For months, a California congressman has been trying to get Obama administration officials to reconsider U.S. backing for the Saudi-led war in Yemen. And for months, he has been given the runaround.
Ted Lieu, a Democrat representing Los Angeles County, served in the Air Force and is a colonel in the Air Force Reserves. The brutal bombing of civilian areas with U.S.-supplied planes and weapons has led him to act when most of his colleagues have stayed silent.
“I taught the law of war when I was on active duty,” he told The Intercept. “You can’t kill children, newlyweds, doctors and patients — those are exempt targets under the law of war, and the coalition has been repeatedly striking civilians,” he said. “So it is very disturbing to me. It is even worse that the U.S. is aiding this coalition.”
But he and a very few other lawmakers who have tried to take bipartisan action to stop U.S. support for the campaign are a lonely bunch. “Many in Congress have been hesitant to criticize the Saudis’ operational conduct in Yemen,” Lieu said. He didn’t say more about that.
The matter has gotten ever more urgent since August 7, when the Saudi-led coalition relaunched an aggressive campaign of attacks after Houthi rebels in Yemen rejected a one-sided peace deal.
More than 60 Yemeni civilians have been killed in at least five attacks on civilian areas since the new bombing campaign began. On August 13, the coalition bombed a school in Haydan, Yemen, killing at least 10 children and injuring 28 more.
Lieu released a statement two days later, harshly condemning the attack. “The indiscriminate civilian killings by Saudi Arabia look like war crimes to me. In this case, children as young as 8 were killed by Saudi Arabian air strikes,” he wrote.
“By assisting Saudi Arabia, the United States is aiding and abetting what appears to be war crimes in Yemen,” Lieu added. “The administration must stop enabling this madness now.”
Then, mere minutes after his office sent out the statement about the August 13 attack, another tragedy started making headlines: The coalition had just bombed a hospital operated by the international medical humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders (also known as Médecins Sans Frontières, or MSF), killing 19.
That was the fourth MSF medical facility that the Saudi-led coalition — which has received weapons, intelligence and support from the U.S. and U.K. — has bombed in the past year in Yemen.
By a conservative estimate, more than 6,500 Yemenis have been killed since the war began in March 2015. The violence has pushed Yemen – which was already the poorest country in the Middle East, suffering from widespread hunger and destitution — into what the U.N. has called for well over a year now a “humanitarian catastrophe.”
Lieu has been repeatedly raising concerns about Yemen since last fall.
In September, Lieu sent a letter to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joseph Dunford, requesting that the U.S. “cease aiding coalition airstrikes in Yemen until the coalition demonstrates that they will institute proper safeguards to prevent civilian deaths.”
In October, Lieu and a dozen other members of Congress sent a letter to President Obama, raising concerns about war crimes committed by the coalition. The Saudi-led coalition had just bombed two weddings, killing more than 150 Yemenis.
In March, Lieu sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, calling for the government to “provide an assessment as to whether the indiscriminate nature of the coalition’s operations and the targeting of civilians have significantly changed since October 2015.”
“No progress has been made, tragically,” Lieu said. “A year after we first began seeing reports of widespread Saudi-led coalition bombings on civilians, the coalition is still bombing schools and hospitals.”
Lieu initially scheduled a phone conversation with officers from the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “Then I opted to focus on the real decision-makers for U.S. support for the Saudi-led coalition’s operations in Yemen: the State Department and Defense Department,” he explained.
The State Department never responded to his requests. Lieu’s office did however receive a response from the Pentagon on July 20. In a two-page letter, acting Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Brian McKeon assured Lieu that “The United States Government shares your deep concern over civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure in Yemen.”
But in the very next line, McKeon underscored the fact that “The United States supports the Saudi-led coalition’s efforts to restore the legitimate government of Yemen.” That is a reference to the Saudi-backed government of Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, which was overthrown by the Houthi rebels. President Hadi fled to the Saudi capital of Riyadh when the bombing campaign was launched.
McKeon also noted that “United States military officers meet regularly with senior coalition military leaders and provide recommendations to support their efforts to comply with the Law of Armed Conflict and to reduce the risk of civilian casualties.”
“We believe Saudi Arabia has sought to comply with the Law of Armed Conflict,” McKeon wrote.
For months, rights groups have said otherwise. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have documented a slew of war crimes committed by the coalition. Both released reports on incidents in which the coalition bombed civilian areas with cluster bombs that were manufactured in the U.S., U.K., and Brazil. Those munitions are banned by an international treaty signed by 119 countries. (The U.S. and Saudi Arabia are not signatories.)
A report released by a U.N. panel of experts in February offered a more detailed glimpse into the sheer horror. It documented “that the coalition had conducted air strikes targeting civilians and civilian objects, in violation of international humanitarian law, including camps for internally displaced persons and refugees; civilian gatherings, including weddings; civilian vehicles, including buses; civilian residential areas; medical facilities; schools; mosques; markets, factories and food storage warehouses; and other essential civilian infrastructure, such as the airport in Sana’a, the port in Hudaydah and domestic transit routes.”
