Let this news, and the fact that it is news, sink in: Katrina Pierson, the former Tea Party activist who is now Donald Trump’s national spokeswoman, admitted on Wednesday that Barack Obama was not the president of the United States in 2004.
The reason it was considered necessary to extract this concession to reality from Pierson is that she had insisted, during an interview with CNN the night before, that President Obama was responsible for the death of Capt. Humayun Khan, an American soldier who was killed in Iraq five years before he became commander in chief.
Pierson’s bizarre claim came as she was pressed by the CNN host Wolf Blitzer to explain why Trump had not apologized for insulting the fallen soldier’s mother, Ghazala Khan, for standing silently alongside her husband, Khizr, as he chided the Republican candidate last week for his proposed ban on Muslim immigration.
Rather than answer that question, Trump’s spokeswoman suggested, falsely, that her boss was being blamed for the soldier’s death. “Surely you can understand the confusion, considering Donald Trump never voted for the Iraq War — Hillary Clinton did — and then she didn’t support the troops to have what they need,” Pierson said. She then charged, in her somewhat mangled syntax, “It was under Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, that changed the rules of engagements that probably cost his life.”
In addition to somehow missing the fact that Obama did not assume control of the military until 2009, Pierson was also confused about a frequent right-wing talking point about how the lives of American soldiers were supposedly put at risk by a change in the U.S. military’s rules of engagement, which minimized the use of airstrikes to cut down on the killing of civilians. That change, which was introduced by the Obama administration, was part of a revised strategy for fighting the Taliban — in Afghanistan, not Iraq.
Pierson’s shaky grasp of recent American history was widely mocked on social networks, under the trending hashtag #KatrinaPiersonHistory. Weirdly, Pierson herself then tried to join in on the fun, by adding the term to a tweet she pinned to the top of her Twitter feed.
In November of 1940 Obama cut the budget for AA guns at Pearl Harbor.#KatrinaPiersonHistory
— Joker-Joker-Deuce (@CombatCavScout) August 2, 2016
#KatrinaPiersonHistory – Obama shot Hamilton with Hillary as his second. (Broadway's run by liberal revisionists.)
— Jeffrey Wright (@jfreewright) August 3, 2016
#MakeAmericaGreatAgain by getting @realDonaldTrump elected President will go down in #KatrinaPiersonHistory pic.twitter.com/hiCIZ9DijY
— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) August 3, 2016
No doubt embarrassed by Blitzer’s failure to immediately correct Pierson, the network brought the spokeswoman back on Wednesday to perform some delayed fact-checking.
In that second interview, however, Pierson continued to insist that Trump did not attack Ghazala Khan although he did, by falsely implying to both the New York Times and ABC News that she probably “wasn’t allowed” to speak because of repressive Muslim tradition. Pierson also introduced a new false claim: that her boss only objected to “reports” that Khizr Khan, a Harvard-trained lawyer, “is a strong proponent of Sharia law, and actually writing about it, and how the Constitution should be subordinate to Sharia law.”
To CNN’s credit, the hosts quickly cut Pierson off — telling her “that’s not true, Katrina” — and played video of Khan explaining that he was in no way a proponent of using Muslim religious law in the United States, noting that it would conflict with the Constitution, which he reveres.
Although debunked on CNN, Pierson’s attempt to smear Khan by falsely connecting him to Islamist radicals has been successful with a lot of the candidate’s supporters and surrogates who trust the right-wing websites they read more than cable news channels.
Trump veterans adviser attacks Khizr Khan as a "Muslim Brotherhood agent" https://t.co/5Bh12DMXhM pic.twitter.com/GfnD0Zwje6
— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) August 1, 2016
This is an actual exchange I just had with a Trump supporter here in Ohio about Khizr Khan. On camera. pic.twitter.com/KWnahBCHmv
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) August 1, 2016
The whole incident is a useful reminder of just how firmly rooted the entire Trump campaign is in fictional beliefs — many of them revolving around the paranoid delusion that American Muslims are a fifth column secretly plotting to undermine the United States.
After all, Trump’s popularity among Republicans first surged when he pushed the baseless claim that President Obama was not born in the United States, and so was ineligible for office. Although he has refused to discuss the issue in recent months, last year, Trump told Sean Hannity, “I don’t know where he was born,” and suggested that the president’s college transcripts might indicate that he was listed as a foreign student. That fact-free speculation — revived on Tuesday night by Trump’s former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski — is closely connected to the myth that the president is a secret Muslim, a belief that is still held by almost a third of all Americans and 54 percent of Republican primary voters.
Earlier in the campaign, of course, Trump insisted, despite a total lack of evidence, that he had seen television footage of “thousands and thousands” of American Muslims cheering in New Jersey as the World Trade Center collapsed on September 11, 2001. Then this week, in an interview about his dispute with the Khans, Trump claimed that America’s borders have to be closed because “you have radical Islamic terrorists probably all over the place — we’re allowing them to come in by the thousands and thousands — and I think that’s what bothered Mr. Khan more than anything else.”
As the blogger Charles Johnson explains, the “reports” that Khizr Khan is a secret Islamist radical started in the imagination of Walid Shoebat, a far-right blogger who is part of a network of anti-Muslim conspiracy theorists.
