During his presidential campaign, Donald Trump has made the decision to go to war in Iraq a major foreign policy litmus test, concluding that Hillary Clinton was “trigger-happy” for supporting what he called a “disaster.” But his apparent vice presidential pick, Indiana Republican Gov. Mike Pence, was a major proponent of that conflict.
Pence was a congressman then, and not only voted to authorize the Iraq War but was a co-sponsor of the war resolution.
“There is a nation, some 50 nations, that stand ready to end [Iraqis’] oppression, to dry their tears, and to lead Iraq into a new dawn of civilization, a new dawn of freedom from oppression and torture and the abuse of women and the stifling of basic civil and human rights,” he told the House of Representatives on the eve of the war, offering a messianic justification for invading the country that today suffers more from terrorism than any other in the world.
In 2007, as the United States escalated its troops presence in a bid to quell the country’s civil war, Pence visited Baghdad and proclaimed it to be “like a normal outdoor market in Indiana in the summertime.” Three months earlier, a suicide bomber detonated himself in the market, killing 88 people.
The vice presidency is often seen as a ceremonial role, but the person who holds the title often serves as an important foreign policy adviser — few would argue that Dick Cheney did not play a dominating role in the Bush administration’s torture and war policy. The Pence pick signals that Trump may not be so committed to the more restrained foreign policy he has flirted with on the trail.
Top photo: Pence introducing Trump at a campaign event in Westfield, Indiana, on July 12.
In America’s Corporate Cafeteria, we have choices that make America grate…
Blue Jello, or Red Jello. Who wants to fight for the right to eat what we become?
While Pence is obviously a pick to shore up his republican bone fides, Hillary Clinton is a proven war criminal.
Bernie Sanders is not returning my $27.00, says he has spent it already, which I think is a lie. So I am asking the staff of The Intercept to refund my donation to Bernie since I gave the money to Bernie because of their endorsement, but now I am feeling cheated. His endorsement for Crooked is like Goldman Sachs endorsing ISIS.
Maybe Trump is listening to his advisors. This could be a political decision based on regional politics. Indiana is in the mid-west, aka, the Rust Belt. Politics is often about coalition building. There was a major plant closing in Indiana with Carrier factory being closed and sent to Mexico. Maybe Pence will speak to these issues.
One thing is for sure, the Clinton team is unhappy about the selection. They see Mike Pence as a real challenge.
Dan Quayle, Bush 41’s vice president, was from Indiana.
Most doubtful.
This year he signed a bill that would have (had a federal court not enjoined it from taking effect) forced women who miscarry or have an abortion to essentially hold a funeral for the embryo or fetus.
When he ran for Congress, Pence proposed to compel federal programs that fund HIV/AIDS programs to pay for “conversion therapy.”
This isn’t the 1980s — Quayle could be a net vote-getter then. It’s very doubtful he could be now.
https://jackblueblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/an-essay-on-race/
“The Pence pick signals that Trump may not be so committed to the more restrained foreign policy he has flirted with on the trail.”
Of course not, Zaid. For fuck’s sake, the POTUS serves Empire and the ruling class. The POTUS isn’t a public servant. There is only continuity between administrations. And because the American working class has been de-mobilized and disengaged from class struggle for so long, because it has been irresponsible in failing to oppose the bipartisan warmongering agenda, overt fascists like Trump and Clinton can get away with their lies.
These are not sane rational people. Don’t look for any kind of logical reasoning. That would not be rational.
Instead, break out the popcorn and watch the comedy…
“The Pence pick signals that Trump may not be so committed to the more restrained foreign policy he has flirted with on the trail.”
Was there anyone on Trump’s short list that was committed to a restrained foreign policy? How about their views on Muslims and Freedom of Religion? Torture? Israel and the Palestinians?
There is nothing about Trump that indicates a tendency for restraint in foreign policy (not even trolling Hillary) And why should there be? Isn’t restraint one of the reasons Republicans call Obama weak?
