging. A little farther down is the gold. Follow the gold.
Nothing could be more of a nightmare than what we have today where life is bought and sold to enrich only a few people. The money along with the associated laws must be reigned in and if you believe we have to work within the existing systems, we are choosing the wrong reset point.
I’ve often wondered why the money markets were always broadcast on the news reports or a regular part of radio programming. At most 20% of the population has an interest, yet we are all brainwashed into believing that it is a valid news topic that holds interest to the majority. It simply does not.
I am most pleased that the 1% took the gamble and lost.
The ground rules must start with the basics and all forms of luck eliminated from the structure of the system.
It comes down to our values as humans, not an individual’s success at lies and other deceptions. The “Men Who Built America” is a 5 part series on the greed and ignorance that built the largest American empires. Trump often speaks throughout the series and I can’t help but be outraged that those family empires were allowed to retain their ill gotten gains and steer the USA politically for their own benefit.
Those people never built America, they destroyed the land of the free and made us all slaves.
You said, “Nothing could be more of a nightmare than what we have today where life is bought and sold to enrich only a few people.”
I’m afraid you suffer from a failure of imagination. Life on this planet could be infinitely worse than it is now, and it may very well devolve into nightmares that will make the last 100 years look like a golden age.
Power has never been pretty, but it is prettier now than it was in the past and possibly the future.
There is something twisted about your presentation.
You sound so “sel deserving” as if we may owe our life to you or your pimps.
Speak for yourself, IF YOU HAVE ONE.
I think you are conflating the IMF/EU/WTO organizations with democratically elected governments:
Notice that the United Nations is not on that list? That’s the main international body we should rely on to prevent wars, flawed though it is.
The IMF, in contrast, has a long record of doing damage to developing nations to serve the interests of the financial elites (shareholders in the exploitive corporations doing business in the developing world). It does not promote responsible development, quite the opposite.
If one looks at ‘violent political, economic and environmental chaos’, and its causes, we see a lot of fossil fuel corporations and arms dealers deeply involved, from Iraq to Libya to Syria, all across Africa and Central Asia. Who benefits from these activities? The financial elite, the shareholders in Exxon and Chevron and BP and Shell and Lockheed and Northrup.
So yes, institutions like the IMF and the World Bank (with a long record of financing fossil fuel projects) are doing far more harm than good. They are highly resistant to reforms that would lead to lower profits for Wall Street.
So, is it possible to get off fossil fuels? That slows global warming and reduces the chaos, surely. But, renewable technology doesn’t have the same profit margin as fossil fuels do – sunlight and wind being free to all. A British solar plant doesn’t require a supply of gas from Qatar, in other words. That means fewer profits for investors, as well as an end to Middle East oil wealth, much of which is parked in London real estate, for example.
See the problem?
For me, Greenwald was unclear as to what counts as “western elites”. Does he mean the IMF/EU/WTO? Does he include the UN (which I omitted by accident)? Would he exempt democratically elected governments? Often Greenwald talks about the U.S. government as “the elite” — so does the U.S. count as a democratically elected government?
What complicates matters is that the EU is for the most part staffed by representatives appointed by its democratically elected member states, as are other international bodies.
So, based on Greenwald’s article, I don’t know who to demonize. Who exactly are the bad guys? You can’t fight them if you don’t know who they are.
You cite the IMF and correctly point out that it has a record of doing damage to developing nations, though I think you oversimplify its motives. In its own words, the IMF is “189 countries working to foster global monetary cooperation, secure financial stability, facilitate international trade, promote high employment and sustainable economic growth, and reduce poverty around the world.” Most of its history — even the bad parts — fall more or less in line with this vision statement. For example, to the degree the world has run on oil, the IMF has sought to remove national impediments to the international oil markets — and while this has been disastrous in some ways (climate, indigenous peoples, etc.), it does fit the vision of one world economy. In most ways, I think that is better than the balkanization of the world economy that was the status quo prior to the IMF’s formation. The extremely wealthy benefit either way.
You suggest that getting off fossil fuels is not in the economic interest of those who run the IMF. Are you really sure of that? The IMF itself, in its public materials, is very clear about the dangers of climate change and the need to transition to a non-CO2 economy through implementation of a carbon tax:
http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/enviro.htm
Sure, it has become clear to many ‘elites’ that the endless short-sighted pursuit of fossil fuel profits has disastrous consequences, and there are always factions in any ‘elite group.’ People like Elon Musk and Tom Steyer have thrown their funds into renewable energy, and that’s a step in the right direction.
But, and it’s a big but, getting off fossil fuels is undeniably going to cut into net financial wealth of the elite class, it is simply not very avoidable. A car running on fossil fuels is a cash cow for the Saudis that keeps on giving; a car with a solar-charged battery is just a device, you sell it once, you don’t get to sell it fuel. If Britain goes to solar and wind, it can cut off imports of Qatari gas; a lot of London elites live of those Qatari gas imports.
At the very least, you have a new, smaller set of elites taking over from the old set of elites, who are not happy about it, and will dig in their heels and fight to the death, no matter how much climate damage or neofascist politics results from their actions.
I suggest reading Steve Coll’s “The Private Empire of ExxonMobil” for a good discussion of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvPobwco-AE
Bottom line is a populist movement will be needed to change direction; relying on elites alone to do this is a recipe for disaster. But we’re in for it, no doubts about that; the global climate shift is going to kick human civilization right in the face, and if genocidal warfare breaks out in response, WWII will look mild by comparison.
P.S. also look at the difference between IMF and World Bank public statements on climate change and fossil fuel subsidies and so on – versus where the money goes:
So that was 2010, you’re saying they’ve changed?
So, they look like they’re painting green lipstick on their fossil fuel pig, don’t they? Like BP greenwashing efforts.
There’s lots of green lipstick to go around. But even at the World Bank there are shifts. See the 2015 annual report:
http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/2016/04/26243961/carbon-finance-sustainable-development-annual-report-2015 for sustainable development : 2015 annual report (English)
ABSTRACT
The Carbon Finance for Sustainable Development: 2015 Annual Report showcases the role of World Bank Group (GCCCF) in supporting the development of carbon markets and carbon pricing instruments around the world. The report covers the carbon-related funds, facilities, and financial products managed by the World Bank Group between January 1, 2015 and December 31, 2015. Countries will continue to design, test, and implement market-based domestic carbon pricing initiatives. Countries will need to create the infrastructure necessary to compare and connect a wide range of climate actions. Looking ahead, the networked carbon markets initiative is working to create the institutions and services to link the different climate actions that countries are now designing and implementing. . Highlighted programs include the Partnership for Market Readiness, Carbon Partnership Facility, Carbon Initiative for Development, Forest Carbon Partnership Facility, BioCarbon Fund Initiative for Sustainable Forest Landscapes, Transformative Carbon Asset Facility, Pilot Auction Facility, Carbon Pricing Leadership Coalition and Networked Carbon Markets Initiative.
Agreed on all counts, though I’m still not happy by the unqualified use of the term “elites”. Elites can be good or evil. Populists can be good or evil. I want good, not evil. In any case, we won’t survive by passive acceptance.
Feeling buried in the weeds? Lost in the trees of the forest?
Perhaps you ate the whole apple from the tree of knowledge.
This is NOT about knowledge.
It is about OWNERSHIP which originated long ago as BELONGING.
We were endowed with certain inalienable rights; to eat, to sleep, to enjoy, to live.
IF you have a problem with ANY of these, choke it up because we, who belong to the earth, are of the earth, and are enowed by our creator are not fooled by snakely arguments from those who would employ any means or manner to deprive us, or deny us, or destroy us.
You will never own me or my future.
While there is substance to their alleged myopia and hubris, there is considerably more to this story than simply demonizing a homogenized global elite, in which Greenwald should admit membership. In a recent NYRB article, Jonathan Freedland wrote “Look at those who voted for Brexit. The strongest single predictor was education. Those who had been university educated opted overwhelmingly to remain; those who had only made it through the British equivalent of high school or less wanted to leave.” A great many of the former were younger voters, adding a notable educational dimension to the generational divide seen in the outcome. One could claim the young were all brainwashed by elite prejudices, but their wider perspective is equally arguable. See http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/06/25/from-brexit-to-trump/
Areas containing more younger residents saw a lower turnout than other areas, so it’s difficult to know what young people thought in general. Many obviously thought both options were unworthy.
And although education is laudable, it can often be a predictor of conformism.
The New York Times has become as much a propaganda outlet as the Guardian is; just look at their dishonest cheerleading for the Iraq War in 2003 as an example of that trend.
More to the point, they’ve given no coverage at all to the legitimate economic reasons for restricting EU rules on capital flow, which is essentially the heart of the left argument for Brexit; as seen in Greece, unrestricted capital flows can do great damage to a country’s economy.
Trying to paint the Brexit supporters as ignorant under-educated bigots who don’t know what they’re talking about is just more NYT propaganda.
If you are suggesting that it is education that led them to the “correct” choice, then I would suggest that you are overthinking it. Globalization has been neutral to slightly beneficial for people with money, but brutal to the middle class and the working poor.
In other words, the professional classes (the educated) have benefited, while the working classes (the uneducated) have suffered. Thus, it was not that some people made the “correct” choice and some made the “incorrect” choice; it is that globalization has harmed more people than it has helped.
One might just as well make the statement that those with the greater practical life experience opted overwhelmingly to leave.
It all depends on the metric one chooses.
You state that, “One could claim the young were all brainwashed by elite prejudices, but their wider perspective is equally arguable.” But since when has the acquisition of an academic degree guaranteed a “wider perspective”?
Most degrees, I would argue, result in a much-narrowed perspective. The degreed archaeologist generally has no special insight into the biology of the oceans, and those with a degree in finance generally have no special insight into the history of colonial Africa. There may be rare exceptions of graduates who emerge with a broad-spectum knowledge of history, geopolitics, social psychology, and macroeconomics, but that is certainly far from the norm in my experience.
I refer you to Mencken…
“The most erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.”
And children born into the third reich would pick up guns and defend “the homeland” from the invading forces. The fate of the planet is not about education or paymaster loyalty. It’s about inheritance, indoctrination, and porpoise training. Educated people command a higher price for their soul. Evil always has a perspective and pays more.
http://thebiblesomewhere.something
@photosymbyoisis
Not. I am in only one group, to wit: insisting on highlighting the specific truth of the severe and menacing racism and xenophobia that Brexit was both fed by, and which it feeds.
I also am on the side of the truth regarding Brexit in general. It may be that Brexit was the correct result for noble and progressive reasons. I sincerely mean that sincdrely, and some people I respect take that position.
There are, however, also many I respect who weight factors differently and believe Brexit is a disaster that is going to severely harm people of color, as well as the poor whites it’s supposed to help by “ending”
“elite” control of the economy.
What I have no patience for — at all — are “progressives” who prance around unabashedly happy in the result and pretending there is no severe and serious problem of racism and intolerance supporting Brexit, and promoted by it as well. I have not much more patience for those who think the economy of the average person is magically now going to improve because the elites were delivered a big “Fuck You!” Between the denial of the menacing racism and Other-hatred, and the magical thinking I see on display vis-a-vis the economics, I’m not impressed by many Brexit supporters.
It’s not about racism or hatred. It’s about massive government corruption and people are fed up with catering to and being forced to support all the “special” people with their list of entitlements.
Humanity responsibility is to care for children, the elderly and those that are unable to care for themselves. That’s it.
Imagine if all the people took Personal Responsibility for their lives….then nobody would need all these “Entitlement Cards” that just piss people off.
The Brexit change is going to be a rocky road with alot of obstacles to overcome, the people know that, but in doing so, they are charting a course that others WILL follow…
I watched this this documentary after Brexit….and wondered why you never hear much about Switzerland….who never joined the EU would apparently “be sorry”.
BREXIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
They’re not… because they have Voice!!!
It’s also not xenophobia, the majority of our generation is quite beyond that and do not have an “intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.” It’s about a strict adherence to a belief system that threatens all other belief systems……and they don’t want to support more entitlements.
It’s about Rage, not Hate
It’s about Freedom, not Control
It’s about Democracy! WooHoo!!!
When I read this first sentence:
I then merely scanned the rest.
You are immoral. Denying the fact of the virulent racism and xenophobia driving much of support for Brexit, and that the successful vote has further inflamed, is disgusting.
I’m not going to substantively engage anyone who denies what it is obscene to deny.
-Mona- to Jessie:
WTF
It’s Mona’s virulent way or the highway, once again.
Take a hint from the pope, deary, and forgive people instead of wishing “intolerable pain upon” them or calling them “disgusting, immoral” for failing to see the world as your coke bottle-bottom glasses reveal. You demand the world call something for what it is you see.
If I remember correctly, you were sure people who did not believe the Charlie cartoonists were “brave” were pretty despicable, too.
And god forbid someone criticize Israel outside of -Mona’s- comfort zone.
-Mona- is as bad as any commenter who has been banned for disruptive behavior. Honestly, no one hurls pejoratives as much as -Mona-.
Perhaps, Mona, if you can’t be bothered to read a post, you shouldn’t bother to respond to it, either. And, certainly, nobody should pay serious attention to your responses to posts you proudly announce you haven’t read.
Why aren’t you ashamed of yourself?
Self-shame much?
@ Jessie
How can something be an “entitlement” if I/we pay in to it our entire working lives? Medicare and Social Security are not “entitlements”, they are paid for and earned “benefits” for most of us (other than those who started drawing those benefits without paying fully into them at their inception).
Whenever I hear someone say “entitlement” I think they are a moron and don’t know what they are talking about?
And if you are talking about say, unemployment compensation, again, a paid for and earned “benefit” of being previously employed.
If you are talking SS disability, or food stamps, or Medicaid, or those sorts of things, they aren’t an “entitlement” in that sense either–they are the collective decision we made to each kick in a little bit to give people a basically dignified life, and health care, and food, if they are generally speaking not able to provide those things for themselves. Because I’ll tell you who isn’t capable, and never have been of shouldering that burden for millions of people–their families (assuming they have them) and/or charity/churches.
So you should probably shove your “entitlement” and any attendant “rage” about it right up your ass, but for the grace of God go you. And if you don’t comprehend that reality of life, then you’re a blinkered immoral idiot. We take care of those unable to take care of themselves in this country, or at least we used to, because that’s what makes us moral human beings not dog eat dog social darwinists douche bags.
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Great post.
Funny how ‘entitlement’ has been stood on its head. It orginally meant ‘being given a title’ such as Lord, Baron, Duke, etc. The ‘titled’ aristocrat then had the right to oppress his serfs, force them to follow his religious beliefs, rape and pillage them at will – aka “Royal Perogatives.”
I still view it as having that meaning, so when I read ‘entitlement’ I first thought, “Ah, a discussion of the corporate welfare systems put in place by financial elites to protect their interests, such as the IMF, etc.” Hmm. . . not what the commenter was thinking of?
For example, “The corporate elite believe they were entitled to that 2008 $1 trillion bailout ripped from the middle class taxpayer, because aristocracy has its privileges.” That’s how the real entitlement system works.
Actually, that’s why they are entitlements. I’m afraid you’ve bought into the contorted, pejorative redefinition of the word, rr.
Dictionary check time (where you will, indeed, find that the pejorative connotation has made its way into accepted usage, but that’s a bizarrely-twisted meaning).
While my comment is not Brexit specific, per se, your sentiment has been reinforced lately by my ‘discussions’ on Twitter with “Vote Blue,” DNC, and Hillary supporters, specifically regarding the idea that, in fact, the Democratic party, which I belonged to for decades, and the GOP, which I’ve abhorred for decades, have, especially in the area of the economy and foreign policy become one and the same.
Despite my emphasizing that this incrementalism over the past several decades has actually resulted in the regression of many core progressive values in these areas, there seems to be little recognition that this may have actually happened, much less that it still may be.
Which leads to what I’ll call the Brexitization of the electorate, aka Trumpism.
There seems to be no recognition within the Hillary/DNC crowd that this is a phenomena to deal with. At all. Are they simply willing this to go away – “if we don’t say its name it can’t be real!?!”
Their answer for any naysayers is to “stop attacking the base!”
I truly think that their heads are in the sand even more than I thought on these topics. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens. Trump’s candidacy derails? A third party actually does decide an election? (unlike 2000).
An aside – I don’t like to live in an echo-chamber, but after this mornings discussions: I’ve never blocked so many people in one day on Twitter.
Why truncate my comment?
The whole point is that, as in Austria, the centrist corporate elites are now very unpopular, leaving a choice between ecologically-minded ‘fringe leftists’ as the corporate media puts it, and the neo-fascist right represented by the likes of Boris Johnson. Believe me, the ‘fringe left’ is a far better option than the far right.
What Mona seems to have a hard time talking about is how the economic agenda of the EU, by promoting austerity in some countries while enriching others, has done a lot to create wealth inequality across the EU. In addition, the actions of the EU leaders who promoted regime change in Syria and Libya (so they could access oil deals) created this warzone disaster that sent hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing into Europe.
The rise in xenophobia and racism in response to these two factors (austerity and regime change) is unfortunate, but explaining that rise is not the same as justifying it. It is certainly not “denying it”.
In any case, Mona, what kind of policies would you promote to help reduce the rising levels of xenophobia and racism across the EU? I say end austerity programs and end regime change efforts. What do you say to that?
And don’t you think that there is a danger of the financial elites getting behind the neofascist parties to promote their own interests?
and selling your soul to the devil for a lifetime in the blazing sun is not a grand bargain.
people are weak, doesnt mean you need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
there are problems, good ones, common ones, evil ones.
i choose good problems.
choose your pain.
After 30 years of hard work, dutifully paying a mortgage, the taxes and the gamblers insurance for the mortgage with a job that became a grind because the powers that be see that job as a tool or leverage to win favors from others, the BREXIT clarified the situation for us in America.
We tried it your way (the gamblers’ “market”) and it isn’t working for us, the “market” has not improved. You don’t have to be a bum to lose in this game, just unlucky. The 1% turned us all into gamblers whether we understood the risks or not. We only wanted a roof over our heads.
Our “luck” would have been so different if the ex passed before the divorce at the height of the housing bubble. Makes you realize that even the divorce laws are an instrument for the 1%. Cut your wealth in half to avoid having the government support an ex who never had a job outside the home, but put the family on the brink of bankruptcy twice.
Time to stop all mortgage payments. If the bank wants to insure the house to ensure they get their money, maybe their buddies could sell them some of those credit default swaps.
It’s out! George Soros earned $1.9 billion shorting the British Pound this week. Good Job George. I wish more criminals were as good as you.
A powerfully incisive diagnosis of what ails us; and, yes, it will get worse before it gets better. It’s the classic case of being unable to change bad behavior if one does not recognize it as a problem. On a quibbling note, I have to agree with the commenters critical of Chris Hayes. I just would not hold him up as a paragon of elite self-reflection, his adroitness at deconstructing schisms to which contributes notwithstanding. And I don’t think it’s just about him working for MSNBC, either. Indeed, Dylan Ratigan provided a wonderfully trenchant and sorely missed perspective on that network. No, beyond his smugness, arrogance and incessant self-congratulation, Hayes serves first and foremost his own interests, and secondarily those of the elite circles in which he travels and traffics.
John Pfeffer in The Nation has a similar theme: Donald type politicians as heralds of a larger breakdown.
https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-isnt-the-presidential-candidate-we-should-be-worried-about/
Erratum. John Feffer. Damn allergy.
@ coram nobis
And this is a nice companion piece to John Feffer’s written by Emmett Rensin:
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism
If American liberals/progressives don’t figure this out, and start seriously addressing the concerns of who could be their nominal allies, then Feffer may be exactly correct about what comes after Trump’s failed candidacy–something much much worse and much much more appealing to far too many. And liberals/progressives will be able to do nothing about it because they will have lost credibility and legitimacy.
Thanks for that link. It’s another example of how the wealth inequality promoted by EU policies has had a massive destabilizing influence all across the EU:
If we look at the current anti-Polish xenophobia in Britain, linked to the increase in Polish immigrants, we can see how xenophobia, wealth inequality, and wage cuts linked to immigration are all linked.
The same phenomenon in the United States, under NAFTA, has occurred – NAFTA allowed manufacturing jobs to be shipped to Mexico, creating sweatshop zones. It allowed cheap subsidized U.S. agribusiness products (corn etc.) to be dumped on Mexican markets, driving small Mexican farmers into bankruptcy. Those ex-farmers could toil in sweatshops or cross the border to work in U.S. domestic jobs, such as agriculture, meatpacking, and various service jobs. This drove down U.S. wages, and fueled the anti-immigrant backlash that Trump rode to the Republican nomination.
Conclusion: these trade deals are absolute disasters for the middle class in every country that implements them, they are constructed solely to transfer wealth from the middle class to the corporate elite, and they have disastrous knock-on effects such as the rise of right-wing racism and vast wealth inequality.
Especially the last three presidents have been a lousy lot. Clinton, a member in good standing of the Dixie Mafia. George W. with an abundance of problems including skipping out on his National Guard duty. Finally Obama with no valid documents, unclear about his birth place, looking a lot like his grandfather’s friend and not his putative father, with virtually no experience doing anything and friend of members of the Weather Underground. But each of these men had the support of the Over Lords for whom a dirty candidate is precisely what the doctor orders. And now Lady Clinton. How delicious being about as criminal as anyone who ever ran for the presidency. The perfect wicked witch–but the Oligarchs like her for obvious reasons. And despite Bernie having said she lacks the judgement necessary to be president will nonetheless vote for her. So much for Bernie. There is Jill Stein or staying home. Something seriously happened to the Left Wing some time ago and now they seem like the army of the defeated living on repine across the land. Most of their articles are not worth reading. They are really junior Oligarchs following the money in order to get some for themselves and not much beyond that. So of course Donald Trump is bad = not dirty enough and too independent. The Intercept is a vitamin enriched version of MSM. I can’t say there is much nourishment in John Feffer either; mostly he finds innumerable way to tell us he does not like Donald Trump but give no evidence of superior insight or perspicacity. His article is just one among thousands. He really does little more than rehash MSM and find some apparent parallel in Poland. I find articles like his leave my mind feeling clouded and numb. They are the fast articles. The GMO’s of the written word. Beware. If you read a lot of trash and then by accident read a great novel you immediately notice the difference or at least I hope so. Contemplate that and you will see immediately what I mean.
Be sure and point us to those great articles and novels when you come across them.
Just a great piece! Beginning to think I was crazy for seeing solid Brexit inevitability (even within the possible pitfalls). But you validated aspects I’d thought of, and also the sick warmongering hive of it. As a rather large aside, many Londoners (and those with money) may be Euro-friendly, cosmopolitan travelers, but the core of traditional Britain has often been continent skeptic.
So, as a 70-year-old retired librarian of limited means, what can I do? I can vote and sign petitions and march in demonstrations, which I do, all to no effect I’ve ever seen. As you say, the elites – political, financial, and media – have gamed the system and we are powerless. Again, what can an individual do?
Or is my question deluded? As Faulkner put it, “The past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past”. Maybe serfdom never passed away, it was just taking a break.
lol. Good point. And Faulkner’s point as well. I’ve always wondered why no one writes too much about serfdom never passing away, or just taking cyclical breaks.
Serfdom took a break, for us in the “developed world,” for about 30 years or so after WWII. And that was only because it was in someone’s interest to allow a real middle class to develop. It’s over – look at Thomas Piketty’s statistics about the stagnation of real income and the concentration of wealth if you need to be convinced.
@ clare howell
I do what you do. Keep fighting and hope for a sea change in others awareness of situation and willingness to fight it.
And then I drink a couple ice cold beers. Or go fishing. Or go for a horseback ride. Or sit quietly listening to wind and river nearby. I think we get despondent when we don’t see our actions produce direct tangible results, but we shouldn’t.
Gandhi argued you shouldn’t see it that way. He understood what he did as an individual was largely meaningless (it wasn’t in his case) in grand scheme of things, but you do what you believe to be right anyway not because it necessarily has direct observable consequences or yields immediate results–but because it is the right thing to do (at least as you see it). And really as Gandhi said, you only have power to change yourself and how you live. That’s as good as it gets in this life. Hopefully you work to get enough others to change along with you, and then that’s when the consequences of mass action begin to manifest.
Gandhi liked to fast. I like to have environmentally sustainable fun when times get tough. Doesn’t cost too much and neither does a little beer or spirits to soften the dark days when stuff is getting you down.
Mushrooms and a Dead concert works pretty good too for recharging the old emotional battery. Or so I’ve heard. Not that I’d have any recent direct experience with that of course. ; ^ )
Maybe serfdom never passed away…
very true
we are in a real fix
the currency system is such that it creates a winners – losers dichotomy and thus a cometitive hierarchy and thus it keeps “growing”
it’s a frankenstein
i hope you can see that Hillary Clinton is frankestine’s bride.
What can we do?
two things
1. write new declaration of rights and constraints
2. implement a NEW CURRENCY SYSTEM that we all own (the rothschilds group removed)
“What can I do?” It is the question, isn’t it? My thoughts:
– you can move your money from a big bank, like the ones that were ‘saved’ during the $4 trillion dollar bailout, to a local credit union.
– you can support your local labor unions (librarians, teachers?) and be involved in labor activities.
– to the degree possible, you can opt-out of the stock market altogether and invest in local, tangible assets that socially help people.
– you can read your news here at The Intercept, and outlets like it, and forego mainstream media outlets.
– you can kill your television, turn it off.
– you can refuse to borrow money from banks, play your small part to stop debt bondage.
– if you are able, you can lend money to your children and grandchildren at no interest.
– you can do your part to help organize various groups, connecting dots, building relationships, for like-minded progressive groups. Become a matchmaker.
– you can paint a broad picture, helping your children and grandchildren to understand what you see, and the impacts, especially as they are manifest in your life.
Finally, use your voice. We all have one and one person can make a difference with their voice. Use it. Sound off. Preach from the mountain tops, call out the injustice, inequality, and lack of freedom you are experiencing or have experienced.
Regardless, start right where you are and intend well. Intentionality matters, and gradualness is honorable. And by all means, understand that you are not powerless. You may be one, but your are one.
Stand in the center of fire and don’t shrink back. What time is it, Clare? It’s game time!
@ musefish
In all seriousness, Clare, what Musefish suggests are all good starting points. I’ve done all of those except smash my TV because I find value in watching sporting events live (without going to bar) and I like some movies (which obviously there are alternatives than paying for cable/internet subscription) and I get it for a decent rate together with my high speed internet connection which I would have difficult living without given what I do for a living.
thx, rrheard. If you’ve anything to add to the list to help me further along the path, I would appreciate it. It’s a large, powerful machine, I know that, but I am doing my part to respectfully tell ‘it’ to go to Gehenna.
I’ve also become interested in “generative” economies and horizontal democratic structures.
Additions:
1) try and learn to cut down on meat consumption (assuming can’t become vegetarian) and eat less generally and waste less food generally, and stay away from packaged and processed foods as much as possible;
2) learn to best you can “eat locally & seasonally” and support non-mass production food production;
3) take the time to grow something and eat it even if it’s just in a garden box on your apartment balcony or take part in community garden type activities;
4) once a month volunteer at food pantry, homeless shelter, etc. etc.
5) give a job to a neighbor or someone less fortunate if you can;
6) if you are a business owner, invest in less skilled human beings that help your endeavor instead of short-sightedly only looking to people with existing skills and experience (which used to be the norm in America);
7) only buy consumer products made in America (preferably not LA sweatshops), sourced from American resources, or at the very least only from nations with comparable environmental and labor laws;
8) become more “political” not less “political” even if that means just taking time to inform yourself about issues, write your elected officials or show up at public meetings;
9) convert to solar for home electricity needs (LCD bulbs, better insulation, put on sweater in winter etc.), and stop worrying about having a green lawn if not convert your entire property to indigenous plants that are evolved for amount of water in your region without watering;
10) try and employ mass transit more often for work purposes if possible or carpool (or alternatively bicycle, electric bike or by motorcycle if possible for part of year);
11) drink local microbrews in moderation;
12) smoke and grow pot in moderation . . . oh wait, I sort of got off track on those last two. : )
But I think you get the idea. Million little things we can all do, that if everyone was doing it more rather than less, makes a big difference in the aggregate.
Nice additions. I totally agree with you regarding the ‘aggregate.’ I think about that verse, “the revolution will not be televised.” Activists standing toe-to-toe with law enforcement taking mace in the face is newsworthy for sure, but yet, termites still do more damage working slowly, together, methodically to ‘bring the house down.’ Sort of like a massive BDS for everyone against the elite structures. It’s why I think a definitive list of who the “elite” are, what companies they own, ought to be developed and circulated far and wide among working class and poor circles, striving to unite outer right and left groups around commonalities.
Yup, that global think tank network is working overtime spewing out their bullcrap on behalf of their money masters.
I like this video I picked up over at wallstreetonparade.com (Pam Martens)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBz6y6ZrmD8
Powerful analysis. Mostly confusion from the MSM. Thank you for laying the pieces out and illuminating the pattern.
“Special Report On Brexit – Crash of All Crashes Coming… Poverty, Hunger, Joblessness, Anger and then War”
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/special-report-on-brexit-crash-of-all-crashes-coming-poverty-hunger-joblessness-anger-and-then-war/163328
“Do not believe the mainstream media that the Brexit vote crashed the global markets. The real reason why all markets tanked is record debt levels around the world that will never be paid back.”
An alternative look at things.
Are you seriously citing that blog as a credible source for, well, anything?
Wow. Can’t imagine you’ll get many takers around here for that type of idiotic nonsense from the Shivleys and their assorted Bundy Boys fellow travelers.
Particularly here in Oregon.
Here’s something more reliable, which points to why immediate applicate of Article 50 (as Corbyn has called for) is a good idea for Britain, i.e. the capital flow/flight issue:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/billions-of-pounds-taken-out-of-the-british-economy-amid-fears-of-brexit-a7069786.html
That’s precisely what happened in the Greek crisis. Britain could put a stop to this by immediate application of Article 50; Cameron is likely stalling on this at the orders of his London bankster masters (and Boris Johnson of the neofascist right has entirely rolled over for the international financiers with his calls for ‘single market access’.)
Meanwhile, a full-scale effort by international finance appears underway to punish the British people for their impertinence in exercising their democratic rights; probably led by George Soros as in the 1997 Asian Crisis.
Well I have no doubt that certain factions or forces will try and punish Britain (assuming Article 50 of Lisbon Treaty is ever officially triggered). In fact it is already happening. Just look at various stories on the front page of Guardian.
But given that London is a very major player if not cog in the global neoliberal “order”, I don’t think what worked with Greece will necessarily work with Britain, so not sure the two are necessarily comparable exemplars of what to expect going forward.
Frankly, if Syriza hadn’t folded, they should have swallowed the bitter pill of default, and all the attendant hardship to the Greek people, pulled the plug on their membership in the EU, and get on with building something sustainable. It is and was a horrible humanitarian crisis, but I’m guessing the Greek people could have survived and rebuilt in less than 20 years. I really don’t see the way out for the Greek people given what Syriza did, rather than fighting to death for what Varoufakis suggested or telling the Troika to get fucked.
Here’s the bottom line–when you owe lenders a relatively small sum, then you are fucked if you can’t pay it back. But when you owe a lender a relatively huge amount, and choose not to pay, the lender takes it the loss much harder. That’s your only leverage as a debtor. Now that doesn’t address all the international legal complexities of whether and how a nation can actually declare what amounts to insolvency and bankruptcy, but in the long run I think that could have been sorted out without perpetuating the Greek people’s misery and what appears to be the perpetual debt enslavement and scavenging of all of their natural resources and businesses to “privatization” and “fire sales” to creditors. Just don’t see how that works out for Greek people.
Britain on the other hand is much more complex given Scotland, Ireland, Wales interests and London’s role in the global neoliberal order.
Interesting times to say the very least.
As I’ve said repeatedly over the years, I simply don’t see how the neoliberal order is sustainable for much longer, and it most certainly isn’t environmentally sustainable as a function of resource extraction, over-consumption, population growth, and burning everything in sight for fuel.
I’m glad I’m 50 and won’t live to see the worst of it, but it is coming absent a fundamental shift in economic thinking and practices globally, and a fundamental reorientation of human beings to population and consumption.
We need a “new way of life” globally, or you might as well stick a fork in all the species of flora and fauna on the planet that are interdependent (which is all of them including humans). Short of that, the earth will shake us off and get back to rebuilding what took 100s of thousands and millions of years to evolve. And human beings basically destroyed it in the blink of an eye relatively speaking (maybe 5000-10,000 years tops is all it took, but maybe only 300 depending on how you look at it).
Believe it or not I actually cite this publication, The Intercept, though it has rather inferior writing and commentary as a rule. I go by the article or the video and not where I find it Obviously no place has the whole truth. In the present instance Greenwald is way off. Did you actually listen to the video or are you allergic to these sites? Oregon may be a little backward but one can hope! The Liberals and the Progessives are now yesterday. They are mostly totalitarians really. Sleepwalkers.
Yawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn.
Obviously no one voice has the entire truth on any topic. Nor would I ever argue such a thing, which is why I read voraciously on a wide variety of topics, from a wide variety of reputable defensible sources, and have 7 years of higher education under my belt to back it up. Notwithstanding that, “from the trenches world report” is a joke by comparison to the Intercept as far as quality of writing or in terms of probative journalism or analysis. Generally, I don’t read backwater nobodies writing on blogs from Chiloquin, Oregon on topics they don’t understand fuck all about.
And if you honestly believe Glenn Greenwald is “way off” re: present situation, I think you’re a know-nothing moron. And if you think “most liberals and progressives are totalitarian sleepwalkers” or that “Oregon is a little backward” then my belief in that regard is simply confirmed. Quite frankly it means you don’t even understand the meaning of the world “totalitarian” not as a political science matter or simple semantics/semiotics.
Best of luck to you, but you might want to refrain from engaging me further before I decide to start demonstrating your know-nothingism for everyone here to see.
You have seven years under your belt . . . interesting that you locate your intellectual education there. So you might have bought the PhD myth. Actually there are a lot of very smart people who just can’t stand the bright lights of places like the Intercept. Yes, I prefer John Pilger to Greenwald.
And any number of other commentators like Paul Craig Roberts who has the PhD plus lots of experience which Greenwald lacks. In fact he seems to me like the average urban intellectual suffering still from a law degree. And lets face it Oregon is the refuge now for CA. Wherever you find people pushed out of formerly liberal haunts by things like mandatory vaccinations, etc. you find all sorts of fantasy thinking. I associate liberals and progressives of this era with PC, the Clintons and Obama, LBGT hysteria, a lack of real culture, excessive intellectualism, not very grounded, single or with a partner but perhaps thankfully without children which they would find difficult to rear . . . not that I am a conservative either. Maybe traditionalist. You do have a pretty high opinion of yourself (which means you might be an attorney) which may be a real hazard when something matters besides the comment section. Assuming you are a man ( a risky assumption these days) you probably have women troubles and blame the women, etc. Good luck though during the Manchester voter initiated financial hurricane!
It seriously reminds me of those evening infomercials telling people to buy Gold and Silver.
Here is my response.
youtube*dot*com/watch?v=FIi9RxXn6hU
gold went up nicely as did silver
Totally off topic, but this seems like a positive development for Palestinians.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/israel-and-turkey-to-announce-end-of-six-year-stand-off
And a little belated justice for the families of the Turkish activists who were murdered on the Mavi Marmara.
Brexit vote prevailed, the resistance is possible!
http://bit.ly/296opzc
Don’t use those blind bitly links.
http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/spam/317892-how-to-recognize-and-avoid-phishing-emails-and-links
Eek. The post-Brexit economic slide, which international shipping and other key global indicators show has been happening for at least a year now, will continue — at an accelerated pace. And that spells serious trouble for China and India which, if they slide as is likely into the extreme downside of the never failed business cycle, will result in savage global deflation and result in acute increases in unemployment in many, many countries — including the USA and Canada, and throw all existing economic plans into ruin/turmoil and result in violent social upset everywhere. I suspect that in an unwitting way Donald Trump foresaw this (but not necessarily Brexit) and that is why he is likely to become president as the first phases of significiant global deflation kick in, as may have already begun and become very noticeable over the new several weeks. As for the Justin Trudea government, ouch: Canada will be unable to afford any kind of huge infrastructure program that was supposed to save prevent our economy from a severe recession or worse.
Finally a column that gets it !
Keep up the great work.
I from one USA perspective, thank You Glen for pointing out the MSM lie, that everyone who wants legal controlled sustainable immigration, Constitutional Law for all Government actions from declaration of war to freedom of speech, even for vile and unpopular speech; with broadest rights and fullest protections and opportunities for all factions, orientations and races. What our Constitution grantees is not stupid or anti-anyone.
I have watched the elites play divisive issues off right against left and suggest or perpetrate sedation. Many of US that might vote for Trump are not voting for Trump or his “agenda” but for a candidate that will force the same folks from both extremes to recognize and demand the protection of our Constitution, even those that previously wished to bypass the Constitution or committed sedition against it.
Hopefully the 2020 election will see the end of elite or demigod rule and allow a moderate reformer to restore our Constitution and Republic. No more wars of preemptive choose and no more lost rights by blacklist. Make the Nation work more equitably for the benefit of all.
Deny it if you want GG, but you are all “media elites” also.
You just think you are different but you are not. The only difference between the writing here and the writing at CNN or Fox is who is funding the paychecks. Corporate America buys ads to support the Murica, Fuck Yea journalism and rich liberals fund the Chomsky-like America sucks journalism here.
In both instances, the reporters are just as smug and judgmental and full of shit. In both cases the media pretends to speak for the pissed off masses when in reality the journalists in both camps are parrots spewing different ideology.
Just recently Robert Mackey was comparing Brexit voters to Nazis! How dare you pretend to be above that fray? How dare you imply you have moral high ground? Intercept staff are every bit as guilty of biased bullshit as the mainstream types. Just because you call it adversarial, doesn’t mean you are any different.
“MEDIA REACTION to the Brexit vote — filled with unreflective rage, condescension, and contempt toward those who voted wrong — perfectly illustrates the dynamics that caused all of this in the first place. Media elites, by virtue of their position, adore the status quo. It rewards them, vests them with prestige and position, welcomes them into exclusive circles, allows them to be close to (if not themselves wielding) great power while traveling their country and the world, provides them with a platform, fills them with esteem and purpose. The same is true of academic elites, financial elites, and political elites. Elites love the status quo that has given them, and then protected, their elite position.”
I find it pretty ironic that you are viciously attacking an individual journalist for…hypocrisy? I guess? But why should a journalist publishing their personal views on a subject on a certain site or channel mean that they MUST identify with and support or condone any other views espoused by completely separate writers on the same site? To me, this would seem to indicate that you view journalism outlets as something akin to sports teams – if you write for these guys and they publish your stuff, you must be a unanimous voice, in lock-step with each other.
This is especially confusing to me as you disparage (which I would agree with you on) institutions that largely *are* like this. Why then would you be pissed that Glenn and this Robert guy are espousing different viewpoints? And that The Intercept would publish differing viewpoints? That seems like a good thing to me.
Also a bit confused on why his critiquing Media is automatically invalidated by his being a journalist. Journalists write about stuff. If they can’t write about their own industry, then who will? That’s a weird Catch-22 to angrily try to uphold.
PR operative’s manual: When you can’t fight the argument on its merits, attack the source that published the argument.
Funny though, I don’t see any Intercept members on the board of the Associated Press; if you want to know who writes the propaganda script for the ‘elite media’, these people are at the top of the list:
http://www.ap.org/company/board-of-directors
Every major print media conglomerate is represented there, Gannet, Hearst, NYTimes, etc. If you look at the directors of the major television/cable conglomerates, i.e. TimeWarner, Disney, Viacom, Comcast, British Sky, etc. Look up their major shareholders on yahoo finance, and you’ll find the same group of Wall Street funds – Vanguard, Capital World, State Street, Blackrock, FMR – as well as Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, etc.
So if Goldman Sachs, who profited heavily off the Greek crisis via its pump-and-dump schemes, directs the boards of the media conglomerates to run articles attacking Brexit because it threatens EU capital flow rules, the media conglomerates comply; and any reporter or editor who doesn’t go along – he or she will be seeking a new job, right?
See the difference between the real “media elites” and relatively small Internet outfits, charlie?
Not gonna waste my time going back through a lot of old threads to document its, but you are a moron who regular makes errors of manifest fact, and of basic logic. Having established zero credibility, there’s no reason for anyone to consider a word you post.
Every writer at The Intercept should consider paying people as smart and savvy as you to say bad things about them. Please don’t stop.
Yeah I call bullshit too.
“Even now, Western elites continue to proselytize markets and impose free trade…” Either Glenn doesn’t understand what free trade actually means, or he’s being disengenuous. The political elites don’t want free trade, they want to control trade, like they want to control everything else. Shocking that Glenn doesn’t see that for what it is, when he’s so right usually about these globalist elites are up to. There has clearly been a steady movement away from free trade, pushed by elites, ever since the dawn of modern capitalism. And before you start pointing to “free trade agreements” as proof for the opposite, please understand that they are inherently non-free trade. True free trade needs to governmental agreement.
Glenn Greenwald is a hero! Not only is he more intelligent than the establishment (the christopher narcissus hitchins kind of semi-literate oaf), he is also one of the most ethical and moral people on this planet.
I haven’t liked Greenwald in the past, but this article is spot on. Spot on. It channeled my feelings on the subject perfectly.
I have been asking myself with Brexit and Trump, why the media isn’t split on these subjects more or less on lines with the populace. Instead they have nearly unanimously taken one side of the subject. This is a sign of the media trying to control their readers instead of reporting what they think. They seem to believe their opinions are superior to the point of not even investigating or making a case for the opposing side.
They have become the establishment as is stated here. Time to reflect.
Thank you so much for writing this. I’m horrified to watch “zombie liberalism” rampage across the world, unaware of its own demise, while putrescent fascism gives an outlet to the primal scream of rage against the elites. Keep writing and fighting, Glenn
The very best article I have read on the subject of the political climate and changes afoot. It is very sad that the MSM has no idea what is actually roiling in the world today. Thank you for putting some much needed clarity on this subject.
Amen!
We may begin addressing this problem by demonstrating respect for those of who are being britily marginalized, as people, citizens, workers, disemployed, disenfranchised, parents, children, or any term needed that allows for our ways of knowing.
Additionally, I request that we cease to perpetuate an untruthful portrayal of the parasitic profiteers of corporate greed as “elite.” Refer to them as exploiters, heartless, isolated, blind, prejudice, moneyed chauvinists, hoarders, power mongers or any necessary term that does not continue and perpetuate an image that they ate bright and clean and we the dull, unwashed.
Although you write truth, Glen, you succumb to the built in, unconscious, disdain of the people, and, even as you expose them, you use the preferential language of glamorizing the pirates who pilfer the people.
Great points concerning language, i.e., “elite.” I agree with you. Hence forth, I shall call them Dirty Extractors. Or, perhaps, Dementors, like on Harry Potter, sucking the life out of everything.
I don’t care for the word ‘neo liberal’.
e.g. “today, the neoliberal elite said “it’s your baby!””
No, I think you want to eliminate the association of “bright and clean” with elite. Why should “elite” be a positive word? Is “aristocrat” a positive word? Is “snob” a positive word? That’s what elite means.
Anyone who considers themselve to be “elite” is really saying that their life matters more than that of other people, or as George Orwell put it in Animal Farm, “all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
In American military-fetish circles, this is also seen in “elite Special Forces” vs. “common grunts”, with the worshipful admiration of the “elite soldiers” in the press and television, but that also is nonsense; roadside bombs and anti-aircraft weapons don’t distinguish between ‘elite’ and ‘common’, neither do other problems facing the world, such as climate change.
Elite should become a disparaging term, in other words. Stuffed shirt. Self-important blowhard. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Clowns getting high on their own PR. Reminiscent of Nazi propaganda about “the superior ubermensch and the inferior untermensch.” You just have to use it correctly.
For example, consider Libya and Syria – a case of short-sighted elites burning down their own homes with their idiotic regime change policies that flooded Europe with refugees, resulting in mass discontent with elite rule.
@ Mona,
Mona, I better understand your caveats on Brexit after hearing Jeremy Corbyn speak with Amy Goodman on Democracynow.org. Corbyn takes a very sound position on reform while remaining in the EC.
Thanks Aggrieved, I must go hunt that down. I’m seeing much concern about the effect on Ireland, including that Irish women now won’t be able to easily and simply go to Britain for an abortion. People are lamenting that this could mean the return to “papers, please!” at borders and, of course, I see very, very few Muslims who are happy about the tidal wave of racism that’s come with Brexit.
Boris Johnson seems almost in literal shock that his push for Leave actually won. He’s not hardly talking like a giddy victor; instead he sounds like a frightened and nervous asshole who has no idea what to do now that his stunt, against all odds, actually succeeded.
He speaks of the UK now rejecting the EU legislative process, but insists that “will not come in any great rush.” Moreover, rather than dwelling on his triumph, he refers to a “narrow majority” that must reach out to the Remain supporters.
Looks to me like Boris got a Leave victory he never intended, and now is pretty freaked out about what to do with it.
He wins the prize for neofascist elitist clownery. What he has said so far is that he wants to retain the free flow of capital of the EU model (i.e., “single market access”) while banning the free flow of people. This is the “worst of both worlds” that Yanis Varoufakis referred to – nothing but fascist-minded bullshit in the service of the financial industry. What it means is he’s trying to recruit the bankers to support his far-right neo-Nazi ambitions:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-single-market-brexit-a7104846.html
What the “radical fringe left” wants is the opposite; a ban on the free flow of capital due to its destablizing and exploitive effects, from environmental destruction to economic pillaging. The movement of people across borders is not what this group (where my sympathies lie) is primarily concerned with, other than to point out that the neoliberal policies, from austerity to regime change, have fueled dangerously high rates of population movement. They’re perfectly happy with a multicultural society, however.