As to the quality of the research behind this attack on Khan, Johnson writes:
I won’t bother quoting from this mess. Again, if you know how these people work you already know what you’ll find — Khan once wrote a paper on shariah, and that’s all it takes. They’re off, smearing Khizr Khan as a Muslim Brotherhood “plant” working with the Clinton campaign to convert the whole country to radical Islam. In this weird right-wing fantasy, Khan’s son — who was killed in Iraq warning fellow U.S. soldiers away from an exploding vehicle — was also a secret Muslim agent who died before he could stage a jihad attack.
Given that the Khans have endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, despite her vote in favor of the Iraq War that killed their son, it is not surprising that bloggers like Shoebat would attempt to weave them into the jihadist plots they see everywhere. The same network of bloggers has previously speculated that Clinton’s aide, Huma Abedin, was at the nexus of an Islamist plot to impose Sharia law on Americans.
Within hours of the fantasy about the Khans being posted online, Roger Stone, Trump’s longtime political adviser and a former business partner of campaign chairman Paul Manafort, sounded the alarm that the family was part of the same plot as Abedin.
Wait Mr. Khan traced to the same radical Muslim group as @HumaAbedin
— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) August 1, 2016
You should know I believe in the galaxy quest slogan, Mackey Moose. It’s the alien scene in ID4 but even if it werent, I believe in Shawshank, not Sharia.
But in all seriousness (sorry about that, practicing free association), Mr. Mackey, I have always considered it confounding that extremist bloggers can get away with so much defamation. While I truly and totally believe in freedom of speech, we live in a day and age where rumours can spiral out of control. I imagine Huma must worry for his life.
Well I ask, are Muslims a ‘fifth column’ in France? The very credo Muslims embrace is intimidating to anyone ‘not a Muslim’ and that fact cannot be dismissed by pointing to the good Muslim/ bad Muslim examples.
she wears bullets as a necklace
Oh, yes, and we all went bananas when Melania Trump “plagiarized” Michelle Obama’s speech. After all, it is so easy to pick on her! She isn’t even “American”! U.S. media, part of the anti-Trump front, timed posting nude pictures of her with that incident:
http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-trumps-girl-on-girl-photos-from-racy-shoot-revealed/
The anti-Trump united front seems to be really desperate.
If politicians, with at least a moral responsibility to “We the people”, don’t have to make any sense whatsoever and constantly fart their edicts with total disregard to the 99%+ as if they were emperors, why should we pay attention to and fact check what a talking head says?
Exactly! How is that essentially different from what politicians have always done!
RCL
Katrina knows that she’s lying and does so because she knows she can get away with it. Her intention, as it is from anyone who wants to influence the masses, is to convince those susceptible to credulity and there are a lot of them out there who don’t know any better. Dinesh D’zouza does exactly the same thing with his film. Katrina, Dinesh and even Ann Coulter have no qualms being criticized for their outrageous claims. To them, it’s a small price to pay to further their political propaganda.
NEWS FLASH:
Hillary Clinton, Democratic Presidential Nominee, says a lot of things that are not true.
With a difference. Donald Trump lies in order to generate fear and loathing. His “pants on fire” lies are epic…
I’ll just leave this here…
http://usuncut.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/wholies.png
I know, right? I mean a BLACK WOMAN supporting Trump!!!???
We must do everything in our power to make her pay for this…
Mr Khizr Khan must immediately return to his home country Pakistan and stop the torture and mass killing that is going on there. Maybe he can read and explain to all the folks there the US Constitution since I can see that they are growing obese digesting our hard-earned and heavily-taxed money and then doing nothing to hunt down the Talibanese terrorists.
For some reason liberals and progressives seem drawn to Sharia law and the belief that Muslims, even the radical ones, are basically fine and will not harm Americans, and thus the more the merrier in the USA. This seems a bit risky to me which probably makes me a racist (though Muslim is religion and not a race) and sexist for opposing female mutilation. So be it then.
What, in your understanding, Shariah is, and how did you develop your understanding of it?
How have you personally been in a situation where what you think Shariah is, was imposed on you?
Is there a mass movement by the American Muslims to change the constitution of the U.S. to have it replaced with Shariah?
ADDENDUM:
I hear that perched above the press seating area inside the U.S. Supreme Court chamber is a marble image of Prophet Muhammad.
I understand that it was done to recognize him as one of biggest law-givers in the history of mankind.
What do you make of that?
Do you think that it symbolizes American Muslims’ successful imposition of the Shariah on the Supreme Court of America?
Also, how have the non-radical American Muslims are harming Americans? Many of them are doctors and nurses who save lives. Or, do you think that they are actually harming the non-Muslim Americans?
Are you aware of any American Muslims who are firefighters? Do you think they save lives or are harmful to those whom you consider to be Muslims (for you are clearly implying that there is no such thing as an American Muslim).
Do you know that many Muslims are actually Americans? Or, do you consider American Muslims to be non-Americans?
Do you consider Captain Humayun Khan to be an American?
Mr Sufi,
Nothing is bad on paper, even if it is written backwards. People are good or bad, and that too depends on whom you ask. In the end it is tolerance that really matters. You should be able to shrug off disagreements and agree to disagree. This is where, I think, Sharia the way it is projected, goes off track. If it can accommodate all other opinions and beliefs and coexist peacefully then there is no problem. If it projects itself the only path then there is obviously reason for concern. And that goes for all other religions and race and opinions.
