When New York Mayor Bill de Blasio introduced incoming Police Commissioner James O’Neill last week, he praised him as the “architect” of neighborhood policing — the city’s version of the “community policing” approach being implemented across the country as a solution to the increasingly contentious relationship between law enforcement and people of color.
“When New Yorkers know their local officers and trust their local officers, we are all safe as a city,” the mayor said following the announcement that Commissioner William Bratton would be resigning. “In times like these, we have a responsibility to provide our nation with a model for respectful and compassionate neighborhood policing. … If we want to keep all New Yorkers safe, policing must be of, and for, and by the people.”
But members of these communities say that knowing their local cops won’t stop them from getting killed by the police. Trust must be earned through accountability, they say, not optics. Advocates for radical change to the country’s policing culture have become increasingly critical of community policing as a meaningless, politically expedient catchphrase that is used to deflect attention from deeper problems within police departments.
The New York Police Department first introduced its Neighborhood Coordination Program in May 2015 — and it’s now expanding the initiative to about half the city’s precincts. O’Neill, who spearheaded the effort, said last week that it aims to establish “closer relationships and mutual understanding.”
“It’s all about our communities personally knowing their local cops, and trusting those cops to help them and their neighbors lead better lives,” O’Neill said.
Community policing has been promoted nationwide, including by President Obama and the Justice Department. But critics say it means nothing when the community remains powerless over policing practices — and that won’t change with more cops walking the beat or handing out ice cream instead of traffic tickets, as officers in Virginia recently did in a widely mocked initiative that, to some, demonstrated the shallowness and tone-deafness of community policing proposals.
“Community policing, as it’s being called, is just smoke and mirrors, and for many of us it’s quite insulting,” Lumumba Bandele, a member of the New York-based Communities United for Police Reform, told The Intercept. “Many of us know the police who are harassing us and brutalizing us. Those relationships don’t save us.”
Bandele’s group has warned against falling for the impression that O’Neill represents a gentler NYPD. Its spokesperson, Anthonine Pierre, said in a statement after O’Neill was chosen that “talk is cheap,” and called for for specific reforms to make police more accountable.
NYPD Chief of Department James O’Neill speaks at a press conference on security during the Times Square New Year’s Eve celebration on December 29, 2015 in New York City.
Photo: Andrew Burton/Getty Images
In New York, that has yet to happen.
Last month, for instance, the New York City Council declined to consider a legislative proposal that could have made it mandatory for police officers to identify themselves and explain the reasons for a stop. The proposal, known as the Right to Know Act, was endorsed by some 200 community organizations “as a way to bring transparency and accountability into the most common interactions that people are having with the police,” Bandele said. But in a backroom deal, Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito reached a compromise with the NYPD to adopt some reforms as a matter of department policy rather than law.
The deal was met with anger by police reform groups, which noted that the police chokehold that killed Eric Garner two summers ago was also against the department’s policy. That wasn’t enough to keep officer Daniel Pantaleo from “walking around free as a bird today,” Bandele said.
“We can’t get strong community oversight,” he added. “We can’t get legislation that requires the NYPD to do certain things. All these things that are very clear-cut seem to have a lot of trouble getting through, but people want to talk about community policing as an answer. If they have no reason to fear any repercussions, there is nothing to stop them from continuing to do what they do.”
So far, there is no indication of that change under O’Neill.
“We need to pay very close attention to the accountability mechanisms that are being put in place by the new commissioner,” Michael Sisitzky, policy counsel at the New York Civil Liberties Union, told The Intercept. “If they are truly committed to community policing and improving this relationship, the community’s trust in the police force is diminished every time that an officer is not held accountable for misconduct or abuse of their authority.”
In a statement to The Intercept, a spokesperson for the mayor’s office deflected criticism of the city’s community policing initiative. “From reducing Stop and Frisk and marijuana arrests, to launching neighborhood policing and body cameras, we’ve taken clear steps to strengthen the NYPD’s relationship with the community while keeping New York the safest big city in America,” the spokesperson wrote.
