Last Updated | Thursday, 5:18 p.m.
In a remarkable show of disunity at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Sen. Ted Cruz was booed and heckled by many delegates on Wednesday night as it became clear that he had no intention of endorsing Donald Trump for the presidency.
Cruz, who had called Trump “a pathological liar” and “utterly amoral” when he dropped out of the race for the Republican nomination in May, refused to follow the lead of two of the other defeated candidates, Gov. Scott Walker and Sen. Marco Rubio, who did endorse the billionaire in their speeches.
Watching Cruz give what seemed like a campaign speech for himself, Trump’s children sat in silence.
The Trump kids are NOT enjoying @tedcruz's #RNCinCLE speech. pic.twitter.com/leQhiJ36Dx
— Matt Wilstein (@TheMattWilstein) July 21, 2016
Near the end of his speech, however, there were cheers and a ripple of applause from the delegates when Cruz looked into the camera and said, “To those listening, please don’t stay home in November.”
Ted Cruz at #GOPConvention: "Don't stay home in November…vote your conscience." https://t.co/BTp3EagI1x
— ABC News (@ABC) July 21, 2016
But Cruz was then jeered as he pointedly stopped short of asking Americans to vote for Trump, saying instead: “If you love our country and love your children as much as I know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscience — vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.”
As reporters in the hall noted, Trump supporters, led by the New York delegation directly in front of the stage, chanted for Cruz to endorse the nominee, yelled “say it!” and heckled and booed him when he did not.
That is louder than any boo Hillary Clinton got here.
— Nick Confessore (@nickconfessore) July 21, 2016
Trump crowd turning on Cruz pic.twitter.com/BCjUp2Aiv4
— Graham Moomaw (@gmoomaw) July 21, 2016
Delegates scream "Trump! Trump!" at @SenTedCruz and "Wrap it up!" Booed for not endorsing @realDonaldTrumpz pic.twitter.com/ZYpJqSfwsO
— James Rosen (@JamesRosenFNC) July 21, 2016
The uproar intensified as Cruz moved on to his closing remarks, and Trump suddenly appeared in the hall before the senator had finished speaking, drawing the spotlight, and the cameras, away from his rival.
Donald Trump just walked into #RNCinCLE convention hall as Sen. Ted Cruz ended speech, stealing crowd's attention pic.twitter.com/vdXSnmmpgY
— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) July 21, 2016
Here are the boos as Cruz refuses to endorse Trump: #RNCinCLE pic.twitter.com/RPo15m39S2
— Ryan Nobles (@ryanobles) July 21, 2016
The booing, mixed with some applause from the senator’s supporters in the hall, continued as Cruz finally concluded his remarks and retreated from the stage.
The floor as Cruz ended his speech pic.twitter.com/0o9iMjvUDy
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) July 21, 2016
The boos for Cruz, from the floor near the Alabama and Oklahoma delegations #RNCinCLE pic.twitter.com/oEyA9cMJZe
— Dan Froomkin (@froomkin) July 21, 2016
cruz's reception from the crowd takes me back to when I used to debate him in college. pretty much same reactions.
— Austan Goolsbee (@Austan_Goolsbee) July 21, 2016
The senator’s wife, Heidi Cruz, was seen being escorted from the convention floor as delegates hurled abuse at her too.
HEIDI CRUZ escorted out by security as crowd gets angry at Cruz for his speech. One Trump supporter shouting "Goldman Sachs!" at her
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) July 21, 2016
Angry Ken Cuccinelli escorting Heidi Cruz out as Trump supporters yell at her pic.twitter.com/G6USuhoSx2
— Graham Moomaw (@gmoomaw) July 21, 2016
Immediately after the debacle, Clifford Young, an alternate in the California delegation, told my colleague Mattathias Schwartz that he was one of those who booed Cruz, shouting “Get off the stage!”
“He was supposed to be supporting Donald Trump,” Young said. “It’s sour grapes. He needs to go back to Texas. And stay in Texas.”