What the social liberal multicultural group wants is for the free flow of people across EU borders to continue. This would not be a problem if there was less wealth inequality, if elites didn’t try to use these rules to bring in low-paid immigrant labor to force wage cuts, and if Europe hadn’t been flooded with refugees from North Africa and the Middle East. Note also that as fossil-fueled climate change progresses, the number of refugees around the world will only go up; this has already played a role in the destabilization of Syria, in the sub-Saharan Africa conflicts i.e South Sudan, and that’s just the beginning.
You seem to belong to this latter group – but the problem is, there is a lack of understanding of the capital flow issue among this group’s members.
Finally, you have the neoliberal/neocon elites, who only care about retaining their ability to move capital around at will and manipulate markets for their own benefit, and who will throw their money behind whatever political party promises to do that for them. They will happily get in bed with the neo-Nazis, as they did back in 1932, and that’s now the real danger that must be avoided.
The reviled Blairites in the Labour Party are trying to woo this group by kicking out Jeremey Corbyn, but that won’t be so easy; Boris Johnson is also trying to woo this group with his “remain in the single market” line.
One group is clearly not going to be backed by the elite banksters – and that’s the ecological left, which, as in Austria, is now the only rational popular alternative to the neofascists.
@ photosymbiosis
Yep, that’s a very large part of it. I’ve often referred to “neoliberalism” in the economic sense, as “locust capitalism”. And that’s exactly how the neoliberal elite want it.
Free movement of capital is not necessarily an “unalloyed” good. It depends. It depends on what purposes that capital is put to, under what circumstances and regulatory infrastructure, and how long it stays in one place. Otherwise it acts exactly like swarms of locusts.
So you have two choices: 1) eat the locusts before they destroy everything in their path, or 2) watch them eat everything in their path while you starve.
1) eat the locusts before they destroy everything in their path,
I opt for that.
Hate it when I get the link wrong….
https://twitter.com/Pedinska/status/736576062059073536
DocHollywood
“……..absolutely essential to industrialization was protectionism……..The industrial revolution was built on protectionism………The US imposed onerous taxes upon manufactured imports which rose to as high as 50%…….”
While it is true that the US imposed tariffs on imports throughout the 1800s, the high growth rate experienced by the US in the late 1800s doesn’t indicate that the high tariffs were the “cause of the growth”. In fact, it is possible that the tariffs inhibited growth in the US during that period. Douglas Irwin, Professor of Economics at Dartmouth University, studied the problem in 2000 (Abstract):
(i) late nineteenth century growth hinged more on population expansion and capital accumulation than on productivity growth;
(ii) tariffs may have discouraged capital accumulation by raising the price of imported capital goods;
(iii) productivity growth was most rapid in non-traded sectors (such as utilities and services) whose performance was not directly related to the tariff. (http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dirwin/docs/Growth.pdf)
Dr. Irwin concludes:
“………The U.S. experience in the late nineteenth century is often appealed to as evidence that high tariffs can prove beneficial to economic growth and development. Upon closer scrutiny, it is difficult to establish this claim. That tariffs coincided with rapid growth in the late nineteenth century does not imply a causal relationship…….The mundane non-traded sectors, such as utilities, distribution, and other services, accumulated capital more rapidly than manufacturing, achieved higher rates of TFP growth than manufacturing, and boosted U.S.-U.K. relative labor productivity in such a way as to help the United States overtake the United Kingdom in per capita GDP. These non-traded sectors were a key feature of U.S. economic development during this period.”……”
Dr. Irwin’s conclusions hardly back your claim that protectionism was “essential” to industrialization.
You write:
“……. [China rejected neoliberal demands for austerity and open markets and instead used massive state intervention and control to direct foreign investment and the domestic economy; that is why it is successful.]………”
As far as your statement about China goes, it was China’s liberalizing of their markets relative to total complete state control which transformed their anemic economy (pre-1980) and led to the massive growth. In a paper which looked at the transformation of the Chinese economy (“Trade Liberalization and Its Role in Chinese Economic Growth”), Nicholas R Lardy concludes:
“……..China is perhaps the best example of the positive connection between openness and economic growth. Reforms in China transformed it from a highly protected market to perhaps the most open emerging market economy by the time it came into the World Trade Organization at the end of 2001. The focus of this paper has been on manufacturing, but China’s WTO commitments are also leading to a very significant opening in services. For example, the chief U.S. negotiator on China’s WTO accession has characterized China’s commitment to liberalize its distribution system as “broader actually than any World Trade Organization member has made.”14 Thus the positive stimulus that international competition provides for technical change and managerial efficiencies will not be limited to manufacturing but will extend increasingly to the services sector as well, where China’s commitments to increased openness go beyond those made by most other members of the World Trade Organization…….”
Wayne Morrison (Specialist in Asian Trade and Finance) writes:
“………Prior to the initiation of economic reforms and trade liberalization 36 years ago, China maintained policies that kept the economy very poor, stagnant, centrally-controlled, vastly inefficient, and relatively isolated from the global economy. Since opening up to foreign trade and investment and implementing free market reforms in 1979, China has been among the world’s fastest-growing economies, with real annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth averaging nearly 10% through 2014. In recent years, China has emerged as a major global economic power. It is now the world’s largest economy (on a purchasing power parity basis), manufacturer, merchandise trader, and holder of foreign exchange reserves……”
Thanks Doc.
Oil and fossil fuels = growth
But it also means death, of the planet and its inhabitants.
More deceptive distortion from craigsummers in the service of the neoliberal/neooconservative elitist agenda, this time on China.
The simplest way to debunk this is to look at the 1997 Asian economic crisis which brought down most of the rising Asian economies that had bought into ‘free trade market liberalization policies’ – with the exception of China, which used protectionist strategies to prevent the devaluation of its currency in that crisis.
Probably the best economic analysis of the myths of “free trade” is this book by Ha Joon Chang – it’s essential background reading. Naomi Klein’s “Shock Doctrine” is equally important.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1032019.Bad_Samaritans
Now, the 1997 Asian crisis was initiated by an attack on the currencies of Asian countries (Thailand, Indonesia, South Korea) led by George Soros and a cabal of international currency traders. Note that the Guardian provided Soros an op-ed page the day prior to the EU vote? Not a coincidence, when one looks at how Brexit may affect the ease of capital flows around the EU (again, see Greece and Spain).
The 1997 Asian currency devaluation led by these speculators was facilitated by free trade rules; as the economies of Indonesia, Thailand and South Korea collapsed, the IMF stepped in with its usual bailout package and austerity demands, the same game played in Greece more recently. The IMF funds mostly passed into and out of the countries and into the pockets of the creditors, while the people of those countries suffered cuts in social services. This is called the imperial debt slavery model, basically. See Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine for a great analysis of how it works in practice.
So how did China avoid this fate? It had refused to allow its currency to be freely traded (to the horror of ‘free market’ ideologue economists) in 1994 by pegging its value to the dollar; speculators were thus unable to manipulate its currency and do to China what they’d done to Thailand, South Korea and Indonesia. Yes, protectionism saved China.
Yes, China did open up global trade – but it was tightly regulated trade, NOT neoliberal free trade. Another fundamental reason for China’s growth was its flaunting of intellectual property law; Chinese companies happily borrowed technology from the manufacturers who had moved their factories from the United States to China to take advantage of cheap labor; basically this allowed them to leapfrog forward and develop the world’s most advanced manufacturing sector with minimal R&D expenditures.
The US responded to this with howls about “Chinese currency manipulation” (a Donald Trump line) and “theft of intellectual property.” (the Obama and Clinton line). The Chinese smiled back, having become the world’s leading manufacturing powerhouse (there may have been some snide comments about the dumb Yankee wide-eye imperialist running dogs).
This illustrates another point – the clever greedy American elites (read: Steve Jobs & co.) really set themselves up for this transition by moving the advanced factories – developed via billions in American R&D spending over decades – to China to cut labor costs and increase profits. What did they think would happen?
Compare this to Germany c. 1900, who were then the world’s leading industrial power, especially on chemicals, who refused to set up factories in Britain and France because they didn’t want to give away their technology to the competition.
I don’t know how he does it, yet, but craig is the only person I know who cheats at homework.
*word to the wise: craig knows you can’t buy a bolt, sprocket or a head gasket in the great Rust Belt of American (h/t Trump) that doesn’t have “chiny” stamped on it.
If the American elites really believed in their Ayn Rand Social Darwinism line, they’d be bowing down to China as their intellectual and strategic superiors, wouldn’t they?
“Yes, we are dumb greedy fools who gave our technology away to the competition just so we could steal more money from our middle class by undercutting their wages. . . we surrender. Jackasses like us deserve to lose.”
No, instead they want to go with increased militarism in the Pacific. . . sore losers, I think. If anyone ever deserved to be kicked out of government, this neoliberal-neoconservative Clinton-Bush-Obama clown show does.
For comic relief, see Rob Newman’s History of Oil, in particular the bit about China at ~33:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIpm_8v80hw
@ photosymbiosis
Again, I agree with your basic arguments above regarding the problems with the neoliberal economic order.
Be interesting to see how it plays out, but I think many people all around the globe are starting to wise up to the scam, don’t have much left to lose, and are willing to pick up the pitchforks and demand something better. Or at the very least start asking the right questions which is a necessary precursor to throwing over the present neoliberal global order. Probably going to get very dicey in the next 20 years all over the globe, because it’s push come to shove time. IMHO.
Photo
“…….More deceptive distortion from craigsummers in the service of the neoliberal/neooconservative elitist agenda, this time on China……”
You are a laugh a minute photo. First you lie that I “insists that there is no difference between anti-Zionism………and anti-Semitism”. That was a total fabrication on your part. Now you are accusing me of “deceptive distortion” when I said:
“………it was China’s liberalizing of their markets relative to total complete state control which transformed their anemic economy (pre-1980) and led to the massive growth……….”
I did not say “free markets”; I said “liberalizing” which is true. To which you relied,
“…….Yes, China did open up global trade – but it was tightly regulated trade, NOT neoliberal free trade…….”
Clearly, we are NOT in disagreement. In fact, China did liberalize their markets. That is clear also from the two sources I quoted. In addition tariffs have come down in China during their period of economic liberalization:
“…… By the time China entered the World Trade Organization in 2001 the import regime had been almost entirely transformed. As reflected in diagram one, the average statutory tariff, which stood at the relatively high level of 56 percent in 1982, was reduced to 15 percent by 2001……”
So market reforms and some economic freedom have led the resurgent Chinese market.
Thanks.
Unfortunately the American constitutional system is designed to maintain elite power. We are not a “democracy” we are continually told, and that’s true. Elites control the GOP of the power structures easier than the bottom. The tea party and right thinking non-elites won school board and local elections gaining control of state and city legislatures. What Glen writes is too true. But the answer can be an incremental progression toward the same goals. Brexit and Trump are radical breaks.
Great piece, Glenn.
The key word here is CORRUPTION.
This is the truth that we are not allowed to speak of openly.
Even moderates will not say the word because the whole edifice is so rotten – naming the problem brings into question everything.
Questioning corruption makes you a hard line radical, because, realistically, the rot is so deep that removing it while preserving the structure may not even be possible.
To get along unharassed one must pretend it is not there, or at best speak of it cryptically by references to superficial symptoms.
anyone who thinks the elites would allow for any change in the “system” without their consent and approval is simply naive. people with power never give it up voluntarily.
That’s right. Just ask Bashar al-Assad. The infected feeders on the public would rather shoot first, explain later. They were born to steal, and trained to kill. And as they feed on the public, they come to believe that resistance is …. disrespectful, unwarranted, violent, out of the norm.
They prefer willing victims.
You can be stupid, ignorant, xenophobic, racist AND legitimately pissed off at the establishment.
Not all people voted leave were any of the above, but you can bet your life that 99.9% of the people who fit those descriptions above voted leave.
Just a thought, but has anyone considered the possibility that Brexit is all part of the plan?
In ancient Rome, it was common for rulers to fall on their own swords. Cameron resigned, in dramatic fashion, but was he instructed to do so before the vote was even cast? If anyone here really believes that democracy actually exists, or that voting is left to the “little people”, then I have to disagree.
The maniacs running the show leave nothing to chance. I suspect that Brexit is merely a distraction, and a good one. Meanwhile, the US continues it’s build-up of forces across Asia, and the Investigatory Powers Bill gets pushed through parliament with barely a glance. Cameron is a weak man, and born into privilege. He would be easy to control. We should look deeper.
The elites try to make plans, but more often than not they blow up in their faces, that’s what happened here.
Take the Libya-Syria interventions. They thought they could go in, kick out the ruling regimes, install their paid-off London-educated puppets, and secure long-term access to Libyan oil and Syrian pipeline routes.
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12900
Sounded good at the time, no doubt, lots of self-congratulation involved, world leaders on the commanding heights of the global economy, blah blah blah. Surrounded by fawning courtiers who praised their genius, they charged ahead.
Then, it all went sour. The attempt to tie Syria’s Assad to a chemical weapons attack (rather similar to Bush and Saddam’s WMDs) failed to gain traction, and then ISIS rose up in Syria and wouldn’t follow orders. The puppet they tried to install in Libya lasted all of six months before the country collapsed into chaos.
As a result, a mass flood of refugees surged into Europe through Libya and Turkey; this created a vast crisis, as they needed houses and jobs and social services. Without this flood of refugees, (as well as ISIS terrorist attacks in Europe) it’s almost certain that Britain would have rejected Brexit, and Cameron would have retained his prime minister position.
This isn’t far-sighted Machiavellian manipulation; this is children playing with matches and burning down their own house. Clap . . . clap . . . clap . . .
across Asia and on Russia’s borders…
I’ve been saying for years that the Tea Party is a bunch of bitter old white guys throwing a tantrum.
Tea Party?The last we heard of them was pre 12.They went extinct on Fox food.
One of the easier mistakes to make when considering recent developments in Europe and the UK’s Brexit vote is to think of the EU as a democratic, supra-national arrangement of states, a bit like the way that the United States’ Federal Government interacts with the individual States of the Union. The EU is not remotely like that. It has been designed and set up by extremely wealth big business, to aid the extremely wealthy and big business.
The reason that “the political establishment” is railing against the Brexit vote is not merely because the political elites disagree with the will of their electorate, but because the puppet-masters who stand, invisibly, behind those so-called leaders simply do not want to listen. The EU is a money-making machine for big business and the elites.
The UK, 5th wealthiest nation by GDP, has literally thousands of homeless, thousands more dependant on food banks. Prisons are full to bursting. Wages have stagnated since 2008, with “project fear” kept ratcheted up to stop dissent.
The introduction of cheap economic migrants from the EU has meant that the entire lowest tier of employment has suddenly been flooded by people willing to work at or below the minimum wage, dragging down salaries of nationals. Zero-hours contracts have utterly destroyed the last scraps of trades-union protection for vulnerable workers. “What’s that? You’re a union representative? Sorry, no work for you today.”
The most worrisome aspect of this problem is that, given the current “stacked deck” that is the establishment in the UK, none of the options available to the electorate – even “vote Leave” will do *anything* to make a difference.
Already Boris Johnson is scaling back the rhetoric. He is on record as saying he will sign TTIP, even though that deal could do irreversible harm to British innovation, the food chain, and more.
It’s like a scary remake of “The Matrix”. We’ve all been turned into batteries. Our job is not to question, not to challenge, not to ask for something different. Our job is to produce. To make “the machine” even more powerful. Even richer.
“One of the easier mi
A fair description of the entire planet, it seems.
stakes to make when considering recent developments in Europe and the UK’s Brexit vote is to think of the EU as a democratic, supra-national arrangement of states, a bit like the way that the United States’ Federal Government interacts with the individual States of the Union. The EU is not remotely like that. It has been designed and set up by extremely wealth big business, to aid the extremely wealthy and big business.
Yikes! I’d blame The Intercept commenting platform for my atrocious editing of late – but I’m pretty sure it’s all me. :-(
I wonder what Spain and Portugal are up to now. Maybe if these two countries had shared the EU burden the Brits may have decided differently.
During the second world war they sat out of the action, unconcerned at the death and destruction in their neighborhood created by the Germans and Dutch Nazis. Now also they are not taking part in the problems that the EU has created in Iraq, Syria and Libya, among other places.
The Brits were being asked to carry the EU on their shoulders while these two passenger countries were enjoying the ride.
It may be more complicated than that. Britain has been “the seat” (preferred seat) of global power for a long time. As such, much of the elite culture and hierarchy was embedded in the Brit culture since the rise of the Anglican church. As a result, from the times of the tallystick, and thru the american revolution and the american civil war, the currency and markets prevailed in Britain – and even tho policy decisions for the EURO have been made in Brussels, the Square Mile lives in London – and they dont want to give that up.
But it gets interesting as the elites (more elite now than ever before) are figuring how to relocate. There is a sister market in Germany is little sister to NYX and not exactly a leader in its own right. And therein lies the rub. suddenly the breaks, however co-incidentally, fall upon religious lines as they did in mid 1500’s in Henry VIII’s time.
Which makes one wonder what the hay John Kerry was doing in Rome, really…
I smell a currency war.
Interesting point, thank you.
WWII is understood to have began in September 1939. The first day of April of that year Generalissimo Franco proclaimed the victory of the “national forces” against a “captive and disarmed Red Army”. These “national forces” only had a chance because of the unlimited support provided by the Axis powers, Germany and Italy, which provided the rebels with superior aircraft, naval superiority, unlimited amounts of ammunitions and materials… while the legitimate Republican government found that the other European powers had decided on “neutrality” and the only country which got them any kind of help was Soviet Russia.
Spain “sat out of the action” because it was materially impossible for it to wage a war in 1939. You may want to revise your statements before putting your foot in your mouth.
It’s worth adding that many American and British corporations and financiers had backed the Nazis in their assistance to Franco, such as Walter Teagle & Standard Oil, who played a key role in fueling the Nazi war machine (particularly with airplane fuel), not just in Spain but also for the invasion of Poland. Ford was busy supplying the Nazis with trucks – Wall Street’s hatred of FDR was well known, that’s why they got behind Hitler in the 1930s.
As far as Franco himsefl, he had a key ally in Texaco’s Torkid Rieber:
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-untold-story-of-the-texaco-oil-tycoon-who-loved-fascism/
So, I think Spain, like Switzerland “sat out the action” because their leaders (and bankers) had hopes of a Nazi victory, but didn’t want to get too involved in case the opposite happened, as it did.
This history has a lesson for the present, since the real danger facing Europe and Britain right now is that the international financiers may decide to throw their money behind the right-wing neofascist groups, if those groups agree to support their interests – as Boris Johnson is doing.
P.S. As far as the need to “revise your statements before you put your foot in your mouth,” J.P. Rivero, see this quote from the above article:
Not really ‘sitting out’, is that? More like quiet assistance.
Both Spain and Portugal are quietly waiting in the wings and are not taking any of the refugee burden. This has put pressure on the other countries who are burdened with all the rejects that the Germans are exporting.
A lot of corporations directly aided the German Nazis, and they are doing it even now.
See this piece from 1993 on the CFR and journalism/media:
http://www.pennsylvaniacrier.com/filemgmt_data/files/Ruling%20Class%20Journalists.pdf
World elite blinded by lack of oxygen from ruling too far above people level.
The Los Angeles Times’s Vincent Bevins, in an outstanding and concise analysis, wrote that “both Brexit and Trumpism are the very, very wrong answers to legitimate questions that urban elites have refused to ask for thirty years”; in particular, “since the 1980s the elites in rich countries have overplayed their hand, taking all the gains for themselves and just covering their ears when anyone else talks, and now they are watching in horror as voters revolt.” And, of course, the LA Times blindly endorsed Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders because … back the Establishment over critical thinking about the sorry state of America. And the ballot counting continues … without anyone in the mainstream media paying attention. It will be interesting to see once about 1 million more votes are counted in the Golden State.
The deceitful Establishment after printing 250 billion pounds claims that the fall in the pound is due to Brexit.
Nonsense.
The fall in the pound is entirely due to the Establishment giving itself 250 billion pounds – a roughly 10% increase in the broad money supply which immediately dilutes the value of the pound. (The long term effect on the pound is somewhat less – around 3%.)
Economics 101 but every Establishment media outlet is reporting Project Fear’s cynical propaganda rather than the simple truth.
Far closer to the truth is that Sterling’s fall is the direct result of City gamblers losing 250 billion pounds in a matter of minutes.
Can you show me where you got that information from?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/brexit-mark-carney-says-bank-of-england-ready-to-use-extra-250-billion-pounds-to-help-markets-consider-more-action-20160624-gprihd.html
“Bank of England governor Mark Carney said on Friday the central bank was ready to provide 250 billion pounds of additional funds to support financial markets after Britain voted to leave the European Union.”
That’s the establishment PR line, anyway.
Another possiblity is that George Soros and affilitated currency speculators are launching a currency war targeting the British pound as they did in the 1997 Asian Crisis, to “teach Britain a lesson” that will (they hope) reverberate across Europe.
Rapid adoption of Article 50 could nip this in the bud, as could new rules preventing capital flight out of Britain; Cameron is likely stalling on this at the request of his bankster masters. This is one reason why Corbyn has called for immediate implementation of Article 50, I believe.
exactly
now things are more affordable.
a bankruptcy would serve them right.
Printing money actually is inflationary and makes thing more expensive.
See Germany after WWI for reference. I really think you should refrain from economic discussions until you understand the basics. Ya Think?
“Giving itself 250 billion Pounds”
How can one “give” itself anything? If you already own it, it’s not possible to give to yourself.
Your logic is irrational.
Currencies values decrease because traders on the market are selling, rather than buying. They buy or sell futures contracts. Duh.
Market traders dumped the Pound due to uncertainty. Because of BRExit, people with futures contacts in pound Sterling are not certain that they will make purchases from the UK, therefore, they cancel their contracts which in turn drives down the value of the Pound.
India, China and US have already said they will hold off on trade negotiations until they know the trade status of UK with the EU.
Let’s try your logic with something else. Can you give the home you already own to yourself? How about your car? Can you give your car to yourself? Perhaps something more metaphysical : can you give your own thoughts to yourself?
You can give yourself something if you have the authority to distribute something that does not belong to you. Members of legislatures “give themselves” pay increases, right?
Listen to your argument and how it’s different from Mike 5000. You are stating that the original thing in question (money in your example) DOESN’T belong to you.
If it doesn’t belong to you and you have authority to distribute, yes. But CEO,and all managers give raises. Getting a raise isn’t inherently evil, even for Congress.
Mike5000 logic was to give something you already own to yourself, which is not possible since you can’t own the same object twice.
Do either of you know who owns the money that is being printed by a Federal reserve either here in the US or in UK?
I’ll give you a hint: It’s NOT the government.
The rise or fall of a currency comes from how it trades in relation to another currency. Ie..demand for that currency. If more people are selling that currency, then the value goes down in relation to that particular currency.
What your describing (an increase in M2 money supply) does dilute but that affects interest rates in-country.
You say the pound declined, and most likely after BRexit, it declined against ALL other currencies. But that is Not normally the case. Currencies fluctuate against other currencies each day in the markets.
Also, an increase in M2 money supply makes it easier to borrow, which in turn, is economic stimulus. By increasing M2 supply, the Govt is stimulating economic activity, ie….try to encourage more job creation and expansion. EVERY COUNTRY in the world does this. There is no conspiracy behind it. It’s a tool to manage inflation and economic growth.
As Hayes is a Liberal, by “trans-ideological” he means “not socialist”.
Hayes is a owner approved liberal, a fake.
Maybe one way to look at Brexit, Trump and Bernie is that they are fire breaks against the supposed all-controlling dark money of the Kochs and their ilk.
From experience, fire breaks don’t always hold…
Great work as always, Mr Greenwald.
What a load of schumer. This entire article blames free-market capitalism and military adventurism by the USA and the UK for every problem in the world since 2010, conveniently overlooking the fact the Mr. Obama has been chief executive in the USA since 2009, setting foreign and military policy while the Congress licks his feet and does nothing to stop him; and Messrs. Blair and Brown were in charge of Parliament in the UK for most of those years. There was everything BUT free-market capitalism going on…insane levels of government regulation and dictates from unelected executive-branch departments ruled the day. Reagan and Thatcher were mentioned as the progenitors of this movement, but they were opponents to it! Indeed, George H.W. Bush in his first day in the Oval Office in 1989 asked Jim Baker how soon it would be safe to raise taxes on the electorate. Thatcher’s policies were being dismantled in the UK the day after she left 10 Downing St.
YOU PEOPLE – yes, you who wrote this misleading tripe – are a prime example of what the average Joe and Jane are utterly sick of enduring. The lies, the spin, the sophistry…we are tired of it. You can’t understand it. You think we are too stupid to understand that you are our betters and that we should do as we are told. What a vile attitude.
How do you people sleep at night?
I think your heroes were really zeros,just like all the liberal heroes are and were.(Post 80).
“Everything but free-market capitalism going on . . . insane levels of government regulation” – where did you get that from, an all-night session with FOX News?
Swallowed, and now regurgitated. Well, that’s how propaganda works. . .
See Chomsky’s comments on the Trilateral Commission and the report “The Crisis of Democracy”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFxtNgOeiI
The elites’ corruption is more than how they spam each other and the rest of us.
The problem is physics not PR.
Our endeavors are thermodynamic in nature, our way of life produces entropy as a product.
One can shift groups in and out of the establishment but nothing changes until the industrial system itself is dismantled.
The British — probably not on purpose — voted against their cars. So far, when given any sort of choice, everywhere and anywhere in this world, from Greece to Syria, to Brazil, to the middle of America, people have chosen the cars over everything else. Why not? Cars = modernity.
Cars = bankruptcy and ruin. The EU is bankrupt because of its non-remunerative fleet of hundreds of millions of cars, which require together 12 million barrels of imported fuel every single day paid for with euros borrowed from German banks.
Since 2000, euro = gasoline. Now the Brits have said, “stuff it!”
Maybe there is hope, yet.
Brilliant. And true. Even if no one understands.
I=P*A*T
The problem is that too many people have the ability to quickly and conveniently move about in comfort? Gee, I thought the problems stemmed from corruption and symbiosis in finance, politics and media. Silly me.
Yes, silly you.
But, then, as you will notice if you re-read my very short post, I didn’t expect you to understand. And you didn’t comewithin a mile.
Fossil fuel dependency is the problem. Cars that run on electricity generated from sunlight and wind eliminate that problem.
Then, there is no need to run regime change games in Libya and Syria and Iraq to secure control of oil supplies and transit routes. There is no need to coddle the Saudi and Qatari dictators who finance ISIS – no, nor any need to cut oil deals with Iran.
Of course, getting off fossil fuels undercuts the wealth of the elites since you can’t sell fuel to owners of solar panels, so they oppose it, regardless of the costs.
Too true, Steve. For years I have been advocating ganged bicycle delivery vehicles. Not that they’d be cheap, they need to be light and strong. But there are few things that can’t be delivered by four healthy individuals, so one creates jobs instead of burning fossil fuels. Same approach for the logging industry, although horses may play a bigger part. But selective logging is labour intensive and ecologically positive. Even the kid who shovels your walk or mows your lawn is better without a gas motor. Trains are basically trucks on dedicated roads, good for moving people and goods. The trucking industry is about to be destroyed by robots anyway; let’s get them on board as agents of change, not dismiss them as dinosaurs.
Britain still produces more than half of the oil it consumes. And that is the problem: having to pay for imports, not physics, not entropy. Of course, once you have something wrong, why not generalize it to the whole world? You make DS happy.
“You make DS happy.”
That happens when Doug thinks he gets it …
Now that made me laugh!
Doug has heard of thermo … I tried to give him some basics but, well, you’ve seen the result. Thermodynamics isn’t much help without kinetics.
The fundamental problem is everything that makes people feel superior to other people.
*the theory of relativity applies to a lot more than physics … imo.
Thank you. Well said.
Boris Johnson explains in the Telegram that Brexit means negotiating a closer relationship with the EU. This will involve keeping and strengthening all the good parts of the present association, while renouncing the parts that Britain doesn’t like. He doesn’t explain how Britain will obtain such fantastic negotiating leverage, but I assume he would achieve it by threatening to remain in the EU if all his demands are not met.
His act of furious back-pedaling shows he was caught totally by surprise by the Brexit vote. Sometimes you stir up populist sentiments to further your political ambitions, and then find yourself swept along by the tide. He appears to have had a sudden epiphany that he may be the prime-minister as Britain plunges into an economic depression, breaks up and is then purchased by Saudi Arabia as a summer retreat for their royal family.
Yes indeedy. As was David Cameron. A commenter in the Guardian captured this whole state of affairs quite well, and his/her analysis has has been making the rounds. If I knew where to find the original I’d cut and paste it here, but not knowing that, I’ll link to one of the many people who’ve retweeted a screenshot.
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Britain can check out of the EU anytime it likes, but it can never leave.
This is the 21st century, no nation is an island. The Uk already is a summer retreat for the Saudi royal family.
He’s plans to extricate high-paying jobs from the coils of Brussels tyranny by opening Trump golf courses all over the UK.
It seems like the 12th century.Feudalism,lords,masters and slaves.
The most coherent statement on what ails us that I have read.
I may hate Trump’s policies, I may shake my head at the outward motivations of Brexit supporters, but I do not think either of these groups are made up of bad or stupid people. They are rightfully pissed and only by directing their wreath at the true culprits will we have any hope of fixing this mess. Place the blame where it belongs, not at the little guys, but the elites who failed us and manipulated us.
We are reaping what they have sewn. May God have mercy on us all.
Excellent post Glenn!
Also, the US capitalist class’ illegal destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan and so many other countries must be examined beyond just the lies that were part of the marketing campaign for the aggression:
The US War against Iraq: The Destruction of a Civilization
http://www.lahaine.org/petras/b2-img/petras_iraq.pdf
ok. That could be a sister of the YINON PLAN
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=oded_yinon
It is the objective of sociopathic racist predator thieves to destroy “others” and reward supporters. That has never changed because there are to many cowardly people – or racist sympathisers – to make such behavior AMONG ELECTED PERSONS ONLY – illegal, punishable by $500,000 fine and 20 years to life in prison.
Glenn,
Sanders is no socialist. He is a fauxcialist (h/t to Connie Bryson), an unapologetic defender of imperialism.
There are no messiahs. If we spend our entire lives insisting on ideological purity you end up like the suitor who insists on the perfect spouse – unhappy, empty handed, and unfulfilled. Sanders is a highly imperfect vessel, but he sure as hell beats any offering we’ve had in my lifetime.
It’s moot anyway – Sanders is out and the war has moved on. I suggest we place our attentions elsewhere, rather than if Sanders was or wasn’t God’s gift to humanity.
you’re mistaken, Carl. The criticism is not that Sanders is imperfect. His record shows him to be a supporter of violence by the capitalist powers. He early on pledged to support Clinton, and vowed to not run an independent campaign. He repeatedly told interviewers that he was interested in creating high voter turnout. He helped Clinton push the email scandal off the front pages.
Sheepdog or Judas Goat… either way, he was there to serve as a fake-Messiah, to address the enthusiasm gap, to keep people in the tent of the pro-war Democratic party. Sanders wasn’t an offering. The Democratic and Republican politicians are representatives of big business and the capitalist class–making them the enemies of humanity. You’ve learned nothing in the last 7 years if you don’t get that.
Bernie Sanders confirms he will vote for Clinton
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/06/25/sand-j25.html
You really don’t understand anything, Carl.
Mideast war architects back Clinton over Trump
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/06/24/scow-j24.html
SECOND THAT
Wake up @Carl Weetabix.
Wallstreet hates DT, loves the hillary.
wake up carl.
hillary wants to bomb more, DT wants out of the bull.
hillary has a foreign policy, DT has an American Policy.
hillary is wallstreet’s missy frankenstein
Sanders is a relic of post ww2 BullShite.A head full of ziomush,where one people are more special than other people.
How many years did it take him to acknowledge the crimes against the Palestinians?70 years?
Yes,he is light years ahead of the Hillaryous one in most regards,I can throw him that.
Creating EU was for $. Getting out of EU is for $.
Cupidity must go.
How?
Where’s Freud when you need him.
Fabulous article!! Glenn also wrote the amazing article “The Seven Stages of Establishment Backlash” re (Bernie)Sanders/Corbyn which was excellent and very helpful as I watched the propaganda put forth by mainstream here about Bernie’s campaign.
I have seen other articles of his, and must look for them more frequently. Thank you, Mr. Greenwald!
Chris Hayes’s words which Greenwald praised are right on point. Too bad Hayes opted to become part the media elite he vilified by staying with MSNBC along with the rest of the sell-outs.
isnt that something
rachel maddow also took the plunge
If the left spent more time hanging it’s enemies than its friends for lack of purity, then we might have a chance of achieving Some actual progress. People by definition are imperfect, you well never find a representative of your (our) cause that you won’t disagree with or that when under a microscope fails you.
Granted many on the left have been more than a little flawed, but at some point you have to cut some slack otherwise you’ll be bobbing from so-called messiah to so-called messiah until your head falls off.
The answer in any case is not to see these people as enemies, but rather friends who need to be convinced. The alternative is to make them enemies and God knows we have enough of those already.
If you work for MSNBC/NBCUniversal/Comcast, you are not of the left. You are, rather, a capitalist tool.
Period.
As somebody who has talked to “both sides” I have seen these same talking points with the right. When I point out the flaws of Trump I get “Well at least he’s better than Hillary!” It’s so frustrating because it is so defeatist (and yet I am always the one who is accused of being the defeatist.) The idea that we MUST choose a candidate that we don’t like simply because the other one is slightly worst is really the ultimate surrender and submission to a system in which we must always and forever choose the lesser of two evils. These same arguments were made with Obama, by the way.
Sorry but I refuse to vote for anybody who supports any further war and intervention in the middle east and any other part of the world. Western aggression and global capitalism must end now. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you consider yourself to be on, this is the goal we should all unite on. Let the warmongers be the “other side.”
Trumps flaws are another’s ceiling.
Excellent, thoughtful comment.
MSNBC is worse than Fox,if that is possible.
I don’t ever leave comments on opinion pieces but this one compelled me to do so. As a remain voter I have spent the last few days in mourning. I don’t use that expression lightly either… There has been an atmosphere amongst fellow remain voters of loss, fear and frustration. I must admit I have branded leave voters as bigots and xenophobes (especially with the increasing rise in race fuelled violence on our streets.) The points made about a revolt such as this being a vehicle for positivity has buoyed me despite the fact that the country is leaning further right then ever before in my lifetime. If the left can mount a challenge then this decision may not be as catastrophic as I first feared.
My only discrepancy with the article however is that The EU was scapegoated in the referendum. We have been under austerity measures for over 5 years now and even chose it in the last general election. If the working classes (of which i am) had risen up and revolted at a conservative austerity government and rallied for change then, instead of now at an institution that, for it’s faults gives more than it takes, then we wouldn’t be in this mess.
I’m all for a revolt – but they’ve shot the wrong man.
I rise in defense of the maligned Neanderthals
Craig Summers should almost always be ignored, the exception being when Doc Hollywood transforms Craig’s spewings into an “edited” version that is a thing of delight and beauty. All set was I, therefore, to simply ignore Craig’s defamation of Neanderthal, because who cares what Craig thinks, right?
But then to my horror, Doc endorsed Craig’s libel. Listen to me people, goddam it:
That’s WaPo in 2014. There’s been more along those lines since then.
Henceforth, I expect all persons of good will to stop maligning our cousin, Neanderthal. His/her extinction was not “inevitable,” and why it happened remains subject to study. But whatever it was, it almost certainly was not due to being dumb compared with us hotshot Homo sapiens.
What has Neanderthals got to do with Brexit?
I am aware that all of us outside of Africa have some amount of Neanderthal DNA in varying degrees, but that is hardly any excuse for Brexit, is it?
This is all bullshit promoted by the elite in the EU to cover up the Europe’s first genocide. Neanderthal villages were pillaged, the women were raped and the men executed. Children were kept as child soldiers. Can these elite global capitalist go any lower?
Wasn’t that how victors have always celebrated? Why blame only those who eliminated the Neanderthals?
i get a real thrill – like good sex – when you shred summers hollywood etal.
The elite media is currently getting stuck into Corbyn for allegedly running a mediocre Labour In campaign. This is, in one sense, part of the self-seeking response. It’s also breathtakingly hypocritical when virtually 100% of the coverage they gave to the Remain campaign went to the official, Tory-dominated Remain group, which is the group that implored voters to trust what they were told by business leaders, the Bank of England, various elite think-tanks, and essentially tried to win the referendum with a campaign of fear. And it’s the group that, quite characteristically, ignored the people who feel betrayed by them.
Corbyn’s campaign struggled to resonate because anyone reading the national press or watching television news or listening to national radio would have barely heard of it, and wouldn’t have known what it’s key messages were, because those messages were carefully omitted from what little reporting of Labour’s campaign made it past the editors. The fact that the Parliamentary Labour Party is now staging a coup against the party’s leadership on the basis that Corbyn sent “mixed messages”, is a double irony. What the accusation boils down to is that Corbyn tried to engage with people who have been shat on by the EU in an honest way, by acknowledging they’ve been shat on and then arguing that this is a reason to fight in solidarity with other Europeans to get better outcomes from the EU, rather than walk away in the hope that we’ll be alright, because we won’t be. Thus the Remain campaigner who was least guilty of complacently ignoring the concerns and grievances of ordinary Brits, is the one having to fight for his job. This is hardly surprising when seen in the context of the Parliamentary Labour Party’s hatred of the leader and of the wider Labour movement that elected him by a landslide just seven months ago, but it’s pretty brazen. and it’s rather unfortunate given the opportunity which the current political instability would give to the Labour party, if the headlines weren’t all about the leadership challenge.
Corbyn said the words that the Zionists hate;Justice for Palestine.That is why they hate him.
:^)
Glenn, you were a hotshot lawyer. This is silly, and *you* should know better, forget about working class Britons.
Yes, execration of the working class is not the answer. But when the key promises that fueled many (at the very least, enough of) the leave voters’ decisions were simply thin air (you must know of Farage’s backtracking first on redirecting money to the NHS, and then on preserving this sacred public institutions existence in the first place), this is as much about flat out misinformation as the entrenched political elite controlling the media.
As has been pointed out, the Express, the Sun.. and the rest of the *actual* elite (symbolised and centered in Murdoch) fueled this vote with some of the most objectionable agitprop to hit the tabloids since Daily Mail’s nazi associations.
You took a line of argument that was a little too easy and not nearly critical enough, Glenn. If the average leave voter read more broadly than The Sun, it would be a different story. As it stands, England is worse off, and rampant racism is taking hold. http://gawker.com/instances-of-racism-and-xenophobia-documented-across-br-1782636905
I and many others expect more from someone who we adore.
Brilliant! Thank you! It is going around facebook!
I fully agree with this great column and have passed it on. However, it is directly contradictory to Robert Mackey’s columns on this issue. Why is Mackey writing for The Intercept instead the of corporate media?
Well, if a journalistic outfit can handle presenting contrasting views on a complex subject, that’s a good sign of journalistic balance – though Mackey’s arguments were much, much weaker than Greenwald’s, I think that’s pretty obvious.
The BBC also did a good job of being relatively impartial; but the Guardian was so blatantly biased it was ridiculous, particularly the George Soros op-ed the day before the vote.
I understand your point, but the corporate point of view (Mackey’s) is well-represented in MSM; in fact, it’s the only point of view there. Why should The Intercept give voice to that kind of crap? If you want to know what corporate America thinks, there are plenty of other sources. We are constantly inundated with corporate propaganda whenever we step out the door, I’d really rather not have to put up with even more of it here.
Mackey’s is not the “corporate” view of Brexit. Are you truly unaware that decent people on the left were divided on Brexit? Are you ignorant that the Scottish and Irish left, people of color, and migrants in Britain overwhelmingly voted Remain?
It also seems to have been lost on you that Greenwald does not actually endorse Brexit, or indicate what his ultimate position — yes or no — on that vote was or is. In fact, he’s never said — and may be as ambivalent as many of us are.
Mackey’s view certainly is the corporate view. You seem to be unaware that corporate America has two sides: Democrats and Republicans, aka liberal corporate America and conservative corporate America. Mackey’s views are those of liberal corporate America and can be found all over the corporate media.
As to positions, I didn’t state my position either and you wrongly assumed that I supported leaving. I was neutral on this issue, leaning toward remaining. But unlike you, I understand that this is a very complicated issue for the reasons stated in Glen’s column, not just a fight between racists and people of color & their allies.
You can continue asserting that, but it’s not so, and you offer no reasoning why it should be believed.
As it happens I did, but that was not implied in anything I wrote. What I did write and imply remains true.
The Scots dislike English nationalism as much as the English dislike Scottish nationalism.:)
Thanks to Mackey for exposing to us other perceptions. If it weren’t for persons like himself then perhaps many of us would be responding in the dark. How good is that? I see him as a person who shines the light for us.
I also found Mackey’s view indistinguishable from establishment propaganda.
So did I, and some of the usual cheerleaders were tied up in knots when Greenwald’s piece was published and started to behave rudely when it was pointed out to them.
All organizations should encourage diverse and independent views, so it’s nice that Mackey does have the license to pen his convictions, and we hope he carries on in this vein. It’s good to see some people like Mackey are not blinkered by Greenwald’s presence as many commenters here are.
i get the feeling that Mackey is a double agent and in our corner – letting us know what the other side is up to. And if he isn’t, i have enough non-evidence to pretend he is.
Mackey is the anti GG,the establishment voice in the Intercept.A propagandist,and definitely MSMistic,he could write for WAPO,the Graun,or the NYTimes,to name 3 of the worst propagandists going.
“I also found Mackey’s view indistinguishable from establishment propaganda.”
Perhaps you should change goggles…
Mackey’s “view” is not generally represented in his pieces.
He provides information and lets the reader take it from there.
Glenn offers an opinion, explains why he thinks in that way, and the citations enforce his position.
Mackey does not do that.
BRexit, under all the reasons and rationale, a predictable and worthy action of one’s root need for command and control of one’s “own” life support. A longer chain of dependencies will not satify that need, nor will diluted or non-existent votability.
In the hierarchy of dependency, there is a group who saw the most powerful positions that could most of all guarantee that same need for life support – and now, since 1913 (US), they have been the “owners” of the currencies of the planet and print as they desire, issue credit as they desire, declare values as they desire. Their goal is to own all resources, trade and pricing power on the planet. ie- GS mining bank?
BRexit was a rollback on that proposition to “just trust them”. Having robbed America of homes and values, defrauded investors on a planetary scale, lied to everyone, falsified bond ratings, and run a derivative ponzi scheme to the tune of SEVENTY TRILLION DOLLARS….
Who do you want owning your currency?
Oh please Glenn. You are attributing poor leavers a level of knowledge of what they are doing that they don’t deserve. They wouldn’t have known the EU from their elbow. They were played like so many violins by newspapers like The Sun, The Mail and The Express.
[ Ian Jack’s article was headlined “In this Brexit vote, the poor turned on an elite who ignored them,”]
Their out vote wasn’t a kick in the teeth of the elite. They just voted away any protections the EU gave them and voted for a home grown elite instead. I’ve got no money but voted to stay, but then I do have a brain.
And the Remainers were played by the Guardian, etc.
Divide and conquer is what the elite do, even in this volatile situation.
You calling Leavers stupid is as asinine as Leavers calling Remainers stupid.
In the US we have the Democrats calling Republicans stupid, and Republicans calling Democrats stupid.
Meanwhile the elite sits back and laughs.
Truth is, anyone who falls for such a hate-circus on either side has been manipulated, not because they are lacking in intelligence (necessarily), but because the elite are very good at psychological coercion.
Punching ‘up’ (that is, fighting against the machine, the endemic corruption of the establishment as a whole), instead of down or horizontally, is what needs to be done – for if everyday folk are fighting only each other, the elite gets to keep on oppressing and impoverishing the downtrodden and ostracized everywhere (which in turn produces more apathy and extremism).
It is the interests of those who are looting and destroying this planet that we fight and not find common ground to rise up and defeat them. A trivial sense of being ‘right’ and superior to ‘stupid people’ is rank egotism of the most despicable kind, only entrenching dog-whistle/wedge issue divisions that don’t challenge the corporate/state elite one bit, and such vile hubris serves corruption far more than even those who are oblivious to the political world entirely.
Actually,in America,democrats and republicans are calling both parties stupid,that’s why we back Trump.
You neglected to tell us who owns your brain.
“The solution is not to subserviently cling to corrupt elite institutions out of fear of the alternatives. It is, instead, to help bury those institutions and their elite mavens and then fight for superior replacements.”
Agreed. In fact, I fully agree with this column. However, the question is, by what would the institutions be replaced? What we need is a MAJOR evolution in human consciousness. This evolution would provide institutions that promote 1) much lower human population by highly educating all girls and women and giving them power over these choices, and 2) a non-materialistic and much less egotistic attitude that would result in much lower individual consumption and the end of obsession on living unnaturally long lives.
Anything less does not solve the problems.
Ultimately we are going to need a resource-based economy, one that transcends politics. Visionary ideas like The Venus Project come to mind.