The NYPD did not respond directly to the criticism, instead referring to previous statements about its neighborhood policing initiative. Describing the initiative, the department said the same two officers would be assigned to the same sector each day, and that they would receive mediation training and other resources to address local issues. The department also recently announced that it would add 1,300 officers to the force to implement its program —but eased previous restrictions on the use of Tasers and prepared to train 4,000 officers to carry the stun guns, drawing fears and sarcasm about what the city’s new community policing would look like.
Condemnation of the NYPD’s community policing approach also comes from many who fear it will essentially enable the continuation of one of Bratton’s most criticized legacies: his “broken windows” approach to policing, the aggressive pursuit of so-called “quality of life” offenses that funnel thousands of people into the justice system — and the city’s infamous Rikers jail — every year.
Several community groups working on policing issues in the city welcomed Bratton’s early departure, but cautioned that without serious police reform, his successor would just oversee more of the same.
“We are not sorry to see him go,” said the Police Reform Organizing Project, which is a grassroots group that, among other issues, has been fighting to put an end to arrest “quotas” that the police department continues to deny despite evidence to the contrary. “It is not time, though, to pop the champagne bottles yet.”
Activists protest the New York Police Department’s “Broken Windows” policy outside the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association offices on January 16, 2015 in New York City.
Photo: Andrew Burton/Getty Images
Others cautioned that the promise of community policing would only serve to distract from practices that without reform will long outlive Bratton’s run at the helm.
“We’re concerned community policing is going to be a term that covers up the continued employment of broken windows policing,” Sisitzky told The Intercept. “What community policing should look like is actually listening to the concerns of New Yorkers and giving them meaningful input into what works in their community and what doesn’t — and what doesn’t work is this continued aggressive enforcement of nonviolent, noncriminal offenses.”
But as community policing spreads across the country as the feel-good, simplistic solution to one of the most troubling manifestations of the country’s structural inequality, so is skepticism about it.
In a 2015 report on Chicago’s version of community policing, known as the Alternative Policing Strategy, the local anti-police violence group We Charge Genocide said that effort, too, “has not resulted in meaningful community control over police.”
Instead, according to the group, community policing enlisted some community leaders and businesses, many already contributing to gentrification and displacement, to deflect criticism and rally support for policing without demanding changes to police practices.
“Community policing is the superficial involvement of select community members in providing police with legitimacy,” the report read. “Community policing acts as a shield for police.”
There is a tremendous amount of confusion in the minds of workers in regard to the true nature of the “special bodies of armed men (and women)” and their role in a capitalist state. As Trotskyists, we are fortunate to have inherited the crystal-clear Marxist analysis of the role of the police in a capitalist state.
1) The USA, like the European countries and most countries on this planet has a CAPITALIST government.
2) Under capitalism, their are two primary classes: the working class (who create all the wealth of society through their labor power and who make up over 70% of the population) and the capitalist class (who own the means of production and whose wealth is obtained through the systematic robbery of the profits generated by the workers through their labor power – making up less than 10% of the population).