Here also I find some people like -Mona- and Saltzmann who gang up and just can’t tolerate any opposite point of view and call me bigot and stuff. This is just as bad. But you are different and try to pacify people. I was reading that those ISIS blokes say all Sufi people are apostates. This is very sad. I hope they can learn some thing from you and reform themselves. I am quite sure if Mohammed saw what mess they have made of his teaching he would have suicide-bombed himself in sorrow and shame. He was a very decent person and was very faithful to his formidable wife while she was alive.
There are many reasons for that. The reason I want to highlight here is that those who have the mic in the media and otherwise, and talk about Shariah, either do not understand what it is, or they twist its understanding and use it for fear mongering, or, among those who are Muslims, have views on Shariah that are rigid and are based on exoteric traditions of Islam that have gone astray in many ways.
Many people who cry out against Shariah do not realize that many aspects of it have already been fully established in the West, as part of the West allowing freedom of religion.
For example, when a Muslim performs her prayers, fasts, and carries out charitable acts, gets married in a religious ceremony, she is doing them according to the Shariah as she understands it.
When the Muslims build a mosque, they do so according to the Shariah as they understand it. For example, the mosques face the Ka`ba in Mecca.
This is according to the Shariah.
People who usually criticize Shariah, actually criticize certain laws only. But they give the impression that they are criticizing ALL of Shariah, and do not point out the great differences on them amongst the Muslims.
Moreover, it is the Shariah (outer form of Islam) that makes Islam a very diverse and non-monolithic religion. The Muslims have very different views and interpretations of the Shariah, and certainly there are aspects of it that are quite bad in my opinion.
But Shariah is being used as a slogan for fear mongering. Just look at the letter from Frank Gaffney I referred to elsewhere. This is the link: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/08/right-wing-fears.html
Steven Colbert once quipped that the banning of Shariah is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
Those who cry out against it actually do not want any expression of Islam. They want to ban it altogether. But they don’t have the courage to say so. So they hide behind Shariah, knowing fully well that the banning of Shariah is actually banning of Islam altogether.
Some then go further and say that Islam is actually not a religion, that it is a political ideology, and therefore is not protected constitutionally.
They also need to come clean and say that they do not want any expression of Islam, whether it is a religion or not, doesn’t matter, and that they’d like an exception in the constitution for Islam. This would be more honest for them.
Exactly right. And that is what I said. It all comes down to tolerance and being accommodative to the feelings and sentiments of others, especially with those that have diametrically opposite views. Those who want to ban Sharia are as much guilty as those who can’t stand anything other than Sharia.
Here is where we need the Wall to create peace. There is no need to force together immiscible thoughts and opinions, and by doing so purposely create conflict. You could try and mix oil and water if you add a bit of detergent, but in the end all you get is mess. Imagine your own house without wall and your neighbors and distant relatives interfering in every little argument! You just can’t allow it.
The first wall that we need to erect is in Syria. Those people are perfectly capable of looking after themselves. Right now there are all sorts of folks there on all sides that have no business to be there.
Please be careful, people. Trump is even more gullible than Bush Jr.
What can Mr. Trump accomplish in less than a week?
1. Personally feuding in highly personal terms with a Muslim Gold Star family whose son, a U.S. Army captain, died in Iraq.
2. Turning on high ranking party teammates who rebuked him for this feud by saying he did not support them in their primary elections.
3. Accepting the gift of a veteran’s Purple Heart medal on the same day The New York Times wrote about his four student deferments and then a medical deferment for “bone spurs” during the Vietnam War.
4. Insulting leading conservative fundraisers, the Koch family, saying they only gave to “political puppets.” He also lied about turning down a meeting with the Kochs, when it was they who refused his meeting request.
5. Accusing Hillary Clinton of rigging this fall’s debate dates so that they conflicted with NFL games, seemingly unaware that the dates had been set by an independent, bipartisan commission 10 months ago.
6. Lying about receiving a letter from the NFL supporting his position on the debate dates, when in fact no such letter had been sent.
7. Alleging without any evidence that the November election would likely be “rigged” to deny him the White House.
Just imagine what he could accomplish as President of the United States of America.
Katrina has been doing this for over a year. Just look back at the Federal Judge debacle where she totally slandered and defamed him. Everyday, she is allowed to come on MSM and lie and misrepresent and only NOW is the media pushing back.. Katrina has been fact checked and has lied over 89% of the time.. She should be fired – a long time ago.
Of course, we all know that Hillary spokespeople would never ever never lie about the pure as falling snow queen Hillary – what reason would they ever have?
“Katrina has been fact checked and has lied over 89% of the time…”
I’d like to see you back that lie up with a reputable impartial reference, honey.
now go back to licking Hillary’s ‘whatever’ until she tells you to stop…
That comment was really uncalled for. I am by no means even close to being a Hillary supporter, but there is a whole different universe surrounding the babel that comes out of Pierson’s mouth. They all may lie, but there are different levels. It almost sounds ike you are a Trump supporter…
Show me your unbiased research that backs up the claims made by ‘suzanne’ the Hillary Shill.
Funny how you are so quick to make the claim of “liar” – by lying…
Way to use anti-semetic language to name call.