In June, Lieu, who serves on the House’s oversight and budget committee, joined Rep. Ted Yoho, R-Fla., in introducing H.J. Res. 90, a bill that would bar the transfer of air-to-ground munitions from the U.S. to Saudi Arabia. Sens. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., and Rand Paul, R-Ky., have also been critical of U.S. support for the bombing, and introduced the Senate companion to the legislation, S.J. Res. 32.
Both of the bills were referred to their respective chambers’ foreign affairs committees, where they still sit.
On Aug. 8, the U.S. State Department announced to Congress that it had approved a $1.15 billion sale of up to 153 tanks, hundreds of machine guns and more to the kingdom – on top of the approximately $110 billion in arms deals the Obama administration has done in the past. Lieu applauded Paul for pressuring fellow lawmakers to vote against the deal.
Lieu plans “to continue working with a bipartisan group of members to raise the alarm in light of continued Saudi airstrikes on civilians and the newly announced U.S. arms sales,” he said. “We should not be selling Saudi Arabia even more weapons as a result of the carnage that is happening in Yemen.”
“The fact that the administration is even proposing another arms sale suggests to me that the administration is, at best, callously indifferent to the mass amount of civilians dying as a result of the Saudi-led coalition’s bombing.”
With the resurgent violence, a war that has been largely ignored in the U.S. for nearly a year and a half is becoming much harder to overlook. The State Department delivered a rare rebuke to the Saudis after the latest hospital bombing. The editorial board of the New York Times on Tuesday argued that “The United States is complicit in this carnage. It has enabled the coalition in many ways.” It added, crucially: “Experts say the coalition would be grounded if Washington withheld its support.”
Lieu told The Intercept the “editorial was spot on”: “The U.S. is complicit in these bombings,” he said. “It’s not as if there was just one or two instances of civilians being targeted. We now have more than 30 instances of civilians being killed by the Saudi-led air coalition. The U.S. can no longer avert its eyes to what is happening in Yemen.”
And Lieu warned the U.S. support could backfire. “By aiding a coalition that is killing civilians, the U.S. is going to create another generation of people who hate the U.S. and who are going to want to do very bad things to us,” he said.
Indeed, if anyone has benefitted from Yemen being pounded to rubble, it has been extremist groups. Secretary of Defense Carter and other U.S. government officials warned as early as April 2015 that, in Yemen, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had “seized the opportunity of the disorder there and the collapse of the central government.”
A year later, Reuters released a detailed report showing “How Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen has made al-Qaeda stronger — and richer.” The Pentagon even sent a small number of U.S. ground troops into Yemen in April and May, it says to help fight AQAP.
ISIS has also exploited the chaos in Yemen (as it has in Libya, in the wake of the 2011 NATO regime change). Extreme violence, grinding poverty and increasing desperation has pushed Yemenis into the arms of extremists.
Lieu said he worries that the adverse effects of this conflict could be felt for years to come. “It’s actually creating more terrorists by killing all these civilians,” he said.
Top photo: Rep. Ted Lieu addresses delegates at the Democratic National Convention in July 2016.
In order to maintain stability in Yemen, Houthis, one of Iran’s proxies, should not get in power. Getting in power for Houthis means that Iran can interfere and destroy the region basically. Saudi is defending its position and it is supporting Yemen as much as Saudi can for them to be independent from any outside interference, including Iran’s that aims on controlling and destroying the region.
“Iran can interfere and destroy the region basically.”
Um. How do you “destroy” a region that is already getting the shit bombed out of it?
“Saudi” is an adjective, you brainwashed automaton.
Saudis defending Yemen? Where do you get this from? That is a ridiculous claim. It is well documented that the Saudis are caught spreading Wahabism in order to perpetuate the genocidal policies of their partners the British Crown and the Criwn’s stooge Obama. Do more research and allow yourself to be challenged on the assumptions you carelessly support.
USA and Saudi Arabia, two of the biggest TERRORIST in the WORLD! Makes ISIS look like the amateurs they are. Face it both these countries share 100% of the responsibility or the murder and destruction around the world including MURDERING the American people in the USA in 9-11 NEVER FORGET! Both are also responsible for the creation of ISIS! Call a spade a spade.
Saudi is defending its position and it is supporting Yemen as much as Saudi can for them to be independent from any outside interference, including Iran’s interference that aims on controlling and destroying the region. Neither US nor UK want that kind of destruction caused by Iran to happen in the region.
“that kind of destruction caused by Iran”
Examples?
