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Three of the four media outlets that received and published large numbers of secret NSA documents provided by Edward Snowden — The Guardian, the New York Times, and The Intercept –– have called for the U.S. government to allow the NSA whistleblower to return to the U.S. with no charges. That’s the normal course for a news organization, which owes its sources duties of protection, and which — by virtue of accepting the source’s materials and then publishing them — implicitly declares the source’s information to be in the public interest.
But not the Washington Post. In the face of a growing ACLU and Amnesty-led campaign to secure a pardon for Snowden, timed to this weekend’s release of the Oliver Stone biopic “Snowden,” the Post editorial page today not only argued in opposition to a pardon, but explicitly demanded that Snowden — the paper’s own source — stand trial on espionage charges or, as a “second-best solution,” accept “a measure of criminal responsibility for his excesses and the U.S. government offers a measure of leniency.”
In doing so, the Washington Post has achieved an ignominious feat in U.S. media history: the first-ever paper to explicitly editorialize for the criminal prosecution of its own source — one on whose back the paper won and eagerly accepted a Pulitzer Prize for Public Service. But even more staggering than this act of journalistic treachery against the paper’s own source are the claims made to justify it.
The Post editors concede that one — and only one — of the programs that Snowden enabled to be revealed was justifiably exposed — namely, the domestic metadata program, because it “was a stretch, if not an outright violation, of federal surveillance law, and posed risks to privacy.” Regarding the “corrective legislation” that followed its exposure, the Post acknowledges: “We owe these necessary reforms to Mr. Snowden.” But that metadata program wasn’t revealed by the Post, but rather by The Guardian.
Other than that initial Snowden revelation, the Post suggests, there was no public interest whatsoever in revealing any of the other programs. In fact, the editors say, real harm was done by their exposure. That includes PRISM, about which the Post says this:
The complication is that Mr. Snowden did more than that. He also pilfered, and leaked, information about a separate overseas NSA Internet-monitoring program, PRISM, that was both clearly legal and not clearly threatening to privacy. (It was also not permanent; the law authorizing it expires next year.)
In arguing that no public interest was served by exposing PRISM, what did the Post editors forget to mention? That the newspaper that (simultaneous with The Guardian) made the choice to expose the PRISM program by spreading its operational details and top-secret manual all over its front page is called … the Washington Post. Then, once they made the choice to do so, they explicitly heralded their exposure of the PRISM program (along with other revelations) when they asked to be awarded the Pulitzer Prize.
If the Post editorial page editors really believe that PRISM was a totally legitimate program and no public interest was served by its exposure, shouldn’t they be attacking their own paper’s news editors for having chosen to make it public, apologizing to the public for harming their security, and agitating for a return of the Pulitzer? If the Post editorial page editors had any intellectual honesty at all, this is what they would be doing — accepting institutional responsibility for what they apparently regard as a grievous error that endangered the public — rather than pretending that it was all the doing of their source as a means of advocating for his criminal prosecution.
Worse than the intellectual dishonesty of this editorial is its towering cowardice. After denouncing their own paper’s PRISM revelation, the editors proclaim: “Worse — far worse — he also leaked details of basically defensible international intelligence operations.” But what they inexcusably omit is that it was not Edward Snowden, but the top editors of the Washington Post who decided to make these programs public. Again, just look at the stories for which the Post was cited when receiving a Pulitzer Prize:
Almost every one of those stories entailed the exposure of what the Post editors today call “details of international intelligence operations.” I personally think there were very solid justifications for the Post’s decision to reveal those. As Snowden explained in the first online interview with readers I conducted, in July 2013, he was not only concerned about privacy infringement of Americans but of all human beings, because — in his words — “suspicionless surveillance does not become okay simply because it’s only victimizing 95 percent of the world instead of 100 percent. Our founders did not write that ‘We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all U.S. Persons are created equal.’”
So I support the decision of the Post back then to publish documents exposing “international intelligence operations.” That’s because I agree with what Post Executive Editor Marty Baron said in 2014, in an article in the Washington Post where they celebrated their own Pulitzer:
Post Executive Editor Martin Baron said Monday that the reporting exposed a national policy “with profound implications for American citizens’ constitutional rights” and the rights of individuals around the world (emphasis added). “Disclosing the massive expansion of the NSA’s surveillance network absolutely was a public service,” Baron said. “In constructing a surveillance system of breathtaking scope and intrusiveness, our government also sharply eroded individual privacy. All of this was done in secret, without public debate, and with clear weaknesses in oversight.”
The editorial page is separate from the news organization and does not speak for the latter; I seriously doubt the journalists or editors at the Post who worked on these news stories would agree with any of that editorial. But still, if the Post editorial page editors now want to denounce these revelations, and even call for the imprisonment of their paper’s own source on this ground, then they should at least have the courage to acknowledge that it was the Washington Post — not Edward Snowden — who made the editorial and institutional choice to expose those programs to the public. They might want to denounce their own paper and even possibly call for its prosecution for revealing top-secret programs they now are bizarrely claiming should never have been revealed to the public in the first place.
But this highlights a chronic cowardice that often arises when establishment figures want to denounce Snowden. As has been amply documented, and as all newspapers involved in this reporting (including the Post) have made clear, Snowden himself played no role in deciding which of these programs would be exposed (beyond providing the materials to newspapers in the first place). He did not trust himself to make those journalistic determinations, and so he left it to the newspapers to decide which revelations would and would not serve the public interest. If a program ended up being revealed, one can argue that Snowden bears some responsibility (because he provided the documents in the first place), but the ultimate responsibility lies with the editors of the paper that made the choice to reveal it, presumably because they concluded that the public interest was served by doing so.
Yet over and over, Snowden critics — such as Slate’s Fred Kaplan and today’s Post editorial — omit this crucial fact, and are thus profoundly misleading. In attacking Snowden this week, for instance, Kaplan again makes the same point he has made over and over: that Snowden’s revelations extended beyond privacy infringements of Americans.
Leave aside the narcissistic and jingoistic view that whistleblowers and media outlets should only care about privacy infringements of American citizens, but not the 95 percent of the rest of the planet called “non-Americans.” And let’s also set to the side the fact that many of the most celebrated news stories in U.S. media history were devoted to revealing secret foreign operations that had nothing to do with infringing the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens (such as the Pentagon Papers, Abu Ghraib, and the Post’s revelations of CIA black sites).
What’s critical here is that Kaplan’s list of Bad Snowden Revelations (just like the Post’s) invariably involves stories published not by Snowden (or even by The Intercept or The Guardian), but by the New York Times and the Washington Post. But like the Post editorial page editors, Kaplan is too much of a coward to accuse the nation’s top editors at those two papers of treason, helping terrorists, or endangering national security, so he pretends that it was Snowden, and Snowden alone, who made the choice to reveal these programs to the public. If Kaplan and the Post editors truly believe that all of these stories ought to have remained secret and have endangered people’s safety, why are they not attacking the editors and newspapers that made the ultimate decision to expose them? Snowden himself never publicly disclosed a single document, so any programs that were revealed were the ultimate doing of news organizations.
Whatever else may be true, one’s loyalty to U.S. government officials has to be slavish in the extreme in order to consider oneself a journalist while simultaneously advocating the criminalization of transparency, leaks, sources, and public debates. But that’s not new: There has long been in the U.S. a large group that ought to call itself U.S. Journalists Against Transparency: journalists whose loyalty lies far more with the U.S. government than with the ostensible objectives of their own profession, and thus routinely take the side of those keeping official secrets rather than those who reveal them, even to the point of wanting to see sources imprisoned.
But what makes today’s Washington Post editorial so remarkable, such a tour de force, is that the editors are literally calling for the criminal prosecution of one of the most important sources in their own newspaper’s history. Having basked in the glory of awards and accolades, and benefited from untold millions of clicks, the editorial page editors of the Post now want to see the source who enabled all of that be put in an American cage and branded a felon. That is warped beyond anything that can be described.
Top photo: The headquarters for The Washington Post newspaper is seen in Washington on Dec. 24, 2015.
Yes! The yes men strike again, getting it succinctly, irresponsibly and unethically right.
// __ Edward Snowden and The Yes Men surprise crowd at Roskilde Festival
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You hear Snowden say that “law is not substitute for consciousness”
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but what I would like to hear is exactly how morality is a club membership thing that could be understood as gentlemen agreements (while “ethically” redacting the NSA leaks). Imaging all those “patriot”s’ names out there in the open. That is the kind of “‘his’ country” that he will be able to come back.
The only way I would see him back in “‘his’ country” is if we face reality as first step towards changing it.
RCL
Snowden should stay in country and take responsibility for his deeds. For Snowden only legal path is trial, punishment and … pardon. Civil disobedience is connected with consequences and he should not go to Russia with smile (it’s no patriotic)
I agree wholeheartedly.
I don’t see what the big deal is about this supposed “controversy.” Newspapers are not obligated to defend sources or to help them evade the law. Also, the news and editorial sides of a paper have two very different roles.
Again, the editorial did NOT call for the jailing of Snowden; it simply opposes pardoning him in advance of a trial. What’s so controversial about that?
For example, if the Post publishes documents provided by, say, the DNC hacker, is it automatically obligated to campaign for the hacker’s clemency? I don’t think so.
Thank you for all you have done in the interest of keeping democracy alive and championing Edward Snowden. He is truly a hero and should be welcomed back by President Obama and pardoned for his service. Anyone who disagrees is clearly “brainwashedm”:blind to the realities of our plutocratic empire and incapable of critical thinking.
