As Hillary Clinton puts together what she hopes will be a winning coalition in November, many progressives remain wary — but she has the war hawks firmly behind her.
“I would say all Republican foreign policy professionals are anti-Trump,” leading neoconservative Robert Kagan told a group gathered around him, groupie-style, at a “foreign policy professionals for Hillary” fundraiser I attended last week. “I would say that a majority of people in my circle will vote for Hillary.”
As the co-founder of the neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century, Kagan played a leading role in pushing for America’s unilateral invasion of Iraq and insisted for years afterward that it had turned out great.
Despite the catastrophic effects of that war, Kagan insisted at last week’s fundraiser that U.S. foreign policy over the last 25 years has been “an extraordinary success.”
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s know-nothing isolationism has led many neocons to flee the Republican ticket. And some, like Kagan, are actively helping Clinton, whose hawkishness in many ways resembles their own.
The event raised $25,000 for Clinton. Two rising stars in the Democratic foreign policy establishment, Amanda Sloat and Julianne Smith, also spoke.
The way they described Clinton’s foreign policy vision suggested that if elected president in November, she will escalate tensions with Russia, double down on military belligerence in the Middle East, and generally ignore the American public’s growing hostility to intervention.
Sloat, the former deputy assistant secretary of state in the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs, boasted that Clinton will be “more interventionist and forward-leaning than Obama’s been” in Syria. She also applauded Clinton for doing intervention the right way, through coalitions instead of the unilateral aggression that defined the Bush years.
“Nothing that [Clinton] did was more clear than the NATO coalition that she built to defend civilians in Libya,” said Sloat, referencing the Obama administration’s overthrow of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. That policy, spearheaded by Clinton, has transformed a once-stable state into a lawless haven for extremist groups from across the region, including ISIS.
Kagan has advocated for muscular American intervention in Syria; Clinton’s likely pick for Pentagon chief, Michelle Flournoy, has similarly agitated for redirecting U.S. airstrikes in Syria toward ousting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
Smith told the audience that unlike Trump, Clinton “understands the importance of deterring Russian aggression,” which is why “I’ll sleep better with her in the chair.” She is a former deputy national security adviser to Vice President Joe Biden.
Smith left the government to become senior vice president of Beacon Global Strategies, a high-powered bipartisan consulting group founded by former high-ranking national security officials.
When Robbie Martin, a filmmaker who recently produced a three-part documentary on the neoconservative movement, asked how Clinton plans to deal with Ukraine, Kagan responded enthusiastically.
“I know Hillary cares more about Ukraine than the current president does,” Kagan replied. “[Obama] said to me [that he wouldn’t arm Ukraine because] he doesn’t want a nuclear war with Russia,” he added, rolling his eyes dismissively. “I don’t think Obama cares about Putin anymore at all. I think he’s hopeless.”
Kagan is married to Victoria Nuland, the Obama administration’s hardline assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs. Nuland, who would likely serve in a senior position in a Clinton administration, supports shipping weapons to Ukraine despite major opposition from European countries and concerns about the neo-Nazi elements those weapons would empower.
Another thing neoconservatives and liberal hawks have in common is confidence that the foreign policy establishment is right, and the growing populist hostility to military intervention is naïve and uninformed.
Kagan complained that Americans are “so focused on the things that have gone wrong in recent years, they miss the sort of basic underlying unusual quality of the international order that we’ve been living in.
“It’s not just Donald Trump,” Kagan said. “I think you can find in both parties a very strong sense that we don’t need to be out there anymore.”
“If, as I hope, Hillary Clinton is elected, she is going to immediately be confronting a country that is not where she is,” he said. “She is a believer in this world order. But a great section of the country is not and is going to require persuasion and education.”
Sloat agreed, arguing that “it’s dangerous” for people to draw anti-interventionist lessons from Libya and Iraq.
The Clinton-neocon partnership was solidified by Trump becoming the Republican nominee. But their affinity for each other has grown steadily over time.
The neoconservative Weekly Standard celebrated Clinton’s 2008 appointment as secretary of state as a victory for the right, hailing her transformation from “First Feminist” to “Warrior Queen, more Margaret Thatcher than Gloria Steinem.”
But the fundraiser was perhaps the most outward manifestation yet of the convergence between the Democratic foreign policy establishment and the neoconservative movement.
Hannah Morris of the liberal pro-Israel lobbying group J Street celebrated this bipartisanship as a “momentous occasion.”
“We could not be more proud to have [Kagan] here today,” she said.
This constant fear of Ukrainian right-wing Neo-Nazis is laughable. The K Street gang in Washington has more Fascist Neo-Nazis than in all of Ukraine. Stop listening to Put in’s propaganda!
We’re fucked.
Hillary Clinton’s Emails About Fukushima — And Then A Black Out As She Goes to Japan to Support US Nuke Cartel
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/02/hilary-clintons-emails-about-fukushima.html
Is Rania’s buddy’s dad Sidney Blumenthal backing Hillary?
This is terrific material for pro Trump political ad.
Assuming that Trump is not a stalking horse. He might be the controlled opposition. In which case we can expect him to drop many opportunities.
“Kagan insisted at last week’s fundraiser that U.S. foreign policy over the last 25 years has been “an extraordinary success.”
Is there a place I can nominate this statement for the ‘dumbest thing a human being has ever said?’
Wow, so these neocons have explicitly stated that Hillary Clinton will be totes mcgotes okay with launching a third, nuclear world war with Russia and other countries in the name of banking and Wallstreet.
The idea that major banks and megacorps have supported Hillary from the start and Donald Trump may actually be a false flag supporting Hillary by making her look less of a fascist by comparison becomes increasingly plausible.
I mean, can you imagine Hillary running against Jeb Bush or Kasich? Hillary makes Jeb look like Gandhi by comparison. God almighty. Not even Ted Cruz is as extreme as she is. And Sanders said that we need Hillary to stop Trump? But who should we vote for to stop Hillary once we’ve stopped Trump? Who’s going to save us when Hillary declares war on Russia because of Ukraine, and America is bombed into a state of swiss cheese? Well, I guess we can console ourselves until then with Pokemon Go and Fallout 4 — at least my post-nuclear-apocalyptic settlement has a decent farming and trade system. Not sure if future USA will be so lucky in case of WW3.
Completely agree!
“Nothing that [Clinton] did was more clear than the NATO coalition that she built to defend civilians in Libya,” said Sloat
I now know everything I need to know about Sloat.
These people “neocons” are Trumps best campaigners, the way they talk about Clinton makes me want to vote for Trump.
Hillary is not a “hawk” or anything. It is just that she will do anything for money. At a peacenik fundraiser, she will sell doves and at the neocon fundraiser, she will hand out front row tickets to bombings. It is that simple.
I will say one thing about Kagan, he’s right that Americans are naive and uneducated about foreign policy and the benefits that they receive from the current “world order.”
Case in point : Trump’s comments about NATO and his supporters know nothing endorsement of it. Neocons on monsters, yes, but they are preying upon an ignorant mass of rednecks and far left suburban children.
The vast majority of Americans will believe anything that they have researched. The problem is that, for this vast majority, research constitutes reading an entertaining fantasy for half an hour or watching reality television. If their social circle agrees with them, well this constitutes proof beyond doubt. People are dumb. 60% of Americans believe that the story about Noah’s Ark actually happened.
So, sorry, I’ll take the neocons over the American public any day of the week. That being said, neocons are slime.
“But a great section of the country . . . is going to require persuasion and education.”
Maybe Kagan means persuasion and education like another Israeli and American Zionist-orchestrated 9-11, to drive home the ever-present dangers of “Arab” terrorism. Netanyahu had been braying like a jackass about this for decades. But we just wouldn’t listen. So he had to get our attention and educate us.
Kagansky was the name of the Bolshevik leader in Russia in 1917….
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn has a few observations about the Bolsheviks . Scourge of the Earth, apparently.
And you Yanks fought on their side against the National Socialist of Germany! Useful idiots, all.
Thanks for the lead anyway.
Watch the Noodles. They will play you for morons again.
New evidence shows that the NATO econo monster needs Hillary to make Russia the enemy to keep the NATO econo monster alive so that the US can support nations at the inevitability of bankrupting the US.
it’s the parasitic syndrome and hillary supports it for her CGI weapons for donations program.
she belongs in prison.
Kagan and his fat A$$ wife can go straight to the front lines in Syria. Kagan and his neo-con gang are criminals in my opinion and parasites of this nation.
They certainly like to keep the family business in the family. And neoconning is definitely the family business for many a Kagan.
She’s not President yet, and the polls aren’t looking too good. Maybe those interventionist neocons are counting their chickens before they’re hatched.
God, what a load of human slime.
Well, sure. The insider plutocrats stand together, even against outsider plutocrats.
Clinton is just about the only criminal who could make Trump look good.
Congratulations Democrats, you just handed the White House to the person you despise most.
Anyone but Clinton 2016!
