Warming up the crowd for Donald Trump on Monday in Youngstown, Ohio, former mayor of New York Rudy Giuliani offered a glimpse into the alternate reality he has now signed on to by describing the presidency of George W. Bush as a time of undisturbed peace and security for Americans.
During “those eight years, before Obama came along,” Giuliani said, “we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the United States — they all started when Clinton and Obama got into office.”
Giuliani, NYC mayor during 9/11, says there were no "successful radical Islamic terror attack" in 8 yrs before Obama pic.twitter.com/0A6qQH9clR
— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) August 15, 2016
Given that Giuliani’s entire post-mayoral career has been based on the fact that he was the mayor of New York City when the World Trade Center was destroyed on September 11, 2001 — eight months into Bush’s first term, and more than seven years before Obama succeeded him — it was a bizarre mistake for him to make.
What made the lapse even harder to explain was that it came just seconds after Giuliani had mentioned the attack in 2001 and praised Trump’s running mate, Mike Pence, for visiting the site of the collapsed towers with him that year.
But as Jeet Heer, a senior editor at the New Republic, observes, Giuliani didn’t forget about the attacks in 2001, he just doesn’t think they should count.
“According to Republicans like Giuliani,” Heer explains, “Bush can never be held accountable for 9/11, while everything that happens under Obama’s watch, from ISIS to Syrian civil war, is the president’s responsibility. This sort of partisan logic might make sense to die-hard Republicans, but it comes across as unhinged to everyone else.”
Giuliani has been pursuing this odd case for quite some time. In an interview with ABC News on January 8, 2010, the former mayor told George Stephanopoulos, “We had no domestic attacks under Bush.”
For his part, Bush himself repeatedly argued that his administration “kept America safe” in the years after 9/11, in part by bringing “freedom” to millions of Afghans and Iraqis.
The former mayor’s selective memory about 9/11 is particularly apt, given that the candidate he is now supporting, Donald Trump, falsely claims to remember watching news footage that day (which does not exist) showing “thousands and thousands” of American Muslims in New Jersey cheering as the towers fell.
Adding a layer of irony to the fact that Giuliani made his remarks on Monday in support of Trump is the fact that Trump himself stunned the Republican establishment in February by mocking the idea that Bush had kept Americans safe, since “the World Trade Center, during his time in office, came down.”
The worldview that everything that’s gone wrong in the United States in recent years is Obama’s fault has deep roots in the Trump campaign. Just two weeks ago, Trump’s national spokesperson, Katrina Pierson, nonsensically claimed that President Obama was responsible for the death of an American soldier who was killed in Iraq in 2004, five years before he took office. On Saturday, Pierson told CNN that Obama had also started the war in Afghanistan.
Trump campaign spokeswoman Katrina Pierson says "Barack Obama went into Afghanistan" https://t.co/6OZtrfIwim https://t.co/K1Sa9ViwmW
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) August 13, 2016
Pierson later tried to blame sound problems in the CNN broadcast for her latest bizarre claim, but her own Twitter account reveals that she has been enraged at Obama for starting the war in Afghanistan for at least four years.
Then started a war in Afghanistan. “@BarackObama: President Obama: "I promised to end the war in Iraq, and we did."”
— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) October 10, 2012
For her part, Pierson might offer some support for Giuliani’s claim that the September 11 attacks were not an example of a “successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the United States,” since she has suggested that they might have been carried out by the U.S. government.
9/11 … An inside job?
— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) September 13, 2012
Top photo: On September 12, 2001, New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Senator Hillary Clinton toured the site of the destroyed World Trade Center.
Could we see this as the first time a U.S. public official acknowledges that the 9-11 attacks were NOT islamic terrorism?
FUNNY – how the planes struck where they just finished upgrading the fireproofing – or the fact that they used explosives robots to go through the debris. B-U-T as funny as that is – the plane also struck the pentagon where they just finished the same work
So the “Thanks Obama” meme is no longer restricted to the stupider parts of the internet, huh? I find this darkly funny.
His comment is technically true, as “radical Islam” does not exist. Jihadists are more aligned with reactionaries than radicals. For radicals, see Che Guevera, Fidel Castro. For reactionaries, think Hitler, Bin Laden, etc.
This is why Obama won’t call it “radical Islam.” He would sound ignorant if he called it “radical” when it’s actually a reactionary movement. Is the President supposed to dumb down his language to suite the American people?
I don’t have a horse in the race, I couldn’t care less about the presidential election, I’m just making an observation is all.
For one of the better documentaries detailing the 9/11 attacks, Al Jazeera’s “In Plain Sight” is well worth watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbsr0jWuwZ8
It details the numerous warnings delivered to the U.S. government before 9/11, and shows that the both the “official U.S. narrative” and “9/11 Truth Movement narrative” are both nonsense (and may very well be written by the same actors). There are too many pieces of evidence that point to CIA and FBI monitoring of the Al Qaeda hijackers both outside and inside the United States to believe that the Bush Administration didn’t know that terrorist hijackings were planned – and yet, the Bush team took no action to prevent them.
One more layer of shit in the shitstorm, pretty much.
Lawmakers Outline Potential Perjury Case Against Clinton in Letter to U.S. Attorney http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/lawmakers-outline-potential-perjury-case-against-clinton-in-letter-to-u-s-attorney/
People interested in the 9/11 truth should read the comment section at https://theintercept.com/2016/07/15/saudi-ties-to-911-detailed-in-documents-suppressed-since-2002/?comments=1#comments
Lots of interesting discussion and links there.
Thanks to The Intercept for resolving
the recent “forum issues”.
Report: Netanyahu Says 9/11 Terror Attacks Good for Israel
According to Ma’ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is ‘benefiting from attack’ as it ‘swung American public opinion.’
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044
“Where’s The Dress?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsG_hVxWmK0
Ken O’Keefe on ISIS, Jews, “Anti-Semitism,” and 9-11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwRdtAOGX8
Having done some research on Ken O’Keefe I’m not inclined to think much of his views on this sort of thing. He admires David Duke. He also apparently hangs out with conspiracy theorists such as those who are obsessed with the “chem trails” stuff. Moreover, I found more than one pro-Palestinian person and group denouncing him as actually antisemitic.
Virtually all good movements have some extremists and cranks in their midst. There are plenty of activists and journalists who don’t go where this O’Keefe guy does and who are more grounded in evidence and fact, and without the racist baggage.
[…”and without the racist baggage.”]
I assume you are the RACIST BAGGAGE HANDLER…or a self appointed one that can’t see past your own.
@ Mona…
You call everyone a David Duke supporter (to include myself when I haven’t the slightest connection) so as to align your judgmental ANTISEMITISM on anyone you deem worthy. ISIS members do that very sort of thing. Your fist condemns yourself.
@ Mona…
It’s funny that you say the same thing President G. Bush said on this video @ 14:20..
“Let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of Sept. 11th. Malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.”
Wow…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsPIj3qMGLY
Israel 911 & The War On Islam – The Israeli 9/11 Connection Full Documentary Film
Agreeing with Bush on that point are Noam Chomsky and Glenn Greenwald.
Wow…
I guess that would explain Noam Chomsky’s support for HRC…and GG…AND MONA.
That is false. Months ago I criticized one of your sources for approvingly relying on Duke. O’Keefe admires Duke.
