Before a preseason game on Friday, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick refused to stand for the playing of “The Star-Spangled Banner.” When he explained why, he only spoke about the present: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. … There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
Twitter then went predictably nuts, with at least one 49ers fan burning Kaepernick’s jersey.
Almost no one seems to be aware that even if the U.S. were a perfect country today, it would be bizarre to expect African-American players to stand for “The Star-Spangled Banner.” Why? Because it literally celebrates the murder of African-Americans.
Few people know this because we only ever sing the first verse. But read the end of the third verse and you’ll see why “The Star-Spangled Banner” is not just a musical atrocity, it’s an intellectual and moral one, too:
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
“The Star-Spangled Banner,” Americans hazily remember, was written by Francis Scott Key about the Battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore during the War of 1812. But we don’t ever talk about how the War of 1812 was a war of aggression that began with an attempt by the U.S. to grab Canada from the British Empire.
However, we’d wildly overestimated the strength of the U.S. military. By the time of the Battle of Fort McHenry in 1814, the British had counterattacked and overrun Washington, D.C., setting fire to the White House.
And one of the key tactics behind the British military’s success was its active recruitment of American slaves. As a detailed 2014 article in Harper’s explains, the orders given to the Royal Navy’s Admiral Sir George Cockburn read:
Let the landings you make be more for the protection of the desertion of the Black Population than with a view to any other advantage. … The great point to be attained is the cordial Support of the Black population. With them properly armed & backed with 20,000 British Troops, Mr. Madison will be hurled from his throne.
Whole families found their way to the ships of the British, who accepted everyone and pledged no one would be given back to their “owners.” Adult men were trained to create a regiment called the Colonial Marines, who participated in many of the most important battles, including the August 1814 raid on Washington.
Then on the night of September 13, 1814, the British bombarded Fort McHenry. Key, seeing the fort’s flag the next morning, was inspired to write the lyrics for “The Star-Spangled Banner.”
So when Key penned “No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,” he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who’d freed themselves. His perspective may have been affected by the fact he owned several slaves himself.
With that in mind, think again about the next two lines: “And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave / O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”
The reality is that there were human beings fighting for freedom with incredible bravery during the War of 1812. However, “The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over them — and then turns that reality completely upside down, transforming their killers into the courageous freedom fighters.
After the U.S. and the British signed a peace treaty at the end of 1814, the U.S. government demanded the return of American “property,” which by that point numbered about 6,000 people. The British refused. Most of the 6,000 eventually settled in Canada, with some going to Trinidad, where their descendants are still known as “Merikins.”
Furthermore, if those leading the backlash against Kaepernick need more inspiration, they can get it from Francis Scott Key’s later life.
By 1833, Key was a district attorney for Washington, D.C. As described in a book called Snowstorm in August by former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley, the police were notorious thieves, frequently stealing free blacks’ possessions with impunity. One night, one of the constables tried to attack a woman who escaped and ran away — until she fell off a bridge across the Potomac and drowned.
“There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district,” an abolitionist paper wrote. “No fuss or stir was made about it. She was got out of the river, and was buried, and there the matter ended.”
Key was furious and indicted the newspaper for intending “to injure, oppress, aggrieve & vilify the good name, fame, credit & reputation of the Magistrates & constables of Washington County.”
You can decide for yourself whether there’s some connection between what happened 200 years ago and what Colin Kaepernick is angry about today. Maybe it’s all ancient, meaningless history. Or maybe it’s not, and Kaepernick is right, and we really need a new national anthem.
Imagine a lawyer like Francis Scott Key defending a bunch of thieving scoundrels in Washington (they are still there, but today we call them Senators and Congressmen/women); Francis Key was a lot like Hillary Clinton, defending a known rapist and putting the victim on trial. Even blacks owned slaves, so much for white oppression. It was a horrible period in our country’s history and it is time for blacks to quit using that as a crutch for their failings. As long as they blame slavery for their problems, they will always be slaves exploited by the likes of Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, Barack Obama, and their ilk.
And this man went to college? He is uneducated what it means, WOW, side note: it was saying you can take refuge, if you are going to tear apart please know the history behind it first.
For clarification regarding the War of 1812-The declaration of war by the US was a response to British provocation, not an aggressive unprovoked attack on the British: 1. The British had been boarding US ships and forcing the sailors to serve aboard British ships. 2. The British had been encouraging the Native Americans to attack the US lands. 3. The British were encroaching on US lands.
Blacks aren’t the only people who have ever been slaves. They’re just the only people who use it as a crutch. Go ahead call me racist I really don’t care. What I said may not be politically correct, it may offend some people and Obama may not like it but it’s true.
Amazing History lesson comes full circle. It is naïve and a cultish mindset to be so stuck to false traditions of Gods and men. People need to grow up and think for themselves, stop being led by fallacies.
No matter what comment I enter here, all I get is the following error message.
“Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!”
This “The Intercept” thread is obviously a fraud, only publishes what it likes ! !
There is no amount of ranting and raving and arm waving ——— or incomprehensible logic will disguise what the majority sees as an Act of CONTEMPT FOR THIS NATIONS CONSTITUTION.
Then Stop your Incomprehensible Ranting, Amazing History lesson comes full circle. It is naïve and a cultish mindset to be so stuck to false traditions of Gods and men. People need to grow up and think for themselves, stop being led by fallacies.
CONTEMPT FOR THE CONSTITUTION
For those who are are so quick to run and hide behind what they think are THEIR Constitutional Rights of “FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION”.
Those Freedom of Expression Rights were put there for Real Americans who don’t Profane our Patriotism,
Surely, all of the declarations in the Bill of Rights were carefully written so that they would not be subverted by those, who’s desire is to confuse their intent or to abuse their meaning.
I see nothing in the Bill of Rights that could be considered as a Freedom to dis-respect the very Symbols of Patriotism that represent the Liberty and Freedom provided by the very existence of the CONSTITUTION.
These RIGHTS were NOT put there for those who want to MIS-INTERPRET our Constitution, in order TO DISGUISE THEIR CONTEMPT FOR IT !
I am 70 years and totally agree with smitty27.
Francis Scott Key wrote this, he was a Brit and this is the meaning behind that verse…The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812. Get over yourself already…geesh
Jon Schwarz, we do not sing those words/lyrics in the National Anthem regardless of how it was written back in the day. You are not taking into consideration the times it was written. I do not support slavery, I think it was a horrible thing that happened, so don’t get me wrong here. Those words are not known to most Americans because they are not and have not been part of how we sing the National Anthem. Colin did not stand and sing because of these words that we do not sing, he did it for other reasons that I frankly do not agree with. But it is his choice to do what ever he wants here in America, and us Americans either support him emotionally and financially or we don’t. I chose the latter. Unfortunately, Colin does not have all his facts right to go with his words as to why he is doing what he’s doing. He should check his facts for accuracy first then make an informed decision. I whole heatedly believe that Colin is doing this to get attention away from him possibly being cut, this way he does not have to deal with the reason for getting cut from the 49ers. Instead all the attention is on his actions of not standing for the National Anthem and unsubstantiated reasoning. Just like your article, Jon, all you proved is that those words were originally in the National Anthem which mean nothing as they are not part of the song lyrics we sing today. And Black, White, Brown, etc Americans have been singing our National Anthem out of respect for our freedoms. It amazes me that even others from different countries stand and sing our National Anthem, that says tons. America had and has its problems, it, we are not perfect, America has lots of not so good humans that do horrible things, and way more great and exceptional humans. Equally, we are the melting pot of all melting pots, America only has mixed races living here. Fact is Colin, there are people who look white to the eye killing whites; there are people who look black to the eye killing blacks; there are people who look brown to the eye killing browns; etc. There are all colors to the eye killing each other as wrong as it is, it’s happening and has been happening forever. Fact is there are cops killing people who are a different color to the eye then they are; there are various colored people killing various colored cops. Why do we even have to pull a race word out? We are all one, we all matter. Colin, you of all should know and understand this. It is horrible to hear about murders/killings no matter the circumstances, but that does not mean its automatically a race thing.
YES, it’s a “race thing”, stop living in denial.
Isn’t there a safe space nearby you can crawl into, snowflake?
This must be one of the most ignorant pieces on military history ever published.
I think Colin Kaepernick should put his money where his mouth is and do something to help minorities with his millions. Otherwise, he just another guy talking smack and doing nothing concrete.
Actually England did not abolish slavery itself until about 1833 so they were trying to attract slaves not to free them but to fight for them. Additionally the roots for the war of 1812 were based on British stopping American Ships on the high seas and impressing sailors to serve on British Warships. That began in 1803 and that among other things lead to a Declaration of War by the US Congress in 1812. Canada in 1812 was part of the British Empire and it was invaded (if you can call the small number of troops involved and invasion) . The USA was also invaded by British/Canadian/Native American forces as well with battles taking place on both sides of the border. The simple fact that almost no one had/has ever heard the third verse sung (I’m 78 and I never even knew a third verse existed) should tell you that whatever Francis Scott Key was thinking, is not what Americans have been thinking for the last 150 years. You need to get your facts together — but than maybe honesty is more than you can handle.
Excellent reply in the face of self-righteous, fact distorting Leftism.
How does sitting down help the Black Lives Matter Movement? How does it benefit those who are starving or the black children who lack education? How does it help the community?
and how does it help the black on black murders in Chicago? Detroit? DC? New York? LA? St. Louis?
I have to say this is one of the WORST analyses of the controversy. You are not only assuming that nothing has changed in 200 years but blatantly cherry picking your argument to fit your own agenda . Our NATIONAL ANTHEM a celebration of the American people who have made tremendous sacrifices so we could even have this debate. WE ALL ADMIT our society is NOT PERFECT but claiming our NATIONAL ANTHEM is a celebration of slavery is simply preposterous. One of the other comments mentioned you are grasping at straws and I could not agree more.
God Bless America (and your liberty to write whatever garbage you you think will get clicked on)
nothing has changed… it has only been 50+ years since blacks have had rights… and it isn’t the fact society is not perfect, it has to do with you all trying to down play the fact that racism hasn’t gone anywhere and it still exist!…
New national anthem? A simpler solution: How about we just get rid of the third verse. Fixed.
“It doesn’t appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation.”
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/
It’s a lot more likely that “slaves” refers to the “slaves” of the British Empire: namely, British subjects (and yes, that’s the term, kids) including Brits and Canadians fighting against the United States during the War of 1812. Hence also the reason to highlight the concept of “freedom” several times in the song: a free man is not a subject of a king, and one derogatorily calls the latter a “slave” of a king. This is far more likely to be the meaning of that particular song: terming any subject of a crown as a “slave” rather than referring to the tiny numbers of slaves escaping from America to Canada who then joined the British defensive forces in 1812. It’s just propaganda directed at the subjects of the Crown. For the liberals backing Kaepernick, now is not the time to start cherry-picking history. Not everything is about your central ethical dichotomy regarding the African American experience.
Seriously? This is contrived journalism. Another attempt by the liberal press to incite more racial division. If you think this country, the national anthem, patriotism and everything about this is so bad, I am sure you can find a country more to your liking. Mr Kaepernick is a hypocrite of the highest order and you have now joined him on that perch. The racism in this country is a direct result of lack of responsibility in the home. If you create a baby, then be responsible for them. Absent, deadbeat parents of any race are contributing to the problem by the thousands, every single day. How about you and Mr Kaepernick putting your money where your big mouth is and start by encouraging responsible parenting on all levels. Put some of your millions into being a role model by contributing to finding solutions to the endless cycle of welfare babies who themselves become welfare mamas. Teach them the value of education to pull themselves out of the hole they are in. And make no mistake, I am talking all races and ethnicity. Teach them responsibility for themselves and their own actions. Mr Schwarz and Mr Kaepernick you are the problem here since you promote the blame game.
I’ve always liked America, the Beautiful myself.
I am second generation American. My ancestors were slaves, serfs, called barbarians, looked down on as backward, not as human, my ancestral home was wiped away completely, many belittling jokes were told for years, even as a child I hid the fact of my ancestors, many anglicized their names, learned English, only spoke their language at home and only with others related to them. Still I am careful with my ancestry with others. I am even afraid to tell you. Can you guess who my ancestors were and who I am?
IN RESPONSE TO AMERICA WAS FOUNDED WITH SLAVERY SO IT COULDN’T HAVE BEEN GREAT.
America didn’t start slavery it ended it, the world had traded slaves for thousands of years it was our constitution and the formation of that document that provided the foundation to change the world going forward. That people had the right granted by God reinforced with America’s founding documents with a democratic system to self determine. And that my liberal friends is exactly what America has done. We have created more good than any country or system in the history of the world. We have more luxuries, medicines, inventions, longevity, health, and peace. We have saved the world on more than one occasion from the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito. We have NEVER occupied a country permanently after vanquishing dictators that threaten innocent people. All this funded by our money created by the greatest engine of success called CAPITALISM (for the less informed also know as property rights) where regular people not the so called rulers get to participate in the success and expansion/growth of the economic system through personal ownership your home, a private business, a public business, or assets like currency, metals, crops and farm animals are the property of the individual not the government. It is to me amazing that our founding and documents were able to change a world dominated for thousands of years by dictators, kings, imperialists, and socialist systems in our short history. Without America it is probable that the world would now be living under a totalitarian system and most people would be reporting to a dictator of some sort with no hope of improvement and a life of dependency to a governmental system. It was our founding fathers that risked everything, money and their lives, to create a better system run by the people and for the people. And they created the system to correct injustices at a macro level and individual level. It will never be perfect, and there are many injustices within our history but there are far more justices and greatness created in America than any country or system in the world. When people in general understand and know the words above are what make us great is when we will be Great Again!!
Read a response: “Restitch the Star-Spangled Banner!” on the Huffington Post.
From the beginning of the column:
The third verse of the Star Spangled Banner, which curses escaped slaves to the grave for joining with the British, is going from obscure to infamous, thanks in part to Jon Schwarz’s article on The Interceptabout Colin Kaepernick and his refusal to stand for the national anthem. Jason Johnson’s July 4th article on the anthem, on The Root, “Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem”, has also started to go viral since Colin took his seat.
Now people are talking about getting rid of the anthem, or at least no longer standing for it. I’ll give some reasons for why we might want instead to expunge the third verse and replace it with something authentic and better.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-david-seidenberg/restitch-the-star-spangled-banner_b_11785318.html
Um, you do understand that slavery wasn’t limited to just blacks and that there were black slave owners, right? The “positive good” or “evolutionary” belief didn’t come into play until the 1830’s where Democrats believed the blacks weren’t evolved as the rest of humanity and that slavery was a good thing for them. FSK is speaking of a concept, not of races of people.
“Righter?” really? and you expect to be taken seriously as a journalist?
You should probably Google it before you spew bullshit:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/righter
Nope: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/righter
You should probably Google something before you start spewing nonsense.
Your interpretation is off the mark. You must not know the complete history. You’re grasping at straws to fit an agenda to perpetuate a diversion of the races and continued animosity.
More liberal hogwash rewriting of history to satiate their white and Democrat guilt. Thank God for Republicans that fought and died to free the slaves! That God for cops preventing the many more deaths that would be occurring in the black community were they not there. Thank God for America.
This article along with “Trump’s New Billionaire Backer Also Funds Huge Stockpile of Human Urine” should really make The Intercept consider firing Jon Schwarz
Which word or sentence or verse touts slavery?
O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming, Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket’s red glare, the bomb bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes, What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep, As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses? Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam, In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
‘Tis the star-spangled banner – O long may it wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation! Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave
Right here!!!!
“No refuge could save the hireling and slave”
I am 62 and have never heard this. When I sing it or hear it it’s not about slavery! It’s about the greatness of America!!
What an unconscionable argument. The African-Americans in question weren’t “murdered”, they took up arms agains the US and were defeated. Their decision to do so was motivated by self-interest ; so was American’s desire for freedom from the British, and so was, fundamentally, the British and Hessian desire for wealth. They may be heroes to African-Americans but asking or expecting them to be exempted from a triumphalist victory song would require a redefinition of nationalism that so far has yet to exist on earth. So congratulations; you’ve stoked the flames, assured today’s African-Americans yet again that they do not belong, and furthered the cycle of mutual exclusion. It’s easy pickings these days. Hope it was worth it.
If you’re consistent then you also oppose the use of the confederate flag since it represents folks who “took up arms against the U.S. and were defeated”. Of course the difference is the slaves took up arms to fight against their oppressors in the hopes of gaining freedom (ironic given the phrase “The land of the free”) and the confederate did so, at least in part, to preserve their right to own slaves.
Anyone who does not appreciate the fact that the majority of Americans opposed slavery, fought and sacrificed for abolition of slavery, and the born Citizen freedom that people of all ancestries enjoy here now….. you are selfish and warped. Pack your bags, or have your servants carry them for you if rich like Kaepernick, and hit the border. It is open both ways.
That is why he should do what he is doing. Since he is an American, it is his right to stay and bring changes, and that star-spangled banner seems to be racist and was written by a racist.
Veronica, your a racist, I’m a racist. Anyone who claims to have absolutely no racism in them are totally and completely lying to themself and everyone else. If you deny this, you are a liar.
Most of the passionate and vocal people in this whole controversy controversy ought to settle down. The wiser of America’s citizens acknowledge that there is substance to what Kaepernick is protesting about while realizing that America is still a great and unique country. You don’t have to hate Kaepernick to love America and you don’t have to hate America because her history hasn’t been flawless.
*sigh*
Dude, I know you’re trying to be conciliatory, and kudos to you for that, and I don’t want to be that guy (oh, wait, yes, I do) but this is any number of kinds of gibberish. There is nothing great about “America” assuming that means anything at all, and the nation state you’re referring to is only unique in the sense that, technically, they all are, just like this pencil I’m currently holding.
I mean, sure, seeing it’s a commonplace view, by all means let’s reify a complex network of social relationships, overlapping cultural attitudes and disagreements, class war, culture war, sectional interest infighting, &c under an overarching structure of largely inconsistent administrative arrangements that happen due to historical accident to somewhat control a particular territory and have varying degrees of influence in others – what we call a nation, a country, a state, let’s make that a THING. And let’s suggest it’s possible – genuinely and rationally – to have an emotional investment in such a reification. And let’s go deeper into the stupid mines by arguing it is in fact LAUDABLE to have such an emotional investment. (And if we want, we can dig to the earth’s core through such seams of dumbitude by believing that the most laudable way to love us some country is through empty gestures and symbols like anthems, flags, and yellow ribbon bumper stickers.) No, that doesn’t seem like a pointless and childish waste of good drinking time AT ALL.
Here’s a thought, American friends (well, everyone – any society’s patriotic foolishness differs only from others in degree and style). Instead of all the country-loving ritual display, why not show some care (you don’t have to love anybody) for your community? Volunteer at a soup kitchen or old folks home, or just pick up some freakin’ litter, or something. Or would that be too much like creeping socialism for y’all?
I of course won’t be doing anything like that because I hate everything and everybody, obviously, and what with me being so unique. I really need to get myself a flag for that.
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
Why do you people forget that almost every race at one time was a slave. Africa rounded up it own people and sold them. The Jewish people were slaughtered as were Indians we stole there land and put them on a reservation who riots for them? I am sick of hearing this crap and the press just keeps fuels the fire.
So we should have an anthem celebrating it!? Quit blaming the media you baby, the Germans have laws against using Nazi symbols so your comparison is crap.
So what’s your point?
yeah shari the way we treated native americans definitely shows that kaepernick is wrong
this is about america Not another country with slaves. and the native Americas are protesting right now, open your eyes or mind. nobody is fueling any fore or making things worse. they are simply saying the truth needs to be told. the whole reason so many whites are angered is because they don’t know the truth! they never had a black history class. they dont know what the national anthem means, only what they were told by their racist ancestors. like the article said would anyone blame a Jewish person for not saluting a song written by Hitler?
The United States had…slaves?
I’ll disregard off hand an article in which the headline reads “Righter” The author should next time use a dictionary and thesaurus before making an article because its obvious he doesn’t understand proper grammar or vocabulary.
May be you might want to check……!!
right
[rahyt]
adjective, righter, rightest.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/righter
I’m sure you never miss anything with that amazing logic.
May be you might want to check…!!
right
[rahyt]
adjective, righter, rightest.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/righter
In Godless America Lil Wayne’s God Bless Amerika would make a much more fitting National Anthem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nb4EHY_2bI
The Star Spangled Banner might have been appropriate in 1812, but 200 years later? And the churches still have that “Battle hymn of the Republic” which tells us more. And how many battles has “america” fought around the world? I think it’s time for a change. These songs show the attitude of our ancestors–choosing a battle song over “America the Beautiful,” for example. God Blessed America–and what have we done with it??
Coming from one north of the border (who may have been considered an enemy during the War of 1812), I find the Star Spangled Banner to be one of the most inspirational songs there is. Not just because of its poetry, but because the U.S. was the underdog at the time, fighting the superpower.
You either completely missed the point of the article, or you’re a racist. Or both.
After reading the article and many of the comments, it is unclear if the Mr. Key was referring to African-American slaves or not – only Mr. Key knows that. But let’s assume for a moment it was the African-American slaves fighting with the British against the Americans. By definition, any American (of any color) who fights with the enemy and helps burn Washington is a traitor. So wouldn’t it be reasonable that Mr. Key would have been angry at traitors as any American would? So either way, this has nothing to do with race but with any enemy of America.
I don’t know about you but I would be an enemy of America if I were being “lawfully” kept as a slave.
you’re defending slavery
good look
Out of context and wrong. Does anyone actually know this song and what it’s about? How do you take half a verse and give it a meaning entirely different from the rest of the verse and the song as a whole? Jon Schwarz is apparently desperate to find slavery in everything.
This is so one sided. You want to dig up all of the Dead Soldiers whose bodies supported the Flag Pole to keep it standing in the Dawn’s early light! The British fired their canons all night long. Killing one soldier after another. Do you think they honestly gave their lives to keep a Slave in their possesion? Really? The verse you are referring to is about the Enslavement of US Citizens aboard the British Naval Ships.
I am over 30% Irish and for your information it was the Irish who were enslaved by the white man at this time also. That is fact not fiction but I’m not crying over what happened to my forefathers. We have been able to move on from this years ago. I do know what happened to be the truth however.
Why must you take history and rewrite it to suit your garbage? Why in this time of trials and tribulation is the focus on Slaves anyway? That was then, We have all paid the price. Let it Go. Live in the present and work together for America. The war was to establish the Republic you Moron and the Irish, Blacks and White’s fought together for the Freedom from the British. The American Flag represents all of these Men who died so that you and I can live. For that I will always stand at attention to our Flag and our National Anthem. Here is a link to a video about that night and what we fought for. It’s never to late to learn the facts for most. But for some it may be to difficult to comprehend how wrong they can be.
https://www.facebook.com/robert.surgenor.5/videos/10204458888057032/
Im from Baltimore. I spent much time at Ft McHenry which is a historic park in the city. The notion that the British killed one soldier after another and dead bodies held up the flag is a myth. 4 people were killed in that assault according to the National Park Service who can actually show you where they were hit. If Karma is a bitch then it sure was for Key, whose own grandson was incarcerated at Ft McHenry during the Civil War for his Southern sympathies.
It’s “Whites” not “White’s”. Whites is plural, not possessive…you are the moron. It’s never too late to learn grammar facts for most. But for some it may be difficult to comprehend how wrong they can be.
It’s “Whites” not “White’s”. Plural not possessive. You are the moron. “It’s never to late to learn the facts for most. But for some it may be to difficult to comprehend how wrong they can be.” Oh how right you are!
Actually the Star-Spangled Banner is more of a farce than Mr. Schwarz suggests. The difficult tune is actually lifted from: To Anacreon in Heaven. It was the official song of the Anacreontic Society, a gentleman’s drinking club in London. It was considered highly bawdy in its day . . . ” . . . And besides I’ll instruct you, like me to entwine, the myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s vine . . .&c.”
One little verse about slaves and not even a bad one?
The truth is NO ONE sings the song because of that verse. NO ONE. They sing it because it has another meaning, a positive one.
It’s a beautiful song as well.
The this guy who refused to sing, didn’t know of this verse either.
So not really an excuse.
The whole idea of needing a national anthem is childish and ridiculous. Same with standing with one’s hand over their heart affirming an oath to a concept they have no intention of honoring should the U.S. be attacked from within or without. False patriotism is constantly on display from those who are wrapped in a flag carrying a bible. Spare me the indignation.
Quite the projection you have going on there. Anything else of yours you want to project?
Why does he need an excuse not to participate in the national anthem?
How can u speak about what he read or did not read. Perhaps you need to mind your business if that is your comment. Colin Kaepernick is not an illiterate!!!!!
“Few people know this because we only ever sing the first verse.”
True enough. Problem solved. No need to discard the *entire* song.g.
“And one of the key tactics behind the British military’s success was its active recruitment of American slaves.”
They did the same thing during the War of Independence. It didn’t work then either.
Here’s a response to and support for this piece on the Huffpost blog, “Restitch the Star-Spangled Banner!” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-david-seidenberg/restitch-the-star-spangled-banner_b_11785318.html
Thank you for your article and for posting the link to it here.
Here we are,in the 21st century,proscribing 19th and 18th century long dead,while the actual racists run roughshod on a captive population for 70 years,without one synagogue or temple saying enough is enough,stop the hate and racism,and only disparaged ultra orthodox religious Jews and alleged self haters condemning the obvious criminality.
The theater of the absurd,a zionist production.
http://m.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
You’re incorrect.
The writer ignores the impressment (enslavement) of US Citizens by the British into service aboard British Naval warships among many other things…
He’s spinning a a web over the truth in history.
What a lame spin. And what’s more pathetic is anyone trying to create a spin like this as an apologist for a person who is a disgrace.
One thing umm seeing as they were free slaves yes, fighting for the British the people America was fighting at the time and most people will celebrate the deaths of any enemy combatants lets look at Jamboree when Osama was killed or when Saddam had his head ripped off because the rope was too long and I would imagine someone writing an article for a website could fact check but ya know you are a meat headed moron like all jocks I really cannot expect much from one with an IQ comparable to a rotting watermelon even if said watermelon doe’s have an Iphone jammed up its colon.
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The “hireling” is reference to the Irish slaves everyone wants to forget. The USA had white slaves also which were mostly Irish. I am half Irish and know my history of my people in America. I know the Irish were also treated horribly, yet we do not expect reparations and still honor the American flag, because though our history is tainted, the American flag stands for the many fellow veterans who fought and died so I may live freely today. So, I will continue to place my hand over my heart to show my love for God and country.
“…yet we do not expect reparations and still honor the American flag”…
Speak for yourself. Reparations ARE in order even though we were eventually granted “honorary whites” status, and no, I do not “honor” a piece of cloth.
No, reparations are NOT in order. The 359,000 mostly white soldiers that died to end slavery paid that tab in full.
Also, just because my great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather may have owned some slaves does not mean that I am responsible for his actions as I was not around back then to do anything about it. Just like I cannot be held responsible for a murder or wrongful death that my father committed 20 years ago when I was a teenager, I cannot be held responsible for the aforementioned injustice.
Therefore, the reparations are only a logical thing to liberals disconnected from reality who want to blame their current lack of making anything of themselves, like Dr. Ben Carson did, and stupidity in continuing to vote for liberal politicians who have not fixed their environment (the definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same action and expecting a different result, yet African-Americans keep voting for democrats), on injustices against their great-great-great-great-great-great- relatives. Look inward as to who’s to blame for your current situation.
irish slavery in america is a made up lie, and the military industrial complex doesn’t exist to protect your freedom
You are a moron to think that was about killing slaves. It was about reaching out to fight tyrants who had slaves, including our own king at the time. Read the lyrics and stop trying to invent racism where there isn’t any.
You are wrong. It is referring to the slaves who fled from the U.S and joined the British forces in-order to obtain freedom. The author comes from generations of wealthy plantations owners and wrote that verse as a jab towards them.
So this Jon guy is kind of an idiot because he’s either stupid or just trying to rial more people up. His words are all lies and he gets his stuff printed. The problem is many people believe it if it’s on the internet.
https://www.facebook.com/robert.surgenor.5/videos/10204458888057032/
You sir have no idea of why the Anthem was penned and what it means. Perhaps this will help you.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
I sure would love to keep participating but i cant find my first comment nor can i find any of the replies to it. I might be missing something but this site is NOT user friendly
To understand Colin’s mindset is to look at recent converts to Islam. The views they hold are similar to the ones he holds now. I’m sure he will be radicalized soon and will give away his entire fortune to those radicals such as CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood.. et al.
As if Christianity knows nothing of extremism. Reference Extreme Right Republicans. Quite a leap to expect a guy to go from protesting the stars and bars to becoming a radicalized Muslim. Your rationale says more about you than it does Kaepernick.
You are an idiot. Not every little thing in this world is about slavery.
If he did this more than 60 years ago, he should have been honored, but this nation that was wicked for owning slaves and passing laws that forced segragation is no longer opressing black people.
It would be the same if he sat down because he though women couldn’t vote. He simply is missing the mark and ignorant.
You make it sound like the American slaves, were given British welfare housing and food stamps, they were offered better living conditions working for the British as mercenaries, the song isn’t celebrating anything more than a war victory over the British, the british and Admiral Cockburn ,were using the former slave mercenaries,exactly like the democratic party does to this day.
I think you make a valid point in that political parties, at least the two major ones in this country, seem to not want to actually represent the will of the people. They apparently would like to get your vote(or prevent you from voting ala restrictive voter registration laws) by hook or crook(gerrymandering districts) and disregard you until the next election, tossing you a well chewed bone(or dog whistle) every once in awhile to secure your blind loyalty to the party. Blind loyalty to the country, despite crushing evidence that gives, or should give, one pause, seems to follow.
roman, (I will use lower case for your name since you did, and maybe for good reason) I suggest you read the article again because from your response you either didn’t read all of it, you have a reading comprehension problem, or you are just brain dead. Or in a deliberate attempt to sound like you, maybe you take the position that you do because you feel it will help you avoid deportation LOL.
That stanza has noting to do with African Americans, and suggesting that it does doesn’t fit the historical record. It was, in context, clearly about British soldiers. Using those terms to describe professional soldiers fighting for monarchies was common in 19th Century republican poetry. There is an Irish song, Boulavogue, written in 1898 but based in part on older works about the 1798 rebellion in Ireland, with the following lyrics:
“Look out for hirelings, King George of England,
Search ev’ry kingdom where breathes a slave,
For Father Murphy of the County Wexford,
Sweeps o’er the land like a mighty wave.”
This was to highlight the distinction between those who fought for a monarchy and those who fought for a republic, and was devoid of any racial implications. Certainly, the situations were different on opposite sides of the Atlantic (especially with respect to race), but the mindset of viewing British soldiers as “hirelings” and “slaves” was clearly there among republicans.
Now, the song might be bad because it’s really tough to sing or not melodically stirring or whatever. But it isn’t about killing African Americans. It’s about killing British soldiers.
Saul, you are part right (while Jon Schwartz is completely wrong) regarding the fact that the Star-Spangled Banner is not speaking to African slaves in America and glorifying the slave trade and treatment. However, the lyrics in the third verse regarding “hirelings and slaves” is not referring to British soldiers, either. From antiquity, and continuing into the nineteenth century, invading kings’ armies would kidnap residents in the invaded country and force them into military conscription to be fodder for the invading army on the front lines, thus reducing their losses in blood of their own army. This practice is highlighted in the Irish anthem you mention, (and, by the way, in the history of the battles between Scotland and England against England’s Edward the Longshanks, who conscripted Irish slaves (Mel Gibson’s movie, Braveheart), in the Star-Spangled Banner, and in France’s La Marseillaise.
Saul that is so hurtful to reduce this to bad lyrics. To imply that the killing and maiming of Afican Americans during this time in our country’s history was nonexistent is belittling. Slaves were property and valuable and their loss was harmful for business purposes however, history is replete with examples where they were murdered and brutalized for public consumption. These same slaves were leaving in droves to join the British, which would have been a major concern for slave owners. Is it really a stretch to imagine that during a period of patriotic fervor Key would glorify their demise in song?
Seriously? Kaepernick has no clue about any of this stuff. He is just a recent convert to cultural marxism.
Look how Kaepernick avoided mention of the guy in charge the last 8 years,Barack Hussein Obama,the enabler of zion and their traitor moles in destroying the ME.
Typical idiot.
151,000 jobs!Hey that’s still less than half needed to keep up with the burgeoning population,and he hasn’t reached that level of employment in 8 years,the teflon POTUS,who has never faced the wrath of true reportage.And Joe Bitem,admonishes a friend of a dead Syrian,by saying my son died too.Are you kidding me?One died of natural causes,his son(could be war related of course,the morons),while the other killed by US or our terror acronyms, in war.
A maroon personified.
Although I have never been a big fan of “The Star Spangled Banner”, I confess that I didn’t know of all of the history behind it. Now that I do, it is despicable to me that the slave owner Francis Scott Key wrote of the “land of the free” while holding human beings in bondage. Who knows what he really meant in verse 3, but we do know that some U.S. slaves did go to their graves fighting to be free in the War of 1812 and he had to be happy about it. From now on I will sit with Kaepernick. Give me “America the Beautiful” (Ray Charles version) instead. I’m a vet too.
I wouldn’t waste urine on your grave, moron.
Come on now. Kaepernick probably doesn’t even know that there are more verses in the SSB, that’s not why he’s sitting.
The point is not that he knew this history, but that this history is indicative of how race relations were reaffirmed and celebrated then and how this history reverberates today, mostly unexamined by those who benefit from this arrangement. Why do you prefer to downplay the significance of his actions rather than be appaled?
Please give evidence that the people of America and the state are oppressing black people.
Great article. We need to think more and comment less. The National Anthem at present is unsingable, so let’s change it at once.
IDIOT
The author of this post obviously failed to even try and look for the author’s (Francis Scott Key) meaning of the specific words and phrases in the F S Key poem about the British assault of Fort McHenry! See what you want to see and jump to conclusions! Here are the goods and a reference to those who want to know the truth!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’ He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked. But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British. The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence. The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812. Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
http://www.american-historama.org/…/star-spangled-banner-ly…
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/
So here’s the deal (facts) regarding all the hate towards Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand and participate in the National Anthem:
1) First Amendment of the US Constitution – Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. Colin has an absolute right to think and say whatever the F$*king G$%D*$! thing he wants to think or say. Just as you have the right to say ignorant, disrespectful, and hateful things about him. Furthermore, Colin has the right to believe whatever the f@*k he wants to believe and practice whatever religion he wants to. Just like you have the right to spew “God Hates” or “God Loves” this and that stuff everywhere.
2) The US National Anthem (Star Spangled Banner) as well as the Pledge of Allegiance, are Christian-based songs. Under the First Amendment, Individuals who are NOT Christian/Catholic/Baptist/Methodist, etc, etc, are not required to participant or sing them. Nor should they be expected too.
3) People of different nationalities that were not born or raised in the United States of America, or who are only visiting the USA, are NOT required to know the national anthem/pledge of allegiance, let alone participate or sing it. For F@^k’s sake! Other countries around the world don’t expect American’s to know their national anthems and to participate (granted it’s nice and awesome if they do).
4) I understand that for many, that the American National Anthem is about remembering and honoring all those that died and fought for our freedoms. It’s a touchy subject. But unless the “Great Ol’ Land Of The Free” America is actually a tyrannical dictatorship, you CANNOT F*^king force someone to do or say something against their will. Nor can you hold it against them and retaliate against them for them not doing what you wanted. That’s basically throwing a temper tantrum (something a 5-year-old would do).
American’s need to chill the F’ out with its manic patriotism and overzealous pride. Sure, it’s great that you’re proud to be an American. America’s a great place. It’s also great that we live in an extremely privileged society. But people are slowly starting to cross the line in which America stops being the great country of diversity and freedoms and starts being a country of privileged assholes bent on terrorizing and belittling others that aren’t exactly like us.
True Breakdown of National Anthem… http://m.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
[The words “…and slave” in Verse 3 of the Star Spangled Banner is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships. This was an important cause of the War of 1812.]
It was NOT a reference to actual African slaves, and to be clear, I am not diminishing the atrocities of slavery. But want the author of this article to be careful and get their facts straight.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/
Francis Scott Key was a slave owner that believed blacks to be an inferior race of people.
…and many of Hillary’s heroes were into eugenics which thought Blacks were inferior. So are you saying she’s not fit to be President?
No! Hilary is NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT! She will win by defalt because there are no other qualified reps running!! No way that racist hypocritical woman
deserves anything! After the things she said abt Obama in 2008 its clear she’s racist and was butt hurt abt loosing to a black man! She felt more qualified than the “black man”! Nobody forgot!
The Zionists,with documentation of their racism written into their Torah,and actions of the last 70 years,are fully behind HRC,their mole traitor POTUS candidate.
Here’s a little reference for the morons who believe that their shite don’t stink and that they come from noble anscestry;The draft riots in the CW,when mainly Irish immigrants went on a killing spree against black citizens,because they didn’t want to fight for black emancipation,and the 300 dollar exclusion of rich Teutprots,and killed over 2000 people,with 10,000 casualties,and America warships and artilleray were used to suppress the riots.
The Colored Orphan Society building was burned down,and many blacks hung from lamp posts and trees.
Funny,the Teutprots appellation.I got that from a Time Life NYC book where Anthony Burgess,the author of a Clockwork Orange,wrote the story to go with the photos and illustrations.Wasp is a misnomer,as whites are always Anglo Saxon,so I guess we are Asps.
I picked out the book to read at dinner right after I used tolchok to the gulliver on the thread,Weird.
Maybe The DS should worry more about the Chicago blacks killing and shooting each other everyday!!!!!!!! I don’t see him spending his oppressive salary to help anyone but himself!!!!!!!! What a loser!!!!!
He is giving away $1million to groups fighting racism and oppression in this country. And he is using is celebrity to bring a critical issue to the forefront, and judging by everyone’s response to his stand so far, those groups are really going to need it.
The sad reality of the times is being ignored here. The vast majority of slaves brought from Africa went to the West Indies because the mortality due to disease and unhealthy living conditions on the big British plantations there were so deadly the slave population needed constant replenishment. IIRC about 12x went there as did the America. In America the slaves not only survived but their population grew so rapidly that importation was brought to an end quite early, the slaves flourished here, in the physical sense anyway. The mortality in Africa was even worse than the West Indies, with all kinds of disease, strife, and horrid living conditions. So here comes the punchline right out of the white supremacist playbook: if you wanted to live in relative security, have a family and some semblance of a life, living in America as a slave was your best option at the time. The poor whites were no better off either, they weren’t owned but they were figurative slaves.
Slavery sucks the big whanger,its evil.
But to say that some blacks were treated well by their masters is not given currency,as it was in the masters interest to keep his slaves happy and productive.And where would the pre CW slaveowner release his captives slaves,into the society that would have just re enslaved them?
To critique those of other times with the parameters of modern hypocrites,is an exercise in illiberal horseshite.
There are also other ideas of what was meant by hirelings and slaves….It could also mean the German Hessians(hirelings) and American Sailors taken captive by the British that were forced to work on British ships. I can see why some people would automatically stay away from this meaning of the words. Everything these days must be racist I guess.
Blessings flow.
To all for and against.
1. Colin broke no law, in fact, Colin exercised the SUPREME LAW, the CONSTITUTION. People like Dro on this page, has no respect for Colin’s decision but, is pissed when his decisions is not respected. PATHETIC DRO.
2. The Star Spangle Banner (SSB) was written by a man who owned people, who we were taught in school were or are called SLAVES, who really are victims of a crime, KIDNAPPING, for which all so call SLAVE owners are accessories after the fact of the KIDNAPPING. They all knew that they were purchasing human beings, including the Chief Justice in the Dredd Scott case. By rights, all of those men and women of the elite, the judiciary, political arena e.t.c are all criminals and, their descendants are benefiting from the proceeds of criminal activities, something you get jail for today, as well as yesterday.
3. The SSB doesn’t represent so call black people in the USA, you were property then, still is today, the Dredd Scott Case has never been overturned.
4. The people who fought in the War of 1812, have no idea why they were truly fighting, the Moors (Black People) only knew that freedom was very possible, if they fought on the British side. However, that war was about owning the financial structure of the USA. SEE: ALL WARS ARE BANKERS WARS (youtube)
5. Those of you who would like to change the reason why this song was written, to ease your treacherous minds, forget it, the author is dead and you can’t inherit that from his estate to change the essence of the song to suite you, SORRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A lot of people would be considered Moors you realize correct as the Euro’s used it a a catch all word for the Berbers North Africans and European Muslims and the people from modern day Serbia and surrounding areas well they look pretty damn white too me and btw the warrior slaves of the Moor’s were called Mamluke’s
Other story of political correctness, that’s what’s wrong with ppl this days, America doesn’t need you to dig into history and ask for pay backs. Not saying not to learn about history, but also learn about move the fuck on.
You can’t judge the meaning of the national anthem only by the circumstances of the time during which it was written, or the failings of its author. Very few anthems (or pop songs) would hold up to that kind of scrutiny. The meaning has evolved over time, as has our country.
If you judge people who lived 200 years in the past based upon modern, peacetime, rich country standards of behavior, you obviously have a very tenuous grasp of history.
Kapernik is not sitting because Francis Scott Key was a racist, he is sitting in protest of the lingering systemic racism in the US, especially in the criminal justice system (and also because he is an attention whore, I suspect).
I saw yesterday he saluted the warriors for zion,the militarists who have made the world the shitehole it is.
He is just another brainwashed victim of Zionism,and its divide and conquer of America,as this article is revealing of.
Anyone interested in the whole and true story of the War of 1812 should read Pierre Berton’s War of 1812, Flames Across The Border and The Invasion of Canada: 1812-1813. These 3 books are the most in depth study of the subject available. It’s about 1800 pages all told and Berton doesn’t pull any punches in telling the truth about the war. This is not a patriot’s book. This is an author, brilliant historian and researcher’s book. The truth is there but it’s a looong and for the most part exciting read.
You’re suggesting that those who are impervious to facts actually read a tome filled with facts. Kudos to you for your faith in those who have demonstrated that they don’t respect free speech rights.
So Keys’s taking a dig at the British Empire’s ploy to use slaves and encourage slave revolts in their war to re-subject the United States to its rule is tantamount to making the anthem a full-throated pro-slavery manifesto? Is that really a fair interpretation? Keys probably thought that using hirelings, slaves and slave revolts to make his entire country slave was worse than black slavery. And that’s not so unsupportable a judgment that it’s worth damning the anthem for.
Now even if it’s true that the British Empire didn’t have such plans to undo the Revolution, that’s the conceit of the song. Keys was echoing the fiery passions and slogans on the American side that this was a second war of independence, a fight over whether it shall be “the land of the free.” Hating the subjection of your country to a foreign power and despising the use of hirelings and slaves to bring it down, is a completely understandable and noble sentiment. That’s what the verse conveys, and you’re out of line to take it otherwise.
And you oversimplify the causes of the war when you mention only the American ambition to take Canada.
We don’t sing the part about slaves and never will.
The part we do sing is our national anthem and it is for all people.
Kaepernick is wrong and his moment in the sun is almost over.
He is a lousy QB and will be cut.
Then he won’t have to sit during the anthem anymore.
And this story will go away.
George Vreeland Hill
A lie of omission is still a lie.So no, it is not for all people anymore than “life liberty and the pursuit of happiness” was for all people. It is part of an ongoing pattern deceit, trying in vain to make the vile appear noble.
Oh if he’s cut he’ll still be sitting. Just in a more comfortable chair at home while he earns another 11.9 million. Poor guy.
So many bigots reading the intercept,go figure.
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
So what you are saying is because we don’t sing the part about celebrating the death of black people the national anthem is for all? Explain how an excerpt of a hateful song makes it better? Oh like cut and paste. Oh like police kill blacks and get paid leave and that is a fact but nevermind the facts because this a hole is disrespecting a song. A racist song. Oh yeah I forgot, he also disrespected the flag too according to other people. what is a flag and who actually dies for a flag. Gang bangers. Red and blue. Isn’t standard practice for every country to have a flag. Isn’t that like Country 101? I’m not going to insult your intelligence because obviously you have none to insult. A flag is a symbol, the last war in Iraq that Americans lost their lives in was an unjust war so be mad at your government for desecrating your flag. Bye bye
As someone noted,those extra stanzas were in a poem,and only part of that poem is the national anthem.
And no one ever sings those verses,or at least in my lifetime.
And did Kaepernick critique the ridiculous and evil war on Iraq?No,he backed the military,like good little lickspittle.
Another lost American mind to propaganda of divide and conquer.
When you’re more outraged by an athlete not standing up during the national anthem than you are by the abuse, coercion,and murdering non-caucasian(non-threatening, non-combative) fathers, mothers, teens and children while under the color of law at every street corner of the usa neighborhoods, undermining. the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs (that would have not one peanut butter of patriotism, none) and should not be in any kind of public office position,thus then, you are part of the deceived by the manipulations and propaganda of the corrupt establishment and their kosher owned media lapdogs. Is it too late to wake up?
Do not call Sacrifice. nor honorable patriotism, the opression and slavery of any kind of people with the guise of (democracy) making life for the non-caucasian was not part of the “””has been sacrificed” at the time the parts of the national anthem was written because even the author who penned it shows his true caucasian colors against any non-white with gusto and that is the farse you call sacrifice? that is not sacrifice nor patriotism, that is opression and slavery chanted away deceiving the usa- masses and not informing the domestic masses concerning the disgusting facts about a supremacist racist anthem. Look up the characteristics of “””context” and what it means and entails hemingway. who is still singing and the land of the free? as such evidence of caucasian genocide against black or any nonwhites who freed themselves cannot be hidden or will you deny the true and legitimate historical facts of usa on this point that gives a way the true wicked spirit of many caucasian americans against non-whites or people of color, that is those who are not caucasian. As a brilliant statesman recently said. “”why don’t you call things by its name?”
By 1833, Key who penned the atrocious anthem/hym became a district attorney for Washington, D.C. As described in a book called Snowstorm in August by former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley, the police were notorious thieves, frequently stealing free blacks’ possessions with impunity. One night, one of the constables tried to attack a woman who escaped and ran away — until she fell off a bridge across the Potomac and drowned, thus, this were the words of key concerning the matter “There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district,” an abolitionist paper wrote. “No fuss or stir was made about it. She was got out of the river, and was buried, and there the matter ended.”
any person who willfully perpetrates genocide that damages the spirit of a democratic republic and undermine the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs and should not be in any kind of public office position and such and let us sing a new song of “what is right” not with our lips while perpetrating “by deception we shall do war and be potus” and where bringing to light the true historical facts that the corrupt establishment has hidden deliberatetly is deemed the patriotic thing to chant while exposing the tyranny of it is considered treasonous. — Alejandro Grace Ararat.
postscript: it is fallacious that the same caucasians deliberately chanting away the opression and genocide of black slaves and people of any other culture(except caucasians) with impunity ought to be considered the standard for the land of the free and the home of the brave,(nothing of patriotism for all races of color is chanted one penut butter) that just is not unpatriotic in any epoch it is, also, against what is right, treasonous.— Alejandro Grace Ararat.
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The epitomy of chanting away tyranny while under the color of usa-anthem/hymn as someone:) has been sharing it all along: Who is still singing “””and the land of the free”” but the corrupt establishment (puppet elits included) perpetuating it without the true facts of usa-history while dressed in democracy clothing, and not one peanut butter, concerning this matter in any public or private school accross the usa much less peddle abroad by the their lapdog operatives in the media. Disgusting is short. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
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No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short and so it goes in the same wicked spirit with the former and original values of the democratic party, a fact too
Out of context propaganda. The British supported the southern democrats stance during the conflict which led to the civil war. The British had no problem with slavery in 1860, and rather enjoyed the cheap cost of cotton, tobacco, fruits and vegetables produced from slave owned plantations. No, Key was stating that those who did join the British were now enemy combatants. And whether they were hired by the British crown to fight or a runaway slave joined in the fight against America, they were not safe from the fury that is American determination. Stop using some self-righteous modern code of conduct to dictate what was moral or ethical in 1814. It was not considered improper for Key to be a slave owner in 1814, the context shows that it was considered a valid practice, no matter what we think of it today. The Star-Spangled Banner is the furthest thing from racist; It just puts extra emphasis on how far we’ve come as a country. There is no more slavery, there are protected rights of minorities, there is a (half) black president in the very white house, from which the British intended to remove James Madison. This self-victimization of society will prevent a celebration of how far America has come in protecting all within her boarders. As one of a minority class, there is no other country that I would rather call my home. America, I love you and God Bless you.
Yes,interests trump morality,a very current dilemma.And thank you for your love of country,something we need to take back our nation from zion.
Trump for POTUS.
If people feel this strongly about the National Anthem glorifying slavery and all then petition Congress to change it. As of August 31, 2016 the Star Spangle Banner is still the National Anthem and Old Glory is still a symbol of America. Millions of young men (and women) have fought for the Flag since 1776 till today. Many have died. When I see the Flag passing in review or passing in a parade, I will, as a veteran, stand and render a snappy salute until it passes. When I hear the National Anthem being played or sung, I also render a snappy salute until it finishes. When I hear Taps being played, I will salute. I am an American Fighting man who loves his country…. If you have a problem with any of the above, if you have a problem standing and rendering the proper respect for the Flag, the Anthem or Taps, then get the hell out of my country because you are nothing more then scum like Kaepernick.
So you are saying you fought only for freedoms that you approve of?? The 1st amendment is for all freedoms and for every one. It gives an American citizen the right to stand in front of a government building and set fire to an American flag. That action might make you blood boil but it is exactly why we have the first amendment. The government nor it’s people will prevent an American citizen from protesting in a way he feels is right. To tell some one to leave the country because you don’t like why he is protesting is a slap in the face to those that not only served but also gave their live to protect the 1st amendment. Maybe you should be the one leaving this country since you are against the very things that it represents.
I guess next time you see someone stepping on the flag, you’ll just walk on by and say “have a good day”.
Effin reservist.
Effin democrat.
Looks like someone else needs to learn there history. Because the National Anthem was not about Slavery. The third verse was about being oppressed by tyrany. The Irish and Native Americans were the slaves when that song was wrote.
Mr. Key wrote that poem (later put to music) mainly to portray his anxiousness/relief at seeing our nation’s flag had lasted throughout the night, and was still flying the next morning after an all-night British assault. While it is true there were former slaves in the British ranks, I do not agree that the poem/song glorifies America’s triumph over these former slaves, but rather the British armies.
I also disagree with your idea that our forefathers who fought to gain their independence from England were nothing more than slave killers. They weren’t perfect, and I most certainly do NOT condone their ownership of other human beings, but I myself think they were pretty darn courageous.
The Brits weren’t fighting the colonies to end slavery (they could’ve cared less); the U.S. declared this particular war because of trade restrictions, the forced servitude of upwards of 10,000 American sailors into the British Royal Navy, Britain’s support of the Native Americans fighting settlers, and an American interest in parts of Canada.
And don’t think for a minute that the American colonies were the sole owners of slaves either. The British you so highly speak of owned them as well.
Another fun (but little-known) fact: Oliver Wendell Holmes penned a final stanza to our National Anthem during the Civil War that you’ll probably find refreshing:
“When our land is illumined with Liberty’s smile,
“If a foe from within strike a blow at her glory,
Down, down with the traitor that dares to defile
The flag of her stars and the page of her story!
By the millions unchained who our birthright have gained,
We will keep her bright blazon forever unstained!
And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
While the land of the free is the home of the brave.”
To say the National Anthem is nothing more than a celebration of slavery is false, IMO.
this is bullshit if you dumb asses do not love this song then get the fuck out
Jon Schwarz you are a lying deceiver. (YOU ARE A TWISTER OF WORDS). You apparently do not know our history. So let me introduce you to It. So you will not twist the meaning of the 3rd verse of The Stars Bangle Banner . According to colonial records, the first slave owner in the United States was a black man.
http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was-a-black-man/
America’s first slave owner was a black man.
Prior to 1655 there were no legal slaves in the colonies, only indentured servants. All masters were required to free their servants after their time was up. Seven years was the limit that an indentured servant could be held. Upon their release they were granted50 acres of land. This included any Negro purchased from slave traders. Negros were also granted 50 acres upon their release.
Anthony Johnson was a Negro from modern-day Angola. He was brought to the US to work on a tobacco farm in 1619. In 1622 he was almost killed when Powhatan Indians attacked the farm. 52 out of 57 people on the farm perished in the attack. He married a female black servant while working on the farm.
When Anthony was released he was legally recognized as a “free Negro” and ran a successful farm. In 1651 he held 250 acres and five black indentured servants. In 1654, it was time for Anthony to release John Casor, a black indentured servant. Instead Anthony told Casor he was extending his time. Casor left and became employed by the free white man Robert Parker.
Anthony Johnson sued Robert Parker in the Northampton Court in 1654. In 1655, the court ruled that Anthony Johnson could hold John Casor indefinitely. The court gave judicial sanction for blacksto own slave of their own race. Thus Casor became the first permanent slave and Johnson the first slave owner.
Whites still could not legally hold a black servant as an indefinite slave until 1670. In that year, the colonial assembly passed legislation permitting free whites, blacks, and Indians the right to own blacks as slaves.
By 1699, the number of free blacks prompted fears of a “Negro insurrection.” Virginia Colonial ordered the repatriation of freed blacks back to Africa. Many blacks sold themselves to white masters so they would not have to go to Africa. This was the first effort to gently repatriate free blacks back to Africa. The modern nations of Sierra Leone and Liberia both originated as colonies of repatriated former black slaves.
However, black slave owners continued to thrive in the United States.
By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.
Sources:
John Casor
Anthony Johnson
key may not have been a nice guy but the slavery spoken of in the third verse does not target the african slave trade. what it does concern itself with is the slavery that would often be imposed on the seamen of the colonies who fought against the british. colin was right to sit rather than stand in approval to an anthem of a country that continues to treat the black community as less than human, but not because the anthem celebrates slavery which it doesn’t. it warns of the danger of being taken prisoner of the british navy during the war of 1812. please study it for yourself. i stand with colin as he should always be true to himself, i don’t stand with false history.
you insult history you dolt!
The War of 1812 was a military conflict that lasted from June 18, 1812 to February 18, 1815, fought between the United States of America and the United Kingdom, its North American colonies, and its North American Indian allies. Historians in the United States and Canada see it as a war in its own right, but the British often see it as a minor theatre of the Napoleonic Wars. By the war’s end in early 1815 the key issues had been resolved and peace came with no boundary changes.
The United States declared war for several reasons, including trade restrictions brought about by the British war with France, the impressment of as many as 10,000 American merchant sailors into the Royal Navy,[5] British support for Native American tribes fighting American settlers on the frontier, outrage over insults to national honour during the Chesapeake–Leopard Affair, and American interest in annexing British territory, and expanding the United States farther north.[6] The primary British war goal was to defend their North American colonies; they also hoped to set up a neutral Indian buffer state in the Midwest that would impede American expansion in the Old Northwest and to minimize American trade with Napoleonic France, which Britain was blockading.
The war was fought in three theatres. First, at sea, warships and privateers of each side attacked the other’s merchant ships, while the British blockaded the Atlantic coast of the United States and mounted large raids in the later stages of the war. Second, land and naval battles were fought on the U.S.–Canadian frontier. Third, large-scale battles were fought in the Southern United States and Gulf Coast. At the end of the war, both sides signed and ratified the Treaty of Ghent and, in accordance with the treaty, returned occupied land, prisoners of war and captured ships (though neither side returned the other’s warships due to frequent re-commissioning upon capture) to its pre-war owner and resumed friendly trade relations without restriction.
With the majority of its land and naval forces tied down in Europe fighting the Napoleonic Wars, the British used a defensive strategy until 1814. Early victories over poorly-led U.S. armies demonstrated that the conquest of the Canadas would prove more difficult than anticipated. Despite this, the U.S. was able to inflict serious defeats on Britain’s Native American allies, ending the prospect of an independent Indian confederacy in the Midwest under British sponsorship. U.S. forces took control of Lake Erie in 1813, and seized western parts of Upper Canada, but further American offensives aimed at Montreal failed, and the war also degenerated into a stalemate in Upper Canada by 1814. In April 1814, with the defeat of Napoleon, Britain now had large numbers of spare troops and adopted a more aggressive strategy, launching invasions of the United States; however, an invasion of New York was defeated at Plattsburgh, and a second force, although successfully capturing Washington, was ultimately repulsed during an attack on Baltimore. Both governments were eager for a return to normality and peace negotiations began in Ghent in August 1814. These repulses led Britain to drop demands for a native buffer state and some territorial claims, and peace was finally signed in December 1814, although news failed to arrive before the British suffered a major defeat at New Orleans in January 1815.[7]
In the United States, late victories over invading British armies at the battles of Plattsburgh, Baltimore (inspiring the United States national anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner”) and New Orleans produced a sense of euphoria over a “second war of independence” against Britain.[8][9] The war ended on a high note for Americans, bringing an “Era of Good Feelings” in which partisan animosity nearly vanished in the face of strengthened American nationalism. The war was also a major turning point in the development of the U.S. military, with militia being increasingly replaced by a more professional force. The U.S. also acquired permanent ownership of Spain’s Mobile District, although Spain was not a belligerent.
In Upper and Lower Canada, British and local Canadian militia victories over invading U.S. armies became iconic and promoted the development of a distinct Canadian identity, which included strong loyalty to Britain. Today, particularly in Ontario, memory of the war retains significance, because the defeat of the invasions ensured that the Canadas would remain part of the British Empire, rather than be annexed by the United States. The government of Canada declared a three-year commemoration of the War of 1812 in 2012,[10] intended to offer historical lessons and celebrate 200 years of peace across the border.[11]
Re-enactors (in UK uniforms) fire muskets toward the “Americans” in this annual commemoration of the June 6, 1813 Battle of Stoney Creek
The conflict has not been commemorated on nearly the same level in the modern-day United States, though it is still taught as an important part of early American history,[12] and Dolley Madison and Andrew Jackson’s respective roles in the war are especially emphasized.[13][14] The war is scarcely remembered in Britain, being heavily overshadowed by the much larger Napoleonic Wars occurring in Europe.[15]
You forgot the Battle of New Orleans,fought after the treaty ending the war ,btw,where Ol’ Hickory kicked ass on British troops fresh from defeating Nappy at Waterloo.
As one of my family tree members sang;We fired our guns but the British kept a comin’,there wasn’t ‘as many as there was awhile ago,we fired our guns and the British kept a runnin,way down the Mississippi to the gulf of Mexico,one two three four…..yee haw!
The author has significantly, and dangerously, simplified the political and social contexts of the writing of The Star Spangled Banner. John Legend beware. You can sing a little and play the piano, but the lyrics of your songs are elementary. I can understand how you would be mislead by this article.
This is stupid as hell. Another white guy trying to identify with another race…..
He is a zionist,practicing their usual divide and conquer,look at America today,divided as never before,or at least post CW.
George Bush doesn’t care about black people.
This may be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read.
Your screen name would makes Bibi hard.
Yahoo is hard on for HRC so he can stick it up Americas ass once again.
Dancing Israelis concur.
Why is it the dumbest shit you have ever heard? See white people need to stop either pretending like they don’t see how fucked up shit is for black people in the country, or come down off of this air of superiority especially if you read your history and see how really fucked up ya’ll have been to damn near everybody in the world including yourselves, or just admit that y’all don’t have the ability to or the capacity to actually feel anything. Like Donald Trump. Are you Donald Trump because you sound like him. good night.
That’s your problem. Trying to blame people TODAY for things that happened BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN BORN. Long before even their grandparents were even born for most of this stuff.
Donald Trump is the only answer for black prosperity,as the neolibcon pay to play regime,of whom HRC is emblematic, leaves blacks and other poor minorities holding a bag of shite.
And until minorities wake up from the sleep of BS they are under,as all this crap is zionist divide and conquer,and make education their top priority,instead of sport star worship,and pop music posers,they will linger under the spell of poverty and ignorance inculcated by the zionist MSM,who are trying to fix this election for the Hell Bitch,the enemy of modern civilization and reason.
Police killings of blacks down 70 percent in last 50 years
In 2012, 123 blacks were killed by police with a gun
In 2012, 326 whites were killed with a gun
In 2013, blacks committed 5,375 murders
In 2013, whites committed 4,396 murders
Whites are 63 percent of the population blacks are 13 percent
Just stopping by to say I looked these stats up literally a week ago from their official public sources and absolutely none of the numbers you listed are even close. I’m stunned at how you didn’t even get one figure close to right– that’s very impressive in its own right!
Skip this video up to 3:00 minutes.
https://youtu.be/iGTUcS-yQtQ
Facts!
Noooo! Not the facts! If everyone finds out that more white people are killed by cops every year than blacks than this won’t help our BLM argument!
If that indeed is history and I do not doubt you. It is a part of our past. Our country has indeed dealt with its ill gotten deeds. The National Anthem today represents a song of honor and sacrifice. If someone else disputes that, it is their thoughts. America is one of the world’s greatest countries and while we are a diverse nation, we must be as one for the common good.
Blessings flow Alton:
The National Anthem today, Star Spangle Banner, was written yesterday, it was written for that time, the meaning, for that time. At that time, the writer was a criminal, who owned people that were either kidnapped or, are descendant of a kidnapped people, making them all criminals. You steal something, sell it to a person or, business entity, that person or, business entity knows the atmosphere surrounding the transaction but, continues to do business, they now become accessories after the fact to a crime committed. (subject to correction).
Now, when the Constitution was written, when the Star Spangle Banner (SSB) was written, they were not written with Moors (Black People) in thought period. Now you are establishing what that song mean today, Alton, you didn’t write the SSB, so you are not allowed to state what it means today, the author of the SSB is dead, you don’t own the rights to that song to change anything, it was written by a person who owned kidnapped people and their off spring, you want a song to mean what you are injecting here, write a new SSB or, amend it like the Constitution to “so call include all”.
The Chief Justice in the Dredd Scott case owned people, who we call black slaves, that case is still law today, it was made clear that, paraphrasing:
descendants of slaves who were brought here are not Citizen nor, never will be.
That Chief Justice was also a criminal because, he owned people that were kidnapped, even before the U.S.A. independence, kidnapping was a crime. You Moors (so call black people) want so much to be included, you are willing to change the minds of dead peoples intentions then, who never had your interest at heart, to something you think should be, but, Alton, whether you are black or white, you can’t change the fact that, a so call SLAVE owner, as we know it in the USA, did nothing for the benefit of the so call SLAVE, unless his intentions in the first place, was to purchase these SLAVES, with the express intentions of using the purchase as a means to save some form total brutality or, annihilation.
Your thoughts Alton. Pardon any typos, don’t feel like proof reading, you get the message.
Regards
MAYBE.. just MAYBE that is why those verse’s aren’t used, taught, printed or sung anywhere these days.. You think Kaepernick knows all the verses?? PLEASE!! Keep on keeping racism alive by shallow articles just jumping on the media hysteria of keeping racism alive and well for viewers. The song was written 100 years ago, many many things have evolved in 100 years.. well all except the people that need to keep bringing up all the wrong on the world . Those whom do not move on and evolve will die in the past. WE NEED TO MOVE ON FROM 100 years ago, I think many many white people have apologized for our ancestors, NO ONE OF PRESENT SAY SALUTES THE ANTHEM BECAUSE IT CELEBRATES THE DEATH OF BLACK SLAVES.. MOVE ON PEOPLE!! MOVE ON or wallow in your self inflicted woo is me self pity. With all the strides in this country the black race has accomplished with skies the limit, the bar has been set, we’ve voted in a black man to POTUS TWICE!! yet the oppression just keeps churning as there is no progress. I say bull!!
I get it. You think that this article is what is keeping racism alive. Okay. I’ll humor you. So this article which highlights a truth about the song is keeping racism, the very foundation this country was built on alive? Is this correct? So all caps? Were you yelling about something in particular? Racism is in the soil of this country. Hey if the foundation you built on is rotten then either you tear the house down and start over or you go into the foundation and repair it. Has America repaired the foundation? If yes push 1. If no, shut the front door and stop yelling about the shit America is hiding and not coming clean about. That is how you repair the foundation. Not typing in all caps the fact that America has said fuck it to what it has done to black people and moved on without addressing the issues it has created and sustained. When I say America I mean white people. But you already knew that. Let’s say you were raped 10 years ago and everyday since that person has said hi to you and act like nothing happened. Well that is what America(white people) is to Black people. So stop yelling because I’m sure when you do it in real life no one cares either.
what a bunch of blarney…..that is not what that phrase is referring to…the star bangled banner is a classic and i love it..and it should never change…it is HISTORY..im all for black people and their fair treatment and think of them no different than myself of anyone else…(I’m not prejudiced however this is ridiculous…and its ridiculous how ridiculously far off some in the black community are getting re rights…its as bad as churches trying to do away with hymns…nowadays..
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So the song is wrong? The word slave is in the song followed by grave. Hello? YOu are not all for black people and because you can’t even admit that what you see is what it is you have a serious mental issue
You read the word slave and assume it’s referring to only blacks after so many people explained with historical facts that it’s referring to much much more than that. But you only hear and think what you want for your agenda. You are the one taking it out of context and not seeing it for what it is. Just go read all the historic explanations in this comment section and try not to focus on how you interpret the word slave but on how it was meant.
Jesus,you probably never read or heard of those extra verses from that poem until the day before yesterday,and have never heard them sung in your life.
I never have and I’m an older American.
Quit the panty scrunching horse shite.
This article is a complete fraud and the author is either uninformed about American history … or he’s a damn Trump plant.
The suggestion that somehow the invasion by the British –
THE BRITISH, WHO WERE THE PRIME SUBJUGATORS OF THE WORLD’S POOR AND LEADING TRADERS OF SLAVERS FOR SIX CENTURIES –
had some right to maintain their empire by invading the United States IS BEYOND IDIOCY!!!
And in no way does the reference to “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave” embrace either slavery or the killing of African-Americans. It is a reference to the British attempt to subjugate the American people and their unwillingness to once more be slaves within a British monarchy.
Jesus!
Quit trying to defend a stupid act by Kaepernick which has done the exact opposite of what he intended, and instead as progressives, let’s work together – under the banner of the American Flag which represents Liberal idealism; and the sound of the National Anthem which represents the battle against tyranny – to end the injustices Kaepernick rightly is concerned with fighting.
What So Proudly We Hail. Your unsupported assertions are just that — unsupported. But at least your alternative “explanation” for the words celebrating the death of black slaves is different from (but inconsistent with) the debunked one that has appeared constantly in this thread.
Just out of curiosity EABarrea, how did you come across this article?
I ask because there are now 1,521 comments here and I’ve never seen that before.
So the British didn’t offer Black people their freedom if they fought on the British side? Read a book you emotional piece of origami. That is a fact and although some British people didn’t follow through on their promise(oops 40 acres and mules anyone) keyword some, the British did relocate the Blacks who did fight on their side to Canada and gave them their freedom. So read a book and stop being an emotional Pokemon. Library cards are the key to world of knowledge. Next time you get on the internet to type please let it be a letter to your children telling them that all the lessons you told them about being fair and learning as much as you can before making a decision was a lie and you failed miserably as a parent so you are giving them a two weeks notice before you move into a cardboard box in the meanstreets of mayberry
The British banned the slave trade in 1807. Five years before this song was written, when the US was still a slave owning and slave trading country.
You’re making bizarre excuses for a jingoistic, poorly written ditty written byFrancis Scott Key, a slave owner and documented racist.
And you call yourself a progressive? You’re an aplogist for a racist, jingoistic song that is badly written doggerel to boot. I don’t want what you’re selling.
Oh, shut up you jingoistic dumbfuck. Your interpretation is rubbish. Your blind allegiance to that stupid American national anthem is also rubbish. When I think of the tyranny that the USA has wrought upon Iraq, Viet Nam, Palestine, Afghanistan, and now in Syria your stupid comment is even more stupid.
A Trump plant?Wow.Trump loves America,why would he critique our national anthem?
This guy Schwartz runs down Donald daily.its a preoccupation of mole traitors.
ALL WHITES ARE RACIST!!!! BY DEFINTION NO BLACK CAN BE CONSIDERED RACIST!!! LOOK IT UP YOU WHITE PASTY CRACKERS
Jon Schwarz, you are a lying, ignorant narcissist who is seeking to start a race war. Any remotely intelligent person knows the lyrics you condemn have nothing to do with black slaves; but, in this intentionally poorly educated culture, there will be plenty of people who will take your tripe to be true. If and when the race wars do break out in earnest, you will be the cause of the heartbreak, misery and death they occasion. You are a pitiable excuse for a human being.
So what are the lyrics about hirelings and slaves and the not sparing the grave about genius. A race war won’t be started by an article. There are enough white hate groups looking for any reason to start it and they haven’t moved. White people have gone after blacks since the misconception of this country and y’all will be the ones to start a race war. Schwarz is doing what you should be doing and that is uncovering the bullshit and trying to help heal the damage this country has done to black people. You know stop covering the truth, denying the truth, and moving on without considering the harm that has been inflicted. You stand up or better yet sit down next time the national anthem comes on until your people gain a real consciousness. Thank you. Drive safely on your way to the truth.
Oh my Jon, but your article has attracted hordes of wretched, angry, racist trolls. But I forgive you (I know absolution is important to you, which is why you are so timid in your writing and choice of topics) because you’ve launched a long-overdue conversation about the national anthem and this country’s long and ugly racist history.
And for those who still claim Jon’s history is inaccurate, I again link to this excellent 14-minute documentary which interviews individuals knowledgeable in both the history of defense of the capitol grounds and the anthem per se: What So Proudly We Hail.
you are an idiot
Just out of curiosity jim, how did you come across this article?
I ask because there are now 1,515 comments here and I’ve never seen that before.
Dear America,
Welcome to your first millennium of post-empire angst.
Sincerely,
The previous evil empire
WOW! Might I say that the comments to the article are more interesting than the article itself. We’ve heard over and over that each one is entitled to his or her opinion but not to his or her facts. This sentence aptly describes the comments expressed here. The facts are that African Americans are being killed by cops at routine traffic stops even when they are complying with the police. The fact is that African Americans are being arrested and imprison for drugs at a higher rate than their whiter counterparts who commit similar infractions. This is my opinion now, why shouldn’t African Americans, given their history in America, feel under siege. Why shouldn’t African Americans dig into the fossils of American history for answers as to why in 2016, they are being killed, arrested or imprisoned by a society that has accumulated great wealth off of the backs of their ancestors.
