In recent months, the WikiLeaks Twitter feed has started to look more like the stream of an opposition research firm working mainly to undermine Hillary Clinton than the updates of a non-partisan platform for whistleblowers.
Clinton celebrates her role in killing #Libya's head of state which led to ISIS takeover https://t.co/E2oAtKJ4ei pic.twitter.com/6ESnLhsQtV
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) August 1, 2016
Does "Board after party" image illustrate HRC's poor WikiLeaks poll results–entitled, uncool and unaware of it? pic.twitter.com/ht01ZlP8Z0
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 30, 2016
US poll: Who will you vote to become President?
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 29, 2016
Bernie Sanders Delegates drop this Wikileaks Banner as Hillary Clinton speaks #DNCinPHL #DNCLeak #FeelTheBern pic.twitter.com/oVGkQIc4Qu
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 29, 2016
Poll of polls: Trump now favored to win election after Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton #DNCLeak https://t.co/DOooNoC7hO #DNCinPHL
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 29, 2016
Audience at DNC turns on Bernie Sanders after he says "we must elect Hillary Clinton" following #DNCLeak https://t.co/yJszgko2XK #DNCinPHL
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 25, 2016
Hillary Clinton's showy rewarding of corruption by DWS is an ill wind for the corruption-overton-window of a future presidency.
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 24, 2016
Hillary Clinton has stolen our innovative WikiLeaks twitter logo design. Compare: @WikiLeaks vs @HillaryClinton pic.twitter.com/mifka4mXf4
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) April 12, 2015
This has puzzled some of the group’s supporters, and led to speculation that the site’s Australian founder, Julian Assange, had timed the release of emails hacked from the servers of the Democratic National Committee to drive a wedge between supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. The publication of emails that revealed an anti-Sanders agenda inside the Democratic party was certainly welcomed by the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.
The Wikileaks e-mail release today was so bad to Sanders that it will make it impossible for him to support her, unless he is a fraud!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 23, 2016
@realDonaldTrump That is https://t.co/kpFxYDoNyX — everyone can see for themselves. pic.twitter.com/JBEoTSZocO
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 23, 2016
But it should come as no surprise to anyone who looks back at the founding principles of WikiLeaks that Assange — who has clearly stated his distaste for the idea of the former secretary of state becoming president — would make aggressive use of leaked documents to try to undermine her.
As Raffi Khatchadourian explained in a New Yorker profile of the WikiLeaks founder in 2010, “Assange, despite his claims to scientific journalism, emphasized to me that his mission is to expose injustice, not to provide an even-handed record of events.” To Assange, Khatchadourian wrote, “Leaks were an instrument of information warfare.”
In other words, Assange’s project has been from the start more like opposition research than dispassionate reporting. His goal is to find dirt in the servers of powerful individuals or organizations he sees as corrupt or dangerous, and bring them down by exposing it. As he memorably told Der Spiegel in 2010, “I enjoy crushing bastards.”
His recent focus on “crushing” Clinton but not Trump has led some to ask Assange if he is worried about helping to elect someone who might be even more hostile to him — let alone to the causes of justice and peace that have motivated Wikileaks’ previous disclosures. Asked recently by Amy Goodman of “Democracy Now” if he does prefer Trump over Clinton, Assange replied, “You’re asking me, do I prefer cholera or gonorrhea?”
Speaking to Bill Maher on Friday night from the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where he has been effectively confined for more than four years, Assange joked about hacking Trump’s tax returns, but added, “from the perspective of WikiLeaks trying to protect its sources, you have really two very bad presidential candidates.”
In an address to the American Green Party convention on Saturday, Assange reiterated that both major party candidates for the presidency were “horrific,” but argued that “it certainly doesn’t make as much difference as people say,” which of them gets elected. What is important, he said, is to build political pressure “to discipline and hold to account and check the abuses of power during the next four years.”
Standing ovation for Julian Assange of @wikileaks at the #GNCinHOU pic.twitter.com/duXmSrAFF3
— Green Party of MN (@MnGreens) August 6, 2016
To better understand Assange’s recent intervention in the U.S. election, it helps to look more closely at a sort of manifesto he wrote as he was creating WikiLeaks. The same month that WikiLeaks.org went live, in December of 2006, Assange posted an essay on his blog, “Conspiracy as Governance,” in which he explained his theory that authoritarian regimes — and western political parties — maintain power by conspiring to keep the public in the dark, through “collaborative secrecy, working to the detriment of a population.” In order for the people to regain control of the political system, Assange argued, it is necessary to find ways of “throttling the conspiracy,” like disrupting the ability of the conspirators to communicate secretly.
With that in mind, Assange wrote, “let us consider two closely balanced and broadly conspiratorial power groupings, the US Democratic and Republican parties.” He continued, “Consider what would happen if one of these parties gave up their mobile phones, fax and email correspondence — let alone the computer systems which manage their subscribers, donors, budgets, polling, call centres and direct mail campaigns? They would immediately fall into an organisational stupor and lose to the other.”
A decade later, by releasing thousands of unredacted emails and voice-mail messages hacked from the Democratic Party — in a database that makes it easy to search for the social security numbers of donors, as well as their passport and credit card details — Assange was finally able to put his theory into practice, by attempting to throttle one of the “conspiratorial power groupings” that selects candidates to run the U.S. government.
Assange’s attack on the DNC certainly revealed hypocrisy within the party, and led to the resignations of four senior officials, but his decision to not redact personal information from those documents — or from a second cache of emails hacked from a Turkish political party — also led to criticism from some longtime supporters, including Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower.
Democratizing information has never been more vital, and @Wikileaks has helped. But their hostility to even modest curation is a mistake.
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) July 28, 2016
My colleague Glenn Greenwald also told Slate last week that he was troubled by the fact that WikiLeaks had abandoned its previous policy of redaction. “There were tons of redactions when they were releasing Pentagon documents about the Afghanistan and Iraq wars,” he noted. “And they even wrote a letter to the State Department before they released the cables requesting the State Department’s help in figuring out which information ought to be withheld.”
Although Assange has spoken of the dumping of “pristine,” unedited documents as a philosophical principle — and his biographer Andrew O’Hagan reported that the collapse of his working relationship with the editors of the New York Times and the Guardian was partly fueled by disagreements about redaction — it seems possible that the intense pressure on the organization has also made it nearly impossible to carry out careful editing of every document it obtains. Assange continues to be confined to Ecuador’s embassy in London — which has been described as illegal, “arbitrary detention” by a United Nations panel — and Sarah Harrison, who was the site’s investigations editor, has chosen to live in exile in Berlin since helping Snowden get from Hong Kong to Russia, heeding legal advice that she could face prosecution if she tried to return to Britain.
Whatever the reason, it is difficult to see a public-interest argument for making public some of what was contained in the DNC files. One of the voice-mail recordings, for instance, was a conversation between a staffer and his young child during a visit to a zoo, which appears to have been left by accident, following a pocket-dial. The staffer’s phone number was made available, much to the delight of some Trump supporters.
The Wikileaks voicemail leaks are very damning now we have names and phone numbers and voices
— Made In America (@dileximan) July 30, 2016
As the Turkish scholar Zeynep Tufekci explained in the Huffington Post, a trove of Turkish-language emails WikiLeaks released last month, inaccurately presented as private messages from members of Turkey’s ruling party, the AKP, also included little of public interest but did reveal the private information of ordinary citizens.
RELEASE: 294,548 emails from Turkey's ruling political party, Erdo?an's AKP #AKPemails https://t.co/1Yof7YZpH7 pic.twitter.com/GGzGS8oUrY
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 19, 2016
To make matters worse, the WikiLeaks Twitter feed also shared a link to another cache of hacked Turkish documents that included home addresses or phone numbers for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces.
You know the safety, privacy and misrepresentation of millions of people in other countries MATTERS too? Maybe not to Wikileaks, but to us?
— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) August 1, 2016
Unfortunately, for believers in the WikiLeaks project, Assange has responded to criticism of his redaction-free document dumps by attacking even longtime supporters who have spoken out. The @wikiLeaks Twitter account the site’s founder uses to annotate documents and rebut critics replied angrily to Snowden’s message about the desirability of some sort of selective editing, accusing the NSA whistleblower whom Assange helped get asylum in Russia of angling for a pardon from Clinton.
@Snowden Opportunism won't earn you a pardon from Clinton & curation is not censorship of ruling party cash flows https://t.co/4FeygfPynk
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) July 28, 2016
WikiLeaks also suggested, wrongly, that Tufekci is an “apologist” for Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan — a leader she has, in fact, frequently criticized for his opposition to internet freedom.
I am … printing this one and putting in my wallet next time I'm in Turkey. "Hi, I'm an Erdogan apologist." ???? pic.twitter.com/mduPcb9qlV
— Zeynep Tufekci (@zeynep) July 25, 2016
Of course, Assange is hardly alone in being quick to denounce his critics on Twitter, but the way in which he uses the @wikileaks account these days matters to the overall functioning of the organization because it is the only obvious way for outsiders to provide feedback on the annotation or analysis of the documents. Despite the site’s name, WikiLeaks never developed into a Wikipedia-like website that welcomes, or facilitates crowd-sourced annotation and vetting of the documents it obtains. If you spot an error on Wikipedia, you can fix it, but WikiLeaks does not allow for that kind of collaborative fact-checking.
That the site was originally intended to function more like a crowd-sourced, wiki platform was suggested by the Wikipedia-like annotation that accompanied the very first document uploaded by WikiLeaks in 2006. (Although it was described as a “leak,” that document — an order from an Islamist rebel leader in Somalia that the site’s editors could not verify as authentic — was not provided by a whistleblower, but stolen from Chinese hackers by a WikiLeaks activist who intercepted traffic flowing through a Tor network server he owned.)
Since the crowd-sourced aspect of WikiLeaks proved difficult to implement, and the site no longer relies mainly on collaborations with news organizations to vet and make sense of the vast troves of documents it obtains, Assange has, over time, taken on the role of the organization’s main analyst. Before the advent of Twitter, analysis and annotation written by Assange and his volunteers filled a section of the WikiLeaks website. Lately, though, most of the interpretation of the documents has been done only in short bursts on the WikiLeaks Twitter feed, where the site’s founder draws attention to items he thinks are important, and tries to provide some context and analysis.
The micro-blogging format has obvious limits, however, when it comes to making complex annotations. The generally hostile tone of the WikiLeaks Twitter feed in response to even well-intentioned efforts to fact-check the group’s work has also severely hampered the project’s ability to use crowd-sourcing to properly annotate and vet the documents it posts. (I know this from first-hand experience, having been denounced by @wikileaks last month for pointing to a factual error in one of the group’s tweets about a DNC email.)
This criticism might seem like a narrow, technical objection — and it is certainly the case that journalists independently continue to help verify and interpret the most significant documents Assange publishes — but WikiLeaks’ lack of scrutiny of the documents it obtains, and its founder’s hostility to constructive criticism from outsiders, could be a significant problem if it is ever duped into publishing a forgery.
What if, as the cybersecurity consultant Matt Tait asked last month in relation to the DNC emails, a source — like, say, a hacker working for a Russian intelligence agency — provided WikiLeaks with a cache of documents that was tampered with in order to smear a political candidate?
In a post on the blog Lawfare, Tait explained that he had spent some time looking through the DNC files for any signs of a fake email planted among the genuine ones:
The metadata analysis I did on the leaked documents that day was almost by accident. I was actually looking for evidence of something much more frightening and which still keeps me up at night: What if the documents were mostly real, but had been surgically doctored? How effective would a carefully planted paragraph in an otherwise valid document be at derailing a campaign? How easily could Russia remove or sidestep an inconvenient DNC official with a single doctored paragraph showing “proof” of dishonest, unethical or illegal practices? And how little credibility would the sheepish official have in asserting that “all of the rest of the emails are true, but just not the one paragraph or email that makes me look bad?”
WikiLeaks is justly proud of its record to date of not being duped by forgers.
“The materials that we release are pristine,” Assange told Bill Maher on Friday. “We’re really good at this, we have a ten-year perfect record of having never got it wrong in relation to the integrity of what we’ve released.”
Still, given that WikiLeaks is now unwilling or unable to closely scrutinize all of the documents it obtains, it is not hard to imagine a scenario where something like this could occur — and that possibility itself serves to diminish the group’s credibility as a source of unvarnished truth.
Even so, for an organization so wounded by official persecution, it remains capable of inflicting remarkable damage. Although the DNC leaks have so far failed to derail Clinton’s campaign, Assange has hinted in recent interviews that he has more material on the candidate that he plans to release soon. While it is unclear why Assange would hold on to any secrets that might torpedo Clinton, if he has something like that, the fear of a WikiLeaks-powered October surprise must still haunt the dreams of her advisors.
This is a revolution, not a tea party. Who gives a fuck if some kid’s zoo convo with his dad is exposed. Assange is a rare hero who deserves unequivocal support. Shame on the Intercept.
You cannot be serious. You are JOURNALISTS and you are telling us that Assange’s release of the truth about a presidential candidate is rude? That is outrageous. What the hell happened to investigative reporting and asking hard questions? Assange does your job for you, the job you evidently are too incompetent, too cowardly, to handle. He is a hero. He has interrupted the coronation, at great personal risk to himself, because that’s what journalists are supposed to do.
The people have turned to the media, the justice department, the FBI, and the president for relief concerning the Clinton’s election fraud during the primary. Nowhere do we find that relief except from Julian Assange. Nowhere will any of you accept your responsibilities to the people. It’s pathetic.
You’ve got to be a fool to defend Hillary Clinton, she is a criminal. Julian Assange and Wikileaks are doing what they’ve always done, attack high profile crooks who would otherwise escape public scrutiny for their crimes, by releasing secret documents that show how evil they are.
To suggest that Wikileaks is biased is retarded. Just because one politician is a criminal, and just because people frequently say all politicians are crooks, does not actually cause every politician to be crooked. Maybe Wikileaks isn’t releasing a bunch of documents on the republican party because they aren’t involved in gigantic conspiracies to rig the primaries. That’s especially easy to believe when you consider that the Republican party hates Trump and had several favorites before him.
Hillary Clinton is a criminal. She’s a felon with a long history of extremely evil behavior. If you defend her then you are as evil as she is. You might say you’re playing the devil’s advocate but peoples’ lives are at stake and there is no room for devil’s advocates. This is a fight of good versus evil and you are either with us (the good guys) or you’re going to hell.
For you to call someone a criminal there need to be some evidence of criminal behavior.
Hillary’s emails, Clinton foundation records, Hillary and Bill’s meeting schedules – all evidence that Hillary is hiding.
need more evidence?
go back to your CNN…
“….Assange reiterated that both major party candidates for the presidency were “horrific,” but argued that “it certainly doesn’t make as much difference as people say,” which of them gets elected. What is important, he said, is to build political pressure “to discipline and hold to account and check the abuses of power during the next four years.””
Totally agree. Unimpressed by this undermining of WL by this site
To me, it feels like Wikileaks is simply retaliating against the attacks it’s sustained for releasing the leaks on the DNC. Attacks that have come from what now seems to be a collective between the HRC camp, the DNC and multiple MSM broadcasters/press outlets.
Wikileaks released primary source data, unaltered, without narrative and without taking things out of context… in turn they saw the MSM press turn on them immediately, asynchronously and aggressively, attaching a narrative based on rumors and trying to make the issue about shaming Assange and getting their audiences to disregard Wikileaks over a notion that it was “Russian State” interference in the election. – with a logical fallacy as the basis for claiming corruption… that being the premise that exposing corruption in a primary election is a corrupting act in itself!
The leaks also made clear there was some culture of collusion between the DNC/HRC campaign/PACs and the MSM press, snaring CNN, MSNBC, NYT, Politico and others in the process.
I don’t blame Wikileaks for doubling down and giving Clinton the attention she deserves and loaded hyperbole with it… I can follow up (in fact, the MSM has made it a necessity for me to) with research to ascertain what parts of the rhetoric are substantiated by evidence.
I’m still yet to see Wikileaks spin anything to the degree pretty much every MSM outlet does on a daily basis… and until I do… I’ll forgive them for retaliating against the bullshit hyperbole they’re routinely subjected to lately.
It’s really impressive the amount of reactions this article got! I am very amazed with the very positive and supportive position most of people here show towards Assange an WL. Once more, the moment is not for joining international conservative medias campaign against everything that contradicts their truths. Assange is doing a great job in rather hard conditions and support him, show solidarity and advocate in his favor is crucial at this point.
I expect better than this gutter press nonsense from the intercept. Get your shit together, fuckers.
I think we can all agree that capitalism sucks, war sucks, private banking sucks, and monetary speculation sucks. Also, corruption sucks. The Dems suck, the Reps suck, the Libs suck and the Greens suck (if only because they support health-damaging supplements, anti-scientific alternative medicines, and fighting vaccination). Bizarrely, Assange has been quiet about corruption in the Green Party, and goes so far as to have an oration at their convention. I guess we all know which party he has the most affection for.
There’s nothing wrong with exposing corruption — but one shouldn’t be selective in doing so. If somebody decides to take high-profile whistle-blowing into their hands to expose the Dems, they shouldn’t be shying away from exposing the Republicans or Greens either. In fact, why stop with corruption at a party level? Ultimately, isn’t it corruption as such that WikiLeaks claims to be battling, and not the Democratic Party? (Not that I care about the Democrats much myself — after Sanders left, I’ve returned to a state of complete apathy towards any established mainstream party, since they are all pro-capitalist so far.)
Wikileaks has done quite a bit, I guess, but has Assange ever told us something we didn’t already know?
“US helicopters are killing kids in Afghanistan”
No shit, Sherlock! We knew about that in the 80’s, and we knew about child-murders in the 60’s as well. When has the US Army actually been used for legitimate reasons???
“NSA is spying on citizens and on German and Brazilian politicians.”
Wow, Mr. Assange, are you suggesting that espionage organizations are actually SPYING on other people??? Will poke me with a cattle prod and call me shocked! Next thing you know, the German secret police is spying on its citizens and also on China! Whoof! What a shocker!
(The fact that ISPs spy on their own customers and give away personal information to swindlers, the police and anti-piracy trolls without hesitation, while also using this information to foist their own idiotic corporate deals and merch on the public, is mysteriously left out of the whole “guess who’s spying on whom this week”-picture)
“The DNC was biased against Sanders, and Hillary has some shady donors!”
Again, what a shocker. Next thing you’re going to tell me that the Dems were biased against Eugene McCarthy as well, when that dude tried to run for prez. After all the mud that Clinton had slung at Sanders from the very beginning, the exposure of the DNC e-mails was an anticlimax. Of course we’re all surprised Sanders put his weight behind Hillary — but then again, he’s also left the Democrats and is hitting out on his own with Our Revolution (a proto social-democratic worker’s party apparently), so I don’t know what to think except that I’m still a social-democrat and I still won’t vote for Hillary.
Hillary’s own corruption was apparent decades ago, when she and her husband first appeared in politics, for crying out loud.
All of this ado about Assange and his exile makes me suspicious. Firstly, Wikileaks is obviously much more than just Assange’s personal blog, and yet nobody seems concerned with any other author or personality connected with that site, and secondly, Assange’s “disclosures” have always been at the benefit of German and Russian oligarchs, as well as the Greens. No wonder Snowden distances himself from Assange, and now the Intercept is showing their distaste for Assange’s bias. For a guy “trapped in the Ecuardorian embassy for four years”, he seems to get around a lot. Of course he has a backbone — he’s also got somebody lining his pockets. He gets paid for being a “staunch whistleblower”. What, you don’t think oligarchs are willing to pay a dude to pretend to be a friend of the people and an exposer of untruths to hurt the oligarchs’ political and economic rivals? It’s bit a like political anti-astroturfing: faking outrage to hurt your opponent.
Really, there is no winning side in this equation. I don’t believe Assange is any better, purer or pro-socialist than Wasserman-Schultz or Glenn Beck. In a profit-driven society, you don’t get to the top just by being a clever whistleblower. And to me, becoming a top correspondent for RT and making your own well-to-do “nonprofit” human rights organization that doesn’t really do anything but rake in money and occasionally say something that the people want to hear (e.g. Wasserman-Schultz is biased), is pretty close to the top of the journalist game. He is probably living it up quite a ways outside of the embassy — to which he wasn’t even exiled. He is pretty much free to go wherever he wants to, though of course he high-tailed it to Ecuador as soon as rape allegations started to surface in Sweden. If he’s innocent and has such an impressive backbone, why not face the questioning valiantly and prove his innocence? And if he’s guilty, then we should hardly be cheering him on as if he was a modern-day Robin Hood or Joan of Arc.
“that possibility itself serves to diminish the group’s credibility as a source of unvarnished truth” Only in your narrow view of this situation. You’re not a prisoner in a room in London who has been there years. Its easy for you with your comfortable life to criticise what this man does. Articles like this do the Intercept no favours. With the Intercept, what has started out as a promising platform for unbiased views/news is now starting to sound like the Washington Post or New York Times.
ya I’ve notice that myself, i don’t like news outlets to have bias opinions they state as news there is an opinion section for that. but at least we can decern where they stand as an organization like Langley’s Washington post and N.Y. times
Just wanted to offer a head bow towards Ecuador for having a backbone. I am sure it is under considerable pressure.
Be as it may, beyond critics to wikileaks and Assange and improvements they could get upon well-intentioned suggestions, open solidarity and strong support toward Assange and the job of Wikileaks must be expressed. This is a moment when crowds should be everywhere on streets calling for Assanges’ end of imprisonment! Consistent media campaign should go on this direction and not the opposite, as we have seen recently in many articles.
I WOULDN’T LIKE TO LIVE IN A WORLD WITHOUT WIKILEAKS!
Exactly! WikiLeaks should be supported today more than ever.
It’s not rocket science, Julian has a motive just like every one of us. Only he is uniquely positioned to get to get the satisfaction of saying “fuck you” to Hillary Clinton and exposing valid and vile interconnections of corruption, nepotism, etc. Is he influencing the election, of course. But, he is also compensating for the vacuum where investigative journalism should be, but is obfuscated by corporate interests represented most stridently via Clinton… So, I think its great what he does.
Exactly right, Coty.
Corrupt partisans complain of his “influencing” the election but fail to mention the massive corruption that fully swayed the election itself. How hypocritical of them to say, and how corrupt of them to not care.
Sorry, double post as the original wasn’t showing.
Exactly right. The same corrupt partisan actors decry the “influencing” of the election but forget to have an opinion on the DNC’s absolute control over the election itself using cheap tricks and media collusion.
Wow! I’m late to the party on this article and the feverish responses from TI’s community.
Wikileaks and Assange are sacred cows around here, toe the line Mackey!!
Assange. Put up or shut up. I like much of the work of Wikileaks, but you are now strategizing for your own benefit, and your own vendetta. That is not how truth emerges.
Why is Assange strategically dribbling out the information? Why is he NOT revealing the part he insinuates is most damning of Clinton? Why was the timing of the Democratic Party’s shady favoritism timed the Friday before the DNC?
Is Assange working for transparency and truth, or for maximum damage as part of a personal vendetta?
Fostering suspicion and doubt about Clinton does NOT support the greater cause of truth – more the opposite, as suspicion and doubt are tools of disinformation. The Trump campaign is now running with the suspicion, falsely claiming that Wikiliaks HAS revealed information that should put Clinton in jail. This is good for Assange’s desire for vengeance, but not for transparency.
If Assange is for truth and transparency, then show us what you’ve got.
This is nothing new. Just a couple weeks ago Assange said this to the NYT:
Assange is a politically-motivated middleman. Assange cavalierly admitted this back in 2010 when he said he promised his sources to get the “maximum political impact” which at that time meant editing a tape of a U.S. Apache helicopter attack and labeling it “Collateral Murder.”
This should answer your first two questions. Assange is aiming for maximum impact.
Both claims deserve asterisks. Assange is akin to a mercenary. In return for you providing him documents and records to leak, he will comply with your demands on how to present them and time it for political reasons. He’s edited tapes in the past to maximize political impact. As is the case now, he has sat on information until the appropriate time. I wonder what other sketchy things he does for his sources?
And the tape shows…collateral murder. Moreover, WL at all times has made the original, unedited version available right next to the other at their site. Nothing in the editing changed the salient revelations.
Well he certainly is politically motivated, and has not only never hidden it, he’s insisted upon it. His goal is to reveal the illegitimate secrets of powerful governments and corporations. (As opposed to, say, the trade secret recipe for Pizza Hut’s crust.) And a very fine job of it he does.
Good. More evidence that whatever else Assange is, he’s no fool. And, there’s nothing “sketchy” about it.
I don’t see it that way. As Stephen Colbert said, Assange’s title was “a pure editorial.” Colbert’s rant against it sums up my feelings pretty well. Although WL may brings to light matters that we all benefit from, that doesn’t give him carte blanche, or render immune from criticism, the means he uses to get to that end, such as Mr. Mackey has done.
You’re right that WL made the unedited video available; but Assange literally bragged about how only 10% of visitors watched the full, unedited version. That’s some calculated dishonesty and would be analogous to Glenn editing the records provided by Snowden to strengthen his stories’ appeal and then burying a link to the full records, containing important context, within the article or as a footnote.
You may be willing to give Assange the benefit of the doubt because his motivations may align with yours but would you still feel that way if some antithetical version of Wikileaks arose whose curator was a fear-monger that strategically leaked information in a manner that undermined politicians with a civil libertarian bent?
You seek the revelation of illegitimate government and corporate secrets. WL can accomplish that without Assange manipulating the contents.
You’re giving a really, really false read of the interaction between the parody personality of Stephen Colbert and Assange.
Try this for some context. It’s a hell of lot less “gothcha” than the dishonest excerpting you’ve used to “sum up your feeling pretty well” with.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/stephen-colbert-vs-julian_b_816197.html
Kitt, promise me if I keep posting to Nate that you will infect my computer with a fatal virus. A real friend would.
A false read? I am literally quoting Colbert. You don’t explain how anything I said is false or lacking context.
Your link only confirms that what I said was was accurate. If it isn’t, explain how. Specifically.
I’m not going to waste my time explaining the difference to you between a parody comedy show host having a conversation with Assange, and a Nate having a conversation with his own imagination of same. I’ll just leave it to anyone here who wants to open the link to decide for themselves.
In NateWorld, slowing down frames and captioning them for the viewer constitutes “manipulating content.” I’ve seen countless journalists and documentarians of excellent repute do the same.
And in NateWorld, “editorializing” is “sketchy,” even tho activists journalists — including Greenwald and Scahill and many others — do it all the time.
But Assange attracts this sort of petulant idiocy from many, and there’s no reason it shouldn’t include fuckwitted Nate.
Mona, don’t go whining to Kitt for reinforcement. He may be your pal but you shouldn’t pressure him to endorse your shoddy arguments. You’re an adult (I assume), so speak for yourself instead of finding a sympathetic shoulder to cry on.
It appears we are at an impasse (I know, big surprise), but I have a path forward. Since you constantly remind us all that you’re besties with Glenn and act as his unofficial defender, perhaps you could ask him!?
“Glenn, is it true that you edit the records provided by Snowden, similar to how Assange did with the Collateral Murder video, to strengthen your stories’ appeal?
Now Mona, be sure to present my question verbatim.
Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V.
After all, you have a terrible reputation for not arguing in good faith so I’m awfully hesitant to trust you with relaying that question in its accurate and complete form. After all, you don’t understand what the words “manipulate” and “edit” mean. But please, prove me wrong Mona!!
LOL, do you have any self-awareness!?
No, he did not. He was defending his edits by pointing out that at least 10% had chosen to view the whole unedited thing. And no one serious reported material differences in the edited version. There are none.
Which you think because you are a fuckwit.
He manipulates nothing. He reports on the contents. Titling a video does not constitute “manipulating the contents.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOLOLOLOL
You fuckwitted nut, that’s exactly how most of the Snowden documents have been reported — by nearly everyone, including Bart Gellman. Passages are excerpted and highlighted, or only a slide or two shown, with a link made, often at the bottom, to the entire document (or as much as the reporting team feels can be responsibly revealed).
Mona says:
[Assange] was defending his edits…
Followed by:
[Assange manipulates nothing. He reported on the contents. Titling a video does not constitute “manipulating the contents.”]
You can’t acknowledge that he made edits but then say he manipulates nothing. Try not to contradict yourself right out the gates. Couldn’t you have at least read the Collateral Murder wikipedia page to get the background information correct!? If you had, you’d know that in the editorialized version, WL highlights the two photographers by slowing down the footage and then glosses over the men carrying an AK-47 and RPG. “Assange later acknowledged ‘Based upon visual evidence, I suspect there probably were AKs and an RPG, but I’m not sure that means anything,'” LOL, of course not Julian! The Guardian in 2010 agreed with Colbert’s depiction.
Mona, performing the bare minimal due diligence is like playing good defense in basketball. It’s 10% skill and 90% effort. You are TI’s James Harden of due diligence.
LOL, there’s the Mona I was expecting. I hope you don’t play Poker because when you get flustered it shows.
LOL. As Ned Flanders would say Mona, your responses are “pre-diddly-ictable.” If Donald Trump normalizes name-calling and fact-deficient rants, maybe there is still hope for you!
Now I shall resume stating the obvious. “Excerpt” and “highlight” does not equal, nor is it synonymous with “edit,” Mona.
waits patiently for Mona to jot down this factoid
Perhaps consult your dictionary for the differences but I’ll get you started: the former requires focusing the reader’s or viewer’s attention on key sections or portions of a document, record, video, et al. because they may contain lengthy or extraneous information. The latter is to physically manipulate the contents. Your homework tonight is to study the word man-ip-u-late To shorten the footage, to add arrows selectively and slow down parts that bolster your point, to add a politically beneficial title. Those are manipulations.
class is out!
i wasnt understanding the stupidity of your comments till i read this…
“If Donald Trump normalizes name-calling and fact-deficient rants, maybe there is still hope for you!”
so your problem is the opposition that your dear criminal hillary is getting!
i prefer name-calling and fact-deficient rants that a criminal that puts wars forward…
im so sad for people like you do exist…
and to resume all the BS that you have written… “WL at all times has made the original, unedited version available right next to the other at their site”
you can check a dictionary… but manipulation doesnt includes putting the unedited version available right next!
I am not sure I understand why The Intercept published this article. What is the motivation to attack Assange? It seems these days everyone must question the motivation for all the media that’s being spewed out. Is there really anything such thing as a dispassionate dispatch of information where humans are involved? If ever there was a time for the info about the DNC’s emails to come out, the time was now. Why attack Assange for that? To say that it is biased, isn’t there enough to condemn Trump without Wikileaks help? If Assange is exasperated at this point I can certainly understand, but it seems to me the leaks thus far are probably very conservative. The whole narrative that is evolving in the press of anything anti-Hillary to be part of a Putin plot seem pretty ludicrous to me. Are we headed into a neo-McCarthy era?
“If ever there was a time for the info about the DNC’s emails to come out, the time was now”
Exactly. So why is Assange holding back what he insinuates is the most damning part? Is it about free information and truth, or about maximum vengeance?
“If ever there was a time for the info about the DNC’s emails to come out, the time was now. ”
Right. So why is Assange strategically dribbling out the information. Why is he NOT revealing that part he insinuates is most damning of Clinton? Why was the timing of the Democratic Party’s shady favoritism timed the Friday before the DNC?
Is Assange working for transparency and truth, or for maximum damage as part of a personal vendetta?
For now, he is helping the Russians and Trump achieve their goals of fostering suspicion and doubt about Clinton. Suspicion and doubt are NOT truth – they are more the opposite. If Assange is for truth and transparency, then show us what you’ve got.
Because , like most of the media , they are in the tank for Hillary and doing damage control ,so that if ( or when) something comes out they can blow it off as some kind of massive Trump _ Putin plot to derail the elections.
Yet they say trump is disorganized and a loose cannon . Would Putin side with a loose cannon . Yes deflection ,deflection , lie , lie , most on ” At this point what difference does it make”
What a ridiculous article! Wikileaks #1 does not do the hacking, they merely gather the information given to them, vet the information and then release it with out an opinion! #2 they are doing what the NEWS MEDIA should be doing! that means you to Mr Mackey!
American journalism has collapsed. W..T..F has happened to journalism ? since when is it more important to attack another news site that releases information over actual analysis of the information?
I am not quite sure I understand this attack on Assange. If there ever truly any dispassionate reporting? If his recent releases of the DNC emails seem biased, well, if ever there was a time to know about the DNC’s corruption of the democratic process, isn’t it now? Isn’t there more than enough to condemn Donald Trump without any aid from Wikileaks? All this article has done is made me question the Intercept’s motivation for publishing it. This is certainly time to question everything. Generally I have more faith in those who fall on the side of aiding the underdogs, for certainly they have the least to gain by doing so. I would understand too if Assange were feeling a bit exasperated just now. The forces that are keeping him from being a free man cannot be good. He is only relaying information. The recent revelations do not seem to have had too much effect on the political process . . . unfortunately.