As for this:
I’m not even sure what it means.
Your link exposes a “redemption” on David Duke. That he no longer embraces white supremacy….that he has changed.
Are you saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE to change from bad to good? Because that is what you are doing.
I’ve got news for your desperately depraved mind…
THERE IS REDEMPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CHANGE…whether you choose to believe it or not.
Isn’t that why TI reports on the Death Penalty?
Just be aware…that the same unforgiveness will come toward you who has dished it out too many times toward people who you don’t even know.
But for those reading…be assured that there is REDEMPTION if you want it.
Now you are simply lying. That article states:
And yet more lies:
Chomsky has said he will vote for HRC to stop Trump. (Which is wholly irrelevant to anything under discussion.) Neither Greenwald nor I take that position. And your notion that I’m a racist is sheerly stupid.
Bye.
Wow! My admiration for Chomsky just slipped a notch. I never took him for one to be swept away by fear-mongering.
Where did I see a headline stating that Donald Trump is imploding on purpose? Now, if there were an iota of truth to that, to whom would we look to find out where his false campaign started in the first place?
And speaking of which, who paid for those nice Vote Trump t-shirts in Belgrade? Is it possible they came in Joe Biden’s luggage? ;-)
Sack them all! Vote third party!
@ Mona…
I remember you defending Palestinian stone throwers saying that they have no other choice, being occupied by Israeli oppression, tyranny, murder, and genocide. But you call Ken O’keefe who has been a receiver of a high regard from Hamas leadership in solidarity with Gaza and all of Palestine…who has spent years since the Iraq War as a soldier trying to educate the American public of the US/Israeli lies and atrocities of war…atrocities of Palestinian oppression, and working endlessly to reveal the 9/11 truth…a “racist”. Would you call TI the same thing? Would you call the thousands of activists for Palestinians the same thing? Would you call Nelson Mandela the same thing? Do rocks only belong to certain people with others left out? After all Ken has a Palestinian wife, had a Palestinian mother, and has children with Arab blood. Just sayin’
No you don’t. What I’ve written many times is that this kind of action is virtually inevitable among the young of a long-oppressed and subjugated population.
Ken O’Keefe is an Irish-Palestinian living in Ireland. There’s no justification for his uttering antisemitic sentiments and admiring David Duke.
My moral and political assessments are not guided by Hamas.
I rest my case…
You are utterly depraved, biased, RACIST, and utterly clueless.
“I rest my case…”
Resting is inadequate. Your “case” is so brain-dead stupid that only deep burial or cremation will be adequate.
Hi Doug…
Your nice is still the same…
What a shame…I don’t remember addressing you…nor did I comment on your argument(s) with Mona in the past. Thanks anyway. Have a nice day.
Indeed, he was actually speaking the truth. 9/11 was no terrorist attack, at least not in the conventional sense as from external sources. Giuliani simply made a Fraudein Slip. Official like him make them quite often, nearly always followed by awkward but obvious attempts to correct themselves. Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney have all made several obvious such slips. You just have to know what to listen for. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=george+bush+says+he+saw+first+plane+hit+twin+towers&&view=detail&mid=D321E119F08925368EE5D321E119F08925368EE5&rvsmid=038B3A25ECB7FF1F8B3E038B3A25ECB7FF1F8B3E&fsscr=0&FORM=VDQVAP
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dick+cheney+slips+up+and+admits+flight+93+shot+down&view=detail&mid=1746DD54550F57AC390E1746DD54550F57AC390E&FORM=VIRE
https://youtu.be/peIK3ZSxrHQ
I question the relevance of this article, but I do think that ‘9-11′ is frequently trotted out by journalists to increase traffic flow to their website. Nothing like a little ‘9-11′ teaser headline to get more activity goin’ on. Maybe that’s what’s happening here? In any event, that Guiliani would say such partisan nonsense is just typical election rally bloviating, intended to stir the pot, pander to the tea party wackos, demonize Obama, piss off liberals and carry water for GW /Trump. That’s Guiliani’s schtick, always has been. Moving right along…
Victoria Boulevard, an unhinged Trump supporter who is deeply racist — having called black people “baboons” and said they lack “sufficient grey matter” — is also an antisemite:
S/he’s also promoting 9/11 inanity about Mossad and Zionist being responsible for the Twin Tower attacks. Because that’s how deeply bigoted people “think.” It’s also a big part of the rancid cohort who support Donald Trump.
Got news Mona…Victoria is not the only one who believes 9/11 was a plot of Mossad/Zionist and I add CIA.
So that makes you against EVERY citizen who has the right to know the Truth about 9/11 that has had the green light to murder millions of people.
BBC covering up truth of 9/11- Ken O’Keefe & Richard Gage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVZbpnDu0k
(And please don’t call Ken O’Keefe who is 1/2 Palestinian a racist…?)
Ken OKeefe Exposes 9-11-01 in 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xcGL3zqNm0
I have no idea who he is. But if I learned he’s a racist, I’d say so.
Moreover, I’m not watching Youtube videos offered in support of extraordinary claims. I would read a transcript (there’s one available for the Brit Hume/Fox report on Israel’s advance knowledge). No credible journalist or outlet that I’m aware of has investigated and supported in writing this Mossad/CIA stuff.
Nor did I say differently. There’s no evidence for it, no matter who claims it.
There is, however, evidence that Israel knew particulars of the attack in advance, but gave the U.S. only a general warning so as not to reveal the extent of its spying operations on U.S. soil. Brit Hume and another journalist did a four-part series on that shortly after 9/11, which was rather quickly scrubbed from the Fox site. It is, however, available online.
Ken O’keefe does offer evidence…take a look at his video’s. If you don’t, then you conveniently and willfully leave out evidence and support the 9/11 atrocities and the numerous wars that have followed since then. Not to mention support of the zionists (inwhich you have condemned), the willful denial of ALL the countless murders in the ME that has had a green light since then. I really fail to understand you and your hypocrisy. You can CONDEMN SOMEONE AN ANTI-SEMITE on a breath but EXCUSE THE ACTIONS OF ISRAELI TERRORISTS ON EVIDENCE. Sorry, but I’ll accept someones bold face racism over a hypocrite any day. At least I know where they stand.
If he has compelling evidence then it’s available in written format and not solely in a Youtube video. Where’s the Greenwald, Scahill, Abunimah, Taibbi or Goodman on this?
Well there does indeed seem to be much that you “fail to understand,” but that’s not it.
This guy Sparrow is balls nuts!!!
Here’s the scrubbed Fox report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H20Naj176M0
There has been little doubt for years now that the official version of 9/11 in the NIST report cannot fully explain what happened that day.
This is due to the fact that the fall of building 7 was excluded from the report. The evidence provided for what happened at the Pentagon is good enough for the political class, most media outlets and wikipedia editors, but not for a vast range of independent researchers.
The attempts at putting such opinions in the “conspiracy theory” box is not taken so seriously anymore. Ironically, the media may share a gatekeeping function with Giuliani for an alternate reality in that regard.
“There has been little doubt for years now that the official version of 9/11 in the NIST report cannot fully explain what happened that day.”
So what happened? Please no links to a dumb video. Or are you just “raising questions”? What would satisfy you?
What about climate change? The moon landing?