The GOP wants unhinged for the Middle East and they’ll get it with a Trump administration.
Well vetted Donald—not. Is this really the best the USA can do? Donald, Hillary, really! I have been waiting years for “Nice”. Wait until they figure out how to use thousand dollar drones. Remember who led the charge to do regime change in Libya, duuuh, it would be France backed up by Obama/Hillary in the USA. We need to quit messing in other countries by military and by banksters and we need to do it now. If I was a young devoted Muslim and I watched “my” brothers being killed on a daily business by my governments, it would affect me, especially if I was a loser which most of the terrorists since 9/11 have been. Petty criminals with social problems; why are they not deported? Why?
He picks a religious zealot from the state which is the modern-day home of the KKK. You can’t make this shit up!
I wish the Intercept would ridicule the Ukrainian coup position held by its owner. This article epitomizes the pot calling the kettle black.
The United States went to the epicenter of the middle east and killed, injured, intentionally tortured and displaced over one million innocent human beings with malice and impunity. Why drag up yesterday’s news?
Does anyone believe we need more career politicians??
a 2004 Pentagon-commissioned report specified in listing the causes of terrorism: “American direct intervention in the Muslim world”; our “one-sided support in favor of Israel”; support for Islamic tyrannies in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia; and, most of all, “the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.” The report concluded: “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies.” Countless individuals who carried out or plotted attacks on the West have said the same.
Nobody should need official reports or statements from attackers to confirm what common sense makes clear: If you go around the world for years proclaiming yourself “at war,” bombing and occupying and otherwise interfering in numerous countries for your own ends — as the U.S. and U.K. have been doing for decades, long before 9/11 —
– – Chilcot Report – – a politicians that stands for the TTP
SO how was his job as governor?? or that of Christie’s ?? ALL want a bigger office?? 10 million to defend Bridge-gate?? (so far)
WE ARE FAR BETTER OFF WITHOUT THESE PEOPLE
“a 2004 Pentagon-commissioned report specified in listing the causes of terrorism: “American direct intervention in the Muslim world”; our “one-sided support in favor of Israel”; support for Islamic tyrannies in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia; and, most of all, “the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.”
To sum it all up in two words: Hillary Clinton
And yet the Dems and Obama would lead us to believe she’s the answer for world leadership. Insane. just like Trump.
After what happened in Nice, France, we really need to stop being the white imperialist and destroying people of the world for our “national onterests” . Our national interests areexactly that, n-a-t-i-o-n-a-l and do not go over borders. If we want to negotiate with others, then we do so, civilly and quit ripping them off– there is no reason why they should put up with it! The european countries will continue to experience this UNTIL they bring pressure on the US to cease. the US is insulated and has no reason to cease on its own because it is safe from its actions and knows no real accountability. As a FreeMarketer, the US will not impose any discilpine or limits on itself, best example being Iraq.
Jesus,the divide and conquer scum are out in force.
Pence,yes ,supported the war,but so did just about every demoncrat including the hell bitch,and she was and is more rabid that any republican.
Hopefully,unlike the hillaryous one,he has seen the error of his ways.
“Hopefully,unlike the hillaryous one,he has seen the error of his ways.”
Give us an example of a Republican politician seeing the “error of his ways” please.
I’m sorry, but if you don’t already understand that Trump is not running based on his keen intellect, a need fort public service on his experience. He is running for racism and because he needs the attention. Nobody cares about what he said ten minutes ago.
THE LEAD STORY SHOULD BE ABOUT JILL STEIN! Stop wasting time and space with crap about Trump.
The Intercept, like SO many other seemingly serious sites,
can’t seem to shake free of the bogus pretense
that the democrats and republicans are separate parties.
They keep showing how the notion of opposition parties is
a disguise used by democrats and republicans, but they just
cannot (will not?) allow themselves to drop the pretense.