Rather than wait for Mr. Mackey to correct the falsehoods here, please move on to the outstanding article posted by GG.
Those who know, or wanted to know, already know what they need to know about the author here, and the rest can read GG’s article in the hopes of freeing themselves from the chains of compound ignorance!
Mackey you neglected to clearly illustrate that H. Clinton is directly or indirectly responsible for Assange’s exceptional exile. Did you assume all readers already know that?
It doesn’t even take a journalist to gather that, if anything, Assange is low on funds; stressed from years of death threats and exile; short on friends, perhaps by design of his enemies such as Clinton and others; and needs an intelligent and attractive spokesperson. Mackey fails again to mention any of this.
In the end I’m struck with the side-story of public flogging being exposed. Clinton flogs Assange for CableGate with help from Sweden and England. Ecuador flogs Britain for colluding with tyrants. WikiLeaks flogs DNC for sabotaging 2016 Democratic Party Nomination for POTUS. WikiLeaks puts Turkish voters at risk of being flogged. Snowden flogs Assange publicly for making a (rather serious) mistake. I’m sure I missed some of the flogging going on here, help me out!
Assange isn’t afraid to flog back, but he should know that never looks good. Dude’s in exile! Either charge him with a crime or cut him some slack, even if your name is Snowden and you’re in exile too!
oh wait – let’s suppose that Wikileaks does have the missing 3000 emails. Are they not “pristine”? And let’s suppose he does release them. Obviously they would be of a criminal nature.. why scrap 3000 “hi, how has your day been? happy birthday”. And the DNC knows it. What are they going to do, file a court injunction to prevent him from releasing 3000 emails that don’t exist? Or after the release – assuming they would have her indicted for treason and such – she’s going to say what – THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE MISSING 3000 EMAILS?
imo, the DWS promotion was just a reassurance of a pardon if Hellery is elected.
This only gets better.
Thank you Mr Mackey for this valuable contibution to the state of things.
sure – wikileaks does have info that would put Hellery in prison! That is, in any country on the planet except the US where wallstreet crime actually pays. Say, isn’t she backed by a whole lot of wealthy thieving thugish money hording criminal wallstreet types? What did the US do, suspend RICO?
Continued from below:
In speaking to the fact as to whether Julian Assange has been formally “charged”under Swedish law, you have repeatedly failed to provide the necessary distinctions between Swedish and US criminal procedure that would allow for a proper understanding of the legal basis upon which Swedish authorities first issued, and then repeatedly defended in a court of law, a detention warrant for Julian Assange. Without an understanding of Swedish law, the average American reader will be predisposed to conclude that the absence of formal “charges” is suggestive of “a lower degree of suspicion” than actually exists; this is due to substantial differences in principles of law and legal procedures that exist between the two countries. In order to issue a detention warrant under Swedish law, a prosecutor must be able to demonstrate to a court a significantly higher level of cause for detaining a suspect than that required of a district attorney under American law.
In Sweden, there are three distinct degrees of suspicion: (1) reasonable suspicion, (2) probable cause, and (3) sufficient reason beyond reasonable doubt. In Assange’s case, the prosecutor was forced to conclude, and the court has repeatedly confirmed, that the evidence against Assange required a finding of probable cause. Sweden follows the principle of legality, also called the principle of compulsory prosecution. This means that the prosecution authority is legally bound to prosecute a criminal offense that would come to its attention if the evidence warranted a finding of probable cause. Therefore, the decision to issue a detention warrant against Assange was neither capricious, arbitrary, or politically motivated. Prior to any formal charges being brought against Assange by the Swedish prosecutor, Assange, and/or his defense attorney, have the legal right to participate in a finding of fact by undertaking investigative measures/acts in their own right, and to also request that special acts of investigation be conducted by the prosecutor on behalf of the defendant; the cost of which will be borne by the public authority itself. This entire phase of preliminary investigation is subject to judicial review; thus it is incumbent on the prosecutor to consistently demonstrate objectivity when weighing any request by the defense during the entire investigative phase of the proceedings.
Yet with all of your alleged knowledge of Swedish law, you somehow failed to mention the foregoing facts for clarity sake. Again, “The slickest way in the world to lie is to tell the right amount of truth at the right time-and then shut up.”
“Therefore, the decision to issue a detention warrant against Assange was neither capricious, arbitrary, or politically motivated”
No evidence has been tested, only submitted. Do you understand this important distinction? This is why every respectable legal system makes use of *independent judicial officers, as opposed to a prosecutor with an axe to grind. You see, an independent judicial officer looks at things like broken condoms devoid of human DNA that are presented as evidence and calls bullshit on such evidence so the State doesn’t waste resources on vexatious claims.
How you can establish probable cause from this only reveals your political motivations.
So? Assange is a computer hacker and justice advocate, he isn’t a journalist.
What the HELL is the point of all this information and exposure if those who commit the criminal acts and betrayals remain in power and untouchable? Greenwald did incredible work on exposing the NSA violations with Edward Snowden and what happened with THAT? We had CISA provisions pass under the radar last December and the US government continues to advance and pass legislation undermining civil liberties, right to privacy, freedom of speech…
Don’t do this – Assange is taking on power in a real way and I really could give a rat’s butt if it doesn’t engage the rules of polite engagement. We are standing on the edge of the abyss and my admiration and applause goes to anyone who actually tries to challenge it in a real way rather than just talk about it. GO JULLIAN.
Or, it could be this:
1992: The Blackstone Group, at that time the wealthiest private equity firm (private bank) in the world, would provide presidential candidate, Bill Clinton, with free office space to solicit campaign donations. (Blackstone Group was founded by David Rockefeller protégé, Peter G. Peterson, with Rockefeller family seed money.)
1993: In response to a request from the JP Morgan Bank, the Group of 30 (lobbyists for the central bankers founded by a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation in 1978) publishes a paper promoting the widespread adoption of credit derivatives, with the caveat that “legal risk” should be removed. (Members of the G30 include Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner, whose first position after college was with Kissinger Associates, founded by Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller’s right-hand man.)
1993: Mortgage Bankers Association publishes a paper outlining the structure and concept of MERS, or Mortgage Electronic Registry System, a necessity for rapid mortgage securitizations (credit derivatives) and shuffling home loans between lenders so that homeowners couldn’t find the actual owner.
1993: The SEC — under Clinton — will drop the requirement for investment firms to report on the identity of the major shareholders. (This is to obscure the ownership — if you don’t know who the owners are, you won’t know who owns everything.)
Next, President Clinton’s aiding and abetting the bankers:
Clinton will sign NAFTA (actually version 2.0, after LBJ’s Border Industrialization Program) which includes a clause to allow for the foreign ownership of Mexican banks — previously only allowed to be Mexican-owned.
Within one year 90% of Mexican banks are foreign owned, principally by US banks.
Next, Clinton will sign the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act, allowing for full interstate banking — a major step in the cartel formation.
Next up, Clinton signs the Telecommunications Act of 1996, allowing for the consolidation of corporate media and reconstitution of AT&T into one entity.
The Investment Company Act of 1996 is signed into law, allowing for unlimited number of investors per hedge fund or similar funds. The combination of the potential for an unlimited number of credit default swaps, and an unlimited number of commodity futures purchases, and an unlimited number of investors per fund, allows for ultra-speculation.
Next the Big Three: the REIT Modernization Act, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act — these together will set the stage for the greatest transfer of wealth in human history, the global economic meltdown (and kill the New Deal entirely).
1997: Years after this date, investigative gumshoe reporter, Greg Palast, would uncover a secret 1997 memorandum between Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, urging for the inclusion of the “credit derivatives-acceptance clause” in the WTO’s Financial Services Agreement (so that the various governmental signatories around the world would accept Wall Street’s fantasy finance Ponzi scheme).
In 2003, with the influence of Peter G. Peterson (Blackstone Group, Peterson Institute, etc.), Timothy Geithner would be appointed chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, essentially the (Wall Street) control element of the Federal Reserve.
When long-time advisor, Prof. Robert Shiller (“Irrational Exuberance”), advised the new chairman that it might be sensible to program into their mortgage models the possibility of dropping mortgage prices, Chairman Geithner promptly replaced Prof. Shiller with Catherine Mann from the Peterson Institute (founded by Peter G. Peterson of Blackstone Group and David Rockefeller).
The legal advisors in the creation of the Mortgage Electronic Registry System — or MERS — were the attorneys at Covington & Burling, the same law firm from which Eric Holder, President Obama’s choice for attorney general to contain the banker meltdown, came from.
So Covington & Burling, which has long enjoyed a strategic partnership with Kissinger Associates, was the legal advisor of record, and their man, Eric Holder, was appointed by the president to insure no bankers were prosecuted, and this entire criminal conspiracy would not be exposed. President Obama also appointed Judith (“Jami”) Miscik, then president and vice-chair of Kissinger Associates, to his Intelligence Advisory Board.
And the then CEO of Fannie Mae, the fellow who promoted the large-scale adoption of mortgage securitizations, James Johnson, had a longstanding relationship with David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger; Johnson was the business contact for the American Friends of Bilderberg, Inc. (directors: David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Richard Perle, et al.).
It turns out that MERS is completely illegal from the get-go; they were and are often listed as the mortgagee, and sued on various foreclosures (really, they were all fraudclosures) even though they weren’t a party to the original contract — which violates basic contract law, the principle of privity.
Also, due to the US Supreme Court decision in 1873 (Carpenter v. Longan), the mortgage or deed of title, and the note, cannot be separated, which indeed they were on every occasion.
Add to those illegalities the fact that the mortgages and notes weren’t physically transferred to the trusts (REMICs) which invalidated both according to the securitization contracts (pooling and servicing agreements) and tax law!
All the mortgage securitizations — thus everything from that point on — were illegal!
All those MBSes, CDOs, and endless variants on them, were therefore not legal and those credit events which invoked credit default swaps weren’t legal, as invalid securitizations had zero worth. And certain people became billionaires and multi-billionaires based upon this deceit!
Beyond the fraudclosures (which involved massive mortgage fraud, massive securities fraud, massive false affidavit fraud, massive false court document filings fraud, massive tax fraud (invalid REMICs), massive contracts fraud, massive notary fraud) which involved the commission of millions upon millions of crimes — everything connected with those mortgage securitizations was illegal — and everything which followed had zero legal basis, and therefore was also illegal!
2013: Blackstone Group purchases 41,000 fraudclosed homes, making them the number one landlord in America, and they announce they will begin issuing rent-backed securities (credit derivatives).
Presently, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s top advisor is Cheryl Mills, on the board of directors of BlackRock, an offshoot of the Blackstone Group (Blackstone . . . . BlackRock . . . . get it?).
BlackRock is one of the Big Four investment firms which are the majority shareholders in the majority of major corporations in North America and Europe. BlackRock was the firm which oversaw the disbursement of the TARP bailout funds. (Vanguard Group, BlackRock, State Street and Fidelity or FMR LLC)
Also, it is important to note the following connections: the Blackstone Group brokered the deal selling the World Trade Center to Silverstein Properties and Westfield and that Blackstone Group held the mortgage on Building Seven, which collapsed in a suspicious manner along with the Twin Towers on 9/11/01.
Similarly, the Blackstone Group was awarded the management of the captive insurance fund after 9/11, which was used to make payouts to the families of the victims of 9/11.
And it was Peter G. Peterson (co-founder of Blackstone Group, Peterson Institute, etc.) who was appointed by President Bill Clinton as a member of Clinton’s commission “to end welfare as we know it” — an odd choice given Peterson’s long belief in the ending of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
Equally important to note that Timothy Geithner’s maternal grandfather had been an advisor to Nelson Rockefeller, while his uncle, Jonathan Moore, was a foreign policy advisor to Nelson Rockefeller when he was governor of New York, and that when the Blackstone Group went public, instead of routinely going from paying capital gains tax (as private equity firms do legally) to paying the corporate tax rate, it continued to pay the lower capital gains tax as it sold “units” instead of stock on the stock exchange – – – a most irregular (corrupt) practice!
Two highly important items which the Clintons failed at: the privatization of Social Security and the removal of the right of the individual to own a patent. The Clinton Administration had created a plan they were going to submit to congress to privatize Social Security, but the morning of their designated speech was when the Monica Lewinski scandal broke. The attempt to abrogate individual ownership of a patent was stopped by the outpouring of negative communications to congress when this became public. (This was meant to bring America closer to the WTO charter.)
After Clinton left the presidency and worked as a lobbyist for various “free trade” agreements, he continued destroying American employment. For example, the Jordan-American Free Trade Agreement allowed for multiple factories to be offshored to Jordan – – not to benefit the workers there – – but for optimal profit to the owner, who would then hire the cheapest labor (workers from Bangladesh and the Philippines) to be brought in to work those factories.
Thanks to that legislation signed into law by Clinton, the following occurred: John Paulson was able to create trash CDOs, together with Goldman Sachs, and make billions on that financial fraud. Paulson would typically purchase a credit default swap for $1.4 million against the CDO (actually buying many swaps), and the payout on that trash CDO would be $100 million. (To clarify: for each $1.4 million Credit Default Swap, the payout was $100 million — and people are still confused as to the cause of the global economic meltdown?)
Paulson was not the only one to do this by far, and not a single one of those financial fraudsters would be prosecuted.
Citigroup would sell an almost endless number of “liquidity puts” which basically guaranteed the investors’ money should their CDO go south, or lose value from the original purchase price (i.e., a zero-risk investment). Citigroup, of course, lost billions upon billions of dollars, and should have been allowed to declare bankruptcy, but instead was thoroughly bailed out by the TARP bailout funds and the Federal Reserve. (Both Robert Rubin and present Treasury Secretary Lew were with Citigroup at that time.)
During 1997 (Clinton Administration) to 2007 (Bush Administration) $23 trillion in securitized debt would be sold. During 2007 to 2009 (the global economic meltdown) US households would lose $17 trillion in assets and value, with another $6 trillion lost in Europe from those credit derivatives. ($23 trillion in securitized debt sold — $23 trillion in losses)
So, we began with the Blackstone Group in 1992, and ended in 2013 with the Blackstone Group — and along the way note the connections between the various parties and Rockefeller and Kissinger, a most interesting and obvious pattern which forms a closed circle.
References:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/larry-summers-and-the-secret-end-game-memo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogc-LRWByhY&authuser=0
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/MERS
http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/thumb/c/c3/How_MERS_Works.png/1000px-How_MERS_Works.png
http://harbingerag.com/Papers/MERS%20Report%20Exhibits%20Combined.pdf
http://www.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pdf/Flow%20Chart%20Mers%20Combined%20Whalen%20072711.pdf
https://cloudedtitlesblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/osceola-county-forensic-examination.pdf
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=5449554966990758102
Chain of Title, by David Dayen
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Portal:Fix_the_Debt
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fix_the_Debt_Leaders_and_Conflicts_of_Interest
Green Party convention featuring speakers Julian Assange, Cornell West:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/green-party-convention-2016-first-100-days-pres-jill-stein-cancel-student-debt-end-middle-east-wars/219250/
suits me.
but we still have an issue with 250,000,000 people south of the border in poverty who are probably on the starting line.
then there is the federal reserve private company in the business of printing paper and loaning it out in exchange for a lock on assets and a demand for interest payments and who nilly willy print for wallstreet criminals,
Glenn Greenwald writes:
“So that’s the Democratic Party’s approach to the 2016 election. Those who question, criticize or are perceived to impede Hillary Clinton’s smooth, entitled path to the White House are vilified as stooges, sympathizers and/or agents of Russia: Trump, WikiLeaks, …”
“There are so many levels of irony to the Democrats’ reliance on this ugly tactic. To begin with, one presidential candidate who actually has significant, questionable ties to Russia is named . . . Hillary Clinton.”
OUCH!!!
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/08/dems-tactic-of-accusing-adversaries-of-kremlin-ties-and-russia-sympathies-has-long-history-in-us/?comments=1#comments
This is how much of a moron you are: you include a link to today’s Glenn Greenwald article as if most of us don’t already know.
Fuck-Off, you little dick-sucker.
Your whiney pig of a gal-friend “~Mona~” did exactly the same below, crusty fucking asshole.
My comment was an obvious jab at Mack-Daddy – as if most of us don’t already know.
repeated links serve several purposes – ALL GOOD
1 remind those who forget
2 initiate newcomers to the content
3 add value to oldcomers who havent read everything
ps- hellery may be wallstreet’s best hoe, but she’s like the rent – too damn high.
What I feel is coming into focus is a Russian plan to have Trump elected. Perhaps Assange has been a Russian agent all along, Snowden too. Looking at all the evidence – Trump’s love of Putin, even to the point of speaking FOR Putin (Russia will not go into Ukraine) along with Snowden’s and Assange’s attacks on Hillary but not Trump – well, use Occam’s Razor. The obvious answer is likely the right answer.
“Every long-term anti-censorship activist I know in the country was not just puzzled, but deeply concerned.” — Zeynep Tufekci on the Wikileaks Turkey dump
The most unfortunate thing about this article, which has generated more than 500 mostly negative comments, is the headline emphasis on the DNC.
Would that Mackey had not made it mostly about the goddamn American election!
“Last week, a story broke amidst the coup chaos in Turkey: Wikileaks allegedly leaking ‘Erdogan Emails.’ They weren’t. Instead, the dumped files included databases revealing private information, including addresses, of almost every woman in Turkey, as well as private information on every member of a political party targeted by a bloody coup just that week, with subfiles identifying who was most active in the party. We are talking tens of millions of people exposed, indiscriminately doxed. This was not only disgraceful, it was reported uncritically in the Western media, only mentioned as ‘Wikileaks blocked in Turkey’ when the Turkey’s Internet Governing body, in a futile attempt, tried to block access. The databases were egregious violations of privacy, but the ’email’ files were also irrelevant, of no public interest, and merely a Google group of tens of thousands of people–just mundane stuff, and some spam, recipes, pleas for jobs, etc.” – ZT
https://www.facebook.com/technosociology
The DNC dump is justified and Mackey’s focus on it makes him as much of a partisan as he alleges Assange should not be. But legitimate criticism of wikileaks is possible, I’m afraid.
And the part involving Zeynep Tufekci’s response is buried, and has received shamefully little interest, considering 500+ comments from readers who allegedly care about the safety and well-being of non-Americans. Unless, as usual, it interferes with their partisan aims.
Assange’s responses to Tufekci are absolutely shameful. The appropriate response would have been to apologize. Instead you can see what Assange tried to claim, if you are honest enough to just look.
“I’ve long been critical of the AKP’s censorship practices in Turkey and will continue to speak out. But there is not a single good reason to put so many men and women in such danger of identity theft, harassment and worse — especially after the country was rocked by a bloody coup targeting this political party. I also cannot understand why the leak of such private and sensitive information has been met with such uncritical reporting during such a dangerous week.” – ZT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zeynep-tufekci/wikileaks-erdogan-emails_b_11158792.html
The “uncritical” nature of American response continues, naturally, in this comment section. Drop the hero/villain bit.
This is how much of a dick-sucking moron you are: you include a link to a HuffPo article as if most of us don’t already know.
Now you are behaving like a petulant, moronic child. It’s exceedingly common here for commenters of all ideological backgrounds to post links to other sites.
“Now”? When was this thing not a petulant, content-free idiot? Were there some earlier sensible posts I missed?
But hey, Victicious Boulingfordollarvard (formally some other sock here at the Intercept),
do you have some actual support for the wikileaks treatment of average people in Turkey?
We’d love to no. I mean know.
HuffPo is not on my regular rounds. But I’m glad to see you read it all the time Victoria Boulevard!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha.
I see you are a total moron who actually reads the Huffington Post regularly while disagreeing with it.
This is the behavior of a masochist. I recommend long sessions with the National Enquirer for you, with some People Magazine, also that Dr. Oz thing, he has some pretty good health tips. You likely need it.
Note in the following how:
everybody would rather talk about ANYTHING than the actual issue: the treatment of average people in Turkey by wikileaks
Hard to believe make the claim that your vetting of information is infallible as thousands of uncurated documents are dumped into the conversation.
Greenwald has a piece up that’s a refreshing antidote to too much that is bullshit in Mackey’s column.
This is how much of a moron you are: you include a link to today’s Glenn Greenwald article as if most of us don’t already know.
Yes, I saw your gotcha moment with Vic Perry. Then you had to go and lose it by posting inanity about his link to Huffpo.
So… the Intercept is now doing a DNC hit job on WikiLeaks and Assange? Come on! Facts are facts. If we can accept that the US Security State can see every communication from everyone, but tell the public nothing but deception, why would we be outraged at the non-redaction of an innocent parent phone conversation. Do we give in to the lowest common denominator while the 1% leverage every thread of control to literally paving a path to the destruction of human life on Earth. Intercept is showing it’s Ebay billionaire editing the truth as we all thought possible when big money operates anything. Disgusting. There is no greater evil on this planet than those who control/run this [crossout-government-crossout] corporate company store new world order. DNC SELLOUTS are everywhere!
So much for Wikileaks being a monument to the truth. Just another partisan organization.
Now that the goods on Clinton are being revealed, focused hacks of Trump and his freaky running mate Pense are definitely critical.
Assange knows as well as you should know Mr. Greenwald that Hillary has been selected to be the next President of the United States of America. Pretending that votes matter is naive and taking the fight directly to those that have hijacked our nation and undermined our democracy can only be done by exposing the corruption.
Let’ see:
” “The materials that we release are pristine,” Assange told Bill Maher on Friday. “We’re really good at this, we have a ten-year perfect record of having never got it wrong in relation to the integrity of what we’ve released.”
Still, given that WikiLeaks is now unwilling or unable to closely scrutinize all of the documents it obtains, it is not hard to imagine a scenario where something like this could occur — and that possibility itself serves to diminish the group’s credibility as a source of unvarnished truth.”
So, Assange is being attacked for the hypothetical (how probable?) case of something going wrong. On the other side we have a track record of clear important information released into the public without a negative outcome of the non redacted material. That is then what we have to weigh: one imaginary negative case against a real positive case. That’s easy mate ;-)
So far as I can see this article seems to be an hatchet job. Shouldn’t journalism be about real fact not imaginary ones? Sad…still protecting the powerful…
The following recent tweet from Wikileaks is conspicuously absent from this article:
Hillary Clinton took cash from, was director of, company that did deals with ISIS
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/29/paris-strikes-astonishing-partnership-secret-isis-sponsor-ties-hillary-clinton/ … more docs: https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=lafarge&exact_phrase
Can someone please grill Hillary about this treason?
Sorry, the actual Wikileaks tweet was this:
“Hillary Clinton took cash from, was director of, company that did deals with ISIS”
Trump the crying-baby-hater is of much more importance…
They lie and couch it in other things. They sure try it on other people. It is a means to get an end they desire, implosion, but they never seek just one benefit. Interpretation! Trust. I take journalistic integrity seriously, always have.
I would have been more receptive to the article if you had expressed support for WikiLeaks’ mission of exposing corruption while criticizing its means, rather than taking issue with its vendetta against Hillary.
There are some good points in here about how Assange should redact personal information about private citizens, which I completely agree with — but I couldn’t be happier he released the DNC emails unredacted, and if Assange is on a direct crusade against Hillary, I say full speed ahead, even if we have to suffer Trump becoming president. Mr. Mackey, you don’t belong here; The Intercept was founded to produce adversarial journalism and you’re flying in the face of that. Go back to working for the establishment.
‘Suffer’ Trump becoming president?
An impossible proposition, delivered in a very curious format.
It appears some malware has changed the link for my Intercept bookmark to one for Daily Kos.
I know, I had the same problem. Once I eliminated “April fools day” for this ridiculous article, I realized it had to be malware.
Did somebody hack The Intercept. How did this POS article get posted?
I am disappointed that Intercept would have you as a contributor because you sound like Hillary surrogate. The fact that Assange has been pretty much locked up, his life in danger and all for speaking the truth should make you stop and think before writing such stupid ( in my opinion) text. If you are not aware that we live in the era where officials DO NOT care about lives of anyone who opposes them, you are a fool. Im not GOP voter and never will be, but Clintons are the cancer of American society.
Spot on! I originality thought this website would be outstanding because of the Snowden link….but they are just another source of agenda driven media…losers
Julian Assange like Trump has a problem with women… he should go home and deal with his rape charges and stop meddling in the US election.
you could say the same of Hellery Clinton for meddling in world affairs.
Assange and Wikileaks provided a huge public service in providing documentation of the venality and corruption of the DNC. We Sanders supporters were dismissed as “conspiracy theorists” and all other kinds of nastiness that now cannot be denied.
Thank you Wikileaks.
In the meantime, Hillary Clinton keeps piling up the ways she says “fuck you” to progressives. She’s explicitly embraced Bush-era neocons, propagated base neo-McCarthyite smears about supposed Kremlin control of her critics, and courted Henry Kissinger. That’s after picking as her running mate a man who supports the Hyde Amendment (prohibiting Medicaid from paying for poor women’s abortions) and not permitting Nina Turner — an African-American Sanders aid — to take the stage at the convention.
Many of us are going to tell her to fuck off in return.
…and vote for the only candidate that can keep that Royal Bitch out of office:
TRUMP
well you know what they (will) say, a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.
So instead of voting for a guy who has been a punchline for a quarter century except amongst knuckleheads who actually admire rich assholes, I will vote for someone whose policies I largely agree with.
Yup, I’ll vote for Donald Trump right around the time David Duke denounces racist policies and attitudes that cause cops to kill lots of black people with near impunity.
Bill Clinton, has a problem with women….he should be barred from the Oval Office and deal with his assault charges and stop meddling in the US election
signed the following seven victims
Paula Jones: A former Arkansas state employee, Jones sued Bill Clinton in 1994 for sexual harassment. Jones claims that in 1991 then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton propositioned and exposed himself to her in a Little Rock hotel. Clinton eventually settled with Jones out of court for $850,000, but never admitted to any wrongdoing.
Juanita Broaddrick: Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator, alleges that Bill Clinton, who was running for Arkansas governor at the time, raped her in an Arkansas hotel room in the spring of 1978.
Kathleen Willey: Willey was a White House volunteer aide who, in March of 1998, alleged on the TV news program 60 Minutes that Bill Clinton had sexually assaulted her during his first term as President.
Eileen Wellstone: Wellstone, an English woman, alleges that Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near Oxford University where Clinton was a student in 1969.
Carolyn Moffet: Moffet was a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met Governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and was invited to his hotel room. Moffet alleges that she fled the hotel room after Clinton demanded she perform sex acts on him.
Elizabeth Ward Gracen: A Miss Arkansas who would go on to win the Miss America contest in 1982, Gracen alleges that she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won the Miss Arkansas competition.
Becky Brown: Becky Brown was Chelsea Clinton’s nanny. L.D. Brown, an Arkansas State Trooper and Becky’s husband, claims that Clinton attempted to seduce her in while the two were in governor’s mansion.
Helen Dowdy: Dowdy, the wife of one of Hillary’s cousins, alleges that in 1986 Bill Clinton groped her on the dance floor of a wedding.
Cristy Zercher: Zercher was a flight attendant aboard Clinton’s campaign jet from 1991-1992. Zercher told the Star magazine that Clinton groped her for over 40 minutes
And Monica Lewinsky’s dress, aka State’s Exhibit A
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/354847-wikileaks-dnc-leaks-russia/
Interesting conversation with Julian Assange on the DNC/Hillary email leaks; and yes, coverage of Hillary Clinton’s record as Secretary of State, Congressmember, and Democractic primary candidate is appropriate in an election season, particularly since she’s running on ‘experience’. Her ties to Saudi Arabia and Israel, her Clinton Foundation pay-to-play kickback scandals, her pro-Cold War foreign policy agenda – yes, these are important issues that reveal a lot about what kind of president she’d be – a bloodthirsty warmonger in the GW Bush mold.
It’s a factual narrative, but problematic for neoliberal pundits who want to improve Hillary Clinton’s chances for the fall election. Such pundits are marketers first, journalists second; they are not creating independent news stories that they then try to promote; they are using their non-independent PR pieces in order to promote something else entirely.
That’s the difference between marketing and journalism; marketers invent stories and then hire “journalists” to write those stories for them, and that in a nutshell is the neoliberal corporate media world: controlled by a handful of powerful interests, and managed by compliant editors who orchestrate stories using even more compliant content producers, aka, “journalists.”
God forbid that journalists would be turned loose without tight editorial control; this whole system is about controlling the narrative from the top down, certainly not about giving free reign to independent factual reporting.
Thanks photosymbiosis…
Well said.
nice catch.
lol. if Comey refuses to prosecute the evidence, Julian would have to have conclusive evidence that hellery is funding ISIS – and that may not even work.
I agree with you one hundred per cent! Thank you.
I plead with you (Intercept), please don’t turn into a Huffington Post.
Sounds like Mackey is just another Clinton sheep…baaaahhhhh
We’ve Devoured a Year’s Worth of Natural Resources in Just Seven Months
George Dvorsky
[“Today is Earth Overshoot Day—the day when humanity has consumed more natural resources than the planet is able to generate in a single calendar year. Disturbingly, this date is happening earlier with each passing year….”]
[…”“We use more ecological resources and services than nature can regenerate through overfishing, overharvesting forests and emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than forests can sequester,” notes GFN at its website.
Last year, Earth Overshoot Day—also known as Ecological Debt Day—was August 13. In 2014, it was August 19. The first Earth Overshoot Day was December 19, 1987. It’s happening earlier and earlier each year, so we’re clearly heading in the wrong direction…”]
More @ http://gizmodo.com/we-ve-devoured-a-year-s-worth-of-natural-resources-in-j-1784968887
THERE IT IS
The aliens were all set to conquer the planet. They figured there would be a lot of resistance and it would take a decade or more. However they decided to take the easier and smart route, letting humans destroy themselves to the point that they can return as welcome saviors.
If 7 billion people gobble up 1 year of resources in 7 months, how many people gobble up 1 year of resources in 1 year?
Given the rate of acceleration of diminishing resources and increasing population, how many months will it be before the aliens are welcomed?
lol…
well since I don’t believe in aliens..
OT;Anyone notice the corporate olympic swimmers,one Australian,and one American,diss China and Russia respectively?
Good little nazis.
i dont even watch the olympics any more, except curling. Olympics is nothing more than a colliseum of performing slaves since childhood. What an abomination.
Yes, and did anyone notice how NBC is pimping womens beach volleyball purely for ratings.
Pardon me please if I’m just a bit off topic:-
Recently The Intercept published a splendid rogues’ gallery of several members of the altogether dildo Brazilian government. Can I please implore TI to do counterpart pieces featuring all of (1) Hillary Clinton’s, and (2) Donald Trump’s most prominent useful idiots — both in terms of their respective campaigns and, by extension therefrom, the MSM. Of course, re: HRC, I have in mind folks like Deborah Wasserman Schultz, Ben Jealous, Robert Reich, Bill Clinton, Rebecca Traister, Bill Clinton, and even good old Bernie come to that. As for DT, I know so little, so crave enlightenment.
#1 on Hillary’s List of Useful Dildos:
ROBERT “Mack-Daddy” MACKEY
Congratulations!!!
On point. This whole piece is pretty troubling. I’m starting to think that these reporters at the intercept care less about the truth and more about how things affect their personal interests. This was a very disturbing piece to read.
Thieves used to use guns to rob people. Now they use a criminal currency system, monetisation schemes, lawyers and politicians (very bad lawyers).
The united states of america is run by criminals.
Here’s a fascinating take on the future of journalism – pointing to a future in which artificial intelligence programs will entirely replace human social media aggregators and commentators: John Oliver Tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2_wSsDwkQ
Let’s say one wants to promote a particular viewpoint; all you have to do is tell the AI what you want, and it trolls through all social media posts to find those that match the desired viewpoint, arranges them into a story format, and voila, you have your storyline, neatly packaged into a consumable format.
In this wonderful scenario, media owners will be able to do away with journalists entirely. Want to run a series of stories on how Russia is intervening in U.S. elections on behalf of Donald Trump? Give it to the AI, it’ll collate the appropriate social media posts and even write the copy to go along with them. All the media owner/editor has to do is come up with the storyline; then the AI will go and find evidence (social media twaddle) that supports that storyline.
Think of the benefits – no messy human factor (although many so-called journalists have made careers out of obsequious pandering to media owners, sometimes even they go off-message), vastly reduced long-term costs after the initial software investment, and complete top-down control of the media narrative.
Brave New World, isn’t it?
P.S. 2015 status of the online media:
http://relevance.com/will-artificial-intelligence-kill-content-marketing/
Ever wonder just how many of the media figures are actually real people? This would explain a lot. . .
there we go. T2 wasnt science fiction after all.
I’m sorry Alvin Toffler passed recently as it would be interesting on his take of the present day world. His Future Shock from the early ’80’s I believe is becoming relevant.
// __ Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Journalism (HBO)
youtube.com/watch?v=bq2_wSsDwkQ
~
At times I find Oliver analogies way too hyperbolic and more than half way off.