Thank you, Victoria. There are too many liberals in the world who just don’t get that only one person can lie and tell falsehoods. If someone in Hillary’s camp tells an untruth it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone in Trump’s camp to do so. That’s just freaking common sense. Ugh, thank GOD for sensible conservatives like you. Where would the country be without your wisdom to guide us?
Your comment is supremely inane, even if trying to be sarcastic.
Just as the commenter to whom I replied, you also commit the typical liberal sin of exaggeration and outright falsehood to try to make your very weak point, instead of being fairly critical.
All for the good of ‘The Party’, tho, so it’s A-Okay…
I’m kinda curious, Victoria. If I may ask, why do you keep going on such a binary track of thought – i.e. “Trump lies, but Hillary lies too” – instead of attacking your own candidate for his largely proven falsehoods. I mean, isn’t it the job of a supporter to make their chosen candidate answer for wrongdoings (such as lying)?
Yes, Hillary lies. A LOT. And she is a god awful possibility of a US president. Much like Trump. There, I am agreeing with you, before you call me a Democrat or a Clinton goer…
Now, I’d like your opinion, since I’ve scoured through your comments on this article and not a single one of them actually tackles the main issue: Trump’s spokesperson lying through her teeth, encased in a reality she’s the only one aware of. About that, and specifically that, what are your thoughts?
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/joe-scarborough-says-donald-trump-asked-three-171548781.html
“Joe Scarborough Says Donald Trump Asked Three Times Why We Can’t Just Use Nuclear Weapons If We Have Them”
I think the title of this quick interview by Joe Scarborough says it all.
Sorry TI for the duplicate posting. But it’s a doozie.
Those who believe everything Trumps says = those who never question anything here.
You are both part of the problem.
Mr Mackey:
I think you are behaving like some poor third world newspaper that strings together a online articles from across the globe and posts them as news. Your dependence on twitter is becoming legendary. A lot of folks do, but you and RT.com are exceptionally active posting tweets all over the place.
Please take time off to make some original contributions. I think you can, but we need to test it out. Glenn Greenwald can teach you nicely on this art of writing long articles on one single theme.
Whatsay?
From Mr. Mackey’s bio (https://theintercept.com/staff/robertmackey/):
“Robert Mackey writes about national and international news *through the prism of social media*. ”
So, that being the case, his focus on Twitter isn’t surprising.
…or his shallowness.
Pulitzer for Twitter Montage.
A serial liar. Must live in Kentucky.
The Tabloid Candidate
The Trump campaign is nothing less than a tabloid newspaper coming up with extravagant claims or wild assertions as to cause Political Rubbernecking. And that’s what going on here. The Trump strategy seems to be “Keep the Attention on My Campaign”. Even though the attention is negative, it’s still attention.
This is reminiscent of a small child acting out. But instead of ignoring the whining, complaining, tantrum-throwing child, the Media gives him and his campaign the attention he so desperately wants.
Of course, MSNBC this morning was commenting on a possible “intervention” by Trump’s staff to speak to him because his poll numbers seem to be slipping in several key battleground states.
Because it’s not the TV ratings numbers that matter, it’s his Poll numbers that matter.
So when Trump starts telling audiences about Alien DNA being mixed with Obama’s in a an underground laboratory to create an army of terrorists, perhaps the Media will finally get a clue on how to handle his obnoxious behavior.
Ignore it and get the meat of a real question.
“This is reminiscent of a small child acting out.”
Isn’t it equally childish to expect the media to behave only as you want? They are making money mocking Trump for the most part.
Americans don’t ignore walking time bombs… we poke and prod them, we wait for the mental health breakdowns and read about them on TMZ. Not even you can ignore Trump… you are writing about him, yea?
really, you think I’m childish……great analytical fortitude you have there. Do you even know the meaning, especially given your online behavior with Mona and others around here? You’re not exactly in a position of superiority on that issue. lol
A) It’s not what I want. It’s what they should do. Get past the BS and find something substantive.
B) They are not mocking him. They repeatedly spend time trying to correct him or get him to see why he’s incorrect. (btw, Trump doesn’t care)
C) you MISSED the entire point of my post. You only ignore the OBVIOUS obnoxious stuff and get to REAL questions.
D) Yes, of course I write about him. It’s the Political season. So you are presenting a false equivalence. I’m not writing about him in the same manner as the Media. I’m not concerned about He Said/She Said arguments like the Media.
Keep watching and waiting for that mental health breakdown. I guess you like Rubbernecking.
Not surprising.
Note to Self: Charliethreeee has the analytical skills of a gnat. Also admits to Rubbernecking.
Don’t assume because there is not an immediate response, it’s because I’m avoiding you. I do have a life sir or maam.
“It’s not what I want. It’s what they should do.”
I’m not calling you childish, I’m saying that is a childish expectation. The world will never work exactly as each one of us thinks it should. There are 6B+ different opinions on what “they” should do.
I have no intent to insult you or Mona. I’m simply sharing my opinion. I’d rather not be called troll or an idiot for daring to say something that does not fit the accepted narrative here.
Remember, to accomplish positive change, you must get others to agree with you. Perhaps subsequent generations will be more progressive than the one we have now. For the time being, there is no such thing as “It’s what they should do.”
And again, just to clarify, whatever you say they should do, honestly I’d probably agree with you most of the time. I’m just more grounded in reality than you. I realize we are very much still a minority opinion in terms of what should be done.