The problem isnt the bombings specifically but the utter patheticness ofd the bombings. The Saudis are clueless and are just bombing anything they think might be a target. They have no real idea of what they are hitting. No on ein Yemen for the most part wants Hadi the previous president back in power. He is a spineless turd, who fled the country when teh fight was on to go sit in Saudi mansions for a year and wait while his people were being massacred by the people whose mansions he was living in. The US should just stop selling bombs to these morons until they can show they have any kind of clue. It’s what happens when you put a 30 year old kid with no military experience in charge of a military with lots of bombs but no clue. At this point Iran is getting exactly what it wants more influence in Yemen because the Yemenis are fed up with Saudi and Hadi.
“In October, Lieu and a dozen other members of Congress sent a letter to President Obama, raising concerns about war crimes committed by the coalition. The Saudi-led coalition had just bombed two weddings, killing more than 150 Yemenis.”
Good luck trying to get the guy who has bombed THREE weddings to do something about his terrorist buddies bombing only two.
Ted Lieu has been a great champion against this war. It’s ballsy that State hasn’t responded to him, considering that Congress holds the purse strings – with very lax fingers, of course.
Considering the organization was founded in France, it should be the other way around (also known as Doctors Without Borders).
And this sentence might have begun a little differently – “Indeed, if anyone has benefited from Yemen being pounded to rubble, it has been extremist groups.” Indeed, except for Lockheed and Boeing… https://theintercept.com/2015/10/23/saudi-arabia-boeing-lockheed-martin/
Who’s making sure the Saudi bombs keep falling on Yemen? The Tories
David Wearing The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/05/saudi-arabia-bombs-yemen-tories-human-rights
Thank you Congressman Lieu for working to enforce the American laws meant to keep our country safe from moral degradation. I admire your ability to critically think and pursue America’s long term interest by trying to halt war crimes and/or distance America from them. You also did something far more subtle and equally as important. You proved to the residents in your district and all Americans reading this article that politicians can do good, that our elected officials can pursue American interests in a moral manner and that our government does indeed matter. Your actions were an essential step in dispelling the cynical attitude, which has gripped our electorate, to the contrary. I hope you continue to show good moral judgement in challenges, which are more complex and require more courage to overcome the pressure put forth by lobbyists. You have proved an excellent example of the importance of rational moral decision making in our military and political leadership, which we hope you will continue into the future.
@Dave-take your pile of shit elsewhere! Don’t forget you have to iron the congressmans underwear.
It is redundant for you to write “@Dave” when responding to my comment, as the arrow to the right of your screen name informs everyone that your response is directed at me. Secondly it appears you are the one whose panties are in a bunch, so there is no need for you to project your problems on the Congressman. Finally I should go elsewhere? Where the hell did you come from, a Fox news website? This is the first time that I have seen “Phil Ferro” post on The Intercept.
on further thought, Congressman Leiu would be better off supporting Donald Trump seeing as how Hellary Clinton is the furthest right wing candy-date in American history.
War crimes? In war the laws are silent. It is foolish to claim otherwise.
It’s foolish to quote legally inapplicable aphorisms.
Come on Congressman Leiu! An officer in the military should know that tactically, a base of operations has to be safe and secure before taking the fight outside its confines. Here in California starting at the beginning of the 2016 school year every student has to show proof of vaccinations. Why are you not addressing that? Oh, you wanted kids to be poisoned….. I think Mr Leiu will be much more effective if he moves to Yemen. Californians need people who focus on Californians first. Forcing kids to be injected with compounds from who knows where, who or what’s inside is FUCKING insanity! Pro vaccine people either trust those in our government too much or they fail to think with logic and reason or they could be just stupid fucking idiots! 35 million Californians is a lot of idiots……..
For the last f**king time, vaccines are not poisonous, ya f**kin’ idiot. Stay on point, and for the record, if you’re Californian, I really wish you weren’t, and it’s ironic that you claim that pro-vaccine people don’t use logic and reason when that’s kind of the whole point of science, as well as skepticism and critical thinking. You look at evidence, you see what holds up, all that jazz, not just believing every scaremonger with a talk show. And I leave you with this, food for thought. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-vaccination_movement
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Anti-vaccine_argument_bingo
Ted has balls to take a stand against these greed driven,money hungry whores.
The only good thing commin outa Cali at this time,besides the produce.
Obama has been working overtime during his entire presidency to keep the defense contractor funding train intact, while U.S. domestic infrastructure falls into disrepair – and the Saudis are the #1 customer for everyone from Boeing to Lockheed to Northrup to United Tech to Raytheon. This also explains his support for NSA mass surveillance – NSA contractors like SAIC want to keep the gravy train rolling. War crimes abroad, unconstitutional mass surveillance at home – there’s your socialist liberal Democratic agenda, not so different from your free-market conservative Republican agenda; both sides are equally dishonest.