Saying that there is no good journalism becuase people don’t want to pay for it is somewhere between saying that people are at fault for plane crashes because they buy cheap tickets from cheap airlines and saying that teachers/parents are -fully- responsible for the outcome of their pupils/behavior of their teenager children.
That guy telling the journo “eff you” was a bit much. The actual act and in the particular context, yet, most “owners” may mean worse and either not say anything or use smiles and language …
I wonder how are the meetings of TheIntercept’s “ethical journos” with their sugar daddy
RCL
Yep…blame the messenger. Can’t argue any of the FACTS uncovered, so just smear the messenger. Typical Alinsky tactics. FYI- The world is catching on to the propaganda machine…….LOL
“Assange, despite his claims to scientific journalism, emphasized to me that his mission is to expose injustice, not to provide an even-handed record of events.”
Anyone who thinks ANY journalist is some kind of ‘scientist’ – and for the Intercept to give this credence of all sites – does not understand journalism. No journalist on earth ‘gives an even-handed record of events.’ No one thinks Wikileaks was ever about that. They are digging up facts that they want to pursue – that is actual journalism.
Oh Robert there you go again with your liberal bias. I think anybody with half a brain and common sense knows that Wikileakes goes after anybody regardless of political affiliation. If Trump did half the stuff Hilary has already done the press would bury him worse than they already have! Please remove yourself from the left right paradigm the truth has no political affiliation and if a Republican or Democrat is caught in a criminal scandal they should be called out for it!
Mr Mackey,
Whatever people may say here, I still wish to inform you that I am very sad to see you go. Your reproduction of tweets was terrific, and your own views, although idiotic, were always sincere. But I guess you have a great future with the Clinton Foundation, so goodbye and take care. You can always look back with immense pride at this great article of yours that got in four hundred comments.
BTW, did you read any of the comments?
Hasta la vista, M’key …
“Ecuador govt under serious pressure to censor Assange over #DNCLeak & criticism of Clinton” — see 2 x Ecuador press links @ Wikileaks on Twitter, in last hour.
We know very little about the kind of conditions Assange is living and working under. Have attempts been made to drug or poison him, who tests his food/drink?
The “pressure” appears to be from an op-ed published in an Ecuadorian newspaper. The argument is that asylees have obligations, and so forth. If Ecuador did put restrictions around what Assange is doing or revoked his asylum, the same newspaper would immediately use it as evidence of the Ecuadorian government’s authoritarianism.
It’s ridiculous because I’m quite sure Wikileaks can operate independently of what Assange is or isn’t allowed to do.
“I’m quite sure Wikileaks can operate independently of what Assange is or isn’t allowed to do.”
How, please elaborate.
What are Hellery Warmonster and Barack Obama afraid of, transparency?
Under pressure from who? The CIA, The MI6, The Mossad or the good ols u.s.a.??
This website is full of shit. Get over your fucking selves. Assange is one of the only people in this world with any balls and total respect to the Ecuadorians for protecting him. Fuck you all at The Intercept, go get Glenn to whine about Diane Feinstein or something, help change the world, you crazy rebels.
Sure, blame wikileaks for bringing Hillary down by exposing the truth. There is a job waiting for Mackey helping Wasserman Schultz with the campaign.
That is his job now…
What an astonishing nothingburger Mr. Mackey dishes here. What is his evidence that Assange is waging a “war on Hillary Clinton”? (1) A quote from an interview in which Assange compares both Trump and Clinton to infectious diseases, (2) the release of the DNC emails, (3) Assange says is likes “crushing bastards,” is not, Mackey says, “dispassionate.”
Taking these quickly,
1) The two-diseases remark undermines rather that supporting Mackey’s thesis. Instead of trashing Hillary or boosting Trump when given his chance to hold forth on Democracy Now! about the candidates, Assange said only, in effect, a pox on both their houses. Dude, that’s not “war.”
2) The DNC emails are disadvantageous to Clinton but they have also proved authentically newsworthy (many outlets, including the Intercept, have run stories on their content). What would have been Wikileaks’ excuse for _not_ releasing them?
3) Assange is non-neutral, motivated by a passion to expose wicked shit. So what? So is Glenn Greenwald, who founded the Intercept. So is any investigative journalist.
If Mackey could show that Wikileaks was _selectively_ exposing wicked shit, e.g., had received damning Trump or RNC information and withheld it to skew the contest, he would have something and I would join him in criticizing Assange. He doesn’t allege, must less show, that — nobody has — so, he has nothing. Nor can Wikileaks be accused of troubling themselves to hack the DNC but not bothering Trump, because Wikileaks didn’t hack the DNC. Wikileaks doesn’t hack anybody: they receive leaks from third party sources and edit and publish them. They can’t publish what they don’t have.
The redaction question is legitimate but has nothing to do with a “war on Hillary Clinton.”
Mackey appears to me to be assuming that anybody who reveals anything that disadvantages Clinton, even if it’s accurate and newsworthy, is “waging war” upon her. That’s false on its face. Where’s that dispassionate reporting, Mr. Mackey?
For a while it’s been apparent that The Intercept has hired a establishment liberal in Mr. Mackey. The final evidence of that are his quite standard anti-Wikileaks narratives (that it puts people in danger and so forth.)
“And how little credibility would the sheepish official have in asserting that “all of the rest of the emails are true, but just not the one paragraph or email that makes me look bad?”
If it’s Trump or Clinton, it would wash off their backs like shit off greasy ducks. If Wikileaks published a lie about either one of them, it would get lost in all the lies they themselves tell. We live in an age where privacy does not exist, if we live in cities and use technology. Propaganda of all types abound. It is up to us to separate reality from fantasy.
Could you illuminate Trumps lies?I always see this claim,but no examples.
We have hundreds of her lies,btw.
Are opinions lies?
Here are 101 examples:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien
“Are opinions lies?”
If they are not stated as such, then yes. Trump does have a bad habit of treating Fox News as journalism.
Hey Mackey,
Do you honestly believe that you will be able to dodge the Draft that your DNC Jezebel of AIPAC will enforce? Do you? Think again…
Your smug repudiation of Truth to citizens of the world by dissing Julian Assange makes permanent the blood stains on your hands. It is not just the American election here…
It is the world balance, world populace, world environment, and world peace that you flippantly ignore because of some kind of authority you revel in as a journalist. You are an enemy of state, Truth, peace, justice, and what is worse, you cancel out your editorials about Palestine and Palestinians with your hypocrisy. You and your comrade Mattitude Schwartz can go take a hike, drop off the deep end, and disappear with all the rest of MSM truckloads of lies and manipulation. Because of you I am dissing TI…
….and you
FAIL
with an overwhelming rebuke. Grind you ax at the pathetic NYT …perhaps they welcome you back by saying “Well done”.
Thank you Sparrow for your comment. Hillary has been a destabilizing force in all regions of the world, and whatever in going on in the middle east now is part of her brain child, period.
@ olumbaz
You are welcome and thank you for yours. I am so sick of American opinionated selfishness, arrogance, corruption, tyranny, murder, destruction, and connection with Israel without ever seeing the hypocrisy they so comfortably slouch in. And I am quite disturbed at Snowden’s rebuke to Assange.
68 “status”:”hold” messages so far (383 published) and this is not a form of censorship, but “responsible truth management” by “ethical journos” so what should we expect from presstitutes?
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/theintercept-20160806-accusing-wikileaks-bias-beside-point-2/
RCL
There could be several reasons to ‘hold’ items before blindly posting to a site, especially this site.
For example, TI might be worried that a potential leaker may just post a link to sensitive material on their own blog. This could open up TI to legal action for the government.
However, creating a process such as the one you describe would afford them some legal protection in the fact they attempted to mitigate indiscriminate posting. They acted within the reasonable person standard as to safeguard dumping of classified information.
There are legitimate and illegitimate types of classified information. But it takes a responsible person or journalist to review such material and determine if what is to be released constitutes to be a value of public interest.
And since this site is known for releasing items that is considered classified by the USG, they have a duty to mitigate the potential of someone indiscriminately dumping actual legitimate classified information.
Liked your blog. Have it booked marked. Thanks
A second reason to hold up postings to the site would be to prevent tampering with the links or to validate the links.
Clicking on links is dangerous. We assume since a user posts a link to this site, it is harmless. But what if the user is government employee dispensing malware and posing as a commenter?
The post a seemingly harmless link. For example, let’s say your friend Mona is really a government employee and wants to install malware on your PC. She poses as GG commenter and makes a statement and provides her ‘evidence’ with a link. But that link goes to a website and at the same time downloads a government Trojan to your PC.
Now, she’s happy with herself because she successfully infected your computer with a malware.
Love’s Labour Lost — I reckon two of those comments caught up in the Stau are likely my own, posted on Saturday and yesterday. Both offered links to items on YouTube — (1) a 13 mins. telephone/radio interview of George Galloway w/ Assange posted a month ago on July 8 in which they discuss the so-called Chilcott Report re: the Iraq war and the issue of its “political lethality” in the UK; and (2) an excellent 44 mins. tv documentary, “Sex, Lies & Julian Assange”, which on the basis of primary materials, as it were, makes an absolute mockery of the allegations brought against him in Sweden. Both items highly recommended — do check out @ YouTube.
I knew people like you would never answer that very simple, basic (Yes or No + optionally substantiate) question and start instead tossing adjectives around.
Wait, are you now trying to recycle that kind of “they are ‘only’ following orders” Nazi defense?
“Some” of what Nazis did was not only “benign”, but good. They baned tobacco (must probably would have junk food and soda, as well), they were very open and explicit about their b#llsh!t (even about the number of “terrorists” (10) they would kill if those would kill one of their own), they were “democratically elected” through a direct vote, they were not primarily abusive or as you would say they were “irresponsible”, not “free”, not “brave” … while “spreading democracy” (instead of invading Afghanistan, Haiti and Iraq they went head on against Britain, Russia and France), their genocidal ratio during WWII was (1/8) compared to the U.S. military’s and their allies’ in their current freedom-loving WMD wars, they didn’t have an NSA spying on the whole world …
Even funny mustache, braune Scheiße guy had “some” not only “benign”, but good qualities. He loved his dog to the point of wondering why it would go away when his wife appeared in his room.
Mona, how different are the “responsible” “gentlemen agreements” of Snowden and Greenwald to those of corrupt bankers and politicians “legally” protecting each other? I know, I know as a “targeted individual” I am “mentally damaged” so I can’t understand “this is not the same” …
Why is Glenn Greenwald (whatever he means) protecting bad “private” individuals in “marginalized communities”? What exactly makes him believe he has the right to stand in the way of truth? Why is Glenn Greenwald using his rhetorical prowess to twist things around so that people, due to “privacy protections”, don’t have the right to know how their illusions about their privacy is routinely abused? Do you see Glenn is not only protecting “innocent” individuals, but pontificating about such matters in very general, philosophical ways so that it is virtually impossible to connect the dots leading to the “innocent” perpetrators and collaborators of those actions?
When the yes men have crashed and organized meetings posing as officials of U.S. agencies (even within their own premises!), they have been accused of, ready?: “lying”, not respecting “privacy”, of being “unmoral”, of “breaking the law”, of not being respectful of the sentiments of people affected by U.S. corporations/USG, … The Yes men are definitely not “ethical journalists” ((tm) Glenn Greenwald). Heck! They aren’t even journos, but just two comedians and they have been way more successful at not only getting corrupt politicians in jail, but also at making them stop lying and b#llsh!tti!ng around and change their own policies. There is not so much of an art to it, but integrity and truly believing in your sh!t. The yes men squarely get on their faces and their b#llsh!t in very personal ways! They are not into “redacting” the truth, adjective fencing matches and argumentative elitist b@llsh!t. Even dirt poor, “marginalized” people in remote places in India are elated about the Yes men.
Now, ask the parents of children who fear playing outside, have nightmares about and draw drones as “natural” part of their childhood and all those apparently not “innocent” people being “freedom-lovingly” killed with the help of the NSA if they understand Glenn’s “innocence”, “ethical journalism” or his legalistic linguistic carpentry (supposedly defending some high sounding concepts presumably relating to liberté, égalité, fraternité), or if they find “ethical” that the names of the agents behind those actions should be protected because Snowden had a couple beers with their buddies (I very much doubt he had more than two, since he kept his own thoughts and feelings to himself not even sharing them with his own live-in girlfriend); when, as John Oliver masterfully tried to explain to them, people’s minds are so brainwashed and fenced by Western media that they had no idea who Snowden was, and, those who didv parroted the “official” USG propaganda portraying it as an ethical breach thing!?! Even congress reps publicly admitted that they didn’t even know what “N-S-A” stood for!
Here NSA employees are even boastfully talking about torture as part of a “job description”:
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/16/nsa-closely-involved-in-guantanamo-interrogations-documents-show/
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2830617/2003-10-29-SIDToday-Can-You-Handle-the-Truth-or.pdf
yet, theintercept chooses to “redact” the name of that not so “low ranking”, “innocent” Lt. Col.
Thenintercept’s “ethical journalists” as part of their own self-serving philosophies, ironically indeed, criticizes USG, APA, … for double moral standards and profusely participates in smear campaigns against Assange.
Give Assange and all of us a break, pleeze!
truth and peace and love,
RCL
$ date
Mon Aug 8 10:38:43 EDT 2016
Thanks for the work you’re doing, but please don’t allow a personal snub to inspire you to focus on Assange’s motives rather than the content of the leaks. He is a man, not a god–he has a personality and its faults like any human. Humans are rarely at their most likable when under stress. Please take any sensitivity to criticism on his part with a grain of salt and focus instead on the trove of information he has provided journalists. We need alternative voices to counter the establishment media narrative of Russian hackers and personal revenge, which are intended to distract the public from the content of the DNC emails themselves. Liking Assange is not important. What is important is making sure that everyday Americans come to read evidence of the subversion of our democratic process and the establishment’s control over mainstream media. We need articles to post on social media to make the alternative voices of independent investigative journalists heard, and I can’t in good conscience repost this one, as it only helps the establishment distract from the validity of the DNC emails.
Well, Mr. Mackey, the New York Times agrees with you. That being true, if I were you, I would hang my head in shame.
I just love the fact that today, Monday, the righteous & holy Amy Goodman has chosen to devote more than half of her http://www.democracynow.org show not to the aspersions that this ex-NYT louse Robert Mackey, an alien @ The Intercept, cast over the weekend upon Julian Assange but, instead, to repro’ing what Assange had to say direct via video-link yesterday to all those righteous & holy US folk gathered at the Greens’ Convention in Houston. The bloke shows himself to be yet once again a true luminary and visionary — a prophet, even — just as I asserted somewhere lower down this thread. And I trust that #JillNotHill will one day before too long think fit to award him honorary US citizenship for all he is doing for America — also, come to that, a presidential medal. Readers, do click on today’s Democracy Now, about 25 mins in.
>”… a prophet, even —”
You’re in over your head backwards, toidiY sselesU.
*I’m with you mostly on ‘luminary’ and perhaps, even, ‘visionary’ … but, alas, even as he hath shone the bright light of transparency on the weak and powerful alike, he hath come to the town of the blind!
O Brother! Not every sea hath pearls/not every branch will bloom, nor will the nightingale of oneness sing thereon. Even young Edward knows one of the key to knowledge is … moderation in all things.
Amen.
@ bahhummingbug
Yes indeed. The key to knowledge is the question since every man seems to have his own. But let’s not receive truth from a imprisoned whistleblower, albeit free I might add…to wake up the drunken masses from their overly fat extorted paychecks and their tele tubbies. Yes I guess “moderation” is for addicts that can’t take the truth even when it saves their need for their addiction. Never mind what it is like to be in prison for having the audacity and conviction to be concerned for others and the planet. Too bad your comfort is showing…Selah
@ broken Sparrow
eh!? My “Comfort”!?
I grew up in hell homeboy (my mommy has more attitude than you.)! I’ve been to jail (and the ‘brig’) many times (once for 37 days) starting around the age of 13, but have avoided “prison” ( & felony convictions, knock on wood.) with the last stint in a jail so foul birds dropped dead just flying over it!
Nevertheless, I’m in a generous mood and I will grant you a boon:
(Baha’u’llah, Tablets of Baha’u’llah, p. 36)
By calling me “broken Sparrow” says a lot about you. Did I pervert your name? And by rebuking the justice toidY sselesU speaks of, clearly demonstrates that you don’t know true justice nor do you favor it…except maybe in “moderation” however watered down it may be by that time.
How is Assange too moderate in releasing data when TI releases data every day? Could Snowden perhaps be a little jealous that Assange doesn’t go by his rules…give me a break. That’s clearly what it seems.
>”By calling me “broken Sparrow” …
I apologize if that was un-called for!? I thought you insinuated you have had a rough time in life … and impugned my supposed ‘comfort’?
*however, i will continue to believe there is no intrinsic “justice” in the mere act of releasing ‘information’. eg. releasing unredacted nuclear launch codes to ISIS, or anybody else, would probably be a bad idea, imho… it’s scary enough there even are nuclear launch codes!
@bahhummingbug
Apology accepted…
Look my rough time in life doesn’t matter and my fear of death doesn’t exist…what matters is knowing Grace when you hear it (or see it) for those who do fear death. Warnings are being given to us weak and mere mortals…to “hear” and to “heed” even when intoxicated. As you mentioned about ISIS and launch codes…the fact ISIS is a CIA/MOSSAD creation makes the codes a ridiculous fear mongering tactic that they would use otherwise. The bottom line is…are we for war or for peace? The writing is on the wall but too many self interests get in the way.
@bahummingbug
WikiLeaks CONFIRMS Hillary Sold Weapons to ISIS… Then Drops Another BOMBSHELL! Breaking News
Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/#ixzz4GlflhWnA
Re: “prophet”, cf. Assange yesterday @ the Greens’ Convention in Houston, as broadcast today on http://www.democracynow.org, wherein quite rightly he speaks of how very prescient was his book of three years ago, When Google Met Wikileaks.
This is what Mackey is trying to keep hidden from the public – as if we have no right to know the full extent of Hillary’s Neocon Zionist Warmongering:
“WikiLeaks CONFIRMS Hillary Sold Weapons to ISIS…”
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Julian, I want to mention something else. In March, you launched a searchable archive for over 30,000 emails and email attachments sent to and from Hillary Clinton’s private email server while she was secretary of state. The 50,547 pages of documents span the time from June 2010 to August 2014; 7,500 of the documents were sent by Hillary Clinton herself. The emails were made available in the form of thousands of PDFs by the U.S. State Department as the result of a Freedom of Information Act request. Why did you do this, and what’s the importance, from your perspective, of being able to create a searchable base?
JULIAN ASSANGE: Well, WikiLeaks has become the rebel library of Alexandria. It is the single most significant collection of information that doesn’t exist elsewhere, in a searchable, accessible, citable form, about how modern institutions actually behave. And it’s gone on to set people free from prison, where documents have been used in their court cases; hold the CIA accountable for renditions programs; feed into election cycles, which have resulted in the termination of, in some case—or contributed to the termination of governments, in some cases, taken the heads of intelligence agencies, ministers of defense and so on. So, you know, our civilizations can only be as good as our knowledge of what our civilisation is. We can’t possibly hope to reform that which we do not understand.
So, those Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the U.S. Department of State operates. So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention in Libya, the destruction of the Gaddafi government, which led to the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that’s there in those emails. There’s more than 1,700 emails in Hillary Clinton’s collection, that we have released, just about Libya alone.
Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/#ixzz4GkQstkY6
To be fair, we knew that Clinton approved of arms shipments to the jihadi terrorists- er, “moderate rebels” of Syria long ago, thanks to Seymour Hersh. Wikileaks does provide confirmation of these treasonous* acts. Sadly, with the media in the tank for Clinton (with a few, brave, rare exceptions), it’s unlikely to meet the light of day, and with Republicans going after her on minor crimes and non-scandals (as going after her on high crimes would risk tarring Reagan, the Bushes, McCain, Graham and Cotton, among others), it’s highly unlikely that the legislative branch will be a check or balance to this.
* I consider IS and Al-Quaida to be engaged in war against the USA. Therefore, any aiding and abetting them, be it with arms, as in Syria, or by use of force to aid them, as in Libya, is high treason. Clinton deserves either a ticket to the Hague or to FMC Carswell (the most secure US federal prison for female inmates) for this.
Robert Mackey is a DNC Neoliberal Whore.
What Does Julian Assange’s War on Hillary Clinton Say About WikiLeaks?
or, more curiously,
What Does Robert Mackey’s War on Julian Assange Say About The Intercept?
“What Does Robert Mackey’s War on Julian Assange Say About The Intercept?”
Indeed.
A few months ago Pierre Omidyar donated $100,000.00 to an anti Trump super PAC called NeverTrumpPac. His billionaire rival Peter Thiel, a Libertarian, is backing Trump. However, both billionaires are at extreme opposite ends of the ongoing legal appeal of Gawker which has been ordered by a Florida court to pay Hulk Hogan a $140,000,000.00 judgment over a sex tape. Gawker will probably go out of business if it has to pay such a sum and Omidyar has gotten involved claiming this is a First Amendment case. Thiel was outed as gay several years ago by Gawker and has been bankrolling Hogan’s law suit hoping to put Gawker out of business evidently. Omidyar, let’s remember, bought Thiel’s company – PayPal – which blockaded all of Wikileaks’ donations.
What Julian Assange’s War on Hillary Clinton Says About WikiLeaks
What does it matter compared to The Washington Post’s war on Trump? Is Mackey holding Wikileaks to a standard higher than that of America’s most prestigious and well funded media organizations?
Awwww…poor, neglected little Donny. After getting millions in free publicity from the idiotic corporate media, it’s just not enough.
Your shallow and juvenile comments here just cannot be topped – Bravo!!!
English translation? I have no argument, but I want one!
It isn’t Donnie I’m worried about. Trumpzilla can take care of himself. The things the MSM and Corporate Media are doing haven’t been seen in this country since the days of the William Randolph Hurst. The media’s veneer of professionalism and objectivity has worn off . . . it’s gone.
And it predates Trumpzilla’s campaign.
I reside in a time-zone all of 7 hours ahead of the US’s EST, and retired late yesterday evening confident in the expectation that, this Monday morning, I would surely find here in the Comments section — or perhaps even as an Update to his text — some kind of a more or less conscientious apologia [sic] posted by Robert Mackey under his own name & addressed to his umpteen critics and detractors, writing in such an aggrieved manner and in the spirit of consumer protection, here below. The fact I am now disappointed suggests to me — and very powerfully so — that here we here above in his text we are confronted by yet one more of that species of individual who, like almost all those journos who gravitate to & graduate from the Wash Post & NY Times school of ‘journalism’, arrogantly suppose that all of what they have had to scribble & publish has, epistemically speaking, the status of fiat, and is hence exempt from any sort of accountability, let alone transparency. — Won’t The Intercept please give some serious consideration to reinstating the gold standard? After all, Assange and Wikileaks are injured parties here in consequence of Mackey’s spending-spree using totally unsecured moolah. As indeed, potentially, were we as consumers of TI.
“and that possibility itself serves to diminish the group’s credibility as a source of unvarnished truth”
No it doesn’t. Someone’s reputation is not built by what they will do, but what they have done. Wikileaks has not yet been duped, so there is no reason to claim that their credibility has diminished. While they might be more constrained in their capabilities now than before, it doesn’t mean that they are less credible. You can only say that when they actually fuck up, not because you think they might.
Assange, Wikileaks and Snowden are a clear and present danger to the wallstreet corporat TPP Global Initiative.
– wallstreet moneychangers want to run their game over the planet so they put off the collapse of their fraud.
https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/354555-episode-max-keiser-949/
meanwhile, hillary’s panic’d billionaire and warmongering advisers are saying everything is just fine, except for this memo
marottaonmoney*dot*com/how-much-does-the-government-cost/
The false imprisonment of Assange using trumped up rape allegations by women possibly linked to the CIA did result in the non release of the Wikileaks cache of the Bank of America documents.
No one wants to remember this.
The Intercept is failing.
Separating Trump and Clinton is a MSM mission.
If Trump wins, Trump and Clinton and Wall Street will benefit while
the vast majority of people lose.
If Clinton wins, Clinton and Trump and Wall Street will benefit while
the vast majority of people lose.
These two greedy lying bigots and their supporters have so
much in common that it is a failure on the part of the Intercept
when your writers do not show that commonality in a
consistent manner.
It is, at best, disappointing and,
at worst, you are contributing to corruption and horror.
Nicely put, Clark.
Corruption and horror being ever prolific are the most essential concerns in these death throe days of fantastic American justice.
This misdirecting Wilileaks critique is but an Intercept flail in its own demise.
Cheers and best wishes to the prisoner Assange.
Congratulations to you and Clark for your mutual fail at reading comprehension.
Where are the Wikileaks document dumps showing what a bastard Putin is? Or is that one bastard Assange would prefer not to crush?
I’m literally stunned!
What happened to The Intercept?
Even if Robert Mackey is fired tomorrow, I’ll still be stunned, because HOW could this happen in the first place?
I feel like I did after President Obama’s first drone strike a couple weeks into his first term, when the Obamabots came flooding to the rescue with, “Hey, he’s OUR war criminal, back off and STFU!”
The only thing I can come up with, although clickbait would explain it, depressing as that theory is, is simply that another one of the good guys has been assimilated by the Bloated Oligarchs of Rape and Greed.
What a remarkably disappointing take on the great work Assange and Wikileaks have done! That you represent the notion that a possibility of forgery within a document ‘diminishes Wikileaks as a source of unvarnished truth’ is utter nonsense. Not only is there no proof that anything of the sort has occurred, but even beyond that, you appear to be setting up a ‘plausible deniability’ defense against anything at all that might be released by Wikileaks. With The Intercept leading the way, what is to prevent the Clinton’s of the world claiming that a damaging truth we’ve learned was really a mere forgery within an otherwise legitimate document? The Intercept is setting up an excuse not to believe documents that are providing critical information that we desperately need, and for which there is no other viable resource.
Frankly, I’m disgusted to see this approach coming from The Intercept. And I’m uncomfortable with Snowden’s take on this as well. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
As many below have done an adequate job of pointing out the facile, if not false, reasoning underpinning this piece, I will refrain from adding anything other than:
Because it sure doesn’t look like it to me. I’d like to think you can do better, but I guess the TI’s readership will have to wait and see if that’s true.
Your rhetorical lance hit its mark.
I’ll wager Mackey doesn’t even read comments. He’s just a punk working for masters like he did at the NYT.
Who believes the CIA doesn’t have a relationship here, too?
I don’t know if the Greenwald/Snowden “redaction” ethic is just a pose or genuine. It might be just fine if you want to retain credibility with some segment of the in-crowd. Whatever. Assange is right. Radical, unfiltered transparency of government doings, coupled with massive work stoppages, is the only peaceful way to overthrow the State, our planetary death cults.
@RobertMackey: I’ll bite. You (plural, including Matt Tait) want to suggest that Wikileaks is mis-, mal-, or nonfeasant for not verifying the authenticity–at least, the “un-doctored-ness”–of document they leak. But how could this be done, for “normally-produced” materials? I can see how one would do this for, e.g., digitally-signed documents, but not many organizations seem to be producing those as a matter of course. I note that Tait himself says, in the Lawfare post to which you point,
So enlighten me: how could Wikileaks (et al) satisfy your concerns? Note add that, what matters to me most is that the leaks are true, not who leaked them. If the Snowden revelations had been released by Daesh, that would only matter to folks who don’t know the meaning of the term ‘ad hominem’. So I am genuinely concerned with the potential for fake or doctored leaks. I’m just not seeing how, in most instances, this could be detected. Pointers to documentation appreciated.
a sincere thank you from america to mr. julian assange!…
we grew up well told how propaganda thrives elsewhere…
that our leaders always tell the truth no matter what they do…
only to find in the long run that our system lied and misled us…
delivering heartbreaking eye-openers of past brainwashing too!…
they taught us quite young to believe outlines we memorized…
still our history books missed important facts we discovered…
nowadays sly influencing drills in more means and reasons…
burying truth even deeper to keep from being uncovered!…
we live under a setup that counts on fibbing not honesty…
from big shots on down saving their own face comes first…
through slick-selling sales pitches that propel manipulation…
a false sense permeates people while real lifetime turns worse!…
we need truth in spite of our officials conditioned to ignore it…
or folks convinced to forget or bogus notions say it’s wrong…
we’ve been distracted enough with their misleading ideas…
a sincere thank you from america to mr. julian assange!…
@ Robert Mackey-WOW, great work! I found myself agreeing and disagreeing.
Assange-who cares if the use of Wikileaks has become a personal tool to bring down government conspirators. If Americans had the testicles to stop our government personnel from conspiracies against Americans and others you wouldn’t have to do it for us. This shouldn’t be your burden to bear…
These zersetzung stalkers mentally unhinge Mona — Greenwald’s former business partner.
To repeat: I have repeatedly implored you to seek professional mental health assistance, a request I repeat now. Those suffering your affliction have been known to become violent and even to kill. Numerous people who speak publicly about national security issues vis-a-vis civil liberties report having to get security involved when “Targeted Individuals” like you harass and menace them at these events.
TIs have killed people. Recently.
This is desperately serious.
Where do you live?
Killer TIs who can’t map an IP to a street address desperately want to know.
Stan…
Personally I have nothing against you or your problems; however, you go on about these z. stalkers….and you don’t see how you are one of those stalking Mona…
Please get help with this stalking of commenter’s. I as a reader find this creepy.
hillary clinton is threatening WW3 and thinks her kissin netty lover can pull out just in time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD8lIdIMRo
in other words, this mad woman is playing a game of chicken with the entire country, or planet. SHE IS TOTALLY MAD IF NOT CRIMINALLY INSANE.
Thank you very much! I think everybody should watch that video
RCL
Greenwald now tweeting about insinuations of links with Russia: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/762385464447860736
Your colleague Robert Mackey was happy to drop it into his article. Clean up your own backyard, Mr Greenwald.
It’s true Mackey’s speculation about Russians doctoring the emails is bullshit. No one at the DNC has even suggested that.
Division of Labor (and Responsibility): Greenwald gets paid to protect NSA criminals. Mackey just got paid to trash the man who would out NSA criminals if he was in possession of the incriminating evidence upon which Greenwald “professionally” squats.
is someone looking for the ip address?
Edward Snowden chose Greenwald, Poitras and Bart Gellman. He did not choose Julian Assange. Snowden has repeatedly confirmed that he’s very satisfied with the reporting of the journalists he chose.
You left out the bit about Snowden being self-satisfied, and wealthy.
Move along folks, nothing smelly about Snowden and Greenwald. Nothing at all.
That’s outrageous. Ed Snowden sacrificed the easy life of six figure salaries, working in Hawaii, and put his life and liberty at risk to tell the world’s people about the global surveillance apparatus. The odds were very high that at this point he’d be being treated no better than Chelsea Manning has been — including the torture of solitary confinement. In your deluded world you are unable to appreciate a person who has a courage that almost none of us are capable of.
He is comfortable, safe, and looking forward to large Hollywood royalties.
I said this and more in an earlier reply but The Intercept deleted the post.
He did risk his life for some weeks until Assange, man with more courage and integrity, saved his butt. The rest of your
post is just more of your bullshit.
ES is making far more dosh today than he ever could as a Stasi apparatchik.
He lives unmolested under the free protection of the FSB and looks forward to big Hollywood royalties as he continues to protect the identities of torturers. On the other side, targets are not feeling quite so comfortable.
You are full of shit Mona; you have no fucking clue how much courage it takes to carry on under the torture his fellow
patriots dish out.
Adding, however, that Glenn would not, and should not, attempt to dictate how another writer here writes. If another writer at TI has an issue with anything Mackey writes, that other writer should address it in her/his own article.
GG needs to ask some of the hosting pros in the US, many who are Russian, about the likelyhood of an errant email server in the Ukraine. I am confident that he would encounter reliable witnesses.
Hey, TI staff. If even one of you has a grain of integrity left in you, find a way to send the NSA stash to Wikileaks and go find yourself a respectable job.
What do you expect from the oligarch owned corporate establishment press?
I expect nothing more than what I see.
The New York Time’s war on Richard Nixon – what does the release of the Pentagon Papers say about the NYT agenda? Perhaps the NYT were secretly working for the Russians in 1971?
How ridiculous the media has become, in the waning days of the American Empire.
check out Keiser’s report #949
https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/354555-episode-max-keiser-949/
i have been looking for the signal of a sane selloff point. Wallstreet threatened it was Brexit. The drop on Brexit was so minimal i figured sanity is no longer in the cards. Sure ‘nuf ws would bring the DOW up on fony baloney news. But i had no idea the situation was this bad until i saw Keiser’s report. Typical their scam is raising a price simply to sell off. But if they are as criminal as i see now, – and i have very very good reason to believe so – they may raise the DOW up another 1000 before a wholesale dumpfest. The only problem – where to put all that money? YUAN says i, the traitors they are. Wallstreet is running America like a hotel if you know what i mean.