As several observers noted, the lack of an endorsement was far from surprising, given that Trump had chosen to make the race for the nomination deeply personal, first by referring to Cruz as “Lyin’ Ted,” then by mocking the senator’s wife as unattractive and finally going so far as to suggest that his Cuban father might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
"@Don_Vito_08: "A picture is worth a thousand words" @realDonaldTrump #LyingTed #NeverCruz @MELANIATRUMP pic.twitter.com/5bvVEwMVF8"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 24, 2016
ICYMI: Trump goes after Cruz's father, saying Rafael Cruz has ties to Lee Harvey Oswald https://t.co/SLhBHIPEVGhttps://t.co/T7j4yptWB9
— FOX & Friends (@foxandfriends) May 3, 2016
Republican delegates surprised that Cruz didn't endorse guy that suggested his father was involved in JFK assassination. So they boo him.
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) July 21, 2016
On Thursday morning, when a member of the Texas delegation accused the senator of breaking his promise to support the party’s nominee, Cruz said “that pledge was abrogated the day this became personal.”
Ted Cruz on Trump: "I am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and who attack my father." https://t.co/3sRTdei3BV
— ABC News (@ABC) July 21, 2016
“I am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father,” he said. “That pledge was not a blanket commitment that if you go and slander and attack Heidi that I’m going to nonetheless come like a servile puppy dog and say, ‘Thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father.'”
I think many people are missing the most important issue here: this is the response anybody who disagrees with the Donald can expect. Long live the Emperor!
I didn’t vote for Ted Cruz, and I’m from Stafford, Fort Bend County.
Courageous act. Disagree with his politics, but admire his courage in not endorsing an evil phony.
So, the anointed one who was suppose to preside over the “end of times” transference of wealth from the Godless masses to the deserving righteous, is still smarting from something a political opponent said months ago. I wonder how many times Cruz has replayed those insults in his mind, mumbling to himself in front of the bathroom mirror, grimacing in a daze at dinner while his kids scream at him – dreaming of the perfect comeback; the knockout punch? His rage finally culminates in a with-holding of affection from the Donald best described as a loud pout, (with a few empty platitudes about freedom thrown in for the cheap seats).
And I just wanted to mention the absolute ineptitude of the Hillary campaign.
Apparently, from what I’ve read, she’s considering Tim Kaine and Corey Booker. Tim Kaine is pro-Life, so they think that they’ll win over pro-life voters, and Corey Booker is Black and possibly (according to some reports) gay. So maybe she thinks she’s going to win Gay votes.
Her biggest problem right now is winning progressive votes. The republican pro-lifers or the Log Cabin Republicans, or Black Lives Matter, are never going to vote for her. Most of them would rather stay home or vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. And these people are running around looking for a democrat that they think will appeal to Independents or Republicans. The Hillary Clinton campaign is retarded, and out of touch. A speech by Bernie Sanders is not going to get her his supporters. It’s unbelievable how stupid this campaign is. And they’re all getting paid millions, to make sure a shoo-in is going to lose.
Good Luck in November. Ignore Bernie supporters at your peril. All hail President Trump (i.e. President Mike Pence).
As a conservative, I thought Cruz’s speech was great, and I respect Cruz more for it.
You can’t honestly believe in certain principles and then endorse a candidate that does not stand for them, and that calls you a liar, your wife ugly, and accuses your father of killing JFK. Cruz’s call for unity and voter turnout, decrying Hillary, and telling people to vote their in such a have a clear conscience is really the best anyone should have hoped for.
Cruz did not speak out against Trump at Trump’s big show and that is proper decorum, but he also didn’t go against his principles. It gives conservatives hope that Cruz at least believes the ideas he says.
Might not be the speech the Trumpsters wanted to hear, but was by far and away one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard. People should really listen to all of it.
Ah, the RNC is such a joke – but no fear, the DNC will be just as much of a joke. Here’s one of the better send-ups of these two pathetic parties I’ve seen:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/07/rnc-war-party-dnc-war-makers.html
Now, if Bernie Sanders has any standards at all, if his whole campaign wasn’t just some kind of manipulative act, then he’ll pull a Ted Cruz at the DNC. If, on the other hand, he continues his wholehearted endorsement of Hillary “Thatcher” Clinton, aka Madam War Pig, then every single one of his supporters should shift their vote to Jill Stein of the Green Party.