Aloha,
Temple.
If you’re cracking down on crime, who is more of a priority for arrest: A burglar, or someone who buys the stolen items on craigslist?
Snowden is the burglar and should not be given amnesty. WaPo bought the stolen goods on craigslist, but the stolen goods would have been much more dangerous in the hands of another buyer. For example, it’s better for an upstanding gun expert to buy a stolen AK-47 off the internet than some criminal.
Note: I realize this comment may come across as satire. It is not. I AM 100% SERIOUS.
You look so handsome in that lovely Brown Shirt.
I think you misunderstood the essential point, that the editorial does not follow through on its own logic. If Snowden is to blame for the revelation of secret documents, by providing them, is not the Washington Post equally to blame for exposing them to the public? After all, they didn’t have to do that, they chose it. The division of blame is another issue, but needless to say both parts played a major role in revealing state secrets.
Regarding your “burglar & craigslist” metaphor: if Walmart bought stolen goods from a gang of burglars and systematically sold them at their stores, would that not make the crime on the part of Walmart more grave, considering their stature and role in society? Washington Post is not just some anonymous dude in front of a computer. Publishers do have responsibility for what they publish.
Your analogy only makes sense if the buyer resells those goods for an obscene profit, receives some kind of major award for achievement in retail, and then goes on to use said power and position to condemn the thief who sold them those goods originally.
Well written. No one really wants to know or let, the truth be known.
I don’t really see what the big deal is about the WP editorial in question. A newspaper editorial page is not obligated to defend a source just because it won a Pulitzer based on the source’s criminal actions.
I wonder how many people actually bothered to read the whole thing through. The editorial does NOT call for the jailing of Snowden, nor is it criticizing the news side of the paper. It opposes PARDONING Snowden before any kind of trial even takes place.
Currently, Snowden is, according to the law, a fugitive from justice in Russia. Russia is not exactly an American ally. The WP editorial is simply arguing that Snowden should come home and stand trial, as well as accept the POSSIBILITY of prison.
Greenwald is not really complaining about the Post’s favoring of accountability for Snowden. He’s complaining that the Post did not change its EDITORIAL stance to favor the source of the NEWS SIDE after the Post won a Pulitzer. Because, you know, that would be totally above board.
Another fun fact: The Post did get some of its early Snowden stories wrong (such as the assertion that NSA had “direct access”) to the servers of Internet companies. And a large chunk of the Post’s other stories on Snowden dealt with the (perfectly legitimate) foreign-intelligence operations he leaked.
Again, please keep in mind the difference between a newspaper’s NEWS side and its EDITORIAL side. Nor is a newspaper obligated to advocate for the legal interests of its sources.
Duh.
Russia faces the same enemy as US,radical terrorism.
We should be allies,but the terrorist supporters,Obomba,the Hell bitch,Kerry,the Saudis and the Israelis won’t make nice.
I hope Trump reveals this tonight,the american people need a wakeup call,but the serial lying MSM have no plans for the sleepers to awaken.
Excellent exposé and article Glenn.
As a lifelong passionate IT (and cybersecurity) professional, I’ve been following the Snowden story with massive interest and this writeup is just mindboggling.
Thanks
Rob
The most common argument used against the idea that Snowden is not a hero is that he did not limit his disclosures to programs that raised legitimate Fourth Amendment concerns (i.e. PRISM) Greenwald, in this article, replies withe the following debater’s point:
Snowden is innocent of any such offense since he did not directly disclose anything to the public. He gave the documents to the press, and thus any leaks that disclose these legitimate foreign-intelligence programs—-and any damage they may cause—is all the fault of the newspaper. The above article states that the Post’s editorial is hypocritical due to the “million of clicks” the WP got from the Snowden stories.
This line of argument is rather interesting. It implies that Snowden was not a whistleblower at all, since HE HIMSELF did not blow any whistles; the journalists who received the documents did.
Interesting. So according to Greenwald, Snowden is not responsible for his own actions or any potential consequences. The media, in responding to the Snowden leaks, could have done at least two things:
1) Leak all of them at once without considering the possible consequences to Western foreign-intelligence operations (which the vast majority of the documents describe)
2) Vet the documents and decide which ones are actually in the public’s interest to know (i.e. PRISM)
Funny. What did Snowden and Greenwald expect to happen?
Well done Glenn. If only we had more people like you in the world.
Excellent article.
I have a growing sense that the general public floats along in a Bullshit Bubble: A silly protective membrane of the stories “They” want us to hear. They are insulated from the many unpalatable truths that are available to readers of The Intercept and other outlets that take effort and intellect to seek out.
I say that here because unfortunately that large Bullshit Bubble includes the Post’s Snowden Condemnation, but it will not include this article. And 90% of those who exist within said BS Bubble will not or cannot exercise reason to identify the Post’s contradiction themselves, because OH look! Something shiny! Brangelina are divorcing!!
Is there a problem with the “Reply” option?
Daniel Ellsberg, who was in the most inner circles of political power in those times, was not a bit “ethical” when he exposed the manipulations and outright lies of 4 U.S. administrations (Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson) in the Pentagon Papers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers
In fact, he was considered “the most dangerous man in America” yet his truly courageous exposure was instrumental in not only putting an end to the Vietnam War, but also of Richard Nixon’s presidency (who was almost impeached). Again Ellsberg didn’t “‘ethically’ redact” any of those papers and as a consequence many high ranking officials and their acolytes saw their pants on fire big time in very concrete, prosecutable ways.
I don’t think that politicians nowadays are any less corrupt, unmoral or militaristic than they used to be in those times. What do you think would happen if Glenn Greenwald/TheIntercept would have “ethically” handled the Pentagon Papers?
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Those college kids were paying attention, they were even taking notes! Only a very few were protesting the yes men’s preposterously b#llsh!tting comments, but they couldn’t even realize it was a prank, which speaks tones about the WTO.
One of the aspects I thoroughly love about the Yes Men with their incredibly preposterous stunts is that while exposing all those b#llsh!tting politicians and “respectable” corporations and world leaders, they not only show the world at large, but also to the individuals in those institutions and organizations how deep into their rear ends they have their minds stuck, yet, they still get out their punch line straight and to the point without being “ethical”, “responsible”, careful about “innocence”, …
TYM: “The reality is that we already treat people in the 3rd World far worse than we treat our domestic animals … I am not saying it is right. I am just saying it is the reality”
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// __ Democracy Now!: Posing as U.S. Officials, Yes Men Announce Renewable Energy Revolution at Homeland Security Congress
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RCL
Actually Ellsberg did, very ethically indeed, “redact” The Pentagon Papers just a bit. He with his son and daughter made copies of every single page just cutting off the “Top secret” header and footer and à la wikileaks put all of it in the public domain
RCL
The institutional media are an institution in decline. I think a large faction in the industry are aspiring to “state media” status, like the BBC in England, with formal subsidies and protection against competition. To that end they’re trying to demonstrate how useful they could be, by competing in who can be the most slavishly subservient.
But it’s not loyalty to “the government” only to the Democratic party when in power. These papers have no particular interest in serving Republican administrations.
The bastard media totally backed the shrub in Iraq,over 9-11,at his election,at his total incapacity to get one thing right in his whole War of Terror,and they even disparaged Kerry,as an indecisive windsurfer in the second election even ,after all the catastrophic years of his abysmal reign as POTUS.
Remember the Road Map?;There you go.The Road Map;Hahahahahahah……..
Who bends the most for zion gets the most best press,which is why he gets no good press,despite illiberal hysterical denial.
At least you seem to have learned to say “straw man argument”, but this is not exactly the place to get language comprehension classes.
Ah! Mona Holland making claims of rationality! Now she is talking about “my lack of empathy”.
Again, it is not even “my lack of empathy” what matters here, but “empathy” towards the people who have been and are routinely killed based on “innocent” “pattern recognition”, towards the people whose countries have been freedom-lovingly destroyed by USG and their allies, which your idol/theIntercept “ethically” protect, towards the people who now try to seek just a way to live in another country (after their has been freedom-lovingly bombed) who now face a “no, niggah, no!” reaction when they show up in the same countries who have been bombing theirs.
Actually I am not the one who brought Miranda into this discussion, I was just answering someone else’s question, but I do remember Glenn was fuming in ire. That piece of news reached me because Western MSM was outraged at Glenn’s outright threats: “Now, I will stop my jogo bello stance, you will see …”
Mona, I do respect Glenn’s intellect and sense of morality, even though I don’t agree with the way he has chosen to handle things (it seems it is not only me, people from a spectrum covering from, from John Oliver to Julian Assange have criticized him on the same counts). I do have my doubts however when I wonder how could he have a friend like you (in case that is true). Anyway, given the options, these are the people I would have more empathy towards:
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Now, your idol has been “ethically” protecting the agents provoking those very unfortunate incidents. Oh, yeah! “They are dying for freedom as they should” as Western MSM would put it.
I am not trying to match “your hero”, nor am I trying to “school” anyone. I am just noticing your hero gets entangled in his own language usage, but I will repeat it again and let you check out by yourself what I mean.
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// __ Government Surveillance: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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// __ Inside The Panama Papers: Dirty Little Secrets
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Now imagine, those journalists and social activists would “ethically” redact the Panama Papers and start Aesopically pontificating in abstract terms about morality, ethics with no teeth whatsoever à la Glenn Greenwald/TheIntercept. Do you think anything could have happened? Again,
Hmm! Yes, it is from 64 to 116 the number of angels who can dance in the pin of a needle, Obama said:
// __ Obama Administration Finally Releases Its Dubious Drone Death Toll
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Harm? To whom? There is lots of harm being done out there. TheIntercept routinely, “ethically” (they say) protect the perpetrators, by redacting their names and any other identifying info.