If we want to stop the neocons from pushing the U.S. into a final devastating war we need to be clear about who they are and what drives their policies. The core and driving force of the neocon movement are the Zionist Jews whose main loyalty is to Israel, which includes Kagan and Nuland. There are some of the usual “useful idiots”, like Hillary, who are willing to be subservient to the Zionists to fulfill their psychopathic ambitions but at the core of this drive for war and implementing Israeli policies are people like Kristol and Kagan.
Just read what the neocon godfathers, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol, said before more sophisticated propaganda techniques of Edward Bernays and Frank Luntz taught the modern day neocons to hide their real agenda.
Irving Kristol stated his belief that a robust U.S. military would be the catalyst for positive developments globally and most particularly for Israel. In 1973, Kristol attacked Democratic Presidential nominee George McGovern, stating that:
“Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30 percent. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel… Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel.”
Norman Podhoretz, writing about the centralness of Israel, in Breaking Ranks (1979):
“There was, to be sure, one thing that many of even the most passionately committed American Zionists were reluctant to do, and that was to face up to the fact that continued American support for Israel depended upon continued American involvement in international affairs– from which it followed that an American withdrawal into the kind of isolationist mood that prevailed most recently between the two world wars, and that now looked as though it might soon prevail again, represented a direct threat to the security of Israel.”
And so the zionists/neocons and their Shabbat goys continue to take the U.S. on an imperial path that will bring its destruction while protecting Israel.
This is distractive nonsense; Israel has no money or assets to speak of. In fact, most of the military aid ($4 billion a year projected?) delivered by the U.S. to Israel is recycled back to defense contractors like Raytheon , Lockheed, United Tech, Northrup, etc.
That’s much smaller than the U.S. outlay on NATO; the real agenda of the neocons is to perpetuate the U.S. military-industrial budget outlay in the post-Cold War era; and Obama has joined them in this effort, as his $1 trillion ‘nuclear modernization plan’ shows.
In this game, Saudi Arabia is a much bigger player than Israel since much of its oil revenues are recycled back to Wall Street via huge purchases of weapons from Wall Street-held defense contractors.
Furthermore, given Israel’s nuclear arsenal, no Arab nation is going to attack Israel regardless of what the U.S. military-industrial budget is; this is not 1970.
Hence, your comment is just nonsense, a poor effort at distraction from the real issues. The central neocon agenda is now to re-ignite the Cold War with Russia and China, and Hillary Clinton is their tool/ally in this effort.
U.S. military aid to Israel is not related to the neocons goal of increasing the size, strength and reach of the U.S. military. Of course, the Israelis want more aid but it’s not related to their focus on U.S. military strength.
The same is true for the Saudis. The arms sales to the Saudis can double or triple and do not require an expansion of the U.S. military and the growth of its imperial reach. The recirculation of oil revenue is important but not essential or necessary for the expansion of the U.S. military.
Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons but it has never really needed them, even in the 1973 war, because its military force is the strongest in the region. Yes, they needed a resupply of arms but they have learned from their mistakes.
So, your central theme is:
“The central neocon agenda is now to re-ignite the Cold War with Russia and China, and Hillary Clinton is their tool/ally in this effort.”
Yes, I agree the neocon agenda is to re-ignite the Cold War. Who is going to be fighting this war: Israel or the U.S./NATO? Let’s look at past neocon inspired wars: Iraq, Libya and Syria. Who fought those wars? Israel or the U.S. and its NATO puppets?
The neocons are freaking out at Trump’s comments about NATO. Why? Well, for the same reason they want a strong U.S. military to carry out their plans.
The strength, imperial reach and aggressive posture of the U.S. military/NATO are critical for the successful achievement of the neocon/Zionist goals; the neocons aren’t going to do the fighting. Some like Rahm Emanuel and Jeffery Goldberg may decide to play soldier in Israel for a few months but the neocons would rather sped U.S. treasure and spill U.S. blood to achieve their aims, which originate in Tel Aviv. As you say, Hillary is just a Shabbat goy employed to fulfill their ambitions. Hence, your response is shallow and nonsensical.
“Yes, they needed a resupply of arms but they have learned from their mistakes.”
They sure have. They just get the American taxpayer to forgo school lunches so Israel can spend freely $5 billion a year to butcher women and children.
That’s not fair!
They butcher plenty of men too!!
neocons are TRAITORS loyal to Israel, NOT America.
The Kristols, like father like son. No honor among thieves.
“I have been a neo-Marxist, a neo-Trotskyist, a neo-socialist, a neoliberal, and finally a neoconservative.” – Irving Kristol, Neo-Conservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea
Confessions of a Neo-Conservative https://themonicaperezshow.com…
NeoCon was INVENTED by Irving Kristol and his CABAL of TROTSKYITE COMMUNISTS. Irving Kristol himself was once a member of the “Workers’ Party”—a Trotsky-influenced political group. In his Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea, Kristol admits to being “lucky to have been a young Trotskyite and I have not a single bitter memory.”
NeoCon is COMMUNISM wrapped in an American flag.
NeoCons refuse to WEAR an American uniform ….
they just wrap themselves in the flag and send YOU and YOURS to be maimed and
killed while they WAR PROFITEER off their “defense stocks”.
Today’s American NeoCons are yesterday’s Jewish Bolsheviks. SAME THING.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84503534&v=WtHjRXROVMM&x-yt-ts=1421914688
The correct spelling is neoCOMMUNIST.
It might seem bewildering, but people’s ideological commitments can shift. Despite whatever political affiliation Kristol may have had before, he’s no leftist. By your logic the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a real people’s republic. Imperialism is anathema to communism and communism is anathema to imperialism. Do you really think it was a secret cabal of communists putting down revolutions in the third world? Revolutions, mind you, that communists were more often than not instrumental in.
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Oh gee!! Big surprise. Considering they wrote Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy and made it publicly known. Considering they have ALWAYS been behind and handlers of Hillary Clinton. Big surprise. Right??
Oh gee!! Big surprise. Considering they wrote Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy and made it publicly known. Considering Kagan’s wife is Victoria Nuland Kagan, the one who runs the state department behind the scenes. The one responsible for the Ukriane coup. Considering they have ALWAYS been behind and handlers of Hillary Clinton. Big surprise. Right??
They rewrote history to justify their ulterior goal. Using even more US money and blood to do their dirty work in the middle east. Using even more US money and blood to invade any nation not in full submission to them and their bosses.
THIS is what America HATES! These who pull the strings making the entire US jump like a puppet for a foreign power!
THIS is what America wants locked up with Hillary Clinton…..
I don’t understand the implication here. Guilt by association is kinda regressive.
I like this article. It is nice to read a perspective that is not entirely simpatico with the Establishment worldview. The quotes are well chosen. They elucidate the issue and show perspective without crossing the line of being taken out of context. By simply highlighting the Neocon policies, she allows her readers to decide whether they support or reject the Neocon positions.
Understated criticism is sometimes the best.
You forgot to mention Elizabeth Warren among them.
The obsession Robert Kagan and Victoria Nuland have with Central and Eastern Europe is extremely disturbing.
Originally from Russian-ruled Lithuania, Robert Kagan’s grandparents emigrated to the United States in 1930, where his father was born.
Along with all the other Jewish families, before setting out for America – and perhaps the reason for it – the Kagans had already been expelled from their hometown of Kurš?nai, by the Russians in 1914, having been accused of collaborating with German occupiers during WWI. It was the same year Lithuania gained independence. The country had been part of the Russian Empire since its annexation in 1795.
Before annexation the Baltic State had been part of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which comprised Lithuania, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine and Belarus. It also spilled over into Russia, Moldova and a small part of Romania.
Interestingly enough, Victoria Nuland’s family also has links with Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Her paternal grandfather emigrated from the region of Ukraine, that was formerly part of Bessarabia, in 1907.
Almost a thousand years previous to that Ukraine had formed part of the old Khazar Khanate, which had flourished for at least three centuries from around 650 AD to 960 AD.
Robert Kagan and his father, Doanld Kagan are both historians. It is certain they would be aware of the Khazar Khanate, especially when it is considered that the Jewish political rulers of the Khazar Khanate Empire were known as kagans.
After its fall, most of the Khanate was gradually absorbed by Russia. By the middle of the 20th century even the old Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania had fallen under the influence Soviet Russia behind what Winston Churchill dubbed the ‘Iron Curtain’.
Of course, it would be ludicrous to reach the conclusion that a couple of neocons would develop a hatred of a country like Russia, just because of the idea of an historical empire that had taken on almost semi-mythical proportions by the 21st century, wouldn’t it?
And to leap from there to the idea they might become so obsessed with a lust for revenge as to risk plunging the world into nuclear war leading to the destruction of the entire planet would be stuff of lunacy.
Wouldn’t it?
Nicely stated. Few Americans are aware that practically all Jews in positions of power and influence in Israel and within the US government, where they exercise total control of US foreign policy (the Kagans serving as good examples of hundreds of others) are of east European origin. As such, they share no blood ties and thus have no connection to Sephardic Jews who supposedly possess a divine right to the land of Palestine.
“…….Nicely stated. Few Americans are aware that practically all Jews in positions of power and influence in Israel and within the US government, where they exercise total control of US foreign policy (the Kagans serving as good examples of hundreds of others) are of east European origin…….”