I’m a Bernie Bro. I’m OK with Bernie’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton. Hillary had more votes and more delegates so she wins. Bernie agreed to support the Democrat candidate early on and if he had won the nomination, he would have expected Hillary’s support.
Bernie is a righteous dude. He did the right thing.
Sure Bernie is a nice guy, but after he endorsed drone strikes and said almost nothing else about foreign policy, that was a sign that he didn’t actually have a coherent strategy for turning his rhetoric about free college education, public healthcare, infrastructure and clean energy, etc. into any kind of workable reality.
But, it could be argued, that he “did the right thing” by living up to his promise to endorse Hillary if she won the primary – but it was clearly rigged by the DNC and the superdelegates on behalf of Wall Street interests, and that’s Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wassserman Schultz being a lying scheming con artist, and that is not supportable.
By this argument, Ted Cruz “did the wrong thing” by not living up to the pledge to endorse Trump; but whatever.
The fact is, the only person who now has a believeable workable platform is Jill Stein and the Green Party, who have acknowledged that to carry out Bernie Sander’s domestic program, the foreign military budget has to be cut; that means getting out of NATO and closing many foreign military bases. Bernie Sanders has become irrelevant, ‘righteous dude’ or not, and all his supporters should move over to the Green Party.
This issue, the foreign military budget and the U.S. role in Afghanistan, eastern Europe, Syria, Asia, etc. should be central to this election, but the media is trying as hard as it can to ignore it. Why is that, I wonder?
A lot of issues are in play. Trump is bringing a populist viewpoint into the debates. I will set aside my general dislike of the Republicans and listen to what Trump has to say. Things are changing. Paul Ryan, the republican speaker of the house, is in a real tussle in Wisconsin. We might have a new populist majority leader in the house.
I like Trump a lot more than I do Ryan. I’m not at all happy with Hillary, but I will let her make her case. Bill’s antics on the tarmac with Lynch should be automatically disqualifying, but I’ll let Hillary make her case anyway. I want to see what Trump has to offer.
What if Trump came out with a Marshall plan for Mexico, to go hand in hand with the wall?
What if Trump Taxed Wall Street to help Main Street?
Trump says he is the Law and Order Candidate, Does that mean that the era of Too Big to Fail is over?
Will Trump dial back the military engagements in Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria?
It’s too early to get pessimistic. Get out your meerschaum pipe and deerstalker cap.
The game is afoot.
I think Bernie’s endorsement of Hillary is more of a “fear of Trump” than “love for Hillary.
I’ve been following US politics thoroughly for about 20 years, and even as a kid I used to read the international editions of Time and Newsweek. People like Bernie, with all his faults, are few and far between, nowadays. George H. W. Bush, is a saint, compared to the current crop of Democrats and Republicans.
Jill Stein 2016!
But I have a feeling, Trump is going to win. Thanks to the genius Democrats.
Uh huh. Sanders has fought the good fight for 25 years, whilst your heroine, Jill Stein, has been elected, uh, when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ySJLIc5BJM
i am humbled by knowledge experience and resources and thank you for your honest and sincere assessment of our predicament.
i know of someone who lost $300,000,000 to wallstreet thieves and they were very pissed off. And they counted on me for something.
he was the lead person
I read elsewhere on TI that Joe Arpaio was “escorted” into the Convention by police. What are the chances that Trump will bring him and/or Giuliani to Washington to direct and oversee law enforcement? When Trump is finished, America will have a deep understanding of why it is critical that the government obey the law.
Oh come on, how would that be any different from Obama, Alexander, Clapper, Holder, Lynch and Comey? This whole Democratic line about the ‘threat of Trump’ just doesn’t hold water. Obama’s been deporting everyone, running domestic mass surveillance, giving corporate criminals a pass, persecuting journalists and whistleblowers like no ever president in history – and loyal Democrats keep giving him a pass.
That narrative is bogus garbage; and when it comes to foreign policy, it’s pretty hard to deny that Clinton at least just as likely to start foreign wars as any Republican; she’s basically promoting the neocon ideology of Bush 2003 – which explains her pro-Iraq War vote, doesn’t it?