Every presidential candidate except Jill Stein has been devoted to this approach – it might be shocking for Bernie Sanders supporters, but he also has got quite the record on this issue – he lobbied hard to being the Lockheed F-35 program to Vermont. What’s the F-35?
http://reason.com/archives/2016/07/12/bursting-the-pentagon-spending
What did Bernie Sanders have to say about this?
Bernie Sanders did call for cuts to the military budget, rather vaguely, but he never made foreign policy an issue during his campaign – nor did he explain how free college education and public health care were going to be paid for in any detail. Trump and Clinton both call for upping military spending, although that means all their domestic programs would go unfunded, so forget about infrastructure repair.
The argument that Congress uses is that military-industrial spending cuts would wreck the economy – which is false; the result would be growth in other sectors of the economy. That’s why Jill Stein’s Green New Deal proposal is the only one in this campaign that makes fiscal sense and which would actually perform as promised – in contrast, Clinton and Trump domestic policy proposals are fiscal pipe dreams.
I have often thought that there is NO good reason that
the members of the various Pentagon tentacles could not
be trained in horticulture and a program of planting and
the manual labor of plant maintenance.
This could be the greatest defense against
the degradations of the worst enemy of humanity,
that being the consumptions driven by humanity itself.
As far as I can tell however, this sort of beneficial program
is of little interest to those who crave Napoleonic excitements.
To them, plants are just boring food necessities and decorations.
i am opposed to GMO and other artificial foods – sugary kids stuff, pasty tasties and all. The other day someone came buy and told us all about the new and delicious “food in a tube” something. Being a natural foods person, never venturing to those stores or aisles, i was stunned, figured it was a prelude to some space cartoon. Tube? i asked. Yes, and they have many flavors, very natural stuff says he.
Maybe this is how wallstreet figures on feeding the overpopulation for maximum profit and the test market is in play.
“Soylent Green” may have been an economics prediction.
I too would hope that Lieu can muster some outrage for our other ventures.
If selling weapons to Saudi Arabia is wrong, giving them to al Qaida “rebels” in Syria is worse.
The US supporting or creating wars all over the world are nothing personal, it is just business.
Basically the case – the last manufacturing sector in the U.S. that hasn’t been outsourced to Mexico or China or India is weapons production; the Congressional members of Foreign Affairs committees are all sucking off the military-industrial teat, trying to keep those jobs in their districts or at least keep the defense contractor campaign contributions flowing – that explains why:
Another reason is that the House of Saud, desperate to keep a democratic process from breaking out in Yemen, have been handing out money to Congressmember’s private foundations, a Clinton Foundation approach as well – one example is John McCain, who took in at least $1 million in Saudi money for his University of Arizona-linked non-profit, “The McCain Institute for International Leadership.”
Behavior like this is why Congress has something like a 9% approval rating from the general public in polls, among the lowest of any American instiution. By and large Congress is a collection of greedy corrupt insiders, with a few notable exceptions. However, the State and Defense Department are not much different – if they keep arms sales flowing to the Saudis, they can look forward to corporate board positions with defense contractors after leaving government.
At the end of the day, this is really about the House of Saud trying desperately to maintain its hereditary dictatorship and block any kind of democratic transition. If Yemen goes to a federated state model with elections, the Saudi public might start thinking they can do the same; the whole Gulf cartel monarchy system could come crumbling down and the Royal Families would be relegated to British-style ceremonial status.
What the Gulf monarchies don’t seem to understand is that if they don’t allow this transition, they might see the French Revolution approach break out; U.S. military support would then be the only thing standing between them and Chop-Chop Square, and how much longer will that support continue? Only until the oil runs out . . . or the world gets off fossil fuels.
Ultimately, I bet the House of Saud flees Saudi Arabia the same way that the Shah fled Iran – and nobody will have seen it coming.
“Extreme violence, grinding poverty and increasing desperation has pushed Yemenis into the arms of extremists”,,, – Translation to the war machine that rakes-in-Billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars. Business is good and will stay that way.
Hillary should be asked about this at every public meeting, interview and press conference.
Since the U.S. Congress is ruled by Israel’s Likud Party, and since the royal family of the House of Saud is in fact Jewish, it is perfectly natural for the U.S. to give the green light to the Saudis, in whatever [war, human rights violations, etc.] they chose to do.
The real “HEADLINE” here should be the US government continues to violate the CONSTITUTION by illegally going to war in any country it wants to. The Senate no longer has any BALLS! Ladies and gentlemen, no one in our GOVERNMENT is worth a sh*t. EVERYONE breaks the law to line their own pockets through taxation and theft, civil forfeiture, false reports, licenses, regulations, ect….
I do not support these wars oversees. The congress hasn’t approved it (which is illegal). They are stealing my money to fund these wars (which has killed millions of innocent children), and planned parenthood (which kills more black babies each year than are born in the US).