This is typical of the vast majority of the “intelligencia”
whose lives are focused on being in the middle of the pretense.
There is some good information to be gleaned, but be on
guard against their habitual tendency to back away from
taking the necessary steps toward real progress.
It’s actually an indisputable fact that they ARE separate parties. Though I’m curious to know what “seemingly serious sites” concluded otherwise?
The democrats and republicans are both
fundamentally
so-called “Free Market” corporate controlled agents
who work together to maintain the movement toward
more corporate elite power over all aspects of life.
They use words to deceive, but the actual record shows
the agenda is the same.
One fascist group wears blue and the other wears red, but the
degeneration they both promote through their lies and
manipulations (Fear is their favorite tool) is on record and is
getting worse.
Clark…your criticism of The Intercept is not fair. I am a daily reader of this site and they seem to attack both republicans and democrats alike. Unlike other media, they have brought unbiased news that others have woefully failed to bring.
I DO NOT SEE ANY BOGUS PRETENSE FROM THE INTERCEPT (whatever that is). You can send your article to Washington Post, New York Times or any of the main stream media, definitely not The Intercept.
I read the intercept regularly and as far as I know, the
writers here generally present democrat corruption and republican
corruption separately. There are occasional exceptions and
I do think Glenn Greenwald is one of the best at revealing
the “bipartisan” (NOT) nature of the corruption, but I am waiting for
this site to really examine the rotten state of the faking U$A
without regularly separating the democrats and republicans
in their articles – as if the separation is of great importance
when the record shows that it is a sham.
As for the WP and the NYT, I do not have enough patience to
wade into their sewer and sift through their crap.
I also do not really know what you mean by saying that
my “criticism” “is not fair.” That sounds like you are a devotee
or a member of a fan club and, to me, THAT is hardly
something I can take seriously.
Now that Trump has chosen his mate, we can all rest assured that foreign policy will continued as ‘planned’. The neocons were worried that Trump wouldn’t keep pace with all the warlike actions of the US. Now, as with Cheney, they can rest assured that hostilities will continue unabated by a chairman that doesn’t understand how things ‘really’ work. The teabaggers too can rest assured that the theocracy they all desire will be well represented and of course cutting the ‘evil’ taxes on the wealthy. As usual nothing will change to help actual working Americans struggle with ever escalating financial difficulty.
Pence is a poor choice for VP, apparently brought on board as a blocking maneuver against the “Never Trump” GOPe.
A cardboard cut-out of Eisenhower would be better.
Hopefully, Pence will be able to cajole/arm twist Rino Republicans to follow Trump’s agenda. That agenda has me worried, but my fingers are crossed.
The role of a vice-presidential candidate is to balance the ticket. If Trump has criticized the Iraq war, he already has the support of those who opposed that war. Pence will add those who supported the war. Unfortunately for the Republicans, this may not be enough, as I don’t believe they can compete with Mrs. Clinton who simultaneously holds both positions. She balances the ticket all by herself.
Of course, the vast majority of Americans do not care about the war either way, since it did not affect them personally (at least not directly). So this will not be a key election issue. I had personally recommended Mr. Trump select a black trans-woman, Muslim with dual Mexican citizenship as his VP candidate. However, bull-headed and immune to reason as usual, he appears to have ignored this recommendation.
Exactly. And therefore, the vast majority of them also don’t care about Nice, France. On Fox shows last night every talking head said Americans are scared or worried about terror. I doubt that claim.
I also doubt that anyone believes there is a political soln to terror in the form of “gun control” or on-going “wars over there.” Apparently we need 5 ton truck control legislation.
A few talking heads mentioned, this is why we have to fight them over there so we don’t fight them here (meaning France). Well it seemed to me that hasn’t worked; that’s what you’re doing, try harder, isn’t going to work either.
Hillary said we are trying to elect a president, not a dictator? That disqualifies her from running. Queen Hillary is above the law #HillaryforPrison
What? You’re looking for consistency?