Nicely stated. How come the US did not bomb Iran? Isn’t that what the neocons wanted, and AIPAC?
“How come the US did not bomb Iran? Isn’t that what the neocons wanted, and AIPAC?”
Translating wants into actions became difficult for them in that instance. It wasn’t due to a lack of effort, zealotry, deception, or fear mongering that their plans stalled. It happened that there was a president in the executive branch who acted in the best interest of the United States and decided, along with the majority of the American people and the rest of the world (except Israel), that diplomacy was wiser than war.
Astute as Hillary is, she seized an opportunity, extended the white house to the Neocons and gave speeches, at the Brookings Institute for example, signaling that she would give them the war with Iran that they have been conniving for, without them having to exclusively back Republicans. In exchange Haim Saban and other devout Israelis will shower Hillary with all the money she needs to run her campaign.
“……It happened that there was a president in the executive branch who acted in the best interest of the United States and decided, along with the majority of the American people and the rest of the world (except Israel), that diplomacy was wiser than war……..”
Then it should be absolutely clear from your statement that Israel doesn’t run US foreign policy. Carroll’s post is ridiculous.
“…….Astute as Hillary is, she seized an opportunity, extended the white house to the Neocons and gave speeches, at the Brookings Institute for example, signaling that she would give them the war with Iran that they have been conniving for……”
I disagree, but it will probably take about nine more years to prove you are wrong. Hillary is certainly more hawkish than Barack, but she is not about to bomb Iran unless there are some really serious violations of the agreement with Iran which cannot be worked out diplomatically.
“Then it should be absolutely clear from your statement that Israel doesn’t run US foreign policy.”
Well that statement isn’t quite accurate either. Israel has controlled or exerted extreme influence over US foreign policy (esp. in the Middle East) much of the time (especially over the past decade or 2). Israel did not exert absolute control in the particular case of getting America to go to war with Iran on Israel’s behalf during the Obama administration. Yet they exerted control over much of congress and have undue influence over America’s presidential elections, which pushes us closer to a war that Israel wants. So Israel does run or influence American foreign policy to different degrees at different times.
Although I understand what you are talking about. Statements like “…they exercise total control of US foreign policy” are false. Like most absolute statements this one is also incorrect. It appears to be the by product of a negative emotional reaction in response to Israel frequently pushing American foreign policy in a direction that is counter to our national interests.
“…….It appears to be the by product of a negative emotional reaction in response to Israel frequently pushing American foreign policy in a direction that is counter to our national interests…….”
I don’t think anyone will deny that AIPAC is a strong lobby – similar to the oil and gas lobby, the military industrial complex lobby (except less finances) and so on. The Israel lobby works legally within our system. Lobbying is free speech and is regulated by laws. I am curious which wars the US entered which were not in the interests of the US – and were pushed by Israel. My feeling is that the interest of the US and Israel are aligned – and have been for a long time.
Thanks.
“I am curious which wars the US entered which were not in the interests of the US – and were pushed by Israel.”
The Iraq war to begin with: https://youtu.be/N294FMDok98
Israel’s influence runs much deeper than lobbing, it extends to political appointees like Nuland and Kagan, whose loyalties are with the state of Israel and pursue Israeli objectives at the expense of American interests. Israel’s influence also extends to a sub-set of American Zionists that have almost a fanatical religious devotion to Israel. They volunteer to join the IDF, instead of serving in their “native” American military. They also function as activist group in America uncritically following Israel, as was also made clear the case when they followed Benjamin Netanyahu who undermined our President in his push for war with Iran, which would have once again been at the expense of America. It extends to political, academic, and career assignation of anyone who dares to criticize Israel, as professor Mearsheimer and Walt did by publishing their article “The Israel Lobby.” There are too many example to lay them all out in one sitting, yet this is merely the surface of a small sample of a treacherous relationship.
“[Your] feeling is that the interest of the US and Israel are aligned – and have been for a long time” is because you yourself have been and are a devout Israeli loyalist. The statement its self that “the interest of the US and Israel are aligned” is blatantly false hasbara. We are 2 separate nations that may at times have aligned interests, but not even close to giving $40 billion of American tax payer monies in the next decade to fund war crimes, which leave the American people poorer and the targets violent blowback. Citizenship of Israel itself is limited to those defined as part of a “jewish” race, over 97% of American do not fall into that category “race” and therefore lack the benefits of citizenship, so its ridiculous that we have to pay for this garbage instead of using that money to help an American kid in our own community that we will interact with many times thru out our lives.
Dave
“……We are 2 separate nations that may at times have aligned interests, but not even close to giving $40 billion of American tax payer monies in the next decade to fund war crimes …….so its ridiculous that we have to pay for this garbage instead of using that money to help an American kid in our own community that we will interact with many times thru out our lives……”
The US provides a hell of a lot more aid world-wide than just to Israel (although Israel receives the largest share). According to Mondoweiss (November 4, 2015):
“…….The United States provided approximately $35 billion in economic aid to over 140 countries* in fiscal year 2014……..Of the $35 billion of total economic aid distributed, almost a quarter of funds went to five countries. Below are the top 5 recipients of economic aid in 2014…….”
Israel: $3.1 billion
Egypt: $1.5 billion
Afghanistan: $1.1 billion
Jordan: $1.0 billion
Pakistan: $933 million
While the 40 billion you are complaining about is not pocket change, it is small in comparison to the US giving an estimated $350 billion in foreign aid world-wide over the next decade. Why single out Israel?
“Why single out Israel?”
Israel is the focus of conversation, because it was the original topic of this tread started by the comment from Bryan Hemming. Should we talk about other countries that get a much smaller shares of American tax dollars, whom are not as aggressively interfering and subverting American democracy and policy for their own ends at the expense of Americans, yet who have plenty of issues that need to be addressed? You can and here is a link to a speech by Zbigniew Brzezinski at BYU for those who are interested: http://youtu.be/MKWZB_kEwUo
Yet that is a topic for another time when the relevant article comes up. When topics of Israel are being discussed, its common but not appropriate to start pointing fingers at others and their transgressions or behavior as a diversionary tactic, thus switching the topic of conversation. I guess you can also walk into a grocery store to talk about your taxes, or go to the bank to talk about issues with your parents and the effect it has had on your intimate relationships, or go to McDonalds to speak with the cashier about how to go about changing the radiator on your car. Personally I prefer to stay on topic in the appropriate settings so that problems are brought to light, addressed and eventually solved.
Dave
Israel is mentioned exactly one time in this article. There is not one reference in the article to Israel running US foreign policy or Israel “forcing” the powerful US into another war contrary to US interests. This is a classic the “tail wags the dog” scenario – a tiny country the size of a golf course running the most powerful country in the world – another in a long line of Jewish conspiracy theories. This extreme idea is strictly below the line commentary made up by people who believe that Israel runs or has undo influence on US foreign policy – including your good self. It’s a ridiculous statement. It should also be noted that Israel also asked GW Bush to bomb Iran at the end of his second term, but he also refused – and Bush is strongly pro Israel.
In fact, radical leftists really don’t care about US foreign aid to OTHER countries besides Israel. In fact, you never mentioned the Palestinians either because, in reality, the radical left doesn’t care one iota about the Palestinians. This is strictly about opposition to an American ally for various reasons (usually related to anti-Americanism).
The radical left is obsessive over opposition to Israel (and US policy).
“Israel also asked GW Bush to bomb Iran at the end of his second term, but he also refused – and Bush is strongly pro Israel.”
Don’t forget that they pushed him to bomb Lybia and Syria in his second term too (magically the former happened under Hillary when she headed the state department and the latter was proposed and voted down by congress during Obama’s administration). They were so fanatical about it that Bush stopped talking to the VP’s office which was the channel that Israeli agents were using to push for their preconceived wars (“The world according to Dick Cheney” is the approved Neocon version of events). Bush was a born again Christian. He takes the book of Revelations literally and believes that the second coming of Christ and the apocalypse are going to happen because of Israel’s immorality at which point all who don’t except Jesus as their savior will be banished to hell. Helping reinforce a self-fulling religious prophecy, I guess one could call that “strongly pro-Israel”. To the credit of Bush seeing mangled Americans, shattered families, the blood, death and pain that Americans suffered because of the Iraq war was enough for him to grow balls and tell Israel NO! That was only 1 instance of Israel working against American interests during Bush 2’s presidency. Another example is an employee of the Pentagon, Lawrence Franklin, committing treason by giving classified defense department documents to AIPACs , Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, to pass on to Israel. What a want to be Johnathan Pollard.
“a tiny country the size of a golf course running the most powerful country in the world – another in a long line of Jewish conspiracy theories.”
Interesting how you conflate the actions of Israel with the historical persecution of Jews in general. You must have learned it from your Prime Minister who has been effective (especially amongst the less educated) with misconstruing criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. He has also been successful in divorcing the brutality and treacherous actions of Israel with the reactionary increase in anti-Semitism (he actually uses reactionary anti-Semitism to present himself as the savior for the fearful). Yet most American Jews I know are growing very weary being associated with a race based country on the opposite side of planet earth that is engaged in genocide “in their name.” The fantasy of Israel, America’s BFF, the equivalent of a tiny 18-hole grassy victim is cracking under the sheer weight of reality.