3) The police and military are the “special bodies of armed men and women” who are hired by and in the final analysis answerable only to the capitalist class whose persons and whose capitalist private property and investments domestic and international the cops and military are to protect above all else. The police in a capitalist country DO NOT “serve and protect” the working class AND the capitalist class equally. In fact the police do not “serve and protect” the working class at all – and black and other minority workers least of all. The state arose due to the irreconcilable class antagonisms that exist between the workers and their exploiters. The state exists to defend the “rights” of the wealthy to their ill gotten gains, against the workers who periodically seek to force a radical redistribution of wealth. Thus we always see the police taking the side of the capitalists in EVERY labor strike for higher wages and better working conditions. The police have NEVER fought on the workers side against the capitalist class no matter how brutally the workers were being exploited, and they never will. The police are here to protect the wealthy 10% (who in the US possess 75% of the nation’s wealth) against the “bottom 90%” who are forced to fight among themselves for the remaining 25% of the national wealth. [Source: Federal Reserve Bulletin “Changes in US Family Finances 2010 -2013: Evidence from the Survey of Consumer Finances” at http://wp.me/a2pWGj-OV Pages 10 and 11]
4) “Community control of the police” – insofar as this vague and misleading term pretends to mean “workers control of the police” is IMPOSSIBLE under capitalism! Those who spread this pernicious lie among the workers are leading them like lambs to the slaughterhouse. Workers can not fight an enemy they can not see or comprehend. To successfully stop racist police brutality workers must have a clear understanding of what it is that they are up against. A workers army that is “led” by generals who do not know the difference between ally and mortal enemy is an army that is doomed to destruction – no matter how large or militant.
5) The only way that the working class can attain true “control over the police” is through a workers socialist revolution in which the capitalist class and the capitalist economic system and its special bodies of armed men and women are OVERTHROWN and replaced with an egalitarian socialist workers government. After the revolution it will be the armed, integrated working class itself that will maintain order under the new socialist system; the racist killer cops of today and their capitalist masters will be thrown into the jails they built for the working class – where they belong.
We hope that clarifies things for you; if you would like to know more we recommend you read “The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State” by Friedrich Engels https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm and “The State and Revolution” by V. I. Lenin https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/index.htm Those workers who are not willing to take a couple of hours to read these two absolutely indispensable contributions to their own liberation from capitalist wage-slavery will NEVER be able to put an end to racist cop terror, period.
Capitalism must die so the working class may live!
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We would like to add another very helpful essay on the state that was given in the form of an address to students by Lenin back in 1919. It’s a great introduction to the subject for those who are new to it: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1919/jul/11.htm It has the added benefit of showing what a great and patient teacher of the working class Lenin was.
IWPCHI
Great analysis.
TheIntecept’s “ethical journos” keep censoring our comments. Let me try this way:
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https://ipsoscustodes.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/theintercept-2016081-new-nypd-commissioners-focus-on-community-policing-is-a-distraction-not-a-solution/
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RCL
There are Lies, Damn Lies and Then There’s ‘Community Policing’
Comprehensive article about the “complete bull shit and spin” of ‘community policing’ by Josmar Trujillo, published in May of 2015.
I suggest reading the entire article. Here’s the conclusion: “Cops will never reform themselves. The attempts to bring them closer to us by quite literally packaging us in this same, tired concept of ‘community policing’ is a spin that no one seeking justice should fall for.
Thank you (and in a sense nothing new ;-)). I would suggest this other article to let you see if more policing, social or of any other kind is truly needed. I mean they already “monitor” everyone of us and our shadows 24×7, but, bummer!, they haven’t been able to get into our minds directly and know and reprogram what is in there …
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Village Voice: 2016-06-28 NYPD Watchdog Shatters Bratton’s ‘Broken
Windows’ — Now What?, by NICK PINTO
When sixteen-year-old Rhamar Perkins escaped police officers who were
trying to arrest him for jumping a subway turnstile in Brownsville
last week, the NYPD scrambled an all-night manhunt, complete with
helicopters. The mobilization was eventually called off when Perkins
turned himself in to the precinct four and a half hours later, but the
incident — an all-out effort to catch a boy who skipped out on a $2.75
fare — makes for a pretty tidy illustration of what policing in New
York City looks like in 2016.
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http://www.villagevoice.com/news/nypd-watchdog-shatters-brattons-broken-windows-now-what-8796746
RCL
More policing of violent crime is needed, but the solution is actually less policing of victimless crimes and an end to a multitude of Prohibitions on “sinful” but nonviolent behavior. Most people cannot begin to see this problem, unfortunately, due to their own closedmindedness and traditional moralism.