Personally, I have questioned Assange’s judgement ever since he chose to facilitate easy access to all of the hacked Sony emails and data. Those had nothing to do with injustice, or corruption, or oppression. He did it purely to titillate and to gleefully humiliate a few well-known and a bunch of not well-known individuals.
We only have his word alone that he is releasing all pertinent or important information he has access to. We have no idea if he is hiding evidence of other injustices because their exposure might go against something he wants to achieve. He revels in the exact same lack of accountability that he demonizes others for.
This isn’t a call to shoot the messenger, the DNC should be held accountable for their actions. But it is worth considering what acountability the messenger has, because as is always the case it is quite easy to be manipulated by a messenger who only chooses to deliver certain messages.
With the extortioners frightening everyone into making sure that Trump doesn’t win, what Assange is saying in the quote below is not being taken seriously enough. That is that there is difference in this election from others. Sanders, even with the DNC undermining him and the MSM trying just as hard to do the same, was able to gain way much more interest by the populace than expected, and so will the two third party candidates. This is a highly unusual opportunity we have. The “elite” are going to try like hell to hide it or destroy it in whatever ways that they can.
Yes.
This is the best and most meaningful opportunity in a long time (at least) to cast a vote that effectively means, “None of your puppets!”
The danger is that so many are irrationally terrified of Trump — and equally irrationally imagine that Clinton is somehow a “safer” choice — that they will let the opportunity pass, too frightened to seize it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scarborough-trump-nukes_us_57a1e47ae4b0693164c347d0
So, do you think this is irrational?
I agree, Kitt. It is. So why does this entire election make me so nauseous and ON-EDGE? I changed my voter registration today to the green party even though I didnt have to (I had planned on voting that way anyway and nothing would stop me from doing so this fall) as a sign of solidarity after hearing Jill Stein speak. I think it is incredibly important to not be partisan and vote for whomever is best suited for the job in November (honestly I wouldnt be surprised if things got even weirder before then). I am not sure what is going to happen but whatever it is I am hoping we as a country dont screw up again. I am not convinced we will ever get this chance again to make a difference… Then again given this circus, if we can survive another few years without blowing one another up and it is still a circus, who knows?
Trump is unpopular with Zionists while the Hell Bitch is popular,and Trump is popular with American patriots while the Hell Bitch is not popular at all.
As far as third party candidates;Irrelevant ambulance chasers.
HE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
Hillary Clinton is running the prisoner in paradise scam.
She herself needs to be charged, tried, and found guilty and do 20-life as the super-predator she is.
… that is a very fucking ordinary effort by Mr Mackay and The Intercept.
… sold out and gone all M$M
… shame :(
shoot the messenger
to blame or punish the person who tells you about something bad that has happened instead of the person who is responsible for it
The zionists can’t point fingers at themselves,it would be too honest,something impossible for serial liars.
I think it’s funny how the bluedog media, claiming to be progressive, has the gull to call Assange a partisan. This Wikileaks criticism is useful for weeding out partisan bluedogs (posing as progressives) who want to postpone democracy until after the election.
The neocons have 2 dogs in this fight: “cholera or gonorrhea”
Assange is an Australian intent on a better world.A very good ambition,but not being an American,he has no skin in our game of Zionist thrones,and his calling the 2 different diseases,is perfectionist hyperbole.
The neolibcons hate Trump,and that hate is printed every day by the Zionists who control the horizontal and vertical,which I guess is why you came up with that idiotic both are neocon.
The only way to a better world is to neuter zion down to the proportional power of its population,instead of their total domination of our national discourse,which in itself is mockery,as they are dual citizens whose promised land is not America.
The premise of this article seems to say that Assange has some sort of vendetta against Clinton or the DNC.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Assange and Wikileaks don’t control what information is submitted to them.
Thus, it’s unfair to accuse them of any sort of political bias just because they don’t have anything on Trump to release.
I feel that they are doing a service to release at times most appropriate to maximize viewership and dispense truth to the maximum number of persons.
And un-redacted is always and by definition more transparent. And unless certain assurances are given regarding the protection of information, releases should be un-redacted.
“Unwilling or unable to scrutinize”
@mackie: just because wiki leaks chooses to release un-redacted, it doesn’t necessarily mean the documents are not scrutinized first or before release. The decision to do scrutinize can be mutually exclusive of the decision to redact.
So, implying that their process is now more prone to forgers isn’t exactly true, is it?
The same can also be said for wikileaks authentication process.
It might have been more useful and less speculative had you (Mackie) requested from Assange what the authentication process actually us at wikileaks.
If there isn’t one, then it’s less speculative, right?
The secondary benefit of releasing low-level functionary names is public ostracization.
Don’t their neighbors have the right to know they are living next door to a Peeping Tom?
There is from very little to nothing to “release” on Trump. He is a very WYSIWYG (what-you-see-is-what-you-get) kind of b#llsh!tt3r. Or, no wait, mainstream Western media surely “found” something to post about him (courtesy of the NSA). Nude pictures of his wife as “double taps” after they viscerally ridiculed her “for ‘plagiarizing’ Michelle Obama’s speech”, they said:
http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-trumps-girl-on-girl-photos-from-racy-shoot-revealed/
RCL
At the risk of being Smacked Down by every hetero-sexual female commenter, I’m going to say that her pics aren’t exactly a disuasive argument against Trump for me. ;)
Are you saying at least Trump has a good taste for “something”? ;-)
I still found downright stupid and base how they viscerally picked on her for not being “American” …, because what she was doing was un-“American” as gringos say
What I found especially offensive is that she is a mother.
Doesn’t the free Western media have anything better to do than posting naked pics of Melanija Knavs and picking on Assange?
RCL
Yeah, but in truth, I’m not surprised. The whole reason for Fox News existence was due to the poling up on Republican candidates.
Not that they didn’t deserve lots of it, but this is what the Press has become in American politics. It’s all about the ratings baby.
You know, I’ll bet it doesn’t take some hoaxer too long to photo shop HRC’s face onto the other woman. Lol
Her facelift(s)hasn’t translated into that type of coverage,at least not yet,maybe a little work more around the eyes will do it.
Fox’s existence,as every serial lying MS outlet,is to protect and promote Israel.
They have even turned on Trump,which is great news,as Americans can now see their real agenda.
Fox News Agenda
Are you implying that Americans couldn’t see their agenda before or that the agenda was somehow hidden?
interesting….lol
So is it fair game to undermine Mackey since he only writes article against Republicans, showing his bias? It shouldn’t be. Mackey’s article is just wrong headed journalism. You don’t attack the messenger. All that matters is whether the message is true. Even the source doesn’t matter. Did the DNC seek to undermine Sanders’ campaign? The Dems never denied it, only deflected by attacking Assange or speculating the Russians are interfering. The only known fact is that the heads of the DNC were interfering. What do the thing the rank and file were doing? Disobeying their bosses? Only Democrats to blame here.
What Robert Mackey’s War on Donald Trump Says About The Intercept
I don’t know how Mackey can write the crap he does and keep a straight face…
I have zero problem with The Intercept debunking the lies, racism and inanities of Donald Trump. The bulk of the criticism here, from sane and decent people, is about Mackey’s attacks on Wikileaks and his strong suggestion that Assange is driven by somehow inappropriate animus toward Hillary Clinton. Standing alone, a “war” on Trump is within the site’s mission and is entirely acceptable.
Yes but a similar “war” on Clinton would also be within the site’s mission and would be entirely acceptable. So why the one-sided coverage? Hillary Clinton has just as much to hide, certainly – particularly in terms of social media campaigns, which is what Mackey claims to be covering.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html
Clinton and the DNC coordinated with a SuperPAC to set up an online astroturf PR effort called “Correct the Record.” Using paid trolls to fill social media with pro-Clinton themes – that seems like a story that is right for the Intercept – and if Mackey is their “social media expert”, why has he ignored it?
Which has happened. Indeed, Glenn has been “warring” on Clinton since his days at Salon. So have other writers here. Indeed, Lee Fang did a piece here that looked at Correct the Record.
Actually, I think Clinton has more to hide since she’s been part of the federal government in one form or another since 1992.
William loyde garrison did not seek to provide even handed reporting. There is a place in this world for the intercept (journalistic integrity is hardly par for the course, and while its honorable to be consistent in your criticism, your breath would be far better spent denouncing those sources that make dishonest reporting the status quo.) but there is also a place for uneqivicated denouncing of the ills of the world. And using what means are available to effect change is intentional and pragmatic. Assange likely sees those who donate to or work for the DNC as no less innocent as WLG saw individual slave holders. Thanks for fighting the good fight assange!
Very strange sentence for a website founded on outing the misdeeds of the powerful”
“To better understand Assange’s recent intervention in the U.S. election, it helps to look more closely at a sort of manifesto he wrote as he was creating WikiLeaks.”
Calling what Assange is doing is an “intervention”. This really plays with propaganda about the Russians as outside interlopers. The discussion of what the emails reveals is now about journalist ethics (all of which Assange apparently has violated), and how dare Assange and the Russians mess with the pristine, totally honest American elections.
Also bizarre are the logical and moral gymnastics exhibited in some sock puppets’ comments below, such as this one:
“Edward Snowden acted responsibly in not wishing to see possibly millions of emails — with the names of innocents attached — just dumped online. Innocents who were/are being electronically surveilled by the global surveillance apparatus. Certainly not without their permission.”
— Mona
Her weasel words argue it would be irresponsible to divulge the names of criminals who are targeting innocent people without the targets’ permission [therein lies the weasel]. This sock puppet claims there could possibly be millions of emails concerning these criminal activities, and, innocent targets of these crimes are mentally ill.
The hand inside that sock puppet is Glenn Greenwald’s.
You’re an unhinged Trump supporter. Glenn is also repulsed by Donald Trump, but when he wants to say so, he does, on his own, as he recently did in an interview with Slate:
Unhinged Trump supporter
In all politeness, do you really think every Trump supporter is mentally unhinged? Granted, he’s not the best politician and maybe dangerous and/or stupid, but is every person who sees him as an alternative mentally ill to you? Really?
You kind of go there often. And yes, I’ve read lots of Victoria’s comments to know she’s a zealot. But that’s different than mentally ill.
When you use that term, you are essentially saying/comparing them to the Miami Killer, The Dallas 5 Shooter and The San Bernardino Killer.
Those are the people that are publicly called Mentally Unstable, not every day zealots.
Sorry to be a nag.
No.
“Unhinged” is rhetorically employed all the time, as this example shows:
Unlike Stan, who very possibly does suffer from an actual mental illness.
Again.American patriots love Trump while America haters don’t.
And her use of racist,unhinged and unstable are all commie or nazi descriptions to demean posters who don’t agree with her narcissistic social issues that pale to the real issue facing the world,ww3.
Another elite know it all cul de sac of hatred for common peoples interests.
The worst thing here at this site,but for Mackneyed.
One person’s responsibility is another’s criminality. If redaction of names was a price to pay, then pay it and don’t look back as I see it.
But I can’t sympathize too much, even with low-level functionaries who know what they are doing is morally wrong. And if public humiliation causes them to find a new job, so be it.
I (and my family) live every single day underneath those low-level functionary who turn on my phones microphone to listen to my live conversations and pull my data from my phone to their storage sites.
And I have NO pity or remorse for them for the sh*t they’ve put me through for 12 years.
Stan isn’t talking about NSA employees/contractros running the electronic surveillance programs the Snowden documents reveal. Stan believes he, along with hundreds of thousands of others, is a “Targeted Individual” against whom governments and corporations around the world target with microwaves, “psychotronic” weaponry, secret mind control, actively enforced “gangstalking,” remote sexual abuse, surgical insertion of alien implants and even reptilian involvement. Stan has posted an endless stream of youtube videos of people standing in parking lots or on sidewalks whom he claims are “gangstalking” him and have been in cities all over the world.
Several of these people have gone on paranoia-fueled murder sprees, including the man who shot the cops in Baton Rouge, and another who shot three students at a Florida university. This is dangerous stuff believed by people who can in turn be dangerous.
Lol, oh, thank you for adding years to my life. That’s one of the best posts I’ve read! ;)
I think we should open the X-Files on that!
There she goes again: Stan believes he, along with hundreds of thousands of others, is a “Targeted Individual” against whom governments and corporations around the world target with microwaves, “psychotronic” weaponry, secret mind control, actively enforced “gangstalking,” remote sexual abuse, surgical insertion of alien implants and even reptilian involvement.
Microwaves, psychotronic weaponry, secret mind control, remote sexual abuse, surgical insertion of alien implants and even reptilian involvement…
Doubling down again, Mona? That sub-thread you keep pointing others to — “please, please, just look at the grey area and nothing else” — proves you are lying.
1. I never wrote “and nothing else,” and 2. That very sub-thread I linked in turn contains my link to the piece from which that description of TI beliefs is taken.
I have repeatedly implored you to seek professional mental health assistance, a request I repeat now. Those suffering your affliction have been known to become violent and even to kill. Numerous people who speak publicly about national security issues vis-a-vis civil liberties report having to get security involved when TIs harass and menace them at these events.
This is desperately serious.
“I have repeatedly implored you to seek professional mental health assistance, …
Those suffering your affliction have been known to become violent and even to kill. ”
You really need to STFU about mental heath issues.
Ignore those comments that make you ” repress the urge to inflict intolerable pain” upon anyone. Yes, your “urge” is in need of clinical help.
I never wrote that I had any urge to inflict intolerable pain on another human being, and the several times you’ve spewed this defamation you’ve sworn you would find a link and yet never have (and do not do so here), because it does not exist. You are simply unhappy with me because, along with another commenter here, I have called you out as the antisemite that you are.
no -Mona-, I am unhappy with you because you dish out more personal attacks than ANY other commenter. And you do it to those who are struggling obviously.
You attempt to silence the messenger often.
You deny what is in the record often. This has been documented many, many, times by multiple commenters.
After another flat out denial by you, (when you were just Mona), I posted the quote of you, telling gleefully, of your email to “Murt” and the resulting banishment you had achieved. You then switched to -Mona- so the archives could no longer be used as evidence of your past falsehood.
The archives no longer seem to function; how fortunate for you as I am loathe to wade through the muck just to post a quote I remember verbatim.
And here you are, again, warning us of the danger of mentally unstable folks while simultaneously repressing “the urge to inflict INTOLERABLE pain upon” a commenter you had labelled an anti-Semite (not me). The urge to inflict intolerable is an urge that should never well to the point repression is required to prevent its action.
The weather is not your friend today. It’s raining and in the low 50s. I have another project I’m looking to ignore so I’m off with my muck boots on … pretty sure it was a Lee Fang piece but it could have been Mackey (ugh).
What prize are you offering when I post your repressed “urge”?
(some reward for the board, if not for me …)
Mary Magdalen seems like an appropriate moniker. Deal?
That is an insane lie. Every word.
Never in my life, here or in the real world, have I expressed a desire or urge to inflict physical pain on another human, or any other creature. You had sworn you were going to find the exact quote of my supposedly doing that, and because you know it does not exist you just now contrive this utterly bizarre, total falsehood.
Your obsession with me has turned you into someone suffering either profound delusions, or a disturbing willingness to tell brazen lies. Indeed, you begin to sound as deeply unstable as Stan, all because of your uncontrollable, and uncontrolled, obsession with me.
The word you used was “intolerable” not physical. And you directed it at someone you declared was not human nor animal; the “anti Semite.”
Yes, that is an accurate description of you.
I never said I “swore” to find your quote. It’s out there but, as I said, I’m loathe to wade through the muck to find your quote. Since I remember it verbatim, the effort is doubly so.
-sigh- You just continue to bash others as a defense mechanism. But then you’re justified in your mind because they deserve it. Catholic often?
I’ve been giving you as much rope as you’ll take. You’ll never admit it’s enough.
It’s stopped raining so maybe I’ll hunt later.
FFS, this is verbatim what you wrote to me on July 17:
It was raining supposedly then, too, when you said you’d find it. And now you are waiting, again, for rain to stop before you can find this thing you’ve never quoted because it does not exist.
It’s either that crap, or now this deranged theory about my purportedly having different versions of my name, and getting deleted under one or whatever. That’s lunacy.
You calling someone an anti semite is like calling them a hero.
You might be the most prejudiced person on this site,but your terrible arrogance and fruit loop concerns prevent your seeing that.
Anyone who refutes righteous anger at the ethnic criminals who have run US into the ditch is part of the problem.
Well of course you’d say that. You are as much an antisemite as your pal nuf, and an affirmative Trump supporter. As I’ve told you before, if you thought well of me I’d be concerned.
I have no sympathy for even the lowest level toilet scum, including sock pups like Mona.
In attacking me, they’ve stooped to renting out nurses to assault me in a colonoscopy lab. (Many are familiar with the American Torture Community’s puerile sense of humor.) In barber shops, they threatened me with a straight-razor, poked me in the eye with scissors, and yanked out hair with shears. There have also been death-threats, sleep deprivation, and more — enough to fill a sizable book.
But so far, I have not been attacked by any of the microwaves, psychotronic weaponry, secret mind control, remote sexual abuse, surgical insertion of alien implants and even reptilian involvement as Mona claims I have repeatedly alleged.
Not only do they use filth like Mona, they have even used children just strong enough to punch noise making iPhone buttons in efforts to harass me in public places.
They belong in prison. Public humiliation and the unemployment line is way too good for them.
You are probably mentally ill, as are most of your fellow sufferers who believe they are so-called “Targeted Individuals.” You, along with quit a few others, have repeatedly been banned from this site for spamming the board with your dangerous and paranoid delusions. The sickness with which you are afflicted, and your sad “evidence” of the machinations you feverishly believe are directed against you, are shown in this sub-thread, beginning with the comment highlighted in grey.
I haven’t asked to have you banned again, but I will if you persist in continuing to drag this lunacy into thread after thread.
“I haven’t asked to have you banned again, but I will…”
I wasn’t aware that single commenter on this site had the power to silence those with whom they disagree, regardless of their opinion.
Such power must be wielded very judiciously, lest the owner turn into a megalomaniacal tyrant…
You weren’t aware of it because it doesn’t exist. Any number of people have approached one or another of the writers here objecting to certain commenters. I and one other have been active in complaining when these TIs took over thread after thread, posting endless crap such as this:
Several times those who post the greatest volume of this crazy stuff have been banned. We complainants don’t make the decision. We merely take the problem to the writers.
People are not banned here for viewpoint or for posting personal insults. But “crapflooding,” including large amounts of this TI craziness, has always been poorly tolerated in any space associated with Glenn Greenwald.
“But “crapflooding,” including large amounts of this TI craziness, has always been poorly tolerated [by ME!] in any space associated with Glenn Greenwald.”
-Mona- is crapflooding with the re-posting of crapflooding …
Try some Keyboard-Bismo, deary …
Actually, it’s Glenn who does not tolerate crapflooding. He never has, and has, entirely on his own, banned a number of people for engaging in it, including at least one who was a supporter. Several other writers here have also rid their comments space of the TI inundation — without my having anything to do with it.
I greatly share Glenn’s (very minimal) moderation standards. But the decision is always his or that of another TI writer.
Above, Stan wrote:
At several points, threads here were teeming with material like that. If you think that’s great, and welcome it overwhelming the comments, the problem — to understate — is not me.
I negligently omitted descriptions of other events of a nature which perfectly fit the definition of Zersetzung Torture, American Style:
* Childish to violent harassment in workplaces including BBC News Online in London and Futurewei Technologies in San Jose, CA.
* Stalking as I leave home for work, return from work, at grocery stores, movie theatres, subways, and hotels.
* Sending uniformed soldiers to stalk and harass me in airports.
* Provocations of the not so intelligent goons the Stasi plants on commercial flights.
* Ridiculous skits put on in public places such as the street, coffee shops, pubs, and restaraunts.
* Serving personally isulting web adds on web pages.
* Serving personally instulting images on digital TV, and the well know Abu Ghraib photo of the torture victim covered in a sack with electrodes hanging off him.
* Sending personally insulting and/or threatening emails.
* Making telephones useless by constantly ringing them and not speaking when I answer, and making bogus service calls to my cell phone at $2 a pop.
* Trying to lure me into betraying my wife by pushing a prostitute on me during daily walks. (That finally stopped when I suggested her dog was more attractive than she.)
* Sneaking up behind my wife at an outdoor cafe in Little Italy to photograph me (staying out of her line of sight), just like this NYC goon.
* Interfereing with my finanicial affairs by intercepting phone calls to the bank or trying to purchase goods by phone.
* Interfereing with my financial affairs by blocking paid-up debit and credit cards when I try to make purchases.
* Intefereing with my financial affairs by increasing my State Farm auto insurance premium by 1000% and not fixing it until I canceled the policy.
* Sending a State Farm ‘nurse’ to stab me with needles in both arms, pretending to take blood for examinination (part of a life insurance ‘application’), and failing to draw a single drop.
* Sending 4 US military goons to stalk and attempt to initmidate me on a Rio beach.
* Pretending to assault me on the street by running at me at full speed and halting just before colliding with me.
* Sending low-life stooges to go out of their way to bump into me in the work place and public spaces, no matter how far I go out of my way to avoid colliding with this sort of Stasi street scum.
* Sending large, oversized, overaged and menacing cable TV techs to my apartment in Brazil to intimdate me inside my own home.
* Intefereing with job interviews. During one of my most recent interviews outside a San Jose coffee shop, they sent street scum to walk back and forth just behind my prospective employer, out of his line of sight, to distract me during a critical conversation. (It didn’t work. Again. And I still have that job.)
* Closing a San Jose police station when I attempted to report some of these crimes during regular business hours.
* Sending Stasi street scum to lurk outside outside my Sao Paulo apartment to yell at me in English as I pass by.
* Interfereing in my wife’s cancer treatment. A perp at Futurewei Technhologies in San Jose suddenly started acting as if she was my best friend and tried to convince me to send my wife to Texas — of all the goddamndest Nazi infested shitholes — for radical treatements her doctor in Brazil said would kill her. She is going strong five years after the diagnosis.
(They, like you, Mona, are as evil as they come.)
* Sending a helicopter to hover over my apartment in London for about 15″ – 20″. (That stunt alone cost thousands. I had no idea I was so important.)
* Did I mention death threats? Oh, yes. I did that already.
I have recognized their tactics in Austin, Houston, New York, San Jose, Newark, Denver, Rio, Sao Paulo, London, and Shanghai. For targets, the world is indeed teeming with the murderous Stasi slime you are shilling for, Mona.
Mackey.
I should have addressed my comment to Mackey. My mistake. The comment’s substance stands.
Well, the country’s campaign for Hillary has raised her on a platform that borders on worship. She does deserve to be thoroughly exposed. Bringing up that Wikileaks is ignoring Trump is a strawman, and you know it; Trump will, and is, taking care of his own fetid past, and a great deal of work is being devoted to exposing the charlatan and the danger that he poses. Clinton, however, does have serious skeletons in her closet that people are willfully ignoring, raising her on a pedestal that borders on worship. So whatever Assange has for his opinion of Clinton or his present effort to expose her and the DNC for the utterly despicable and vile manipulation and theft of the vote —there is numerous proven factual reporting of this; it’s not a conspiracy theory; Clinton’s and the DNC in league to suborn the process is not “dirty tricks politics as usual,” it’s criminality, pure and simple.
Wikileaks did not begin to publish this material until it became obvious that the DNC was working in concert with the Clinton campaign to undermine the vote. So Greenwald, you are being instrument in obfuscating this. You’ve written at least twice if not more about this Wikileaks chapter, and you have utterly trashed them. So I’ll just say that Wikileaks and Assange do the world a great service in publishing this material. Let the truth and the facts speak for themselves. As I said above, Trump is taking care of executing his own despicable reputation.
Ohhh … you mean that the issue is that outing Clinton means that Assange is in support of Trump, that he means to undermine the United States? You’re full of shit on that one. Do your job, Greenwald. *You* chose to work a career on precisely this angle of American politics. Do your job, then. If you don’t, you’re just a coward.
Glenn and Jeremy should not remain silent on this article or the Intercept’s hiring policies, and how they are supposedly maintaining their independence.
They founded this place, they have that responsibility.
It’s disappointing to see so much journalistic dishonesty here. Jeremy refused to be silent about Bernie Sanders being for drones, only for this hack to persecute much needed opposition to Hillary Clinton.
The release of unredacted emails can indeed cost lives:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/07/iran-executes-nuclear-scientist-shahram-amiri-returned-country-from-us
And this loss of life was helped if at all by the unredacted release of Hillary Clinton’s emails by no one else but the US State Department.
And anyway, it looks as if the US intelligence establishment, Hillary and Obama just used and dumped this guy, doing nothing to protect him or his family.
And as a comment pointed out, Hillary and staff were discussing this man on Hillary’s highly insecure private server emails which was probably hacked by every intelligence agency in the world including Iran’s. Hillary endangered this man’s life.
Exactly. I think that’s worth bearing in mind when we hear attacks on Assange, Snowden, Greenwald, etc. Also note the the unredacted emails were made searchable by Wikileaks and by the Wall Street Journal. I haven’t heard any criticism of the latter’s editorial policy.
Really?… What if hackers from Russia fed wiki leaks disinformation?? Seriously… maybe hackers from China give it to you I ran who gave it to Syria who then gave it to Russia who leaked it to wikileaks
Hey Mackey – I know you may be more interested in Trump’s bullying of a crying little baby, but maybe you can check this out when you hit the bottom of the barrel of Trump dirt:
Cotton: Clinton discussed executed Iranian scientist on email
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Hillary Clinton recklessly discussed, in emails hosted on her private server, an Iranian nuclear scientist who was executed by Iran for treason, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said Sunday.
“I’m not going to comment on what he may or may not have done for the United States government, but in the emails that were on Hillary Clinton’s private server, there were conversations among her senior advisors about this gentleman,” he said on “Face the Nation.” Cotton was speaking about Shahram Amiri, who gave information to the U.S. about Iran’s nuclear program.
The senator said this lapse proves she is not capable of keeping the country safe.
“That goes to show just how reckless and careless her decision was to put that kind of highly classified information on a private server. And I think her judgment is not suited to keep this country safe,” he said.
The revelation could cause further political damage to Clinton, who was already on the defensive Sunday after commenting oddly last week that she had “short-circuited” in a statement related to her honesty about the email scandal.
Republican nominee Donald Trump seized on the statement to question her mental stability.
Iran confirmed on Sunday that Amiri had been hanged for treason. He was convicted of spying charges in a death sentence case that was upheld on appeal, according to the Associated Press.
“This person who had access to the country’s secret and classified information had been linked to our hostile and No. 1 enemy, America, the Great Satan” a spokesman for the Iranian judiciary said. “He provided the enemy with vital and secret information of the country.”
His body was returned to his mother with rope marks around the neck.”
She so fine, that sweet gal ‘o mine…
coo-coo. You bring up TOM COTTON as an authority?
so julian assange has decided not to act as another gatekeeper. wise choice. release it all. the public must be aware. and government must be scared.
edward snowdon decided the public shouldn’t know certain things. he acts as a defacto government.
he worked for booze-allen – a company that breaks the law at the behest of the united states. one might term booze-allen as a criminal organization. people that knowingly work for a criminal organization are criminals under u.s. law.
an accountant who worked for the mafia was a criminal.
most people seem to forget that if our government does it, it’s still a crime. our government, as well as the contractors it hires, cannot disregard the constitution when it suits their fancy.
but they do. and, we the people, sit passively on our hands while this administration literally gets away with murder.
we, who fund america, must know where & how our money is spent.
good for assange. keep the info flow alive.
we need more, not less, discovery.
Um, no. That’s absurd.
Edward Snowden acted responsibly in not wishing to see possibly millions of emails — with the names of innocents attached — just dumped online. Innocents who were/are being electronically surveilled by the global surveillance apparatus. Certainly not without their permission.
He also did not risk his life and liberty merely to embarrass his co-workers. Identifying the names of low-level NSA employees/contractors is not remotely the important aspect of his revelations.
Sorry Mona but “responsibility” has been already trademarked by the NYTimes and I think your idol, Glenn, has already trademarked “innocent” (relating to USG officials), which, quite honestly I find unfair, since terrorists kill us for having a “free” media … (it can’t get more “innocent” than that, if they knew!)
I know that very simple question will sound weird to your kind, all those “responsible” people out there:
Have NSA employees, USG asked every citizen of the world for permission to indiscriminately “monitor” and “surveille” them 24×7?
I know, I know you guys who understand “laws” and such b#llsh!t know best. As U.S. judges have already stated, I can not “legally speaking” say that they are keeping “me” under surveillance, “because they are doing it to everybody anyway”, so, (in their esoteric logic it is not about “me”) …
But the information his coworkers gleaned is being used not to “embarrass” people, but to freedom-lovingly and “innocently” kill them along with their whole families when it comes to double tapping …, for not being “innocent” enough maybe?
We should at once stopped thinking along those “gentlemen agreements”, “my sh!t smells better than yours”, … b#llsh!ting lines.
RCL
Revealing names of low-level NSA employees/contractors is wholly unnecessary for serving the public interest that Snowden risked his life and liberty to perform. Revealing the programs was the public service he performed, which in turn revealed the lies the higher-ups were telling Congress and courts.
There’s no public interest served in revealing names of low-level employees.
Mona:
I know you are not stupid or insensitive, so you very well understood my very basic and simple question:
Have NSA employees, USG asked every citizen of the world for permission to indiscriminately “monitor” and “surveille” them 24×7?
I know you are a lawyer so you would drive me nuts with non-sense-verbosity while I am burning my neurons making my points. Answer that basic question first if you want for us to engage in a meaningful conversation
RCL
I repeat: There’s no public interest served in revealing names of low-level employees.
you are saying that based on what? On your own ideas of what “public interest” should mean? similar to when USG tosses around its “the ‘free’ world this” and “the ‘free’ world that”?
As anyone could see, you never answered my very basic question. This is exactly what people like from Assange. He would let the “We the people” decide for itself whatever they find “of interest”, instead of spousing “gentlemen agreements” and the kind of “rapist mentality” that would not let people answer that very simple question I asked you.
RCL
It is self-evident to all reasonable people that publishing the names of low-level employees would not constitute a public interest revelation. They are not the decision-makers; they are the worker bees and some of what they do is benign. These are not public figures who make policy.
Moreover, and again, Ed Snowden didn’t take the indescribable risk he did to publish such names. Indeed, his legal position — if he’s ever able to mount a public interest defense — is better if there’s no gratuitous names revealed for reasons that could plausibly be portrayed as purely malicious.
His low level coworkers are the same *ssholes that have been turning on my phone’s microphone and been pulling my phone’s information for a number of years now.
Please don’t lose sight of the fact that these persons KNOW they are breaking the law. They could protest by finding another job.
I wouldn’t label you an apologist because I know your heart is in the right place. I’m merely asking that you consider the victims of these low level persons as well, of which I am one.
How do you know this has been happening, and how do you know those who are purportedly doing this are Snowden’s former co-workers?
You’re right, I don’t know they are his actual coworkers. But then again, I was grouping all NSA workers as his coworkers. I will tell you several facts of which I can only provide me or my family’s testimony as evidence. In any instance, any one of these things can be dismissed, but together they are too many to call it coincidence. There are several factors that indirectly support my surveillance and other direct factors I cannot state publically.
1. Out of country posts were redirected, opened and forwarded to us from PI, through Singapore and onto us here in US
2. Strange beeps every 20 seconds on my and my wife’s phone for 6 months.
3. Coming through customs over the last ten years, I’ve learned that I’m subject to additional question, even after my identity is confirmed by customs agents who last time, received a call as I was cleared and the person on the other end required them to continue to interrogate me
4. I’ve learned through customs agents another name and some flag set to stop me and my wife when entering the country
5. I had learned via Internet that massive power loss and blinking LED were symptoms of surveillance. Both my phone and my wife’s phone exhibited these symptoms intermittently suggesting a pattern.
6. Massive intermittent power loss occurs only after I texted certain persons, either my wife or other potential visa holders or naturalized citizens. Power loss was full charge to dead battery in 15 seconds.
7. On one occasion, I was not permitted to book airline tickets to San Bernardino airport. This was a few years ago. My computer screen went black, showing a one inch red banner across the screen with two words in block letters saying, GOVERNMENT RESTRICTED.
8. There are other factors I cannot state publicly. Sorry, but you will have to decide for yourself if what I’ve said or can say seems reasonable or mentally ill.
You should, then, take that information to a journalist possessed of technical sophistication sufficient to assess your concerns. But whatever else is true, there’s no evidence any named, low-level NSA employees in the Snowden trove have anything to do with it. I’m not even aware of any revealed NSA programs that would cause such things.
Yes, I’m sure the director if the NSA conducts these sorts of surveillance, not some underling. Really?
You are aware now.
Do you really think this is a coincidence too?