Democrats and republicans are two versions of the same
business as usual party.
ANY words from any of them are primarily used to give
a little buzz
and should not be taken at face value.
Clinton, Trump, Sanders,……. They ALL will say whatever
they think will distract and deceive the majority of voters
at any given time.
Even someone as knowledgeable as Noam Chomsky has
fallen for the game EVEN after he had REPEATEDLY stated
that there is only one major corporate party in the (faking) U$A.
If you vote for any democrat or republican, you
are either delusional or predatory
or both.
I mentioned Chomsky because of his delusional
support of voting for Hillary in “Swing states,”
without realizing or admitting
that you cannot have a “swing state” if the election
is divided evenly between the same corporate party –
even if that party uses two different faking names.
Nobody’s perfect but you.
Typical attack from a faker.
Why do you HAVE to vote?
Why are you trying to legitimise a corrupt system?
You are way off the mark on that assumption.
I never said anything which even remotely implied that
“you HAVE to vote.”
I wrote “If you vote” and then I clearly stated my assessment.
Also, I am not saying you shouldn’t vote,
if there is someone you can support who is really opposed to
the corrupt system.
However, Real opposition to the corruption
will not come from any democrat or republican,
so voting for any of them is a form of insanity.
Trump = hypocrite
Hilary = hypocrite
The election is meaningless.
The votes have no value
Until the citizenry understands this and are willing to force a change there will only be harsher suffering and oppression.
And please don’t tell me to vote for Jill Stein.
So, if Trump and Clinton are non-choices (which is painfully obvious) and you are not supporting Jill Stein (who actually supports policies I, as a Progressive, hold dear), then what do you suggest?
I seriously am interested in what you think is the intelligent path to take leading up to November 8th.
For me, it is Jill Stein. Talk me out of it.
At this point, you’re writing in names or going to the beach for 4 years.
Honestly, I would not vote for a Jew, sorry, call me what you like, but I am rather tired of the fact that a group who are less than 2% of the population dominate American politics. Seriously, every branch of engorgement is dominated by Jews, Congress through AIPAC, the supreme court and certainly Obama. Hollywood, the media, and on and on. I would really like some diversity in my politics, even Clinton is more interested in Israel than America. I guess diversity only applies when its about destroying American society…
Ok. You’re an anti-semite.
Ok. You’re an Israel-Firster.
Makes the same amount of sense.
Your blindness leads you to reject out of hand the only progressive candidate for president, the only one who has a position that opposes Zionist expansionism in Palestine: Jill Stein, because she is Jewish. By saying you would not vote for a Jew you demonstrate that you are an anti-Semite according to the correct definition of the word. And as an anti-Semite you demonstrate the classic characteristic of all racists, which is the lumping of all people of some particular persuasion or characteristic in a single class, as though they were all identical.
Holy shite Jews calling people who won’t vote for Jews,who totally are over represented in politics,govt and every other American venue(except soldiers),when Jews themselves overwhelmingly vote for fellow Jews(how else is toads like the traitor Shomer reelected?)is an exercise in hypocrisy and typical of their perfidy and lies.
You’re Donald Trump?
Recognizing the truth is not antisemitic,and Trumps son in law is on his campaign staff.Is he a self hating Jew?
You scum are the bane of the world,prepare for ejection to pluto.
A word of truth brings slings and arrows from the traitors within,as Israel uber alles is their mantra.
This is the real second American Revolution,against the hell bitch and all her minions from hades,the ziomonsters who have laid waste to the world and America.
Charlene, I do not want to talk you out of anything. You are doing what you feel is needed to correct what would be a no win situation. You want to support what I think is a wonderful women. I do not go against anyone or talk them out of any activity that’s aim is to create positive change. My experience is too many good people argue as to how desperately needed change needs to be brought about rather than encourage each other to take their own path. What the hell I mean look what came out of the Powell Memo and everything else our oppressors have come up with.