Both Melissa Mark-Viverito and Guillermo Linares are part of “nexus”, a semi secret community policing/snitching program run by the NYPD used to gang stalk and harass people. All kinds of business from filthy bodegas to University departments in NYC must have their snitching cells.
Once I was sitting reading in a retired place around the Harlem Meer section of Central Park (some people and families leisurely sitting around) and she showed up out of the blue as part of a string of people who had walked by me uninterruptedly staring at in an angry offensive, totally unnatural ways for no reason whatsoever. Same thing with Guillermo Linares while I have visited housing meetings in Inwood. Mona will tell me I am just crazy but I know very well how those “community policing” snitching @ssh0l3s operate.
How do I know her/them so well? Well, she is a good friend of my ex-wife who is a social justice hot head and the director of picture the homeless. I have gusto at exposing those emming effing morons who don’t respect themselves to begin with. They are supposed to advocate for “We the people” instead of snitching for the NYPD
As it happened with Nazis, those idiots think that people don’t notice, that they easily forget, that they are actually “doing you a favor” …
RCL
I grew up in a police state (Cuba of the 60’s) as part of a family of high profile political dissidents, anarchists, teachers and artists; then I went to school in East Germany (stasi land) and after being imprisoned in Gitmo for a year, I have lived in “‘the’ land of ‘the’ ‘free’ …” for 20+ years. At this point I don’t see it anymore as a moral, ethical, humanistic thing anymore, but anthropologically speaking we are all just pretentious apes whose collective consciousness gets tired at some point, so we feel the collective, cultural (U.S. Academia, media) and individual urge to go ape … and invariably, throughout history, when our minds and humanity have gone down the toilet we have drawn self-serving illusive believes on the toilet paper we use about our kind of apeness being “justified”, the right, honorable kind …
I knew something was going to happen to the outgoing police chief after he meekly doubted the idea of socializing police in public. Those of you who are talking about those kinds of problems as if they were “technical”, “Mathematical” problems either don’t know police or are shills advancing their cr@p. They are socializing police work which is a crucial part of a self-policing police state. The kind of self-righteous “patriots” who would “share responsibility” with police are not only rewarded with money and status, but feel “great” about doing such things to other people.
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youtube.com/watch?v=6cgmo-t-L7I
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// __ Muslim Woman Accuses Chicago Police Of Profiling, Attacking Her
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/06/30/muslim-woman-accuses-chicago-police-of-profiling-attacking-her/
June 30, 2016 8:51 AM By Dana Kozlov
Filed Under: Chicago Police Officers, Dana Kozlov, Itemid “Angel” Al Matar, Muslim, Racial Profiling
CHICAGO (CBS) — One minute a Muslim woman was running to catch her train, the next she was tackled by Chicago police officers, and it didn’t end there.
Itemad “Angel” Almatar said she faced more humiliation at the hands of police before being arrested for no reason. CBS 2’s Dana Kozlov has this Original Report.
Almatar’s 4th of July commute home last year ended terrifyingly. CTA surveillance camera video shows her overtaken by five Chicago police officers as she climbed the stairs of the State/Lake station in the Loop.
“They threw me to the stairs, and grabbed my bags. They kicked me, hit me, took off my hijab,” she said.
Almatar said police also grabbed her backpack, which was filled with food to end her Ramadan fast , but officers never told her why.
“They asked me why I put my food inside my bag, why I’m Muslim, why I’m fasting, why I’m wearing these clothes, why I cover my body,” she said.
Almatar said she was terrified. “Close to die, actually,” she said.
She thought the people who grabbed her might be thieves, until they arrested her.
“She was strip searched, videographed, and at the same time men were allowed to see her naked. This is the ultimate horror you can do to a Muslim woman,” said Imam Malick Mujahid, a Muslim community leader in Chicago.
Almatar was charged with reckless conduct and resisting arrest, but on Wednesday a Cook County judge found her not guilty. Her attorneys said the police officers are guilty of profiling and violating her rights, perhaps in the name of vigilance.