“The radical left is obsessive over opposition to Israel (and US policy). This is strictly about opposition to an American ally for various reasons (usually related to anti-Americanism).”
What a ridiculous assertion, the radical you is obsessive over Israel. The disenchantment of Americans surely couldn’t be more reasonably explained by citizens not wanting their hard earned paychecks being forcibly taxed to fund genocide by a racist nation which habitually undermines our national interests.
A judicious and balanced assessment.
I would add that politically, an attack on Iran was made more difficult by “war exhaustion”. After the failures of Afghanistan and Iraq, the American public was “done”, and strongly opposed to yet another war, particularly one against a larger and more capable foe.
It was also assessed that an air campaign alone would actually be self-defeating. While it would effect a delay, it would at the same time almost certainly provoke a determined Iranian commitment to the very outcome that the a campaign was intended to prevent. Then, a permanent solution would require “Boots on the ground” — ie a war involving US ground forces — and the complete conquest of Iran. From that Pandora’s box the negatives, unpredictable and unavoidable, pile up. And all of this, within a context of the Iranians having banned WMD on religious grounds, and having been assessed by the US intelligence community to ***NO LONGER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM***. So adding up war exhaustion, political opposition, a bizarro world casus belli, and a looming military clusterfork, the Pentagon and President Obama decided to prevent the Neoconservative — Israeli agents, actually — plan to get the US military to destroy Iran on behalf of Israel, by employing diplomatic kabuki and negotiate the prevention of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, a program that didn’t even exist, an imaginary program.
The forced diplomatic dance around an imaginary threat illustrates the depth and breadth of Israeli influence in the US halls of power. The Zionists will of course deny that they have subverted the US govt — “Anti-Semitism!” they will shriek — but we have now reached the “Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?” stage of perceptual awareness. The scales have fallen from our eyes, and where we go from here, well,… who can say?
In fairness, I must mention a virtually unstated version of this business: that the Iranians were in fact pursuing a strategy of nuclear deterrence, but one that in a display of pure strategic genius, did not involve actual development or possession of a nuclear weapon, or any violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Stated simply, the Iranians could legally build a massive enrichment capability as part of a peaceful nuclear energy program. This would give them “breakout” capacity. That is, at any moment , as needed, they **COULD*** reconfigure their enrichment cascade, and almost instantly generate bomb-grade uranium in strategically effective quantities. By having this “breakout” capacity they achieve nuclear deterrence without ever having a bomb or breaking international law. That’s pretty slick if you ask me.
Also, by taking this approach, the Iranians created a bargaining chip that they could then trade away for a lifting of the international sanctions — warfare lite — regime.
In summary, the Iranian program to counter US/Israeli aggression has been smart and effective.
It is a big mistake to use Iran policy as a sort of litmus test of whether a politician is a neocon or not. In the Reagan years the neocons were busily arranging the multi-billion dollar illegal traffic in the weapons and spares that kept 70% of Khomeini’s huge US-made air force in combat through eight years of war with Iraq. That traffic, and the illegal oil that Iran sent in barter passed through Israel. The managers on the US side included Michael Ledeen, David Pipes, Colin Powell, Howard Teicher and Oliver North while the Israelis involved were Al Schwimmer , Ya’acov Nimrodi, Amiram Nir, Marc Rich and the Kimche brothers, among others.
If you read the seminal neocon policy papers that laid the ideological foundationthe current US-led crusade to destroy secular arabism
It is a mistake touse politician’s anti-Iran rhetoric, as opposed to action, against Iran as a litmus test of whether the politician is a neocon. Take Michael Ledeen for instance. That arch-neocon routinely says horrible things about Iran, and yet as a member of Reagan’s NSC he ran a large guns for oil network to Iran through Israel. Also note that the seminal policy papers that laid the foundation for the current post9-11 antisecular, pro-sectarian imperial policy against the Arabs – the 1982 Yinon plan, the clean Break and the truly disgusting 1996 Wurmser work for PNAC Coping With Crumbling States, you will see that the neocons want to destroy secular Arab states, mainly. Although Iran’s fidelity to the Syrian alliance irritates them, Iran has been invaluable in sponsoring the sectarianism that destroyed Arab Iraq
the zionist neocons were for bombing iran as well.
not the zionista neocons want to encapsulate the planet with their Global Domination Initiative, the TPP and subjgate all humanity so they can thieve on them as they were instructed to do in the Torah.
What else are bedoins to do? Work for a living?
What a twisted world we live in.
Obviously Khalek is just another “know-nothing” blogger who attempts to style opinion into fact. Enough.
Ms. Khalak
“…….“Nothing that [Clinton] did was more clear than the NATO coalition that she built to defend civilians in Libya,” said Sloat, referencing the Obama administration’s overthrow of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. That policy, spearheaded by Clinton, has transformed a once stable state into a lawless haven for extremist groups from across the region, including ISIS……”
This is playing a little loose with the truth about the deteriorating conditions in Libya do to nation-wide protest associated with the Arab Spring. The process of destabilizing the Libyan regime (under Gadaffi) began with the military crackdown on protesters by the regime. Gadaffi responded exactly in the same way as al-Assad of Syria – which has led to the largest humanitarian disaster in the world today in Syria. Gadaffi is solely to blame for using military force to quell a political rebellion. According to Human Rights Watch, about 350 people had been killed in the nation-wide protests in Libya – and a potential massacre loomed (New York Times; February 16, 2016):
“………Human Rights Watch would later count about 350 protesters killed before the intervention……….But inside the Obama administration, few doubted that Colonel Qaddafi would do what it took to remain in power……..“Of course, he would have lined up the tanks and just gone after folks,” said David H. Petraeus, the retired general and former C.I.A. director……..”
There is no way of know what a non-interventionist policy would have produced – for example another Rwanda, Syria or Srebrenica. Who can argue that the UN authorized interventions in Kuwait and South Korea didn’t benefit both countries? NATO’s bombing in former Yugoslavia helped end that war creating a new Muslim-majority country in the process.
The intervention in Libya was supported by the UN including the establishment of a no fly zone to protect civilians. The interventionist policy in Libya was strongly promoted by the French and British and supported by the Arab League. The US was a reluctant partner to the intervention (even as Hillary convinced Obama to intervene and support the military actions). According to the NYT:
“…….On March 17, 10 members of the Security Council voted for a resolution authorizing “all necessary means” to protect Libyan civilians. Five countries, including Russia, abstained…….”
So the intervention had international backing in support of people protesting for political rights in a state ruled by a dictator for 40+ years. In addition, there is no way of knowing how many people would have been murdered by the Gadaffi regime without intervention (so he could retain power). Finally, while the conditions in Libya have deteriorated significantly since intervention, there is no way of determining the long term ramifications for Libyans because of the intervention. The aftermath of the overthrow of Gadaffi is still in its infancy.
“The aftermath of the overthrow of Gadaffi is still in its infancy.” Well it has been 5.5 years since the overthrow of Gadaffi, so surely is has moved past its “infancy,” is exiting its toddler years, and has entering the equivalent of a school aged child war. Even still who would judge a Kindergarten class by labeling that child a stooge, this one a doctor, the young girl an excellent mother, and the same applies to wars and the violent overthrow of governments of foreign nation states. Even Afghanistan, the longest war in the history of the United States, is still only 15 years old, the equivalent of early puberty. The success or failure of a war needs to be judged like human beings at the time of their demise by St. Peter at the gates of heaven (or most likely hell) at the average age 80 years old. Yet lucky for you Craig, I am well versed in Neo-conservatism so I know what you mean and will translate for everyone, as cultural ambassador of sorts.
First everyone needs to understand that the Neoconservative agenda is already set, it lacks introspection and thus the practitioners can never admit to mistakes or else their plans risk being thwarted. Therefore justifications and rationalizations are always fluid, constantly being modified, adjusted, added and deleted so as never to contradict predetermined plans. As a result Craig’s statement that “The aftermath of the overthrow of Gadaffi is still in its infancy,” is technically correct. The mistakes that all us readers have made was presumptuously measuring the overthrow in human years, instead of the Bowhead whale years. See the Bowhead whales lives an average of 200 years, while a humans lives an average age of 80 years (minus 30 to 40 years in war blessed countries of the Middle East), so Bowhead years, which I will call anos, are defined by the following ratio: 80 human years/ 200 Bowhead anos = 0.4. This factor, 0.4, is then multiplied by 5.5 anos of war, so 0.4 x 5.5 anos = 2.2 years. This is 0.2 years higher than infancy or 2 months and 12 days, so in this case we would just round 2.2 years to 2 years so the person making the argument wouldn’t be wrong. The preferred way to make this case would be to modify the charts of human development and threaten all those who protest or question the wisdom of doing so. Yet that requires political power which is not the case in this instance hence why the first method was employed. In the next translation I will cover the rational of preemptive war.
Now that Erdogan is securing Turkey, I think they will invade Iran. That will very probably spark WW3. The sad thing is that these elitist groups should by their very nature form the minority in a society, so that Kagan’s voice should resound so loudly is a sad indictment of America.