Galactus is asking for adherence to journalistic standards and practices. This is not one person’s request, and it is the opposite of childishness.
Welcome to the Bullshit Campaign of 2016, where the Biggest Liar wins. Gonna be a close race, folks!
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http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html
Once again CNN (completely Trump 24/7) was used by the Trump shills to command free air time to air and re-air lies and fabrications. Journalistic integrity and fact-based reporting have disappeared from the major networks since Trump crawled out from his tower. Fiction and fairy tales are entertainment for the masses, not to be confused with facts.
Journalistic integrity and fact-based reporting have disappeared from the major networks long before Trump came around. Why do you think he has had so much success?
Ignorant, uninformed people are the most compliant.
The Zionists are behind the open border policy of divide and conquer,and increased Muslim immigration has shown it a prime wellspring of just that,as Muslims killing Americans for being American divides US completely,with the Zionist enablers using their victims as fodder against the candidate who would end this war of terror for zion,the only beneficiaries, other than of course the MIC.
By deception they rule.
Any increased Muslim immigration to Israel?hahahahaha……..
dahoit, the dry cleaners called, your robe & hood are ready
He’s gone, Vic, off to get a permit for the cross burning.
I don’t know about this issue, but almost every other nefarious act that emanates from middle-eastern geopolitical tensions can always be traced back to Zionist Israel, and what is in their best interest. Fuck everyone else.
Yet Mrs. Smith’s speech about her dead son and Hillary’s lies continues to be ignored by the left and its media partners.
The media’s lack of attention to Hillary’s lies is a far greater problem; yet the media colludes with the DNC and the Clinton team to portray Hillary as the “experienced” one. Sad commentary. They should go all out against her well-known crimes and misdemeanors, and I hope it all eventually backfires on this undeserving woman.
Maybe because unlike Chump, Hillary was able to take the high road and not launch a personal attack on an emotional parent who lost a child… even one who lost a child who was spying on a hostile country and opted to engage in a firefight he was told to avoid. Unlike Chump she realized you don’t engage in or win a fight with a grieving parent, you simply respectfully disagree and express sympathy for their loss.
“who was spying on a hostile country and opted to engage in a firefight he was told to avoid. ”
Pure Bullshit. The guy was trying to save Americans. You are so uninformed about Libya, Benghazi and Hillary’s deep deep operation there you really should not comment about it any more, K?
I have written about Shariah here often.
Does that make me a Muslim Brotherhood plant?
Khizr Khan has a liberal background.
Here’s Dr. Juan Cole on this subject:
“Dear Trumpists: Khizr Khan is not ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ and it wouldn’t matter if he Were”, at http://www.juancole.com/2016/08/trumpists-brotherhood-wouldnt.html
I don’t agree with Dr. Cole on the “and it wouldn’t matter if he Were” part, but he does clarify a few things that are worthy. The liberal-minded people in Pakistan do not support the MB-like party in Pakistan and are quite weary of it.
I am referring to this article by Dr. Cole because it sheds a bit more light on this charge against Khizr Khan.
Juan Cole,the CIA asset?Another mealy mouthed excuse for a journalist,as mackneyed as this guy.
Khan is just another tool for zionism,and you defending his abject capitulation to the monsters that caused his sons death because you don’t like Trump is an exercise in hypocrisy,and again exposes your own prejudices.
You have a tendency to read too much into my comments, and then say things that are inconsistent.
You are charging Khan for being “another tool for zionism”, while rejecting Cole’s assertion that Khan does not belong to the Muslim Brotherhood.
In other words, you seem to agree with the charge that Khan has an association with the Muslim Brotherhood, right?
If so, then are you suggesting that the Muslim Brotherhood is a zionist tool?
As for your charge that Cole is a CIA agent, perhaps you have solid evidence to prove it.
However, the issue is not Cole’s association with the CIA, or not. The issue is, is Khan associated with the Muslim Brotherhood?
If he is, then where’s the evidence? You know very well that a lot of people have a tendency to charge Muslims that they are associated with the MB primarily because of their political differences, and for fear mongering, something that sells in some circles.
As for defending Khan, I have been consistent in my primary assertion, which is that those who are doubting his inner motives and intentions, and those of his son, simply do not know their innermost motives and intentions, and are merely passing a judgment based on their outer words and actions. I am not concerned with the Khans’ political affiliations.
Perhaps, that subtlety has escaped you.
I have often made references to Cole’s articles. It’s primarily because he presents a perspective that adds to the discussion. People are free to accept or reject what he says. It doesn’t bother me.
You are simply making an ASS-U-M-ption that his views are my views, based on what is already in your heart. That is, you are merely projecting your own feelings.
Perhaps, you should reflect on what I have stated above in a thoughtful manner and do some self-examination.
You miss my point;I have absolutely nothing against the Muslim Brotherhood,a foreign org interested in the nationalism of Muslims and Islam.
I have no fear of them,and I agree idiots are being misled by serial liars such as Mackney who says that they are the divide and conquer agents,when they have absolutely no political power in America.
The actual real divide and conquer agents are Zion,and HRC,who shamelessly used a victim of their own criminal actions to demean the one guy,who if POTUS,wouldn’t have done those criminal actions.And they have all the political power,witness the rethugs dissing Trump,in MSM ecstasy.
A complete farce.
The only way out of this disaster is America looking out for its own interests not Israels.