Transitioning to such would require widespread acceptance of ‘Green’ policies, which in turn requires a compassionate and dynamic revitalization of those common-sense ideas in such a way that the elite can’t easily get at least half the people to resist it just by calling it Utopia-wishing or tree-hugging socialism.
While the Venus Project’s ideas would create a substantially better society than the one we have now, this doesn’t go anywhere near far enough. Considering other forms of life to be resources is immoral and wrong. They are living beings and, along with the land, air, and water, are as much Earthlings as we are.
Of course it’s much better to use the least harmful technologies like solar instead of using fossil fuels. But we have to get over this childish idea that we can have our cake and eat it too. All technology causes at least some environmental and ecological harm; even solar panels require mining.
The root causes of all environmental and ecological problems are overpopulation and overconsumption. So, we need to greatly lower our population and consumption, the latter by living a lot more simply and naturally. All other solutions would be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic if population and individual consumption are not reduced.
Modern humans need to learn a lot from traditional indigenous people. Our societies should NOT be resource-based, they should be based on expanding our consciousness, and on treating the Earth and all of its inhabitants well. Other species need to be treated with just as much respect as other humans and should not be killed except to eat them. The land, air, water, and sky should never be polluted or otherwise degraded. Etc. Solutions like the Venus Project are tinkering around the edges compared to what needs to be done.
I’m not sure you know the propositions of The Venus Project. If you have time sometime, please watch the documentary at the link above, which is an hour and a half long and requires focused attention (and watching in its entirety). It’s an entirely new and scientific approach to abundance for all, and I assure you its radical nature comprehensively answers any concerns about the environment.
It’s about going beyond money, and acting as a united Earth – transcending politics, which is (as is explained) not the solution to the technical problems we face now.
As a vegan myself, I’m impressed with it, and I don’t know where your concern that it has it in for animals comes from. The horrible abuse of animals through chemistry to advance business success is shown as wrong in no uncertain terms, for example, and at the Project’s center is the use of technology for good instead of for destruction, consumerism and corporate greed – and I’m sure that would include advances in nutrition.
There’s nothing inhumane about it. It’s really quite visionary, and would indeed take a worldwide expansion of consciousness to realize, and a peaceful transition into it, for humanity is on the whole quite numbed mentally by its self-competitive delusions in a technologically-unnecessary conviction of scarcity.
I never used the word animals nor did I imply anything about animal rights. In fact, the only issue on which I agree with animal rights is that animals should not be tortured in labs, no exceptions.
I realize that this is a leftist website, not an environmental one, so maybe I should have explained better. But I expect readers here — this is by far the best blog I’ve seen in that it has relatively intelligent comments and not many personal attacks — to understand what “species” means, and it does not mean animals. I also explicitly mentioned land, air, water, and sky.
Your response, which just promotes this project, did not address one of the issues that I raised. Instead, it proved what I said: you think there is some magical technological solution that would allow you to have your cake and eat it too, like some fantasy Star Trek society. A “new … scientific approach” will not provide a magical solution. Unfortunately, you are in the majority (among those of us who even recognize that there’s a problem) in this regard, unfortunately. I think it’s because modern humans are so grossly spoiled by reaping the benefits of global environmental destruction without suffering any consequences that they think they can just continue to destroy the Earth and its ecosystems and species without any repercussions and, like a spoiled child, they just demand that science and government magically fix things and fantasize that they can do so.
I mean, sure, get rid of money, nation-states, etc., and replace solar panels with fossil fuels, we agree on that. But the problems are overpopulation and overconsumption. I looked at the project’s website and I saw nothing addressing those fundamental issues. And again, the whole idea of considering other Earthlings — whether plants, animals, the land, air, water, or sky — as “resources” instead of other life that is to be respected and with which we need to share our planet is totally immoral in my world view.
Oops! I obviously meant, “replace fossil fuels with solar panels,” not the other way around.
I tried to respond to the issues you raised by saying that the documentary answers your concerns. I honestly think it does. Incidentally, it talks not only of solar but also wind, geothermal and tidal energy as energy sources, and all with an emphasis on sustainability.
But obviously you’re not impressed by what you saw; I appreciate your giving the website a brief look, anyway. And thanks to the back-and-forth here I’ve been able to explain a bit more about it for any other readers who might find it interesting.
I confess openly to not understanding the ‘species’ thing, as I mentioned how beneficial the Project is for the environment. I can’t summarize all of it in a post, and didn’t realize you expected me to. It’s unfortunate that you think the solutions are so ‘Star Trek,’ when much of it is quite evidently possible right now, in a technical sense – if politics and money were not so in the way.
My mention of this was in response to your query: “However, the question is, by what would the institutions be replaced?” I suggested something, you rejected it, and that’s fine. I didn’t get that you were regarding all of the Earth, even minerals and sky etc., the unique way you do (as ‘Earthlings), basically because I’ve never heard that said before – is it shamanism?.
My attitude toward life is not any -ism. It’s just the way I inherently feel, which is supported by the traditional Native Americans I’ve been fortunate to discuss this with and learn from.
That’s where my misunderstanding lies, then. I thought you were being *poetic* by describing the sky and water and minerals and so forth as actual living beings – I had absolutely no idea you meant it literally.
No disrespect of your (or Native American) beliefs was intended in my suggestion nor in any of my comments. May you find peace on your path.
Venus Project;Sounds like a recipe for Global warming,as that’s what they say we’ll turn into.
Revolts against corrupt elite institutions can usher in reform and progress, but they can also create a space for the ugliest tribal impulses: xenophobia, authoritarianism, racism, fascism. One sees all of that, both good and bad, manifesting in the anti-establishment movements throughout the U.S., Europe, and the U.K. — including Brexit.
Sadly, the ugly ( and scary ) side is showing up right now…..
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075
sure. at the finish line, there lies huffpost to rescue us from our contrary views by believing those who have deceived us for so long that we suddenly believe we cannot be deceived so says they deceivers.
What do the real right to life for the living really want? Certainly not a contrived currency like the EURO aka PROXY USD.
I thought, this might interest you!
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/brexit-and-the-diseased-liberal-mind/
The post lightly [edited] for accuracy:
This is just (more) [of my usual made-up counter-factual] propaganda [so dumb it would it make] Neanderthals [blush].
Globalization gained tremendous momentum during the European colonial period which continues today[; can someone please unwrap that sentence for me?] There has NEVER [uh oh; my *CAPS* key got sticky again. Get ready – it’s coming!:] been any guarantee of “economic security” in any civilization [okay, sorry: I got prematurely excited] – and it is simplistic to suggest that free trade and neoliberal policies are responsible for the disparities that exist in the west (or the world) today without recognizing our high standard of living [ – and that was limp].
Sure there is inequality, but [that’s not the issue. What’s so alarming to those who aren’t ignorant psychopaths is that after about 3 decades of diminishing inequality and increasing middle-class prosperity beginning shortly after World War II, the trend was reversed and is now accelerating with varying degrees of detrimental effects upon the lives and futures of the great majority of people]
But when have things ever [not been misunderstood by me]? I must have missed most [ – or more likely: all -] of my history[, math, sciences, social studies, and logic] classes. [As a consequence, I just blurt-out random sh!t:] Global elites have always ruled the “peasants” whether in the Roman Empire, the Islamic Empire or under the auspices of the great Genghis Khan (etc.). [Yeah, those who aren’t ignorant psychopaths don’t want a return to any of those either.
Let me provide another example of a badly confused claim:] The rise of the west was due to industrialization, globalization and capitalism even if it rode the backs of cheap (slave) labor. [Western domination of the world came about with the confluence of many diverse variables including progressively concentrated hierarchal power structures leading to nation-states that could project violence more effectively than tribal and clan-based cultures and a fortuitous distribution of resources combined with ideologies of conquest, colonization, and – particularly in the case of the US – enslavement (of the Africans) and outright extermination (of the Western hemisphere’s indigenous populations).
But here’s the part where I am utterly clueless: absolutely essential to industrialization was protectionism. Neoliberal elites claim rich countries got that way by removing trade barriers, and rubes like me parrot what they say without realizing that nothing could be further from the truth. The industrial revolution was built on protectionism. England, for example, banned cotton cloth from India and woolens from Ireland in the early 18th century and imposed large tariffs on most manufactured goods.
The US followed suit with the erection of trade barriers and tariffs, at first against the importation of superior textiles and other manufactured goods from Britain and then later expanded so that nascent domestic US industries could develop. The US imposed onerous taxes upon manufactured imports which rose to as high as 50%. Between the mid-1800’s and the early-1900’s, it was the most heavily trade-protected nation on earth, and the fastest-growing. It wasn’t until after World War II, when it possessed about one-half of the world’s wealth, that the US dropped most of its tariffs. The same strategy for development was followed by Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and every other “rich” country. It was only after they had well-developed economies that the US and Britain embraced so-called “free-trade,” demanding much weaker developing countries leave themselves vulnerable to western exploitation.] So why overhaul something that has worked so well?
Globalization and neoliberal policies have [kept billions in poverty and oppression – as in Latin America – or worse – as in Africa. The imposition of neoliberal policies prevents other countries from following the model of the US, Britain, and developed nations to develop their own economies.
I like to mention China as a great example of the success of neoliberalism because I have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about.] There is no denying that. [China rejected neoliberal demands for austerity and open markets and instead used massive state intervention and control to direct foreign investment and the domestic economy; that is why it is successful.]
Manufacturing jobs shipped overseas by the greedy “corporatists” were jobs lost in the west, but gained in the third world reducing the massive disparity between the west and the third world. This was as inevitable as it is a positive result of capitalism [which again illustrates my ignorance: Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations predicted the opposite influence from the “invisible hand” of “the home bias,” showing how little I know about even the most basic aspects of capitalist theory].
[Y]ou are [usually] right and [I am almost always] 100% wrong. I am not convinced that all that much [can ever] change[, not that – given what a bullish!ting ignoramus I am – anyone cares what I think. And I would] likely be just as [confused] as [I am every ]day because [I say stupid stuff like,] idealism requires conformity (like unions)[; like wtf does that even mean?]
[Applause]
With a heavy heart that is nearly broken, I had to smack Doc around for his gross and obscene error which I could not allow to stand. It destroyed what should have been a pleasurable experience for me, and I plan to sue.
Thanks to all for the kind compliments.
And I apologize for slighting the Neatherthals; they appear to have been large and powerful hominids, and their brains were – relative to body size and in absolute terms – possibly larger than those of modern day Homo sapiens.
I admit that they probably wouldn’t have blushed at CraigSummers comments: they would have more likely just pounded him into the ground.
Yes,that figures,a Zionist reacharound.
Islamic empire,the great Genghis Khan,the wonders of neoliberal globalization,the America built by slave labor.
All Ziomyths.
Who was the emperor of the Islamic Empire?
Yes,slaves worked in the cotton and tobacco fields,and helped make the South economically productive,but the North was free labor,and made the north an economic powerhouse,built the infrastructure and buildings,and helped usher in unions.
And its not in Americas interest to help other countries become the place where all our widgets are made,as it kills US,and yes,it might float their boats,but it sinks ours.
Divide and conquer nonsense.
@ Doc Hollywood
Now that one was a thing of beauty. Bravo!
Between you and Benito, I don’t know of anybody around the interwebs that does better deft takedowns of “teh stupid” than you two do.
globalisation is no more inevitable than is robbery by the allowance of sociopaths with guns or wallstreeters printing currency to buy their way out of an offence against the people
All events are the functions of the objects that commit them. There are good versions and bad versions. The EURO IS A BAD VERSION.
have a nice day. “nice” – the good version of nice
Nice exposition of the role of ‘protectionism’ in the development of American industrialization, the free market NAFTA/TPP-promoting ideologues hate to be reminded of that!
When US manufacturing moved south, Mexico got sweatshops in place of its agriculture. DocHollywood is a cunning feller, turns an atrocity into a prize for us thirdworlders, and wants us to be grateful for it too.
Yes.It seemed to slip right past the applause.
Oh, that’s craigsummers, not DocHollywood, who said that. DocHollywood is parodying craigsummers.
Also, when U.S. agribusiness dumped cheap corn on the Mexican market, it drove small farmers out of business and off their land (to provide labor for the sweatshops, as well as cheap immigrant labor for U.S. agribusiness).
The elites seem to have lost track of what democracy is for. They try to make the best possible choices (according to their values) and get the populace to accept them.
But true democracy is making the choices best aligned with the wishes of the population. The choices may be far from best, but they can be implemented wholeheartedly at every level of society, and this not only improves execution but also binds society ever tighter together.
A simply great resoning!
https://twitter.com/Paul_Bettany/status/746374626369019904
There’s something to this but as with pretty much all of the analysis around Brexit and Trumpism, we’re missing the main factor.
This is the inexorable death of white supremacy, nothing more or less.
White male hegemony on power is in decline and is further weakened every day. The notion of Caucasian being the standard bearer for the races and as such, getting to reap most of the benefits, is under assault. Here in America, white males had to watch a man named BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA wipe the floor with a military hero and a businessman, two icons of white male virility. Now a woman (!) is poised to win over another one.
This is the deep motivating factor behind the anger. As such, there is no rational solution to these problems as the main factor is not rational, but a cancer of the mind. There is no reasoning with people motivated by this as they blame other races for their issues before they blame “the elites”. There is no benefit to engaging with them as logic and reason won’t work. The guttural emotions that drive racism, xenophobia and tribalism have now been met with a “backs against the wall” victimhood mentality.
As such there is no pretty nor neat end to this. There is a reversion to the mean coming for mankind and many who will be on wrong end of that paradigm shift are going to be very noisy for quite some time.
Unless the elitist bankers are charged, tried and convicted of grand theft planet, which they are very likely guilty of, which i could prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Here is an example of their modern barbarism – printing money to match their conjecture of a future value to raise prices to precipitate loans to collect interest and cause a greater separation between those in debt and those who own.
Would you like to see an even great scam these thieves are perpping on the public? Hint… stocks and valuations… very provable. later for that.
want another? IT’S A DOOZIE.
Just remember, Jesus himself turned the tables on these monsters.
Sorry, wealth inequality is a much greater issue than racial inequality.
The NAACP-type groups who back Clinton seem to think that ‘civil rights’ will be done when the racial makeup of the elite 1% is a mirror of the racial makeup of the bottom 99%; so once the elite class is 13% black and 17% Latino, they can declare victory.
That’s ludicrous, when the middle class is being destroyed, for all racial groups, although minority homeownership has been hit hardest by the Obama-Bush bailout of Wall Street – curious, isn’t it, that the black president sold so many middle class black and latino homeowners with adjustable rate mortgages down the river to preserve Wall Street profits? There’s no argument that he did exactly that, just look up the numbers on minority homeownership from 2006-2010.
The rising poverty among white middle-class workers (including higher rates of addiction, and shorter life expectancy) is what Trump has tapped into, not white discontent over seeing minorities enter the elite class in larger numbers. Of course, they are being taken for a ride, I believe; Trump is merely using that anger to gain political support, he has no realistic plan to help out the middle class (look at his cut in taxes for the wealthiest, etc.).
So no, this isn’t about ‘white supremacy’ – it’s about the effort to replace democracy with plutocracy, aka ‘elite supremacy’, aka the creation of a new aristocracy to rule over the serfs, which is precisely what the American Revolution sought to overcome:
https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/214.html
Right again. (I’m getting tired of saying this about your posts; cut it out!). The issue you raised is the result of the idiotic identity politics promoted by the liberal end of corporate America and bought into by liberals and tepid progressives. For example, I’ve heard and read many women saying they were going to vote for Clinton over Sanders because she’s a woman. Really?! Would they also vote for Sarah Palin or Margaret Thatcher? Sheesh, what idiocy! Identity politics only works when all else is equal. In other words, support the Native American or Black woman over a white man if they have the same policies and ideologies. But otherwise you vote based on the latter, not identity politics.
@ photosymbiosis & JeffD
I’d agree those are both valid, and largely accurate, observations of the present situation we are facing not just in America but over most of the globe.
Present neoliberal economic policies and ideology are not responsible for every single problem in our societies, but it is the one the drives and perpetuates most of them. Some folks simply have an unreasoning fear of “the other” that has nothing to do with economics or being in competition with “the other” for scarce resources, jobs and opportunities. But they are a relatively small minority of human beings in any population.
And I’d wager and be almost willing to guarantee that most of that unreasoning fear would dissipate quickly in societies where everyone had a fair if not guaranteed opportunity to provide for their families with dignity and respect–economically speaking. We wouldn’t all necessarily like each other under all circumstances, but I’d wager we’d all get along just fine and be 100% more likely to see past our minor differences re: culture, religion, relative melanin content of our skin, gender, sexual orientation, language, customs et al if we weren’t all pitted against each other in some global capitalist zero-sum dystopia of over-consumption.
We definitely need a global evolution of consciousness to take back our lives, politics and societies from the whims of the neoliberal con artists.
“…….Present neoliberal economic policies and ideology are not responsible for every single problem in our societies, but it is the one the drives and perpetuates most of them. Some folks simply have an unreasoning fear of “the other” that has nothing to do with economics or being in competition with “the other” for scarce resources, jobs and opportunities……”
What is the other that I fear so much?
“……And I’d wager and be almost willing to guarantee that most of that unreasoning fear would dissipate quickly in societies where everyone had a fair if not guaranteed opportunity to provide for their families with dignity and respect–economically speaking…….”
A fair opportunity seems reasonable, but a guaranteed opportunity? What exactly do you mean by that, and how do you plan to accomplish this?
keep talking – i hope your perspective can scare the summers, hollywoods and moneychangers off our planet. Obviously they fear you or they would not reply. Perhaps i will bring out my BOGEN 50,000 WATT AMPLIFIER.
Yes,its funny the lack of respect the MSM gave Palin as a woman candidate.She even was Israeli centric,and they still wouldn’t give her any kudos.
And guess what,despite her lack of awareness,I’d vote for her over the HB any day any wway,because Palin,although a conservative dinosaur,at least cared for America and Americans.
I see nothing from the nelibcon traitor HB re patriotism and America.
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is a house n—er, a Tom. Both he and his wife were corporate lawyers and he is as big an Oreo as I have ever seen. He sure has not helped “his people” much. Hillary, the woman will do about as well for women as BHO did for blacks. The first “black” POTUS Clinton was big on jailing them and cutting welfare. Indira Gandhi, A PM of Pakistan and the current PM and leader of the opposition in Bangladesh are both women and millions of their women people toil in sweatshops for the elites and go home with the foreman. Bernie Sanders is old and white and Jewish and he would have done more for Women and Black people than Tom or Shillary. Prejudice sucks man and you got it.
@ Bob
Probably not the best way to try to advance a proposition by referring to an individual as “a house n—er, a Tom” or an “Oreo”. Not to mention the bigoted tenor of that sort of language will turn off almost everyone. So maybe you’d consider knocking it off if you’re actually interested in having anybody consider said proposition(s) in the future.
@rrheard-
okay, just lost massive amounts of respect for you for going all tone-police on the bobber…
(but then again, I find far too many interceptors abandon logic and reason and are subject to the rot of identity politics and made-up crimes against humanity when someone is DESERVEDLY mocked as -say- an uncle tom, etc…)
in fact, i’ll add a few more: sociopath, war criminal, con man, shitheel, festering pus bag of lies, et cetera…
shit, oreo is the LEAST of what that quisling POS should be called…
(without a doubt, many/most are unaware of the context of how obomber SHOULD be judged, and thus are ‘shocked’ by ne’er’-do-wells calling him ‘names’ which he meta-physically DESERVES, but is shielded from by the fawning of the korporate media whores who give him -and ALL- politicians deference and respect THEY DO NOT DESERVE…
what they ‘deserve’, is a necklacing…
@ art guerrilla
Sorry you lost respect for me. I’m all for mocking folks and I’m not big on civility. But I think all the terms you used i.e. “sociopath, war criminal, con man, etcetera etcetera . . . .” are just fine.
I don’t think referring to a black man as an “uncle Tom”, “house n—gger”, or “oreo” is appropriate and never will. In fact I think, given their historical use and meaning and the object of those insults, it is fucking racist bullshit.
Sorry if that makes me lesser in your mind. So I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
And here’s fair warning, if someone ever uses those terms to my face, or that of my family and friends who are AA, we are going to have a big fat problem–you’ll get a polite warning, once, why it is wrong and hurtful. Do it a second time and our interactions will become unpredictable at best.
> I don’t think referring to a black man as an “uncle Tom”, “house n—gger”, or “oreo” is appropriate
Cornel West Attacks Al Sharpton: ‘Bonafide House Negro of the Obama Plantation’
Words have meaning.I don’t agree with oreo,it is racial,but the others are apt descriptions of the black and minorities that toe the line for Zion,like BO,and were originally critiques from fellow blacks.
Your horse is the highest I’ve seen on the web.
@ dahoit and ether
Fuck off you fucking bigot! How’s that for “high horse”?
Now if Bob wants to definitively establish his “racial” identity I might be willing to reconsider or retract my advice.
But absent that if fucking bigots don’t understand why certain people, in this case African Americans, are entitled (or at least it’s more permissible and understandable, although I’d argue counterproductive in some respects) to use certain words and phrases in describing other members of their “race” while it is not defensible, for say “whites” to do so as well, then it simply means you are stupid and don’t understand what racism really is and how it is perpetuated.
So again, feel free to fuck off because we’ve got nothing to say to each other.
“Fuck off you fucking bigot! … it simply means you are stupid”
bullshit. that right there is the payoff. you get to feel superior. it has nothing to do with respecting blacks. if anything it’s the opposite. if the words are wrong for whites they must be wrong for blacks. that’s not bigotry that’s insisting on equality. that’s respect
Harry Belafonte won’t back down from Colin Powell house slave reference
Absolute horse hockey,as if the white male or female wanted them,they would have won.Many whites voted for Obomba both times,as the other choice was worse,that’s all.
McCain even had a white woman as VP,and that was rejected handily.
In the rest of this world,is their any nation with a Constitution,created by white men btw,as inclusive and color blind as ours,at least since 1865?(Constitution,not corrupt men)
Obomba won election on the mantra of change,and it seems his heart is a black as any white man,stop the stupid racial crap of divide and conquer.
The idea that the UK media were ‘vehemently’ against us leaving the EU is beyond a joke.
I’ve been reading some theories online by people who think the UK is using Brexit to blackmail the EU. Britain has been the most pro-Zionists country in the EU and so this may just be a warning shot. If this theory is true then the UK will try to renegotiate back into the EU with a “better deal” that will give them more power and leverage to pursue the American/Zionists agenda and hand more power over the transnational corporations and stop all sanctions against Israel.
I’m always suspicious when things seem to go “our way.” The globalists would never let the plebs get one on them, especially not through a democratic means. Something smells fishy.
Pretty much that is how wallstreet bankster rothschild thieves operate.
I dont believe that theory is correct unless it can be show that the persons initiating the break were, at the top, wallstreet type zionists.
It is true that the zionistas have moved into public territory like PBS and BBC and that is rather disturbing considering the zionist allies like Diane Feinstein oppose the US Constitution Freedom of Speech and Press and go all Erdogan on things as if she were Queen Bloody Mary.
In any case, the zionistas will twist any public effort to their advantage, even going so far to say “You were duped” in an effort to get a rollback.
Personally, i believe the BRexit favor goes against them and exposes them for the thieves and fraudsters they are.
Zionists don’t run the world; the real issue in Britain is the relation between London banksters and Qatari gas and Saudi oil interests.
A related major factor in the destabilization of the EU was the rush to seize control of Libyan oil that the British and French elites (along with Obama and Clinton) mucked up so badly, leading to the refugee flood and the spread of ISIS into Libya and Europe.
See this Clinton email, it’s discussed in this article and there’s a link to it at wikileaks here:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/wikileaks-hillary-clinton-helped-topple-gadhafi-france-uk-fought-libyas-oil/215104/
Libya is now probably the biggest transit point into Europe for all the refugees from the Libya disaster (as well as many others suffering from warfare and climate change across the sub-Sahara region); those hundreds of thousands of refugees clearly contributed to some of the support for the Brexit vote – Cameron burned his own house down, in other words, via his reckless greedy actions.
Google this, and you’ll get a host of articles on Britain’s relationships with the Gulf Arabs, which are far more central to the issue than any UK-Israeli sideshow:
Cameron Qatar gas
You should also look into the massive flow of Saudi oil wealth into the London real estate market, and the way that gas-powered electricity and heating and fuel prices for working Britons have been jacked up by the investor-owned utilities, such as E.ON and Centrica. Both of those factors contributed to rising wealth inequality which fed into the anger behind the Brexit vote.
If Cameron is a tool (well, he is), he’s a tool of the Gulf Arabs and the London banksters, not so much a tool of the Zionists.
speaking of hillary and oil
she sure helped her “friends” to get their hands on PEMEX
hillary, the queen of con
Being a tool of the London banksters and a tool of the Zionists amounts to the same thing, because all politicians in the U.S. and U.K. pay homage to anything Israeli. When Israel says, “Jump!” they say, “how high?” The reason is not their love of Israel or Zionism, but because they can use Israel as a client state for their oil and pipeline interests, which is what Israel was created for in the first place, despite the pretext of giving European Jews a safe place to live (they should have been given a piece of Germany, not given Palestine).
I see your point . . . and it does help explain the friendliness between the Saudi Royals and the Zionists.
and on this:
“They should have been given a piece of Germany, not given Palestine”
I was very happy to see synagogues reopening in East Germany post-Berlin Wall – a nice way to show the Nazis that despite the Holocaust, they had failed in their goal – but the Israeli government never took any action to support them, not even sending official representatives to their opening ceremonies. . . I suppose your comment explains why that is? After all, if Jews can return to Europe and re-establish themselves, despite the Holocaust, it raises the question, “who really needs a Jewish state, anyway?”
“a piece of Germany”
Great idea! Where could European Jews have felt safe, if not Germany?
@ Gator90
Do you think Israelis feel safe now? According to them they are always unsafe thus their constant overreaction to Palestinian provocations or resistance?
There are approximately 14 million adherents of the Jewish faith scattered all over the globe although primarily in Israel and America. 8 million or so in Israel and 5 million in America. Who do you think has the fairer claim to “feeling safe”, America Jews or Israeli Jews?
People have accused me of various things, but I’m never going to understand why America couldn’t easily assimilate the 8 million citizens of Israel, protect their rights and freedoms quite adequately, and solve one of the greatest problems to vex the human condition in the last 100 years. But it would require convincing roughly 15 million people that they do not have a religious entitlement to some speck of shitty land in the middle of nowhere.
Until that happens, and whether Israel continues to be a viable nation into perpetuity, I’d argue Jews will never “feel safe” despite the state of Israel unless and until they emigrate to America and become American citizens.
Further, my take is nobody feels safe unless they choose to feel that way wherever they live. Statistically speaking, except in failed states (or narco states) and those presently engaged in wars of whatever type, all people all over the globe are as statistically as “safe” as they’ve ever been.
I’d be all for the voluntary resettlement of all Israeli Jews in the US, if they could be so persuaded.
After the Holocaust, though, mass Jewish emigration to the US wasn’t an option in any event. Anerica didn’t want them.
As for a “piece of Germany,” I do think it is remarkably glib and unfeeling to suggest, in apparent seriousness, that the right place for European Jews post-WW2 was the very place that had just authored the extermination of millions of European Jews.
@ Gator90
Fair enough. But I think the argument he/she was making in saying “giving a piece of Germany” was to create a Jewish nation state on lands of the former Germany that would have been ceded to them by the allies and protected by same after Germany was utterly destroyed.
Would creating a nation-state for Jewish people that way have been insensitive, glib or unfeeling as well as opposed to carving up Palestinian lands and giving that to Jewish people as their “homeland” based on some very dubious religious and historical claims?
Out of curiosity, which do you think would have worked out better for the world: the allies carving out part of the defeated Germany, and give NATO protection/membership to this new state, and by assisting in resettling and rebuilding a nation for Jewish people there (where most were from i.e. Europe) as part of the Marshall Plan; or, creating the state of Israel right where it is?
My sense is the former, because the latter is demonstrably been a failure for almost everybody.
I didn’t mean the entire country of Germany. Just enough that they fit comfortably, with good land for growing food, etc.
Well RR, if post-WW2 European Jewry had been given a choice between Palestine and Germany, and those were the only options, and I had a time machine, I surely would beg them to consider Germany.
But then, if I had a time machine….
Fully one quarter of my family — my father’s father’s side — was killed by the Nazis (they were in Budapest). There is nothing glib or unfeeling about my comment. Giving the European Jews a piece of Germany would not only allowed them to stay in their home continent, it would have also given Germany a just punishment for what it did.
Your comment, on the other hand, is totally unfeeling regarding Palestinians. You want to explain what they did to have their land and homes stolen, be forced out of their country, then be treated like less than human by Israel?
They didn’t have a home continent. That was the problem.
But with that said, see my response to RR above.
It would have been their own country, complete with military and police. Get a clue.
Do they feel safe in Palestine?Why does this unsafety follow them around?
We know its all our fault(non Jews),right?
We know its all our fault(non Jews),right?
I’ve known Gator as a commenter for years. In all that time I’ve never heard him imply any such thing.
Absurd,the Saudis,America and Europe all bow to Zion,so if Cameron is a tool of them,he is of the Zionists.
Love your nails?
“Hey Bro – Cuz says she doesn’t like the deal.”
“Oh yeah?” “Siri – what do you think?”
“Well sir, I’d take them out from the bottom up. Then send them to the back of the line.”
You can bet the house the Zionists will enumerate every problem in GB leaving the EU daily,in an attack on Trump and his nationalism.
They only approve of their own nationalism,all others are an impediment.
Is there a list of these “elites” somewhere? I’d like to know if I know any.
Thank you!
Pretty weak sauce, Glenn. Don’t even have any figures or data here to back up these assertions. Exit polls, anyone? “Leave” voters came from across the income and social status spectrum. What they shared in common were three things: age (over 35), residence (rural), and nationality (English and Welsh). Scots and Northern Irish voted overwhelmingly to “Remain”. Are you seriously trying to argue that the Scots and Northern Irish are the UK’s elite? That everyone in London under the age of 35 is running things behind the curtain at the EU? Sorry dude, but mere anti-globalization polemics don’t count as analysis. Up your game or else stop pretending to be a journalist.
Boy, Craig, with all the beating you take here, you remind me of that black knight from a Python movie:
http://youtu.be/zKhEw7nD9C4
Hi Sufi
Monty Python had some great skits – and that was one of the better ones. It really isn’t as bad as you think for me posting here. The reactions I get are pretty good – like this one from Pedinska today:
“……Fuck you and the Horse of Privilege you rode in on. You and your elitist compatriots are too stupid to even fool the cheap (slave) labor anymore. You have decided that even the few crumbs tossed our way post-WWII are no longer necessary and should belong to you too……”
First of all, she believes that I’m one of the wealthy privileged that keeps everyone else in poverty to serve my agenda (Jewish?). Secondly, she places herself in the poor working class. Now my elite friends and I have pulled the plug on the last crumbs tossed her way. What happens to her after this I am not sure. Monty Python worthy at least.
Thanks.
I think I may have discovered who craigsummers has been channeling:
Gary Kasparov!
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2090744-chess-grandmaster-garry-kasparov-fights-the-worlds-dictators/
In this bizarre vision of reality, the EU must be preserved, and NATO funding must be increased, and the neo-Nazis in Ukraine must be propped up by IMF handouts, because otherwise Putin will bring down an Iron Curtain across Europe. Really. . . stuck in the Cold War? Or just propaganda for the benefit of Wall Street financiers?
Hilariously, Kasparov believes Israel is a democratic champion of human rights:
Ah, this is such utter nonsense, when Israel is no more democratic than Iran, with similar censorship of the press, religious tests for political leaders, human rights abuses, lack of judicial process for political prisoners, etc. etc. But it does seem to be a fairly exact match to craigsummer’s PR line.
“…….the neo-Nazis in Ukraine must be propped up by IMF handouts……”
A little Russian TV propaganda may have slipped out Photo?
No, that was from John Pilger’s excellent analysis, which I suggest you read:
http://johnpilger.com/articles/a-world-war-has-begun-break-the-silence-
Do you really believe Putin will send the tanks into eastern Europe if NATO is dissolved, as the Warsaw Pact was at the end of the Cold War? That just seems paranoid and illogical, nothing but scaremongering aimed at preserving the bloated military budgets that outfits like Lockheed Martin and Northrup live off.
“Jewish?”
You know Craig, I used to think your professed concern for the welfare of Jews and your exquisite sensitivity to perceived anti-semitism (or “anti-Jewish bigotry” as you prefer to call it) were sorta cute, coming from a gentile. But, as usual, I was wrong. It’s actually pretty fucking creepy. (I wish I were more religious and/or culturally Jewish, so I could curse you properly in Hebrew and/or Yiddish, but alas I’m stuck with good old American English. So, you know, go shtup yourself or something.)
“Jewish?”
Fucking trashed the shiksa cover I’ve spent years building here.
Who knew that “Pedinska” is a transliteration of the Hebrew for “Mossad triple agent?”
You gotta be able to handle sarcasm, Gator – especially on this site.
Take care.
As a young lawyer I was taught never to use sarcasm in any transcribed proceeding, because sarcasm depends heavily on tone, which often cannot be discerned from printed material.
If you were joking — and I take you at your word that you were — it was a stupid, shitty joke. But I honestly couldn’t tell, because you have a habit of making patently absurd accusations of “anti-Jewish bigotry” in this space. (And that’s my fucking job.)
Come on Gator. You are joking right? Isn’t that a classic age-old Jewish conspiracy theory that Jews seek world domination? I am sure I could find a quote from Mr. Duke on that, but Wikipedia will do.
“……..Derek Penslar describes modern economic antisemitism as a “double helix of intersecting paradigms, the first associating the Jew with paupers and savages and the second conceiving of Jews as conspirators, leaders of a financial cabal seeking global domination…….”
Sounds a lot like Barrabas to me.
“……But I honestly couldn’t tell, because you have a habit of making patently absurd accusations of “anti-Jewish bigotry” in this space……”
We just have a major disagreement on that idea. You cannot complain about certain below the line anti-Jewish sentiments while endorsing other comments that do the same, right?
Thanks.
Excuse me, I was the Greenwald comment section’s self-appointed arbiter of acceptable discourse concerning Jews long before you ever heard of him.
You need to learn your place, newbie.
(I’m kidding. Mostly.)
You think after posting here a couple of years, I don’t know my place? Jesus.
Craigsummers insists that there is no difference between anti-Zionism (which is opposition to a certain peculiar form of government and ideology) and anti-Semitism (which calls for the repression and persecution of anyone with a Jewish identity / genealogy).
When it is explained to him that being anti-apartheid (in terms of the South African form of government and ideology) is not at all the same as being anti-white (which implies a deep-seated hatred for all white people, as with other forms of racism), he just ignores the argument.
Of course, 1930s-era conspiracy theories about the “Jewish-banker-Communist conspiracy” are pretty ridiculous; the salient historical point is that once the German elites had paid off the Nazis in 1932, the Nazis dropped “banker” from that phrase; not that it is any less ridiculous, as if the several million eastern European peasant Jews killed in their villages by the Einsatzgruppen death squads, before the Final Solution was settled on by the Nazi leadership, were involved in banking or communism. You have to be a real idiot to trot that crap out in the modern world, certainly.
Fascists always need a scapegoat though, don’t they craigsummers? For you, I believe it’s the Muslim-Putin conspiracy that fits that role . . . chuckle. And no, thank you.
“……..Craigsummers insists that there is no difference between anti-Zionism (which is opposition to a certain peculiar form of government and ideology) and anti-Semitism (which calls for the repression and persecution of anyone with a Jewish identity / genealogy)……”
I have never said or implied that at all. Is there any reason to read any further?
(but I did despite the bullshit)
The comparison to apartheid South Africa is not antisemitic, but is just false – a lie advanced for political reasons.
Final Solution;Why wasn’t it final?Did they f*ck up?Or is that a Ziomyth?
I go with the latter,as serial liars lie serially.
Basic logic.
“… I could curse you properly in Hebrew and/or Yiddish, but alas I’m stuck with good old American English…”
——–
Reminds me of an episode of All in the Family with an orthodox Jewish TV repairman who refuses to repair Archie’s TV after identifying the problem because he had to get back before sunset because of Sabbath.
Archie gets really upset and argues for a while until the repairman has had enough and says something in Hebrew or Yiddish. Archie doesn’t understand it, and the repairman tells Archie he’ll never know what he (the repairman) said, but he got even (with Archie).
The 70s had a series of classic sitcoms with great social commentary – like All in the Family, Mash, Sanford and son. This was a ground breaking era in television. Obviously, this was a massive step up from the racist comedy series “Amos and Andy” produced in the 50s which I can still remember watching on TV.
craigsummers could be a high functioning paranoid sociopathic psychotic. I actually appreciate his speaking out here as it shows the world what zionistas really are made of. Of course, he could be pretending to be a murderous genocidal maniacal likud but in reality a left wing double agent.
We will never know unless he is brave enuf to tell us here how many murders he or is IDF compadres have committed and the names of his/their victims – being women and children and all.
The Intercept’s Scott Sterling…
I mean you no harm, Craig, we are all on this spaceship together. But you do take a beat down here. Fall down seven times, get up eight…
Mona and craigsummers are two peas in a pod, in my opinion – both are utterly incapable of changing their minds in the face of evidence that conflicts with their predetermined opinions / PR lines. They deserve each other.
It’s like the Israeli and Palestinian extremists – could they cooperate to save their lives? The notion is to put both extremists in the same boat, a leaky rowboat – if one paddles as hard as possible, and the other bails water as fast as possible, they just might barely make it to shore – but if not, if they squabble and fight, then the boat goes down and both of them with it.
Creating such a ‘diplomatic’ solution would be the ideal way to solve the problem – cooperate or die, which is it going to be?
Oh please. Do you really think Glenn Greenwald would befriend and become law partners with anyone who “thinks” like Craig Summers does?
At any rate, you are just pissed at me because I and other spanked you hard over your utter lack of sympathy for those in excruciating pain, and your loathing of those who advocate for them. I was just especially harsh about it, and don’t regret that in the least. Hence your ongoing fit of pique where I am concerned.
Appeals to authority are not logical arguments; why don’t you try arguing on the merits instead of going with “my daddy says” all the time? Glenn Greenwald, Yanis Varoufakis, etc. – and let me also point out, when I quote someone like John Pilger, I quote their argument, I don’t merely invoke their authority. And I don’t resort to trolling, frothing at the mouth, or calling people insane in response to persistent disagreement.
You can’t even admit that EU rules on capital flows are highly damaging to local economies and facilitate all manner of schemes, from capital flight to Goldman Sachs pump-and-dump schemes; this might undermine the anti-Brexit position that you’re so dedicated to; as with craigsummers, you refuse to switch positions, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that you are wrong.
I at least can change my mind; when Trump doubled down on Muslim-xenophobic BS in the wake of Orlando, I decided that voting for him in order to send a message to the neoliberal Democrats just wasn’t worth it – but what would it take for you or craigsummers to change your mind on issues? You say opiate addiction isn’t a problem; craigsummers says Israeli is a democracy that respects human rights; and no matter how much contrary evidence is presented, neither of you can shift your position.
So yes, you are very like-minded individuals – who do deserve each other. It’s like Hillary and Trump flaming each other on Twitter – comic relief if nothing else.
God, you are such a mental midget. Tell us all, please do, do you lambaste character references as “appeals to authority?” Because that’s as intelligent as what you just argued.
I was “appealing” to the likelihood that, given all that is known about Glenn Greeenwald, he would associate himself, both personally and professionally, with someone who “reasons” as Craig Summers does. You are fully aware that that likelihood is slim to none, and that your accusation to the contrary is preposterous.
There is, on the one hand, some anonymous guy in the comments section (that would be you) who claims I’m akin to Craig Summers. And then there’s Glenn Greenwald’s actions where I am concerned. Gee, who to believe?
The rest of your bilge is similarly stupid and requires no substantive response. As I said, you are simply still smarting over myself and others kicking your ass over your repugnant and immoral views on people in pain and those who advocate for them.
I suggest you spend some time poring over this site, it will improve your commenting skills greatly:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Some specific issues in ‘appeal to authority’ fallacies:
I would say your appeal to Yanis V.’s authority falls foul of #3 and #4. As to who associates with who, I think all those issues, 1-5, apply. Ciao.
And you should stop “saying,” because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Political opinions about Brexit are judgment calls, and as such, authorities are allowed to be biased — political judgments always are.
Your notions about bias would matter if, say, Yanis was being cited for a claim about the percentage unemployment had increased, if most economists disagreed with him, and if his claimed fact supported his political views.
You simply intensely dislike it that Yanis Varoufakis, the former finance minister of Greece, supported Remain. It unsettles your neat narrative that all moral, well-informed and decent people on the left were Leave supporters. But that’s just too bad.
/off tutor
;)
Opiate addiction’s main problem is that it is illegal,and you are at the mercy of law if caught feeding your habit,unlike all the alcohol and nicotine and Zoloft addicts.
If it was legal ,there wouldn’t be much of a problem,as addicts of all types function quite well when sated.
In fact,some say it helps their thinking.:)
Takes a licking and keeps on ticking
lol. “I assure you…”
That might be a little optimistic. It’s more like get hammered 7 times crawl back up 7.1 times
Well, you’re always a good sport. Stay the course mate, it’s nice to have counter-perspectives and divergent thought. It’s what we should continue to encourage. I can’t say that I agree with you often, but I do recognize that you write from a place of authenticity and this is meaningful to me.
Thanks. Take care.
“Why the British Said No to Europe” – John Pilger
“The majority vote by Britons to leave the European Union was an act of raw democracy. Millions of ordinary people refused to be bullied, intimidated and dismissed with open contempt by their presumed betters in the major parties, the leaders of the business and banking oligarchy and the media.”
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2016/06/26/1007430-why-the-british-said-no-to-europe-john-pilger/
Note how Pilger differs from Greenwald and Bivens who puzzle me. Mona or someone will now inform me that Pilger is a right wing bigot or the like.
“The most effective propagandists of the “European ideal” have not been the far right, but an insufferably patrician class for whom metropolitan London is the United Kingdom. Its leading members see themselves as liberal, enlightened, cultivated tribunes of the 21stcentury zeitgeist, even “cool”. What they really are is a bourgeoisie with insatiable consumerist tastes and ancient instincts of their own superiority. In their house paper, the Guardian, they have gloated, day after day, at those who would even consider the EU profoundly undemocratic, a source of social injustice and a virulent extremism known as “neoliberalism”.”
Read this if you dare!
Pilger has been one of the most accurate and honest voices pushing back against the “neoliberal consensus” that took over from the Bush-era neocon program – and which, by and large, liberal Democrats who support Obama and Clinton have been unwilling to look at – because the truth is, Obama and Cameron and Hillary Clinton merely picked up where Bush and Blair and Condoleeza Rice left off:
http://johnpilger.com/articles/a-world-war-has-begun-break-the-silence-
How did this come to pass, that liberal Democrats have become ardent supporters of a militant foreign policy that Nixon and Kissinger would have been proud to support? Pilger also explains this:
A fundamental rethinking is needed, but neither the Democratic nor the Republican Party will lead the way – both are too committed to the militant imperial policy to change direction without severe public pressure.
I think it’s just a simple as can be: John Pilger gets it and, in this case, the others do not, missing the mark by varying distances.
Nothing I could write could sum up the radical left any better than those few paragraphs.
Thanks.
Doug, do you know what John Pilger has to say about the points I raised here, and in my quotes of Mehdi Hasan? You didn’t directly respond to those aspect of Brexit.
Do you deny the huge wave of racism and xenophobia attendant to Brexit? If not, do you feel it needs to be addressed?
It’s quite clear that racists and xenophobes were attracted to Brexit and overwhelmingly voted Leave.
The only meaningful way to “address” that reality is to recognize that xenophobia and racism are manifestations of the tribalism that is an inherent part of our genetic and sociobiological heritage — and which was adaptive for most of our development as a species.
When individuals and tribes feel themselves threatened (by attack, insecurity, poverty, etc.), and when that sense of threat is accompanied by an influx of “others,” reactions learned and integrated into our species identity for a million years or more are triggered. That’s not going to change any time in the next few hundred generations.
In the case of Brexit, the only useful way to address the issue is to address the mechanisms that impose austerity on the masses while simultaneously creating a refugee flow that is experienced (quite rationally) as threatening the security and well-being of “the tribe.” One of the most powerful creators and enforcers of those mechanisms is the EU, so it makes perfect sense to reject it.
Telling people who are afraid for their livelihoods and those of their children that they are bad and wrong is never going to work.
If we don’t create a more equitable distribution of wealth, reduce consumption of resources and energy by orders of magnitude, find a way to reduce the population other than by catastrophe and pestilence, break up the too-big-to-fail organizations (banks, nation states, cartels . . .), it’s just going to get worse. Much worse.
There was an equally huge wave of racism and xenophobia associated with the Remain camp, wasn’t there? David Cameron was the leader of Remain, wasn’t he? Like Trump, he claimed that Muslims were shielding ISIS, that Muslims hadn’t done enough to denounce terrorism, etc. etc. Recall this quote?
I think the Remain campaign, particularly its press spokespeople, didn’t want to talk about things like democracy and national sovereign rule, the effects of unregulated capital flows (such as the increasing wealth inequality), and similar issues – so instead, they tried to paint the entire Brexit campaign as the work of uneducated ignorant bigots.