“We know a couple things. There’s a Constitution, and the Constitution says you can’t just grab people for no reason whatsoever,” said Aaron Goldstein, a supervising attorney with the Cook County Public Defender’s office.
In court, prosecutors said police officers first yelled ‘Stop!’ but the video of the incident shows no one turning around in response, even though several other commuters were walking up the stairs with Almatar.
A spokesperson for the Chicago Police Department said he would look into the incident and what, if any, action was taken internally.
The Cook County State’s Attorney’s office did not respond to a request for comment.
Almatar said she plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit soon.
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RCL
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-shootings-20160810-story.html
“Advocates for radical change to the country’s policing culture have become increasingly critical of community policing as a meaningless, politically expedient catchphrase that is used to deflect attention from deeper problems within police departments.”
I strongly disagree. Yes, we need a lot more than just community policing, but it would be much better if the cops actually lived in the community and walked beats instead of driving or riding in cars. Just because there are other more important things needed doesn’t make community policing meaningless.
So called “community policing” is not only meaningless but it’s, as the article points out, a lie to keep citizens from having a real say in policing.
“So called “community policing” is not only meaningless but it’s, as the article points out, a lie to keep citizens from having a real say in policing.”
It’s funny how you cite the article as your evidence of fact. The concept that the author of the article may be wrong never appears to enter your reasoning.
Jeff is right. There are some good things about community policing that actually help with this problem. Is it the solution to the entire problem? No. But it’s a step in the right direction.
This problem will only get solved locally. Each of us is responsible for monitoring those tasked with policing our communities. The solution cited in the article is not realistic.
You rarely if ever say anything. Nothing you said in that comment has anything to do with my “reasoning” or what the article said or what were in store for if we continue to let NYPD and others hold control. You just repeat the balderdash that if the cops and their union and the 1% pretend to be doing a fucking thing about their criminal organization then we citizens can sit the hell down and shut up; at least long enough to see how it works out.
For your sake, you’d better not be on the abused end an abusive relationship, because, if you are, you’re in for nothing but more abuse or, if you’re the abuser you’ll continue lying to the abused that you’ve seen your evil ways and promise to stop. Only a complete fool would fall for your trash talk.
There are only two choices here (aside from eliminating cops altogether, which would be fine with me): 1) make cops live in the communities they police and walk beats; or 2) allow cops to continue to be an occupying army that lives elsewhere and rides/drives around in their armored vehicles. I understand that community policing can be used to deflect attention from the bigger issues — like cops being the army of the rich, oppressing people of color and poor people, and repressing demonstrators and dissent — but you fail to understand, as the author here and the critics she quotes obviously do, that community policing is far better than the alternative.
Are you really that dense? I can only go by your two comments, which convince me that you really are that dense, or that you think others are dense enough to believe your “only two choices” bull shit. Either way, you’re yet another commenter who is nothing but a waste of time.
The picture is that of a military unit – not a police squad..
Combat assault ready, which has nothing to do with policing our streets.
The weapons are an outreach of the Afghanistan / Iraq… WAR… the war based on lies and it is for assault on our citizens like the days of the LABOR ORGANIZING……beating – killings. Ludlow, Co. women and children displaced from the company owned houses living in tents in the dead of winter – gunned down…..
It is more than BLACK LIVES MATTER
U.S.A. is Terrorist #1 at home and abroad. Period.
The Mayor of New York City and everyone else know that the slaughter of civilians by the police will continue regardless of who is directing these agencies because these policies are designed in Washington as part of a major plan of indoctrination of the masses.
Twice in the last six months the New York City Police Department policemen without warrants raided my apartment at gun-point after breaking its door, and would have assassinated me if I had resisted.
The Mayor through its Civilian Complaint Review Board exonerated the NYPD.
Who are the terrorists?