The strange thing is that America has not faced a truly major adversary in a war yet, it usually kind of turns up late as things are getting easier, or beats up Granada or somesuch. But if Russia and China and even India decide that destroying Iran and controlling oil pricing is too much to bear, this could get very unpleasant for all and smug idiots like Kagan can go to hell in a mushroom cloud of insanity. America may have the technological advantage, but it lacks the manpower and the ability to suffer severe hardships and death, and the internal cohesion it thinks it has. These people seem determined to make that roll of the dice, and I have nothing but hatred for them because of it. It is a tough reality when China and Russia seem more appealing than the Western supposedly democratic nations, but that is the way it is falling and all their talk of patriotism and superiority and exceptionalism will mean nothing as the body count rises.
“America may have the technological advantage, but it lacks the manpower and the ability to suffer severe hardships and death, and the internal cohesion it thinks it has.”
So true.
“this could get very unpleasant for all and smug idiots like Kagan can go to hell in a mushroom cloud of insanity. ” True, yet your statement implies that Kagan is actually an American whose loyalty is to the United States. When one realizes that him and his ilk are loyal to a foreign country before America, their behavior seems less smug, idiotic, and insane. Then his behavior can more accurately be observed and described as treacherous and treasonous.
Exactly right. Not only Kagan but people like Rahm Emanuel who chose to serve in the Israeli military rather than the country he lives in, which is a clear indication of where his loyalties lie.
Another IDF soldier, Jeffrey Goldberg, recently wrote some incredible propaganda in the Atlantic in an effort to tarnish Trump and insure the neocons candidate, Hillary Clinton. I wonder if Frank Luntz gave him some pointers:
“The Republican nominee for president, Donald J. Trump, has chosen this week to unmask himself as a de facto agent of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a KGB-trained dictator who seeks to rebuild the Soviet empire by undermining the free nations of Europe, marginalizing NATO, and ending America’s reign as the world’s sole superpower.”
I will look up the Atlantic article you are referencing. Although I don’t believe that Trump, if elected, would save America from our disastrous alliance with Israel, even if it appears that way since Goldberg and company are frantically opposed to his campaign. Trumps statement that America would act as an honest broker between Israel and Palestine was enough to the set the Neocons off with cartoonish references to Hitler and Neville Chambers. Decades of American political subservience to Israel has made even neutral statements, let alone criticism, regarding Israel unacceptable, leading to this ridiculous overreaction. Trump back pedaled from that statement and has made clear on many occasion that it will be business as usual with Israel. In the past he has endorsed Benjamin Netanyahu in political campaign ads for Israeli elections and he is getting substantial funding from Sheldon Adelson, the latter really showing that Trump is not free from major Israeli influence. In the end it will be us, the American people, not a lone politician that will change this sordid state of affairs.
That’s why they should be arrested and jailed too. The Libertarians have said it for years – D’s or R’s, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two. And with this criminal element that’s part of this country’s “enemies within” it’s no wonder these creeps are supporting crooked Hillary, who’s a lot more like them than Trump will ever be. Which is also the reason he’ll win in November…
“Kagan is married to Victoria Nuland, the Obama administration’s hardline assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs. Nuland, who would likely serve in a senior position in a Clinton administration, supports shipping weapons to Ukraine despite major opposition from European countries and concerns about the neo-Nazi elements those weapons would empower.”
And as we all know, Victoria Nuland has her own view on EU’s role.
Kagan and his ilk are absolute human garbage- the worst of Trump’s KKK supporters are benign by comparison IMHO.
F*ck Hillary for pandering to the Israel-First scum.
“Donald Trump’s know-nothing isolationism”?
So, wanting to do business instead of make war is ignorant? What a disgusting comment. I hate Trump and Clinton equally for different reasons, but Trump would not be anywhere near as bad as Clinton on this issue.
ICYMY: Robert Kagan’s brother and father advocating for US ground troops in Palestine as a response to the 9/11 attacks…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdcj4-2RePo
[ this is covered in depth in Part 3 of my documentary series A Very Heavy Agenda ]
FLOTUS – “This right now is the greatest country on earth”
This sentiment is also an example of American exceptionalism. Why should this be a goal for the US. Why not the most just, the most fair, the most peace-loving, the most inclusive, the most …
This obsession with being the “greatest” country is an imperial sentiment.
In a way, it seems unfair that the Neocons are abandoning Mr. Trump. He has, after all, showcased his military aggressiveness. But his America First mentality is anathema to the neocons’ dreams of nation building. They want to reshape the world and spread American culture, even if the United States is killed in the process.
Mrs. Clinton should be rewarded for the loyalty she has shown to the globalist agenda. There is a reason for insisting on experience in politics. A President can do a lot of damage if they try to implement their own agenda. It would be equivalent to a quarterback who didn’t follow the playbook. The plays have been scripted because they work, and throwing it out would invite chaos.
I’m glad the Mr. Kagan recognizes this, and has given Mrs. Clinton his endorsement. Unfortunately, due to a surly electorate, the endorsement of the Neocons is not an automatic guarantee of electoral success. Mr Kagan’s best policy would be to shut up – but unfortunately he doesn’t know how. Mrs. Nuland, who seems to suffer from the same problem, probably won’t be able to help.
Hillary does not need make-up because, that’s all she’s got.
And Putin a dictator who wants help in carving up Europe is backing Trump.
Or doesn’t The Intercept think that’s newsworthy?
Dictator? Carving up Europe? What world are you living in?
Star Trek’s Mirror universe apparently. Evil Spock with a beard… J. Edgar Hoover as Tooth Fairy etc. etc.
And Neocons who need help disseminating war propaganda have manipulated your view of the world.
Or do you think that America needs to liberate Europe as the Neocons have forced us to do in the Middle East?
Putin is NOT backing anyone.
His words about Trump are deliberately being misrepresented
by the corporate media and the democrats.
He said something about Trump being colorful and bright,
meaning that Trump stood out from the rest, nothing more.
Hillary once said that Putin had no soul. Putin replied something to the effect that Hillary had no head (brain).
In particular by the resurgent anti-commie, red-baiting “Democrats”, Brzezinski et. al, the ones who gave us
al Quaeda to build a quagmire, trying to reignite the anti-Russian fervor that put Hillary so over the moon in her youthful Goldwater H-bomb glory days.
Bet she’s miffed that the Grim Reaper put the kibosh on her hiring Curtis LeMay as VP, after G. Wallace beat her to it.
huh? got facts? no? on, that’s “right”. Your fears, zionist paranoia, delusions, ridicule should suffice. check.
Putin a dictator? I think he was elected, however, I might be wrong and you might be right. But I doubt it. What do you think?
Putin appears to be doing what national leaders have traditionally been expected to do: protect their own people and national interests first.
Except, of course, in the US and Europe where they are systematically protected last — if at all. They are expected by their leaders to be grateful.
Meanwhile, 84 percent of Russian voters supported Putin in May when heading into the election. Imagine that.
Putin is certainly not a dictator in the strict sense of the word but he is a powerful autocrat who was appointed to his position of power by Yeltsin. This was probably the only way to save Russia from total collapse and he did bring them back from the brink.
The irony of the new cold war is that Putin is a capitalist pig but not our capitalist pig so he must be confronted.
as vile as he may be, Putin has greater electoral support than either of the major heinous candidates in the US will ever have, though his support proportions number have probably dropped since this came out
http://www.gallup.com/poll/173597/russian-approval-putin-soars-highest-level-years.aspx
Donald Trump tweeted he’s increasing his son’s trust fund for coming up with “Hillary Rotten Clinton,” a currently trending tag on Twitter.
it’s good. still prefer #Shillery or #Hellery, wallstreet’s favorite hoe.
As a farmer, remaining a farmer in America is a promotion.
Self sufficiency is a good thing.
Isolation is preferrable to degenerative dependency.
America is for Americans.
Wallstreet belongs in prison.
gangbangers need to be exiled.
and then, for the weekend BBQ, friends neighbors and strangers are welcome.
Beware the neocon dominatrix. Unburdened by conscience, she will distribute pastries to people whose country she is working to destroy.
The male neocons were not spilling enough blood so the female neocons took over.
all emanating in an unbroken matrilineal chain from the hallowed union of Thatcher and Albright…
you refer specifically perhaps to Nuland, who in a gesture of eternal support and friendship, handed out cookies to the Ukrainian Nazis, who burned a bunch of their fellow citizens to death in a building, after beating them…
Just another Obama ho-hum promise fulfilled … to pad his already ridiculously gaudy Legacy : ‘there are no blue states, there are no red states’ (08). Obama promised to bring us together … and bringing together the political forces of Kagan and Hillary may be compared to … splitting the political atom. boom.
*All this clearly, in addition to restoring law, order and, ultimately faith in our judicial system, Obama has not only healed the deep and historic racial scars and divisions afflicting our great nation for so long, he has in the same seemingly effortless motion Unified the country like no one before … leaving only the smooth and seemless democratic transition of power (*to Hillary … yet another notch in his belt.) as his crowning accomplishment.