Astonishingly, the Intercept appears to have censored me at https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/vindication-for-baltimore-police-critics-but-no-action/#comment-268644
A detailed comment that I posted there yesterday and which was up for a few hours later went missing. It was about how Shakeel Ahmed, an Indian Rail official corruptly vetted GE 2008 bid documents for Marhowra Project see http://gemarhowracorruptionpart2.blogspot.in/
Also I posted a comment similar to the one above in this comment section. It is not showing up in the default threads setting but shows up in the latest setting. Earlier today it was showing up in the threads setting too .
Why are we even listening to and or paying any attention to him and Bloomberg. As a native New Yorker, they are hated here by the majority, used 9/11 to make billions and are forgotten about. They crawl out of the wood work and should be completely dismissed and ignored. They are nobodies. No one under 60 listens to them or takes them seriously.
Maybe Mackey could do a piece on the NIST report.
What? Mackey has not the educational background to provide any meaningful analysis? That’s never stopped him before …
But then Mackey’s mission is to regurgitate talking points.
It’s being looked into. People are doing what NIST should have done. When they are finished it will be open and available to anyone who wants to use it worldwide. From New Deli to Moscow to Berlin to Beijing and Paris, engineering firms all over the world will have access to the models needed to run their own tests and come to their own conclusions.
The Truth will out, in spite of people like Mackey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apmiEzx4CkE
A three word tweet from almost four years ago being held against her? Maybe it’s time to stop tweeting.
Thanks for the link. Much welcomed. Even though we “need” this investigation…one can see with two eyes that B-7 was a controlled demo. The citizens deserve the Truth and deserve to see prosecuted the leaders of 9/11.
Thanks again.
Here’s another video worth the effort to listen to…for those of us who don’t have all of the facts that Dr. Hulsey presents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-zPna-OI70
Next question is keeping the CIA/MOSSAD locked up during this investigation.
“9/11 was an inside job” stands among “climate change is a hoax” and “The moon landing was fake” as things that instantly destroy credibility. If you’re not convinced by now, with oceans of evidence, there’s good reason to dismiss your competence in logic.
This is just a trope to get people to stop thinking and questioning establishment propaganda. And it never works on the smart people, who know that raising questions is never stupid.
Its no different from being told that religious myths cannot be questioned.
No conscience left when there is blood on their hands…
Smart people, LOL. That’s a nice way to describe mental illness.
My comment stated that smart people know it is never stupid to ask questions even to challenge official establishment “truths” and even on issues like 9/11, climate change and the moon landings.
According to you, asking questions on certain issues means these people are mentally ill.
Well, you seem to be an establishment propagandist out to stop people challenging “official” truths. And every one can see through your game. Fall in line folks or else … that’s you.
The key word used by Guiliani is
“successful.”
He can CON-fidently say this because the only successes in any
of the attacks has been the huge monetary gains which
privatized corporate profiteers (of numerous phony religions)
have enjoyed
while “terrorism” flourishes globally with the help of the
corporately owned democrats and republicans.
How many of the hundreds of thousands of Terror-ified dead
Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans,……. might say the greatest
terrorist “success” is the so-called USA?
The so-called U$A has arranged to destroy multiple nations
and millions of lives,
including their own faking U$A (by gutting its now former constitution),
while successfully reinforcing the tyranny of corporate profits
and cynically increasing divisiveness and violence among people
under the disguise of protecting “freedom.”
They will say anything for money and power.
It is not incidental that Hillary Clinton is in the picture.
Her re-writing of history is central to her fraudulence,
just as it is for Trump , Guiliani, and the vast majority of their ilk.
Rudy quite literally didn’t have two nickels to rub together on Set. 10th but by Sept 12th was well on his way to exploiting 9/11 into an obscene fortune.
Theres a special place in hell for people like Rudy G
Where is the story about Milwaukee? Black police officer shoots black male, and the apes want to attack white people and destroy private property?
George Soros is funding BLM because he is an old rich white man who wants the slaves to continue to be slaves. They control blacks through the Social Security, regulations, and drug laws.
Yes, Rudy was definitely involved in 9/11, just like Bush’s and the Democrats. People…..the Rothschild’s have looted our citizens and the economy from 1913. They have paid for both sides.
Black people can do no wrong – It’s always the White Man’s fault…
…which, of course, it never is.
“the apes”
Your racism is showing …
Victoria Boulevard called them “baboons,” and stated blacks have “insufficient grey matter.”
I had noticed that and wanted to say something then too, but then I noticed you had taken up the cause there. And I had something else on my mind then.
Both apes and baboons is atrocious. Being racist means being stupid and ignorant. Nothing to be proud of.
Hey let’s all grow a pair and call them apes to their faces! I’m so tired of always having to say things like that while hiding behind my computer! Let’s finally show ’em who’s boss!!!
I find it hilarious whenever an outlet that someone usually agrees with on most issues publishes something they don’t agree with. All of a sudden they are “establishment puppets” or “shills” simply because their view is not a homogenous clone of yours. This is very evident whenever people like Glenn Greenwald are critical of Trump or Clinton. If he criticizes the latter, he’s a Trump loving bigot, and if he critizices the former, he’s a shill for Hillary who loves the establishment.
Just because TI releases something that’s critical of your oh-so-favorite Donald it doesn’t mean it’s “establishment”, any comments about them or their journalists from the Executive branch should make that abundantly clear.
How many pieces here on Clinton and her devious, deceptive, criminal ways?
Exactly 0
This site – especially Mackey the Establishment Lackey – propagates anti-Trump bullshit as much as the Pro-Clinton MSM, so your point is insane.
How many pieces here on Clinton and her devious, deceptive, criminal ways?
Exactly 0
Well, I agree you won’t find them reading Mackey, but these aren’t exactly Clinton homages:
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/08/dems-tactic-of-accusing-adversaries-of-kremlin-ties-and-russia-sympathies-has-long-history-in-us/
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/george-w-bush-v-clinton-led-democrats-on-palestinians-equality-and-the-israeli-occupation/
Neither of these two articles are about Hillary Clinton. The first is about the US obsession with hating Russia and the second is about the US obsession with loving Israel.