Ultimately all efforts at police ‘reform’ will fail to change the basic nature of the police. They are not part of a wider working class community, but a force used by those in power to control that community. If the ‘community’ wants to control that force, they will have to actually be in real political power – not beggars. The solution to police problems is to put the working class into power.
Would the NYPD run stop-and-frisk searches of wealthy patrons exciting exclusive Manhattan clubs and NY prosecutors throw the book at any of them caught with cocaine? Bloomberg would never have done this, his friends and associates might have been swept up in such raids.
This has been the nature of drug war enforcement ever since Prohibition. Smedley Butler wrote about precisely this thing; he was hired by the mayor of Philadelphia to enforce Prohibition in 1924-1925 and, after closing many speakeasies in the lower-class section of town, he brought charges against expensive hotels like the Ritz-Carlton; and the Mayor of Philadelphia had him fired two weeks later.
Butler is better known for exposing an attempted fascist coup by pro-Nazi Wall Street interests in the United States in 1934:
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/11/08/18628134.php
This is the real nature of drug war-related police work in the United States: kiss the ass of wealthy patrons, stomp all over poor people, and you get rewarded with promotions. Impartial enforcement of the law is not desired by political leaders or their wealthy financiers.
If you can find it, I think Butler’s book is “The Plot to Seize the White House”.
The author is Jules Archer. The book is about Butler. Butler wrote “War is a Racket”, a small book that can be found as a free download on the web.
They are so intoxicated by drinking their own kool-aide that they cannot see even the simplest logic. Lao Tsu said: He who does not trust enough will not be trusted. To earn the trust of the communities, the police must learn to identify with those communities; simply injecting themselves into those communities is meaningless. But to identify with the communities, they must overcome their racist, classist tendencies. Where is the program within the NYPD to see all the citizens of NY as people, all equal before the law?
You assume their goal isn’t simply to keep the lower classes in submission.
See JDawg’s response. The cops are the army of the rich and always have been. The only way that’s going to change is with much more mentally, emotionally, and spiritually evolved communities with much lower populations.
The police are a combatant role in our current state of democracy, therefore they cannot be relied upon as peacemakers, nor is it even reasonable to consider police will ever soften-up: this is the delusions represented within the left wing.
Here’s the facts: Crime will rise, because the US economy is in shamble and because gangs cannot be stopped in the US, there is no courage or capability in existence my LE! Otherwise Gangs would be no more. Look at Chicago, the entire city is run by the Sinaloa Cartel with the blessings on the DEA – unbelievable.
There is zero communication between local, state and federal crime agencies, none – therefore full collaboration has totally failed, and the general population can no longer trust the leaders in each of these.
Police will continue to militarize until the day we establish marshal law in the USA, which should be in about 3 years.
FTW
“Here’s the facts: Crime will rise, because the US economy is in shamble and because gangs cannot be stopped in the US, there is no courage or capability in existence my LE!”
yeah, actually crime’s been dropping basically since 1991. try again.
“There is zero communication between local, state and federal crime agencies, none”
literally every day i see multiple levels of agencies coordinating to protect a major transit hub through which i commute. try again.
“Police will continue to militarize until the day we establish marshal law in the USA, which should be in about 3 years.”
you are delusional. it’s really depressing that a site with such good reporting attracts such lunatic commenters.
As the lines become blurrier I wonder when community policing will become capable of getting away with murder just like police. I would like to see reform in both.
Keep up the good work
If “the good work” is terrorism the NYPD is doing very well.
Maybe if the cops just laid-down their weapons and did as the thugs told them to do none of this would matter…
Your suggestion that cops lay down their weapons and do what cops tell them to do is indicative of an absurdist level of circulatory.
Perhaps you meant that cops, as public servants should do as the public that they are sworn to serve and protect tell them to do, which you somehow disagree with when the public involves people of color, but you are at least cognizant that saying “niggers and wetbacks” would make your position to obvious, so you placed a thin veil over yoir racism by dog-whistling the word “thugs”?