It’s also true, however, that the flood of refugees into Europe from the regime change efforts in Libya and Syria put huge pressures on European countries – hundreds of thousands of people needing housing, jobs, and social services, many with cultural attitudes (such as lack of respect for women’s rights) foreign to modern Europe, inevitably led to some increase in xenophobia.
One way to address that is to stop the military neocon/neolib regime change games – that Cameron and Obama and Clinton are so fond of – and instead work for diplomatic resolutions; but even with no xenophobia, the EU would still be a democracy-undermining system aimed at enriching elites at the expense of the middle class, as the Greek debacle demonstrated.
Spanish far left makes gains in elections: exit polls
http://www.politico.eu/article/spanish-far-left-makes-gains-in-elections-exit-poll/
Good article. Thanks for posting
DPRK News Service tweets:
DPRK News Service is a twitter account that reminds me very much of our own dear Benito.
The battle is still raging fiercely on Linkedin, and Jeff Weiner appears to be losing the plot, posting videos of bottles being thrown and smashed, supposedly representative of the damage that the terrible Brexit voters have caused.
Regardless of the decision, I feel sorry for what is next for the people of Britain. Because the next move for the financial/political elites will be to punish England for its decision to exit the EU.
Because I don’t think the elites see this as a loss per se. I think they see this as an tremendous opportunity to show the world their power and what they can and will do to countries if their people “step out of line” by voting for their own interest instead of the interests of the international bankers and corporations. They have been doing this quietly to the 3rd world for decades, but now they have opportunity to do this on scale never imagined possible before. And the world will be watching.
How about a little honest self reflection from the elite hard left? They denounce working class people as bigots and no-nothings with as much, if not more, relish than the Western elites Greenwald is banging on about. During the Brexit campaign and the 2016 US presidential campaign, I saw absolutely no attempt to reach out to or understand Brexit and Trump supporters’ grievances. No, what we get from hard left elitists are “safe spaces” and admonishments to “check your privilege” to people who don’t have a pot to p### in. Give me a break Greenwald. People like you have been the greatest allies of the Trumps of the world. When did you ever attempt to understand white working class anger and promote ways for working class whites and people of colour to get together and find common ground? You peddle in the self-pity of every disaffected group but working class whites. You have much more sympathy for whiny, and I might add “elite” college students from minority backgrounds who can’t even engage in open, honest debate and discussions about issues because it could hurt their little feelings. These are important discussions that, while difficult and uncomfortable, could eventually lead to mutual understanding. Instead, it’s shut down debate, dis-invite campus speakers and shout down those who disagree. And guess what Greenwald, with nowhere left to turn, people will turn to Fox News and Trump because they can’t even get a conversation started anywhere else, especially with the elite hard left. You’ve got not business scolding the “Western elites” for their lack of understanding.
The Supposed Left did not fail, Glen, they never tried in the first place and have been complicit in the overall schemes from the start. That someone like Tony Blair – and now the disgusting Hillary Benn – can support obviously falsely reported and reasoned aggressive acts against sovereign states with the poorly hidden aim of expanding Western imperialism and economic dominance clearly demonstrates this. The purpose of Brexit is to Divide and Conquer, to sow the seeds of confusion so that political resistance is not unified against what will (more than likely unless a miracle happens) progress under the next President of the USA: more of the same since 1945. There’s only one game in town and until people realise this and stop being distracted by Immigrants, and Terror, and Drugs, and Austerity, and Healthcare, and Police Brutality, and Racism, the world will keep marching towards an Abyss forged in the demented dreams of one Evil Empire and one only: The United States of America and her allies.
And the media and the Right or the Left do not need to look in the mirror – this is their game, Glenn, this is their livelihood and living. They come to take from us the fruits of our labours, to control us, to keep us down – these fucking people who we empower in our name and enrich with our taxes and purchases. It is a sick game we have been playing since the dawn of time, and now a small elite and their flunkies think they can take the ultimate prize – EVERYTHING.
That’s the game, Glenn, nothing else. The rest is bullshit – the Toys of Dionysus to distract the “democratic” masses, and Western people are in horrible and dangerous denial as I do not believe the Chinese, the Russians or their allies will accept in their affairs the hateful destroying hand of the West again.
You seem to labour eternally under the false impression that there is some sort of decency that can be found by meditation and soul-searching – there is NOT. People must take the power back or shut the fuck up and accept the foot on their stupid fucking heads. For stupid and lazy and weak and in denial they are, clutching their little piece of Hell, scaling it against their fellow man, celebrating their pathetic victories until the day they fucking drop dead.
9/11 is history and its perpetrators have been punished. What we now have is a real and deadly war being executed by America on the Rest of the World and the American people cannot shirk the responsibility that they invest in their leaders in the name of Democracy. It is a hateful sham and all people must either oppose it, or be complicit in it.
Got it?
Thanks for this excellent analysis of our current malaise
Insularity is being used similarly to isolationism. The USA entered two world wars in the twentieth century and made matters worse than they might otherwise have been. Churchill played a trickster in both. The USA has killed between 20 and 30 million civilians since WWII. In one way Obama has been representative of the USA–he is very arrogant. Time to be a little isolationist and a little insular. Until there are no college students who are homeless and concerned about their next meal we should let the rest of the world look after itself. Until there are no children living in poverty we should take a break from immigrants. The USA has no choice but to take care of itself and has been doing a fairly bad job of it at that. The world would benefit from the absence of the USA for a decade or so. Maybe someone can tell me why Glenn Greenwald agrees with Bevins? Who is Bevins that he knows so much? Or is he the pen of some hidden hand?
Sounds ok if the USAF is put on the no-fly list, and the Marines, Army, and Navy repatriated themselves along with numerous other merc orgs, Mr. and Ms. Sachs, Chevron, etc…
Otherwise your suggestion is not be even a little isolationist.
I dealt below with your reactionary and false speculation about events in general, and Glenn Greenwald in particular. Now you’ve moved on to different but equally baseless insinuations.
You, Mr. St. George, hold to some very ugly views.
I am not sure what these “ugly views” are. As for “baseless insinuations” I believe the millions of civilians is apt to be unfortunately accurate. As for Churchill he lied continuously to Roosevelt. In 1916 the Germans who were slightly ahead in the war wanted to call the war quits and let things go back to the way they were. Wilson allowed himself to be persuaded as did Lord Baulfour and many more men were slaughtered. Churchill falsely claimed to Roosevelt that Hitler wanted to take over the world, etc. Pearl Harbor historians now agree was not so much of a surprise attack. Etc.
Finally there are quite a few homeless college students who also have trouble getting food to eat. Sorry for these ugly facts but there they are. I realize that law schools don’t teach very good history courses so do not expect you to know much in that department. But like a well trained attorney you fail to present substance with you allegations and instead go for libelous remarks so that someone new would get a fairly inaccurate opinion of my comments. And now the final finally, no, the USA has done way too much meddling in other people’s affairs and is busy doing it in its citizens as well. Please notice that unlike you I will refrain from vague accusations such as you are ____________ & ______.
That’s not what law school is for, you twit. As it happens, however, I minored in history, and majored in Religion in America — which is a hybrid of history and sociology.
More saliently, I was raised by a far-right professor of American history who was as well-disposed toward both Churchill and FDR as you appear to be. I know you and your type quite well, as well as your narrative, and rejected all that depraved bilge decades ago. (Which is not to deny Winston Churchill’s rabid racism and Boer War war crimes and folly at Gallipolli. But I’m not discussing any of that with someone such as yourself.)
In any event, and as I just said, below I debunked your mindless spewing about Glenn Greenwald’s history, and I decline to further engage your ugly delusions. At least not in this thread.
William
“…….But like a well trained attorney you fail to present substance with you allegations and instead go for libelous remarks so that someone new would get a fairly inaccurate opinion of my comments…….”
No question that Mona embraces that strategy purposely. She loves to post “readers alerts” because she fears new posters will be discouraged by “other” opinions unlike hers. She loves to accuse posters of stalking her. Mona is just flat out nasty.
I am sure that like Glenn Greenwald you voted for Obama in ’08 and perhaps in ’12. A lot of people did and then they felt betrayed or deceived or something and still carry the condition within them that led to their misperception to begin with. You still think things that are not true. For example, that sites like this one have much to do with important truths. I come here occasionally just to try to figure out what today’s liberals and progressives are up to — and it is not easy as there seems to be a lack of principles behind these views. Once upon a time liberal meant something good to me. No longer. Now is it has a lot to do with authoritarianism and even totalitarianism with a good sprinkling of utopianism. A bit selfish and demented. Buddhisms three poisons: ignorance, greed and anger.
Touché Mr. Greenwald! I too suffered from mass reaction.
Thank you for your article which has helped me understand the deeper roots for these latest political events.
This is what I call professional journalism: Informative; critical but constructive; honest and courageous; clear and well written; offering solutions not only on how we, the people, can go about dislodging corrupt elite institutions and plutocrats, but also how the ‘establishment’ need to examine their self-entitled arrogance and greed, admit their failings and reform or assume the consequences of the status quo. Thank you Mr. Greenwald.
Glenn Greenwald, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for having the courage to be a real journalist.
Thanks Glenn,
We can’t wait or endure any longer we must throw off the chains. Time is not on our side. If our biosphere is to remain one we can live in we must overturn this elite oligarchy that poisons our shared world. The few must give up their wealth so the many can live.
Today, George will, the “elitist” WP writer who has supported almost every elitist policy that has led to Brexit is having a schadenfreude moment. The name dropper and huge fan of Reagan and his policies who has been rarely in the right on major issues (Iraq war, Trump’s victory, Middle East policies, etc..) is jumping on the “Cassandras” of the EU elitists (Seriously!).
When is Mr Bezos going to force a ClownExit at WP and introduce young talent in the mold of GG?
“Strike weapons at standoff distance is troops,” said Tucker. “Those are military personnel.
Obama has a few boots on the ground, Here’s more military personnel:
Clinton’s Center for New American Security, Michele Flournoy:
“eliminate artificial manpower limitations” on military missions in the country.
The very fact that an article like this is being written and read with such interest and investment by people hungry to make sense of it all, is proof that we are transitioning away from 50 years of inequitable hegemony and are now looking for a new way of being. Thanks to the www, we can now know more, we can unite and we can act in ways never before possible. Thank you Glenn for contributing to our knowledge.
Wow! Incredibly well-articulated and powerful…
Bloody British pish posh, Glenn. Thanks to the immutable laws of American politics and the stars above, we (and I use that term loosely.) still have a choice: Trump v Clinton
*pick a card, any card.
Good points, but I’m not convinced this is an accurate reading of the situation. It seems to imply that, deeply inside, people are against the EU for the right reasons, not for all the f-ed up reasons that they themselves express. This point of view is itself elitist and condescending.
The fact is that the the internationalist project poses some quite difficult challenges. How do you harmonize the laws and economies of countries that have different standards of economic interventions, of social welfare, of public servant employment, of public debt, etc, etc. How do you solve the conflict between, say, environmental objectives and interests of the fisheries and their communitites? How do you solve the problems created by mass immigration, the conflicts btw social integration and multiculturalism, human rights and the democratic governance by populations that don’t desire further immigration?
It is very easy to rant against the institutions while pretending that it is nothing more than ill-intentions by the powerful and therefore offering only moralistic condenations but no concrete solutions to the very real problems that the EU project faces.
What if part of the problem is also this cheap condenations by so-called progressives and lefties, which rethorically always take the higher moral ground in every issue by not not having to answer to any outcome, offering any concrete solutions, just moralistic rethoric, which undermine the legitimacy of the institutions without addressing the legitimate issues that the project faces?
Kind of revealing that people like Yanis Varoufakis were pleading for UK to remain and defending the EU project, but what if it is a bit too late, after havinf undermined the EU with their own populism?
It would have been much more useful if Greenwald reserved at least a bit of critical reflection for his own camp, instead of predictably directing all the blame towards “the other side”.
What’s “kind of revealing” is that you remain a rightwing shill who is yet again mischaracterizing something Glenn Greenwald has written, and offering your own very silly and bankrupt ruminations. As it happens, decent, well-informed people have been discussing Yanis Varoufakis’ take on Brexit in this thread.
Varoufakis did not “defend” EU; rather, he pleaded for retaining it but radically reforming it. He was and is deeply worried about the racist, xenophobic forces unleashed by Leave, but does not remotely discount the myriad legitimate reasons to be furious at the EU and its financial elites.
What’s not revealing or surprising at all is that you can’t bear any criticism of your idol…
And, oh, Yanis Varoufakis is not defending the EU because he is proposing to radically reform it?! Ha! If I hadn’t read your comments before I would have thought that you are being ironic, but no, you’re that clueless!
Because this is precisely the kind of empty rethoric that I’m referring to. It means nothing what Yanis Varoufakis is proposing to reform because there is no reality whatsoever in his proposals, it is pure posturing with zero chance of support by the people of the 28 member states. In fact, it is precisely what drives people against the European project. His “let’s retain it but in my way” is nothing more than wanting to have the cake and eating it too.
Last year, Varoufakis wrote a explicit defense of European capitalism and against a radical agenda, not out of love or ideology in favor of capitalism, but out of a clear-eyed understanding of historical forces at plat and the risks involved. He did indeed, like much of Syriza, come out as a reluctant pro-EU, but only after campaigning against it and seriously aiding the parochial reactionaries on the right and the left. It was, as I said, too little too late.
I quote:
“If my prognosis is correct, and we are not facing just another cyclical slump soon to be overcome, the question that arises for radicals is this: should we welcome this crisis of European capitalism as an opportunity to replace it with a better system? Or should we be so worried about it as to embark upon a campaign for stabilising European capitalism?
To me, the answer is clear. Europe’s crisis is far less likely to give birth to a better alternative to capitalism than it is to unleash dangerously regressive forces that have the capacity to cause a humanitarian bloodbath, while extinguishing the hope for any progressive moves for generations to come.
(…)
It is the reason I am happy to confess to the sin I am accused of by some of my critics on the left: the sin of choosing not to propose radical political programs that seek to exploit the crisis as an opportunity to overthrow European capitalism, to dismantle the awful eurozone, and to undermine the European Union of the cartels and the bankrupt bankers.
Yes, I would love to put forward such a radical agenda. But, no, I am not prepared to commit the same error twice. What good did we achieve in Britain in the early 1980s by promoting an agenda of socialist change that British society scorned while falling headlong into Thatcher’s neoliberal trap? Precisely none. What good will it do today to call for a dismantling of the eurozone, of the European Union itself, when European capitalism is doing its utmost to undermine the eurozone, the European Union, indeed itself?
(…)
If this means that it is we, the suitably erratic Marxists, who must try to save European capitalism from itself, so be it.”
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/18/yanis-varoufakis-how-i-became-an-erratic-marxist
The only issue with the referendum was that a complex issue was given to the people to decide. It was a very stupid to ask the question and based on the way the party leaders stood on the issue, involved more thought than emotion. The elite got emotion because they have ignored the voices of the people, that are suffering, not just economically, but with worry for the futures for their children.
Remaining in the EU simply did not solve enough problems for the people.
I am afraid so. Reference to that circus huckster.
I do not agree with much of the rest f what you write.
You are still looking for solutions as if global capital is working and is delivering for the vast majorities across the globe and the EU. It’s not. The people have started revolting. How much of that do you not understand? If you want solutions look to the intrinsic failure to construct simple things like hope as a part of the intended prosperity, then being able to deliver that into the hands of the peoples that were suppose to be “raised-up” by this holy seeding.
Really a fantastic article explaining & articulating a lot of the feeling that many have had for some years now. This piece is a real asset to The Intercept, and let’s hope to forward so others can read and think about as well.
las vegas futures – 2025
status quo 1-20
fascism 8-1
collapse 10-1
socialism 500-1
extinction 100000-1 (for suckers)
Greece was a good lesson. When the country was in trouble, aid went to financial institutions, not the people. This illustrates the priorities of the EU. It is possible the plebs in GB noticed this.
Yanis Varoufakis, the former finance minister of Greece, supported Remain. He predicts horrible economic and social (racist) consequences.
Too many lefty Brexit supporters are in immoral denial about the tidal wave of racism and xenophobia that drove, and is driven by, Brexit. Brexit could be the right result, but it cannot be right to ignore the demonic costs and consequences.
I would suggest you read Yanis’es book “And the weak suffer what they must”. It’s a very good explanation on how the world economic system and specifically what has become the EC has worked since “Breton Woods”. Our elites have created this system and they may rue the day they did. Democratic Socialism might look a lot better than the Fascism that is looking more and more likely. WE are mad as Hell and we are not going to take it anymore and even Yanis is a part of the elites, albeit a good one. I would not be surprised to see the worlds financial elites try to do to the UK what they did to Greece and Argentina and are doing to Venezuela and Brazil right now. Finance crushes economies to effect regime change and they may not like the Hitlers waiting in the wings; they are too smart by half.
The thing is, while everything Greenwald wrote about elites and the righteous fury at them is true –and then some — there is a flip side that’s also dangerous and ugly. And that’s hoi polloi’s strong tendency to anti-intellectualism.
Elites are not necessarily and always bad. The distribution in talent in the human species ensures they will be with us unless and until they are genetically engineered out.
Elites that do not hide their actions and agendas behind opaque walls and institutions, who respect democratic mechanisms, are good. We need them.
Elites who subvert democracy and plot policies for their own enrichment and that of their own class, are not good. From everything I’m given to understand, Yanis Varoufakis is not one of those.
Does anyone have a PDR to look up the clinical name for this disorder calling itself Mona, as it continues to wallpaper the thread with “I can’t make up my mind, and that’s important”. The expression of one wobbly opinion requires a single post. The torture shill wallpaper is more attractive. At least it is sincere.
You are, in all likelihood, mentally ill, for you are one of these unfortunates. You believe I am a “torture shill” because I do not support your sick delusions about being “remotely tortured” by some cabal that exists only in your head.
There it is. A return to what she does know. Doing what she does best.
“Too many lefty Brexit supporters are in immoral denial about the tidal wave of racism and xenophobia that drove, and is driven by, Brexit.”
A tidal wave that involves millions of people. Even if all the refugees were white, England is an island and it’s pretty full. Of course skin color makes it easier to rail against outsiders, but outsiders are just that.
I think it is simplistic to assume racism is THE driving force for Brexit. There are a great many Brits of color; it might be interesting to see how many people of color were racist with their vote.
Mona, when you invite one Muslim family into a neighbourhood, it’s easy to be gracious and welcoming. When you invite 100 families, and suddenly, your daughters can’t safely walk the streets to school or work, because they’ll be harassed by gangs of unemployed Muslim youths who consider the girls fair targets because they’re not covered in a burlap bag, it’s easy to understand why people reject it. IT IS NOT RACISM!! It is anger and dismay over having YOUR LIFE AND YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD overturned. Meanwhile, the chattering classes, holed up in Mayfair or their Home Counties’ estates, are far removed from the life THE ELITES IMPOSED on the working class. I will support bringing in refugees if every rich person agrees to take in one family. Don’t hold your breath.
[“Too many lefty Brexit supporters are in immoral denial about the tidal wave of racism and xenophobia that drove, and is driven by, Brexit. Brexit could be the right result, but it cannot be right to ignore the demonic costs and consequences.”]
This was posted further down tread by TjM…and it is the most comprehensive explaination so far…http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/should-disturbed-brexit/
Israel should be deeply disturbed by the Brexit vote – by Jonathan Cook
I’m not sure why you keep appealing to the authority of Yanis Varoufakis, whose Syriza Party basically rolled over for the IMF and EU interests, as many have noted:
http://johnpilger.com/articles/a-world-war-has-begun-break-the-silence-
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, not a substantive argument.
When I was a youth, the EU had not formed yet. In school we thought it a marvelous ideal. I was all for it. What could be better than getting a bunch of countries to cooperate and become stronger than the sum of their parts? Now, I realize that financial institutions and corporations have co-opted these ideals and put their concerns above the peoples. Elites (mostly) benefit from an EU, not all peoples. I am not anti corporate or anti-elite, but we are in a scenario where a minority has ever concentrated wealth and power and that is dangerous. As for Greece, the populace must be looked after foremost. Financial institutions and corporations are important, but less important.
It seems more likely to be the opposite: that is precisely the aid that Greece demanded that drove the British against the EU. Had the EU leadership conceded more to Greece, it would have become even harder to push back against Brexit and possibly other countries would follow suit.
Excellent analysis of the origins of contemporary anti-establishment sentiments and the media’s complicity in the failure of now besieged institutions to benevolently lead. There is a truly stupendous amount of capital leveraged on continuing globalist agenda so I fear things are going to get much worse before things get better.
Scotland and Northern Ireland voted Remain can can be explained by the simple adage of
“Peter was robbed to pay Paul”.
In this adage, there are actually 3 persons. There’s Peter (England), Paul (Scotland/N. Ireland) and the unnamed person doing the robbing (western institutions, media & Elites).
Here’s how Glenn’s explanation is accurate and explains why this voting occurred.
Through Globalization, Peter’s job with a living wage of 50,000 Pound Sterling was given to Paul for 40,000 Pound Sterling (assumes a normal living wage for both countries).
The remaining 10,000 Pound Sterling was taken by the Western institutions and Elites in the form of bank fees and Corporate profits to be promised to media or politicians in the way of contributions or others means. The point being is that all profited from Peter’s job transfer to another country.
More developed nations are losing their jobs to developing nations and not being replaced either with government help or market innovations and the media remains somewhat silent with pointing this out.
Ie….another form of the Trickle Down Theory? Maybe Shell Game is a better name since Peter was actually victimized.
let’s say i am in a sailboat race.
to win the race, everyone is trying to steal the wind from others
but me, be a master thief, use my “future value projection machine” and get all the wind that would be available for everyone for the next 10 years
i win
everyone else loses as they float aimlessly in a vacuum
that is what the euro is – a hijacking of other currencies so the bankers can commoditise all trade and rob the public of their future value
which also means, the collapse of values from BRexit is a REALLY GOOD THING because it actually returns real value to the real future!
(aka the previously higher valuations were a fraud from theft and a curse that forced people to borrow from the thieves)
Using the wind is a great way to explain your position. You scream about valuation, but no one is listening, me, most of all.
You are your own hot air to which people would rather have a nice cool breeze. I think you should take it a down a notch.
in a criminal economy, valuation is everything.
You’re not going to convince me of that. Valuation is simply a measurement either objective or subjective. Criminality is a behavior.
In any market transaction, valuation is determined by seller & buyer agreeing. Duh. Anything is worth whatever someone is willing to buy it for.
That’s the closest definition of value that anyone can determine. There is no real definition of Value. It’s subjective.
… it’s actually a PONZI SCHEME
… this game provides enough temptation for the greedy to engage
… and then to drag everyone else into their game (for that is their future profits)
… early investors make good, the masses are duped into playing and paying
… and the organisers (who also set the rules) clean up.
an old game … tried and tested … promulgated by the priests … perfected by banksters.
In your extremely vague and useless comment, define the following: IT’S, THIS GAME, DRAG EVERYONE, & THE RULES.
You seem to not understand the following concepts: A Market, A Market transaction, the Time Value of Money, Inflation, value, Valuation, Capital, and The Incremental Cost of Capital.
So yes, your simpleton idea and vague useless comment sounds totally silly to me.
When you can demonstrate that you understand these concepts and can incorporate them into your useless statement, you’ll be in a better position to at least make a useful comment rather than sounding like a conspiracy theorist whose trying to demonize the entire science of economics.
Good Luck, sincerely.
>the entire science of economics.
how cute.
aaaahhh, another person that doesn’t believe in Science. Must another one of those pesky creationists.
Watch the pendulum closely and close your eyes: the world is flat, you can cure disease with leaches, you won’t get pregnant the first time….lol.
… Galactus, your economic credibility and ability to explain everything in a reductionist scientific / economic superior textbook fashion is truly impressive and something to behold.
… sorry, which text on economics is the Shell Game referenced above from?
… when you can demonstrate that you understand said Shell Game and can incorporate it into your comments in a form other than bullying, abuse and dismissal of all but your vaulted opinion (or is that Gospel?), then you’ll be in a better position to at least make a useful contribution to the discussion.
IT’S = Shell Game
THIS GAME = Shell Game
DRAG EVERYONE = Encourage others / coerce others
THE RULES = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ponzi
SHELL GAME = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_game
having read them both, i continue to maintain that this appears more like a Ponzi Scheme than a Shell Game … but as you are the expert i will defer to your unassailable wisdom on the matter.
Sorry if you are offended at hearing the truth. But repeating your same uniformed nonsense of “It’s All A Shell Game” is a little hard to swallow. You expect people to believe the the ENTIRE western world has been somehow fooled? That’s what a Shell Game is….it’s a lie, a con, a trick.
People working for money, buying products to support their families, building homes, cities and civilization, works of art, providing food to the world, education, medicine, construction, pulling resources from nature and turning them into something useful and allowing the betterment of human culture is a lie…..REALLY…THAT’S what you expect people to believe?
I’m not trying to be bully, but when someone presents something so outrageous, I find it hard not to challenge it.
And No, my opinion is not Gospel. I’d be first to admit when I’m wrong and consider another person’s reasonable argument if its backed up with facts.
But until now, you haven’t provided any. You’ve only restated your same assertion, ‘It’s a Ponzi scheme’. zero facts.
Word of Advice to You: Think Before you hit the Submit Key.
In case it’s not obvious to some, people who benefit normally find things Fair and Just and will affirm with their votes.
I knew your article on this would be a blinder but I didn’t realize it would be that great. Anything I say about it will just be floral gushing so I’ll limit myself to one such remark; you are among the last of the heirs of Voltaire.
Glen; you have written a lot of good stuff but this is worth the ink to print. One reason the “old” and I’m Bernie’s age and like him,never lost my ideals; voted “out” is that we lived in a time when things were actually better than now for the working class. With High School you could learn a trade, do useful , productive work and support a family on one income. You had a defined pension and lots of bennies and security. You looked forward to a brighter future when technology would produce so much you would work fewer days/hours and have more time to spend with your family. Family, remember that. Even Eisenhour never seriously tried to undo the “new deal”. Young people have been schooled by Disney and it’s ilk before they could read and by the propaganda arms of the elites, the schools, churches and the media to believe “the big lie”, TINA, there is no alternative to the way it is. In my country, Canada, you know, the polite people, just a few years ago, over 1000 peaceful, unarmed demonstrators at the G20 were put in cages, “kettled” in the rain by our finest police; agent provocateurs creating their own media shows so the suckers could see how “violent” we were; all at a cost of well over a billion dollars and the suckers cheered and only some low level cops were sanctioned. I’m cautiously hopeful that as Churchill said that this is not the beginning of the end of neoliberalism but that it is end of the beginning of the nasty rule by propaganda and the mailed fist if necessary by our self serving arrogant elites. It should have happened in 2008 with the banks nationalized and tens of thousands of financial parasites behind bars but it can still happen, hopefully with Democratic Socialism rather than Fascism but it has to change!
But the Brexit campaign was itself led by the same right-wingers in the Conservative Party who followed the edicts of neoliberalism more intensely than anyone else. Gove’s education policy consisted of transferring public schools to private ownership through the Academy policy. Boris Johnson’s tenure as London mayor involved hordes of foreign multimillionaires and billionaires buying up property en masse making it unaffordable to anyone else. Farage is himself a publicly educated banker.
That’s the thing with the referendum, the people driving it weren’t doing it to thumb their nose at the establishment, they were doing it so they wouldn’t have to abide by European law that stopped them from exploiting the poor more comprehensively. Their idea of sovereignty involved selling off everything to private companies and leaving the poor to fend for themselves, and much of the woe the working class are feeling has very little to do with the EU and everything to do with Conservative policies from Thatcher onwards.
One very vital fact: Many, if not most, campaign contributors in the USA love recessions and economic downturns that harm the working class.
In other words, those that “employ” many members of Congress and state legislatures actually profit from the misery of the working class.
These things aren’t always by mistake but intentional, that’s why public financing of elections may have prevented Trump and Brexit from ever happening in the first place – leaders would have been paying attention to their employers – the voters.
There are several articles at Counterpunch this weekend
which are related to this article.
Especially interesting to me is the article by Paul Street
called “Miranda, Obama,and Hamilton:
An Orwellian Menage-a-trois for the Neoliberal Age.”
It shows the underlying technique of re-writing the history
of predatory Bull and Bear econoimics in a way to deceive.
Started off well,exposing Hamiltons hypocrisy,but then veered commie with its blanket condemnation of GW and others for being men of their time.
In a perfect world………
Poor analysis – very neoconservative if you ask me. “detachment from the citizenry”? “if you’ve got money, you vote in. If you haven’t got money, you vote out”? We already know it’s the rich baby-boomers who voted out. After sucking all they could get out of their economy – leaving little for the new generation (sounds exactly like the U.S. by the way), the young generation (of which over 60 percent voted to Stay with the EU) is left in the cold – and those are the ones without capital.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump, of course, believes in (br)exit too – of any exit would do for him. He’s a neocon after all. Just like Sam Harris by the way – who made some video’s defending Trump’s BS rhetoric against immigrants (the new atheists, after all, are also right-wing western supremacist republicans, after all – they have nothing to do with serious atheism or non-theism).
The arguments for Brexit however weren’t very serious – they were the ego-tripping experiment of the older generation as I just pointed out. The new generation does not think in terms of old strategies and nationalism – so THEY are not the rich establishment – the older generation is. The small minority of voters, plus the young non-voters have been left in the cold by the baby-boom-bastic generation.
Strange, that you would interpret Brexit as a fascist impulse, when in fact it is a reaction against the excesses of a fascist elite. I think you may have internalized the system of the oppressor.
Strange, that you would interpret Brexit as a fascist impulse when in fact it is a backlash against the fascist elite.
I don’t think you should conflate the two (Trump and Brexit). We know what Trump is. We don’t know what the outcome of Brexit will be. It may cause pain but the pain may be more equally spread, and the lower classes may even come out better off even if the MOTUs don’t.]
Glenn, I have already praised your essay below but here I want to highlight the sterling discussion thread that you have stimulated. Pros and cons but all mostly eloquent presented. Very health discourse.
I was wondering what was going on at The Intercept with the steady stream of Robert Mackey “let’s ignore the stupid voters” pieces on Brexit. Relieved to see this.
one more for the collection of commentary:
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Christopher M
?@mammothfactory
I am not sure if British people have opted to leave the EU or to defy the will of God by opening the Ark of the Covenant
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Which exists only in your imagination.
” In the U.S., the joyful rejection by Trump voters of the collective wisdom of the conservative establishment evidenced the same contempt for elite consensus.”
Evinced sted evidenced; http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evince
Greenwald cautions against the ” ugliest tribal impulses: xenophobia, authoritarianism, racism, fascism. ”
I am a white American. When Donald Trump spoke of a dirty trick by a Mexican judge, it resonated with many White Americans. We are victims of the mutli cultural stew forced down our throats every day telling us to “take our medicine”… IT”S GOOD FOR YOU.
NO it is NOT good for us. I liked Norman Rockwell Americana. And no white judge in America can belong to a group … any group ….called THE RACE.
The document dump by that judge [omitted in the outrage that Trump omitted his hyphenated heritage] … that dump before the trial, couldn’t be addressed, but muddied Trump’s reputation. THE MEXICAN JUDGE sabotaged one side of a case he had a stake in. PERIOD>
White Americans see this every day. WE are the victims of racism. We have a president so hostile to half his heritage… he wants the country diluted in favor of every 3rd world refugee. The end game is to make OUR votes irrelevant.
Yes, this is a race war. There will be no blue eyes in 4 generations. That matters to people with blue eyes.
The music is slowing and there are not 7 billion chairs. As the 3rd world breeds itself out of it’s environment… we struggle to hold on to a few corners of it.
It’s kill or be killed time… and I for one, won’t be told I”m evil for wanting to save my own.
Excellent writing. Publicly-funded election campaigns, here and there, would help solve this problem of the governing class ignoring their employers – the voters.
Mr. Greenwald
A very good article which reflects your economic and political philosophy.
”…….. Even now, western elites continue to proselytize markets and impose free trade and globalization without the slightest concern for the vast inequality and destruction of economic security those policies generate………”
This is just (more) anti-imperialist propaganda. Globalization was as inevitable as the Neanderthals going extinct. Globalization gained tremendous momentum during the European colonial period which continues today. There has NEVER been any guarantee of “economic security” in any civilization – and it is simplistic to suggest that free trade and neoliberal policies are responsible for the disparities that exist in the west (or the world) today without recognizing our high standard of living. Sure there is inequality, but when have things ever been equal – and under what political and economic system? I must have missed those discussions in my history classes. Global elites have always ruled the “peasants” whether in the Roman Empire, the Islamic Empire or under the auspices of the great Genghis Khan (etc.). The rise of the west was due to industrialization, globalization and capitalism even if it rode the backs of cheap (slave) labor. It still led to the high standard of living enjoyed in the west today. So why overhaul something that has worked so well?
The idea that third world people are taking our jobs because of free trade agreements is just fear mongering at its worst (and every bit as racist as the xenophobic far right). Globalization and neoliberal policies have produced jobs in the third world lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty. There is no denying that. Manufacturing jobs shipped overseas by the greedy “corporatists” were jobs lost in the west, but gained in the third world reducing the massive disparity between the west and the third world. This was as inevitable as it is a positive result of capitalism. “Workers of the world unite” brought us massive suffering and starvation by a different set of global elitists in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. New generations of elitists with essentially the same song and dance are selling (essentially) the same product under a different name – a utopian (but impossible) dream where there is no economic disparity.
But let’s say that you are 100% right and the current elites are 100% wrong and you are able to effect change in the world. I am not convinced that all that much would change in the long run. A new order of “elitists” would be born acting in the “best interests of the workers/peasants” to create a brave new world order. The masses would likely be just as marginalized as people are today because idealism requires conformity (like unions) enforced by the “new” elitists. Would it really be any better? Would the new order be able to feed the starving masses, bring in the anti-globalization people (like the Islamists) and prevent war?
I rarely read anything you write any longer because it is incredibly predictable, having been splooged in exactly the same manner for years now, but this one began with what amounts to an actual compliment from you to Greenwald so it seemed like an opportune moment to see if any of your toxic thought patterns had evolved. And look what we find:
The rise of the west was due to industrialization, globalization and capitalism even if it rode the backs of cheap (slave) labor. It still led to the high standard of living enjoyed in the west today. So why overhaul something that has worked so well?
Nothing like an outright admission that you’re ok with slave labor as long as it maintains your own comfortable existence. Classic.
The idea that third world people are taking our jobs because of free trade agreements is just fear mongering at its worst (and every bit as racist as the xenophobic far right).
Third world people didn’t take anything. Our “elites” gave away our manufacturing base in order to be able to keep more money in their own pockets by promoting the use of cheap (slave) labor.
http://www.epi.org/blog/naftas-impact-workers/
The fact that much of that cheap (slave) labor is currently located in countries whose populace is primarily POC is due to the racism inherent in how the west – governed almost exclusively by whites – colonized those parts of the world, again in service to the almighty God Profit. So, racism in pursuit of cheap (slave) labor and/or resources begets more racism. Who knew?
No one is saying that there will never be economic disparity, that’s a strawman birthed out of your own prejudices, a homonculus born of your own desperation to never see your own circumstances change. What IS being said is that the above practices, designed to keep as much of the world in destitution and desperate poverty as possible in order to keep you and your fellow “elitists” in the stratosphere of comfort to which you’ve become accustomed is no longer acceptable to the vast majority of human beings on the planet. And you will never be able to live without fear because you will continue to treat us as merely cheap (slave) labor to be used as you see fit – you really can’t help yourselves, massive hubris works that way – but we will always outnumber you and, at some point, will decide that we would rather see it all burn than to continue barely surviving as your cheap (slave) labor instead of as human beings worthy of dignity and our own opportunities to succeed and thrive.
Fuck you and the Horse of Privilege you rode in on. You and your elitist compatriots are too stupid to even fool the cheap (slave) labor anymore. You have decided that even the few crumbs tossed our way post-WWII are no longer necessary and should belong to you too. Your mistakes are going to cost you dearly. The only thing that remains to be decided is when and how. The Brexit vote is a huge sign that the rest of us are done with your policies and prescriptions. Ignore it at your own peril.
You can respond if you like, but I am now going back to ignoring you because you are a disgusting piece of work whose presence here I relish as it gives me an opportunity to exercise the muscles used to roll my eyes and those involved in scrolling past the massive amounts of verbiage you need to justify your own execrable existence.
Craig is a poor student with terrible habits (i’m worried about his hygiene too.), but I’ve always said he Understands the problem… all to well.
*Craig understands that ‘globalization’ is inevitable. He will undoubtedly respond with statistics that show the severe austerity suffered by western standards was more than offset by wage increases in the Pacific rim from .68 cents/hr to over $1 dollar per hour … and other assorted whater’boutery.
Yup, it took me too long, but after increasing popular demand, I began ignoring Craig 95% of the time. It greatly assists thread hygiene.
Craig brings out the best in others, though. No Craig, no glorious Doc Hollywood interpretations of Craig. Without Craig, I couldn’t have enjoyed the magnificent quoted paragraph from Pedinska. And I used to learn a lot from your lectures directed to Craig.
If Craig did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.
He’s a useful foil, but only in acceptable volume. His incredibly dense (ahem) and lengthy spasms become a problem when they are so many it causes valuable participants not to stay or read.
Folks were giving me shit about encouraging him to post yet more of his endless spewings, so I caved to those concerns. There are plenty of other trolls showing up, and even a few good faith opponents, who allow me and others to set forth what we know and can document.
But yeah, the inspiration for Doc Hollywood is worth most of the suffering.
Thanks Gator. I’m invaluable. Mona, of course, has known that a long time. She still responds when she can make a case, but indirectly most of the time.
This is a rather curious response from someone who couldn’t be bothered to stand on principle and take exception to the anti-Brexit posture of Intercept staff reporters (Greenwald, Hussain, and Mackey) whose combined pre-referendum efforts represented the Intercept’s entire position in regard to the democratic aspirations of those individuals with in the UK who ultimately voted to leave the EU. It isn’t until Glenn Greenwald engages in a face saving, post-referendum rant about the the way in which the leave movement was dishonestly portrayed by “establishment journalists,” that you also feel compelled to herald your alleged pro-Brexit sympathies at the expense of someone who at least has the courage to consistently give voice to his own convictions.
Karl, you are a rgihtwing, racist lunatic with a feverish, conspiracy-theory worldview, and this bilge is as accurate as your usual bilge. Which is to say, it’s bullshit.
Have a nice day.
This is a rather curious response from someone who couldn’t be bothered to stand on principle and take exception to the anti-Brexit posture of Intercept staff reporters (Greenwald, Hussain, and Mackey)
First, you know nothing of me or my positions. It might also surprise you to be informed that you know nothing about what I read here or elsewhere, so extrapolations of my supposed positions on such things as Brexit – a complicated issue that has been oversimplified almost everywhere – by someone like you would be laughable if they were in the least believable.
It isn’t until Glenn Greenwald engages in a face saving, post-referendum rant about the the way in which the leave movement was dishonestly portrayed by “establishment journalists,” that you also feel compelled to herald your alleged pro-Brexit sympathies…
It might surprise you to realize that people have other things going on in their personal lives that compel them to sift through priorities on their time, but that’s just how it is. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I choose to comment on or how I feel about the underlying issue.
…at the expense of someone who at least has the courage to consistently give voice to his own convictions.
LOL at you if you think anything I said causes any “expense” for my interlocutor. If you want to defend the policy preferences of someone who regards the the vast majority of us as cheap (slave) labor then do so honestly, but don’t cast aspersions on my alleged pro-Brexit sympathies in the process. If you’d actually been reading me for as long as you think necessary to understand my positions on any given thing, you’d know better. I’ve been commenting under Greenwald articles since 2005. I don’t need to comment on anyone else in any given establishment where he writes for my direct comments on his articles, or to given commenters BTL, to have legitimacy. That’s just bullshit.
Putting you back under the scroll wheel too… :-s
This straw man argument clearly reinforces the perception that you are not only inconsistent and highly selective in giving voice to your alleged principles, but that you will also abandon all principle in defense of your fragile PC persona.
Yet another dodge. I am speaking directly to your morally imperious posture toward Craigsummers in regard to the Brexit vote. Again, It wasn’t until Glenn Greenwald engaged in a face saving, post-referendum rant about the the way in which the leave movement was dishonestly portrayed by “establishment journalists,” that you also felt compelled (empowered?) to herald your alleged pro-Brexit sympathies. For ten days prior to the publication of this Greenwald article, EVERY Intercept article pertaining to Brexit engaged in “petulant, self-serving, simple-minded attacks on disobedient pro-leave voters” by dishonestly lumping them all together and then describing them as violent, nativist, primitive, xenophobic, racist, chauvinist, virulent right-wing, fringe, Muslim hating, anti-Globilist, emotional, ill informed, anti-politician bigots.” Yet I did not hear a peep out of you (and yours) until now. Why is that exactly? Did you all trip on your capes on the way to your computers?
Nope. Karl is , once again, making shit up.
“Nope. Karl is , once again, making shit up.”
Clear proof once again that Mona is pathological liar.
From a post below:
June 15 2016 (Mackey): Nigel Farage is a racist; The entire leave campaign is overtly racist.
June 16 2016 (Mackey): The phrase “Britain First” is used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a “fringe” group of “thugish”, “Muslim hating”, “far right”, “chauvinist”, “politician despising”, Brexit loving political party.
June 17 2016 (Greenwald): The phrase “Britain First” is once again used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a virulently right-wing, anti-immigrant, white-nationalist, pro-Brexit party.” The Brexit campaign is also characterized as largely comprised of “virulent”, “anti-immigrant”, “fear mongering” individuals.
June 17 2016 (Mackey): The phrase “Britain First” is once again used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a far-right, fringe political party by the same name. To further bolster the claim that right-wing, pro-Brexit, fear mongering parties were responsible for the death of Jo Cox, the author advances the argument that “mentally fragile” individuals (like Thomas Mair) are prone to being “pushed over the edge” by their rhetoric. This set the stage for vilifying another anti-Brexit organization, the United Kingdom Independence Party, who had no alleged connection to the murder of Jo Cox. But the author wasn’t yet done suggesting that the groups who supported Brexit, and their leadership (exemplified by Nigel Farage), were prone to violence. Lastly, the author uses a 2010 photo of Mair wearing an army surplus camo-jacket as proof that he has enjoyed a long association with Britain First (“Clear evidence”? Really Mr Mackey?).
June 22 2016 (Hussain); Mr Hussein advances the argument that “it has been the most xenophobic, [far-right] parties and individuals who have been most strongly campaigning to leave the EU.” He doesn’t stop there however. Rather he engages in his own brand of fear mongering that attempts tie the Brexit movement to a larger campaign of violent, anti-immigrant nationalism that is rampant on Europe’s periphery. War, economic disaster, the break-up of the European family, and the loss of peace and stability throughout Europe are cited by the author as a natural consequence of the UKs exit from the EU. Sebastian Mallaby, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, is even used to suggest that threats to integration from nationalist movements pose an existential threat to the CFRs pipe dream of an anti-democratic, global governing body of transnational capitalist elites. (Shame!)
June 22 2016 (Mackey): Attempts the re-frame the Leave/Remain debate as a battle between emotion and reason. To this end, he paints the entire Leave movement as irrationally self-destructive.
June 24 2016 (Mackey): Even in the aftermath of the referendum vote, the phrase “Britain first” is once again used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a virulently right-wing, anti-immigrant, white-nationalist, pro-Brexit party” (although, for the first time, the word “first” is no longer being capitalized). The author wildly speculates that the pro Brexit vote will result in a “resurgence of dissident activity” in Northern Ireland.
June 24 2016 (Mackey): The author chooses to advance the argument that “the measure Britons just voted for ‘was an advisory not a mandatory referendum,’” only; “meaning that it is not legally binding on the government.” He then further paints a picture wherein the democratic aspirations of the British people are compared to a giant asteroid hurtling towards a moon.
I was thinking the exact same thing when this article was published. While Greenwald does think outside of the box, most of the rest of the staff publishes the status quo that Greenwald railed against in this article.
Actually, one of the articles to which I referred was written by Glenn Greenwald. Even if it was not, the concerns expressed in this article in regard to the whole cloth, negative characterization of those who supported the leave campaign by “establishment journalists” would have been much more credible if they had been published prior to the referendum vote.
Like Chomsky and Soros, there are any on the left who believe that the UKs departure from the EU makes it much more vulnerable to American influence in the short run. The EU itself is also also being presented as being at risk as cold war descriptors like “domino effect” are being use to describe the “eventual dissolution of the 28 member bloc practically irreversible.”
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/25/brexit-makes-eus-dissolution-practically-inevitable-george-soros.html
Thus we have the sovereign, pro-democratic aspirations of the common man being played off against the elite’s anti-democratic, neoliberal concept of regionally pooled sovereignty. Tough choice for people like Greenwald whose personal fortunes are tied to those of Limousine liberals who themselves have already reaped ample benefit from facilitating the creation of transnational capital markets.
Karl, you discredited yourself long ago with this ploy of claiming some paraphrase of yours demonstrates someone, say, me, is lying.
No one cares about that shit after it’s been decisively falsified so many times now.
Bye-bye.
“The democratic aspirations” of the Brexit crowd? Are you utterly and completely delusional? Did you pay even a moment’s undivided attention to the campaign, to Boris and Michael and Nigel? Have you noticed at all, the least little tiny bit, the way that they deal with different opinions on threads here or on the Guardian? Do you in fact know anything about the UK?