Of course the Brothers K (Kagan, Koch and Krugman) prefer her, so let’s see what the Clintons did for the banksters the first time around:
President Clinton
With the Clintons the Great Leap Forward for the plans of the Global Banking Cartel is at long last here!
The Blackstone Group, at that time the wealthiest private equity firm (private bank) in the world, would provide presidential candidate, Bill Clinton, with an office to solicit campaign donations.
Presently, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s top advisor is Cheryl Mills, on the board of directors of BlackRock, an offshoot of the Blackstone Group (Blackstone . . . . BlackRock . . . . get it?).
BlackRock is one of the Big Four investment firms which are the majority shareholders in the majority of major corporations in North America and Europe. BlackRock was the firm which oversaw the disbursement of the TARP bailout funds. (Vanguard Group, BlackRock, State Street and Fidelity)
In 1993, the SEC — under Clinton — will drop the requirement for investment firms to report on the identity of the major shareholders. (This is to obscure the ownership — if you don’t know who the owners are, you won’t know who owns everything.)
Clinton will sign NAFTA (actually version 2.0, after LBJ’s Border Industrialization Program) which includes a clause to allow for the foreign ownership of Mexican banks — previously only allowed to be Mexican-owned.
Within one year 90% of Mexican banks are foreign owned, principally by US banks.
Next, Clinton will sign the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act, allowing for full interstate banking — a major step in the cartel formation.
Next up, Clinton signs the Telecommunications Act of 1996, allowing for the consolidation of corporate media and reconstitution of AT&T into one entity.
The Investment Company Act of 1996 is signed into law, allowing for unlimited number of investors per hedge fund or similar funds. The combination of the potential for an unlimited number of credit default swaps, and an unlimited number of commodity futures purchases, and an unlimited number of investors per fund, allows for ultra-speculation.
Next the Big Three: the REIT Modernization Act, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act — these together will set the stage for the greatest transfer of wealth in human history, the global economic meltdown (and kill the New Deal entirely).
Years later, investigative gumshoe reporter, Greg Palast, would uncover a secret memorandum between Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, urging for the inclusion of the “credit derivatives-acceptance clause” in the WTO’s Financial Services Agreement (so that the various governmental signatories around the world would accept Wall Street’s fantasy finance Ponzi scheme).
Two highly important items which the Clintons failed at: the privatization of Social Security and the removal of the right of the individual to own a patent. The Clinton Administration had created a plan they were going to submit to congress to privatize Social Security, but the morning of their designated speech was when the Monica Lewinski scandal broke. The attempt to abrogate individual ownership of a patent was stopped by the outpouring of negative communications to congress when this became public. (This was meant to bring America closer to the WTO charter.)
After Clinton left the presidency and worked as a lobbyist for various “free trade” agreements, he continued destroying American employment. For example, the Jordan-American Free Trade Agreement allowed for multiple factories to be offshored to Jordan – – not to benefit the workers there – – but for optimal profit to the owner, who would then hire the cheapest labor (workers from Bangladesh and the Philippines) to be brought in to work those factories.
textbook text for American history for generations.
Thank You!
And don’t forget the 1998 Iraq Freedom Act, preparing us for what was to come.
HEY! I specifically requested nirvana, and DON’T want a ticket for the apocalypse!
Good to see Rania Khalek at The Intercept. Now if we can get some Max Blumenthal, I’m going to order cake.
From Wall Street to K Street, the jackals and cannibals are in charge. It will be on full display at the DNC convention, just like it was at the RNC convention.
Clinton and Trump are both rancid candidates, the best that the 1% can offer. Either way, the 1% wins. Obama has been no better.
I’m willing to bet these people will say they are not war mongers – –
— as a 2004 Pentagon-commissioned report specified in listing the causes of terrorism: “American direct intervention in the Muslim world”; our “one-sided support in favor of Israel”; support for Islamic tyrannies in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia; and, most of all, “the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.” The report concluded: “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies.” Countless individuals who carried out or plotted attacks on the West have said the same.
Nobody should need official reports or statements from attackers to confirm what common sense makes clear: If you go around the world for years proclaiming yourself “at war,” bombing and occupying and otherwise interfering in numerous countries for your own ends — as the U.S. and U.K. have been doing for decades, long before 9/11 —
JUST waiting to her her finger on the button
. . . causes of terrorism: “American direct intervention in the Muslim world”; our “one-sided support in favor of Israel” . . . .
Aw, Lee Hamilton and Tom Kean worked so hard shoving this under the rug, and now you let the cat out of the bag.
But no harm done. By now most people have forgotten all about 9-11, and those who remember are sure it was Saddam Hussein in person who somehow managed to fly all 4 hi-jacked airplanes.
“I’m willing to bet these people will say they are not war mongers”
That brings to mind a History Channel show I saw about ‘El Chapo’, the infamous Mexican drug lord. He killed thousands of people and is a brutal criminal, which the talking US heads spent most of their camera time bemoaning. Yet they all miss the obvious fact that the illegality of drugs is what gives rise to fantastic profits, and cheapens human life. El Chapo increased his methamphetamine manufacture as US states legalized marijuana. Our ‘leaders’ conveniently forget what happened during Prohibition: organized crime had a bloody hay-day. Most people won’t abuse drugs, no matter how accessible they are. I’ve tried most of them, and most are dangerous to human health, including alcohol. The ‘war on drugs’ is as doomed to fail as the wars on terror, crime, poverty, ad nauseum.
The wars really don’t make sense. Often thought that if you could buy drugs in Kmart, life might be a bit better for some folks; but, what would the gangsters do then? ..wear a red smock? Smocks aren’t cool; no matter what you’re wearing under, it looks odd.
ps war on ad nauseum is the worst of the kind; sickening indeed.
Being neoliberal like Obama is evil enough, spreading corporatism, militarism and imperialism like a disease, but it’s obvious Clinton is actually at heart a neoconservative – which is even worse.
Obama pretending to be progressive was a considerable insult, while Clinton pretending to be one is utterly absurd.
Jill Stein 2016.
A vote for Stein is nothing more than a protest vote, better to not vote at all in this corrupt system.
Well, I feel like protesting.
And if millions of my fellow students also feel like it, we can win this presidential election (and cancel student loan debt)!
But: respect for not voting – Many have grave doubts about voting machines, and it’s likely the votes are not (always) counted accurately by the establishment anyway.
And nothing less!
That’s certainly a reasonable view but, for those who still hope that meaningful change is possible within the system, protest votes have the advantage of being noticeable, especially when they are cast in significant numbers. Non-voters simply vanish — nobody pays any attention or spares them a moment’s thought. After all, not voting is so common that it is difficult to notice.
Any non-voter will be included in the Too Dumb, Lazy and Apathetic To Vote pile and completely ignored.
A vote for a non-Republican/non-Democrat is a vote AGAINST to system. I’m not voting third party because I think my candidate will win. I’m voting third party so that the establishment candidate will win by the lowest vote percentage since 1860. That makes a statement that can’t be ignored!
Hey, hey, the Democrats are running on a ‘more war’ platform. Who’d have ever thunk! What are the chances that they’re already seeking out some plutonium in Nigeria?
know-nothing isolationism > know-nothing interventionism.
so lunatics support a lunatic. not like any of their idiot children will have to serve in the wars they start, after all (though i’m sure a few would love to play soldier in the IDF where the “tanks vs kids with rocks” metric is up their alley.)
and victoria “fuck the EU” nuland doesn’t just support arming the facsists in ukraine; she was actively involved with the coup that put them in power to begin with. she’s also gone over kerry’s head and probably had her bloody prints all over that “51 diplomats dissent” bullshit.
in any case, thanks for an other reminder how terrifying clinton and her supporters are. if americans weren’t a death cult and gave a damn about anything besides petty identity politics it might make a difference.
It’s unclear whether Rania is just reporting what other people call Trump’s know-nothing isolationism or promoting that simplistic notion. R2P liberal warmongering is just a new cloak to disguise the never ending hegemonic nature of the democrat party just as nation building was for the neocons and these elite sides of the same coin have never had real disagreements about their ultimate goals just the PR details.
It’s amazing that Donald Trump is the individual that has driven this unholy alliance into the public’s view along with the true nature of the Clintonite true believers who are embracing this political gift as if it were progressive.
Rania can not be promoting the idea that non-interventionism is bad, since she is a supporter of Jill Stein – whose platform is decidedly non-interventionist and starkly opposed to militarism and imperialism.
Trump’s supposed know-nothing isolationism may not resemble the wonderful green isolationism of Jill Stein who is and never will be anywhere near the halls of power.
I find it hard to believe Trump is a non-interventionist, since he’s already declaring he wants “swift, strong” attacks in excess of what the violent bastard Obama has already done – presumably in excess of bombing Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Africa, Libya… Trump *may* be less interventionist than Clinton – but if he’s intent on being more aggressive than the warmongering Obama it’s still unacceptable.
What Trump might do in individual cases can’t be known until he acts but his statements about the structure of our giant hegemonic machine, military and economic, and its many costs is clear. He is certainly not an isolationist under the old definition of the word.