Here’s an excerpt of Investigative Journalism pieces from The Intercept about Mrs. Clinton that you appear to have missed. These cover both her economic dealings as well as her foreign policy:
Sudan Child Soldier support dispite CSPA: https://theintercept.com/2016/06/09/hillary-clintons-state-department-gave-south-sudans-military-a-pass-for-its-child-soldiers/
Using Victory Fund money predominately for her own campaign instead of other Dems despite claims to the contrary: https://theintercept.com/2016/06/10/hillary-clinton-used-leadership-pac-as-slush-fund-in-2008-09/
Rolling back Obama’s ban on lobbying, bringing special interests back into the DNC: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/29/in-the-hillary-clinton-era-democrats-welcome-lobbying-money-back-into-the-convention/
Clinton’s VP pick speaks highly of TPP despite her pres. platform being against it: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/21/hours-before-hillary-clintons-vp-decision-likely-pick-tim-kaine-praises-the-tpp/
Pointing out that Clinton is also fuzzy with dictators, not just Trump:
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/14/donald-trump-praises-dictators-but-hillary-clinton-befriends-them/
Oppresing Palestinians:
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/12/george-w-bush-v-clinton-led-democrats-on-palestinians-equality-and-the-israeli-occupation/
Article about FBI Directors preemption of the Justice Department which critizices it as a blatant violation of internal regulations:
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/05/fbi-director-comey-preempts-justice-department-by-advising-no-charges-for-hillary-clinton/
Mr. Greenwald on the double standard of secrecy leaks, with Clinton as the starting point:
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/05/washington-has-been-obsessed-with-punishing-secrecy-violations-until-hillary-clinton/
Calling out special interest friendly language in Clinton Speech:
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/27/hillary-clinton-hints-at-giant-trump-like-giveaway-to-corporate-america/
The title of this one “Clinton criticizes Trump for one of the things he’s right about” speaks for itself:
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/22/hillary-clinton-adopts-the-shorthand-of-the-deficit-fearmongers/
Problematic comments from Clinton fundraiser on special interests:
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/03/heather-podesta/
Nondisclosure of Goldmann Sachs money flowing to her son-in-law:
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/27/hillary-clinton-wont-say-how-much-goldman-sachs-ceo-invested-with-her-son-in-law/
Using an old quote from 2008 to show her double standard on debates:
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/29/debate-ducking-hillary-clinton-in-08-candidates-should-be-tough-enough-to-debate-anytime-anywhere/
All of these articles can be found by searching for “Clinton” in the Intercept search field. How about accepting that they are critical of both candidates like a journalistic entity should be? If you don’t find this convincing enough, I really don’t know what to tell you.
I posted a comment clearly showing articles that are critical of Clinton, but it might’ve contained too many links and therefor been blocked. So I put it on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/W52WxYKY
Your message wasn’t blocked, it just doesn’t show up when you first open the forum, which shows “threads”…if you click on “latest”, your message is there.
All of my messages seem to only appear on the “latest” tab..just consider your post “buried”..
Btw, it seems as some people’s non-thread, stand-alone posts show up in the “thread” (default) section, while many others are consigned to the “latest”, must click to open, section.
Would make more sense to me to have the “latest” post section as the default setting imho.
For example, this post of mine, from last night appears only on the “latest” section:
“John Kerry fielding 9/11 questions re Larry Silverstein and World Trade Center # 7 at a University of Texas appearance… Hook ’em Horns!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbReTl3Uin0&app=desktop
Side-by-side view of WTC7 and “another” controlled demolition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Rm6ZFROmc&app=desktop
Wow, this issue seems strange..
I just posted a message on this very thread a minute ago, to use as an example of posts that get “buried” and guess what? It doesnt show up as part of this thread, though clearly I clicked on “reply” on this thread when I posted it!
A bit of “softcore” censorship”?
Don’t get too paranoid – You will need to refresh the page a couple of times…
Not being paranoid, refreshing doesn’t work, it appears to be the way I described it..
Multiple links in one comment can, indeed, cause a comment to disappear into the ether here.
In any event, this site has long published a great many articles smacking down Hillary Clinton, the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and assorted neoliberals. The racist and unhinged Trump supporters simply don’t like that this does not translate into support for their fuhrer.
I’m quite certain that not one writer here supports Donald Trump; based on their writing here and their tweets, most of these also appear to detest Hillary Clinton for all the correct reasons.
For me it’s ABC
..anyone but Clinton..
But with just a bit of research, it does appear that what I said in my other messages is, indeed, true.
Btw, this has happened to many of my, and others’, posts which have absolutely no links in them..
I can sympathize with the people that made these errors, because I myself have difficulty finding any difference between Bush and Obama.
Maybe start with reading some books by people who do know the differences?
Power Wars by Charlie Savage is a good start.
There is no difference both corrupt Nazi scum, both planted to serve their elite paymasters.
There’s a reason why these flim-flam artists keep saying outrageous things and letting the media call them out. It’s all a distraction, a diversion, an attack meant to keep the eye of the public from fixating on the one basic fact of life, which is that it’s the economy, stupid! An economy that is finally generating enough jobs to offer hard-core seekers a chance, if only at a lower-class position than what they used to have before the Republicans deregulated the banks, watched the CEOs make off with the money, and bailed out their bad bets. Given a chance, Trump and his cronies will see another big wave of fabulous trillionaire wealth even as the market gets ready to kiss 9,000 again; build fabulous offshore empires even as the U.S. makes no effort to control viruses that Cuba has no trouble keeping at bay. (contrast Zika in neighboring Puerto Rico – it is actually part of the American faith that the island ought to have a generation of literal pinheads to expiate their inability to raise tax revenue) But we’re not supposed to think about these things, so every day we have more gaffe and chaff to entertain us.
Intercept IS MSM lille brother!!!!
Technically, Giuliani is correct – there were no “terrorist” attacks on 9/11/01 – they were well-coordinated and staged attacks carried out under the auspices of the Neocon/Zionist cohort with the help of their Saudi brethren.
These were not terrorists, but “friends and acquaintances” of this cabal…
At this point, anyone who truly believes otherwise is a naïve fool.
those ‘friends and acquaintances’ of the cabal musta been really really special friends. the hijackers committed suicide for em.
granted, the 9/11 commission was a whitewash. and the cia is certainly not above killing americans for some stupid agenda or another.
we will never know the whole truth. filling in the gaps with wild speculation is certainly entertaining. but…..
maybe ancient alien astronauts built the pyramids and seeded human beings on planet earth. i’m sure many believe, or want to believe, because fantasy is more attractive than boring reality.
there is an abundance of credible evidence that revenge- mined fanatics from saudi arabia – who hated the united states for killing of hundreds of thousands of muslims and partnering with israel – hi-jacked jets and then crashed them into the towers, pentagon and a field.
what is believable and what one wants to believe will always be at odds.
You are one of those naïve fools I mentioned -Thanks for providing a supreme example!
Mossad Black Ops and False Flag Operations (For the Naïve Fools of the World):
Mossad: a shell organization for Jewish/Israeli terrorism all over the world.
False Flags: Committing an atrocious act, and blaming another party or nation for it. The point is to turn public opinion against an entity, and have someone else fight your battles for you.
Lusitania – Churchill, who was 1/2 Jewish, leaked intelligence to Germany that Lusitania carried munitions, and then it was sent it in a U-boat infested area. The ship was supposedly torpedoed, and a massive bomb exploded, killing 1200. This set the stage for Wilson to bring the USA into WW2, at a later date.
Kristallnacht – When government officials were away, Jewish-paid thugs went on a rampage in Berlin and some border towns. Nazis were blamed, and world opinion favored Jews
Bromberg massacre – An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres carried out prior to the 1939 invasion. A website on the atrocity at Bromberg explains how Polish Bolshevik Jews massacred 5,500 Germans, on one ‘Bloody Sunday, in 1939. This was the flashpoint for the Polish invasion.
The King David Massacre July 22, 1946 – Jewish terrorists blew up a hotel, and killed 91 British soldiers, and blamed the atrocity on Arabs. When later caught, they said the British had a list of their Arab spies and were going to turn them over to the Palestinians. The goal of the False Flag was to pit the British against the Palestinians.
Lavon affair In 1954 – Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring
RFK Assassination June 1968 – Robert Kennedy is shot by a PLO bus-boy named Sirhan Sirhan. Kennedy was running for President, and would have sought revenge over the Israeli killing of his brother. The use of a Palestinian was a little too ‘Hollywood’.