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
Check this link.
Man, they are talking about the americans that were captured by the British and enslaved to work on the ships. Misinformation like this, is extremely toxic and dangerous. Get your facts straight bro. This country has enough issues without someone spreading the flames with false info.
bruh its people like you who make everything a fucking race issue, nobody likes people like you, nobody sings the rest of the anthem because its stupid, and nobody gives a shit if an overpaid guy who plays with balls for a living sat down during a song, so how about shutting the fuck up and finding some integrity because it looks like you have none you fuck wad
Just out of curiosity, how did you come across this article?
I ask because there are now 1,516 comments here and I’ve never seen that before.
Just a Canadian perspective – we have had issues with our Canadian national anthem over the years regarding sexism and as a result we changed the anthem so as not to offend half the population and rightly so. People accepted and learned the new lyrics, end of story. It’s OBVIOUS that the third verse of the Star-Spangled Banner is offensive and it should be expunged. Do the right thing.
Canadian national anthem
Buhahahaha!
Have you ever bothered to ponder about the *ORIGINAL* French lyrics, or is your knowledge of the “other” official language at the level typical of English Canada: ZERO?
As usual, the French and English versions don’t quite say or mean the same thing.
Ô Canada ! Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux !
Car ton bras sait porter l’épée,
Il sait porter la croix !
[…]
Sous l’œil de Dieu, près du fleuve géant,
Le Canadien grandit en espérant.
[…]
De son patron, précurseur du vrai Dieu,
Il porte au front l’auréole de feu.
[…]
Amour sacré du trône et de l’autel,
Remplis nos cœurs de ton souffle immortel !
Parmi les races étrangères,
Notre guide est la loi :
Sachons être un peuple de frères,
Sous le joug de la foi.
Et répétons, comme nos pères,
Le cri vainqueur : « Pour le Christ et le roi ! »
Le cri vainqueur : « Pour le Christ et le roi ! ».
The French lyrics with all its references to faith and deity were never modified.
I really wonder how a Catholic battle hymn composed for the Société Saint-Jean Baptiste ever came to be appropriated by the other solitude… It was written in the period after the 1837 rebellion had been put down by the British troops, and a reactionary period ensued where priests had the first and last word in all areas.
The word “Canada” meant “French”, in a time where the English “Canadians” still saw themselves as “British” first and foremost. To wit, read that other piece of utter crap called “Maple Leaf Forever”.
The Edward VII monument on Phillips Square in Montréal, across the street from The Bay is a case in point. The English language plaque honours the “victor” of the Boer war, and underlines that this place was where English version of O Canada was first performed in public.
The French plaque, which was added much later, meekly renders homage to the “Roi Pacificateur”, with no further information.
I take satisfaction to see Victoria’s son condemned to be crapped on the head by the pigeons and the seagulls for all eternity, even though he wasn’t the worst of the bunch.
(BTW, if you walk up Union street a few meters, near the Métro entrance, you will find on the Bay building itself there is a plaque placed by the daughters of the Confederacy honouring Jefferson Davis!).
He also said this about Hillary – https://twitter.com/Johndaveis/status/770372432100257792
johnlegend Really? I absolutely love this song, because I served in the military. I’m sure you could not possible feel this type of patriotism unless you served. If you do not love this country then by all means you can leave. I wonder if you could make the millions of dollars that you and all the other celebrities make in another country.
Lol I served to Iraq 03-07 but unlike you I am black and America still calls me african even though I have risked life and limb for this county. I am called african to remind me that I am not part of this county. But you will get your wish I will leave it one day but only WHEN I AM READY TO DO SO AND NOT AN MOMENT PRIOR considering what my ancestors had to endure for this country.
Uhhhh…you do realized that Rev. Jesse Jackson coined the term “African American” and urged Americans to use that term, right? It was the PC fix to get people to stop referring to your people as colored or black.
Blacks, African Americans, colored, whatever the hell you want to be called harp on century old atrocities, but give no credence to the FACTS that you are not the only segment of the American population to be treated in such ways. Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Jews…all have faced persecution in some form or another.
Get over yourselves. The rest of us did.
So as a veteran your upset about a song and not the treatment of your brother and sisters in arms after they get back from fighting for these freedoms your trying to take away from another. By that way it’s been a long time since we actually fought for freedom. More money and greed. As veteran I ain’t going no where it’s my ancestors blood spilled all over this land. We help build it along side other immigrants while being beaten. My ancestors who were jailed for free labor. So when and if I leave it will be on my terms not yours. Yeah you fought for America which part?
I would say to camilion 4,why did so many black people vote for the criminal HRC ,when she is know criminal who called blacks superpredators and supported the diminished welfare funds,and all the trade steals that have taken away middle class prosperity and blue collar jobs that are gone,or in illegal immigrant employ,which she also supported?
They totally rejected BS in the most lopsided vote since Saddam Husseins last electoral victory,all their pundits total uncle toms for demoncrat corruption in a shameless display of venality.
Pursue the truth,and maybe you’ll see that not all black problems rest with whitey,although of course racism does still exist,and is practiced by all races.
Victimization,where the failure of their own lives mistakes and lack of respect are blamed on irrelevant ancient grievances instead of the content of character and stupid actions by said,is a common affliction today,and another factor in this failure to come to terms with reality.
Its almost Israeli like.
Except you’re wrong about the meaning of the end of the third verse (not surprising, as you have a ‘U.S. is racist!’ mantra to push, best not let logic get in the way of that!)
The third verse is painting those that would help the British as sellouts, hence the ‘hireling’. Key was painting British enablers as no better than mercenaries.
Kaepernick is not “righter” than we know because I just demonstrated how wrong you are, Jon.
That definitely clears up the ‘hireling’ part… Now about that ‘slave’ thing right next to it. What’s that about?
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
crickets…….lol
However much this discussion of the SSB’s third verse may be true, it is rather irrelevant to the conversation at hand, due to a number of reasons:
-There is no indication that Mr. Kaepernick is aware of this history, and so it doesn’t make sense to use it to defend his motivations.
-While this might make up the complete SSB, in practice it is only the first verse that is truly our National Anthem, and so the only words that matter in the context of how the Anthem is used, to celebrate what is good about this nation.
-Any attempt to devalue the SSB for what it is NOW based on its origin is a pretty sterling example of misapplied morality. It is certain that The Great Pyramids and The Great Wall and other beloved man-made monuments were built on the foundation of countless unwilling souls…does that mean they should be torn down and forgotten? I would think not.
-The problem many people have with Mr. Kaepernick’s actions is that he is demonizing this nation and what it stands for over his perception of one item at issue among a sea of items, good bad and neutral, that affect the nation. It is a cousin of our own First Lady saying that the elections of her husband were the first two times she was “proud of our country”, which embarrassingly posits that the U.S. had never been worthy of pride for her beforehand.
-Worst of all, it is a fairly stark reality that Mr. Kaepernick’s view is actually horribly misguided. African Americans do not lose their lives at any kind of excessive rate to police “violence” relative to the losses of other groups. People commit crimes, and many of them put police in harm’s way and suffer for it. While it would be preferable for no lives to be lose, the safety of police is a priority, as they would not even be in potential danger were they not serving and protecting, and so in many cases it comes down to a choice between an officer and someone else. And make no mistake about it, there are times when an innocent person is harmed by an officer, but this again isn’t limited in any way to African-Americans.
Those who share Mr. Kaepernick’s viewpoint wrongly perceive that African-Americans are under siege on a daily basis by officers with murderous intent, while members of other “races” are safe and sound, and have been so mislead by what has been happening that they now PRESUME INNOCENCE for ANY African-American who is shot by a police officer, no matter how damning the circumstances for the “victim”. No amount of bending over backwards to use mostly irrelevant background facts will ever create a suitable justification for that attitude.
Dro, so tired of people like you bringing up that 8 year old statement by Michelle Obama. Maybe if you were a Black woman, being raised in this country at the time that she was, you might be able to have some recognition of what she was saying. Who in the hell do you think was embarrassed by her statement? Not us.
Blessings flow Dro.
You are doing the same very thing you are asking others not to do, and that is, changing or, attempting to change the SBB as it was written then, to only value the first verse. Dro, the whole song is the National Anthem, if you want to only recognise the first verse, then do you only, don’t try to impose you part recognition on others.
You know what, i now want to own what you bought for yourself, in your life time, you bought them for a reason but, now, in 2016, i shall redefine why you bought them, and i shall now own them. Clearly you would never agree to that but, you now want to take someone else’s property (SSB) and make it say what you want. Hey Dro, ask permission first, go ask the author of the song for permission to only make verse 1 matter.
I am shocked at the lack of history knowledge on this page, especially by so call black people. No matter how you look at it people, nothing before the 14th amendment was done for you, NOTHING, you can’t change that and, what is retroactive, is either clear in words or, by Court decision.
I agree with you however that, Colin’s rebellion has nothing to do with why or who wrote the SBB, all he knows is that, no real effort is being made to address the obvious and he will not stand.
Now, the most annoying and gross hypocritical issue here is, those so call “LAW ABIDING CITIZENS” who has no respect for the SUPREME LAW of the land, which gives Colin the right under the 14th amendment to either sit or stand, doesn’t respect the fact that Colin is not breaking the law, he is actually utilising
Hi Dro,
I just lost an entire correspondence i was sending to you, i am furious because i really wanted you grasp how silly you sound, anyway, i will make this short.
You don’t own the rights to the SBB, you don’t get to change what it mean or, why it was written or, to whom it was written for. You now want to only acknowledge the 1st verse, all else doesn’t matter ? If this is where your mind is at, then you are a classic example of what is seriously wrong with the state of mind of the USA society.
Dro, the author owned people, who we call SLAVES, who are really victims of a crime, KIDNAPPING. So he died a criminal, the Chief Justice in the Dredd Scott case, same thing. The SSB doesn’t incorporate anything to do with so call black people, living in the USA who came as SLAVES or, their descendants (meaning, they were so call black people living there already before this thing called SLAVERY) , they were not recognised as human, which filtered down to the so call black people who were already living in the Colonies before this thing we call SLAVERY.
Colin doesn’t need approval from you to make an ethical and or, moral stand. He hasn’t broken the law, in fact, he is exercising the essence of the SUPREME LAW, the CONSTITUTION, which gives him the right to express himself without breaking Natural or, Statutory Law.
Shame on you Dro, the law abiding Citizen, who wants people to respect his decisions but, has no respect for another person’s actions, that don’t break the law.
Patriotism – to be proud of your country because you’re too stupid to accomplish anything by yourself.
War of aggression? You might consider doing research before writing your dribble. The war of 1812 was over trade restrictions from the English during their war with France and the enslavement of merchant sailors to fight against France.
It is rather unsettling to see such extreme negative feelings by some just because they may not agree with the interpretation of the language in the anthem and no one is spared! Sad, sad, sad…
https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/770469594146435072
So we’ve appropriated the appropriate part of the poem as a national anthem. We’re not going to change it at this point – it’s called eating the worm off of the hook, and it’s what we (US) do very well. We’ve adapted what wAs, into a better what iS. OK we have a ways to go… let’s get busy.
Is there still racism (individual and institutional)? Yes – Hell YES! 60 years ago was a black (or woman) POTUS even thinkable? NO! Progress. Damnable racism (and other isms), is (are) being exposed, and I laud Kaepernick for taking a stand, but we aRe making some headway… so let’s not do a baby/bathwater thing – that’s like a Trump supporter attitude – just keep the pressure on.
While it may be true that England welcomed all who would fight at their side (including blacks) against the pesky Americans, I don’t believe their motives were as “pure” as you portray them. England didn’t abolish slavery in their own country till 1833. It could quite logically be they welcomed slaves from the Americas simply because it would hurt the the country financially and it would save at least some of their own countrymen from death. It is also quite possible and probable that the “slaves” referred to in the verse you cited were Englands own! Whatever we look at we must take the time to examine all the facts to try and discover the agenda behind the story, what’s yours???
I agree with Dave, as we get our history lessons from the writings of the men (women) that lived the period. All the while we must realise, and take into consideration that they are the perceptions of the very very few (of the era) that were capable of writing to document the events of the times. By no means am I suggesting that they weren’t depicting mostly truths. But one must be cautious believing everything ever written. There are two sides to every story. IMHO a lot of our history was propaganda spewed by the press. Just like it is today. Has anyone here ever sat in on a circle of people where one person whispers a sentence into the ear of the person to his right, and by the time it gets back to the originator it is completely different.? eg. Our history or the Bible. Heck that darn thing was written 2000 years ago, in 20 different countries, and 40 different languages. But getting back on pointe. We have come along way since 1814, and our flag has evolved into having a very powerful meaning to the100’s of millions that have (do) sacrificed for what it stands for. Our past… Well, “it is what it is” and Mr. Schwarz you seem like a talented writer, but you should use your platform to write articles of unity. Try being a part of the solution not the problem. As for the comment made by Ben Avi about “Trump supporter attitudes” well he can just go EAD.!
Ben Avi;Sounds Israeli.
Do you know of any Jews or Israelis for Trump?
I haven’t seen a one ,so far,but I imagine when he is poised for his landslide,a few will see the light of power.
Bibi is silent,btw.The f*ck.
It’s interesting to read about the distortion of history in an article that distorts it too. The War of 1812 did not, as the author describes, begin with an act of aggression by the US when it invaded Canada. Canada, at the time, was a British colony. The British, in particular the Royal Navy, had taken to stopping US commercial vessels on the open sea, boarding them and impressing US sailors for service in the Royal Navy. Just to dispel any misconceptions, impressing , or “the press” as it was called too, was the compulsory enlistment of persons for military service. You could volunteer and come quietly or be beaten unconscious and wake up a sailor in the Royal Navy, your choice. There was also the ongoing conflict between Britain and France that drove the need for more sailors as well as the trade restrictions imposed by the British and enforced by the Royal Navy that was a true blow to our economy. Then there was the treatment of US sailors from the USS Chesapeake off the coast of Norfolk when the HMS Leopard pursued the USN frigate into US territorial waters, boarded it, removed for USN sailors and accused them of desertion from the RN and subsequently hanged them. The US attacked Canada because it was a British colony that fed the British economy and supported the British war effort against the French which was killing our trade and not to mention the fact that we kinda owed the French for their support in winning our own Revolution. Then too, the insinuation of British altruism in “freeing the slaves” is a little gem of rose colored myopia. The British could not mount a sufficient force to land and sustain itself long term to invade the US. Freeing the slaves to the British meant arming them to fight and die for new masters against their former masters. Yes, the author points out valid facts but the insinuation that the War of 1812 was begun as a war of aggression against peaceful Canada by a bellicose US to which the British responded with justifiable force and altruistically attempted to free the slaves from the oppressive US is revisionist crap.
“The British, in particular the Royal Navy, had taken to stopping US commercial vessels on the open sea, boarding them and impressing US sailors for service in the Royal Navy.”
What kind of commercial ships were those, Chris? Couldn’t have been slave ships involved in the triangular trade, commodities to Europe, manufactured goods to Africa, slaves to Brazil and Cuba, could it have been?
If you read the Congressional record on the 1812 war, it’s like reading the Congressional record on the 2003 Iraq war – in the former case, not a word about slaves; in the latter case, not a word about oil.
LOL…no really LOL
Key was referring to those types of people coming here to the US for freedom which is clear if you read the whole thing in context. There is irony there as he was a slaveholder and his anthem was criticized at the time because he was a slave holder. However, this criticism is more recent as even those that opposed slavery at the time used this passage to point out the hypocrisy. However, they did so with a better understanding of his intent.
Key was a foul person and a slave owner, but this is a little beyond a logical criticism
“righter?” really? I think you need to go back to school. It’s one thing to have bad grammar on a Facebook post and another to have bad grammar in a so called “news” article.
To: CK
WOW! How ironic that you are getting such negative comments about taking a stand for what you believe in. Why is it that there are those that want to tell you (especially a man of color) how you are supposed to act, or show your displeasure, concerns and disagreement about the brutal treatment and killing of our brothers. For those that now want to speak out against you and are adamant about voicing the “freedom and liberties” the American flag is supposed to stand for, I must ask if they are equally committed to using that same vigor in speaking out against the consistent and inhumane treatment of young black men being killed in the streets by those called upon to “serve and protect.” Hasn’t history taught us that “the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good?” I hear you!
For those that want to equate your brave position as contrary to the military men who fought and died for your right to do so, I would remind your critics that Black men served and still serve in the armed forces and they too have given their lives for you to do what you are doing now. On a side note, your critics seem to further forget that our return from American wars unfortunately was met with and continues to be met with the lack of jobs, medical services and support. Perhaps our framework for life, does dictate, if not mandates, a different view of the American flag, in different times in our country’s history. As a black mother, with a black son and a black husband that gave 20(+) years to the United States Air Force, I must commend your public acknowledgement to be the difference. Pioneers are still needed in all aspects of life and how courageous of you to use your platform to bring attention to the egregious act committed on young black men across this country. Don’t stop!
Dr. King once said that the “hottest place in hell is reserved for those that see injustice and do nothing about it.” The daughter of the late Muhammad Ali said that unfortunately they do not make athletes like her father any more that STAND UP against injustice. He is known as the greatest and we know that “a measure of a man is not where he stands in times of comfort and convenience, but in time of conflict and controversy.” So Mr. Kaepernick, take your inspiration from those historical leaders that weren’t afraid. Mahatma Gandhi, said “we must become the change we want to see” and Stan Smith said it this way, “experience tells you what to do, and confidence allows you to do it.” Your confidence is inspiring and sets a new precedent for those in position of power that are not fearful to allow their positions to bring attention to issues that they are passionate about and seek to change them for the better. May more athletes follow your lead and “be the difference.” Thank you for not allowing ‘white’ economics to dictate your personal convictions.
In closing, for those that have elected to burn your jersey, perhaps they should have taken a lesson from those that burned their LeBron James jersey. Coming from the Mile High City of the Super Bowl winning Denver Bronco, I will be purchasing a wearing a #7 Kaepernick jersey. Remember, the quote from William Ward, when he said, that adversity causes some men to break, others to break records.” May your 2016/2017 football season break all records.
God Bless you!
Malissa Murdock
No amount of free speech protection justifies an ignorant opinion, just as free speech doesn’t allow for yelling “fire” when there is not one present.
Mr. Kaepernick is taking a stand against something that has become painfully distorted. He has been tricked into thinking that African Americans have fallen under siege by police, and that they are victims of police violence at a grossly excessive rate. They are not. It certainly is fair to question police violence in general, but the focus on just the African American community (which had led to an immediate presumption of innocence for ANY and ALL African Americans shot by police officers, which is ridiculous) when it comes to police violence is unfair and motivated by racism.
On top of that, even if Mr. Kaepernick’s stand were a fair one (it is not), it does not justify demonizing this entire nation. All nations contribute to good and bad, and no nation is even close to perfect. Painting the U.S. in such a negative light is simply unfair, like getting on Mother Theresa for not giving enough money away to charity. And so it IS fair for Americans, who understand the net great good of this nation, to frown on Mr. Kaepernick for his unfair treatment of his and their country.
The British also had a habit of using more non-enlisted British that enlisted. So most of the fights against Britain would be non-British personnel. It was common practice by the British to the point it pissed of the US during the Revolution and French-Indian War. The British always used a large amount of other people to fight their war. So it could of just been referring to the mercenaries and volunteer and/or impressed slaves.
Couldn’t it also have referred to mercenaries and impressed soldiers and volunteer slaves who went to the British side? In other words, any pro-British combatants? Even if Key supported slavery, that doesn’t mean it couldn’t of meant all kinds of British combatants.
Also you are misreading the entire verse. “From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave” refers to the fact that Washington DC was burned. Why would you celebrate your HIRELING (employee) being killed? Nothing about it is celebration. He was merely stating that the British were attacking everyone and everything. It wasn’t just American military personal being attacked nor politicians. It was the hired staff and slaves in DC as well.
*DC=Baltimore/Fort McHenry. DC was burned during the war too.
How is the War of 1812 a war of aggression by the US? The British thought they could force our citizens into their military. The US had to attack something that was British in order to defend itself. Canada was part of Britain and was backing Britain.
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner
There is no place for politicking during my restful Sunday afternoon NFL games. There is enough 24/7 Monday thru Friday. Please. I would encourage the NFL to put a stop to these type shenanigans; it may be sorry in the near future, if it does not. First, it is “hands up; don’t shoot” , then, “I can’t breathe” and now, racism, “I won’t stand”. How many jobs do you believe you could violate the company’s policy and procedure and boycotting a political issue, i.e., refusing to attend company meetings, when you are paid millions, upon millions of dollars??? I believe you may be replaced; it has no place in your contract job.
I remember when their was journalism, really good journalism. Now we have to subject ourselves to individuals like Jon Schwarz. Not sure what is education is but I’m dumber for having wasted two minutes reading this garbage. Good job Jon. When you are looking around in 20 years and you don’t recognize this country anymore and the freedom ( like the press) is gone you will then understand why you were part of the problem. It will be too late by then, so thank you in advance for your ignorance its gonna cost my kids and grandkids a great future!
In my 75 yrs. of life in this world ,I have learned one thing any endeavor , run by man is full of hipocracy and greed. If ant of you would take the time to study some human history, you would understand , its an inbred thing to treat each other as garbage. Just look at the news every day.
It’s not in the national anthem anymore.
The updated version is OUR national anthem now and has been for alooooong time now. Which is the one that was sang. Which is the one he sat out on.
I don’t know what him doing that is going to change for the better? In fact, it adds more fuel to the fire and the “blacks” are going to get more angry and the divide will thicken. With all these headlines and people making this more of a problem then it really is and bringing more and more media attention will do nothing but cause more angry, negativity and problems.
I’m going to stand for the National Anthem because I love America. It’s my country and I think it’s really sad that people seem to hate their country these days. It’s got flaws, but so does every country. There is a reason people keep immigrating here, including black people from the Caribbean and Africa. I am not white and I have experienced discrimination, but most people are not racist. If you have a positive attitude and treat people with respect, most people here in America will treat you with respect. If you go to places like China or the Arab world as a black person, it’s very different, the racism is blatant.
All that being said – we should change our national anthem to America the Beautiful or My Country ‘Tis of Thee. Even the Battle Hymn of the Republic, which celebrates the righteous cause of eradicating slavery would have been a better choice!
Woodrow Wilson chose the current national anthem. He was also a notorious bigot. He was also a Democrat…
I go with Rally Round the Flags Boys,but I don’t think our Southern citizens would like it.
But it does have modern currency,with the Down with the Traitors line.
Or is it the Battle Cry of Freedom??
So how come you’re ignoring the term hireling? In that time, it did include white people. You did do a good job of illustrating how Francis Scott Key was a racist, but every white man during that time period was a racist; however, that does not mean everything they wrote was driven by racial hatred. You seem to be solely focused on the fact that he was a racist, which clouds other interpretations. For example, when the lyrics of the entire song are read together, it hardly seems as though he is happy that slaves died, but he is rather proud of the sacrifices of the slaves and hirelings who couldn’t be saved. In other words, he writes that the banner is able to triumphantly wave because of the sacrifices of the slaves; their deaths aren’t what make the occasion “triumphant.” We write songs similarly today when we acknowledge our military’s sacrifices.
But what do I know? I’ve only been studying literature and the English language for most of my life.
A real stretch, a reference to a battle where slaves were on the other side. The irony of all this is that if you gave me the choice of being a born a black slave in America back in the day or being born in Africa during the same period, I would take the slave life. Then, like now, blacks were much better off here than they were across the pond. I say if all these blacks are so oppressed, they are welcome to return to their homeland (it would certainly make life in the US much safer). I, for one, will stay here.
Is this author stupid or something? I’ve read for 30 seconds and he already writes like a 7th grader. “Righter than you know…” Cmon man. Righter? Also war of 1812 was for the Brits to retake America, not colonies taking Canada from GB, which was controlled by the French anyways. Also If you read the stanza before the one you quoted because it has your favorite trigger word, you would see Francis is implying the American people were the slaves to the British Empire.
I’m not gonna read the rest, you have no validating reason why I should. Hope writing is your hobby, because you’re probably not gonna make very much doing this.
You should really do more research. I recommend you looking at the breakdown of the Star Spangled Banner lyrics piece by piece by actual Historians. The referenced 3rd verse that this article speaks of is “And where is that band who so vauntingly swore That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!” He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked. But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British. “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence. The slaves that it talks about is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812. Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity.
This article is totally off its rocker. The National Anthem, or The Star Spangled Banner, was about when Francis Scott key agreed to join a prisoner trade between the Americans and the British. Key and several other representatives then sailed out to a British ship to discuss the terms, from Fort McHenry in Baltimore. When they boarded the ship, they were taken into custody and shown a whole fleet of British ships. The British then told them they would fire upon the fort until the flag was taken down. At about midnight, Francis Scott Key was watching when the whole fleet opened fire at the fort. The Star Spangled Banner Lyrics, ARE ALL OLD ENGLISH. Meaning some of the words are metaphorical, and some are literal. BUT ALL the words refer to the onslaught of cannon fire from the British fleet hitting Fort McHenry. Do some actual research before you post a stupid article like this one.
Right on Mike!!!
Admittedly nitpicking, but it’s hard not to question YOUR research and/or understanding of the topic when you say that a poem written in the early 19th century is “OLD ENGLISH” — Old English hadn’t been spoken for nearly 800 years by that point :) I don’t see how the type of English they were employing (it was modern, btw) changes anything.
Dear writing hack,.. you won, I read your article, gave you a click through, and you got paid off of my stupidity of getting poked by your incredibly ignorant and racially instigating comments– apparently from someone who literally is a POS self entitled stoner baby. FYI my family came from Creek and Cherokee NATIVE Americans and I still say you are on serious drugs, and have no concept of the opportunities given to you by the men and women who did make those fights for liberty both in the past and present. What have you ever sacrificed personally to be able to write some trash like this? The “freedom fighters” as you call them were fighting a WAR,… and slaves, Brits, Hessians, and whomever else was on the other side was an enemy COMBATANT. I wonder if you would say the same if the same logic was applied to Jews who escaped Germany and then served to fight,… they were “murderers” and not”freedom fighters”? No– they were fighting a war,..and the other side was enemy combatants– kill them or be killed,.. win or lose– thats it. Get another life hack,…smoke some more drugs– and let your own true bigotry come out–
the u.s. military stopped the spread of fascism in ww2. not sure saluting a flag is especially anti-fascist
no american war since has had anything to do with freedom
people have died for colin kaepernick’s human rights, but they weren’t soldiers. they were civil rights martyrs
being of native american descent doesn’t imbue your lame ad hominems with greater rhetorical value. it just makes your worship of the flag dumber
It does put “land of the free” in a different context, when you realize they are singing about their victory over their own escaped slaves
They’ve got military bands at the American football games, fighter jet flyovers at the superbowl, and now, what? They’re upset that someone isn’t saluting a song that celebrates the victory of slavery? Kind of hilarious….the cherry picking of when you can and when you can’t bring politics into football.
You also see DOD ads at skateboarding (and I think snowboarding too) events. But I don’t know if the national anthem is played at those… certainly no jet flyovers.
U.S. taxpayers should not be paying for this; military recruitment is trickery in all ages. And it was trickery when they offered it to the blacks of 1812.
Prior to WWII in the US, the military was viewed w/ suspect. And rightfully so. It’s true George Mason patriotism.
sitting @ 1384 -> 1385
Don’t like the homeland protected, huh? So sorry, but I do, because I love my children and grandchildren so much.
Hmmmm It wouldn’t matter so much if singing it at sports events weren’t de rigueur, but seeing how Americans are forced to listen to it at public gatherings, there are good arguments for changing the anthem.
In any case it’s pretty obvious why Americans chose to forget those verses.
But at the same time, those claiming that the verses don’t mean what they obviously mean, (probably some of the same people proclaiming the benign symbolism of the confederate flag), …well what can you say.
Here is additional very interesting history about the anthem…..may not be well received, I am afraid….. no pelting with rotten eggs please…. I am not THE historian…
The Anti-Muslim Origins of ‘The Star-Spangled Banner’
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_anti-muslim_origins_of_the_star-spangled_banner_20160830
Thank you for revealing the context of this song!
In addition to the history lesson on US racist imperialism, I found this little gem to be alive and well in current US policy:
“Let the landings you make be more for the protection of the desertion of the Black Population than with a view to any other advantage. … The great point to be attained is the cordial Support of the Black population. With them properly armed & backed with 20,000 British Troops, Mr. Madison will be hurled from his throne.”
The US is still deploying exactly that strategy throughout the world – i.e. arm various factions (racial, ethnic, religious) to divide and conquer and impose an imperial agenda.
That’s the real “lesson” of this historical tale.
Faukner: “The past is never dead. ITts not even past”.
There were slave holders in those days. The British were instrumental in making sure that slavery remained the law in the American colonies. When Ben Franklin and a cohort tried to abolish slavery in the Pennsylvania colony, the King of England vetoed that action. Sorry folks, there were slaves in those days. That is decried now like, hopefully, abortion will be decried in the near future. Things change, hopefully for the better, but they change. America has bar far the biggest mix in races and nationalities mixed into it’s population. It doesn’t always work smoothly.
So, the origin came from a racist, and how many people drive that racism from the first verse today? (none). I submit to you that you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. The very division plaguing this country today is the very disease you are perpetuating with this so-called exercise of free speech. If you yell ‘fire’ in a movie theater, what are the consequences? If you spew these concepts (division along racial lines) into a new generation, what are your consequences? There is not one human being better than another unless the character displays itself so. Everyone hears the first verse, believes in that verse, and has long since grown past the very man who wrote it, not believing in what he stood for. It is time we stop, black, white, young, old, etc., perpetuating the seeds of hatred and division. Education is good, but what is better is wielding it with sound and moral conscience.
First of all, Kaepernick is not oppressed. Nobody is preventing him from doing anything. Secondly, given the fact that there is such an anti-American sentiment among his group of admirers and supporters, what he did was not courageous. And, given the fact that his playing ability has diminished so greatly, this maneuver by him looks calculated to save himself from being cut from the team. He is well overpaid, has no perceptible life skills other than his ability to play football better than the average player, and in his own words is performing this inaction in reaction to a proven lie. Hands up don’t shoot never happened. Lastly, he should travel the world a little bit. When he does, if he pays attention, he will learn that blacks in this country have a far greater standard of living and opportunities for climbing the ladder of success than anywhere else.
Just out of curiosity David, how did you come across this article?
I ask because there are now 1,517 comments here and I’ve never seen that before.
Righter?
you forget to mention the 4th stanza. “O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.””
Truth b Told
I’ve never seen so many anti-American, full of themselves, blowhards on one website since the internet started, and that includes the author of the article. I can’t even believe any of you are actually Americans, I’m just that dumfounded and disgusted. Especially since I gave up 10 years of my life to defend your right to spew this hogwash.
Just out of curiosity David, how did you come across this article?
I ask because there are now 1,512 comments here and I’ve never seen that before.
Just wondering while we’re having history lessons here, do you think his reason for sitting was about the National Anthem? Or was it about: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color…There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”? I don’t see anywhere in his response where it says he’s angry over the United States history or how the anthem was made. Or if it should be changed and or “forgotten” like the pledge of allegiance. Truthfully, all I see is people that have never experience a day of war, in a country that gives more freedom to people anywhere…crying everyday over issues that have nothing to do with them or their families. You have a 28 year old kid, that makes an annual salary of $19,000,000 including a $12,328,766 signing bonus, $61,000,000 guaranteed. Now, it looks like the 49er’s have cancelled his contract and at least half of the NFL and people around this country…hate his guts! My only question to him would be, was it worth it? All the Veterans I have talked to about this have the same feeling I do, which is…instead of showing disrespect for a country, anthem, and an organization that has made you a multi-millionaire and giving you the ear of a lot of people, you could have taken a different route. But, then again that’s age and he’s only 28 years old. I’m also saying that I don’t necessarily disagree with him, I’m just saying that he could have used his fame and wealth in another professional way. This is why people need to THINK before they talk, protest, or even burn a flag. Unless, you’re willing to suffer the consequences just like everyone else. Obviously, he thought as a second string quarterback that was greatly being beat out of his position, he needed to state something this year. Good one youngster, now get off my lawn!
There is one line, which no one sings, and suddenly the Star Spangled Banner has ONE meaning. Not to mention that line is simply referring to the fact no one had refuge from the war that was occurring. It had nothing to do with promoting slavery, and the asshat who wrote this deserves to be smacked. Another ill informed SJW.
See a movie out now written by former U.S. Congressman for Long Island, Robert Mrazek, about a U.S. Congressman from Maine, Charlie Winslip, who wouldn’t stand for the pledge of allegiance : http://www.thecongressmanfilm.com
#thecongressmanfilm #FreedomOfSpeech
Ah Yes Colin Kaepernick, the great racial equality activist of the NFL….. That just last year was fined and penalized for calling another football player a F’in N****R …. I guess we all forgot about that.
He didn’t refuse to stand due to racial inequality but that sure is the trendy excuse to give and people that don’t know anything about his background will jump on board and make him a champion for racial equality having no clue this man is clearly one of the most racist ones in the business.
You’re misinterpretation of OUR National Anthem is as deplorable as Kaepernicks action! The verse to which you refer had to do with the BRITISH that broke away from England and came to the USA – and then fought them here. You’re an IDIOT!
Peep my documentary detailing the history of our Nation’s Anthem, and where Colin K could be coming from:
https://vimeo.com/166881889
So, what I’m reading is the British, who sold Americans slaves in the first place, offered freedom to slaves (that they sold) if they FOUGHT against Americans. The Americans killed them along with the British who were trying to take over America. So by scoring a military victory and killing foreign soldiers and treasonous slaves, Key wrote a song which was adopted as our national anthem and the left wants to now ban the song. Interesting.
Where did you pull that from, your ass???
Protest is patriotic. Always has been, always will be. It is the essence of American “exceptionalism”.
Where did you get this “history”? Its not how the war of 1812 started tho. And the rest of it is just conjecture. And this argument for Colin is like saying “but this murderer killed a guy whose family once did something bad and clearly thats why its ok and what he did it”. There are people falsely calling him out but don’t falsely justify it either. Not with made up history that he almost definitely didn’t have in mind.
More fun facts on Francis Scott Key:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/wheres-debate-francis-scott-keys-slave-holding-legacy-180959550
As far as those who like waving the flag and singing the song consider this quote on patriotism, by Sir Walter Scott:
But patriotism, as it is the fairest, so it is often the most suspicious, mask of other feelings. . .
Such as greed for the fruits of foreign conquest, under the false pretense of protecting others from danger, as Bush demonstrated in Iraq?
Patriotism sounds like a good idea, rooted in notions of self-sacrifice for the protection of others, but it is more often just cover for sleazy behavior – and, as Inazo Notobe said about the Japanese equivalent, Giri,
It has even degenerated into cowardly fear of censure.
Wow, this guy was a real peach.
This story is simply false. A most cursory search for Francis Scott Key, and the quickest glance at his Wikipedia page shows that Key was not the man Mr. Schwarz painted him to be, and the lines in his poem do not mean what this article states they do. I suggest a full retraction.
The author has some good points to make, but they are spoiled by the verifiable fabrication of the story.
Thank you-got the truth that has help keep me free from this country’s ongoing bambozooled
I’ve always felt that America the Beautiful is a far more inspirational for the America I think has been, is, and will be great.
Weirdo right-wingers in droves visiting here for this one thread. They like to talk simultaneously about how the rich white businessmen they admire have earned everything they own through their own gifts, but how rich black quarterbacks have been “given everything by this great country,” a suspiciously socialistic sounding argument that suggests that society actually has something to do with providing the structure that allows for such material success on the part of gifted individuals.
Ridiculing you jokers is like sticking forks in dead shrimp. Keep it coming. Hey while you are here try reading some of the other articles. Maybe you will learn something.
Keep them coming? You didnt even say anything… There was incoherent chatter in there about “weirdo right-wingers” that didnt even make sense. Maybe learn what socialism is and learn how to formulate a thought properly. Maybe you will learn something.
Thanks, Vic.
I once lived in a small tropical country where, according to law, everyone had to stop whatever they were doing and stand at attention as the flag was raised and the anthem played. If you did not, soldiers would aim their guns at you and demand that you show respect.
This actually happened to me once. I wasn’t protesting or trying to show disrespect in any way; I was simply distracted and hadn’t realized the flag-raising was taking place.
It seems like many of the commenters here would be pretty comfortable with that scenario in America. Of course, they would probably say that you shouldn’t have armed soldiers enforcing respect, but would applaud if Kaepernick lost his sponsors or got booted off the team (or even better, booted out of the country!)
Think, “patriots”, about what makes America great. Is it our anthem that makes us great? Is it our flag that makes us great? Or is it our right to fearlessly express our opinions–WHATEVER THEY MAY BE–that sets us apart from much of the rest of the world?
Kaepernick expressed his opinion. He should suffer no consequences what-so-ever for it. If he somehow hurt you feelings with his opinion, well, for Freedom’s sake, you’re gonna have to suck it up.
Great comment. Thinking would indeed be a change of pace for these alleged patriots, who strike me as traitors to all the American values they claim to support.
Hit the nail on the head. Patriotism in “Murica” is now represented by arrogant behavior and an ignorance for truth. Think for yourselves people.
Jon Schwartz is reading into it. Francis Scott Key was not celebrating the deaths of the slaves because they freed themselves, and not because they were slaves, but rather because they were enemies! FIghting with Britain! War is viscous and there is death but this is different than “murder” as the author also suggests. Just another race baiter this author. Another liberal shit stirrer that used to work for Michael Moore.
This is nonsense…here is the meaning of verse 3
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
Please read this. It is way more information and very good to know. I think everyone should understand the song back then was not written to be our national anthem and has changed alot. I`m sure we would not use it if it had not changed. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/29/arts/music/the-star-spangled-banner-has-changed-a-lot-in-200-years.html?_r=0
These lyrics had nothing to do with black American slaves. The “hirelings” in the line is a reference to Hessian (German) mercenaries who fought against us in the revolution. The “slaves” were a reference to (mostly) white Americans who were impressed into the British navy against their will since the British were suffering a manpower shortage in their war against the French (see following link). For the British this was actually a world war since their primary focus was on fighting the French. They didn’t put many resources into fighting in the new world until hostilities with the French had ceased. The impressment of Americans into the British Navy was the primary reason for the war, not the desire to conquer Canada as this author claims. He should learn his history before publishing such race-baiting tripe as this.
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
As to whether or not the author was a racist is besides the point, this song has nothing to do with race.
Stop protesting, start working and stop having so many babies until you can actually afford more than 2. Stop resisting arrest and stop breaking the damn law. Mic drop !
Stop resisting arrest for what? What’s the charge for the arrest being resisted?
This article is really bringing out the brain trust, isn’t it?
Colin has kids? Who are you talking to? Weird comment.
Perfect example of why Colin did what he did. Thanks for that wonderful comment.
So when Key penned “No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,” he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who’d freed themselves.
Wow, Jon…you knew what FSK was thinking and feeling? For everyone else, I recommend readings from ACTUAL historians, not pundits who make their living thinking up garbage like this… Perhaps start with Robin Blackburn’s, The Overthrow of Colonial Slavery…
Can’t believe you wasted so many pixels on hogwash, blatantly false revisionist history.
The reference to ‘slaves’ refers to American/colonial sailors pressed into service by the British.
Sheesh.
Loosely conflating Kaepernick’s statements with a version of The Star-Spangled Banner that is not in use, is not going to dispel racism in America, it will reinforce it or cause it to be ignored. People who claim that racial tensions are unjustly being stroked, can now point to this article to make that case. Will that help prevent a black kid from getting shot during a minor traffic violation? Does this help the rest of the country understand the plight of those in communities or in circumstances that they themselves haven’t personally witnessed or experienced? Or now are they be more apt to dismiss claims of racism, because of articles that stretch associations beyond a point of reasonableness?
Jon you have a tough job. It requires good writing skills, your work is criticized by the most intelligent in the English reading world, you need to have a broad understanding of almost every topic that you write on, you have a lot of homework to do to remain factually correct, the reimbursement may be below your intellectual capacity and the amount of work you put in. Yet for your own sake and the ideals that you care about, try to write your articles to a high standard.
All he did, wittingly or not, was demonstrate that deep vein of prejudice we as a nation both practice and remain ignorant of. Like a tradition we never question. And we only choose to barely notice it when it results in an unarmed black man getting shot.
At worst, we completely pretend it doesn’t exist when will kill thousands of people abroad. Scott’s hatred for blacks 200 years ago shows up every time we go after “those people” on some distant continent.
Eloquent response however the accusation of not being factually correct leaves a lot to be desired as you provided no example.
Kaep sat for a song written by a slaveowner celebrating slaves turned enemy dying.
Sort of like saying the Confederate flag represents a culture when it was designed by an avowed white supremacist, WT Thompson.
Talk about needing to meet higher standards…
I didn’t accuse Jon of “not being factually correct.” I accused him of “conflating Kaepernick’s statements with a version of The Star-Spangled Banner that is not in use” and “stretch[ing] associations beyond a point of reasonableness,” to the ultimate harm of the very cause he is supposedly trying promote (ie. racial/social justice). The mention of being “factually correct” was a general statement about the work that his job as a journalist requires. Part of the ultimate message of, “I know it takes a lot of work but don’t be lazy with your journalism.” As to accuracy of his statements, there are comments (the reasonable ones floating in the sea of absurdity) below that do make valid claims on accuracy, context of Kaepernick’s statement and the historical context of the other information that Jon writes about.
^^THIS
I read this…and I read this…and all I could think of–what is the value of his article? This song was written well over 200 years ago…slavery is long gone…and we are trying to get past racism…and all this did was give reason to make it worse rather than better….yes…it’s horrible what happened in 1812-1814…horrible. I wasn’t taught that in history class–and that’s wrong. However, what VALUE does that do us NOW in this instance? it instigates more HATRED and more bigotry. As a WHITE female–with long blonde hair…I experience prejudice EVERY SINGLE DAY–I live in DC–and so many of the African Americans in this town HATE me. I had a man approach me while I was standing in line waiting for a bus–and he blamed ME for him being HOMELESS…called me a RACIST….and a Donald Trump lover…I was standing between two African American women. He was drunk…but he walked straight up to ME and started to verbally assault me. The Secret Service arrested him…and he said he wouldn’t “forget my face…ever.” I am automatically thought of as a racist…and I’m just STANDING IN LINE waiting for a bus. I told this to a co-worker, and she said, “well, now you know how we’ve felt for over 200 years.” I DIDN’T MAKE YOU FEEL THAT WAY…I want to make a difference. But writing articles like this don’t do anything to promote Peace and Harmony. I want to quote a very SWEET man…”can’t we…can’t we ALL JUST GET ALONG?”
I think I found the solution to your problem…don’t walk around D.C. Seriously though, that is sad to hear. Hopefully we can get to a point where racial animosities aren’t misplaced on people who have nothing to do with them and would like nothing more to do than move past them.
It’s scary that you monkeys are still going to be in charge, because it looks like Hillary is probably going to win. Then we will have a POTUS who has and continues to accept million$ from states that still practice slavery, while ya’ll are beating the dead horse over the 3’rd verse of a 200 year old song.
Good article. However, when writing it is not completely accurate to call one side “killers” when both sides were at war.
Colin Kaepernick OWNS HIS OWN WILL.
But what did Donald Trump just do?
He went stupid and did not speak in greatest apprreciation of Colin’s right to speak his will as Donald speaks his will. He can and we cant!?
Donald Trump just betrayed the American way – i mean WTF! Trump just made my LESSER OF EVILS list. So instead of Donald being a hard working deal making builder of American values, he flops. WTH! I guess he just forgot or never knew how all things are supposed to fit together, from the FOUNDATION ON UP!
way to go, donald! You are now the lesser of 2 evils.
I respectfully disagree with your statement that we need a new national anthem. It is our national anthem. For better or for worse. Not a single one of us were alive when these acts happened. It is a part of our history. The good, the bad and the ugly. Stop trying to guilt people who had nothing to do with the actions of men long dead. Changing our anthem doesn’t change history. Be proud to be an American. Stop trying to re=write history or shame the people that are living now. If you can’t be proud to be an American or can’t be proud of your country please leave. The silent majority will only put up with the non sense for so long. Stop poking the bear.
Seriously? Dude before you write some dribble like this can you at least fact check and open a history book. You’ll look a lot less deplorable.
The verse referred to is not an insult to black people or even to American slaves. The British Army almost exclusively used Hessian (German) mercenaries to fight the War of 1812. In rare instances they used units comprised of escaped bondsmen or freeman (but for the purposes- mercenary) African-American troops, as well. The words “hirelings and slaves” is a dismissive reference to the British forces as a whole- not to any individual black unit. And to wish an invading army “the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave” and to use violent imagery in the midst of war is perfectly understandable- especially after they just burned and looted down your country’s capital to the ground (Washington DC) and beat you in battle and have imprisoned you.
19th century content being view by 21st century people. It would be impossible to deduce any content as ridiculous as that in our minds, because we did NOT live then. Any writing from that time. or history would still be impossible to dissect with the CURRENT mindset.
Oh say can you see,
the im-mor-al-ity?
Black lives that are lost,
at such a high cost,…
colin is an idiot and an example of what happens when you take the actual facts of history out of lessons and replace them with b.s. Obviously Colin has no idea what the National Anthem really means or what our forefathers meant when they led the US to freedom and to not be enslaved by others’ bias’ and prejudices. The line in the Anthem is talking about finding freedom from being bound by a government that does not care for you or help you and takes money from you to make their coffers richer and the people have no voice. Just because the word “slave” was used, it does not mean it was celebrating slavery or talking about slavery within the US – it meant we would not be a slave to another country or government . Maybe Colin should go back to school and learn something from someone who actually understands the Constitution and the foundation that this Country was built on. Wow – IDIOT!!!!!! I will never support Colin or any football team he plays on – EVER!
And YET …. The ‘Blacks’ Are STILL Voting ‘Democrat’ !!!! … Amazing !!!! THIS Time ….. LET’S Get ‘The Rest Of The Story’ From Dinesh D’Souza’s “Hillary’s America” The Democrats Go From Being ‘Literal’ Slave-Owners & Mass-Murderers Of MY Ancestors (The Native Americans), To Being ‘Ideological’ Slave-Owners (Democrats ‘OWN’ The Black Vote- ;) .. ) — As Hillary So Famously ‘COOED’ Over The Grand-Cyclops Of The KKK -Robert Byrd From West Virginia, Because Of His ‘MENTOR-SHIP’ … But Be THAT As It Is, I DON’T See How Another Civil-War Is Going To Help America …. IF The Nation Is Allowed To Keep Moving Into Socialist-Liberal Governance …. The FIGHT Is On !!!!
I never stood up for the flag my ancestors were forced to serve another race my mother couldn’t drink out of a white water fountain my great great great grandparents were hung and castrated the crime being brown skin so how could this be a land of the free when one race subjugated another as a piece of property the constitution nor the flag was written with me are my ancestors and it seems to be ok to some they say slavery with a proud tongue and get angry when we keep it in the forefront that stain of bloodshed will never be erased but will continue to carry on to each generation i have my family history all way back to the end of slavery 1860 Liddell Plantation, Bryant plantation, Moses Liddell,Senator john McCains family owned the plantation my ancestor were force to live on I am a Liddell my grandfather’s mother side and a Bryant my grandfathers father side I don’t hate but my past will not be shut down I respect your flag but I don’t give homage to an image it has no eyes ears and it has to be carried it can’t speak why would I sing to even though it represents a lie America was a land of the free for my ancestors and boy did they live a story for us to pass own I taught my children they are teaching theirs not to hate but real history of our oppression and distress put on us to serve whites it is what it is let the truth be told. and let history continue to unfold its ugly past.
Um, no. The War of 1812 was not “a war of aggression that began with an attempt by the U.S. to grab Canada from the British Empire.” It began with the British forcibly impressing American citizens into their Navy on the high seas, among other insults.
It’s inaccurate history like this that throws the motives of critics like this into question. It’s as if they’re determined to throw the worst possible light on our history.
I would think the the views on race, slaves and all that from 1812-1814 would not be a real subject to call on to continue division of races, today! There are so many MUCH more important issues than that to really concentrate on. This makes me wonder if Obama paid him to bring this up, now!
The fact remains that, yes those words are in a song that was written 2 CENTURIES AGO! Hardly ANYONE even knows there are more than one verse to the National Anthem! Why doesn’t this gentleman, if that’s what he is go sit on his pity pot and get out of the limelight? Maybe if he got out of the celebrity status and became a real person, he’d find better things to bitch about rather than causing hate and discontent among Americans! This is just another Black Lives Matter-like thing to cause more unrest! ALL LIVES MATTER, even his and of course he has a RIGHT to his opinion, but if HE were to ask 100 people at random if there are more than one verse to the National Anthem, he might find a few that would say yes, but if he asked them to sing more than one verse, I seriously doubt he’d find even one, that could!
What I’m saying is, the he is bring up a problem that REALLY doesn’t exist! White folks don’t know hose words are there so they certainly aren’t promoting racism by proudly singing the only verse they know!
Go find some other, more worthwhile thing to bitch about!
You must have a lot of time on your hands since you have only done research on wikipedia and took your facts from some page altered by a bored seventh grader who also has too much time on his hands. The National Anthem has been treasured by millions who rightfully respect and appreciate this country. Why don’t you take a hike with the 49er quarterback?
You sir are ignorant in the translation of, or purposely choose to twist, this last part of the third verse and it’s meaning. The land of the free and the home of the brave is the one place, only place, where the hireling and slave, including indentured servants which includes all skin colors, white included, received any protection or refuge (even though some were horribly treated here, I grant you that. I’m not saying they were all treated properly so don’t twist this too) and the first country to educate slaves and to eventually banish slavery and indentured servitude.. If it weren’t for this land of the free and home of the brave it is highly likely slavery and indentured servitude would still be common practice to this day in most countries instead of just in some areas of 3rd world countries.
Sorry, the US is hardly a leader in the abolition of slavery. Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline and scroll right down…keep scrolling…keep going…eventually you’ll get to 1863.
SHEILA G SECRIST “the first country to educate slaves and to eventually banish slavery and indentured servitude”… actually:
1811 – Spain abolishes slavery.
1846 – Danish governor abolishes slavery.
1848 – France abolishes slavery.
1858 – Portugal abolishes slavery
13th Amendment of U.S. Constitution follows in 1865 banning slavery…
And if you actually research about slavery in the U.S. Many Southern states imposed BANS on educating slaves. The most common education any slaves received was reading scriptures for the conversion of Christianity.
PLEASE, PLEASE, EDUCATE YOURSELF!
I agree with the message regardless of of how CK choose to excerise his right of free speech. Those how defend the wrong of the star spangled banner by saying the hirelings or slaves deserve that of a traitor would probably not feel that way in regards to those who fought in the civil war! That mindset further proves they are the ones who claim historical heritage when presenting the confederate flag while saying they aren’t racist! I understand no one likes to appear wrong and it’s easier to counter with blame then to address the issue at hand. One thing for sure is deep in your hearts you know the injustice persons of color face normally. And the fear of nonwhites only make you the cowards. This is the country of the Natives not those of any other descent…you should leave. The founders from Britian and other Euro nations are the traitors, who left their home instead of fighting for the rights and injustice they felt in their homeland. For the record my belief is the Earth is all of ours and we should share it. That’s not farfetched! Btw Isreal is the home to our religions and God of Abraham we should support them. Don’t contradict yourselves, it looks foolish to us all!
This is too stupid to comment on.
Two opinions that contradict this and I am not an American history expert – just offering for review:
http://conservativepapers.com/news/2016/08/28/race-baiter-colin-kaepernick-is-wrong-the-national-anthem-is-not-a-celebration-of-slavery/#.V8YJ-WTCNdI.facebook
http://conservativepapers.com/news/2015/12/28/what-the-constitution-really-says-about-race-and-slavery/
Re new Anthem, I’m thinking something by Kanye or Beyoncé. Certainly not Taylor. Maybe Beyoncé, because Kanye might make it a tad too self centered.
But seriously folks, to the extent my opinion as an old (not quite dead–patience, people, patience!) white male has any 21st century standing, this is the first time I have become aware of the third stanza of the National Anthem. I imagine that is true of 99 44/100 percent of my fellow (PC?) Americans of all races, colors, genders, bathroom preferences, and abilities. I am reasonably certain that this remains true of Colin the K. As an aside, based on last season I am equally as sure he will be sitting on the bench throughout most if not all of the games this season, not just during the Anthem.
Again, speaking as someone who identifies as all the triggers of our times, I think that inflammatory disinterments for the sake of clickbait virality are not necessarily the best way to pursue racial harmony in these perilous times.
After all we fought a war at the cost of 600,000 dead to put slavery to rest. Yet history remains what it is.
Nonetheless, I am more than open to at minimum amending the lyrics of our National Anthem to delete the offending verses. We might just as easily lop off everything past “brave” in the first stanza for all the use the rest gets. This will leave untarnished the roar that opens our fine Chicago professional hockey team (which shall remain nameless in this forum for fear of opening yet another can of historical worms).
I am also open to substituting “America the Beautiful” or “My Country ’tis of Thee”, “God Bless America” being theologicaly fraught. There may be royalty issues which should be addressed by Ways and Means. As an Irishman, the fact that the music of the current Anthem was lifted from a British drinking song means that at minimum it should be preceded by a trigger warning, as the British starved my ancestors to death, accounting for my presence in the home of the brave due to their immigration at their own expense.
I highly doubt Kaepernick knows any of this history. He’s merely taking this stance as an attention-seeking device. He’s not the football star he was while kissing his biceps, so now he’s attempting to be traded to another team that will just hand him the starting QB position.
Otherwise, you’re going to have to tell me Kaepernick became aware of the oppression of minorities only recently. What was he thinking 2-3 seasons ago? Oppression was happening then, too.
I nominate “Imagine” by John Lennon as our new national anthem.
Wow, a lot more people have commented on this piece since I did several hours ago (10:05AM on August 30).
I agree with Danny Webb’s recent comment when he said that the Star Spangled Banner “is not a celebration of slavery but of the courage and strength of the American character, the sacrifices of many thousands to secure our freedom and the battle that turned the tide in the war of 1812″. Good point.
If people want to get really fired up about the Founders, race, and American’s current descent into multiculturalism -I would recommend that they check out the 10 page chapter entitled “Multiculturalism: Death of the American People” in the recent book “As America Fades” (available at Amazon). Disclosure: I totally agree with that chapter becasue I am the author!
The “American character” is racist, then? Rhetorical question.
That ship has sailed. Regarding this:
The fiction aisle is here.
Do not call Sacrifice the opression and slavery of any kind of people with the guise of making life for the non-caucasian was not part of the “””has been sacrificed” at the time the parts of the national anthem was written because even the author who penned it shows his true caucasian colors against any non-white with gusto and that is the farse you call sacrifice? that is not sacrifice that is opression and slavery chanted away deceiving the usa- masses and not informing the domestic masses concerning the disgusting facts about a supremacist racist anthem. Look up the characteristics of “””context” and what it means and entails socreates. who is still singing and the land of the free? as such evidence of caucasian genocide against black or any nonwhites who freed themselves cannot be hidden or will you deny the true historial facts of usa history on this point that gives a way the true wicked spirit of many caucasian americans against non-whites or people of color that is those who are not caucasian. As brilliant statesman recently said. “”why don’t you call things by its name?”
By 1833, Key who penned the atrocious anthem/hym became a district attorney for Washington, D.C. As described in a book called Snowstorm in August by former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley, the police were notorious thieves, frequently stealing free blacks’ possessions with impunity. One night, one of the constables tried to attack a woman who escaped and ran away — until she fell off a bridge across the Potomac and drowned, thus, this were the words of key concerning the matter “There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district,” an abolitionist paper wrote. “No fuss or stir was made about it. She was got out of the river, and was buried, and there the matter ended.”
any person who willfully perpetrates genocide that damages the spirit of a democratic republic and undermine the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs and should not be in any kind of public office position and such and let us sing a new song of “what is right” not with our lips while perpetrating “by deception we shall do war and be potus” and where bringing to light the true historical facts that the corrupt establishment has hidden deliberatetly is deemed the patriotic thing to chant while exposing the tyranny of it is considered treasonous. Disgusting is short — Alejandro Grace Ararat.
postscript: it is fallacious that the same caucasians deliberately chanting away the opression and genocide of black slaves and people of any other culture(except caucasians) with impunity ought to be considered the standard for the land of the free and the home of the brave,(nothing of patriotism for all races of color is chanted one penut butter) that just is not unpatriotic in any epoch it is, also, against what is right, treasonous.— Alejandro Grace Ararat.
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The epitomy of chanting away tyranny while under the color of usa-anthem/hymn as someone:) has been sharing it all along: Who is still singing “””and the land of the free”” but the corrupt establishment (puppet elits included) perpetuating it without the true facts of usa-history while dressed in democracy clothing, and not one peanut butter, concerning this matter in any public or private school accross the usa much less peddle abroad by the their lapdog operatives in the media. Disgusting is short. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
……….
No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short and so it goes in the same wicked spirit with the former and original values of the democratic party, a fact too
please change to
Thank You.
woops
any person who willfully perpetrates genocide OR damages the spirit of a democratic republic OR DOES undermine the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs and should not be in any kind of public office position or such….
IT’S BOTH
The benefit to the victors is a lot different than the tragedy to the victims.
Nothing is free.
One man’s gain is another’s loss.
Few trades are equal, and getting less so all the time.
A propagandist is a con who wants to push one side of the transaction without recognising the other side.
Propagandists are predators.
99% of all problems are precipidated by the criminals who own the currency.
” descent into multiculturalism” lol You seem nice.
Number 1: I highly doubt that Colin Kaepernick knew this. Number 2: The National Anthem was written at a time when slavery was both legal and common worldwide. Number 3: The British had the nasty habit of exploiting both the Native Americans and Slaves during the American Revolution and the War of 1812. Right or wrong, the British are the reason that the new American government and citizens felt no sympathy with the Indian. The slaves that had gone over to fight against us were stolen, legal property and Americans were not going to shed any tears over their graves. Number 4: Few Americans know any of the other verses of the Star Spangled Banner. Whenever it is sung or played, it is not a celebration of slavery but of the courage and strength of the American character, the sacrifices of many thousands to secure our freedom and the battle that turned the tide of the War of 1812.
blockquote>“The slaves that had gone over to fight against us were stolen, legal property and Americans were not going to shed any tears over their graves.”
We may not have reached the bottom of the barrel of pickled white assholes, but we’re getting there.
Easy there, Doug. If you find any redeeming value in any of this article you clearly do not know your history and are trying to view what was written two hundred years ago with 21st century eyes. Can’t be done.
You’re a vile creep and a racist asshole. And your lecturing me on the history surrounding these events and issues is proof positive that stupid people are too stupid to know how stupid they are.
Easy there? Not a chance.
Throwing out the race card and spewing vile things are the tactics of a mindless troll. Read your history, keep it in context and keep your foul mouth to yourself. You are a sycophant and a fool.
Salzmann, just like the author, is jewish. It’s not a coincidence that the people screaming racist the loudest are often jews, just like the jewish ADL and SPLC. Jews have an ethnic interest in white americans feeling ashamed of their heritage (like now with national anthem) while Jews celebrate their heritage and success. You seem genuinely smart and honest, read this if you want to know more: https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Critique-Evolutionary-Twentieth-Century-Intellectual/dp/0759672229
LMBO!!
The “Slaves” that Key writes about are NOT what you think it is. The SLAVES that he is referring to are captured sailors and seamen that were captured and impressed by the British to fight against the Colonists.
A very short period of research can go a long way in finding the truth behind the lyrics. Stop swallowing the narrative, and the false reporting by the author.
Additionally, it was not the murder of African-Americans but the killing of legitimate combatants in a war against us.
We also killed our white neighbors, known as Tories who were loyal to the British crown.
Danny Webb is such an idiot that he can in the same breath say that “we” (living now) can’t judge a 19th C document AND he can use the word “We” to refer to the 19th C. Americans who fought the war.
Hey Danny, you can’t have it both ways. Personally, I’d say it was a “they,” not a “we,” and I don’t want “their” stupid jingoistic anthem played before every sporting even in the nation.
Vic Perry, we certainly can have it both ways. We can know what the founders intended by reading their words. Not only in the founding documents but in all of the writings that led up to them and the writings that inspired them. We can know what was the norm at the time as well as what was legal and accepted. We also know that the founders were wise enough to know that although slavery was in their minds wrong at the time of the founding that they knew they would not be able to get the Declaration through the ratification process of all 13 colonies if they banned slavery. But they gave us an out by allowing for the amendment process to right the original wrong. You and your ilk know nothing of the sacrifices made by previous generations nor of those made by todays. You “milk” all you can without offering anything but criticisms and rants. I say “we” and not “they” because I am a 32 year veteran and know their sacrifice because I have lived it and so have my ancestors. Undoubtedly, your’s too, most likely, if you knew your own history and had an appreciation for them. I know my ancestors who fought, on both sides, btw and the sacrifices made. I am proud of them all and will not tolerate their denigration from anyone. A case can be made for the replacement of the National Anthem because of its difficult notes to reach. However, many of the classic symphonies from the masters are also difficult. We don’t change them because of that. If the singing of the National Anthem requires exceptional talent to be sung properly, it is thus so.
What a mishmash. You’ve got the Constitution, a dumb song that has been turned into this ritualistic observance so that we all know not to get out of line, and your illustrious 32-year military career — and it’s all mixed up into one big meaningless jumble.
You know perfectly well that various other people with long military careers do not blindly support the perpetuation of outdated, fake patriotic gestures even though they too have had long military careers, but you couldn’t care less. It’s just something you throw out there as if it somehow wins an argument.
You can’t competently defend the point you made earlier because it would be too hard for you to focus that long.
You and all the other blind jingos are in over your head at this site.
That idiot does not know this fact, as he doesnt know that the Castro Tshirt he wears is a symbol of black oppresion. IDIOT! However, he doesnt dislike America paying him millions just to play, while many blacks have to survive with 8.00 /hr.
Do not call Sacrifice the opression and slavery of any kind of people with the guise of making life for the non-caucasian was not part of the “””has been sacrificed” at the time the parts of the national anthem was written because even the author who penned it shows his true caucasian colors against any non-white with gusto and that is the farse you call sacrifice? that is not sacrifice that is opression and slavery chanted away deceiving the usa- masses and not informing the domestic masses concerning the disgusting facts about a supremacist racist anthem. Look up the characteristics of “””context” and what it means and entails socreates. who is still singing and the land of the free? as such evidence of caucasian genocide against black or any nonwhites who freed themselves cannot be hidden or will you deny the true historial facts of usa history on this point that gives a way the true wicked spirit of many caucasian americans against non-whites or people of color that is those who are not caucasian. As brilliant statesman recently said. “”why don’t you call things by its name?”
By 1833, Key who penned the atrocious anthem/hym became a district attorney for Washington, D.C. As described in a book called Snowstorm in August by former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley, the police were notorious thieves, frequently stealing free blacks’ possessions with impunity. One night, one of the constables tried to attack a woman who escaped and ran away — until she fell off a bridge across the Potomac and drowned, thus, this were the words of key concerning the matter “There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district,” an abolitionist paper wrote. “No fuss or stir was made about it. She was got out of the river, and was buried, and there the matter ended.”
any person who willfully perpetrates genocide that damages the spirit of a democratic republic and undermine the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs and should not be in any kind of public office position and such and let us sing a new song of “what is right” not with our lips while perpetrating “by deception we shall do war and be potus” and where bringing to light the true historical facts that the corrupt establishment has hidden deliberatetly is deemed the patriotic thing to chant while exposing the tyranny of it is considered treasonous. Disgusting is short — Alejandro Grace Ararat.
postscript: it is fallacious that the same caucasians deliberately chanting away the opression and genocide of black slaves and people of any other culture(except caucasians) with impunity ought to be considered the standard for the land of the free and the home of the brave,(nothing of patriotism for all races of color is chanted one penut butter) that just is not unpatriotic in any epoch it is, also, against what is right, treasonous.— Alejandro Grace Ararat.
____________________________________________________________
The epitomy of chanting away tyranny while under the color of usa-anthem/hymn as someone:) has been sharing it all along: Who is still singing “””and the land of the free”” but the corrupt establishment (puppet elits included) perpetuating it without the true facts of usa-history while dressed in democracy clothing, and not one peanut butter, concerning this matter in any public or private school accross the usa much less peddle abroad by the their lapdog operatives in the media. Disgusting is short. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
……….
No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short and so it goes in the same wicked spirit with the former and original values of the democratic party, a fact too
@Danny Webb
1. you are presumptuous to a fault by expressing a willingness to condemn someone
2. Legal is on Par with evil and you sound like a friend of Uncle Lucifer.
3. WTF?
4.your reliance on a cover story is pathetic and…. pretty ignorant given the availablity of information for the past 15 to 20 years!!
Always hard to see the truth one’s head up one’s ass.
So you’re arguing it isn’t the fault of (White) Americans that they treated Native Americans and African-Americans so bad. Instead the blame is to be laid at the feet of their “nasty” British forebears.
By that yardstick I take it then that should your son or daughter rob a bank or murder somebody it will not be them who will be arrested but yourself. As their forebear you will bear the blame (and therefore should go to jail or be sent to the electric chair), not them.
Not that you will necessarily wind up there because, naturally, you yourself will able to argue: “It weren’t my fault, Your Honour. It was my British forebears who bear the blame. I am an innocent victim of their perfidy.
Taken to its logical conclusion no (White) American can ever be convicted of any crime in the U.S. of A.–because they can always lay the blame at the feet of the British.
One further point. Your argument is not exactly new. It is basically a variant of the argument put by the lawyers of the defendant in the infamous “Affluenza” case in which a young privileged White male with wealthy parents got away with manslaughter by blaming his action on his upbringing.
Apparently in America White people are not disposed to take the blame for ANYthing. It is always somebody else’s fault.
Very well said.
My opinion only. Colin Kaepernick was not dissecting the wording of the national anthem when he protested. He was protesting the inequalities in how the majority of minorities are treated. The national anthem could be “We Are the World” and he would still protest the inequalities. We all know that there are inequalities in the justice system and to say that there are no inequalities is lying to yourself. I’m not talking about which race commits the most crimes. I’m referring to the fact that nonwhites are given harsher punishments for the same crimes committed by white people. I am not blaming white citizens for this inequality. This is a problem with the government system that must he fixed.
Agreed!
Inequalities? Are you serious? The guys got a six year 114,000,000 contract to play ball. As far as inequality in the judicial system poor whites get harsher treatment than rich whites. More Blacks are arrested because they commit more of the crimes and overwhelmingly against each other. Colin needs to get a grip and realize how much better he has it than 90% of the Americans in the country.
The line “No refuge could save the hireling and slave” was in reference to the British Navy enslaving American men to serve aboard their vessels, a popular trend in the 16th and 17th centuries, as well as one of the biggest causes of WW2
I definitely need better drugs.
So Key is boasting that America was not able to save the Americans impressed onto British ships, since America was the one sinking them?
And you know this how? Were you there? If so, you are getting along in years, and I probably do not know that I could trust your memory as memory does seem to deteriorate as we age. Nice try though!
This man is an embarrassment. This country has given him everything. He could go nowhere else to find his pot of gold. Crybaby. He could do so much more for young people, white or black.
Another nice detail: it turns out that, in 1806,
Gosh, how come this isn’t taught as an example of economic theory in high school and college? We’ve got protectionism, market stimulation, capitalism 101 – why so red-faced, Mr. Free Market Economist?
However, the Senators were quite happy to see the African slave trade continue to move human bodies from Africa to Brazil and Cuba, as that encouraged the shipbuilding industry in the North, and meant that American ships carrying cargoes to Europe would be returning to the New World with a profitable cargo of slaves, even if they had to make that passage under the Brazilian flag.
Again, fossil fuels are the perfect analogy. Fossil fuels have replaced human labor (eventually, solar and wind will replace fossil fuels, too); but while the U.S. wants to increase the domestic market in fossil fuels via fracking (see Dakota pipeline protests), and limit dependence on imports, it also wants to continue to profit off the international fossil fuel market, by shipping Saudi oil to Europe and China, for example. A barrel of oil has replaced a slave, otherwise, the business is basically the same.
One other fun historical fact: Madison, in his speech, claims that Native Americans, encouraged by the British, are attacking the United States:
Madison, what a bullshit artist! He sounds just like GW Bush on Iraq’s Saddam, or Obama on Syria’s Assad. Politicians haven’t changed one bit over the years, isn’t that wonderful? He complains about British interdiction of slave-trading vessels in the following terms:
I actually didn’t know much of this history before, other than vague outlines; thanks are due to Jon Schwarz for raising the topic. lol.
P.S. if you want another send-up of Francis Scott Key, the slave-owning racist plantation descendant, see:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/wheres-debate-francis-scott-keys-slave-holding-legacy-180959550/
Now!! I am not going stand to the current national anthem! If I would have ever known this information, I would have never stood. And if any African American’s learn of this information, I would not blame them for not standing!!!!!! We need a new national anthem because the current is garbage!
Perhaps if you would quit putting a modern interpretation to 203 year old poem, you could understand the context in which it was written. But then, it doesn’t seem that we teach history anymore unfortunately.
So a word in the National Anthem sparks another debate about the U.S. slave history. Seems to me that the problem is interpretation. In my opinion, he’s writing about the treason committed by the people who were owned by U.S. citizens. That even they could not bring down that flag.
The institution of slavery is vastly misunderstood and needs to be studied before the country implodes.
I recommend researching The Federal Writers Project from the 1930’s about slavery in the U.S.
Then read about other countries practices of servitude.
Slavery is long gone in the U.S. but people still think it was yesterday.
Those verses were dropped for a reason and if Kaepernick wants to rewrite an anthem for this great nation then let him so I can refuse to rise for it.
Stick to the legitimate facts of history hidden by the corrupt establishment because this was not and still is not taught in school with the legitimate context written in this Intercept-article socrates.