However, one only needs to look at the video of the murder of Eric Garner, or the video of a whiteshirted thug pepperspraying a caged girl at Occupy, or any other of far too many well-documented examples to see that the real thugs are the ones with badges.
> you placed a thin veil over yoir racism by dog-whistling the word “thugs”
Obama stands by the term ‘thugs,’ White House says
That’s right fool – words only mean what YOU say they mean…
You’ve help me make my point: If the cops had just put down their weapons and left him alone, Eric Garner would still be alive today…
We need to disarm the cops, to ensure that all THUGS have free reign to do as they please, then all will be good in the world…
I have to agree; your use of the word thugs in the above context makes it pretty obvious to me as well. Other people’s perception is in fact your reality.
To be honest I’m quite surprised there’s not more of your ilk on this board. It seems every comment board I go through is full of people who aren’t afraid to be blatantly racist and those like you who think they aren’t.
No one should be afraid to be openly racist. Freedom of speech is the foundation of democracy, and Nazis and the KKK have the right to speak their belief in a supreme race. However they should rightly fear the just consequences for real crimes they may commit such as murder or terrorism. They should be taught that, biologically, race only consists of cosmetic traits, and there is no real evolutionary hierarchy in nature.
> eased previous restrictions on the use of Tasers and prepared to train 4,000 officers to carry the stun guns
it’s the lesser of two evils
“But members of these communities say that knowing their local cops won’t stop them from getting killed by the police.”
Alice and those she quoted who share her agenda are implying the only solution is police-hating advocacy groups having some control over the various police departments, review boards and whatnot… that other ideas are distractions, not solutions.
I laugh at the idiocy of that statement and you should also. When Sean Hannity quotes a neo con to make an ideological point, yall laugh, right? Why don’t you do it when one of your liberal friends does the same thing?
Sean and Alice are more alike than many of you accept.
You are clueless. I’ve live in the hood and seen firsthand how cops unjustifiably attack and brutalize the people there. You’re right that we do hate them, but for damn good and justifiable reasons. You’re dead wrong that communities should not be given control over the policing of their own communities; in fact your attitude is that of a slave master or feudal lord.
Where did I say communities should not be given control? I didn’t.
The federal government is not likely to force that on a federal level and not all local departments will voluntarily make the change. Therefore it’s not a realistic solution, just a dream.
Feel free to call me a slave master though if it makes you feel better. None of us know the solution as individuals. Collectively it will get solved slowly.
Remove police immunity.
You said, “Alice and those she quoted who share her agenda are implying the only solution is police-hating advocacy groups having some control over the various police departments, review boards and whatnot.” I interpreted that to mean that you think that poor communities who hate the police should not have control over their police departments. If you mean otherwise, please say so.
Maybe a change in policy isn’t a change in law.
But couldn’t you say just as easily, and more correctly, that changing law to make police tell you why you’re being stopped is only a distraction from the need to abolish the idiotic War on Drugs in the first place? I mean I’m still reading this kind of crap ( http://www.newsweek.com/deported-central-american-teens-harrowing-choice-488485?google_editors_picks=true ) to which Ronald Reagan is grandmother and grandfather half a dozen times over again, by declaring a War on Drugs, by deporting premade prison gangs, by legalizing the illegal immigrants, by funding death squads, by intimidating Nicaragua out of providing humanitarian refuge, and by forging to CIA-Contra-cocaine connection in Los Angeles. The fact that people in New York are getting hassled by police when they don’t want to be is just the faintest whiff of that from a thousand miles away; really, if they are buying drugs from any of the cartels, the harassment arguably is no worse than they deserve from collusion, whether as individuals or as a country. We need to STOP America’s funding of the whole wretched project. When police stop you only because somebody got mugged or stabbed or his car windows bashed in, or at least ran a red light or something, people will be less suspicious and more willing to cut them some slack – and will not have as many things to fear.