Kay Griggs tells all about the corruption of the CIA, Government, secret societies, and how Vietnam was a weapons running deal for Henrey Kissenger to make their “military industrial complex” more $$$$$.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ
Ladies and gentlemen, you and your families lives aren’t worth sh*t to these f*cking Tyrants.
Is the US intentionally creating enemies to feed the war machine?
The US Government and its allies are criminal enterprise and a Global state terrorists. They now serve only the interests of the elites, their corporations and their financial institutions. See them for what they are which is criminal fascist scum.
These bombings and the slaughtering are,
for the faking U$A and its allies,
inter”national” business transactions.
For them, words are used primarily as a marketing technique.
If Mr. Lieu is a democrat party member
(or if he were a republican party member),
he should know that the “laws of war” are no longer applicable
because those “laws” might have applied to the former USA,
but there has been a corporate takeover and the chief
characteristic of the current business venture –
which pretends to be a nation of laws
(because that pretense is highly effective marketing) –
has no restraints under its beloved “Free Market economics.”
If Mr. Lieu really wants a different business model,
he is going to have to leave the democrats and republicans
and work against their (now blatant) corruption.
You cannot be a cog in the machine and expect to change
that same machine.
The democrats and republicans do not have time for Mr. Lieu’s
lack of devotion to business. They are devoted to private profits.
So Ted Lieu is really upset about Saudi war crimes of killing civilians but silent about American’s war crimes orchestrated by our Nobel peace Prize President Obama doing the same thing? Something smells here. Maybe why Lieu is upset. Isn’t Saudi on the list of 7 countries the USA planned to invade but like always need to pitch or sell a reason to invade the country for oil or mineral resources, even if we here in the good old USA are guilty of similar war crimes in many other countries the US invaded?
you can’t kill newlyweds according to the laws of war? can someone link some info on this? the only result for “laws of war newlyweds” on google is this article. i’ve never heard of this before. thanks.
I really think it’s important to recognize that what happened in Libya is a cookie cutter example of what is going on in Yemen. Destabilization, radicalization, and years of imperialism in the name of fighting ‘terror’. This is a nightmare.
As a young person who’ll live to the end of the century (unless we get hit with one of those lucrative more ‘usable’ nukes or a merciful meteor) I find it hard to be upbeat about the future. It’s hard to look at friends having fun and tell them that everything they’ve done online is in a database, or drone strikes regally kill kids, or that our democracy and worldwide democracies are being financially coup’d tated. Or worse, that my taxes pay for this.
how can one plan for a future when the present is so bleak?
There are many negative developements as you just outlined. The goal of activism is for individual citizens to allocate some of their own personal time to work towards a better future. The reach out to politicians who are willing to take America down a positive and sustainable path. To work with other good intentioned and long sited Americans to achieve goal based on common ground, despite real political differences. Not to give up when the change is attainable. These wars can escalate out of control, yet haven’t so stay positive as it the practical way to keep going and convince other Americans that there is a better route for our country.
Don’t ever give up hope. You need to be realistic in your expectations for the purpose of planning and making some other decisions, but you should always be hopeful. I’ve learned from playing and watching sports that if you don’t give up you always have a chance, even if it seems otherwise. Realistically the chance might be small, but it does exist and considering the stakes involved, you have to fight for it.
Just like like planting a garden of money and control for the future, keep watering (Bombing) the garden and the resistance grows stronger, then the military manufacturers and there bitches the Saudis, can reap profits for years to come. Perfect way to ensure a future of war, terrorism and profits.
The Saud family (forget the phony titles as if they are “royal” they are human beings like the rest of us) has to be the most wealthy and powerful family on earth. They have accumulated TRILLIONS in key assets around the globe with the TRILLIONS they have collected selling oil at very high prices for all the 70 years after WWII.
The family is in integral part of the US led global Neoliberal empire, not an ally or a partner but part of the body of the Empire of the Exceptionals.
The US doesn’t really have the option of not supporting the Saud family without causing serious harm to the Empire itself – like shooting not your foot but worse.
Yemen is just a passing situation of 70 years of being joined at the hip.
Until the power of the Saud family is neutralized there will just be more Yemens or Syrias or war and death until the Saud family and the US led Empire it is part of has what it wants
It’s been some years since I was on active duty and involved in US “military assistance” matters, and possibly the law has changed considerable since that time. However, then it was quite clear: a recipient of US military assistance that engaged in actions such as Saudi Arabia (and for the matter, Israel) do routinely, specifically indiscriminately targeting civilians — all assistance would have been cut off IMMEDIATELY and action would have been taken to retrieve the weapons being used in such a manner.
What has become of our honor, our integrity, our humanity?
In which war did you serve, sir? I think you are mistaken; you’ve been disgracefully murderous and cowardly arseholes since the time of Sand Creek. Polish your buttons elsewhere – there is no honour in yours or any other wars, though I am sure you have convinced youself otherwise.