Its pretty hard to beat Obama for aggression and warmongering. A nice cool, reserved, refreshing drink of mass murder.
Although with his Kissinger memorial “PeacePrize (TM)” door prize, and his penchant for harmless drone sorties, the odd wedding obliteration, and multi-$trillion “tactical” nuke reconfigurations, maybe he’s the exponent of the new passive-aggressive US military.
C’mon, get it right, and play fair. Victoria Nudelman supports shipping not weapons, for godsakes, but cookies to Ukraine. Just last week, with her boss Kerry, she was cozying up to Putin @ Moscow who, as a charmer, I’m sure exorcised the #Putinoia that has long afflicted both her and her moronic hubby.
…the pinstripe mafia has gone global for all to view. The militaristic jobs to maintain their take are essential and bipartisan
…dread cultivated fear with one boss, unbridled jingoistic exceptionalism from the other.
“Robert Kagan and Other Neocons Are Backing Hillary Clinton.”
That’s why Tim Kaine is a safe choice for Clinton, to attract war predators; Hillary knows most ‘liberals’ will hold their noses and vote Democratic, no matter which prick they pick.
Ah yes the architect of 9/11 like Hillary. Interesting…
I was going to stock up on water if Clinton is elected. By why bother. The end will probably be swift. From what I read, the super rich are buying up land in New Zealand thinking they can hide. They can’t. Read somewhere that a nuclear exchange just between India and Pakistan could trigger a nuclear winter. Good luck to bacteria restarting life on earth.
This is just another example that if you are of average intelligence or above and you support either Trump or Shillery your are either:
1. Ill-informed to the point of negligence.
2. You fully support the corrupt two party system and all the corrupt people in both the Repb’s and Dem’s.
Suddenly it comes out that Hellery’s wallstreet thieves are behind the wars.
Let’s see the big picture that Hellery is pushing…
1. genocide of Palestinians by declaring war to steal jerusalem and push the YINON PLAN
2. handing America over to wallstreet thieves by forcing the TPP on Americans with the help of Tim Kaine
3. defrauding America using her CGI as the payoff pocket for weapons sales for more wars
4. rigging the system with key supporters in key positions in dictator fashion
5. allowing America to be invaded
6. pushing the YINON PLAN
7. supporting coups against countries with democratically elected presidents; egypt, libya, syria, honduras, iraq
8. financing coups for privitisation of public resources and getting protesters murdered in the process
9. running the democratic party like a crime boss with DWS as her lieutenant
10. supporting the NDAA to allow the gov to rendition, torture and kill Americans
And now some jackass says
Sure – solid Americans are supposed to love the unusual quality of “the international order…”
The only “unusual quality of the international order” is the BILDERBERG GROUP. She is a member. They act as a clandestine group of monopolists who meet secretly. Meeting secretly with groups of thieving monopolists is not a problem for Hellery, especially the kind of golden sackers who rob Americans.
Hellery is the point person for these wealther thieving freaks who want to subjugate Americans to the TPP and keep the robbery going. Hellery wants Americans to fight her wars for global domination by her rich thieving supporters. Hellery is a globalist sociopath willing to destroy the Independence of America as a sovereign country for her own creepy narcistic self-indulgent selfish ambitions of grandeur. She couldn’t satisfy her husband because she’s too busy screwing everyone else.
[“5. allowing America to be invaded”]…
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tougher-europe-borders-push-more-migrants-towards-us-115503417.html?ref=gs
Tougher Europe borders push more migrants towards US
swell
[Posting problems, the original may appear unexpectedly, sometime. ;^( ]
Rania, ATL:
And, of course, they’re correct. In fact, it’s difficult to understand how anyone who has observed Clinton through her time in the public eye could imagine otherwise.
I would say these neocons are making exactly the right bet.
“Republican foreign policy professionals” lol. Nice rubric for war criminals/mongers
Rania is here! Awesome! Love your work.
yes she is.
Now stories like this are why I’m a fan of the Intercept; although some caveats are in order.
For example, this is just a restatement of the general neocon/neoliberal line on foreign policy: “Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s know-nothing isolationism. . .”
“Isolationism” is code phrase in foreign policy circles, harking back to the runup to World War II when isolationist policies in the United States and Britain aided the rise of Hitler. (This is something of historical revisionism, as Wall Street investments in Nazi Germany grew rapidly throughout the 1930s). A similar code phrase is “appeasement”, i.e. trying to link maintaining cordial relations with China and Russia to Chamberlain’s appeasment of Hitler in the late 1930s. Basically, they – i.e the PNAC neocons and the CNAS neoliberals are trying to flog the “Putin is Hitler” line, which is just nonsense. (that’s Project for a New American Security (PNAS), and Center for a New American Security (CNAS), the brother-and-sister War Pig military-industrial outfits)
However, the policy of cutting off funds to NATO is not “know-nothing isolationism”, it’s actually a good idea. Trump merely says that European countries should do more; Obama makes the same claim. But what this means is that European members of NATO are supposed to devote their entire yearly economic growth (2-3%) to arms purchases from U.S. defense contractors, which is a nice plug of cash for Wall Street. European countries are highly unlikely to go along; so NATO will suffer a budget cut. Who cares?
The Green Party, which has a similar foreign policy agenda, although more extreme than Trump on cus, is not mentioned in this article as an example of “know-nothing isolationism.”
But let’s spell out the underlying rational policy point, i.e. that since the Soviet Union disbanded the Warsaw Pact, which NATO was created to oppose, and since many Warsaw Pact members are now EU member states (Poland, Romania, Hungary, etc.), there is no longer any need for NATO and it should be disbanded. That’s not “know-nothing isolationism.”
This would save the United States hundreds of billions of dollars each year, money that could be spent on domestic infrastructure, clean energy, public health care, public education, etc. This would reverse the Third World-ization of much of the United States and bring living standards up to German or Japanese norms (notice their much smaller military budgets?).
And, no, this would not result in Putin sending tanks storming into eastern Europe to reclaim the Warsaw Pact member states and recreate the Soviet Union, that’s such incredibly ludicrous nonsense.
Another issue left out of this article is Hillary’s likely pick of Michele Flournoy as Defense secretary, who wants a no-fly zone over Syria (i.e. direct air war with Russia over Syria, Vietnam-style). The most telling proof of the militant Clinton-Flournoy agenda can be seen in this WP editorial, a joint neoconservative-neoliberal production from Cheney’s Edelman and Flournoy:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cuts-to-us-military-spending-are-hurting-our-national-security/2014/09/18/6db9600c-3abf-11e4-9c9f-ebb47272e40e_story.html
The overall picture of a Clinton foreign policy agenda looks remarkably similar to a GW Bush foreign policy agenda – more bloated military budgets, more regime change disasters, more war and bloodshed, all at the expense of any domestic programs – i.e. another Lyndon Johnson Vietnam strategy.
Hilariously, outlets like NPR are determined to ignore all this; CBS News didn’t even mention the subject in their interview with Clinton and Kaine – they didn’t even question Clinton over NATO funding when she promoted it – but this is clearly the elephant in the room at the DNC.
I cover the CNAS relationship with Hillary Clinton in Part 3 of A Very Heavy Agenda
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/averyheavyagenda3
Nicely done, their own words are the strongest argument against them.
9/11 defense lawyers: Judge let U.S. secretly destroy CIA “Fixtures” ‘black site’ evidence
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/guantanamo/article91617862.html#storylink=cpy
America needs the kind of military coup that lays down arms and refuses to go to war…
Let it be so….
‘Unprecedented’ 65 million people displaced by war and persecution in 2015 – UN
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54269#.V5ZLf9QrJkg
“military coup that lays down arms and refuses to go to war”
Military coup means use of ARMS to take over a government and a coup IS an act of war.
Are you a Troll or just didn’t read what you wrote?
I imagine that Sparrow means a reverse coup.
Yes, that’s what I meant. Sorry Deadheded…
they wrote it that way on purpose. if the rank and file military members refused to go through with hillarys wars, thats a coup in its own way.
thanks ashley…
Sure, she is plumping for WWIII with Russia but it is so important to elect her because she will be a victory for the ages for the rights of women here at home! Just look at her veep pick! The pro-lifer! oh, wait.
What is the good and inspiring part of her story again?
She sent out her goons to shut up the women accusing her husband of rape and sexual abuse??
Right, that’s the warm fuzzy bit I wanted to share with my mother and sister and daughter.
She will prove that a woman can be a national leader. Oh, wait, haven’t Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Benazir Bhutto, Angela Merkel, and Julia Gillard already demonstrated that? Yes, they have, but they have not shown that a woman can be just as poor a leader as a man. Having now demonstrated that a black man can be as lousy a president as a white man, we have to continue the process by showing that a white woman can do it too.
As Americans are generally math and logic disadvantaged, we cannot have a proof by induction that any particular combination of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever can result in lousy performance as a political leader, but must rather demonstrate the proposition by means of exhaustive enumeration. That will take somewhat over two centuries, according to my calculations, since we cannot count on the populace to remember the results of prior elections, meaning that we will have sampling with replacement.