I have no idea why seemingly intelligent people can’t see the obvious truth of what Zionism has done to US,and won’t see that that despicable evil twit HRC is their agent.
How much do those I’m with her ads cost,every day for the last few months,to publish?Is there a quid pro quo?A little donation for Zion?
The fix was in at the demoncrat idiots convention,and Trump won’t let them fix his wagon,if he can help it.
That’s not my concern, nor am I discussing this.
You need to re-read what I have stated in a calm and thoughtful manner.
You charged that Cole is a CIA agent.
I said that ‘s not my concern, nor is it my point. The point was to share his article as it adds to the conversation regarding Khan’s alleged involvement with the MB, and presents his perspective.
Nothing more, nothing else.
Sufi, it’s painful to see you casting your pearls before dahoit — who is a racist, antisemitic ardent supporter of Donald Trump. He posts trash.
Yes, it felt like I got caught in dealing with a child who’s throwing a temper tantrum.
A look at Trump’s VP pick and the advisors he has chosen to surround himself with shows Trump has already embraced the fix.
Obama should’ve used that Seinfeld refrain: I’m not a Muslim, …, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Did you ever hear the expression;”Actions speak louder than words”?
From his actions it is quite obvious that Obomba disdains Islam.
How a Muslim can’t see that is amazing.
All I stated was that Obama should’ve used that Seinfeld line.
His disdain for Islam, or lack thereof, was not the point.
Again, you are reading more into my comments than what I stated.
Perhaps, you need to reflect on what other people write in a thoughtful manner.
What grade are you in?
This falsehood is being promulgated in a well organized fashion. The whole claim would be hilarious — since the Muslims can’t even agree on when to start and end Ramadan let alone come up with such an organized, well-orchestrated hidden agenda — if it hadn’t been for the fact that conspiracy theories about the Muslims are accepted and further promulgated by a fairly large number of (perhaps well-meaning) non-Muslims.
Here’s Digby on the right wing fears of the Muslims:
Excerpts:
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The whole thing is at http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/08/right-wing-fears.html
Hey moron,you can bet Gaffney,the pos neocon aint voting for Trump.
You never should have said that about me and 9-11,I will dog you for eternity serial liar.
Do you even read other people’s comments before responding to them?
Did you not see what I was trying to convey, that you should not read too much into other people’s comments and make assumptions, for others can do the same to you?
I was trying to teach you a lesson, not charge you for supporting the evil acts of 911.
There is a huge difference!
Instead of getting all hyper about it, read what I have stated in a thoughtful manner.
That wasn’t my point. You again read more into my comments than was stated.
My point was that anti-Islam sentiments are being promulgated in a well-organized manner. And Gaffney is very much involved in it.
It wasn’t about whether or not he’d vote for Trump.
The media loves to call names and slander people. They tried the racist tag and it didn’t work. Now they are trying the bigot tag. Fine. In Trump you have someone who will give back as good as he gets.
It’s an interesting reversal of roles where the media is complaining about someone who lies, spins and invents a false narrative or creates his own reality. That’s usually the charge leveled against the media.
We know Trump has flaws and he may even be a little crazy, but we need somebody to take on an evil, entrenched establishment that will stick at nothing. A sane person probably wouldn’t do that. I would have preferred Bernie Sanders, but according to Julian Assange the Democrat Party conspired to rob him of the nomination. Which of course is the real story.
Trump may have insulted someone who attacked him on national television in the midst of presidential campaign, but the Clinton camp is overtly criminal. Media people like Mackey are ignoring actual crimes. Watch this interview of Julian Assange on Meet the Press with Chuck Todd, then read the comments below it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYna6r0R1hQ
I know we have a few lawyers lurking around The Intercept. I’d like to see a story on whether the DNC scandal was a conspiracy and whether it was it illegal. Professional opinions anyone?
Maybe someone could do an interview?
I’m not a lawyer, BUT…
The DNC is a private organization, and though it seems that there are severe contract breaches by their activities, this would thus be a civil matter, not a criminal one… except that, as they were seeking donations in a deceptive manner, perhaps criminal fraud would apply.
Of course, election rigging, as exit polls seem to show happened, is criminal, but this may have not been done by the DNC, but by a third party (Monsanto? Raytheon?)
But, then again, with a corrupt judiciary, do words like “illegal” have any meaning?
Some legal chinks may be starting to appear:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-primary-challenger-filing-fec-complaint/
shame! quit picking on the dark skinned girl when CNN hosts a multitude of both men and women who are as bad or worse than katrina. has anyone ever listened to that right wing blonde talking robot kayleigh mcenary? jeffrery lords? corey lewandowski? c’mon, they’re all terrible people on CNN if they support donald j.
Her skin color is immaterial. Since Day One, she has embarrassed herself in every interview that I have seen. She is as clueless as Trump.
Yay, another article bashing Trump while nothing is written of Clinton and her committing treason.
I’m done visiting this place. I thought it was to find the truth of corruption in our system, not continue said corruption in our system.
This was your first post under this moniker so I’m pretty sure you spam this place regularly under different dumb names, and will continue to do so.
Bob, I really balked at your quoting Charles Johnson. In my strong opinion, he should not be approvingly cited by reputable journalists. His long history as a rightwing, Bush-supporting anti-Muslim bigot should preclude it. Anders Breivik cited the LGF site several dozen times in his racist manifesto, before his terrorist rampage. Johnsons’s never owned any of that, and wants everyone to simply let bygones be bygones.