Viscerally I am at the point that our Republic may now be corrupted beyond the point of no return, and voting for Jill is just not enough of an answer for me as the current election process itself is a farce.
Christopher Hedges is correct when he argues that the only way to hold the democrats accountable is to vote for Jill Stein. Fuck Sanders and Warren for allowing themselves to be used by the Clinton’s and, by extension, Wall Street. More of Obama (in the person of Clinton) is merely more of Wall street. I hope Stein’s third party bid draws enough votes to insure Trump’s victory.
The Democrat Party (I used to call it “democratic” but it proved it is not with the fixed primary) is hopelessly corrupt, so Clinton is the appropriate choice and clearly represents how they operate and their bottom line. they are far more concerned with power, position and perks and could care less about good governance and peace.
I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 and will do so again to boost the Green Party numbers so that they can go 50-state wide before I die. Not sure what Bernie is up to; he seems to have something up his sleeve.
I applaud the Repubs House investigations of Clinton, because even though it was misdirected to derail Clinton, the Benghazi one revealed the secret email server, and that can lead to a lot of bigger potential serious lawbreaking, that could bring the Clinton Crime Family down.
The POTUS choice is terrible and it is the fault of both major corrupted political parties, with little difference between them on crucial issues. Just differences on social issues that don’t address our survivability.
What is the opposite of “words of wisdom”?
Nate, I think Albert Einstein said:
“The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.
Letting ourselves be fooled every four years that our “vote matters” because we elect our oppressors puppet is getting old.
So what are YOU doing about it Fellow Citizen, other than pontificating in a comments section?
What are you hearing confessions?
Nate just likes to be mean and nasty. It’s either a hobby or a personality disorder.
Usually best to ignore him (but nail him every now and then, just for good measure).
He also said:
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”
The question is, what is the wisest choice of an American voter on November 8th of this year?
The choices at this time appear to be Trump, Stein, Clinton and Johnson.
For me Clinton is the worst choice followed by Trump then Johnson and lastly Stein.
Stein is not even a “worst” choice as her policies are in sync with mine.
It just seems to me that Jill Stein is the best choice if one is an American Progressive.
Even if it means voting for her gives us Donald Trump.
The thought of Hillary Clinton becoming president makes me sick to my stomach and here is just one reason why:
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/defense-one-warmonger-clinton-likely-to-pick-warmonger-michele-flournoy-as-sec-of-defense/
I would seriously welcome an objective analysis of the candidates and what their presidencies might mean for the American people and the planet for the next four years.
I find the thought of Hillary Clinton becoming President to be so disgusting that it blows my mind that one single American would ever seriously consider supporting her to the highest office in the land.
She proved herself to be a total fraud in the past year by blatantly lying to the voters regarding her email server etc. She is a proven war criminal and I feel her dealings regarding The Clinton Foundation may yet prove to be worse than what she did with her emails/server.
It is unfathomable to me that the DNC would deliberately choose her as their nominee.
This is the wackiest political season of my life and perhaps Jill Stein’s suggestion of having 40 million Americans drowning in a sea of student loan debt that will be “bailed out” in a Stein administration could be the key to her winning the election.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45090.htm
Just getting Stein to poll at 15% to get her into the fall debates would be a huge win for the American voters.
I will do what I can to help her achieve that goal.
As backstabby as politics is nowadays, and as disastrous as Trump seems to be for Republicania, I should not be surprised if he talks Pence into withdrawing from the governor’s race, then turns around and nominates someone else, citing some juicy and marginally persuasive tidbit for the sudden change of heart. :)
Pence’s cheerleading-for-invasion speech on the House floor is an outstanding example of warmongering boosterism — well worth a read, if your stomach is strong.
Zaid quotes from the penultimate paragraph, which gives a pretty good sense of the flavor of the rant. I especially liked this, from the preceding para:
Some studies showed over a million were killed resulting from the Iraq War, and even before we invaded our sanctions were responsible for the deaths of 500,000 children.