Cruz is a self -serving, vindictive,SOB!!! I disliked him from the start!!! He is a selfish deceiver that uses the name of God in vain and I think that a lot of people saw this during the primaries! He is not what he preaches ! Speaker Bohner called him “Satan on the Flesh” for a reason!!!
I got it!He’s hillaryous’s running mate!
He killed any chance of ever being the republican candidate,the little dweeb weirdo.
he was making his intro speech for himself for 2020nd/or, holding out for a promise from DT for a scotus seat.
for sure a little dweeb weirdo. We were diss-cussing him. I suggested he go to mexico and run there and someone said he should go “back” to cuba, reclaim his residency and citizenship, and run against castro and then negotiate a deal with the US.
This is not satisfying. What would have been satisfying would have been if Ted Cruz had gone up on stage and said that yes, he’d had a long and bitter campaign against Trump for the Republican nomination, but that in order to stop Hillary Clinton from occupying the White House, he has no choice but to back the one candidate with a chance of beating her in the general election and a broad base of support in the Republican Party, the former governor of the Great State of New Mexico, Gary Johnson! :)
if he werent such a condescending impertinent self-whoring cowardly self-agrandising follower and understood what leadership really is, he would. Alas, risk only works after you sell yourself to Goldnoman Sachs, just ask his wife of hillary.
What’s the big deal, he refused to endorse Trump before he went on. Trump in his arrogance thought Cruz would cow-tow like many other Republican’s. He underestimated Cruz’s ambition: hard, nasty, unprincipled and egocentric as his own. Cruz just took a page from Trump’s playbook and did what Trump does best, put himself front and center. Dissembling the dissembler. Imitation, is, the highest form of flattery, or so they say.
This is not democracy at all!!! America got is wrong, both democrats and republicans. American crowd can be likened to the Roman plebeians (crowds) in the day of Julius Caesar, in fact I see a similarity then and now. So, how much have we evolved to accommodate another’s stand? Ted did not want to swallow Trump’s shit like the other GOP contestants did. It is very shameful to endorse Trump after dueling with him on the stage of debate.
And what was Geert Wilders doing at the republican convention? I’d be surprised if a single person at that convention knew who the fuck Geert Wilders is. Somebody should look into how AIPAC got a Dutch Jewish parliamentarian a speaking gig at the RNC. There is no way, republicans came up with Geert Wilders on their own.
. . .who happens to be an extremist Islamophobe (far worse than Trump) and best buddies with charmers like Le Pen.
Oh, and he wants to replace Article I of the Constitution of the Netherlands with a version that specifies the superiority of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
They may not know him, but he fits right in with today’s Repugs.
Oh I believe he fits right in alright. But since they don’t know him, I can’t think of who other than AIPAC would come up with idea of an invite for him. I bet there’s meat in this if somebody cares to look into it.
The obvious explanation is that Pamela Gellar invited him. So just for laughs I looked it up and…. he’s apparently at an event “Gays for Trump” with Milo Yannopoulos and Pamela Gellar ( http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/13/milo-and-geller-to-headline-gays-for-trump-event-at-republican-national-convention/ ) Either that or I’m reading a parody without realizing it – nowadays it is really really hard to tell what’s serious and what’s a comedy.
In all seriousness though, I should add that Republicans have eagerly taken up the “think globally” slogan that liberals once used, even as liberals have forgotten it. Believe me, when they invite Netanyahoo to give a speech at a time right before the Israeli election when speeches aren’t allowed normally, they know what they’re doing, and they know he’s an Israeli Republican. Only the Democrats talk about working with foreign leaders with seemingly no idea or concern whether they are Democrats or not.
Frankly, I was glad to see Cruz refuse to endorse Trump. Trump is a hatemonger, and is a reflection of the worst of America. The death of the Republican Party will be because nobody else is standing up against him.
As distasteful as Cruz is, that took guts.
Most of the other Republicans are too busy fellating Trump to stand up against him, because they don’t want to lose their voting base. Even if Cruz does have his eye on 2020, I feel like he was being sincere and was really following his conscience when he took that remarkable stand. I think you could count on both hands the number of politicians who are that honest.