Wars for Independence: Treasonous actd against the mother country
Various Wars with the native peoples: Genocidal imperialism
Wars with Mexico: Territorial Empire-building
Civil War: Pro-Slavery on one side, Hypocrisy on the other, all in the name of murdering your own citizens
Boxer Rebellion: murderous US Imperialism
WW1: Arrived late
WW2: Deliberately waited until the British Empire was yours, then arrived too late to arrest the Holocaust and the rise of the Soviet Union, then dropped 2 nukes onto a crippled Japan as a demonstrative warning to Stalin
Korean War: murderous US Imperialism
Vietnam War: murderous US Imperialism
Balkans War: murderous US Imperialism
Iraq Wars: : murderous US Imperialism
Afghanistan War: murderous US Imperialism
Syrian War: murderous US Imperialism
When exactly was you thinking of, sir? This is the problem with you American soldiers, you take your salary and pretend you are not mercenary, and live in this fantasy world of denial where someone else’s loss and misery is somehow translated into your glory and “honour”. Fuck you all.
A glimpse of reality. Well stated!
And F/U too sir, you Alex Jones nut. It is time that you to get back to preparing for the end of the world.
Thanks, Mark. I just got back to my desk after two days of “prying open ribs and letting men go on that indefinite leave that requires no pass” (to borrow from Christopher Fry), and was pondering what to say to this strange fellow. You saved me the trouble. (Actually I was working in an orchard that my wife and I managed to develop on land that 30 years ago was an eyesore, but don’t tell You Never Had, he never would believe it.)
May one inquire what nation you hail from, what in general are its claims to enhancing civilization, and specifically, what are yours?
Agreed, except:
War for Independence: England was the reigning empire before the U.S., so nothing wrong with fighting them. “Treasonous act[] against the mother country”? I don’t think so.
WW1: The U.S. didn’t merely arrive late. This was a war among the rich as much as anything, and as far as I can tell the U.S. and its allies were on the wrong side of it to the extent that there was a right and wrong side.
Don’t make the mistake of attributing You Never Had Any to Start With’s tirade with anti-war sentiment. It was clearly designed to be an anti-American statement. “The War of Independence: Treasonous actd against the mother country”…WTF! He literally ended his tirade with “Fuck you all” to William M Edwards, all American service men now and through out history, and ultimately every reasonable person on this website. The statement is meant to be radical and extreme so that under a different screen name he can accuse all commentators that challenge his pro-war rants of being Anti-American. It happens under a variety of usernames and a variety of topics. Its like crazy Mani below throwing out anti-Semitic stereotypes and harassing people to bait them into responding, so that she can misconstrue what they say and point a finger at them accusing them of being Anti-Semitic. I’m not going to tolerate this crap and will defend everyone that’s disrespected in the process.
I am pleased that Rep. Ted Lieu is my member in Congress and I totally support him in his endeavors to stop the Saudi/U.S. slaughter in Yemen.
In the meantime, did the United States just declare a “No Fly Zone” in Syria?:
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2016/august/22/breaking-did-washington-just-declare-a-no-fly-zone-in-syria/
If the United States shoots down Syrian jets flying in their own air space or Russian jets there at the request of the Syrian government this could be the beginning of WW III.
Yet no mention of this critical news in the MSM. No questioning of Obama or Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.
No press conference with Her Royal Highness for close to 300 days.
“It’s not a no-fly zone……but……the Syrian regime would be wise to avoid areas were coalition forces have been operating, and we will continue to defend them. And if need be, we will send aircraft again to defend our forces.”
If doublespeak was an Olympic sport, Cook would be returning to work this week with 3-4 gold medals around his neck.
“We believe Saudi Arabia has sought to comply with the Law of Armed Conflict,” McKeon wrote.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….HAHAHAHA…HOHOHOHOHOHOHO… HAHAHAHA…HAHAHA…HEEHEHEHEHE… HAHAHA…HAHA…
These lying bastards never cease to fucking amaze me. They must take a course in “How to lie through your teeth and keep a straight face”.
I’d give up my SS to SHOVE their scumsucking face in a pool of some dead Yemeni childs blood. And then kick their ass to hell and back.
Good job Congressman Lieu. Hopefully you keep up the good work. Especially if Netanyahu comes back to congress trying to lobby America to go to war with Iran on Israel’s behalf. The moral work you have been doing shouldn’t stop with Saudi Arabia’s brutal treatment of Yemenis. It should also extend to the war crimes that Israel has been carrying out on Palestinian civilians. The small set of Zionist radicals that reside in your district will demand the you do their bidding, but it will be in the best interest of our country and the rest of your district if you continue to follow the law and your conscience.