As we were bringing freedom, democracy and American Values to Iraq BBC News reported April 17, 2009, “According to several studies of the US military…30% of military women are raped while serving (14% of them gang raped), 71% are sexually assaulted, and 90% are sexually harassed.”
According to data reported by BPW/USA … military women were 15 times more likely to be raped by their fellows than die in the war.
But they hate us for our freedoms.
And, you know, boys will be boys.
By the way:
No word about who was killed, of course, but you’ll be pleased to know that another 560 US ground troops will be arriving at a “recaptured airfield” near Mosul, “relatively quickly.”
Doug, hopefully the bomb did not land in the middle of another wedding celebration.
Isn’t the “boys will be boys” a kind of Stalin quote”?
Not sure, but remember: Stalin was “our” ally in the last war “we” “won.”
Good point and one not often made since the Cold War. We lost about 419,000 precious American souls as a result of WWII. The Soviets “our” ally lost about 27,000,000.
We needed each other then and it would be something for the leaders of both nations to focus on occasionally both publicly and privately as it may lessen the chance of runaway hawkish rhetoric.
They say they might have killed him on July 10th.???,again.
This is a funny post,as the hell bitch should be drawn and quartered for treason,war for zion,Libya,Ukraine Syria and points unknown,but Pence is the supreme baddie.
Holy shite.
So you’re saying we shouldn’t vote for Trump.
This isn’t surprising unless you believed Trump’s actions are guided by some moral framework. If so, God bless your little heart. Trump publicly opposed the war AFTER the invasion began and the wheels fell off.
You will approve any insane shit either Trump or Clinton does from the WH. Bless your little heart.
Q#1: shall we continue to target “Stan”?
Trump: Yes, build a wall around him
Clinton: Invade him, for humanitarian purposes of course
Nate: I grant approval for both!!
Nate highlights the division of labor. He is a PR grunt. I think people in his department may use the term ‘optics’. The product is shabby but his audience seems to be mostly colleagues so he has room to slack.
Here are some of the street grunts in action.
If by “street grunts in action” you mean two random dudes smoking. Stan, you need serious psychological help.
I have no desire to continue speaking to a mentally unhinged individual, so this will be the last time we chat.
I eagerly anticipate your future Trump (or HRC) public relations product rollout.
Nate, is the random Central Park grunt smoking a camera zoom lens?
Fast forward about 3/4 the way through to confirm.
I don’t get the appeal of Pence then again I was pretty sure trump was going to lose the primary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItTOCRs8vz8
You miss the big point;No one in the republican party opposed Iraq except Dr.Ron Paul.And almost no one in the democratic party opposed the war.
So Trump has to choose from a pool of proven wrong people,as their is no other republican choice,unless he chose Dr.Paul himself,which I would applaud heartily,but the average republican (and demoncrat)knuckleheads imbued with the martial spirit of zioprop,might not.
We aint voting for Pence,Gingrich or any other rethug,we are voting
Trump.
The news of the truck attack in Nice has just started coming in. While it is too early to say who is responsible, there is a high probability that ISIS or similar Islamist Jihadist is involved.
Both Hollande and Merkel have actively brought all the Syrian refugees into Europe instead of sending them to Iran, Jordan, Turkey, UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia where they would have been more comfortable. Now the poor people of France and Germany have to pay the price.
I think we should throw both France and Germany out of NATO because their leaders are stupid and have themselves developed confirmed suicide-bombing syndrome. We should not tolerate this kind of stupid friends. Same goes for Trudeau of Canada whose Syrian imports have started to trickle down south of their border in search of warmer weather and better jobs.
…..such droll, playful commentary…..when can we expect insightful, rationale commentary about current, important international policies…..
…..oh, you forgot to mention anything about Brussels…..
…..as to Nice….another painful event which is the result of a twisted ideology…….
NATO’s a Cold War relic being [mis]used to start another one.