Trump, Clinton… who is more or less evil? Just remember a vote for the lesser evil is still a vote for evil. Americans are so grossly uninformed and so easily distracted that our whole political system has become a joke. Our farcical elections are nothing more than Game Day at the circus. GO, TEAM, GO!!!!
The whole Democrat-Republican false dichotomy is just a great big joke, and the American people are the punchline.
I don’t know if ‘gutsy’ is the right word.
*at least he’s not friends with Lucifer. h/t Dr. Ben Carson
That’s awesome.
“This isn’t a team sport,” Cruz said at one point. “You don’t just put on red jerseys and blue jerseys and say ‘yay!’ This is about principles.”
You know, Lucifer gets no sympathy at all, which is a shame. See Mark Twain:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/twain/letearth.htm
A debate between Ben Carson and Mark Twain. . . now that would be priceless.
Guts ? Conscience? Honesty?
Please, it was self-serving driven by ambition, ego, pride, not to forget Trump dissed his wife, his parents, his character, his raison d’être. It was playground / street – you dissed me, now I’m gonna to diss you. Cruz is as unprincipled as Trump. No doubt he will spin it for all it’s worth if he runs in 2020, the man who stood up to Trump when most all other Republicans were falling over themselves to stay in his good books.
As distasteful as Cruz is, that took guts.
Cowardly Cruz just kept spitting from under his rock.
To paraphrase somebody; Trump is really bad but he is better than all the others running (that might win). A lot of money and media have been expended against him; really makes me wonder why. We know Hillary, she has a record as a wall st., wall mart war mongering corporate whore; like a white female Obama without the class. Trump has no political record and from what I can discern he is a NY liberal. What he would do or could do; who knows but more of the same??? He could always be impeached, considering the alternative, he may be worth giving a chance. How come noone in their 40s or 50s is on the ballot?
To see a politician show some kind of principle (even if it can be deemed self-serving) is noteworthy.
Ted reminds me of the gay-preacher-vampire from True Blood. Trying to set aside the fact that it’s reasonable not to trust any politicians (cuz they’re all Lyin Hilliaries), can’t get past the True Blood recall, so I just don’t trust the bloke.
Nixon’s strategy was to run to the right as hard as he could then run back to the center. Trump is starting his general election run pretty close to the center and could easily run to the left of Hillary. He is already talking about reinstating Glass-Steagall and breaking up the big banks.
I’m looking for Trump to re-purpose some of Bernie’s ideas:
Free or greatly reduced tuition for job training areas like nursing, EMTs, Cyber Security, etc
A Wall Street Sales Tax
Trump could could change bankruptcy laws to make student loans dischargeable and shorten the recovery period for declaring bankruptcy.
Trump is offering real solutions to ordinary people’s concerns. The debates are going to be interesting.
Ted Cruz is Old News.
I suspect you may be correct. I find mildly amusing that Bill Maher want Clinton to win becuase I see her as a George W.; she’s a neocon. I think Trump is a democrat.
But what does it really matter?
• Folks seem to be very jingoistic and delusional about all this political bs. It’s like a box o chocolates, people don’t know what they’re getting.
• Zaid reported on how Republicans used to be and noted a book about third parties: “Others”. It’s seems Dems/Rep do flip flops.
Trump is a wild card, but thanks to him, we are not looking at a Bush/Cruz ticket. We may be looking at a realignment. Obama had a chance to set the terms of a political re-balancing in the US, but chose not to. Obama was very status quo.
Trump is putting everything up for grabs. Those are the conditions needed fro realignment. calcified polices cemented in place during the Cold War era need to be broken loose and reassembled.
Lockerbie Pan Am 103
Posted on Scribd – the concealed 167 page Scottish police report of 5th June 1989 confirming PFLP-GC as the perpetrators of the Lockerbie atrocity.
https://www.scribd.com/document/318902140/Lockerbie-Pan-Am-103-DS-Connor-Report-5th-June-1989
My goodness, when do we ever hear/read about the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. It’s an interesting group its founder or head Ahmed Jibril was a Syrian officer… this begins to shed light on most ‘Palestine’ groups. Syria no more sees a Palestinian Arab peoples right to the land everyone bitches about than they do an Israeli peoples right to the land… Israel is Southern Syria to them.