Are the two weddings in a week the only weddings Saudi Arabia has bombed? I was looking before and couldn’t find any weddings bombed by the U.S. since #8 in 2013 ( https://www.thenation.com/article/us-has-bombed-least-eight-wedding-parties-2001/ ) – apparently the Saudis have taken over for us. I hadn’t realized that this morning, but I still laughed and laughed when I read in the Daily Mail,“‘The perpetrators of this barbaric act cynically and cowardly targeted a wedding, killing dozens and leaving scores wounded,’ said Ned Price, a spokesman for the White House National Security Council…”
It shouldn’t be a surprise that the U.S. would look for a legitimate government of Yemen to support. After all, the only real casus belli the U.S. has in the Middle East is the war against Al Qaida, which occupies territory in Yemen, and the “legitimate government” fights them. The problem is, this redoubtable limb of rationality has been piled onto with enough weight to crack any decent tree. Because while the U.S. can support the current government of Yemen, trusting that someday, these fifteen years after the attacks, they might actually stop swapping provinces with Al Qaida every year, the U.S. also certainly could support some other government, like the Houthis, that is more fundamentally at odds with the group, or simply recognize Al Qaida as a de facto independent enemy nation within the Yemen boundaries and abandon the notion that America needs some intermediary to sign papers allowing drone attacks on it at all. And in none of these options is support for a second third party actually required, especially when it is bombing yet another third party that is not Al Qaida. One might even cut to the root of the matter and say that with a loosely defined group like Al Qaida it is impossible to eradicate radical Islam as an idea and so hostile action should be discontinued once they’ve been suitably spanked in tit-for-tat fashion, or alternatively to define the enemy as an enumerated list of people the most important of which, fortunately, has been crossed off the list.
So while I won’t say that there’s no conceivable historical path by which some sort of rationale for support might exist here, it is a very long and convoluted and overgrown path, while the path to condemning it on the basis of trivialities like international conventions against war crimes seems a very short and well-marked trail.
No one seems to get the Saudis will be allowed to get away with anything bc they enforce the petrodollar. If they diminish this in anyway, the US $ collapses.
oh this is precious.
lemme guess, the congressman is a democrat who supports Hellary Clinton.
and the TPP Global Initiative.
and the “ARMS FOR DONATIONS” clinton conjob.
and the no-fly zone for perpetual war
and the invasion of syria
and the genocide of Palestinians and land theft.
and the “jerusalem is the capital of israel” bullshit.
and netanyahu zionism.
and wallstreet can rob mainstreet any time with valuation fraud for currency counterfeiting
and the NDAA disappear americans any time
and keeping quantanamo open by closing it a little at a time
congressman? get a clue, pal.
You live comfortably in all this evil?
there are 3 parts to any human being; physical, emotional, spirital.
Some day, we all die.
We don’t float around in some never to return.
What do you want to come back to?
(physical emotional barabbas lives in america and hates and fears mexicans; if barabbas were an israeli he would choose bigotry against palestinians because his reflexive nativist type is everywhere.)
(spiritual barabbas really cares about the downtrodden underdogs, gets overridden by physical emotional barabbas if the scary outsider culturally inferior probably murderous invaders are anywhere near him)
I see we have stopped directly bombing MSF hospitals ourselves and are now outsourcing the job.
First of all, great job Ben!
Second, the fact that we now casually use sarcasm about the death of children (outsourcing the job…) is a sad state of affairs.
Your expectations are definitely too high. Commenters are here to vent their anti Western and anti Semitic feelings (most of the time in a comical way). It is just a response in kind to Fox News that continuously praises the West while spreading Islamophobia.
Nobody actually cares about dead kids miles away. Specially if they are non Western kids.
“Nobody cares about dead kids miles away. Specially if they are non Western kids.”
Go try to sell your cynical snake oil some where else. Most of us are here specifically because we don’t want kids dying here in America, a third of the way around the world, or where ever else they reside.
What sarcasm? Saudi pilots don’t have to answer to American voters/taxpayers.
As the only member of Congress to vote against the war in Afghanistan, I expected my representative Barbara Lee’s name to show up in this article. Disappointingly, it does not. So I just called her office and asked that she co-sponsor the House bill.
“The United States supports the Saudi-led coalition’s efforts to restore the legitimate government of Yemen.”
THAT’s the problem. The fact that the U.S.-supported Saudis are bombing civilians including children is secondary to U.S. support for this evil country. By supporting Saudi Arabia, the U.S. supports massive killing and destruction, even if the Saudis weren’t targeting and killing civilians.
BTW. it’s laughable that the U.S. would claim to support a “legitimate government.” I guess the U.S.’s definition of that term is a government that supports U.S. business and imperialist interests.
Indeed. Look at what happened to the winner of the 2010 Ukraine election. The Council of Europe and NATO Parliamentary Assembly found it to be fair. Did John Kerry stand up for Yanukovich like he did for Erdogan (who is responsible for killing far more people)?
Any country whose leaders bow before the USD and US imperialism and abuse their populations in favor of corporat predators who prefer slave labor and kill union persons so they can sell their products in the US with high prices so wallstreet can print loand dollars, is elligible for legitimate government status.