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1470099/000155837016004942/mobl-20160623xdef14a.htm
See page :7 bio of Matthew Howard.
I’m sure you are aware of In-Q-Tel and their customers.
Then, go check out mobile iron at mobileiron.com and see what they do. Perhaps, you’ll feel differently.
None of that handwaving demonstrates that NSA staff/contractors are responsible for anything you claim is happening to you and your wife. Nothing in the revealed Snowden documents reveal those kinds of programs. Again, if you are so certain, take it to a tech-savvy journalist. There are plenty of them here.
In the meantime, you’ve wholly failed to demonstrate a reason to publish the names of low-level worker bees.
Thank you for your pat answers, Mona. I sent detailed information about my situation to a journalist–twice. She never received the packet sent via regular mail, nor the one sent later via courier. She’s not the ball-less type who would pretend not to get two letters just to avoid an uncomfortable conversation with a “nut”. She did not get my letters.
The whole point is to cut the target off from all means of support. They’re good at it. They’re pros. There is no way for you to understand this unless you’ve been through it. Please stick to Palestine. You do a good job of that. But you don’t understand what it’s like to be targeted by America’s security services. Stick to what you know.
Oh, WakeUpAmerica! Mona is a lawyer, so, she wants for you to show her a document signed by the very U.S. President and cosigned by NSA Director Admiral Michael S. Rogers stating that they are not respecting your first amendment rights, so she has “a case”.
What I don’t quite get about Mona is from where she gets so much time to dedicate to her effort to discredit targeted individuals (she even writes notes to herself ;-)):
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Targeted_Individuals#Another_note_from_Mona_to_Mona
and how could anyone with a sense of humanity with so much gusto viscerally mock people abusively harassed, tormented and tortured by police, even if, as she says, we are all “mentally sick”. She might know something she is not sharing with us.
I don’t believe in Santería, but I don’t see why should I start mocking and discrediting people who do, nor do I make fun of people with asthma, or of my students when they don’t understand something.
By the way, they “monitor” (mind) us 24×7 and all postal carriers, private and public reroute our mail to “black chambers”. In may case, they have altogether disappeared even registered mail parcels, taken away stuff from the inside and even put inside stuff (like boxes of crackers). The TSA has even stolen my stuff and played stupid made fun of me (“Oh, all you need to do is fill out a ‘lost item’ form”), they constantly do that to mess with us.
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/zersetzung-made-in-u-s-a/
https://ipsoscustodes.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/tsa_spirit_airlines_bs06_-address.pdf
Mona would say I made up this official letter I got from the US Census Bureau telling me they had included me in the FBI criminal index:
https://hsymbolicus.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/fbi_bad_nigger02.pdf
RCL
Yes, Snowden has a lot of baggage and much to answer for.
He essentially — even if unwittingly, being the patriot-rube he was — performed a limited hangout op and got rich for his trouble under free FSB protection, after Wikileaks saved his bacon.
You’ve turned into such a bitter little boy ever since that girl you were bullying kicked your ass, Stan. Get over it.
I expected better from the Intercept.
1. Do you mean to imply that “non-partisan” is unbiased, or is that already established fact?
2. Do you realize you open with an ad hominem? Wikileaks twitter in your opinion — which you take care to phrase in such a way so that you don’t have to prove it — sounds like someone else… which means what, that what Assange says is invalid?
3. Or does it actually mean that Assange is a Republican hack? That any criticism of Hillary Clinton is support for Trump? Why don’t you just say that instead of playing this annoying game?
4. Since Assange openly states his opinion, and you presuppose yours, I’d say the only poor journalism here is your article.
5. Lol “dispassionate reporting.” Just say bias. And since when did Wikileaks ever commit to “dispassionate reporting?” Since when was it wrong to oppose war criminals?
6. I notice the only thing you haven’t linked is your exchange with the Wikileaks twitter. Why don’t you link it so people can see?
7. Since the potential of forgery is pure speculation, why make it sound so sinister, as if damage to the DNC is apocalyptic? Might I be forgiven for suspecting this article is just fear mongering?
Secretary Clinton deserves all of her private illegal or unethical dealings to be made public. This article implies that the Intercept will sit on any information regarding Hillary, unless they have dirt on Trump also. I think the owner of the Intercept very badly wants Hillary to win, to further his agenda in the Ukraine and elsewhere. After all, Hillary is stirring up hate right now for those big bad Russians!
It is the author of this article that is biased and is projecting his desires onto the wikileaks dump. After presenting the hypothesis that the Intercept is out to get Hillary and not Trump, no evidence is presented … just whining.
It is the Intercept that has been astrotrufed by Pierre Omidyar, that is evident. This article is the pot calling the kettle black!
“I know this from first-hand experience, having been denounced by @wikileaks last month…” -Robert Mackey
Well, I’m glad to see there’s no conflict of interest here….
“Still, given that WikiLeaks is now unwilling or unable to closely scrutinize all of the documents it obtains”
Not curating them doesn’t mean they didn’t scrutinize them.
Blah blah fucking blah. If Assange has the goods on Clinton, she’s done!!!! No matter how you spin it, she will be spun.
So now that wikileaks has turned its sights from corrupt Republicans to corrupt Democrats, they’re a biased entity with a personal grudge. The hypocrisy of Neoliberals is hilarious. Where is Jon Stewart when you need him.
Hopefully The Intercept will remove Mackey as a contributor.
It’s not surprising that liberals attack WikiLeaks. They are complacent with corporate media serving as a propaganda and brain washing tool of the Oligarchy. But when revolutionaries use information as a tool to break the Big Lie, they whine about “objective reporting”.
Mackey is a liberal propagandist, “liberal” meaning the liberal side of corporate America (mainstream Democrats, Clinton, etc.). I really wish The Intercept would stop publishing his crap; we can read this stuff anywhere in mainstream journalism if we so choose, which I personally do not. We are surrounded by and inundated with corporate propaganda all the time in this society, and I don’t see how it fulfills The Intercept’s mission to print more of this. Mackey is the worst writer here by far because of this, please get rid of him.
I second that well-written opinion.
TOTALLY agree
Second that sentiment, also.
Add in Matt Schwartz with his opinionated crap. V. Boulevard, I owe you an apology…just when I claimed that TI is fair…I am now eating crow.
I guess it’s time to move on…
Here here!
Maybe that’s not too surprising, given that we are talking about a criminal who is the wife of a criminal who pledged allegiance to the flag and the prime minister of Israel?
Who, would like to have such a person as their country’s president unless one was a criminal or a criminal enabler or a radical Zionazi?
Robert Mackey’s column is extremely flawed, but not for being anti-Trump
It begins with the headline and this opening paragraph:
Wikileaks is not “non-partisan” when it comes to powerful political, state and corporate actors. Hillary Clinton and the DNC are all three types and WL properly — in the public interest — leaked a trove of emails showing their venality and corruption. Futher, if Julian Assange has a special antipathy for Hillary Clinton, no sentient being could fail to understand why that might be so.
One especially bothersome item in Mackey’s article is this:
Mackey doesn’t link, which was an unfortunate omission. Mackey didn’t merely “point out” an error in his tweet to WL, rather, he erroneously called Wikileaks a liar. That chain will show I and many others explained to Mackey he was simply wrong. Had he done the right thing in this article and linked, readers would have seen all of that.
The anti-Trump bias doesn’t bother me, I’m down with that. But not this dishonest and strained smearing of Wikileaks and Julian Assange for having properly provided emails showing DNC venality and corruption.
Since Assange has full knowledge of the facts that prove that the harpy is a war criminal and since he has full knowledge of other aspects of her criminal record, and since the yankee regime has moved arguably extra-legally to attempt to seize Assange which has resulted in him being cooped up in an embassy, it is scarcely surprising that Assange should be hostile. The real issue is what wikileaks has released and the fact it exposes the criminality of the Clintons and the fixing of the Democratic race. This critique is just another effort by the yankee power structure to defend itself from its odious criminality being exposed.
Jill Stein would no doubt personally escort Assange home via Airforce 1 because she is a decent human being.
I would…
Along with REPARATIONS AND APOLOGIES because this man has done a great service to Americans.
Straight from the Robert Mackey School of Journalism: When you don’t have any facts to support the narrative you’re trying to push, just fill in with a bunch of leading hypothetical questions. Assange has mentioned numerous times the reason he doesn’t redact documents is that those documents often end up as pieces of evidence in legal prosecution and he doesn’t want to provide the defense that the documents were altered.
“Dispassionate reporting”, a term used by Mr. Mackey in reference to Wikileaks, does not appear in Wikileaks mission statements or objectives. The tone and tenor of this article seems to be rather personal.
Perhaps it would be useful for each of us to evaluate this article using the criteria of “dispassionate reporting”, and suggest ways in which Mr. Mackey himself can improve in this arena.
In this space (The Intercept), this is a very disappointing article.
“ In recent months, the WikiLeaks Twitter feed has started to look more like the stream of an opposition research firm working mainly to undermine Hillary Clinton than the updates of a non-partisan platform for whistleblowers.”
Corrected:
“In recent months, The Intercept has started to look more like the stream of an opposition research firm working mainly to undermine Donald Trump than the updates of a non-partisan platform for unbiased readers.“
Donald Trump is such a creep that it is hard not to for The Intercept. With Obama / Clinton the warts are covered up very deeply under a rock. With Donald Trump the warts are out there for everyone to see. Giant warts on his face that you can’t look away from even if you try. He is so horrible the shocking thing is that the Republicans could have possibly picked this awful man.
I am not saying that Clinton / Obama are not also responsible for doing some horrible stuff, they have. But Trump has based his campaign on being racist from the get-go and it is hard to ignore it. Right from the time he started the campagin he was making statements calling Mexicans rapists. That is something that I expect to hear from a Klu Klux Klan member; not from the GOP nominee for president.
Hey, nice smear job Mackey . . worthy of Paul Krugman. By the way, do you ever do any, you know, like reporting, or actual journalism?
I agree. Too much of what is appearing, unfortunately here as well, is obvious propaganda by establishment lackeys, and, in the light of what wikileaks has exposed, this is particularly serious, since the power structure has obviously gone dictatorial.
Mackey is excellent on maters relating to Israel-Palestine. But that is very possibly because he’s Irish, apparently partially raised in Ireland. Irish-Catholics on the old sod have historically been extremely supportive of the Palestinians so Macky’s perspective is not an especially anti-establishment one over there.
Nor do I care if he’s especially anti-Trump. There’s room for that here. But I draw the line at affirmative smearing — in a significantly dishonest manner — of Hillary Clinton critics. There should be no room for dishonesty in the journalism.
One of the fairer and saner comments you have made.
I’m impressed!
People, you should all just STFU, go home, bury your heads in shame, rethink and return.
The BEST the great USofA could come up with is a choice between Clinton and Trump? Exactly how many over and above 300 million of you are asleep at the wheel?
You, the people, are now the laughing stock of a world frightened by either outcome.
And the best you all here can argue about is which of these two nightmares is the better one? If the conversation here is in any/any way any reflection of the US conversation, your county is doomed.
Not for the Trumps and Clintons, who have and will continue to feed off your sorry increasingly ignorant navel-gazing asses.
So let’s just argue the relative ‘virtues’ of the reporters: a reported rapist-in-hiding and increasingly self-interested scatter-gunning megalomaniac (Assange) versus his alter ego who commercialised to his own advantage dribbled instalments of another’s leaks (Greenwald)?
Yeah, both saints of the highest order.
Hell, get either signed up with a contract or two with the industrial-military complex that your own president warned you against a couple of generations ago and they should be presidential material.
As a Democrat, I welcome the DNC leaks because they expose grave bias and corruption within the party itself. I am glad to see the top leaders leave. It is a shame DWS has gone to work for HRC.
I have recently heard Bill Maher and now The Intercept are insinuating that Wikileaks is hacking opponents. Wikileaks is given leaked data and then publishes it. I’m sure if they had Trumps Taxes they would be on Wikileaks very quickly. Assange likes Wikileaks to be relevant. He does enjoy exposing corruption and hypocrisy, but so do many other journalists. Something has to drive them.
Glenn Greenwald, who I admire, also extolls the virtues of adversarial, muck-raking, journalism. So why is this Mackey person complaining about Assange ‘finding dirt’ on a major Presidential Candidate. I think it is better that we know about it before the election than afterwards.
This piece is the kind of not-very-smart, irresponsible journalism I associate with The New York Times, not The Intercept. It draws conclusions and makes aspersions for unacknowledged editorial objectives that are unsupported and later contradicted. To take it apart, one ridiculous argument at a time, would take too long. It’s nonsense, start to finish.
After finishing it, just for fun, I checked Mr. Mackey’s bio. Yup. There is was: used to work for The Times.
We deserve better, Glenn.
Apparently, TI believes in hiring ‘journalists’ from the full range of those available – from corrupt to ethical.
Mackey is just filling a slot at the lower end of that spectrum…
You can’t hold working for the times against the poor bastard, Chris Hedges worked for the times
More slanted language. What Mackey characterizes as “dirt” others see as “facts” and/or inconvenient (to those in power) “truths”. What Mackey implies is Assange’s vision only, is an opinion shared by many, many others.
The fact that our two-party system enforces a “choice” between two demonstrably corrupt and dangerous people is not as significant to Mackey as the fact that someone else has found a way to exercise power against their preferred narratives by exposing the ugly truths they prefer buried.
The Intercept, I do agree with you 98% of the time, but not this one. Robert Mackey, “what will you do to someone who wants to kill or destroy you?” What will you do with someone who has done everything in his/her power to put you into the soil for no good reason?”
Whatever Assange is doing to Hillary Clinton is okay with me and millions of people who see Clinton’s autocratic tendency and negative ambition as unbecoming of a mother or a ‘presidential aspirant’ in a country that has unchecked powers to do what it knows best…killing. Do you think that if Hillary has the opportunity she would not ask for Julian’s head in a plate?
Robert Mackey, if you were Julian Assange, and considering all the negative roles Hillary played in Assange’s present condition, what would you do to get back to her if you had the opportunity to harm her? The Intercept should not support Clinton or Trump, let the media play its objective role and the people will make their choice…be it Trump or Hillary.
Yeah that is clearly what happens. People make their own choice. No man behind the curtain, ever!
Incidentally who helped Bush Jr get elected in 2000 and Obama in 2008 because I have no idea? I always figured puppetmasters have a propensity for choosing the puppets they can fit their hands in best, but that is just a theory.
Yes, please dig up more dirt on Clinton between now and November.
Or Jill!
Assange is out there – well, he’s not, he’s trapped in there – but Assange is out there alone and NO ONE is really helping him. Glenn and Ed and everyone else can criticise all they like, but sniping at newspaper editors and giving advice on phone security is hardly going to bring about a revolution. We are all of us pathetic in comparison to the efforts of Assange and we are all doomed because of that.
My defence of Assange is that the only truly dangerous operators out there are our own governments, not “organised crime” or “terrorists” or “psychopaths” – these are the bogeymen we love to fear and yes, there are one or two, but they present less danger than crossing the road to most of us. But Clinton and Trump and the 5-Eyes and the secret services around the world do not just “pose” but actively are engaged in presenting the most serious threat to ANY sort of peace and cooperation across our various cultures and societies.
We must all hang our heads in shame as Julian Assange is the only person with the balls to really try to win and he is doing it for all of us who do not want to live under the microscope of tyranny.
Shame on us all.
The Intercept is now just another key on the mighty Wurlitzer playing propaganda tunes.
“Whatever the reason, it is difficult to see a public-interest argument for making public some of what was contained in the DNC files. One of the voice-mail recordings, for instance, was a conversation between a staffer and his young child during a visit to a zoo, which appears to have been left by accident, following a pocket-dial. The staffer’s phone number was made available, much to the delight of some Trump supporters.”
Well ok I understand this point but how do you achieve transparency when you start redacting? If he redacts how does the reader assure integrity of the material? It’s impossible for the reader to ascertain the integrity of materials unless there is no redacting. And if he starts redacting how do we know where he’s stopped is relevant? How do you trust a data set that’s been edited? Moreover can you trust a publisher that edits data sets for whatever reason?
Give us some analysis of the DNC trove, rather than shooting the messenger.
The Intercept is showing signs of carrying water for the Establishment.
Perhaps the billionaire’s hobby site is showing it’s true colors.
The problem with redaction or a moderated release of whistle-blower documents is that an intermediary might get co-opted or persuaded (by establishment figures who have everything to lose from the leaks) to hold back the release of incriminating documents/ information under the guise of redaction. Who will scrutinize that a redaction is not really a cover-up or resulting in a cover-up.
The Panama leaks suffer from this problem of an annotated selective release of information. In countries like India, the compliant media has actually used this lack of transparency to publish stories covering up obvious corruption by powerful Indians that the Panama documents pointed to.
I actually prefer the Wikileaks method of dumping the whole leak into the public domain.
This is an outstanding comment! I might add that an intermediary’s own fear or ideological bias could also result in a degree of redaction that is either unnecessary or unwarranted.
Re: “I actually prefer the Wikileaks method of dumping the whole leak into the public domain” — so do I, Seema Sapra, so do I. It was after all the US armed forces who inured us over time into accepting with hardly as much as a shrug of the shoulders the notion and the principle of ‘collateral damage’. By comparison, the sum damage that Wikileaks is capable of doing through oversight is of a very limited kind, except perhaps among all those many goons in government & the military who should never have been where they fucking well are — i.e., in harm’s way — in the first place.
So unless Wikileaks focuses on people you dislike and follow with the lock step narrative that “only the right is evil” you have a big problem with it. Gotcha.
The role of Assange/WikiLeaks as a cat’s paw for Trump & Putin is obvious. The release of unredacted, irrelevant personal information of innocent people is just a bonus indicator of the perversity of this operation.
et tu Intercept?
Mackey seems more vested in the election outcome, particularly favoring Hillary, than he is about the voters having open access to information. People have suspected a rigged game, not only within the parties, but between them for some time. Moreover, the Clinton’s have a long history of abusing whatever power they wield. Exposing their behavior to a new generation of voters is a meritorious act. Trump, to me represents a similar threat, but we lack proof as he has never been in control of any government or political entity. I, for one, am particularly curious about the Clinton Global Initiative, its fund raising practices and interaction between the foundation and the Department of State during Secretary Clinton’s time there.
This observation may have been noted by others downthread. If so, apologies for not having caught up on comments prior to adding my own thoughts.
Would Mr. Mackey want his own credibility affected by mere speculation of the sort he engages in here? I doubt it.
While I agree with the concerns over the lack of redactions of personal information that were contained in these recent information releases, I will refrain from casting stones at the credibility of the information until actual proof – as opposed to opinions on what ‘might happen’ – has emerged that something like that actually has happened.
In addition, I would note that this ‘theory’ has surfaced elsewhere in multiple places and is not unique to Mr. Mackey, which smacks of coordination to me in propagating disinformation about Wikileaks itself. As Mr. Mackey notes, there are sufficient extant reasonable grounds on which to base legitimate critique. Unless and until he or some other journalist also spend enough time off social media to do the necessary investigative work to prove these allegations true – or false – they should be considered wishful thinking and/or disinformation being fed to the press for purposes that aren’t hard to discern.
Could someone in the Hillary campaign have ghost-written this? In that case we are being unduly harsh to this twitter bloke here.
Pedinska: Don’t be so sorry about “stumping on someone else’s feet/steps” (as they say in Spanish). One of the things that theIntercept has been doing is “status”:”hold”(ing) comments. If you view the source of this html page right now (Sun Aug 7 16:37:00 EDT 2016), your will notice 55 of them.
I initially thought it was the NSA messing with us (which they certainly do), but I shifted my doubts more towards TI. Ironic, right? But, well they are being “responsible”, they may say … and if you any doubts about their way of doing things you should try to persuade Mona ;-)
RCL
and then making comments visible as if they were posted when people submitted them.
No, this is not a form of lying or being playful while handling the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth of matters. They are being “responsible”
RCL
Mackey writes:
“As Raffi Khatchadourian explained in a New Yorker profile of the WikiLeaks founder in 2010, “Assange, despite his claims to scientific journalism, emphasized to me that his mission is to expose injustice, not to provide an even-handed record of events.” To Assange, Khatchadourian wrote, “Leaks were an instrument of information warfare.””
Well, Assange is not a free journalist is he? Is Mackey suggesting that Wikileaks should not publish whistleblower leaks in the public interest without first ensuring that they provide an even handed record of events. What could Assange have possibly done with the DNC emails in order to provide an even handed record of events. Should Assange have first asked Hillary for her comments?
From this completely fatuous point, Mackey moves on to write:
“In other words, Assange’s project has been from the start more like opposition research than dispassionate reporting. His goal is to find dirt in the servers of powerful individuals or organizations he sees as corrupt or dangerous, and bring them down by exposing it. As he memorably told Der Spiegel in 2010, “I enjoy crushing bastards.””
And exactly how does Mackey go on to conclude from his first fatuous argument, that “Assange’s project has been from the start more like opposition research than dispassionate reporting”. Assange dispassionately leaked DNC emails showing that DNC officials who were required to act neutral, actively sabotaged Sanders to help Hillary. This would be dishonesty, corruption, and election fraud. In my view, Assange has helped provide an even handed record of how Hillary corruptly and dishonestly stole the Democratic nomination from Bernie. Nothing could be more dispassionate than this.
And if Assange’s “goal is to find dirt in the servers of powerful individuals or organizations he sees as corrupt or dangerous, and bring them down by exposing it”, and if thereby Assange exposes corruption and danger to the public interest, all power to him.
Are you a pathologist? You did spend a while analyzing crap.
I just read the comments.
If you read the article carefully, its a great example of carefully put together disinformation crap. Dissecting it is a study into how to mislead.
I know this well, so I don’t need this joker to teach me. But the comments are a lot more entertaining.
“In other words, Assange’s project has been from the start more like opposition research than dispassionate reporting. His goal is to find dirt in the servers of powerful individuals or organizations he sees as corrupt or dangerous, and bring them down by exposing it.
Mr. Mackey is being disingenuous here. He knows that the textbook definition of “opposition research” applies here, just as it does for many – if not most- of the stories published by The Intercept. He also knows that the implied meaning, especially with respect to politics, is one of slimy lies and misrepresentations, so it’s no mistake he uses that term in the manner noted above.
One would be hard-pressed, in fact, to find examples of the same kind of “dispassionate reporting” in Mackey’s own recent work. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing, even when he chooses to make it appear so in reference to a journalist whose work he impugns, under color of “just asking” what might happen should someone, sometime, somewhere actually slip them a mickey of a story.
“What is important, he said, is to build political pressure “to discipline and hold to account and check the abuses of power during the next four years.”
Trump will get caught when he strays, Clinton will betray and stay above the fray.
Assange and I are both pragmatists.
Exactly! It is a purely pragmatic matter. I would rather have a Trump kind of guy WYSIWYD b#llsh!tt3r in the White House, since he will have presstitutes up his @ss 24×7, even business people and lobbying agencies very upset about having to deal with such a crazy @ss, histrionic, seemingly impossible to handle guy. The chosen ones seem to be very worried about funding, but no so much about Iran, yet, on Iran Clinton may serve them as well if not better …
I am amazed a Jodie Foster kind of platonic lover hasn’t happened yet.
+1
RCL
You got me crystal clear, 5/5. A vote for Trump is not a vote for his program or personality. It is a vote for lights on in a room full of roaches.
HRC will wallow in raw sewage and maintain her impunity, but I’m splitting hairs. +1
The world will be much better off after seeing what America looks like under all that makeup, and hearing in public so many of those ugly things many Americans say in private.
America will be the better too, at least one can hope so. Ugly truths are best confronted and fixed, not kept secret and fixed in place.
The article states: “But it should come as no surprise to anyone who looks back at the founding principles of WikiLeaks that Assange — who has clearly stated his distaste for the idea of the former secretary of state becoming president — would make aggressive use of leaked documents to try to undermine her.”
Wouldn’t Hillary have been hurt much harder if the DNC emails had been released before Bernie Sanders withdrew from the race. Releasing them at the DNC Convention only made it possible for Hillary supporters to argue that Sanders supporters MUST MUST switch over to Hillary.
And as we don’t even know when Wikileaks got the emails, Mackey’s argument does not make sense.
Sad to see The Intercept has taken upon itself the work of establishment attack dogs and discredit Assange. The Intercept is picking sides, favoring Greenwald’s protegeé Snwden… Talk about “crushing bastards…” Also, all JA says of significance about Snowden is true. What has he published in the last 3 years? Wikileaks has been making a huge difference in national and international policies and public awareness for over a decade– for the better.
WTF is “dispassionate reporting”? Only the morally dead can do that. Obama/Hillary has this guy rotting in London, and you want fucking objectivity. Only an asshole masochist would want to be “dispassionate’ about people who want to lock your ass up naked in a cell for the rest of your life. Mackey needs to get a job for the fucking NYT.
“What Julian Assange’s War On Hillary Clinton Says About Wikileaks” — What kinda “dispassionate reporting” is this for godsakes? Why not, mutatis mutandis, “What Glenn Greenwald’s War On The US Government Says About The Intercept”?
Greenwald is gifted in abundance with the cognitive, analytical, logical, and rhetorical skills of an attorney, and the moral & principled stance and almost Zen-like composure of a truly sentient being — and all this as rigorously & vigorously subordinated by him to the nasal instincts of a journo committed to the public interest.
Assange is a luminary and a visionary — a true prophet, even — and for by now many years, motivated and driven by the loftiest of principles, has bravely committed his life & person with astonishing success to an extraordinary undertaking: viz., the restoration & reinstatement of the public domain in the names of ‘democracy’ and ‘transparency’. As Greenwald recognized in a tweet a year or so ago, Wikileaks has done a truly amazing job of collecting and indexing = curating a vast yet easily accessible public archive of documents from all over the world that any number of governments and corporations would have much preferred to keep forever under wraps. This constitutes an archive of inestimable value to journos and scholars — indeed, Assange aptly enough characterizes his enterprise here as being one of ‘scientific journalism’.)
Somewhat by way of contrast, then, this Robert Mackey is, by sense & sensibility, and manifestly so, no more than a vulgar hack of the Wash Post & NY Times ilk, binge-eating and regurgitating and recycling so much of the low-grade info and trash that accumulates at the very bottom of the food-chain. And he would seem also, at that, to be no more than a fucking tosser, electively and blissfully afflicted by the current DNC- and MSM-induced putinoia.
He whinges and whines over how Wikileaks offers no facility for annotations and critiques to be submitted by readers apropos all the documents it publishes. But does the MSM, and does even The Intercept (cf. the Snowden cache), come to that? And this from a wanker who, it would seem, is so arrogant as not to feel any need to respond to any of the critiques of his detractors (here below). Does there exist any option for critical comments, elaborative annotations, and further input, I ask, at the US State Department Briefings website?
Mackey shoves down his foot on the gas when he indulges in a wild hypothetical fantasy — viz., the notion that one day, following its public dissemination, Wikileaks might find itself fooled by a “forgery”. Mightn’t that equally apply, but even more likely so, to the utterly gullible MSM? Remember the putative Hitler diaries, and the documents that seemingly testified to a love-affair (or menage-a-trois?) between Marilyn Monroe and JFK (and/or RFK?). Or, come to that, what about the chemical attack in Syria that brought the USA to the brink of war, a false-flag event whose true provenance and nature the US MSM has even still today to catch up on?
As Assange stresses, Wikileaks’ record as regards the authenticity of what it has published has been 100% impeccable. So let Mackey turn his hysterical attention henceforth to the MSM and the way just recently, e.g., it gullibly bought into and retailed the DNC’s nefarious falsehoods about Bernie Sanders & all the Bernie Bros.
As regards redactions, it has to be allowed that, with huge justification, Wikileaks is currently operating in a mode of affirmative action that is a consequence — albeit perhaps a somewhat reactive one — to the incontinent classification routinely perpetrated by governments worldwide in the interests of their own self-perpetuation. And as regards attempts by foreigners & outsiders to shape & influence election-outcomes, one need only reflect upon Obama’s recent visit to the UK in a vain attempt to blackmail & extort from the British plebs an anti-Brexit vote. Inasmuch as Assange, an Australian, has long been under threat by the US powers-that-be, then it would be perfectly understandable and excusable were he indeed to have some deeply vested interest in the forthcoming US election. On this, see Afshin Rattansi’s very recent extended (25 mins.) interview w/ Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London @ rt.com — click on “Shows” and find “Going Underground”.
What Julian Assange’s War on Blair, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. Says About Wikileaks — hear George Galloway’s excellent 13 mins. podcast interview with JA (July 8) re: the recent Chilcott Inquiry and the “political lethality” thereof @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbBLow2llrU
Re: JA’s alleged double-“rape” @ Sweden see “Sex, Lies & Julian Assange” (44 mins) @
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sex+lies+assange
DNC- and MSM-induced putinoia
This phrase should be turned into a meme to mock tptb and their fear-mongering. It should appear each and every. single. time. some neocon war-slurper reflexively regurgitates this shite.
And yes to all the rest. Well done.
Mock away … http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/06/opinion/for-putin-disinformation-is-power.html?emc=eta1
*via some liberal/progressive friends ~>with her.
ps. the petunias of putinoia are in full bloom @ NYT!
*via some liberal/progressive friends ~>with her.
Brother Bill acting up again? ;-}
ps. the petunias of putinoia are in full bloom @ NYT!
This is why you’re so special. You took toidiY sselesU’s brilliant mockery mot and one-upped it…..using a garden reference which, as you know, is the closest of things to my own heart.
Petunias of Putinoia it is. :-)
Yeah, great. But what really scares me is when things in the US will — likely before very long — reach the threshold of a full-blown (= blooming) putinoid psychosis. That’s when all the shit will really hit the fan, and worldwide at that. I just hope that’ll happen before HRC will ascend to the throne — better to have a wimp in power than that testosterstoned & sadistic maniac who unleashed all hell in Gaddafi’s Libya.
Be careful what you wish for!
Watch this Video, which focuses on Obama rather than HRC during the Libyan destruction. I’d bet on O’ having plenty of willing Psychos around, if the putinoid psychosis over-blooms, and overtakes the Wimp while untended personally, by the Anointed One…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHgGKl2FVUc
A system is only as good as its ability to (and desire to!) deal with bad data. Too often we see putative “evidence” of what we want to see, and are presented with “facts” meant to manipulate us that have little or no basis in the truth. The US itself has done this to go to war (contemptible), accuse countries of WMDs that do not exist, and provide movie studios with pseudoleaked data to make movies like Zero Dark Thirty. Statistics and facts are gamed all the time by tptb, especially when they come by things dishonestly, just like people get manipulated all the time. If all the world is a fishbowl, maybe Henry Rollins becomes society’s/individuals’ only appropriate and responsible choice?
Henry Rollins sounds like he’d be a lot saner choice than what we are being told we *must* vote for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiWHBn1O_6I
I would give a proverbial left nut for a John Cusack/Henry Rollins ticket. I have tried in my limited way to try to encourage something like this. We know what their stances are, and who doesnt like Cusack? He would be a brilliant politician for the people imho.
You’re talking about the ecology of information, and I very much wish to agree. Our problem, though, is that a poisonous pollutant, or even the omission of a vital ingredient — as in mendacity and/or a dissimulation; or, as in selective divulgation of the truth — takes, often enough, years & years to appear or to be discerned , if it ever even does at all. (Cf., e.g., COINTELPRO.) So, in the big picture, one major aspect of Assange & Wikileaks’ endeavor, to be greatly valued by all of us sentient beings, is his/its role in decontamination, replenishment , and restoration of the informational/historical environment — yes, as in ecology, and as in going Green with #JillNotHill.
Great overview of the real situation. This guy rather than the establishment lackey should be hired by the intercept to write on the wikileaks issue since he has a realistic view of the situation and can’t be accused of being an establishment hack.
I’m certainly available for hire but — caveat! — should declare that I am liable to allegations of msitimeS-itnA despite my unholy reverence for the yloh dna suoethgir Mordecai Vanunu, Simone Zimmerman, Daniel Ellsberg, Phyllis Bennis, Gideon Levy, Hillary Mann Leverett, Glenn Greenwald, Jill Stein, Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Max Blumenthal, Lori Wallach, Norman Finkelstein, Paula Schlier, Leonard Cohen, Robert Zimmerman, Michael Rattner (+), Thomas Szasz (+), et cetera …
Even if you would protect your idol at any cost, I am a bit surprised you didn’t know about this back and forth between Glenn. Poitras, Assange and Appelbaum. This is what I am talking about:
I totally agree with Assange on that one.
Glenn has very explicitly stated:
Funny thing is that Glenn and other “respectful” “professional” individuals talk about this as if they were noble, morally grounded principles, when those are just “gentlemen agreements”.