And by them I believe I mean the Assads. Syria has been for the most a conglomerate of crime families… but really could describe the entire middle east in that way.
Actually, come to think of it, we really never hear of any ‘Palestinian’ group except the Israelis themselves. I guess since Arafat is dead the PLO is too huh. And Ahmed Jibril’s son GEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAD Jibril was reportedly blown up in Lebanon several yrs ago. I believe they blamed the Israelis on that one but I sorta doubt it.
Everyone gets blown up, blow this group up, that one… they love it. The Hamitic folks really love the explosives.
Interesting. I wonder what the deal was between Trump and Cruz to have the latter speak at the convention. If it was that Cruz was to say such and such, then it shows him as untrustworthy and a liar. If on the other hand, the deal was for Cruz to speak his mind, then it shows him as true to his principles. Now personally I cannot stand what he stands for, but from what Robert reports, what he said was pretty much true.
The response his speech got is eerily reminiscent of what happened when someone had the temerity to speak up against Hitler.
I take it all back – at least the first paragraph. I made my comments based on the above and the article in the NY Times, which left out what is reported in Der Spiegel, namely that Cruz was making a pitch for his own candidacy in four years time, implying that Trump will be defeated in November. This shows that he really does belong in Texas, under a rock, rattlesnake that he is.
You are pathetic.
The hell bitch is Hitler in drag,and just as dumb war wise.
What an absolute clown show. I’m at a complete loss for words to describe this whole room full of petulant children. What an embarrassment to the human race is Trump, Cruz and the entire RNC.
Who has more dead innocents on their hands,HRC or Trump?Who promises more of the same garbage we endure every day?HRC.Who is the most corrupt screwup in American history?HRC.
Maher is a zionist crud,of course they want their whore in power.
Her election will be like 9-11,very good for Israel.
“Clowns are the pegs on which the circus is hung.”
–P.T. Barnum
I wonder how difficult it is for his wife to feign fear considering that she possessed prior knowledge of the threats that the convention attendees had chosen to make against her, and that he also possessed the same prior knowledge and chose to feign anger (or fear) simultaneously.
feign as in fake as in fony as in pretend as in con…?
perhaps goldman sachs has seminars in “fakery”.
i have seen a few imbeciles in my life, a few. But Ted Cruz takes the frosting on that cake. Ever know someone who picks his boogers and eats them for lunch? I cannot explain why but Ted Cruz is a serious booger eater. The guy is just plain out to lunch. If he were not very educated, i imagine he would be a drug kingpan or a seriel killer. Can’t quite put my finger on it but something is wrong with him. If i had to place my bet on his doppleganger, Jim Jones or David Koresh.
dollars to donuts – as the election winds up, he will proposition DT for a supreme court nomination.
“he will proposition DT”
I cannot unsee.
I agree. There something about his aura (but that’s not the right word) that is off; he reminds of a True Blood character w/ incompatible characteristics.
things couldn’t be going worse for the right wing than it is now. i’ve read predictions that there won’t be an republican president for a generation. now, we need a democratic congress and 1,2,3 or more progressive supreme court justices and maybe the USA can start to catch up with the california republic.
it really doesn’t matter, glenn will be twist himself up in pain about everything regardless.
California;The land of fruits and nuts.
which is about to have a mexican governor, then open the flood gates to invade and occupy more states to take political power, and run their drug operations on Americans, then buy more politicians and finally entertain the anexation of U.S. territories by mexico so says reconquista and grupo beta and a whole lot more.
There are 250,000,000 people south of the border living under $10 a day. What’s easier, a revolution in your country or invading someone else’s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sPVFLOw4lk
These Trump supporters truly scare me..
Yes I am White and Christian. But an imigrant from Europe who knows what a Neo Nazi looks and feels like when he see’s or hears one…
This is awful.
Welcome to “reality” TV in the US. What is really awful is that actual citizens tolerate this nonsense.
Ukrainian?
Hey,the NY lying times says restrictions on journalism are less in Ukraine.
They shoot them,that’s how loose.
Go back.