Among other things, he dishonestly scrubbed his LGF site of dozens of his more outrageous posts from the Bush era. He’s not honest. He’s done a great deal of harm up to and including, serving as a springboard for the career of his former close friend, Pamela Geller. LGF was reasonably considered a hate site (which one wag at National Review found oh-so-unfair).
It’s surely the case that the point you wanted to make could have been done with recourse to someone whose own history is not far removed in its ugliness from Donald Trump’s. Maybe you were largely unaware of all this. I hope so.
And it’s not like Clinton/Obama have no blood on their hands. Not Captain Khan’s blood, to be sure, but many others have died as a direct result of Obama/Clinton continuation/normalization of Bush foreign policies that resulted in Capt. Khan’s death.
*I suspect Mr. Mackey suffers from the ‘gator-effect’ ~ a paralyzing belief in the myth that only LOTE is a ‘viable’ option to the … GOTE.
Yes, that’s been obvious at least since the conventions. There’s a split among (actual) progressives about for whom to vote in the general election, HRC or a third party. Feelings are running very high and discussing it has become one of my least favorite things.
What difference does it make who Mackey would vote for, though, so long as he doesn’t make stuff up? I suggested he get canned last week so I’m hardly a reliable supporter. And there we go. This is a debased environment where I have to point shit like that out just so we can have a discussion….
I refuse to base my response on every damn story “whose interests would this serve”? That way lies partisan madness.
It would be a legit concern if everything here at the Intercept was rah rah Hillary (or rah rah anybody), but I know you know that is not the case.
I can imagine the Khans winning a few defamation lawsuits here.
The justice dept will indict them for bribes re immigration fraud hopefully,but of course we know there is no justice in this administration.
Please don’t forget to invoice the Clinton campaign for helping out. They have a substantial budget to help the friendly press.
The only LOTE we have to fear is LOTE itself.
*if Jill Stein didn’t say that, she should have./
Say what you will about Ms Pierson’s grasp of history or common sense, she’s definitely earning her keep as a straight faced spokesperson for a grade-A nitwit. I don’t I could possible to that job without retching.
this NYT video is very powerful:
Voices From Donald Trump’s Rallies, Uncensored
The NY lying times is a corruptyzionist mole traitor org,of whom only the brainless and fellow travelers of Zion respect.
The video speaks for itself. Your are a racist Trump supporter, so you are not alarmed or appalled by anything that video reveals.
Good article and good job pointing this out. Now where’s your piece on how Hillary Clinton called the mother of a Benghazi victim a liar?
Oh that’s right, there is none.
I was going to make fun of you for flogging a story that can be found on multiple sites this very day. Instead I’ll just say: The Intercept doesn’t need to cover this, but Hillary Clinton’s answer to the question was so long that I figure she was lying too. But that’s a matter of tone.
Whereas, saying Obama was the president in 2004, well…….that’s just fucking comical stupidity. Plus there’s no way to try to say “oh different people may have thought they heard different things.” here, the way there is with the Hillary. Who, yeah, is not trustworthy.
Children, this is called deflecting.
Pointing out the MSMs total hypocrisy in telling America the truth about anything and everything is righteous indignation,not deflection like you Hell Bitch supporters do regularly.
Do you leave your conscience in the polling place parking lot?
honestly, who cares?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zYlOU7Fpk
The lady is a nutcase, no more credible than her boss the main nutcase Donald Trump… I would hope that when the dust clears, the people remember the name of Katrina Pierson and others who have pushed their BS trying to elect Trump, and remember that they were trying to destroy America.. and not make it great…
@Edward98 –
Oh, she is a n utcase for sure! I am hoping an praying folks come to some sort of sanity.
BTW, did you all see Mr. Kahn gave a new tv interview?
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/08/03/what-khizr-khan-said-wasnt-about-trump-and-you-probably-wont-hear
As a lifelong Dallasite, I just which this koo-koo bird would STOP using our skyline as her background!
Hey Edward,how are we doing?Great?War everywhere,an economy in shambles for working people,the country more divided than the 60s,no jobs,riots and shootings all over,but you think this is good?
The same assholes who created our dystopian present of BS are worthy of more governance?
There is no one but Donald Trump who can rescue US from the Zionists who control every media outlet in America,and feeds US total horsehockey every day as the protect their racist homeland Israel,ruled by wacko criminals.
Trump for POTUS.
Except that Trump has already caved on this, as evidenced by his VP pick, as well as his choice of advisors.
This was a good one from Mackey, almost too subtle for the content.
So many dopey statements, so little time, but I had forgotten about the “thousands” of Muslims cheering thing he swears he saw. Uh-huh. Maybe the Building 7 obsessives could combine those two, you could have a Truther-Birther thing going.
These threads are now crawling with bigots and crypto-bigots. It’s nasty, late summer midge fog.
Trump has confused New Jersey with East Jerusalem.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp
Yes,The Palestinians celebrated 9-11.How could they not with US as Israels protection and enablement operative?
But what about those dancing Israelis documenting the first plane hit,and celebrating?And that they worked for a Mossad connected moving company,which,after some interrogation of those dancers by police,closed up shop and skedaddled back to Zion,and said,we were documenting the event.