Just ask hellary how she legitimised the Honduras.
Wow, what if it were Russia who were bombing Yemen! Pearls would be clutched.
“Wow, what if it were Russia who were bombing Yemen! Pearls would be clutched.”
And that is why the little 5 year-old Syrian boy, covered in blast debris, has been shown on all major networks.
Assad bad; Yemen what?
Saudis are not too sure which way our elections will go. They may themselves call a halt to strikes on Yemeni civil people soon in the event we elect Donald Trump, because they know we are not going to tolerate any more nonsense from them. If Lyin’ Hillary, who has emails tumbling out of innumerable servers on a daily basis, does manage to rig the elections that she and her folks are so good at, then it’ll be business as usual for them, so they might as well enjoy a vacation for a few months.
I personally suspect that Huma Abedin is a moderate Muslim Saudi spy. May not be the case, but always a safer thing to consider given the preponderance of evidence. We will have to send her back if we find out more about it.
thanks for staying on this story so shamefully ignored throughout the rest of the media
Ben Norton writing here is fantastic.
I agree with that observation.
Yes!!!
Just as an aside, and on the whole, The Intercept is starting to put together a real solid group of journalists: Glenn Greenwald (obviously), Ryan Gallagher, Liliana Segura, Alice Speri, Lee Fang, Ben Norton, Zaid Jilani, Sam Biddle, Zach Campbell, Jon Schwarz, David Dayen, Naomi LaChance, Murtaza Hussain, Micah Lee, Ryan Devereaux, Dan Froomkin, Andrew Fishman . . . and the few others that seem to be producing a little less volume than the first 15 or so listed. Hopefully TI continues to be able to fund and bring on similar talent.
My only real concerns are with Mackey and Schwartz and I’d like to think they can and will do better. Possibly.
I agree with all that except Jon Schwarz is great! And Mackey, if he’d stick to Israel-Palestine that would be…good.
Just to be clear, I like Jon Schwarz very much which is why I listed him. It is Mattathias Schwartz and Robert Mackey that I haven’t been as impressed with, yet (and hopefully will be in the future).
However, I did like the piece by Danielle Marie Mackey, although don’t know if she is any relation to Robert Mackey.
Solid group of “journalists”.. Lol
Robert “Judith Miller” Mackey is at his peak …
What happened? Where is your outrage against the US government selling sophisticated weaponry to a state that is in clear violations of the Law of War?
Please don’t tell me you gave up. The TI published an article about serious war crimes committed by a US ally that has received multi billion dollar military hardware and the best you can do is to write a few sentences about TI workers? TI cannot be interesting without the typical anti Western rants and weird conspiracy theories!
Oh I got it. Those hospitals, schools… are not being bombed by a Jewish army, and the writer is not Greenwald (the one you worship).
You guys better wake up! You cannot wait until the Jews commit war crimes or when Greenwald writes an article to start your comedy show.
Mona’s implicit support for the content of this article is sufficient for all non-vindictive and sane human beings. There are also are no wahhabist extremists professing their loyalty to a foreign nation state in this comments section, which rational Americans would need to debunk. Although there is a Zionist extremist here, that has decided to harass Mona because she doesn’t behave to the specific dictates of his or her ideology.
Thank you! I started to get bored for awhile. Can you elaborate more of the Zionist extremist? Tell us about his / her plan to control the world.
Look in the mirror
Wow I am flattered. How am I doing? Am I close to a total control?
“Am I close to total control?”
Actual it seems that you have completely lost control, of your mind. That’s probably why Dave is calling you out on being an extremist.
Thank you, Congressman Lieu.
This speaks to the depth of corruption within the US government. I mean, it’s not like Lieu is asking for something outrageous. He is simply using common sense (don’t keep helping to kill people because they’ll hate you and want revenge) and a moral compass (stop being complicit in bombing civilians and hospitals.)
And given how the bipartisan consensus is to favor those who push for wars (Look at why the Neocons and allies are dumping Trump- or why the Democrats stabbed Sanders and numerous Democrats in the back from McKinney to Grayson), there will likely be no change unless someone with principles gets in.
The NYTs is a traitor org out to destroy American democracy for zion,and its whore,HRC.
They care not one bit for Yemenese,Syrian,Libyan,Egyptian,Iraqi,Iranian,Lebanese,European or American dead in their sham war of terror,and the fact that we back every one of these terrorists is just another shameful fact in their serial lies which have created this disaster in the ME.
They are working overtime to deny US the one guy who will return sanity to American foreign policy,Donald Trump.
They seem to be blissfully unaware of the backlash from patriotic Americans that will ensue.
Such is the hubris of whom the gods make mad.
Bravo, Ted Lieu — the kind of individual we need in government, as opposed to the majority of sock puppet blowjobs currently there.