USS Liberty ….June 6th, 1967 – Six fighters, three torpedo boats and two assault helicopters attacked the USS Liberty. There were 24 dead and 177 maimed. F-4 phantoms were enroute when President Johnson stopped the rescue. Israel’s plan was to blame Egypt, and have the US retaliate against Egypt.
Black September 5, 1972 – Eight Palestinian “Black September” terrorists seized 11 Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany. In the rescue attempt by West German authorities, nine of the hostages, and five terrorists were killed. Israel, and it’s Jews, are once again the victim, and the Palestinians are demons.
1976 … Entebbe – Israel faked a hijacking to Kenya (Idi Imin was an Israeli puppet), and then pulled a rescue, portraying themselves as elite commandos. Arabs looked like monsters and the Israelis, having suffered countless persecutions, have decided to fight back.
1982 – Abu Nidal, who was an Israeli Black Ops agent, attacked the Jewish Goldenberg’s delicatessen in Paris. 6 were killed, and 20 were wounded, of which 2 were Jewish.
Pan Am flight 73 – A 747 was enroute from Karachi, to Frankfurt, to its final destination of New York. Four hijackers took control of the airplane, and for the next 16 hours, they held 379 passengers at gunpoint, while the pilots escaped. The plane was stormed and 20 died.
Beirut Marine barracks …October 23,1983 – 241 Marines died when a truck packed with explosives blew up a Marine barracks at Beirut International Airport
Achille Lauro …1985 – Abu Abbas, and 15 Arabs, took over a cruise ship and threw a Leon Klinghoffer overboard. After two days of negotiations, the seajackers abandoned the ship. In this False Flag, the Israelis turned world opinion against the Arabs, while once again portraying themselves as victims.
English policewoman shot….1984 In 1984 -Zionist Jews staged a protest outside the Libyan embassy in London. Approximately 25 English Bobbies were used for crowd control. During the middle of the demonstration, a shot rang out and a female Bobby named Yvonne Fletcher was hit and killed. The shot came from a building used by the Mossad to spy on the Libyan embassy, but the newspapers overlooked that and blamed Libya. Israel used this false flag murder of Policewoman Fletcher, to turn world opinion against Libya.
Alia airliner…1985 – Nidal’s Black September group hit a jet with an SAM as it took off from Athens airport. Although the rocket did not explode, it left a hole in the fuselage.
Lockerbie ….Dec 1988 – Mossad blew up Pan AM 103 and blamed it on Libya. Unfortunately, the plane was late and blew up overland, and all the evidence pointed towards Israel. Israel’s goal was to demonize the Muslims, and lay the groundwork for 9/11.
AMIA ….1992 – Mossad blew up AMIA and the Israeli Embassy in Argentina. Over 100 killed, and practically all of them were Argentineans.
Luxor, Egypt … 1992 – An attack on Luxor, by militants, in which 58 foreigners, most of them Swiss, were killed (71 Killed in total). Arabs blamed the Mossad. six gunmen disguised as police emerged from nearby cliffs and fired randomly at tourists visiting Luxor’s Temple of Hatshepsut, the Egyptian Information Ministry said. The Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya group ( “Vanguards of Conquest” according to CNN) is a revival of the Jihad organization (Headed by Ayman Al Zawahiry) which killed president Anwar Sadat in 1981. Israel destroyed Egyptian tourism, and turned world opinion against Muslims.
Khobar Towers …1996 – Khobar Towers was bombed. It housed an F-15 unit. Israel said it was done by Hezbollah, but US military investigators linked it to Mossad.
Karin-A…… 2000 – Israel intercepted a ship, the Karin-A, in the Red Sea. The ship contained massive weapons, which Israel claimed were destined for the PLO. A Jewish arms dealer set it all up. As a result, world opinion turned on the PLO, and Israel’s slaughter of rock throwing Arab children wasn’t questioned.
Two airports attacked …..1985 – Terrorists of Abu Nidal’s Black Sept. struck at the Rome and Vienna airports. Nineteen were killed at Schwechat Airport and three at the Rome airport.
LaBelle Disco ……1986 – As part of a Libya False flag, the Mossad sent a series of false messages out of Tripoli, talking of an impending attack. The Mossad then bombed a German Disco, the Labelle Club, killing three and wounding 230. President Reagan was convinced it was a Libyan attack, and retaliated by bombing Libya World opinion turned against Libya.
OKC Murrah Building …1993 – One of the Mossad’s American arms, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), was concerned about the growth of Patriot movements such as Militias, so an attack was staged using a Timothy McVeigh patsy, who was out of Elohim City (Jewish-sponsored terror Mecca). The real brains behind the OKC bombing were Andreas Strassmeir and Daniel Spiegelman, who were/are both Jewish. The Zionists destroyed the Militia movement’s credibility, and brought the FBI down on them.
Flight 840 – TWA’s Flight 840, a Boeing 727 flying from Rome to Athens with 115 passengers and seven crew members aboard, had already begun its descent toward the Athens international airport. Twenty minutes before landing, as it flew at 15,000 ft. over Argos, a town near the ancient site of Mycenae, an explosion shook the aircraft. Four were killed but 111 lived. Once again, Israel planted the seed of “Arab” terrorism.
World Trade Center…. 1993 – In Dec. 1992, an Israeli soldier, Nissim Toledano, was kidnapped and killed. The Israeli government rounded up 1600 members of Hamas, and deported 415 of them to the no-mans land between the Israeli and Lebanese borders. In the brutally inhospitable weather, these 415 Hamas members were stranded without food and shelter. Furthermore, the Israeli authorities stopped any humanitarian aid from reaching these people. With media focus on the deportees, it triggered international outrage against Israel, which was followed by international pressure on Israel that refused to go away. This time, Israel had bit off more than it could chew. It was time to ‘deflect’ pressure off Israel.
Israeli intelligence services went into action. A detailed process that is too long to elaborate here, hatched a plan. In the third week of February 1993, a truck bomb exploded in the basement of the World Trade Center building. Muslims used as scapegoats took the blame for it, while the real culprits were safely back in Israel. Thus world opinion and pressure was shifted away from Israel.
Port Arthur Massacre …..1996 – A 2-man Israeli Counter-Terrorism team wounded 25, and killed 35 at a remote tourist (It took them only 90 seconds in the Broad Arrow Cafe to kill 20.) center at Port Arthur, Tasmania. The blame fell on a mentally challenged man named Martin Bryant, Photographs of Martin Bryant had been digitally manipulated with the effect of making Bryant appear deranged. He has served as the designated patsy for this crime ever since.
Zionists got their long-awaited draconian gun control laws passed in Australia as a result of this massacre. funny how Bryant never even had a gun license.
Birmingham ….1998 – Birmingham abortion clinic bombed and two people killed. As a result of the bombing, abortion opponents were portrayed as lunatics, while the Jewish-dominated abortion industry special laws passed to protect their trade.