You are engaging in exactly the same type of defamatory reductionist rhetoric that this very article purportedly decries. Three people do not represent the views of the 15,188,406 Brits, or 349,442 Northern Irishmen, or 1,018,322 Scotsmen, or 854,572 Welshmen. How little you must think of those who have had to disproportionately shoulder the burden of the elites neoliberal economic agenda while benefiting the least from it. Are you aware that Euroscepticism within the UK has been in evidence since it voted to join the European Community in 1975? Over 8 million UK voters (31 %) opposed joining the European Community in 1975. However, 69% of the UK electorate were in favor of the UKs inclusion in the EC, so it was only natural that the political platforms of mainstream, centrist parties would generally reflect pro EC positions. It is for this reason that it has become increasingly common to identify Euroscepticism with fringe parties on either end of the political spectrum within the UK. In fact, fringe parties are now largely defined as such because they reflect higher levels of euroscepticism then those that have positioned themselves in the political center with the intention of further promoting and reflecting the inculcated belief of the majority that led to the UKs hopeful embrace of supra-nationalism originally. Yet here we are forty-one years later and the tide has turned against the UKs inclusion in the EU. The MAJORITY (52%) of UK referendum voters now choose to think for themselves and ignore the relentless, dire economic predictions coming at them from every direction of political upheaval and economic calamity simply because “Boris and Michael and Nigel” told them to? Are you really this dense?
WOW! Well written and pretty well covers it in a few paragraphs. TINA, there is no alternative is a lie foisted on the serfs by the organs of propaganda. Thank you again for expressing it so succinctly and completely.
Pedinska
“…….Nothing like an outright admission that you’re ok with slave labor as long as it maintains your own comfortable existence. Classic……”
Not quite what I meant, Pedinska. The slave labor which built the US economy was in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries by US workers (and literally slaves as well). So yes, I am complimenting not only the industrialists, inventors and the entrepreneurs, but the “cheap” labor which built the US economy and gave me the opportunities which are coveted by people (especially immigrants, legal and otherwise) from all over the world today. It is what gave us a high standard of living. Interestingly enough, you are probably one of those same beneficiaries. So there is probably a significant amount of hypocrisy on your part.
“…….Fourth, and ultimately most important, NAFTA was the template ……. under which employers of China’s huge supply of low-wage workers were allowed access to U.S. markets in exchange for allowing American multinational corporations the right to invest there…….”
This was an incredibly smart move by the Chinese government – and ultimately, it allows the Chicoms to remain in power. The Chinese government traded political rights for access to economic freedom for the Chinese people. The Chinese have more billionaires than anyone else. As a result, hundreds of millions of Chinese workers have been lifted out of poverty and the Chinese government has returned the investment by building the infrastructure and better access to the markets. How do you suppose that compares to the average Chinese worker under Mao? Does the Great Leap Forward Famine ring a bell (Wikipedia)?
“……Chinese journalist Yang Jisheng concluded there were 36 million deaths due to starvation, while another 40 million others failed to be born, so that “China’s total population loss during the Great Famine then comes to 76 million.”[6] The term “Three Bitter Years” is often used by Chinese peasants to refer to this period [1959-1961]……” My insert in brackets
Thirty-six million died from starvation. And what is your solution, Pedinska?
“…….NAFTA affected U.S. workers in four principal ways. First, it caused the loss of some 700,000 jobs as production moved to Mexico……”
Many jobs moved from the west to the developing world – and that is all bad? Who is the racist again? If the labor wasn’t cheap and the environmental and safety standards lax (cheap also) in Mexico, the jobs simply would have stayed in the US along with the buying power. I am not sure why you think that is good for POC. This is true for Mexico, China, India and so on. Additionally, westerners benefit from the lower cost of products made in the developing world. Maintaining the huge difference in the standard of living between the first and third worlds is racist. Free trade benefits business, POC (as you choose to call them in another attempt to make everything on earth driven by racism) and raises the standard of living in the developing world as well as in the west (cheap products). Another reality is that corporations in the US (west) cannot compete internationally without access to cheaper labor. I am not sure how going out of business helps the American worker either. Maybe you have some ideas on that?
“…….Third, the destructive effect of NAFTA on the Mexican agricultural and small business sectors dislocated several million Mexican workers and their families, and was a major cause in the dramatic increase in undocumented workers flowing into the U.S. labor market. This put further downward pressure on U.S. wages, especially in the already lower paying market for less skilled labor…….”
Interestingly, you will never see this argument advanced by the radical left when arguing against the racist and xenophobic right in the US about illegal immigration. Another interesting observation is the first sentence of your source which reads,
“…….The North American Free Trade Agreement (NATFA) was the door through which American workers were shoved into the neoliberal global labor market…….”
You really have to wonder if their numbers are correct considering the obvious bias of the anti-neoliberal blog.
“……..Fuck you and the Horse of Privilege you rode in on. You and your elitist compatriots are too stupid to even fool the cheap (slave) labor anymore. You have decided that even the few crumbs tossed our way post-WWII are no longer necessary and should belong to you too. Your mistakes are going to cost you dearly……”
Just emotional garbage – an attempt to put yourself in the “poor” working class while putting me with the elites. Chances are fairly good that workers in the developing world might laugh at your attempt to martyr yourself as “poor”.
Thanks Pedinska
She didn’t call you elite; she called you elitist. It’s different.
And therein lies the main problem with engaging extensively with the Craigs and Karls hereabouts. They will elide and shift just enough to field what superficially appears to be a cogent argument that devolves into an amalgamation of seedy refuse if you bother to take the time to expose it.
My time is worth more to me picking black raspberries and canning them so I can savor them during the winter and share with others. And reading comments from other folks who make good faith arguments and have proven themselves willing to entertain same from others, while working toward understanding these kinds of complex issues. :-)
I totally respect your priorities and time allocation. But, as I have probably mentioned here before, I have a very boring job that often requires long hours at a computer, and I don’t fancy porn. So I’m pathetically grateful for the entertainment Craig and his adversaries provide. (And for all the commenters really, even the anti-semites.)
“………My time is worth more to me picking black raspberries and canning them so I can savor them during the winter and share with others. And reading comments from other folks who make good faith arguments and have proven themselves willing to entertain same from others, while working toward understanding these kinds of complex issues……”
I just suggest you keep reading the Intercept (ironically funded by an elitist) – and you will learn all you need to know on both sides of the issue.
Fair enough.
He’s learning to troll the comment section a bit better. Progress?
He’s learning to troll the comment section a bit better. Progress?
Not at all. Just another frilly, artificial lure attached to the barbed hook on the end of his fishing pole.
He’ll get bites from time to time but he’ll never land anything substantial.
A wave of applause…[“I relish as it gives me an opportunity to exercise the muscles used to roll my eyes”]
Sometimes we gotta let some steam off toward the very reason(s) that produces it. Thank you for the gift you have…muscles and all.
I was not there during the Roman Empire but I know the Pharaoh(s) had the suckers building their tombs instead of homes for their families. I did however live through the 60s and yes; it was a whole lot better for the working class in the developed world. Decent, well paying jobs with security, defined benefit pensions and bennies and people looking forward to an even brighter future. That is not a myth; I was there. Of course, young working class American boys got sent off to kill the Yellow man but for the rest of us it was god and getting better including getting better for women and even Black people in the USA. It is NOT a myth!
That’s when the US government and business were working for Americans.
Once the globalist mindset decided to maximize profits by outrsourcing and taking the difference for stockholders and management – Americans were left behind.
Lifting all boats in the world sounded so optimistic… but for every 3rd world child we fed, another 10 were born. Now we in the west are the minority… and the globalists keep trying to lift all boats.
To mix metaphors… the music has stopped and there are not 7 billion chairs. The 1% cares little for borders… and they have walled themselves off from the invading hordes.
Norman Rockwell Americana is gone, and nobody cares but White America.
There I’ve said it…. this is racial. This is global. And Americans are on the losing end. We have no friends, no government and media is international… nobody speaks for us.
I’ve heard about pensions but I still don’t know exactly what they are. Are they a kind of cereal bowl cannibals like to eat from, or the stuff punters toss into it?
You seem to have devolved into self-parody, Craig.
“I wonder what Craig Summers thinks about Brexit, and about Greenwald’s take on it.”
–Said No One, Ever
So does this mean he’s more ignorant of economics or of evolution?
Actually, that was the one thing craigsummers wrote in that post that I agree with.
So I would say “evolution”.
I forgot to add- Excellent riposte, Pedinska!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y8xEMDlsyU
China blue
They live crowded together in cement factory dormitories where water has to be carried upstairs in buckets. Their meals and rent are deducted from their wages, which amount to less than a dollar a day. Most of the jeans they make in the factory are purchased by retailers in the U.S. and other countries. CHINA BLUE takes viewers inside a blue jeans factory in southern China, where teenage workers struggle to survive harsh working conditions. Providing perspectives from both the top and bottom levels of the factory’s hierarchy, the film looks at complex issues of globalization from the human level.
“……the film looks at complex issues of globalization from the human level…….”
No complaints from me on that one.
[“The rise of the west was due to industrialization, globalization and capitalism even if it rode the backs of cheap (slave) labor. It still led to the high standard of living enjoyed in the west today. So why overhaul something that has worked so well?”]
Excuse me Craig…this is why I sent you these two films so you can “see” what you condone as “working so well”…slave labor.
Sorry if I don’t just spend two hours reviewing two films on Chinese labor this afternoon. Have you suggested boycotting China in protest of workers rights? I am certain that a BDS type movement would help the Chinese worker, right?
No one has ever suggested that conditions are perfect in China, but it certainly has improved dramatically from the Mao years. Between 1959 and 1961, 36 million people are estimated to have starved. Even if that number is inflated by 50%, that still is 18 MILLION people that starved to DEATH.
Thanks.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xui6bl_la-despotheque-last-train-home-1-2_news
Synopsis
Every spring, China’s cities are plunged into chaos as 130 million migrant workers journey to their home villages for the New Year in the world’s largest human migration. Last Train Home takes viewers on a heart-stopping journey with the Zhangs, a couple who left infant children behind for factory jobs 16 years ago, hoping their wages would lift their children to a better life. They return to a family growing distant and a daughter longing to leave school for unskilled work. As the Zhangs navigate their new world, Last Train Home paints a rich, human portrait of China’s rush to economic development.
As always, brilliant, brilliant and right-on!!
For me it is time to resurrect
Roman Empire
Great article Mr. Greenwald, thank you.
Here in the U.S., in the past we have the escape valve of the destruction & replacement of the political parties (which has happened multiple times previously). Seems we are near that point where the Republicans and Democrats, corrupt and unresponsive as they are, will start faltering (GOP seems the closest here, although the Dems have the closes replacement waiting – Greens). The question seems to be whether they have corrupted the process enough to prevent their replacement by voters.
At this point, my guess is that both parties are too corrupt and invested in the corrupt process to be reformed and will have to be replaced. Would seem most of the other democracies can do this as well, although the danger, as Mr. Greenwald points out is that they go for a truly destructive party replacement (like the German’s chose in the 30’s).
Many thanks
Please send this to the EU elite Junker et all
It amazes me that their next meeting is to discuss how to isolate and punish the UK , when it should be about how can we the EU address our problems and faults and keep the UK on side . Actually they should have already done this . But they are blinkered
Outstanding article, very entertaining and well written. Just my two cents:
(1) It is not inequality per se but the perceived cause of inequality that has people riled up. No one has a problem with Steve Jobs making a lot of money. Lots of people have a problem with Jamie Dimon, though, for various reasons I trust are obvious.
(2) “Capitalism,” “free trade,” etc. are used in this article in a corrupted way, for which the “elites” are primarily to blame, but I find it disheartening nonetheless. Crony capitalism with a banker-controlled monopoly central bank is distinct from capitalism, just as multinational agreements restricting free trade do not represent an expansion of free trade because that term appears in the title of the agreement. Pretending that these terms actually mean what politicians etc. pretend they do when imposing their corrupt policies is playing into their hands in a way.
Good points, and. Totally worth more than two cents. ;)
Pretending that these terms actually mean what politicians etc. pretend they do when imposing their corrupt policies is playing into their hands in a way.
That’s Frank Luntz, infamous for helping craft Gingrich’s Contract with America and lots of other verbiage contortions meant to mine peoples’ emotions. I doubt he was the first, but he certainly was one of the most prolific sources for contorting language to mean things it really didn’t since words first crossed the lips of humanity.
Now everyone does it making it much more difficult for the rest of us, who still believe words should mean what they used to, as we get trapped into arguments over what a given word actually means – versus the uses our elites apply – as opposed to spending time drilling down into the policies those words so inaptly represent and/or outright hide.
“No one has a problem with Steve Jobs making a lot of money”
Wrong, many people think his closure of American Apple factories and their replacement with offshore sweatshop slave labor, all to reduce labor costs for Macs and iPhones (Foxconn etc.) was a reprehensible betrayal of well-paid American workers all so he could add a few more billions to his net worth.
Now Apple and Google and Microsoft want to go after their high-paid engineer’s labor prices, running shady deals on wage suppression and pushing for more H1B visa programs to bring cheap skilled labor into the U.S. from India and China, so they can cut costs again – what a greedy bunch of piggies.
Agreed. I’ve seen H1B visa totally perverted in a company I used to work for. They would rotate into the US ~30–40 different workers each quarter on H1B. That was just one division of a much larger company.
There are no sacred-cow jobs. Pun intended. If they will export engineering, what job won’t they export?
“Wrong, many people think….”
I think Macroman was trying say, there’s a difference in someone making money by providing an idea & product rather than some one who makes money by the financial market way (hedge fund managers & their ilk)
Oh, Gee, world peace through world trade… a sell-out of the world’s markets, economy, and population. There will be no peace, because it is used to cover the failure….The Panama Paper of all the hidden wealth while screaming poverty…
Greece, Goldman Sachs, the banks and Wall Street….YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD-OUT – AND DIRT CHEAP AT THAT. or HOW & WHY did Iceland lock up the bankers?
The labor movement of pushing people into starvation – homelessness (foreclosures?) Revolution – be-headings – killings…..WAS HITLER RIGHT… in killing off the masses….The Heads of State, with all the answers – till it’s their time/turn…. How many heads of state can you name who met an untimely end…..now count the ones of today for tomorrows history
There has been much over-reaction to the Brexit vote – particularly from Americans who tend to take voting over-seriously. So possibly a primer to explain the peculiarities of British politics is in order.
British elites have a habit of seeking popular input on many topics. One recent example was the recent public vote to name a new British survey vessel. The public’s preferred name, Boaty McBoatface, was ignored, and instead, the vessel was named the RSS Sir David Attenborough. Similarly, the EU referendum is non-binding and will be similarly ignored.
The key tell is that if British voters thought their suggestions would be taken seriously, they would act much more responsibly when casting their ballots. On Monday morning, hung-over, they will grumble a little at being ignored, but won’t be surprised. To Americans, this whole exercise therefore appears pointless. But it provides a useful outlet for British voters to let off steam, and express contempt for their rulers, before obediently returning to work (or possibly queuing for their weekly benefits allowance). Mr. Greenwald shouldn’t take their grumbling too seriously; it’s just part of the standard British routine.
The Intercept has a wise policy of placing any comment with more than one link in a queue for moderation. This is to prevent the minds of their readers from becoming overloaded with information. So I would advise anyone whose brain can’t handle more than one link to stop reading now, as I have deliberately circumvented this safety precaution by providing a second link in a second comment. Continuing to read indicates consent to take this risk, and I assume no liability for the consequences.
A 2013 article from The Independent proves that British elites are well aware that ordinary citizens can’t be trusted with any sort of a decision. The article’s title, British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows, summarizes its thesis quite nicely. But for those who require proof of the obvious, by all means clink the link to see the supporting documentation (if your brain can handle it).
Mr. Greenwald would likely rage about the smugness of the elite expressing their contempt for the general public. I won’t defend the article, except to point out that the truth is sometimes an admissible defence.
The Indy is the mouthpiece of lebedev?,an anti Putin oligarch who has made a laughing stock of its news.
Todays claim;HB opens double digit lead over Trump.(he had a small bounce from Orlando,but that’s dissipated,sheesh)
What a hoot.
Have a cuddle benitoe. RSS Sir David Attenborough, and the three-toed spotted sloth he rode in on, beats RSS Mcboatyface hands down … anywhere on the planet. *also, I can post multiple links here unmolested. .. and when I post, boom, there it is. nah. nah.
But this …
… is right on the money, literally!
To pick up where Glenn left off:
1. The greatest mass exodus since WWII is in full swing. People are trying to swim from the shores of Tripoli to coast of Greek austerity. And the mutter-fuckers of the U.S.UK.EU alliance which caused this global clusterfuck … won’t let them in.
Such a cold and callus policy would tend to tarnish the luster of any Union, imo.
2. I notice Glenn continues to studiously ignore the primal clusterfuck which which stoked the flames of chaos and disorder around the world: Afghanistan … the graveyard to the empires.
*finally acquired a copy of the movie Zero Dark Thirty ~ the hunt for OBL. Basically, the whole movie (based on “true events”) is about U.S. intelligence operatives running around the ME (& elsewhere … gwot) torturing the fuck out of people who may, or may not, know of OBL whereabouts. Finally, after much torturing, they track OBL down in Pakistan and … well, you [think] you know the rest.
Damn you. I’ll need at least a month to heal.
“Americans Confused By System Of Government In Which Leader Would Resign After Making Terrible Decision”, at http://www.theonion.com/article/americans-confused-system-government-which-leader–53156
Excerpt:
Read the rest of this short piece at the link provided above.
Yeah, we’ve been force-fed the idea that the same incompetent idjits who’ve caused a massive problem …should also be the ones to “clean it up” as if these things were just spilled cans of beans in a supermarket aisle.
It’s one of the most perverse results of the priming of the country to accept everything fed to us by our “betters” and their so-called “experts” known to mankind. :-s
But contempt for their rulers, policies & institutions is precisely one of Greenwald’s points. It’s the collective FU he refers to near the end of the article.
The author just stirs up the mess and calls it a failed omelet of the “elite”. NeoCons/Libs and the Press are at fault – WTF? That’s all ya got. GONYEA NEVER FOLLOWS THE MONEY!
Who funds the “institutions” whom you sooo vaguely handle with kid gloves and then drop? Glossy title is a thin candy shell keeping our hands and minds free of getting to the truth of the names of the moneyed interests WHO CREATED THE INCOME INEQUALITY which they feel we need “for our own good”. Thanks for not even scratching that thin candy she’ll Mr G.
Mental masturbation, methinks.
Great assessment of overall political, economic, and social movements in the West! Outstanding piece! Keep up your great work! Paul Krugman should have read this before he wrote his piece in the NY times, in my opinion.
“The same is true of academic elites, and financial elites, and political elites.”
Sad but true this top tier knows best attitude and authority has bleed into every endeavors. From wars of choose to the wars on drugs, poverty or cancer or whatever. Top down management kills creativity in the ranks and allow inaccurate models to prevail long after their flaws are exposed and usefulness suspect.
Models for pathology in the war on cancer are incomplete and treatment strategies do not reflect this. The narrow focus on single sites of drug action ignores biological redundancy. Overly complicated arrays, algorithms and analysis of genes and molecules while “good science” can create a complexity that can defeat purpose. The complexity of our surveillance ‘collect it all” can also cause failure. You could change a few word and write the failure of most of our “wars” and institutions that promote them at great economic cost.
I agree with the analysis presented in this article; North Atlantic imperialism is a cancerous affliction, within and without…
I am embarrassed to say that I was one of the people sneering at #Brexit voters for xenophobia.
But truly, this is an object lesson in how current democracies fail to both represent and to offer any kind of meaningful choice.
By John Pilger
Why the British said no to Europe
http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-british-said-no-to-europe
Pilger makes a number of good points. His historical references are generally accurate but Britain’s EU membership had little to do with many of his general complaints with establishment elites against common people. Those complaints were valid with Britain in the EU, they are still valid with Britain exiting the EU. Those same complaints are valid for people in the US, such as myself. The Brexit vote is a slap in the face to the elite establishment, but will do nothing to change the circumstances, and the chaos that is likely to follow is likely more of an opportunity for power elites to exert their power to keep order.
Here is something I found that is also quite reveling:
After the European colonial powers went into abeyance following the Second World War, the role of patron shifted to the new global hegemon in Washington. The US has endlessly indulged Israel, guarded its back at the United Nations, and heavily subsidised Israel’s powerful military industries.
Whereas the US has propped up Israel diplomatically and militarily, the EU has underwritten Israel’s economic success. It has violated its own constitution to give Israel special trading status and thereby turned Europe into Israel’s largest export market. It has taken decades for Europe to even acknowledge – let alone remedy – the problem that it is also trading with illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
– See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/should-disturbed-brexit/#sthash.eN4XhTeP.dpuf
Thanks for this…
Brexit vote intensifies conflicts within European Union
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/06/25/euro-j25.html
Glenn, your first three or so paragraphs explain fairly well the motivations for the vote going the way it did, but I am having trouble finding a way out that holds any promise of constructive change. Is it beyond our collective reach? The rot is certainly pervasive and deep; anyone paying much attention gets that. The US adopting an officially sponsored torture regime…. doesn’t get much worse than that, although we know it has. And now Trump proclaims, “It works,” and vows to double down, killing the families for good measure.
You write: “In an interview with The New Statesman, the political philosopher Michael Sandel also said that the dynamics driving the pro-Brexit sentiment were now dominant throughout the west generally: “a large constituency of working-class voters feel that not only has the economy left them behind, but so has the culture, that the sources of their dignity, the dignity of labour, have been eroded and mocked by developments with globalisation, the rise of finance, the attention that is lavished by parties across the political spectrum on economic and financial elites, the technocratic emphasis of the established political parties.” After the market-venerating radicalism of Reagan and Thatcher, he said, “the centre left” – Blair and Clinton and various European parties – “managed to regain political office but failed to reimagine the mission and purpose of social democracy, which became empty and obsolete.”
Humor me. What if Blair and Clinton and various European parties as representing the center left had, or perhaps more importantly DO, manage to regain political office AND re-imagine the mission and purpose of social democracy…? Isn’t that what Progressives in the US and elsewhere are clambering to do?
Norm Ornstein and Thomas Mann described the Republican Party in their 2012 book, It’s Even Worse Than It Looks, thusly:
“an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”
I’d say there are elements of this across the entire political spectrum, and offer it in comparison to what Michael Sandel describes as happening among working-class voters that have been energized by both Trump and Sanders. Disaffected working class people have become dismissiveness of elites or “experts” (as Jonathan Freedland recalls the sneer, “Experts built the Titanic” in From Brexit to Trump? in NYR Daily,) reject conventional understanding of facts and evidence driven by the speed of social media hair-on-fire frenzy always moving on to the next crisis or utopian vision, or rightwing blogosphere and talk radio hate and nonsense, and hold contempt for inherited social and economic policies that in some cases do work, are necessary, need to be taken back.
My question is, who is able to grab the sensibilities back and direct them toward constructive remediation, away from nanoscale examination of the rot? Working class voters are not all wrong, but they are not all right either. Not understanding conventions or precedents or history doesn’t work in their favor either. Some will never understand anything beyond their own self-pity, selfishness and anger.
Brexit might be a repudiation of the western elite and the inequality of income and political power they have foisted on us, but what is the way out? Blow the whole thing up and hope the pieces land in such a way putting them into a recognizable pattern is not left to morons and murderers? There seems to be too much thinking along those lines in both camps, Trump proto-fascists and utopian seeking leftists.
Where is the center left and social democracy today? Completely lost, driven into the wilderness? Perhaps as much damage as Brexit is likely to cause, it can still be a force for positive change. Forgive me for believing all is not lost, at least not yet. Close, but I’m not ready to give up.
We already torture and murder whole families of our self made enemies at will,and have for for at least 200 years?And Obomba is its face.
But I bet he inspires you right?
Not on that point, no, he doesn’t. Are you saying Trump’s right, or just prescient and not stirring up the natives?
Sadly,torture has been used for multi millenia as info gathering.It does work,despite illiberal HS,and we do it already under the table.
Yes,it could give answers that one wants,the torture,and might not be the correct way of intelligence gathering.
Trump is being honest,while all the others,who actually have and do torture call him wrong.What a hypocritical hoot.
Very succinctly, leadership is needed to transition from extractive, financial, crony capitalism toward a steady-state economy based on a balanced symbiosis between private, productive capital markets, public institutions, and non-profits. The limits of representative democracy must be conceded, and a more robust turn toward horizontal, direct democratic structures embraced. Again, I emphasize leadership, and not of the stripe currently running for president in the US, who are hell-bent on polishing a turd; which will remain a turd, no matter how shiny it is.
What I appreciate in your writing here is your sense of balance, which of course is where the sages have always called us. Virtue literally denotes the mean between the excesses, and it’s what you are bringing us back to.
I can’t tell you how impressed I am with China’s mantra, “moderate prosperity” for their country. Can you believe the nature of this statement? Moderation, temperance, balance, virtue. They are spot on, and it’s where we need to get…before the pitch forks and AR15s come out.
[“I can’t tell you how impressed I am with China’s mantra, “moderate prosperity” for their country. Can you believe the nature of this statement? Moderation, temperance, balance, virtue.”]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y8xEMDlsyU
China blue
They live crowded together in cement factory dormitories where water has to be carried upstairs in buckets. Their meals and rent are deducted from their wages, which amount to less than a dollar a day. Most of the jeans they make in the factory are purchased by retailers in the U.S. and other countries. CHINA BLUE takes viewers inside a blue jeans factory in southern China, where teenage workers struggle to survive harsh working conditions. Providing perspectives from both the top and bottom levels of the factory’s hierarchy, the film looks at complex issues of globalization from the human level.
Sparrow, I always appreciate what you have to say, so I will watch the video. I have little knowledge of China and what is happening, but I do know that China is pursuing a purposeful path of moderate prosperity, which on the surface, strikes me as profound. I can’t help but think we are in the mess we are in because balance, contentment, temperance, groundedness, fulfillment, peace, enough, voluntary simplicity, minimalism, lack of want, and lack of desire are absent in our culture. Of course I mean this as a choice, as contrasted with true deprivation, which is perhaps what the video describes.
Thing is, once we become aware of issues like this, every time we buy a pair of said blue jeans, we are complicit. Let’s use ‘blue jeans” as an arbitrary placeholder for any number of issues found within our exploitative structures, and when we become aware, if we don’t adjust, even incrementally or gradually, we are morally complicit. Intention matters, even if we can’t opt-out altogether at once, we must start where we are.
Is it possible to lend me some literature on [“but I do know that China is pursuing a purposeful path of moderate prosperity,”] ?
Maybe I haven’t been keeping up. I know that they exploit their migrants at heinous levels…but maybe something has changed? I agree with doing with ‘much’ less so as to not be involved with the consumer cycle that causes these outrageous conditions on humanity, the earth, and the creatures in it. The curse of trade and capitalism…when we all can live a simple life without it. Thank you for reply.
Below are just a couple of tidbits. The point I am trying to express is that China is a global player in the truest sense of the word and they are not aiming to exploit the entire world as neocons have done, and to this, I am appreciative. Moderation.
http://ablog.typepad.com/keytrendsinglobalisation/2015/11/chinas-
five-year-plan-to-achieve-a-moderately-prosperous-society.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderately_prosperous_society
http://www.china.org.cn/china/2016-03/31/content_38151568.htm
You have to give some credit to British elites. After all they gave the citizens a vote on the issue. What would it take in the US to get a national referendum on the TPP and NAFTA?
Excellent point. Wapo is now referring TPP as “pending.”
Other that that the media is hiding the issue. Which gets to Glenn’s point about corruption in the elite media. They have a lot of tricks they use to fool and manipulate people, which runs counter to the role of a free press in democratic society.
If they can’t win honestly, they lie, cheat and rig the system, but at some point the system breaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqPVXTOKqqs
“Credit to British elites”
The PM made the vote an election promise and believed it BREXIT would fail a if voted on. It was a total political miscalculation and their own arrogance that made it possible.
If you remove the chains of you prisoner you’ve held under your thumb for 20 years, you shouldn’t be surprised if they take the opportunity to punch you in the mouth.;)
Cheers
Trump,and his election is everything to do with rejecting TPP,Nafta,Cafta,the WTO and IMF.
Go back to sleep.
You would think that the New York Times or the Washington Post or USA Today would have writers of this caliber, but they don’t for some reason.
Education to the highest bidder does not promote intelligence.
The poison ivy league is a factory of American traitors.
Headline from NYT:
The Brexit vote was advisory, not binding. It was called for and set up by a politician not known for his intelligence and understanding in order to stay in power, or so he thought, and the purpose was to dismiss the whole idea.
Yet we find many in the EU treating it as if it is a binding vote that must be acted upon at once. Why?
Also, I think it is clear that it was the bigot vote that carried the day (just ask them), not the more general non-specific protest against what the establishment is doing. Although it might be true that the wealthy people have the most to lose with Brexit, the strongest no vote also came from those who are not yet established in the economy, and therefore must find jobs, and that is true pretty much across racial and cultural lines.
Whatever the motives of the elites might be in promoting the EU, there seems to be a general belief that it is good for people without a lot of wealth also, except among bigots. So never underestimate their power, especially when they vote against their own interests.
You’re thinking of yourself as more intelligent than Cameron, and yet, your whole “analysis” is superficial to the point of amounting to comedy sketch. Only thing you’re able to do is to repeat self-delusions from mainstream media outlets.
And if you ask why this referendum is binding, despite the fact that it formally isn’t and most of politicians are not on the boat with voters decision, think of what would happen if this voice was ignored. If you think that some people are born bigots, please consult nearest psychiatrist. People are made bigots.
Britain is a commonwealth country with ties to Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States with various and sundry colonies and possessions scattered about the world. It should be fine.
The Brits can now decide who they will let into their country instead of the EU. Most countries are picky about whom they let emigrate, Canada for example. I think the Mayor of London tried to ban Trump for some reason. Maybe now he can.
The main thing is the passport situation, which was going away anyway. Because of the illegal immigration problem, it’s going to be back to “Papers please!”
What the EU is doing to Greece it could just as easily have done to Britain, if the Brits had given up their currency.
Zionists calling others bigots.
A lack of self awareness?
For those that use Linkedin you may want to add to the debate that is currently raging in the comments following Jeff Weiner’s post and recommendation as a good read of “Thoughts on the sociology of Brexit” by Will Davies :
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/
Others are also circulating a petition for a 2nd vote which is highly undemocratic.
Ironically, Mr. Greenwald ends up patronizing “the masses” he claims to be advocating for.
The masses SHOULD be held accountable for their xenophobia and racism because they are rational people capable of empathy.
If the Brexit campaign was targeting economic inequality, that should have been their focus, and in which case reform within the EU would have been the most beneficial
Instead it was a “Keep Turks out of Britain” campaign
You’re mistaking your wants with how reality works. How typical…
“The masses SHOULD be held accountable for their xenophobia and racism because they are rational people capable of empathy.” — And this, is reasoning fallacy. Masses are not some set of individuals. You can’t expect that masses will react as individuals comprising them, taken separately, would react, anymore than you can expect that sand from beach will be lightweight because single grain of sand is.
Mr Greenwald likes his action verbs: “spawned pervasive misery”, “spewed condescending scorn at their victims”. I understand his anger and I agree with his premise. But I fear we are in danger of building a knee-jerk vocabulary in which “masses” is always preceded by “the suffering” and “elite” is always preceded by “corrupt”. The language we speak determines the world we see and with this core vocabulary, the world we see is a simple world. Wealth is always evil. Intellectuals are always condescending narcissists. The mainstream media are corrupt stooges playing in the hands of a powerful cabal, as is the military. This is as deceivingly uncomplicated a world as the one built by the elites with their trickle-down economies.
This article – (link below) is not negating the point that the disaffected and the left-behind have extremely valid reasons for feeling the way they do and it certainly does not forgive the elites for their dancing-on-the-edge-of-the-volcano mentality. But it is less shrill and more measured. What I found interesting is the observation that the kind of backlash we are witnessing rarely arises when oppression is at its peak (2009) but rather when recovery has started but is not yet widespread, and relief seems to be always just out of reach. After working hard while suffering the whip of austerity in the UK, people still face stagnant pay while those who helped create the recession still reap fabulous wealth. Spark to tinder.
But at the end of the day, we in the democratic West are living in a rather privileged environment where my ignorance is as good as your knowledge (to borrow a phrase from Asimov) and I can bring the house down and reduce it to rubble if I want. The oppressed masses in the rest of the world should be as lucky.
http://nymag.com/…/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html
But that is exactly how it looks like for common people. Some folk graduates from university with ridiculous diploma which means nothing (yes, been there, done that — have at least so much dignity, to acknowledge that), and suddenly thinks he/she is above everyone else and an expert in every field even though his real knowledge and ability more often than not is well below secondary education of older generations. Or is given position in EU, do nothing, earns much more than hard working people, and thinks he/she can lecture them about how should they think. If he/she is not listen to – reacts with condescending epithets. And if you ask him about anything, even things he/she suppose to know, his/her knowledge is below level of Wikipedia. He/she only knows how to repeat slogans.
Great piece, Glenn Greenwald. Brexit is smart Britains telling the feckless EU to suck eggs.
Look, socialist elites are wrong, dead wrong. They operate out of a inverted reality that has never worked and brought pain and death every time it has been tried. What the West needs is a radical about face toward the God of heaven and His word in the Bible. It was the Protestant Reformation that gave America “pulpits aflame with righteousness,” and the Great Awakening which provided the impetus for the American War for Independence. The Charters of Freedom were forged in the pulpit of the Revolution. Liberty is the American Church’s, indeed God’s gift to a world under tyranny. Without righteousness, all of man’s attempts to right his circumstances are doomed to failure.
“Blessed is that nation whose God is the Lord!”
Much food for thought…thank you! Love the historical perspective, great references and parallels drawn to the current USA political landscape. Elitists are always dangerous…they are not “of the people”.
both the Brexit campaign and Trump campaign have been build what is essentially on Xenophobia and fear mongering – a narrative that politicians have been using for a very long time. This is just more of the same …
Glenn Greenwald’s usually concise and targeted analysis is absent in this article, replaced by a long-winded and repetitious denunciation of “elites” of various stripes. For what? Commenting on a wrong-headed vote by an older white retired demographic in the UK who were duped by right-wing xenophobes that the dirty immigrants were coming? “After 60 years in public life, my first reaction to Snowden leaks was rage. I was wrong.” Alas, Greenwald, famous for his interviews of Edward Snowden, denounced Snowden initially before he had taken the time to investigate. Greenwald suffers here from the same early reaction that he had on Snowden. Greenwald lives in Brazil, as far removed from the UK as any other armchair commentator. This role-confused article is not without its merits, but it’s a poorly edited and myopic answer to world-wide denunciation of the BREXIT vote. The facts speak for themselves: the BREXIT vote was a triumph for bigotry, nativism and right-wing fear-based propaganda that should never have been promulgated by David Cameron trying to save his own political credibility in the first place. Greenwald’s own credibility suffers from one of his worse journalistic efforts in memory.
Your response is a perfect illustration of just how accurate is Glenn’s diagnosis. This article is not about Brexit, but much wider and deeper process which can be observed almost everywhere in western world. It’s funny how typical is your response – you’re mistaking effects with causes, and then go on to usual self-delusional finger pointing and condescension.
Let me put this in some context. I’ve been warning that if nothing changes Europe would face xenophobia, racism, nationalism and other radical movements for more than a decade. Ask yourself – how could I know that? It’s actually quite simple. This is always the case when elites are trying to sell societies a lie. That’s it. You don’t need thousands of suicide bombers among migrants to incite racism in society. If you’ve spent past few decades aggressively promoting fairy tail that immigration and cultural diversity is the best thing in the world, completely devoted of any dangers and challenges, then you need just one and… thousands perfectly understandable voices of concern which you, with all stupidity and self-righteous arrogance, have been framing as racism. That’s just parable. Almost all western politics and media activity is done in this way. And Brexit is just one symptom of much wider disillusionment with elites.
Stellar Glenn!
Great read! One point, the whole “racism” point that I think is less about “racism” and more about the “financial burden” the elite class has forced upon the common class. The financial rebellion is being sold as racism. Families are going without while the immigrants are getting a free ride on the taxpayers labor.
“If we are victorious in one more battle … we shall be utterly ruined.”
A central tactic of the British ruling elites was to break up countries and cultures such as Palestine and The Lavant , India.
And now they have broken themselves up. They turned on themselves. In other words, they have cannibalized themselves.
Old habits die hard.
I mean, did European elites even care to discuss the problem of refugees and how to response to this humanitarian crisis with their societies? Did they even care to seriously address any of the issues that such mass migration brings? No. They just decided they would open the borders, and anyone who had some concerns was immediately the racist. And the same attitude can be observed in almost every serious issue that Europe face.
GG has hit the nail on the head …..again
i count myself in the group of the disaffected and full of spite
my hatred of usa main stream media is intense
a mistaken glimpse at a public monitor displaying any of the talking heads
from corp media makes me physically ill
if my hatred found an outlet i’d go for it
This article is pure liberal garbage, the UK citizens voted to leave.. There’s no one you can blame, not the “westerners” not bigotry, not homophobes.. If your citizens weren’t intelligent enough to understand what they were voting for than you have an even bigger problem trying to justify the idiocracy in your country than why they decided to leave..
@Galactus-36215, sorry for having to respond to your question here in the thread, opposed to below where you asked why 60% of Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Obviously the best way to find out would be to take a poll of those groups that voted to stay. Yet to add an insight which may have played a role, Ireland has a low corporate tax rate of 15%. Google and many other corporations have created offices, claim intellectual property patents, ect. out of Ireland. In the international corporate game of tax arbitrage Ireland gets a lot of taxes not having to do much and acting as a tax haven. Corporations also keep a lot of money, while other countries in the EU loose out (if this system didn’t work like it does). As a tax scheme, Ireland is to the EU what the Cayman Islands are to America.
Thanks Mark. Agreed. Taking a poll would be the best way. Absent of that, I posted another explanation that was an economic answer.
I’m very aware of the unique structures offered by Ireland. I’ve been involved in setting them up for companies I’ve worked for. It’s called a Double-Irish tax structure and allows for reduced taxes, best used for software companies.
Also, I know Intel and other US companies have invested there. I found articles stating the US companies had created 130,000 jobs there. Also, found out that the labor force in Ireland is only 887,000 person. Very small, so the Irish have seen huge influx of Jobs.
No wonder they voted Remain.
Cheers!
The arrogance of the elite which blinds them from the suffering I have witnessed every day since 2003… leaves me feeling incredulous and afraid. My concern for the very near future has me spending less time getting a good night’s rest… so puzzled by an indifference that I find incomprehensible that creates a unsolvable repetitive thought process with a truley horrifying reality…I may be next. I’ve lost a lot already…see what I mean?
In light of Brexit supporters offering Greece as an example justifying their position on leaving the EU, I was interested to see that Yanis Varoufakis, the former finance minister of Greece, supported Remain, but did so against other Remainers.
EU rules allowed capital flight out of Greece; Britain may very well face the same problem as international financiers attempt to punish the British people for their democratic decision (more reason to follow Corbyn’s lead and immediately invoke Article 50, rather than waiting):
Ultimately Varoufakis and Syriza was unable to effectively fight for the interests of the Greek public vs. the EU; and nothing in the above quote discusses the issue of capital flight under EU rules. Isn’t this just an “appeal to authority” that avoids the question?
See what Tariq Ali had to say about this:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31672-tariq-ali-syriza-is-not-doing-enough-for-greece
Really, if Britain wants to protect itself and not be “made an example of,” it will have to follow Jeremey Corbyn’s lead.
if i ran a coutry today, i would ditch the FIAT and trade in a gold backed currency. All the wallstreet banksters is FRONTRUN and SKIM like the thieves they are.
No.
That Yanis Varoufakis parses the issues differently, and arrives at different conclusions about Remain, strongly suggests to a non-economist such as myself that simply holding aloft the banner of Greece to justify Brexit is, at best, an insufficient argument. Presumably, Varoufakis has excellent insight into the economy of Greece and the motives and actions of Europe in regard to his country.
I’m no more qualified to understand the economics involved than I am to hold forth on physics. So, I tend to trust the view of those who are justly regarded as authorities on both topics. As far as I know, no reasonable person denies that Yanis Varoufakis is such an authority.
Mona admits ignorance?Wow,there’s hope for her yet.
I aint no rocket scientist either.:)
“busily applying its latest treatment of fiscal waterboarding…”
That’s spot on commentary. All of it.
Yanis Varoufakis, the former finance minister of Greece, supported Remain, but did so against other Remainers.
Sort of like Sanders trying to alter the course of the Democratic party….from within the party. And we’re seeing how successful that is/has been, even after he secured an unbelievably large portion of the electorate behind him.
These structures contain redundancies within redundancies supported by even more redundancies all aimed at maintaining the status quo. The repercussion of the vote WILL be dire. The power structures have manufactured them to inflict maximal amounts of pain, immediately, upon the slightest sign of resistance. So increasingly people are being forced to choose between the pain of destroying the system and the pain of slowly being consumed and destroyed by same.
All choices are horrible, but when the suffering reaches a tipping point – and no one really knows when/when that will be – then those who have suffered the longest are going to reach for their only point of consolation and will try to ensure that the suffering, if not the wealth, is spread as equitably as possible. It is going to get ugly because our elites WILL NOT WILLINGLY GIVE BACK anything they have stolen and claimed as their sole right to possess.
I’ve been saying this for more than a decade. One can’t do anything, this people never learn. Just read comments here. How many of them may serve as great illustration to many fine points made by Glenn is his article? Some people, not necessarily the elites, just can’t comprehend that you can’t beat human nature. I warned that this self-serving, smug attitudes would end like this, but nobody listened. It’s not so much about money thought, as it is about utter contempt towards people who think they know better, when in fact are nothing but self-righteous ideologues unable to comprehend even simplest matters beyond standard slogans.
Why Britain’s decision to exit the EU makes America safer – By Matthew Dunn, an MI6 operative
Excellent article … Germans have never given up on trying to dominate Europe despite losing two world wars.
“All wars are bankers wars”
that leaves Germany out of the equation as of 24 March 1933.
unless of course one equates Germany, having lost WW1, as being the owners of their currency which they were not since the signing of the treat at versailles in 1917 which handed the currency to something called the Weimar Rebublic.
thank you very much for the slow ball.
German domination?Hitler,yes,all others no.In fact they seem quite self absorbed and mind their own business,but for the crud Merkel.In fact pre 20th century,for a few hundred years,it was a the most peaceful part of Europe,its attentions were all internal,as in unification from a cluster of principalities.
It was the British who were into domination.
They are the most populous people in W Europe btw,Germans.
Well, the Brits did come here to dominate us, but had to swim back across when we chucked them all into the Atlantic. After that they went East and created a mess everywhere they went, till the Germans showed them their place. That way I have some respect for the Germans, except that they killed lots of Jews. I wish they had rather taken the help of the Jews and taken over Europe and the Middle East financially.
The Saudis would have have got so rich had the Germans thrashed the Brits. And they would have indeed, if the Japs were not so stupid as attack us.
So in the end it’s the Japs who are to blame for all this misery, despite the fact that those two nukes would have made a lot of Japs very miserable.
Many comments here just serve as great illustration of attitudes that this article so accurately depicts. I’ve been saying that this self-serving, smug, and lacking even rudimentary self-awareness attitudes of elites (and many delusional people in general population, which, so it seems, don’t get that you can’t fight human nature) would end like this for more than a decade. Nothing that happens today is any surprise for me. Congratulations, you gave us bright future, stupid f…
Thank you for your brilliance and fire, Mr. Greenwald. You are absolutely indispensable and a godsend in this current media and political environment. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
The flaws of internal UK policies have been scapegoated to the EU, and the immigration/xenophobic argument used to fuel and channel discontent, and cash on a very cheap and hugely damaging political point. Guess the election of a Muslim major didn’t go amiss either, in that regard. I am pretty sure most of the Remain voters have the same if not more grievances with the elites.
Yes, one problem (deliberately exploited by the elite) is that this has pitched Remainers against Leavers, instead of the people against the ruling class…
-just as we are supposed to have Democrats and Republicans at *each other’s* throats, rather than breaking up the big banks, undoing crony-capitalism, and spending billions in programs of social uplift instead of maintaining and expanding already-overblown militarism and surveillance.
The corruption of the establishment *is* the common enemy, both in Europe and in the US – but, even under these dire circumstances of inequality and despair breeding apathy and extremism, the people are not allowed to do anything united about it. As long as we are divided, the system won’t really change that much – because it doesn’t have to.
I live in Poland. I know many really well-educated, reasonably well-earning people, who, nonetheless, simply despise politicians and media establishment. This problem is much deeper than issues of inequality and working-class problems. The matter is clouded by coincidence of youth naivete with prevalence of formal education in this group. Nobody seems to notice, that today’s education, especially in humanities, is questionable, to say the least and in many cases amounts to everything but propaganda (think about courses with “studies” in the name, like women studies, race studies, gender studies etc.). And then we hear – only stupid, old, poor people could do something like voting for Brexit. It’s a lie. This is as much as anything the matter of intellectual corruption and arrogance. People simply cannot stand the likes of Claude Juncker, who constantly oversteps his authority, and lectures whole sociaties, when, at the same time, knows only one answer for everything: more integration, more Europe, more tolerance. It’s ridiculous.
I can’t fault any single word of yours.
Well said Maisie…
And who are the masters of divide and rule?