USG and the NSA have been working hard at making people believe it is computers, technology to be blamed for spying on people, that they, physically and morally speaking, dwell in a different kind of reality we the proles don’t/shouldn’t have access to, so even the “interpretations” of that kind of reality should be off-limits to “We the people”. The funny thing is that politicians talk to us in that same way as if they were doing us a favor, with their self-servingly paternalistic b#llsh!t. Also, I am sure Glenn and like-minded individuals know well about COINTELPRO and MK-Ultra, in which a vast number of academic institutions in the U.S. and Canada participated non of which was ever prosecuted because they were protected by “privacy rights” and “gentlemen agreements”.
John Oliver in his masterful Anthropology explained to Snowden and Greenwald that you must talk to people in a language they understand, otherwise you are being disrespectful to them.
// __ Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Government Surveillance (HBO)
youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
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Just two comedians, “The Yes men”, have been way more successful at dumping their sh!t on USG’s face; making them angrily, yet publicly, articulate and accept their wrong doings by themselves and change.
// __ The Yes Men Fix The World, P2P Edition FULL MOVIE (2009) (w/subtitles)
youtube.com/watch?v=OazUh0Ym8rc
youtube.com/user/yeslabmedia
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and the yes men do this without standing on the way of truth and having no sugar daddy’s tits to suck on.
… “a right to ‘privacy'”? What are you talking about? Do you mean “a right to entertain illusions about that thing they used to call ‘privacy'”?
If I understand you to any extent, those are the very same people who have deprived humanity at large of “privacy” and they are using their “privacy” to 8x the genocide of Nazi Germany during WWII, protect corrupt bankers, companies and institutions; while spying and messing with NGO’s and civil and social justice organizations that have nothing to do with terrorism and such things.
Yes, I respect Glenn and Snowden, but Assange and the Yes men are my kind of niggahs. You must get on their faces. We have enough “responsibility” by the New York Times, FOX news and all those kinds of cr@ppy Western media outlets already.
People do notice sh!t! We have all been noticing how TheIntercept has been gradually, slowly going down the toilet. “We the people” don’t care about “responsibility” and those kinds of “give them cake” issues such as so-called “privacy”. It is not like theIntercept is incapable of understanding what “we the people” want. They have published before articles about that insufferably moronic “Socrates of the NSA” (just that concept would sound really strange to anyone who knows who Socrates was and has a healthy sense of reality, do they also have a “St. Francis as part of their torture gangs?”). However, their being able to conceptualize such a construct as the “Socrates of the NSA” clearly shows how deep into their @ss they have their minds. TI also published an article about that British “professional psychologist” lady (name included) who was protecting her rear end behind “confidentiality agreements” and lawyers, again a really awkward way to understand the scientific method.
In their latest installment they published a silly strip teasing act from another NSA @ssh0l3, but they didn’t allow comments from us at all (the first time I have noticed that at TI)
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/28/he-was-a-hacker-for-the-nsa-and-he-was-willing-to-talk-i-was-willing-to-listen/
So, now, at TI those “innocent” NSA employees not only get “protection” while they talk, but we are supposedly seen but not heard!
Even the shills that would constantly try to mess with us, our comments have taken a leisurable approach to it after noticing themselves how TI has changed to the point of “status”:”hold”(ing) our comments
truth and peace and love,
RCL
https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/theintercept-com-20160806-accusing-wikileaks-assange-bias/
Also, -Mona- about your constant attacks on “people with mental problems”, let’s not even go into that, let’s concentrate on what you consider to be “important” issues.
RCL
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Surely if the US is serious about its Kleptocracy Initiatives and the Civil Forfeiture Laws the Department of Justice would by now have heard and seen enough material to convince them that Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barak Obama and the Democratic Party’s assets need to be forfeited.
After all the principle behind the the Kleptocracy Initiative upon which the Civil Forfeiture Law stands is based upon the following:
“The Kleptocracy Initiative draws on Civil Forfeiture Law, under which the Justice Department must show ‘by a preponderance of the evidence’ that assets it seeks to confiscate are linked to criminal acts. The unit has a mandate to ferret out illicit assets belonging to “high-level” foreign officials and return them to victim countries “.
The DOJ has attempted to bully a smaller nation like Malaysia that refuses to bow down to Hillary’s designs for another spring like Libya and Syria so the DOJ uses the Kleptocracy initiative without sufficient evidence to back the allegations of corruption in order to forfeit the assets of the Malaysian sovereign fund.
In order for the world to respect the integrity of our laws, we have to show them that the rule of law prevails in the US and anyone suspected of doing the same thing (like ferreting across international borders $400 million in a mix of currencies) to Iran outside of the international banking system, will likewise be brought to justice having their assets first confiscated before a trial. What Obama did is money laundering.
I see you have chosen gonorrhea, bob.
*I plan to remain pure and chaste this election … and drink plenty of fresh water.
I see you have chosen gonorrhea, bob.
Yes, and he should be more careful in his choices. Cholera remains a highly treatable disease. Gonorrhea on the other hand is rapidly becoming untreatable, the main weapons against it having been frivolously squandered due to ignorance and the rampant pursuit of profit.
Chelsea Manning tried to kill herself in prison.
Edward Snowden had to flee the country.
Julian Assange is in lock down for trumped up rape charges.
Obama continues to kill innocent people in foreign countries with impunity.
The Clintons continue to violate laws that send others to jail.
This is the best Mackey can do? The U.S. media have become actually hostile to other reporters telling the truth or protecting their sources.
Thank god it hasn’t turned into wikipedia. Wikipedia hardly provides any opposition to any western government narrative. Wikipedia prides itself in being “mainstream” and has a host of “editors” who quickly deletes any attempt at providing an opposition narrative.
And this article is about making Assange a bad image.
Clearly he stated is against bastards. Clearly he stated both candidates are full of sh it. And, clearly the world is aware how much dirt and corruption is hidden behind the curtains of the White House. Which, in the end, does not help any of us living on this planet. Faking truth, we f ck everything.
It’s funny how this article says that Wikileaks is attacking Mrs. Bill Clinton when you look on the opposite side of the political spectrum one has to realize that the entire Mainstream Media with the exception of very few are constantly attacking and trying to undermine Donald Trump. Talk about unfair and totally bias and also goes against everything “Free Press” originally stood for in the writing of our Constitution. The Media was supposed to be an outlet where everyday Americans could look to in order to get facts in a fair and esteemed manner. Those days are long gone and it’s a terrible shame. We as the “American People” need to wake up and realize what is going on. As far as the current Administration is concerned this “Obama-Nation” ABOMINATION is totally out of control. I don’t care what the Media tries to say in regards to this current President Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, I don’t believe for a second that his Approval Rating is 54%. I know a lot of people, I have many many friends both Republican and Democrat, Tea Party to Greenies. Blacks, White, Hispanics, and Asian Americans and out of everyone that I know they feel that Barack Obama has done the worst job of any President they’ve ever seen in their lives, he is EXTREMELY WEAK, he lacks any sense of Leadership, he tells BOLD FACE LIES right to our faces and we accept it! it’s truly an outrage!! And I have every right to complain about it, and it’s not coming from a racial standpoint either because I voted for him not ONCE but TWICE as did so many other Americans who have literally been let down on the highest level. I would LOVE to see CNN “Clinton News Network” take a poll in inner city Chicago, Obama’s Hometown by the way, and see how his approval rating is going there!! LAUGHABLE!!! I seriously believe that Obama has brain damage, or just really hates America! Probably both and his actions prove it. I dislike the way he attacks Christianity every chance he gets while apologizes for and praises ISLAM. It’s a total joke folks, and we need to be more aware and more cautious in this upcoming election. This isn’t just a Presidential Election of someone taking office for 4 years, this election will also determine who we place in the Supreme Court for over the next 40 years! 40 YEARS!!! Could you imagine if we allowed Hillary Clinton to appoint Supreme Court Justices!?!?! You can literally kiss your 2nd amendment rights goodbye, probably your freedom of speech rights as well, along with your freedom of Religion rights too. Hell while we’re at it let’s just assume that the US Constitution will probably be rewritten to her standards. Something is rotten in the State of Denmark and it can be directly linked to Bill, Hillary, and Obama… The far left Democrats along with their Political Correctness are rotting our once Great Nation from within. This whole entire thing stinks to high heaven, I worry about the future of my children. I worry about the future of your children, I worry about the future of every Man, Woman, and Child in America. Call me a “Conspiracy Theorist” I also find that label to be hilarious when in fact just about every single “Conspiracy Theory” turns out to be true. If you take a look back to about oh 58 years ago the original “Conspiracy Theorist” was a great, noble, and honorable man by the name of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, who just 11 days after giving a speech about the dangers of “Secret Societies” in America had his brains blown out.. CONSPIRACY MUCH!?!?!? Meanwhile in our current society we’ve got a man in office, who thank GOD is soon to be out the door, HALLELUJAH! Who does his absolute best to smear our Constitution, Laws, Tradition, Morals, Ethics, and Values.. Stay Sober, Mindful, and Vigilant EVERYONE… This year in 2016 when you go to the voting booths vote using your conscious.. If you’re an older person remember your Parents or Grandparents who’ve past away, or your Fathers or Grandfathers who have fought and served for our Country in WAR in order to preserve our Freedoms which are being taken away from us all. Think about who they would vote for, we can’t allow someone who doesn’t know how to tell the truth into the Oval Office, it just simply can’t be allowed to happen. I LOVE YOU ALL and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
This is a bad article. Why? Mackey is attacking Assange, a man who has been rotting in the Ecuadorian embassy in London for the past 5 years, in declining health, basically imprisoned there for leaking documents revealing war crimes in Iraq/Afghanistan/Middle East, exposing State department gross malfeasance–and now emails revealing that the DNC deliberately threw the DNC primary to Clinton. Seems to me like Assange has done a great deal on the behalf of the public interest to show how totally corrupt the US government and pentagon war machine have become. Where the American mainstream media has utterly, deliberately failed the public, Wikileaks came forward and told us what was really going on. Take for example the Chelsea Manning provided attack helicopter video that Assange made public: it is a damning video showing an trigger happy apache helicopter crew deliberately killing unarmed civilians in Baghdad, then killing children in a rescue van, and laughing and joking about it. A war crime by any measure, thanks to Assange and Manning this video was made public: both Manning and Assange have paid the price for their public service, one is in an American military gulag and the other basically imprisoned in an Embassy (for 5 years!). And here, Mackey is actually questioning Assange’s motifs? Mackey is upset that Assange is digging up a little dirt on Clinton? He’s actually trotting out the ‘what if the Russians had given Assange bad intel to smear Clinton’? As if Clinton is some poor victim who needs Mr. Mackey’s help against the big, bad Assange? Mr Mackey seems to have a very odd mindset when it comes to selecting topics worth writing about. Epic fail dude.
The puppets of the corrupt establishment have infiltrated the intercept just take a look at the first paragraph of this article. When the spotlight of criminality and corruption hits the usa, their gullible operatives will do anything to ameliorate for their tyrants cloaked in democracy while subverting not just democracy but the constitutional statutues of the rule of law that were not give by any government to begin.
Even as an attack article, it’s still quite even-handed enough to offer good advice. With the amount of forgers and satirists making their bones continually fooling mainstream press with ever more insane stories about Trump (or the infamous “Incontinent Hillary” doctored photograph, or turning spree shooters into bronies) it’s something Assange has to really keep an eye on. Once you know how even a handful of internal memos look, forging authentic-looking back&forth communication would be simple to people masquerading as actual journalists.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/09/17/2638361/feminists-hack-playboy/
http://fusion.net/story/154553/how-a-16-year-old-tricked-the-new-york-times-into-reporting-that-dylann-roof-was-a-my-little-pony-fan/
https://nextgenerationblogs.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/how-i-screwed-with-the-biggest-news-outlet-in-the-world/ (While he didn’t take the time to create a fake tumblr page, both livejournal and tumblr allow backdating of posts which can be used to generate false histories)
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/29/feminist-blog-the-mary-sue-fooled-by-hoaxer/
so it’s definitely something that people are gonna try to pass, especially with the amount of funding Correct The Record is pumping already into fake sites ‘absolving’ Clinton of any wrongdoing. There’s a handful even posing as “authentic Hondurans” claiming that Zelaya would have become the South American Stalin (which is utterly laughable in the face of how many people the CURRENT government she aided is killing) in order to give post-justification for the coup! Watch out for those gals. One thing to note is how often they don’t respond to Spanish, especially slang. You’ll only get beginner responses, just enough to ‘prove’ they know it. (Probably all first-year college students)
If I was a journalist, I’d hate wikileaks too.
I mean, releasing so much raw information, instead of putting that information into a left/right/biased article must be really frustrating.
Back to character assassinations I guess.
It is astounding to me that immediately after a primary rife with election fraud, voter suppression, bullying tactics, threats, intimidation, and lying to the public by an entire political party on behalf of Hillary Clinton, this article is printed suggesting that Assange has ulterior motives. Journalism is dead and the msm fails us daily. It’s as corrupt as the candidate is glorifies.
Here is one man trying to get the truth out to an angry, disenfranchised public; a public beginning to see who the real Hillary Clinton. And for his efforts, which are nothing short of heroic, he has to be turned into a monster.
If you all in the media did your jobs, recognized your responsibilities to the public, perhaps he wouldn’t have to do this at all. But no. Instead of real journalism, real investigative reporting, we get entire news networks dictated to by the likes of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Pathetic.
I am sickened by the ugly hateful attacks on Robert Mackey for raising questions about Assange. If Assange wanted to help the Sanders campaign (which I supported) why didn’t he leak much earlier. If anyone saw the documentary about him “Wikileaks” done by award winning Alex Gibney, you would know that Assange has a long history of being a loner, firing his closest and most loyal staff member, etc. Greenwald helped make the movie about Snowden and get him to safety. He was retaliated personally for doing this. I think the Intercept is an excellent source of news and appreciate one of the few sites that is giving us an anti-corporate perspective.
I know. I feel sad for Mr Mackey and hope he learns and never again writes such worthless articles.
I just hope the Hiliary campaign will compensate him adequately for his hurt and humiliation.
Assange nor his agenda isnt the issue here and Ad Hominem attacks are not convincing arguments.
This article is a thinly-disguised attack in the planned war on Wikileaks by the Hillary Clinton supporting establishment which is seemingly very worried that Wikileaks might possess and leak very incriminating Hillary Clinton emails that would make it impossible for her to be the POTUS.
To this end, the article builds up by using false arguments and then predicts a possibility that a future Wikileaks leak against Hillary might be tainted with tampered, forged or fake documents specially intended to derail Hillary and the US Presidential election.
More leaks from Wikileaks incriminating Hillary is a real possibility and this article is propaganda planted in advance intended to be used later to “doubt” the genuineness of such a future leak. There is a phrase for this tactic but I cannot recall it at the moment.
I can bet they are planning something that will take over all news channels when the next set of leaks are published. The best may be some singular accomplishment, like droning of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi. At worst it can be something very sinister, which I think they will try to avoid since it will swing the moods towards Trump.
Assange must publish the leaks in installments and with a few days gaps so that his expose is not swamped out by a noise generator.
Assange should publish them all as soon as possible. If the emails incriminate Hillary, the sooner they are out the better, so that the Democrats can find a substitute for Hillary as their candidate.
And if the emails are incriminating then even a big diversion will not save Hillary.
The attention span of groups of people is three weeks. Anything earlier than three weeks will lose its sting in the election. That said, Assange must allow for some time to avoid planned distractions. So October first week starting of the leaks would be ideal. The Hillary campaign is also aware of the timing, so that allows them time to plan a counter.
This crude attempt by Mackey has backfired. I have never seen any writer so universally condemned. They will have to do better. Maybe this was a test case to figure out how people may react to this kind of crap.
” I have never seen any writer so universally condemned. …
Maybe this was a test case to figure out how people may react to this kind of crap.”
This is a click-bait piece. Look at the number of comments.
Traffic is traffic. I’m sure that is the metric that runs TI these days.
Thanks to Betsy Reed for her undying efforts to torpedo this place.
I can see a lot of negative comments here from everybody, so I am very tremulous about putting forth a good word for Robert Mackey. But I will try.
I think this is thoroughly unfair to Mr Mackey. The editor is the person who should be blamed for this fiasco. She should have sent this article to the shredder. Instead, she sent Mr Mackey’s valuable reputation to the shredder and this worthless article to the printer.
There! Amen!
“she sent Mr Mackey’s valuable reputation to the shredder and this worthless article to the printer.”
HAha!
The comments are comedy gold.
Perhaps Mackey is doing comedy, now. Hillarity seems to be his bag these days.
Subtly sowing the seeds of doubt. A case of patricide if ever I saw one, the intercept is an offshoot of a branch of the movement from which Wikileaks was the fountainhead. Snowden, Greenwall and Mackay would all be falling on deaf ears if it wasn’t for Assange- let’s not forget that. He turned-on the entire movement into something that had credibility in the eyes of the world, before him you were all just a bunch of kooks in your basements. Wikileaks catapulted you from obscurity, and it’s best you not forget that.
When the entire hedgemonic establishment gets behind a single candidate, and fully opposed to another, it becomes perfectly clear what a humanity yearning for liberty must do. To think that Assange has no agenda is also ridiculous, we all have interests, it is the nature of man, to deny this would be to deny humanity – and what is more is he states it quite explicitly in his manifesto. He is against subversive government. It’s at this stage that I feel I must also be quite explicit, he is referring to the current rulers, the guys that sent Obama to give a speech about opposing brexit and guys that put Obama himself in power, and are trying there utmost to have Hillary continue the same hedgemonic line of rule. A candidate who can legitimately take on this monolithic subversive beast must be supported. I believe Assange can see this, and hopefully, so will all of you.
What a terrible article, spin harder you pundit whore!
finally, the focus should NOT be how Assange obtained the emails. the entire focus should be on the content and its accuracy.
this is like asking a rape victim why she wore that skirt and putting on makeup implying the skirt and makeup has something to do with the rape.
we should focus on verifying the emails, if true, Assange’s motivation or means of obtaining the leaks is irrelevant. this is Journalism 101? not?
So, Julian Assange is unlawfully imprisoned and virtually tortured (denied a right for a walk outside, for example) by the psychopathic monsters Hillary Clinton represents and embodies but somehow he should be impartial and as fair and balance oriented Mr. Mackey?
“First they came for Assange…” is a look back at this stinking disgrace Mackey uses as a footnote for his righteous indignation:
https://medium.com/@romanlatkovic/first-they-came-for-assange-a7cfc8d49c78#.5bk44icbb
Assange is indispensable to investigative journalism. he may be unconventional. without him, powerful people can hide or mass delete and the truth will never be known. i am surprised the media was very quiet when FBI disclosed Hillary deleted 33,000 emails. i thought destroying evidence is a crime? not?
You fools would be cheering if the target of Assange’s doc dump would be some republican or conservative. You cheer on Bradley/Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden. You love journalist who work overtime to ferret out nasties on your political enemies. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it is suddenly “unfair.” I think the American people deserve to know what kind of nefarious Eva Peron we are going to get if Hillary gets elected. You Alinsky types would be cheering and protecting the “hero” who dumps on the evil republican. I love observing the hypocrisy!
Are we sure Mr. Mackey is not working from the Ministry of Truth?
An article modeled straight out of Alinsky’s Rules. 13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.” (Also, Mackey’s routine cherry picking.)
Fact: it doesn’t matter whom publishes a book or in this case, documents, nor their reasons for doing so. Only the author (s), and the reader’s perceptions matter. Its very clear WHO the authors are. And it wasn’t the hacker(s) or the Russians (: .
Blaming the messenger. Yuck. And isn’t that what the Freedom of the Press group is 100% against?
Julian is just such old news. Let him stay locked up in London, it’s fitting.
Transparency / Democracy / Accountability ..
.. have all fallen by the way side, courtesy of the most corrupt, the least legitimate, terrorism sponsor, the White House/Pentagon regime.
The TI specialist in fair and balanced tweeting weighs in — lamely.
How dare Assange specifically target a confirmed war criminal and unrepentant bankster whore who would have him under “special securiry measures” at ADX Florence in a cold-ass heartbeat if she had the chance?!?!?
And how dare he suggest that it doesn’t much matter whether Killary or Drumpf gets the starring role in the Kabuki production, despite the fact that it doesn’t make a dime’s fucking worth of difference?
Assange’s attacks are ill-tempered, narcissistic, and part of the USSR’s plot to rig US elections. He’s so mean. And why doesn’t he work on his tan? What’s up with that?
The poor, innocent and defenseless HRC Corp. deserves every decent American’s sympathy and vote.
Yes, leave her alone. She’s only a corporate hack in liberal disguise (CHILD).
Them Bad Boys Putin and Assange forced poor old Hillary and the DNC to cheat on Sanders.
Yep Hillary, let’s blame the Russians for the hack – that shows our voters that we mean business…. and the Russians can’t do a shoot about it…
Very “clever” approach…..
I pity the people who bought this crap.
Shame. I had thought the Intercept above Yellow Journalism. Great way to throw away a reputation by allowing this sort of story to run…and run down the reputation of The Intercept.
This article is kind of boring. Reporting should not ever be dispassionate. Mackey has fallen for the “balanced” approach to reporting. This doesn’t exist and if he’s trying this, then I won’t be reading anything from him again.
Is Mackey a Hillary C. fan-boy then? Assange can voice whatever he wants to; there are many who were thinking and writing about the same things he has – he is not a neutered.
I’m afraid that Mackey should write a self-criticism in the form of an article against himself. His rant here just shows how biased and “against” Assange he is. Good on Assange for uncovering dirt on the DNC. Why doesn’t Mackey go do some real investigative reporting instead of ganging up on a reporter who is?
Pure gold. Couldn’t have said it better. Not going to – everyone read this comment..
Oh please; Assange and WikiLeaks has been so screwed over by Government(s); the MSM; the banksters refusing to process donations. WikiLeaks does not have a rich “Sugar daddy” like the Intercept who could pull the plug at any minute he pleases (so don’t displease him, I like yer stuff). I expect WikiLeaks and The Intercept to be an “Opposition” to the establishment propaganda. All the information out there on the net is as useless as all the guns the American public has; it fails to get change for the long suffering working class who have mostly bought the elite propaganda since Pharaoh was spouting it. How many people understand how the “financial system” really works? Damn few. Henry Ford once said there would be a revolution happen very soon if the people knew how they were being screwed over by the parasites in finance. Last I checked; WikiLeaks never murdered anyone, never invaded anyone, never supported Oligarchies or compliant dictators; does not have military bases around the world who can deal death and destruction to anyone not submitting to the Hegemon. In a way, WikiLeaks is showing government and corporate filth like the omnipresent cell phone videos are showing the “Justice on the streets” meted out by those who serve and protect the system. Do you believe cops any more? Politicians? Religious leaders? Any authority figure (you know, the corruption thing). Ambitious people are dangerous; career people suck and stab in the back for their careers. No; I’ll take Assange with all his warts over the wall St. war monger who would put Lady Macbeth to shame. No one knows what Trump would do or could do but we have a record on (We came, we saw, he died…laugh) & enough is enough.
Edward Snowden has achieved what? Nothing, really. The spying continues, albeit in a modified form. The bad guys knew whatever Snowden wanted to expose, and probably a lot more that he didn’t expose. And worst is Angela Merkel had to pretend to be indignant for a few days, and then it was back to business as usual. The rest of the folks either didn’t even bother or weren’t having the luxury to even protest. Clapper continues to clap his way to glory.
What did Assange achieve? A whole lot in comparison.
That is why redaction of evidence achieves little. Once you tamper with evidence it is worthless. Other that free education and increased attempt at futile encryption Snowden can claim very little success. Yet he goes on to criticize Assange. Very sad situation.
Yeah, see, reading those tweets didnt seem like they were at each others’ throats to me. Or are you suggesting people cant have differences of opinion? Or that people cant have good qualities yet differ in their approaches? Actually, heterogeneity in most things in life is the healthiest choice. This article skewed much and serves as a reminder of how important parsing data oneself is, and how valuable deliberation is. Other than that it is pretty much a typical Mackey opinion piece.
Disagreements are usually settled in private between people known to each other. Friends go public with their tweets when they intend to spread the disagreement among their supporters. This is what happened here, like it or not.
If Snowden has achieved so little than why are Western politicians so upset at him?
Who’s upset and why? And what is the benefit, if any, of anyone getting upset to the rest of the people?
People are really upset as this shows a lack of discipline in the NSA community, that someone should reveal secrets. It creates a precedence for others to follow and that may cause harm. Other than this there is nothing about Snowden’s expose that has any merit. Not a single conviction, not a single person lost his job, save maybe the guy who was supposed to supervise Snowden.
That’s not entirely true. Snowden showed the majority of the American people what was actually happening behind closed doors. How could you expect a conviction when the attorney general and the FBI which protects the establishment players are all basically the same person. It has contributed to an increasing (and well earned) distrust of the government, especially the CIA/NSA/FBI who appear to be running the country sometimes, or at least have way too much power. it’s just that right now, most people living in America still have lives that are secure and well off compares to the rest of the world and won’t risk losing it all in a violent revolution. It’ll take a lot more snowden type revelations and a much worse situation in America to make the decision to revolt a logical one.
Just name one good thing that has happened after you learned what Snowden had to say. One conviction, one resignation, one sacking, one apology (except Obama to Merkel, which was a drama). A little less surveillance perhaps? You have to be kidding. It’s a lot more intense today than when Snowden took flight.
This may at least in part be true, but it is ridiculous to put the blame on anyone but who deserves it, and in fact it was highly educational. This actually is one of the basic societal risks and rewards of black box testing very very black systems: one cannot always predict the outcome but seeing the outcome provides valuable data on the system that one might not otherwise get to have, even if it does come at great cost. With great power comes great responsibilty (h/t) but our innate difficulty seems to be uniting when tptb put so much effort into keeping us divided and encouraging and causing rifts. We the People have the POTENTIAL to be powerful enough to evince change. The problem is how easily that can be subverted or outright used — and that testing a system for one weakness might reveal another (or several others); conversely it cannot (maybe ever) be considered to be fully secured against every attack just because you have uncovered several. Nor is discovery without its risks or always predictable. We learned a lot about O Rings but only after a shuttle went down, for instance, and only because Feynman looked at all the pieces and understood a fair bit about materials science (and strength of materials in particular).
The western politicians, on the right, are upset over transgendered people urinating in privacy and science being taught in science class. The western politicians on the left are upset about invisible microaggressions and whether Taco Bell is cultural appropriation.
They’re wimps. And not the affable, pleasant, Walter Mitty kind. They’re wimps who moonlight as bullies. The more trivial someone’s offense, the more loudly western politicians denounce it. Serious offenses get light rebukes couched in diplomatic doublespeak. Trivial offenses trigger calls for life imprisonment and the gallows.
Putin commits assassinations and the responses range from admiration to weak comments about how he’s not nice or inquiries into his place on the autistic spectrum. Meanwhile, a black twenty something speeds in a school zone and she gets shot or disappeared while people politely debate whether she did something to somehow deserve it or whether the police made a “serious error”.
A “serious error” is when Applebee’s loses your reservation. When police start shooting people in misdemeanor investigations and engaging in aggressive broken window law enforcement, people in authority should be placed behind bars. Somebody smoking pot or speeding or selling loose cigarettes should get an affordable ticket and a fine. Putin’s head should be on a pike. Minor infractions generate insane outrage and serious infractions get treated as the norm.
Putin’s a bad dude, sure enough, but he’s a marked improvement over what was there prior. At least if you’re Russian. Ukrainian…probably not. He was one of the few in a position to shatter the old USSR oligarchy. It’s been replaced with his own, but again, an improvement over breadlines and unbacked local currency. Current footing is on pre-war USSA levels, and it’d be stupid for ANYONE to attack him (hint hint: hellery) because the economy is geared towards and expecting to profit from a major ‘hot’ war. All the best recent conventional weapon development is coming out of there, or China (submersible carriers!), and the best thing to do is stay out of the damn way and encourage them to spend it all on each other.
This could be validly written about The Intercept:
“IN RECENT MONTHS, The Intercept has started to look more like the stream of an opposition research firm working mainly to undermine Donald Trump than the updates of a non-partisan platform for investigative journalism.”
Similar statements could be issued for CNN and the NYT.
Robert Mackey and Juan Thompson are from the same school. Both make up stories without bothering to carry out a reality check. Unfortunately for Juan Thompson, he was a BLM bloke and he got into conflict with one of the new and regular type Intercept editors, so he got sacked.
Robert Mackey, do you have the slightest idea that the phrase “a non-partisan platform for whistleblowers” at the beginning of you article expresses an oxymoron? Damn right a whistleblower is partisan! Partisan against corruption!
Glad to know the intercept still stands as the arbiters of the truth
Mr. Mackey is correct to point out the grave danger of a news organization dedicated to exposing injustice. How are the powerful supposed to act with impunity, if wretches like Mr. Assange keep calling them to account?
The root problem is the concept of diplomatic immunity, which allows news organizations to set up their operations inside of embassies. Perched safely on a balcony, they can lob insults at inspirational leaders such as Mrs. Clinton. Thankfully, there are journalists such as Mr. Mackey to provide balance.
You forgot to include David Gregory among the balancing folks ….. our friend Greenwald loves him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDmqJ6W3FoI
LOL! Well said :-)
hey Robert, I would totally admire and respect you and your article, if only you had contributed at least 1/1000th of what assange has. if you prefer to utilize your time, to write negatively about assange, and not to find dirt on the side assange is opposing, then you are losing my interest. i heard fox news has a job opening.
I think MSNBC would be his brand.
It’s disappointing how babyish so many commenters are about mild criticisms of their heroes, whoever their heroes happen to be.
Not just this article, it’s all fucking rah rah how dare you criticize _____? Are you working for ____? So and so is voldemort. Why don’t you spend all the time criticizing voldemort? the intercept has gone downhill because it won’t tell me only what I want to hear.
so many babyish readers
The criticism in this article is m i l d criticism. It is not harsh criticism. It is not unconstructive criticism. It is not condemnation. It is m i l d criticism.
So true. Those speaking up for Wikileaks and down to the comfortably compromised should be following the example set by the DNC and its shills here at Ody’s Place, right Mr. Perry? The herd has been so grown up about getting caught with its diapers down. I do look forward to witnessing how adults behave in the next round.
Yeah, you are overreacting to mild criticism that is mixed with plenty of positive statements about wikileaks.
Comparing it to what the DNC would say is bananas, man. Just not even the same kind of thing.
Have some standards, yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Have a sense of proportion and perspective.
I am sure your verbose copy/pasted perspectives after your next diaper change will be just as uninteresting.
Standards. Vic Perry. Fuck.
You clearly don’t understand how this works.
You see Assange is part of the team, so by definition he is beyond reproach.
Holding people to high standards is only for those not on the team, as the massive amount of hypocrisy emanating from this comment section clearly demonstrates.
exactly, brian. It is both expected and depressing to watch.
Says more about the fact that you think exposing her and those around her for criminals is an “attack” than it does him.
hasn’t it gotten to a point of just someone please, peel back the layers of nontransparent and abusive corruption. Should we really consider degrees of which power and privilege can triangulate or pivot the narrative.
The DNC instance (just one of so many) has the electorate, for the most part, forgetting altogether how complicit this candidate is with duplicity.
The historical and current Clinton anti-democratic policy, practice and procedures has heaped a considerable amount of misery on the population and not just U.S.
After all, it was those progressive claiming Clintons who designed the disaster taking place in our working class.
The shrinking of the social safety net and deregulation, desupervision, decriminalization of big business was advanced by the Clintons and their allies.
The explosion of criminal sentencing (incarceration nation, no incentive to restore prisoners), the Rubinites (named for longtime deregulatory ally, NAFTA cheerleader) Treasury Secretary/Citibank acting CEO and Senior councilor, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, or the killing of Glass-Steagall—it’s also the 1994 Communications Act that deregulated the media, all Clinton initiatives and conquests proving disastrous and leading to the Great Recession.
They’re loyal devotees seem intellectually incapable of recognizing that their beloved champion is a full-regalia, power and privilege, plutocrat.
All along, the mainstream media’s representation of Hillary is as one of history’s greatest champions of progressive causes. This leaves out altogether the “humanitarian” hawkish bluster that has fueled conflict (and weapons sales) over much of the planet.
This is also not in any way an endorsement of a fascist leaning buffoon either.
the argument doesn’t even make any sense! this journalist has serious “in the public interest” versus “of the public interest” personal issues to work through.
it’s probably a good thing he didn’t attempt to do something more useful, like deconstruct for us “what the DNC leaks say about ‘democracy’ in the US”; who knows to which blind alley that analysis would have led.
this kind of sloppy journalism/failed critique/Twitter feed tautology is exactly why we need organizations like Wikileaks now more than ever
Thank you for this article. My wife and I gave heavily to Wikileaks in its early years, diverting money from Democracy Now, (we’ve had dinner with Amy Goodman), Doctors Without Borders and Antiwar. In fact, we gave them so much money that we believe we may have been investigated, including a government helicopter buzzing our house for fifteen minutes or longer around the time of the Afghanistan surge. Let’s put it mildly, we were wrong, dead wrong. We now believe Mr. Assange should be removed from the Ecuadoran Embassy and made to face rape charges he’s fleeing from among other things. He cares nothing for our Constitution, he has abrogated 4th Amendment rights of multiple citizens, and he’s willing help get Mr. Trump elected on behalf of Putin and to serve the needs of his own petty ego, the rest of the world be damned. We are sickened by the amount of money we gave this criminal. We wish we could get it back.