Redacted, Aesopic, abstract talk with no teeth whatsoever, neither provokes, nor helps conditioning any change. Again tell us about one single effing concrete thing TheIntercept has achieved so far! Just 1 (one)!!!
Oh, I see it is all due to my lack of comprehension. Thank you! Everything is or should be fine and dandy! Don’t worry, be happy …
Great Lord! You have actually effing seen this site referenced in a mainstream media outlet once?!?!?
Oh, thank you Lord for listening to my prayers! Now I know I will die a happy believer, especially since I know that the chains of causality that “will“ result from TheIntercept’s reporting one day. They say God works in mysterious ways! I have always been grateful and hopeful for the us having a God!
RCL
You do deserve something for making it clear that your intellectual forefathers are the Nazi propagandists that you made reference to earlier. I am not sure what you deserve – I will let nature decide that for you.
Thank you Glenn for your response,
WP’newsroom should release as well a statement in the very first page if they want to keep their journalistic integrity and credibilitity.
Are Bardon Gellman’s answers enough to restaure trust on them (twitter)? And all the work done for 3 years by the jornalist teams, awarded by the Pulize price, disregarded by the edito!
My pal Barry Eisler, the former CIA covert employee and successful thriller writer, has weighed in on the Snowden movie. (I’ve been one of Barry’s manuscript readers.) Here’s what he wrote at BoingBoing: Oliver Stone’s “Snowden” is great entertainment and an important argument for pardon:
Agreed. Quinto got Glenn down extremely well.
Mr. Greenwald,
There is an enormous gulf between us, in terms of opinion on most matters. But I have to say, I deeply appreciate the presence of The Intercept, and this editorial represents precisely why. No other major news outlet would allow such a criticism, even of its very competitors. Would we see such a criticism in the New York Times? In the Wall Street Journal? In the Guardian? I think not. Even though those papers have all supported leniency for Snowden, none of them would dare question WaPo publicly. Thank you, for this.
HEROICALLY, Edward Snowden intervened in a crime, on behalf of hundreds of millions of innocent Americans who were being victimized.
Because Mr. Snowden has done no wrong – and in fact has done enormous good – the Washington Post can’t be said to have successfully been complicit in espionage.
However, its position on this subject, has exposed the (now undeniable) fact that the Washington Post’s INTENT was criminal, and that the only reason it failed in its attempt to be complicit in what it imagined was espionage, is because Snowden acted with great care and responsibility.
Edward Snowden is not only entirely innocent of any crime, but he is also a man to whom hundreds of millions of Americans owe their thanks.
The Washington Post’s editors, on the other hand, have now publicly exposed the fact that THEIR INTENT WAS criminal. WP editors have publicly admitted that they intended to commit espionage, and that they are under the moronic impression that they succeeded.
That vomitous rag’s back-stabbing call to prosecute its own source doesn’t change the fact that Edward Snowden is entirely innocent, but it DOES serve as a public admission that the Washington Post’s editors were acting with criminal intent.
The charges against Snowden are false, malicious, and defamatory, but the editors of the Washington Post – based solely on their own admissions – SHOULD be charged with ATTEMPTED espionage.
Shame on them.
What do you expect from the American Media? This is what Carl Bernstein said about the US Media.
http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
After you read his article you will understand why the Washington Propaganda Post is asking to prosecute Snowden. They are not better than street criminals. The US Free Press is a fairy tale for simple minded people.
Juan Cole in The Nation: ? Oliver Stone’s ‘Snowden’ Is a Horror Movie—and the Monster Is Our National Security State.
Both Republican and Democratic administrations have played a role in creating the Global Surveillance Apparatus. Now they’re all afraid a POTUS Trump will have access to the monster they’ve created.Assholes.
Laughable the WaPo and NYT criticize Wikileaks and the Russians for taking a hand in getting the election. The US MSM has been taking sides in elections for decades. Time they get their comeuppance.
If I owned a mass circulation paper, I’d be embarrassed to be lining up next to Kim Jong Un, opposite Amnesty International in an argument like this. But according to the Washington Post, Amnesty international is wasting its time with this “overseas privacy” hokum.
Amnesty International has a good rebuttal to the Washington Post.
Hypocracy and disappointment regarding the Editors of WaPo.
Wish they could remember about how, as the 4th estate, they ought to be challenging the new “truthiness” that we now have to endure.
Who do they now think that they serve?
Can they not challenge the ridiculous pap coming out of the mouths of the presidential candidates?
I despair for democracy
I was scanning some of the comments below the Washington post “editorial board” editorial.
Of the comments approving of the editorial:
“He’s a traitor”, “he violated a sacred vow”, “bring him home so a mob can tear him apart”
A lot of emotion there. Not much reason.
I was thinking how very appropriate it is that Snowden’s facing the US “espionage act”. Why? That law was created and used against opponents of the first world war, “the great war”. The great war consisted of the aristocracy sending the poor out to dig trenches, and over the course of years climb out of the trenches and walk towards the opposing machine guns. The war killed off an entire generation of men, and it was all for nothing. This was called “being patriotic”, “being loyal”, “being a hero”
Ordinary human beings, through a sense of self-preservation and rationality, balked at throwing their lives away, en masse. Soldiers who didn’t want to die for nothing were executed on the spot. Officers who ordered their units to die for nothing, were killed by their own soldiers.
And on the home front, laws were passed to criminalize dissent. One such law was the US “espionage act”.
The US government used it against several political opponents….socialists, labour leaders, minority rights activists etc. It was used against those who spoke up, at great peril to themselves, and argued the cause of the the majority of Americans who weren’t rich and powerful, the workers, the minorities.
The war wasn’t in most Americans’ interest, it could not be rationally defended, so…..it wasn’t. Instead, the “espionage act” removed the political opposition to the deaths of millions.
…fast forward to now, and once again, is the “espionage act” used against spies? (as the name would suggest) No. It’s used against political opponents.
There’s a very good reason there’s no public interest defence in the US “espionage act”. Americans charged under the act could have successfully argued that what they had done was in the public interest. As Snowden could do, if it were allowed by the government.
Which is why all the support for the tycoons owning America’s corporate press can be summed up as: “He’s a traitor…He broke his sacred vow….He should be executed.”
No reason, only anger. Anger at the Hun, the commies, the ragheads. The anger is real. Bezos knows it, Clinton knows it, Trump knows it. They sure as hell don’t want it directed at them.
YOU SAID: >>> Which is why all the support for the tycoons owning America’s corporate press can be summed up as: “He’s a traitor…He broke his sacred vow….He should be executed.”
No reason, only anger. Anger at the Hun, the commies, the ragheads. The anger is real. Bezos knows it, Clinton knows it, Trump knows it. They sure as hell don’t want it directed at them.<<<
CORRECT. War is a Rich Man's Game.
THE ULTIMATE QUESTION: Which One(s)???
Ask yourself: Who would really risk attack upon the US Pentagon and/or the WTCs??? (What corporate enemy would wish for US nukes to rain down on their own heads. That was the "downside" to the incident. So, who would risk that? )
The answer PART 1: Declassified Kissinger State Department Cables, 1973.
The answer PART 2: Who would be afraid of getting caught? Who has the 'power' to build the Orwellian 1984????
Critical Thinking yields the answers pretty quick.
Margaret Sullivan thumbs her nose at the Editorial Board. Good for her:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/as-a-source–and-a-patriot–edward-snowden-deserves-a-presidential-pardon/2016/09/19/dcb3e3f6-7e9c-11e6-8d0c-fb6c00c90481_story.html
Yup. Brava!
How many times did she thumb her nose at the lying times?Enough to be told to move on to a worse publication,Wapo,which of course listens intently as the editors at the lying times.sheesh.
Kabuki theater.
88 senators say no impetus to Israel to evacuate Occupied Territories.E.Warren first among them.sheesh,again.
When dreamboats turn out to be footnotes.
Washington Post is not the only corporate paper this week to put out an anonymous “editorial board” article from the owners.
What does the Tribune hang their assertions on, other than the curiously timed and hilarious congressional report, which has been mocked and torn apart here and elsewhere? Not much. Nothing actually.
I also like the way the Chicago Tribune mixes in a film review into their demand that Snowden go to jail: “Two thumbs down”.
And of course the title of the anonymous editorial includes the Russian word “Nyet”, a subtle hint as to the level of sophistication the lucky Chicago Tribune readers have in store for them.
Anybody still wondering whether these sections are just a comedy show?
This is Mona ( one of Greenwald’s lapdog)
-Mona-
Aug. 22 2014, 2:48 a.m.
“100% agree, Glenn, and well said. Don’t watch the video; don’t ban it, either.”
Supporting Greenwald who disagreed with Twitter banning James Foley’s beheading video. Not a single thought about what the family’s had to go through seeing Foley being murdered on video.
This is Mona again complaining about the “lack of empathy ” from a commenter regarding the detention of David Miranda who REFUSED legal advice and water:
“It was deeply terrifying for both David and Glenn. Your lack of empathy is even more revolting than your irrationality.”
The laws and the procedures were followed during Miranda detention.
It took me five minutes to get that nonsense. As I stated again, at least the comedy show is for free. They call Obama a murderer who run a terrorist state then they are begging that murderer to pardon Snowden so he can come back to the terrorist state. Enjoy the show!