Do not call Sacrifice the opression and slavery of any kind of people with the guise of making life for the non-caucasian was not part of the “””has been sacrificed” at the time the parts of the national anthem was written because even the author who penned it shows his true caucasian colors against any non-white with gusto and that is the farse you call sacrifice? that is not sacrifice that is opression and slavery chanted away deceiving the usa- masses and not informing the domestic masses concerning the disgusting facts about a supremacist racist anthem. Look up the characteristics of “””context” and what it means and entails socreates. who is still singing and the land of the free? as such evidence of caucasian genocide against black or any nonwhites who freed themselves cannot be hidden or will you deny the true historial facts of usa history on this point that gives a way the true wicked spirit of many caucasian americans against non-whites or people of color that is those who are not caucasian. As brilliant statesman recently said. “”why don’t you call things by its name?”
By 1833, Key who penned the atrocious anthem/hym became a district attorney for Washington, D.C. As described in a book called Snowstorm in August by former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley, the police were notorious thieves, frequently stealing free blacks’ possessions with impunity. One night, one of the constables tried to attack a woman who escaped and ran away — until she fell off a bridge across the Potomac and drowned, thus, this were the words of key concerning the matter “There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district,” an abolitionist paper wrote. “No fuss or stir was made about it. She was got out of the river, and was buried, and there the matter ended.”
any person who willfully perpetrates genocide that damages the spirit of a democratic republic and undermine the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs and should not be in any kind of public office position and such and let us sing a new song of “what is right” not with our lips while perpetrating “by deception we shall do war and be potus” and where bringing to light the true historical facts that the corrupt establishment has hidden deliberatetly is deemed the patriotic thing to chant while exposing the tyranny of it is considered treasonous. Disgusting is short — Alejandro Grace Ararat.
postscript: it is fallacious that the same caucasians deliberately chanting away the opression and genocide of black slaves and people of any other culture(except caucasians) with impunity ought to be considered the standard for the land of the free and the home of the brave,(nothing of patriotism for all races of color is chanted one penut butter) that just is not unpatriotic in any epoch it is, also, against what is right, treasonous.— Alejandro Grace Ararat.
____________________________________________________________
The epitomy of chanting away tyranny while under the color of usa-anthem/hymn as someone:) has been sharing it all along: Who is still singing “””and the land of the free”” but the corrupt establishment (puppet elits included) perpetuating it without the true facts of usa-history while dressed in democracy clothing, and not one peanut butter, concerning this matter in any public or private school accross the usa much less peddle abroad by the their lapdog operatives in the media. Disgusting is short. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
……….
No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short and so it goes in the same wicked spirit with the former and original values of the democratic party, a fact too
Very familiar with “The Federal Writer’s Project.” Look, unless you wish to be factual without having conservative ideology sprinkled in to contaminate the facts, I could not care less about what they say about slavery. They have revised history to suit their limited agenda, however here is the problem with that approach: people have a way of finding out the truth. And when people find the truth out, it seems to be a vehicle for setting them free.
You say slavery is long gone in the U.S, and you are vastly correct regarding that assessment; even our current President argues how far the relationship between Blacks and Whites has come, however notwithstanding, this does not mean we have arrived. One only need to observe the racist commentaries related to this topic.
One person argues, “only in this nation could he earn the money he earns, and how dare he,” whilst another argues how he “needs to just shut up.” But do tell me: Why?
What is it about Mr. Kaepernick’s freedom do folks not understand? He – under our constitution – has every right to protest the singing of the National Anthem, as you have of being angered that he does not rise when it is being played. What you cannot do is strip his democratic rights away by coming up with bogus explanations as to why he ought to.
It always has amused me – especially during this most recent electoral cycle – that the man representing the conservative party no less, argues for LESS political correctness, and actually does engage in less PC. But there is a thing called “common decency,” and while I certainly do fail to see what is so indecent about a man’s protestations as such, I do not fail to see the myriad ways in which the current GOP nominee finds to bully those who do not agree with him!
Democracy – the last I looked – happens to be a two-way street!
I’ll assume in your research you ignored the fact that the line in question is refering to the act of Impressment. If Mr. Kaepernick, yourself and most of the other commenters on this garage article would educate yourselves a little more this country would be a much better place.
Exactly!!!
“garage article” is that like a garage band? sounds cool
I read through 40 or so comments. Some good points on both sides. I do think we have enough issues to deal with these days, that adding an abbreviated song (which does remove objectionable lyrics I might add) to the list doesn’t make sense. I also find it interesting that a QB whose game and prospects have more or less gone to shit, decides that this best use of his time.
And the FOURTH verse is another problem altogether…
Yup.
“The land that I live in has God on its side.”
The War of 1812 is pretty fascinating stuff; as are all the lies and misrepresentations about the true causes of it, i.e. the British Navy’s anti-slavery blockade (which, it must be admitted, had many ulterior motives, much like American ‘humanitarian’ interventions in various countries from Vietnam to Iraq to Libya and Syria).
Yes, FSK’s “hireling and slave” appears to apply to mercenary forces hired by the British (such as Swiss mercenaries) as well as to slaves in the United States (over 5,000) who joined the British side, in the wake of southern states passing laws allowing for the breakup of slave families by their owners.
If we bother to look up speeches from the 1812 Congress war declaration, we find that British interference with American-flagged slave ships appears to be an issue:
– 1812 Congressional speech.
There are some mainstream authoritative sources on this, for those unwilling to trust random web sites, even if well-sourced:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/the-transatlantic-slave-trade-and-the-civil-war/
This had to do with the multinational nature of the slave trade, the role of American shipbuilders, and this factor:
This created an international system that worked like modern-day illegal arms dealing; American ships might carry commodities from slave plantations to Britain, manufactured goods to Africa, all under the American flag – and then:
This should really be studied in business school as an example of highly profitable, if ruthless and cutthroat, business practices, in which the federal government plays a critical role in perpetuating the slave trade via international treaties and alliances.
It’s much like the fossil fuel business today, isn’t it? Slaves provided the energy to run agriculture and industry back then; now it’s fossil fuels, but the system of procurement and control is very similar.
Isn’t history fun? Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go find all the BLM people and distribute this information to them as part of a nefarious plot to increase racial tensions and implement world government on behalf of the Illuminati. Ciao!
[What is nepharious is why the usa-governance and the corrupt establishment never wanted the legitimate facts of history to be known and as we speak, still, the legitimate context is not taught in usa-highschools nor usa colleges]
Do not call Sacrifice the opression and slavery of any kind of people with the guise of making life for the non-caucasian was not part of the “””has been sacrificed” at the time the parts of the national anthem was written because even the author who penned it shows his true caucasian colors against any non-white with gusto and that is the farse you call sacrifice? that is not sacrifice that is opression and slavery chanted away deceiving the usa- masses and not informing the domestic masses concerning the disgusting facts about a supremacist racist anthem. Look up the characteristics of “””context” and what it means and entails socreates. who is still singing and the land of the free? as such evidence of caucasian genocide against black or any nonwhites who freed themselves cannot be hidden or will you deny the true historial facts of usa history on this point that gives a way the true wicked spirit of many caucasian americans against non-whites or people of color that is those who are not caucasian. As brilliant statesman recently said. “”why don’t you call things by its name?”
By 1833, Key who penned the atrocious anthem/hym became a district attorney for Washington, D.C. As described in a book called Snowstorm in August by former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley, the police were notorious thieves, frequently stealing free blacks’ possessions with impunity. One night, one of the constables tried to attack a woman who escaped and ran away — until she fell off a bridge across the Potomac and drowned, thus, this were the words of key concerning the matter “There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district,” an abolitionist paper wrote. “No fuss or stir was made about it. She was got out of the river, and was buried, and there the matter ended.”
any person who willfully perpetrates genocide that damages the spirit of a democratic republic and undermine the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs and should not be in any kind of public office position and such and let us sing a new song of “what is right” not with our lips while perpetrating “by deception we shall do war and be potus” and where bringing to light the true historical facts that the corrupt establishment has hidden deliberatetly is deemed the patriotic thing to chant while exposing the tyranny of it is considered treasonous. Disgusting is short — Alejandro Grace Ararat.
postscript: it is fallacious that the same caucasians deliberately chanting away the opression and genocide of black slaves and people of any other culture(except caucasians) with impunity ought to be considered the standard for the land of the free and the home of the brave,(nothing of patriotism for all races of color is chanted one penut butter) that just is not unpatriotic in any epoch it is, also, against what is right, treasonous.— Alejandro Grace Ararat.
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The epitomy of chanting away tyranny while under the color of usa-anthem/hymn as someone:) has been sharing it all along: Who is still singing “””and the land of the free”” but the corrupt establishment (puppet elits included) perpetuating it without the true facts of usa-history while dressed in democracy clothing, and not one peanut butter, concerning this matter in any public or private school accross the usa much less peddle abroad by the their lapdog operatives in the media. Disgusting is short. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
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No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short and so it goes in the same wicked spirit with the former and original values of the democratic party, a fact too
Another piece of true American History uncovered as Don King said yrs ago “Only In America!!!!!!!!!
might been a few bears taking some shits in the woods to..damn!!!! killing bears too..omg!!!!
No if you’re so interested in a Nazi type country were people are forced to salute, why don’t you go find your Nazi country. Here in this country the land of the free, I fought for people’s right to not stand if they don’t want to. I fought for people to have a voice in their dismay of their country. I did not fight for the citizens of this country to have rights, but not allow them to use those rights simply cause I agree with them or not. They’re fighting to make this country better for all, you’re fight for this country to be Nazi Germany, so go there. And even in Germany they LEARNED from their mistakes, that nationalism over respect for citizens was at the detriment of millions.
At this point, the words of the anthem matter not. The flag of the U.S. deserves respect and when accompanied by the national anthem, both should be accorded due respect. You don’t have to agree with what the words mean or don’t mean, but you must respect what it stands for, and it is not bigotry. Mr. Kapernick above all should know that it mostly stands for opportunity. Don’t like it, fine, but respect it, you must.
This comment is really funny. I don’t know why I find this one especially funny but I’d nominate it for the funniest one. I need a theory of why this one makes me laugh more than the others.
Okay, well, why I would give this one comedy honors is the opening sentence (a total surrender) followed by all these “you must!” orders. Tacky seems to have delusions of authority over the readers and indeed over all Americans.
It is funny and an absolute contradiction of what it means to be an American and of what it means to serve in the Armed Forces of America. Notice the word “means” in the previous sentence.
If you swear to uphold and defend something, presumably you understand what it “means”/”stands for” and what it means both to yourself and to society at large.
Some want your deaf, blind, and dumb allegiance.
Actually in America one could claim it is differences that unite; an odd dichotomy.
Not only is this article extremely simplistic regarding the cause of the war, it also ignores Britain’s overall goals in its actions against the United States (and its relationship to the war with France). It also fails to be thorough in its study of the context wording in relation to the immediate context of the military conflict. It fails to notice that Keys nowhere specifies “blacks.” And while slaves in America at the time were black, not all blacks were slaves. There were free blacks in the United States, including blacks that owned slaves. Yes, kidnapping of free blacks did occur. But that is nothing the song touches upon. Clearly, Keys’ reference to hirelings and slaves is to those who joined the British to fight against the United States. Thus, the anthem is in no way aimed at a any particular races. It is, rather, a highly nationalistic song oriented towards the greatness of Keys’ nation, and desire for the defeat of all who come against it.
I have another reason for composing a new national anthem. The one we have is lousy. Hard to sing. Not much meaning for this nation, it sounds awful when singers (all of us) struggle to reach the high notes a most of all it celebrates death of our black citizens. We really do need a new national anthem with new music too.
Yeah, Habanero is hard to sing too….scrap it. Tchaikovsky is too complicated, also….to the trash. Plus I hear that the White House was built with slave labor…tear it down.
“most of all it celebrates death of our black citizens. ” How? What do you think ‘celebrate’ means?? Show your work.
Read the above article, and then go watch this short, 14-minute documentary: What So Proudly We Hail. They “show their work.”
I read the article. Schwarz conflates Kaepernick’s actions with the Key’s poem and the national anthem. He uses a specious argument to interpret the lyrics and justify the critique; and while doing so, casually asserts that people’s opinions are racially (rather than culturally) based. Despite the fact that Key’s lyrics/verses *aren’t* in the national anthem, Schwarz pulls the Key’s quote out of the context of the poem and suggests that Key’s was racist, ipso facto the verse must also be. The article is an ethnocentric and culturally modern critique of something lived/written 200+ years ago – attached to an unrelated non-event in pop culture.
What do -you- think celebrate means?
You didn’t read the article John, you piece of shit.
You like that john? It’s from my ad hominem book I’m writing for you.
No, why would I like that? I’m not a masochist. Who enjoys deflective character assassination?
Any lyrics/verse from a poem or song with pro-slave wording should have never made it into a national anthem. It further shows the hidden/underlying racism in our country. The first verse being used in our anthem is also comparable to the author of this article using the “hireling and slaves” line in context. Picked for purpose!
Where is there “pro” slavery wording in any of the poem???
Also, you know that Key’s 3 other verses aren’t in the national anthem, right??
“It further shows the hidden/underlying” No, it doesn’t do that at all.
“The first verse being used in our anthem is also comparable to the author of this article” -What??????
Why don’t you read the article and find out?
I did…it’s not in there.
What do you think ‘pro’ means?
Sorry, I can’t take it…
* ‘with Key’s poem’
* ‘Key quote’
* ‘Key was’
1st can’t respect a writer that starts off with “righter” in the title.
2nd Kap has said “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color” Kap is too stupid to know what, when, how the anthem was written. Why go off topic and talk about the anthem.
3rd being a legalized citizen. I got news for you Joh Schwarz every country has a messed up past. Japan, Greece, Egypt, whatever country is going to have something negative. UNITED STATES is by far the most understanding, accepting, and has the greatest opportunity to succeed.
in closing. Kap, and Jon go screw yourselves with a football.
Race baiters will find anything they can no matter unworthy to cry racism.
That is NOT a racist statement
Hired soldiers and slave who joined the Brits would not be ae to escape the terror of battle or the prospect of the grave.
HOW’S THAT RACIST!!!!!
My guess is this author would have been with the 2/3rds of the population who didn’t lift a finger to fit for freedom in the late 1700’s. Typical liberal lunacy
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
The slavery refers the the British enslaving the new Americans.
Mr. Kaepernick certainly does have that right. Just a thought here–despite all of the articles and evidence concerning the 3rd verse of the Star Spangled Banner, we don’t sing it anyway. Perhaps someone thought about that a long time ago and decided to leave it out? Most likely, we are not the first to consider that in our age. By the way, I doubt that the NFL quarterback really knows the history, much less cares about it…On live tv several times, his statements validating his protest only consist of the perceived “police brutality” on African Americans and such. He makes the statement that he can’t stand for a country who “Oppresses black people and people of color”…that is a statement referring to the current status of the United States, which is constantly becoming more and more sensible and sensitive when it comes to racism and equality, though, albeit not perfect. Back to the 3rd verse, of which you are saying “Kaepernick is more correct than we know” — all of the negativity associated with it is understandable when you look into the research behind it concerning Francis Scott Key being a slave-owner. His writing of the 3rd verse gives the impression to some that he was taking pleasure in the death of slaves whom the British had recruited to fight against the U.S. with promise of freedom. Yet, it’s all in how you word it/view it. Perhaps all he thought about was that those slaves were now his enemy, and he was glad the enemy was being defeated. After all, there were “slave owners” who didn’t treat their slaves badly–some African-americans loved their life and wrote about it, and referred to their “owners” simply as family. Perhaps Key was himself one of those who, despite “owning” slaves, treated them fairly? I don’t claim to know, just a thought. In addition, people must remember who the first “Slave owners” were…the British. Had they won the war, would they have been good on their promise of Freedom to the slaves they had turned against the U.S.? Personally, I don’t believe so. But either way, I think Mr. Kaepernick ignorant of the fact that all of the police brutality and opression he speaks of happens much less than it is perceived in our age. People are giving him too much credit. If he cared about the scholarly reasons, he would say so.
Dude, knock it off…
he supports it by working for an industry which thrives off of racism & stay in your placeism. NLF takes your tax money to build their billion dollar stadiums..hot tubs, etc… then charge YOU for tickets & $11 beers.. watching cities fight & hate each other over mindless games that never bring us evolutionary lessons & ways to bring us forward.. nope, just keeps us stupid & watching the same thing expecting different results… INSANE
Um, just a slight inaccuracy. The War of 1812 was not a war of aggression by the U.S. to get Canada. Rather, it was a war of liberation from the British who were imposing embargoes and naval blockades to prevent the U.S. From free trade and lower cost goods. The British launched attacks from Canada, so I can see your moronic confusion. So, the entire basis of your theory is flawed. Maybe you should do some academic research before you post ignorant, inflammatory articles. Just a suggestion.
Free trade in slaves, you mean. . .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Africa
Looks like you’re the one who needs to do some academic research, isn’t it? And notice, accurate history is just accurate, it’s not “left-wing” or “anti-American.”
Laughable drivel – that verse is not sung as part of a pre-game celebration; the author of the article is not correct to suggest the War of 1812 started as an American land grab….the primary origins of the War of 1812 was British impressment of US sailors – i.e., enslaving them into the British navy when captured at sea; the “land grab” was American reaction to Indian attacks in the Northwest territory that was launched from Canada; the “hireling and slave” was not a statement, in the song, of the “morality” of slavery, but a statement of fact, the British had captured fleeing American slaves for years and offered them freedom if they joined in the attacks against the Americans. It would be obvious that the furious weapons fire from the HMS Erebus and Meteor representing the rockets red glare would be repelled with American fire that would kill “hireling and slave” that was aboard the British ships. It was not a line to glorify slavery or enshrine in the national anthem (not an anthem but a poem at the time) “slavery” as a primary reason or function of the state. More pseudo history from left wing anti-American nutbags.
The reason “God Bless America” was not selected as the national anthem is because it was written by an immigrant Russian Jew, Irving Berlin.
All one can say to that is 1948 destroyed American Jews allegiance to America,as before then Jews were fully on board the American project of justice and liberty for all,with Berlin,Gershwins,Hollywood moguls and actors all gung ho proud to be a part of our nation.
Since then they’ve mostly deteriorated into Zionist mole traitors,witness the whole MSM,and web full of scribes of division and America hating.
And the fact that much of Americas loss of honor has been because of the support of that wacko state of Israel and wars on her direction and behalf,is a real tolchok to the gulliver.
I appreciate what you are trying to do here Mr. Schwarz, but it is misguided.
The next time you post an inflammatory piece please get the story straight.
Keyes did not write the “Star Spangled Banner”, he penned the poem “Defense of Fort McHenry”
This is a huge fact you conveniently avoided.
He did not write this intending it to be an anthem.
It was a poem, nothing more.
When this poem was considered for our Anthem (adopted on March 4, 1931) only certain words, which became lyrics, were used.
i.e. the first stanza, AND ONLY the first stanza.
Nothing else was adopted, not the second stanza or verse. Not the third or the fourth.
Only the first. Because the remainder of the poem did not apply to the direction the country was trying travel.
So this article has no bearing or relation to what Kaepernick did. Quit trying to fabricate intelligence for Kaep.
He made this about him. He made it about race, magically as his career has tanked, and you (not so cleverly) have poured fuel on an already out of control race war with half truths and false characters. I equate your piece to muck raking.
Good going Schwarz
Wait until “Django Unchained” is referenced in articles when writing about American slavery. Then we will have true reached a state of enlightenment.
NO MORE pledging allegiance to “BOMBS BURSTING IN AIR”!!!! –We have become the “land of the free–” to destroy the earth and all of humanity for the sake of a profit, and “the home–” of its cowardly slaves!!
Americans should be ashamed of their complicit silence in allowing the corporatized murder and rape of all humanity to continue under the guise of “our nation’s first black president”
NEW WORDS FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM:
O say can we see
by the one light in all
our Earth to embrace
at the call of all nations
where our children can play
in a world without war
where we stand hand in hand
in the grace of creation
where the rivers run clean
through the forests of green
where the [nations] stand tall
in the clear skies of [free life]
O say do our hearts sing
for harmony and love forever
on the planet of our birth
blessed with peace on Earth.
(words by Stephen Fiske)
Don’t like our rules and way of life, please leave ! I personally will pay for your one way ticket to the shithole country you think will be so much better than the USA
well said !! hate it when people talk about how we are so bad, yet still living here because they know, there is nothing better
I will take that offer.
I love that!! The old saw so often used as if it’s the brilliant debate stopper! “Uh, you don’t like it, then leave! USA!USA!”
Oh Bam! You won that one, John!
So with your impressive logic, why should she leave, John? She’s just as American as you – maybe you should be the one to leave. No? Don’t like that?
Then knock-off the BD jingoism and realize that, yes, America isn’t perfect. While your at it, have a look around. Guess what? A lot of countries out there actually make America look like a “shithole”.
Take your Canadian driftwood somewhere else.:)
Canada,although multinational and ethnic,does not,or did not have large minorities of permanent poor like America,so racial tensions,and ghettos are not endemic.
You lucked out only because you have a colder climate where slave worker cotton and tobacco was non existent.
The early ethnic composition of Canada was essentially the same as the USA,with more French of course(La),so the only reason slavery didn’t take hold there with the same virulence was because it was unnecessary,so stop the finger pointing.
And you must like US a little,as 90% of you pushovers if it came to shove live within a hundred miles of our northern border.
And with that Ft MacMurray wildfire,I bet the % went up!:)
Ouch, you damned republican devils!!! OK: a lot of my family are Yanks and …except for your beer, I don’t mind a lot of you. We have many problems with racism as well – though I think we Anglos are finally starting to get along with the Francos…most of the time.
However I think you made a mistake – your actually the ones cozying up to our border – which is cool…just don’t get to thinkin’ what you see across the fence belongs to you;-)
I am Indepent,and not a Republican at all,just as Trump is not a troglydite Rethug.
Ideology sucks,and the bird flies with both wings.
In fact my father was a Bellmore NY Democratic pres,and later a host of the Hempstead NY Democrats,housed in our vacant store adjoining his business in 1960.I delivered campaign lit for Kennedy.
These criminals today,the whole bunch of demoncrats.are open traitors to America,with HRC unseemly blow jobbing Israel.
As an American,i could never vote for such a corrupt shameless liar,screwup and enabler as she,the worst candidate for POTUS in American history,and i truly believe a large majority of Americans feel the same,but the zionists don’t.The pos moron thinks that 2% of the vote will push her over the top?
go watch this episode of South Park
Where My Country Gone?
When Garrison goes to Canada
That is what the US would do to Canada
I saw nothing in that poem to critique.
Do you feel threatened it will be adopted?
Relax.it won’t,we’ll keep the one we got.This all manipulation by divide and conquerors.
I can’t hear America the Beautiful,or some other nice poem, by Jimi,it just won’t wash.:)
Kaepernick is exercising his constitutional rights to protest. You’re offended by him exercising his constitutional rights. I believe you’re the one who finds the constitution offensive. Maybe you should buy yourself that one way ticket out.
You are flawed in what you say is the meaning in the third verse of the star spangled banner. The reference to slaves is to the practice of the British to enslave American seamen and “enslave” them to work on British ships. The activity had been going on for a long time and that is one of the reasons America retaliated. Do some more home work before your spew hate with false statements.
Thank you Brian! Jon is obviously your typical liberal that has to make everything about race.
That they wouldn’t be able to escape death or flight is a pretty terrible thing to say about your fellow Americans if that were the meaning. Your explanation makes slim to zero sense, and thus is almost certainly wrong. Good try tho.
Don’t confuse them with facts Brian – it makes their brain hurt if they can’t believe the BS put out by some third-rate writer, as opposed to the words of the author of the song itself.
Boy, howdy! You sure are a livin’ & breathin’ shit disturber, Jon. ;^)
I’m pretty sure we have, below, the deepest pile of stinky, steaming stupidity that has ever been dropped on TI. The hasbarists are at least as offensive, of course, but they aren’t nearly as dumb.
What are the chances that this hateful and ignorant spewing has been spontaneous? If it has been something else. . . who is the organizer in the shadows?
And what is the objective?
Well friend Doug, I speculate it’s an inundation of butthurt white folk, the type who think Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are fonts of genius. The morans who also think the snarl terms “liberal” and “politically correct” disappear unpleasant facts. Wingnuts so far gone they don’t even get that most of us here do not identify as “liberals” and have our own (correct) reasons for disdaining the term.
And of course, there’s just you average Merkin racist, who reads history at a cheesy site for kids and gloms onto it for all it’s worth (nothing).
Yeah, all on target, Mona, but why the inundation of angry whites who, one might suspect, have mostly never even heard of TI?
They didn’t all find the site simultaneously, by chance, did they? And, surely, they didn’t all just happen to show up with the same nonsense from the History for Credulous and Obedient Children site.
Nah. This must have been, at least to some extent, orchestrated.
Well count out the zionists,as they author this type of dividing garbage,as their strength lies in our confusion and division.
That’s why they want no part of Donald Trump.
And we know all the defenders of zion will vote Hell Bitch,like Wolfowitz(let me lick your comb)Goldberg,Krugman,Barnard,Milbank(he stole that last name),that little monster in the wheelchair,whats his name,and all the other dregs of humanity,serial liars all.
America first!
TumblrInAction. It’s a subreddit. Also, please stop the hypocrisy. You point out the stupidity of people disregarding people’s arguments because the person presenting the argument is a “Liberal” or “SJW” and you’re right, that is stupid. Then you proceed to do the same thing to people pointing out the flaws in this articles because they’re “butthurt white people.”
So, Jon Schwartz goes all the back to the battle at Fort McHenry? Jon, do you actually think Colin Kaepernick was seething over the Star Spangled Banner when he promoted his ignorant statements? You also have a narrow view of when the English tried to enlist the help of the slaves. The English used the slaves. In your view, Francis Scott Key was getting satisfaction that slaves would be killed but you weren’t in the boat with him so you wouldn’t know what Key thought. I interpret Key as saying he thought that the Revolutionists would be victorious and that the ‘hirelings ( today’s mercenaries) and slaves would lose in their battle against America’s patriots. In any case , slavery is and was wrong but you have stretched by far ones imagination that the USA is anything like it was 300 hundred years ago.
300 hundred years ago was a really long time ago I have to admit.
Wow… just, wow. That is quite the imagination the writer has- and flexible too! To be able to come to that conclusion from the actual words to the actual song and the actual facts happening at that actual time is breathtaking! And not in a good way… If one actually reads the text in whole, line upon line from where Key stood, there is no possible way to connect those dots the way they were laid out in this story.
The line focused on here is “No refuge could save the hireling and slave/ From the terror of night or the gloom of the grave.” The conclusion the writer comes to is a celebration of the death of slaves- what else could there be?
May I pose a question? Have we forgotten one little insignificant word in this stanza? The word “and” between hireling and slave. It’s not “or”- it’s “and” and hat makes a huge difference in the reading of this tale.
At the time the War of 1812 was underway, the British knew they were outgunned and outmanned again. So they resorted to what they do best- recruit! The promised to pay men to turncoat and fight against the Americans; and freedom to the slaves that defected to the British. Once they became British soldiers, they were also,subject to the same fates that lie ahead for all British that fought in that war- there was no refuge for ANYONE who fought under the British flag: soldier, mercenary, hireling or slave- they would all meet the same fate: defeat. The word “and” puts slaves in the same group as hirelings- the ONLY possible groups to recruit from as the English had the soldiers and brought their own mercenaries, therefore, hireling and slave means essentially the same thing- traitors to America and would be given no quarter as they were seen as traitors! The third stanza of the national anthem is not a celebration of killing slaves. It was a warning to all who opposed America- there will be no refuge found here, no quarter given and no mercy shown- regardless of standing or rank in the new country. To read it differently is to give into an immense imagination that stretches to the breaking point.
To Colin Kapernick- you too are a coward. You base your “protest” on a false premise, that black are unfairly targeted and murdered daily and white are just getting away with it. The facts do not back your theories up. Black on black crime is significantly higher than white on black. Even black on white is higher than white on black crime. And that white police routinely gun down or murder black daily is idiotic at best- absurd at worst! Again, the facts don’t bear that out. But you go ahead and sit while men and women of all color fight for your right to be an ass.
You sir, also have quite and imagination by the way you’ve warped and twisted some historical events! For example, by the way you completely overstated the power of the Crown in Upper Canada to compel people to fight, it seems that you’ve confused 19th Century British North America and the British crown with 20th Century USSR circa 1943! I assure you the defence of Upper Canada was not led by some mercenary brigade, nor conscripts turned-out at bayonet point, but by free men and women defending their homes.
There was indeed shelter, succor, and even grants of free land to those who fought under the British flag. The crown remembered her friends. There were no mercenaries, or slaves – just free men and women who, along with the Loyalists who refused to see their land stolen a second time and stood for their rights against the Yankee invader. Yes, in 1814 your nation, sir, was the aggressor, the invader, the wolf at the door that needed to be stopped.
When America launched her deliberate and ruthless sneak-attack on Upper Canada, the defence was led by 3 allied parties: the First Nations, elements of the British Regular Army, and the militia of Canadian settlers (many of whom were Loyalists – resettled refugees who’d been literally tarred and feathered, stripped of everything they owned, and forced off their farms in America at the end of the revolution). We were at a severe disadvantage in numbers. But with excellent leadership, no small measure of luck, and simple courage we prevailed.
To that I’d also like to add the brave actions of many American soldiers who, realizing that the attack on Upper Canada was not in defence of America, but a war of aggression, bravely refused to cross the boarder to fight.
For an excellent account of the war from our Canadian side, I recommend you read Pierre Burton’s “The Invasion of Canada” and “Flames Across the Border”.
And from a Canadian perspective, your justice system does have a big racism problem that needs to be fixed.
I like to see tough-talking Canadians in action. Americans need to get slapped more often, we’ve gone blood simple.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships).
That makes zero sense, as the lyrics speak to there being no refuge from either flight (from a battle) or death for them. That’s a pretty negative and threatening way to speak of your own countrymen if that were the case; which it clearly isn’t.
The word “righter” should never be used, especially in a headline.. smh.
First of all the phrase, “No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave”, merely speaks to the vulnerability of those without the social position or financial wherewithal to save themselves. It is an historical statement of fact. There is nothing intrinsically bigoted about it. Secondly, few would dispute the significance of slavery or dismiss it as meaningless history. But it IS history and there are other groups and individuals who have also experienced struggle and hardship. The Black experience is not the ONLY American story nor is that story unique in the world. Hundreds of thousands are suffering unspeakable deaths in the name of other forms of government. To pretend the American experiment is not extraordinary as the primary purveyor, ultimate protector and functioning laboratory of liberty and human self-actualization is not only ignorant folly, it is arrogant selfish elitism at it’s most sinister. American nationalism – represented by any symbol, flag or anthem – is the WORLD’S best hope. Spit on it if you must to make your self feel whatever it is it makes you feel – but understand that most of the world thinks you are a laughably sad jack-off.
One question for you volunteer-thought-police: Keeping in mind that the very first act of the CIA was to rescue and recruit Nazis after WWII, how can America’s top-secret government called a democracy when the defining feature of ‘democracy’ is that the people make the final decisions about what the government does?
In other words, what is left to differentiate volunteer-thought-police people like yourself from the minions of Josef Stalin or Hitler who also went around policing everyone’s expression of thought.
The only group that wants to “police thought” are liberals… What do you think “politically-correct” is? It’s controlled and policed expression that if not followed is punished with shame, terminations, expulsions etc.
We hunted nazi’s genius. We employed German engineers who were willing to relocate and be free as well as gainfully employed. Again you are wrong and very stupid !!
Research your facts before insulting someone on-line. Otherwise you look like the idiot. FYI: Google “Operation Paperclip”.
“As World War II ended, the race was on with the Soviet Union to seize as many German scientists as possible in anticipation of the Cold War. ”
“The U-boat carried Dr. Heinz Schlicke, Director of Naval Test Fields at Kiel, and the cargo included plans for the Hs293 glider bomb, V-1 glide bomb (forerunner to cruise missiles), V-2 rocket (forerunner to the SCUD missile), Me262 fighter aircraft (the first combat jet fighter), low observable submarine designs, and lead-lined boxes filled with 1,200 lbs. of uranium oxide, a key ingredient of atomic bombs. Schlicke, who claimed to be an electronic warfare expert, became a prisoner at Ft. Meade, MD.”
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-58-no-3/operation-paperclip-the-secret-intelligence-program-to-bring-nazi-scientists-to-america.html
We wanted scientist for the Soviet Union could get them.
You are an idiot
Flags not worth much if you can’t burn it.
Ooohhh let me guess how many of the following one might expect to find in the comments below:
* Tough guy threats about not standing up at a sporting event?
* Reinterpretation of the slave aspect in the lyrics
* Anonymous trolls beseeching the author to “Get out of MY country!” Which is just wrong on so many levels.
* Veterans of our “defense” department claiming that they have fought for our rights.
* Racists.
* Deniers of American guilt an unrepaid debts to former slaves.
I bet there are at least 4 of the above. Amirite?
Mikey please send the address of all the former slaves that are still alive to Barrack H. Obama and let him know that they are owed. The repayment of any wrong is to right that wrong and not anything more. Former slaves were also offered a boat ride back to Africa of which most turned down. Hence there are no debts owed to anyone. It’s up to each of us to make our way in this or any other land.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
– The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Why on earth would the same threat of flight or death be aimed at both hired mercenaries and our own kidnapped countrymen? Clearly you can make the connection that, much as hirelings were enemy combatants, the “salve” reference must also be about enemies, or else the threat aimed at them is totally absurd. Why would you threaten death to your own captured countrymen? Makes no sense at all.
LIAR! That is not what the National Anthem or the flag stands for. Learn your history. LIAR!
No that’s not what it was about you dumbass
I always thought that America the Beautiful would be a better national anthem. It better tells the story of what this country is supposed to be about. The Star Spangled Banner is a war story along with it’s glorification of slavery. Is a warrior nation the kind of country we aspire to be or do we want the America described in America the Beautiful?
Jackie Robinson on the national anthem
Below a commenter, Janice, wrote:
There is little doubt Robinson would endorse Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the Star Spangled Banner. From Robinson’s autobiography:
Yeah, except you forgot that Martin Luther King’s dream was that we’d one day judge by CONTENT OF CHARACTER!!!! Remember that? Or are you too busy celebrating “our nation’s first black president” to care that he is war-mongering psychopath who serves the billionaire class.
You are wrong again asshole. Obama is half white !
I AM afraid Colin Kaepernick is right.
The key sentence, and yet it is only a part of the conclusion in this revealing article is this:
“…we really need a new national anthem.”
America is no doubt a great nation, but, lest we forget, it’s greatness is derived from slave labour.
You forgot to mention that the British were trying to use the divide and conquer method, like they did in so many of their other colonies. May I remind you of the British Raj in colonial India. Their treatment of subjects in their colonies in Africa, and using Australia as a penal colony. So the British Empire wasn’t much better.
So? What’s your point?
“He did it, too!” is a pretty lame defense. In fact, it always fails.
I haven’t seen British comments,but it is a fair retort to teachers from Canada who throw stones from a glasshouse imperialist British Empire and later Commonwealth nation.
And Zionist Jews,whose prior existence as a nation was a litany of violence and hatred, now the proud possessors of a nightmare nation,and who are destined for the same disastrous ending,throw stones even harder at early 19th century pre-modern men.
Hillaryous.
The playing of the national anthem before a domestic game should go the way of the dodo.
The institutions that really should play it, along with the Pledge of Allegiance, are the NYSE before trading starts every morning and every shareholders’ meeting that takes place in the U.S.
Those folks are the ones who should really be grateful to be living in a country that has allowed them to make so much money – often on the backs of others.
Right on my brotha! Awesome response!
The War of 1812 did not begin by the USA desiring to annex Canada, it began because the British nave was illegally detaining US citizens and forcing them to fight the French. As the war proceeded, no doubt there were plans to invade Canada and perhaps bring it into the union, but it was not the cause of the beginning of the war.
But, he’d have to know that to be right. He didn’t say a word about the song.
Not at all. He had independent but related reasons. Reasons he is right about.
Blah, blah, blah…Your “column” is laden with subjective understandings of “the facts” and your opinion of how people “felt” 200 plus years ago; what a joke. Not enough time in my day to absolutely destroy your “presentation” of history (as you know it) this is funny, too.. As far as the absolute LUNACY of “it would be bizarre to expect African-American players to stand for “The Star-Spangled Banner.” Really? We’re basing this your assessment of how things happened, but, I’ll run an out pattern for the heck of it….. Anymore crazy than Jews driving Mercedes/BMW’s? GROW-UP!! People are calling this mediocre football player out for attempting to revitalize some relevance after a 6 TD and 5 picks season. He is selfish and self-serving—much like this sophomoric tripe you hastily slopped together. Lastly, your Sermon from the Mount is part of a broader media issue that is inflaming racial tensions that don’t need your help.. White people disagreeing with black people doesn’t make them racists–thanks for the generalization though. Colin has the right/freedom to stand-up for whatever his beliefs are. People are questioning the platform from which he is choosing to do so. You have chosen to make it about hate, which, since we are generalizing, it isn’t. It is simply about his being a jerk—which people have the freedom to express equally without being “lectured” through OPINION, by someone from the “media” (said loosely)—which used to be forbidden and unfortunately has become the norm. See you in the funny-papers….maybe. #media-reform
In this era of post constitutional rights, you really have to be a tool to be outraged that anybody doesn’t stand for this tripe.
The Star Spangled Banner would deserve a comparative analysis with La Marseillaise, which had been composed only a couple of decades earlier by Rouget de l’Isle:
Qu’un sang impur abreuve nos sillons…
In the English lyrics:
Let impure blood
Water our furrows
The two newly founded Republics looked a lot at each other in those days, and the war of 1812 also had quite a bit to do with France.
I also find the French hymn’s second strophe interesting:
What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is us they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!
The term “slavery” is surely taken in a broader sense than in the American text, not literally “ownership of one human by another”, but rather indenture in general.
Incidentally, the revolution had abolished slavery, but Napoléon reestablished it in Haïti after his putsch of 18 Brumaire, to the personal benefit of his wife Joséphine de Beauharnais.
How about satire? Did someone ever dare in the US anything like Serge Gainsbourg’s very irreverencious “Aux Armes et cætera“:
According to the English language Wikipedia entry:
The title track is a reggae adaptation of La Marseillaise, the French national anthem. Soon after the song’s first appearance on television on April 1, 1979 (a controversial appearance followed as the recording was perceived by some as an insult to the French Republic), it became a big success. Gainsbourg received death threats upon release of his cover of the French national anthem.[citation needed] One journalist, Michel Droit of Le Figaro criticized the song writing that Gainsbourg was feeding antisemitism by “trying to make money with the national anthem”. Deeply hurt, in turn the singer published a striking reply. Other critics did not like that the original text was truncated, half of the chorus line (including the most military-oriented section of the song) being edited out.
Some years later in 1981, Gainsbourg purchased the original manuscript of “La Marseillaise” at an auction, which was signed by the composer. He then showed critics that his version was, in fact, closer to the original than any other recorded version as the manuscript clearly shows the words “Aux armes et cætera…” for the chorus as author Rouget de l’Isle did not bother writing the full chorus each three times, preferring to shorten it with the word etc..[2]
[…] At a show in Strasbourg, outraged paratroopers showed up in the concert hall and the show was cancelled. Serge Gainsbourg nevertheless came onstage on his own and courageously sang the regular national anthem, stating that he gave “La Marseillaise its original revolutionary meaning back”. The soldiers then sang along with him in a military salute posture. The event was shown on TV news, causing more controversy and sarcasm – and boosting album sales. […]
The Star Spangled Banner would deserve a comparative analysis with La Marseillaise, which had been composed only a couple of decades earlier by Rouget de l’Isle:
Qu’un sang impur abreuve nos sillons…
In the English lyrics:
Let impure blood
Water our furrows
The two newly founded Republics looked a lot at each other in those days, and the war of 1812 also had quite a bit to do with France.
I also find the French hymn’s second strophe interesting:
What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is us they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!
The term “slavery” is surely taken in a broader sense than in the American text, not literally “ownership of one human by another”, but rather indenture in general.
Incidentally, the revolution had abolished slavery, but Napoléon reestablished it in Haïti after his putsch of 18 Brumaire, to the personal benefit of his wife Joséphine de Beauharnais.
How about satire? Did someone ever dare anything like Serge Gainsbourg with his very irreverencious “Aux Armes et cætera“:
According to the English language Wikipedia entry:
The title track is a reggae adaptation of La Marseillaise, the French national anthem. Soon after the song’s first appearance on television on April 1, 1979 (a controversial appearance followed as the recording was perceived by some as an insult to the French Republic), it became a big success. Gainsbourg received death threats upon release of his cover of the French national anthem.[citation needed] One journalist, Michel Droit of Le Figaro criticized the song writing that Gainsbourg was feeding antisemitism by “trying to make money with the national anthem”. Deeply hurt, in turn the singer published a striking reply. Other critics did not like that the original text was truncated, half of the chorus line (including the most military-oriented section of the song) being edited out.
Some years later in 1981, Gainsbourg purchased the original manuscript of “La Marseillaise” at an auction, which was signed by the composer. He then showed critics that his version was, in fact, closer to the original than any other recorded version as the manuscript clearly shows the words “Aux armes et cætera…” for the chorus as author Rouget de l’Isle did not bother writing the full chorus each three times, preferring to shorten it with the word etc..[2]
[…] At a show in Strasbourg, outraged paratroopers showed up in the concert hall and the show was cancelled. Serge Gainsbourg nevertheless came onstage on his own and courageously sang the regular national anthem, stating that he gave “La Marseillaise its original revolutionary meaning back”. The soldiers then sang along with him in a military salute posture. The event was shown on TV news, causing more controversy and sarcasm – and boosting album sales. […]
Great article. Do you live in the United States? You are free to leave now. Isn’t that beautiful? I wish upon you freedom, liberty, along with anarchy and the necessity that you defend yourself, feed and clothe yourself, shelter yourself. You are one of the self shaming hordes of Westerners who pine for the wilderness (I meant to do that) where there is no National heritage nor pride. Where all we are is a collection of flaws. We did bad unto the cruelly wronged slaves. We did even worse to the majestic American Indian. Those of us who have fought for the USA will make it better. Now get the fuck out of my country.
You’re a crybaby whose preferred method of dealing with an uncomfortable truth is projecting your latent fear onto anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
And just what in the hell are yuou talking about with the rant about feeding and clothing himself? You meant what about the wilderness? How much have you had to drink this morning?
Guess what, nitwit, when anyone tries to DISCUSS one of the flaws you attempt to shout down out of existence, you get all defensive and uppity start talking like this is YOUR country. If you “fought for” the USA in any war other than WWII, you’re a fool and hypocrite.
Yeah, yeah…except you’d be crying like the little bitch you really are, if it was YOU who was on the receiving end of being FUCKED ….like most of us are now under “our nation’s first black president,” and much more of us will be if that psychopath, corporate-servant of the billionaire class, Hillary Clinton gets away with another election fraud “win.”
No
You wish upon them liberty, but condemn them when it’s exercised.
Thanks Charlie I Iisten to sports radio WFAN&ESPN(NY)and ppl need to listen to the message not attack the messenger there are white ppl calling in and making outrageous statements saying that majority of slave owners were BLACK PPL I can safely assume they include THOMAS JEFFERSON&GEORGE WASHINGTON among those involved!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your excellence in reporting. I admire Colin’s courage of speaking TRUTH to Power with SILENCE. KUDOS to him.
Except his opinion is NOT based on truth or anything like it. That 3rd stanza was deliberately misread and misinterpreted to make the argument for CK. obviously this article was written by someone who knows nothing about history.
This is for the ignorant few taking sides with this asshole. Obviously you skipped multiple history classes in your wasted life.
https://youtu.be/YaxGNQE5ZLA
I shouldn’t have to point this out, but apparently I do. This is not about the history of the Star Spangled Banner and how it came to be our national anthem. This is about how one respects, or disrespects, one’s country and what it now stands for. I agree that Kaepernick should find another country in which to live that better suits his philosophical views. Good luck to him on that.
Or maybe you should find another country where, unlike the U.S., there is no freedumb of speech, and you can force people to leave – or worse – for disagreeing with you.
Go piss up a rope, jackass. You’re the one who needs to be looking for another country – maybe North Korea.
You don’t own this country, I think you should leave and find a please that’s better for you, perhaps Europe?
I was thinking Mac might find North Korea most congenial.
People: “he should respect the flag and the great country it stands for!”
Same people: “this Confederate flag will look great flying in the bed of my pickup truck
Bull.
Doesn’t the “offensive phrase” refer to the British impressment of Americans to serve as sailors in the British Navy?
British Navy Impressment | History Detectives | PBS
http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/british-navy-impressment/
PBS
Impressment, or “press gang” as it was more commonly known, was recruitment by force. It was a practice that directly affected the U.S. and was even one of the causes of the War of 1812. The British navy consistently suffered manpower shortages due to the low pay and a lack of qualified seamen.
No.
Jon Schwarz’s analysis above is correct. Please see this short (14-minute), excellent documentary: What So Proudly We Hail.
Great article. Do you live in the United States? You are free to leave now. Isn’t that beautiful? I wish upon you freedom, liberty, along with anarchy and the necessity that you defend yourself, feed and clothe yourself, shelter yourself. You are one of the self shaming hordes of Westerners who pine for the wilderness (I meant to do that) where there is no National heritage nor pride. Where all we are is a collection of flaws. We did bad unto the cruelly wronged slaves. We did even worse to the magestic American Indian. Those of us who have fought for the USA will make it better. Now get the fuck out of my country.
So stupid you had to post it twice.
Oh, and by the way it ain’t “your” country, Napoleon.
The following refutes your entire premise: http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
The word “slave” does not refer to American slavery at all.
“The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812″
We don’t need a new national anthem, we need no national anthem at all. Nationalism is a disease that has caused more death than any other disease.
Go vote for the hell bitch and Israel already.sheesh.
Don’t like it here Sally, Leve !!!! You F’ing coward.
Internationalism for zion is killing US.
How did this turn into antisemitic remarks? You goddamn racists. The previous 3 comments only help the point the original poster was making.
dahoit is a virulent antisemitic Trump supporter, along with a few others who infest this place. It’s often necessary to smack them down, as I did in this sub-thread below.
Thank you.
What a childish imbecilic thing to say.
Well put! I think us capable of enjoying the securities our state provides, and participating therein, without requiring ceremonial nationalism.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812 This is from http://m.american-historama.org/…/star-spangled-banner…
What I read is him saying there was nowhere to hide from the bombing, whether you were a slave or an employee of someone. Francis Scott Key was, in fact, a staunch abolitionist, opposed to slavery. As a lawyer, he represented several escaped slaves and helped earn their freedom. I therefore find it almost ludicrous to say the song he wrote while on a mission to try to obtain a truce (contrary to legend he was not a British prisoner) is in any way pro slavery.
Someone will come and scold you for posting that…
Nevertheless, the song does read as if it relishes the fact the hireling and slave were destroyed… would seem that the destruction of the “slave” would be a heartbreaking fact if they were American seamen… no?
Robots don’t read.
That’s a damn good robot; I’m impressed.
I’m wondering now, does Iraq et al see American Troops (both uniformed and merc) on their land as Hessian?
Could Hessians of 18th century made the comment / argument that they were in America out of German national interest or perhaps helping out the British in freeing the blacks from oppressive American regime (regime change)?
Food for thought.
Well spotted Doug – its a Terminator type 5, most probably invented by Mark Fucker Burger, delivering from his algorithm of so called trustworthy news sources. That’s trustworthy in the sense of reliable to deliver the usual corporate propaganda, lies and misinformation.
Another robot post citing the same silliness.
“United States History for Kids”: http://www.american-historama.org
The robots all cite the mobile version. Coincidence?
Well, that’s the feel-good version of American history, sanitized and rewritten to instill patriotism and national pride in children – but not exactly accurate. For example, southern states passed laws that allowed the breakup of slave families; this encouraged slaves to enlist with the British:
Likewise, “the hirelings” refers to groups like this in the 1812 war:
Finally, American-flagged ships were active in the so-called “Triangular trade” which brought slave-produced commodites to Britain, Britain manufactured goods to Africa, and African slaves back to the Caribbean. Interference with this trade by the British Navy was the central reason Congress declared war on Britain in 1812.
Isn’t the real history more interesting (if uglier, and less suited to patriotic narratives) than that syrupy nonsense you read as a child?
P.S. Details on the triangular commodity/goods/slave trade that the U.S. was involved in, even after the 1807 ban on slave imports, through to 1862, when Lincoln banned the construction and fitting of slave ships in Northern shipyards:
http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_43.html
Reminds one of other “free trade” efforts from the 1990s NAFTA to today’s TPP, doesn’t it?
That’s just some cheesey site, and the claim doesn’t even make sense. Why would Key be thrilled that kidnapped American seamen met the “gloom of the grave?”
But your greatest inanity is this:
Key was a slave-owning virulent racist who sought, in every way, to gag, prosecute and even hang abolitionists. He didn’t believe they had free speech, claiming it was “too dangerous” to let them speak. Just go read his Wikipedia entry.
Maybe he meant kidnapped American semen.
Jim, you are correct. All the way through. You obviously did your homework.
Legally it is unlawful to own another person, but in 2016 effectively very little has changed… Blacks are still second class citizens. Latinos aren’t really much higher and despite some small superficial changes we still imprison a massive amount of people for the smallest of offences, thus giving a useable source of very cheap labor to the worst criminal class, the wealthy.
It is my opinion that banking, money, property and wealth are the very source of the violence and misery.
The author is completely wrong in his thought as to what the lyrics in this song mean. The whole song is written from a perspective of being inside the Fort while the British ships bombarded it for days with cannon fire. Many people died, and to the lyrics of this song, Hireling and Slave found no refuge from the blasts. The amazing thing is that no matter how hard the fort was hit, the occupants kept the flag pole up. It would get shot down, but they would risk everything to put it back up. It didn’t matter if you were a soldier citizen, or slave, everyone in there was a target. The author is just wrong here. Colin has a right to say or do as he pleases, but that doesn’t make it right. He is disrespectful and since he is a mixed race child raised by two white parents in the lap of luxury, he epitomizes the exact opposite of what he claims is happening. His life should not exist according to him.
“There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
-Colin Kaepernick
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Since when did Colin Kaepernick become judge and jury? There’s no doubt he would play the role as executioner given the chance.
Colin Kaepernick is a fine tool used by the mainstream press. Sad.
The sad part is that his statement is FACT. Say whatever you want, but it is still true that this is what happens for police involved in a wrongful shooting death. Any denial of this fact is uninformed and dismissive of the truth.
So, are you admitting people are being “executed” by police and Kaerpernick would do the same given a chance? Or are you implying that simply because Kaepernick objects to police disproportionately killing minorities that he would do worse given the chance?
If it’s the former, why are these “executions” tolerable for you? If it’s the latter, what is it about Kaepernick that makes you think he harbors violent intentions?
I think your comment reveals a lot about your feelings concerning race.
Clearly, you haven’t read the Harvard studies on the national data about who is most frequently the victim of police violence.
The study was lead by a black Economist who determined that there is NO racial disproportionality in the killing of PEOPLE by police.
Stop spewing political talking points and look for facts.
But, the data for that study is based on testimonies of police officers and has a very limited dataset.
And from the study, “… that more data would be needed to understand the country as a whole,” and that “This work focused only on what happens once the police have stopped civilians, not on the risk of being stopped at all. Other research has shown that blacks are more likely to be stopped by the police.”
So, not as clear cut as you are making it to be.
Sadly, the U.S. has a genuinely and truly inspired National Anthem already. Unfortunately, you will not be hearing it anytime soon at a ballgame.
The song is “This Land is Your Land” by Woody Guthrie.
I’ve referred to “This Land is Your Land” as our TRUE National Anthem for years because (1) it is an organic, original & inspired tribute to the ideas & ideals that should embody the U.S., and (2) the current anthem is so offensive.
I’m not holding my breath that my wish to hear “This Land is Your Land,” sung with the reverence it deserves and in the place of the Star Spangled Banner, in my lifetime.
For now, I’ll continue to sit on my ass & read the paper until I hear the announcer say PLAY BALL!
You are one ignorant human being if you think they’re ever going to stop singing the national anthem at ballparks. Also, try and sit and ignore that song I front of me. It won’t be pretty.
Ever hear the punk rock version by MDC? (warning: ears may bleed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhFqFxuJJI0
This land is your land, this land is my land
From Love Canal to Three Mile Island
From the Livermore labs to the offshore rigs
This land was made for you and me
As I was walking the strip-mined valley
Into the city, the piss-soaked alley
I felt kinda sickly, kinda Love-Canal-ly
This land was made or you and me
This land is your land, this land is my land
But tell the truth, man it’s all the landlord’s land
Wants money in his hand, or he’ll call the policeman
This land was made for you and me
This land is your land (well, it’s not MY land)
This land is my land (it was once the Indian’s land)
From California
To the New York Island
From the Redwood Forest
To the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for you and me
You ask how we can do this to Woody, man
We know he’d understand, and mourn the poisoned land
With head held in dismay at Prince William’s death-bay
Our fondest respects to mister G!
Whatever…
I like JibJab’s 2004 version
Around 1’48″:
This land was my land
But now it’s our land
Nations are imagined communities… (cf. Benedict Anderson)
It seems that you would like to add fuel to a racial fire that is already on the brink of igniting, even without your follower driven, help…..
I’m sure that you studied a great deal about semantics in your local college and realize that many changes have occured in over 200 years.
Below is a more accurate interpretation of the verse in question..
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
The US national anthem was adopted in 1931, after The Veterans of Foreign Wars gathered 5 million signatures. The US house and senate passed a bill into law, declaring the Star Spangled Banner as the official national anthem. It’s nice to look at things with 20-20 hindsight and say, “Oh slavery was wrong,” but the fact that the song was adopted well after the slaves were freed, and your arguments refer to the 19th century version of the poem’s unsung verses, your arguments are silly. As you said, “we only ever sing the first verse,” thus, the questionable bits of a 19th century poem are not uttered in the 20th & 21st centuries, are they? It occurs to me that 5 million US veterans and the entire House & Senate weren’t offended by the song when they chose it. Too bad you are. That’s the problem with America today; we have too many politically correct liberals whining about whatever “offends” them. Boo hoo. Suck it up crybaby.
Oh, 1931, when Jim Crow was in full bloom and the KKK had just finished its strongest decade in U.S. history. When lynchings were a popular sport.
Yes, the country was all over that racism thing by 1931. Only “politically correct liberals” fail to understand that.
Very well written article. The history lesson is on point. Thank you for writing a piece that educates and still allows one to form their own opinion.
Perhaps even more telling is the fact that this lesson is what other countries teach. The version that defends America’s role in the war is only taught in USA schools. Heck, most people who learned about the War of 1812 in the USA have no idea the White House was burned to the ground.
Very selective on his facts. Those referred to in the third verse had joined the British in the War of 1812, in short revolted and joined the enemy, they participated in the burning of Washington DC and the White House, and the attack on Baltimore. The were the “Colonial Marines” and were promised by the British they could return when the British won the war and kill their masters. When the war was over the British took them to Canada and British islands in the Caribbean. Little wonder their demise was celebrated in song.
Mik stands proudly with Key: the ungrateful slaves who stole their masters’ property (themselves), and dared to fight the system that held them as property, got what they deserved (except for the ones who made it to Canada, the rotten traitors!).
Plus ça change. . . ;^(
Do you believe that the British were being altruistic in using slaves against Americans?
I certainly don’t,as they were slavers themselves.
I can only imagine the hate-fest for America that goes on in the brains of people daily in this country. What amazes me is you turds will refrain from standing for the national anthem, but you don’t mind cash-grabbing benefits of this country on a daily basis. I mean, it is blood money, right? You are getting “stuff” that only came from all that is evil and wrong in the world. The Great Satan America! Until it gives me stuff.
the War of 1812 began because Britain put economic sanctions on the US that led to embargos that crippled American trade and because of impressment, which is the forcible service of ships and soldiers, of American ships. America attacked Canada to also cut off the British supply lines to the Native American tribes under Tecumseh’s confederation not just to gain land. Also find it funny you praise the British over slave relations since they and the French were the ones that originally brought them over to the Americas.
Meanwhile the Brits were pretty much slavers and oppressors still. Look at what they were doing in India and its African colonies around this time.
Unfortunately, the United States is steeped in revisionist history. Including: the attempted “liberation” of Vietnam, “Mission Accomplished”, and numerous other “interventions” ..in the name of democracy.
Memes all generated and propagated by the zionist media btw.
It is a snapshot in time. Get over it. But I agree that only the first verse should be the official national anthem.
Yes,just like all the racist movies made by Jews in the 30s and forties that depicted blacks as stepin fetchits.
The chutzpah of some,who point fingers at others.
200 yrs from now, if America remains, folks will be arguing over what the war on terror was fought for: oil, power, freeing Iraq from Saddam to give them IS, zion, aliens (the spaceship kind), etc.
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Doubtful there will be any argument if America remains. Freedom will reign in the history books.
Too bad that the Intercept joined the biased and lying media and excerpted only the “racist” parts of what Colin Kaepernick said in regards to why he is NOT standing during the National Anthem. The bigger problem here is NOT Kaepernick’s viewpoint, but rather what the US main stream media did with it. Because here is the reality-racism or what looks like it, is all about division. We all need to wake up and do our part to keeping the media honest!
I said it wouldn’t be long before the left starts to try to justify his anti American protest.
If you define anti-hypocrisy as the same as being anti-American, then you are one hell of a stupid little bitch, aren’t you. … In other words, you either mean what you say about being a democracy, or you shut the fuck up!
The Founding Fathers did not feel it necessary to have a national anthem, let alone on where people were required to stand or remove their hat in a gesture of submission.
The Star Spangled Banner was indeed written during the War of 1812 -long after George Washington was dead, over two decades after the Constitution was adopted, and almost 40 years after Lexington and Concord. It was not the national anthem until the early 1900s -a century after the Founders!
This being said, I like the Stat Spangled Banner. Running away from one’s master is one thing; bearing arms against him and his country are another. I am not excited about 20,000 little John browns running with the British trying to topple Madison fro the presidency.
One other point is that the first two immigration laws that the U.S. congress passed after the constitution was ratified wee in 1790 and 1795. Both acts specified that only free white persons could become citizens.
I understand why blacks might not like the Star Spangled Banner, America’s Founders, or America. However, I like the song, our Founders, and this country. Maybe the blacks who do not like it should all just leave?
I wonder why Jon Schwarz -or is it (((Jon Schwarz)))?- did not take his article to the level that I just did. I think I know why he did not.
May the Star Spangled Banner continue to wave over the Constitutional Republic bequeathed us by the Founding Fathers, and may their descendants remember them and the 14 Words.
You need to take a basic history course. The invasion of Canada was NOT what started the War of 1812, nor was it even what the war was about. The war was about the British habit of seizing American ships and impressing their crews into the service of the British Navy as a way of bolstering its military forces, which at that time were engaged in dealing with Napoleon’s machinations in Europe. This was considered an extreme violation of America’s sovereignty. The attempted invasion of Canada occurred during the course of the war, but it was NOT, repeat, NOT, the cause of it. Get your facts straight before you go trying to influence others’ opinions.
I dont understand? We have been missing the second part the entire time it has been our national anthem? So we havent been singing the bad part where they mwntion slaves? We only have been singing the good part? We have been so stupid to not lut the second part in there! Or were we smart enough to know it was bad and never used it? So really out national anthem wouldnt be bad, since we have always left the bad part out? Or is it that the peraon that brings up the aecond part is just trying to create more problems
Kaepernick is not protesting Francis Scott Key or the song he wrote. He is protesting America.
America is both an idea and its people.
The American idea is that we all live as we please so long as we do not harm others under a government which is limited to protecting our freedom. When the government oppresses any of its citizens, it is violating the American idea. If Kaepernick wishes to protest oppression, then he needs to take the government to task, not the American idea.
The vast majority of the American people do not discriminate against their neighbors for their race. The small minority of racists come in all colors and ethnicities. If Kaepernick wishes to protest racism, then he needs to take the racist minority of all colors to task, not all of his fellow Americans.
Dear Sir,
Kaepernick is right. Unfortunately, in jingoistic, knee-jerk America your excellent piece is a minority report. Thanks for reminding us of our real history.
God Bless our great country! If you don’t like it, leave NOW!
Another good source on the role of slavery in the 1812 war:
https://www.colby.edu/magazine/slavery-played-a-key-role-in-the-war-of-1812/
Seems like FSK’s reference to “the hireling and the slave” refers to such forces, doesn’t it?
Furthermore, this wasn’t just a Southern US aberration; even though the U.S. banned the import of slaves to the U.S. in 1807, American slave-trading ships were built and fitted out in Northern shipyards up through 1862, until Lincoln banned the practice.
Such ships were involved in bringing African slaves to Brazil and Cuba; their interdiction by the British Navy (“interference with international trade” is what most U.S. history textbooks call this) played a key role in Congress declaring war on Britain in 1812.
And for those who claim those shipped from Africa were entering a better life(!), here you go:
On the eighth day [out at sea] I took my round of the half deck, holding a camphor bag in my teeth; for the stench was hideous. The sick and dying were chained together. I saw pregnant women give birth to babies whilst chained to corpses, which our drunken overseers had not removed. The blacks were literally jammed between decks as if in a coffin; and a coffin that dreadful hold became to nearly one half of our cargo before we reached Bahia [in Brazil].
Richard Drake, Revelation of a Slave Smuggler, 1860.
The British didn’t free those people for any more reason than they needed cannon fodder. I mean ask the people of India & Pakistan just how benevolent the solider’s of England are. Armies around the world use the indigenous people because they have grudges and are willing to settle them with all the nice shiny weapons given to them. After all they slaves weren’t here because of US law they came during the time we were a British colony. After we sold all the native people who could be caught.
Zionist divide and conquer tripe,by the author and the previous poster.
When we see them parading American streets to protest the current Israeli depredations against the Palestinians and Syrians, and 70 year old CCs,along with members of the ziolying media,wake US up.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812.
Give me a break, the only people in this country that oppress black people are other black people. The star spangled banner is a song about a battle and has nothing to do with celebrating slavery which was started by black people. Through out history they have been their own worst enemy so please just stop all this bull shit.
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Schwarz, you initiated a great disscussion, but from my perspective as an African-American, Key wrote a great song for this country that was reflective of the time and moment. In thinking of slavery, it is probably the most atrocious system/institutions/events in our history along with Natve American genocide. I actually take pride in my ancestors’ achievements and ability to overcome harse predicaments.
However, I would like to moreso comment on Salzmann’s assessment relating the issue to socio-economics. I think this is an important angle to look at alot of our issues verses looking towards divisive instruments pushed upon us tactically and purposefully. As mentioned, when you divide the masses, you can raid the pocket. We all know that socio-economics play apart in crime and, therefore, policing. We also know that the gap between the rich and poor is growing rapidly. I feel that we need to view certain situations as human issues versus racial issues. We need to come together on important issues before the next economic crisis occurs, and subsequent bailout of the banks and large corporations at the expense of the American taxpayer. As the masses become poorer, “social strain” will become more and more prevalent.
Schwarz, you initiated a great disscussion, but from my perspective as an African-American, Key wrote a great song for this country that was reflective of the time and moment. In thinking of slavery, it is probably the most atrocious system/institutions/events in our history along with Natve American genocide. I actually take pride in my ancestors’ achievements and ability to overcome harse predicaments.
However, I would like to moreso comment on Salzmann’s assessment relating the issue to socio-economics. I think this is an important angle to look at alot of our issues verses looking towards divisive instruments pushed upon us tactically and purposefully. As mentioned, when you divide the masses, you can raid the pocket. We all know that socio-economics play apart in crime and, therefore, policing. We also know that the gap between the rich and poor is growing rapidly. I feel that we need to view certain situations as human issues versus racial issues. We need to come together on important issues before the next economic crisis occurs, and subsequent bailout of the banks and large corporations at the expense of the American taxpayer. As the masses become poorer, “social strain” will become more and more prevalent.
Peace
I think the poem is being misinterpreted here’s what I found –
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 1
Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 1
The flag that flew over the fort was enormous. The commander of Fort Henry, Important George Armistead had commissioned Mary Pickersgill to make “a flag so large that the British would have no difficulty seeing it from a distance”
The flag could be seen from several miles away and Francis Scott Key was saying that it could be seen in the last light before nightfall and the first light at dawn
The ‘perilous fight’ was the Battle of Baltimore during the War of 1812
The Star Spangled Banner was streaming over the ramparts (battlements) of the fort
The “rocket’s red glare” and the “bombs bursting” used alliteration to describe the cannon fire pounding from the British navy and the cannons firing from the fort (one of the ships was armed with a rocket launcher)
The angry red glow from the cannon fire enabled Americans to see their Star Spangled Banner was still flying – the British had not captured the fort and hoisted the Union Jack
The Star Spangled Banner was waving over the ‘land of the free’ – a reference to the fight for Independence that had resulted in freedom from the tyranny of the British
The ‘home of the brave’ lyrics reflect the heroic exploits of Americans to defend their country
The War of 1812 was popularly known as the ‘Second War for Independence’
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 1
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 2
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
‘Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 2
Francis Scott Key was describing the perspective from the land as American looked out to hazy images of the British ships
The ‘foe’s haughty host’ lyrics describe the vessels of the arrogant British
The lyrics ‘dread silence reposes’ express the view of the ships that look quiet and still as if resting, but are actually a hive of terrifying activity
Francis Scott Key describes the high vertical position of the flag over Fort Henry in the lyrics ‘o’er the towering steep’ and the movement of the flag blowing in the wind, concealing then revealing the Star Spangled Banner
The sun comes out and clearly shines on the Star Spangled Banner, ‘in full glory’ lyrics express the grandeur of the flag and a religious connotation
Francis Scott Key almost makes the Star Spangled Banner lyrics ‘cheer’ using the patriotic words “Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave. O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!”
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 2
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 4
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 4
Pride and Patriotism is the theme of the last verse
Francis Scott Key uses emotive words such as ‘freeman’, ‘home’, ‘blest’, ‘victory’, ‘triumph’, ‘conquer’ and ‘peace’ in the Star Spangled Banner lyrics
He was a deeply religious man and his words reflect his belief that God was on the side of the Americans
He refers to the American nation and fighting for a just cause
The words “In God is our trust” combines the concepts of religion and patriotism and are believed to be the origin of the official motto of the United States “In God we trust”. The unofficial motto of ‘E pluribus unum’ which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created in 1782
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 4
Think I better call BS on this whole article. People are so SCREWED UP.
How disgusting is this interpretation of our national anthem. When blacks became enemy combatants against the United States they deserved to be killed just like the British enemy. This also means everything associated with Africa must also be boycotted by traitor keopernick, because Africa has been a slave factory throughout the ages, but blacks celebrate Africa as if it was a pristine non slave land. They hunted and captured their own people like animals, and even invaded Europe and took women and children back to Africa as slaves. The racial con-artist game is over, and the white minions who serve their black extremists masters are pathetic
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I want to thank the Intercept for putting that tune in my head all yesterday.
Play ball!
Your all idiots, you all have “tunnel vision’ You have all lost your minds! Look around, it’s not color, it’s humanity. Drive by shootings, A Mother throwing her children off a bridge, A Husband shooting his children and wife, then himself. Color doesn’t mean a thing. If it does to you, then you are the so-called racist. People are getting shot every day by Police. They are not all one color. If the police have to be called because of your disturbance, then you are breaking the law. When police arrive, do as your told, DO NOT point anything at them, hit the ground like they tell you, and put your hands behind your back. DO NOT, threaten them in any way, or resist. Cooperate, and you will not be shot! It’s that simple! Colin needs to be shipped out of this country and never (try) to play football again!
Everyone is so worked up over him sitting down. It’s troubling because his ‘disrespect of the anthem or flag isn’t really even newsworthy. This story was all over the news last night.
It’s apparent from the coverage that many Americans have more in common w/ islamic theocratic states than they do w/ freedom speech, sufferage, etc. in this way you can’t disrespect the koran…
Symbolic desecration as speech is verboten! I would not be surprised if there were some Amerikans who would like to see Kaepernick Farkhunda’d
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Jon Schwartz you are a disgrace to this country and its values.
I believe you should have resided in pre W.W.11 Germany where you would have learned what it is like to exist in an atmosphere of hate and discrimination. You have been granted all the freedoms and opportunities in this wonderful land. Your sick mental state is what makes others reject you and your followers.
Shameful, disgraceful and so wrong, I suggest you move to a land where you and yours could embrace a better, more free and what you perceive more just society. People of your mindset are filled with hate. This country does not need to listen nor share your ungrateful and dishonest commentary.
Oh the irony of the ignorant. That (white) WW2 German POWs were permitted to sit and eat in the restaurants of the train and bus stations, while (black) American servicemen were not tells you exactly how unwilling J.Lander is to deal with reality.
I believe you to be a fool if you think Colin K had any idea what the 3rd stanza said. Further, your accusation that the US started the War of 1812 by attacking Canada in 1813 shows your lack of knowledge of how time lines work. York was attacked, but after years of British trade restrictions and impressment (enslavement) of thousands of US Sailors. Further the lines you quote probably refer to mercenaries and slaves who were working with the British, but no where does it say they were slaughtered. In reality – very few, if any British forces (including colonial marines – slaves) were killed at all. Further – if they had – celebrating the defense of his country to British, mercenaries and former slaves is not racist. There are plenty of other things to object to in US History (are any countries history) but to babble on about your half assed theories is ridiculous.
What an awful anthem!!!
What is even more awful is the fact that little has changed since it was written.
They just find new excuses for their brutality against defenceless human beings. With the advances in technology, they are spreading horror and exporting their tools of aggression an unprecedented speed.
This is United States of Predators and they have always been Predators. Why they are not treated as such by the rest of the world?
What??
Then fricking leave! I can’t believe people are so stupid that they believe the propaganda spread by Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, BLM, etc. There is a very simple solution. If you think the way you do and hate the United States of America so much…..pack your s@#t and leave!!! You will not be missed one bit!!!
Little has changed?? Since the anthem was written blacks went from slaves to being president. WTF are you talking about? I can tell you are Euro-trash from the way you spell defence. You can come and get it any time you want predator hunter.
It agree with all the members of the grade 3 civics class writing indignantly to proclaim that their cherished copy of Child’s History of America makes no mention of slavery. This is not to deny that institutionalized slavery did exist at one time, but it was so uncontroversial, and had such universal support, that it doesn’t bear mentioning in the history books – which should focus on areas of conflict. There is a revisionist strain of thinking that the civil war was fought over slavery, but this is not supported by the historical record.