It is as you say…it is the way THEY want us…instead of uniting they know they can divide us…”A house divided against itself will fall.”
(Because we have allowed them to keep us ignorant…in believing their deceitful words and propaganda…and too afraid to stand up and say NO MORE.”
ps…this was playing when I read your comment…and so responded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oYuEMwu5I
Audiomachine – Final Hope
thank you
I found this article to be a real disappointment.
While I appreciate Glenn chastising elites, I feel the ugly political climate needs to be addressed. Glenn admits that: “All sorts of demagogues and extremists will try to re-direct mass anger for their own ends. Revolts against corrupt elite institutions can usher in reform and progress, but they can also create a space for the ugliest tribal impulses: xenophobia, authoritarianism, racism, fascism. One sees all of that, both good and bad, manifesting in the anti-establishment movements throughout the U.S., Europe, and the UK: including Brexit. All of this can be invigorating, or promising, or destabilizing, or dangerous: most likely a combination of all that.”
I don’t find these ugly tribal impulses as invigorating or promising at all. I’m very concerned about the way things are going. I don’t think the political climate has been this ugly since the struggles of the Civil Rights Movement. I was pretty young then, and fairly insulated from the worst stuff here in NJ. I’m not sure even the upheaval of the Sixties would compare to what I feel is a most dangerous mentality floating around.
We need to turn folks away from hatred and bigotry. We can’t let that stuff just fester away. It’s all well and good to criticize the “establishment” and the elites. But we have GOT to stop turning on each other.
I thought the article is one of Glenn’s best. As analysis it’s penetrating and insightful.
He doesn’t take a position as to whether Leave was the right result. He merely demonstrates great understanding of the forces that generated it and the reasons why the unwashed masses are justly angry.
Certainly he more than acknowledges the racism and xenophobia, and the distinct possibility that Brexit clears the path for vile demagogues and frightening waves of racism. The thing is, and as Glenn also knows, hatred of the Other is what almost always happens when the masses are immiserated as severely as has been going on in Europe and the U.S.
Myself, I don’t think there’s a clearly right or wrong answer to the Brexit issue. Everything Glenn wrote about corrupt, arrogant elites is true. It’s also true that in the process of repudiating them a flood of vicious Other-hatred is upon us.
@Mona –
First of all thanks for a thoughtful reply. I think it is instructive to a point that we understand the forces that are causing angriness of the masses, but I guess it just seems to me it’s been talked about quite a bit.
I guess my take is that sure, knowing they hate the elites is one thing, but there’s still this ugliness. Maybe Glenn is somewhat used to negativity thrown around (he’s gotten plenty personally as he once documented). But I can tell you I’m VERY concerned with this mentality around now. A couple of cousins and I really find the nutjob (I really hate using his name) and the mentality of some of those supporting him quite scary. I have also elaborated on my feelings below in a reply to barabbas. And I mentioned in another thread, I think that I had actually considered moving countries. Yes, that’s how concerned I am.
Yes, we do indeed need to repudiate those ‘corrupt, arrogant elites’. But this other-hatred concerns me very much as well. To me, the best way to stand against the elites is to stand together. I see this hatred and divisiveness not only is ugly and scary, but also counterproductive to the goal of resisting oppression.
Would love it if Glenn, or any TI author – or commenter – would write about bringing us together. To me, THAT would be the most on-point type of article. (note: I’ve written a bit about unity and could probably come up with something —— if and when..)
So I’ll just close and say I’m praying about the future now as I haven’t before.
You are right. Those on the extreme right supporting he-who-must-not-be-named have much in common with those building ranks on the left. There is much to be in solidarity about, and should this polarization cease,a and these groups find their commonality, especially in their humanity, the “elite” would be politically toppled tomorrow; as in Brexit’s example.
Yes, it is scary, not in a pretend way. The angst is escalating in the world.
@musefish –
Thanks for your reply and yes, you are also so correct — we need to find our common humanity. Did you ever watch Jesse Ventura’s show… I remember there was a doctor warning about dangers in vaccine additives. One thing she said was that “we” have numbers on our side and if we really raise our voices, TPTB do tend to back off.
Now, just to get folks to all join together…
So, you’re rich enough to move to another country, aye. :-)
@Martin –
I’m not sure what your remark is supposed to mean. Am I rich enough to move to another country? Actually I’m not sure. I didn’t get too far. I’m not sure where I’d be ok going. If I did move, Canada would probably be the best choice, but they seem to want to favor workers and I’m retired now. Plus the fact that in my case, moving house would be a very daunting prospect as I’ve lived in this place since the Kennedy Administration. So just imagine…
@#$%??? HUH?
hmmmm…. so your hubby is an elitist on the estabished road?
Cannibalism has many forms.
@Barabbas –
Well, for one thing, it’s just me, no hubby.
And if you think I’m siding with the elitists or the establishment, please think again. You’ve read many of my posts and you should know that’s not true.
But haven’t you seen the hate that’s around. One poster, here at TI on one thread said basically: “Diversity is genocide of white people.” How do you think me, a moggy (mixed race cat – so I love that term) felt when reading that? And There have been also more than a few hate filled posts at The Guardian. And I got sick of the one mailing list I was once on because I got tired of so many Islamophobic posts and this b.s. about “threat to ‘white Christian civilization.’
So think of how I’m feeling: Of course I don’t have good feelings toward the elite opressors. then there’s this other mentality that’s supposedly opposing them and —- well, opposes ME almost as much as anything. That’ s why I’m increasingly concerned about how things are going.
Ugly tribal impulses;There is only one tribe pushing ugly tribal impulses,and they are Zion.
America is a land of mutts,what tribe do we belong to?Even GB is n a land of mutts,with Scots,Welsh,English,Irish,and old Norman,Celtic, Viking,Frisian and anglo saxons,all melded by time into a nation,like America.
This is simply another in the many exhibits showing that you are an actual antisemite (as opposed to the faux variety that rightwing Zionists shriek about):
That statement is beyond preposterous. There is not likely a benign motive behind such an absurd declaration, and your history gives no reason to suspect a benign one.
@dahoit –
I won’t get into the Zionist thing, but you are correct about America being a land of mutts —- or as we felines say, “moggies.” What tribe do we belong to? The HUMAN tribe, of course :-) ! There are some who aren’t on board with that, but there are others (like the fellow on H. L. Gates’ “Finding Your Roots” who HOPED it was true that he had African-American women in his ancestry (and he did!). And if we still haven’t reached some stragglers, we might try feeding them. When I still taught it came about we had “Unity Day(s)” at the college. The most anticipated and enjoyed event was the multicultural luncheon prepared by students.
I just wanted to thank you for this analysis. I totally agree with almost everything you’ve said in this article.
Glenn, I thought it was going to be a good article. what happened?
He nailed it. Evidently you nodded off.
@Greenwald
The premise of your article states that the reason that UK voters voted to Leave the EU was a repudiation of Western political and media institutions.
If this is true, how do you explain the geographical voting disparity that voters front Northern Ireland and Scotland who voted to Remain. Can you explain why these voters then voted at 60+% rates to Remain in the EU?
I have my own ideas as to why this might be, but would like hear how you account for this voting disparity.
BTW, I strongly agree and find the article one of your best pieces. Having my oldest kid read it.
Scotland and Ireland have benefits from the EU that were peculiar to them: The EU’s dealing with Scottish and Irish regional parties has given the parties much more legitimacy and potency, allowing them almost equal standing with London; also,the EU has a regional development fund that provides billions of pounds worth of investment just for Scotland and Ireland, considerably outweighing the per capita funding for England. This is part of it, anyway.
Though many of the areas in the north of England and especially Wales and Cornwall receive significant EU subsidy, and they voted strongly to leave. In Scotland there is also far more emotional investment in the idea of being part of Europe and stronger support for what might be broadly termed social-democratic politics.
look at the map of people with degrees its identical to the vote to remain.give every one who voted for britex a free degree(and£30,000) then ever boys happy
“If this is true, how do you explain the geographical voting disparity that voters front Northern Ireland and Scotland ”
First, they are Irish.
Second, they’re Scots.
England still runs the UK.
Your comment explains nothing. People make their own choices. I’m merely asking why a positive vote to remain for them is a repudiation of the Elites. We’re talking about 3-4millon voters.
So, you’ve made an eloquent and compelling case, Glenn, but you haven’t told us (at least not in this piece) what the fundamental flaws are which the neoliberal elites need to address about themselves and their own policies nor what your own proposed alternative policy solutions are. I suspect that if I wasn’t new to your writing, I’d already know your answer, but since I’m not as familiar with your point of view, would you or anyone else here care to enlighten me? Thanks in advance.
you haven’t told us (at least not in this piece) what the fundamental flaws are which the neoliberal elites need to address about themselves and their own policies…
The flaws identified in the piece:
One wonders if you even read the article since he lays it out quite succinctly and at great length.
.. nor what your own proposed alternative policy solutions are.
One isn’t required to lay out elaborate policy solutions for every critique one proposes prior to making said critique. That demand is just a fallacious bit of nonsense designed to somehow lessen the seriousness of the critique.
Next year is 2017. A good reason to pick up a history book and read about what can happen when a lot of people become sad at the same time…
One of the best, and most emotionally engaging pieces by Glenn, and that’s saying a lot. I got totally worked up reading this. And the jabs, and swipes and uppercuts to the establishment media were particularly satiating in this piece, cause they kept coming, one after the other.
I enjoyed it so much.
For those who’ve never lived in the third world for an extended period, the only difference, as I see it, between the Third World and the First, is the enforcement of the rule of law. It doesn’t exist in the Third World. The rich and powerful get richer and more and more above the law, and the masses are dirt poor. And that’s what’s happening in the West now, as I see it, with the collaboration of the establishment media.
Brexit in Britain. Brexit Everywhere. Let’s Brexit!!
I agree 100%. This is one of the best articles I have read…ever. Fucking solid. Stand up work right here, great job GG.
Charles Davis just observed the same thing I have in my reading of media and observing Twitter. The Scottish and Irish left, people of color, and migrants in Britain overwhelmingly voted Remain.
Are they stupid? Do white people in the UK (outside of London), and white leftists in the U.S. know something these people don’t? Because what I see is that historically oppressed and marginalized people support Remain, while some white leftists– a majority here — do not.
I submit that, at a minimum, this reality needs to be considered and explained.
It may be that some of the people who see themselves as oppressed and marginalized, now, are not the same as those of whom you are thinking.
Ten Britons who Voted to Leave the EU
I don’t know what that sentence means, Doug. Nor do I see that the article you link to substantively responds to the questions I raised. But I did just see this on Twitter:
As best I can tell, Hasan, and most Muslims I’ve observed seem to have been Remain.
I don’t want to put words in Doug’s mouth, but maybe he means that White Brits can also feel oppressed and marginalized. If you’re poor enough, money in the hands of anybody who doesn’t look and think like you, can feel like oppression.
Also, I’m beginning to think that the reason all these Muslims and non-Whites voted for remain, is that the media made it out to be a battle between racists and everybody else, and totally disregarded that general disenchantment in the population. I don’t fully know what Brexit is all about, and I really do hope that somebody writes a lengthy honest piece about it. Maybe you could write something up for The Intercept Doug. Some sort of Reader Opinion. I’ve been meaning to ask your opinion on Brexit. Kindly think about it.
The media didn’t manufacture the racists and racism. And Mehdi Hasan is a journalist himself, one far too smart to be seduced by a media con.
My tentative speculation is that poor whites are doing what is so common in history when people are poor and immiserated: they are turning to hatred of the Other. That’s going on at least as much, if not more, than rejection of the EU as a financially oppressive system.
I further think that many of the celebrating white leftists want to pretend that a horrible tsunami of racism and xenophobia has not been built up and unleashed with Brexit. It’s possible that Leave is still the right result, but simple decency requires grappling with this other reality that looms large for darker-skinned peoples and other non-WASPS.
I’ll reserve my judgment on how smart I think Mehdi Hassan is, but I definitely don’t think he’s an impartial journalist. From what I’ve seen of his reporting, he has a bias, and it’s a religious bias, as far as I can tell. I’m not surprised he’s anti-Brexit. And I disagree with him on his general approach to political issues.
But I agree with you, that this Brexit vote, and this “alliance” between bonafide leftists and UKIP definitely deserves some thorough scrutiny.
That truly surprises me. Hasan is a practicing Muslim, but I haven’t seen that become particularly relevant in his reporting. Indeed, he’s done some of the best interviews and informative segments on various issues that I’ve seen in any venue. And that’s not praise I give lightly.
Moreover, and tho a reliable poll would be useful, as best I can tell Hasan’s position on Brexit is representative of UK Muslims per se.
You could ghostwrite for Kristof.
I agree with that completely — that left has a deep moral obligation.
Lol, just posted this same question. It’s a good question. I have my own ideas why No. Ireland and Scotland voted at 60+% rates to Remain.
BTW, I agree that the question should be answered as it punches a whole in the theory.
I’m deeply disturbed by the unabashed celebrating so many here are engaging in. A lot of very good people, people we generally consider friends and allies, are frightened and horrified that Leave passed.
That a clearly good and bad result is identifiable in this situation seems less than obvious.
Possibly. It may have passed, but we’ll have to wait a long time (possibly) till we know if it will actually happen. Should make for some interesting analysis for the next few years.
I’d love to know where this comment from the Guardian comments section is, as I’d post it here. But all I can do is link to the guy who tweeted a screenshot of this very worthy text.
That does make one think. Cameron has bequeathed a giant turd to his successors and the whole UK political establishment. What in the fuck are they gonna do?
“Unabashed celebrating”
Perhaps people who deeply want to believe in the various observations made in Glenn’s article. Of course, it could be the X-Files episodes I’m watching too. ;)
Btw, I apologize for insulting your intelligence yesterday. Normally when I say that sort of thing it’s because I believe it and I intend to sincerely convey to someone that they are not worth my substantive attention. But I don’t believe that about you and was just a bit cranky due to some bullshit going on at an entirely different site. (The one Doug thinks I love so much, which I actually find dysfunctional and where I should have entirely stopped trying to have a good experience last year.)
No worries. Apology accepted & given as well for my behavior and rude comments. Cheers
Take a sedagive.
Are you British?WTF does Britain’s self determination have to do with you?
Anything that hurts the new world order of feudalism is to be welcomed.
Every Zionist disapproved of Brexit.
The only nationalism they approve of is their own.
Respectfully, I’m not sure where you’re getting the notion that ‘white leftists’ supported Leave. The comments here? Glenn’s article (which is just an explanation for Brexit rather than an expression of preference for either side).
See Owen Jones, young UK journo, for example. The Labour Party and unions supported Remain.
I understand that far more Labour voters than expected supported Leave, but I don’t believe there was a left organization of significance campaigning on the Leave side – that was UKIP & Boris & Michael Gove, anathema to leftists of any color.
It’s so strange how may articles about Brexit you’re not allowed to comment on (and read the comments of others). What’s that all about. Weird…
Wow, Glenn, you have outdone your normally brilliant self. This explanation of Brexit helps me A LOT to understand my visceral response of joy to the vote. It scares the hell out of me that the elites will sabotage any good that might come from the vote, but at least you’ve articulated a way forward that avoids a WW II redux. We don’t HAVE to have another Hitler et al.
PS–I hate Josh Barro but didn’t know why until reading his Yuppie Scum quotes.
A few days ago MSNBC’s Kasie Hunt was behind a rope line as “presumptive” Democrat Presidential nominee Hillary Clinton waddled by with Rep. Nancy Pelosi. Hunt tried to ask her a few questions and Hillary completely ignored her and what was Hunt’s response?
Kasie Hunt laughed and said, “We tried. We tried. It is not an uncommon situation.”
It is also not funny.
Over 200 days since Hillary Clinton has had the guts to stand before a room full of journalists to answer questions for even 30 minutes. Questions she would not be given “in advance”.
Many very uncomfortable questions like, “Has FBI Director Comey scheduled an interview with you regarding the email investigation yet?”
“What is your response to Bryan Pagliano taking the Fifth in his Judicial Watch under oath deposition more than 125 times?”
You get the idea.
The MSM in the United States is NOT serving the American people. It is painfully obvious to everyone which master they are serving.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/catherinedunn/2016/06/22/we-tried-reporter-laughs-as-hillary-clinton-avoids-more-questions-200-days-since-her-last-press-conference-n2182235
Thank you for that. I read you often and respect your witnessing and observations.
Appreciate it….
Elizabeth Warren is also known to keep her public statements under her control, saying what she means when she means to say it, not letting the message out into the “wild,” where as Rachel Maddow discussed in her interview with Ezra Klein, the message runs the risk of being turned “stupid” by the commentariat and punditry who can’t help themselves.
One intrepid reporter asked Robert Reich around 2008 after the reporter had learned that as college students Reich and Hillary Clinton went on a “date” of sorts, discussing experimental education concepts, seeing a movie together, asking Reich if there was anything he could share that might indicate the sort of President she would make from that occasion. Reich, tongue firmly in cheek at the absurd request, said, she put an inordinate amount of butter on her popcorn. The world is full of stupid already. I don’t fault Clinton for not wanting to contribute more to it.
If the email investigation bears fruit, we will hear about it. Clinton’s under no obligation to throw fuel on a smoldering ember simply because someone’s Facebook feed is just dying for content.
Totally obvious to me that she is a bubbleheaded senile idiot.
And so is her doppleganger EW.
I sum it all up by saying that all of these actions by the wealthy and powerful, to destroy our economy and our society, are being done strictly on purpose. It is no accident what is happening on Earth.
“That reaction only serves to bolster, if not vindicate, the animating perceptions that these elite institutions are hopelessly self-interested, toxic and destructive and thus cannot be reformed but rather must be destroyed.”
You have nailed it, Glenn. Great essay!
Except that he does not follow it to its conclusion. This can go all the way to anarchism if people finally conclude that the state itself is the problem.
Great article. You did a great job here.
All true, every word. Except that the “elites” and elite institutions are a monolithic block or group. They are all different they represent different interests and they are motivated by different impulses. It’s surreal that the Brexit divorce will be negotiated by the same Conservative Party that failed. Big difference going forward if Jeremy Corbyn is the one at the table instead of Boris Johnson.
There are three people mentioned in this article who I think deserve
to be viewed with more skepticism.
Chris Hayes.
He is a establishment democrat operative who
(as is typical) says progressive things which lead people to believe
that he is something else.
Bernie Sanders.
He says lots of things which need to be taken to heart,
only he, as a democrat who has pledged his fealty to
that corporate owned party, clearly is NOT willing to repudiate
a party which has worked to create what he says he opposes.
Hillary Clinton.
She is Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger in drag
and the liberal hypocrite “intelligensia” who are conveniently
lacking memory of her well documented corrupt actions
are determined to rally around her in an effort to feel superior
to her twin brother in smug predatory spirit, Trump.
Beyond these notes, this is a good article.
Giuliani: Brexit a major setback for Obama, Clinton, Kerry (and Greenwald and Bevins apparently)
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4986153701001/giuliani-brexit-a-major-setback-for-obama-clinton-kerry/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips
i understand your skepticism, and goodly so. I am asking you to cut some slack for Bernie Sanders because he is the person with heart soul and power who can provide the USA with the greater deservance, under all circumstances.
Your worship of Sanders is problematic because it is
exactly what is NOT needed.
Sanders is no hero. His great failure is that he has already pledged
to support whoever the corrupt democrat machinery manufactures
as a candidate. The democrats are, to a great extent, a leading
source of the rot which Sanders has been focusing on and
WHEN,
NOT IF,
Sanders endorses Clintonian perversity as the preferred option,
he will have betrayed all of the energy, time, and money his
devotees have given him.
I do not think he is certifiably a fraud, but his effectiveness
as a democrat must be seen as highly suspect because he is
an anomaly within that corporate owned machine and because
he has sold short his own words by his promise to the party.
He has made himself the Howard Dean of 2016 and the
delusions of his devotees will not change that.
He needs to tell the democrats to go back to Hell and he needs to
tell his supporters to tell the democrats the same. At this point,
either way,
he is a self-made footnote in the rotting faking U$A and his only
salvation is to be found in his breaking of his previous pledge
to surrender his beliefs for the benefit of the corrupt party.
Truly, it is pathetically unlikely that he will now embrace integrity
because FEAR of Trump is the unifying democrat message
and FEAR of Clinton is not allowed by the machine.
As far as I can tell, the only party which is worth listening to is
the Green Party and, thanks to hypocrite democrat voters,
there is little reason to think the Green Party will be able
to gain many more votes than in 2012 when they received
about .05 of a percent of the votes.
The faking U$A continue to rot and the fumes seem to be
causing even more delusions.
You know what,
if anyone wants to believe
in Bernie,
In Hillary,
In Donald,
who the Hell am I to tell them differently?
I apologize for my foolishness and I hope I am wrong.
Well, we cannot write in the tooth fairy.
The chances for improving the planet might be the better if you do
write in the tooth fairy.
lol. you might be write about that.
BS has some nice attributes,but he seems to me another Zionist bubblehead with a head full of mush re the world.
He believes serial lies as gospel,and reveals his mediocrity,especially by voting for HRC,the worst possible candidate for America at present,another globalist warmonger for Zion,our bane.
yes. that surprised me.
Aptly stated. Thanks .
Thank you Glenn Greenwald for this brilliant analysis. I’m concerned that elite neglect of the working classes is having dangerous consequences for the fight against climate change. Can decarbonization proceed without society-wide cooperation? Quite clearly, it can’t. If American and UK elites could be so clueless about their own foundations that they didn’t see Trump and Brexit coming, what else aren’t they seeing? Hmm. How about the end of the world?
In simplistic terms this part right here sums up the way a great many average people feel right now.
Most are pretty certain a vote for any particular candidate will not much improve their lot in life nor that of their children. Short of drawing swords or pitchforks and making a run at those in power, a vote for something, or someone dramatically different from the status quo seems a reasonable option.
I feel like half of what Greenwald posts is insightful analysis and the other half a tantrum of how much dumber and more subservient everyone besides him is. Think we don’t understand how proudly anti-establishment you think you are, Glenn? Because, believe us, we do.
I’m not threatened.
It seems to me that Greenwald is a servitor of the Establishment. He is not a Morris. He is not living hand to mouth. He has done very well in this terrible society. Law school. Talks around the USA. He has a lot in common with Obama and Hilary. He makes pronouncements as if from Mount Sinai. What is not Establishment? The Enquirer might be said to verge on anti-Establishment. Is Amy Goodman anti-Establishment? Hardly.
But he has, and did for the first half of his life. He was raised by a single mom who worked at McDonald’s.
He lucked out in the IQ department, and so made it into an elite law school, and upon graduation worked for 18 months for Goldman Sachs’ favorite law firm. He hated it, left, and never looked back.
Until l’affaire Snowden, he was just a working schlub. The notoriety from that came with cash, but he did nothing but brave and important work to get it.
Whatever else is true about Glenn Greenwald, he was born and raised poor, and refused to whore his intellect in a way that would have made him a millionaire many times over by now had he stayed at that Wall St. law firm.
I know all this because I’m his friend and former law partner. I admire him a great deal.
Glenn is one fearless, uncompromising, beautiful, motherf**ker. But let’s forget about all that he does, and let’s talk some more about how smug he is, which is really what we should all be discussing, his attitude, and general lack of “civility.” Not his journalism.
Thanks, Mona. Interesting information. But my concern has to do with GG now and not back then. He has taken up the same Brexit Leave is bad that Kerry, Obama and Clinton have as well as the 400 rich who lost over 100 billion dollars. I have a fairly good grasp of English literature back to before Chaucer. Of English philosophy. Of English history. My grandmother’s father attended Oxford sometime before he immigrated to America in the 1880’s, and I have spent time there. Being mostly Irish I have little use for the English upper crust. But the plain everyday English person has my sympathies. And they write and speak well. My response to Leave has been a positive one. Why conglomerate everyone into something like the EU to begin with? According to my sources the CIA had a hand in forming the EU, as did Bilderberg and various fascists. Unlike Continental Europe Britain has always shied away from authoritarianism despite what Hobbes might lead one to believe. Magna Carta. Britain has more in common with the USA than it does with the rest of Europe. It rejected both Protestantism and Catholicism . . . Its actual motives for Leave are not reducible to bad, very bad or wrong, very wrong which is a superficial critique at best; or was it lost dollars? Finally birds of a feather do flock together. “Cash” puts one in a different class and not necessary a better one, and gradually a person becomes the antithesis of what he once was. For all I know Morris grew up in a wealthy family. Now he lives like a saddhu. There were good reasons for the vow of poverty. While its the love of money that is the root of all evil, many end up going from a mere affection to madly in love. Personally I think Leave was a brilliant move motivated by centuries of history and just what the globe needs. I hope you are the kind of real friend that lets the friend know when they are drifting in the wrong direction. If so then Glenn is a lucky guy!
Who is this “we” you purport to speak for? As for this:
Well, no, he’s not addressing anyone’s relative intelligence, but as to the subservience, yes, that’s true. Glenn is one of the least subservient people I’ve ever met. So yup, most people just are more subservient than he is.
Not sure why that should be a problem for you? [shrug]
Glenn “thinks” he’s anti-establishment? He’s not anti-establishment?
Most of us are here not because Glenn is smarter, but because those other people are subservient.
lay off those hallucinogens. or your mind’s going to keep going on in that circle.
Everybody knows the failures and problems of the EU Mr. Greenwald. That’s no secret, it’s also no secret that #Brexit was fueled more by xenophobia than those failures. To say otherwise is to try to whitewash #Brexit as being more noble than it is, and I say this as someone that sees nothing wrong with the UK breaking off the EU.
“To say otherwise is to try to whitewash #Brexit as being more noble than it is”
Except, Mr Greenwald didn’t argue that, at all.
In other words, you had no objection to the objective of the Brexiters- you were simply disgusted by the vulgarity of the proles who did the voting. How open-minded of you.
Obama and Greenwald & Hilary and Bevins all know that Brexit is bad, very bad and so is Trump. All four work for the men with Money. I prefer a pauper journalist like Morris. The Elitists and the elitists have had a bad week. The billionaires have lost a lot of money as though the world economy were nothing but airy nothingness that got mussed up like hair by wind and dust. To make matters worse the Russians are coming! Egads.
My wife was in a tizzy about her 401 k balance sheep after Brexit,as the MSM played up the interconnection of world markets.
This exactly why globalization sucks,as bad decisions by foreign criminals affects our dough,our retirement and lives.
A boon for bankster speculators,a pox on US.
It proves that the world economy is fictionalized. The decision of a relatively small nation should not send jitters through out the world’s various economies except the thing is already in deep trouble. So now they can blame it all on Leave and prove themselves to be the dummies they are. Your wife might get some comfort from reading the Sermon on the Mount. Good luck.
Everything you describe is inherent to elitism. It’s not elitism gone awry, Elitism isn’t something that can be fixed with better listening skills, it’s the very existence of elitism that inevitably leads to rebellion.
Whites are not qualitatively different from blacks. Heterosexuals are not qualitatively different from homosexuals. Christians are not qualitatively different from Muslims. Capitalists are not qualitatively different from workers. And leaders are not qualitatively different from voters.
I cringe every time I hear Obama use that phrase “we’re special.” Nobody is special. If you believe anyone or any group is special then you are by definition legitimizing bigotry and discrimination.
And I think this is at the root of the rebelliousness we see emerging. For decades now those in power have promoted various forms of elitism as a means of justifying power. But when their policies and programs fail and then the justifications they relied upon to enact those policies and programs are shown to be false, the fallacious paradigm of elitism crumbles.
With the proliferation of the internet and the access to information it provides, we’ve discovered that you don’t have to believe in God to be a good person, you don’t to be a heterosexual to be normal. You don’t have to be white to be smart. And sometimes prosecutors lock up innocent people. Sometimes cops become killers. Sometimes the banks rob people. Sometimes democratic nations bomb and invade innocent countries.
The elitists don’t really know any more than anyone else what is good for society. And if they’d accept that fact and quit trying to claim that they do then things might go a little better.
Well said. There’s isn’t anything inherently different about elitists, other than they think they’re better than others; more important to the mindset: rightfully so in their minds. Racists, bigots and authoritarians of all stripes carry this same disability as well.
Yes, and to which side did the Intercept’s reporting lean?
June 15 2016 (Mackey): Nigel Farage is a racist; The entire leave campaign is overtly racist.
June 16 2016 (Mackey): The phrase “Britain First” is used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a “fringe” group of “thugish”, “Muslim hating”, “far right”, “chauvinist”, “politician despising”, Brexit loving political party.
June 17 2016 (Greenwald): The phrase “Britain First” is once again used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a virulently right-wing, anti-immigrant, white-nationalist, pro-Brexit party.” The Brexit campaign is also characterized as largely comprised of “virulent”, “anti-immigrant”, “fear mongering” individuals.
June 17 2016 (Mackey): The phrase “Britain First” is once again used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a far-right, fringe political party by the same name. To further bolster the claim that right-wing, pro-Brexit, fear mongering parties were responsible for the death of Jo Cox, the author advances the argument that “mentally fragile” individuals (like Thomas Mair) are prone to being “pushed over the edge” by their rhetoric. This set the stage for vilifying another anti-Brexit organization, the United Kingdom Independence Party, who had no alleged connection to the murder of Jo Cox. But the author wasn’t yet done suggesting that the groups who supported Brexit, and their leadership (exemplified by Nigel Farage), were prone to violence. Lastly, the author uses a 2010 photo of Mair wearing an army surplus camo-jacket as proof that he has enjoyed a long association with Britain First (“Clear evidence”? Really Mr Mackey?).
June 22 2016 (Hussain); Mr Hussein advances the argument that “it has been the most xenophobic, [far-right] parties and individuals who have been most strongly campaigning to leave the EU.” He doesn’t stop there however. Rather he engages in his own brand of fear mongering that attempts tie the Brexit movement to a larger campaign of violent, anti-immigrant nationalism that is rampant on Europe’s periphery. War, economic disaster, the break-up of the European family, and the loss of peace and stability throughout Europe are cited by the author as a natural consequence of the UKs exit from the EU. Sebastian Mallaby, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, is even used to suggest that threats to integration from nationalist movements pose an existential threat to the CFRs pipe dream of an anti-democratic, global governing body of transnational capitalist elites. (Shame!)
June 22 2016 (Mackey): Attempts the re-frame the Leave/Remain debate as a battle between emotion and reason. To this end, he paints the entire Leave movement as irrationally self-destructive.
June 24 2016 (Mackey): Even in the aftermath of the referendum vote, the phrase “Britain first” is once again used to falsely tie the alleged murderous actions of Thomas Mair to a virulently right-wing, anti-immigrant, white-nationalist, pro-Brexit party” (although, for the first time, the word “first” is no longer being capitalized). The author wildly speculates that the pro Brexit vote will result in a “resurgence of dissident activity” in Northern Ireland.
June 24 2016 (Mackey): The author chooses to advance the argument that “the measure Britons just voted for ‘was an advisory not a mandatory referendum,'” only; “meaning that it is not legally binding on the government.” He then further paints a picture wherein the democratic aspirations of the British people are compared to a giant asteroid hurtling towards a moon.
The facts speak for themselves…
I don’t think the two categories are mutually exclusive.
No they need not be, yet here we are!
Everybody at The Intercept has to have the same opinion?
A lot of us are not from Britain. And we know nothing about the organic feelings about Brexit. We know what we get fed by the media. Until about a week ago, I was under the impression that only UKIP was Brexit, because it was a racist movement. I had no idea about the economic or any other side.
I’m not blaming you for your general irritation with those posts, and I do appreciate you pointing them out. I’m just saying, maybe you could give Glenn some latitude here.
If you are going engage me with the hope that I will fairly weigh the merits of your own concerns, then I suggest that you do not lead off with straw man arguments.
By “organic feeling” do you mean “bio-energy extrapolated multidimensional meaning”? Seriously, one does not have to be an EU citizen to use a keyboard and Google. The degree to which one is informed on any issue is only limited by lack of will and effort.
The Intercept’s lazy, spotty, and one-sided coverage of Brexit and Jo Cox’s death was governed solely by ideological bias. There was no “earnest, candid attempt to understand what motivated” the 17,410,742 people who ultimately voted to leave the EU. Glenn Greenwald’s current posture does not even closely comport with the anti-Brexit posture assumed by Mackey, Hussain, and even himself during the run-up to the vote. “Instead of acknowledging and addressing the fundamental flaws” of the Intercept’s own coverage of these two overlapping stories in the run-up to the referendum vote, Glenn Greenwald chose to shamelessly fault establishment journalists for doing exactly the same thing. If there was even a smidgen of room for latitude, I’d give it. As it stands, 100% of the stories written about Brexit by the Intercept could only ill inform public opinion in a way that would predictably (and hypocritically) result in anti-democratic outcomes.
there is another way to look at the EU SITUATION. the EU that i would have strongly supported would consist of student activists, environmentalists, anti-war activists (anti-NATO, anti American military bases throughout Europe)family farmers, organized labor, the L.G.B.T. community, representatives of the poor & lower middle classes, the elderly; who would have stood for a new United States of Europe; progressive, anti-austerity, pro family farms, anti-glyphonate & GMO’S, pro-peace, pro-worker, pro-environment
what we really have is an EU TOP HEAVY with INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS, AGRA-BUSINESSES, MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS, THE WEALTHY & POWERFUL THIS EU ( the current EU deserves to die a very quick death!
Extremely well written. Thank you Glenn.
Spot on! This is why I enjoy reading you, Glenn.
There may be some more bad news for the elitists. Nicola Sturgeon is organizing a second referendum for Scottish independence. The EU (along with most of the UK media, numerous foreign leaders, and all the major parties) were opposed. One wonders if any will switch sides- the EU will not want to give Catalans, Corsicans, Basques, and Padanians any ideas- to say nothing of South Ossetians, Abkhazians, Crimeans and Novorossiyans!
Also the UK is going to finally release the Chilcot Inquiry soon (after all these years!). Despite being packed with people who backed Iraq, it may damage Cameron, Blair and company.
Brilliant article! Thank you.
From my point of view, I would say this is the best piece I have read of yours. Well done…well thought out.
This superbly written and brilliant article needs to be circulated widely across all social media by as many people as possible. Twitter, Facebook, and definitely Linkedin.
I think your friend Sajid Khan is a bit disappointed with Brexit since it is going to stop the entry of terrorists disguised as refugees into London.
Nice try, the only terrorists are you and your Zionist nation breakers and refugee makers.
Sad but true, that Muslims are killing each other more than anyone else.
All for Zion.
Why not destroy NATO and the EU? One stopped serving any useful purpose in the 1990’s, the other was never needed to begin with. What is Asia’s NATO equivalent? Or EU equivalent? Bilateral treaties and trade negotiations seem to have worked perfectly well…and Asia is a much tougher neighborhood than post-war Europe.
Another organization that is totally useless is the United Nations.
I think very soon many countries will wonder what they are doing being its member. It has recently tried to discipline some wayward member countries by bombing them to oblivion, but it seems they are not learning, and meanwhile some of the other powerful member countries are actively encouraging the smaller countries to exhibit defiance. Take for instance Adel al Juber, the deputy minister of Saudi Arabia who stated many times that Assad has to go, but Assad stays on thanks to the belligerence of Vlad Putin and Xi Jin Ping. Under the circumstances, UN is totally defunct and needs to be scrapped, even before EU. Juber even threatened to sell Saudi assets worth near one trillion dollars if we sue the Saudis for killing Americans by sending terrorists. Trump is going to bring that fellow here and slaughter him at the foot of Washington Monument as only he can.
If anything makes the UN worthless, it’s the all bark no bite attitude it has towards the biggest terrorist nation and number 1 UN resolution violator in the world, Israel.
Israel is a very small island of virtue trying hard to survive within an ocean of terrible Islamic terrorists. This is a huge challenge.
What about US?Since the 60s we’ve killed more innocents than anyone,our list of illegal wars of aggression should have us sanctioned as no state before.
The Israelis are amateurs,at least compared to US.
@General Hercules
“…but Assad stays on thanks to the belligerence of Vlad Putin and Xi Jin Ping.”
First of slick, it’s Xi Jinping, not Xi Jin Ping.
Second CIA contractors chucking hand grenades up and down mainstreet Syria is the cause of the war, not Assad.
Putin is the only clear headed Diplomat in the world today.
Belligerence is not a word I would use in describing Putin.
How about peace maker, in spite of American arrogance.
And the witch Hillary calling him a Hitler. BTW is the corrupt American FBI ever going to proscecute that crazy woman.
Putin is a willing participant in the goal of world peace, in the naked face of American aggression…how many wars since 911.
How about helpful, to American foreign policy, in the cause and effect of his sorties through Syrria wiping out those dreaded strongholds of the jihadists and ISIS…hm.
His willingness to seek a democratic solution in Syria as compared to the usual American solution of assasination, seems just and right.
Putin has made many mistakes, but he has redeemed himself to a very large extent by publicly recognizing the genius of Donald Trump. I personally think all the terrorists, including those belonging to Cage like our Anonomus here, are going to feel the full fury of our combined anti-terrorism action very soon. Meanwhile, we have to confiscate all the ill-gotten wealth of George Soros and use it to rehabilitate all the refugees and keep them in Turkey instead of allowing them to wander aimlessly all over and rape little children in swimming pools.
“Putin is the only clear headed Diplomat in the world today.”
And the only adult. The rest are in diapers, passionately clinging to their favorite cuddle toys.
And all the diaper wearers hate Putin.
Excellent work Glenn. Spot on analysis as well.
To so many Americans (and perhaps Brits), this information is blatantly obvious and has been for decades. It makes one wonder how those in the establishment have been unable to see it when they have been given warnings time and again. Was it willful ignorance? Or can they just not consider the idea that they may either be wrong or that other people can come to a different conclusion?
When you are in the lower socio-economic class, and havent seen wages rise for decades, while cost of living goes up and jobs go away from globalization, trade deals, and automation, how should such people feel when wave after wave of low and unskilled workers, who they will compete with, come in (especially illegally). Now these citizens (and their children) must compete with more people for even few jobs, while paying taxes to help support the new immigrants while no one is helping them. And the people who force such things upon the masses cannot comprehend why those affected would be angry or against such actions? The actions of the government has consequences and for far too long the people in Washington have not had to pay for their actions beyond vague idea of being voted out (and later getting a lobbying job or cushy job with one of their crony corps).
Obama and Biden have responded to Brexit, providing some weekend comic relief:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brexit-obama-eu-referendum-political-fall-out-biden-a7101851.html
Sounds like the general in Apocalypse Now – no, Mr. Biden, good does not always triumph, sometimes the dark side takes over what Lincoln called “the better angels of our nature” – just look at the the results of US actions in Iraq, Libya and Syria, or the US-supported Saudi assault on Yemen, if you doubt that. Biden could have had the grace to apologize for his administration’s idiotic regime change games in Libya and Syria that did so much to destabilize Europe with a flood of refugees and the rise of ISIS – he could at least say “I’m sorry we were such short-sighted fools.”
For more rolling-on-the-floor amusement, we can now turn to the Salesman-In-Chief:
Commitment to democracy! Sure, Obama, that was really seen in how you and the Saudis helped crush the Bahraini pro-democracy protests. Selling record volumes of arms to the least democratic regime in the Middle East was another example of this, I suppose?
And the “special relationship” – like that between Bush and Blair, the cooperation on the lies about Iraqi WMDs seen in 2003? Obama and Cameron tried to leverage equally bogus claims about “Syrian chemical weapons attacks” into an expanded war with Syria in 2013. (All the evidence since then points towards those attacks being the work of ISIS-linked groups using raw materials acquired via Turkey.) At least the British Parliament refused to go along with Cameron’s Blair-like war plans and Obama didn’t dare bring the agenda before Congress out of fear of the same result. Too bad, war pigs, you lost that round.
As far as NATO? Nothing but a leftover Cold War dinosaur sucking down American taxpayer dollars in order to keep the generals employed and maintain the profits of arms dealers. Cornerstone of stupidity and greed, more like it.
The only good news is that this clown act will be wrapping up in five months or so, to make way for the next group of circus performers . . . who will likely be an even richer source of bullshit.
The special relationship between the UK and the US which Obama refers to probably comprises mainly… arms dealers, Big Oil, banks, interventionist military actions which serve corporate interests, and of course the GCHQ’s high-stature position in the NSA-driven ‘Five Eyes’ international-surveillance Alliance.
It’s offensive to listen to Biden and Obama pretend to be philosophical, caring statesmen, when they’re both morally hollow public-sentimentalists whose actual behavior and loyalties have resulted in countless deaths, massively-increased militarization of law enforcement, and untold miseries in the US and around the world.
Jill Stein 2016
so much for “the better angels of our nature” … history tells another story.
Lincoln famously said: “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union … I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free”.
Lincoln exercised his executive powers to arrest and detain thousands of suspected secessionists – without trial. As a matter of national security – regardless of the ‘rule of law’.
During his presidency, Lincoln sought to silence newspaper editors that spoke in opposition to his policies. At one point, he went so far as to jail uncooperative editors – without due legal process – just because they were critical of him.
hmmmmm – better angels indeed …
Hypothesis: liberals and progressives have much in common with the Global Elite they hold a similar ideology but lack the money and power people with intellectual jobs like academics and journalists naturally take up this ideology in order to survive grants gifts and a job if you don’t have your own money then you serve the interests of those who do have money so those at the top who are not necessary very smart or gifted draw on a few they can round up who are more gifted to know what to do and say and then order the underlings to get in line intellectual power is not wisdom many ordinary people are both smarted and wiser than those in academia though they may not know all the details a PhD can be like a mill stone around the neck an academic job can be a sentence to falsehoods and pretend knowledge not very inspiring is it? I mean how does any one really know how Brexit will turn out or what kind of President Trump might be? How great was George W.? How great was Bill C.? America does not produce great presidents. America does not produce many great intellectuals even. Secularism is like a dead toad. Maybe a Chinese herbalist can make something of it? If I were an intellectual or a liberal or a progressive I would do some soul searching and see what is in it. it is hard to grow up in the USA and not be pretty much programmed and trained. years ago your ability to know what is truth was stolen and now you are their puppet and you do not even know it sorry
Trump will be a horrible President. Because he is the very type people are revolting against. A hyper wealthy person whose more interested in enriching himself than helping anyone else. He has told you repeatedly who he is: Americans are overpaid, wages are too high. He had a whole book detailing his personal greed. And people really think he cares about them are deluding themselves.
NOT TRUE. Donald Trump is running as an anti-establishment candidate as is Bernie Sanders. That DT has money is inconsequential. In fact DONALD TRUMP JUST TOOK THE MONEY OUR OF POLITICS AND WALLSTREET & MADISON AVENUE ARE FREAKING OUT.
Spot on analysis, Glenn!
The Brexit decision, a statement that may or may not become law for at least two years, has emphasized the failure of a global corporate governance agenda, headed by a technocratic elite, an idea that was set in motion ever since the Carter administration in the 70’s. After forty years of middle class decimation and the creeping privatization of the public good, outrage has reached zenith proportions enough that even the IMF has finally admitted or at least questioned neoliberalism’s colossal failure.
Keeping power decentralized and local gives people more control over their lives. EU departures are going to come fast and furious, further impeding their global agenda to dissolve the nation-state.
“If European nations regain control over their own affairs and resort back to national sovereignty, the agenda of the shadow elite in the form of destroying nation-states and building a global empire will be severely impeded.” ~ Ralph Nader
“Of course, the vote had nothing to do with Putin or Russia. But the liars are going to try to make the British feel that they betrayed England and gave Russia power over Europe. Russian spokesman Dmitry Peskov replied to the nonsense: We are accustomed to “the Russian factor” as the explanation of all events in the universe.
The British people might think that they are out of the EU, but they are not. They have a long hard fight ahead. Washington and the British political and media establishments that serve Washington are not going to let them leave.” ~ Paul Craig Roberts
If it weren’t for the US imperialist neocon foreign policy, we wouldn’t have an immigration problem! Their reckless war profiteering created an unprecedented 65.3 million refugees!
The world is demanding a new economic and foreign policy direction. Bernie’s policies have been lauded by top economist Thomas Piketty, who has fully endorsed him. Bernie is actually in a VERY good position at the moment. Change must occur now in order to avoid the very real possibility of a nuclear calamity with Russian in a Hillary presidency:
HRC would probably choose Victoria Nuland as her SoS or National Security Advisor, wife of neocon guru Robert Kagan. Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott in Bill Clinton’s administration. She served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to VP Dick Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO.
“She was the main architect of the coup in Kiev in February 2014 that overthrew the constitutionally elected government of the Ukraine, thereby commencing the whole sequence of confrontations with Russia and the full-throated demonization of Vladimir Putin that has followed.
Needless to say, overthrowing an elected government on Russia’s front doorstep——and thereby rekindling ancient tensions between the nationalistic Ukrainians and neo-Nazis who seized power with Washington’s help and the Russian speaking populations in the Donbas and Crimea——had nothing to do with the safety and security of the American people.
It was a straight-out imperial reach designed to bring the Ukraine into NATO and to extend Washington’s hegemony to the entirety of the old Warsaw bloc geography. So doing, Nuland almost single-handedly restarted the cold war and pulled the US and Europe into a dragnet of costly economic sanctions that are completely pointless and unnecessary.
And Hillary Clinton has been onboard for this misbegotten campaign from the get-go.”
As for the mediaocracy:
People are so quick to analyze Trump and ridicule his “psychological delinquency”, but those that colluded to make HRC the nominee are the ones who really should be dissected and studied. The farcical architecture involved to create the illusion of democracy all campaign season long is a testament to their collective delusion.