This “Mani” account is an angry troll whom I rarely substantively engage. Any person whom I deem to be asking in good faith who thinks any of his spewings raise an issue they’d like me to answer should ask. But Mani I shall continue to mostly ignore.
To those of us who actually prefer a wide range of opinion, your criticism of Mani is a ringing endorsement. Where I might have just passed his comments by, I will now read them to see what it is that he says that can so anger a narcissistic sociopath like yourself…
It is amazing that the very people who feel compelled to chronically stand up on their soap box and so vehemently sing the praises of dissenting opinion in service to their own ego, are the very same schmucks who cannot tolerate non-conformity to their own rabid orthodoxy.
Yet another wingnut troll heard from; of course you two should get along famously. You also make innumerable errors of fact and logic.
Wow, a three minute (soft boiled) response, I must have really hit emotional pay dirt! Beyond your obvious levels of distress caused by my purported “innumerable errors of fact and logic”, you seem genuinely annoyed that your latest campaign of DDDD (denial, disruption, degradation, and decept) is not working against Mani. And here I was thinking that Mani might simply be just another one of your Punch and Judy troupe of sock puppets. Time will tell.
Make up your mind. Which one is he? Somebody who is always laughing with LOL LOL that you find annoying, somebody YOU KNOW who wants to hurt you in real life, or just an angry troll?
So far that Mani is being doing a great job in exposing your lies, ignorance, dishonesty; and frankly you passed the level of being a lapdog. That is an understatement. You have no empathy for a family who has to endure the fact that a video of a human being being executed is available for the public, but quickly talking empathy for Miranda and Greenwald because he was detained (and provided his rights under the law.)
irrelevant troll?
I saw a Politico tweet this morning; George H W Bush will vote Hillary.
I hate the old bastard for making me even consider voting for Trump.
I’m really REALLY beginning to want Hillary to lose.
And now for something that makes me smile:
Dr. Stein would give pardoned whistleblowers a place in her administration.
Can you picture Michele Obomba with her arm around the shrub?
I couldn’t either,until I saw the picture at the Graun.
The game is about to be upended in a Trump tantrum.Yee haw.
Juan Cole,hahahahahahahahaha………. a lickspittles hero.
I believe, we are so lucky to have a few remaining brilliant & courageous reporters with integrity, like Glenn Greenwald who have not been bought and paid for into protecting the establishments. Glenn has been putting his and his partner’s life in danger to tell us the truth. Since all MSM including Washington Post, have been bought & paid for by the establishments & work exclusively for the corrupt 1%; It is extremely hard to find any factual information & MSM constantly shoving their propaganda lies down our throats. I would call Chris Hedges, Matt Taibbi , Glenn Greenwald & Amy Goodman our media treasures who shine the lights on fact-based news which, otherwise we would be at the mercy of the 1% criminal oligarchy who in collusion with their corrupt MSM have been trying to keep us in dark. I love Glenn and am so grateful for his service. I left a nasty message for WAPO, after unsubscribing their twice daily emails and stated the reason as “their unspeakable editorial against Mr. Snowden”. I don’t know if MSM are actually aware of their sinking viewers & the fact that other than older generation who have no internet knowledge, nobody believes their brainwashing propaganda’s. It is sickening & disheartening to insult people’s intelligence by treating and trying to herd them as sheep. By the way Snowden movie is excellent & informative, and it is a must see for all.
How are those sock puppets working out or you?
I believe, we are so lucky to have a few remaining brilliant & courageous reporters with integrity, like Glenn Greenwald who have not been bought and paid for into protecting the establishments. Glenn has been putting his and his partner’s life in danger to tell us the truth. Since all MSM including Washington Post, have been bought & paid for by the establishments & work exclusively for the corrupt 1%; It is extremely hard to find any factual information without MSM shoving their propaganda lies down our throats. I would call Chris Hedges, Matt Taibbi , Glenn Greenwald, & Amy Goodman our media treasures who shine the lights on fact-based news which, otherwise we’ll be at the mercy of the 1% criminal oligarchy who in collusion with their corrupt MSM have been trying to keep us in dark. I love Glenn and am so grateful for his service. I left a nasty message for WAPO, after unsubscribing their twice daily emails and stated the reason; “their unspeakable editorial against Mr. Snowden”. I don’t know if MSM are actually aware of their sinking viewers & the fact that other than older generation who have no internet knowledge, nobody believes their brainwashing tactics. It is sickening & disheartening to see MSM insulting people’s intelligence by treating and trying to herd them as sheep. By the way Snowden movie is excellent & informative, and it is a must see for all.
There is only one answer to such blatant hypocrisy …. Boycott the Washington Post.
Unbelievable….America that people look to for tolerance and democracy is dead along with all of the Western nations that are running out of steam. Those in power always unleash fascism and war when they are losing power. that is where the world is now.
I’m curious: Any opinion on whether or not Jeff Bezos have any role in this editorial?
@Capn Canard –
Sorry I could not reply directly to you; I tried and tried to reply but that reply “button” or whatever with your post wasn’t working. I think the site is having problems… please tech folks look into it. When I clicked on this story the first time, it didn’t go there. Tried refreshing or something and finally got it. This happened the first time I visited here (around 10 – 11 pm Mon, and again now.
Now back to Capn Canard. –
Oh boy, you have some points. And folks are still sleeping! Early Mon. morning I called WaPo to tell them I thought this editorial was a BAD idea. Talked to a lady, nice enough, didn’t say much, but did listen patiently. Not quite as nice and interactive as a Becca I had talked to before (but I wouldn’t have gotten to call back after she arrived). But having had one or two negative experiences leaving feedback at companies, WaPo rates ok in that regard, I guess.
It’s a shame that when we need the Press to really stand firm, WaPo would do this.
So WaPo pushing for prosecution. Could they be charged with complicity to what they consider a crime?
No. And they shouldn’t be.
See New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713 (1971).
I suggest reading the concurring opinions.
On the other hand, the WaPo definitely should be mocked, scorned and excoriated for the contemptible action of its editorial board. Extra points if someone pies Jeff Bezos (cuz you just know that scuzzy creep has his hand in this, somehow).
Well, really, it’s an undecided point of law, whether journalists can be prosecuted for publishing classified information. NYT v. Sullivanisn’t on point — it concerns defamation and gave us the higher bar for “public figures” who can’t prevail without showing “actual malice,” i.e., that the journalist acted with knowledge that their claims are false or in reckless disregard of their truth or falsity.
However, it’s a tradition in the Department of Justice not to go after journalists — altho they could. Basically, neither the DoJ nor journos have wanted to litigate this question for fear of the result.
That’s why Glenn didn’t come to the U.S. for almost a year after publishing the first Snowden stories. Obama’s aggression with whistleblowers and the rage at the disclosures c/would have tempted the DoJ to finally try it. They refused to give his lawyers assurances that they would not.
Different cases, Mona. NYT v. US is the Pentagon Papers case.
That case is on point but, as you say, even that one doesn’t, quite, settle the issue. It would take some gall and big balls to attempt to prosecute journalists for publication in the wake of the Pentagon Papers case and long tradition but, hey! — the decision was only 6-3 and I think there were four or five opinions written by the majority, so an especially vindictive president and A.G. could try. . .
Your reply to Kathleen said this:
I have no idea why I read that as U.S. v. Sullivan, but I did. The Pentagon Papers case, as we agree, did not settle whether journalists may be prosecuted. the Nixon administration had sought a restraining order prohibiting NYT from publishing the Papers; the High Court rule against prior restraint.
Justice Stewart, in his concurring Opinion, wrote:
The Pentagon Papers case settled the prior restraint issue, but not the applicability of criminal penalties to newspapers and journalists.
Yup, we agree.
But note that Nixon & Co. were, at least conceivably, free to pursue charges under the Espionage Act post publication, but did not. Nor has any A.G. since been bold enough to try to bring a similar case against journalists or publishers.
I rather think (and I’ll bet you do, too) that the arguments in the Black, Douglas, Stewart and White opinions, and the extent to which they have informed subsequent case law, have everything to do with those facts.
Unfortunately, jurists of their calibre aren’t on the High Court any longer. It’s now got a stronger authoritarian tilt. That’s why Glenn was rationally concerned that Obama might try to prosecute him — but apparently the DoJ is still reluctant to test the issue.
Understatement of the day, so far. ;^(
Mona hits the mark!
Yes,the justices today are shite.Ginsburg,Roberts and Kennedy leap to mind,with Thomas an afterthought.
Great piece Glenn. In a word, ‘Priceless’!
Mudbone-
Welcome to TI and thanks for the response to my comment below, where the reply function isn’t working for some reason…
… it’s not unusual for me to want to edit my comments… we can’t…
… but, that last bit… thems fightin words.
A
As reported by himself, Miranda was just detained for a few hours in Heathrow airport (they seem to have just given him some silly verbal threatening sh!t). Glenn went berserk. I would have gone also if they had detained my wife/lover or children, but neither I myself, nor most people would consider that to be heroic to any extent, not even too much to endure to begin with.
In the same way that Snowden understood there was a “greater good” than “the crime” he was committing, Glenn and you could understand my point, which I will repeat to you:
If you “shit on your sources” or not (whatever the case may be) those are just gentlemen agreements, the overriding issue here is that U.S. politicians and their acolytes have been morally corrupted to the point of 8 timing the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII, “legally” selling their governments outrightly to economic abominations such as TPP, doing away with privacy, …
What do you think smart guy?