So Mr. Schwarz should be ashamed at trying to stir up controversy where none exists. Mr. Kaepernick was probably just resting, after being out carousing the night before. But when asked about it by reporters, he didn’t want to admit it, and so made up the story about protesting against the oppression of black people. As with other misunderstandings, the media attention is counterproductive, since they love the spotlight and try to keep digging up historical facts to pour more oil on fire.
This isn’t to deny that the First Amendment gives Mr. Schwarz the right to pour oil on the fire. But that doesn’t mean that everyone needs to follow his example and become an arsonist.
But Maestro Benny, it gets cold at night and a First Amendment fire often provides more heat than just a lump of coal. Though I have to admit Mr. Greenwald’s method of frequently pouring First Amendment oil directly onto reporters also seems an effective source of heat.
I can only assume you’re trolling as I would like to not believe someone is ignorant enough to say that slavery was “so uncontroversial and had such universal support” it doesn’t deserve mentioning. As if the actual slaves feelings have no right to be represented. That African American children should never learn why it is that their people are so much further behind in totality than any other race in America. I’m truly disgusted that people in America today think like this and it’s no wonder we are where we are today since “those who do not know their history and doomed to repeat it.”
The beauty of history is that it is infinitely malleable. For every lesson of history, it also teaches the exact opposite. It is always viewed through the prism of the present, which is continually changing. History is dynamic, not static.
What any of that means, I don’t know. But if people can’t agree about something that happened last week, how can they agree about something that happened two hundred years ago?
Derp. Wasteful. Very Wasteful.
Did you really just the write that the civil war was not fought over slavery. If you really wanted to be technical you could say the the civil war was fought over the social economic issues surrounding slavery but even that even that would be bad form. You can’t deny facts.
Interesting for a trivia question regarding lyrics, but a very unsophisticated article/argument. For the record, I think Kaepernick has every right to sit during the anthem and make his statement about social change.
However, this article lacks any historical context and is completely myopic in its assessment by conflating today’s social injustices with the realities of slavery 200 years ago. Nobody is denying that slavery existed, but this article is the American equivalent of Godwin’s Law, (where every political internet conversation eventually descends into Hitler comparisons), for America this means every leftist argument against America devolves into “America bad…look at the American Indians, look at slavery.” Of course, the other side of the argument is, “America good…Look at WW2 and how ‘Merica saved the world.”
Both are overly simplistic views of much larger historical issues, and actually diminish not just the complexity of the issues, but the true significance and depth of the debate. In other words, this article is an insult to Kaepernick’s message by oversimplifying it and making it about slavery 200 years ago, instead of focusing on the social realities of what is occurring today and what his protest is truly about.
you are a retard maybe if you read ALL the verses youd understand its not about that shit on the 3rd verse its about how no matter what war will destroy everything and nothing can save even hirelings or slaves dumb ass plus on top of that if you look at history youll see that most slaves were Irish white men cause they were muuuuuch cheaper than expensive black slaves and they let the irish slaves die instead of giving them medical attention or shelter or food like they did with black slaves. also history shows most slave owners that owned black slaves were BLACK them selfs. so next time you try saying things about my black heritage learn your facts
Anyone serious about improving the plight of the African-American in America should take their cause to the streets of Chicago on any weekend that suits them. After they have pioneered and proved their methods to be effective in the real world, they will receive the whole-hearted support of the rest of us. However, it would appear that talking down to others, and disrespecting American institutions (based on twisted interpretation of historic culture) is the weapon of choice in absence of real solutions, at least for most of today’s face-book twitters.
Right on Kaepernick!! Thanks for the enlightenment Schwartz. My children will no longer recognize the National Anthem in school or sporting events. It’s time to rise up against the most subtle forms of oppression as well as the obvious.
Let your children alone,as you are putting them in an uncomfortable position.
How does a song oppress you?Jesus.
The epitomy of chanting away tyranny while under the color of usa-anthem/hymn as someone:) has been sharing it all along: Who is still singing “””and the land of the free”” but the corrupt establishment (puppet elits included) perpetuating it without the true facts of usa-history while dressed in democracy clothing, and not one peanut butter, concerning this matter in any public or private school accross the usa much less peddle abroad by the their lapdog operatives in the media. Disgusting is short. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
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No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short and so it goes in the same wicked spirit with the former and original values of the democratic party, a fact too.
well done Intercept and Well Done to Colin Kaepernick
The only thing he has “Well Done” is getting a contract worth WAY more than he is worth. He is a disgrace to this country and to NFL. Anyone that can disrespect every life that has been sacrificed for this country (which made him the rich brat he is) doesn’t deserve to live here or pay in the NFL.
Do not call Sacrifice the opression and slavery of any kind of people with the guise of making life for the non-caucasian was not part of the “””has been sacrificed” at the time the parts of the national anthem was written because even the author who penned it shows his true caucasian colors against any non-white with gusto and that is the farse you call sacrifice? that is not sacrifice that is opression and slavery chanted away deceiving the usa- masses and not informing the domestic masses concerning the disgusting facts about a supremacist racist anthem. Look up the characteristics of “””context” and what it means and entails socreates. who is still singing and the land of the free? as such evidence of caucasian genocide against black or any nonwhites who freed themselves cannot be hidden or will you deny the true historial facts of usa history on this point that gives a way the true wicked spirit of many caucasian americans against non-whites or people of color that is those who are not caucasian. As brilliant statemans recently said. “”why don’t you call things by its name?”
Do not call Sacrifice the opression and slavery of any kind of people with the guise of making life for the non-caucasian was not part of the “””has been sacrificed” at the time the parts of the national anthem was written because even the author who penned it shows his true caucasian colors against any non-white with gusto and that is the farse you call sacrifice? that is not sacrifice that is opression and slavery chanted away deceiving the usa- masses and not informing the domestic masses concerning the disgusting facts about a supremacist racist anthem. Look up the characteristics of “””context” and what it means and entails socreates. who is still singing and the land of the free? as such evidence of caucasian genocide against black or any nonwhites who freed themselves cannot be hidden or will you deny the true historial facts of usa history on this point that gives a way the true wicked spirit of many caucasian americans against non-whites or people of color that is those who are not caucasian. As brilliant statesman recently said. “”why don’t you call things by its name?”
By 1833, Key who penned the atrocious anthem/hym became a district attorney for Washington, D.C. As described in a book called Snowstorm in August by former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley, the police were notorious thieves, frequently stealing free blacks’ possessions with impunity. One night, one of the constables tried to attack a woman who escaped and ran away — until she fell off a bridge across the Potomac and drowned, thus, this were the words of key concerning the matter “There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district,” an abolitionist paper wrote. “No fuss or stir was made about it. She was got out of the river, and was buried, and there the matter ended.”
any person who willfully perpetrates genocide that damages the spirit of a democratic republic and undermine the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs and should not be in any kind of public office position and such and let us sing a new song of “what is right” not with our lips while perpetrating “by deception we shall do war and be potus” and where bringing to light the true historical facts that the corrupt establishment has hidden deliberatetly is deemed the patriotic thing to chant while exposing the tyranny of it is considered treasonous. Disgusting is short — Alejandro Grace Ararat.
postscript: it is fallacious that the same caucasians deliberately chanting away the opression and genocide of black slaves and people of any other culture(except caucasians) with impunity ought to be considered the standard for the land of the free and the home of the brave,(nothing of patriotism for all races of color is chanted one penut butter) that just is not unpatriotic in any epoch it is, also, against what is right, treasonous.— Alejandro Grace Ararat.
There seems to be a lot of comments that boil down to the notion that a slave owning, openly racist man couldn’t possibly have written a poem that expoused racist beliefs including the idea that escaped slaves deserved to be slaughtered. Or the notion that a nation that kept slaves couldn’t possibly have overlooked such racism, and so another interpretation, no matter how much creative licence has to be used to make that other interpretation work, must be the valid one. Of course, Occam’s razor is so popular and cited because the simpler explanation usually is the more accurate one.
We should get a new national anthem that unifies our country and celebrates our differences which is our strength!
Kaepernick doesn’t live in 1814. Neither do you, Jon Schwarz, nor I. Kaepernick is an ego-bloated bubble head, but at least he makes (up until now) bank. You, on the other hand, probably didn’t make crap for a couple hours’ worth of schlock, and, well, I feel already indifferent about your joining this current trend of sweaty self-flagellation. Whatevs. By the way, the athletes could only benefit from remembering who pays the team owners–the fans. (Dixie Chicks, are you touring currently?)
Hugh from Canadia: Save us the lecture on freedom of expression. You guys came up with a ‘bill of rights’ in 1982, which was signed into law by the queen of England, two hundred years after our white dudes in powdered wigs gave yours the bird. Freaking please.
Jon Schwarz and Hugh from Canadia can go flagellate each other into feverish oblivion. Meanwhile, I’ll take what my ancestors (and those who weren’t) gave me and be thankful, and I will not be bashful that they didn’t live in 2016.
Jon, are you illiterate? Francis Scott Key wasn’t celebrating slavery, he was celebrating our victory over our enemies.
How perverse can you be?
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I did more research on the national anthem, after reading all the verses and researching , it definitely was written for the slaves. In the battle of war I’m not sure I would consider it celebrating their “murder” though. Murder is not a term that should be used in war.
Alright, this is where I draw the line. There is a difference between our National Anthem, where the first verse of Francis Scott Key’s Star Spangled Banner is used as lyrics, and the poem itself. If anyone ever uses the third stanza as the lyrics, the argument would be valid. I’m not taking sides on this, I’m not going to get caught up in these waves of emotion back-and-forth, I am saying there’s a difference between what Key wrote in 1814 and what has become our National Anthem today. By the logic of this argument, we should stop singing Amazing Grace because the author was a notoriously brutal slave owner, the Declaration of Independence means nothing because Thomas Jefferson had six children with his slave and didn’t free her when he died, and we should stopped watching baseball because major leagues banned black players up until 1947. The next time I hear the third verse is sung as the National Anthem will be the first time I ever heard it, and when that happens, I’ll step up. I’m glad Kaepernick has a brain, for the longest time I wasn’t so sure about it, he just jumped a couple of respect levels where I’m concerned, but I think it’s a stretch I’m not going to go along with. I want to see if his sitting for the National Anthem was a one-time deal that got him Trending and got people talking about something other than him being demoted to second string, or if this is something he feels deeply about and is willing to risk his livelihood and good name for. In either case, while I understand the argument, I don’t agree.
Thank you for the history lesson. Any person, F.S. Key or other, would welcome the death and destruction of their enemy. Black, white, hired or not, slave or free.
The death and dead bodies in the streets, Colin speaks of, sounds like south Chicago. What? Colin didn’t sit in outrage that “his own” is killing “his own”. No he took the Islamic extremist views of his “wife” and decided to hate America.
There is little doubt that some police have “acted stupidly” as barrie has stated. But the vast majority of cops do their job. Arrest criminals. White, Black and other.
The fervor and anger most BLM are protesting over are over criminals acting like criminals. Disrespecting the law and not listening to cops. “Hands up don’t shoot” BS.
How about getting pissed off that kids are not graduating. Kids are having kids. Men killing men in the street. You are falling pray to the media idea of what is right and true. Surprisingly, today the democrat party rewards unwed mothers having babies (even though Senger and the democrats, a few years ago, would have rather they had abortions. That is until they realized they were new guaranteed votes in 18 years.
You can twist it anyway you wish but when a $19M a year crap quarterback wants to make a statement… Maybe he should make one that matters…
Learn how to speak proper English before you make outlandish claims. Much of this is heresay. If there were slaves killed in this battle, they were on the side of the British, which technically doesn’t make them African American.
“…but we don’t ever talk about how the War of 1812 was a war of aggression that began with an attempt by the U.S. to grab Canada from the British Empire.”
I’m a Canadian history teacher. Let me be the first to say THANK YOU! You are the first American I can think of who actually admits that America attacked Canada! As well, the American terror raid on York (Toronto) where many buildings were torched was the reason Washington was raided and the White House became white to cover up the scorch marks. Understanding our past – warts and all – is vital if we are to make positive changes that improve our societies.
WRT Kaepernick: It’s sad that so many Americans care more for a piece of fabric that the values it should represents, such as one’s right to freedom of expression which is clearly what he’s engaging in. The emotional reaction to Kaepernick statement shows a very dangerous trend in American civic life. As with fascist and other totalitarian societies, emotion is more important than thought, and almost religious devotion to symbols rather than what they represent, become more and more prevalent. As Chris Hedges wrote, spectacle triumphs over substance.
You are a history teacher?
You might want to look up “impressment” and weigh in on the author’s position of the War of 1812 being a war of “aggression”.
While you are at it, look up your own history. America never attacked Canada- your independence from Britain as a self governing dominion didn’t occur until 1867.
Forming this nation was tough work- the United States earned its independence and still the British pressed. If the area which is now Canada or any other territory under Btitish rule found itself in the way they were dealt with.
“The emotional reaction to Kaepernick statement shows a very dangerous trend in American civic life.”
Of all the examples you could have chosen.. That’s hardly a litmus test. Not that I disagree with your premise, but perhaps you could expound? The recent hysteria over confederate flags seems to fit your emotional fascist criteria well.
Good critique. I wrote it off the top of my head and it’s 1AM. I’ll look at it tomorrow and expound then!
“so many Americans care more for a piece of fabric that the values it should represents, such as one’s right to freedom of expression […].”
How sad that someone from a country which has so little understanding of or love for Liberty — are you still putting people on trial for telling the truth about Islam? — would deny others their right to freedom of speech.
You have a right to be ignorant, ungrateful, and mind-numbingly lacking in self-awareness — Colin Kaepernick gets paid tens of millions of dollars a year to run around in tight pants throwing a ball; if that’s “oppression,” then sign me up — and everyone else has a right to point that out.
It is Kaepernick — and people like you — who are “approaching fascism, totalitarianism, and almost religious devotion” to tyranny. The American flag is a symbol of the self-evident truths that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” It is a symbol of the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of our countrymen for not only ourselves, but for strangers throughout Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. It is a symbol of the Republic that not only ended slavery in its own lands, but provided a model of Liberty for the rest of the world. Are people trying to escape the United States, or are they doing everything they can to get here? Despite the best efforts of your fellow travelers, this is still a shining city on a hill, and the last, best hope for Man on Earth.
Slavery, Segregation, the KKK, the Trail of Tears, the Mexican-American War, the internment of American citizens during World War II, the slaughter of tens of millions of innocents, and the mainstreaming of Islamic totalitarianism — including the green-lighting of Iran’s nuclear genocide program — all are exactly the opposite of what Old Glory represents, and they all fall at the feet of the Democrat party. If you want to blame someone for those blots on American history, then blame them, who’ve never met a form of crime against Heaven that they didn’t like.
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Well stated.
I am sorry Hugh, but as a teacher of history why don’t you start with the full story. The British in their war with Napoleon impressed over 10,000 US sailors to attempt to curtail a NEUTRAL country from trading with France. We went to War in 1917 over just such an incident with the Kaiser.
The War of 1812 started in the seas, and only then migrated to land battles.
Further. the first shots fired in the “Canadian land grab” were by the British garrison on St. Joseph Island on Lake Huron. They learned of the declaration of War and fired on an American garrison. This occurred prior to any invasion of Canada. I think you need to check some facts. I am not suggesting this incident led to the invasion of Canada, that was a decision Jefferson took to increase the land mass of the US.
Unlike your assertion insinuating the burning of Washington was in direct response to the burning of that “huge metropolis”, York (later Toronto). That event didn’t occur until 1814, two years after the failed attempt to invade Canada it is a stretch to suggest this was a quid pro quo, and not part of a military strike to gain a capitulation.
Also, I do not know which Americans you are referring to, but most anyone with a high school history education knows that America attempted to invade Canada during the War of 1812. Because you seemingly don’t know these Americans makes you suspect not us.
Lastly, do us all a favor, take care of the issues in Canada and drop the self righteous bull. If it is Kaepernick’s right to protest it is the rights of other Americans’ to disagree vocally with him.
As you so eloquently conclude, “spectacle triumphs over substance”. That exactly epitomizes what CK is doing.
Now go run along, back to the land of the Maple Leaf, pick up a modern history book and take a read. SMH
Canadians,or at least the original Europeans,were of the same stock as Americans,with French racists thrown in for good measure.They also had slaves at one time,and also killed and took the native Americans lands.
The only reason America is more known for racism is that we had many more African slaves,as cotton was king,and I guarantee the majority of Canadians in Keys time had the same racial attitudes.
While it is indeed true that few people are aware of the attack of US forces on Canada it must be remembered that at the time Canada was a British colony and therefore it was an attack on Great Britain. As far as the author’s suggestion that it was a land grab… that can and has been debated. The US forces got their butt’s handed to them and went back home to lose (and later regain) Detroit.
That’s rather doubtful. Robert Ross, the British general who led the forces that captured and burned Washington, made no mention of York in his reports. And the complaint that Madison received from the British government, immediately after the attack on Washington, referred to depredations by Americans on the Niagara frontier, notably the rogue raid on Port Dover by John Campbell and his men.
It wasn’t until months later that any mention was made of the attack on York — and that came only when the Brits were being chastened at home for burning Washington.
Consider a little more historical research, Mr. Culliton.
You seem to be overlooking the fact that all of the people have the right, the same right that Colin Kaepernick excercised, to roast him for his “protest.” He sat down at the National Anthem. My reaction to this was “meh”, another washed up athlete doing whatever he can to push a spotlight back on himself. That’s honestly the bottom line. Up until this point (a point I might add that sees him engaged to a Black Lives Matter activist), Kaepernick has donated zero money, and zero time to any kind of protest.
The reaction has been split, too. I’ve found about as many articles in support of him as I have against him.
I’m also not afraid to admit that he’s right about some things. There are cops that have killed black men (and white, and yellow, and brown) for little reason, and that is something that needs to be cleaned up. But then, aren’t there Football players that are hitting girlfriends and wives, going about with guns, getting accused of murder and let off after inquiries that found them not guilty, running dog-fighting rings, and in many other ways acting outside the law? Every profession, every walk of life has its “warts” if I can borrow your turn of phrase. I wouldn’t protest ALL sports, or even the NFL for the actions of a few bad people. I’d move to get those people removed. Kaepernick has now moved the narrative away from finding those bad cops, which btw is NOT a national organization, but a county and state organization, to ridiculous narratives about what the national anthem means, its origins etc. His protest doesn’t take the energy needed to solve any problems and focus them, it shatters and scatters it instead.
A war of aggression in the sense that we were angry at the forced military services of nearly 10,000 Sailors into the British Navy and continued violence against American settlers and citizens supported by the British Crown. We did invade to expand territory in the North, but it wasn’t without provocation by the King.
“Righter”? Horrible English.. You need to really consider another career path sir..
Don’t be too rash: a better editor would fix the problem!
And this is your contribution to the discussion? Hmmmm
You’re the umpteenth poster to attempt to make this pointless point.
“Righter” has been used as a comparative form of “right” for a very long time, most recently usually informally. It’s perfectly fine in this headline.
Now, back to your remedial English studies; your sentence construction and punctuation need work.
Never read or heard the term before.Do you mean rightist?Even that is not very much used,as right winger is the usual term,usually used for the zionist scum in Israel,btw,or their Ukrainian thugs in Kiev.
Slow he down, doug. You’re wronger than you know. Other than a few old land-locked Appalachians (who still spake the Kings’ english), it’s rarely used nowadays.
*and when I do use it (e.g. ‘righter than rain’), i’m inevitably ridiculed to the point of remedial English studies?
Now, while I still doubt Jon is a pure moran, it was his claim that CK was righter “than you know” that caught my attention! He don’t know any such thing… but he is sitting in good company.
In fact, the sentiment is as old as the hills, and probably pre-dates Moses …
An Open Letter to Colin Kaepernick,
Dear Colin guess you have been pretty busy these last few days. For the record I don’t think any more or less of you for not standing for the National Anthem. Honestly, I never thought that much about you, or any professional athlete for that matter, to begin with. I’ve read your statement a few times and want you to know I am one of the reasons you are protesting. You see I am a retired police officer that had the misfortune of having to shoot and kill a 19-year-old African American male. And just like you said, I was the recipient of about $3,000 a month while on leave which was a good thing because I had to support a wife and three children under 7-years-old for about 2 months with that money. Things were pretty tight because I couldn’t work part time. Every police officer I’ve ever known has worked part-time to help make ends meet.
You know Colin the more I think about it the more we seem to have in common. I really pushed myself in rehab to get back on the street, kind of like you do to get back on the field. You probably have had a broken bone or two and some muscle strains and deep bruising that needed a lot of work. I just had to bounce back from a gunshot wound to the chest and thigh. Good thing we both get paid when we are too banged up to “play”, huh? We both also know what it’s like to get blindsided. You by a 280- pound defensive end, ouch! Me, by a couple of rounds fired from a gun about 2 feet away, into my chest and thigh. We also both make our living wearing uniforms, right? You have probably ruined a jersey or two on the field of play. I still have my blood stained shirt that my partner and paramedics literally ripped off my back that cold night in January. Fortunately, like you I was given a new one. Speaking of paramedics aren’t you glad the second we get hurt trainers and doctors are standing by waiting to rush onto the field to scoop us up. I’m thankful they get to you in seconds. It only took them about 10 minutes to get to me. By the grace of God, the artery in my thigh didn’t rupture or else 10 minutes would have been about 9 minutes too late. We also have both experienced the hate and disgust others have just because of those uniforms we wear. I sure am glad for your sake that the folks who wear my uniform are on hand to escort you and those folks that wear your uniform into stadiums in places like Seattle!
I guess that’s where the similarities end Colin. You entertain for a living, I and almost 800,000 others across this country serve and protect. Are there some bad apples within my profession? Absolutely and they need to be identified and fired or arrested! But you know what, the vast majority do the right thing, the right way, for the right reason. Did I mention that seconds before I was shot, an elderly African American gentleman walking down the sidewalk, turned to my partner and I as we rode past and said, “Get them.” Get who you ask? The thugs terrorizing an otherwise good and decent neighborhood, home to dozens of good, decent African American families trying to raise those families in communities not protected by gates and security guards. No these folks and families depend on America’s Law Enforcement Officers.
Colin I have buried 7 friends, killed in the line of duty and three others who have committed suicide. I have attended more funerals than I care to remember of neighboring departments who have lost officers in the line of duty, during my career. Law Enforcement Officers with different backgrounds, upbringings, and experiences united by their willingness to answer the call to protect and serve their fellow citizens.
Colin I am sorry for the endorsement deals you may lose and the dip in jersey sales, but please know you will NEVER lose what these men and women and their families have lost. And so whether you stand or sit during the National Anthem or not means very little to me. As for me and the men and women on whose team I was privileged to serve, we will put on our ballistic vests, badge, and gun, kiss our loved one’s goodbye, for some tragically for the last time, and out into a shift of uncertainty we will go. We will continue to protect and continue to serve and we will be standing at attention Colin, not just for the playing of our National Anthem, but far more importantly for the playing of Taps.
V/R
Chris Amos
Copy & paste this to share, I’m sure Chris Amos would approve.
Wow, Chris Amos. Thanks for all you do and God Bless You.
i have nothing but respect for police in my community who put their life on the line to protect and serve. They should be paid more and given the respect that they deserve. Like in Scandinavian countries. It’s a dangerous job. I am in favor of anything that would make it safer for the police. Intimately those things are going to be systemic, like fighting poverty and getting rid of the overwhelming number of guns in the US.
That being said, I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can support the police and their role in society 100% and be, just like a conscientious, over paid, professional athlete , 100% against policemen who murder people. People who are statistically disproportionate racially.
From the lede of a story about Chris Amos in his local newspaper, a few years ago:
Dear Mr. Amos:
First of tell that to all the African American professional athletes in America who have lost family and friends or fellow athletes and teammates to senseless gun violence that the police were unable to prevent or protect them from. So I’m not sure I’d say “Colin will NEVER experience” what you claim to have experienced.
Moreover, and with all due respect to the “danger” of your profession, in a nation with 300 million + citizens, in 2015 across the entire nation approximately 130 police officers died. That’s probably even a little high for the historical average year over year.
Of that 130, 17 died of heart attack, and about 50 died of vehicle accidents or other non-gunfire/violence aimed at officers related causes. In other words about 70, or approximately half, of all police officer related deaths were accidents not violence directed at police officers.
And since being a police officer isn’t nearly as dangerous statistically as being a logger, farmer or construction worker, I’m curious why is it that only police officers are always bringing attention to how “dangerous” their work is?
As an initial matter, to say it is “so so very very dangerous” is mathematically inaccurate and makes you come off like your all a bunch of delicate little snowflakes who must be praised constantly for your “selflessness” when being a police officer is a job you chose (for whatever reason) and that buy and large you get paid better than loggers, farmers and construction workers for.
http://time.com/4326676/dangerous-jobs-america/
In fact police officer is way down the list statistically of “dangerous to one’s health” jobs in America:
Just sayin’, I’ve never met a logger, farmer or construction workers/roofers (and I’ve known a lot of all 4) who write op-eds about how dangerous their work is, or how much value it adds to society. And I’m pretty sure people need wood, food and all the people who make wood and food into valuable products for the American people just as much as it needs policeman working sporting events to make ends meet.
So while I agree America needs good, conscientious police officers who as you said, “do the right thing, the right way, for the right reason”, we should never have a single officer who keeps quite with a fellow officer who does the wrong thing, for any reason, just because police officers believe in “blue” solidarity. There should be “zero tolerance” for corruption, unlawful or unethical behavior within any police force because it fundamentally undermines the institution and people’s respect for those who are entrusted with weapons and power over our very lives.
Sorry if this comes off as disrespectful, but American police forces have a very long and checkered history in this country of treating the American people with a fundamental lack of respect and violence, particularly in large cities with significant poor and minority populations. That’s just historical fact. Or would you like me to write and op-ed the breaks down the statistics for the number and names of every police force in America that has been involved in scandal, corruption and/or been placed under court order to reform their policies and actions.
I think you better reread your history on the war of 1812.
fukk u jswartsz….u r a fukkin hyppocrit…colin copperdick doesn’t even remember anything from 10 minutes ago, let alone 200 years ago….he’s siting things that happened within 1 year ago, which because it’s a presidential election is part of the democrat playbook is to incite violence so they can call Repubs racists. I honestly don’t know how u get from place to place with your hed stuck so far up your ass!!!
Regarding the flag: When the symbol becomes more important than the freedom it represents, then both have become a farce.
NOBODY is forced to live under this flag if it does not bring them any honor, they can go, move, relocate to a better and fairer country. Characters like this one make millions in this racist country and then turn around and throw stones! BLEAH!
Every American has the right to criticize the state of his or her own nation when so moved. Especially American Blacks as their American ancestors were never immigrants. America is every Black person’s birthright and they’re free to criticize it when it’s abusive or runs afoul of its own purported values.
America is not above reproach and anyone who would argue with an American’s right to free speech hasn’t earned their own. You can’t possibly be from here talking that stupidity.
And also I’m a moran.
Did you have any idea this article was going to be as explosive as it turned out to be?
Hey Mona!
I definitely did not expect it to go nuts like this, partly because I thought this was better known than it turns out to have been.
Also, the above comment actually isn’t from me, but I’ll leave it as is because I appreciate the trouble they went to to appear to be me. Plus I actually am a moran so no harm done.
Ha! That’s pretty funny someone went to all that trouble. He could have made it more interesting and shocking, tho. Maybe announced “you” were quitting TI to work for the Trump campaign.
“They are always watching and I can only tell the truth here in the comment section. Please let my family know that I am alive and that I was forced to tell these vile lies by Greenwald!”
Jon Schwarz the author….
Please do not pass the buck to Mr Greenwald. Some of us know what you are capable of writing…. truth—lies– and in between….AND LOVE IT…so please continue your trade! :-)))
That guy proudly holding up his sign, Get a Brain Morans should get royalties for whenever his ironical spelling is used.
Have been wondering……..
Why would you impersonate the author if all you were trying to say was….
Top Definition
moran
Anyone with an opposing view.
Get a brain morans! Go USA!!!
by trimbandit June 29, 2004
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran
I am sure the author is very well aware of the fact that commenters DO have opposing views!!
ps again wondering if impersonating someone is considered “fraud”!!!
This was in reply to……the impersonator…
Jon Schwarz
Aug. 29 2016, 10:09 p.m.
And also I’m a moran.
NOT the author…
Morans aren’t usually Jewish,but morons are are universal.
It’s such a poor excuse when authors, much like the mainstream drive by media, cherry pick an obscure partial phrase from a longer text to draw a comparison. The full 2nd and 3rd verses of the Star Spangled Banner need to be taken as a whole to give it meaning, not just the last four lines. If you seriously intend to use 1812 as a reference, you have to take it as it was written in 1812. For those who don’t understand the historical significance, the statements about hirelings and slaves arguably were most likely in reference to the same tactics used by the British during the revolutionary war 30 years before that. During the revolutionary war, the British also offered slaves freedom papers if they would go and fight for them, however it came with a catch. It would have only been valid had the British won the war. When the British left in defeat and the major cities like Philadelphia were returned to the colonies, the fighters with papers were left to fend for themselves and the British signatures had no meaning. Without someone from the same period to argue Francis Scott Key’s writings, when you take the full second and third verses in totality, what it’s saying is, if hirelings and slaves were to once again join the other side during the war of 1812, there would be nowhere for them to hide when the army went on to defeat the British for a second time.
You ignore the fact that the author of the Star Spangled Banner was a slave owner. You were JUST TOLD THIS. Where is your reading comprehension??
You read the quote from the Star Spangled Banner, googled the lyrics and your reading ended there.
My big question here is why are we focusing on a verse to a song that doesn’t have that verse? The National Anthem is not the ENTIRE Star-Spangled Banner it is only the FIRST verse. The rest of the poem has no part in the national anthem. Also Rob brings up a great point, pulling only 4 lines from the entire poem and not taking it in context is very misleading. If you read the entire stanza you can see he specifically talks about those that defected to the British (the first 4 lines, He puts them in the same category as the British as they are now enemy combatants) and how they are dead even with the protection promised to them by Britain. Context changes arguments greatly at times. Can the fact that the author was a slave owner affect things? Yes it is very possible, he was however writing about a battle in which the British (with defectors of the USA) attacked Fort McHenry. His views could have easily been mixed, however when you bunch defectors with the enemy (which they were) it changes the tone of the stanza. He uses the last 4 lines to reflect how they ran to the British for freedom and died for it instead.
Instead of insulting, why not post a more well-thought out rebuttal? Nonetheless, you seem to be unable to comprehend the complicated mess that was our country’s early years. There was certainly a moral dichotomy regarding slavery but you are throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water. Now that you were JUST TOLD THIS, will you be able to comprehend that?
Do you really think Colin knows or can recite that stanza? From all accounts it wasn’t the song as much as his ill perceived view of a problem he has never experienced himself. I don’t see him in Compton spending his multi millions to improve anything. Nor did he address the real issue of black on black crime. How about they work on that little issue for a while? He protested in such a way as to actually pay nothing. Not impressed with anything about Colin, including his football performance. He will soon be on the dung heap of half talented, washed up, big mouthed former NFL players having never really accomplished anything in his career or done anything in his life to actually be a part of the solution.
Funny…guess who started slave trading and was the most guilty?
You guess it…Africans.
Are African Americans as upset about the constant use of the N-word in rap music?
You better be! I am offended at it—FOR YOU—for I am WHITE.
But you know that SSB is racist–celebrating death of slaves. Forget the humiliation of a race through “art” that is celebrated within a culture.
But whatever…
guess who started slave trading … the British actually (ironically). The first slaves in the “new world” were Irish political prisoners. Britain didn’t want them, didn’t know what to do with them, so they sold them and shipped them out.
So true, it was those Irish slaves in the south who made things even worse for the black slaves and has a lot to do with why the south is the way it is today.
The slaves were a tremendous help in the fight for freedom. We no longer enslave people as promised. The actions of individuals doesn’t mean the whole country is failing. Police are not government employees nor do they defend our country. They are either state,county,or city employees who try to keep the peace. Our military protects our country and freedom and they consist of all races and creeds. That is what the flag is about.
“Police are not government employees.” So who employs them?
I am pretty sure he/she meant “not Federal Gov’t employees.”
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
Exactly what it says for those who don’t have a self centered and twisted way of making things fit their agenda… no one could stop the power of will and longing to gave liberty and freedom from anarchy and tyranny. . The free and the brave will only overcome this battle to proceed. .. The rest will be puppets to an evil and sinister master. No diversity to it. Now we face a much different evil that is just as ruthless as the brits but more equipped and less hearted. Death is their victory without conscious He is an idiot!
This is false. And it’s been showing up here over and over since the thread began, from the same site. It is not true.
See this 14-minute documentary which supports the analysis in the above article: What So Proudly We Hail.
Sorry, Mona. Your head is in a dark crevice beneath your waist on this one. Revisionist historians, courtesy of world communism, are busily producing documentaries that erode the symbols of our Republic (it is not a democracy as the communists like to insinuate). Who cares if the documentary supports the illiterate author’s “analysis?” Without context the argument made is deeply flawed.
Mona, had I been a slave at that time I would have done anything to get away, including joining the British.
That said, Key was simply pointing out that literally 1000’s of slaves had fled to the British side. I cannot for the life of me find fault with these slaves’ reasoning, but you have to admit in the time of its writing Key was decrying the idea of taking the British side.
I think the author of the “piece of journalism” takes a great deal of liberty infusing Key with motivation. “he was taking great satisfaction in the killing of slaves”. Was this guy there? Did he interview Key? Where there people in Key’s company then or subsequently that ascribed testimony to Key’s maniac glee?
You cannot simply take the man out of his time. You cannot simply infuse him with emotions that can’t be fathomed.
Imagine 200 years later someone revisits this tempest in a teapot and says, well all these people criticized CK and some with some vigor it makes you wonder just why they did not t least understand.
As long as we are talking about the War of 1812, we also should recall how it ended: With the killing of Tecumseh and the destruction of his Confederation, an alliance of Native American nations. The Confederation fought with the British because of the brutal attack by the American government on the Shawnee Prophet and the massacre at Prophet City, an unspeakable act of genocide.
You are seriously an idiot. A war of aggression? 10,000 american citizens were press ganged into the british military. They were conscripted using piracy and were kidnapped from their country.
How is this a war of aggression by the US. Seriously, journalists are scum, and this is another example of it. You are trying to craft narrative using lies and deception. You disgust me.
Of course, lest we forget, there was a war of aggression before 1812, namely John Adams’s Quasi-war, in which we attacked our allies, the French and cozied up to Great Britain. We also launched any early attempt of a unitary executive, with restrictions on freedom of speech domestically (Sedition acts), restrictions on American citizens being private diplomats (Logan Act), the first restrictions on immigration (Alien acts), attempts to use religion for political purposes (numerous fast days proclaimed by Adams, often accompanied by political sermons by Federalist preachers), political bodies of troops being raised, government officials profiteering from their positions…sounds awful familiar. (Indeed. Adams and Hamilton have been undergoing a resurgence for a while.)
There is one bright spot. We could have had “Hail, Columbia!” for our anthem. That song is a paean to a unitary executive.
My opinion is that this is all overblown and the national anthem we have is perfectly fine, if musically overrated. Why? “The Star-Spangelled Banner” may have that horror, but the national anthem doesn’t. Our national anthem is only the first verse of that song. We never sing the rest of it.
Isn’t it ironic that most of the people criticizing Kaepernick for not doing the politically correct thing are the same guys saying that political correctness is destroying this country? We can’t be this stupid of a society.
Well, I’m sorry to inform you that what Kaepernick did is now the new standard of being politically correct.
Well, Alex, it does appear that we are that stupid.
I bet every national anthem on the planet was written by people with modern skeletons in the closet.
When they wrote them though,the skeletons weren’t defleshed,but were paraded by almost every citizen.
The authors of of the national anthem celebrating French freedom were probably all Haitian slavers,and the people of North Africa,their playthings.
Total irrelevant holier than thou nonsense by 3 dollar bills.
Havila negayla(sic);They still are slavers,how about them apples,at least Americans ended it,and there was blood spilled by those whites in ending it,although yes,the main impetus was preserving our union.
But those Americans knew,when Lincoln proclaimed the emancipation,that anti slavery was a large motivation,and they didn’t stop fighting for the abolition of it,which you modern finger pointers fail to praise.
Kaepernick is just an emblem of the divide and conquer zion has done to the American people.
And RR,no one was or is shooting at roofers,farmers or loggers,so that analogy falls a little short,although yes, most cops are not perfect citizens,and usually only around when we don’t need them.:)
I found this piece rather enlightening and somewhat disheartening. I love this country and all its flaws even with all obvious political corruption and their banking / special interest cronies. I am still blessed to have been born in this part of the world as a head start.
However, *We must Learn from History but at the same time not Dig Up Graves and point out others ancestors faults and drag names through the Mud. For they are Dead and live and remembered only through their Legacy and or Legend. The present and Future have their own current problems / crises. If we could look in the mirror (myself included) & think what is my Legacy? How would I positively impact the world. How would I be remembered? I think / hope not it would be because of slandering or bring light the corruption of someone or something that happened 200 years ago to get published or more likes / views. This brings more resentment than unity and peace. We, Today, are Not those people.
Colin had a right to not stand. I wasn’t impressed. But this is how he will be remembered at the possible end of his career. He has the spotlight, now he has an explanation. Hopefully, it’s a one of Unity and Correction and not further Division.
Next moron who brings up black on black crime, think about this (I know it’s hard for you to think with your lack of intellect but try), blacks live with other black people and whites live with other whites generally. No shit, people of the same race generally kill other members of their race. I also ask, what are you doing about the fact that 83% of whites are killed by other whites? Nothing? Oh that’s right, you just sit on your high horse and wag your fingers at people you deem subhuman. So instead of demonizing all blacks as criminals, how about you do something productive? Like, fixing crime rates in your own community first? By the way, I’m white so go ahead and call me a race traitor, I really couldn’t care less.
Yet, 9% of Blacks commit half of the murders in the U.S. . . and also, Whites are killed more by cops despite interacting with cops less than Blacks. . . . . I’m Black, so go ahead and call me a race traitor. I really couldn’t care less.
A great deal of the violent crime in black neighborhoods is engendered by the racist “war” on drugs. When beverage alcohol was prohibited, white Americans slaughtered one another in the streets — that’s how contracts and turf battles are resolved in black markets.
African-Americans are disproportionately impoverished for a variety of socio-political reasons virtually all stemming from the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and racism. Poor people are especially lured into black markets, where money can be made. (White “hillbillies” still do this in the meth market.) The violence attendant to black markets distorts the community and the violence spreads and spreads.
Black people are killed by armed agents of the state more than whites per capita.
On white hillbillies and prohibition: it gave birth, or is credited for giving birth, to Nascar. Yeeeeeehaw!!! Yall!
An intersting aside here, arguably then advances in the automobile were made by rednecks tryin to outrun Boss Hog, not by research scientists and engineers.
Which leads way off topic to this: give solar powered vehicle tech to black folks in inner cities and make that the only way to get around ‘quickly’ … may be they’ll improve on it actually make it a viable option?
Necessity the mother of invention.
Colin Kaepernick is a piece of “Hundedreck” who can run and throw a football, that’s all. His action is shameless, a disgrace to the men and women of all colors and creeds who gave their lives over the last 3 centuries to protect his freedom to act like the asshole he is. Like families, this nation and all nations have glaring faults in their past but also pride in their accomplishments. I cannot help think of that anthem and this great country’s flag and think about my family members and friends who fought and died while protecting that right of Kaeperneck to protest. I am sure the hearts and souls of those heros whose blood fell on ground during our nation’s War of Independence, the Civil War, and on the battlefields in Europe, in the Pacific, in Vietnam, and in the Middle East did not feel the same sense of misguided disgust as the thug playing football in the NFL. I have no respect for him or his erroneous cause which is part and parcel of the war on police. Neither Kaepernick or this author, Mr. Schwartz, is correct- we do not need a new national anthem. the present one fits just fine. One last thought- face the hard facts as stated by “Pragmatic Thinker” below and put “the racial thing” to rest. It’s gotten real stale.
Your choice of using a germanic word to describe a black man as a ‘dog’ suggests racist views.
More importantly while celebrating fallen warriors, you omitted mentioning the numbers of fallen in Vietnam were disproportionately poor blacks and other lower income whites who were drafted because they could not obtain exemptions from the draft like so many ‘patriots’ we see in politics and on talk radio (Think Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh, Hannity, O Reilley, and a host of other chicken hawks).
I fought alongside many in Vietnam and I have more respect for a black man ignoring a symbol of freedom, while reality of oppression of many of his family and friends can still be labelled ‘Dogs’ by our privileged whites who feel free to disrespect living human beings more easily than a symbolic piece of cloth (made in China?).
I am white and raised with all the privileges in a white community that has left traces of racism that are still deep within me, but at least I had the opportunity to serve alongside people that taught me to see people as people not dogs, and to see flags as simple symbols not reality.
Bullshit. Nothing to do with slavery.
This is the same logic you used to create this article.
“Firetrucks are red because they have eight wheels and four people on them, and four plus eight makes twelve, and there are twelve inches in a foot, and one foot is a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was also a ship, and the ship sailed the seas, and there were fish in the seas, and fish have fins, and the Finns fought the Russians, and the Russians are red, and fire trucks are always “Russian” around, so that’s why fire trucks are red!”
I appreciate your use of the word “literally” as well, seeing that your evidence is your own subjective views., which quite literally, makes it not literal at all. but just another agenda pushed opinion.
The English were always promising slaves freedom if they sided with them. At Yorktown Cornwallis did the same thing, then infected the slaves with Smallpox and drove them into the Colonist’s lines.
If u don’t like how u are being treated then obey the law
This writer’s ridiculously erroneous and twisted reading of the second verse is almost comical. (Am I reading The Onion or something?) The author clearly can’t decipher early 19th-century poetry and has absolutely ZERO information aside from some Wikipedia-level understanding of Keys’ life. The second verse doesn’t mean what Schwartz alleges at ALL, and I should know, since I’ve published 4 scholarly articles on Key and his life and writings and am an historian to boot. Mr. Schwartz is guilty of “junk history” and “junk criticism.” It’s laughable, in fact.
Thanks for the history lesson from one perspective…yours.
The lyric you seem to have such fascination with can be interpreted in so many ways. A hireling is a mercenary or hired soldier. I see the lyric saying that NO ONE can escape the horrors of war regardless of your status or position in society.
Typical that racism and the history of slavery- no matter how disgusting it was- has to always be drawn into a discussion in 2016.
Typical that racism and the history of slavery- no matter how disgusting it was- has to always be drawn into a discussion in 2016.
because its never been addressed donut!
Hey Pragmatic THINKER – you are missing the entire point – and Jon – your INTERPRETATION leaves a lot to be desired. How can you KNOW for certainty that Francis Scott Key was happy about slaves dying? What you are a mind reader? PERHAPS he meant that the “hirelings and slaves” were risking their lives by HOLDING that flag upright and he was cheering them. It is all a matter of INTERPRETATION.
And as far as Colin goes He has a right to his opinion – just like belly buttons we all have one. I do not agree, for I love my country and my flag – I just HATE what the majority of people is doing to it. But I will not disrespect his RIGHT to believe as he does.
Dr. Martin Luther King and Jackie Robinson stood up for the National Anthem. They did more for civil rights than this headline-grabbing mansion dweller.
Jackie Robinson: “I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag”
Martin Luther King was, in his time, as reviled by the dominant white community as Kaepernick is now. Whether he stood up for the national anthem is irrelevant — his intellectual/spiritual heirs, like BLM activist and journalist, Shaun King, have decided they also will no longer sing the national anthem.
He’s a Black Lives Matter Tard, has nothing to do with what you’re saying. “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
OH, the white guilt is strong here. Good, good, let it flow through you.
Lmfao how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
you and most of the people who commented need special help.
Please do us all a favor and dont breed
Bravo Mr. Kapernick. I respect your opinion. Regardless of whether I agree with your choice to sit, I am wholeheartedly behind you choosing to quietly sit.
You did nothing to warrant the nasty comments.
I don’t believe your actions were a stunt. You followed your beliefs. You are perfectly within your right to do so. I do not believe that should open you up to threats. It is ludicrous that anyone would be so angry for you voicing your opinion after it was solicited that they would be violent.
You are correct about the fact that to become a police officer, relatively little training and experience is necessary. This fact is indisputable. And I wholeheartedly agree with all of your public statements. Thank you for taking an interest in your community and in important issues.
You’re absolutely right. The US is a racist hell pit. So I assume you’ve already moved to England? Right? Or are you still enjoying all this racist hell pit has to offer? Hypocrite.
Colin became a Muslim last July . Muslims are still involved in the slave trade .
Righter? Really?
Thanks for this piece of history, I hope everyone sees it.
What’s the qualification for the assertion that The Star Spangled Banner is “a musical atrocity?” I didn’t understand that.
It’s based on an English drinking song, “To Anacreon in Heaven”.
Such bogus! Boy that’s a stretch. I don’t translate that as a celebration of the murdering of slaves, it’s a statement of war, no hireling-( a person willing to perform for a fee tasks considered menial or offensive.) The soldiers and at that time the slaves. These hirelings and slave were killed by the British, as Francis Scott Key could only watch as he got caught unaware that the British were going to attach Fort McHenry, at Baltimore. At dawn when he could still see that our American flag was still waving no matter what happen during the night of the attack, and yes that included killing of soldiers and the slaves that fought beside them, the flag was still Triumphantly waving ore the home of the free and the land of the brave. The Flag was not Triumphantly waving because slaves were killed, It was Triumphantly waving because the British did not over take the Fort. if they had it would have be the British flag waving over the killed soldiers and slaves.
No knowledge of history whatsoever. Please do some research on the War of 1812. You’re taking full advantage of your First Amendment right to publish nonsense.
I believe you meant “the last four verses of the third stanza”, and not “the end of the third verse.” A “verse” is a single metric line in a poem, while a “stanza” is two or more lines of poetry which together form one of the divisions of a poem.
Are we really talking about slavery 200 years ago? On how a dude that was raised by white parents, in a country that was created by white people, that is largely populated by white people, that fought a civil war to free another race that many died for, while there is a black president (who is a moron), while this dude get paid 20 million bucks a year to throw a ball!!!!!!! Have you lost your minds. This article is picks and chooses what facts it wants to use with blanket statements. Earth to liberals slavery existed in every history of every culture. Black on white, white on Black, white on white, brown on white etc. If people are made about who, what, and why this country was created, LEAVE!!!! No one is forcing you to stay here. If I really felt I wasn’t wanted somewhere, I would simple leave. Actions will always speak louder than words
If Colin is so frustrated with the deaths of black people perhaps he should start a dialogue within the black community about why so many black men die at the hands of other black men. As a matter of fact, not speculation, on average, 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012, according to the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports. Using FBI and CDC statistics during this same time period 112 black men, on average, suffered both justified and unjustified police-involved deaths. This equals 2.5 percent of these 4,472 yearly deaths. For every black man killed by a police officer, 40 black men were murdered by other black men. The 2.5 percent of this equation generates relentless rage by the BLM but what about the other 97.5 percent? I am glad Colin is so ‘down for the cause’ but his unhappiness is misdirected and ignorantly displayed. If he wants to really address the issues then start this dialogue within the black community and see if that gets him any attention? My guess is he’s not too bright in the research department but definitely considers himself bright as a self-proclaimed ideologue. He needs to get over himself and educate himself on some facts about the leading cause of death for blacks in America.
Why are you so desirous of changing the subject? When armed agents of the state disproportionately kill and assault a racial minority that is sufficient for concern.
NO! He actually addressed the elephant in the room! The black community and their obsession with playing the victim card and their failure to take personal responsibility. “Armed agents of the state”. I have an idea for you. How about we let you and others self-police the black communities. You and Colin, hypocrites!!
African-Americans are entitled to police protection as much as any white people are. The price for that should not be accepting that as armed agents of the state the police may murder and assault them with impunity.
No, he tried to change the subject to one many white people prefer to talk about. Talking about the racism we whites all know gallops among us makes some of us uncomfortable and even angry. Focusing on the cultural issues in black America is simply far more pleasant than facing our own sins.
It doesn’t sound to me like he is changing the subject, I think he is just saying that all black lives matter–not just the ones that are taken by the police.
You’re wrong and haven’t been paying attention. White people resort to this ploy with great frequency. It’s a defense mechanism against the racism we know thrives among us, as evidence by, among other things, the way so many of us talk when there are none of “them” around.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/
Yes, really. Whites are the majority, you know that, right? Blacks are killed far more per capita. But do see the comment by photosymbiosis and my reply directly below.
Well actually the racial distribution of people killed by police officers is statistically identical to the racial makeup of the bottom 15% of the population by wealth – about 50% white, 25% black,24% Latino, 1% other.
The meme of police killing poor people is less acceptable in media circles, because it makes it more of a class war issue than a racial issue, and that really upsets the (very wealthy) people who own the media. However, as the United States devolves towards a world of gated communities surrounded by slums, as in Brazil, we can expect this trend to continue.
Furthermore, as in prisons, elites will benefit from keeping poor blacks, whites and Latinos in conflict with each other (a favored tactic of FBI’s COINTELPRO operations, also seen in prisons) because it helps prevents organized political movements that cross racial boundaries from altering the status quo.
Social control theory, it’s called. Or, as the British Empire referred to it, “the divide and conquer strategy.”
Good post. Very important to remember and remind that, at its core, this is a class issue — the the Bosses love the hell out of it when lower-class whites turn on people of color.
Some of the BLM activists and journalists do highlight the more egregious examples of poorer whites killed by the police. And I know your figures are true. Blacks are disproportionately poor and so are also for that reason, shared with the poor of other ethnic groups, killed more often.
Still, the documented racism that is deeply infested in cop culture does have consequences that play out in their policing of black neighborhoods and people. Blacks are less likely to call the police than whites, for good reasons. They have long experience of finding that it can make a bad situation worse.
I do, on the one hand, endorse a focus on class, but on the other, I understand why many African-Americans don’t want to see the fact of their long-standing and more extreme issues with law enforcement be entirely folded into a larger cause and be thereby obscured. It’s a bit of a thorny issue.
Since when is adding facts changing the subject? If 80% of crime is committed by Lions, and 10% by tigers, 5% by rhinos and the rest by all the other animals of the jungle…then wouldn’t anyone of intelligence EXPECT the majority of the individuals brought to the attention of law enforcement be Lions…even if they only make up 16% of the total animal kingdom???? Or is this too simply too difficult for a kindergarten educated mind to grasp?
Facts are facts…the only result of progressives burying their heads in the sand is that they will not see the elephant running at them to kick their butts…
When it’s not adding facts to the subject at hand.
And this is utterly vapid and silly:
If it’s disproportionate it’s because that same community commits a disproportionate amount of the violent crime in the US. What other response would you expect? You are the one dodging the subject. Black men are more inherently violent than any other social group in America, and there is nothing you can do to disprove that fact.
Something else that cannot be refuted is a body of 250 years worth of documented American history. White American society has made tradition of projecting onto Black Americans their own evils. The whole world knows this. Even in Asia.
Nope. Blacks are killed more than whites in terms of those interacting with law enforcement. This happens far more to blacks than to whites.
That’s racist bullshit. Black males in poor neighborhoods are acculturated to the “war on drugs” dynamic in which black markets engender a huge amount of violence. Further, they are disproportionately arrested and imprisoned for non-violent drug crimes, and prison culture leaves people more violent, including when they are released
In black neighborhoods across the world where blacks are not poor and their communities are not polluted by a “war” on drugs, where they are not extremely disproportionately incarcerated, black males are no more violent than anyone else. The notion that black males are “inherently” more violent is sheer racist shit.
I am so glad you read and responded to that bs… I was reading through and that piece caught my eye and i started to write but very well written response to that bs, and extremely racist comment.. I want to say that comment was comical but it’s actually more sad than anything else and perpetuates a racist stereotype. And this stereotype specifically is the reason that black men are gunned down in the fashion they are.. That statement in and of itself is the reason for the BLM movement and the fact that someone would even take time to type that confirms that we have so much further to go.
Dude, blacks killing blacks should be considered gangs killing gangs (or gang violence). They’re NOT killing each other in ghettos because they’re black, a huge proportion of it is because they’re in a rival gang. There’s a HUGE difference between that and many officers who are sworn to PROTECT AND SERVE but still are quick to pull the trigger on african americans BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK. Heard the story of the 10 year old boy that got shot at by officers that mistook him for someone else? Check it out. That’s exactly the type of behavior I’m talking about. Now let’s go back almost a century and think about who established ghettos too. After slavery was ended blacks were forced into broken down, close quarters called ghettos as a way to keep them oppressed and segregated from whites. To this day that system is still going strong and this is what the outcome is. Just please think about what I’ve said the next time you want to bring up blacks killing blacks.
Typical racist spin on denial disguised as loquacious logic and irrelevant statistics.
Could it be learned behavior from the black man’s plight beginning from the inception of being sold into racism? It has progressed now to a state of genicide.
I’m pretty sure that, if members of whatever racial, ethnic or similar group you identify with — let’s pretend it’s “white” — were being disproportionately rousted, arrested, imprisoned, beaten, tased, shot, killed, etc. by law enforcers, you wouldn’t be here telling us we should ignore that and pay attention to the larger number of whites who are killed other, non-cop, whites.
People are more likely to be victims of violent crimes committed by members of their own class/race/ethnicity, who live in the same neighborhoods, than by very different social groups in other parts of town, the state, the nation, etc.
Fucking duh.
Thanks for the laugh. The shorter Dunning-Kruger: stupid people are too stupid to know how stupid they are, and are supremely confident as a result.
Pragmatic thinker, my ass.
Hey Genius, maybe that’s generally blacks live with blacks and whites with whites? What are you doing about the fact that 83% of whites are killed by other whites? Nothing? Oh, that’s right, all you like doing is finger wagging at people you consider inferior to you. I pity you that your life is so pathetic that the only thing that gives you satisfaction is your “pride” in being accidentally born white. I always though pride should be reserved for something you achieved on your own but whatever helps you rationalize your hatred of blacks.
from wikipedia. just google the sentence. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.
And maybe you can tell us why so many White men die at the hands of other White men. Or do you know anything at all about crime other than what circles as news at The Rush Limbaugh Center for Bullshit.
I generally avoid just putting a stamp on someone’s comment, but that particular talking point that the self described “pragmatic thinker’, and the way that the self described “pragmatic thinker’ dripped of snot-nosed phony ‘pragmatistness’ in his or her delivery, caused me to more than usual want to say, ‘Yep” to all of that. Also, since when has bragging to the point of labeling oneself ‘pragmatic’ become desirable? Ick.
The original verses are irrelevant. Nobody knows them. People celebrate the country and anthem for what it represents, now. If the original verses are so relevant, then the fact that blacks sold other blacks into slavery, that prosperous blacks owned slaves in the US, that the freed blacks who went back to Africa and founded Liberia now run plantations with indentured servants and continue to do so today should be relevant, but strangely it is not. If those aspects are not relevant, than neither is this stupidity.
Hmmm. . . causes of the 1812 War. What was that all about, anyway? My research effort turns up:
Smithosonian history site:
Gosh that seems a bit brief. . . what specific aspects of “Britain’s intereference” are we talking about?
Here we go: http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_155.html
So, while the U.S. banned the import of slaves in 1807, it appears that American-flagged ships were still carrying slaves from Africa to Brazil, Cuba, etc., and not participating in the British naval anti-slavery effort – which, however, had some ulterior motives. The subtext to this British effort is reminiscent of American “humanitarian interventions” in Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, etc.:
Nevertheless, it seems clear that the U.S. aided and abetted the slave trade throughout the first half of the nineteenth century, up through 1862:
So, to sum up, the U.S. banned the import of slaves from 1807 onwards, but American ships were active in the slave trade through 1862, just not importing them into the U.S., but to other New World regions; British interference with that traffic led Congress to declare war on Britain in 1812.
Jeez, they don’t teach you that aspect of it in high school history class, do they? A war fought to preserve the right of American ships to participate in the slave trade? Ah. . . must have been the first of the “free trade” treaties, the original TPP / NAFTA.
You took an article with no citations, You picked and chose and paraphrased to fit your agenda, and you presented that as an argument. Nice try.
“. . .after Abraham Lincoln became President in 1860, he prevented slave ships being built or fitted out in the northern States. . .”
Sounds like the U.S. was actively engaged in the slave trade business up through 1860, doesn’t it? Even though the import of slaves was banned in 1807. Plus, you seem not to have looked at the sources for that article, which are linked in the text, for example:
http://abolition.e2bn.org/source_11.html
Why not look up Congressional speeches from 1812 to see why the U.S. declared war on Britain, if you doubt that it was about British interference with American ships hauling slaves to Brazil and Cuba?
You think Congress always tells the truth? Congress was claiming that Iraq had WMDs and backed Al-Quaida- and it wasn’t just Republicans who said that! (Notably, Hillary Clinton was one of them.)
We will teach Americans to conform and failure to conform to the American way of life and our national anthem then we will drag you out of this nation. Conform is good because it means you know you live in this nation and not being a anarchist. These anti conformist like Glenn Beck, George Soros, Colin Kaepernick need to pack up and take their followers. Theodore Roosevelt once said those who hate our nation have no place in our society.
Man, you must need a healthy regimen of critical theory brainwashing to read this much into a song. Next you should write about how “Hail to the Cheif” supports Native American “genocide” and the patriarchy.
Fire his butt. He sleeps under the very blanket of freedom this country provides. Deshaun Watson, Chad. Kelly, Josh Rosen, Luke Falk would gladly replace him. Find another country Colin.
Fire his butt. He sleeps under the very freedom our country provides.. 49ers – he is not all that. Move to another country. So many quarterbacks more qualified. Joe Montana is probably horrified. Do the 49ers really want to pay this man to defy our country?
You are a fucking idiot. The only accomplishment you have is to throw a ball. If you couldn’t do that, you wouldn’t have shit…which is all you have for brains.
Kudos on a great, informative and timely article! Many have been pushing for a new anthem for years (America the Beautiful?). Now’s the time to make it HAPPEN!
so even 200 years ago it was the same? the USA blacks obvious tendency/obsession for tribalism being exploited; pwnd & manipulated by powers that be, domestic and foreign, to serve their purposes, such as fueling a culture/economy of pride/ conflict, dividing population for control, or assisting/insighting unrest? well nothin new there. +200yrs and there’s still only one race. the rat race, and the circumstances that your parents decided to bring you in to.
I think the point is that this football player is implying that the US National Anthem and what it represents should be considered “un-pc” and in the name of social justice he doesn’t want to support it. I find a whole lot that is wrong in that attitude, and even more that is wrong with this article and its glossy treatment of the British (one of the most brutal empires in history up until the 20th century), but what bugs me most is that this protest of police could not be at a worse time – when police are needed most in black dominated urban communities like Chicago and Milwaukee that have just had 20 year record shootings and homicides. This uptick seems to correlate with low police morale and the constant propagating of hatred and violence against the police by people such as members of the BLM movement. I personally am avidly opposed to living in a police state, but it is clearly a false consciousness that drives this alienation of police protection from these vulnerable neighborhoods whose primarily impoverished, black inhabitants commit high rates of murder and violent assault. If you want to save black lives, encourage the police as a whole to do better and then thank them for what they’ve done. If you want black people to keep killing each other (90 percent of black homicides are by other blacks) then blame the police for black loss of life, attack them, and discourage them from doing their jobs.
Spoken like a true white man!
Colin really demonstrates courage in doing this and it will not be easy for him.
There may be a cop or two or … that would love to find an excuse to pull him over.
He has just lost himself a fortune in endorsements, but he has decided to follow his conscience so someone in his background or upbringing has made a real difference. Can we bottle what he has and make a spray of it so it can be used to mist all three branches of our most corrupt state and federal government members.
You have to spray a far more potent dose of the stuff on citizens first.
Then will you please leave America. I suggest you move to China. To the Anti Conformity people out their you must not like our laws and traditions.
Kaepernick is following his conscience, but what influences his conscience?
Much of this thread is debating Francis Scott Key and words in the Star-Spangled Banner that are mostly ignored. But Kaepernick is presuming to protest about America now, not some constructs of nineteenth-century American history. Does his protest about America as a nation make a coherent statement?
Yes.
And among other things, it has generated the discussion in this thread.
Who cares? The end of the third verse is sufficient for discussion, even if that makes many unhappy.
Yes it certainly does.
Yeah I am with Kaepernick and I am a 61 year old white woman. Get off his back, stop being so brainwashed and narrow minded and let him speak! Somebody, we all need to, get it together in seeing us all as humans. We gotta do something to fix all these problems.
Wow. You guys are pretty clueless. First of all, Kaepernick wasn’t protesting the national anthem. He was protesting the country. If the national anthem were God Bless America or Happy Birthday, he still wouldn’t have stood up. So your heads are up your asses on that score.
Second, the verse in question is talking about not heading back into servitude to England. The reference to “slave” is NOT about American slavery. It’s about impressment. “Slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of impressment – kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships.
So your heads are up your asses on that score, too.
Well done! A twofer!
Funny how so many people are upset about Kaerpernick – but it’s just because football is often used to promote aggressive militaristic nationalism, not social equality. I’m surprised nobody’s mentioned George Carlin’s classic riff on baseball vs. football, so here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhN1ExFCXNA
As far as the British vs. the Americans and the slave trade, well, the history there is kind of grim no matter what side you are on. There are good sites on this: see [ British Involvement in the Transatlantic Slave Trade ] and [ African Participation and Resistance to the Trade ].
Speaking of maritime insureance, that’s how Lloyd’s of London got started. Well, insuring those slave ships against loss to piracy and shipwreck was a major part of their business. Nobody should be surprised that Lloyds, one of the first corporations formed after the Dutch East India Company, played a huge role in the slave business. The corporate mindset is that anything that earns a profit is good; any other considerations interfere with “free markets.” Which is always bad. What a load of self-justifying B.S.
However, it can’t all be blamed on European colonial-corporate powers, since the slave trade predated European involvement in it:
There’s some real nutters on this thread, though, claiming slavery was a better option than staying in Africa. They could probably sell themselves into an indentured labor situation somewhere in China, I bet, if they think it’s such a great idea.
“They could probably sell themselves into an indentured labor situation somewhere in China…”
No need to go to such an expense when there’s a Walmart and an Army recruiting office a few miles away. And for the especially unskilled there are careers in Surveillance Role Playing.
We cannot say all of this while also completely leaving out the fact that Great Britain fully participated in the Slave Trade and would have intended to SELL said 6,000 “freed” persons back into its own system of servitude. Guys, it was a very different, very flawed and dark time. We cannot expect to observe it through our modern political glass, and not be disappointed at what we see.
Who even cares about this mediocre at best qb? Might as well have been Jay Cutler. All this is doing is distracting us Americans from the real issues at hand. Ummm….November is coming soon.
RE: Benito Mussolini -> Aug. 28 2016, 11:20 p.m. BRT
“Of course, times change and while Roman citizens may have been content with bread and circuses, Americans, with the increasing sophistication derived from the passage of 2,000 years, demand beer and football. But the principle is the same.”
I am mortified by a football habit formed just after the Pokes lost to Cheese-Heads in the Ice Bowl, but I’m still hoping NFL jingoism is the antidote.
In a letter addressed to 49ers hierarchy the San Francisco Police Union does what police unions all over the country are so good at doing: make asses of themselves and reinforce the disgust for the actions of police by writing a bone-stupid denial and self congratulatory letter in the face of the exposure to their “officer involved shootings” and the like.
SF Police send scathing letter to Jed York regarding Kaepernick’s comments
The SF police officer’s union is notorious for defending crooked cops against prosecution no matter what they get up to, be it drug dealing or prostitution or murder:
http://sfist.com/2014/03/18/sf_police_union_raffling_off_prizes.php
“. . .including a vacation to Ireland. . .”
A quick glance at the long, rich history of nepotism in the SFPD will reveal the delicious irony of that one.
“. . .total lack of sensitivity towards police officers.”
Poor things. Guns, badges and near-total immunity and there crummy little feelings are still easily hurt. Maybe we should get together and recommend some “safe spaces” for them.
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Edit button please, Graun — I mean, “TI.” ;^(
Maybe this wasn’t the best way for Kaepernick to protest but since the offending part of the anthem has been removed from performances and I don’t recall ever hearing it, why do we need a whole new anthem? What about songs that talk about killing police, whitey, etc? Instead of changing one song, why not outlaw all racist words and speech, especially the N word and variations (nigger, nigga, niggy, etc.) no matter who speaks them? If blacks don’t want whites using these words they should lead by example and stop using them themselves, no excuses.
are you a stupid ass?…really
Wait now one minute.. This is the twisting of a lyric to fit a narrative .. that line ”
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave. ” was saying no one could escape the conflict had not a blessed thing to do with the murdering of slaves. This whole issue makes no more sense than saying “Dreaming of a White Christmas” should be banned because somone found the concept of a white christmas as offensive . IS it not time we needed to stop dwelling on the distant past and deal with the here and now???
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
I’m still not sure why anyone thinks it makes sense to judge people and events of the past through an ethnocentric and culturally modern lens. This article and likewise train of thought is the bastardization of history, empathy, logic, and progress.
Thank you, and I’d simply add that it contributes to the “bastardization” of politics in the current era. Appreciate your thoughts.
You don’t have to judge them. But what’s wrong with acknowledging that these “traditions” that are held so highly today, are based on outdated principles. Why must “tradition” be revered. Tradition is shit humans used to do a 100 years ago, when they didn’t know what an electron was. Why is it so important to some people to seek greatness in the lies of tradition. The song wasn’t even the US national anthem until 1931. The Us had already won a World War without the song. Why is it so necessary?
When I first came to the US, I was told, that the song had to do with fighting the British. The song was about American independence. This is clearly false. Why is it necessary to perpetuate this nonsense to children, to maintain a sense of greatness? What about all the Black people and Native people who’re also Amercians? Aren’t their feelings more important than the necessity to maintain some tradition based on lies???
For instance, I personally don’t blame Jefferson for being a slave owner (I do blame him for probably having non consensual sex with his slave). He was a businessman and it was within the morals of his time. Moreover, I’ve read his writings on slavery, and how it needed to end, but the solutions were difficult. He was clearly ahead of his time, and quite educated on Roman slavery. So while I don’t personally blame Jefferson, could you blame me if I did, were I Black? How is your right to a glorious past more important than the right of an oppressed minority to feel that their government cares enough about them to acknowledge the past and teach the truth? How?
@ atheistinchief
Well said!
Most of what you wrote is a response to issues I didn’t raise; and falsely suggests that my argument aligns with that against which you’re arguing.
A few of points:
First, my point was/is that Schwarz’s entire article, while wrongly conflating the Star Spangled Banner with Kaepernick’s reason for sitting, is an ethnocentric and culturally modern critique of something written 200+ years ago. He uses a specious argument to interpret the lyrics and justify the critique; and while doing so, casually asserts that people’s opinions are racially (rather than culturally) based.
Second, addressing your comments –
“You don’t have to judge them,” yet people (Schwarz included) do.
“Why is it so important to some people to seek greatness in the lies of tradition.” That’s completely irrelevant. I didn’t argue whether or not tradition is good or bad, nor whether we should keep it. I argued that Schwarz’s assessment is unacademic, culturally biased, un-journalistic, and detrimental to people’s understanding of history, empathy, logic, and progress.
“The song was about American independence. This is clearly false.” Support your argument. How is that clearly false?
“What about all the Black people and Native people who’re also Americans?”
What about them?? Are you, too, suggesting that all black and native people think alike because they’re black and native? That’s quintessentially racist.
“So while I don’t personally blame Jefferson, could you blame me if I did, were I Black?” Again, you assert that opinions are racially based.
“How is your right to a glorious past more important than the right of an oppressed minority to feel that their government cares enough about them to acknowledge the past and teach the truth?” Neither of those are rights, and they have nothing to do with what I’m discussing.
Again, Schwarz’s entire article, while wrongly conflating the Star Spangled Banner with Kaepernick’s reason for sitting, is an ethnocentric and culturally modern critique of something written 200+ years ago. He uses a specious argument to interpret the lyrics and justify the critique; and while doing so, casually asserts that people’s opinions are racially (rather than culturally) based. I’m still not sure why anyone thinks it makes sense to judge people and events of the past through an ethnocentric and culturally modern lens.
Fair enough. I was responding to how your post made me feel. Zero acknowledgement of the story told by the article.
Where did Schwartz do this? Where in the article did Schwartz say that Kaepernick’s reason for sitting was the racism inherent in the song?
I’m not sure what I can say that will convince you. The article clearly says this song is about the war of 1812. If you wiki it: “The lyrics come from “Defence of Fort M’Henry”,[2] a poem written on September 14, 1814.” So it doesn’t come from the American war of independence so it is clearly false. Unfortunately I cannot do better than that as evidence. People believe in God on much less.
Okay, I’ll give you that. Maybe I should have said some. But it makes me wonder if your self righteousness about what is racist and what is not racist has any good intentions behind it.
I know White people who hate Jefferson more than Black people do. So the opinion is not really racially based. I was just empathizing with somebody who was black and thought Jefferson was an asshole.
Anyway, at this point I’m of the opinion a conversation with you is ridiculous and pointless. You’re not interested in what minorities think. You’re only interested in the Charlton Heston version of those “great white men” who “built this country.” (don’t come back to me about how you didn’t mention all these things I’m talking about. You’re talking about them alright. You’re just not saying it.)
Schwartz didn’t conflate shit. And what your intention is, other than to judge Schwartz instead of that slave owning asshole Key, is beyond me. And you sir, don’t know what bastardization of empathy is.
“Where did Schwartz do this?”
Well first, my mentioning “wrongly conflating the Star Spangled Banner with Kaepernick’s reason for sitting” is merely an aside and is not central to the statement I made. But to your question, as the title of the article states:
Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery
As readers, are we not led to believe that Kaepernick is “right” about the very part of the sentence that follows the assertion?…that part behind the colon? Doesn’t ‘being right,’ in the provided context, inherently suggest that Kaepernick’s sitting was a statement on the national anthem?