With a well- conceived and well-executed eugenics plan, we might be able to pop out all the likely combinations well before the two century mark
There’s a special circle in hell reserved for women who don’t want a tactical nuke in their backyard.
The premise which underlies this article is that Hillary Clinton
and the other democrat predators –
Nuland, Smith, Sloat, and their numerous ilk
cannot be labeled as “Neocons” because they are democrats
and democrat’s hawkishness can only “resemble”
what it actually is.
DO NOT hit the nail on the head! That might make sense.
They are neocolonialists, the neocons and neolibs, CNAS/PNAC, bickering partners in the waning American Empire, which is slowly but steadily going the way of the Soviet Empire, beset by very similar issues.
Consider the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was supposed to set the stage for “full spectrum dominance” of Iran and Syria, and the occupation of Afghanistan, which was supposed to be the pipeline route to Central Asian oil – both were utter failures, conducted at enormous expense, which if continued will ultimately bankrupt the U.S. Iraq was supposed to cost 1% or so of what it actually did; the oil from Iraq was going to pay for the “short” military operation, according to think tank boosters.
In typical imperial fashion, the centers of power in the United States have tried to leverage global dominance into personal wealth via ‘free trade’ deals, oil-centric regime change efforts, etc. resulting in mass poverty and growing rage among ex-middle class Americans, as well as incredible levels of corruption, stupidty and greed in Wall Street and Washington power circles – just as in Brezhnev’s Soviet Union.
The whole thing is going to fall apart, and it’s not going to be a pretty picture as it does; but that’s imperial overreach for you; the legs collapse and the house of cards comes crumbling down, a massive breakup of epic historical proportions, just as with the Soviet Union’s demise.
Curiously, libertarian advocate Ron Paul, who I almost never agree with, is saying the same thing:
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2016/july/12/ron-paul-no-matter-the-presidential-race-outcome-the-us-is-going-the-way-of-the-ussr/
Batten down the hatches, we’re in for a rough ride.
we could nicely fit all the neo’s under a neofascist umbrella
I love how people so wrong keep getting jobs and promotions. It is almost like there is a secret cabal that agrees with Kagan that the last 25 years are a resounding success!
“I love how people so wrong keep getting jobs and promotions. ”
isn’t that always the case, whether it be in politics or in our daily lives?
Watch Robbie Martin’s films (all of them) about The Kagan’s:
http://averyheavyagenda.blogspot.co.uk/
The neocons have been pro Democrat for a lot longer than the rise of Hillary and Trump.
I appreciate the shout-out Rania! Yes you can watch all 3 parts of my documentary series (on DVD or streaming) on the ‘new neocons’ and the Kagan family at that URL. The film series is called ‘A Very Heavy Agenda’ . For those interested…
Synopsis:
A VERY HEAVY AGENDA
Post-9/11, the War on Terror had outlived its usefulness.
The minds behind the think tanks that drive America’s interventionist foreign policy decided that the U.S. needed a new enemy, so they chose an old one — Russia.
?Part 1: A Catalyzing Event
Cheney and Rumsfeld were ubiquitous in the news media as they took every available opportunity to market to America an aggressive preemptive war policy. But from where did their ideas originate? The answer is a tightly knit and eminently well placed group of neoconservative thought leaders, chief among them Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. Part 1 begins in the panicked weeks after 9/11, as Kagan et al. seized upon the hysteria surrounding the anthrax letter attacks to further shape America’s perception of reality, planting the seeds for endless future military engagements. George W. Bush may have been understandably perceived as an idiot, but watching these wonks and academics drive the ideological engine for his administration belies a much more sophisticated strategy at play.
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Part 2: How We Learned to Stop Worrying and Love The New Neocons
After the Cold War, the US-NATO reach expanded significantly to take in most of the old Soviet Union clients in the Warsaw pact. Neoconservative darling Robert Kagan and his diplomat wife Victoria Nuland played key roles inside and out of various administrations as they greased the skids for a US-sponsored coup in Ukraine. The infamous neoconservative Washington DC think-tank ‘The Project for the New American Century’ was re-branded for the Obama era into ‘The Foreign Policy Initiative’ acting as a outside agitator pushing the envelope on what the US should do in the new Cold War landscape. Part 2 shows the resurrection of old Reaganites from beltway depths to deliver blatant propaganda with techniques reminiscent of a red scare era that had only just faded from memory. US-funded outfits like Radio Free Liberty are pitted against Russia’s RT as each nation accuses the other of waging an ever more desperate and transparent “Information War”.
Part 3: Maintaining the World Order
While stage managing the American empire has undoubtedly proved to be a more difficult task now than in the bipolar world of the cold war era, it is not for lack of greed or hubris that the Kagans and others continue to sell their vision. Did they create these ideas because they truly believe in America’s right to be the dominant force in the world? Or, do these ideas help sell weapons and control resources like oil and rare minerals? Part 3 shows interview footage of an obscure PNAC member (Thomas Donnelly) taking credit for the ominous “New Pearl Harbor” phrasing in the notorious ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’ document. But the evidence shows the genesis of the concept to be patriarch Don Kagan, in conjunction with his son Fred, in prior op-eds that call for ‘a catalyzing event’. Other newly sourced footage shows the pair advocating for a US military ground invasion of Palestine on September 12th, 2001.
When you take stock of the mindset of people who not only have access to the nexuses of power, but who trade in forming and widely disseminating arguments that justify bringing America closer to a potential nuclear confrontation with Russia, it shows something more plainly Machiavellian at work, with an aim ultimately much more sinister than simply spin.?
Americans are being played, to be the soldiers, die’rs and fools for the global domination ambitions of thieving criminal rich pigs. Donald Trump has called for an end to the Political Industrial Military Proppaganda Scam that is destroying America.
The escalation of tensions with Russia has already begun, with the DNC’s apparently baseless charge that the leaks of their e-mails was due to Russians accessing their system. If there is even a shred of actual evidence supporting the charge, they have not shared it. And yet today’s article in the NYTimes accepts the DNC allegation without so much as a qualifier, and the comments on the article include a great outpouring of support for that allegation, no doubt the work of Clinton trolls.
Let me be clear: I am voting for Jill Stein and would not vote for either Clinton or Trump for dog catcher. But we must contemplate whether we want a post-election environment that is a throwback to the 1950s in terms of our foreign policy, or one that seeks to de-escallate our confrontational stances. In his own bizarre way Trump can be seen as the peace candidate; that is how far our process has regressed!
One little quibble.
“Our” foreign policy?
“Our” confrontational stances?
“Our” process?
Granted, the disease does infiltrate throughout the faking U$A,
but claiming ownership is a bad habit and helps to reinforce
a delusion.
I do not think you or I have a say in their schemes and that
is part of why I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 and I
am planning to again this year.
I hope to never be a “pragmatist” in their horrific show.
I use the word “our” because, like it or not, I am still a US citizen, although not responsible for the mess we are in. I am even more politically pure than you, having additionally voted for Ralph Nader in 2008. Foolishly, I wept tears of joy, though, when Obama was elected because of the symbolism of that event. But alas, there was no substance behind the symbolism.
Your ASSUMPTION that I did not vote for Nader is a
stain on your “even more pure”ness. You are wrong.
Also, I did not weep when the great fraud Obama was elected.
I did roll my eyes when I saw images of people weeping because
I had already endured a whole season of ridicule and eye-rolling
from the democrat intelligencia in my area.
They still worship his fakery and I have already had enough of the
aghast looks and accusations of being a Trump follower
when I criticize their beloved Hillary Clinton.
THEN, when they see I loath both Trump and Clinton,
I get the side-ward glances between them which they use
to reassure themselves that I am delusional.
They haven’t reached the full eye-roll stage toward me yet
during this sham season and I know
I will not be able to invest even that much energy when either
Trump/Pence or Clinton/Kaine are installed to drive the fake U$A
toward the next lower level of the oncoming pompous
faking Crap-shoot state.
The serial lying serial screwups don’t like Trump.They are all Zionists.
Boy,when Trump gets in and cleans house,America can finally exhale and move to a prosperous future of no wars for Zion and globalization,their economic thievery campaign.
The establishment politicians who supported the war in Iraq – and continue to promote armed interventions on imperial or humanitarian grounds everywhere – are war criminals and should be locked up as dangers to the peace, engaged in criminal conspiracies. They are much worse than isolated gunman – they are ‘state gunman.’
“Perhaps Bernie wants to make sure that Hillary will stay to the left. He may become an extra pair of strict political eyes on her. Hillary would find even more difficult to escape and follow the neocon/neoliberal agenda, especially when she knows that millions of Americans who are got sick of the establishment will be watching her closely.”
http://bit.ly/29DfRj2
Perhaps Hillary will say whatever Bernie wants her to say to get the votes of all the suckers who think she might keep her word.
Um, no. Sanders has turned into a frightened old man, so scared that he endorsed right wing Clinton. I never liked him that much anyway, now I’ve lost a lot of respect for him. He should have run a 3d party campaign or run as Jill Stein’s vice presidential candidate once the rigged results were clear. Instead he’s shilling for this war mongering garbage. Totally shameful.
Just…so…great.