The disconnect from reality by these ziomonsters will bite them big time one day,and all their lies won’t work anymore.
Who is the only nation to benefit from 9-11?Tough question right?sheesh.
Just like you have a tendency to read too much into other people’s comments, I am going to read into what you have stated above, that you not only condone people celebrating the evil acts of 911, you also APPROVE the evil acts of 911!
Would I be correct in reading the above in your above-quoted statement?
Ah,exposed at last as lickspittle.
I personally knew 3 people who died on that day,and in no way shape or form do I condone mass murder.
Saying that Palestinians celebrated it ,and admitting why they would celebrate the revenge on their oppressors,the USA,is in no way shape or form praising that day.
You are a zionist agent,no Muslim at all,a fraud.
Good!
Do you now see why you should not have read too much into my comments?
See how others could also read more into your comments than you intended?
Let this be a lesson for you.
Sorry clown,your comedown won’t work.
You declared war on me with that slander.
No, I did not.
You are perceiving things based on your own inner state, simply projecting your own thoughts into something that doesn’t exist.
I was making a point: that you should not read more into other people’s comments than is stated, for others can do the same to you.
Do you not understand the difference?
You remind me of those corrupt Khans.Lickspittle for their enemies,divide and conquer pos.
You have been outed shitehead.
Is it possible to have a meaningful conversation with you in a thoughtful manner?
Hows the Hell bitch on bigotry?Any movement on the 70 year old imprisonment of the Palestinian people?
How about all the black Africans slaughtered by her terrorist friends?
How about her evil crud husbands 3 strike laws and selective punishment for cocaine?
Give it up,go commit seppeku for your own sanity.
The absolute nadir of american political history,where a complete shameless corrupt f*ckup is annointed as queen,and pos like you love her.
The zionists are the worst bigots in this world,its written in their actions,but the world gives them a pass
Farce times.
let’s see, dahoit still wants to pretend I like Hillary Clinton, and karl wants to pretend I am Mona
when it’s all you got and it still ain’t a lot
Oh, it does not matter, because lies are believed by those who wish to believe them, and any effort to refute the lies only makes the adherents more fervent in their beliefs.
Trump’s lies have the advantage – for those who still care about truth – of being more transparent, while Clinton’s lies tend to be more subtle, and thus more difficult for some to recognize. But both candidates are liars, and thus ideally suited for the US political system.
I’m glad you don’t care about truth. It’s awesome. You big man.
Where did I say I don’t care about the truth? Maybe you should re-read my post.
I was not endorsing either candidate, because I do not endorse either of them; the implication of my post is that they are both liars. And yet between them they get around 90% in the polls. So I also think what I said was true, insofar as the US electorate is concerned. Blinded by dogma, blinded by fear. And as Paul Atreides said, “Fear is a mind killer”.
@24b4Jeff (and Vic)
Sadly, I think you have a point. Didn’t John Cougar Mellencamp once cay we elected Bill Clinton (I think it was) because he was the best liar in the country — and isn’t lying what Presidents do?
It’s scary that those supporters will continue supporting even in the face of such BALDFACE lies. Yes, there was an article about facts backfiring… be glad to post the link, I think it also has some ideas to sort of counteract that trend… some of these folks seem to be in a cult-like trance…
The last US president who attempted to tell the truth to the US people was Jimmy Carter. He talked about conservation, of renewable energy, of ridding ourselves of our dependency on oil, on achieving well being through means other than greed and consumption. And he was trounced by Ronald Reagan, who promised to turn back the clock. So yes, the American people largely do not want anything but assurances from their presidential candidates.
I think that the republican choice for the presidency is in some respects a throw back to 1980, although I realize that Reagan was far better prepared, both in terms of temperament and experience, than his present day counterpart. I also think the democrat process is even more so a throw back to 1968, insofar as the playing field was tilted strongly toward the choice of the elites, although again I do not wish to demean the memory of Hubert Humphrey, a man of principles and character, by implying that his present day counterpart is anywhere near him in those terms.
The sentence “whats on the internet is true” is scary, because I see more and more people with this mindset. But when everything you see on TV is so obviously fake, why would people not try to find some grains of truth for themselves?
Saying “everything you see on TV is so obviously fake” would be even more misguided than saying that everything you see on TV is obviously real. (if you really meant it)
Katrina Pierson bungled the details, but the fact remains that Mr. Khan’s son died in a war that Hillary voted for.
Seems like collusion from pro-Hillary/anti-Trump media that the Khans’ appearance at the DNC has turned into a Trump scandal. Even Glenn Greenwald tweeted a link to an article in The Week that said this “scandal” is overblown, so it is a surprise to see this agenda being pushed in The Intercept.
oh for fucks sake
well maybe everything she said was bone-stupid, I mean fucking imbecilic, but see I have an ax to grind here….
You mean a triviality such as who was actually president and thus responsible for the death of the Kahns’ son? A “detail” like that?
“Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, did you like the play?”
While surfing the channels today, I saw an interview with a former NSA person who claimed since the NSA collects ALL email traffic in the US, that they should have Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.
Hey, if anyone out there is working at the NSA, please use ICReach to locate the missing emails…..lol and send them over to The Intercept.
Why should they publish them now, given the prospect of being able to blackmail Clinton with them later should she be elected?