Anyway, my point was/is that Schwarz’s entire article is an ethnocentric and culturally modern critique of something written 200+ years ago. He uses a specious argument to interpret the lyrics and justify the critique; and while doing so, casually asserts that people’s opinions are racially (rather than culturally) based.
“I’m not sure what I can say that will convince you.” – Facts and/or a reasoned argument. All I previously got from you was a bold assertion with nothing to support it.
You said, “When I first came to the US, I was told, that ***the song had to do with fighting the British [and] The song was about American independence.*** This is clearly false.”
So you say the song isn’t about American independence via fighting the British, yet your method of proving this is to say “The article clearly says this song is about the war of 1812.”
Do you not see how that’s a bit contradictory? Can you see how that’s not clear to me?
“So it doesn’t come from the American ***war*** of independence” – This is where the problem is….No one said it did. We/you said “American independence,” not “war of Independence.”
“Okay, I’ll give you that. Maybe I should have said some. But it makes me wonder if your self righteousness about what is racist and what is not racist has any good intentions behind it.”
You concede that I was correct in pointing out your (albeit unaware) racist methodology, yet seem to assert that pointing it out is ‘self righteous.’ How exactly do you draw that conclusion, and what does your question ad hominem have to do with the veracity of my argument??
“I know White people who hate Jefferson more than Black people do. So the opinion is not really racially based.” That’s a non sequitur. In posing the same question twice based solely on the criterium that the variable is race, your implicit hypothesis is that race affects/determines opinion. If you misspoke, fine….but that’s what your statements say.
“Anyway, at this point I’m of the opinion[…]” That last paragraph is purely baseless, emotional, vicious, racist character assassination that has no relation to my opinions. You even point out that you can’t actually prove it, you ‘just know it;’ and yet ironically try to extoll your ’empathy.’ That’s impressive.
Did you read the first paragraph of the article where Schwarz says “When he explained why, he only spoke about the present?” Or do you just like to make up facts in your head as it pleases you?
And what’s the difference between “American Independence” and “Amercian war of Independence” in terms of context, when we’re talking about which subject a song written about a battle that took place in 1812, written in 1814 is about?
Actually… I give up. You win. You’re not a racist. I’m making this whole shit up about how you believe in White Supremacy up in my head, and has nothing to do with what you wrote, and how you wrote it. I bet you don’t even like Charlton Heston. That’s another thing I just made up in my head. And empathy, it just oozes right through every word you write.
“Did you read the first paragraph of the article where Schwarz says[…]”
Yes. Does that do anything to address/refute the questions you didn’t answer??….
Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery
“As readers, are we not led to believe that Kaepernick is “right” about the very part of the sentence that follows the assertion?…that part behind the colon? Doesn’t ‘being right,’ in the provided context, inherently suggest that Kaepernick’s sitting was a statement on the national anthem?”
“And what’s the difference between ‘American Independence’ and ‘Amercian war of Independence'” One is an event in a specific period in time, and the other is a nationalistic ideal. The difference is huge. You made the assertion that the following is “clearly false” – “the song had to do with fighting the British [and…] was about American independence.” That’s exactly what the song is about, as even you noted.
“I’m making this whole shit up”
Yes. Yes you absolutely are. And you reiterate that in your sarcastic mockery/tirade ad hominem…
Note that your attack is a deflection from the points you failed to address, and note that you’ll never cite anything in my comments to support your ethically bankrupt accusations.
Right. I’m the one who has to prove that a song written in 1814 about a battle in 1812 is not about the American independence or American “war” of independence.
You fucking retard. Come back when you’re able to finish reading a sentence or.
I’m writing a book of ad hominems just for you. It’ll be signed by Charlton Heston.
“I’m the one who has to prove that a song written in 1814 about a battle in 1812 is not about the American independence or American “war” of independence.”
Again, you’re contradicting yourself. Your first assertion was that the song was not about “fighting the British” or “American Independence.” Then you argued that it was in fact about those things, and then you changed that to ‘Revolutionary War’ and decided to burn your own straw man.
***Note that your attack is a deflection from the -points you failed to address,- and note that you’ll never cite anything in my comments to support your ethically bankrupt accusations.***
Your behavior is more in line with classic sock-puppetry -rife with deflection, division, insult, circular logic, inconsistency, and ridicule ad hominem- rather than someone interested in a discussion. Address the points or stop engaging.
Yeah sure, that’s exactly what Kaepernick had in mind. Not.
Wow, that was an amazing attempt at intellectual superiority, though it lacks both intellect and twists history in a plebeian attempt to find a straw to hold onto in this debate.
While Key, was a slave owner back in 1814, the vast majority of the population actually was racist at that time, so saying the man was racist so the poem was also would make all of our founding documents, up through and passed the time of the civil war, also so. Even Abe Lincoln wasn’t for full integration and equal citizenship during his time, so I guess the Emancipation was also racist, correct?
Does it matter that Key didn’t write the ‘National Anthem’, that he wrote a poem and the first verse was adopted as the Anthem many years later?
OK. The passage Schwartz used is taken completely out of context. Here is the verse in its entirety:
“And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!”
Clearly, it is not celebrating slavery. It is saying that there was no refuge for hirelings [not slaves] and slaves except in America. Also, slaves were often sailors taken as prisoners or bush whacked men in bars or whatnot taken by force by British press gangs.
I mean, we could say the very same thing about the Bill of Rights because slaves had no rights. Or we could declare the US Constitution a “celebration of slavery” until the Emancipation Proclamation. Schwartz is way off base here then ends his op-ed piece with that “You can decide for yourself whether there’s some connection” wimp-out. I think this guy is just trying to make a name for himself.
Further, you have to take the lyrics as a whole not cherry pick parts of it then make some unqualified and specious point like Schwartz did to create a straw man.
What’s the big deal about a bit of un-PC speech?
Who is the Patriot here? Levi Strauss, who sells their products in the US & has their name on a stadium that taxpayers built but doesn’t pay any taxes in this country worth billions.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of “Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was an important cause of the War of 1812″
There is grasping at straws, and then there is Jon Schwarz.
Because as far as I can tell, the anthem is a celebration of a military victory over the British who, lest we forget, were fully complicit in slavery and the slave trade.
And while there may have been some unsavory undertones contained within the anthem, it’s hardly a “celebration of slavery” as the author alleges.
That’s not to say there aren’t aspects of American history, including Key’s political and legal legacy, that are shameful and immoral, because they are, but that does not mean we have to let everything about that period or Key’s in particular be defined exclusively by the existence and defense of slavery.
A rational response!
Give the guy a medal!
And how is it murder? He put, in italics, the anthem “literally celebrates the murder” of African-Americans. Death in combat is “murder”?
How far can you really tell??… without being alive during the war with the British, or without opening a history book, or without obviously even reading up on your national anthem on wikepedia? How far can you really tell?
Come on, the period 1800-1850 was one of the ugliest in American history, even if we ignore slavery (which we shouldn’t) – characterized by genocide of native Americans (their explusion from the southern U.S. to make way for larger plantations), the rise of the federalists and corporate banking, widespread corruption – a really ugly time period. Trying to make it all sweet and pretty for the sake of feel-good historical fairy-tales is not necessary.
You are free to leave the country then. Don’t let the door kick you on the way out.
Translation: “I am very annoyed that Jon Schwarz set out the historical record about the national anthem and the virulently racist, pro-slavery author of the lyrics. Talking about these facts makes me unhappy.”
Unhappy = sitting in your house trolling for 6+ hours in a row on an obscure message board, spewing pseudo-intellectual amateur psychology to justify angry, racially motivated re-writing of US history to suit a 21st century SJW/BLM agenda.
Sweet baby Jesus, first your fixation on “deconstructionism,” and now I’m an “SJW.”
Facts matter. They matter even if they make rightwing Americans unhappy. Your various assertions and deployment of snarl words does not change that.
Hmm, so this guy takes pleasure in the death of those who committed treason, and somehow it is racist? I could see how you could call it hypocritical, but racist? I dont think so, not based on what you wrote here. However, you are a prime example of one of the big problems in this country, race baiters. Regardless of the facts, you make EVERYTHING about race and racism, and are one of the big reasons racism still exists! This country would be a lot better of if you would just keep to yourselves.
Also, Kaepernick has said absolutely NOTHING about ANYTHING to do with the Star Spangled Banner. He mentioned a flag, a country, and allude to cops killing black people. This entire article is a complete crock, and you should be embarrassed as a journalist to have written it.
So he’s oppressed in a counteybwhere he had the freedom to disrespect our flag and military while making $19million+ a year doing it? Right. That totally makes sense.
Paradox alert.
The Smithsonian site has a piece documenting Francis Scott Key’s virulent racism and ardent pro-slavery views and activities.
Whole thing: Where’s the Debate on Francis Scott Key’s Slave-Holding Legacy?
WTF?
I know. Delving into Key’s inglorious career promoting slavery and trying to gag abolitionists is certainly useful for those who disingenuously argue that his third stanza of the anthem had nothing to do with black slaves.
Again,mining 17th 18th 19th and even 20th century mans attitudes in just about any area compared to modern mans is an exercise in dumb.
And guess what,it seems 21st century people are regressing in many areas,as the Israelites are backed by the US govt in 19th century aggression and ethnic cleansing!Again,what a hoot!
Is it bottled water?:)
I drink it as little as possible.:)
Idiot wants to talk ethnic cleansing by Israel? Blacks have cleansed more Blacks in Chicago than Israel has done to the Palestinians.
Or is that too much WHITEsplaining for you?
Listen you racist piece of shit, Blacks kill more Blacks than people of other races. Whites kill more Whites, than people of other races. Asians kill more Asians than people of other races. People don’t murder any Tom, Dick and Harry. They usually murder people they already know, which are usually people within their ethnicity.
Take your black on black crime bullshit back to Israel, where you can spew your filth about how Palestinians kill more Palestinians than Israel.
Your mother drank while she was pregnant with you didn’t she? How else could she have raised such an ignorant, hateful piece of shit. 83% of whites are killed by other whites. What are you doing to fix that? Nothing? Oh, you just love sitting on your high horse and wagging your finger at people you consider to be inferior. I pity you, I really do.
That is simply another ploy for avoiding historical facts you find unpleasant. The entire enterprise of the field of American history is about such “mining.” That is what the Smithsonian is dedicated to doing, you moron.
Palestinians attacked Israelis so Palestinians are the aggressors.
Oh swell, the site’s most persistent, annoying, lying, error-ridden and vacuous hasbara troll pops in to post verbatim one of his hasbara talking points for the gazillionth time. A talking point he’s seen debunked nearly as often as he’s spewed it.
The Zionist racist, Jack Green, is spewing hasbara at the antisemitic, jingoistic Trump fanatic, dahoit. Is the Internet great or what?
If there were such a thing as hell you two should be locked in a room together for eternity.
Francis Scott Key’s stance on slavery was varied, or hypocritical, depending on how you would like to view it:
“Mostly in the 1830s, Key manumitted (set free) seven slaves, one of whom (Clem Johnson) continued to work for him for wages as his farm’s foreman, supervising several slaves.”
“Key was considered a decent master, and publicly criticized slavery’s cruelties, so much that after his death a newspaper editorial stated ‘So actively hostile was he to the peculiar institution that he was called ‘The Nigger Lawyer’ …. because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa. Mr. Key convinced me that slavery was wrong–radically wrong.'” (Wikipedia, citing “What so Proudly We Hailed: Francis Scott Key, A Life”, Marc Leepson 2014)
Key was anti-abolitionist, but “represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (for free).” He was a founding member of the American Colonial Society, which sought to emigrate free blacks to Africa. The efforts of the ACS were a way to remove a “troublesome” part of the population, i.e., those who were free and might set an example for those who were still slaves. The country of Liberia was the result of those efforts.
Key, like many white Southerners of that era, was apparently ambivalent about the “peculiar institution” of slavery.
No it did not. He was strongly in favor of it. In that same wiki entry it says:
If you think it’s a great redemption that he wasn’t especially cruel to the human beings he owned, well ok then. And of course he wanted freed blacks sent out of the country — he was a racist who didn’t want them here. That was a common position, and altho shared by some abolitionists, it was widely embraced by pro-slavers for emancipated slaves.
You’re doing the same thing that Jon Schwarz and some of the participants in this thread do: select the information that supports your point of view and ignore everything else. This is a standard courtroom tactic, but it doesn’t advance understanding in a forum such as this.
The “information that supports my view” is not undermined by the irrelevant information you offer as distraction.
Standard in the courtroom is rejecting or ignoring evidence that is irrelevant. The Rules of Evidence are rooted in and guided by principles of formal logic. Whether as a matter of formal logic, the Rules of Evidence — or an informal discussion in a comments section — irrelevant material cannot undermine that which is relevant.
Francis Scott Key’s stance on slavery was varied, or hypocritical, depending on how you would like to view it:
“Mostly in the 1830s, Key manumitted (set free) seven slaves, one of whom (Clem Johnson) continued to work for him for wages as his farm’s foreman, supervising several slaves.”
“Key was considered a decent master, and publicly criticized slavery’s cruelties, so much that after his death a newspaper editorial stated ‘So actively hostile was he to the peculiar institution that he was called ‘The Nigger Lawyer’ …. because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa. Mr. Key convinced me that slavery was wrong–radically wrong.’” (Wikipedia, citing “What so Proudly We Hailed: Francis Scott Key, A Life”, Marc Leepson 2014)
Key was anti-abolitionist, but “represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (for free).” He was a founding member of the American Colonial Society, which sought to emigrate free blacks to Africa. The efforts of the ACS were a way to remove a “troublesome” part of the population, i.e., those blacks who were free and might set an example for those who were still slaves. The country of Liberia was the result of those efforts.
Key, like many white Southerners of that era, was apparently ambivalent about the “peculiar institution” of slavery.
I’ll be frank, I don’t care about the anthem’s “racist” origins. I don’t care about the history behind all this. Honestly I don’t even care about Kaepernick sitting down, he has a right to do so if he chooses. But to so audaciously and carelessly dissrespect our nation, the nation who has afforded him MILLIONS just to play football (badly I might add) just shows how vain and ignorant he really is. He may claim this is all in the name of Justice and black pride but this is simply the disgusting cry for attention from a shitty athlete who doesn’t care if he shits on the hopes and dreams of his fellow countrymen.
Fuck Kaepernick.
Very interesting indeed… and I would be more than happy to strike verse 3 from our national anthem… but it’s irrelevant to the Kaepernick situation. He is not protesting anything related to the lyrics of the national anthem. In fact, he is probably as unaware of verse 3 as the vast majority of people who read your column. Kaepernick is protesting not a tiny portion of this country, but an ENTIRE nation that, by his estimation, is guilty of oppressing African-Americans and all other people of color. A nation, by the way, that affords him the opportunity to become a multi-millionaire playing a game, and the privilege of utterly disrespecting it. For this, he is worthy of the disrespect of those who have the same freedom to disrespect him.
Slavery was still legal in Britain at the time of the War of 1812…so let’s not try to say that way an act out of pure morality
Sources please.
Slavery was not “legal” in Britain in 1812. Legally, there could be no slaves in Britain since 1785. It was legal in British territories, until 1833.
wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
candidates for new nAtional Anthem?
How bout Alright by Kendrick Lamar?
by his righteousness, honesty, courage, and exercise of freedom of speech for contrast shall we see the cowards buried in victimhood.
Or Maybe The Practice Of Worshiping A False God That Has Wholly Abandoned You Is Actually Ludicrous
Ah,the atheist nihilist!A most prevalent modern affliction I notice.Sad.
Spiritualism has many facets,the most important being a belief in some purpose for our existence.
Have a nice day.
You sir are a pile of crap who’s trying to destroy American history. I for one think that yes he has the right to sit down during the National Anthem but don’t try to say he’s right because he’s not. And I don’t care if anyone has a problem with what I said.
I have an MA in US history. This article is spot on. American history is as ugly as it is glorious. Pretending like the parts you don’t like don’t exist is NOT history. It’s myth making for the service of indoctrination, i.e. propaganda.
There is a lot of amazing things in our history that I am proud of and interested in. I specifically focused on the revolution and the founding of the nation because it interests me so much. But there is a lot of tragedy that we need to remember and acknowledge if we are to move forward. I know it’s difficult. But it’s real and we need to talk about it.
Oh that’s nothing. Did you know that Big Rock Candy Mountain is actually about Hobo rape?
The punk rolled up his big blue eyes
And said to the jocker, “Sandy,
I’ve hiked and hiked and wandered too,
But I ain’t seen any candy.
I’ve hiked and hiked till my feet are sore
And I’ll be damned if I hike any more
To be buggered sore like a hobo’s whore
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.”
Yeah they didn’t teach you that one in school either.
Kaepernick’s protest if right. I have known the racist sentiment of this ‘national athem” for a long time. He also has the right protest because it is the American way. Those fools who knock him are ignorant. Not only that but the song itself is terrible. It is very hard to sing and most people murder it when singing it on public places. I much prefer the French national anthem. It sounds great and it is emotional. For years people have called for a new American anthem. This is not new.
If you like the French national anthem then move there.
France?The nation rejecting every principle their phony asses issue by their rabid Islamaphobia,against terror they created by following zionist dictates of invasion and murder?What a hoot!viva sarkosi?nein.
The absurdity of calling covered up people a threat to decency is most illuminating of the zionist mastery of that former great nation.
Love it — it being war and torture, anywhere, anytime, no explanation necessary — or leave it patriots prove the “land of the free and home of the brave” is neither.
New rules: if you found your argument printed on a bumper sticker, your disqualified.
Actually, we have free speech too. We can criticize him if we want.
I like the “Internationale.”
No refuge could save the hireling (indetured servant) and slave (eternal African)
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O’er the land of the free(euro-american) and the home of the brave (american indians).
Nailed it. Brave has to be referring to the American Indian and I never thought of it that way until now.
Jon Schwarz makes a seemingly insightful attempt at justifying Kaepernick’s behavior based on the Star-Spangled Banner having verses relating to racism. However, his analysis is flawed.
First, Kaepernick hasn’t cited any verses of the Star-Spamgled Banner as a reason for his protest(s). I doubt that he is any more aware of the third verse of the national anthem than most Americans. Kaepernick has been quoted thusly: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color…” His protest is over the American flag, and the associated national anthem, as symbols of the country, not because the national anthem itself has racist content.
Second, quoting part of the third verse is a selective way to make a point. Let’s
look at the entire third verse:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Whom is Key referring to here? Slaves or former slaves? Or to some other faction? Or both? The reference in the first three lines is to those who expressed opinions that the United States of America would be defeated and would cease to exist, at least as constituted since 1787. Whom, specifically, Key was referring to is a tropic for further research. The fourth states that those defeatists have suffered for their stance, by “their blood”. In other words, they have been casualties of the war. This could refer to former slaves in the service of the British, or to anyone who had make statements about America being defeated. More than 150 years after Key wrote his verses, what Key meant is ambiguous.
Jon Schwarz’s history and textual analysis are correct: What So Proudly We Hail.
I don’t see how Jon Schwarz’s “textual analysis”, such as it is, could be accurate when he focuses on a (small) part of the text.
Whom do you think Key was referring to as:
…that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
If you’re interested in further textual analysis see some of Doug Salzmann’s comments, like this one.
Salzmann’s point — that Key was probably not referring to impressed American sailors — is reasonable, but it doesn’t have anything to do with what I have stated.
Ok. Well Doug is the guy more into greater textual analysis. My interest is the ending of the third verse and what reputable authorities say about it. Including in the short documentary: What So Proudly We Hail
you should try writing comedy – because you cant help yourself
You “dont” say…
I did some digging: Here is an interpretation of what Keys was referring to relative to slaves and hirelings:
“Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity.”
Schwartz is applying 21st Century morality to Early 19th Century language use and the meaning or time period usage therein.
you should post this kind of articles on steemit
Jon Schwarz makes a seemingly insightful attempt at justifying Kaepernick’s behavior based on the Star-Spangled Banner having verses relating to racism.
However, his analysis is flawed.
First, Kaepernick hasn’t cited any verses of the Star-Spamgled Banner as a reason for his protest(s). I doubt that he is any more aware of the third verse of the national anthem than most Americans. Kaepernick has been quoted thusly: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color…” His protest is over the American flag, and the associated national anthem, as symbols of the country, not because the national anthem itself has racist content.
Second, quoting part of the third verse is a selective way to make a point. Let’s
look at the entire third verse:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Whom is Key referring to here? Slaves or former slaves? Or to some other faction? Or both? The reference in the first three lines is to those who expressed opinions that the United States of America would be defeated and would cease to exist, at least as constituted since 1787. Whom, specifically, Key was referring to is a tropic for further research. The fourth states that those defeatists have suffered for their stance, by “their blood”. In other words, they have been casualties of the war. This could refer to former slaves in the service of the British, or to anyone who had make statements about America being defeated. More than 150 years after Key wrote his verses, what Key meant is ambiguous.
Schwarz gains attention by bucking a trend of resentment against Kaepernick, but he cheats. He should do more research.
Basically, every political statement is bound to result in mass butthurt from empty-headed reich-wingers.
Bwahaha, Wow, what a stretch. Now I’ve heard everything.
All you hypocrites do know that all your ancestors post CW came here knowing that they were coming to a nation carved from native dispossession,was a racially segregated and or divided by racial issue entity,had practiced slavery,and was predominantly of another religion,Protestantism.And they still came in droves,so shove your stupid 21st century purist crap up where the sun don’t shine.
Divide and conquer zionist BS.
America first.boola boola.:)
You know, I thought he was the biggest asshole around – but I was wrong. You are.
sounds like the zionistas are sweating.
America First,zionist.hoo hah.
Let us know your emigration date so we can party.
Mr. Schwarz is correct about the racism, in my opinion, but the fact that the anthem glories in killing *anyone* – hireling, slave, whatever – is reason enough to scorn the damn thing. Bombs in the air! Hooray for killing, war, victory by death!!! It’s disgusting.
But you have to admit it truly reflects who we are.
Got me there.
Ok….You’re stupid… thats not even what the anthem is saying. It isnt celebrating war, its just describing the scenes during the war. Only a dumb person( and i know alot of you will fight back against me on this) would actually believe that our national anthem is “celebrating” war.
Seems like a celebration of war to me. I’m with Jimi Hendrix on this.
I don’t think Colin asked for a new national anthem
“America the Beautiful” would be a good choice for a new anthem. But only until a new one written by a coalition of artists made up of descendants of former slaves, First Peoples’ Nations, landed immigrants and Democracy activists like Dorothy Day and Martin Luther King and others.
My country tis of thee.All inclusive.
If Colin Kaepernick’s protest showed any depth of thought, then the author would have a point. But this is nothing more than a ploy for attention and an attempt to coattail a social issue in order to distract from the fact that his playing time and career are flatlining because (a) he lacks the necessary talent to thrive as an NFL QB; or (b) he lacks the necessary commitment to improvement to thrive as an NFL QB.
You need look no further than his stated rationale to see through his transparent attempt to leverage said social issue. Kaep said he’s trying to “raise awareness” about a subject that has dominated the news cycle for at least the last 3 years. What’s next? Raising awareness that Donald Trump is an asshole and running for POTUS?
He points to no specifics, no examples, nothing but vague, trite rhetoric that evidences very little sincerity.
If he wants to refuse to honor the country/government that has created the opportunity for him to make tens of millions of dollars playing a game, then that’s his prerogative. That’s certainly one of the freedoms that Americans have fought to protect for hundreds of years.
And, frankly, playing the national anthem prior to sporting events has always seemed like a strange, hollow gesture.
That said, he doesn’t deserve to do so while escaping scrutiny and what justifiable criticism he’s receiving.
No one is required to honor or otherwise worship our government no matter how much they make.
Right…I’ll remember that when HRC takes the black vote. Typical greed for me…but kick you to the curb.
That is not—in any way, shape or form—what I said.
“If he wants to refuse to honor the country/government that has created the opportunity for him to make tens of millions of dollars playing a game, then that’s his prerogative. That’s certainly one of the freedoms that Americans have fought to protect for hundreds of years.”
But pretty sweet straw man.
Or how little,in response?As Sparrow notes the black vote for HRC are democrat slobs for chicken feed.
This is very strange,a 180 degree turn from MLK,and righteous indignation at the arrogance of the demoncrats for black America,who with their militarism,red baiting and zionist fealty,are traitors to American ideals and his legacy.
It must be something to do with their false image of Oboma that has turned them stepford.
To all the folks quoting that one website, talking about the “hirelings” as Hessian mercenaries and “slaves” as impressed American Sailors, let me ask you a few questions:
1. FSK makes NO other mention to the Revolution. Why would he do it with that one word in 3rd verse when the whole rest of the song had been about the (at the time) current war?
2. Why would he want want the flag to wave over the graves of the hirelings (Hessians) AND slaves (impressed seamen)? Why would he want the (more or less) kidnapped American citizens treated the same way as the mercenaries? That makes ZERO sense.
Or could it be that the “slaves”were actual exacaped slaves, many of whom joined the British Colonial Marines, a unit that defeated Key while he was an officer in the Battle of Bladensburg?
For clarity sake though we did it as part of Britain Canada burnt the whitehouse down for the cause. We aren’tad about it now though.
All I can say to Kap, is put your money where your mouth is, you want to help, quit sitting around and actually do something, work with communities to better themselves, work with groups who interact with police so the community and police understand each other better. Be a big brother to fatherless children in chicago, Detroit, etc. Until then stand up and shut up. If all you can do is sit you have done nothing for your people, for you black community or for yourself.
You want to make a difference, show your community what true leadership is, show them how to make a difference, help this country become better. Sitting is for whiny ass losers who really don’t want to make a difference.
Yes, we should angrily tell the black man what to do. That’ll help.
Yes, and notice that Jody is in reality suggesting that Kaepernick must take on the roll and play daddy figure to the child like people known to the Jodys as Negroes who have always been, as any Jody will tell you, incapable of making adult decisions for themselves. So a Jody has to ever so kindly assign a neighborhood stand-in daddy for all of the little full grown chillins’.
Tell it to Dwayne Wade who just lost his cousin in a shooting…
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And your “full grown chillins'” remark says plenty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R54MlJSaJp4
Shaquille O’Neal vs Michael Phelps Starting @ 17:06 Shaq and Phelps promote the need to help youth.
What is disturbing is that you distort that needed fact.
Bull shit. What you’re posting about isn’t what “Jody” or what my cynicism of the Jodys who declare shit like,“work with communities to better themselves, work with groups who interact with police so the community and police understand each other better” was about. The “Jodys” of the world think “Negroes” are lesser beings and child like. This is a long known fact. If I’m the first one you’ve ever heard restate that, you’ve been living in a remote cave of your own making . Pretending to make a connection of the above to “the need to help youth” is too damn dishonest to require explanation. Pretending that concretely advocating for children, as opposed to stepping in to tell grown people with their lifetime of experience with police brutality and all of the rest in their “communities” how to get along with the murderous police forces in their “communities” is what “says plenty.”
That’s the problem with misinterpreting…
your fucking racism shows.
Have you made your apologies to the African American descendants of slaves yet?
Oh FFS, a resident antisemite keeps spewing shit like this:
Kitt is a racist as much as you are a legal scholar. Which is to say, he’s not at all.
Where are your apologies Mona…
to the ME for the murder of millions of citizens by your tax dollars. Where are your apologies to the Native (Americans) for the genocide…and their continued oppression of a government run by your tax dollars? Where are your apologies to the Palestinians, the Japanese, the Vietnamese, Africans, South Americans…that have suffered and died by your tax dollars?
You obsessively spew this form of non sequitur. It does not become logical via repetition.
@ Kitt
And how about apologies for the genocide of Native (Americans)? And those to all the murdered by your tax dollars in your name in the ME, Africa, S. America, Japan…and all of the occupation of sovereign states.
We will never get out of the racism hole without truth by all parties.
Are there many fatherless black children?Is their violence unseen in white communities in black communities?Are their schools as good?Is Detroit and parts of Chicago along with other American poverty ghettos war zones?
Reading Jody’s post I see no racism,just admonition.
And angrily telling the black man what to do?Well,that depends on how big he is,or if he’s working for Target,walmart,HD or some other minimum wage hell.I usually refrain myself.:)
And whiny is the new normal American default position,some attaining fine whine status,like our moderator.
Is this Mr. Kaepernick “putting his money and time where his mouth is” (presumably not just white kids get childhood heart disease)?
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Colin-Kaepernick-Continues-Charitable-Work-for-Camp-Taylor/d6b5e354-7990-4d0a-9387-f969245f44e9
And did you know that the big reason Mr. Kaepernick gives so much time and money to Camp Taylor is because his parents lost two children to childhood heart disease prior to them adopting Colin?
How do you know he doesn’t do that? Pretty arrogant comment on your part.
As I said to you in earlier replies to your scolding, finger wagging self righteousness, working with an organization–the police and their unions–which has no intention of listening, much less altering their behavior, is a fools errand.
The following makes sense, and, if you’re willing to listen, you’d see or at least try to see that this is being proposed by the people living this ongoing nightmare rather than by a “Jody” who wants the child-like Negroes to behave themselves and bow down to the all-knowing daddy figures chosen by the “Jodies.”
Grassroots Groups In Chicago Agree: “Abolish The Police”
821 comments and growing…..sheez, Jon. I guess you know which buttons to push on this crowd, huh?
Yes, and there would be even more without some judicious culling. Like for instance my post where I suggested that readers look at some British versions of the history of the War of 1812. To briefly paraphrase, the US was a nuisance if anything to them as they were involved in a war for survival versus Napoleon. The US insisted on its right to break the British naval blockade of France (money trumping everything else, even then) and that led to the war. Not a single British version that I have been able to find had any mention of RN ships stopping US vessels to free slaves; what they were after was British naval deserters. But here the ego always wins out, and Amurcans must always be the center of everything.
Well, you know history is always written by the victors.
Geez….its over a thousand comments now. The entire Niners team hasn’t generated this much excitement in 10 years.
They’d have ten thousand by now if they used a user friendly system like Disqus.
Even as a veteran of the armed forces, I can say I actually understand Colin Kaepernick. In 1988, after spending two enlistments and returning home. I was greeted with the “business as usual” racism when seeking employment and even housing in South Carolina. I still cringe at the idea that for eight (8) years I put my life, heart and soul on the line serving a country that still looked upon me as subhuman and undeserving of a decent job and suitable housing.
Make no mistake about it, there are those in this country that still don’t like black people, don’t respect black people and will never accept black people as their equals. The question I have for you who want to throw Kaepernick under the bus. Are you one of those white people?
Hear, hear!
I think the answer for many of them is, “Yes.” But they aren’t either brave enough or sufficiently self-aware to admit it.
I throw him under the bus of ignorance;If he had linked Obomba to HRC,had called our stupid wars for zion out,instead of apologizing to militarism,and not bit the white herring of Trump racism,unseen by most people,btw,and recognized that Donald Trump, despite zionist hatred ,is the best hope for all Americans prosperity.
Yes,racism does exist,and yes,all humans are capable of it,and yes I understand your stance,as the history of the USA is not perfect,and either are its people,and segregation does still remains,in mostly yuppie illiberal neighborhoods,but you can’t paint all Americans with their hypocritical brush.:)
Frank Drebin subdues opera singer Enrico Pallazo and takes his place to sing the national anthem:A Bunch Of Bombs In The Air
Now that I have your attention, PBS edited Jill Stein’s interview responses before broadcasting, removing her objections to the TPP and her comments on climate change. (Video plays automatically)
PBS CENSORS JILL STEIN’S INTERVIEW – EXCLUSIVE (3 mins)
Incidentally, Jill Stein is *the* candidate demanding racial justice and reparations for US slavery.
This is the kind of thing that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that our mainstream liberal media outlets are far less interested in an objective discussion of who serves the best interests of the country and far more interested in electing the establishment candidate with a D.
When NPR is obviously editing out beneficial content from a third-party candidate who might detract from Hillary Clinton, you know we are beyond the pale.
Agreed. Well said.
The fact that anyone gives a fuck whether someone stands for the star spangled banner is hilarious. Is this what weve come to? I never stand for the pledge of alleigence it’s silly. Saying words from when youre In elementary school and not even understanding what they mean. You nationalist out there act like religous nutbags.
If he wants to protest thats his choice. But to do it during work hours is completely wrong, any of us average folks would be terminated or at least disciplined. So he should be held accountable for that. Protest etc on your own time not company time if its that important. Ali wasnt employed by a business as Colin is. Hes using his NFL platform as some have said to make awareness, again if I did this at my work, Termination. Its a reflection on the company.
He didn’t have any choice, did he? They wanted him to stand during the playing of a racist song written by a racist slave owner. He didn’t, so get over it.
To all the so called “die hard patriots” – you should be more outraged on how many veterans are homeless. Or how the government failed them miserably in addressing their medical needs, such as PTSD, or cleaning up Walter Reed Hospital, or delaying in providing them their benefits, or finding them jobs. There’s an argument that some of these vets are employed in the police force, which is a whole other issue in it of itself – that are ticking time bombs. My hat goes off to Colin Kaepernick, he touched on something that really needs to be addressed. CK is a class act as far as I’m concerned.
Too bad we lost. It would be cool to have Canada.
It would be cool to have their healthcare.
If we had Canada, they wouldn’t have their healthcare.
Aye, there’s the rub.
Ouch, good thing we don’t sing the 3rd verse! Personally I think the guy that wrote this article is flat wrong and has embarrassed himself. Many brave people, soldier and civilian, have given their all, their lives to assure the freedom Kaepernick enjoys of spiting in the face a Country. A Nation that has given him the opportunity to earn $10s of Millions playing a child’s game. So more power to you Kaepernick, spit in the face of those that have given their all for you. But don’t ask for my respect because I have none for you.
The term “slave” used by Francis Scott Key is more likely referring to American seamen who were captured by the British and then forced into the service of the British war ships. This is considered to be the traditional meaning of the passage. (Hirelings were German mercenaries also working for the British)
It’s ridiculous to call the War of 1812 a war of aggression, since the US frontier was still under constant harassment of the British, but even more the British were disrupting trade routes and seizing US ships and goods. Basically the UK was pirating on the high seas. I think the War of 1812 was more a counter strike. BTW the British had slaves at the time as well. Their recruitment of American slaves to fight on the British side was by no means enlightened, it was conniving.
Nope: What So Proudly We Hail.
That clap-trap has been posted about a 200 times in this thread. Maybe “Steve” or some other Robot who has posted that talking point could be so kind as to fess up and inform us from what meat factory website with a battery of cubicles populated by Robots has lead the charge to The Intercept to post that same talking point under a couple of hundred or more Robot handles.
I’m worried that they may be holding an elementary school hostage and forcing the children to post here, Kitt. ;^)
Here’s their source:
The Star Spangled Banner Lyrics: FAQ’s (Frequently asked questions for kids)
Scroll on down to the explanation for the third verse, where you will find:
Looks familiar, doesn’t it?
The “United States History for Kids” website is a production of Siteseen, Ltd. which may be found at siteseen,info
Well research what is actually said and the meaning. To many people want to believe anything they read against America. Anyone can interpret anything their own way. You all have no respect. So read up. Radley Balko it took all these years for people to come up with this excuse. I am a Marine served in combat for my adopted country. More than Mr oppressed football player. I am sure his white family who adopted him is proud
To the minimal extent that is true, the far bigger problem is the jingoistic, cheap patriotism held by so many who cannot tolerate dissent or facing unpleasant facts about the United States. In the name of our sense of exceptionalism and entitlement we have committed a great deal of evil.
An individual who insists on maintaining an unrealistic, inflated sense of his own goodness is usually insufferable, and often does evil. The same is true of nations.
Many in this thread have and have linked to it (hint that’s what the “blue” text is, a link to proof of “what is actually said and the meaning”).
Which people? Please be specific. Are you denying that America, historically, has a very poor track record when it comes to treating its minorities culturally and legally as equals, and has oppressed many of them?
Of course, and that’s a “right” afforded every American citizen and lawful resident (although it’s equally true for all human beings given it would be impossible to stop humans from “interpreting anything their own way”.
“All” of us have no respect, or just the ones who agree with Mr. Kaepernick’s actions?
Many of us have, you are free to link any proof you have that contradicts Mr. Schwarz’s journalism, or Mr. Kaepernick’s opinion(s) on this topic. We’ll wait.
Which “excuse” and what does Radley Balko have to do with Mr. Kaepernick’s opinion or actions? Again, we’ll wait.
So what? Are only American “combat” veterans entitled to have an opinion or rights in America? If so I don’t believe you understand even the most basic principles enshrined in our Constitution and/or Bill of Rights notwithstanding your service to your adopted country.
I’m an American lawyer who swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution and the laws of this nation, one of which is the right of people like Mr. Kaepernick to voice his opinion freely so long as he isn’t physically harming anyone. Do you have a problem with that?
Has Mr. Kaepernick indicated or stated that he feels personally “oppressed”?
Who knows, but why don’t you ask them and get back to us. My best guess is that they are very proud of him both on and off the field based on what I’ve read re: their opinions of their son.
Just a suggestion, but if this is your adopted country, maybe you could take some remedial courses in grammar and punctuation, so that those of us who might like to respond to your comment, you know, can actually decipher it more accurately? Thanks in advance.
Good comment rr, but I believe you meant it to reply to “Michel,” not me.
Oops sorry Mona. Hit the wrong reply button and wasn’t paying attention.
Yeah that one was to “Michel”.
You are spot on. That’s EXACTLY the interpretation :)
If he were specifically protesting the words mentioned in this story, I’d be more sympathetic. Such language, just like the Confederate flag, should probably be removed from use in public functions; the song could easily be rewritten. But turning his back on his country every time something seems unjust , with no country free from injustices, is not going to convince most people of his good intentions. And he only mentions “oppression of black people”, specifically police shootings. Sure, there are police shootings every year, about 30% of them are black and some of them (for ALL races) are unjustified. The shootings of whites get almost no press coverage, so it’s not widely debated which ones are justified and which aren’t. But Kaepernick talks as if the black shootings are the only ones that matter, he doesn’t acknowledge that cops have to choose between risking their own lives and those of suspects every day and can’t be expected to always make the right decision, and he completely ignores the fact that blacks are 40 TIMES as likely to be killed by black criminals as they are to be killed by police. If he really wanted to save black lives, let alone all lives (which anyone arguing for equality should value equally), reducing crime would save far more of them than reducing police shootings, as important as it is to reduce the unnecessary shootings both by and of the police . Finally, if Kaepernick has really become a follower of the teachings of the Prophet Mohamed (I’ve only seen speculation on that, so far), all this talk about oppression and the celebration of slavery is nothing more than hot air; Mohamed owned slaves, passed his female slaves among the male members of his family, and ordered his followers to subjugate all non-Muslims in the territory they controlled and kill or rape those who got in the way. He was not exactly a good symbol for the fight against oppression and slavery.
This is a wonderful article. The article discusses a topic whispered in the Black community (the missing verses of the national anthem). Read the documentary by Morgan State University titled “What so proudly we hail” https://vimeo.com/166881889. The Black community is fully aware that Francis Scott Key was a slave owner and and advocate of slavery. Thank you for openly discussing what has been whispered way too long.
Maybe you should look at what was the meaning of that verse was when it was written.
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3:
– Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
– He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
– But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
– The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
– The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
– Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
Source(s):
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
Hi Anna,
The Colonial Marines were a regiment of former slaves. Francis Scott Key was defeated by the regiment shortly before the attack on Fort McHenry. This is a fact that is often taught (sadly) only in the Black Community. Francis Scott Key wrote “No refuge could save the hireling and slave” to infer that slaves would not be saved. Morgan State University created a documentary describing the battle titled “what so proudly we hail”.
The website you (and many other before you in this thread) cite is entitled “United States History for Kids” and is a sanitized, short-form presentation prepared by a British company that is in the business of mass-produced educational websites for those who prefer their information in small, easy to swallow bites with a minimum of bitter spices.
I’m getting really bored with posts citing this source as authoritative. It’s pablum.
I know. I’m tempted to ask Jon to put up one of my posts debunking this at the top as a sticky, because this same quote from the same crappy site keeps showing up here in comments. Or ask Jon to do an update addressing it.
But none of that would likely do any good.
No, I doubt that it would do any good because the robots posting and re-posting that junk are posting rote without reading previously posted comments or thinking twice, or even once, about doing some research beyond the script they or it were assigned to post. They or it are posting what they or it arrived here to post. No amount of facts will stop them or it from posting the roboticized script.
If the excellent Morgan State documentary you’ve cited isn’t penetrating their thick skulls, it’s probably hopeless.
I’ve given up quoting the third verse in its entirety, because I realized that expecting these people to be able to understand the most straightforward of early 19th-century poetic language is just silly of me.
Great, more fuel for the impending race wars.
Impending race war? I can tell that you’re white. The race war was started by white people centuries ago and it is ongoing. What you mean is that Black and Brown people are starting to fight back.
“I can tell that you’re white.”
Is there anyway to come to such a conclusion *without* ascribing culture to race?
“The race war was started by white people centuries ago and it is ongoing.”
That’s complete racist nonsense. Humans have been a tribal people since their formation.
While I wouldn’t put this action on the level of Muhammad Ali’s sacrifices, this was a courageous action that could cost Kaepernick dearly. And while there are many major reasons to not support the flag, anthem, or even country — genocide of Native Americans and theft of their land, U.S. militarism and imperialism, etc. — I fully support what Kaepernick did and applaud this action. Kaepernick is not a good quarterback and may lose his job anyway, but doing this certainly makes it more likely.
I see that this author is not a historian if he thinks that the reason for the war was an invasion of Canada. The US did invade Canada but that was not the cause of the war.
You are mislead… the cause of the war of 1812 was during the outset of the 19th century, Great Britain was locked in a long and bitter conflict with Napoleon Bonaparte’s France. In an attempt to cut off supplies from reaching the enemy, both sides attempted to block the United States from trading with the other. In 1807, Britain passed the Orders in Council, which required neutral countries to obtain a license from its authorities before trading with France or French colonies.
The Star Spangled Banner or the American flag flew over all people, Hirelings and slaves alike. Hireling is a person a person who works only for pay, especially in a menial or boring job, with little or no concern for the value of the work. based on that definition, most of us are Hirelings.
I can guarantee you Kaep does not know anything about this interpretation of the Star-Spangled Banner. He’s just anti-American government at the moment.
You need a complete history lesson! That same flag, freed the blacks from slavery. America, give him the opportunity to make millions, live in a house worth millions, and drive all those oppressed cars! Instead of flapping your worthless jaws, donate your millions to those oppressed blacks. Take away all the free government programs and free the blacks.
Hirelings and slaves (99.999%ers) rise up! Do not sit down during our national anthem. Rise up against the 0.001%!
Right. Because black folks willingly walked onto slave ships, endured a scenic albeit ardous journey by sea, outfitted in the finest iron chains and manacles, had their names, families and history stolen from them, worked long hours doing back-breaking work just for the fun of making massa richer and richer, while our bodies used for experiments amd breeding more slave labour, continually risked life and limbs attempting to escape or revolt, and finally used as pawns in Lincoln’s war just for funsies. ” lawd oh lawddd I’s so grateful this nice flag freed me. Sho nuff. I probably wouldnt have needed freeing if i wasn’t enslaved to build the country the flag represents but thats not important right now. No suh it aint. I’s just so happy you good white folk decided to free me and maybe in another 100 years they will let me vote too. Yes gawdd “
Ahh 1812 pre Anthropocene epoch bliss.
Let’s make the planet livable again vote Jill Stein 2016
Besides I think we should switch the national anthem to this anyway, because what American doesn’t know this song and can sing along with it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY
Perfectly embodies America’s level of arrogance, and that it is written and performed by a gay Englishman from Zanzibar is a nice dose of irony given America’s history. And I happen to think he was one of the greatest rock talents ever so there’s that too.
Freddie was, without question, a messenger of the gods. And the ironic associations would, indeed, be perfect.
However, the song has a vocal range of G4-C6*, which is pretty much counter-tenor territory. Somehow, I don’t think listening to a bunch of drunken louts at the stadium trying to hit those notes would be a pleasant experience.
*Freddie: damned near five (5!) octave range.
Presumably you’ve heard how bad the average American butchers the Star Spangled Banner. Now I don’t particularly care that they do, because I am never there and not a particular fan of the song in any event. But you might be right that it would be excruciating to have to listen to 80,000 people butcher someone’s music I am a fan of, in this case Freddie Mercury.
But, again, I don’t think it could be any worse than how most people butcher the SSB, so I think I’d enjoy singing We Are The Champions along with 80,000 drunken fans more than I would the SSB–just on balance assuming I’m going to have to listen to somebody butcher something. Just my $0.02 and aesthetic preference, which together with about a buck and half might buy me a Max ticket to an event at the Moda Center.
Maybe if he had cited those reason for why he did not stand I would agree that he had cause. Instead he chose the words “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.”. Those words coming from a man who was raised by white parents, a man who is making more money in a year than the average American (who works their ass off) makes in 10 years, a man who makes money playing a game that primarily has an audience of Americans. Many of those hard working Americans are men and women who have fought for his rights. He is essentially spitting on the flag that drapes the coffins of the men and women who have died for this country.
Pretty much.
Good luck in that cold dark and lonely place you’re in.
Reality is a bitch and the population is scant.
No. He’s not. He’s using the freedom those people are said to have fought and died for. (Mostly, they fought and died for less noble reasons chosen by their government.)
Moreover, the race of Kaepernick’s parents is irrelevant. So is his wealth, except to note that it is noble for wealthy and famous people to use their platforms to protest injustice. Usually all it earns them is the kind of grief you just spewed.
>Those words coming from a man who was raised by white parents, a man who is making more money in a year than the average American (who works their ass off) makes in 10 years, a man who makes money playing a game that primarily has an audience of Americans
The above comment has no bearing on what Kaep’s stance is. He is simplpy being a voice to the voiceless. Just because he makes more money than you doesn’t make what he is standing up for empty.
>Many of those hard working Americans are men and women who have fought for his rights.
Nobody has defended our rights in hundreds of years. Sorry to tell you this. Kaep himself has said he supports our troops. He doesn’t support the oppression that is commonly found in inner-city homes/streets.
>He is essentially spitting on the flag that drapes the coffins of the men and women who have died for this country
Which is entirely his right. Those people that died for his right should be thankful they didn’t die in vain. Period. End of story.
Are you disagreeing that this nation “oppresses black people and people of color”?
And what exactly does that have to do with the historical accuracy of the first statement? You can’t possibly believe that America hasn’t/doesn’t oppress people of color because some white folks adopt African American children raise them as their own?
So only “average wealth” Americans are entitled to be critical or not of America?
Do you think Colin Kaepernick isn’t a “hard working American”? Apparently you’ve never played football at the level he can/does/or has, or you’d appreciate how much “hard work” it takes, and generally speaking how you end up crippled for life as a result of choosing to play and entertain others who can’t do what he does.
So those people fought and died for Colin Kaepernick’s “rights” so long as Colin Kaepernick never actually “exercises” those “rights”? How could it possibly be a “right” then? And if they all died to protect their fellow America’s “rights”, “rights that are never to be exercised or that can only be exercised in athe preferred way of some Americans, then didn’t they really fight and die for no “right” at all, or just a “right” that belongs to those who are in agreement with how you choose to exercise that “right”?
If so you simply have no conception of what a “right” is, or that it belongs to all–even when you disagree with how another exercises it.
My best advice to you would be–pull your head out of your ass and think about what you are arguing, which is nonsensical in the extreme.
Get over it, lady. This from a Viet Nam vet. From kindergarten to whatever your age is, you and most other Merikans believe you all are better than the rest of the world’s population, (+or -).
This guy is a real hero as far as I am concerned, right up there with Assang, Snowden and Manning. Stuff your patriotism where the sun doesn’t shine.
Ok Bailey just because his parents are white he can’t criticize white people. That argument makes no sense. And the fact that he makes millions is irrelevant also! It gives his more of a platform to bring awareness to an injustice that take place all too often. So no he did not mention these points Shwarz brought up but all your points against his stance are irrelevant.
He does not have to explain why he didn’t stand. Wtf you sound real real ignorant .
Maybe if you had tried at all to find out what all he had to say about his reasons, you wouldn’t be writing comments showing your ignorance.
“Colin Kaepernick owes you absolutely nothing. He is not responsible for your education — which is only a mere web-click away.”
So you want Kap to give you a hour long flag history lesson. So you can “maybe” understand where he is coming from as a man of color? How about you get off your lazy ass and seek out the truth for yourself, if you truly want to understand before you pass judgement.
Good artilce however, you forgot to mention that Cockburn was the same thug who was responsible for war crimes else where!!!
This Land Is Your Land by Woodie Guthrie
Yeah, that is what we’re programmed to believe. While the powers that be sell rights to mining, drilling, fracking our National Parks, all of a sudden there are celebrations for the 100 year anniversary of them. You can’t have it both ways.
Or Country Joe & the Fish’s Vietnam song, with the name changing continuously to the latest disastrous war.
On this day in 1814, Francis Scott Key pens a poem which is later set to music and in 1931 becomes America’s national anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner.” The poem, originally titled “The Defence of Fort McHenry,” was written after Key witnessed the Maryland fort being bombarded by the British during the War of 1812. Who ever wrote this is a liar or an idiot or Trying to start a race war is the writers intent, or to just stir the pot
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3 —
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3–
-Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
-He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
-But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
-The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
-The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
-Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
-Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
That is false. I dealt with this yesterday and it continues to show up here. Again, see the short documentary: What So Proudly We Hail.
You are correct. If anyone took the time to search the history of this anthem they would know that it was a tribute to the defenders and the condemnation of the British. I am sure after spending the night in the middle of the battle, held in a British ship that Francis Scott Key took the time to put in a verse about black slaves. What an idiotic, superficial thought.
Long after Colin Kaepernick is forgotten, the world will remember Jimi Hendrix, who played the Star Spangled Banner at Woodstock as it had never been played before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAwPA14Ni4
Run Colin Kaepernick run.
Before USA paramilitary police death squads
Devolve into a Filipino style murder for hire government jobs program
Run Colin Kaepernick run.
We know he can run. It’s the throwing part that he has trouble with.
Other issues led to the war as well. Also, since the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution both originally permitted slavery, should we get new documents? Good discussion topic.
Great point! absolutely they should be revamped!
Revamped in what way?
Definitely need to revamp it to make sure slavery isn’t included. We can make it an amendment. Maybe call it amendment 14.
That happened it’s called Civil Rights Act of 1964
Exactly. If the offensive part was removed is it still offensive? No one sings or remembers the third verse = Removed.
It’s insidious when someone willfully misrepresents history to generate political propaganda. Key’s poem celebrates victory over the forces that burned the White House down and threatened to destroy and conquer his country, which was literally fighting for its life. Those forces include the slaves you describe, who fought with the English and were naturally despised for it by the people fighting on the other side.
However, the U.S. navy was 15% black at this time, and many black soldiers fought on the side of the victors in this battle and others.
The poem celebrates a victory over enemies trying to destroy the US on US soil, and trashes the vanquished foe left and right in the verse cited. English “blood” is described as “washing out their footsteps foul pollution.” The “hireling” is similarly mocked – mercenaries who helped the English. And yes, as black soldiers fought with the English, they too are mocked here.
Nowhere in the poem is slavery celebrated. Nor is slavery as an institution even mentioned.
But that’s never the point when an angry deconstructionist climbs onto his horse and starts riding in the Social Justice Warrior sweepstakes. It’s to undermine and destroy everything that the US stands for. We get it. You can’t stand western society and western culture. It all needs to be replaced.
But don’t willfully lie and deceive.
Well said… thank you.
However unhappy it makes you, this article is accurate, both historically and morally. For more documentation and the analysis of, among others, academics, see the 14-minute documentary: What So Proudly We Hail.
You’re wrong. The article misrepresents the intent of the poem and willfully and immorally represents it as promoting slavery, which is never mentioned. That is a fact.
Finding other deconstructionist academics to repeat flawed historical analysis does not change this.
This is rank nonsense:
So, you’ve read that there had been this academic trend called “deconstructionism” — that was never that popular, confined mostly to the field of English, and is almost disappeared now — and thought you’d just toss that term out there? The academic in the documentary is a dean of journalism and not a “deconstructionist.”
Jon Schwarz’s history is accurate, and the documentary only reinforces that. (With nary a deconstructionist in sight.)
No it’s not.
And you’re wrong again. Deconstruction was applied to almost every field in the liberal arts: history, art history, english, etc. Study up.
Today, deconstruction has become an intellectually lazy punchline, so academics will not admit to it. But it is the foundation of all they and liberals in general believe.
I already have, and published an article in an academic journal touching on it. Deconstructionism was an unfortunate fad and has almost disappeared. In any event, it is not at all implicated in this issue, including in the documentary. (It did intrude mildly into the field of history but was largely confined to the Modern Language Association and English professors, at least in the U.S.)
Get a new line. Why should we buy into your bit anyway? If everyone else’s recap is wrong, why should we buy into yours? This entire stunt is ridiculous. This article is a joke and full of mistakes, and Kap is just trying to get back into the spotlight for something he probably doesn’t even believe in. Looking for the 15 mins that has come and gone. Good for him, he’s already been paid. A martyr he is not. A hero he is not. A leader he is not. His so-called stance doesn’t bring unity…look at this thread and it proves that.
My “line” and “bit” are well-informed about the issues under discussion. The facts Jon Schwarz elucidated are borne out by knowledgeable others. Further, I am in a position to understand what “deconstructionism” is, and where it is in play, and where it is not. I was admonished to “study” it, and I already have, rather a lot.
As for all your speculation and assertions about Mr. Kaepernick, and your insulting characterizations of the article, they reduce to nothing of substance meriting a reply.
What it stands for today, or what it has stood for in the past? Does America “stand for” slavery of other human beings which was both legal and incentivized from 1619 to 1863?
Does America “stand for” Jim Crow laws, both legal and incentivized from 1863 to about 1966?
Does America “stand for” the near genocide and bantustanization of the vast majority of the indigenous peoples that previously inhabited what is today the United States of America?
Or does America simply “stand for” the lack of attaining its “ideals” for so many of its citizens and residents for so much of its history until present?
Or does America just stand for the “good things” it does and not the “bad things”? If that’s what you believe, why don’t you explain to all of us how that works in your head, you know where America only “stands for” the things you believe it “stands for” and none of the rest. That should be interesting.
Yes, all of that.
Deconstructionists want to tear down every facet of this country and rebuild it. Propaganda like this makes that job easier, as it makes the point that there is nothing here worth preserving anyhow.
Thank you ” Amazed” for standing up for this country and exposing this bullshit journalist with his head up his ass trying to cause mass chaos in America
You’d think by now that people would understand that headlines are written by editors and producers outside the control of the author with the intent to get clicks. Ignore the headline. It’s there anything in the actual article that is untrue?
Read my post? Just about all of it is untrue.
P.S. So lying in headlines is ok? Good to know.
Nope, and all you have backing that up are your own anonymous assertions and ranting about “deconstructionists,” who appears to be your all-purpose boogey men. Ironically, you may as well be denying the possibility of determining the facts of the matter, which is what they do.
The American flag, like all symbols, means different things to different people (or groups of people). I absolutely appreciate and support any person’s peaceful (i.e. not physically harming another) right to venerate or protest any symbol they choose, at almost any time they choose and in almost any manner they choose. Same thing goes for abstract concepts like “patriotism”.
Millions of our fellow Americans fought and died in several wars (although very few wars Americans have ever fought were actually in “defense” of our nation and its “liberties” and “freedoms”) to protect and defend their fellow citizen’s ability and right to do precisely what Mr. Kaepernick did.
I find it very illogical that some people use veterans and the US military, generally, as a cudgel to bash people like Mr. Kaepernick for actually exercising the right veterans fought and died to protect. It’s nonsensical in the extreme.
Which is not to say I have any problem whatsoever with people exercising their right to voice their disagreement or even disdain for Mr. Kaepernick’s opinion, or the manner in which he choses to express it, or the timing of such expressions. So long as they do so peacefully and without threats of physical harm to Mr. Kaepernick.
As a general proposition, I agree with Mr. Kapernick’s opinion in this instance. And I understand literally millions of other Americans may disagree with that his opinion, or mine.
Nevertheless, I have always had mixed feelings about the actual efficacy of engaging in acts aimed at symbols that have such divergent meanings and import to diverse groups of people. Sometimes the timing, context and specific manner of protesting are very effective, other times not so much. I’m not at all convinced it is necessarily productive as a means of political protest to deface, interrupt or disrespect another’s religious or nationality symbology (and particularly religious services), but in America I absolutely support another’s right to do so at their discretion consistent with the law even if it offends others.
I haven’t sworn an oath to anything except the US Constitution (and it is imperfect in many ways as well) since I was a child. I haven’t sung, stood or removed my hat for the national anthem at any event in about 25 years. But I also don’t throw my opinion on those topics into people’s faces (meaning of flag to me, what is (in)appropriate veneration or protestation against such symbols, or what are the appropriate and healthy boundaries of patriotism for millions of human beings who did nothing to become earn citizenship in a nation except through an accident of birth and through no effort of their own, which is different for naturalized citizens). If they ever want to engage in a good faith discussion why I don’t stand, take off my hat, or sing songs on command at certain types of events, I’m happy to have a discussion about my thoughts on those topics, including listening to their opinions on the topic. Last I heard, in America, we are free to disagree on precisely those sorts of topics.
For my part, I simply make it a point to never be in my seat or the stands at any event during the performance of the national anthem or pledge of allegiance. That’s easy enough for me to do at a personal level. On general principle I disagree with forced displays of “patriotism” or “respect” for any individual, symbol or opinion. Quite frankly it has always creeped me out in the extreme, particularly in America, that that large groups of my fellow citizens think it is okay to culturally (or otherwise) force their fellow citizens to partake in forced acts of “patriotism” or “respect”.
Is it “unpatriotic” for someone in a stadium with 80,000 people to be using the restroom during the national anthem? If we are going to enforce “respect” for the American flag or the national anthem, is that enforcement only going to be against those who voice a different opinion from the majority as to its meaning or import, rather than all those who don’t make an affirmative effort to participate in and engage in same exact manner of mass veneration of those symbols? If so then that means you have decided only your (or the majority’s) opinion or action is/are the correct and permissible ones in America with regard to “patriotism” or respect for America’s symbology, and I will never condone or support that idea.
Exactly. I’m reminded of Frederick Douglass’s famous speech about Fourth of July celebrations.
I simply don’t understand the lack of thought process of so many of my fellow citizens.
“America’s history” and values are experientially, and legally, different for different groups of human beings. There is no “one history” of America, nor is there one set of “values”, unless you count the US Constitution and those “values” were nothing to be overly proud of in many instances (and obviously until amended several times) –from slavery to the lack of equal rights for women to the near consistent demonization and inequitable legal treatment of almost every single group of immigrants that this nation has ever opened its doors to.
I mean if America “stands for” anything throughout its history, it’s that it has fallen woefully short of the ideas and values it claims to venerate in its laws and founding documents for basically the entirety of its existence. I’m not saying that’s not the case with any society or people, to a lesser or greater degree, but to deny that inherent historical hypocrisy re: America is to be simply misinformed, willfully or otherwise, or blind to America’s historical reality.
Yup. I’m a big fan of most aspects of the Bill of Rights and the Civil War amendments, but they are, at best, a start. There’s been a lot of injustice to be undone and there still is.
Yesteryear, it was a popular racist trope that blacks were often communists. Well gee, the Communist Party was stalwartly against Jim Crow before it was popular to be so, and accepted blacks as equal members. If “patriotic” America had not upheld slavery, Jim Crow, lynching and all manner of racist attitudes and policies, the subversives would not have looked so appealing.
“For my part, I simply make it a point to never be in my seat or the stands at any event during the performance of the national anthem or pledge of allegiance.”
It appears you prefer to avoid conflict! Where is the fun in that?
As I indicated, I believe there is a proper time, place and manner for me to express my disagreement with the actions of my nation. But at a personal level I question the efficacy of denigrating, defacing or otherwise “protesting” certain symbols or activities. I think it is better, at least for me, to simply not participate in them. As I said, for others, and in various contexts, I think publicizing that disagreement or protest in some way can be effective.
But, if the day ever comes in America where someone attempts to force me to adhere to their displays of “patriotism” or “respect” for a symbol, then that is the point at which I “will have my fun” employing the American legal system to protect my right not to be forced to do that thing. I will let no person or group force me to do something I am not legally bound to do, or that I am morally opposed to doing. I’d rather sit in a jail cell or challenge those individuals or groups in a court of law and let the cards fall where they will before I mindlessly capitulate to their preferences or will. My self-respect is more important to me than any group or individual’s opinion of me.
“For my part, I simply make it a point to never be in my seat or the stands at any event during the performance of the national anthem or pledge of allegiance.”
I’m an ex-serviceman with a family history of service going back generations. I feel exactly the same way. Throwing veterans at people as a reason to respect the flag is disingenuous and small-minded. I won’t ever salute or sing this song again, but I don’t necessarily care to make a scene.
I still can’t tell if that’s because I’m polite or a coward.
The flag also stands for, “dissent”…..
Did not know. Nice research. Horrible song. Archaic, simple-minded, militarist. Now pro-slavery. Nothing much has changed in lo, these 240 years. It is a much older country than it thinks… Time for a new song and a new country.
Why confuse the masses with history and facts? Don’t spoil the overreaction of the mob. Give us more distraction from facts and history. What are the Kardashians up to anyways?
That is funny given that Colin and the Kardahians both mindless distractions. Feel free to categorize Colin differently now that he is speaking your language.
Ummmmmm…. “righter” isn’t a word. Good job checking that.
Morons…. it’s basically saying that There was no refuge for slaves BUT the Flag in TRIUMPH doth wave. So, BEFORE there was no refuge, but NOW this is the Land of the Free. You stupid morons make me sick.
Stop self identifying with a racial group and end racial seperatism! That way no more need to play victim. A loy of horriblr things happen yo good people past and present cry me a damn river! Stand up for American individualism and refuse to participate in racial separatism!
We’re all oppressed. BOO HOO. Everyone has the opportunity in this country to make something of themselves. Stop placing blame. The White, Black, hispanic and asian dirtbags can only blame themselves if they’ve been failures….or shot by police.
Jon Schwarz spends every waking second hating himself for being white and feeling ashamed of his country. Go write your propaganda articles in Commieland or in the fascist state where you belong, Schwarzy. No one wants you here and in 5 years a robot will be doing your job better than you ever could.
Thank you so much for the history lesson I didn’t know this being a teacher in Nigritian and African American history I find this information relevant to my cause of printing the truth of black people
but let’s keep the hate rolling.
from Wikipedia: According to the historian Robin Blackburn, the words “the hireling and slave” allude to the fact that the British attackers had many ex-slaves in their ranks, who had been promised liberty and demanded to be placed in the battle line “where they might expect to meet their former masters.”[7]
Thank you.
Given the tendency of US history books, and US historians as well, to present views of history that are more flattering to the US, I thought it might be interesting to see how the British regarded their reasons for fighting the War of 1812.
Here’s a nice, short piece that I think sums things up pretty nicely from a broader perspective: http://www.pbs.org/wned/war-of-1812/essays/british-perspective/
Here’s another: https://www.britannica.com/event/War-of-1812
The gist of these two pieces is that the British were not motivated at all by altruistic motives, but were rather focused on their war with France. As a significant number of Royal Navy deserters were working as seamen on US flagged ships, and US ships were attempting to run the British blockade of France, the RN took to stopping US merchantmen at sea and dragging off their own citizens (as well as the odd American). While the British did indeed use freedmen in their land campaigns, the war had NOTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY.
Key’s racism is well established, but there is no evidence of any blacks being part of the RN contingent that was bombarding Fort McHenry. It appears that most of the British recruitment of US slaves was after that battle.
Nonetheless, I salute Colin Kaepernick for his stand against US racism. It is unfortunate that he apparently did not receive a quality education in history.
Interesting that it takes a personal attack on posters who make personal attacks to get the comments pulled.
I have played that game before.
Mr. Schwarz…
IS IT hard to find a story about something good? TI journalism has become a shit hole of nothing but divisive negative explosive shit that has nothing to do with healing…nothing to do with uniting…and everything to do with gossip trash. Watch this and weep…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AexgMwfN7A Cop Saves Man Seconds Before Train Arrives
Propaganda at its worse….
Shame doesn’t even cover this worthless article.
Sparrow is wondering when The Intercept will get Willard Scott to do some “good news” for a change (interspersed with the necessary exposure of the growing Zionist menace to American unity).
This thread has really heated up the RaceBased Race to the bottom here, with the Zionist-Derangement Syndrome Sliders battling it out. Sparrow’s sanctimony move is an interesting development; how will dahoit, nuf said and barabbas respond? Some heartwarming cat videos, perhaps?
Sorry Vic…
Can’t really understand what you’re trying to say?
What is the author smoking???
Nixon hated the chronic for a reason.
You are completely wrong about the third verse.
One of the important issues of the time was the kidnapping of American seamen by the British, who forced them to serve on the man-of-war ships. This was called ‘Impressment’. See: https://www.marinersmuseum.org/sites/micro/usnavy/08/08a.htm
Key spoke of hirelings, which were typically German mercenaries and these pressed American slaves, who were NOT black slaves but seamen (ones who did not have protection papers, and sometimes even still) who were forcibly taken to fill in the gaps of the Brit deserters and dead, and how the win for America meant “the band who so vauntingly swore”, i.e. the boastful Brits, lost. So the British claims did not come to pass, because they lost, and the flag was still there.
History books are your friend.
I completely agree with you nana! The qriter is misinformed about so many of his facts!
He stood up for his beliefs, pardon the pun, but all this stuff about the national anthem is NOT what he stood up for! It was written along time ago in a different time, slavery and racism are not the same thing, and I hate both! But people are going off on so much stuff! They are turning everything to fit into their agenda, it’s crazy
It doesn’t really matter if the anthem history has nothing to do with Colin.
It doesn’t matter that this piece required zero research because the author only had to write his opinion to get paid. He oughta be loving America as much as Colin for having such a cush job.
When you read unattributed opinion in the NYT there are angry articles here. When you read unattributed opinion here, it’s celebrated as fact.
Nationalists make great fascists! Maybe all of you flag wavers should go start your own country.
You’re a fool but you cannot see it.
I never said acknowledgement of history is victimization, you’re just saying I did.
Everyone knows slavery happened. It still goes on in Africa today, does anyone do anything about it?
Victimization is victimization.
One person looks at the history of blacks in America and says “oh man, the world is racist against me, it will never let me succeed.”
Another person looks at it and says, “Despite all the racism that my people went through we still managed to excel. Became doctors and lawyers despite being challenged by more racism than we face today. We even managed to build a center of upper class commerce as far back as the early 1900s, called Black Wall Street. SO WHAT THE FUCK CAN RACISM DO TO STOP ME??”
The kicker is only one of those perspectives is supported by media, politicians, entertainers and liberal white undercover racists like you.
I bet you liberals have been unthinking for so long you can’t even perceive the tyranny in your broken and blinded ideology.
Pathetic!!
The millennials are the most embarrassing specimen mankind has ever churned out.
So much privilege we don’t even know how to think anymore.
Our ancestors, both black and white, are rolling in their graves because of you witless cucks.
You’re destroying everything that they fought for.
OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES!!
“I bet you liberals have been ”
I knew you thought you had a point.
Not an argument therefore it is irrelevant.
Nothing more telling than someone who goes out of their way to address you only to say nothing.
Smh.
If you respond with emptiness and no argument again, I will just ignore you. That goes for all you liberal unthinking sheep.
As fellow trolls I’m sure you understand.
But black wall street was burned to the ground by a mob of angry whites….
SO WHAT THE FUCK CAN RACISM DO TO STOP ME??”
Black Wall Street was burned down to the ground and 3,000 black people Men Women and Children were killed because of their skin and because of their success……… I just saying.
Obviously, everyone knows what happened to black Wall Street.
But even just now you exhibited the victim mentality and you don’t even realize it, I guess it’s the blowback that happens from trying to be so witty.
Is the lesson of black Wall Street that we (black Americans) can build and thrive regardless of the social climate (regardless of the jelly whites act of destruction, the fact is that those blacks reached success during overwhelming racism)
Or is it
White people destroyed what we built when we reached the top a century ago so let’s not even try.
Lol it’s obvious, one is the path of the man the other is the path of the weak.
No matter what, the fact that blacks were able to reach and maintain greater heights of success than now, when there is even less racism, will always severely compromise any ideology that it is racism that is holding back blacks today.
The rationale just will not add up for a thinking man.
” ‘We even managed to build a center of upper class commerce as far back as the early 1900s, called Black Wall Street. SO WHAT THE FUCK CAN RACISM DO TO STOP ME??’”
TBMK, the aforementioned “Black Wall Street” was in Tulsa, Oklahoma. What did racism do to stop that? Whites burned it down- from the ground and air.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
America was the aggressor in the war of 1812??? Hahaha that is such bullshit. Whoever said that either didn’t pay attention in middle school history class or is just a liar. The British were doing everything they could to undermine the new American Republic. They absolutely instigated the war and even burnt down the freaking White House.
If you have a problem with a song about the flag of our country waving over a fort to show that America had won an important battle in the war for our independence, you are what’s wrong with America.
the fact that public schools do not teach anything but the “American” version of history is what’s wrong with America.
I know that might take you a while to digest…..take your time ;)
Actually it was the US that instigated the war, by violating the British blockade of France. Unnoticed by virtually all of the posters below, and by yourself, is the fact that in 1812 Britain was in a war for its very survival against Napoleonic France. That was consuming almost all their attention, and almost all their military resources. After Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow in 1812 the British wisely kept the bulk of their armies at home, to be used again in 1815 when they along with the Prussians finally defeated Napoleon for good at Waterloo.
The American War of 1812 was just a side show for the British; the US did not win the battle of which you speak, nor did it win that particular war. And, might I add, people who are ignorant of history are part of what’s wrong with Amurica.
“Middle school history class” – with history books full of racist lies – was probably last time you every read a history book, right “Joe”? British had their hands full after the French entered the Revolutionary War on the American side and the Spanish sided with the French – one of primary reasons why Brits gave up colonies in what was to become USA.
Many historians agree that US desire to drive British out of Canada was among causes of War of 1812. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812#American_expansionism
BTW: Your dim memory of your 5th grade history class has failed you: the actual “War of Independence” formally ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris.
Much has been written about US history since the 1960s – in fact very little of the hagiography of US history survived the Civil Rights era. Almost every US history book written before ca. 1970 is hopelessly outdated both factually and politically.