I don’t believe you have the history you describe. You’ve been here shilling for Hillary Clinton for weeks and are a hack and liar.
thank you for saying what we all think, but are too lazy to waste our time on.
Mona, I think you have it right. The bullshit so-called rape charges are a dead giveaway that this is a troll of some sort. There are no rape charges. The original prosecutor in the case declined to proceed, and a politically motivated prosecutor stepped in. They have had every opportunity to interview Assange, but refused. They would rather keep him locked up, smear him, and grandstand than be revealed for the politically motivated good little puppets of US Fascists that they are. Pathetic.
shit for brains
You might consider taking up reading lots of quality fiction in order to learn how to write fiction. Your fiction writing skills are abysmal to non-existent.
So “they” scared you and your wife pretty good, eh?
Hellery cares nothing about our Constitution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV2NZ9MQh0w
she oughta be charged and tried for treason
I don’t understand. Why you think you were wrong about Assange? What changed your mind?
pathetic
Arg. Sorry for double post. The comment didn’t appear, and kept saying I couldn’t post, as “You already posted that comment.” So I rewrote and posted it again.
Mackey says this:
” (I know this from first-hand experience, having been denounced by @wikileaks last month for pointing to a factual error in one of the group’s tweets about a DNC email.)”
He gives no link – possibly because the factual error was his own – and it was shown to him by several people on Twitter. (My prize for that: a block by Mackey.)
https://twitter.com/LitThom/status/757084775320551424
” (I know this from first-hand experience, having been denounced by @wikileaks last month for pointing to a factual error in one of the group’s tweets about a DNC email.)”
No surprise R Mackey doesn’t give a link for that – as the factual error was his own – and it was shown to him by several people on Twitter. My prize for that: a block by Mackey.
https://twitter.com/LitThom/status/757084775320551424
I made the same objection. Mackey is just wrong there. Probably the only reason he didn’t block me is because he already had a few years ago when he got into some spat with Glenn, and I agreed with Glenn. He unblocked me at my request when he came here.
He’s extremely good on the Israel-Palestine issue, no doubt because he’s apparently Irish and they have long sympathized with Palestinians. But he’s mighty darned prickly and that claim about Wikileaks is just over-the-top.
I mean it’s just indisputable about the “factual error” thing. Mackey attributed remarks by one person in the email conversation to the *entire conversation*. It’s just lazy and dumb. No need to not correct that and move on.
Also: Betsy Reed should be taken to task for that. Editor should catch factual errors.
Editors catch BLM type folks like Juan Thompson, then they go blame police folks for doing the same. Shame!
“Also: Betsy Reed should be taken to task for that. Editor should catch factual errors.”
Betsy Reed is a piece of work; working for someone else.
it’s always the editor.
Betsy’s first weeks here resulted in book reviews by an ex-CIA lawyer who dismissed casually NSA spying as “not illegal” and another book review where, again casually, we learn “Abu Graib was the result of a few bad actors.”
I mean, WTF? Who thought (thinks) Betsy was (is) a positive addition?
She’s superb. Glenn Greenwald also thinks so as he’s made clear in several interviews. She’s brought prestigious awards and fine writers here, and also shepherded The Intercept Brazil into existence.
The difference in quality since John Cook left and Reed took over is almost impossible to overstate. The series on foreign money in U.S. politics is her latest enormous and superb contribution to the high quality material offered here since she took over.
“The series on foreign money in U.S. politics is her latest enormous and superb contribution …”
Foreign money on amounts such as 1.5 million …
Israeli-First! billionaires are buying American politicians.
Glenn did an excellent piece on Congress giving Israel guaranteed $50 billion dollar loans. Poof.
Hey! The Chinese and a few million dollars!!!!
Thx, Betsy.
Characterizing those stories in that manner simply demonstrates your incompetence to assess Betsy Reed’s professional performance.
Do you know what the Pareto principle is?
It is pointless to piss around with million dollar bribes from foreigners when an American billionaire has bought Shillary and dedicated his life to one foreign government above all others. Pointless! But then you never were very good at math, were you. (a billion is 1,000 million)
I am quite sure that if Assange had his freedom, he would be very interested in running Wikileaks the way he originally intended. Instead of kicking him when he is locked up, unable to fully operate and expand the way he would like, why not donate to him and provide legal means for him to get out of his trap. Everyone working for the RNC and DNC is a criminal, and they need the light shined bright on their neferious activities.
Assange is to be celebrated and rescued. He is a fellow publisher. Support him, because you might need his help one day.
Anyone working for the government in any capacity is working for a criminal enterprise. Their actions are in direct support of criminal activity.
…and yes that includes everyone, even the govt run soup kitchens. All their efforts derived from the drenched bloodflows in over other exists. Is it good to help people, yes, so stop asking the devil for his help and do it yourself in private charity and volunteering. Stop paying taxes!
Soooo…what is wrong with ““I enjoy crushing bastards.”?
I agree with Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald…in a better world than now exists, where Western governments and the wealthy have dropped any pretence to decency or honesty.
“Double-down” is the across-the-board tactic of Democrats and Teabaglicans alike, and all their similar acquaintances in Western governments.
Good article. And it isn’t just about Clinton or Trump or Assange or Russia. Even truthful leaks can be misleading. If Powerful Entity A helps release negative facts about rival power B, while the negative facts about A remain better-hidden, and the public turns away from B and towards A’s interests just because B’s problems were selectively publicized, that’s exploiting a bit of truth to mislead people. I don’t want to be swayed by that, no matter whether it’s Trump’s campaign doing it to Clinton, or Clinton’s campaign doing it to Trump, or whoever. I’m sure Democrats have already begun working on how to hack into Trump’s campaign and Trump’s life. It would be comforting to believe that each side has equal capacity to dig up and exploit information that’s damaging to the other side, but unfortunately that’s not always true. One reason why we need more privacy for ordinary people and less for the elite is because ordinary people are more vulnerable. But even in contests between two 1-percenters like Trump and Clinton, sometimes one of the two contestants can seize an advantage in exploiting data to the detriment of the public. So, it pays to keep an eye on the potential biases of outlets like WikiLeaks and their sources, and thank you for doing that.
It’s believable that Russians are hacking into American presidential campaigns, but they’re only one of several foreign powers that do this. I mean, did you expect the public was going to get to see all the messages that went through Clinton’s private server, including all those attachments she shouldn’t have clicked on? No. Some things are too “personal” for her to publicize, and too revealing of weakness for any public official. People that high-ranking are targets of so many hacking attacks from around the world that there’s no way to fully prevent the hacking, even if you were much more conscientious than Clinton was in setting up her private email. So Clinton and her ilk tell the public about only part of the hacking that’s going on, and only when it helps them tell a good story about themselves. I don’t believe the simplistic story that it’s just about Russians hacking Clinton, but I see some evidence that Russians have targeted her campaign. And I’m wary of how the Russian state and other powerful entities deploy that kind of information, because they’ll use it to try to steer people towards their own harmful ends. I don’t want to get too worked up about the scandalous stuff revealed in any particular set of document releases. I think it’s important to consider the wider context, so before I react I think about what campaigns or governments might be orchestrating the document releases, as well as what we haven’t been told about. And sometimes that makes me change my views about what the power structure is that I need to resist, and how to resist it.
Russian propaganda is a significantly powerful system. It’s nowhere near as powerful as the propaganda coming from our own elite, but I’ve seen quite a few on the left and right who resist the American elite’s propaganda but still get caught by the secondary net of propaganda woven by the Russian government and its allies. When I try to look objectively at the facts, it seems to me that the Russian government occupies a pretty prominent position as one of the world’s aggressors and oppressors. And when I see people who repeat the message that Russia’s global aims are more or less okay, I don’t find their points convincing at all. I think it’s terrible that Trump is, in effect, allying and indebting himself to Russia’s government in order to slant Americans’ views towards his side — that’s one more piece of evidence that Trump is no ally of the majority voters he’s trying to court. There may come a time when we may have to conclude that Assange has tragically become a tool of Russia’s leadership, but on current evidence I’m still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. We need more people like Assange and the Intercept’s staff. They promote the overall aim, which is to help enable ordinary people to construct as representative a picture as possible of who and what affects and constrains the fulfillment of our (mostly compatible) values and goals. But criticism of sites like WikiLeaks and the Intercept, whether it’s friendly criticism or not, is sometimes needed to help that get on track. So I hope we keep listening to each other in the light of our shared aim.
The bottomless socpup pit repeating the same things…
I’ll do the same: The ‘Russia did it’ crap works only on the stupid. For others, what matters are the documented crimes.
Even if it were true, big fucking deal. If one approves, or doesn’t care, about US interference in other countries’ politics, he or she shouldn’t worry about others’ interference in US politics.
Besides, US pols are for sale to anyone from anywhere for the right price, which is always the voters’ preference. For them, it’s the only possible and practical option on the table in their real world.
i do not believe that Russians are hacking into the DNC.
i do believe that Hellery is incompetent and reckless and allowed a specially crafted email server to make a connection – more like a “marriage”.
She is a fool, a con, an idiot and a criminal all wrapped up into one managed product. However ill one thinks of Donald, Hellery is 10,000 times worse.
ps – she is also a racist, supports genocide for the theft of Jerusalem. OK, that’s a whole lot worse than racism but there it is.
Conceivably the big DNC hack so far (the one that released emails recently published on WikiLeaks) might not be the work of Russia. It’s been attributed to Russians, but the DNC hired the firm that concluded Russians were responsible, so I felt it was worth being a bit skeptical that Russians were behind that particular hack. That’s why I wrote hesitantly
However, there is another hack into Clinton’s campaign where the attribution of Russian responsibility is more plausible. See this article:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-hacked-emails-of-dnc-oppo-researcher-point-to-russians-and-wider-penetration-154121061.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
It’s by a good reporter, Michael Isikoff, and well-sourced. It reports a hack into one particular opposition researcher/dirt-digger affiliated with Clinton’s campaign, Alexandra Chalupa. The article doesn’t prove the Russians are responsible but after reading it I think it’s likely they were involved. That’s why I wrote “I see some evidence that Russians have targeted her campaign”.
isikoff? yahoo? give yourself a break. Both isi and yahoo are z-clubbers who support the newly hijacked DNC faction.
it was not russia
seeing is believing
It’s hardly a hack when your security is so lame as to use ‘passwords’ like 123456 or drowssap and to make matters worse merely piggybacks on top of google mail rather than having an authentic server all its own. Yes, really.
Go look at the DNC emails and click on one of the links, it leads to a page with an Obama background inviting you to ‘log in.’ Attempting to do so and failing puts you at the GMAIL PASSWORD ERROR SCREEN
It really is nothing more than a shared gmail account with a customised login screen, the ‘name’ field is hidden and presumably the same for all dnc staffers until an internal mail is actually sent. Horrific “security.” I certainly wouldn’t send more than a hi & bye
If the U.S. media hadn’t turned into a PR mouthpiece for government officials, then Wikileaks would be unnecessary. The New York Times is a good example – there’s an outfit that published the Pentagon Papers c.1970 exposing all the lies about the Vietnam War, but which by 2003 was publishing government lies about Iraqi WMDs; in 2004 it refused to reveal the domestic mass surveillance of the Bush Administration before the election; that’s why Snowden didn’t offer his material to the NYTimes.
The real problem is the corporate media cooking up one-sided propaganda narratives about complex topics on behalf of their owners, instead of examining all sides of the story; any counter to such narratives is very welcome.
my complaint with Assange is that he released the information too early and gave the Clinton spin machine time to incinerate wasserman and point the blame at the Russians. bottom line she f===ing stole the nomination in collusion with the supposed neutral dnc. had he only waited until wasserman had gaveled the convention in or just before Bernie kissed clinton’s a==. perhaps at such a juncture the corporate media would have been unable to coordinate with the ruling elite and the world would see the hypocrisy of the dempublican party in it’s raw criminality.
now we the people are told what a horrible mistake these criminals have made but…that for the sake of ‘murica ‘cuz 9/11 and turrorusts and trump we MUST support the MOSTCORRUPT political partnership I have witnessed in my 68 years. this is a HELL of a time for snowden (who I consider a hero) to be mouthing off about the purity of motive in exposing the corporate/political/surveillance destruction of my country. we are told to be patient ‘cuz Bernie started a revolution. we started one in the 1960’s which arguably shortened the viet nam war and then were patient while the corporate interests systematically took over the government. the cesspool which we call our government must be gutted and rebuilt. Bernie had made substantial inroads toward taking our country back. we cannot afford to patiently wait for another 50 years. as the authors college points out foreign money thanks to citizens united and of course the Clinton foundation in conjunction with the corporate puppet masters will likely go a long way to suppress what is rising out of the Bernie revolution. heart wrenching! if there is irrefutable evidence out there to rid the system of the Clinton’s please let it fly.
Instead of leaking out all the evidence in one go, in the next phase Wikileakipedia must publish them in five installments with four days gaps.
The reason why I say this is that he has divulged his intentions quite early, so the folks who fear the expose are in a good position to prepare a diversionary event of immense shock and awe that will drown out the controversy generated by the evidence should it all come out in one go.
I’ve spoken in relative favor of Hillary over Trump a few times here, BUT, Assange is right on this one.
The DNC was hacked. That’s someone’s moral responsibility … someone in Russia, I think.
Now as journalists, the people at Wikileaks have two options:
a) let the Russians and the DNC and the investigators and everyone who finds out from them, all the important powerful people of the world, have access to this stuff, but keep it out of the hands of the ordinary person because he might dial a phone number he finds in a document. This is the attitude of the high-minded elite who looks over his children and carefully protects them from seeing anything too disturbing or which might make them think about getting into trouble. But to have a democracy, people can’t be children, they have to learn to take adult responsibility.
Or b) let the people know, and end all pretense that the DNC can go on, business as usual, don’t change their emails, don’t change their phones, nobody knows about the details but the Russians and what would they do? And if they get spear phished by clever hackers who spoof a call from their number of record and coordinate it with email attachments sent to their “private” address, well, there’s no fighting the gods!
I say (a) would be the correct choice, and Wikileaks is to be commended on this. I’m not saying the hackers are to be commended for doing a Watergate style break-in, no. But once the material is freely given to a journalist, that’s a totally different situation than the initial decision to hack the accounts.
Now yes, there’s a hidden catch with all this: the catch is that we have to learn to be responsible as readers. We want to be treated like adult voters in a democracy, we gotta act like it. And that means that we don’t start baying for somebody’s blood (like Wasserman Schultz) just because there’s a bit of bias turned out in 1 of 20000 emails. We say look, we know privacy has been violated, and we know that all sins in the world are not committed only by those whose sins we happen to have been told about. We immunize our minds against this kind of manipulation. We don’t blind ourselves to the data, no – but we always consider it in context, what it reveals about society as a whole. And part of that is not harassing somebody’s kid just because we might know their number. There’s a whole damn book (*riffles white pages*) full of people to harass. You want to be an asshole to somebody, at least have the self-respect to make your own choice of who to bother.
Oh crap I should have proofread that – sorry! I ended up with pieces of options a and b all mixed up. That could have been a great post and I made it wretched. What I mean of course is the right choice was to tell the people and NOT rely on an elite better than us to be more responsible with the information than we are.
Thank you for clarifying. I was getting lost but am a little better now.
“The DNC was hacked. That’s someone’s moral responsibility … someone in Russia, I think.”
Fucking hell. The socpup vainly attempts to deflect from the damning substance and mentions moral responsibility. Another American who spends its entire life glibly ignoring the US’ interference in the politics of other countries expressing opinions about things it doesn’t want to know anything about. Fucking hell.
The ‘Russia did it’ crap works only on the stupid. For others, what matters are the documented crimes.
Even if it were true, big fucking deal. If one approves, or doesn’t care, about US interference in other countries’ politics, he or she shouldn’t worry about others’ interference in US politics.
Besides, US pols are for sale to anyone from anywhere for the right price, which is always the voters’ preference. For them, it’s the only possible and practical option on the table in their real world.
-Mona- what you call “public decorum” may be framed in not so friendly ways by other people with totally different adjectives and nouns.
I do greatly respect both, Snowden and your idol, but Assange is my kind of niggah. I can not understand Snowden’s criticism of Assange’s ways, sure, no one is exempt from making mistakes, but I loved how he masterfully played and exposed the secret services of theworldsonlysuperpower and their allies making them abusively down the plane of a president of state and even puting his life at risk. I also applaud that he has managed to expose Killary’s sore and dirty lying @ssh0l3.
I remember once Glenn and Laura Poitras had an argument with Assange about “redacting” “compromising information” which Glenn has admitted of doing as a matter of course even when it comes to the “innocent” NSA employees. Assange criticized them for doing so and called them “racist”. I think what Assange actually meant is that they were being -paternalistic- when it came to African people, but to me Assange’s use of adjectives, hair dress and whether he is a narcissistic dick or not is totally irrelevant.
To me Glenn is too much of a rhetorical, intellectually elitist, jogo bello kind of guy. In fact, I find downright laughable how he keeps talking a language of humanity and morality to police and politicians (they may as well). I am not so sure how that will bring about a change. With Snowden’s treasure trove, he can speak truth to power and totally debase them while he is at it, but he chooses not to do so.
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/16/the-intercept-is-broadening-access-to-the-snowden-archive-heres-why/?comments=1#comment-232599
RCL
Paternalistic… disingenuous… like a Democrat.
First Look Media ~ Protecting The Guilty Since 2014
It wasn’t this bad before.
I have little idea what all of that is supposed to mean. Glenn Grenewald, as well as Bart Gellman, adhere to Edward Snowden’s conditions about redactions. The names of NSA targets are not released, except where they’ve given specific permission. Nor are piles of civilian emails from all kinds of people — targets and those with whom they exchange email — released. Glenn has made it clear these people have a right to privacy and he won’t just dump their names out there.
Edward Snowden did not risk his life and liberty to embarrass low-level NSA employee/contractors by revealing their names. He’s said some of these people are his friends. It’s possible he even made it a condition of receiving the material that this not be done.
“The names of NSA targets are not released, except where they’ve given specific permission. “
Dear Mr. Greenwald,
I give you explicit and specific permission to release my name as an NSA target if you possess information related to this fact, along with the names of any guilty NSA employees who have provided information about me to any of their guilty data customers.
If you have information about the identities of any of the guilty NSA customers who have committed numerous crimes against my person, please release this information as well.
Sincerely,
Stan Burnitt
Sao Paulo, Brazil
How does Assange exactly bring about change more than Greenwald or Snowden?
You talk about Assange like a hipster bistro you’d rather be seen at. Entirely appropriate, given your disdain for the concerns of the “little people” when points could be scored. Collateral Damage is cool if it’s a good cause overall, eh?
“How does Assange exactly bring about change more than Greenwald or Snowden?”
Simple: Assange exposes the guilty as opposed to protecting their identities and impunity.
It is very possible that you suffer from a mental illness. Julian Assange has not evidenced any belief that you and your fellow “Targeted Individuals” are anything but poor souls suffering from dangerous delusions. Readers questioning my characterizations here about Stan are referred to this sub-thread in which Stan explains his paranoid beliefs and provides what he considers to constitute evidence for them. (Depending on your browser you may have to scroll to locate the first post in the sub-thread, highlighted in grey.)
Why would anyone question the online quackery of someone of your character and integrity?
Spin this , Mona.
Those who do spend enough time on that thread and others it references will learn you are a serial liar, Mona.
Now you make glaringly desperate claims to knowledge of Julian Assange’s beliefs on the topic. You might burnish your credibility if you could trot out some of Assange’s thoughts on the subject from the WaPo or NYT.
Let’s see if this posts. Glenn Greenwald replying to David Gregory on the same subject. This time Robert Mackey is sitting in Gregory’s chair.
Wikileaks ain’t the problem
This is what Glenn Greenwald once said to David Gregory on the same subject : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDmqJ6W3FoI
Probably the new recruits here had their allegiance elsewhere when Greenwald was giving his unadulterated sermons.
Perhaps it will be revealed that Hellery Clinton is not your average predator. And maybe robbing American productivity for her foreign wars and NATO Industrial Complex is just a fancy way of keeping crocs out of foreign disney parks. Or maybe drafting women into the armed forces is just her glorious vision of equality. Or perhaps her TPP Global Initiative will level the playing field so that everyone can bow to wallstreet. And maybe her sheet doesnt stink. But it was her that pushed the concept of super predator.
Go check those twitter threads. WikiLeaks denied they released all that data and the people complaining are working it out with the people who did. There are different sets of data. Update this story!
To quote Joe Strummer,
“Never mind the stars and stripes,
Let’s print the Watergate Tapes”
Bring it on Hacking man!
As Noam Chomsky and John Halle point out, the political outcomes are extremely important in this election, far more important than personal vendettas or symbolic displays. In this case, cholera truly is more dangerous than gonorrhoea. They also point out that if Trump wins, members of the left who undermined Clinton against Trump would receive a fair bit of blame for not caring sufficiently about all the people Trump would victimize. This blame would be taken up especially by right-wing pundits to broadly discredit the left and prevent further breakup of corporate hegemony.
I understand Assange’s intense dislike of Clinton: she’s thoroughly loathsome. But if Trump wins then Wikileaks will be reviled for the partisan role it played.
And anyone who undermined Sanders against Clinton, or Stein/Johnson against Clinton, will hopefully receive a fair bit of blame for the foreigners and others Clinton will victimize.
What Ben Whitmore calls for is hiding corruption because he is scared of a candidate. This is never excusable.
He acts like this year is a “special case.” That is bullshit. This argument gets trotted out every 4 years. Ben Whitmore knows perfectly well that Romney was supposedly this huge threat, so —- nobody criticize Obama, okay? Just till we get re-elected. Then we’ll address some of these issues. We promise.
Fuck that noise.
Ben Whitmore’s attitude, shared by millions of everyday people on all sides of the political spectrum, is part of the problem. Ben Whitmore’s attitude is an incubator of cynicism and leads to the ascendence of ever worse politicians.
Ever worse is right. If we continue with this corporate domination, they will find a monster even worse to run against Elizabeth Warren next time. And by then, Warren will be exposed as another corporate fuck, like all the rest, with her Zionist agenda for apartheid and genocide more fully developed than it is now.
People who will vote for HRC deserve Trump. People who voted for Bush and/or Obama deserve Trump.
I guess it should come as no surprise to me that Mr. Assange’s diehard supporters (as reflected in this comment stream) want to trash Mr. Mackey for saying anything negative about Assange. They would probably continue to support Julian even if he were to shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue. These people who close their minds to the possibility that Assange is not all he claims to be are jut as foolish as all those Trump followers who believe he can do no wrong.
Imagine being locked up in a room in a tiny embassy for years on end. No sun, no trees, no going out. No beaches, no mountains, no wind. And no end in sight.
Is it any surprise that Julian has become overly snarky, paranoid, and bitter?
Mackey has forgotten to check his privilege.
Mackey, like the candidate he supports, has failed the basic test of empathy that separates humans from psychopaths.
and still manage to play and expose the psychopathic, blood-thirsty lies of the 1%!
RCL
Your Clinton Foundation supported research is turning out to be equally good. Keep it up.
Big FY Intercept, you are in the pocket of the establishment, bitches…
So much disgusting “journalism” everywhere on this. I hoped to see something different here. Why is it so many “journalists” are smearing Assange’s character and not reporting on what’s actually in the released material. Assange has been holed up/jailed in a tiny room for four years running while working endlessly to bring to light what some of the most powerful people in the world are up too. On the other hand Clinton, a truly hideous character, is looking to hold the most powerful seat in the world. I mean come on! I wanna know all I can on what this person and the cronies around her are up to. She’s not even president yet and she’s saying one of her first moves as president will be ramping up attacks on Syria to oust Assad.
More endless war, more setting up and funding of terrorist groups, more election fraud and your focusing on how Assange releases his material??? WOW..speechless
Paraphrasing;
The menu of Intercept articles “has started to look more like the stream of an opposition research firm working mainly to undermine” Donald Trump.
The pot calling the Kettle black.
And Clitnonistas have been lamenting that The Intercept looks like an anti-Hillary, “BernieBro” outfit. However, Mackey’s ploy about Assange and opposition research is, indeed, less than compelling. There’s not a thing wrong with the release of the DNC emails, or with when they were released.
It is pretty clear to me that redacting all this private information is not as important as releasing the actual DNC emails and exponsing once more how these bastards keep at it. We must understand that elites have never liked democracy. Real democracy takes the power away from them and gives it to the people. I agree with wikileaks efforts to move towards this direction
The assault on truth continues.I guess this site has gone to the dark side too,like so many others,a full court press of zionist Hell Bitch propaganda.
She deserves every exposure of her shameless hollow person.
FFS. Only an unhinged, antisemitic, racist Trump supporter such as you could say that about, of all people, Robert Mackey.
That said, I disagree with the headline of this piece, and also have zero problem with targeting the DNC or with Assange’s timing the releases for the convention, if he did. Assange did the public an enormous favor by releasing the DNC’s emails and if he despises Hillary Clinton he is more than entitled under the circumstances.
Correct Mona, once again!
Dahoit likes to burn books. He’s that way, you know.
I think he meant a “full-court press of zionist Hell Bitch (Hillary) propaganda”.
Ain’t language fun? ;-)
Shillary is bought and paid for by Haim Saban – an avowed Israel-First! asshole.
Saban is a Zionist; Israel before America …
Since when Anti-Zionism equates to Anti-Setism?
One is an ideological movement the other is a racial characteristic.
Trump’s never held a government position, so there can’t be any whistleblowers to report his malfeasance.
Assange and Wikileaks are trying their best to bring down Hillary Clinton, who is a linchpin of the national security state and an advocate for global corporatism. IMHO, that is a noble and urgent mission. I’m not going to get my shorts in a twist because some of the leaked information contains a bit of personal information that could have been edited out. The creeps at the DNC were in blatant violation of their own charter, and deserve every bit of the scorn and embarrassment that is being directed their way.
I am no fan of Julian Assange as I believe that he used his Wikileaks brand to avoid answering the rape allegation charges against him. This having been said, I am glad that Wikileaks is currently pushing the envelope on disclosures. The fallback defense for Glenn Greenwald’s release of the redacted Snowden documents was that there was no objective proof that they caused unnecessary harm. I believe that the same standard applies in this case. I would be sorely disappointed if I read that Assange was submitting his pending disclosures to the US State Department as a pre-condition for their release. I can understand why a lawyer would employ such CYA methods, but someone has to be willing to test the limits of that which is ethically acceptable. As both Omidyar and the Intercept have recently positioned themselves to carry Clinton’s water by relentless attacking Trump, it is highly unlikely that Clinton will receive the type of critical scrutiny that she deserves.
Just for your information Julian Assange has repeatedly invited Marianne Nye, the Swedish prosecutor, to come to London for a face-to-face interview. She has repeatedly declined, giving no reasonable explanation. Julian has not been formally charged and is only wanted for questioning. He knows that if he leaves the embassy, he will be immediately extradited to the US via Sweden and put on trial for treason. The rape allegations are but a sinister subplot to the real agenda to have him and WikiLeak silenced forever.
Hi Lili-Ann,
I appreciate the feedback. Are you aware that for the week running up to the formal complaint lodged against him, the victims were only privately requesting that he submit to AIDS testing? It was only when he repeatedly failed to follow through on his promise to comply with his victims wishes that that they felt compelled to lodge complaints against him. One of these women reported that Mr Assange chose to initiate unprotected intercourse with her why she was still sleeping. Currently, an outstanding international arrest warrant remains in effect relating to one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation, and one count of rape.
Although I appreciate the very real threat of extradition to the US that Assange now faces, his victim suffered multiple indignities that have yet to be adequately adjudicated. Assange claims to be a champion of transparency, truth, and universal justice when it comes to exposing the wrongdoing of others – a role that I genuinely admire. Yet when it comes to his own behavior, the same standard was conspicuously absent. Thus I am always left wondering who Julian Assange truly is.
Thank you, Mr. Mackey, for giving some air time to Mr. Assange as he attacks HilLIARy Clinton. Americans deserve to know the truth you know. Web portals like Mother Jones, RawStory, AlterNet, and recently, The Intercept_, have been attacking Donald Trump relentlessly. It’s only fair to show both sides of the story I suppose.
Thank you again.
A fairly balanced article, with its criticisms delicately worded.
I just hope Peter Mackey isn’t about to go the way of the Guardian and the NYT, and end up writing tabloid articles about the man having smelly feet – while ignoring the wealth of content he has provided the world for free.
No one is perfect.
“You’re asking me, do I prefer cholera or gonorrhea?” Assange presents this like he’s neutral, but he has made a choice, hasn’t he? He’s always been a bit of a slimeball but sites like Wikeleaks have been important. Too bad he’s jeopardizing his credibility because of his personal grudges.
And the “cholera or gonorrhea” line is something you’d expect from a teenager (or Wikileak rabids), not an adult. His whole line of argument shows a startling lack of maturity, judgement, or just flat-out education. I’ve always thought the sex assault charges to be bogus, but now I wonder, given his clear narcissistic and amoral personality.
There are no “sex assault charges” against Assange.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11949341
Swedish prosecutors issued a European Arrest Warrant.
If they haven’t issued charges or not going to issue charges, day seek arrest?
That’s “why” seek arrest. I hate auto-correct.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/08/julian-assange-sweden-charges/401309/
According to The Atlantic, there are rape charged against him and those charges don’t expire until 2020.
Do you have proof that the charged were dropped?
They use “charges” in the header and then change it to “allegations” in the article, which is really sloppy, and which is what they are; allegations, not charges.
Here is a more accurate article with timeline:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33907874
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-19426382
A “charge” is a formal accusation. And up and until a trial, only that. He has several “counts” against him, including rape.
People have allegation which which are to be proved true or false in a court of law. They bring charges and issue a warrant for arrest. That’s how it’s done.
Read this link. He has several COUNTS against him, ie…charges.
From the same link I posted in previous reply that you either did not open and read or that you think the people saying what I’ve quoted below are incompetents:
Also, from the link you posted:
Note to self: Kitt doesn’t understand that all formal charges are alleged until an actual trial and verdict has been concluded. Secondly, he refuses to look at other people’s evidence before passing judgment. He just reposts my link to support his supposition.
I read the link you posted. Exactly what I’ve been saying and what I told you is written in that link. There are no charges against Assange. If you’d like to argue about that, you should take it up with those who been involved with who have been conducting the investigation. They disagree with you. Perhaps you can convince them otherwise.
No, don’t think that’ll be necessary as I’m big enough to admit when I’m wrong. Apologies.
But the logic seems flawed somewhat. Why issue an arrest warrant if charges aren’t made? Ie…what’s the basis of the warrant, if he isn’t charged with a crime.
Note to self: keep foot out of own mouth.;)
Sorry, that should be “what is basis of the arrest…..”
The body of law that apples to the pending allegations of rape against Assange are subject to a set of procedures that are intended to protect the rights of the accused. The prosecutor is duty bound by legally prescribed procedure to interview the accused before bringing formal charges. That which is learned in the interview from the accused is weighed against the testimony of the complainant, any witnesses, and all of the forensic evidence as a precondition to bringing formal charges against the accused. On two occasions, appeals courts have rejected legal arguments advanced by Assange’s attorneys that their client is not legally bound to return to Sweden to formally answer the charges against him. Thus it is extremely dishonest to contest that “there are no charges against Assange” as if formal charges could have been brought against him absent the requisite procedure requirements. In may of 2016, A Swedish lower court rejected an appeal by Assange and upheld the outstanding arrest warrant. In the doing, it found that “there is still probable cause for the suspicion against JA (Julian Assange) for rape, less serious incident, and that there is still a risk that he will depart or in some other way evade prosecution or penalty.”
Great Points.
The body of law that apples…? ROFL (this diet is killing me)
A left out “i”. He meant to say “applies”. I try to look past those sort of this as my phone often auto-corrects to a Totally different word than the one I intended..
But, you’re right, Assange has been “”Effectively”” charged, even if not ” Technically not completed their unusual procedure.
That would explain the Arrest Warrant. Usually, Democracies don’t go around arresting people without the charge of a crime.