No, I didn’t. Mona would have let me know right away ;-)
My neat and simple related questions to Glenn are, who are you to be pontificating about morality to us mere mortals? Just (self-servingly indeed) considering yourself an “ethical journalist” for choosing to protect US officials that would see their @ss sought after in international criminal courts does give you that status?
Glenn, for example, uses the term “innocence” in a homely, self-serving way while considering U.S. officials implicated in torture* and mass murder. To me the “innocence” that matters in this context is that of the people being murdered for no reason whatsoever, or wait, for the mere reason of “fitting a pattern” … and Mathematics certainly is “innocent”. Don’t you think? …
[*] USG is not a signatory of international agreements against torture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture
I could imagine lawyers and “ethical journalists” saying that it is therefore illegal to indict, let alone prosecute U.S. officials implicated in torture and murder, so why even seeing it as a moral, civil problem?
I keep asking the same question. Why is it that just two comedians (The Yes men) have managed to make the most corrupt institutions in the U.S. change their policies in important ways and have mercilessly exposed big corporations largely losing their valuation in the stock market and put high ranking government officials behind bars, while all Glenn Greenwald/TheIntercept sitting on the largest leak ever in history have done is talk about this and talk about that with their tut-tut reporting, achieving “zero comma nada” in concrete terms.
Do you really believe you do change anything in reality or in people’s minds by just talking?
Maybe lawyers and “ethical journalists” think that way. To me the only reason for me to talk about anything, anyone is to achieve something concrete.
RCL
I am not sure if I misunderstand you, but it sure seems like you are indirectly defending inhumane and unethical behavior through a straw man argument.
Here is your defense of the indefensible in simple language:
Detaining people without a cause is okay because it was not “too much to endure”, and behaving unethically is okay once it is put in the context of Nazis, and torture is okay because the US did not sign a piece of paper. And, writing about this is useless because it does not achieve anything.
Is this it?!
Look, you are not a rational person. You believe these people and support their claims, and imply you think you are one yourself. As a result I’ve largely begun ignoring you, which is all my failure to correct your inanity means, nothing more.
That’s as rational as your other beliefs. David Miranda was detained for 9 hours pursuant to a terrorism statute which could have resulted in his being arrested on terrorism charges. It didn’t result in that, in all likelihood only because Glenn got the Brazilian government involved, as well as the Guardian’s lawyers. (Whom Miranda was not allowed to see until the last hour of the nine.)
It was deeply terrifying for both David and Glenn. Your lack of empathy is even more revolting than your irrationality.
I’d prefer to revert to ignoring you. Please stop involving me.
And these individuals: http://www.fightgangstalking.com
Yes, these (preponderantly) mentally ill people I referenced usually believe they suffer from that. At least two have gone on murder sprees. They also behave aggressively and menacingly to noted people who do public speaking on whistleblowing/national security; they object to the speakers’ failure to ratify their paranoid beliefs — security has sometimes had to be called.
“To detain my partner for a full nine hours while DENYING HIM A LAWYER..is clearly intended to send a message of intimidation” Greenwald, Aug 19, 2013 The Guardian
“(Whom Miranda was not allowed to see until the last hour of the nine.)” Mona
Interview with Buzzfeed Nov 15, 2013
Miranda asked if he could have a lawyer. The agents told him yes he could speak to a lawyer. Miranda lied and told the agents that his lawyer ( Glenn Greenwald) practices law in the UK. After the agents found out that Greenwald does not practice law in the UK, they told him the lawyer must practice law in the UK and offered Miranda a list of attoneys he could speak to. Miranda REFUSED he told the agents:” No, because I did not trust their chosen lawyers or their phones.”
UK Terrorism Act 2000
Schedule 8 Part I Paragraph 7 (1)
“…A person detained under Schedule 7 or section 41 …shall be entitled, if he so requests, to consult a solicitor as soon as is reasonably practicable, privately and at any time.”
Schedule 8 Part I Paragraph 8
“…an officer of at least the rank of superintendent may authorize a delay in
permitting a detained person to consult a solicitor under paragraph 7″
“Your lack of empathy is even more revolting than your irrationality”
Since you are concerned about empathy maybe you can tell us about Greenwald’s reaction when Twitter banned the video of reporter James Foley beheading. Your empathy for Foley’s family probably caused you to be enraged at Greenwald as he laments Twitter’s decision. Did it? Or being a dedicated lapdog means you can only have empathy for your master?
the tinnitus subsides a bit if you avoid looking in mirrors for a few weeks
>>the only reason for me to talk about anything, anyone is to achieve something concrete<<
And just tell us how you as a individual preconceive how to achieve "something concrete". What you are doing is obvious. You are after the fact defining what is concrete and declaring Glenn has not met your personal standard. I personally think Glenn is a hero in this and has achieved success. But please school us peasants on what success means by telling us how your contributions to society have been so much superior.
I don’t normally reply to comments in the comments section that often (usually because the community tends to correct itself); but, in spite of the fact that it has, I’ll make an exception here – the last few paragraphs of your rambling and near incoherent post seem, in and of itself, self-serving, in that you use the device of condescending self-aggrandizement to destructively attack (futilely, I might add), ad hominem, Glenn Greenwald, using assumptive Kantian logic. It is exactly this judgemental narcissism on the part of people like yourself, that ultimately gets in the way of discussing the very issues that matter. I can only wonder what YOUR own intentions are, and what ends you are trying to reach, because inherently, I sense a great deal of hypocrisy in your post.
“Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.”
– Eleanor Roosevelt
For the record, Glenn Greenwald’s reporting, and the reporting of others here at The Intercept, has done a great deal of public good, just as Snowden’s leaks to the press has. You probably wouldn’t know it, of course, if you subscribe to the tenets of the mainstream media, but the staff at The Intercept has made a considerable impact on how many people, such as myself, view the world, with reporting that for the most part stands out above the rest. Granted, it’ll never be perfect (mistakes and mischaracterizations are bound to happen here and there), but all told, The Intercept has done a lot more good than harm.
Information carries value, depending on its quality and effect (people sometimes do pay for it, after all) – the information provided within this site is, in sum, priceless. So to think that The Intercept is all talk and no action, when there is clearly evidence to the contrary throughout this site (just look at the on-field reporting involved, and the documentaries), is cluelessness in the extreme.
With that said, let’s focus on criticism and commentary that’s actually constructive, and not primarily on our presupposed ideas of the ulterior motives of others.
P.S. It’s important to add, that due to the theoretical constructs of “The Butterfly Effect”, it’s impossible to accurately gauge exactly the sum of the impact/effects of an event, or a related series of events. With that said, simultaneously, the totality of the work that has been done here at The Intercept has achieved more than we can comprehend. Consider not just the macroevents that have precipitated, as a result (I’ve actually seen this site referenced in a mainstream media outlet once, which is meaningful), but the series of microevents that have also followed, in the influence and changes it has induced upon all of its readers, and the chains of causality that (will) result.
But in any case, this is just a footnote worth mentioning.
The Washington Post: a tycoon’s private sounding board for ideas so antidemocratic, so restrictive of opposing views, and so unabashedly in favor of global aggression… that the most fitting descriptive phrase to apply to this rag is: “Yellow Journalism”…
Agi Tater has convinced me that if I want a job as a publicist for the Washington Post, I need to be more critical of the board. I have essentially been giving away my services for free. So here goes.
The board has a responsibility to maintain the reputation of the Post, and to convince the general public the paper is something more than just the Pravda on the Potomac. They should therefore strive to maintain the Chinese wall between the paper and the US government, to give the impression that the paper is more than just a government mouthpiece. The news room should be engaging in stenography, and the editorial board should provide them with cover by maintaining a pose of editorial independence.
Instead, the news room is conducting actual journalism, and the editorial board is acting as a government stenographer. This is backwards. The Post is obviously dysfunctional, perhaps because it has a new owner with no background in journalism. Or maybe it took affirmative action too far and reserved too many board seats for idiots. But whatever the cause, the comments section to the Post editorial indicates they aren’t doing a very good job of fooling the readers, which is the prime function of any newspaper. The New York Times should be an example to them; it downplays the Snowden stories, but maintains a supportive editorial position. Propaganda is not complicated, and it ‘s time the Washington Post stopped screwing it up.
Looking forward to my new job as a Washington Post publicist.
We should be happy that the Washington Post still has a comments section. They’re going the way of the dodo.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/04/18/have-comment-sections-on-news-media-websites-failed
They consider them failed because they disagree with Wapo and the NYTs bullshite,that’s all.
They hate free speech,its deplorable country.
If the job description includes “excessively boring and extraordinarily pedantic,” you’re a shoe in.
I’ve already set up an interview with the Public Relations Team”. They confirm that boring and pedantic is a job requirement. As proof, a basic college degree is acceptable, although a higher degree is preferred.
Congratulations.
I was disappointed to click Benito’s link and land on a brown-paper bag on fire.
Let me spare you such an indignation:
It’s a team effort to deceive the nation. “Talented reporters” act as the offense and “columnists and editors ” play defense naturally. We are together stronger if we all play to the right.
It is unfortunate that the CIA and NSA are for-profit these days; think of the lost partnerships (sigh).
At least the schools are ripe still for exploitation. Despite a new owner with no background in journalism, the owner has sold a lot of books. History is written in many ways and available in many formats.
There is none better to indoctrinate corporate values and ethics into “the next generation of journalists” than ‘The Chief’.
Freedom of the Press Foundation’s, Trevor Timm, in the Guardian, setting forth the five things so many, including WaPo, persist in getting wrong about Snowden: The Washington Post is wrong: Edward Snowden should be pardoned. Prolly the one that most infuriates me is the “he should come home and face the music in a fair trial.”