IWPCHI
Well said.
I couldn’t get past….
[“BEFORE A PRESEASON GAME on Friday, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick refused to stand for the playing of “The Star-Spangled Banner.” When he explained why, he only spoke about the present: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. … There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”]
But hey Mr. Kaepernick…you certainly stand up for those millions in pay don’t you? Incidentally does he stand up for any and all forms of murder esp. the latest
http://abc13.com/news/dwyane-wades-cousin-shot-killed-in-chicago/1486984/
But they ain’t gonna mention that the shooters were black…
Stop swallowing the divisive bullshit the MSM and TI dish out. ALL LIVES MATTER…and this guy makes millions doing it.
Boring, amateur, belongs on CNN.
Yes,all lives do matter,and this stupid BLM crap,where instead of protesting the hell bitch and her demoncrat scum who have sold blacks and minorities out for pieces of silver,they demonize Trump like good little brainwashed zionist lackeys.
Divide and conquer,and it seems some are very predisposed.
poor Trump indeed. He has supporters of your ability.
“:poor Trump indeed. He has supporters of your ability.”
Well, vic, you seem to think if there’s no apparent motive then shit just naturally happens …
even a bowel movement requires a sphincter.
As coherent and on point as ever I see, nuffin said.
A NY Yankees game starts with the Stars Spangled Banner. They then play God Bless America in the seventh inning. I think everyone should sing My Country Tis of Thee at the end of the game and as everyone leaves via the turnstile they should get the flag tattooed on their arm. Those resisting the tattoo would be diverted to the branding line. This would all be done while our Military jets are flying overhead, a Police color guard are marching around the infield and the giant replay screen is showing Mayor Giuliani’s slides from 9/11 . USA – USA – USA…….
Sure…even though I disagree with the author’s interpretation… there were without a doubt, countless atrocities against human beings of all races…as has been the historical account of human history. Were African slaves treated horribly? Of course. Did half a million Americans – a majority white of European descent – die in a war that ultimately ended the practice of slavery? Of course. But let’s ignore the facts and focus on the historical evils of man…and call ourselves “progressive” while we do it.
I think our national anthem should be “America the Beautiful and axe the Star Spangled Banner….it is out dated and really does not express what America is all about!
You-all seem to be forgetting that a Civil War was fought 1861-1865 in large part to abolish slavery, which legally it did! So regardless of what the National Anthem MIGHT mean (1814), 50 years later there were enough men and women who opposed slavery to fight and die for it’s demise! In fact, over 620,000 died, many more lost limbs or were seriously injured! One of my distant relatives died in that war. The National Anthem is difficult to sing and does celebrate war so perhaps it could be changed . BUT…it does NOT celebrate the killing of slaves, it mourns them.
Sigh, if you had anything more than a 12th grade education you would know that it is well established historical fact that the American civil war had nothing to do with fighting to end slavery. Lincoln was no crusader for black people. Abolishing slavery was merely a tactic used to undermine the Southern army who used slave labour. Blacks would not fight for their “owners” knowing that the barest intererpretation of freedom was possible if they made it to the North. It was also an ecomonic strategy to keep the south economically weaker after the war ended because the North was industrialized and did not depend on human labour. Yea and all those people who died fighting in the civil war, did so to preserve the UNION, not because they suddenly believed in the humanity of the people they spent the next 100+ years lynching, raping, and regulating to second class citizenship. Your entire country and and all of its symbols,built on the backs of black people, is a celebration of slavery.
Sigh, I have 7 years of higher education beyond the 12th grade, in both the history of America, its legal system, and much of that study directed at the Civil War and Reconstruction.
And I can say unequivocally, that either you don’t actually comprehend the meaning of the word “nothing”, or you actually have no actual knowledge of causes of the Civil War.
To be precise–the war was precipitated because certain states wanted to expand the institution of chattel slavery into what were then the “western territories”. When Northern states blocked these attempts, the seven states of the “confederacy” which triggered their secession when they couldn’t democratically achieve their desired policy outcomes. And then they decided to make war against their fellow citizens by firing on Fort Sumter.
And while it is true that Abraham Lincoln cared more about preserving the Union than he did about black people, that does not change the historical facts re: why 7 states decided to secede (economics, culture et al) and make war on their fellow citizens which all revolved around perpetuating the institution of slavery and the economic and cultural benefits to some in those states of preserving and attempting to expand the institution of slavery.
Now while the following link is in no way definitive, you could start by reading it and the linked books and articles, if you are actually interested in learning something historically accurate about the “cause(s)” of the American Civil War.
But to suggest it had nothing to do with the institution of slavery is both ahistorical and stupid to boot. Here you go and good luck:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War
Am I missing something, or is the author making a leap and trying to make Kaepernick’s argument about something else? Kaepernick is talking about pride in the flag, not specifically the star spangled banner. While obviously linked, they are not the same.
By the way, I’m ok with Kaepernick not standing, that’s his right. He’s just going to offend some people, which is alright too. That’s what makes this country great.
Maybe the author’s next article will be about the safe spaces needed at colleges for those offended by Kaepernick’s negative speak on the flag?
You aren’t missing anything. If you want to know the bad things about America, come here. If you want to learn about the good things, there are other places.
Once you understand that, everything will be fine sir.
Nice try John, but the argument in my mind is pretty weak. Your position would be much stronger if we still as a matter of practice, sang the offensive racist parts of the SSB you are quoting. But clearly, they are not repeated for a reason.
I fully believe in just but fair criticism of our country. It’s easy to point out flaws of the past or present just to trash something. The problem is you can do that with anything, or anyone.
I leave this final question. If the American state , is so oppressive and racists as a matter of law and policy as opposed to historically (which I would agree with) then what nation would you reference that we could learn from?
LOL OK, I must be missing something here.
Kaepernick has ZERO clue about the origins of The National Anthem. If our National Anthem was Quiet Riot’s “Come on Feel the Noise,” the self-victimized Kaepernick would sit for that.
He wants to “send a message,” a la Western Union.
Kaepernick isn’t an historian. He’s a useful idiot.
But nice try!
It’s a shame they don’t burn the flag on the day they wrote the song as it’s a mockery of freedom!
Dear Mr. Schwarz,
I won’t criticize your grammar , untoward innuendo or your smarmy selfie photo!
I think it was a hoot for you dispel some of the false “patriotic” illusions that the country still embodies in its myths. The war of 1812 was in some ways the beginnings of some of the more egregious examples of American jingoism and adventurism. I too subscribe to a similar renaming of myself and my countrymen … We are Muricans one and all! We are all part of the exceptional United Scammers of America. You just can’t jazz-up Frankie Scott Key’s Star-Spangled Banner but ya sure can do this… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JmFa2Q40lg or if you are into armed resistance where the outcome is certain death then sink your teeth into this..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZ1lnwwYfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr_g23qi9hg
“The common man, no matter how sharp and tough, actually enjoys having the wool pulled over his eyes, and makes it easier for the puller.”
Quote by P. T. Barnum
I can’t tell if you’re being foolish, or intentionally race baiting.
Either way, this is a trash article.
Good thing we have a drive-by expert on trash such as yourself to set the record straight.
Antisemites in this thread, such as dahoit, are repeating a Nation of Islam lie, that Jews preponderantly owned the slave ships. This is absolutely false. Eli Faber, professor of history at CUNY and author of “Jews, Slaves, and the Slave Trade: Setting the Record Straight,” has examined their claims:
Lunatics such as -Mona- often resort to attacking the messenger because they have no other real skills.
She is a documented wretched liar.
She’ll eat your eyeballs if you look at her posts too long.
She’s right you know.
“She’s right you know.”
@Mona “Jews actually were not heavily invested in the trading part of the slave trade.”
The trading part; as in the physical movement of slaves.
They hired the physical work out.
They just took care of the finances …
financiers of misery.
you may now call me an antisemite if it helps you sleep
An antisemite spews:
I’ve been over this many times with you, dahoit and a number of other virulent Jew haters. In Christian Europe Jews were marginalized and shunted off into money-lending as one of the few occupations Christian countries permitted them to engage in. This happened in part because at the time Christians considered it sinful to lend money for interest and largely would not do it themselves.
As a result, in the initial bloom of the slave trade — but not for long — Jews were heavily represented in the financing. As Winthrop D. Jordan wrote in The Atlantic:
This thread is about a half-black man who refused to sing the national anthem, but the antisemites had to get rants about Jews involved. That’s just how they roll.
[“This thread is about a half-black man who refused to sing the national anthem, but the antisemites had to get rants about Jews involved. That’s just how they roll.”]
Who said he is “half-black”…and wtf does that have to do with it? And if Jews do not want to be involved then why do they control the media?
Jesus on a crutch, you Jew haters simply cannot control yourselves:
Just stop it.
Fuck you Mona…You have no idea what my skin color is…my beliefs…nor my friends. You accuse all day long while your antisemitism and racism bellows. You try to cover up truth by accusations just like propaganda still does.
Where are your apologies to African Americans who are descended from slavery?
And what ethnicity is Eli Faber?(Jewish,or a born again Christian wacko?)
Jesus,you are the woist.
The Nation of Islam can also find the forest from the trees,although I’ve never gone to their website,and my opinion was based on many web site revelations.
Doesn’t the behavior of Israelis illuminate their corrupt nature,and their obvious racism is sign of their own human failings,unless you subscribe to the incredibly idiotic tome,its all Hitlers fault.
Dahoit, -Mona- is a wretched liar. She’s been outed by multiple commenters and yet she still denies her acts.
She acts just as the old Omooex/Ondelette complex did …
She slams people for not knowing what she thinks. (Sounds a lot like Ayn Rand.)
Take her bleats for what they are.
You, and your pal, nuf said, are resident antisemites, with Sparrow often not far behind. (And I mean, real antisemites, not the faux charge leveled by many Israel apologists.)
I wear the disdain of all of you with pride. If I lacked it I’d be doing morality and truth wrong.
It is an antisemitic lie that Jews were disproportionately involved in the African slave trade.
Mona…leave me out of your idiotic stupid rants. EVERY TIME you don’t agree with someone, you attack with baseless accusations to remain the queen at the top. Self made holiness doesn’t quit make the pinnacle…
You hijack comments to the point where the article is forgotten and your crap flows to your favorite divisive sewers. You attract every troll imaginable so you can debate them to keep all eyes on you…
FREE SPEECH… but only for Mona
Free speech is not implicated in anything in this thread. As I’ve patiently explained many times before, this is a private venue, and neither the owners nor I can trample on anyone’s speech rights.
Moreover, criticism of anyone, including antisemites, does not deny their speech rights, not even when undertaken by agents of the state — the state being the only party (for all relevant purposes, short of private, Klan-type conspiracy to deny civil rights) that can infringe on speech rights. Calling out antisemites and correcting their lies is a good thing, and not a denial of anyone’s free speech.
One of these days Mona…and for sure it is coming…
You will get sued for defamation…and rightly so.
I’ll take that bet, what sort of action are you giving on it? Moreover, I am so convinced that Mona could never besuccessfully be sued for defamation based on anything she posts here or anywhere else, that I will offer my services to her gratis, and presumably so would Glenn Greenwald so long is he is an active member of some state’s bar.
Are you prepared to put your money where your anonymous mouth is? Hell, I’ll do you one better–I will lay off the action on this very bet–“will Mona Holland be successfully sued in an American court of law for the civil offense of defamation between today and December 31, 2020″?
And I’ll give 50 to 1 odds she won’t and will take any individual bet not exceeding $100, and I will donate all proceeds to ACLU on December 31, 2020.
Any takers?
Can you just imagine the pleadings? “Now come the plaintiffs, anonymous Internet commenters Sparrow, dahoit and nuf said….”
Now, rr needs to set the odds on summary dismissal, cuz that’s the bet I want.
So defamation is just dandy with you…
Coming from a lawyer…
Thankfully I don’t need one.
And as for Glen Greenwald…I liked him before Mona stole the stage.
So you can bow to her majesty the fallen queen of the Court…makes no difference to me. Mona is shameless in accusations against others…a self made tyrant that thinks she does no wrong…and blames others for her misgivings…while she projects to be a humanitarian.
Defamation does not constitute what you think it does. Kind of like you do not grasp what “free speech” is at law and who can abridge it.
Where are your apologies to African American slave descendants?
I do not substantively reply to non sequiturs, especially tendentious ones.
@ Sparrow
No defamation is not fine with me, particularly given that I am a lawyer, but I actually know what constitutes defamation as a legal matter, and precisely why I made the bet I did?
You in or out for $100.00 or not? I mean seeing as how you believe Mona has legally defamed you, why don’t you go ahead and sue her and see how far you get with that with me and Glenn defending her. I mean you are convinced she’s “defamed” you, as a legal matter, right? And if you do, then why not find a lawyer to bring your cause of action? I mean there’s millions of lawyers chompin’ at the bit in this country to make a buck of a transparent case of “defamation” so if you’ve been “defamed” then why not bring it instead of babbling about it on the internet and we’ll find out? You’re not scared to defend your “right” not to be “defamed” are you?
First of all…I am poor. I do not have $100.00 for a bet or anything I personally need at the moment. I truly am amazed at your arrogance about the matter. I don’t need to sue Mona…she is what she is. She will reap her defamation fully. You and Glen can defend her all day long it matters to me not.
Like I said…I don’t need a lawyer.
@ Sparrow
Well to roughly paraphrase Dean Vernon Wormer: “Fat, drunk, [poor] and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
Although there is nothing intrinsically wrong or lesser about being poor. I personally don’t believe any human being should be subjected to poverty unless they choose it.
And just to be precise, I’m not “arrogant” because I disagree with your understanding of what constitutes actionable “defamation” under US law.
Out of curiosity, how is it that “[Mona] will reap her defamation fully” if people like you who you believe she has defamed you don’t take legal action to protect against such heinous and unlawful activity?
You think whining on the internets about how Mona has horribly horribly “defamed” the anonymous pseudonym “Sparrow” is going to cause Mona to stop sharing her opinions about whatever it is you or anybody else writes in this comment section? Because I can pretty much guarantee you it won’t.
Again, you want it to stop, see if you can find a lawyer to sue her for damages in a US court of law. If you are poor and being unlawfully defamed, I’m sure you could use the money, couldn’t you?
And who are the biggest SLAVES and murderers of all…?
Every American taxpayer.
“In Christian Europe Jews were marginalized and shunted off into money-lending as one of the few occupations Christian countries permitted them to engage in.”
Yes, that’s certainly true. And even today many of their descendants are forced to eek out a living at places like Goldman Sachs in the ghetto that we call Wall St. Sad really.
The hirelings and slaves in the song were US men trapped in the fort as it was being bombarded by the British. Calling the Star Spangled Banner a musical atrocity because of a straw man argument regarding the war and slavery only amplifies the idiocy and ignorance of the author.
No, the musical atrocity thing is totally separate. It just is really crappy music entirely independent of the meaning of the words.
Oh, and concerning the historical account in the first sentence of your post: can you back up your interpretation over the one given in the article? Please do not tell me what you sixth grade teacher told you.
i heard the men were trapped as captives in the hold of a British ship and could see some of the action through slits in the hull. The song was supposed to be a source of inspiration to the men. The composer had a good view through a porthole or something.
The story is as true probably as the NIST 911 report …
Mostly white men, to be clear.
History is difficult, it seems, for some people. This “article” is further proof that just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
SMH
Give it up people, playing the racist and oppression card is getting old already. You don’t like and respect this country and what it stands for, then don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Men (both black and white) fought and died for your damn freedom and you have the audacity to disrespect the flag and National Anthem? Are you kidding me? That is what I call a selfish POS.
White men also fought for the rights to own slaves, way after this song was written.
You know what’s getting old? People like yourself who just want to shove racism and history under the carpet.
You know what else is getting old? Using the word “card” other than to play real cards.
nice work Chica!
It does not bother you at all that a group of slave owners were a significant part in the birth of a nation that declared freedom for all? Try to look at things as more than just black and white, so to speak.
Does it bother you that your own ancestors of that time were exactly of the same mind as all your FF targets?
Jeez,I’d love us to be all in Star Trek reality of perfect people in a perfect world(except Klingons and Cardassians(kardashians),the prime directive supreme,and love and harmony between all.
But we won’t get there with selective opprobrium on 18th century men light years ahead of any other humans in democracy of their time.Absolute stupidity.
Zionism hates our Constitution,and all it contains.
It doesn’t bother you that sub-Saharan black slave traders were the source of most foreign born slaves that were shipped to the Americas for over two hundred years before the United States became a nation? Or that the institution of slavery had been widely practiced throughout Africa for over fifteen hundred years before that? The US was largely an agrarian society at the time of its founding. And yes, the legacy institution of slavery posed a severe challenge to those who attempted to pen the constitution. Slavery was a hotly contested subject from the very inception of this country until the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation. It is rather curious that this article’s author did not mention the striking parallel between the British strategy of using freed American slaves as conscripts in the war of 1812 and an identical strategy used by Lincoln in the latter years of the Civil War. Even the confederacy attempted to employ such a strategy late in the war. Approximately 330, 000 white union soldiers lost their lives in the American civil war. 30, 000 black union soldiers were also killed fighting for the north. But hey, what’s a mere 330, 000 white deaths compared to a few lines in song written by a single racist southerner. Prior to the advent of this inconsequential debate, I would have been willing to bet a dollar against a dime that less than one out of ten thousand Americans even knew the words of the Star-Spangled Banner beyond those of its first stanza. Fucking ridiculous.
men and women, both black and white, fought and died for us to be free to express ourselves, including asshole racists.
a country that can’t stand criticism of itself seems like, in the words of that almighty asshole racist Clint Eastwood, a “pussy ass” country
OK so let me get this straight, this putz (who by the way is not the greatest ball player) says “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color” yet he is very willing to sign that fat contract and take the money in US dollars. Someone needs to drop his ass off in the Middle East and see how far his word goes there. Therefore if he doesn’t like what this country stands for then he can get the f**k out.
“No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”
I think you are reading this wrong,
The flight in context was of “cannonballs and rockets”.
The Bombs bursting in air.
There was no refuge from them.
For the Freeman or the Slave.
They were killed side by side at Fort McHenry,
and were buried there in the gloom of the grave,
Over their graves flew The Star Spangled Banner in triumph,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I know it’s a small point to make but cannonballs, bombs and rockets didn’t chose between Freemen or Slaves but in noting it Francis Scott Key was saying that a slave was no less brave than any freeman that withstood the bombardment.
In doing so he was making the case to end slavery, which oddly enough was one of the reasons he found himself on a British ship, trying to win the freedom of those men held captive there who were to be enslaved as impressed as Sailors in the Royal Navy.
I think you need to read and understand the entire verse:
If you’re going to use it as a misguided crutch for your argument, use the whole thing.
Clearly the lyrics are about the us militia, army and slaves trapped in the fort and how they died and or survived the onslaught. To perceive it any other way is absolutely asinine.
On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
’Tis the star-spangled banner – O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
“Their blood has wash’d out their foul footsteps’ pollution.”
Reading. It’s fundamental.
Exactly. The boastful British were “that band who so vauntingly swore” the things the following lyrics outline, but the waving of the flag showed the triumph of the Americans, and the blood of the British “wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution”.
Reading IS fundamental, Salzmann. So is history. I’d suggest you bone up on both.
We all could try and understand what song lyrics mean.
Could “that band” be the British? Resist and they will continue the havoc.
the havoc of war, the battle’s confusion, a home and a country
these could be the thoughts of the men in the ship; and then it’s
their blood has washed out their footsteps
as in we kicked their ass.
I think Schwarz is wronger on this one.
god you have to get your facts straight Jon Schwarz. you said that the star spangled banner was “Because it literally celebrates the murder of African-Americans”. that is so far from the truth it makes me mad that you like ever one add fuel to the fire. it was american against British rule. he is a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxGNQE5ZLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hZe8CPGA1E
it is the people that blame country for some thing that a select few have chosen to follow. Colin Kaepernick said “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. … There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.” it is stated by the FBI data base that 85% of all black killing is done by other blacks and it is the same for white on white. again it is this black lives mater bull shit . I have black friends, I even married into a family with black children but that doesn’t affect me as a person. it is a fact that there is some thing wrong with people that can look beyond their own color and let the hate go. the song is to show how strong we are as a whole how we work together when the odds are stacked against us. the song is to show that united we stand and that we will not be taken over by another country because we are free. and lets not forget that in all reality it was the British ships that brought slaves to this country that were abducted from their land by their own race. black lives mater just means black hate whites and all others that are against them.
Actually they were Jewish owned,most slave ships and markets,but shhhh….
Boy The Stupidity is strong in this strong.. Whites Kill each other at 85% clip.. But this Nation has always been a White Supremacist nation. If Black people hated Whites This nation would have burned a long time ago.
StarSpangled Lies Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem Francis Scott Key Was A Slave Owner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhqKr8-5JBQ
Wow. Informative and revealing. I am a patriot. This is my homeland. But I can see truth when it’s right in front of my eyes.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
That’s utter nonsense. Simple Bullshit.
If Key had been referring to impressed Americans when he used the term “slaves,” he would hardly have scathingly grouped them, glorying in their deaths and flight, with the mercenaries who, earlier, served the British.
Along with working on reading comprehension, a number of you uber-patriots in this thread need to learn to use quotation marks or block quoting when you cut and paste.
That part of the cut ‘n paste is more or less true.
Once again, slave means slave. The British freed American slaves who then fought for them in that battle, and it was those slaves the racist Key was referring to. Otherwise he would be gloating over the deaths of impressed American sailors in his poem, which he surely was not. The actual words he wrote–
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave
And make no mistake, Key was a raving racist. He owned six slaves and he went after an abolitionist for sedition, saying to a jury–
“Are you willing, gentlemen, to abandon your country, to permit it to be taken from you, and occupied by the abolitionist, according to whose taste it is to associate and amalgamate with the negro?”
This false claim has been showing up in comments since the article posted. The author, Jon Schwarz’s, history and reading of the stanza referencing “slave” is accurate. Included in the documentation for this is this 14-minute documentary: What So Proudly We Hail.
This is sports taking itself way too seriously. Who cares if a player sings or not, stands or not, whatever. Every damn football game isn’t some sacred ritual. The anthem sucks but it’s all we have. Perhaps Congress should officially disavow the other verses.
OMG…they were drinking, and singing this song. It was a dirty drinking, sailor song….I like sailors.
Oh my Gawd that makes it worse…bet they were wearing biker vests too.
And sneering…bastards. And slurring their words.
This is the worse thing that could happen…to me…on a monday too. And I have a gig this afternoon.
I just can’t sing it anymore, I use to sing it alot.
I’m a professional “Star-spankled banner singer”.
The pressure is too much…
The pschological distress it too much, I’ll have to go on sick benefits…OM Gawd.
I need a prozac…the size of a hockey puck.
I’m distraught and confabulated. I’ll have to go to confession and say penance.
All those times I sang it…*Sniff*…in school as a child, in my professional carreeer as a star-spangled banner singer for hire…as…a…hireling. OMG OmG
Fuck a duck, I’m so ashamed, and guillty. I feel dirty. a dirty, dirty star-spangled banner singer. I’m a dirty ,dirty, hireling. I should be spanked…a lot.
I better call my friend.
does this dick have any idea how many men have died under that flag, well, he just pissed on all of them, what a low down son of a bitch
Unless you are older than seventy, you haven’t experienced a single war in defense of this country. Every war since WW2 was for empire, not for America, so all those people died for what are essentially Marxist values, not for American values.
Yes,Trotskyite scum traitor driven wars for zion.
And HRC their horse of our apocalypse.
Thank you for this informative and eye-opening piece. I sit with Colin, and we should all take a stand against The Star Spangled Banner, and as a replacement,
Amazing Grace comes to mind.
An even worse choice.
Kaepernick is emblematic of the divide and conquer strategy of the zionists who control our information.
His racist take of Trump is a prime example,as Trump has no racist past,or at the most,less than the hell bitch,as we are all racists,despite moral lepers contention that illiberals are pure of heart,and noble ,totally belied by the reality that the illiberals are behind the total evisceration of Americas economy,society and racial divide,as they brainwash alleged intelligent people like this BS.
He followed up by saying he didn’t like Clinton either,but how does that jibe with Obomba’s total support for her?
Another brainwashed idiot,with a false narrative ,and when he kow towed by saying he didn’t mean disrespect to the military knuckleheads,who aint fighting for any other freedom than USzions liberty to destroy their self made enemies freedom,he put another gun nail in his head.
This is America,the land of the confused by zion.
I will defend his right to say whatever he wishes though,even if wrongheaded.
If he had stated the actual reality of USzion running roughshod over our world,their total disaster of economic neoliberalization,and the total propaganda from their disinformation arm the MSM,I would cheer.
Alas,just another fog bound American athlete,overpaid and underworked.:)
Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote a fifth verse after the Civil War.
When our land is illumined with Liberty’s smile,
If a foe from within strike a blow at her glory,
Down, down with the traitor that dares to defile
The flag of her stars and the page of her story!
By the millions unchained who our birthright have gained,
We will keep her bright blazon forever unstained!
And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
While the land of the free is the home of the brave.
Could have been written about the modern propagandists of zion.
You’re a putz. The National Anthem is a celebration of freedom. The same freedom that allows idiots like you to write this trash.
The Love it or Leave it Patriothugs are even more tiresome than the hasbarists — even less original. Quite an achievement.
These brainless tribalists could be organized in the blink of an eye into an American Sturmabteilung. The uniform could consist of brown wife-beaters.
Typical zionist America bashing from the heirs of Hitler.
@dahoit: it’s spelled Amurca. And congratulations for your superb mixing of metaphors.
I always thought you traitors said Amerikkka.
Thank you for your support.
I am just wondering…..
Why is it so difficult for some to accept that USA is NOT PERFECT?
All commenters that have suggested one should leave the country if one does not like “something” about it, have they NEVER been upset about an issue, ANY issue that bothered them related to the country and wished it could be different and better?? Are they all going to LEAVE and go somewhere else? The adults from 324 million Americans surely have had at least A complaint during their lifetime about something that was not right…. are they all leaving?? IMHO, one does not leave but stays and tries to fix what is wrong.
ps also, dictionary sates,”righter” is a correct word…
The same reason so many can’t come to grips that every country has a past and times change. No country has a PERFECT PAST. We don’t need to re-name every building or town named after a man that had a slave 200 years ago or may have used the word negro. So tearing apart the national anthem is the equivalent of comparing apples to oranges. Let alone the obscure verses that nobody has ever heard. What’s next? Re-name the Jefferson Memorial because it triggers feeling of oppression because he was a slaveholder?
For all you people that are saying that our National Anthem = The Star Spangled Banner is singing and celebrating slavery. Maybe you should do a little more digging and read up on history and stop assuming. Well here is an article for you to read, and yes (it is long but read it all and learn about true history), and stop trying to make something out of nothing. http://amhistory.si.edu/starspangledbanner/the-war-of-1812.aspx
Here is another thought …..now remind me which side OUR American Flag flew with during the Civil War….(that would be the Northern Side) and what …..they stood against slavery. Is it all starting to come together and make sense now…..The National Anthem is not singing about slavery nor is it celebrating slavery either…………
Do you seriously believe that the civil war was fought over slavery? You really believe whites from the north and south fought and died for the freedom of blacks? You can’t be serious.
The men of the north had a few reasons for fighting,foremost preservation of the union,but antislavery had its part also.
The authors ethnicity prevents rational discussion.
Its a national phenomenon,haven’t you noticed?While not total, it’s almost.
The FF were racist scum,Lincoln was a racist,and every American Potus a racist monster.(except Obomba of course)
Divide and conquer.
NO, actually White people call Obama a racist so the divide and conquer cycle continues.
Is it impossible for Obomba to be a racist?He is half white, right?:)
And who amplifies that racism expressed by these people?
The MSM,in divide and conquer.
And if one believes blacks aren’t racist,then one needs re education,as humanities foibles are human wide.
What gets me is atheist rejection of natural selections inherent man is mud,but selective nobility arises in some chosen few.sheesh.
One angle that’s probably lost on non-sports fans is that Kaepernick is really upset because a mediocre white guy name Blaine is taking his job as starting QB. And that’s because he just isn’t very good at accurately throwing a football. Kaepernick has asked to be released from his contract with the 49ers and I imagine this may be part of his campaign to get cut. I don’t know how many other teams are really going to want put up with the PR headache for a marginal talent like him. He really should have stuck with baseball.
Kaps running in the year the 49ers went to the super bowl was a game changer,and took opponents by surprise,but defenses adjusted,and his unorthodox throwing motion isn’t as accurate or effective.
And baseball?Ask MJ.
Kaepernick was a legitimate prospect in high school, pitching over 90 mph. Considering how much more baseball players get paid and how much longer their careers tend to last, I think he made a big mistake.
Oh yes!
I am sure that during the instant he decided to not stand for our country’s national anthem, the war of 1812 and all its permutations and intricacies were roiling through his little brain, infuriating him to take such well thought out action.
Or, he could just be a racist little idiot….
I didn’t know about the extra verse in the anthem, but the “free” line has always been BS, and Kaepernick is right to protest; although it will not help him among his fellow athletes, who tend to vote Republican as do most rich people.
The rest of the song just glorifies war, which makes it perfect for today.
You dont know much about history, the democrat party has been the leader of slavery, the leader of the segregationist movement and was against civil rights. Shall i mention jim crow. The republican party…the party of licoln ..is the party that fought for the abolishment of slavery. Unfortunenately there is a new form of slavery today that the democrats have been using. They’ve suckered you to vote them in and keep african americans in a political trap, promising they will make things better yet nothing gets better. All the major inner cities and detroit, baltimore etc. All have been run by democrats and a portion of those failed politicians are black democrats who do well for themselves but not anyone else. Check your history, unless of course you like being ignorant.
Recommending the book cited in this post, if you want to learn more: Snow-Storm in August: Washington City, Francis Scott Key, and the Forgotten Race Riot of 1835 by Jefferson Morley https://www.amazon.com/Snow-Storm-August-Washington-Francis-Forgotten-ebook/dp/B006V3E254
Kaepernick is a frigging asshole. Loaded to the gills with money and crying about injustice. I hope he breaks his leg.
He was “crying” about the injustice being perpetrated against those less fortunate than himself.
Great. Now your leg is going to break. Learn principles and I wish you a speedy recovery.
I have written and propose a new national anthem. If you like it, help me spread the word.
The National Anthem of the New Republic of the United States of Great America
* Cadence, meter and tempo same as Francis Scott Key’s tune
Stanza 1, main chorus
Oh say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
Our nation reborn and a country rebranded.
Where once oligarchs stood and a clique ruled by might,
The army rebelled and The People commanded:
That a nation conceived, founded in Liberty,
Stay true to her creed and reboot when there’s need!
And the star-spangled banner in triumph did wave,
In the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave!
Stanza 2
United we stand, divided we would fall,
The great melting pot, made one nation of many.
From all countries we came, to begin a new life, in
‘merica, the Land of Milk and Honey.
The American Way, separates church and state,
No temple, no mosque, will determine our fate!
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave,
While the Land of the Free is the Home of the Brave!
Stanza 3
Oh let freedom ring, from the majestic heights
Of all mountain tops, and from sea to shining sea.
Safe and strong in our homes, in our cars, on the street,
No fears we might meet, a rogue cop on the beat.
No police state will stand, ‘ver the freedom of Man,
While our Bill of Rights, is the law of the land!
Black, beige, brown, white, red, yellow, rich, poor and in between!
Formed one nation to be free and the home of the brave!
Stanza 4
Genius for industry, science, technology,
Made true the promise, of long life and prosperity.
Our best minds changed the world, to the marvel of all,
Yankee novelty, redefined possibility.
And the world did rejoice, with John Glenn’s soaring voice,
One step for a man, is a leap for mankind!
And Mars beckoned us forward to new frontiers of space,
In the name of the Free and the Home of the Brave!
I love to see people twisting history to fit their agenda.
Anyone else think it’s a problem that this article is pretty much the same article as this one, written two months ago by a black man? http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2016/07/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-national-anthem/
It is absolutely necessary and right for us white people to be engaging in antiracist work and amplifying the voices of people of color with something to say about our society, but there’s a difference between amplifying voices and making money by speaking over them or rehashing their points without giving credit.
“Hillary Clinton called blacks, ‘super predators'”.–Colin Kaepernick How right he is.
A great job of selecting out just the right details from history to try to make a case. I would have been suckered into this if I didn’t know anything about the War of 1812. This is a major part of our American history that isn’t taught during school and its sad. There are so many more issues, conflicts, and lives at stake leading up to, during, and after this small stretch in time for this cherry picked story line.
Great read. Thanks for the education!
The problem is he is sitting down for a lie. No where in the world do blacks have it as good as they do in the US.This includes ALL of Africa.blackliesmatter is all based on a big lie.
Wow, you really believe the dribble that just came out of you brain? That’s probably the lamest comment I’ve even seen.
You’re an ignorant fool. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Also, screw the “national anthem” and all nationalistic bull. It’s jingoistic garbage.
Nowhere in the world are the citizens of any country incarcerated in such numbers as in this one, and it doesn’t matter whether this is measured with actual numbers or with incarceration rates. Worse, given that blacks are incarcerated at a far higher rate than whites, the disparity with the rest of the world is even more appalling.
Wow spoken like A) Someone who isn’t black B) Someone who hasn’t really traveled much C) someone who should have just keep quiet and not made a comment.
So “No where in the world do blacks have it as good as they do in the US.
This includes ALL of Africa.”
You make today’s struggle of life for black people sound like a vacation.
Try putting some shoe polish on your face evianalmighty and see how many job offers you get or stare down a Baltimore cop’s face & start to run… Let me know how that works out for you.
And “blackliesmatter is all based on a big lie.”
Oh asking for accountability from those who we pay to “protect” & serve us is a big lie?
Have you ever listened to yourself?
You must still be in a nice warm womb, because ignorance is bliss.
Americans in general,including me on this,have no idea of the actual living conditions of African blacks.(in general,as I’m sure the leaders,unless communist ideologists,which I doubt,are quite well off))If they are indeed worse off than black Americans that wouldn’t be shocking as imperialism and our interests have made the central and lower regions of Africa corrupt and poor.
The actual numbers of many Africans coming from those regions to the USA does lead to that yes,African Americans have it better than African blacks,but of course obviously not as good as most whites.
And many Afro-Americans have a lot of wealth,so it is better than it was,but the new sports lottery crap,where athletes make millions,while actual contributors to American society like youth workers,teachers,human resource and of course good jobs itself,get the shaft of neoliberalism and sports worship.(and profit of course)sucks.
And these new gladiators all make plenty of dough for our oligarch slavers,btw.
There will be no white flag above my door.
Fun With Flags (or Vexillology … the scientific study of the history, symbolism and usage of flags or, by extension, any interest in flags in general.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e8PGPrPlwA
*”Righter”. That’s what I likest the mostest about you, Jon. .. ‘you don’t let your schooling get in the way of your education.’ h/t Huck Finn
bahhummingbug, I thought is looked wrong but I looked it up. Righter is completely acceptable. Do your homework before you judge.
I’m sad to say I did not know this, and I want to thank you for making me aware of it. And I’m also angry (at both myself, I suppose, for not reading widely enough to find it out, and at the history texts I read in American history classes that left it out). God damn what a noxious human being Key was, and what a noxious song. Though the weird thing is the sort of cognitive dissonance I am experiencing thinking of this song now as noxious (against the overlay of all the positive memories of it since childhood!).
I truly appreciate your work. Thank you.
Thank goodness you now have something to be offended with or at. I bet you woke up wondering, “what can my moonbat self get offended by this week?”
“Indifference, to me, is the epitome of all evil.”–Elie Wiesel
Quoting serial lying creep racist scumbags as influential only exposes your own lack of mental acuity.
Also, history.com says the national anthem was “set to the tune of an old English drinking song”. So a bunch of drunks originated the tune – guess that’s why it’s all over the place and so hard to sing.
The representation of the flag is solid. You represent nothing, your words represent nothing. You’re a disgrace just as the over paid athlete is. May all the souls that represent the Symbolic meaning behind the Flag, haunt you and your cronies.
Gonna promote this 14-minute video again: What So Proudly We Hail. Some commenters are disputing Jon Schwarz’s history, and others are saying things such as:
According to the academics and others interviewed in that short documentary on the American national anthem, Schwarz gets his history about Keys correct, including the purpose and meaning of the line in the anthem reading: “No refuge could save the hireling and slave.”
Moreover, the British motives in promising freedom to escaped black slaves seem as straightforward as Schwarz argues.
Are you flippin kidding me? You need to immigrate somewhere. Get the fuck outta hete
As usual the media is fishing in troubled waters ,create more discord by part interpretation to get publicity. Media never had a moral standard or a Guilt in taking things out of context. History might be flawed, but those flaws bring us where we are. You can’t change it , but you can try to heal it. If you go back in time will you do any different, no because you will be thinking as the time thought. Maybe you would be the guy shooting too.
The nation anthem that we sing is perfect. It might have a history but that what it is made us. But that doesn’t give right for someone to disrespect the national anthem, nothing is free even Freedom comes with a price. We lose some to gain some . Every war around the world goes by the same law. Have problem with it , fight gravity .
Your naivete is appalling.
I’d say Ebenezer is correct
Righter is the correct comparative form of the word right.
You’re an idiot. HIRELING and Slave refers to both paid AND unpaid soldiers ALIKE. In other words, EVERYBODY.
hire·ling
?h?(?)rliNG/
nounderogatory
noun: hireling; plural noun: hirelings
a person employed to undertake menial work.
a person who works purely for material reward.
“the government’s paid hirelings assure us that we’re on our way out of recession”
Origin
So, because the reference to indentured servants and slaves is present in the lyrics, it somehow negates American anti-Blackness? Because slaves being oppressed and violently attacked by White Supremacy via this kind of treatment during the Revolution needed to be specifically mentioned without additional verbiage for it to be veritable? There’s only one idiot here, sir, and it’s not the editor.
I totally support Kaepernick’s action, not because I agree with him, but because I am sick and tired of a nation of fascists, where no one is allowed to speak against the actions of this nation.
You will now see the machine attack him. All aspects of the Zionist Jewish media will tear him apart. He was deviating from the script, they say what we are allowed to think, their media covers what THEY want to cover. High profile celebrities are ONLY there are the pleasure of the ruling class. If they step out of line, they will be crushed. This is why they stay in line. This man is braver than most. Sadly Zionist Elite Jews can play idiot America like a fiddle, and they will turn this man into a “traitor” in America’s eyes.
One caveat, things are changing, and if this can lead to more outbursts, real change can come from it. People are seeing the media for the corruptive for it is. Hopefully this can be a catalyst.
my shit was green … Let’s blame the Jews right ?
I’m Jewish and I support his right to protest. If I was you, I’d be looking at the push back from the Christian right…
He didn’t critique Obomba,and he is totally behind HRC,and her capitulation to zion,as he has totally been in the tank for,as the Pritzgers made him what he is.
Did he critique the militarism of sports?No,instead he kow towed to the militarists.
Another lost in the matrix?knucklehead.
More liberal hatred of a country that has made them rich beyond their dreams.
Wow you conservatives just make zero sense whenever you get a chance to speak. Hey remind me who fought on the side of the rebels and adopted a flag other than the stars and stripes? Oh yeah that’s right the conservatives of the time LOL! Great logic idiot! Sorry we Liberals can look in the mirror and see things as they are while conservatives are the dipsh*ts that never see the ills of this country and are always looking to blame some outside boogieman rather than seeing the trouble we ourselves have created.
More white people shooting themselves in the foot I see.
The unthinking liberals never cease to amaze. Smh.
No doubt every country’s beginning was written in blood. You find one that isn’t, pack your bags and gtfo.
As a real African American, someone who has an African parent and an American one (not to be confused with what the liberal racist society has deigned proper call Black Americans) I can tell you with certainty that all the black Americans that are crying tears of oppression and strife are much better off than they would be if their ancestors weren’t put on those boats. Cry about history all you want, fact is, you’re better off because of it.
Now your choice is either to honor the sacrifice of your ancestors by making the most out of what you’ve been given or cry and complain about injustices while your community self destructs.
If you liberals are so concerned with blacks and slavery, take that ass to Africa, it’s still going on over there. Now’s your chance to fight what you’re always crying about.
Black Americans, white liberals have you fooled, they’re distracting you from the real problems and confusing your minds with things meant to stir up strife in your heart.
If “racism” was gone tomorrow do you believe black Americans would suddenly explode with success, life skills, values etc.?
A community that exists without the backbone of the family and it’s values cannot thrive in modern society, it’s only the Truth.
Do we really believe that there is no effect or natural comeuppance for generations of children raised without a stable family? I’ve witnessed the decay caused by this with my own eyes.
I’ve lived in Nigeria and I’ve seen obscene amounts of poverty but the amount of squalor in the black community is something of its own. The problems faced by blacks are caused by a breakdown of the family and inability to assess positive role models as an effect of that breakdown.
Racism is involved but not in the way you pathetic liberals pretend that it is.
I know what I’m saying is not popular and that white racist liberals have fooled black Americans into believing that they’re adoption of a victim mentality is proper, altruistic and pro-black (?!) but I’m here to tell you that it’s bulkshit.
It’s just smoke and mirrors designed to exacerbate the true problem.
Nothing worse than reading a race baiting article by some small minded white guy with a knack for sophistry and little picture narrative followed by atta boys from blacks that support the ideology backing the piece.
You gotta wake up guys, there’s not much time left. All these white guys you think are your friends aren’t gonna give a shit when it hits the fan and the white guys you were trained to believe were your enemies are just gonna say “I told you so.”
Wake up black people.
The truth is obvious.
Acknowledgement of history, is not victimization… Talk that shit to the Hebrews and see how far you get.
You’re a fool but you cannot see it.
I never said acknowledgement of history is victimization, you’re just saying I did.
Everyone knows slavery happened. It still goes on in Africa today, does anyone do anything about it?
Victimization is victimization.
One person looks at the history of blacks in America and says “oh man, the world is racist against me, it will never let me succeed.”
Another person looks at it and says, “Despite all the racism that my people went through we still managed to excel. Became doctors and lawyers despite being challenged by more racism than we face today. We even managed to build a center of upper class commerce as far back as the early 1900s, called Black Wall Street. SO WHAT THE FUCK CAN RACISM DO TO STOP ME??”
The kicker is only one of those perspectives is supported by media, politicians, entertainers and liberal white undercover racists like you.
I bet you liberals have been unthinking for so long you can’t even perceive the tyranny in your broken and blinded ideology.
Pathetic!
I don’t really understand the argument that black Americans should stop complaining because they have it better here than they would in Africa. To suggest that white Americans ultimately did slaves a favor by bringing them over here is just about the most offensive thing I’ve ever heard.
Acknowledging the disparate treatment of people of color in the US, but rationalizing it based on the fact that brown-skinned Americans have it better than brown-skinned Africans, is racist as shit. It casts African Americans as a separate “subclass” of Americans who should accept inequality because it’s better than the presumed alternative, rather than recognizing them as being just as American as anyone else and therefore deserving of equal treatment to whites.
At the end of the day, an American is an American. All Americans deserve equal respect and access to the same opportunities as one another. The conditions in Africa are wholly irrelevant to how any American citizen should be treated.
Ok, so here we go.
First of all, no one is EXCUSING anything. You just made up that interpretation right out of the gate in order to give credence to your argument with some moral posturing. Read what I write not what you want to see.
Now, here’s what I’m trying to say, it’s just a basic tenet of reason that if you’re better off with something than without, it really makes no sense to complain.
Especially when that which you care about has no effect on the success of you or your offspring. The existence of slavery has very little to do with the quandary black Americans find themselves in today; until people begin assessing the society within that context, we’re going to keep getting distorted results.
On to your next fake argument.
I did not acknowledge any disparate treatment (?) of people of color nor did I rationalize it.
Again, you just made that up in your preemptive moral posturing routine like before.
All I said was that black Americans have it better than Africans because of slavery.
Do not moral posture or feign indignation, is that statement true or not?
Furthermore, nowhere did I concede that blacks were treated unfairly or lesser than whites, again, you’re putting words in my mouth in order to frame your argument.
I do not believe that blacks are treated unfairly by whites and general society BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.
Not only do I not believe it, good sir, I can tell you with certainty that it is not true.
I am black as pitch, was born in New York, lived in Nigeria for a time and grew up in the hoods of New York.
I am talking from experience, you are merely repeating the narrative you’ve been instructed to repeat.
If you, as a white man (assuming), good liberal that you are, truly believe that all races are equal and have the same capacity for understanding and critical thinking, how ridiculous is it for you, a white man, to condescend while discussing issues of blackness with a black man who is speaking from a perspective of unique experience.
Do you really believe that your intellect alone can give you the awareness necessary to argue about that which you have not lived?
I’m the only black person in my company but I’m also the highest paid in my division and I’m the only person who speaks to the director on a first name basis. Many children of black immigrants tell similar stories, always high paid and always one of the few blacks, if not the only.
Racist?
People that know the black community knows that it is not racist but, after all, you’re just a typical liberal white guy who repeats what feels good, you will never be able to understand the truth of the black community and its downfall.
And if you did, you wouldn’t even have the balls to talk about it.
I’m not trying to change your mind right now but in time after the shit hits the fan you will understand what I’m telling as for right now you can believe what you want; you’re just the typical unthinking millennial.
You can’t perceive the damage you’re doing until it’s already done, you’ll see.
Good post.
I’ll bet anyone that Kaepernick does not know his history at all and does not know the origins of this song. That kind of renders this whole, though quite interesting, article’s point mute. The oft-injured QB is dating an activist and his only contribution is sitting on the bench. If he put any effort into it, he’d donate a lot of his $$$ to charitable organizations that would help the black community. All he’s doing now is trying to get name out there again.
Great article!
What a “winner.” Yep, Colin Kaepernick takes the “award” this week for his cute stunt.
What a pitiful attempt to stay relevant. Yes, he led the 49er’s to a Super Bowl, but he flamed out, he peaked, and has played poorly since. No doubt team management had already been talking about trading him, and in my opinion, this little princess performance may have pushed that decision to the middle of the table!
How un-American. Ranting about Donald Trump at work! Imagine IF any of the majority of hard working Americans, who aren’t multi-million dollar sport stars, rock stars or actors were to stand up (or sit down) at work, protesting an American tradition and start rambling about political ideologies, the election and so forth, well how long do you think they’d keep *their* job?!
This is what happens when we over-pay and idolize these people. It’s like the “I’m not really a doctor, but I play one on TV” syndrome. Their EGO’s grow immensely and they believe their opinions are scripture, that they must share their vast “knowledge” to right wrongs and fix the world, because it really *is* that easy for *them*!
I feel sorry (not really) for Colin Kaepernick, he didn’t think this out, and now all of the folks that point out any disagreement with him will be labeled as “haters” or “the cause of the problem”, like the other football player that burned Colin’s jersey for his Snapchat, Twitter or Facebook feed. Colin has opened up a can of ignorant worms, and now he’ll have to eat them. Alternatively, he could take the podium and lay out his theories showing America the light, teaching us the error of our ways. I’m sure his EGO would agree he’s capable of it!
Bottom line: Football players should play football. Rock bands should make music. Actors should act. And politicians should be doing the politicking!
Colin buddy, drop the EGO and pick up a FOOTBALL, Lord knows you seem to need the practice!
God Bless America.
So no one should be allowed to live or comment outside of their chosen fields of employment? In that case, thanks for your comment, but go back to smashing keyboards and stacking papers, or whatever the hell you do to earn a living. Stay off comment boards unless you’re a professional commenter.
…maybe that’s why we don’t sing the 3rd verse… America doesn’t live up to anyone’s ideals. After all, we overlook Margaret Sanger’s deeply held racist activism, what’s one line in a forgotten verse of the national anthem that Margaret herself would have been proud to sing loudly for all to hear?
Reading these comments I’m starting to think “patriotism” and the Dunning–Kruger effect may be co-morbid.
I would “love/like button” this comment if I could.
“. . .’patriotism’ and the Dunning–Kruger effect may be co-morbid.”
I’d bet on it. ;^)
Weaver, that is perhaps the most intelligent statement of all of these comments. Thank you for bringing up the Dunning-Kruger effect so effectively. Simply brilliant!
The, Star Spangled Banner, is a terrible national anthem. It is hard to sing. The melody is not American being a British drinking song, To Anacreon on High, and it celebrates an obscure battle in a not particularly justifiable war.
We might make, God Bless America, our national anthem. It is a fine song which is easy to sing. It was written by an immigrant, one of those person who have made USA great. The virtues it promotes are far more American thanour present national anthem.
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Actually the music of the Star Spangled Banner is not bad, almost Wagnerian, but the words need to be changed to more accurately reflect the values of America’s ruling class:
O! say can you see, by Wall Street’s bright light
How so profitably set sail, all the young soldiers dreaming
Whose blood guts and brains, were not splattered in vain
O’er the oilfields of Iraq, they were so gallantly streaming.
And the banker’s cold stare, the bonds managed with care,
gave proof through the night, our portfolio was still there.
O! say do your fund returns still make ’em rave,
With profits tax-free, off the backs of the slaves?
(Public domain, all rights relinquished, enjoy!)
“… almost Wagnerian …” Too funny!
I always turn the shit down when a TV pumps it at me so I don’t trip over that Tristan Chord.
I completely agree with this thinking.
Jon schwarz is a dum bass
Make up your mind.
…And hours of listening to Stairway to Heaven and Snowblind have made me an atheist. (sarcasm). Perhaps someone should inform Mr Kaepernick that he’s violating U.S. Code Title 36 Subtitle I› Part A Chapter 3 § 301 (b) (1) (C). Or not. Since it appears it’s becoming increasingly more popular to ridicule our country than it is to be proud of it or make it better. I got an idea. Instead of whining, how about we do something nonviolent to make a difference. A celebrity sitting during the National Anthem does nothing but give him an additional 10 minutes of fame. What else is he doing to make a difference? Is he donating time to raise awareness other than the minute it takes to sing the National Anthem? Is he donating money to causes trying to make a difference? Anyone can sit on their butt and say they want change. We need people who are willing to back up their words with deeds.
And perhaps there’s a reason we only sing the first verse of The National Anthem and don’t teach the rest to our children. But thanks for bringing the rest of the verses to our attention. It really helped the current situation in our country enormously.
Shorter Chris: “Don’t tell the children who we really are, or even remind the rest of us.”
“America the Beautiful” can be used an alternative national anthem. I l know some American athletes have requested it at the Olympics.
African-Americans also have an anthem: “Lift Every Voice and Sing.” It was written in part because many black people were uncomfortable with the Star-Spangled Banner.
I was in the minority opinion in the last week of being in support of Kaepernick with respect to not standing for the Star spangled banner.
Thank you Mr. Shwarz for giving us all a refresher course of the war of 1812. I admit that I myself was not aware of the words “No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave”. However since I worked in the U.K. I was reminded that the national anthem was just a rewording of a British drinking song.
Since then, I too have come to realize that the national anthem needs to be changed to something more meaningful and drop the words “the land of the free and the home of the brave” (now that Edward Snowden is in exile in Russia).
Hardly any American knows the history of the star spangled banner or that it was penned during the war of 1812, or all the words. To keep that old tired tune at this point would be like keeping the confederate flag.
Kudos to Kaepernick. Black lives DO matter.
I bet that guy enjoys his million dollar paychecks. Is he gonna give some money or sweat back to his community? Is he gonna try to educate people about the legislative process & get people involved? Or is he just gonna sit there? What he’s doing is negating decades of progress. (There are no rich, black business men, or generals, or judges, or presidents, no way, sir!) And he’s focusing his anger on the wrong thing. Our government isn’t perfect but it’s a fine system with the tools to correct injustice & that’s what we’ve been doing for decades now. if he want’s to do his little protest at football games, then he should qualify it by indicting whatever he feels are the specific offenders in this country cuz just being pizzt off at vague injustices aint gonna get him any supporters.
He’s been involved with raising money for Camp Taylor (http://www.kidsheartcamp.org/) since he joined the NFL in 2011. He’s been hosting their annual fund raising golf tournament it seems from when it started 4 years ago. The 2016 iteration of the fund raising golf tournament raised 900K. Link for you, http://tinyurl.com/hpx9ezg. He’s also donated money personally.
So, yeah, he’s given both money and sweat back to his community and to a cause he believes in.
Of course, the truth of that won’t effect your opinion either way.
As soon as the slaves joined the British, they became the enemy during war. When it was over, many returned to their masters for safe haven.
Somebody move to Somalia
A pretty sad piece of journalism, Jon, starting with the headline: “Righter” that makes me wonder whether English is your native language. Then there is the inuendo: Key worked as a district attorney in DC, where some of the police were thieves, and a black woman was killed, ergo Key was a racist. Perhaps you should return to writing articles about Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, where your excesses and poor grammar will not be noticed.
Did you read the article?…Especially the part where he OWNED slaves….can’t get much more racist than that.The only thing sad here is your understanding…..
Is the dictionary wrong about righter?
Key owned slaves doesn’t that make him a racist?
Did you skip the paragraph where he quoted Key explicitly defending the police when they were criticized for not investigating the murder of a black woman?
Headlines are typically written by an editor, not the author, and “righter” is indeed a word. You might want to look it up. And there is no need for innuendo. Key owned a half dozen slaves and spelled out his feelings to a jury in one case: “Are you willing, gentlemen, to abandon your country, to permit it to be taken from you, and occupied by the abolitionist, according to whose taste it is to associate and amalgamate with the negro?”
I find it interesting that you are being completely dismissive of the FACTS of this piece, because they don’t support your perspective. Truth does not change, even if you don’t like…
Now that you’ve declared your distaste for the article, based on one sentence you take issue with and on your opinion of what is and what isn’t acceptable English language, what do you think of the actual point of the piece? Before answering that please read this longer piece on the same subject, which also addresses some very large percent of the ignorant, racist or outright lame comments that have appeared in this thread.
‘Getting away with murder’ — the four words Kaepericks critics won’t tackle
AGAIN, numerous studies have proven that blacks are no more likely than whites to be the victims of police related deaths when one factors in the rate that each is involved in violent crime as a percent of population. Citing an article that lists four cases wherein every accused police officer was exonerated of any wrongdoing by GRAND JURIES is a rather lame way to lend support to this piece of echo-journalism. The case of Michael Brown was especially revealing as it demonstrated the degree to which black witness testimony did not comport with indisputable forensic evidence. That did not stop BlackLivesMatters from continuing to endorse the racially-biased perception that Mr. Brown had his hands clearly above his head when shot. More recently still, black racial bias resulted in riots when Sylville Smith was recently shot by police officers in Milwaukee – even the victims sister was caught on tape encouraging blacks to take their violent racist grievances to the “suburbs.” And again, BlackLivesMatters used social media to garner the false claim that Mr. Smith was shot in the back while attempting to flee. The police body cam footage of this incident shows that Mr. Smith pointed a stolen loaded gun at a BLACK police officer after fleeing from a traffic stop.
Hey Karl, you’re racist prick, and I should never bother even doing this much in reply to the same bullshit you repeat as often as you’re around to repeat it, but for the sake of anyone who cares about what trash you write, which judging by how many people reply to you when you follow me around, which seems to be pretty much no one at all, I’m including this quote from the article. Before I do that, though, I have to repeat, you’re a racist prick.
“1,200 people killed by American police in 2015, only seven cases resulted in charges — a ridiculously tiny number… Not one single police officer was convicted for an on-duty death in 2015.”
Leading with personal insults does not bode well for the rest of your comment…
Oh, so you chose to cite a long winded, racially biased article for the purpose of conveying a single unspecified factoid which you now claim “addresses some very large percent of the ignorant, racist or outright lame comments that have appeared in this thread”?
Beyond the fact that this response is pure bullshit, did it ever occur to you that exactly the same factoid could be used by police in support of their claim that the use of deadly force was justified in the overwhelming number of reported cases?
You make showing you to be a moron absolute child’s play. I’ll just let your moronic, “did it ever occur to you” stand on it’s own. Your contention that, at least, 1,193 out of 1,200 AOKay killings is just so fucking plausible. You have to be yanking my chain. You can’t truthfully be that stupid or that much in denial.
Even in the posting of the exact language that I used, you still chose to intentionally misinterpret that which I said. – and you call me “moronic.” I never “contended” anything. I clearly demonstrated that the statistics that you belatedly chose to cite in support of your own position were utterly useless to that purpose. You decided to condemn 24b4Jeff for basing his opinion on a single sentence and then fall into the very hole that you dug for him. (chuckle)
Do you or do you not think it is even .0001 percent plausible that virtually all killings by police are justified? Because if you don’t believe that, then your statement to me about the quote I used could be used against my point is that of a liar or a moron. If you do believe that that number is plausible, you are unquestionably moronic; which would certainly be due in part to your deep racism.
Under US law, every person is considered innocent until proven guilty in court of law; this includes police officers. It seems that there cannot be single police related death of a black suspect without the progressive court of public opinion rushing to an immediate judgement of GUILTY. Don’t take my word for it. Go back over the news accounts of the most notable cases and examine how the narrative always begins and ends with the presumption of guilt. Even when the evidence overwhelming supports the Police officer’s version of events, people like you come along and completely ignore the fact that both judges and or mixed-race juries are exonerating the officers after dispassionately weighing all of that evidence. Rather, you make specious arguments of probability in absence of any context at all; this is the very definition of bias.
‘ More right’ would have been ‘more better':)? And read comment by Key on the death of the woman and try to understand it.
The British were using mercenaries (hirleings) and slaves in the U.S. to fight against us. That song has nothing to do with wanting slaves to die. He was documenting what he saw while he was being held captive on a British ship. You sir are a complete moron.
“The British were using mercenaries (hirelings) and slaves in the U.S. to fight against us.”
AND THEY STILL ARE
Wow. Revise history much? The War of 1812 was due to the fact that Britain was capturing our ships and kidnapping US seaman and impressing them into service. Conditions on British ships were brutal. They were also interfering with our right to trade with other nations; their allies would hold our ships and crew for ransom. They did try to invade us from Canada. They successfully attacked and invaded Washington DC. As for hoping to enlist slaves for their side, I’m sure they tried that. It was the Revolutionary War that England made a concerted effort to enlist the services of enslaved men. After the war, some of the men were freed and some were returned to slavery. The British didn’t abolish slavery in their country and colonies until well after the War of 1812.
In this age, the worse oppressors of people of color are themselves, in their own communities. I know, I work with disadvantaged youth in the neighborhoods.
Wow indeed. This is the classic version of 1812 as writ in U.S. school text books. While the British did indeed impress American seamen, the Americans started the war itself. The White House was burned in retaliation for the burning of the legislature buildings in York (Toronto) during the American invasion of Upper Canada (Ontario) in 1813.
Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807. You are correct that they didn’t finally abolish slave ownership until 1838. Units of free men fought on the British side in Upper Canada.
Another lesser known fact is that a great many “Americans”, relocated Loyalists, fought against the U.S. invasion in Upper Canada. There were more of these ex-pats in Upper Canada than Canadians in 1812. Many had already had their land confiscated once and were properly motivated to resist.
Your not serious right? Your claiming the whole star spangled banner was written about slaver, based on 1 sentenced in it? You liberal media are getting really ridiculous in finding new ways to ecite racism in this country. Stop pushing your political nonsense on the rest of this GREAT country. You and the rest of the liberal idiots don’t like it, LEAVE. You won’t be missed.
Kaepernick is right? He said, “There’s people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable. People are being given paid leave for killing people.”
Is he accusing President Obama, Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch of being pro-white, anti-black racists? Because if these shootings were not justified and motivated by racism, and the local authorities let them get away with it, our Justice Department can and are obligated to charge these officers with a federal hate crime. In fact, Eric Holder and Lotetta Lynch have reviewed the evidence of all such cases, and have not found evidence to indict any of these officers. So either Holder and Lynch are pro-white racists, or they are incompetent, or Kaepernick is wrong? You choose.
Recently, the DoJ issued a report documenting numerous abuses by Baltimore Police officers over an extended period of time. (If you missed it, The Intercept reported it.) Did they charge any officers? No.
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/vindication-for-baltimore-police-critics-but-no-action/
Meanwhile, in regards to the riots in Baltimore, the Federal government (NOT the State or Local government) has convicted five people (minimum) for rioting and other crimes connected to the riots, as of July 19th.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/man-admits-federal-arson-during-2015-baltimore-riots
The facts speak for themselves.
I was not aware, but I thank God there are still those who dig a little deeper into situations which occur and not just trust everything professed by main stream media.
Alright I am sick of the lets dissect history of the US for its evils! Because you know what anyone who understands history knows it as EVIL. it was evil to those in slavery, it was evil to Irish immigrants, it was of evil to children placed on orphan trains, and the Chinese sacrificed to build railroads, it was evil to women, and the poor, and children made to work in factories. The thing is it is SLOWLY and painfully moved beyond this to a present that is by no means perfect but is BETTER than it was. America is about the IDEALS we struggle to achieve, not the carnage we have left behind.
Divisive rhetoric does nothing to divide. Do you know the main group in the abolition movement was women, and that without men on their side women would never have gotten the right to vote. So we need each other, and it seems that HATE on BOTH sides is spilling out and Kapernick’s wrong has nothing to do with not STANDING it has to do with being deliberately divisive drawing that line that implies it is US against THEM and never saying WE
If you take your little quote a place it in the context of the song, then Keys was actually lamenting the DEATHS of those that died in that fort, EVEN the slaves. As that was the period and era he lived in it would have been more heinous to FORGET that slaves died in keeping that fort as well. WE can not change history, so we stop we need to stop using it as an EXCUSE not to TRY to strive to meet the IDEALS we fall so short of achieving.
Except… Kaepernick’s protest had nothing to do with the original lyrics of the song, in his own words. And, we no longer sing those verses, effectively removing them from the anthem, for good reason.
Yes, slavery existed in America at its founding. It existed at some historical point in every single land that humans have touched. But this is not 1812 or 1960, even. And the Stars and Stripes is _not_ the same as the Confederate flag, as Kaepernick stated.
He is well within his rights to protest and I support that right fully. That still does not mean his protest is reasonable, effective at solving anything or prudent.
I might also note about 90% of the rap albums from the Chronic onward have celebrated and glorified the slaughter of African Americans. I wonder how many people in support of Kaepernick of stood for and/or financially supported those.
Usually, one writes from their own perspective. And his perspective was that, (and I know this is novel) the other side and all of it’s soldiers were the enemy.)
But thanks for bringing this all up. The country owes you a debt of gratitude.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Really interesting story, I had no idea.
I always liked “America the Beautiful” better. When I was a kid I thought “‘play ball” was the last words of the anthem . Russia National Anthem is much more majestic but I am no music critic.
The pint of this man’s protest is their is much now not to stand, double entendre, for. I still stand for the good that is left and will work with all my heart, balls and brain to make America a place where he and I can stand together for our Anthem.
Well, Fred, it’s not really supposed to be about the musical quality, but I must agree with you, and, having also been tortured with the British and Canadian anthems, have leapt to the conclusion that English speaking people cannot write good national anthems. Russia, Germany, France are all in an entirely different league, and I agree, Alexandrov nailed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sxTbfeYdO0
I applaud you, Fred, for being one of the few (in this thread, anyway) who understand the main theme behind the our theme song…having & upholding & honoring that which is ours, this country, our home…it may not ever be perfect, that doesn’t mean we should abandon it, or make drastic changes in it, just to appease someone who hates us anyway…& always will… They want to tear us down, destroy us completely, just because they think they deserve more, more, more… I believe that anything worth believing in is worth standing for, even if you have to stand alone… I never really heard of sitting down for something that you are pretending to stand for, & in truth, sitting implies a certain amount of laziness, unless your job requires it, or you are unable
Colin speak the truth but watch your back, this so called America don’t like people talking about her….WAKE UP black people.
I thought that was taking satisfaction in putting down a all those of defected to the opposition?
Not surprised, American ideals are messed up. I love Canada. The police system in both countries though have a serious problem, they are undertrained.
And Colin Kaepernick knows any of this? There are some interesting points made in this article, but nobody in modern times sings the national anthem to glorify slavery. Kaepernick is just an ungrateful prick who’s refusing to look at the big picture.
Please then why now? Has he always sat for it? No?
It’s because he converted to Islam on the off season and hates American and EVERYTHING about it. He fooled everyone into thinking it’s a black issue. Open your eyes people
I really enjoyed reading this and was going to share but is Righter a word??
Wow, this author could not be more wrong on various points. I care not to educate him or those blind lemmings that hang on his every word, as his arrogance (coupled with his ignorance) tells me it is not worth my time. Yes Key probably viewed blacks as inferior, but that is all this hack got correct. Leave it to a liberal to attempt to rewrite history. Maybe that is why credible publications do not waste their time with the likes of Jon Schwartz either.
It’s amazing how you liberals only want to cite history when it conforms with your narrative.
Yet, you try to rewrite history when it doesn’t conform to your narrative. (The other 99% of the time)
As opposed to reactionaries, er, excuse me, conservatives, who merely wish to exclude its teaching from school, or approve only those history textbooks with their perspective. Such as in “The war between the states was fought over trade policies”, or such as “There have never been Palestinians in Judea”. (I include the last in recognition of the sad truth that it is not a uniquely American phenomenon.
Great article!!!! The truth needs to be told!!
I support his right not to stand! Amerikkka showed its double standards during the Olympics when Black athletes were frowned upon for not having their hands over their hearts during the national anthem (which I also support) but was quiet when white athletes did the same! On foreign soil no less! Now suddenly everybody is trying to tell this young man that he is wrong, he’s not really Black, he should be grateful, he came from white money – how dare him, he’s making money playing football – that’s your reparations THE STUPIDEST COMMENTS I’VE EVER HEARD! These folks are losing their collective minds. I have fought in the military for him to have that right, just as you people have the right to voice your opinions! We will never agree on all things but in this country, everyone have the right to peacefully protest. And whether or not you agree with it, it’s still very legal
Besides, there will always be deeper issues that need to be addressed in these trying times!
The is dumb. Kaepernick didn’t reference the anthem, he referenced the flag. Furthermore, the anthem has come to represent the embodiment of American principles. Maybe that’s why we DON’T sing the verses this article refers to.
if America is not great because of past mistakes, why are liberals great despite theirs?
Dam it is so refreshing to see that someone actually knows the real history
Kaepernick and Jon have interpreted the lyrics to suite their cause but in truth:
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
http://m.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
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First, lets look at his extension of sympathy to the family in his first tweet. Second, we can now consider the message, not the messenger. He may be trying to open the CAN OF DISCUSSION with a crowbar, but his intentions are good.
There is too much violence within our cities, resulting in the deaths of BLACK AMERICANS, innocent and not-so innocent alike. the former garners much sympathies and sadness, but no solutions or valid recommendations are offered to remedy an acute problem ( like it or not ) that results in an average of just under 10,000 BLACK MURDERS annually ( by fellow Blacks … but we’ll leave that part of the story for another discussion on another day ).
TRUMP, will INCLUDE BLACKS in the revitalization, REFORMATION, and REFURBISHING of AMERICA that has lost much of its glimmer and shine over time and needs a good cleansing. IF the Urban markets are REDEVELOPED, with JOBS for RESIDENTS and those residents begin to EARN, PAY TAXES and PARTICIPATE in economic advancement, a great portion of the thunder will abate and people will regain a reality that inclusdes a better life for their children, a family unit that contains MOTHERS and FATHERS, an education system that prepares its students for a REAL WORLD, JOBS, AND SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITY ….not everyone needs to understand the diference between INFER and IMPLY, where CRIMEA is located, and what the SQUARE ROOT of the SQUARE ROOT is…… they can become DOCTORS ( who wants that job today ?) , LAWYERS ( WE have ten times as many as we need ), STEM PROFESSIONALS, if they chose, but education has to be resurfaced to include the creation of WORKER READY status to gain employment and make a meaningful income as respected participants in a social structure that blends with an economic structure that works for the MIDDLE INCOME, welcomes new members to the MIDDLE INCOME and protects their futures by assigning the responsibility to fashion that future to the participant himself or herself.
The DONALD gets it ….. JOBS, INNER CITY DEVELOPMENT and the RESTORATION of the BLACK AMERICAN FAMILY UNIT will resolves the struggles of perceived inequality and lack of opportunity, while the other politicians avoid such discussion, speak down to their audience, adopt a phony-baloney urban dialect, and offer bromides about a Happy Future without ever doing a thing except nurturing a growing population of HAVE NOTS, who observe the HAVES and wonder “why ?”
The answer to WHY may very well be staring you in the face Mr. Cheadle, but you are too quick, too judgmental and closed minded to hear the words as you stop listening and ,by doing so, you perpetuate the very thing that you would wish could change or , in fact, was changed.
http://interc.pt/2bskw9s
The verse about slavery was a direct reference to the British kidnapping American navy and forcing them to work, which played a huge role in the cause of that war. Get your facts straight you fuckin idiots
You are so wrong it is laughable. The War of 1812 began with British Men of War stopping US merchant ships, and impressing United States citizens under the silly notion once an Englishman, always an Englishman. They needed the sailors because they were in a war in Europe. And they didn’t stop until Andy Jackson kicked their asses down around New Orleans and the Navy started kicking ass and not bothering to take names. Before you give out history lessons, do a little research.
Take #7 and your sorry a**s to africa & see if you get paid to beat on a hollow log and chase monkees for dinner…
Scott Key was the MD state’s atty who aggressively and selectively prosecuted Prudence Crandall’s brother for the crime of being an abolitionist. She may have put some literature in his suitcase, and he was arrested in Baltimore and searched based on his famous sister’s reputation. He died in prison. I like America the Beautiful.
Another ‘journalist’ using a bogus headline that is a lie.
Duh. That 3rd section of the SSB is ANTI slavery and indentured servitude and its hopelessness. Francis Scott Key was hardly racist. What a dumb article
Glenn will be on Democracy now this morning (starting immediately as of this comment).
https://twitter.com/democracynow/status/770222750594138112
Nice article.. you’ve roused the people to think.
Well, two cents more: the British were tricking black folks into allegiance and to fight. They were using them. This, arguably, isn’t a good thing.
In the same way Lincoln wisely co-opted the slavery issue for his own tyranny.
In the same way Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, etc. U.S. Administrations past and future, have and will co-opt some issue not out of goodness or rightness but for power and glory.