Egyptair 990 (MSR990)…..1999 – Israel planted a bomb in the aircraft tail (unconfirmed). the plane dived 60 miles south of Nantucket Island, Massachusetts, in international waters, killing all 217 people on board. Included in the passenger manifest were over 30 Egyptian military officers; among them were two brigadier-generals, a colonel, major, and four other air force officers. Transatlantic commercial air traffic travels via a system of routes called North Atlantic Tracks, and Flight 990 was the only aircraft at the time assigned to fly North Atlantic Track Zulu. There are also a number of military operations areas over the Atlantic, called “Warning Areas,” which are also monitored by New York Center, but records show that these were inactive the night of the accident. Air Traffic Controller Peter Zalewski was responsible for both New York Tower crashes and also was controller for Egypt 990 crash in 1999
USS Cole – Sayanims in the Pentagon had the Cole directed to a part in Yemen, where Israeli agents had Arab patsies approach the Cole with a small boat, in order to be seen by crewmen, while they attacked it with a shape charge.
Sept 11 …..2001 – The most brazen of all Israeli attacks.
Flight 587….2001 – Mossad blows up a Fl 587 out of NY, and it crashes in Rockaway.
Bali Bomb – Mossad sets off a micro nuke on the island of Bali, killing 182. Israel blamed the attack on Al Qaeda (which is really an Israeli false flag patsy intel op), and the USA invaded Iraq.
Kenya missile …. 2002 In 2002 – Israel claimed AL Qaeda shot two SAM missiles at a jet on take-off. Israel used this incident to help lay the groundwork for shooting down a US airliner.
Manila…. 2003 – Mossad planted a bomb on a Manila ferry, killing 103. Israel blamed the attack on Al Qaeda.
CIA Bomb In Gaza….2003 – Three CIA agents are traveling in Gaza, when a Mossad bomb exploded. Palestinians were blamed for the attack.
Madrid Train … 2002 – Mossad killed 198 in the Madrid bomb blast. Al Queda was blamed.
2004 – Mossad bombed two airliners over Russia. Israel claimed it was Al Qaeda.
This is even more ludicrous than the Berezovsky/Litvinenko conspiracy theories about Russia being behind various terror attacks. And I say this as someone who wants to sanction Israel, and considers the Liberty attack to be an act of war. Not even Hitler would be this crazy.
Trump himself just can’t cut it anymore with all those bullocks he’s “selling” to draw as much attention as possible.
Giuliani trying to work-up the crowd – again – drawing on 9/11 and therewith terrorism. He forgot to elaborate on the free-fall collapse of WTC Building 7. Still the biggest mystery of the attack.
9/11 probably wasn’t an inside job that the US. executed themselves. But as far as I can conclude, they definitely knew what was coming long before 9/11 and they let it happen. It was the perfect excuse to start the war in the Middle-East and on the so-called Axis of Evil.
The Administration that followed G.W. Bush’s had to cope with all that Bush’s had inflicted and the Republicans worked hard to the keep the momentum going towards inducing more war-efforts. These wars have proven to be nothing more than a geopolitical-strategy to gain more power in the world. Tax-payers money has fattened the war-industries-shareholders wallets heavily and keeps doing so till this day.
On top of all that we had to cope with an economical-crisis inflicted by the banking-industry beyond imagination which brought the country on the brink of collapse. Again billions and billions of tax-payers money were used to re-finance the banks. Which the banks thankfully accepted so they could start throwing people out of their homes crippling the economy even further.
For the people thinking we still live in the admirable “country of the free” they might reconsider this philosophy….
This is not a heads-up for Hillary Clinton.
Robert Mackey’s articles:
All The Establishment Anti-Trump News That’s Not Fit to Print
Elsewhere
Well done Vicky…
You are the sharpest knife in the draw ;)
Sometimes “news organizations” run b-roll footage along with their stories and engage in other questionable practices especially when they are engaged in “shaping” public opinion.
The coverup of 9/11 had to be done by the government. The rest of it goes to something called the American Deep State in cahoots with foreign intelligence.
Other things Rudy Giuliani said: “I believe there’s enough evidence to warrant a full racketeering investigation” into the Clinton Foundation.
NO!!!
“it was a bizarre mistake for him to make.” NOT!!!!!
A lie is not ‘a bizarre mistake’. A lie is a lie. The failure to call out lies is one of many of the failings today of the US “news sources ” (???NEWS??? NOT!!!!) .
Clinton Foundation Investigation Could Spell Hillary’s Doom http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-foundation-investigation-could-spell-hillarys-doom/
I just hope Preet Bharara does a real investigation and is not simply seeking to wrest the Attorney General post from Loretta Lynch under a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
Finally: the Eruption of the Clinton Foundation Scandal http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/12/finally-the-eruption-of-the-clinton-foundation-scandal/
Someone recently commented on one of the TI posts that he wanted comments to also once in a while mention what is good about America.
Well, I think organizations like Judicial Watch and what they doggedly do are a good example of what is good about America.
John Kerry fielding 9/11 questions re Larry Silverstein and World Trade Center # 7 at a University of Texas appearance… Hook ’em Horns!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbReTl3Uin0&app=desktop
Side-by-side view of WTC7 and “another” controlled demolition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Rm6ZFROmc&app=desktop
Ha, when I first glanced at the article’s photo and studied the spelling on Ghouliani’s cap I thought it said (phoney)
Astonishingly, the Intercept appears to have censored me at https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/vindication-for-baltimore-police-critics-but-no-action/#comment-268644
A detailed comment that I posted there yesterday and which was up until about 10 hours ago is now missing. It was about how Shakeel Ahmed, an Indian Rail official corruptly vetted GE 2008 bid documents for Marhowra Project see http://gemarhowracorruptionpart2.blogspot.in/
That’s terrible..truly terrible.
I’ll open and save that link for future distribution. I feel like link posting is the way to go these days..
Thank you. You should also read the other comments by me about GE corruption and fraud in India at https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/vindication-for-baltimore-police-critics-but-no-action/
I was an in-house counsel for GE Transportation in India and am a whistle-blower with evidence and an amazing story to tell.
If I can get this story out to the American people, it will go a long way in helping me save my life.
Mr. Giuliani may not be technically correct, but I think he has perceived an essential truth. Under Mr. Bush, most Americans were blissfully unaware of Al Qaeda. They felt safe. The events of 9/11 were an aberration. Mr. Bush responded decisively, invading Iraq and ensuring their weapons of mass destruction could never again be used against the United States.
Under Mr. Obama, Americans have watched as ISIS destroyed France and Belgium. Mr. Obama’s only response has been to send more arms to rebels in Syria, who promptly turn them over to ISIS.
While many criticize Mr. Bush, and deservedly so, his policy was to disarm terrorists, while Mr. Obama’s policy is to arm them. Mr. Bush’s policy may have failed, but to many people, disarming the terrorists feels like the right thing to do. It may have been hypocritical, depriving terrorists of their Second Amendment rights. But the average American doesn’t have a lot of sympathy for the rights of terrorists. Try explaining to them that once the terrorists are disarmed, the government will follow up by confiscating the guns of Americans. They just can’t see it; they’re unable to deal with such abstract problems.
Safety isn’t about statistics, it’s about feeling safe. Mr. Bush deserves credit for making people feel safe.
First off, 90% of what you claimed are falsehoods. Secondly, I wonder why people like you count the attacks on France, Belgium in the same columns as attacks on Orlando, FL and San Bernardino, CA but cleverly omit the multiple attacks by ISIS killing muslims in other parts of the world almost on a daily basis. The old “clash of civilizations” narrative works if you twist things around to fit your preconceived view of the world.