The establishment has some nerve saying “face the music” to someone so uncommonly brave, especially when it won’t itself “face the music” about its foolish and unmanageable collect-it-all madness, its illegal economic espionage, its racist profiling and its unconstitutional mass surveillance.
And these same hacks for the status quo virtually never demand that James Clapper “face the music” for lying to Congress.
James Clapper should face a jury of my peers.
Note to folks who happen to be Audible members:
You can get some really awesome audiobooks, including Glenn’s No Place to Hide for $5.00 !
Also noteworthy to those who like TI journalism, all $5: “Chasing the Scream,” “The Passage of Power (Book 4),” “The Price of Inequality,” and “Rise of the Warrior Cop.”
https://www.audible.com/mt/WWS-Non?page=1
The irony of this link is of course, that it is being sold by Jeff Bezos’ Amazon.
Nate, thanks for this.
We just got back from a long road trip to Canada and I’d been thinking that all that driving would have been more interesting with something good to listen to but didn’t really know of a good source for this stuff.
No problem!
If you’re interested, Audible members can submit a free audiobook to first time users, so if you’d like one to give their service a rip, let me know. (however, it would require me to send it to your e-mail address or message it to your phone; makes me wish TI’s comments had a private message function).
Glenn, you are invaluable! I got trolled right of the bat! lol A sure sign of an always explosive, well-aimed jab (rhetorically) to the rights’ (as in corporate zombies) obfuscating jaws.
Brainwashington Post.
#NoPardonForWashingtonPost
#BoycottAmazon.com
What else does a bald headed bug eyed billionaire alien stranded on planet earth to do but allow the ruination and death of earth and earthlings he pays to help him get back to his home?
Agreed to the Godzilla-th degree! Such multi-national corporate commodity monopolies, their retailers and now their meddling owners are efin’ with our Democracy. Their owners are categorically immune to any customer-protection laws or morality. It’s not if, but whenever, they “see” a break with their class-based ideology by my fellow wage-slave class, they willfully force their personal agenda, as Beos is doing here. The Kochs and Murdochs come to mind, but the sleaziest of these elites. in my mind, are yet unknown and still hide behind their masks as “Main Street” sympathizers, but who cause worldwide death and destruction to decent people with the stroke of a pen on a check.
By citing the NSA foreign intelligence operations that Snowden disclosed to journalists, which were not illegal under U.S. law, the idea is to de-legitimize him as a whistle-blower. But the fact remains we do have evidence of wrongdoing that wasn’t going to be revealed any other way. He’s a whistle-blower, even if not entitled to formal protection as such.
But Glenn …
Snowden PILFERED documents. It says so right there. He is a PILFERER.
What WAPO did was to PUBLISH.
See, two different words. Simple.
Baldie hope this is simple enough for you? Fuck Jeff Bezos, fuck Amazon, fuck the Washington Post, fuck the US mafia Government, and fuck you. Snowden is a hero for revealing the US Government’s crimes.
Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner in the contest to understand what the future has in store for your progeny.
Mister, I think you missed Baldie McEagle’s sarcasm. He’s pointing out WaPo’s hypocrisy in condemning Snowden.
The Washington Post has been aligned with the corridors of power since Eugene Meyer bought it in a bankruptcy auction in 1933. As the privileged son of an investment banker, Eugene Meyer enjoyed a Yale education prior to being employed as his father’s firm. During the first World War, Meyer’s political connection won the task of heading up the War Finance Corporation (The WFC was formed in 1916 to provide financing for businesses deemed essential to the war effort.) In 1927, President Calvin Coolidge named Meyer as chairman of the Federal Farm Loan Board. Meyer was then promoted by Herbert Hoover to serve as the Federal Reserve chairman for its board of governors for three years prior to purchasing the Washington Post (1930-1933). In 1941, Roosevelt appointed Meyer to the National Defense Mediation Board which had been established to prevent unions from slowing down production that was deemed essential in preparation for war. In the wake of the Breton Woods agreement, Harry Truman appointed Meyer as President of the newly formed World Bank.
As a result of Meyer’s social prestige and wealth, his daughter Catherine was also born to privilege; thus she was afforded a Vassar education wherein she embraced the narrative of the progressive left during the depression years. Shortly after taking a position on the editorial staff at the Washington Post in 1940 however, Catherine met and married Philip Graham, an aspiring Harvard trained attorney who was working as a law clerk for United States Supreme Court Justice Stanley F. Reed at the time. Graham would go on to work as a law clerk for United States Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter in 1941. In 1942, Graham joined the Army Air Corp as a private, and wherein he rose to the rank of Major in the span of four years. During his time in the military, Graham was trained as an intelligence officer at the Army Air Force Intelligence School; the school specialized in teaching interrogation techniques that were used on German and Japanese POWs. Graham was trained as an intelligence officer by Captain James Russell Wiggins who would later work with Graham at the Washington post beginning in 1947. Upon graduating, Graham was assigned to the Japanese theatre of operation where he served under Major Jesse Marcel (Major Marcel would later garner a degree of fame as he was the head intelligence officer at the Roswell Army Air Field during the famous Roswell events of July 1947). Upon returning home from his tour of duty Japan in 1945, Graham was hired by his father-in-law, Eugene Meyer, to work at the Washington Post.
The forgoing would be pretty standard fare, but for the fact that a 1965 CIA “Confidential” memo came to light in 2014 as the result of an FOIA request. The memorandum revealed the degree to which the CIA had nurtured mutually beneficial relationships with a number of prestigious newspapers and/or magazines including the Washington Post and Newsweek. For its part, the CIA would supply “friendly” journalists with exclusives that, when published, were intended to cast the CIA in the most positive light. The flow of information went both ways as these same reporters were often providing their CIA handlers with privileged information as well. The revelation that prominent journalists were used by the CIA to bolster its own image with both politicians and the public first surfaced in 1974 when two disillusioned former intelligence analysts, Victor Marchetti of the CIA and John D. Marks of the State Department, co-wrote a book attesting to that fact. Concurrently, Seymour Hersh revealed in The New York Times that the CIA had conducted a massive domestic surveillance campaign, which gave impetus to the creation of the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, chaired by Idaho Democrat Frank Church. Which failed to address the domestic nature of Operation Mockingbird. That which made the 2014 memo stand out was the the degree of new detail that it contained concerning the domestic aspects of Operation Mockingbird – including the names of prominent journalist and publishers who had been recruited by CIA’s Directorate of Intelligence, Ray Cline, beginning in 1957. Among those listed in the memo were five Washington Post employees: Katharine Graham, Chalmers M. Roberts, Murrey Marder, James Russell Wiggins, and Alfred Friendly. All of this activity was merely an element of a 1957 propaganda/disinformation program called Operation Mockingbird that was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, and was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA in 1952.
Thus the notion that the Post’s current opposition to Snowden’s pardon is either historically unique, ideologically unprecedented, or that it is singularly reflective of its editorial staff, is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
Get rid of the editorial boards:
http://fortune.com/2016/09/19/washington-post-snowden/
(h/t Jay Rosen)
Why am i having sudden feelings of deja vu…? ;)
The same CIA ensnarement, via the Atlantic Council, was publicized by Udo Ulfkotte, assistant editor of the Frankfurter Allgemeine, quickening the pace of [both] honest journalists’ departure from the MSM, and coalescing around KOPP ONLINE.
I would only have one use for the WAPO: in my cottage out-house, after I read about their involvement in literally setting up the American Firsters under Lindbergh. They tricked them into mailing their pamphlets to one of their so-called journalists, which then made it a crime to be adjudicated in Washington. During these ” sedition trials ” they bought a judge, who died before completion of the matter. Since justice delayed is justice denied, they soon bought another one, who was friends with Stalin.
Mr Greenwald,
How do you pull this piece together when the subject is insanity? How does a person make sense of nonsense?
What makes sense to me is that the “editorial board” was used by personnel within our intelligence community to remove the appearance of unanimous respect of Snowden by American media.
This could be a sign that Snowden is getting serious consideration for pardon by the President?
It could also indicate that those on the “editorial board” should be bitch slapped…..
High level sources will think twice before ever talking to a Post reporter, lest they get thrown under the bus when things get kinky. And then the timing of this. Could it be the corporate office at the Post made a backroom with the government? Hmmm.
Glenn:
You have powerful enough a mind to easily see that the difference between what you/theIntecept and Western MSM do is at most in degree, not kind.
Is the Washington Post “benefiting from untold millions of clicks“? Oh, bad them! Haven’t you “benefitted” from Snowden leaks in your own ways?
You have self appointed yourself as the arbiter of what should be “in public interest“ and you ”ethically” (as you say) protect the agents of crimes against humanity and USG officials boasting about torture. Knowing well that USG and their allies in their latest “freedom loving wars” based on well-known lies and b#llsh!t have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII
Tell us, please, about a single concrete change your reporting has caused.
Come on, you are a lawyer, you know very well you can’t indict someone a@@ based on philosophical discussions about morality and humanity. Sure, you would use your verbal prowess to “talk things right”, giving them an axiomatically sounding closure and, it seems, even convince yourself.
AFAIK, no one here at theIntecept needs ”convincing” and I keep wondering if you realize you are talking about morality and humanity to politicians and police.
truth ad peace and love,
RCL
Dude. Glenn has surely benefitted from Snowden’s leak to the media. He has also had his spouse illegally detained, suffered the slings and arrows of those in power whose duplicity and traitorous actions they exposed.