Explain how they were tricked. They got their freedom. They got 16 acres of land.
Hell, explain Lincoln’s tyranny.
History speaks for itself. The freedom that resulted from the Emancipation Proclamation was merely an illusion for all practical purposes. Having grown up in the deep south I can say from experience that as of the time I left in the late ’60s – more than a century after the end of the US Civil War – blacks were still being systematically denied the right to vote, to live where they wanted, to have access to quality education and good paying jobs, and systematically subjected to repression by the police. And it was, and is, not only in the states of the former Confederacy that these practices persist.
@JCDavis: Sorry. My sarcasm detector malfunctioned.
You said, “the British were tricking black folks into allegiance and to fight,” and you can’t explain that by referring to Lincoln.
No, I did not. And I was under the impression that you were.
I’ve quoted you exactly. How did the British trick “black folks” into fighting?
Wasn’t that ContinuousDeception not 24b4Jeff?
That for 24b4Jeff or the first guy?
It was “ContinuousDeception” who wrote: “the British were tricking black folks into allegiance and to fight.” Not 24b4Jeff. (I disagree.)
Sorry if it’s not the same person, Mona, but since it’s so easy to change your posting name here, I assumed it was. So I put the question to ContinuousDeception, how was the British tricking blacks to fight?
“ContinuousDeception” and “24b4Jeff” are not the same person; and that’s not deception.
Correction: post below should read ..enlistment tactics on ‘free thinking’.. not of
It’s an old trick by the way (if you accept that it’s a trick). Napoleon used trickery to conscript forces and motivate them and wrote about it; also, General Duckboard wrote about it in “War is a Racket” under the section “Who Pays the Bills?”
It has nothing to do with black people, and everything to do with kidnapped Americans who were forced into servitude on British Warships, which was one of the reasons that this battle was fought in the first place.
“It has nothing to do with black people, and everything to do with kidnapped Americans who were forced into servitude on British Warships”
Then why does Key gloat that they ran away or were killed? Why does he put them in the came category as “the hireling”? Seems more logical that he meant “slave” to be exactly that. He had six of his own and despised those who advocated their liberation.
Are you referring to the British giving the slaves who fought for them in the War of 1812 sixteen acres of land?
Yes, and their freedom. Were they promised more than that?
Very well:
They were tricked (perhaps) in the same way that, as a modern day ex., Cindy Sheehan’s son and Michael Moore’s 911 portrays enlistment tactics of ‘free thinking’ and oft times underclass / poor folks w/o much prospect for a good future otherwise are tricked.
Of course others might say, you’re not tricked into military service you have a mind and forethought right, you’re getting your VA benefit of thousands of dollars for college, a house loan, and you get to ‘fight for your freedom’ too, if you live through training and consequent field work… And so then the 1812 slaves weren’t tricked either. They got their freedom and land.
You get a ‘volunteer’ ‘professional’ army in this way. The British were using slaves in Jamaica, right? So were they accepting blacks from the fledgling U.S. out of the goodness or rightness of their hearts…. or weren’t they?
The British did not protect and free the slaves for protection and freedom sake; they did it to get something in exchange. And doesn’t this still go on?
Aren’t we still offering to protect and free the world in exchange for something? Is the U.S. doing this in Africa right now?
Maybe it’s just a matter of perspective.
“And so then the 1812 slaves weren’t tricked either. They got their freedom and land.”
There was no need to go on past that.
Wow, what nonsense, One the the greatest double spies in the Revolution was a black man that betrayed Cornwallis. And what purpose does quoting an abolitionist from that era do? One only has to read the Intercept to know that conflicting and arcane views have always been put in print. Paper don’t care what is written on it. Millions of white men fought for black freedom and somehow that gets thrown away by you anarchists. Democrats helping blacks kill their babies is an issue. Blacks cranking out kids without fathers is an issue. Blacks failing to get an education is an issue. Blacks continuing to support liberal white politicians is a bigger cause of their problems than anything else. Dr. King would be ashamed of this kind of rhetoric. And I should know, I knew Dr. King and what you foment is not his dream. .
Do not portray the British as noble saviors of slaves…they started enslaving the Irish and Africans way before the United States.
Your hypothesis is stretching the truth.
I think you take too much for granted. When you say that Key took great satisfaction in the death of the slaves, I think you mistake being accurate in writing what happened with personal happiness. I do not know either, but I am willing to bet that he was not taking satisfaction in anything but fact that we had not lost. I do not believe that anyone who is a witness to the atrocities of war takes delight in them. One can only record them for posterity, and let future generations make of the facts what they will. Those lines you quote are records of what happened, and do not sound as though they are written by someone who is taking pride in the death of others, but is letting people know that even though our flag was still there in the morning, the battle cost both sides dearly. There is this wonderful thing objectivity, you should look into it.
Interesting note about the Anthem. I was ignorant to this verse and would promote an edit. However, it was clear that Kaepernick was also ignorant of this distinction. He is simply anti-America. In speaking with a good friend of mine, who is black; I said that there is no end to the negative things black America can point to in our past. What is the ask??? Anarchy? We all need to begin to look at our lives in the current context and continue to drive towards a better future. Simply protesting because somebody convinced him to do so is shallow and damaging to the good fight many of you are fighting. Finding reasons that there is no way he would have been linked to just makes him look more ignorant.
Y aren’t people up in arms about all the murders in the United states where African Americans killing African americas and innocent people u put all white people as racist yet there r more African Americans that r racist he sure did accept a free ride in school and now has taken millions from a white man but hasn’t helped his own people
This young man is a true leader just like other leaders who where at first scorned by the corrupt corporate deserters. All hated by the white masses MLK, Ali, Malcolm X, even Edward Snowden. The violent racist hypocrisy is alive and well in america. I hope more players follow the leader.
To include Kaepernick in the group you mentioned is, in my opinion, ludicrous. Also, several other professional athletes have made public statements concerning violence against blacks. They just chose other platforms and methods. BTW: I personally don’t care that much about flags and anthems – they are but “things” – symbolic of a myriad of causes; but I do try to show at least a modicum of respect for those who do care about such things.
Are you joking? How is he a leader? So what we have a line in a song that said we would kill slaves for joining the British. Last time I checked we fought the British so that we could have our freedoms but killing our enemies in a time of war is wrong apparently. Or is it just because it was the blacks? Killing the British trying to kill you is cool but trying to kill the blacks trying to kill you is uncalled for? This man is not a leader he is a disgrace. The National Anthem is not racist. Not everyone is out to get you and kill you. Please grow up.
Great article. Thank you breaking the anthem down into some meaning. There’s alot behind this anthemn. This is why knowing your history is very important.
I dont think that’s what that song stands for, at least now. Also, i dont think that’s what Colin K didnt stand for.
John Schwartz….you show your ignorance more each day.
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
I am in New York and agree completely with Kaepernick…. any Hunan being who does not is just a racist and should enforce their second amendment right to bare arm’s against themselves and do this Country a huge favor.
“Or maybe it’s not, and Kaepernick is right, and we really need a new national anthem.”
Nah. The hypocrisy of our anthem fits us perfectly.
The hypocrisy, the willful ignorance of the truth (both presently, and at the time, when the ‘brave defenders’ of the fort were helpless to do anything but cower in whatever shelter they could, and hope that the British, who had effectively already won the war, weren’t going to close the range -which would put them within range of the American fire – and destroy the Fort, or land troops and capture it) the visceral hostility towards someone who does recognize the truth…yes, you nailed it, the American anthem does fit perfectly.
Has everyone become Lemmings? Do you blindly belive, because it is printed it must be true? Do you research, don’t blindly follow this ass hat .
As a veteran. SF trained etc, you are tought the flag is nothing more than a rag it’s the principles of the nation that matter. Frankly this nation is a fucking mess because both major parties are taking corporation money. That’s right people the same people telling you that they are working to get you a living wage are taking hundreds of millions from billion dollar corporations. More importantly those same corporations from the military industrial complex will keep us in perpetual war forever. Keep rolling out the destroyed bodies of the pawns we ship over to do our capitalist dirty work on thr sidelines of your silly football games while the rich keep screwing over the working man and poor. Cheers to my black Brothers and sisters who are in the money with the integrity to step up!
Hillary Clinton is the status quo. Go Packers!
It funny how when the truth presented to people of non-color they always have to try and it back in there favor. It just like saying Baseball is America’s favorite past time. When the reality is America’s favorite past time was and always will be SLAVERY. . CHURCH
That was an awesome article that few will read and all should understand, but our government depends on this idiotically blind patriotism to conduct it’s capitalist wars for the military industrial complex.
Both major parties are now owned by the corporations. Democracy in America is gone and all the bad that was done through back door lobbyists will now fall upon us like “on steroids”.
Vote for Trump to destroy the fraud Democratic party and we will rebuild from the ashes…
Slavery still exists and has just been converted to corporate slavery. We are just’ Willing Slaves’ which is the title of a book by Madeleine Bunting.
America and its multi national corporations also continue to exploit slave labour in many countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, India, Bangladesh, and China. Workers conditions are appalling, very long hours, and often for less than a few dollars a day.The trade pacts like the TPP will only make the situation worse.
These multinational corporations and their greedy, selfish, power crazy, psychopathic, elite owners are automating out as many jobs in the West as possible to reduce their labour costs, and to create high unemployment. They want to ensure that there is a huge labor pool of desperate people willing to work for a pittance. They are investing in many disruptive technologies including Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, Smart Machines, 3D Printing, Driverless vehicles, Drone Deliveries, Self Service Web Portal to create a machine age. One fifth of all jobs will be wiped out within the next four to five years and inequality will continue to increase leaving only the super rich and the poor. The blog below shows the reality of what its going to be like to be ‘Dispossessed in the land of dreams’ :
https://newrepublic.com/article/124476/dispossessed-land-dreams
If people want to protect jobs, and to ensure future employment for their children, then they must refuse to consume goods and services which are not supplied by humans. They must refuse to self serve, and reduce online shopping. People must refuse to use smart machines, and insist on human service, boycotting companies that use AI and robots.
Write on, write on…
This is burned in by laser scan. Some of us were kept alive… to work… loading bodies. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal motherfuckers into junk. He turned it around. He brought us back from the brink. His name is Connor. John Connor. Your son, Sarah… your unborn son.
Read and learn :
Digital Disruption Unleashing The Next Wave of Innovation James Mc Quivey
Robots will steal your job Pederico Pistono
Rise of the Robots, Technology and the threat of a jobless future Martin Ford
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33327659
Exactly! Imagine all the blacksmith jobs that were lost due to car manufacturing! Get rid of cars, bring back the horse and wagon, get those blacksmith and furriers and carriage maker jobs back in the US!
How about the Army you fucking twat? I work 11+ hours a day and if I was paid hourly would be about $1.00/hr. We are on call 24/7.
Much you say is true and the elites have a bad “model’ that will pull them and us over the “edge.” However, invention and the future will come. The new modernity need not be a nightmare. Mankind must control population, conserve resource, and invent a new model were many only work part time but still have good quality of life.
An acre of land, a garden and “zero” house with limited environmental footprint, good education internet for recreation and learning if you will, can grant a good life with a 20 hr work week. Even cities can be more “green and grow” with new technology. We must use the future technologies to human advantage not corporate greed. If we over populate and continue to expand expectations and consumption the four horsemen got the future.
See Zero House, way over priced but could be scaled to cheap mass production.
http://zerohouse.net/wordpress/
Fred, I like your vision Fred, but I wonder how the millions of people that lose their jobs to technological unemployment, are going to survive financially? Even if we assume that there will be an abundance of part time, 20 hour jobs available then how are people going to afford their living costs? Mass unemployment, and its resulting increase in poverty, and wage reduction, will inevitably result in a massive crime increase, and social unrest. The problem with this 4th industrial revolution (the machine age) is that it consists of multiple technologies, all coming together in a wave of destruction. The processing power and capabilities of AI are also growing, and as it grows the more types of jobs and processes can be automated. The safest jobs apparently, are those that require a mix of physical and mental capabilities like house cleaners, plumbers and electricians!
The technologies which I listed are already taking more jobs than are being created, and this is why in the USA, and in many Western economies middle class jobs and wages have fallen sharply. We will be left with countries where only the super rich, and poor exist, and that degree of inequality is going to cause massive social problems. I am very concerned by the lack of public debate, and the complete lack of planning. Its like people are sticking their heads in the sand and saying “it will all be alright it won’t be my job that goes, and if it does I will be able to get another”. Wrong, Think again.Technological unemployment is a real and massive threat, and without very careful planning, and examination of the social consequences its going to become a total nightmare.
“I am very concerned by the lack of public debate, and the complete lack of planning.”
Bingo, across all areas of government, war, race and so on.
Um, no. The War of 1812 was not started as a war of aggression by the United States upon Britain. War was declared because of a multitude of reasons, the primary one being British impressment of American sailors onto British warships. Only after war was declared was the first offensive move of invading Canada made because, you know, invading England was going to be a bit rough on the fledgling nation and it’s baby navy.
“invading Canada made because, you know, invading England was going to be a bit rough”
Like when attacking Saudi Arabia for 9/11 would have been too difficult for a lot of reasons, so we attacked everyone else.
You’re pretty much the worst troll ever.
Canada was a part of the British Empire at the time. The US was, in effect, invading Britain. Your bit about Saudi Arabia might be right but has nothing to do with this.
You’ve put your finger on our real goal in 1812, which was to grab Canada for ourselves. Jefferson thought taking it in great chunks would be easy, that it “will be a mere matter of marching; & will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, & the final expulsion of England from the American continent.”
Nice of you to omit what sort of ships the American sailors were impressed from. Hint, they were exactly the sort of ships you’d expect to be trying to run an antislavery blockade.
Whatever you do here, don’t tell the truth. They can’t handle it.
Well said Fin Alyn,
I would have liked to read an article from a actual journalist and a person who knows history and reports with proper historical facts. This article is one-sided that whiffs of Jon’s agenda. As a journalists, Jon should write about both sides of the argument and let the reader decide what is right or wrong. Rather, Jon left us with an op-ed that turned out to be fluff.
Here’s my worthless op-ed on the matter. Colin Kaepernick probably did not and will never put deep thought into deciding to not stand for the national anthem. Rather, Colin is acting on emotion, and is trying to get his fellow Americans to notice that we still have an issue with racism in this country. As a person that is always stopped at airports and is looked at like I will steal something from a store, I under stand his frustration. With that said, I still love the American flag and my national anthem. Just because others are acting on fear and ignorance in their judgment towards me does not mean I will turn my back on my country, flag, anthem, and or fellow citizens. I know that without this great country my family’s home land would not have existed today. Furthermore without American intervention my family would still be slaves under the Muslim Sharia law. It blows my mind that privileged people like Jon Swartz and Michael Moore, grow up to hate this great nation. I wish their was a way for these self hating Americans to experience the depressive, stagnant, suicidal existence of a true socialist country or a country that is under Sharia law that taxes, oppresses, enslaves, and ethnically cleanses none Muslims?
Jon Swartz If you read this… P.S. “Then conquer we must, when our cause is just, And this be our motto: In God is our trust
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!”
Righter? Who the hell says, “righter”?
Wow, that in itself is cringeworthy.
The use of ‘righter’ in this context is, in fact, most correct.
Have you heard the phrases “righter than rain” and “righter of wrongs”? The use of the word in this headline echoes that usage.
There is also the term “states’ righter” (n): a person who advocates strict interpretation of the United States constitutional guarantee of states’ rights.
See http://www.dictionary.com/browse/righter. You will also find the word in Merriam-Webster and in all the Scrabble dictionaries. We have come to automatically associate “right” with “correct” but in this context “right” is used as “just” and the comparative is perfectly *right* as it is being used.
Essentially, the use of the word in this headline is too clever and layered for some. I’m rather impressed by it. Old school header-writing is a lost art form.
Any historian worth his salt will tell you that the British treated the space who fought for them like shit. Armed them with clubs and sticks. Then used them on the front lines with no means to defend themselves. Used them as cannon fodder.
To most people (perhaps not the author nor the player) the Flag & the anthem represent the highest ideals of the country, not the lowest.
Ah, better to have died with a club in their hands than under the whip of master.
On another note, have you served in this army, US. Lol, it’s all the same Airborne!
Check out the Boston Tea Party…when the perps dressed like “savages” to shift the blame. Check out the wording of your vaunted “Declaration of Independence”(For White Folks Only). Check out Jefferson Davis’s Farewell Speech, where he whines about “our slaves”.
You’re an idiot. They didn’t dress as indians to “shift the blame”. They did it to mask their identities because their actions were considered treasonous by the Crown.
Fact check
http://m.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
You link is spin, not facts. First the author assumes that impressed seamen were slaves even though they weren’t considered slaves at the time, and then that they were fighting for the British against Fort McHenry. Contrast that with the fact that American slaves were actually fighting for the British in the attack on Fort McHenry. Nor does it explain why Key seems to be gloating over their deaths. Why would he gloat over the deaths of impressed seamen?
So you think this website that predates this issue was “spinning” to disprove the author of this tripe?
Nope. They were spinning the same way most of American history is spun to make us look always good and in the right. If you think it is valid, quote his source for this interpretation.
The fact is, Key was a racist who owned slaves and went after abolitionists. In trying one for having abolitionist literature, he told the jury–
“Are you willing, gentlemen, to abandon your country, to permit it to be taken from you, and occupied by the abolitionist, according to whose taste it is to associate and amalgamate with the negro?”
The racist Key lost his case.
I do not know history that well, but what kind of freedom fighters were the Britsh at the time of 1812? Did they not only partially abolish slavery in 1833? Even then they still allowed slavery in India and other parts of their Empire? Why do you think they would have abolished slavery in America if they had won? After all did not Slavery in America start and grow while Colonies under British rule?
Thankyou for writing this piece. I’ve not stood or put my hand over my hand for the pledge or anthem since high school & I’m now 40. It always felt wrong to pledge my fealty to a country, especially being native & knowing how it was stolen.
I’ve used your article all day to address the blind & ignorant backlash against Colin. Hopefully at least one will be educated. I know I was today.
Then get the hell out of this country!! It is people like you that have no idea that their uneducated remarks are so backwards it is scary!! You don’t like something so strongly about a country THEN LEAVE!!!! Don’t stay here and accept our way of life and freedoms but then say you don’t agree!! Then again you must be one of those same people that wants to do nothing but collect welfare and yet never wants to work a job too!!
Native americans were doing a real good job of killing each other before white guys showed up. Learn some history. There was no central ‘Indian’ leadership so it was hardly ‘their’ country. Some tribes were peaceful, others very violent warmongers who tried to eradicate other tribes. Kill them take their women and breed them out of existence.
This is America we have our flag. We sing the national anthem you don’t like it go back where you came from.
It’s been the official anthem only since 1931. And rather ironic, don’t you think, that Congress chose an anthem that celebrates a victory over those who were given freedom not by us, but by our enemy?
Wisconsin?
Why don’t you go back to where you came from? After all, unless you’re 100% Native you’re an immigrant too. I would take the likes of Kaepernick, who is willing to take a stand for a just cause, over someone who makes the sort of blanket shutdown statements like you do any day.
Uhhh….Wisconsin?
I have a better idea: open your mind to the reality of what the USA really stands for.
As for me, when they changed the pledge of allegiance in 1953, it made me think: why exactly do I pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth? And why under god? So, as a thinking 4th grader, I decided to stop. I guess some others haven’t reached my 4th grade level.
not really weighing in on the main issue here …but i am always amazed at statements like “…go back where you came from ” coming out of the mouths of anyone but Native americans…
Fuck your flag,and let it burn, and fuck your racist pathetic anthem too.Go sing your stupid little song of worship to your terrorist state, fuck off, and take your racist troll army with you, back to where you came from.
your wrong the star spangled banner was not racist. lets review :
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
Also if you dont like this flag or this country then get the fuck out !!!
Jon Schwarz, by any chance, have you read Kaepernick’s contract?
I am told, “standing” before the flag and the national anthem is noted.
Also, since the NFL is a 501 (c) charity, political activism is forbidden.
Kaepernick, or the NFL?
He does not play for the NFL, he plays for the 49ers. The NFL is the trade organization under which 32 independent businesses operate. The NFL is not a 501c charity. There is no prohibition on 501c charities engaging in political activism. They are forbidden from engaging in partisan activism. They can, and clearly do in the case of Chambers of Commerce, encourage certain political stances. They can say “Support only candidates who support free trade!” and they are perfectly fine, as it is not a purely partisan issue. Considering how you got everything else wrong, what are the odds you’re just making shit up about what you’ve been “told” is in his contract? 99%, or a straight up 100%?
http://www.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
“The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812”
So you’re saying the writer was proud of America killing it’s own citizens who were unfortunately press ganged into service?
The only proper reading of Key’s words is to take them at face value. Slaves were fighting for the British that day and Key gloated that they died or ran away, putting them in the same category as mercenaries (“the hireling”). Would Key have gloated if they were American sailors forced to fight? No. So without any sources to back up his interpretation, the spin by this author has to be rejected for what it is.
From your comment, it would be almost impossible to recognize that the ‘kidnapped’ sailors were attempting to break an antislavery blockade, and were ‘forced’ to help maintain that blockade against American (the last major holdout of slavery, and the last one sending ships to Africa to load up on kidnapped and forced into service people) slave ships.
Wow revisionist history the war of 1812 was the unlawful imprisonment of American soldiers. You are FORGETTING European history and the effect the war with France had on the British Navy and on international trade. The blockades were set up EVEN as mentioned in BRITISH history (which barely remembers the war as Napoleon was marching on Moscow in 1812) as an economic maritime blockade to prevent neutral trading with France. The British looked at their former colonist as “traitors” for trading with France and the economic toll of the war and lack of trade was devastating financially to the young country. Britian believed There would be no place for neutral traders, no amnesty for deserters and in truth half the men on American vessels were British subjects who had deserted the war.
BTW the Battle of New Orleans was an attempt by Britain to seize the land west of the Mississippi and only failed due to pirates and slaves, it was also fought after the war was over but no one got the message in time.
Flag is a symbol. What it symbolizes is what each of us think of as America based on what we have experienced. Some think of soldiers who defended America (or American interests abroad). Some think of freedom and equality as enshrined in the constitution. Others think of minorities who still struggle to be equals against the imperfect backdrop of history and tradition. Others think of black lives that just don’t seem to matter as much as other lives.
Flag is just a symbol. Lets not make it sacred.
Nice!
Right on!
We are all “Slaves” we all work for somebody. Someone pays you everyday to do a job. The old mighty dollar. You work to build someone’s castle. Crapernick gets paid way more money then I will ever make in my life time. I am a middle age White girl with 16 years in the Army. I now had to start over and make 12.00 an hour and work 60 hour awake. He can kiss my ass. He has it so rough!
Getting out after serving 16? Welcome to the new economy in this regressive country…. perhaps you should re-up and get a pension. I stand by this guy even though I hate the NFL. From kindergarten on we have patriotism stuffed down our collective throats. Acknowledging the NA at all sporting events should be banned as well as the military flyovers pregame. Watch some old Hitler films as he rants about the supreme race and it is all the same schtick.
I strongly urge you to read American history. The history of black people in the USA was one of terrorism. Ethnicities were discriminated against, but racism was a terroristic reality for hundreds of years. Get the data.
Having a job doesn’t make you a slave. (Really, grow up and learn to make accurate distinctions. I appreciate greatly your service in the military, but use your MIND to make better distinctions. It’s time to know who is steering and oppressing YOUR LIFE.)
Be angry and defiant against those who hold down the minimum wage to the point that it is not a livable wage. And who keep the gross inequality and ‘wars for business interests’ whose wealth is so obscene that neither you to the rare black man like athlete can touch it.
GET THE FACTS, and direct your anger in a way that makes sense! You have been brainwashed and purposely let to direct your wrath at the wrong sources. Divide and conquer tactics of the powerful & 1% has worked for the ages.
Holy crap it must be a challenge to be that negative about life. Sorry that life has treated you so poorly.
You have no concept of what slavery is. You chose to spend 16 years in the Army, and apparently lack the capability to use the GI Bill to go to college and get a degree in something that will lead to a good paying job. Your own behavior and limitations place you in the position you are in, and you can change the behavior at least any time you feel motivated to do so. If you decide your current $12/hour job is not to your liking, you can quit. If you decide you don’t like where you live, you can move. If you decide to find new friends, you can. None of that is available to a slave.
The verse the leftist are referring to in the song is not an insult to black people or even to American slaves. The British Army almost exclusively used Hessian (German) mercenaries to fight the War of 1812. In rare instances they used units comprised of escaped bondsmen or freeman (but for the purposes- mercenary) African-American troops, as well.
The words “hirelings and slaves” is a dismissive reference to the British forces as a whole- not to any individual black unit. And to wish an invading army “the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave” and to use violent imagery in the midst of war is perfectly understandable- especially after they just burned and looted down your country’s capital to the ground (Washington DC) and beat you in battle and have imprisoned you.
“Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave”
This is written in middle English, the English of Shakespeare, John Milton, and the Kings James Bible, unless you’re scholar of middle English it’s difficult to understand. This is what I understand. Their blood has washed away their dirty past deeds, but no refuge to save their indentured worker and slave from the terror for running away or from death. You must remember that these men where British Citizens, also American English is a form of modern English that is totally different grammatically from the English, English; you have totally skip the second stanza in order to make a racially bias point.
The lyrics are Modern English, which was in common use for fully a century by the time Key put pen to paper. Before that was Early Modern English, the English of the Tudor and Jacobean periods generally associated with Shakespeare. Middle English was dead and buried around 1500, just in time for the widespread adoption of the printing press. You’re not only wrong, you’re three centuries worth of wrong.
Key’s lyrics, like the founding documents written three decades earlier, are in perfectly intelligible Modern English.
Slave means slave.
Your tortured read that “hireling and slave” is a non-specific knock at the army as a whole and not at the hirelings and former slaves who made up that army is as laughable as your understanding of the history of the English language.
NIce post. The problem with the slavery argument is that the Brits had not themselves abolished slavery at the time of the War of 1812, and in fact were still profiting heavily from it. My understanding is that the offer to free slaves and reward them with land was a tactical consideration, aimed at weakening the US.
At the same time I think kaepernick is entirely within his rights to not endorse a government that does not offer equal protection and opportunity to all its citizens, and that indeed was founded on the basis of a white oligarchy.
Re British slavery: tad more complicated than that. cf. Somerset v Stewart.
Britain stopped the trade in 1807; gradual abolition of slavery until blanket abolition in ALL colonies in 1833.
Tu quoque arguments bounced back and forth during decades before Civil War. Pro-slavery advocates in US would cite serf-like conditions of Welsh miners, indenturing of poor house children, pressganging etc.
This is a comic performance piece of impressive audacity, but no-one is going to seriously believe someone smart enough to use a keyboard is likely to confuse the War of Independence with the War of 1812 (Hessians!) or think Shakespeare [c.1599] spoke the language of Geoffrey Chaucer [c.1380] (Middle English!). Golf clap for trying though.
The verse the leftist are referring to in the song is not an insult to black people or even to American slaves. The British Army almost exclusively used Hessian (German) mercenaries to fight the War of 1812. In rare instances they used units comprised of escaped bondsmen or freeman (but for the purposes- mercenary) African-American troops, as well.
The words “hirelings and slaves” is a dismissive reference to the British forces as a whole- not to any individual black unit. And to wish an invading army “the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave” and to use violent imagery in the midst of war is perfectly understandable- especially after they just burned and looted down your country’s capital to the ground (Washington DC) and beat you in battle and have imprisoned you.
“Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave”
This is written in middle English, the English of Shakespeare, John Milton, and the Kings James Bible, unless you’re scholar of middle English it’s difficult to understand. This is what I understand. Their blood has washed away their dirty past deeds, but no refuge to save their indentured worker and slave from the terror for running away or from death. You must remember that these men where British Citizens, also American English is a form of modern English that is totally different grammatically from the English, English; you have totally skip the second stanza in order to make a racially bias point.
Smh
There is no period descriptions of those lyrics or evidence that Key was thinking that. I’m not convinced
Francis Scott Key wasn’t talking about American slaves: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2014/06/10/national_anthem_history_early_draft_of_the_star_spangled_banner.html
I went to the article you linked and found this in it: “Key’s association of the British Army with “hirelings and slaves” was meant to be an insult. As historian Kevin Levin writes, the British Army liberated enslaved people in the Chesapeake region and recruited them as soldiers during the War of 1812. To Key, “freemen,” as he calls Americans, were to be lauded for their patriotic convictions, while slaves who enlisted to gain their personal liberation were to be disdained. ”
So the article you linked to argues that he WAS talking about American slaves.
Or…maybe…we don’t just need to discard the current “anthem”, we don’t need to replace it with another one. We don’t need a new one.
We just flat don’t need one in the first place.
This from a former neocon now voluntarist American who, even though deeply patriotic, thanks to this sobering information in this article, will never stand for nor sing the national anthem again. Well done. Keep up the good work.
Maybe dissent when it is the right thing to do, is the best patriotism the world will ever know. Learning….
Jon Schwarz has no idea of what he’s talking about. This verse says nothing about the murder of blacks. Jon has to learn how to interpret lyrics.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Can you read?
i follow NBA, MLS, La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga, even Liga MX.
only US do the national anthem prior to sports entertainment, sometimes even add in the National Guards and war planes flyover. for cryin’ out loud, this is just a ball game, not national day celebration or inaugurating a president. silliness to the extreme. i wished we could just shake hands and play ball, drop the flag waving, anthem singing silly.
Kind of funny as you mention the NBA where there are a few foreign players…what do they do:)?
That aside, you are darn right in what you write as at its worst it is outright jingoistic…
Wait slavery didn’t end till 1833 in england?
Ah, but the slave trade – the kidnapping of people from Africa, forced transportation under horrific conditions (think the trainloads of Jews headed to the death camps, only worse) of those who survived the kidnapping, and then the selling of those who survived that as property (and which slaveowners do you think needed to keep buying slaves…that’s right, the ones who worked their slaves to death faster than they could reproduce) was outlawed before then, and it was the British antislave trade blockade that was the root cause of the war of 1812.
Revisionist History. Britian was at war with FRANCE it was an ECONOMIC BLOCKADE and America was a neutral trader and Britian saw them as traitors for continuing to trade with France. Also 1/2 the men on America trading vessels were British Deserters. Britian them self was still activel trading slaves at the time and had yet to abolish Slavery. They were stretched to Thin fighting Nepolean why whould they utilize their resources on slave blockades. man people need to read actual historical accounts and not get their history from the internet!!!
Lest you forgot, but you did say it yourself. “The blacks were fighting for the British and so since we were fighting against the British it made them fair game. It was war against Britain”
not only an atrocious piece of “music”, but plagiarised as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Anacreon_in_Heaven
totally unrelated, but i wonder if the “colonial marines” in aliens were a nod to the ones you mentioned. way to raise the bar, james cameron.
Ignorant article. Nobody sings the Star Spangled Banner as a celebration of slavery, not even Francis Scott Key. You despise people who fight against your country, and people who live here and turn against it for any reason doubly so, e.g. Benedict Arnold. Whether or not they’re slaves.
I am more offended by Kapernick using ignorance of history and cheap manufactured outrage to promote his name using as little effort as possible (literally the absence of standing). What happened to taking the time to hand-craft genuine outrage from real materials? Our forefathers would be ashamed.
Agreed, let us all not forget that flag was used by the country that fought with its self to free slaves. That flag stands for freedom, freedom from a overseas monarch, freedom from slavery, freedom for all people.
Regardless of what’s right or ethical or of a higher plane, the $$$ of the NFL will prevail. Rich people have always thought that their opinion is worth more and outweigh other peoples’ votes. The other 330 million Americans in this country need to demand that this shit ends.
“This article is filled with MANY incorrect statements. The hireling and slaves were mercenary soldiers hired by the British and reluctant Canadians who were goaded into battle by British bayonets, not African Americans.
In 1833 Great Britain passed their Abolition of Slavery Act. Any American slaves “lining up to get on British ships in 1812? were incorrectly told they would be free upon landing in England.
(Idiots abound.)”
The 1833 Act applied to British territories in the Empire, not England itself as, the Somerset case established that England and Wales did not have slavery as a legal condition.
Please actually to bother to read the book the author references, as well as others on Francis Scott Key. It goes into great detail about the so called “incorrections” (which frankly don’t exist) that you supposedly found.
This is the laziest and the most “trying to make a name for oneself” article I’ve ever read…
THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IS RACIST!! ummm…because of a verse. that no one sings. nor do most people know. but yeah, its racist because of that virtually unknown part that really isnt part of the version that everyone knows. smh.
It’s like racism in general. Like the war on drugs that is actually a war on blacks. Like our police stopping blacks for the crime of driving while black. White America doesn’t see that. Doesn’t know anything about it. So what’s the problem?
When you snear “White America” it is as harmful to the fabric of our society as me profiling or disrespecting any minority. Because guess what “White America” , even those like me who had nothing but love for every race is feeling persecuted for a system they themselves would like to change and becoming less and less sympathetic with those biting our hands and hating us for that which we can not change, which BTW is the same thing “Black America” can not change their skin tone.
When the BLAME stops perhaps CHANGE can happen. What I do know that as long as bigots on BOTH sides scream blame and draw indelible lines that none can cross, change will not occur and hate will thrive.
I’m not smearing white America. I’m saying that most of white America doesn’t realize what is going on with black America. Even those so full of love as yourself, who so quickly turns on anyone with a complaint.
Oh, and about that Pledge Of Allegiance… a little brainwashing, y’all,; for the kids beginning at an early age… mebbe?
Good on you. I love sports events in our town but find it impossible to cover my heart and pledge. Fifty years I’ve watched us bomb, destroy, manipulate all over the globe. Enough is enough. That isn’t democracy, it is bullying. Keep on keepin on.
good spirit
own your will
I suppose Colin is still cashing that injust US dollar paycheck he is getting. How about we pay him in another currency since he thinks the US is injust. How about he becomes a real man and doesn’t take an American paycheck. How about he goes and lives in the hood for a few years and see if he doesn’t get robbed or stabbed. The problem isn’t the police or the white people or black people or purple or blue hating against each other. The problem is their parents and how they were raised. Parents being a good example for their kids and and making sure they do the right thing in life and make good decisions. All the celebs scream racism and blah blah blah but they don’t live in the hood. They don’t currently reside in the ghetto. They may have come from there, why is it they blame everyone else instead of the majority of the people that do drugs, rob people, rape people, shoot n kill others? How many times has Colin gone in the hood and supported anti gangs and has educated the parents and youth of America?
Righter? A so called journalist is going to give us his opinion when he demolishes the English language?
The word “righter” is a comparative adjective form of “right”. The embarrassment is on you fool
Righter is comparative adjective form of Right
Im not surprised at the surpeise for these few lines. Most of us were brung up singing Yankee doodle dandy without knowing, teachers included where the song came from..of Brit origin and was a mockery of the colonialists clothing..:stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni:..no not the pasta ..it was a term the wig wearing perfumed elitists used for something fashionable..which they certainly did not find our American and so we sing the song anyhow..God forbid ..we get into the childrens rhymes like Georgy Porgi pudding and pie…Kiss the girls and make them cry….when the boys came out to play..(well you know the rest ..you should)
..But no reason to remove it.
The original meanings were lost to time..
.imo..especially in this so PC age..where even Huckleerry Finn use of the N word has given the tight asses in certain quarters cause to run to safe spaces..
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Now something I do find strange and Ironic.. considering all the Anti Russian hysteria and saber rattling
is how this never became a greater part of our history..an article I came across at voltaire,net
at a moment in history..a decisive moment..in the Civil war
Its an eye opener
http://www.voltairenet.org/article169488.html
The Russian admirals had also been told that, if the US and Russia were to find themselves at war with Britain and France, the Russian ships should place themselves under Lincoln’s command and operate in synergy with the US Navy against the common enemies. It is thus highly significant that the Russian ships were sent to the United States.
US Navy Secretary Gideon Welles: “God Bless the Russians”
Coming on the heels of the bloody Union reverse at Chickamauga, the news of the Russian fleet unleashed an immense wave of euphoria in the North. It was this moment that inspired the later verses of Oliver Wendell Holmes, one of the most popular writers in America, for the 1871 friendship visit of the Russian Grand Duke Alexis:
Bleak are our shores with the blasts of December, Fettered and chill is the rivulet’s flow; Thrilling and warm are the hearts that remember Who was our friend when the world was our foe. Fires of the North in eternal communion, Blend your broad flashes with evening’s bright star; God bless the Empire that loves the Great Union Strength to her people! Long life to the Czar! [15]
Things would have been very different if the russians and Lincoln had not been such good friends,,Indeed we can today if we so desired..
that was back when Americans existed as independent thinking and standing individuals. And again in WW2 when the people of America and people of Russia were united against the advance of Nazi aggression. Since then Americans have been cajoled, lulled and threatened into subservience to the power of wealth and lost their minds – actually sold their will to the same force – to honor and cherish and obey bla bla bla.
Now the wealth pool guardians want our first born. And wallstreet thieves who print paper to loan to the youth in exchange for a very large portion of their future earnings, and since Hellary “crooked” Clinton wants to draft women for her next envisioned war, THAT IS HAPPENING.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Please get your facts correct.
Maybe so. But do u think Kirkpatrick knew this when he didn’t stand or was he just being an ass. I don’t think he knew the real history of the pledge an didn’t stand because he’s being racist.
If Kapernick and others like him, are that disillusioned about living as an American, leave, no one is forcing you to stay in this country.
P.S. if you do leave, lets please revoke your citizenship and not allow you back into the country ever, under any circumstances.
As a retired veteran, i have fought for your right to your free speech and actions, no matter how misguided I believe they are. No country is perfect, and neither is Kapernick.
You state you fought for Kaepernick’s right to freedom of expression but then tell him to leave and want to revoke his citizenship when he exercises that right all because his views don’t align with yours. Do you see the contradiction?
You also correctly point out that no country is perfect. Kaepernick agrees and would like to shine a light a light on some of those imperfections so that hopefully they can be resolved.
Is this not the freedom you fought for? The freedom to express oneself?
John Schwartz of the intercept is a huge pile crap
People need to stop being so stupid and stop allowing others to decide what IS and what IS NOT racist…. Racism has more to do with the speaker’s intentions rather than the speaker’s words…. NOW, before you disagree with this, I’m taking it directly from a speech made at an NAACP rally event when comments were made about rap artists and recording artists using the “n” word and other adjectives describing people of color. You see, folks, you can’t have it BOTH ways! That’s called DOUBLE STANDARDS, and it’s destroying this country….better yet, it’s weakening the “homeland” and allowing these radicals to attack a vulnerable country! When I sing the national anthem, slavery is the FARTHEST thing from my mind! Actually, there is ONE thing on my mind when I sing it……I’M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN- and that’s all that should be on that jerk’s mind as well.. that “poor ole oppressed man” making how many millions a year? LOL….. He needs to take that “oppressed” story on out Route 66 and find someone who will believe it!
And don’t forget the American flag was the corporate flag of the East India Company before it became the American flag. They just had to take out the Union Jack in the corner and add the stars. ( http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/genealogy/images/b/b3/Flag_of_the_British_East_India_Company_%281707%29.svg/revision/latest?cb=20110716180529).
Kind of makes you wonder what all the 1%ers were up to in 1776.
Several of you apologists have been claiming that the national anthems lyrics referring to “the hireling” are actually refer to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence. “…and slave” is (allegedly) a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of-war ships). Or that these references are religious in nature.
I am NOT BUYING it.
Problem is … Francis Scott Key not only profited from slaves, he harbored racist conceptions of American citizenship and human potential. Africans in America, he said, were: “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.” AND… In the case of the U.S. v. Reuben Crandall, Key made national headlines by asking whether the property rights of slaveholders outweighed the free speech rights of those arguing for slavery’s abolishment. Key hoped to silence abolitionists, who, he charged, wished to “associate and amalgamate with the negro.”
That is absolute bullshit and we are sick to death of the poor me attitude, get up and quit the fdamn crying and making excuses. It sickening. The national anthem is just what it’d words proclaim, sick of your fucking racist anti white bullshit. Had enough
You my friend are a ignorant as Colin. By supporting this you are saying you support black thug criminals who are in violation of the law and are being killed by law enforcement officers who are simply doing their jobs. In my eyes you and Colin are both jackasses.
For all of you apologists out there claiming that the references to “hirelings” and “slaves” weren’t racist…. Problem is, Francis Scott Key not only profited from slaves, he harbored racist conceptions of American citizenship and human potential. Africans in America, he said, were: “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.”
So, explain to me again how what he wrote wasn’t in fact steeped in bigotry?
The “United Nations” should publish a handbook containing a list of every country across the globe and the lyrics to each country’s national anthem. Using the U. S. Social Security records and U.S. Board of Registrars, each U. S. Citizen should receive a copy of this handbook on their 18th birthday. This will allow every individual THREE YEARS to familiarize themselves with the customs, beliefs and national anthems of every country so when they become “of age” at 21 years old, they can take their ass to another country… GOD FORBID that any of us who are THANKFUL for the privilege of being a United States Citizen, to force the United States Rights and FREEDOM on them. I’ll GLADLY be the first to say “Good Luck, and GOOD BYE – – – –
This verse has been taken out of context. Also the national anthem only uses part of the poem. At the time of our revolution, it was a practice for folks to have slaves & indentured servants. The entire verse is
“And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave. “
This isn’t even close to being right. Slaves is in reference to the British kidnapping and enslaving American seamen and forcing them to work on British vessels .
My god
The coronation of Killery would be a good time for a new hip-hop anthem based on the very words of her majesty:
We came; we stole; they died.
We came; we enslaved; they cried.
We came; we nuked; they fried.
Finf an other Coubtry. Or give up his million dollar contract since he so disagrees with the America he lives in. Go to hell Get out of America we do not need u. I will never watch this team again as long as he play on this team.
Why do they have to play a hymn of praise to the nation-state every time there is a sporting event anyway?
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
just caint seem to mind our own bizness.
saw tonite that Europe rejects 100% of the Hellary-Obama predatory TPP-TPIP-TISA (T3). Europe has told the US to FO.
yea!
It’s worse than that Jon … Obama is whiter than you know. And he’s got the Flag Pins to prove it.
*and another thing: I’d rather be the slave of a good man than a prince of buggers and thieves.
Say that when you are being beaten, starved, raped, your children used as gator bait, your family sold off, pulling 18 hour days wiping someone’s ass, and having the penalty of Death hanging over your head if you learn to read or speak too well.
And I’m sure every Owner thought they were a Good Man, but that is a Pile of Horseshit.
Dang nation! I knew the 49ers were a tough team to work for … but thats outrageous!
Just kidding Raven. I wasn’t defending the institution of slavery. .. I was defending the institution of good men.
*I’m sure Obama thinks he is a ‘good man’ … but I’m not so sure.
This is silly. The reference to “slaves” here is just a pejorative about the British soldiers, as ones who fight for a king are nothing but “hirelings and slaves” (3d verse) as opposed to “freemen” (4th verse). It’s a crappy anthem, and Key might have been a jerk by modern standards, but the text of the anthem doesn’t bear the interpretation Jon Schwarz is pushing.
“The reality is that there were human beings fighting for freedom with incredible bravery during the War of 1812. However, “The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over them — and then turns that reality completely upside down, transforming their killers into the courageous freedom fighters.”
Completely bogus statement. They were fighting on the side of the British. The British were extensively involved in the slave trade. Later in the 19th century they supported the abolitionist movement as a means to slow the French and American economies. Hardly the empathetic rulers the author of this fertilizer would have the reader believe.
You are a dipshit. Must have been great sipping beers with Francis Key back in the day to hear HIS actual meaning of each verse since you obviously know what his “in-between-the-lines” meaning really was…….
SMH at your liberal bullshit…..
Such a great and well written article… Well done Jon… Well done.
Here is the actual meaning of the the penned lyric by Francis Scott Key. But, don’t let me stop you from suggesting that the song is racist.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812.
it’s getting old. white liberal guilt, that is.
honestly, i’m surprised that comments are even allowed for this article, as I would expect censorship of disagreement to be the norm for people like this author.
I appreciate this article, but I can’t understand what’s the big problem. National anthems are written at a time in history when the geo-political situation may be quite different what what it is at a later date and time, so reacting to every change in politics and perspectives will confuse the people of the country and make them think they belong to a different country each time this happens. Plus, our gallant athletes in the Olympics will think someone has spiked their energy drink if they hear a different tune play every time.
Therefore, we can just tweak the anthem a bit and make sure the concerns of BLM folks are addressed. We can easily do this by changing words like “slaves” to “ISIS” or “Jihadis”. But again it depends on BLM folks themselves. If they vote for Hillary Clinton, she is going to do nothing, just as her husband screwed around with the interns and put in place laws that put many more BLM people in jails than needed.
BLM is a brutal cancer of society. they must NOT be appeased. they are thugs who use intimidation to get their way.
the *PROBLEM* is that the zions in israel know…. “they’re next”
and that has scared the bejesus out of them
1. suddenly all humans have equal standing
2. you cant just shoot people any more
3. without due process, land theft is land theft
4. mainstream media cant shut down the perception any more
and before you know it, back to the 1967 borders
and since money is free speech, so is not spending money, as in BOYCOTT as in BDS.
aw shucks, the whole sham is falling apart
Seriously you are mentally deranged. “Suddenly all humans have equal standing”? All humans have ALWAYS had equal standing, but some were (and still are) oppressed by others. I can’t believe you are actually advocating this racist, violent garbage. Please go crawl back into your hole and stop reading such nonsense conspiracy theories. You make me sick.
Dispite your views…Israel will not fall to anybody…they are fighting for their survival everyday…Those that rise up against Israel will be smite by God…and Islam Allah will also in due time…
Boycotts are group punishment.
What an asinine misrepresentation. Here’s the third verse in full.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
That ” band who so vauntingly swore” is a reference to the British.
The “Hireling and slave” are Mercenaries and impressed sailors respectively.
It took me five seconds to google that. Are you such a lazy partisan that you can’t even double check your work?
Like the Bible with the Old Testament, as time goes by, we have realized these issues and cut them out of our teachings. This is why we don’t sing this part in 2016, or even my lifetime for that matter
Idiot. Utilizing hindsight is so safe for liberals. The old world was built upon conquest and slavery. America was the first to eliminate slavery. Africa still does it to themselves. Colin is a moron talking about oppression with 100 mill in the bank. Where else would an obviously unintelligent man make a hundred million dollars other than America? My kind of oppression. If Colin want an American he would be a laborer in MOST countries. And if there were no Internet you would be an unemployment hack wondering why he can’t find a job with his liberal arts degree.
Yet he’s got millions, and you dont. LOL. He’s sitting in his mansion, and you’re in your shitty house hating on him via the internet. Oh the fucking butthurt. LMAO
Jaysus, but the nutty wingnuts have descended. Look, erik, the United States was not the first nation, not even the first modern Western nation, to abolish slavery. Britain passed the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833.
And Africa does not have legal slavery, in any of it’s countries. If you are alluding to human trafficking that’s going on all over the world, including in the United States, and is illegal everywhere.
As for this inanity:
Facts matter. And the facts about America’s national anthem also matter. If facts don’t matter to non-liberals, then non-liberals are the ones with the problem. (And I would not characterize the author of this article, Jon Schwartz, as a “liberal.” That term has been co-opted and polluted. The best word for Schwarz would be “progressive.”)
Finally:
It’s noble for wealthy and famous people to use their platforms to highlight injustice. There’s often nothing in it for them but exactly the kind of grief and bullshit you are spewing.
It’s AMAZING how amazing -Mona- is! Amazing! ;)
“The old world was built upon conquest and slavery. America was the first to eliminate slavery.”
We were actually one of the last nations to abolish slavery in the Americas.
And just because a man made a lot of money he doesn’t get the right to speak out on certain issues? We had a black Republican senator from South Carolina come out and describe MULTIPLE encounters with the police based on the color of his skin that his white colleagues in Congress never have to experience. No matter how well of an African-American is in this country, they will still get pulled over by the police on a consistent basis for nothing except the color of their skin.
America the first to eliminate slavery? Well, there was a law making it illegal to import or export slaves in 1800, but slavery was not abolished until 1865, and it took a civil war to accomplish this. Many other nations abolished slavery before the US did.
Anyway, how do you know Kaepernick wasn’t talking about how the U.S. supports the Israeli oppression of Palestinians, or the oppression of Iraqis under U.S. occupation, or the bloodshed brought to Libya and Syria by Hillary Clinton and her regime-change advocates? Or maybe he was trying to criticize Obama for increasing deportation rates of undocumented Latino immigrants by a factor of three relative to 2002? Or maybe he was pointing out that blacks are sent to prison on drug charges at ten times the rates of whites?
Fun statistics:
Nixon’s war on drugs had a lot to do with this, from c.1972 onwards. . .
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/
US taxpayers are funding aid to Palestinians.
Palestinians use that aid to reward the murder of Jews.
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Mexico beat them to the punch and abolished slavery in 1829. Another point of history over looked is in 1836 Texas moving in from the south fought to reinstate slavery.
Most countries abolished slavery before the US
Spain 1811
Sweden 1813
Netherlands 1814
France 1826
Erik’s posts are more amusing when keeping in mind that he types them while fantasizing of a BBC between his lips.
Britain was the first to abolish slavery……….
America was the first to eliminate slavery? What??????? The UK abolished it in 1833! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833
Stop being so insulting to the author – you have no right while pedaling such garbage.
Okay news flash. Quit blaming white people for slavery. A black man owned slaves before whites did. A lot of blacks owned them, traded them, sold them. The first slaves were owned by a black man, he started it not the whites . There were indentured servants before there were slaves and these servants weren’t only black they were of all races. http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was-a-black-man/
What we need is to get over it (its been over 100 years no one from slavery is alive anymore). Slavery happened everywhere. Stop playing the race card. Go out there on the streets of Chicago, Baltimore, Dallas, or anywhere else, try being a cop, save a life, take a bullet to save someone. Its easy to say your against the police, but try being in their shoes having to make a decision that could alter the future for better or worse.
A new version for the modern age:
O! say can you see, by Wall Street’s bright light
How so profitably set sail, all the young soldiers dreaming
Whose blood guts and brains, were not splattered in vain
O’er the oilfields of Iraq, they were so gallanty streaming.
And the banker’s cold stare, the bonds managed with care,
gave proof through the night, our portfolio was still there.
O! say do your fund returns still make ’em rave,
With profits tax-free, off the blood of the slaves?
Set to the arrangement of Jimi Hendrix’s version: (helos in the background are a must)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAwPA14Ni4
A#1!
#SSBv2
Typo fixed (gallanty) and word change (blood->backs)
O! say can you see, by Wall Street’s bright light
How so profitably set sail, all the young soldiers dreaming
Whose blood guts and brains, were not splattered in vain
O’er the oilfields of Iraq, they were so gallantly streaming.
And the banker’s cold stare, the bonds managed with care,
gave proof through the night, our portfolio was still there.
O! say do your fund returns still make ’em rave,
With profits tax-free, off the backs of the slaves?
(Public domain, all rights relinquished, enjoy!)
Excellent!
That same flag flew in 1861 when the north fought to end slavery.
This Land is Your Land should be our national anthem.
Amusingly, MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid — one of the hackiest of DNC hacks and a total Hillary shill — tweeted this:
Of course Reid doesn’t “do” The Intercept. They publish Hillary heresy here!
Joy’s a great soul. All love passion excitement and smart. She does walk a very tight rope there, but a clever girl. She had Craig Minassian cornered and on the ropes trying to wiggle and squirm his way out of not answering provacitve questions. No numbers, no rations, nothing specific, very cagey. I happen to know a LOT about how trusts and non-pros operate.
When challenged about H&B benefits, he stated that neither receive a salary nor profit from it. Well no duh. However these orgs pay a bootload of expenses and other goodies. My guess is sneaky Hellary used the funds for jetting about for arms deals – which is why she refuses to release her travel appt sched. The co-incidences would reveal the crimes of influence peddling imo.
http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/scrutiny-intensifies-on-clinton-foundation-753090115943
i used to like her. now i feel betrayed.
He’s scum. As you are. His career is tanking and he needs some attention so he spits on the country that’s allowed him to make millions. If the 49ers fans have any ballz then they have the right to boo him all year.
This is a painfully inaccurate interpretation of those lyrics.
The “hirelings” are the Hessian mercenaries who the British hired then.
The “slaves” are the American seamen captured by the British and forced to serve on their man-o-war ships (a major bone of contention in the War of 1812).
http://m.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
This has to be the dumbeat article i’ve ever read. Not only was the verse excluded but youre giving Kaepernick too much credit for knowing US history. He himself said why he didnt stand. You want a new anthem? Move to another country.
Revisionist history. The war of 1812 was fought for a variety of reasons. First, because British ships were impressing American sailors. Secondly, American merchants ignored the British blockade of Napoleonic France and continued to trade with France. Third, both the US and the English could not agree on borders following the Revolution. Fourth, British agents had been supplying arms and training to hostile natives in the Old Northwest and Southeast USA to gain control of the lucrative fur trade. Fifth, England was upset at the US for the Louisiana purchase. Slavery was never an issue of the war. And a single letter from a British admiral is not proof that it was. Also, both sides enlisted freed slaves. A sizable portion of Jackson’s troops at the Battle of New Orleans were freed slaves and it is estimated around a quarter of the US Navy were freed slaves.
MOVE TO CANADA AND PLAY IN THE CFL
We need to rewrite history with new movement !!!!
He said nothing that I have read about the validity of the name, he said he did not want to support that nation. I say move to Canada or Venezuela or wherever he desires.
I think you are giving him too much intellectual credit.
How can you give any credit to an author who puts the word “RIGHTER” in his article headline?
For “GOODER” or “BADDER”….Kaepernick can play football in the Canadian Football League where they don’t play the American National anthem.
This article is the kind of race-baiting slag none of us need. The author is pathetically trying to justify the grandstanding (grandsitting?) of an overpaid brat who’s trying to sound relevant. Trying to use modern perspective to pass judgement on an event two centuries old is morally lazy and intellectually bankrupt. Was Key personally repellent? Yes, after all he was a lawyer. But he was also a man of his times, and those times were very different.
And don’t further undermine a weak proposition by being wrong from the beginning. The War of 1812 had several factors in its fomentation, many being unfulfilled Treaty of Ghent obligations on both sides, but the triggering aggression was BRITISH. It was the Royal Navy policy of Impressment of American sailors, which amounted to little more than kidnapping, which helped set off the War. The Canadian invasion, which was a complete debacle, was viewed as a preemptive move to deny the Redcoats an operating area in North America.
As for the slaves, it was LEGAL. Only Pennsylvania alone of the original States never legalized slavery. As abhorrent as the concept is to modern minds it was the law of the land and a hallmark of the paradigm of the era. It’s not a pride point, just a fact. Trying to tie into a racial debate in this manner so flimsy and irrelevant, especially in light of his own background, shows how desperately silly he is, and shows he lacks the maturity for his position. Hopefully he will soon add the word “former” to his job titles and fade away before he embarrasses himself and his team any further.
Hahaha. I was actually laughing at the ridiculousness of this article, and I use the term article lightly. This is such a crock of shit. Obviously written by someone who has never donned the uniform, took the oath, or gone abroad to defend the freedoms for some washed up quarterback to sit during the national anthem. By sit, I mean spit in the faces of those that serve. Before anyone wants to reply, we are not fighting for anything more than lies, stop! Not here to debate why we do what we do, we do it, not because we have have to, but because we want to! I don’t personally care if he sits, I have fought for 20 years and continue to do so, so that he has that freedom, but as I write this, in 4 hours I will stand next to numerous people of different races and salute OUR flag as OUR National Anthem plays. This will not be done in the U.S., this will be done in the Middle East. (And no, I don’t care if you think we should be here or not). We, my brothers and sister, not by blood, will proudly stand and defend the right for Mr. Kaepernick to sit. Regardless of why he chose to sit. He can sit because he was too tired to stand (shouldn’t be tired from all that play time he got last season), or he can sit for a made up reason of “we are an oppressed people” “the national anthem stands for slavery,” or whatever crock of shit spews from his lips. We stand so he can sit. He can sit for those that sleep under our watch, those that kill each other under our watch, and those that do nothing to better your community! “We are being profiled, we are being targeted, we are not given the same opportunities. ” BULL SHIT! Stop with the excuses. Stand up, do what’s right, get a job, get an education. If our inner cities worried as much about the future as they did about “street cred,” these cities would not be what they are today. So much more to be said, but if it’s too long no one will read it
Only an idiot that thinks the slave is synonymous with black is going to draw these idiotic conclusions…
It couldn’t be that Key was implying that the British soldiers, all of them, were slaves fighting for the King? No, that would be too simple for a dumb liberal with an addled brain full of self-hate to comprehend.
*More right. “Righter”… Really? You are a journalist?
“And one of the key tactics behind the British military’s success was its active recruitment of American slaves.”
At that point they were no longer slaves they were enemy combatants.
Kap is an entertainment product used to distract the populace, and nothing more.
Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Meaning of Star Spangled Banner Lyrics Verse 3
Francis Scott Key describes the British as arrogant and boastful in the lyrics ‘that band who so vauntingly swore’
He is venting his anger at the British with the “foul footsteps’ pollution” lyrics inferring that the British poisoned the ground on which they walked
But the poison and corruption had been washed away by the blood of the British
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity
This is th most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read. Yes his right to freedom is expression is protected by the first amendment but the opinions in this article are stupid. It’s a celebration of slavery? Gimme a break. It’s written about the flag. Read the lyrics people.
If they fought for the other side they weren’t slaves, they were traitors and enemy combatants.
And Kap is an entertainment product, that’s all he is.
Just more insanity from the hate-filled fascists on the left.
“So when Key penned “No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,” he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who’d freed themselves. His perspective may have been affected by the fact he owned several slaves himself.”
What a warped perception/interpretation of the national anthem. Morons like Shwarz go to great lengths to get clicks…..He gets paid for every click, and a bonus for every comment. Notwithstanding, I could not resist commenting
Wildly reductive and ill-informed. I fear The Intercept is going the Salon route.
African Americans are no longer slaves and that era of Francis Scott Key and the draft verse referring to hireling and slaves is long gone. Seems a bigger problem now – Dwyane Wade recently lost his cousin to a couple gangsters. Perhaps CK should look further at a community that is desperate need of leadership. Repression is by the use of force, restraint or even legal. I tired of people taking this great country for granted and then burning the flag.
I’m disgusted by Collin Kaepernick’s comments, he’s an over paid bench warmer, he didn’t dishonor the flag, but every veteran who is/was black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Muslim, Christian…. Kaepernick went on to say “there remains a White America and a Black America, separate and unequal..”
He certainly isn’t doing anything tangible to help the situation, he’s not funding black business with his millions, he’s not paying for black young men and women to further their education, it’s easy to point fingers and complain, I’d like to see him put his money into action!
Besides that it’s a stupid protest, facts just don’t line up, only 23% of people killed by police are black, while 67% killed by police are white. While 93% of all blacks killed are killed by blacks. We as a society just outraged over rumors, implied facts and misunderstanding!
“Britons never never never shall be slaves” — in poetic diction — “slaves” did not necessarily refer to plantation chattel slavery, though certainly an insult. It also meant someone who is conquered and defeated and submits to the will of others. That said, Key, a lawyer, did live in a plantation society and came from a landed family, a class which fought duels at the slightest provocation. Insofar as the song celebrated the USA over Britain it also celebrated slavery, i.e., was not abolitionist, but then neither were the founding fathers. That is a fact of our history and is not unique to the Star Spangled Banner. NB — I think having to stand up for it, or for any anthem, is ridiculous, but this is not a popular opinion.
It’s definitely time for a new national anthem, if national anthems are still necessary.
Neither national anthems nor nation states — certainly not nation states as ridiculously large as the US, Russia, China, India, etc. — are necessary.
Indeed, the larger ones, at least, are on the verge of being quite unsustainable.
City states are the future (if there is a future) and it’s OK with me if they have flags and anthems, as long as they don’t take them too seriously.
There’s at least one Nation state that’s relatively new to the game, and they will never give it up.
There’s nothing wrong with the size, it’s the intent of those that run it that matters.
Regardless of how misinformed Kaepernick is about racial “oppression” in contemporary American society, the fact that he is willing to risk a very lucrative sports career by taking public exception to two obscure lines in the third stanza of the national anthem seems commendable on its face. However, I suspect that this race-centric posturing will be little more than a brand-building tempest-in-a-teapot if the source of his income is seriously challenged. Ultimately corporate sponsors will decide if Kaepernick’s theatrics are worthy of their endorsement contracts. In truth, the Kaepernicks of this world are the mean by which the corporatocracy sells the American dream to black America. As long as he keeps playing football and selling them products, his value to the system itself is assured.
His political advocacy is the only concern here. Why would you digress into an articulation and speculation of what the future of his career holds?
Is this a modest suggestion that he should be financially punished?
Hi Andre, fair question.
A couple paragraphs out of Donald Siegel’s published essay entitled “The American Dream and Sport” sums up the
Black professional athletes like Colin Kaepernick are not only used by corporate America to pitch their products, but they are also used to sell Corporate America’s version of the American dream to the African America community. If Colin Kaepernick shares the view espoused by groups like BlackLivesMatters that American racism is systemic in nature, then his current role as a pitchman for that system is egregiously hypocritical. Likewise, his failure to stand for the national anthem because of its perceived racial overtones rings. pathetically shallow and hollow.
http://www.science.smith.edu/exer_sci/ESS200/Amdr/ADreamH205.htm
Sorry, my first sentence got cut off. It should have read:
“A couple paragraphs out of Donald Siegel’s published essay entitled “The American Dream and Sport” sums up the nature of corporate America’s relationship with professional athlete’s who are used to endorse their products.”
Truth Telling!!!!
BLM
Good thing that’s not the 3rd verse anymore.
Wow! This is very interesting…I’m not going to comment either way until I learn more about this…but it’s very interesting.
Why is slavery from the 1800’s even being talked about in 2016? Thats the problem. Let it go.
What’s with the inundation of authoritarians and racists here? Is there a rightwing hate site directing trolls here to spew their venom? They can’t have all just blindly stumbled on The Intercept at the same time and with the same mindset.
Ummm…. you challenged their worldview by not automatically accepting their holy writ, what did you expect? I mean this should have been about as predictable as the Sun not going nova this afternoon. Sure you know eventually it’s not going to happen, but you’re pretty sure it’s going to happen this time.
There’s an inundation of rightwing trolls who never posted here before. How did they all just so happen to discover The Intercept at the same time? I understand why they respond as they do to articles like this, but how did they get here in the first place?
Maybe the Patriotic Flag Wavers and Anthem Worshippers of Murka™ have their own version of hasbara, or Correct the Record?
Even flies can smell your bull $h!t
I think it’s their new found love of Assange and the release of Hillary’s emails. The Intercept and the right wingers love those emails.
Those particular wingaloons are too dumb to realize the Clintons are on their team; almost as dumb as the Dem party loyalists who still think Obama and the Clintons are stalwart liberals trying to fight the good fight, only to be stymied time and again by those dastardly Republicans.
If so, it’s a refreshing change of pace for wingnuts to finally be despising Hillary Clinton for accurate and proper reasons, as opposed to the lunacy they were peddling in the 90s, e.g., Vince Foster’s “murder.”
aint that right…
i so dislike Hellary that i started looking at what the rwnj’s were pushing and pumping. And i dare say that a lot of the stuff isn’t scary because it sounds crazy, it’s scary because it actually could be true.
ie https://patriotpost.us/pages/72
i would bet that a statistical analysis of relationship types and separations due to deaths would not be this co-incidental. I find it quite spooky.
If I didnt already have a massive migraine for the past two days I would probably have noticed that too and gotten one. Can a person have a migraine on top of a migraine?
The author is the culprit writing such drivel. Alavert was a way of life long before this country became independent and it was prominent in African societies as much as it was in European, Asian, and any other ethnic background. Slavery was common place in the Americas prior to any white man showing up and you, Michael Price, you and your narrow minded, one sided, biased way of thinking, immediately blame the right for hateful rhetoric. You people are such narrow minded fools! Blacks, in most cases, have themselves to blame for being anti-social!
Somebody heroically patriotic will be looking to burn The Intercept.
I am saddened when I see specific groups of people mistreated for reasons that are excuses by other human beings to simply be mean to someone who is different from them. My heart aches for the senseless killing of anyone. I see more subtle versions of that among high school aged young people who make fun of someone for being a bit different, I’ve decided that they’ve learned that from adults they observe. For some reason, there are people who have a hard time understanding that it’s okay for someone to be different than them, to think differently, like different things, choose different pastimes, live in different houses, drive different cars, you get the picture. On the other side of that, I am also uncomfortable with the “poor me” mentality. There are so many groups of people that have been mistreated and deserve to cry “unfair!”, but there are so many that don’t. So I honestly wonder, why do some take on a victim mentality and some don’t? Even Al Sharpton, who is a civil rights activist (who I personally think stirs things up rather than helps things), has been known to make bigoted comments about other people. I suspect none of us are exempt from some level of prejudice, NONE of us. In closing, just a comment, all of you who think using vulgarity to get your point across just verify for me that you lack character. That would be my area where I judge someone for their behavior. Just saying!
I can’t give any credence to an article that says “Righter” than you know….really, get an education, freaking dumbass.
So as in history, the meaning behind many symbols and quotes and even lyrics change meaning over time. When Francis Scott Key penned “The Star-Spangled Banner”, it was probably out of spite for getting his ass kicked by former black slaves now fighting for the British and their own freedom. Later, “The Star-Spangled Banner” became anthem for the Union Troops during the Civil War, meaning changed… But only the first verse is played, there are three other verses. Many Americans of all nationalities, race, religions, ethnicities and heritages have fought in wars defending the freedoms that most Americans now take for granted. The meaning of the National Anthem has changed meaning over the course of American history. The one thing that I do know is that, what one holds intrinsic to ones own heart has meaning and we all have the right to believe in what we want, we all have the right to protest and that is a part of being American. I personally have nothing against, “The Star-Spangled Banner.” It’s meaning has changed and when I see fellow Americans, standing on the podium in the Olympics, all Americans, I am still proud to be an American. I would never burn the American flag, or hold it in disregard, too many people have died for that flag. On the other hand if nobody protests what they see is wrong or unfair, then why did all of these people die to protect that very freedom. Meaningful protest is a part of being American, freedom isn’t free because it is paid for in blood and if we do not exercise our rights to protest we will find ourselves not protesting, we would be disregarding all of the lives that have fought and died for this country.
I don’t think it was the not standing that upset people so as that he is willing to take $11++million/year from a country he says is so unjust. He gets to be rich and eat his political satisfaction at the same time. They can’t fire him for political opinions.
He did not take any money “from a country.” He works as a football player for an organization that pays him.
Nope! The fates preserve us from historical illiterates, since only they could think that…
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
…somehow refers to black slaves in America. It clearly refers to Hessian mercenaries (“hireling”) and British soldiers (“slave”). The latter were routinely impressed, whipped, and beaten, and it was an article of faith among Americans of that era that such men were slaves, in contrast to free Americans fighting voluntarily for their country.
Then, of course, there’s first half of the verse:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
This verse directly attacks the British. It has nothing to do with black slavery in the United States or anywhere else.
One of the best articles I have read in my life. THANK YOU!
This was all covered in a landmark case when Captain Liberty was court-martialed. Our great nation went sadly awry when Fox cancelled the “The Tick.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu1cWaKTlt8
Thank you
Okay, no it isn’t. First of all, the song came from the poem “The Defence of Fort McHenry.” The entire song is about that one battle. The lyrics in question are basically saying “Even the people who aren’t soldiers have no safety from either a fearful flight or death.”
It is purely about that battle, not a celebration of slavery or anything else.
Do a little research next time.
Everyone should sit during the national anthem. Pick your reason, they’re plentiful. We are an embarrassment in oh so many ways.
So very true.
http://www.zmescience.com/other/map-of-countries-officially-not-using-the-metric-system/
The third verse seems to be satire, like it’s real obvious. The author is clearly saying “how do we call ourselves the land of the free when slavery exists?”
And the war of 1812 was started when the royal navy forced american citizens to serve them.
Wow……this article. That boy is not a slave, didn’t have parents or grandparents who were slaves and neither did any other blowhard trying to justify their outright disrespect for this country. Liberal logic.
Research this article folks. Slaves refers to the merchant sailors the British were impressing into working for the British.
Canada was attacked by Americans because it was a colony of the British at the time and the British wanted to stop trade between American and France. And France, for that matter, created the same trade restrictions as long as Americans traded with Britain.
This article is assuming you’ll just believe it because you want to and you won’t check to see if it is factual.
REad your history people, not just what is presented in this article. The Americans attacked Canada because it was a colony of the British at the time. Britain and France tried to stop trade from the Americas to each enemy. The slaves they refer to in the song is re: the impressment of American soldiers taken from merchant vessels and forced to work for the British. I don’t know the color of the sailors, but it’s not the “slaves” this article tries to make it out to be. This impressment was another reason for the war of 1812. Don’t be led blindly by any article without doing your research.
You have your head up your arse! The National Anthem is about the fact that our flag was still waving after a huge and bloody battle during the REVOLUTIONARY WAR!
And who sold those slaves??? Their own Chieftains! Doesn’t make it right, but let’s get the history straight!
Our National Anthem is NOT about him!
So many comments here going on and on about the fact our country had slavery…so did many countries…but what seems to be ignored is that hundreds of thousands died to correct that wrong and that debt has been paid by the blood they spilled.
Last paragraph gave me chills.
The fact is we had slaves in our country back in 1812. Real men and women with children and previous lives were snatched up and Forced to live on plantations. Some of our founding fathers also had slaves-it was a commonly accepted practice. Hitler had Nazi Germany. Africans also participated in genocide of own people as well. History is fucked up with people trying to “control” another people.
With that said, I believe Kaepernick chose the wrong venue to display his views. Especially since he has never been outspoken on any rights in past and reports repeatedly keeping to himself in the locker room not socializing. Black lives matter correct but we as a country forcibly enslaved an entire race by people who wrote the constitutional rights we fight so hard to protect. If they thought it was ok to beat slaves to work for no money as a lesser human, should we really trust that the “land of the free” meant all humans were free and that ideology wouldn’t still be seeped in our genes 200 years later?