Speaking of tools…
If you add 26 more nations to the list, I’m with you.
As a Frenchman, I agree we should get out of NATO and not just us, the whole EU so that we can dictate our own foreign policy and not be subjuctated to a country that creates more problems than it solves and leaves us to pick up the pieces and face the refugee crisis it creates. But that’s another discussion.
Ffs the victims are still agonizing and you’re already using it to promote your shitty reasoning. We know nothing of the attacker yet, but you seem to think it was the refugees fault. Do you also know the lottery numbers by any chance ?
Did some terrorists used the refugee flow to go in incognito ? Yes, that was a conclusion of the investigation on the November 13th attacks. But they make up a significantly small porton of the actual refugees, most of whom are fleeing a war zone.
To think we should just bury our head in the sand and they’ll go away is childish at best. We should instead deploy more resources to vet them and integrate them. Find out who really is a Syrian/Lybian/Erythrean/… basically people who are refugees and deserve protection under INTERNATIONAL LAW (none of those pakistani or tunisian opportunists, I’m sorry but priorities must still be set). If we vet them, teach them the language, rules and customs and give them a formation/job, we will benefit from it and prevent attacks. That’s what common sense dictates. Many of them actually had a degree or a job back in Syria, my uni is starting a program to tutor some refugees who want to go back to studying.
I agree we should force Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar to take refugees, seeing as they have taken NONE and actually have contributed to the civil war by funding every islamist group they could find. But Jordan ? Hell no, there are already too many there, I don’t know how they manage it and I fear there will be consequences there.
As for Turkey, we shouldn’t send the refugees there, since Erdogan is such a sociopath he’ll use them for his political advantage. He’s already threatened to open the gates if he doesn’t get what he wants
You would know that if you’d bothered to research the subject a bit but I suspect you’re just one of those Americans that know NOTHING of the geopolitical and domestic situation in Europe and the Middle East but still think you have a right to open your ignorant mouth
Ironically, at about the same time French media were reporting that ID found with the attacker indicates that he was a French-Tunisian dual national, living in Nice, Hollande was giving a press conference and telling everyone that he is extending the state of emergency and calling up reserves — with special attention to the borders.
The images from the promenade are horrendous. The suffering can be felt over here. Solidarité.
Note the naked hypocrisy of no pictures from Iraq,Syria,Libya or elsewhere suicide bomb attacks.Goddamn zionists Hollande and Sarkosy have sold France down the river of disaster.
Stupid f*cking French for joining the war of terror for Zion.
They miss Chirac desperately,a voice of sanity.
Quite right. Demonstrated here daily.
Now that ISIS is being slowly defeated, you Frenchmen should send the Syrians back to rebuild their country. Don’t keep them in your country to do your cheap menial labor. That’s why you really want them, and not because you guys are magnanimous.
If you guys had not bombed Gaddaffi Libya would have been quite different today. For centuries you Frenchmen have exploited the entire continent of Africa, enslaving their people and stealing their wealth. Now that you are running out of loot that you had robbed you start this hypocritical business of importing refugees and creating mess all over again. I usually overlook the crap people write here, but I can’t stand hypocrisy and deceit, except when it is from Mona.
IsUS slowly defeated?
About the same speed as the Taliban?Jesus Christ.
The only way to defeat IsUS is for US to stop supporting it and its funders the gulf states,and Israel,where their wounded get treated.
No dough,no IsUS,alnUSrA,or AlCIAda.
For once I agree with you: Germany and France should leave NATO, immediately. And get the American occupiers out of Germany, including the NSA scum.
Once that happens, it will be interesting to see how the US and its British allies manage the logistics of providing the necessary troops in eastern Europe to continue the provocation of Russia. (No more Atlantic seaports; no overflights of France and Germany.) In short, your proposal will accomplish what should have happened when the wall came down: the demise of NATO in response to the collapse of the Warsaw Pact.