But so what? The delta is that the Washington Post is hypocriticaly demanding Snowden’s imprisonment. They benefitted. They shit on him. If Glenn benefitted, fine, but he isn’t shitting in his source.
Can’t you read?
“Is the Washington Post “benefiting from untold millions of clicks“? Oh, bad them! Haven’t you “benefitted” from Snowden leaks in your own ways?”
I think you missed the point of the article. The article did’nt say you should’nt profit from journalism, it said should’nt sellout your sources after the fact. Small detail you conveniently forgot to mention lol.
#NoPardonForWashingtonPost
Excellent article in Fortune that gets to the heart of the increasingly untenable and “antiquated” editorial/news sections distinction: Here’s Why The Washington Post Is Wrong About Edward Snowden
It makes more sense when you replace the word “independence” with “opposition”. That’s the definition of “exact opposite”.
Woops! I’m a step behind on this too!
Just means this must be a hella party. ;-}
I’ve done it too, many times. No problemo — it keeps it higher in the thread.
I had on (not giving it my full attention) C-SPAN’S Newsmakers with Rep Adam Schiff, ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee who had primarily the same arguments.
Not giving credit to any group (the IC, Fred Kaplan, or the “Journalists”), it sounds as if they coordinated and compared text. Their collective cowardice belongs in Mrs Clinton’s basket, but oh, never mind.
Assholes.
I think the lens through which to understand this apparent double standard is Jeff Bezos (owner of WashPost) is in the business of making money as is his staff. Given the fact these stories were going public through The Guardian, WashPost wanted to get in on the publicity since Barton Gellman had these documents too. It clearly worked winning notoriety and a Pulitzer Prize and now they are trying to reaffirm their commitment to their role as a top propagandist.
Bravo Bezos, you rotten capitalist with no journalistic integrity.
My thoughts exactly Gladwell! I am happy to see that my intuition isn’t alone…
Peace be with you.
The Washington Post editors were cowardly and hypocritical and history will condemn them as such.
it’s just a media war?
washeduppo vs lamestreammedia?
This am gov Cuomo of ny threw down the gauntlet an said “new york is the media capital.”
it’s a media war, WDC vs NYC.
Fearing it’s own life, paranoid wapo has jumped into the fox hole and gone all extremist to stake out territory and occupy space just like any primitive mediterranean middle east country would do.
Anything Cuomo says is very problematic to American patriots.
He hates freedom.
I’m sure you know that it is all one media,in NYC and DC,for American confusion about any irrationality committed by our leaders,and against American nationalism regaining control of the USA.
I think it’s just to say “look,we are not a hive”,or some email screwup as to why they came up heads on Snowden to the Times tails.
I can’t see Snowden coming home in any event,unless he’s got an island offshore somewhere.Too many idiots think he’s the bad guy,instead of our feckless asshole POTUSs.
I tell you what,Trump is proved right again,regarding this immigration of people who hate US(I understand their hatred,but it is irrational to invite them in).The NYC bombings must have got him a lot of votes.
And what is the deranged HRC to counter with?
Israel is the calm(relatively at least)eye of the WOT hurricane as to it being a target of international terrorism and dissident revelations.
Weird or what?
Your would-be fuhrer, Donald Trump, wants to execute Edward Snowden.
Nobodies perfect!:)
What do you think the Hell Bitch,Obomba,The shrub or Bent Dick would “like “to do with him?3 out of four at least might not execute him for political votes,the hypocrites,but they’ve all murdered other American citizens for far less.
And Snowden put himself where he is,and although I don’t think him a bad guy,many people do.
How the hell is he going to come home,even with a pardon?
He’s sort of like” The man without a country.”
Don’t do the crime if you don’t want to do the time?As in he knew the consequences?(a braver man than I)
And Trumps going to win,so get the moving van.You’ll need a long lag,as I’ve heard through the GV Mexico wants no gringos,and Canada is very restrictive.:)
They wouldn’t want me either(yee haw!).so don’t feel bad.:)
You funny lady.
Trump is a perfect authoritarian. As the Freedom of the Press Foundation has observed, Trump threatened to sue the NYT for saying mean things about him (and wants to put Peter Thiel on SCOTUS), had a VICE reporter arrested, and blames the NY bombings on ‘freedom of the press.’
Moreover, he made sure the GOP platform is so Israel-friendly it could have been written by Netanyahu. And thrilled with his work, he shrieked: “The most pro-Israel of all time!”
Not perfect? He’s a horror.
So now you defend the serial lying NYTs.
look,if Trump said the truth about Israel he would be crucified even more so than the bastards do already.
And to deny that the major issue facing US today is the pernicious affect of foreign zionists on our governmental policies,borne out every f*cking day,reveals your own allegiances and phony posturing.
Have a nice day,propagandist loser.
Furthermore,everyone with a brain knows that the minute Trump mentioned the neutral stement on I-P the knives have been out for his political scalp.
A denial of that reveals a complete rejection of reality,and means that you have skin in the zionist project
Isn’t Holland usually a Jewish surname?
I do not understand all the anger and yammering about propaganda. It was just a published opinion.
So a rich owner thought his reporter went too far and said so in an editorial. The world will not come to an end, the reporters / editors still have their jobs, and the reporting is the same.
So… where is the injustice / propaganda? I did not realize typing an editorial = injustice.
The editorial reflects society. Some Americans side with Snowden, some side with the editorial board.
GG wrote like -mona- this time. I agree with what GG types most of the time but not on this topic. Freedom = expressing dissent. Dissent is not exclusive to people like us.
No you don’t. You’re a rightwing troll so frequently wrong about simple facts that few of the regular commenters any longer take you seriously.
How dare you Charlie.
Agreeing with everything Glenn says is Mona’s gig!
More inanity from Nate the perpetual fuckwit. Glenn and I agree some 92% of the time — which is why we became friends and then law partners. But that remaining 8% can be full of fire, and has been in this space.
None of which has anything to do with the fact that Charliethree is a rightwing troll who disagrees with almost everything he reads here, and does so in fashion even more moronic than your stuff.
I don’t disagree with what gets written here. I criticize some articles here because the reporters use too many opinions to reach their conclusions and that technique often results in logical fallacy.
For example, I believe Snowden should be pardoned.
I also believe others, including the editorial board, have a right to state their opinion. If that makes me a right wing troll in your eyes, sobeit. I cannot control what you think.
You are a rightwing troll, and you disagree often, usually for stupid reasons, — often “supported” by wildly wrong fact claims. This has extended to absurd criticisms of Black Lives Matter and articles about them. Spewing out “I want Snowden pardoned” does not change the overwhelming thrust of your inane output.
This makes it sound WAY too mutual. I think the better statement is that “Mona agrees with Glenn’s views 92% of the time.” You are the commenting equivalent of a yes-man. Your default position is to repeat and defend.
Furthermore, what is there for Glenn to agree with YOU on ? You are mostly substance-free. Since you cannot convey your own thoughts, much less expand upon Glenn’s, you resort to name-calling and trying to marginalize opposing views. Is Glenn to agree with you that commenter 1 is a “fuckwit”? Or that commenter 2 is a right winger? or Commenter 3 is a (my favorite) “Hasbara Troll”?
You’re so mad that I used Glenn’s tweet to pwn you. And now I revert to ignroing you, as I do 90-95% of the time.
“You are mostly substance-free. ”
So you see yourself in others …
I think we can call that growth.
@Nate bemoans Mona:
That’s simply bullshit. I keep saying you’re better than this; and then this.
Silly,
This suggests you’re up to snuff on my interactions with Mona. If so, please provide some examples!!
If you are having trouble finding them, just search “fuckwit” in the comments section and you’re bound to run into some of them.
Rather than a snipe-hunt/fuckwit chase, I’ll just stick to the claim you made: that Mona is substance free and cannot convey her own thoughts.
That was completely thoughtless of you to say that; as in: demonstrably wrong.
Silly, have you stopped to ponder the possibility that your experience differs from mine? After all, I’m often against the grain.
Unless you’re willing to read her posts directed at me, you cannot prove I’m demonstrably wrong.
But how about a compromise, I amend my statement to this: “In my interactions with Mona, she is mostly substance free.”
There! saved you some effort.
“Unless you’re willing to read her posts directed at me, you cannot prove I’m demonstrably wrong.”
I did, or I wouldn’t have said anything. And you are. You demonstrated it.
Yet you don’t share a single instance.
I’m calling bullshit Silly!
Put up or shut up
Nate, you shared every instance, here, already. I (may have) put a comment up with links to all of your separate comments that apply. It should show up here sometime in 2017. For now, I’m through chasing fuckwits.
In the face of an admission by Mona that my comment was accurate, Sillyputty doubles down!!
Trump would be proud.
Silly,
Nice of Mona to resolve this argument for us. To Mona’s credit, it is a refreshingly honest admission!
https://theintercept.com/2016/09/18/washpost-makes-history-first-paper-to-call-for-prosecution-of-its-own-source-after-accepting-pulitzer/?comments=1#comment-284400
You on the other hand…
But I’m a half glass full kinda guy, so you were just sticking up for a pal. Here ya go:
Sillyputty gains + 1 Blind Loyalty!
Nice try, Nate. Blindly loyal I’m demonstrably not.
Your objection was to Nate’s absurd claim my posts aren’t substantive and have no thoughts of my own. Nate’s in his usual mode in conflating my happy admission I often call him a “fuckwit” with your having been wrong in your objections. He fails to logically track arguments all the time; hence: fuckwit.