This is a slightly more specific explanation of the way Swedish criminal procedure works in this instance:
http://www.congreso.es/docu/docum/ddocum/dosieres/sleg/legislatura_10/spl_85/pdfs/24.pdf
The problem with ideologues like Kitt is that they read articles concerning Assange’s legal woes with an eye to confirming their own bias. Worse still, they then presume to correct others even though the depth of their own understanding is paper thin. When challenged, they never admit that they are wrong (as you attempted to do with Kitt). Rather, they employ a well worn set of logical fallacies with the hope that can create enough confusion to sustain the illusion that they actually know what they are talking about. Robert Heinlein once wrote, “The slickest way in the world to lie is to tell the right amount of truth at the right time-and then shut up.” In this case, Kitt’s myopic focus on the issue of whether Assange has actually been “charged” with rape by Swedish authorities relies on general ignorance of Swedish law. The same holds true for her quoted sources – whose own bias is far more deplorable because they have a journalistic duty to get their facts straight before conveying them to their readers.
Hammer, meet Nail.
Great explanation. I look forward to reading more of your comments. Thanks
Did the hammer change the fact that no charges have been brought against Assange?
You don’t seem to realize that “Karl’s” “myopic” pathology to color me wrong, even when I am, without bias, just simply stating incontrovertible facts, facts which anyone who is not a dedicated “ideologue” has no option but to see and to understand and to agree with—unless they would rather choose to practice their life-long pathology of lying, has no effect on the known and indisputable facts.
Yesterday I posted three replies to yours and Karl’s latest BS about Assange and about me. I posted three because none of them published. This time it was The Intercept screwing up some how by not publishing them, rather than me messing up with my email address.
The sum of the posts was that it is me, not you, who *Does* understand Swedish law, and that is why it was me , not you, who knew that Assange had no sex charges against him.
Rather than playing into “Karl’s” “myopic” hair up his ass ongoing game against me, you should have stuck with your comment about being “man enough to admit” when you’re wrong. But it’s apparent that you’re not “man enough,” after all, to admit when you’re wrong.
“Kitt” simply stated the facts as they are, which is, there have been no charges brought against Julian Assange in this matter.
All of the circle and scrum and fucknut shit which you attempted to color me with is your own balderdash and your latest series of lies due to your life-long pursuit of perfecting the art of pathological lying.
I simply posted the facts. I didn’t make up the facts, I posted them. I repeat: The Facts.
No amount of blather from you, whether it be your “myopic” drive to make shit up about who/what I am, or your long winded amateur sleuthing about Sweden can change the fact that <Julian Assange has not been charged in this matter. Your ugly life-long pursuit of perfecting the art of pathological lying is just something you’ve chosen to live with. But it has no effect on the facts.
In speaking to the fact as to whether Julian Assange has been formally “charged”under Swedish law, you have repeatedly failed to provide the necessary distinctions between Swedish and US criminal procedure that would allow for a proper understanding of the legal basis upon which Swedish authorities first issued, and then repeatedly defended in a court of law, a detention warrant for Julian Assange. Without an understanding of Swedish law, the average American reader will be predisposed to conclude that the absence of formal “charges” is suggestive of “a lower degree of suspicion” than actually exists; this is due to substantial principles of law and procedural differences that exist between the two countries. In order to issue a detention warrant under Swedish law, a prosecutor must be able to demonstrate to a court a significantly higher level of cause for detaining a suspect than that required of a district attorney under American law.
In Sweden, there are three distinct degrees of suspicion: (1) reasonable suspicion, (2) probable cause, and (3) sufficient reason beyond reasonable doubt. In Assange’s case, the prosecutor was forced to conclude, and the court has repeatedly confirmed, that the evidence against Assange required a finding of probable cause. Sweden follows the principle of legality, also called the principle of compulsory prosecution. This means that the prosecution authority is legally bound to prosecute a criminal offense that would come to its attention if the evidence warranted a finding of probable cause. Therefore, the decision to issue a detention warrant against Assange was neither capricious, arbitrary, or politically motivated. Prior to any formal charges being brought against Assange by the Swedish prosecutor, Assange, and/or his defense attorney, have the legal right to participate in a finding of fact by undertaking investigative measures/acts in their own right, and to also request that special acts of investigation be conducted by the prosecutor on behalf of the defendant; the cost of which will be borne by the public authority itself. This entire phase of preliminary investigation is subject to judicial review; thus it is incumbent on the prosecutor to consistently demonstrate objectivity when weighing any request by the defense during the investigative phase of the proceedings.
Yet with all of your alleged knowledge of Swedish law, you somehow failed to mention the foregoing facts for clarity sake. Again, “The slickest way in the world to lie is to tell the right amount of truth at the right time-and then shut up.”
not surprised at all to see an article like this from Mackey who got on my radar originally for helping fun flank for the Liz Wahl stunt at RT (which was stage-managed by the Project for the New American Century re-branded aka The Foreign Policy Initiative).
i was kind of astonished Intercept brought someone like Mackey into their ranks who has always held extremely questionable views and who writes frequently in a blatantly disingenuous fashion.
My understanding, based on things that Ed Snowden has said, is that Wikileaks practices very little if any redaction. This has given ammunition to those who want to prosecute Assange and those involved in providing material to Wikileaks, for example Chelsea Manning.
I do not see how the timing of the release of the DNC documents by Wikileaks differs from that practiced by Glenn Greenwald in releasing the Snowden papers: In both cases, the timing has been exquisite, and has demonstrated the degree to which the targets of the releases are liars and criminals. Also, if indeed Assange has something personal against Clinton, who can blame him? Clinton certainly has acted in a shameful way toward Assange, just as she has toward Snowden.
All that said, I also agree with the approach that Greenwald has taken in releasing the Snowden materials, redacting information that serves no purpose other than to expose people to needless abuse. In contrast, some of the spreadsheets in the DNC material not only list names but detailed personal information. Disagreeing with the politics of a DNC contributor is one thing, but providing their detailed address, telephone number and e-mail address serves no purpose other than to violate their privacy. It is hypocritical to advocate privacy rights while at the same time violating those of others.
Julian Assange is a hero to the powerless.
I enjoy that he loves crushing Bastards.
I love watching him crush Bastards.
He is paying with his freedom to release the secrets of Bastards.
The author is a Clinton shill as witnessed by his own writings.
Mackey releases propaganda for a living.
Julian releases useful secrets.
The nerve.
Hero to the powerless? Selective release of information designed to influence an outcome rather than bring forth the truth? Alleged to have committed sexual assault against several women? As a feminist, that doesn’t play well with me.
I’d argue he is far worse than anyone he condemns. I’m gladly casting my vote for Hillary. Enjoy watching her win from the Ecuadorian Embassy, Julian.
How utterly disappointing to read the above article in a publication like the Intercept. The author is clearly biased towards the Clinton Campaign. His critique of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks is unacceptable to any reader with half a brain cell. Karl’s comment above are spot on – the world needs Julian Assange as it needs water.
Ralph, I loved your comment more. Being a Swedish born Australian citizen I’m ashamed of both countries cowardice in their treatment of Julian Assange. Both the Swedish and Australian government are pathetic vassals to Washington’s agenda to extradite and destroy both WikiLeaks and it’s founder. If Sweden had any integrity left it should drop its bogus rape charges against Assange or at least accept the invitation for his accusers to confront him at the Ecuadorian embassy. Australia’s inaction to protect the human rights of one of its citizens is shameful beyond belief.
Yes, it is sad that tiny little Ecuador has more principles than the US, GB, and Australia combined.
Absolutely agreed.
I’m extremely ashamed to see this type of apologetics pertaining to the corruption of the DNC and the Clinton campaign coming from the Intercept, a publication that claims to be progressive.
The author obviously isn’t concerned with the factual truth but rather that the truth doesn’t conflict with their preconceived views and agenda.
The author obliquely mentions that wikileaks had conflict with mainstream media organizations about redactions of cables without giving the context that, for instance, the guardian redacted cables to fit their own political agenda, deleting mentions of wrongdoing by BP for instance. These ‘collaborations’ also led to the NYT and the guardian cherrypicking anything that would make Iran look bad while refusing to publish anything that criticized Israel. The mainstream media organizations were not just doing ‘due diligence’ in their redactions. Some journalists are so eager to get a job at the guardian that they would never dream of criticizing them, while the lack of employment at wikileaks make them ‘fair play.’
It is naiive to think that today wikileaks could run on crowd-editing. When wikileaks had large amounts of people working for/with them, documents were stolen, deleted, sent enmass to the NYT and the pentagon. Yes, wikileaks went out of their way at the time to redact and ‘sensitively’ release the war logs and cables. However, they were still attacked, shut down, had their funding sources pulled and of course as we know Julian was detained.
Personally, I side with wikileaks on this one. They have nothing to lose at this point, little staff or resources to release this material in a timely and relevant fashion, and they have no reason to coordianate with the U.S. government. I side wikileaks against the intercept who at the request of the U.S. refused to publish something that might harm the illegal war/occupation against Afganistan which has murdered millions of innocent people and daily oppresses and steals from the people of Afganistan. It is not the job of journalists to aide war criminals and sheild those in power.
I really don’t know about the unedited dumps, of course our conversations are showing up as unedited dumps in some government “policing” group for who knows what reason… However, Assange is the only non trumpeter voice still exposing the Queen of Wall Street and death, instead of focusing on trumpet fear articles.
So, Jill Stien and Gary….were just defeated in their attempt to participate in the upcoming presidential debates, and I am one among many US citizens who believe, know, democracy is dead. We are living in a corporate oligarchy that is heating the planet to a point of no return, suppressing free speech, dissent, and feeding the ear machine to a dangerous tipping point towards nuclear war. This is not an oligarchy that will bring us a Pax Romans.
Stop supporting the lies, please.
Has anyone heard from Glenn about a potential Edward Snowden archive release. There was a tweet from Ed yesterday with a what appears to be code (hexcode for a SHA256 encryption) to whoever holds the locked data. This code was proceeded by another tweet “It’s Time” both of which were deleted. I hope Glenn can shed some light on this soon and Edward is okay.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4wc9ep/huge_edward_snowden_leak_incoming_he_just_posted/
Sounds more like an attempt to fuck with him, to me. But most things online are.
Sorry, that was uncalled for. But there are dragons listening, John Q.
Glenn was asked about this on Twitter, and reported that Snowden is fine.
Thank God for Wikileaks.
I note a “CorrectTheRecord” troll at work in these comments. You will know them by their words. Best advice:
Ignore them. They patrol the internet news sites looking to interject their slick well versed BS.
Pathetic, you start out like a DNC hack and then finish up with concern trolling.
All the while you spend way too many words pointing at Wikileaks and trying to defame Assange while completely downplaying the the contents of the emails and WHY they are damaging to Hillary Clinton.
I don’t really care why he is releasing them or why he is releasing them at the time or in the manner that he is doing, I do however care deeply about the corruption and they disclose.
If Hillary Clinton’s own emails cause her much pain and discomfort then I say excellent, and should they cause her to lose the election or be placed under Federal investigation for their content then even better, we will have dodged the bullet that is Clinton and just perhaps another middle eastern country need not be bombed back to the stone age so that Qatar can have a pipeline route.
Expatz I agree with you. I choose to believe that the e-mails are being released in the name of freedom and the publics right to know whom they are really voting for. Hillary Clinton and her organization need to be exposed for the truly are and what they are doing. This article is suspect in my view as it attacks wikileaks and makes a claim that the release is for personal reasons.
Exactly! Where is the bleeping alternative press?
I was just removed from Common Dreams (with a years worth of comments and links to articles from the meme stream to the Off Guardian) where I had rated constant “nice post,” many likes etc. However, I have been countering the pro clintonostra articles with links reminding people of who she is, what she has done, and also Obama’s extensions of Bush policies and people.
In one of my last posts I said if trumpeter wins, it isn’t because I voted for Jill but because the corptoctacy cheated us out of Bernie.
Now I am wondering about Bernie’s intentions all along….
Thank you ExpatZ
The Bernie Sanders supporters owe a debt of gratitude to Julian Assange for releasing the DNC emails and confirming proof that we are not BernieBros, violent chair throwers or tin foil hat wearing conspiracy loons.
Assange has unjustly imprisoned for four years for speaking truth to power. It’s despicable that some journalists chose to attack him when they should be trying to emulate his example.
What is the problem here? Assange exposes corruption for a living..that is his job. Sometimes, not often enough, sadly, your job can be fun. He doesn’t like Hillary..not many people do..so he enjoys exposing her corruption. Should he turn away the leaks because he doesn’t like her? That would be letting her get away with injustices wouldn’t it? That is what the establishment is upset about..he is exposing her injustices.
I disagree Assange/Wikileaks is waging war specifically on Hillary and her chances of becoming president, but I can see how someone frightened by Trump more than Hillary might believe that. Wikileaks has ALWAYS waged a war on the dirty secrets of establishment power, particularly wherever government sanctioned crimes are concerned and particularly if regarding a seat of power.
Hillary has the current administration including the DOJ/FBI in her Petraeus-style pocket, she also now has GWB’s neocons and Republican pundits lining up behind her, and just this week we saw the first Republican member of Congress say they’re voting for her and not Trump. Hillary far more than Donald is part of the U.S. government influence unjustly keeping Julian in London’s Ecuadorian Embassy. Additionally, nobody throughout this election cycle including the Donald is more war party establishment than Hillary Clinton, and Assange knows this.
I assert the primary Wikileaks target now appearing on Hillary was painted there by none other than herself, through a lifetime of climbing any establishment ladder necessary to get where she’s at today.
Well, since most American sheeple are okay with Obama>Hillary’s illegal domestic surveillance program gaining access to all their information to “protect us from terrorism,”I am okay with wikileaks giving up my contact information if that helps them protect us from tyranny. Thanks, wikileaks.
Exactly!!
I am okay with them giving up your contact information too, but how exactly that would help wikileaks “protect us from tyranny,” I haven’t the faintest idea.
Attacking WikiLeaks as this article does is equivalent to cutting your own throat, because WikiLeaks is one of the best friends you have – and Hillary Clinton is not. Also, she played in major role in his having to seek refuge in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London. His virulence is well justified and the corruption he helped expose in the Democratic party is disgraceful. THAT is what should be the focus of attention.
“Collaborative fact-checking”, really? What would stop someone from just deleting or altering anything that isn’t favorable. If only some of the emails are released then the next thing we’ll hear is that some emails were withheld for some BS reason like what we heard about Clinton’s classified emails on her own server. I agree with Assange. Dump it out there. If you are a corrupt bastard, or Wicked Witch of Wall Street that flew on her broom from Arkansas to NY to be a senator to be near what she cares about, corporate offices and banks, don’t live in glass houses.
Let’s look at it from a slightly different viewpoint. I give money to the Green Party of the US so there is a database somewhere on one of their computers with my information on it. If Wikileaks got that database and published it, I would not care if the whole world knew that I had given money to the Greens, but I would be very angry if my home address, telephone number and e-mail address were revealed. That is precisely what has happened with the unredacted release of DNC material by Wikileaks.
It is not as though redacting the personal information would be difficult; there are only a few dozen spreadsheets, and because of the way they are organized all one would have to do to get rid of the offending data would be to delete four or five columns in each. This is a task that any reasonably competent office worker could accomplish in 15 minutes.
This depends on one’s perspective. From the perspective of polite society, you are correct. But many of us view this as a war, in which case all is fair. Contributing to a powerful neoliberal and war-supporting entity like the DNC is an evil act, so I really don’t care if the contributors’ info is published. Of course I wouldn’t want it to happen to me, just like a soldier kills but doesn’t want to be killed; that’s not the point.
Yeah, I would just look at this as relatively minor collateral damage for the greater good of the human species.
More power to Julian Assange. The guy has been imprisoned for 4 years on a trumped-up charge. Cut him some slack. Whatever he has up his sleeve against Hillary I hope he uses in a well-timed manner. Her campaign needs to be derailed though I despair of it happening. The Clintons have a well-oiled machine ready to spring into action and deflect any damaging information with diversionary tactics like the Russians being behind the DNC hack. With the media in their pocket, they are well-equipped to withstand any attack from any quarter. They can talk their way out of anything. But even they may have an Achilles heel for Assange to strike.
Say what you want, but Wikileak’s own actions have made it crystal clear that they are more interested in seeing Donald Trump get elected President than they are in the truth.
Anyone who expects me to believe that there aren’t RNC emails about stopping Trump out there that are capable of making the DNC emails about Bernie look mild by comparison is out of their mind. That information is out there, but wikileaks has no interest in it because wikileaks wants to see Donald Trump become President. Why? I have no idea, myself. Maybe they always were a Russian operation after all. But, to expect me to believe that their single-minded focus on taking down Hillary is “just a coincidence” is completely unrealistic. I will never believe that.
Wikileaks and its supporters have outed themselves at this point. They are all shills for Donald Trump, and I have no idea why. He’s not the savior his ball washers want him to be – Not even close. He is an entitled, bratty billionaire who has made his name off of screwing people over his entire life, and now he wants to screw over the American people.
I think the comparison to the Panama Papers leak would be interesting.
The leak was notable in that few American names were included and it was embarrassing to Putin and Assad; Russian media and Wikileaks pointed to it being a US govt-based operation, just as the DNC, Clinton and US media point to the DNC hack being a Russian govt-based operation:
https://www.rt.com/news/338683-wikileaks-usaid-putin-attack/
Neither of these claims have been backed up by any reliable documentation and are merely speculation, with the goal of distracting attention from the contents of the leak for the benefit of Putin, or the DNC and Hillary Clinton, respectively.
However, releasing the emails of Hillary Clinton in her State Department role seems justified, as it gives a view of what kind of foreign policy she’d run (aggressively militaristic and interventionist, with an expanded military budget, and a back-to-the-Cold-War theme, obviously). The same goes for the DNC emails during the primary season, as they prove the DNC claims of being a “neutral participant” were lies. The public deserves to know these things.
Thus, attempting to paint this DNC leak as a partisan attack by Wikileaks seems like a Clinton campaign PR effort; particularly when Julian Assange is speaking to the Green Party Convention today. Wikileaks tends to release whatever it gets; for example wasn’t Sarah Palin (R) exposed on Wikileaks in 2008 over using a private server for official government business?
Furthermore, if Mackey is going to use Matt Tait as an information source, he might want to include the fact that he worked as an “information security specialist” for Britain’s GCHQ spy outfit, and is probably not an unbiased source; rather like asking a Russian spy agency if the U.S. was behind the Panama Papers hack.
Nice post!
I’m pretty sure Wikileaks had nothing to do with that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002699_pf.html
So wikileaks is not neutral in its reporting.
Well, ‘you can’t be neutral on a moving train’….
Mr Mackey is also not neutral in his reporting. This is his third article in a row where he endorses Mrs. Clinton by being critical on those who are her opponents. I think that is fine and fair. But only when you are honest about it, like wikileaks is honest by openly exposing powerful people, like Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
‘Objectivity’ is something that you can find plenty of in MSM outlets. Would be nice if the Intercept would stay away from that type of reporting and challenge, you know: authority that should be held accountable by journalists who investigate and scrutinize the official story, and report that story to their readers.
Nor was he hired to be. Virtually none of the journalists here pretend to be “neutral.” If you’ve read any of Mackey’s pieces touching on Israel-Palestine you will see that very quickly. On that issue he gives the perspective and facts the establishment media stifles.
It certainly does seem to me that since the primaries have been over Mackey does focus more on the inanities of Donald Trump and that he wishes to see Clinton defeat him. Myself, I won’t vote for either, but reasonable and moral people can disagree about whether it’s critical to support and vote for Clinton in order to stop Trump.
Mona – “reasonable and moral people can disagree about whether it’s critical to support and vote for Clinton in order to stop Trump”
Can I quote you on that in future threads when people tell me I’m scum for supporting HRC?
Sure, but if you do that, I’ll have to point out my disgust that you voted for her in the Florida primary and then behaved like a star-struck teenager over meeting this venal, warmongering and corrupt woman in person.
“Myself, I won’t vote for either, but reasonable and moral people can disagree about whether it’s critical to support and vote for Clinton in order to stop Trump.”
I disagree. Moral people do not ignore war crimes, and they do not ignore the incredibly sadistic “we came, we saw, he died” quote from Clinton after Gaddafi was sword-rape-murdered. They do not ignore the destruction off Libya. They do not ignore the support for a military coup in Honduras… it goes on and on. Clinton is a well-documented monster. Anyone who supports her is supporting a war criminal, their over-the-top fear of the racist brain-melting little bowl of pumpkin flavored fuck-waddery, Trump, notwithstanding.
The ONLY reason to support Clinton over Trump is judicial appointments, most notably the Supreme Court. That’s not enough for me and I’ll be voting Green as usual, but at least that’s a logical and moral reason. The other reasons, as explained by John Kelly, are BS.
Jeff D,
The senate Democrats can filibuster nominees to the court if they simply get up on their hind legs and do it. We need to shoot down this narrative, because, unless they change the rules (both sides like the filibuster), the court should not be much of an issue… unless… as one person I was debating on Twitter said, the Democrats would NOT filibuster, and, although it was her main excuse for voting D, she was voting Democratic anyway… you can’t make this shit up.
Thanks, Willem, I am a US voter, who never missed a ballot since teaching voting age. However, I have never been so disgusted at the obvious manipulation and attempt to create more sheeple vs people.
This is a zero sum game, “nobody for president” bumper stickers may make a return.
For someone who has done so much of a public service, and was mistreated so badly by the democracies he has in fact enlightened, I think Assange can be forgiven to be touchy when criticized. He has helped Snowden escape to Russia and while Edward now enjoys his (relative) freedom of movement and lifestyle, Assange himself has not been able to see anything but the 4 walls of his tiny embassy “cell” for years now. Moreover, Wikileaks is certainly short on resources and staff, due to the hounding of the western governments who would like to see Assange in jail and wikileaks shut down. This makes it understandable that Assange would rather publish newsworthy information than trying to redact all sensitive information, which would take him months and tons of money which he does not have.
And Mona runs around free to spew.
Ain’t that a kick in the head.
The focus on Clinton rather than Trump makes sense given the mission statement.
While Trump is odious and deserves serious scrutiny, he hasn’t been inside any government wielding a significant amount of power and the party under whose umbrella he is running just spent the entire primary season trying to stop him.
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is a career politician who is propped up by all the Democratic National Committee, the establishment of the Democratic party, a complicit liberal mainstream media and external political power brokers.
The other criticisms are more reasonable, though it does bear mentioning that the credit card/social security numbers were exactly the kind of information the DNC said wasn’t accessed by the hack. Redacting too much information there would’ve given the DNC more room to continue lying.
Excellent response to this trash column. Too bad Assange didn’t say this when he was confronted about it by Bill Maher. http://billmaher.tumblr.com/post/148530275786/hacking-trump-hbo-real-time-julian-assange
Hey Mackey –
In recent months, The intercept has started to look more like the stream of an opposition research firm working mainly to undermine Donald Trump than the updates of a non-partisan platform for free-thinkers.
Hard to say whether you are more vacuous or more confused:
The Intercept has never touted itself as that. The journalists here are often self-admitted activist ones. Few if any adopt the View From Nowhere.
Moreover, this site has had a strong focus on criminal justice and prison reform. As well as racial justice. Therefore, it is not remotely likely to be a Trump-friendly site.
You persist in being unwilling or unable to comprehend this basic reality.
wow, for you to even utter the word ‘activst’ when indirectly referencing Mackey just illustrates how you are possibly one of the worst commenters/aspects of this website besides Mackey himself.
Yes,she is a minder,and hall monitor,and is a hypocrite.
Yes, Israel apologists frequently feel that way about both me and Robert Mackey. We’ll survive it.
The Intercept is now a joke. I no longer expect independent journalism from it. In fact, I no longer expect journalism from it.
In April 2016, Pierre Omidyar gave $100,000 to a newly registered anti-Trump super PAC named Nevertrump Pac.OpenSecrets.com reports that, as of Jun 20 2016, the Nevertrump Pac has raised 310,000K and spent 228K.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00610907&cycle=2016
An April 24, 2016 Center for Public Integrity article reported that Pierre Omidyar has been openly hostile toward trump on Twitter.
https://www.publicintegritydotorg/2016/04/15/19564/pierre-omidyar-gives-100000-new-anti-trump-super-pac
I think this piece is fairly well balanced.
At least compared to the hit piece HP just published.
The targeting of crowd funding (not mentioned) and Assange being stuck in an embassy may well be factors for not being able to run the organization well… and may be responsible for a less idealistic or even vindictive approach.
The DNC leaks may have pissed off their donors, but that does serve his stated agenda, and I am somewhat amused and sympathetic. But I think Hillary is a corrupt, warmongering neocon, so my bias needs to be considered.
The personal responsibility crowd should expect and understand the consequences of their actions against Wikileaks though.
Trumps recent implosion also mitigates the threat of him winning, and if it helps one or both third parties, it could be very beneficial for this country.
The Turkey leaks not so much, though I saw no mention of consequences. I hope it stays that way.
The Trump implosion is a figment of zionist imagination,as every day the American people see the fix they are trying to put over US,like this mackneyed tripe.
Omidyar unleashes shill Mackey to help his buddy Hillary. It’s natural.
Hmmm, cholera vs. gonorrhea? A lot of people would say cholera–less embarrassing.
But the bottom line is, why would you opt for cholera or gonorrhea when you can vote for neither?
For the health of our democracy, vote third party.
Oh, and while gonorrhea may be more embarrassing, cholera has a much higher death rate. Good analogy, Julian!
I have no strings attached and no horse in this race but have regards for both WL and the Intercept, so forgive me when I ask how this isn’t hypocritical? Are you personally not doing a strange hit piece here? And is this site not exacting its own bias and refusing to consider context (including quotes from comedy shows)?
Speaking of comedy,
“Dxb ky, vxjyho mi n hno-kx-hno bygxbk xw kzy zfjnw vxwhmkmxw. Mk’i pznk’i znggywmwu bmuzk wxp.” (Hint: v = c)
Ugh thumb typing errors and autocorrect
“Dxb jy, vxjyho mi n hno-kx-hno bygxbk xw kzy zfjnw vxwhmkmxw. Mk’i pznk’i znggywmwu bmuzk wxp.”
i only saw the headlinee and thought “something that dumb on the intercept: must be mackey”. score one for me.
i didn’t have the time to read all 9,000,000 words about how much you love riding hillary’s dick but the gist seems to be “why does a guy dedicated to exposing government secrets wage WAR!!!!! on sweet powerless hillary instead of that gauche private sector russian manchurian beast!!! oh i have the vapors!”
if she doesn’t want her emails about shady dealings leaked then quit having shady dealings. she should also quit reading from the permanent teleprompter implanted in her skull and actually share what goes on in her terrifying little eichmann brain if she wants people to stop digging elsewhere to get an inkling of what to expect from her first blood soaked four years. for “journalists” to whine and bitch because someone did their ostensible job for them while under embassy house arrest is just pathetic.
and then you wish wikileaks was like wikipedia…cuz the name sounds the same derp! what could go wrong with letting just anyone edit top secret government documents from starbucks? and it’s “not hard to imagine” someone duping them with fakes! of course not. if it was hard you wouldn’t do it.
other than bringing up the salient points concerning redactions (because no one in DC ever leaked names and numbers to torment and smear someone) more clickbait that belongs on politico or daily kos. meh.
You don’t have enough time to read the piece, yet you write your own in the comments Lol.
Hillary is trash but it’s honestly hilarious how white people think shady US government behavior and corruption magically appeared out of nowhere in the 90s. I mean seriously, go read about our country’s crimes since WW2, during which we were responsible for 30 milion deaths on record. Yet all it took was Obama + Hillary’s email scandal to wake you all up from hibernation.
No knucklehead,9-11 woke everyone from their slumber.
Most people here hate Obomba as much as the shrub,so its nothing to do with political party affiliation,it’s resistance to the zionists who made that event possible,and all their pos American whores who helped.
Trump for POTUS,know a man by his serial lying enemies.
This country’s crimes began over 500 years ago. The white invaders murdered the natives, destroyed their cultures, stole their lands, destroyed their lands for profit, and kidnapped people from Africa to work those lands. You are correct that the U.S. has illegally (by international law) and immorally killed millions of people since WW II (I don’t know where you get 30 million though, unless you’re counting deaths indirectly caused by U.S. actions), but you’re starting near the end instead of the beginning.
Assange in video at RT says,HRC has more ties with Russia than Trump.
He also said that the Saudis were the largest contributors to the Clinton foundation.
I agree. I don’t understand why The Intercept uses this guy. Reading his columns is like listening to NPR propaganda for the educated class.
“…argued that ‘it certainly doesn’t make as much difference as people say,’ which of them gets elected.”
Maybe not to him, but it does to many of the rest of us. I am not trying to raise my children in a country ran by white nationalists, end of discussion.
It is nationalism that drives American support for Trump,and it is from every American patriot,regardless of race or color.
HRC is all about support for Israel,and a continuation of the war of terror, murdering,from your name,fellow Muslims or Arabs,all in the name of Israel.
It’s fact, look it up.The evil one said it.
Unless you are a fellow traveler of these traitors within,then nevermind.
This article says quite a bit about Ody’s hack.
I am curious to know why, when surmising the way that false information could be planted amongst genuine data, you use Russia as an example. Why, out of all the countries who could conceivably to this, would you suggest Russia as your example? This only encourages the liars who insist that Russia actully hacked the DNC files as part of their smearing of that country as a justification for war.
Good coverage. The angle about “why Hillary Clinton?” is an unfortunate lead though. Hillary Clinton & the DNC are hugely powerful, secretive, and plot-crazed: totally fair target
The wikileaks twitter responses to reasonable criticism are indeed pretty thin-skinned – I hadn’t seen that. No, it isn’t cool to release the contact information of a number of women voters in Turkey, for example, and then respond stupidly that someone must “really” be with the government to criticize them! Sounds like the amateur ad hominen you see….uh, in this comment section.
I second all of that. The DNC Leaks were and are fantastic and could not be more in the public interest. But Julian has always been a narcissistic dick — which may be somewhat necessary to doing what he does. He’s barely managed to maintain public decorum with Glenn Greenwald and let it slip with Snowden.
Private information about non-public figures shouldn’t be released. Many have hounded Glenn about not just dumping all the Snowden documents. Among other things, and as he’s often said, that would include a lot of emails to and from, and information about, private people. It’s entirely responsible not to simply throw all of that out there.
Sorry, Mona. While I am for gov transparency and against dumping private peoples’ communications to the world (to include probably most but not all of the anon dumps) I find it loathesome to protect the privacy of secret programs meant to impinge and impede upon the lives of everyone while being noticeably giddy and drinking pumpkin lattes from Starbucks on the dime of the taxpayer. I mean seriously. All is overkill but so is overredacting. Not that exposing that sort of stuff isnt terrifying and wouldn’t piss off a whole lot of people who would want blood.
Um, “programs” do not have “privacy” rights and thus no one is protecting them. I ‘m sure you intended to communicate something with all of that — apparently to disagree with me about something — but I can’t determine what that something is well enough to know.
Sorry, it is incredibly difficult to type on this thing. But surely you are being deliberately disingenous and obtuse. Programs don’t sip on lattes — people do… People like government contractors, for instance, who do so while thinking up new ways to, for instance, mitm places like Yahoo and Google (much as I disapprove of their own collection policies) and figure out ways to stay persistent in the systems of nonprofits, journalists, authors and other people because they can.
If you mean the NSA stories should have included identification of NSA employees and contractors, why? In any event, Glenn Greenwlad has many times said that the documents include names and identities of people targeted by the NSA. These individuals should not be revealed, certainly not without their permission. And there could be hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of such names.
As for the NSA employees/contractors, Ed Snowden didn’t risk his life and liberty to embarrass some low-level people, some of whom he considers friends. My guess is he would oppose such revelations — and might even have made it a condition of receiving the material.
I support Julian Assange in bringing down bastards 100%! And one of the filthiest human beings on the planet, in a position to do irreparable damage to the entire human race, is Hillary Clinton. There are, of course, many others. But Clinton as president of the United States is a greater danger to the planet than Donald Trump can ever be.
What the hell.. I read this BS on The Intercept. You of all people seem to be behind Clinton. Or is it you did not get the scoop. Good you didn’t because you feel that it unfair to explain to the American people, and prove it, that Clinton cheated to win the so called election. You really need to check out what a real newspaper does but their long gone. Julian Assange has bee locked up in England going on five years. He should be leaked. And since unknown to you people Clinton is and has been a crook and much more for years. You make me sick.
Yes,the newspaper died with the Iraq War and all the lies.
I saw a front page today where it only said;Employment up economy up too!
It’s all propaganda to elect the worst possible person in American history,a complete idiot with nothing but shite,scandal and confusion on her resume.
Incredible.
You,lady, are going to hell.Madeline Albright.:)
Glenn and staff now you know who really runs the news outlets, newspapers, radio, TV and internet and it is not you. It’s the owner the one giving gifts to Clinton. I believe you people need to know who it works. A great new leak is checked for the up and up and if it is its the leak that counts not who or how it was leaked. If you don’t believe this you need to get out of the business. For one simple reason once a reader see this kind of it’s the leaker, it’s the leaker what faith do I have in any of your stories?