For you to claim that the events of 9/11 were an “aberration” tells me all I need to know.
I cannot speak for other US torture subjects, but I actually was safer before Uncle Tom’s inauguration. What a gullible fool I was. In 2008 I merely distrusted Obama while detesting Bush.
Rudy says to feel safe “nobody should be without identity protection” (and to get rid of those ‘horrible rap songs’ … among other things.).
If you lose or forget your identity, at least for those at the top of the corporate ladder, securing your information may cost ‘like millions of dollars’ but is well worth it.
*LifeLock Inc., the StarKist of identity protection, has all of Rudy’s information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UsLvBBGHA
Had I been drinking coffee it would have been sprayed all over the screen.
i’m glad you cleared that up BM …. i was (wrongly i now realise) under the mis-impression that the U$A is the terrorist state.
i stand corrected.
… although i’m pretty sure France and Belgium still exist … so “Under Mr. Obama, Americans have watched as ISIS destroyed France and Belgium” is a Trump-esque exaggeration.
i met a French family yesterday. they are most certainly under the impression that they continue to have a homeland.
Was this sarcasm or stupidity?
Why can’t it be both?
That’s probably the most retarded thing I’ve read in a long, long time.
Foreign policy doesn’t appeal to everybody. But it’s not as retarded as it may appear at first glance.
Maybe in his mind, he means more than 3,000 needed to be killed to be considered successful.
Well, Obama and Hillary are responsible for the illegal regime change war in Syria, but most Republicans in Congress qualify as collaborators (not to mention the Bush/Hillary war in Iraq that facilitated it), so whenever either party tries to make political hay out of Syria they need to lie.
Both parties are guilty. Just like with Iraq.
In fairness to Giuliani…
… he’s a raging idiot who serves the forces of evil in both domestic and foreign policies.
(had you going there didn’t I?)
But the forces he serves desperately wish to preserve the Big Lie that the two party duopoly do not both serve the same interests, so his lies and revisionism are useful to them… which is why we keep being subjected to his nonsense.
Personally, I am torn about the usefulness of articles that point out that such clowns are liars without pointing out the reality of the Big Lie they are serving… because these articles serve the same purpose. I mean, yes, it’s accurate reporting, but leaving out the context is contrary to the real interests of our country and people.
I would suggest a standard disclaimer should be added to all such articles regardless of which establishment liar is being justifiably flogged.
I suggest this because there are far too many Americans who are still all too happy to point fingers at the other party but refuse to admit the reality about their own. And whether it’s ignorance or stupidity, a friendly reminder hammered into their thick skulls would be the journalistically ethical thing to do.
I will have two lumps of spackle with that sheet of socpup wallpaper, please.
Oh, geez.
The targeted are defending the establishment now.
I wonder if there are spider webs capable of snagging flying pigs?
Note to self- Do not hire Stan for the bathroom remodel. Spackle and wallpaper?
Wall Street was legit. Before the anti-stone sentiment goes through the roof, imma put the roof back on. Holla
Apparently, he also did not read the accounts of how Dick Chaney and others shut down any discussions during the cabinet meetings between January 21 (when Bush took office) and September 11 about potential terrorist activities in the U.S. – incidentally many months after Bush started getting briefings on the subject as a candidate and 2.5 months after he started getting top secret briefings as President Elect). Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, how soon we forget! I suspect that Rudy was also made aware of some of the information during this period as Mayor and did absolutely nothing…except blame others for not doing something…and blaming others for what happened after they left office. He also forgot to mention that the largest growth in terrorist recruitment came after our invasion of Iraq (starting in 2003) which confirmed to the terrorists, their sympathizers and their potential recruitment pool that the U.S. was out to destroy Islam,thus they needed to fight back. This was one of the major arguments, ignored by Bush-Chaney, as to why they should not invade Iraq…but they did not listen and now blame everyone else for the colossal failure, chaos and growth of terrorism it caused.
“falsely claims to remember watching news footage that day (which does not exist) showing “thousands and thousands” of American Muslims in New Jersey cheering as the towers fell.”
That is no false claim! I do not know if it was New Jersey, but Muslims all across the USA stood up and cheered. I saw it!
Fer shur man.
Are you old enough to have been cognizant in 2001?
Mona has adult kids. But thanks for the belly laugh of the day!
Just what the world needs, another litter of psychopaths.
If you were cognizant in 2016 you wouldn’t be asking that question.
And if, in 2001, you saw “Muslims all across the USA” cheering the attacks on NYC, DC and Flight 93, you were seeing things that didn’t happen.
You stupid, offensive jerk.
Actually, I saw it, too. But it was not in the U.S. that I saw. It was radicals in certain extremist parts of the world like Palestine and Afghanistan. The networks have reviewed the footage and confirmed as much…but Donald’s followers will continue to suck up his line…regardless how false or trite…
If you saw it, you should have no problems finding it, and sharing it with us.
Despite repeated claims like this, those making them never manage to back them up.
Why is that?
I’m an old fart, who is unable to use a smart phone. I saw the muslims celebrating, in many venues, after 9/11. How much of history has the CIA retracted from the verifiable record?
It Happened! You find it! Show us how tech savy and smart you are.
No you didn’t.
But let’s play along. How did you know these people you purportedly saw were Muslims?
Once, after an insanely long drive that any reasonable person would have interrupted at any habitable motel hours before, I drove over Donner Summit in the middle of the night, in winter.
Ahead of me, in the road, I could clearly see ghostly white figures flitting across. Some have insisted that they were hallucinations resulting from lack of sleep and ridiculous blood caffeine levels — but I know they were Muslims. I could tell.
This reminds me of a hilarious exchange I had on twitter involving CAIR Arizona’s Imraan Siddiqi. He Retweeted some idjit claiming he was horrified seeing two Muslims at a Target in the video game section.
I asked this genius how he knew these guys were Muslims. He didn’t say, but Siddiqi proposed it went like this: “The last copy of Grand Theft Auto! Allahu Akbar!” [throwing selves in grateful prostration before Allah in the aisle]
Can you describe these venues so I have some clues on where to begin my search?
Was the terrain flat or hilly?
Was there water visible?
Did it look like a lake, river or ocean?
Were there buildings visible?
Did you notice any street signs or familiar landmarks?
When you say “after 9/11″, did you mean minutes, hours, days, weeks?
I’ve heard that hypnosis can sometimes help people remember such things… would you be a willing participant if we arrange a session?
Have you considered the possibility that the CIA may have implanted a false memory in your brain?
Have you checked your pillow for CIA devices? They are very well disguised and often look like feathers or foam… if you see anything like that discard all your bedding immediately.
I have no doubt that many did. The USA, Gomer, has been, along with Britain and Europe, a shit-stain in Africa for more than a century. ONE comeback, and folks aren’t supposed to cheer?
The USA was warned…over, and over, and over again…but were too mighty and blessed of God to pay attention.
Go anywhere in the USA and watch Clint Eastwood films…and watch Bozo Ballcaps pull their lil’ puddin’s…including, I suspect…you.
I usually avoid delving into conspiracy theories, but this statement by Giuliani has all the appearance of a Freudian slip.
Hmm, so maybe Rudy’s a Truther?
“What did the mayor know about nanothermite and when did he know it?”