The daily pundit banter – farce! Wolf Blitzer’s walk to the ‘magic wall’ – farce! The never-ending “tie” that would stretch into the late night for ratings – farce! The avalanche of articles written to urge Bernie out of the race – farce! The AP premature announcement that she’s already won – farce!
ALL of it, a shameless spectacle of complicit deceit. How they must be laughing during the commercial breaks at how gullible the American people are! What a colossal waste of meaningful productivity. What exactly are they getting paid for? There needs to be a serious psychological analysis of the orchestrators of this mockery. Trump is just a symptom of the widespread, greed-riddled sickness that pervades the self-aggrandizing technocratic elite.
While I think you make some good points here, I think you take the problematic dynamic you describe and invert it, so that now instead of being about “those ignorant bigots!” it’s about “those snobbish elites!”. And let’s be honest, even you are writing this as something of an outsider, it’s not like you can say these people are your drinking buddies and you totally get the sentiments they’re expressing – so you’re also projecting your ideas on to them, you’re just casting them in a more noble and misunderstood role.
I don’t mean that as an accusation, it’s not like I have a better approach to fully understanding other ideological groups. I think this idea of building bridges between opposed groups in today’s global world is very, very difficult. It was easier when we could all just say “Heck, fuck you outsiders, we hate you and you suck”. Now we’re supposed to be true to our ideals and opposed to those who oppose them but still somehow claim cred for ‘getting’ The Other, whoever that may be. This is logistically incredibly difficult. I mean I grew up in a kinda belligerent-populist-libertarian-conservative area. It makes me feel a bit betrayed when, after years of ‘liberal types’ being the ones who encouraged me to broaden my horizons, consider new points of view, look beyond what was sometimes very harsh close-mindedness, that instead of them applauding what *they themselves* encouraged me to do, now it’s turning into this “Oh, oh, you don’t get it, you’re not in touch with The Common Man, which we assume we are (Look, I am drinking a Pabst Blue Ribbon. This is the drink of Your People, no? I know this because I am Totally In Touch With You) that’s so terrible!” sentiment.
On the other hand, I realize that people are people and beyond the “topics you should never discuss” – religion, politics, and out-groups, maybe – in some ways I think of the people I grew up with as warmer, more community oriented, and more involved with others than the kinda “don’t make eye contact” urban environment I’m in now. They’re really good people. Nothing is ever one sided and people do have their reasons for coming to certain conclusions, even if we don’t like the conclusions themselves. So I also balk at the opposite pole here – i.e. Harris’s approach (sorry to Harris, let me reaffirm here that I like him on other topics) of insisting we should just lambast people with arguments about how ignorant their beliefs and way of being are and expect that to go swimmingly, without ever addressing maybe how they got to that point or where those ideas came from, in terms of causality.
There has to be a happy medium there but I’m not sure what it is. Sometimes people do have bad ideas and cultures have problematic features that should be challenged – on both sides. But I think this is very hard to do in a productive manner – staying true to one’s ideals while relating to other points of view. We live in numerous geographically distant but electronically connected global communities (vs. the old local townships) where rallying around a distant ‘bad group’ is very easy and a convenient way to build cohesiveness. Divisive sensationalism sells, and good luck getting rid of that dynamic with pragmatic appeals to the greater good – money talks and all that. Once people get into their camps negative views become self-perpetuating – “See, a camp mentality – totally xenophobic / elite and snobbish / whatever – I told you!”. And once people just care about winning over a perceived enemy, it’s human nature to not really give a crap about whether or not that ‘win’ even makes any sense, it’s still score one for ‘your’ team. The most positive thing I can say here is that maybe after a few spectacular blunders like we’re starting to see globally, the problems of this dynamic will become self-evident and self-preservation instincts will start to take over. If you’re a football fan you cheer for your team, sure, but you don’t cede from the NFL thinking this means you ‘win’ because you told *everyone* to go fuck themselves. At some point it becomes pretty obvious when tribalism is a means without any coherent ends other than to spawn more tribalism.
It’s not really about tribalism or xenophobia, those are just knock-on effects. The EU rules were set up to allow the free flow of capital around EU states with no interferences by once-sovereign nation-states with democratically elected leaders.
In practice, those EU rules allowed certain interests to enrich themselves by driving some sectors of the EU into poverty and austerity; that’s probably the central cause of the backlash, though it was certainly exacerbated by the idiotic militarism in Libya and Syria, in which France and Britain have been active participants – all eyes on the oil, as usual.
You’d think Europe would have learned about the dangers of mass wealth inequality and enforced austerity from the French Revolution, or from the post-World War One period, but greed springs eternal, it seems.
I don’t claim to know what it’s really about one way or the other, I was responding to the ideas in this specific article though.
I don’t know who Mr. Greenwald’s drinking buddies are, and I doubt you do either. But consider that David Miranda, who is running for Rio City Council, may be one of his drinking buddies. Recently Mr. Miranda has taken to tweeting statements such as:
So Mr. Greenwald may have been corrupted. I don’t know if he has become an out and out class traitor, but it’s possible he believes his own invective against the elites.
Who his drinking buddies are? I’m pretty confident in my assumption that they are not the people he’s writing about here. And David Miranda is a kinda-celebrity who’s life is being featured in a Hollywood movie so I don’t see how his making such statements is any different than the standard privileged liberal fare. Again, it’s not that I don’t often support such ideas, but liberals often have to deal with the paradox that the ‘little guy’ whom they purportedly support sometimes kinda, you know, hates them. The typical liberal response to that is usually either assigning benighted motivations or calling people stupid jerks. I think the conservative response of just saying “Of COURSE liberals are stupid jerks, case closed” is more unifying and streamlined. It prevents all this in-group finger pointing and hand-wringing.
The right-wing establishment is currently trying to direct people to blame everything on Islam rather than the US/NATO/Zionist war machine that gave birth to ISIS and caused disability in the middle east which lead to the refugee crises. This is what I see candidates like Trump doing. They will use tragedies like the Orlando shooting to continue this narrative. ” See I told you! The middle east isn’t messed up because of western involvement, it’s just because muslims are violent savages. See what happened in Orlando!” Meanwhile the real problem is western global capitalism that causes war and inequality throughout the world. If you could convince nationalist that less war and more equality in the world would lead to less migrants (which is true) than you could direct some of that xenophobia to serve a good purpose.
The right wing establishment knows its crowd pretty well. A crowd of self righteous citizens who can quickly forgive themselves for their own way more numerous mass shooting incidents per year. And a crowd who conveniently forgets that this Islamic world that seems so violent is always at the receiving end of Western aggression.
We have establishment people on the left and right who are dominating the discourse and steering people to support or at the least overlook western aggression. On the left you have people who blame everything on “white privilege. ” They rather pay attention to inequalities within their own country and bring issues like transgendered bathrooms to the forefront meanwhile people are starving and getting killed in other countries thanks to neoliberal western policies that are supported by both democrats and republicans alike. They will vote for Hillary simply because she’s a woman and not pay attention to the fact that she’s a psychopathic warmonger who loves sending drone strikes on people in the middle east. “At least she’s not Trump,” will be their only line of argument. On the right they blame islam and political correctness but never attack the western policies that created ISIS and spawned the refugee crises in the first place. They are being seduced by people like Trump into supporting authoritarian measures thinking that will solve their problems, but it will only make things worse in the long run.
You are missing a crucial element;Trump is the only one to call our misadventures in the ME stupid,and those who led them liars.
And to not recognize Orlando as something to avoid,by screening those who perpetuate such acts,reveals utter disregard for reality.
Open borders in a time of international terrorism is seppeku,and all those who back those open borders,enablers of terror.
You nailed it Glenn. Thanks for saying it more eloquently than I’ve been able to.
Yes. Thank you, Glenn.
Yes, bravo!
Yes. Thank you, Glenn. I will be sending this to friends.
I fear that Mr. Greenwald’s recent coverage of the political situation in Brazil, may have contributed to his unfortunate skepticism of the elites. It is true that President Temer’s brave battle against the corruption in Brazilian politics may at times veer into territory that could be described as self-serving, but this does not mean that all elite technocrats are trying to deceive the people by disguising that their true goal is personal power.
I confess to writing a previous comment that may not have cast the elite in the noblest possible light. But that was an emotional reaction, after reading this article. Cynicism can be contagious, but after reflecting on the countless selfless sacrifices that the elites have undertaken on the people’s behalf, I am inclined to be more generous.
British MPs overwhelmingly support staying in the EU. Yet they generously granted the people a say in the matter, in spite of knowing that democracy doesn’t work. Perhaps they should be criticized for this lapse in judgment. But the error was made in good faith – they simply assumed that the general public would be as obedient as usual. Their belief in the people, although it may have been naive, was ultimately due to their idealism and nobility of spirit. This doesn’t excuse them, but it should give us pause, before throwing the first stone. I think the elite have learned their lesson and they won’t repeat the mistake of making an important decision democratically. So we should look forward, not back, and give them a pass in this case, just as we have given them a pass for all their other misjudgments.
Will the UK breakup and the EU breakup? Possibly, but that will simply make the United States a more important force in Europe. This is a good thing, and so by fortunate coincidence, a series of mistakes and misjudgments may end up producing a positive result.
Benito, I hope you were being sarcastic when you wrote:
“…but after reflecting on the countless selfless sacrifices that the elites have undertaken on the people’s behalf, I am inclined to be more generous.”
Because I know you understand that this group of Sherwood Forest bloggers fully comprehends things like the elites foundations are the wealthy’s greatest tool to hide the money they have stolen from the treasury and labor. On top of the initial theft and the avoidance of taxes, they benefit from the time value of money so they can buy politicians in perpetuity.
BM – you are hilarious.
… i’m considering my legal options re. my sore jaw and ribs – from laughing so hard.
Limousine Democrats are famous for sneering “low information voter”, “low IQ” and “trailer trash”, and are totally flummoxed as to why these folks vote Republican “against their interests”.
Brexit is real, Trump is fake. That’s the difference between British and American democracy. Clinton will be the next president of the U.S., from which aerie she will be able to widely contemplate the chaos that she and the other “hawks” have wrought across the Greater Middle East region and beyond, and which for some time now has erosively been spilling, nay flooding over the EU, Russia, even into China. The disintegration of the Middle East nation state is both inversely and perversely reflected in the imperiled condition of the supranational European state, with the UK’s defection from the latter being a most astonishing example of a perfect circularity of consequences: The Bushite-Blairite grand plan to transform (i.e. destabilize) and refashion the Middle East nation state in the image of an ‘enlightened’ neoliberal post- and supranational order may ultimately prove to be the concept that as praxis seeded the whirlwind that set in motion the collapse of the neoliberal pro-Nato European Union edifice itself.
I hope the UK leaves the EU as soon as possible for many reasons. Keeping Germany and France calm about each other for so long was why I had previously supported the abstract concept of the EU, but in concrete it is too corrupt and has now earned itself a rather shitty track record in the War and Peace department. Giving Tio Sam’s Stasi a few more headaches is not a bad thing either.
However, not much good will come of this. Yes, The City may get a cold but that will not herd whale pods into LSE ethics classes or make The Heart Of Darkness a less appealing tax shelter for garchs and head chopping dictators. Nor will it result in MEP introspection, as the article points out. It seems a good decision was made for some bad reasons. The most glaring example is that fleeing refugees was a bigger factor — refugees created by the wars many leave voters continue to support — than EU corruption and its hearing impairment.
An analogy is Brazil’s pro-corruption demonstrators demanding another coup. Mine is only an unwashed’s opinion, but it seems the refugee create n hate leavers, like pro coup Brazilians, are not against coruption, they simply pine for traditional state sponsored racism and hope fresh, more illiberal rulers are going to help them avoid rubbing shoulders with roosting chickens. (It won’t work.)
Of course, nothing is as simple as any post-it, even Mona’s.
In fairness to millions of reasonable Brits, some of whom were asked by pollsters in 2002-2003 if Regime Change was as desirable as a pack of Freedom of Choice from 7 – 11 , a healthy majority said no. Actually, I recall a cold day February day in London when Harold Pinter and hundreds of thousands of others said something more akin to “fuck no”. I am guessing some of these reasonable people voted to leave for mosque unrelated reasons.
Either way this vote went, bad things were going to happen and they will, but at least the pain distribution system’s invisible magic hand will spread it around to a few toffs who will finally earn something for the very first time in their lives. This has value.
bad things?
Pain is everywhere. It is always the case that elites will offer bad solutions to people who work to end pain only to end up trading away their pain for a worse predicament which becomes more painful. Much of the time, people used to know in advance what the tradeoff was. But now the lawyers and their wealthy pimps pass laws in secret to rob populations because these elite predators know very well the populations would reject their elitist remedies. So it is now the case that things having gone so wrong for so long, all the populations feel is the pain – and with BRexit, they rejected the source of the pain.
There will be other pains to suffer, BUT THEY ARE NOT BAD PAINS.
I would just like to add my voice to the chorus to thank GG for this outstanding analysis. And submit a copy of a comment I posted in response to this article at The Tyee on Brexit from a somewhat different perspective.
@photosymbiosis
Not that I’ve seen. And your attempt didn’t make a great deal of sense. Why is it the case that, but for the EU, the financial elites and/or banks could not have so harmed Greece? You seem to reduce it to that with the EU rules in place Greece had to allow freedom of travel into and out of the country, as well as capital flow.
So, is that the extent of the reason that the EU was able to so harm Greece? Things would have been fine if Greece could have sealed its borders, and not permitted any capital to leave ?
It’s beyond reasonable dispute that Europe, and especially Germany, behaved abominably toward Greece. But what I don’t see is how that would not have been able to happen with or without the EU.
Banks and financial elites have been fucking up people since before the EU, and will after it. I am skeptical of all the rush to claim all of this recent skulduggery occurred because, and almost only because, of the EU. I find that hard to believe.
theguardian*dot*com/world/2015/jul/03/greece-overspending-defence-wages-taxation-economic-crisis
I believe,per EU rules, each country is required to have approved budgets. The Greek were cheating on their budgets and overspending. They fill the budget gap is with cheap low interest loan s as the 2008. Old apse happened. They were not prepared.
I’ve attached a Guardian article for your interest.
bloomberg*dot*com/news/articles/2011-05-26/greece-cheated-to-join-euro-sanctions-since-were-too-soft-issing-says
A former ECB economist states here they cheated but the Elites allowed them too as they were too Polite to call them on it.
So yes, the Elites assisted or at least abetted the Greek financial crisis.
Old apse = collapse
Accidental period after 2008. Oops
What part of “Without EU rules, Greece would have been able to freeze the assets of banksters involved in creating their debt bubble and collapse” is so hard to understand? You really have to look abroad for any discussion of this, however:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/capital-flight-southern-european-money-migrating-north-to-safety-a-818436.html
These unregulated flows of capital have had many negative effects on Britain, such as driving up housing prices in and around London, forcing out the middle class:
The effects within Greece were equally devastating:
But this paragraph is pure beauty, becuase they quote someone named Faust, in terms of how Greece was unable to stop this capital flight:
That’s from 2012, but I think it explains much of the austerity and wealth inequality that EU rules have facilitated.
The points you make on capital flows are good ones. But fiscal constraints of simply being part of the Eurozone were very significant.
Traditionally, fiscally irresponsible countries such as Greece, run up large debts. They then print money to pay the debts. This had the side effect of running up inflation and wiping out savings (of anyone who lacked the foresight to stash their savings overseas). And it unfortunately created losses for the banks.
Under the Euro system, this all changed. Greece’s choices were limited to defaulting, or accepting whatever terms the German banks imposed on them. A default would have caused the collapse of the Eurozone; Germany ruled out that option. So Greece was obliged to restructure its economy to the satisfaction of the banks, eliminating needless waste such as (much) social spending. This upset a small minority of purists who believed that countries should be sovereign with a right to self determination. However, German banks know what’s best for Greece, at least to a greater extent than the Greek people do. So these concerns were largely invalid. Best of all, the banks did not lose any money.
Of course, the entire system is unstable and will eventually collapse – but I don’t think anyone should worry about that.
Quite possibly one of the best outlines of this entire imbroglio that I’ve read.
I’m no more prescient than the next plebe, but this specific disconnect between the rich and poor and the disparate economies and societies they inhabit as a result of the 3rd Way “New Democrat” movement has been a concern for the working class in the US for decades.
As union reps in a small rural community in the 1980’s, where living wage jobs were (and are now moreso) hard to come by, we had concerns about the various employment training programs placing trainees into “job slots” with our agency – not because job training programs are bad, per se, but because these trainees were 1) led to believe that there was steady work available for them after their training (when there wasn’t), and 2) that these “training” programs were exclusively being used as placeholders to fill quotas for training programs, because there were very few jobs available.
The politicians were, once again, supplying the lower and middle classes with the empty platitude of effective job training and placement, all while ignoring the structural problems creating by off-shoring jobs, foreign trade agreements, and the reduction
This certainly isn’t a new phenomena, and it’s made all the more frustrating because of its repetition by governments and their lackeys that seem to inevitably fall (more likely begin with) the arrogant notion that they are (as the Josh Barro fuckwit shows clearly) “better-than-those-who-elected-us” simply because they say so.
Things have only gotten worse. At least in the 70’s I could benefit from a job program that actually had some meaningful employment waiting. Now the all-knowing-elites have even forgone the training programs almost entirely. The pretense of helping your fellow citizens has simply grown to be too much work for them,
The answer to change all this would seem to be voting, but Brexit and Trumpism may bely that; not to mention that the process of getting votes from all of the voters desiring a voice in the process (the primary/caucus ideas suck) has been hobbled by these “elites” as well. So unless you have candidates that truly will fight for equitable policies and not meaningless platitudes, and also have voting that reflects democracy more accurately, we’re all in for more of the same.
I gotta chuckle at the Trump supporters. Until very recently, he had no fucking clue about Brexit, and is still too self-absorbed to understand it on the macro level, i.e., beyond his golf course.
Ah,a prime example.
Anyone with a brain knew Brexit was about British nationalism,just like we know Trump is about American nationalism.
Why don’t you lay it out for us on the macro level, subbob.
Hey, Billy. I’m not running for prez, as is Trump. Get the difference?
As Trump is, but you probably know what I meant. You gonna vote for him?
Trump looked so disinterested. I swear if he’s elected he’ll end up quitting because he’s either bored or unable to dictate his commands to Congress as he does inside his companies.
And it wasn’t the youth vote that won for Hillaryous,it was women,minorities and older urban voters,the youth vote was mostly for BS and now the big ? is whether they will swallow their conscience and vote for the queen of hell over Trump,the guy who says America first,and economic recovery etc.
I have to say Glenn, you are spot on with your analysis and it’s a pleasure to read it. I just stopped reading the Guardian and the Independent(except for Fisk) because of exactly their stance on Brexit. I am not stupid, I am not a bigot and I am not a racist. I am just sick and tired of politicians who do not actually represent the people. Thanks.
In 2008 financial crisis, the government GAVE financial institutions $16 trillion, of which, they made $30B in profits on their interest free loan. Investors received fill payments on their investments while normal homeowners saw no relief & their home values decline to the extent they were underwater mortgages.
Now, the Elites are taking their cross-payments of the $16T and buying up the underwater mortgages through a new vehicle called an residential REIT. Companies like Waypoint Homes start out using private investment and revolving credit lines from those same financial institutions.
This is a direct transfer of REAL property from poor to rich. And they are doing it for 40cents on the dollar.
They are literally STEALING the American dream in broad daylight. And what’s the best part for the Elites, it’s CORPORATE TAX FREE if 90% of the profits are distributed each quarter, yet no one is reporting on this in the media, including TI.
It’s a method that ensures one thing for the Elites. Interest payments and rent for the next 30 years.
sounds like an alarm going off from here
Eight years ago the persons who now know that Trump is a disaster knew that Obama was a savior. Right now Brexit seems like an expression, and maybe is, of populism which is bad probably according to those who once supported Obama. For some probably esoteric reasons progressives can’t resist the pull of money and status. They end up deceiving themselves evidently into supporting the Elite even while they condemn them. But nothing can quite compare with the inherent evil of the working class with their guns, their patriotism, the corny music, their alcohol, their unsophisticated language, their women . . . The hoards of these types taking over would be far worse so it seems than even the Elite continuing their take over. At least the Elite are willing to play the compassion songs and accept LGBT even though they could care less and let it be known. Vincent Bevins: “both Brexit and Trumpism are the very, very wrong answers to legitimate questions that urban elites have refused to ask for thirty years”– I can not for the life of me think of a good reason for believing this journalist. I would have more reason to believe Hilary Mantel and John Le Carre who voted for Remain though I did not. Being a good novelist is not equivalent to knowing what is best for the people assuming of course that good for the people still has some value. Glenn is clearly an elitist though not a financial or power one. Elitist of all varieties believe they know best for others. Ultimately they are all utopists who know what would make for a better world. That better world is of course the one they yearn for. The original idea for America or at least one of them was for people to live their lives according to lights and have their successes and have their mistakes and learn from them. That requires liberty or freedom which seems to have become right wing talk, ordinary folk talk and not quite politically correct language. Who knows. Old Bevins may be right and soon the end of the world will let us know.
Not true.I voted Obama 08 and even went to the Washington pre inaug ceremony.
I took him at his word.Oy!
I did not in 12.I wrote in Dr.Ron Paul.
Your comments make it quite obvious that you voted for a blatant bigot like Ron Paul…like most libertarians that I’ve read.
Am I the you of your comments? I don’t care for Ron Paul and only see a few good things in libertarianism. Nonetheless I think “blatant bigot” is genuine hyperbole and reveals you to be rather uncultured. Like many liberals and progressives you are low on courtesy and high on exaggeration. Try being polite and observant and grow up.
What is not true?
Bravo Greenwald. Where does it end? I hope for better but this November leaves me little hope for anything but further decline for us hard working non-elites. If Clinton, as seems likely, becomes President and the economy falls into recession again, I am concerned that her dedication to rescuing the elites again from the consequences of their actions will leave the Democratic Party in the minority for decades.
America will not elect that idiotic senile pos criminal liar.
The only way she could win is if Trump was assassinated.
Which was attempted the other day by the way,but you wouldn’t know it if you slept late the next day.
They obviously approved of the attempt, the MSM.
Imagine the furor if it was Hillaryous?
And yes,if the public is not heard(by hook or crook)the next cycle will see a redux of 33,if we live that long.(And no Trump is no Hitler,far from it,he is a lifelong democrat who happened to run as a Republican,and he has destroyed the rethugs!Hoo Hah,and hopefully the demoncrats in Nov!)
Trump is in this for Trump. He cares not one whit for you or your problems. He has no plans that don’t basically enrich himself first and foremost. Trump is a bigot, racist, misogynist, liar, cheater, serial adulterer with incest fantasies he brags about. You cannot get much lower.
Reminding the readership of the “U.S. and British elites” joining together to create Echelon long ago would have been a precise addition to the dated timeline.
“Echelon was developed in the 1970s primarily as an American-British intelligence sharing system to monitor foreigners – specifically, during the Cold War, to catch Soviet spies. But sources said the spyware, operated by satellite, is the means by which the NSA eavesdropped on Americans when President Bush secretly authorized the agency to do so in 2002. …The program is part of a multinational spy effort that includes intelligence agencies in Canada, Britain, New Zealand and Australia, also known as the Echelon Alliance, which is responsible for monitoring different parts of the world.” (Revisiting Echelon – Leopold)
It is my opinion that Brexit concludes the resolution of the enhanced methods of the Echelon Alliance. Britain got her pons back. The Five Eyes are Smilin’.
Personally I am thrilled when looking on the map to see Scotland and Northern Ireland still grounded in the European Union. Would be a good time for the two to look into the G4S contracts of the UK. Sure they also would not like the British mercenaries showing up at their door.
Great theory, one giant, gaping problem. If these populist movements are truly the manifestation of exhaustion among the working class and those betrayed by elites and the system, then why are the voters so divided by age? Why are the young people, those most disadvantaged by all of this, the ones backing “stay”? Why is Trump powered predominantly by older voters?
Because young people haven’t had the chance to be screwed over by the establishment.
Your missing a rather significant point when it comes to Clinton’s support – her support among the under-45s was anywhere from 20% – 33%. She managed to draw a whopping 20% of the independents that now make up (a 75 year high btw) 43% of the registered voters here in the US. Are you another Clinton supporting reality denying elite or did you just not know this?
Wisdom grows with age.
relative phenomenology. When you are born into it, your brain is washed in it.
Confusing yuppie and the working class youth is a mistake,and urban voters here and there voted for HRC and Stay.So maybe its more an immigrant minority vote that drives both,along with the “elites” of course,of whom the Zionists make a large part.
Nationalism is anathema to zion,unless its their own.
We need a modern Marc Antony to point out that all our murderers and murderesses are all honorable people.
Trump said a little,about the shrub.
It’s a working theory. Work in progress chap ahoy matey, jolly good, right good, good day. Chipper, chapper jabber jabber smather dapper mather blather cather. Good day.
Turnout in areas with large amounts of younger residents was lower than in other areas, which means the 75% backing Remain were simply the ones who bothered voting at all. The political disenfranchisement and ridicule of the young has left many of us too cynical to believe the establishment actually gives a hoot what we think – or would honestly accept or represent our wishes, or do anything to really change the system itself.
I read that the whole vote was advisory,not binding,so maybe you are correct.
I guess I should add that my evidence for the *reasons* why many of the young in Britain don’t bother voting is pretty anecdotal. They could just be lazy, I guess. However, I doubt it. I’m across the pond, myself – but I’ve got two housemates who visit Britain a lot, and that’s how I know that many there feel similarly disenfranchised to us.
If the elites do to the British public education system what they’ve done to the American public education system, i.e. saddling young college students with the biggest levels of debt of any group of American citizens, then you’ll see a similar loss in faith with the status quo among young people in Britain.
That huge student debt is the #1 factor behind young people supporting Sanders over Clinton by a wide margin in the United States. Since wealthy baby boomers benefit from those debt payments into their retirement funds, however, they support Clinton.
Absolutely brilliant.
Great piece except for:
1) being twice as long as it needs to be, and thus fatty and not nearly as appealing to the tongue. Not nearly.
2) hagiography of unapologetic and full bore insider, and pump-and-dump con artist Chris Hayes.
Fantastic piece, best analysis I’ve read by far, thank you!!!
jesus…you sure produced the best post-brexit article i’ve read so far in a short amount of time. well done.
this makes me think of that quote from years back – attributed to a “white house staffer” that was probably karl rove – about “we make history and the rest of you just figure it out after”. this is a case of the grand scheme of things saying “oh really, bitch?”
one of my fave reactions so far was van jones – in typical blind neoliberal obamapologist fashion – posting an unhinged 9 minute meltdown basically calling 52% of britain stupid racists. judging from that and his subsequent cnn appearance where he looked like a mental patient compared to the “trump supporter” he was paired with i’d say he falls into the “didn’t know about it 48 hours ago” camp. that segment was followed by a hilariously calm ben stein saying anyone flipping out over the financial impact is a spaz before saying rapist immigrants were a major reason for the vote. infotainment indeed!
the other was thinktank scumbag richard haas from scumbag thinktank cfr outright saying it’s a shame that the uk government has to abide by the vote of the “quote unquote will of the people” (actual words) and expressing out loud with the upmost arrogance his and his fellow elites’ (as chomsky would put it) contempt for democracy. and we’re supposed to believe the brexit voters are the “fascists” in our midst.
oddly david brooks got the message despite qualifying it with “i’m not a fan of the brexit”. maybe he’s not quite the empty suit he portrays himself to be. i’m feeling generous today.
and of course no major story would be complete without a collective pants shitting over putin. apparently all the brexit voters also did it to please him in a faustian bargain no one can explain yet but will once they change into something clean.
Kristof,Milbank,Will,Ignatius,Brooks Friedman,Goldberg,Krauthammer et al should have been left on hilltops for the wolves at birth.
Chomsky says he’ll vote Hillaryous.F*ck him,the loser.
st. francis preaches to the lions
> this is all compelling evidence that things have gone very wrong with those who wield the greatest power, that self-critique in elite circles is more vital than anything
vital for whom? the elite? they know what’s going on. as was said their reaction is “a transparent tactic.” they have nothing to learn from this article
> But, as usual, that’s exactly what they most refuse to do. … That, in turn, only ensures that there will be many more Brexits, and Trumps, in our collective future.
that was explained here:
> In 2008, their economic worldview and unrestrained corruption precipitated a global economic crisis that literally caused, and is still causing, billions of people to suffer – in response, they quickly protected the plutocrats who caused the crisis while leaving the victimized masses to cope with the generational fallout. Even now, western elites continue to proselytize markets and impose free trade and globalization without the slightest concern for the vast inequality and destruction of economic security those policies generate.
that last sentence is presented as a failure to learn but elites are doing better than ever while “billions of people” continue to suffer. so why should they be expected to respond to Brexit and Trump differently than they did to the collapse of 2008?
the problem for democracy and the public isn’t the lack of elite self-criticism it’s the existence of that immensely and increasingly powerful ruling class. any solution to this problem must be addressed to those who suffer, not profit, from it
Brexit The full movie :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
Terrific piece.In my view,Brexit was less to do with the EU and more to do with the upshot of Thatcherism.These communities have been at the boot end of Thatcherism for decade after decade.They have been wilfully abandoned to hopelessness and grinding poverty.Nobody speaks for them,let alone cares about them.No programs of social uplift,no investment.Nothing.Just get on with it.So,is it any wonder their angry and resentful?Who wouldn’t be?You would have to be Gandhi not to be bristling.And when you hear Osborne parrot a Brexit would mean “a profound economic shock” you can almost hear these communities crack up in ridicule.And that would effect them how?That’s their daily life now.And i for one salute my fellow countrymen and women for arriving at the answer they did:TO HELL WITH THE LOT OF YOU,DO YOUR WORST!
Damn. That was a good read.
Being a right-wing dude from the states who usually votes Republican , I don’t always agree with you on everything, but so many times I find myself saying, “He nailed it!” . Great journalist, honest writer, and a smart man.
Thank you for being you, Glenn.
Whenever I hear someone giving themselves an instant bio (especially one of a contrarian nature) as a pretext for giving unqualified praise …
@GG Thank you for your spot on reporting. Im happy to see real journalist actually still exist.
Excellent analysis Glenn, albeit lacking any mention of TI’s recent spew of <a href="https://theintercept.com/staff/robertmackey/" pro-EU propaganda.
I have no doubt that most voters on both sides were well-intentioned. The better-educated tended to vote Remain but that is simply because the young are better-educated than their grand-parents. So why did the young vote Remain?
They were told that without EU membership instead of trade and travel there would be war. Hideous self-serving lies from the Remain camp but issues so important that the young who were not alive before 1973 might consider it safer to acquiesce to the anti-democratic parasitic EU.
Meanwhile, despite the FTSE 100 being up on the week, the Establishment quickly used the excuse of Brexit to print themselves a quick 250 billion pounds. And the Establishment Media continues to pretend that the pound is at 31-year lows despite being higher than it was on February 26th 2016.
TI really needs if not edit at least preview. And proper link handling.
https://theintercept.com/staff/robertmackey/
i’d actually say the remain crowd has less than great intentions and were – as usual – acting in naked self interest. i’ve also noticed the barely passive-aggressive repetition of the “less educated = brexit voter” innuendo. it’s a blatant way of saying “they only hate the eu because they ain’t got no learnin’ like we does”. these days “educated” = “can afford an education” and the bourgeois remainers admitting that would be admitting they aren’t special little snowflakes gracing the “n.e.d.s.” with their glorious leadership.
tl;dr – it’s all about class once again.
The Establishment is not homogeneous. To the Eurocrats who benefit directly we must add the banksters who scratched the Eurocrats backs and got a 250 billion handout in return. But mostly it is the incestuous upper tiers of large corporations which benefit from the copious regulations killing their smaller competitors.
I have no doubt that the Remain leaders were acting out of naked self-interest but the majority of Remain voters were, I believe, reluctantly surrendering because of unfounded but heavily propagandized fears of war and depression.
“As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, and Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say FUCK YOU””
Well, that nailed it!
Thanks Glenn for all the work you do.
I have a question. Many outlets reported that as much as 75% of the disenfranchised young generation (18-34) voted in favor of remaining on the EU. How’s fit in your narrative?
Interestingly, that figure is 75% of the young people THAT VOTED, and while that is indeed pertinent it tells an incomplete story. Many of the young never bothered to vote at all. Voter turnout in areas with more young people voting was lower than other areas.
Many young people everywhere think any kind of vote is worthless, as the establishment is simply regarded as just another looming (and in this case often quite intimidating) and immovable authority-figure, one that *pretends* to listen but in truth obviously wants self-importance for itself and conformism for the masses.
I didn’t phrase that first part correctly, what I meant to say was (and I’ll just quote from the BBC link above to make it clear):
“But turnout in areas with a higher proportion of younger residents tended to be lower.”
I might be a little late…but just found this and wanted to share it for whomever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
BREXIT THE MOVIE FULL FILM
@19:32 [“We have not gained power, we have lost it.”]
Briton has received what they have dished out in hundreds of years of colonizing sovereign lands world wide (esp. of the Israel kind). They now ‘feel’ what it is like in Gaza, not being able to fish and not having the power to run their own affairs. In all of this…I hope the lesson(s) are clear and that they start a new life defending the occupied, standing up for the rights of indigenous citizens who are under Tyranny…just like they have been. Defending and stopping the plunder of foreign resources, just like they have been doing for a long time. A classic Law of “sowing and reaping”, and “what goes around, comes around”. If they don’t…then ALL is lost.
Now it’s time for America…
….but not the Trump /Clinton kind of BS, but the kind that will reign in power, military, global prostitutes, and tyranny. The EU is a picture of the USG in that we do not know where the taxes go, nor can we ask/vote/or be a part of accountability. Just slaves. Wake Up America.
Very well put indeed!
As usual, the very poor and unemployed you mention will get nothing from this, at least directly. The the vacuum of authority is quickly being filled by corporate power. That is what the “trade” deals are all about, corporate governance as civil government districts.
There will be no Brexit except on some papers. A deal is already in the works from the high potentate of German European hegemony Wolfgang Schäuble.
https://global.handelsblatt.com/edition/457/ressort/politics/article/schaubles-secret-brexit-plan
Sounds like Glenn is calling for the elites to listen and implement the wishes of Trump supporters?
What the hell do they want?
They want “their” country back!
What’s that mean?
It means David Duke for president!
The problem is not that the elites rise to the top in positions of power and control in democratic and non-democratic systems.
The problem is that, with a few exceptions, those who rise to the positions of power and control generally reflect the lower consciousness whose qualities include greed, selfishness, doing unto others what one doesn’t want done unto one, arrogance, lust for power, control and resources, self-ego, self-pride, not serving others with no expectations, etc.
Many Muslims who live in the Muslim majority countries point to the elites in Western democracies and the control they have, and how they manipulate the systems, and dismiss the need for adopting Western democracy; they prefer that the Muslims develop their own indeginous systems of government that are suitable for them. They are tired of the West lecturing them like an evangelist about Western democracy as if it’s descended from on high.
well said. though you mention muslims i’d say any group or individual with a traditionalist outlook would endorse that view.
You raise an incredibly important point: Why should other cultures be impressed by a system that demonstrably lacks real honor and integrity?
they will also shoot protesters, wont they?
And that is why they will. Consider elitist Diane Feinstein – disturbed about being spied upon yet herself spies on everyone else – who wants to criminalise freedom of speech and expression so that she can rationalise her support for the slaughter of Palestinians by an elitist regime who fanatically, irrationally, bigottedly and wrongfully believe that their fantasy god has bestowed some land to them thousands of years ago regardless of social norms. What next, shoot protesters who are robbed of their constitutional rights?
Wow, I was truly impressed by this piece of journalism. It made me reflect on how I’d thought about things (Brexit, Trump, etc) and now I have want to reevaluate those processes. Thank you for your insight.
Gee, might there be benefits to a Northern California Nexit? All of a sudden, if and when Washinton DC sits all alone and yes, stateless, by itself and without controlling these allegedly united states – my, my, my what will all those lobbyists, judges, legislators and gunned-up, funded-up mercenaries do for a living? With Multinationals (62 individuals, allegedly, reportedly) controlling more wealth than 1/2 the world’s population – owning them, in effect – and making further inroads into indebting and enslaving still more people and resources – who needs bigger, borderless and TPP’d, NAFTA’d, and TAPP’d markets – besides Banksters, dictators, and robots? The state just seems to have less and less to do with any human or most other living beings having a life, let alone a really good one. Maybe those in the UK that want the Brexit just are tired of seeing their quality of life eroded steadily by gangster thugs and a burgeoning criminal class attempting to take over the world and steal everybody blind generally, while telling the populace – It’s GOOD for you!” while surveilling them and holding them at gunpoint endlessly. Yes, here in the U.S., Sanders and Stein ARE great alternatives despite what the media poses as their lack of popular support. With candidates like Trump, and KHillary, who needs Republicans, Nazis- or even any kind of enemy? My guess is that the people of the UK are just tired of their so-called leaders committing wholesale mayhem, murder and theft beyond their borders in their names and on their dime.
I just want to congratulate Glenn Greenwald on what is a masterpiece of an article.
Once again I am proved right when I acknowledged years ago Glenn Greenwald as one of the best journalist around this planet…and mind you… I read a lot, corporate and alternative media, in four languages, from many corners of the world. This article is brilliant not only because presents an analysis in a concise way a very complex matter but also because is beautifully written. Than you again Greenwald!
ditto
Our elites are insane. Obama sends transvestites into combat while our country crumbles. Merkel imports muslims who rape and steal. May there be many more Trumps and Brexits in our future.
Excellent analysis as usual but again, as usual, lacking a serious answer to the question of “what is to be done.” The “elites”–ie, the ruling class or the capitalist class–are not going to fix themselves. The only way out of the capitalist crisis is the replacement of the capitalist class by the working class as the ruling class. The working class needs its own political party. Everywhere. http://www.themilitant.com
“The solution is not to subserviently cling to corrupt elite institutions out of fear of the alternatives. It is, instead, to help bury those institutions and their elite mavens and then fight for superior replacements”.
Magnificent Glenn, and crafted to perfection, these two incredible lines detail what is the only solution – a mass burial of the corrupt elite institutions, and their elite mavens. The momentum of the anti elite establishment movement must be maintained.
Great post, Glenn especially about the rejection of elite authority but the reaction by Authority to this mistake by the rubes is where we will see who has power and what non-binding pleas by the people are worth.
I read an interesting view of this problem from an African, Kalyndi Serumaga at CP and he doesn’t see this first sign of the collapse of Western Civilization as such a bad thing for those people in Africa, Asia and South America who have already suffered decades under neoliberal dictate and austerity. Where were all these anti-authoritarians when the austerity bludgeon was used on others to maintain their lifestyles.
solutions
In 1775 the residents of north americas came up with a solution to their dissatisfaction with their condition of austerity brought upon them by the establishment elites. It was a PRESCRIPTION composed by concerned persons. This prescription was written, titled and signed.
Since then, greed – which embraces no sharing but acts like a pirate to own everything like mold expanding to cover and possess all surfaces – has acted to rob the population by covering those prescriptions, namely, the Declaration of Independence and the Consitution of the United States of America.
These prescriptions need to be RENEWED. If it doesnt happen and soon, the mold will cover us all.
see Gerald Horne’s The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the United States of America.
Magnificent piece– continually grateful for your clear, brilliant, compassionate voice.
I am getting extremely tired of hearing people classify the leave vote as bigoted. The leave vote was a total repudiation of neoliberal policies and the London financial market. I am uber liberal and I am overjoyed at the Brexit leave vote. F?ck the establishment.
Not surprisingly, a supposed lefty on a supposed left “leaning” tv channel, has been taking the prescribed elitist stepford medication. After backgrounding some history of wars and the reformations of Europe, she leans over and brands the before BRexit status of euro agreements as “evolved”, not devolved, evolved, then trots out an elitist spokesperson to exercise his S&M upon the listeners and voters for BRexit, then she, agreeing with his every point of how values were lost, dishonors democracy and shames voters for having caused such losses. But that’s not all – she then proceeds to rationalise her diss-position by offering the chill in her spine as the proof that BRexit was a not in accordance with progress.
What valuations, the fraudulent ones? What progress? What spine?
Yes to an extent. We didn’t dig into the case for staying and the informed counter arguments. Glen’s saying that Brexit ‘could have’ been positive undermines his own argument. He’s dismissed us as angry, sometimes maladjusted, victims of corporatocracy. He also parts ways with some progessive commentators and non establishment (today anyway) politicians who have embraced the shock and chaos, recognizing that it doesn’t have to be just the Right who takes advantage of shocks to society. They exhorting the Left to get busy and ensure that a people’s agenda, rather than a 1%’s agenda, rises from the ashes. That’s where I am, even I still say we are outgunned and can’t stop the spreading darkness on our own.
This entire twitter thread by Matt Stoller is another good supplement to Glenn’s piece:
https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/746765491230806016
@ Pedinska
Thanks for Stoller link. Some of what he documented I knew but there was some new info in there as well.
An outstanding chronicle of many voices that warn against staying the course!
Identity politics is the bone the establishment throws to the American left. If one acknowledges the significant gains being made where identity politics are concerned – a black president, a (likely) female president, LGBTQ rights, etc. – one must also acknowledge that these gains are being used as a substitute for other reforms, in order to placate liberal voters. And not only to placate, but to deflect and distract: “Trumpism is solely based on racism,” “Sandersism is based on sexism,” and so on.
Glenn, you are a wonderful, and caring human being, and your writing is a comfort to us all, at this time of great suffering. You expose the savagery, and selfishness, the greed, and horror, of the out of touch, and out of control elite.
Yesterday was the day that the long suffering, ordinary, and decent people of the UK rose up and delivered their verdict on the elite political institutions, and the mass media. The majority of voters showed their total disdain, and rejection of the daily scaremongering, and bullying that the remain camp, had unleashed, and inflicted upon them. The vote showed how divided the UK has become, and how out of touch the political elite are, with ordinary people. It showed that the political elites of Brussels and the UK were no longer trusted – their twilight, if it ever existed, was definitely over.
In the UK outside of London, and a few prosperous regions in the South East, life for many is one of drudgery and dire poverty. Inequality has also widened across the entire UK, with the incomes of the already super wealthy rocketing, whilst the middle class workers, and those on the bottom rungs of the employment ladder have felt the pain of significant drops in their incomes. In many areas unemployment is in double figures, and the only work available is low paid shop work.The cost of living in the UK has also become hugely expensive, with sky high house prices, and rents,and the Governments vicious austerity campaign has meant for many that it is now a luxury to be able to afford to eat. Many middle age people are now having to live with their parents, as they cannot afford to rent an apartment or to save a deposit of many thousands of pounds for a house.The country has numerous run down areas,full of crime and social depredation – multiple boarded up high streets, where only betting shops, charity shops and pound shops exist. Even basic and essential utilities, like electricity, gas, and water supplies, cost the earth in the UK, and transport is far more expensive than Europe.
Ordinary, decent people are also sick of living in fear and oppression, and they are very concerned about the misuse of pervasive technologies, and about how mass surveillance has affected privacy. Many people in the UK live in fear of losing their jobs, and not being able to afford to feed and cloth their families. This fear is mounting because of automation, and whilst the press and the elite crow on about the wonderful efficiency, and productivity, that new technology will deliver, the ordinary worker does not see cause to rejoice. The workers have seen many companies desert the UK to exploit the lower cost labour pool in South East Asia, and in many other emerging, and more rapidly growing economies. Nothing, or very little has been done to protect the UK’s once thriving manufacturing industries, and nowadays very little is produced in the UK.People have seen the Digital economy, and online shopping devastate the high street, with even well known large retail chains going out of business. Child poverty in the UK has massively increased, and the average life savings is below a thousand pounds, with many people not even being able to afford a holiday. The elite will never know what its like to try to exist off of benefits or a wage below £7 and hour. They will never know the daily misery of being excluded, and left to rot in a poverty soaked, slum, deprived area. The feeling of abandonment,of isolation, and daily fear – when they understand or experience that, then they may understand the suffering their greed, and selfishness has caused.
Yesterday was a wake up call for the elite, and their political and mass media puppets. The people of the UK spoke,yesterday and demanded social and political change.People want a fairer society for everyone, where everyone has opportunities, regardless of their geographical location. The elite need to heed this message, because right now its as good as its ever going to get for them. Their future will be grim if they don’t listen to the drums, because the wind of change is gaining momentum, and it will blow their empires down. They may not be able to comprehend the growing tide of anti-establishment rage, but believe me its real, and well deserved.The entire political system has become polluted with money, and our Governments are now nothing more than corporatised, criminal enterprises. More and more people are realising this. The game is up for the elite – their twilight over, change or the people are going to change you. Hope the message is clear.
So true about Glenn’s writing being a comfort in a time of suffering.
A bleak picture you paint and it’s true the deindustrialised parts of Britain have never received an adequate settlement from successive UK governments but if you want to see real shat upon people take a trip to the apartheid banlieues of Paris and other parts of France.
@GG – Glenn, I have, as you know, been reading you for quite a while. For what it’s worth (not much, I know) this may be my very favorite piece you’ve ever written.
Cheers.
Good Call!
Absolutely. Fantastic article.