It’s a mental type of enslavement now (poverty) and being influenced by your surroundings. You can’t tell me put a black kid in suburban California with a supportive family and he’s still stealing from convenient stores or carrying a gun to shoot Gabe, the friendly neighbor. I live in Philadelphia and see the results of the poorly educated, focus on material goods, cheap food that costs $1 vs $8 dollar Chipotle I can afford b/c I went to college. We are a product of our environment I believe and police wouldn’t have jobs if not for low income neighborhoods. I’m a white male but they serve/protect their own pockets. There’s not a fundamental care when they respond to a call of a black male shooting another. There’s a legacy issue going on with black america passing down unfavorable traits to their children. Children see their fathers demoralizing women, treating them horribly for ass to have 3-4 kids, then not supporting them. No where else have I witnessed 15-20 black males smoking weed at 10am in the morning with nothing to do b/c why work? The government creates a system of dependence in welfare state but it’s the black communities mindset of victimization that’s really killing this country. Until you give people something to strive for they’ll always pick the lowest hanging fruit.
“With that said, I believe Kaepernick chose the wrong venue to display his views. Especially since he has never been outspoken on any rights in past and reports repeatedly keeping to himself in the locker room not socializing.”
Except he has been outspoken on rights in the past; check his twitter.
No clue what making or not making buddies in a locker room has to do with anything at all…
Agreed. I didn’t elaborate on the point at hand-him not standing for flag. One has to really see then why he is choosing now to express his views on a national stage. Where was he last year in NFL with police killing blacks? Where was Carmelo Anthony speaking out on issues? I don’t have time to go back into Colin’s twitter but in the past he’s a quiet quarterback. Joe Montana even mentions this and he circled trade rumors for always having headphones on. Is Colin wanting to become more of a outspoken leader now and assert himself? If so, great. But that’s a different motive than him deeply feeling for the black community. I don’t care he came from privilege-white privilege is deeply alive and horrible. I’m curious to see what actions he takes since he does make a $19m salary to effect change in this country.
Also, it’s twitter bro. This is a comments section on the internet. Show me effective change and not the fear agenda he posts on twitter behind a screen. I just question his actions right now, at this moment, as the PC thing to do. In his conference with reporters he didn’t laid out a clear agenda of what societal change or progress he’d like to see. Just that until Colin feels there’s been a big enough change he’ll keep sitting. And that’s his right.
Wow, probably couldn’t even wait till you finished the whole article before you decided to plug your ears and whine about welfare and poor blacks as the real problem.
400 years of post slavery anti black policies and sentiment isn’t just self victimization.
Haha yeah. The white man keeping the brother down. From bettering himself, from starting work at Wendy’s for $10/hr before getting educated. Then having enough money to purchase his first home-thousands of miles away from inner cities. Poor blacks are the problem and it takes 1 youth breaking the cycle to effect change.
Haha yeah. The white man keeping the brother down. If you live in an area like Detroit I can see this with horrible economic infrastructure. But you can start a job at Wendy’s for $10/hr. Then you can get educated. Once have enough money you can buy a house thousands of miles away from inner cities. It takes 1 black youth breaking the cycle to effect change.
“With that said, I believe Kaepernick chose the wrong venue to display his views. ”
Actually he choose the exact right place to do it, where conformity is most expected is where it must be most challenged. The mindless acceptance of pro-government symbolism is quite frankly disgusting. Why do you need to constantly assert how much you love everything? Is this North Korea.
The military (DOD) paid the NFL to sponsor them at games in promoting patriotism the past 5 years. I read a recent article saying NFL plans to give money back. It was on the internet so must be true, gotta love promoting an agenda, not because you want to but it makes $$….
I believe Kaepernick chose the wrong venue to display his views.”
really?
Isnt that a bit judgy wudgy?
We are a product of our environment I believe and police wouldn’t have jobs if not for low income neighborhoods.
We have an operating environment that doesnt perform as it should because it was not created by good people.
Until you give people something to strive for they’ll always pick the lowest hanging fruit.
You are thinking – that’s good. You need to envision a functioning society, goals, means, what works.
Check out Keiser Report #949 for a start.
Then answer a question, Do we work to work more, or less?
Meanings change, words change. The Spirit of the song changes. Just as the “N” word or “colored” had less of a derogatory meaning back in the day so does the National Anthem have a less derogatory connotation now.
Having not even being adopted as the national Anthem until 1930’s it had been changed frequently. Not to mention it is still changed today as every Pop singer, one of y favorites being Jimmy Hendrix at Woodstock, has made it their own. Hence freedom.
Uh, no, the “N” word and “colored” were just as derogatory back in the day, but white folk being derogatory was certainly much more socially acceptable, which made using the terms no big deal.
I’m sorry, what era was it that the N word had less of a derogatory meaning? What “back in the day” time period are you referring to?
“Just as the “N” word or ‘colored’ had less of a derogatory meaning back in the day. . .”
No, they did not. And people who write “back in the day” are almost certainly too young to make statements like that.
Um, . . . I’m 68 and I use the expression “back in the day”.
Doug is a super smart and well-informed guy, but yeah, he kinda made a boo-boo on that one. I’m 60 and also rather often use the expression “back in the day.”
“But we don’t ever talk about how the War of 1812 was a war of aggression that began with an attempt by the U.S. to grab Canada from the British Empire.”
Yes, because violating American sovereignty and kidnapping American citizens off of American vessels to be impressed into British military service is absolutely no reason to start a war.
Good job, you’re such a hero fighting for the every man.
Violation of sovereignty – like the US does in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Haiti, Cuba, Etc ad nauseum?
Kidnapping citizens, like Extraordinary Rendition?
By your definition, most nations of the world would be justified in attacking the US…
Brilliant article, Jon. I’ll add that slavery was a Jewish enterprise, but Hollywood and its movies blatantly twists the real history and blames only white people . Here’s the source that offers many other historical sources within the book. This book had a hard time being published because the truth is dangerous in this era of lies and deception. Isn’t that right, Jon!
The book’s called “The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews”
This article is a perfect continuance of the “Hands up don’t shoot” narrative.
Revise history and repeat the lie so you can promote your sorry, divisive propaganda.
Divisive to racists only, who are the great dividers to begin with.
Communism will win anyways, and what a glory it will be to march classist pigs to the gulags or walls for the atrocities they uphold.
Since when was Colin a slave?
I did not know this. And I am really not sure what to make of it at this point. But certainly, something here does not sound right.
Is there any way to interpret this third verse of our national anthem differently?
While I disagree the N/A is a “celebration of slavery” – that is certainly not its primary intent – it strikes me as very odd that these words were included as lyrics.
I also disagree with Kaepernick’s choice of combining what sounds like “black lives matter” with this question of racism within the lyrics of our N/A. If he chooses not to show his respect during the playing or singing of the N/A because of the nature of those lyrics, that is enough to stand on its own, and it is his right to do so.[1] While the two may arguably be related, the N/A was not written about “black lives matter.” Perhaps Kaepernick should have called out the racism within the lyrics rather than the arguably-disconnected recent treatment and killings of African Americans. But, he should not be chastised for standing up for what he believes is right – especially by Americans who think they know everything and are ready to flame anyone on twitter at a moment’s notice.
[1] Although, standing during any country’s national anthem does not automatically pledge your respect and allegiance to that country. During hockey games, we (Americans) don’t sit for the Canadian N/A and then stand for our own.
This is the correct interpretation.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
You really should read the 4 verses together to understand the entire context. It was originally written as a poem. And if you want to dissect it, verse 4 includes the line “”…and this be our motto In God Is Our Trust” and refers to our “…heaven rescued land” which would seem to validate those who strongly argue that we were founded on Christian principles.
As this song was not written until long after our country’s founding, and did not become the national anthem till long, long after that, to draw any implications about the founding from this song indicates a complete lack of historical knowledge.
If one wishes to see how “grounded in Christianity” the US is, the Treaty of Tripoli, the first treaty the US entered into, written by and signed by the founders, would be a better reference, as it directly references the issue.
“The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
— Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously by the Senate in 1797
Thank you, John. People are indeed ignorant of history.
Facts of history doesn’t conclude when one say it does……… A second treaty, the Treaty of Peace and Amity signed on July 4, 1805, superseded the 1796 treaty. The 1805 treaty did not contain the phrase “not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
The same Christian principles used to oppress, killed and take native land I am going to assume. Those Christian principles? BTW Natives still confined to reservations.
I always find it sad when history is taken out of context and twisted around to make a point. I get it the guy takes issue with what he sees on TV, it is not inspiring. However, I’m not inferring he is obligated to sing or place his hand over his heart, but how about standing out of respect for those around you; not to mention some gratitude for the life this oppressive country has allowed him to lead. Let’s just go head and chalk that up to dignity.
Sure, I get it, the system isn’t perfect. What I can’t stand is the way that people complain about it. This country has continually improved and corrected wrong-doings for the past 200 years, through the will of the people. Yet still people complain… It really is unbelievable.
So thank you Jon Schwarz for another lopsided perspective from the media, and some of these responses make it seem as if critical thinking is outdated. So let me tell you where this path of idiocy leads:
You have two options. Fascism or revolution. Take your pick, as the choice is truly yours.
“Sure, I get it, the system isn’t perfect. What I can’t stand is the way that people complain about it. This country has continually improved and corrected wrong-doings for the past 200 years, through the will of the people. Yet still people complain… It really is unbelievable.”
Speaking of bad critical thinking. You admit the system isn’t perfect, and that the will of the people is what’s corrected many wrong-doings, yet you can’t believe that people are still complaining? Nonsensical, self-refuting logic.
Correct wrong doings?…lol. those things can never be undone
Maybe the people “still complaining” are why the US has continually improved and corrected the wrong-doings?
I doubt 1860 would have fell the way it did if people decided to keep their mouths shut instead of “complaining”
Great article.
I’ve always despise the Star Spangled Banner-I’ve read a great deal about the War of 1812 and the repellent verse Schwartz quotes above. Less important is the fact that anthem itself is just dreadful. Awful music, awful lyrics.
I’ve always preferred America the Beautiful or This Land Is Your Land as a replacement.
whats great about this article he is wrong in interpreting the words.
This article is incorrect. The song doesn’t promote slavery, Key is saying that we, as a country, had to kill our own citizens in a war for their freedom.
Hirelings does not refer to only African Americans.
The killing of slaves and war in itself is more of an indictment on the British who settled this country and were here when slavery began in 1619. Americans fought for their own freedom in 1812 and then fought themselves for the freedom of slaves in 1861. Nothing with war and freedom happened overnight.
If you are unhappy with the Star Spangled Banner, the flag of this great nation, and the sacrifices made before, during, and after the Civil War by soldiers, please leave.
Slaves weren’t citizens of this country. Slaves were property. The war was not fought to free them.
If you are unhappy with your drug addicted sibling, who robs and whores to support their habit, don’t try to get them into rehab, either enable their addiction, or cut them out of your life.
This is, in effect, what you are saying.
It is a shame that the British never won the war and freed all the black slaves in the U.S. Wouldn’t have been a Civil War.
You do know who settled this country right? You do know when slavery in this country began? The British weren’t fighting to free slaves, they were fighting to not lose this land.
Jose, this country was settled by Europeans. Many of whom did not practice slavery originally. When did slavery in this country begin? Great question! It actually began in Africa, where tribes would war. Occasionally opponents were captured and turned into slaves, ultimately being sold when the Europeans presented as customers with deep pockets. Now, we need to talk about the free market system?
This country was settled, according to most historians, by asiatic peoples who crossed the Bering Straits on a land bridge that existed toward the end of the last ice age.
Amongst the main reasons that the genocidal colonialists gave for rebelling against the British Empire (approximately 12,000 years after this country was originally settled), were the fact that England was on the verge of outlawing slavery, and also that the British had made peace with this lands original inhabitants, and were preventing the genocidal colonists from expanding their genocide.
There is nothing I have stated in this that is even remotely contested by historians.
Please PLEASE Drop the Mic because that was too much for ’em…..!
You have over-summarized key elements, while forgetting the emotional animosity generated by war, especially when the opposing side has just burned your capital. [It should also be noted that Washington was burned as retaliation for Toronto being burned by Americans; tour old Fort York in downtown Toronto and you’ll hear it in detail.] Key was writing about the enemy, not black people because they were black. Britain had outlawed slavery — it was run by Arab Muslims and supplied slaves worldwide. In 1805 slavery had been blocked in Canada, which became the terminus for the ‘underground railroad’. In 1807 it was banned throughout the British Empire. In the US, it took the creation of the Republican Party and a Civil War, to end it over 5 decades later.
Key may well have been a racist, likely most were at the time, but his animus wasn’t merely for freed slaves, but those who fought against his neighbours and countrymen.
The war for the British and Canadians had a different aim, one linked back to the Royal Proclamation of 1763 which was the biggest trigger of the Revolutionary War. Britain wanted to make a homeland for indigenous peoples — aka Indians — in what is now the MidWest. That’s why Indian Chief Tecumseh fought with the British and Canadians in the war of 1812-14. Had his side won, there would be a country surrounded by Canada and the U.S. (presuming all other things occurred as they did, never a betting proposition). That country would have consisted of much of the current lands occupied by Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin.
Nuance matters, especially in interpreting and relating history. All those who fought and died have relatives alive today. History wasn’t black or white.
A number of commenters have claimed Jon Schwarz got the history wrong. An example being Dave, who claims:
This is almost certainly false. I did some googling and found that Schwarz is correct. Including the statements of a dean of a journalism department interviewed in this excellent 14-minute video: What So Proudly We Hail Schwarz’s history is accurate.
Since we’re Googling: “The immediate causes of the War of 1812 were a series of economic sanctions taken by the British and French against the US as part of the Napoleonic Wars and American outrage at the British practice of impressment, especially after the Chesapeake incident of 1807. ”
There were other issues that contributed to the war but the impressment of American citizens to serve in the British navy was one of them.
Both correct and obvious. If Key had been referring to impressed sailors as “slaves,” he would hardly be glorying in their deaths or flight for their lives.
Jon is, indeed, correct.
Thank you for the education. I will be sitting during that song from here on out
I wonder why he didn’t stand before his huge contract. good for him, but the timing is a little squirrely.
It is true that many national anthems were written in less politically correct times. Today, killing slaves is generally not considered a cause for celebration. So perhaps it’s time to change the offending lyrics.
Canada recently changed its anthem’s offending lyric, “True patriot love in all thy son’s command” to “True patriot love in all of us command”. So perhaps the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner could be updated to:
To the Clinton Foundation, the foreigners gave
And in return got the weapons they crave
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
This site needs an upvote feature.
hahahahah yes. I want to upvote also.
Imagine a “smily face” in this spot.
You all are a bunch of racist looking for anything to turn it against the white people. It was written by Francis Scott Key when the English was bombarding a fort.
Oppression? I grew up in Detroit. We didn’t have money. I remember taking bottles to the store so we could have bread to eat. I made a choice to get work and better myself. Not stay in the ghetto. My hard work and learning as much as I can got me where I am. Nothing was handed to me. Same thing can go for anyone in the ghetto. Black man is held down by the black man. Everyone keeps saying race this and race that. You all have more chances then I did. There was plenty of jobs I went for where they hired color over me. No one wants to take it. They want to stay and be a thug. It is up to you all to change that. As long as gangs and quick money there will be no changes. I hate this country is being divided and I am not racist, just saying how it is. You all need to take the step and change these neighborhoods and stop the hate. Hate on hate does not work.
How sad. The thing is, no one judges you when you submit a job application or is afraid of you when you walk into the store or bank with your favorite team hat on to cash the check you worked hard for from the only place that would hire you because in a factory no one has to see your face. Yes, the black community can do better and I guess get over the fact they will have to work twice as hard to live the same life as their white counterparts. You get to wake up with yourself being the only obstacle stopping you from living your dreams. Try waking up with you, the person you hope will hire you, the cop that labels you a criminal because the black guy two blocks over is a criminal and a political system praying you just all kill each other off as obstacles and we’ll see how hard you had it in Detroit. I’m not saying these are excuses not to do right….I’m saying don’t compare your struggles to those of blacks because they are not the same!
“. . .I am not racist. . .”
Yes, you are.
As a Caucasian, pale as I can bloody be, you’re an embarrassment. An ignorant, self-absorbed disgrace. One person’s pain doesn’t make another’s any less and as a male Caucasian you had far more stable footing to get back on your feet and on top of it you try to use the excuse there were more black people working than you. Yeah you know why that was? Cheap fucking labour. Your comment screamed ignorant racist.
I agree with Kap.He has the right to demonstrate his opinion.And if the 49ers retaliate I plan on not buying seasons tickets next year.Standing for the star spangled banner isn’t part of his contract.They said the same thing about Gabby Douglas not putting her hand across her chest.Some people do hold true to their convictions.Much respect for Colin here!
I appreciate the facts and history references, versus the emotional off many of the callous comments. Well written piece. As for those suffering from white sensitivity, I say F.A.Y.F. – F*ck All Your Feelings. In other words, scrap the emotion and look at history. It’s easy to dismiss something when it doesn’t affect YOU. That’s called privilege.
This article is filled with MANY incorrect statements. The hireling and slaves were mercenary soldiers hired by the British and reluctant Canadians who were goaded into battle by British bayonets, not African Americans.
In 1833 Great Britain passed their Abolition of Slavery Act. Any American slaves “lining up to get on British ships in 1812″ were incorrectly told they would be free upon landing in England.
(Idiots abound.)
The author left out the first half of the third verse, which changes the context appreciably:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I submit that the subject of disdain in this verse is *not* the slave, but the deserter and the traitor who took arms against his nation by joining the opposition.
Still think we need a new National Anthem?
But the lyrics are calling the slaves deserters and traitors…..who were right to revolt against their oppression, even though the British, too, had not yet abolished slavery at that point. What I get from your comments is that you’re essentially hurt and taking the writers’ accusations personally. The national anthem is a historical document and we can learn from its shortcomings – doing so makes us a stronger nation, and more patriotic, as it means we are actually trying to learn from past mistakes, not ignore them and wish them away.
This Land is Your Land by Woody Guthrie would make a wonderful replacement.
The US has a long way to go before it is worthy of that song.
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said “No Trespassing.”
But on the other side it didn’t say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.
“The US has a long way to go before it is worthy of that song.”
Yeah, but better to sing of worthy aspiration than sordid reality — at least in anthems, dontcha think?
Or maybe Helter Skelter would be more apropo.
especially if sung by a choir of Native americans
I could care less what he does. It doesn’t hurt me or anyone else. I think it’s all about the buck. He had a rotten year and is on the edge of getting cut, you know 19 million big ones? Now if he gets cut he will pull the race card.
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I wish I could upvote this or at least ‘like’ it several times.
Um, the author needs to learn history himself before writing BS.
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
absolutely correct the reference is to impressment not slaves. But hey facts dont matter anymore!
Thank You
Colin Kaepernick you mean you are waiting for thug behavioral change? Keep waiting. It will never come. Why is it that you and other activists care more about how thugs are treated after their violent behavior rather than their victims themselves? Why don’t you sit down to protest inner city violence instead? That’s the real problem. Spend some of your millions to fix that and everything will take care of itself.
tired of this black lives matter crap. Why is it no other culture has the amount of violence as the black people? I see it every day. No parents around, no supervision, 10 year olds running wild, learning from the streets. Why? 1 parent families..that’s why. So, instead of all these cocktail party talking heads blaming lay up causes, really impress us by attacking the difficult question..1 parent families and baby mamas. Kids need supervision. watch a show like “The first 48″ and you’ll see non stop black on black violence..teenagers waving guns..not a parent in sight..
Address the tough issues not the layup “whitey killed this angel child”..who btw, is usually a thug with a laundry list of priors..Miss Davis wailing in the street “My child, my beautiful baby boy”..Umm, Miss Davis, he has 10 priors of which 3 were assault with a deadly weapon. Don’t give me that “boys will be boys” crap. Stop enabling violence and stay with your women and baby’s for more than 3 months……………..
Why not just write “I am an ignorant racist?” Much faster.
The author of this article obviously failed English class
The war of 1812 wasn’t a war of agression, it was started by the impressment of American sailors by British naval ships, the author is just an uneducated fuck trying to start shit
Flag worship is a form of idolatry, nothing more. Its practice should end.
I like the topic, Jon, and believe there’s no such thing as ancient, meaningless history – except when someone’s doing their best to forget criminal acts. The Pledge is another example of pure hypocrisy as this country’s never had “liberty and justice for all.”
Reasons I no longer celebrate white man’s Thanksgiving are the legitimacy it still gives manifest destiny as an excuse for the genocide of Native Americans – and the excuse it now gives me to instead celebrate my thankfulness for the conscientiousness of whistleblowers.
My SnowMann (Whistleblowers) Day this year is on Friday, November 25th.
Why don’t you GTFO of MY country, then? You are right about one thing: this IS the WHITE man’s country. Go f— yourself, enemy. Someday, we will all meet of the field of combat to decide to whom this nation rightfully belongs.
When one has no rational rebuttal, one resorts to violence or threat thereof.
Pathetic what lengths apologists go to in excusing bad behavior. Suggesting the national anthem “celebrates” deaths of slaves is about as meaningful as saying the movie Jaws “celebrates the death of bait.” Scouring the text with a microscope to find a microaggression from 200 years ago shows that some writers have lost all talent in defending a position with real facts or rational logic. Here is the real reality: Kaepernick can protest all he wants, just not on our time or with our $. When we go to the games, we pay to watch players play, not protest. If he wants to protest, he can do it at home in his McMansion on his own time in front of his staff of (probably mostly white) servants over dinner drinking Dom Perignon for all we care.
Amen.
So while Colin was sitting the other players were “playing”? Nope, you dumb motherfucker.
You’re micropenis, low income envy shines bright though. Freud would have a field day with the modern American white male.
This is a terrible attempt at textual criticism. The era in which the Star Spangled Banner was written was steeped in Biblical allusion, and to try to analyze it from a modern secular perspective without understanding the cultural language in which it was written, will result in a fail, which the article did.
The entire founding of our nation – the language, the imagery, the documents – is birthed from Christian millennialist thinking, and the “hireling and the slave” are first and foremost, Biblical allusions. The hireling is someone who doesn’t care about what he’s been given charge over (mercenary soldiers), and the slave are those who are slaves to sin. It may also refer to chattel slaves fighting for the British, but that’s almost certainly not the point of the verse. Since a large number of people believed King George to be the literal anti-Christ, those chattel slaves who fought for the British would be considered doubly enslaved – once to man, the other to Satan. All who fought for the Crown were blinded by sin, at least according to the Americans. The predominant belief at the time was that the “New World” was to be the physical location of Christ’s earthly reign for a thousand years (before the whole thing was destroyed and recreated, which was the dominant pre-millennial theology of the day), and those who had been enslaved to sin would be free in Christ under his reign. Their status as chattel slaves of secondary importance, as it was merely an “earthly” slavery. The real “slavery” was being a slave to sin. Thus, both a “bondman” and a free one could be spiritually free in Christ. The book of Philemon addresses this issue of a runaway slave being nevertheless spiritually free, and Paul’s address to Philemon is to request that he see his former slave as a brother sharing in the same spiritual freedom, rather than just concentrating on his physical servitude. If anything, The language of the Star Spangled Banner is more akin to this idea, than a simple secular reading that it endorsed or ensconced chattel slavery.
Read Ruth Bloch’s “Visionary Republic” for an excellent read on this.
He is an ass and obviously so are you. He is nothing but an over privedged, over indulged racist POS.
Best part of America is the right to LEAVE. Don’t like it? See ya!
This is also the best part of Syria. Syrians, however, have it easy, as it’s a relatively small country and you don’t have to travel that far to get to the nearest border.
sure. The BEST part of America is not having to leave when you’d rather change it. I’m gonna change it. You can go now.
Thanks for putting this out there.
Straight-up career suicide! Now Kaepernick will see what it is like to be poor in America. I hope he enjoys the downhill ride because you can not spit on the country that made you a rich mixed race man.
As for Kaepernick, where does he hide his self-righteous indignation while running to the bank with all of the United States currency with which he is burdened on payday? How could he ever stoop so low as to live in such a terrible “country that oppresses black people and people of color” and has “bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
Oh! His indignation does not extend that far eh?
He is a weak hypocrite who lacks conviction in his moral standing when it inconveniences him personally.
We can’t even get the US government to stop the sale of guns to people on the no fly list, and you want the National Anthem to be changed?! Good luck with that.
i will happily help you and that second-string quarterback pack, punk bitches
I’ve never liked that song as our anthem – glorification of war, violence and death. “And the rockets red glare, the bomb bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there….” Our flag flying over our destruction and murder. Great. Makes me feel so proud. And still so applicable to what we’re doing today to Syrian children and families in their homes while we make US militray industries richer and richer. Appalling. We desperately need a different anthem and I applaud all brave enough to protest it.
While we’re recalling the racist history of America, we should remember the history of the Democratic Party, which was the party of slave owners. The Democratic Party was opposed to the Abolitionist movement and chose secession when Abraham Lincoln was elected.
After the war, the Democratic Party was the party of Jim Crow and the Ku Klux Klan. Democratic progressive President Woodrow Wilson re-segregated Washington, D.C., fired black government employees and was sympathetic to the Klan. FDR was responsible for putting Japanese Americans in concentration camps during World War II and supported fire bombing of noncombatants during the war. Democratic President Harry Truman was a dues paying member of the Klan.
If we are going to get rid of the national anthem because of the line that mentions slaves, I think we should also get rid of the Democratic Party due to its destructive history regarding blacks.
Go to Canada then
There are precious few countries where a mulato raised by a white family could become a millionaire. Kapernick should STFU. The bodies he refers to are found mostly in black inner-cities and are shot by other blacks. Virtually NONE of the blacks shot by cops were innocent.
What is this, Nazi Germany? Why does he or anyone else have to jump up and sieg-heil whenever some idiot raises a flag?
He’s a millionaire so he should STFU? You’re poor white trash, don’t you realize by now that the nonsense that you poop out of your mouth doesn’t matter?
Your comment shows that you have shit for brains. When told the truth, you shoot the messenger. But the truth, asshole, is bullet proof, and history will piss on your grave.
90% of all black murder is committed by other blacks. I will respect players who stand against this wrong
Yeah and I’m waiting for the day when players take a stand for the 84% of whites who kill other whites too.
A punch in the face for you ? AHOLE !
STFU? only if seems necessary to provide support the the genocide of Palestinians.
Here’s an idea for a STFU policy …. make saying anything negative about zions or israel a capital offence. like @BSD.
genocide of FAKEstinians??? are you kidding me? Being that I live in Israel and have many and I do mean MANY Israeli Arabs that LEFT Gaza and the West Bank that have written articles and papers on how HAMAS is the reason for the deaths in Gaza and the West Bank…. Get your facts straight before you spout this BS. on that note. David is right. this is a black man raised by white parents that makes MILLIONS of dollars a year to be a bench warmer.. PUT your money where your mouth is and PAY for after school programs and other activities to keep the inner city youths off the streets and away from the drugs and gangs that they seem to see as necessary. Teach them to respect their elders and that if a cop says stop… STOP. Don’t fight them Don’t run towards them in a manner Cops deem aggressive. For G-d Sake COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!
Please don’t try to redirect the topic here for your own political agenda. We are talking about Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the USA N/A during an NFL game. I don’t believe Kaepernick is from the Middle East.
They are working on it, mean while the UC chancellors are driving the SJW movement.
Google who they are.
That’s as false as it is racist. To take only *one example from last month in Minnesota, Philando Castile was driving with his girlfriend, Lavish Reynolds, when they were pulled over at a traffic stop for a broken taillight. Castile did everything the cop directed him to do, and the cop shot him dead.
Spoken like a true White Supremacist! First of all, Kapernick identifies as a Black man and not of a “mulatto”. Now it seems, based on your comment, you think he should keep quiet and not speak out on injustice because he’s a millionaire?! Yall White supremacists crack me up lol. Even in my encounters in the workplace or in public, yall look at me, how I’m dressed, see the car I’m driving and wonder why I’m concerned about the struggle of Blacks in America. As if my success should make me forget about the struggles the majority of my people face daily. No…it doesn’t change anything. So for you to think Mr. Kapernick shouldn’t care and blindly cash his check and not worry in the same fashion is appalling.
Next, Mr. Kapernick is addressing the killings of innocent Black men and women daily by the hands of police officers. Don’t try to make this into “Black on Black” crime because it doesn’t exist. It’s just a phrase the media and White Supremacists use to deflect from the injustices Black people face. Because theoretically, people are going to commit crimes against the people they live close too. White people are going to commit crimes who they’re in proximity of and so forth, so please, think logically and stop using Fox news rhetoric and talking points. It makes you sound stupid.
And lastly, how were “NONE of the blacks shot by cops were innocent”? Philando Castile was a legal gun owner/carrier…he wasn’t innocent ? Alton Sterling, selling cds outside of a store, with the store owner’s permission….he wasn’t innocent? Eric Garner, allegedly selling loosies…he wasn’t innocent? John Crawford, who was in a open carry state, holding a BB gun inside a Walmart that sold real guns….he wasn’t innocent? Tamir Rice, a 12 year old boy, playing with a BB gun, also in an open carry state (Ohio)…he wasn’t innocent? Trayvon Martin, who was walking back home from the store and confronted and harassed by someone who was in possession of a gun and fought in self-defense….he wasn’t innocent?
I can go on for days but I don’t have all the time in the world to continue to prove you are ignorant, David. These Blacks were murdered and their civil rights were violated and this happens all the time. Because to people like you, with your mentality, believe that we are all equal under the Constitution. But the news and comments similar to yours tell me otherwise. Blacks don’t have protection under the 5th amendment, which is Double Jeopardy because each time an innocent black person is shot, his or her past (arrest history) is out in the media. If that person has done their time or paid their fine, why are they being re-punished in the court of public opinion. Blacks don’t have protection under the 8th amendment, which is cruel and unusual punishment. This states that punishment is supposed to fit the crime per our Constitution. You’re not supposed to die because you resisted arrest, David. Blacks also do not have protection under the 13th amendment, which clearly states that “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty and property, without due process of the law. That means these racist police officers shouldn’t play judge and jury when executing these black citizens they encounter, as well as any American. I know it and Mr. Kapernick knows it because we’ve either experienced it ourselves, or our black brothers and sisters we know have experienced it as well. These injustices don’t all of sudden disappear when you acquire wealth in this so-called great country of ours. No, not at all for us black folk.
Maybe you should take the time and try to understand why people are fed up with injustices in this country. Maybe you should read the Constitution and have a clearer understanding of its language. But you probably don’t have to because all the things I outlined, you haven’t experienced or faced in your great life of privilege but if you want to understand the plight of African Americans, you owe it to yourself and those after you.
Articles like this make me embarrassed to be a liberal Democrat… clickbait, plain and simple…
Real American history that racists purposely avoid and ignore. The actual history of this great country is far greater than the official story. You can start with the books Lies My Teacher Told Me and The People’s History of the United States of America.
NICE TRY LIB AS USUAL YOU CHERRY PICKED WHAT YOU NEEDED TO FURTHER YOUR AGENDA.
I followed Kaepernick thru college. Wasn’t a fan but I love college football. I was very proud of him but now I’m not so sure. Where else in this world can a minority young man make millions of dollars via his athletic prowess. NO WHERE. But he has the “right” to disrespect the anthem,the flag, this country for that matter. Just as Mr. Shwarz has to print whatever he pleases but try doing the same in another country. Your print is restricted and just because you’re great at a “game” doesn’t elevate you over some government functionary. You might be silenced or never noticed professionally at all. Its all ok. Our rights are bought & paid for. Use them,it’s what they’re for but be mindful why you have those rights & where they come from. It’s a shame that there is bigotry & racism,it’s a terrible thing. And it’s world wide not just in the U.S.
The war of 1812 was brought on because England was hampering the United States neutrality and impressing US citizens into the British Navy. Invading Canada was not the reason for the War.
Hmm. While I think we all have the freedom to honor this or that tradition as our right to the 1st amendment, I am not sure Kaepernick knew about this line in that stanza… Or at least I’ve not seen a report where he details as much. I felt his refusal was more general than that, placing it in context with the many racist occurrences and police actions against the black community in recent years. But maybe he did… either position would work.
But I am also not sure this writer’s interpretation of the anthem and that line is correct. I always put the lyrics of this in context of historical storytelling rather than the: “this is what I hope happens to my enemies and people I don;t like narrative.” It seems to neat to put in into that context today, and i simply don’t trust this interpretation.
This is a great little article!
Bring on those candidate songs by Woody Guthrie or Phil Ochs, or let Albert Brooks do that audition he suggested back in the early 70s.
What’s wrong with “America the Beautiful?” Oh right, it was written by a lesbian. The far right wingnuts wouldn’t like that. Or “God Bless America?” Wait, one stanza says “Thine alabaster cities gleam / Undimmed by human tears.” Wouldn’t go over too well with those who depend on causing OTHER people’s human tears to get rich, stay in power, or just feel superior to others.
Two older songs I’d like for patriotic melodies would get hated- one (William Billings’s “Let Tyrants Shake Their Iron Rod”/”Chester”) would be hated by those hostile to religion and non-New Englanders (And perhaps Clintonphiles, for its reference to Sir Henry Clinton). Another (Jezaniah Brewer’s “Ode on Science”), would be hated by religious people.
“But we don’t ever talk about how the War of 1812 was a war of aggression that began with an attempt by the U.S. to grab Canada from the British Empire.”
In 1803, Napoleon revived his war with Britain. While both Britain and France captured American ships, it was the British who forced the detained American sailors to fight for the Royal Navy. For the next several years, Britain impressed into service more than one thousand Americans each year. (See the definition of slavery)
In the summer of 1807, the crew of the British frigate Leopard stopped the American ship Chesapeake and demanded to search it. When the captain refused to obey the orders, the British warship opened fire, killing three Americans and injured several more. When President Jefferson learned of the incident, he ordered all British ships to leave U.S. territorial waters. The British, however, responded with even more aggressive searches.
The war between France and Britain saddled Americans with a number of restrictions. The British, acting under the “Orders in Council,” punished Americans who traded directly with France, and the French punished Americans who traded with Britain under orders referred to as the “Milan Decree.”
Compiling bits and pieces of history, selectively grouped for one’s own purposes are shameful. You omitted the reality that the British were enslaving American merchant seamen into serving in their navy to fight Napoleon. Their efforts included blocking America’s east coast since 1803. Lest we forget, they were also encouraging, and aiding, Native Americans to push back against Americans on the western front as well. So, the British military’s active recruitment of slaves was but one more tactic employed to coerce American involvement in Britain’s fight against the French. Your narrative loses credibility through your misrepresentation of facts that clearly show Britain to be the aggressor.
Shall we discuss Britain’s voluminous importation of slaves into the Colonies and Canada as well?
This genre of articles seems a real waste of time and energy. In fact the author apparently likes the idea of stirring things up as if there were not enough agitating matters available without digging around for more. How about an article on Hilary’s health or did the pickle jar test convince most of her vigor?
“. . .as if there were not enough agitating matters available. . .”
Overlooking the shitty grammar: There are plenty available and not nearly enough stirring! Bring it on!
Sorry for getting off-topic here a bit, but as a non-native speaker I’d be interested to learn what was wrong/otherwise atrocious in William’s contribution (which was, I’d agree, pretty thin on content).
Sounds like you’re upset by the political incorrectness of The Intercept challenging the sports-talk folks who complain about Kaepernick’s violation of politically correct behavior, but you aren’t able to bring yourself to say that because right-wingers don’t think enforcing THEIR politics counts as political correctness.
I certainly learned things from this article – while I hadn’t known the White House was largely built by slaves, I didn’t find it all that surprising, but I do find the Brits’ use of freed slaves in the War of 1812 surprising, and I hadn’t known that Key owned slaves. I’d interpreted the third verse of the SSB differently (it sounded like the kind of thing that talks about how Real Patriots fight harder than those mercenaries and conscripts the Brits used in their armies.)
The Intercept has become what I thought it would: a play thing for a billionaire. All this racism is ultimately designed to distract. Obama thinks he is black because he may be half black (or less) as does this football star. Bill Clinton claims he was the first black president so race is matter of personal preference. Black Lives Matter could just as easily be Asian Lives Matter. We never hear a word about pygmies, do we? And the really tramped down race is the Native American. Still it gives people who can not control their emotion a chance to take action like rioting. I believe you are fan of riots from the past at Salon.
Gee, if you have that to say about the Star Spangled Banner, I guess no Frenchmen should stand for Le Marseillaise, which says:
To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows
Or you could take it in the context of the times. In the SSB’s case, Key wanted victory over the enemy, and if that enemy included mercenaries and slaves, so be it.
After the financial crooks have been allowed (by the collusion of our federal state, and local governments) to steal 14+ million homes, I no longer stand for the national anthem nor do I say the pledge of allegience. Fvck that. I am no hypocrite.
Good for Kaepernick!
No-one is making you stay here.
Agreed. Not standing at such times is a ferociously effective protest, as people ask you why rather than shuffle you off to an unseen ‘free speech zone’ where you won’t disturb the façade.
There are many reasons to show peaceful disrespect for the USA, including its endemic institutionalized racism – which this event can and should draw attention to.
Oh, the overused, institutionalized racism card being pulled from the bottom of the deck..Yes, there are terrible instances of hate/racism, but, EVERY SINGLE disagreement doesn’t fit the mold. Pump the brakes a little—this and “white supremacy” are getting watered-down….
COMMIE !!!
in israel they steal homes to take and keep the land underneath. In America, their zionised counterparts on wallstreet steal American homes for profiteering. The goldsackers logo should be the skull and crossbones and lloyd should be wearing the pirate’s hat.
You mean Wall Street steals American homes built on land stolen from the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island, that provided the model that the Zionists followed in Palestine?
If you dig in Israel you will find ancient Jewish synagogues, ancient Jewish ritual baths & ancient Jewish coins.
We Americans are living on stolen land. Are you willing to give it all back to the Native Americans?
Evidence that Jews on Wall Street acted differently than gentiles on Wall Street?
GTFO out of my country. And take your alien genome (with which the WHITE Founders specifically did not want to share this Anglo-Saxon nation) with you.
Kaepernick never read the third verse of the National Anthem so give that thought a rest. He is doing moral showboating. I am sure he is the paragon of virtue and morality . . . . He is a multi-millionaire who “sleeps under the blanket of the comforts our country’s military” provides him to play a friggin sport. SPORT! Colin if you hate the USA and want to disrespect it then be an honest man and leave; Go up to Canada and make 1/40th of your current salary. Or leave your cush job and serve as a policeman. How dare you disrespect our military and the hand that feeds you. Don’t be a moral prostiture, give up your HUGE salary and leave or serve; otherwise your words are hollow
If you want to be accurate the original writing was a poem titled “Defence of Fort McHenry. Pen only jotted down what he experienced and what words would fit. Hence a poem. The Star Spangled Banner is our national anthem. Established in our military in 1913. Read a book. Oh and slavery. Might as well protest earth because every country or civilization has indulged in slavery. Also what about the Chinese, Native Americans, and Latino races has America enslaved and suppressed. Don’t hear much out of them.
Jon Schwartz, you are an idiot. Plain and simple.
His first few years in the league, I thought Kaepernick was white.
I always respected his ability, and thought he would make a fearsome opponent if he ever learned to wield all that talent.
Now I respect him as a person.
Good work, Kaepernick.
An imperial apologist pens a letter in defense of the British Empire. Which of course was a far more moral enterprise than America. Shame on you sir. Does everything rise and fall on the treatment of Slaves? What about the rebirth of the republican form of government after thousands of years. Do human rights stand for nothing? there are more than 100 nations and America is among the First Nations to outlaw slavery.
If you want to talk about oppressing the “people of color” perhaps you should contact Barack Hussein Obama. The last 8 years have destroyed the progress of the last 30. Democrats only want the black vote in an election year. Then they conveniently forget them.
Are you black?
One word: Turtle-Man. At the beginning of the 8 years he vowed to obstruct at every chance. He set a record for filibusters per session.
Step away from your radio, Mam.
Look up “absurd” in the dictionary and you’ll find that there.
This, however, is true:
Neither Democrats nor Republicans give a hoot about *anyone* who’s not in the elite or the sycophantic establishment serving the oligarchy. The Dems pretend to care for disenfranchised POC, and the GOP pretends to care for the white working class, but both major parties promote the very policies keeping income-and-opportunity inequality in its worsening state.
Any act of rebellion is always serious. But sports plays a special role in distracting the public from their declining living standards. Before the game, you play the national anthem and present an award to a wounded veteran. Love of sport mingles naturally with love of country. You give the star quarterback a contract for tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars, and in return they visit schools and preach the message that in America, your dreams can come true.
So an act of rebellion by a star athlete is not the same as a crank comment at The Intercept. The First Amendment wasn’t designed to cover this. So someone will have a quiet word with Mr. Kaepernick, and he will apologize to the fans, the sponsors and the NFL. Or he will disappear quickly from the football.
Exquisitely put. I don’t doubt that he will be expected to apologize. Johnny Depp had to, for vaguely suggesting the USA was not up to reasonable standards, and so did Ariana Grande – although her complaint was that America doesn’t let you lick other people’s donuts. It’s worse for sports figures, as they are supposed to represent American exceptionalism, not take exception to America’s divinely-bestowed specialness.
“It’s called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.” (George Carlin)
Sports may be a distraction, however, there doesn’t appear to be any correlation with “declining living standards”, let alone hard evidence.
In fact the opposite may be truer. Most 3rd world nations and the people of them don’t invest a great deal into professional sports. Someone would if it were profitable, but the majority of the popukace don’t have the time or inclination to view or invest money into sports.
Then take a relatively wealthy nation like the U.S. There’s variety and wealth in various professional sports. I don’t think viewership and investment increases in times of hardship either.
Juvenal, in Satire X, wrote:
Of course, times change and while Roman citizens may have been content with bread and circuses, Americans, with the increasing sophistication derived from the passage of 2,000 years, demand beer and football. But the principle is the same.
Obviously, any ruler would like his subjects to be so poor they must devote all their energy to simple survival. Leaders of third world countries have it easy. But once living standards become a little higher, it’s necessary to keep the people distracted. The level of distraction required depends on how badly you’re trying to con them. In the US, that level may be a little higher than some other countries.
What a spoiled hypocrite. A man with more income, living better than perhaps 99.9% of human beings to ever roam the earth — white or black; seriously, think about that — thanks to the United States.
I submit that there’s nothing more damaging, psychologically, than letting yourself become a victim (even if you actually are one). All black leadership does, time and time again, is shatter the psyches of black individuals. Doesn’t matter one’s circumstance, race, color or creed — self-pity is destructive in any situation.
Nothing will change until black families are restored. That’s not rhetorical or a shot at black men (since it’s becoming a problem across all races). But that actually requires hard work and difficult conversations — not just sitting idle for 30 seconds and media adulation.
Thanks for the history lesson on the national anthem as I am absolutely positive the third verse–which .001% of the American public knows–is precisely why Kaepernick refused to stand for it. When his life or property is threatened some day, I’m sure he will stand by his principles and not call on the racist police herein the US to assist him. As for the history presented by this author, please try studying a little more about the War of 1812 before writing of it and discover why it began–impressment of American sailors and raids on settlers by American Indians, both directly caused by the British. Finally, if the anthem only represents slavery to you, please inform us of a better nation with a history not blemished by slavery.
This is dumb:
Kaepernick is entitled to the services of the police as much as anyone else. He a is also, as much as anyone else, entitled to oppose their illegitimate actions.
Exactly
“When his life or property is threatened some day, I’m sure he will stand by his principles and not call on the racist police herein the US to assist him.”
I don’t know about Colin, but the last call smart poor folks and people of color want to make when facing threat to life, etc. is to the police. The only Americans who don’t understand that live in a world of privilege and ignorance.
f^ck that sh!t. that’s why i always be carrying heat (ya know what I means)?
So, the attacks by the Native Americans, whose land was stolen and whose people were slaughtered by the colonialists, were caused by the the British, not the predictable reactions to their displacement and the genocide committed upon them?
Methinks you deny the agency of those you deem to be inferior…
A failure as a QB, Colon Kaepernick, maybe at life as a whole, looks a little dismayed in his recent photographs sitting during an anthem to honor the the deceased of past and recent wars which died for this country and him – not sure if he even realizes it or cares.
Do you realize that the most recent African American shot by a cop was shot by an African American? Probably not… The encounter for which you write, the author, and book I have not read. I’m sure the sourcing throughout is legit, but you do understand that even our most revered founder George Washington held slaves as well?
People have been oppressed throughout history. For instance, why did the English come here, settle, rebel against the British Monarchy, and decide there would be a new nation? Because they were being oppressed and routed by the King. But, we fought for our freedom and won our Independence.
It was an institutional thing then much like when the Egyptians held Jews (Moses’ people) and any other sect of people they could as slaves…
Colon acts as if he knows something other’s do not and by being a very public figure should realize that he has his freedom because he resides in this nation, is a citizen of it, and though many throughout it and its founding have been oppressed have persevered and made it great. There’s alternatives but nearly none as free as here in the U.S.A.
Yes, I know his name is Collin, but till he carries himself like an adult then I’ll stop calling him and a#@.
Are you a libtard? Or or you serious come on really he is totally wrong. The problem there days is our youth are being taught wrong by library progressives. We need to stand up against people like him and you for supporting his behavior. Stand for your country it’s flag and it’s anthem a lot of us stood ready to defend it at all cost. Please think of everyone before you write some library statement next time. GOD BLESS AMERICA. May out FLAG and our anthem forever fly and ring in the ears of our oppressors.
Sweeping generalization of the War of 1812, so much so that you have completely misrepresented it. Also there is no way to equate the current era to that of 200 years ago. Kapernick probably did this as a publicity stunt since he is second string and has fallen out of the lime light.
You are so ignorant to believe this article. Do your research.
So, I guess you’re unhappy to live in this country? I guess there aren’t any good people left trying to do the right thing in this country. While I agree with you 100% and more, I’ll keep standing for the people that are trying to do good for this country and the world. BTW for others reading this, The last two verses were left out for a reason but hey, let’s just conveniently leave that part out. One other thing, We didn’t have a national anthem till many years latter. It was just a placeholder until one was voted on. The vote was in 1916 with many stipulations on it. Who cares what the song is, the flag looks like, your standing to show solidarity to and for the people.
Thank you for that. I had no idea that the national anthem had that backstory.
This lost any credibility with the word righter.
I believe that you have taken that verse out of context. If you want to blame someone for 200 hundred years of oppression than look no further than the political party that offered 40 acres and a mule.
1) That’s not why Colin said he wasn’t standing during the anthem singing.
2) The verse is about BRITISH mercenaries and BRITISH shanghaied soldiers and the war of 1812 wasn’t about conquering Canada either (you conveniently overlook the British actions against the US at the time and their stance on slavery in other parts of the world).
3) About 99.99% of US citizens don’t know, care about or agree with this misinterpretation of the US anthem and there is no proof Colin had that in mind (he was talking about the situation today).
4) He’s just using this political circus to get back into the headlines, since his career isn’t to his liking.
Great read! Thank you for your work!
Black on black crime remains the number 1 problem. Yet Colin and/or BLM will never make mention of that … sigh.
I agree with Colin 100% and would also add all the other oppression unleashed around the planet by the US govt. This country’s leaders and military has gone insane, and myself too, every day that I hear about all the heinous violence unleashed in the name of what; capitalism, world conquering, just to make the rich richer? The US govt is the biggest terrorist on the planet, both here and abroad. I don’t know the rules for NFL players so if Colin gets in trouble it’s too bad; but if more Americans would see around the MSM propaganda machine they too would join Colin in solidarity instead of booing or worse and help end some of the oppression both here and abroad.
I suggest you move to North Korea….
Just asking, so we are the reason for all oppression in the world? Have you taken a look at ISIS? How they treat women. Boka Haram even.
You don’t need a new national anthem, I guess it’d be enough to do the same we, germans, did… just proscribe the rather outdated verses.
I guarantee the writer of this article is a liberal! No matter how much they try to cover it up, liberals hate what our country stands for. They are seeking to change us and make us a socialist country. Here is the true meaning of the Star Spangled Banner – don’t believe this guy’s drivel: The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812
“Francis Scott Key then describes the Star Spangled Banner as a symbol of triumph over all adversity”
The third verse is not sung. The vast majority of people only know about the first verse, only the first verse is actually used as the national anthem. To throw out verses that are no longer sung and have not been used as an excuse for what Colin Kaepernick did says more about the author of this article than the millions of men and women who are proud to stand during the anthem and support the United States.
Good read Jon. It’s to bad most of your American readers don’t get the real point. How 1812 started or ended is irrelevant in Kaepernick’s stance against the third verse of your American written, American National Anthem. Clue in folks!
“You can decide for yourself whether there’s some connection between what happened 200 years ago and what Colin Kaepernick is angry about today.”
He obviously has no idea about the full history of the national anthem – as with 99.99% of the citizenry – so trying to create a link where none exists is quite a stretch.
But, your article is very revealing, and the fact that it was made the national anthem is really appalling, now that you’ve enlightened me and others about its origins.
It should be
…replaced. Maybe Kanye has some ideas…
Change it to Iggy Pop’s “corruption.”
From the drip drip drip of the teardrops
To the chink chink chink of the cash
To the end end end of the friendships
To the wack wack wack of the bash
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
From the tick tick tick of your time’s up
To the yes yes yes of ‘I’ll sell’
From the fact fact fact of the soulless
To the pact pact pact with hell
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption corruption corruption
Chills my bones
Corruption corruption corruption
Rules my soul
Corruption corruption corruption
Chills my bones…
The Bleeding Hearts and Artists tell it like it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BihAbyMLgcc
it doesnt matter if he knew that backstory. that anthem was made when niggas was still in chains so the words that the song represents are hollow sorta like black ppl celebrating july 4th and to the ppl who’s response is “go back to africa” you’re pretty much saying if it wasnt for slavery all blacks in the world would be barred from traveling to the USA legally or illegally, like most other immigrants. logic is no friend of racists.
Your historic use of simile is useful, but a bit off. Regarding the terms: Hireling and Slave… My friend, the British recruited by Gun Point during this time. That is what FSK was referring to: Maybe you would be happier route than going all volunteer? Also, your juxtaposition between his comment and the one you are eluding to is 180* different. At no time, did Kaepernick make reference to the war of 1812… He did say that he made a bunch of money to throw a ball around, while “his people” were dying in the streets. While completely disrespectful; Kaepernick’s actions display that those who have been dying in the streets are not Americans and are not worthy of him standing and showing respect.
Wow, one doesn’t usually see this many knuckle-dragging reactionary MURICA boosters in The Intercept’s comment section. Seems like you touched a nerve…
no kidding. had no idea. Thanks Jon Schwarz for putting this out.
So F. Scott Key was Erdogan #1. Looks like he was also a traitor to the constitution A1.
I don’t really care whether he stood for the national anthem or not. The problem is he’s just another ignorant celebrity that inflames more than he helps. I was hoping to see some well thought out ideas on US drone policy or something.
The plight of american inner-cities is a legacy from previous US policies, most of had nothing to do with these policies. If he stated his case without implying many of us are racists I would be on his side.
“The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery.” Nobody cares because nobody interprets it that way at this time. It’s amazing the mix A+ material and F material Greenwald retweets.
He’s a has-been as football player and a chump as a person. He’s done absolutely nothing in his life to improve racial equality. What a joke.
Are you people Idiots? The star spangled banner has absolutely nothing to do with killing of blacks or slavery. Thats a totally different war agains the brittish not the civil war. Get your facts straight.
A person so grossly ignorant of Biblical allusion shouldn’t be allowed to exegete texts from an era steeped in them. The founding of America – the language, the imagery, our founding documents – is entirely birthed in Christian millennialism. The Star Spangled Banner is just one example of it, especially the last verse.
King George was seen as the anti-Christ, and this “New World” was seen as the place to which Christ would come again (the Parousia) and rule the earth from until a thousand years had passed (pre-millennialism). After which the Heavens and Earth would be destroyed and recreated again without the stain of sin. Those who fought for King George were his hirelings (originally referred to in the Bible as shepherds who didn’t care about the sheep) and slaves (a slave of sin – anyone who was blinded by Satan or the anti-Christ). So, the chattel slaves who fought for King George were doubly enslaved – once by man, the other by the anti-Christ (as far as the prevailing culture was concerned). Ruth Bloch’s “Visionary Republic” is an excellent read on the subject of the millennial roots of the founding of our Republic.
Far from ensconcing chattel slavery as the de facto motivation for the founding of the nation, and reinforncing it through a national anthem, the subtext of the song is an allusion to the struggle for freedom from Satan, and with victory, the ushering in of the Second Coming of Christ, which would free all men into a Golden Age of human delight.
Besides the laws outlining the treatment of slaves, the Bible (either OT or NT) never outright condemns human slavery because it was an assumed part of the cultures to whom it was addressed. However, in the New Testament, those physically enslaved by man were nevertheless considered “free” men in Christ, because Christ set all men free to the truth of the Gospel. The book of Philemon is precisely about this issue.
The author basically made an attempt at textual criticism, and failed horribly.
Sorry, this has nothing to do with African slaves – The 3rd verse of the Star Spangled Banner lyrics is a reference to the British act of Impressment (kidnapping American sailors and forcing them into service on British war ships). This was one cause of the War of 1812
You make it sound as if there was no British aggression involved at the start of the War of 1812. The British had a policy of conscripting American sailors into the British Navy. There were also hostilities with Native Americans that had British support.
Thanks for doing some solid research! Now, let’s assume 99.999% of the population either doesn’t know nor do they care about the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner (I think that’s a pretty solid assumption). What are the odds that Colin Kaepernick both knew of the verse – and it’s presumed meaning – and used that as a trigger for his actions? Is that the probable reason? Or is it that Colin Kaepernick is quite aware his career is almost over and wants out of San Francisco and decided that it’s better to appear to be “making a statement” to expedite his exit or to just admit and have the public realize that he has long since passed his shelf life as an NFL quarterback?
Some things are better left unsaid, he should concentrate on his actions on the field and leave the politics to people who know how to handle it. Whether right or wrong, I think we all know the words of the Anthem will not be changed. And all the Breitbart/Trump followers wwill have a field day with this.
And your article is a celebration of pure bulls**t. I live in Houston, the 4th largest city in the United States. Like most of the major urban centers, Blacks and Hispanics outnumber whites. We have a black mayor. As a caucasian, I feel a bit oppressed, but not sufficiently so to make a hysterical, unsubstantiated, race-baiting, inflammatory statement to the effect of “There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.” What it boils down to is that Colin Kaepernick is just another poorly educated, over-propagandized slave of the State who finds it easier to make absurd statements than to engage in rational, thoughtful conversation. The real shame is that anybody gives a rat’s ass what CK thinks.
wait, so why is this news? it’s 2016. who cares? really now, I have better things to actually worry about…jeez
Kill yourself.
No doubt, a mongrel hoard of historically-challenged, jingoistic troglodytes is about to over run these comments with taunts of “why don’t you move to Somalia?” or “If you don’t love the flag and the anthem, you’re with the terrorists!”, as they attempt to tar and feather the author rather than attempt to pierce the poignancy of the message. Brace yourselves.
I just want you to know I would never waste my time reading an article with “righter than you know” in the headline. You are DQ’d!
“Righter?” — great grammer, Nitwit.
Klapper dick — insignificant overpriced “has been” trying to gain attention. The Niners would love to dump this “oppresed” no talent —- but, no takers.
It has nothing to do with slavery thats ignorant as can be, it was written about becoming free from british rule.. everyone in history has been oppressed and everyone still shows respect for there country or the traditions of football if you can’t manage that
‘Righter than you know’ ?? Who wrote that, failed English I suppose.
Thank you for noticing . . . I was cringing while reading the headline, and wondering if Common Core had rendering reading and writing a moot point.
“Righter” has been used, more recently informally, as a comparative form of right (as in “more right” than) for a very, very long time. Perfectly acceptable in this usage.
Unlike your jumbled attempt to construct one, or perhaps two, English sentences. (<<< This is a sentence fragment but, when you achieve adequate written English skills, you, too, will be awarded authorial license to bend the rules. You simply have to know then and how to use them before that license is granted.)
Standing is a sign of respect for what the nation represents – and since it has been diseased by corporatism, militarism, imperialism, governmental overreach and cultural retardation until becoming the cesspool of self-importance, media-shallowness and corruption it is now, the US deserves no respect whatever even if it changed its racist and bomb-bursting anthem to “I’m A Happy Camper.”
You nailed it!
“he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who’d freed themselves.”
…because Jon Schwarz was there everyone. And Jon Schwarz can also read minds. It’s hilarious you take Colin’s childish behavior and write something completely irrelevant to the event.
It’s also amazing that Colin sat there behind his team of mostly blacks, in a league dominated by minorities, in a state that is a majority minority (figure that one out), while being paid millions (yep, sounds like oppression) and cried like a baby instead of providing a real solution. Colin simply added more controversy and divisiveness to society. A better solution would have been to actually organize and raise awareness. I’m guessing his parents, those black ones who abandoned him, are proud while his white ones (the ones who actually gave him direction) are embarrassed.
In short, it really sounds like good ‘ol Colin is annoyed his once promising career is dead in the water and decided to take it out on ‘tha man’. The end.
Jon,
Shut up, comb your hair, shave your face, and stop acting like a little girl. Nobody with an IQ above a potato will listen to you.
I’ve pointedly disagreed with some other of your articles, but this one is different – thanks for the education.
If I may, the commenter is “Schwartz”…… the author is “Schwarz”!
Excellent read!
Simple! If you do not like what America stands for, give back all the money you made because this country gave you the ability to do so and leave.
Always the reaction from someone in denial or someone who is completely ignorant about the dynamic of having pride in something that’s corrupt, deceitful and downright hypocritical of what’s portrayed. Let me educate you on something, this country wouldn’t be what it is domestically and abroad if it wasn’t for slaves unwillingly and forcefully building it. Furthermore, this country isn’t yours to just tell someone to go home. So if anybody needs to leave, it’s you and your saturated, spoiled, rotton, tired, old, inbred, blind, lazy, despicable, sour, racist kind!
They weren’t “given” anything…they fuckin’ earned it…unlike yourself.
“Love it or leave it!” — the war cry of the knuckle-dragging torch and pitchfork crowd for decades.
Way to write a completely revisionist version of history. The war of 1812 did not begin because the US wanted to capture Canada…. US was expansion at this time was aimed at the US southwest/Mid West. Love how you ignore British Impressment of US citizens and sailors and the support of Native American Raids into US towns along the frontier. The state of journalism these days is downright sad and nearing the awfulness of the days of yellow Journalism.
English translation? WWAAAaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh…mommy! Them libruls is using FACTS again…more Fox…more Breitbart…mooommmmmyyyy…
Good work Nete, someone actually does use facts instead of using half truths and you use your advanced scholarly skills to berate someone who is clearly more educated than you.
Typical lib response. When you don’t have an argument you call names. Really mature.
Your valid point is on the top of your pinhead.
And your headline sounds like my 10 year old wrote it.
As usual, history is interpreted to serve a current narrative it has nothing to do with.
Key was referring to the commonly practiced, and worldly known, habit of the British to ‘enslave’ captured enemy soldiers to serve in menial positions in their army. Positions such as rowers in their fleet, livestock handlers, “pack mules”, etc. The phrase in the song had NOTHING to do with slavery as its trying to be insinuated in some of the media, and in this article.
Again, it’s just history being rewritten by revisionists to serve some type of warped agenda today.
This is 100% correct great post sir. The quote had ZERO to do with black slaves it was absolutely about what is mentioned by David. Very sad attempt by Jon to write fictional history. Then you totally contradict yourself. According to you in 1812 Key is writing, singing, and bragging about blacks being treated in a racist way but then according to you in 1833 he is “furious” because someone wrote about blacks being treated in a racist way. Lmao, make up your mind which is it?
Thank you Jon…….did not know the history.
Always learn something new from your posts!
This explanation of the Star Spangled Banner says otherwise:
http://m.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
Oh, boy. Seems like Jon misinformed readers by just making up a theory. The war of 1812 was significant largely for fighting British Impressment–the enslaving of American sailors to fight.
Thank you for the article I was unaware of that disgraceful fact in American history… Not one of my History teachers ever mentioned that…..
They didn’t mention his interpretation of the lyrics for good reason. It was a self-serving opinion that ignored 1812 “Impressment.”
While you have some good points, I have some problems seeing the British who were at the time SELLING the US slaves as great emancipators.
A private citizen has a right to protest and not stand up at a ball game.
Kaepernick is a representative of the team and the NFL. — W0X0F
His team doesn’t seem to be all that upset:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/27/kaepernick-sits-during-national-anthem/
Kaepernick marketed his skills and the NFL purchased. They did not, however, buy his constitutional rights and he chose, courageously, to exercise them. If they choose to punish him for exercising his rights they may lose more than what they will by letting him keep his free speech. Then again the NFL has never really given a shit about being associated with cretins and morons in terms of their fanbase to date, so Kaepernick walking away with his brain function and dignity intact may not be such a bad trade for them.
The author erroneously states
“the War of 1812 was a war of aggression that began with an attempt by the U.S. to grab Canada from the British Empire.”
The real reason for the War of 1812?
A large goldmine was discovered in North Carolina the booty was mostly shipped to England as reparations for the American Revolution. Thomas Jefferson had enough votes in Congress to stop the flow of gold in 1811. When Washington DC was sacked Jefferson surrendered the gold flow to England for another 50 years.
The original Federal Reserve Bank in Charlotte functioned as the transfer warehouse and shipping point for the gold and run by families named Payseur and Springs who till this day remain the most covert richest individuals in the world. These families who owned the preferred stock of all major American corporations (especially the railroads) were the overlords of the TRUSTEES named Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie and others.
The Canada takeover joke has been a cover for the fight over the gold flow from North Carolina to England
After the British sacked Washington DC, England gave Jefferson two choices
1. Have the country put into concentration camps where Andrew Jackson spent time as a youth.
2. Resume the flow of gold from North Carolina to England.
The gold flow agreement was one the best kept secrets in world history
Your entire post is filled with the idea that Jefferson was president in 1811. Actually, Madison became president in 1809, & continued in office until 1817.
Your post claims 3 or 4 times that ‘Jefferson’ was president in 1811. (for example, “Thomas Jefferson had enough votes in Congress to stop the flow of gold in 1811..,” etc). Actually, Jefferson left office in March 1809, and Madison was president for the next 8 years.
Your reading of the poem is too much like a fundamentalist reading of a religious text. I don’t pretend to know precisely what was in Mr. Key’s mind, but it seems at least equally plausible to me that by “hireling and slave”, he meant the British forces, which included Swiss mercenaries as well as British subjects who, by virtue of the fact that they were subjects of a hereditary monarch and not citizens of a republic, might well be considered “slaves.”
My first thought as well.
According to a web site about the Star Spangled Banner lyrics, the meaning of the lines about hirelings and slaves in the third verse is:
“The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “the hireling ” refers to the British use of Mercenaries (German Hessians) in the American War of Independence
The Star Spangled Banner lyrics “…and slave” is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812″
See: http://m.american-historama.org/1801-1828-evolution/star-spangled-banner-lyrics.htm
Well, sometimes a slave is a slave, and I’m pretty sure that’s what Key was referring to. There were “American” slaves fighting for the British against the Americans, and this got his goat.
“However, we’d wildly overestimated the strength of the U.S. military.”
I think you mean British military?
i hope he just lost his career
Your disgraceful..nobody talks about white people being murdered, its not popular with politics or the news. I wonder if he said a prayer of those two nuns slaughtered by a black man. Bunch of hipocrits!
“You’re”
Just like the six victims slaughtered in one household last week in Alabama by a white drug addict from neighboring State of Mississippi.
You just showed your ignorance. Not worth the time.
Whatever, if u r American, u stand for the national anthem, don’t be a whiny bitch, and try to make issues where there shouldn’t be!
The author’s characterisation in the article of the War of 1812 has support in historical fact. The Brits sponsored freeing slaves when they moved through US territory. Britain, in 1772 had abolished slavery within the UK though they permitted it in imperial territories until 1833. Samuel Johnson, in Britain, opposed the secession of the yankee colonies from the British empire because slave drivers and liberty were a strange mix. Canada, meanwhile, views the war as sort of a war of independence since they were able to maintain independence from the US during this “second revolutionary war.” The final treaty, which was status quo antebellum, was agreed to because Napoleon was still a threat. He returned to France in 1815 and his final defeat at Waterloo sealed his defeat, far more important to the British government at the time, which, in any event, had major influence over the yankee government through the first half of the 19th century.
The British were still selling slaves at the time of the War of 1812. They were hardly paragons of freedom.
True, 1838 is when they ended it for their country.
The author has his characterization of Key’s poem wrong though. It was not a celebration of victory over (American) slaves but rather a celebration that free men will be victorious over an army of slaves and hirelings. In this case though, it is a reference to the conscripts and foreign-born sailors that comprised a large percentage of Great Britain’s navy.
Great Britain did not sponsor the freeing of American slaves until well after the battle for Fort McHenry. The author has the timeline all wrong.
Of course, Kaepernick’s “protest” had nothing to do with the historical significance of Key, his poem, nor its first stanza which comprises our national anthem. He’s just a guy who is bitter over losing his job than came up with “ummm … POLICE BRUTALITY” when challenged for sitting out the anthem.
Meanwhile, guys like Dwyane Wade are living their philosophies rather than pouting over playing time.
Well said. The author has no clue what the lyrics even mean or the historical context of the song.
A private citizen has a right to protest and not stand up at a ball game.
Kaepernick is a representative of the team and the NFL.
Does the NFL support actions that alienate the fan base? Is the NFL politically correct and define some actions as appropriate and others not?
It is our National Anthem, warts and all!
I promise you the only people upset about his actions are the ones who scream about how political correctness is destroying the country. Except now, when they feel slighted.
Joining a football team means you give up your rights as a citizen??? So as an employee of, say, a grocery store means I can’t express my rights as a citizen because I’m a “representative” of the store?
Wow.
Actually, yes, that is the case good2go. You have a right to say as you want, but the store has the right to fire you for said statements if it hurts their brand. If you say on FB “I hate all black people.” Then the store can fire you because customers will believe the store upholds your values.
that’s not what he said at all.
Always some jerk taking some non-sequitir comparison that makes no sense.
Do you have a televised NA at your job dickhead? Quit throwing spike strips on discussions with anecdotal anomalies.
He was on the clock. That’s the difference. Was he standing in his front yard, on the street corner, at the cafe when he refused to stand? No. He was at work. So using your grocery store example, if you rolled into work and refused to attend and follow the daily team meeting ceremony, then you would have an apples-to-apples comparison. No one is saying as a private citizen he can’t express himself like an idiot. Just not while at work (you know, representing his team, league and country).
I am a reporter. I cover the local city council. I don’t stand or recite the pledge before the meetings begin. I am on the clock. My employer doesn’t have a problem with this.
1. Moral people do not abandon their principles when at work. I am unaware that NFL players are contractually bound to stand for or sing the national anthem. And even if they are, this would then merely be a breach of contract — one undertaken for a moral reason.
2. The NFL may have standing to object to what Kaepernick did as a matter of PR, but no one here does, and neither do the hordes or those ranting on Twitter.
+1
“The NFL may have standing to object to what Kaepernick did as a matter of PR, but no one here does”.
BS! I have standing! There are immense amounts of things that I despise about the USA. Progressives for one!
This is MY country! With ALL it’s faults, it is better than anywhere else.
I know our history is tainted, but so is everywhere else.
You can be for what the USA was suppose to be, or you can be a constant whiner!
No you do not. You objected that Kaepernick is a “a representative of the team and the NFL.” You are not an agent of the NFL and have no standing to object to where Kaepernick was when he chose not to sing the national anthem.
Many throughout time and history have believed theirs is the best country. That’s subjective. It is also irrelevant to Kaepernick’s choice not to sing the national anthem.
I have a feeling you are young (or have rich family and don’t work) and don’t know the way the world works yet. In the real world we live in there are many things you can’t do and things that give up your “rights as a citizen” if you want to keep your job. Becoming a police officer, firefighter, and professional athlete are just a few examples. In my city firefighters and police have to get written permission from the city to get a second job and there is a huge list of perfectly legal jobs they can’t do because they don’t represent the city well. They can’t give their opinion on anything political while on duty. They can’t say anything damaging about the city on or off duty. I could go on and on…….
“Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the National Anthem.”–Statement from NFL
“The national anthem is and always will be a special part of the pre-game ceremony. It is an opportunity to honor our country and reflect on the great liberties we are afforded as its citizens. In respecting such American principles as freedom of religion and freedom of expression, we recognize the right of an individual to choose to participate, or not, in our celebration of the national anthem.”Statement from the 49ers
Dude throughout the HISTORY OF HUMANS there has always been slaves. Not just USA but eveywhere. African tribes enslaved their own poeple and sold or tradedg them to us, its not like we just took them. The Romans had slaves. England. Egypt. The middle east. If you look anywhere in history you will find slaves. Our country has actually made some of the biggest strides to break away from slavery. Instead we should celebrate how far we’ve come, yet still recognize there is more work to be done, but to just say this is a country of prejudice and slavery does disservice to so many who have fought and still fight against such crimes, and our flag and anthem represent those great ideals. I’m not saying Kaep is un american or hates America, just that he’s misguided and could do so much else
Yes you have a good point. The real problem is he did not sit out the anthem because he felt that the USA is guilty of oppresion, that was his excuse. The reason is he is upset and his pride has been hurt. How do I know this?
Well lets look at. There are over 100 African Americans in the same game, how many stood up? All the rest. How many times has Colin give to funds that help African American underprivileged kids? 0000
So before you say he sit because he felt that USA was the problem or the anthem was the cause look at his narcissistic attitude in the past…it was about him and no one else
You mean Negroes and Negro underprivileged kids, no?
Interesting article – You seen to have done your homework – Thanks
Re that “You seen to have done your homework” – from reading the replies it would appear to me that he DIDN’T!
Thank you, I had no idea. That information is something every American should know.
it is false information.
You guys are being sheep. this guy is making this up. Francis Scott Key freed all his slaves and fought for them his entire life. Read your history and stop listening to idiots like this.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
This means exactly what it says….even the hirelings and slaves were murdered. Even if they fled they died.
Again….Key was a good man and he believed Slavery was wrong. Yes he bought and freed slaves. He had to buy them in order to free them so…he bought their freedom.