Neither of these parties, neither of these candidates is even remotely qualified to lead this country. It is truly a sad state of affairs.
Which is why it is especially important to convince as many people as possible to vote for Jill Stein or at the very least Gary Johnson. The “Two-Party System” needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.
Jill Stein attacking Hillary in CNN interview.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/stein-hits-clinton-on-emails/index.html
Reminder: Stein’s CNN townhall will be on Aug. 17.
Giuliani is one of the bad guys! The fact that Trump uses him gives me pause. I can only hope that in a “The Art of the Deal” scenario, Giuliani will be crushed and blown away.
Bush/Cheney are the most evil people I have seen in my life time!
Bill and Hellary Clinton are a close 2nd!
I wish Trump ( with ALL his gaffes) would go back to his roots, and make
AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
if you are a republican you always lie, you’re always wrong, and you’re a pig. it’s that simple.
Well, yeah, for the most part. But it’s not as if Democrats of today are much better. Bill and Hillary? Debbie Wasserman Schultz?
Same can be said re. Dems.
There is only one Party, and that is the Party of Wall Street. Yes, it has two wings – neoconservatives and neoliberals, and they put on a nice Punch & Judy puppet show for the television cameras – but behind the scenes, they coordinate on most issues. Every once in a while we get a nice picture of this:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/03/arabia-mccain-polesi-1024×712.jpg
Lovely, isn’t it? A flash of truth in an ocean of lies.
“During “those eight years, before Obama came along,” Giuliani said, “we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the United States — they all started when Clinton and Obama got into office.””
Clearly Giuliani can manipulate time and space. …Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama, Obama. Am I reading something wrong?
Giuliani is an extremely shady character, there’s no doubt about that.
Exhibit A: After leading a “War on Drugs” crackdown on poor people and minorites in New York City as Mayor, especially targeting cannabis users, he set up a lobbying operation that notably tried to protect opiate manufacturer Purdue Pharma from criminal investigations for diverting oxycontin to street sales. A 2008 study showed that while whites were more likely than blacks or Hispanics to smoke cannabis, there arrest rate for blacks was five time as high as for whites, and for Hispanics, three times as high. If that’s not blatant racism in policing, what is? Yes, this was just as true for pro-Clinton Bloomberg as it was for pro-Trump Giuliani.However, Giuliani’s later action, defending Purdue, reveals what a hypocritical sleazebag he really is:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/giuliani/oxycontin.html
Exhibit B: Giuliani’s speaking fee deals. Disclosure reports from 2007 show that he pulled in $9.2 million in 13 months for his public appearances. This still puts him a ways behind the Clintons (Bill Clinton has pulled down over $89 million in speaking fees since leaving office!) but he’s no different in style or behavior. His entire public persona is a charade, he’s just another crooked politician using his position to line his own pockets, a carbon copy of how the Clintons operate.
As far as 9/11, there is ample evidence that the government had all the intelligence it needed to stop those attacks from taking place by August 6th 2001; we have multiple FBI agents in the field raising alarms (Kenneth Williams, Colleen Rowley), we have the CIA special meeting to warn Condoleeza Rice on July 21, we have the August 6th Presidential Daily Briefing on “preparations consistent with hijackings”, we have multiple warnings from other countries intelligence services – and what did the Bush team do in response? They went on vacation. They took no action at all, not even a warning to airlines to increase security at check-ins (which might have been enough to block Atta from getting on his plane, for example).
Given the political problems Bush was then facing – the looming Enron collapse, and the continued questions over the Florida vote count (Gore really did win the election), it seems likely that the Bush team felt that domestic hijackings of airliners by Islamic terrorists might be to their political advantage, and so took no action to stop them. Why else would they do nothing in response to such warnings?
Well, Pappy Bush was having a meeting with the Carlyle Group (which, at the time, also included members of the Bin Laden family, who were present) in NYC that morning at an unusually early hour for a business meeting.
The Carlyle Group is a investment group, whose main investments were in weapons manufacturers.
Money always provides a good incentive to those who are amoral in their greed.
Looks like Mackey is the headline act here at The Intercept, now that Glenn is too busy hobnobbing with the Hollywood hoi-polloi and making the movie of his heroic life…
That. really. sucks. hard.
Give it a rest.
That racist Trump supporter is simply, yet again, making shit up, just like it’s icon Mr. Trump and so many of his other staff and supporters.
Oh, stop flogging for Trump, it is no different than flogging for Clinton.
But if you’re referring to the Oliver Stone film based on the Luke Harding script about Snowden, yes that’s enough to make one cringe. While Stone panders to liberal sensitivities, his real game is grossly inaccurate historical revisionism, and Luke Harding is the perfect scriptwriter for that agenda.
Here’s a decent send-up of some of his work:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/11/27/oliver-stones-untold-history-a-twice-told-tale/
There are many more examples – Oliver Stone’s revisionist take on JFK, “he was going to get us out of Vietnam” line is a complete reversal of actual history, a feel-good story for liberal Democrats who refuse to admit that their politicians have been just as bloodthirsty for war as any Republican – a theme that continues to this day, with their strained silence on Hillary’s war agenda. The truth of the matter?
I can’t imagine how Stone is going to spin the Snowden story, but I’m sure it’ll be more of the same. . . no mention at all of how Obama expanded the program the Bush initiated, for example. Likely to be about as accurate as Katheryn Bigelow’s Zero Dark Thirty.
Gawd. Oliver Stone and Luke Harding. The ultimate formula for instant dreck.
I keep hoping that the Graun will send Harding back to Russia and that, this time, Putin will keep him — preferably incommunicado.
And there’s already a really good Snowden documentary, “Chasing Snowden”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YkLS95qDjI
I often wonder if the likes of Stone and Harding actually believe the tripe they produce, or whether they snicker to themselves at their deliberate disinformation . . . but I suppose it doesn’t really matter, it’s garbage either way.
Doubtful. Whether Stone will include criticisms of specific presidents, I have no idea. But Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a big Snowden supporter. Stone’s 10-part series on U.S. history (I think it aired on Showtime) was quite good, what I saw of it. (Glenn Greenwald appears in it.)
Luke Harding is, of course, trash. And I’m pretty sure Glenn didn’t cooperate in making the film since he sold rights to his book to Sony. Snowden, however, did — he met with Gordon-Levitt in Moscow. My guess is the merits of the film will come down to artistic rather than political metrics.
Quite good? See the link above, for example:
The problem with Oliver Stone is that he messes with facts to promote his views:
For example, with JFK, Stone whitewashes out the mountains of evidence that JFK was set on staying in South Vietnam; that he jacked up funding for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs; that JFK deployed nuclear missiles in Turkey (June 1961), a major factor in the Cuban Missile Crisis (along with his obsession with assassinating Castro) – etc. This goes beyond interpretation to gross distortion – you really can’t trust anything Stone calls “history.”
Two words describes all of Stones work, Docu-drama. Anyone who takes the time to watch this kind of crap still believes in Santa Claus.
But if you’re referring to the Oliver Stone film based on the Luke Harding script …
Are we sure she wasn’t referring to Laura Poitras’ Oscar-winner? ;-}
Also funny to see the words Hollywood hoi-polloi in close proximity. Someone doesn’t understand the current accepted meaning of hoi polloi….