Millions of Americans, myself included, have been made castaways by the policies of both parties. The classic late 60’s Chambers Brothers song, Time, although meant for a different generation in a different era, explains it perfectly:
(Edited)
Time has come today
There’s no place to run
There are things to realize
The rules have changed today
The love has flown away
I’ve been rolled and set aside
I’ve been crushed by the tumbling tide,
I have no home…
I have no home…
Time has come today…
There are other choices! Of course you know about Jill Stein, but I’m going to take this opportunity to shamelessly promote her – because the most amazing thing is most people don’t actually know about the Libertarian or Green alternatives (now polling nationally at 10% and 7% respectively – without mainstream coverage!); the elite’s media is that good at keeping them hidden.
Everyone please watch or bookmark for later, and share:
Presidential Candidate Jill Stein Talks About Where The Bernie Movement Goes Now
(Approx 14 minutes.)
Link again: Presidential Candidate Jill Stein Talks About Where The Bernie Movement Goes Now
(If it still doesn’t link, just type the title in YouTube search. Thanks.)
Thanks, Maisie. I’m very aware of the Green Party. I just left their website after it informed me that I have to sign in on facebook to continue to the rest of the site. That was an extreme turnoff.
I think you may have just accessed their facebook page. I’ll link to Jill Stein’s website here:
Jill Stein 2016
Looks like operator error on my part. I’m slightly tech challenged, so I’ll check it out further. Thanks, again.
We, including the elites that have crippled humanity throughout history, are all refugees subject to human nature which itself is mankind’s greatest fault. The faces of the elite may change, but nothing else short of accelerating Climate Change, will alter that. However, given the history of our species the survivors are likely just to repeat human history in one form or another, no matter what destruction we have imposed on ourselves in the toxic current era.
Glenn, watch what has happened and what is about to happen in Scotland.
Engaging and intensely accurate. The most clear summary of what’s behind many interwoven world events, and the precise dangers of myriad kinds of willful misunderstanding, that I’ve seen.
Well said – thanx (too many words, though). Next US step probably to have corrupt US Congress bailout British & Multi-National banks – a la 2008 debacle – furthering US population descent into Plutocracy -Another nail in Democracy’s coffin.
I want to express my most sincere Thankyou’s to TheIntercept & FirstLook and all the authors (&staff) and posters for their remarkable and informative contributions to the greatest truths of our human conditions, that being the meaning of events that enlighten my understanding of why stuff happens because when I am amongst others who are seeing truth, using their own voices and standing on their own two feet, it is good.
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This contribution by GG shows what an absolutely impoverished state of despair that the money worshippers have gotten us into. The ambitious who make demands of their promoters who defraud to compete who make demands of their subcontacters who cheat to compete who make demands of their employees who lie to compete. One cannot “compete” against those who lie when both parties are believed. The 10 commandments aren’t just some philosophy to choose or not choose to follow. The 10 commandents, like the laws of physics, are the laws of relationships that keep individuals as individuals that can stand together. All of the trespasses boil down to an elite willingness to destroy anything in the name of arrogant self righteousness with an attitude of letting someone else fix it. I am quite concerned that by the time good people have sufficient power and authority to remedy things, the planet may be too far gone and we all may end up homeless.
I’ve been reading and sharing your columns for quite some time, but I can’t possibly recommend this one highly enough. You absolutely nailed it dead center, Mr. Greenwald, and you have my highest respect for doing so. Thanks.
Nice piece, as usual, Glenn, but I think there are in fact other forces involved with Brexit. I say this because the opposition to the EU has existed in the UK so long one can almost say it is a tradition. But it is certainly true that the political elites on both sides of the issue have behaved horribly.
The sources I have access to in Europe – for example the Süddeutsche Zeitung, Der Spiegel and France 24, are all reporting on how the various Continental government heads and foreign ministers, together with EU luminaries, are saying the Brexit vote is a call to action to reform the EU. I am hoping that they will be energized to follow through on such statements. My own conviction is that continental Europe is far behind the US and UK (the US, especially) when it comes to the level of corporatism, so I hold out hope that the EU can still fulfill its original promise. But for the US I fear there is no longer much hope: Even in this venue almost everyone sides with either Clinton or Trump.
Great analysis.At some point you could also address the ongoing lack of faith in our electoral system, most especially the actual voting and vote-counting systems? The intense corporate media interest in Brexit at least gave Americans a chance to see how a hand-counted balloting system can work as Britain was able to count the majority of their ballots overnight as compared to the many failures of the hodge-podge of opaque electronic vote counting machines that were forced on the U.S. post 2000, post HAVA. As I understand it, California is still counting primary ballots, while allegations and compelling evidence of election fraud have haunted elections in the U.S. for well over a decade.
Decent civilians in the UK would arrest, prosecute, expose, and hang Cameron and other British policymakers, propagandists, and military leaders for their war crimes. Same goes for the civilians in the US.
Actually, I’m fine with just transporting Bush & Blair & Rumsfeld & Cheney and all their cronies to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes under Nuremberg rules. Hanging isn’t needed; thirty-year sentences would be fine. They could all be shipped out to St. Helena, to keep company with the ghost of Napoleon.
See American Nuremberg: The U.S. Officials Who Should Stand Trial for Post-9/11 War Crimes, by Dr. Rebecca Gordon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNBBYber_-w
Funny, the NYTimes doesn’t seem to have yet reviewed this book – probably because their bogus 2002-2003 reporting on Saddam’s non-existent WMDs played such a central role in facilitating the Iraq invasion and occupation.
Been reading a lot of contradictory analyses on this issue from people I wouldn’t think would necessarily…contradict one another. So this piece is an extremely good primer for understanding the issues.
David Dayen also wrote a piece that bolsters much of what you write here.
http://prospect.org/article/whos-blame-brexit-elites
Great job, Glenn.
@ Pedinska
Agreed Dayen’s piece is very good and I think it nicely compliments Glenn’s thesis. Elites really better wise up and quite quickly before they find themselves out of power or worse. Their credibility is getting close to zero, and that’s a bad place to be. Not enough civilian police, gated communities or private security for happens after that, and it is never pretty.
Thank you for the article by David Dayen.
The lines taken from the article below are very interesting, since it is also precisely what the USA is doing through its trade pacts like the TTIP. It’s all part of the elites drive for Globalisation, and establishing a new World order through imperialism. It is also being achieved through pressing emerging countries to transform their economies to Digital economies, since online shopping is dominated by the huge, and well established, highly advanced US retailers like Amazon, and local retailers with retail outlets have no chance of competing against them.The impact on local, economies, and jobs is never a consideration in their greedy rush to steal resources, and capture new markets for their Global corporations. Independence and self sufficiency is the way to go, and more countries will follow the UKs lead.
“they explicitly wanted to empower multinational conglomerates at the expense of independent domestic producers. Last year’s list of demands for the Greek economy from the “troika” (the European Union, European Central Bank and the IMF) had little to do with preventing corruption and furthering economic opportunity. They were mostly about breaking the power of the local publishing industry, journalists, olive oil makers, mom and pop retailers, and so on. The goal was to make way for outside corporations and throw over the internal political and social culture”.
The best article on this matter I have read so far. I couldn’t agree more. I just hope that wave of young people following Bernie Sanders do not vote for Hilary Clinton, the warmonger or Trump, the fascist, none of these two worst a penny. The establishment can’t understand that people are fed up with them and they will prefer not to vote than to vote for them. Brexit was the perfect example, it was the wrong choice but there was no other. The 1% who control almost every government in this planet has no interest at all in the 99% who are sinking every day more and more.
Mic drop.
lol. agreed.
A substantive and thoughtful article, thank you for writing and publishing it. I know he’s part of the ‘media elite’, but George Packer in the New Yorker echoes much the same sentiment about problems specifically on our side of the pond:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/16/how-donald-trump-appeals-to-the-white-working-class
The elite take power through violence and trickery. They then mitigate their control and hypocrisy, through dividing the working classes and poor and encouraging them to fight amongst each other. They do this with racism, religion, consumerism and terrorism. The Elite will make adjustments here, on their journey to the consolidation of power via Corporate control, they of course anticipate the people’s kicking up their back legs. They will use all forms of uprising as further reasons to progress the corporate-police state. Total Fascist control, with as little decent as possible, sometimes needs a time out, a growing stage, a resting period. As long as the moves are towards more fascism and towards real progressive and social change, it will all work out for them. There is nothing we can do until we grow violent enough to really do something about it. That time is here, but the elite forces are more powerful than ever.
The elite and all gangster-minded people resort to violence and trickery. The trickery requires jettisoning principles. You have to be willing to lie. When the scammers, who often appear to with us (Alexis Tsipris for example), huddle with us to decide on the rules that we believe, and they claim will, result in socially beneficial law and order, they then strike by strategically breaking agreements they’ve made and laws passed. That way they get ahead of and on top of the ‘sheep’ law-abiding people. They know that from positions of dominance, they can guarantee outcomes, including economic and social relations outcomes. This how the perversity of neoliberalism came upon us and lingers.
Utter nonsense, as anyone who looks into the FBI Cointelpro program would know. In fact, Cointelpro operatives worked as hard as they could to push non-violent activist groups into violent actions so that they could discredit them.
For example, the San Francisco Black Panther Party’s main activity was feeding poor children breakfast; when the FBI agent reported this to Hoover, Hoover replied back that if the agent wanted his career to continue, he would come up with evidence showing that they were a violent radical organization bent on overthrowing the U.S. government.
You also have all those pathetic 1970s groups like the Weathermen who went around robbing banks and fantasizing about the coming revolution; nobody really knows how many were run by agent provocateurs in the pay of the FBI. It’s the most common theme in activist group history over the past decades, and was also seen in the FBI’s 1990s ‘eco-terrorist’ program as well as in the FBI’s current ‘radical Islamic terrorism’ program, in which FBI operatives encourage Muslims to commit acts of violence.
Here’s a better idea: run for political office or file a lawsuit targeting corporate conglomerates. Yes, that takes time and effort and collaboration with others. Throwing a brick at something is much easier, isn’t it? Appeals to violence, such an idiot’s game. . .
Within minutes of the Brexit vote, Clinton was warning anyone who would listen that it means Trump could actually become president. Let the fear-mongering begin. Begin?! I apologize: Let the fear-mongering continue unabated, and as we’ll see, be ramped up to hysterical levels.
That it took the vote of a European country to get Clinton to consider that very real possibility validates Greenwald’s entire article in poetic fashion.
Not that we needed it, Glenn. Thanks for a great, informative article. Stay on ’em…
This is good stuff, but I don’t concur that Brexit is a bad thing. It is unfortunate that Corbyn thought it was more important to follow the lead of the Labour party apparatus and support the EU rather than to join the opposition and make it less dominated by regressive elements. That young people could support the system that has destroyed Greece and created 40% youth unemployment is only possible because too many people of good will supported the establishment in this instance. If the constructive opposition lacks the will to oppose an odious system, people will turn to the populist element, which is not as bad as Mr. Greenwald thinks. Survival trumps political correctness, and our very survival is under threat if the neoliberal neocon establishment remains in control in the “west.”
What are the facts or reasoning that show that but for the EU the banks could not and wold not have crushed Greece?
Banks run the whole business, including EU. Merkel does what banks tell her to do. It does not benefit the banks to crush the borrower. It’s better they stay alive so that they can be bled for as long as they exist. A country is quite different from an individual or a corporation, and the banks are quite aware of the facts; hence the difference in treatment.
“”It does not benefit the banks to crush the borrower”: Actually, in the context of current financial practice, it does. Here is how it worked in Greece, in Italy, in Spain, and in the US: The banks come to the customer (whether house buyer or government) and offer to refinance their debt, or make a loan, at a very attractive initial interest rate. Then, once the loan is made, they take out a credit default swap, essentially insuring themselves against default. When the interest rates are reset, the debtors are judged by the rating agencies (at the urging of the banks) to be at increased risk of default (well, duh!) thus justifying further increases in the interest rate. This was pioneered by Goldman Sachs, but many other banks, principally in the USA and UK, eagerly followed suit.
It is typical to blame Germany for all of Greece’s problems. After all, it has only been seven decades since the end of WW2, and it is much more comfortable to look elsewhere to lay blame rather than looking into the mirror.
Come on Mona, that’s been explained several times. It’s called EU capital flow rules, much like NAFTA capital flow rules, basically the IMF neoliberal model that has devasted developing economies for decades, seen in for example the 1997 Asian economic crisis.
Under national sovereign rules, Greece could have prevented capital flight from Greece; the money that poured into Greece under EU rules was used to create a debt bubble. When it popped, the investors rushed their money out. This was seen in, for example, hotel construction starts on various Greek islands.
A great deal of fraud was involved in that debt bubble, such as inflated real estate prices, etc. If the Greek government had brought criminal charges against the fraudsters, and it had sovereign control of capital flows, it could have frozen those assets.
Sure, it’s not bad to have outside investors come into a poor country – but NOT if they can pull out at a whim. A certain degree of committment should be required; the pump-and-dump schemes that Goldman Sachs specializes in should not be allowed. And what do EU rules do? They facilitate such schemes by enabling capital flight.
However, EU rules said not just money, but also people could move freely across borders – and this was viewed as a positive, socially open notion – and it is, more or less. Until, that is, a bunch of starving refugees from war-torn Libya and Syria came flooding into Europe – thanks to the ridiculously short-sighted regime change games of France, Britain and the US. The spectre of continual global warming also means that refugee stream has no end in sight.
Endgame for the EU, endgame for the IMF, endgame for Wall Street. The only question is, how much of the world will they take down with them on their way out?
The EU sold itself as a socially liberal model for pan-European harmony, and that’s the propaganda that was delivered to young people. Social liberals in favor of multicultural mixed societies bought into it for that reason. Everyone could travel and mingle – and young people are (often) more open-minded about different cultures than older people are.
BUT, once poor people from radically different cultures with deep-seated issues like lack of respect for women’s rights started flooding into Europe, due to the wars and regime change games that EU members such as France and Britain supported in collaboration with the US, in Libya and Syria, people began to question this socially liberal free-flow-of-people notion. The additional pressure on jobs, housing, and social services was another big factor in rising anti-immigrant sentiment across the EU.
Now, what the EU supporters don’t want to talk about – and try to keep hidden from young people – is how the free flow of money within the EU allows some sectors of the EU to exploit other sections; in some sense this also happens within Britain, with London banks targeting working-class British municipalities in the same way that they targeted Greece.
This is the real con-artist aspect of the EU, that media outlets like the Guardian – who promote the socially liberal EU line – absolutely refuse to discuss. Why won’t they discuss it? Following orders from on high, or just self-censoring for the sake of their careers?
Thank you, Glenn, for counterbalancing Mr. Mackey’s work. I posit that: politics is an attempt to legitimate _why_ what’s yours is mine. If elites drop the pretense of “democracy formally intact”, their credibility will be restored.
Great article! Worth sending to every journalist working for the corporate media in the United States.
There is, however, now a real threat of fascism rising – but first a widespread misconception must be addressed. Fascism is not just ignorant beer-hall xenophobia – it is the alliance of that xenophobia with concentrated capitalist monopolies.
Currently, in the United States, the concentrated wealth has thrown its weight behind Hillary Clinton – Warren Buffet of Berkshire-Hathaway (electricity and railroad monopolist), Shery Sandberg of Facebook (social media monopolist), Mary Barra of General Motors (automobile monopolist), Richard Anderson of Delta Airlines (air travel monopolist), Brian Chesky of Airbnb (housing market monopolist), Randall Stephenson of AT&T (NSA collaborator and communications monopolist) and Denis Muilenger of Boeing (airplane monopolist who delivered a $900,000 bribe to the Clinton Foundation to secure a jet fighter deal with Saudi Arabia).
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/24/headlines/business_leaders_line_up_to_endorse_hillary_clinton
Make no mistake, these corporate conglomerates are just one or two mergers away from establishing true monopolistic control of their respective markets in the United States and its ‘sphere of influence’. They’ve created huge ‘philanthropic foundations’ to back their agenda and also have major holdings in corporate media; these are the people the corporate media (and many ‘non-profit’) journalists really work for.
The risk is now obvious: similar conglomerated wealth groups could throw their weight behind the right-wing neofascist groups who are riding the tide of populist anger, in exchange for a redirection of that anger away from themselves.
I think this is already happening with Donald Trump – he appears to need financing, doesn’t he? And, curiously, he has dropped his public opposition to NAFTA, which is an equivalent deal to the EU, that facilitated capital flows offshore, manufacturing outsourcing, and other policies that impoverish the middle class while benefiting only the elite plutocrats – i.e., NAFTA created today’s Detroit, a post-industrial wasteland, part of what the elites sneeringly call “flyover country”, that vast poverty-striken zone between New York and San Francisco.
This could also explain Boris Johnson’s behavior, the leading neofacist in Britain, who has suddenly called for a pause before Brexit is implemented. Perhaps the corporate monopolists who supported the Labour Blairites have just sat down with Boris and offered to cut a deal, financial support for the xenophobic right in exchange for a shift in the political agenda of the far-right parties?
That’s precisely what happened in Germany in 1932-33, as any serious student of that era knows. The Nazi Party had publicly attacked Germany’s monopolists, such as I.G. Farben, Krupp, Thyssen, and Deutschbank – and then the Nazi party sat down with the industrialists, and a deal was struck – money from the industrials in exchange for an end to the populist attacks on their interests. That moment is when fascism really took off in Europe.
The only real alternative to this is seen in Austria’s green victory over the neo-Nazis. These are the so-called ‘fringe left’ ecologically-minded parties, who want a major transition to fossil-fuel free energy and local political control of government.
This transition, however, will fundamentally alter global economics in ways that will undeniably reduce elite wealth. All the Saudi oil wealth, all the Qatari gas wealth, even the non-affilitated oil wealth of Iran and Russia and Venezuela, the energy holdings of Wall Street, London banks, etc. – all are wrapped up in fossil fuel wealth. If there is a global transition to renewables – wind, sun, storage – than that wealth evaporates. Even if Buffet moves all his wealth into manufacturing renewable energy devices – well, there’s no way to monopolize or sell sunlight and wind. A solar plant requires no 20-year gas supply. (This is why Hillary Clinton is a cheerleader for natural gas as a ‘bridge fuel’ and refuses to back a major solar transition).
Interestingly, I can’t seem to find a single article on the Intercept that discusses global energy policy. A bit of a blind spot here, isn’t there?
Take a look at Cameron’s $2 billion deal with Qatar for Centrica, that has jacked up Britain’s electricity and gas prices. Go back and look at Thatcher’s privatization of British electricity, that handed control of rates to monopolists like Buffet, Germany’s E.ON, etc. Think of what percentage of a working British family’s income goes to pay the heating and electricity bill – it’s quite a chunk. Making sure that chunk keeps flowing into the pockets of the elite class – that’s one of their major concerns, if not concern #1.
The elites may very well be willing to let the world burn – both politically and ecologically – in order to keep themselves on top of the heap. If it comes to it, they’ll get behind the neofascists, just as I.G. Farben did.
Good post!
If Trump dumps his opposition to so-called trade deals like NAFTA & TPP and stops opposing endless U.S. imperialist wars, he’ll lose a lot of support and get trounced by Clinton. That’s what the establishment wants anyway, because Trump is not one of them, they don’t trust him like they do Clinton, and the Republican establishment doesn’t think he’s conservative enough. But I think it would be weird for Trump to stop opposing things like NAFTA; that opposition is a reason for a lot of his support.
On the rise of the new Nazism, I’ve been worried about this too. In the U.S. we now have a choice between Mussolini, aka Clinton, and Hitler, aka Trump. But at least Trump has, at least so far, opposed the trade deals and endless war. There are no good choices here, we need to take to the streets, tear down the entire system, and replace it with something far more mentally and spiritually evolved.
Britain has been a separate nation for centuries – not part of the continental mainland. The policies and politics are unique to them. The insane Wall Street plan of a union to unite it into one large country/trading partner is not possible.
Austerity is not an option it is an order – look at what the hedge funds did to Greece and the so-called unions response to it …..to loot the national treasures.
Iceland withdrew its consideration of joining – and that did not stop the bankers – who in turn were locked up The European Union is not working – it should be dissolved. Countries before this disaster were functioning as independent countries – their own laws and customs, currencies. languages….
> The so-called union is trying to encroach on the Soviet Union with N.A.T.O. but can not even settle their own disputes….Wall Street’s Folly backed by Washington – brought about bailouts for the banks and Wall Street (still being funded by the FED) FREE TRADE?.? (who naming the prices?.?) FREE MARKET ECONOMY (selling off national treasures….not a unified democracy – the vote is in and Britain is out..
THE cry now is HOW TO GET OUT….the end of WWII was a mess – worse than this one
Sincere question: Is it the case that but for the EU the banks could not and would not have done what they did to Greece?
Bravo! Nailed it.
This ‘sounds’ like a well thought out, and presented, article. However, by ignoring the rampant xenophobia displayed by Brexit supporters throughout the campaign, I can only imagine this piece is meant to lead public opinion away from from vilifying the bigots who helped propagate this mess. Are you hoping most readers will confuse Neo-Liberals and Progressive Liberals, thus denigrating the ‘Left’ and sweeping under the rug the ugliest side of the British populace?
This article basically tells Mackey and Mona that they are on the wrong side of the official TI line.
You are an insane person, and the above is as deluded as your usual drivel.
@ Mona
I didn’t know The Intercept had an “official line” on anything. It is probably news to Glenn and the other staff writers who probably have it written into their contracts, like Glenn, that no material or significant changes can be made by editors or ownership to the the substance of pieces sporting their respective bylines. Which is one of the big reasons I am supportive, in part, of what TI is trying to do in the world of journalism.
However, one true test (hypothetically) of that independence will come if Mr. Omidyar or one of his business entities becomes embroiled in any sort of controversy and how TI chooses or is permitted to investigate and report on it.
In any event, if TI does have an “official line”, I assumed that line was: we will investigate and go where the facts lead us on any person or any issue within our wheelhouse, and report on it and/or advocate one way or another with freedom of conscience, opinion, analysis and use of language. As it should be.
The problem with that “Omidyar Test” is that it assumes TI would and should cover it absent Omidyar’s funding of FL. There are myriad issues pertaining to billionaires that this site doesn’t cover — and others that they do. I’ve seen no evidence that these choices are dictated by anything dark or ignoble.
But yeah, this site has no “official line.” There’s a rough confluence of outlook among the writers here, but nothing more than that.
Agreed. And I alluded to that in my description of what I see as TI’s “official line” i.e. “any issue within [their] wheelhouse.”
I’d also agree I’ve seen no evidence that any choices made by TI staff writers are dictated by anything Omidyar has said or done. I was speaking hypothetically, because that situation (a controversy surrounding Omidyar) should it ever arise will truly put that independence to the test, at least with regard to any theoretical influence Omidyar could wield if he chose to.
Nevertheless, the titans of capitalism, and what they do with that power, is within TI’s expressly stated “wheelhouse” if I remember correctly. I’d argue Omidyar is a titan of capitalism.
So whether it ever comes to pass will be a function of Omidyar, what he or his entities may or may not do (or have done in the past) and whether that falls within the TI’s wheelhouse.
I did not mean for my general observation or opinion to suggest I’ve seen anything that doesn’t pass the smell test so far. I believe in Glenn’s integrity and if something like that was to ever happen I’m pretty confident Glenn at the very least among TI staff writers would openly expose and/or discuss it transparently at the very least.
@Mona
You speak with a lot of authority when you have none. What is such a person called?
I’ll need your help throwing over the greasers. Very soon.
Calling me names is not going to absolve you of your premature support for Mackey and his anti-brexit chant.
Calling you insane is to state a fact. Moreover, I expressed no “support,” “premature” or otherwise, for Mackey, who did not engage in an “anti-Brexit chant.” No more than Glenn above engages in a “pro-Brexit” one.
Indeed, I don’t know what Glenn’s ultimate position on Brexit is, and neither do you. That cannot be determined from either his Twitter TL or from this article — it’s entirely possible he doesn’t have a firm position on the issue per se.
Mona, stop trolling. It’s tedious and unproductive and downright unpleasant. If you were sitting across from someone at a table, would you use that kind of language? I seriously doubt it. You just don’t stop – you wish ‘debilitating pain’ on people, you rely on name-calling instead of rational arguments – take yourself off to 4chan where your commenting approach would fit in, why don’t you?
Originally I was going to comment on Some of Glenn’s extreemly insightful untangling ,, and point out just a couple of important viewpoints left out
(the very left of the Greens reiterated the inequality issue, along with other familiar concerns, and advised voting exit, for instance)
HOWEVER,
Most regard the Intercept as a place for civil discourse. Ad hominem attack, and hijacking the comment column for rude trolling (defined as promoting anger) is profoundly inappropriate.
While the person Mona has unfortunately chosen to interact with varying levels of rude and hijacking response, she does not appear to be trolling – commenting to dilute and obfuscate the conversation, and attempting to arouse ire.
This comment column does not seem to be monitored, and that very characteristic allows vulnerability . Since TI is not likely heavily staffed, it remains up to the commentors to avoid using comment to express anger, rage, hate, and personal attack.
Glenn’s readers are perhaps less uncivil in general than others, and I would hope that commentors observe, introspect, and restrain themselves from hijacking the column to shriek at strangers to no good purpose.
Having been around for quite awhile the comment section tone can get a little strident, but it doesn’t usually start that way. We generally don’t suffer know-nothingism, weak arguments, purposeful dissemination of unreliable or debunked facts, and we don’t suffer fools too lightly. Thus the conversations periodically tend to deteriorate in quality and tenor as comments multiply, although I don’t think any start out that way unless it’s a really hot button issues like Israel/Palestine. And some of that could be quite purposeful given what is known about certain states propaganda operations (US included).
So my response generally when the shit starts flying–thank Jehovah that’s what the scroll wheel was invented for, and just scroll on by.
Nevertheless, this place loves a good comments section dustup. It’s nice that Glenn has generally had a policy to let that play out without interference even if it is annoying to some reader’s sensibilities. Most everybody around here has a pretty thick skin about their arguments and proof being challenged on the merits. But when it turns personal it can get a bit sporty.
Gosh, imagine a journalistic outfit that doesn’t have a monolithic propaganda-centric outlook! Imagine op-ed pags that present multiple contrasting opinions on issues, rather than what FOX News does, or what NPR does, or what The Guardian (of Elite Interests) does. What a radical notion. . . disagreements on the op-ed pages? – although I believe that prior to the era of monopolistic media conglomerates, that was considerd “journalistic integrity.”
Anyway, G.H., I think your hero Trump is going to take you for a ride. Notice how he’s gone silent on NAFTA, which is the American equivalent of membership with the EU? Instead he doubled down on his Muslim-baiting immigrant-hating rhetoric, didn’t he? And he seems to be running low on funds. I see some similarities to Boris Johnson there, don’t you? Bet he cuts a deal with the corporate elite, money in exchange for going along with the neocon/neolib agenda.
Don’t forget, G.H., that Trump was a big advocate of the Wall Street bailout that Obama and Bush cooperated on in 2008.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/15/sitroom.01.html
There you have it. I think his whole ‘champion of the working white middle class’ line is nothing but opportunistic bullshit, just as Hilllary Clinton’s policy positions, from opposing TPP to rebuilding domestic infrastructure, are two-faced bullshit lines that will be abandoned in about five months in favor of an expanded war in Syria.
No, you have nowhere to turn in this political season, you have no ‘hero’ to get behind to save you from the disaster that these clowns have created. Impotent rage is all you’ve got.
So what can you do? A national referendum on NAFTA is not going to be allowed by the U.S. political class; they’re probable fuming that the British democracy even allowed a popular vote on EU membership. One option is to push for limiting the power of the executive branch of government as well as weaking the federal government’s power over the states in general; however, many states do have a referendum process but they can’t hold referendums on international agreements.
A shit state of affairs indeed. Do try to keep your cool, however – don’t let Mona’s trollish ‘insane-deluded-drivel’ comments bother you.
Very well said, Glenn. You are the best. Trust no journalist who professes disdain for the comment section.
@ Glenn
First, great piece, very insightful. I hope it is disseminated and read widely by its intended targets–left/left of center/nominally progressive-liberal elites. If they don’t begin to grapple with the reality you are describing they are in for a very rude awakening in the not to distant future.
Second, and speaking of elites, like Michele Flournoy being the next likely Defense Chief in Clinton administration, check out Corey Robin’s interaction with Neera Tanden the likely Chief of Staff in same:
Oops here was the last part I wanted to quote:
Elites simply don’t get it. And they really aren’t as smart or competent as they like to believe they are because they’ve been coddled and fawned over, completely out of touch with regular people’s lives (and the consequences of elite’s decision-making), since birth through to elite institutions like Yale, Harvard, Stanford et al until they wind up making decisions that impact billions of people all over the globe. And that’s very very dangerous for those billions, and equally dangerous, ultimately, for the elites because when they become that detached from the needs of the people history indicates very very bad things tend to happen in short order like guillotines or the Nazis.
I’ve been following that, and read Corey’s piece earlier today. Tanden just out-and-out lied.
As he points out, that creates ample reason to doubt her truthfulness on the matter of getting Matt Bruenig fired.
Yep. If there is anybody out there whose work I respect as much as Glenn’s, it’s Prof. Robin’s. And Prof. Rosen’s too.
Don’t know of you saw it, but Mother Jones just came out with a blockbuster investigative piece on the private prison industry–fucking disturbing and offensive. And one that wasn’t quite as good but very informative on the principals leading the gun manufacturing industry–equally disturbing and offensive.
Mother Jones just came out with a blockbuster investigative piece on the private prison industry–fucking disturbing and offensive.
That was Shane Bauer’s piece. Very, very upsetting.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer
I sure did see it, and Tweeted it several times. It’s magnificent long-form immersion journalism.
The more I read of Tanden, the more I am reminded of Obama’s first Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel.
@ Mona and Pedinska
Agreed.
At the moment Pres. Obama made Rahmbo (a Clintonista) Chief of Staff I knew that to one degree or another I would be disappointed by President Obama’s administration on many many issues (although not all). Not that I had any particular faith in his administration from the start and expected him and those he selected to be anything but at best mild/moderately center left (which he was and wasn’t depending on the issue). But at Pres. Obama’s core he too is a believer in neoliberalism (economically speaking). And that’s why I didn’t vote for him the second time I had a chance, but Dr. Stein.
I’m moderately optimistic the “conversation” both in the US and globally is changing however, and that’s a positive development. IMHO. It is still far too little, and quite possibly far too late, but we keep on keeping on in the hope it isn’t. At least I do.
And I am quite certain Hillary Clinton will be an even bigger disappointment and that is why I will not vote for her and I’m not particularly concerned with what anybody thinks about my refusal to vote for her. The neoliberal world order, and US elite domestic consensus in that regard, IS the major problem in large part underpinning most problems that face us (although, again, not all such as systemic racism). IMHO. And I will not vote affirmatively for those who choose to perpetuate it.
Very well stated. My vote will be for Dr. Stein.
To your last paragraph, rrheard, I completely agree. I had some people start up on me when I said Never Hillary about being a sexist, but when I told them that it was either Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein, they had nothing else to say.
The degree to which some people blind themselves to serious issues by being partisan would be stunning, if it weren’t so commonplace.
I’m just hoping it’s going to be guillotines, not Nazis.
I wish you stopped using the cliched term “elite” instead of precisely designating the object of your discussion. The plutocracy, the media ( mainstream, fringe, whatever) the urban population are perfectly understandable English terms. In the US “elitist” used to mean educated and cosmopolitan but in today’s populistic climate it simply signifies literate. “Could we have another referendum, I did not think of the consequences” is an example of what I have in mind.
So clearly written and exposed, that I’m gratefully devoted to your future articles, I will try to extend your words/theory in my country,as much as The Intercept in Italy, so much corresponding to your scenario in which …
“journalists today report on hostility to the political class, as if they had nothing to do with it, ” but they are a key part of that political class and, for that reason, “if the population — or part of it — is in revolt against the political class, this is a problem for journalism.”
The greater part of the italian population, is suffering this avoidable crisis, since years, witnessing only a very small part of people taking the benefits, that in reality they cannot even spend or enjoy, just only accumulating…..
I guess this is really stupid ….. too much !!
This article has many good facts and informative information. But, at the same time, it calls the ruling class bigots for calling the poor bigots, which then makes the person insulting the ruling class also a bigot…? If not this is dualistic thinking.
This article is reverse Trumpism in some respects.
The elites are right that to make progress, the poor can’t be voting erratically. Though, I understand that that’s all they feel they are able to do sometimes.
It’s a tough issue for sure!
It’s not about rich v. poor or elite v. poor; it’s instead about informed, well-meaning people v. people who don’t give a damn about anything but their own interests and/or ignorant fools. The elites haven’t used their position to make progress, unless you define that term as making profits and making life better for themselves, unfortunately at the expense of the environment and everyone else.
The masses cannot continued to be fooled no matter how long and how well designed their exposure is to elitist propaganda.
When people see and feel the negative effects of ever increasing inequality, systematic globalization, trade deals for the benefit of the most elite, totally amorally oppressive usury, destruction of the environment, vastly increasing corrupting political contribution even from foreign powers, your friends being left unemployed, your neighbors placed into foreclosure, your children placed in a state of indentured servitude not seen since before the American Revolution due to student loan debt, fellow citizens dying because they cannot obtain or afford medical insurance and healthcare costs, and the sovereignty of their nations being handed over to a worldwide criminal banking cartel it is easy to understand why the revolution has begun.
Revolutions are costly and dangerous, but they are the result of having no other choice once the people realize the barbarians are actually the ones inside the gate.
“Media reaction to the Brexit vote falls into two general categories…
“(2) petulant, self-serving, simple-minded attacks on disobedient pro-leave voters for being primitive, xenophobic bigots (and stupid to boot), all to evade any reckoning with their own responsibility.”
You should point out that your own reporter, Robert Mackey, has been doing just this in his coverage of Brexit.
This struck me as I was reading Glen’s column and I posted the same concern. I don’t get why The Intercept would have someone like Mackey writing for them.
What an excellent article. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have written. As a Brit I can tell you that there were numerous reasons people voted to leave (uncontrolled immigration, lack of EU democracy, concerns of the EU state gaining more power and yes, a big FU to the establishment) Over the last few months if you had the temerity to raise any concerns with immigration or the EU you have been labelled a racist/zenophobe/bigot/uneducated which ironically has encouraged people more to give the middle finger to the establishment. Unfortunatley those who voted to remain have since continued these attacks, further reinforcing the resolve of those who voted to leave. It is quite sad to see those who preach multicultalism and inclusion vilify those with different views as racists and bigots. Hypocrisy rules in the UK at the moment, but I am optimistic that those in power will start to listen.
Bravo!
Democrats made their rigged-election bed, forever embracing lobbyists’ contribution-bundling corruption, and now they also face sleeping with a great number of “break the establishment” votes – as England just did against their elite’s hypocrisy. And it’s entirely possible the more establishment neolibs and neocons here show their fear of Trump – the more opponents of the status quo will know they’re vulnerable and vote for him. They’ve shown voters 20 years of supposed hate-filled gridlock in everything but their endless wars, bank welfare, Big Brother surveillance and the curbing of social safety nets (go figure). But these “political enemies” are now somehow coming together behind Hillary because — Trump? I’m not voting for Trump but I ain’t buyin’ the load of manure they’re selling, either. Both smell like shit.
So good in so many ways.
This should be shouted from the rooftops over and over.
@ Glenn
I agree that the political, financial & media elites have ignored the message from the populations too long, including in Britain & in the EU. Whilst this undoubtedly contributed to the Brexit vote, you leave out 1 important aspect.
The likes of Nigel Farage (and his counterparts in Germany, France & elsewhere in Europe, Trump in the US) cannot be put in the same league as Bernie Sanders. Sanders has exposed what is seriously wrong with the American political system by putting his finger on every single major issue that has angered the (wo)man in the street AND has presented very specific alternatives that are verifiable and generally accepted for their feasibility. Bottom line: Sanders is not in it for himself but for the country.
This in sharp contrast to the other bunch, who are purely in it for their own political AND financial gains, thereby cynically manipulating the (wo)man in the street with unscrupulous disregard for the welfare of the country. They are incapable of coming up with proposals to fundamentally improve the situation, but only present bigoted, populist, empty programs, thereby using any form of subterfuge to get the votes, even it is to the detriment of the country.
Specifically in the case of Brexit, Farage admitted it was “a mistake” to have promised the GBP 350 million saved would be spent on the National health Service. Trump is using the same kind of deceit when he talks about building a wall on the border with Mexico or barring all Muslims from entering the US.
Unfortunately we have not seen a Bernie Sanders in Europe capable of the kind of disruption the real one has produced (and is continuing to produce despite having been defeated due to the elitist media) in the US.
Whilst it is important to point out, to expose the failings of the elites and the consequences, it is equally important to expose the deceit used by the populists/opportunists who are out to exploit the frustrations of the voters for their own political and financial gains. In my opinion this is a serious shortcoming the critical media such as The Intercept.
Great piece. Well written and accurate.
Thank you for a magnificent piece. This should be required reading in every University in America.
Oh, forgot, most professors are Elites!
best analysis on BREXIT I have seen so far. I’ve lived in the UK for 13 years and could not agree more with your insights.
Glenn
You are an indispensible human being. You combine researched facts into a cuttimg critique that exposes the institutional assault on our humanity. You’re always the friend of the human. I’m going to re-read this article, think deeply about my own flaws, about the humanity of those I disagree with. And I’m sharing your article any way I can.
To be fair, I think it’s only natural for the elites to have some degree of contempt for their prey. But predators should stalk their prey using stealth, not make an ostentatious display of themselves. So it probably is justified to criticize the elite for flaunting just how well they are doing.
However, the main problem is the rising expectations of workers and youth. For this, the obvious solution is increased austerity. I would imagine about a dozen years of austerity would help to chastise the British public, and subdue the rebellious instincts which led to the unfortunate Brexit referendum. The error of the elites was to allow the general citizenry to benefit too lavishly from the fruits of globalization. This is demonstrated by youth unemployment rates in Europe which often exceed 25% and in some cases are even higher. Allowing youth the luxury of lolling about unemployed, ensures they have plenty of time to engage in demonstrations, protests against their rulers and other forms of trouble making. If their basic needs weren’t catered to by the European socialist states, they would be forced to spend their time working at menial jobs, with no energy left over for disruptive activities.
While I may seem overly critical of the Europeans, I do not exempt the United States. Outsourcing jobs increases profit margins, but then idle workers in the United States start to stir up trouble. The US does have a plan for this – incarcerate all workers under 40 years of age, and then put them to work earning pennies an hour. This theoretically makes the US labor force competitive in global markets and allows companies to employ these workers without seeing a dip in their profit margins. So I cut the US some slack, since at least its elites, unlike the clueless Europeans, seem to be aware of the problem and are dealing with it proactively.
Indeed, the US is showing its ingenuity and inventiveness not only by increasing the number of prisons but by privatizing them. We have risen to the challenge of populating them, and now lead the world in number of prisoners per capita. Moreover, by promoting Islamophobia, fueling terrorism worldwide, and ensuring an oversupply of firearms, we have ensured the continuation of increasing rates of incarceration in the foreseeable future. That’s the Americun way! We are unmatched!
24b4Jeff – Yes, Yes the “American way’ brings to the world “American Values” like:
One – lying to the world about WMD
Two – destroying Iraq for using chemical weapons that the US supplied them
Three – destroying Iraq and killing untold numbers of innocent women and children because their leader’s son raped children while the US military exemplified “US Values” by allowing this on Iraq soil:
As we were bringing freedom, democracy and American Values to Iraq BBC News reported April 17, 2009, “According to several studies of the US military…30% of military women are raped while serving (14% of them gang raped), 71% are sexually assaulted, and 90% are sexually harassed.”
According to data reported by BPW/USA … military women were 15 times more likely to be raped by their fellows than die in the war.
hey BM …. you wouldn’t be a Baby Boomer by any chance?
The Nation has a similar theme as Glenn’s, that the populist revolt against the elites is a long time coming. John Pfeffer talks of a “Europe A” and a “Europe B” in places like Poland, Hungary, England and elsewhere, left behind by urban elites and in a wrathy mood, voting for Jobbik, Law and Justice, Ukip and such.
https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-isnt-the-presidential-candidate-we-should-be-worried-about/
He sees Donald only as a herald, a Gabriele d’Annunzio to a larger neo-nasty to follow, with better organization (d’Annunzio even did style himself “duce” for a while). It’s tempting.
Damn, Duce, your kind of sarcasm is so true and vertically elaborate that at times it becomes Chaplinesque, sad!
No wonder so many people constantly misread your comments ;-)
RCL
Josh Barro is a poster boy for all that is sick among neoliberals and Clinton Democrats. In addition to the Barro tweet Glenn includes above, here’s two others. From December 2013:
From two weeks ago:
Barro is the privileged son of a famous conservative economist, and like his father went to Harvard. He’s Senior Editor at Business Insider not because of merit, but rather, because of who he is. So neoliberalism and elitism have been very good to him.
Excellent read. The election of Clinton, the ultimate influence.peddling corrupt establishment back, will continue to erode the inequality that is fueling the anti establishment movement.
I appreciate the article. I’d like to add some thoughts, partially in disagreement.
In your piece, you mostly refrained from calling those who voted ‘leave’ bigots or racists, but most others did not. Bevins, to whom you linked approvingly, was especially condescending, even while presumably trying to be open-minded.
So, my point is: voting against immigration (a massive component of both Trump and Brexit) doesn’t make you a bigot/racist/xenophobe. I know that in many left circles this is a priori false, but please hear me out.
In the decade between 2001 and 2011, the native population of the UK as a percentage of the total declined from 92 to 87 percent. If immigration was ever actually voted on, how many people do you think would support a policy that reduces the indigenous population’s share by 5 percentage points per year? In London, the capital and by far the largest city, 55% of the people are members of an ethnic minority. How many Japanese, Nigerians or Indians would vote for such a future if offered? I dare say close to zero.
So while you and many other commentators write that economic failure has led to increased xenophobia, for countless people immigration is a primary issue. They do not need to just be shown the error of their ways or have their salary increase to come to their senses.
Thanks for clarifying that just because you’re pissed off, doesn’t mean you’re a racist. I’m so sick of that bomb being lobbed around by clueless twits.
Great article.
Hey, Glenn…
In two different computers with two different operating systems I don’t see what follows:
It’s as though a tweet or something you meant to include is missing. Could be just me… and, maybe someone will put in a comment that which my computers refuse to display. Thanks in advance to anyone who can rescue me!
Similar problem with:
Am I the only one experiencing this?
Never mind…
Fixed it.
How did you fix it? Because I’ve been having the same problem…..with this article and others. :-s
The problem is Firefox. When I switched to Chrome, the problem disappeared. As the problem persisted, I assumed it was NoScript, UBlockOrigin or PrivacyBadger. When releasing them didn’t solve the problem, I switched browsers; one on which I have no filters… and, consequently, use only with great discretion.
I don’t know if Greenwald intended it as such, but this article is a pretty good essay on why Hillary Clinton maintains a vise-grip on the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs speeches.
“search in vein” should be “search in vain”. That is all. Carry on.
Thank you, Glenn Greenwald. What an amazing analysis!
What an article!!!
Brilliant job Glenn.
Spot on. Brilliant. Thank you.
Chris Hayes’ tweet:
But as noted, that is the choice we have. And it’s why I’ve been so reluctant to jump on board the Brexit wagon so many others in comments here have. If I were a black or brown person, how would I be feeling about the success of Leave? How should I be feeling?
Neoliberal elites prepared the way for this populist backlash, as Glenn describes above. Times of economic distress and misery are almost always ripe for racism and xenophobia. And I do ultimately blame the elites for the rise in popularity of these ugly realities.
But they remain ugly and popular nevertheless, and I’m quite alarmed at left-of-center Brexit supports who want to downplay — if not wholly ignore — what this surge in ugliness means. It’s nothing to be giddy about.
Mona,
I share your concerns but the Hudson interview argues persuasively that Brexit is ultimately a good thing for progressives everywhere.
What is the “Hudson interview?” Does it give the answer I ask for to black and brown people?
How Western Military Interventions Shaped the Brexit Vote
Michael Hudson argues that military interventions in the Middle East created refugee streams to Europe that were in turn used by the anti-immigrant right to stir up xenophobia @ The Realnews.com
It is referred to higher on this thread.
This essay is magisterial. Thank you, Glenn.
I have to stop right here for a moment…
Very recently, @billmon1 tweeted at the end of a short string:
Echoes…
re: the Vinncent Bevins piece
I was struck by his observation …and the only outlet they were offered to vent… and thought to myself: There are two messages there. I know which one our elites heard.
Meaning, given the few and infrequent opportunities to weigh in on a substantive issue, any outcome can speak to a collection of accumulated grievances, but the elite response and solution is likely to be “limit the outlets further.” The proverbial, Sorry I asked.
An indispensable 12:16 mins. discussion with economist Michael Hudson: “How Military Interventions [= US + NATO] Shaped the Brexit Vote” @ therealnews.com/t2/
The Real News’ synopsis: “Michael Hudson argues that military interventions in the Middle East created refugee streams to Europe that were in turn used by the anti-immigrant right to stir up xenophobia.”
he wrote a great book that explains the crony capitalism we live in very well:
https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Host-Financial-Parasites-Bondage/dp/3981484282/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466871867&sr=8-1&keywords=killing+the+host
Hudson has great wisdom in his analysis.
Yeah, like always.
This short one, from economist James Galbraith, might also interest you guys:-
https://diem25.org/the-day-after
Keyword Trumpism and populism – have a look at this:
http://imgur.com/gallery/bW0og
sad story – but maybe the chance to wake up – WAKE UP
best regards from a shocked german