Yup. He steps off the train immediately, then argues because he gets left behind.
He is right, tho, that I invariably — when I decide to address something he’s spewed — describe him as a “fuckwit.” Further, I’ll admit to being just juvenile enough to doing it in part because he constantly whines about it — thus telling me it bugs him.
I should be a better person…nah.
A rich owner (Amazon’s Jeff Bezos) with a contract with the CIA for $600 million to run a cloud computing center that might just be as bogus as the SAIC-Trailblazer-NSA program that Thomas Drake tried to blow the whistle on, arguing that a similar whistleblower, Snowden, should not be pardoned?
You really don’t see any conflict of interest there? This is really why we need strict media ownership antitrust laws in this country; as just one example, entities involved in government contracting (like Amazon’s Jeff Bezos) should not be allowed to own accredited media organizations (like the Washington Post).
http://blackbag.gawker.com/amazon-is-the-scariest-part-of-the-cias-new-amazon-clo-1605847721
Hmm… stories like that; is that why Peter Thiel went after Gawker? His Palantir outfit is in the same business, after all.
It seems like you are comparing apples and oranges.
Jeff Bezos didn’t write the editorial.
No, but his sock puppets did.
It was a collective editorial by all of the “sock puppets” and I’m not sure what your point is? Are they selecting what is considered news? If not, what is the problem?
Bezos? that editorial screamed Fred Hiatt.
Yup — Hiatt.
See this conversation below:
Corporate-government alliance = private money-state power alliance = fascism!
Their CIA handlers must have finally got to them.
Our government constantly lies to us, defenestrating democratic accountability. And those whose function charges them to monitor and reveal the truth to us, instead become their enablers, as surely as Pravda and Izvestia did, even if in the service rather of the corporate predators who have bought our government’s policies, against the millions of us.
Speaking of Barton Gellman … who ‘does not agree with some of his (Snowden) fans that he did no harm at all’ … would that he could articulate what harm/damage that would be?
What fault of Snowden has caused the WaPo to suddenly cease thy favors?
There could be couple factors – one, a conflict between the Washington Post’s pro-“New Cold War with Russia & China” editorial and newsroom agenda, and Snowden’s revelation of the economic espionage and political manipulation games the NSA has been engaged in overseas. Two, the economic interests of the WaPo’s new owner, CIA contractor Amazon.
If we go back to the old Cold War, the first time the NSA turned its attention to American citizens (instead of foreign government and military communications) was around 1962, the JFK-Johnson era. (see James Bamford, The Puzzle Palance, 1983), with the CIA, Secret Service, FBI and DIA all delivering lists of names and organizations to the NSA for monitoring:
This was a McCarthyism replay, based on “possible foreign influence on civil disturbances in the United States.” It persisted through around 1974, when Seymour Hersh disclosed the CIA’s domestic Operation CHAOS program (partner to COINTELPRO) which operated with close NSA assistance. The Pike and Church Committees (House and Senate) then exposed much of this to the public, resulting in a rollback of the domestic surveillance programs – which were re-initiated by the Patriot Act passage of 2001, and amplified by the NSA programs in Iraq, c.2004, the first rollout of the surveillance program that was then turned to focus on the American public and has been growing ever since, with Bush and Obama supporting it all the way.
One big difference between now and 1975, however, is the consolidation of media ownership in the hands of a few plutocrats, as well as huge sums of money flowing into Congressional politics, and the rise of the intelligence agency/private contractor nexus – and so, you see very little interest in exposing these programs to the public, either in Congress or in the corporate media.
In the case of the Washington Post, owner Jeff Bezos of Amazon has a $600 million contract for cloud computing with the CIA, which likely explains the about-face by the WaPo editorial board on a Snowden pardon. What if that CIA-Amazon contract is another NSA-SAICTrailblazer fraud, and some CIA employee decides to go all Drake/Snowden on them, encouraged by a Snowden pardon?
Well, that does it photo! … now there is no reasonable alternative to a full Snowden pardon./
And think of all the trillions wasted on the D of Homeland Security whose existence has seen a rapid increase of domestic terror and the stinking Patriot Act,another boondoggle of freedom thievery,again with a terrible track record of efficacy.
See Glenn pwna NYT “journalist” who agrees w/ WaPo. She’s a total fucking hack who petulantly resorts to the gender card.
I suppose the groups petitioning for Snowden’s pardon need to show their support but they surely can’t be so naïve as to believe Obama would pardon any whistleblower, he would prefer to display their heads on the White House gate. There had to be a status quo response to this pardon begging and the WAPO EB played their part.
That leaves me to wonder if this is just an attempt to reinvigorate a dead story that produced little but controversy and debate with no real reform or limits on the Security State and sadly it never will. I suppose it could help divert some attention from the election for a needed break before the final dash to the finish.
Snowden will remain Putin’s guest in Russia at least until Putin tires of him and drops him off in London to visit Assange.
plenty of good reform by data tech sector.
Some reforms were implemented, because otherwise sales of US tech companies like Apple would have tanked; but there don’t seem to be any changes at providers like AT&T and Verizon. Also, whatever happened to the NSA-backdoor-into-RSA-encryption story?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-nsa-rsa-idUSBREA2U0TY20140331
As far as I can tell, that still remains in place; no true random number generation systems have been implemented.
Very powerful article Glenn!!
After you guys spent years describing the US as a terrorist state run by a war criminal, a murderer who will be replaced by another war criminal and a murderer now you are begging the one you describe as a murderer to pardon Snowden so he can come back to the US and pay taxes to finance the terrorist state. WTF!!!
Why are you so eager for the terrorist state to pardon him? He is free in beautiful Russia, his taxes are not buying weapons for the terrorist state and he can criticize the terrorist state as much as he wants.
lol
victimhood is a double edged sword
Mani actually — no doubt unwittingly — has a point. A good example of why would be a story that just posted here:
Snowden should be prosecuted and not pardoned. Regardless if he was a source for the Post or not, that is no reason for the Post to offer the opinion that they did. You may agree with the crime he committed, but it was still a crime. Snowden still committed a crime and should be prosecuted and locked up for a long term. To provide him blanket pardon will only encourage others to betray their oaths and break the law in the future as well.
He honored his oath, and is honored in doing that. Learn about it.
Exactly. It’s unclear what “oath” Ken refers to, but he appears to be making a common error, one that was well-corrected a few years ago by Barry Eisler:
Edward Snowden took that same oath, and commendably kept it.
Definitly, it’s amazing how the same old rhetoric endures.Yesterday I engaged in a conversation about Edward Snowden with a woman that conjoured up the treasonous traitor argument, surprisingly, I enlightened her as to what being a traitor or treasonous really means.
You nearly always have to break some sort of law in order to become a whistleblower. In most cases you commit a “smaller” crime (individual oath breaking) to reveal a “bigger” one (e.g. warcrimes or in Snowden’s case institutionalized mass surveillance). So, you can bring Snowden to court, yes… but only after the relevant parts of the US institutions!
Just like Saddam and Osama.(jumped to mind,kangaroo court).They got excised so our relevant institutions didn’t have to speak.
Hillaryous,right?
Gellman responds:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/09/19/barton-gellman-washington-post-editorial-board-snowden/
Yeah. Wimpy, IMHO.
See below.
It was a good deal more subdued and, um, diplomatic than his response to the House Intelligence Oversight committee. But the latter doesn’t have nearly the reach into Gellman’s career that WaPoo et al do, so… :-s
Whats his name, Fred, (Pedinska’s other half) told me once Pedinska is always fashionably late to the party. .. and then, Katie bar the door!
*just fyi
As our RRG exploits must tell you, I do so love me a party, however late I may finally arrive. ;-}
Yes, I’ve heard. You have an, um, reputation. ;)
It’s not an example of a firewall. A firewall would have allowed the editorial board to be intellectually consistent and call for the prosecution of their own bosses, who published and heralded Snowden’s revelations. What it shows is that the editorial board is a paper tiger — acting like a tough guy buy can’t look itself in the mirror.
Looked more like a dirty kitchen sponge precariously balanced on edge to me.
But I was squinting and looking at it with extreme side-eye, so…. ;-}
The Washington Post and the New York Times have become the equivalent of the old Soviet Union’s Pravda, that should be obvious enough by now:
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/07/new-york-times-and-the-new-mccarthyism/
This is the same kind of behavior by these “papers of record” in the runup to the 2003 Iraq invasion – dishonest manipulation of news stories (1) and op-ed pieces promoting the same agenda (2).
For example, the NSA stories at the Washington Post from 2015 onwards exclusively focus on the bulk phone collection program, and ignore many other issues – such as Britian’s GCHQ spying on Americans, and collecting and archiving that data, which may be accessed later by NSA. This is watering down the story, certainly. Coverage of NSA roles in economic espionage and regime change/political manipulation operations is non-existent. And, surprise, the editorial board reflects this view: their fundamental criticism of Snowden is that he exposed foreign mass surveillance efforts as well as domestic ones.
So much for their “firewall” between the newsroom and the editorial board.
The Washington Post has been aligned with the corridors of power since Eugene Meyer bought in a bankruptcy auction in 1933. As the privileged son of an investment banker, Eugene Meyer enjoyed a Yale education prior to being employed as his father’s firm. During the first World War, Meyer’s political connection won the task of heading up the War Finance Corporation (The WFC was formed in 1916 to provide financing for businesses deemed essential to the war effort.) In 1927, President Calvin Coolidge named Meyer as chairman of the Federal Farm Loan Board. Meyer was then promoted by Herbert Hoover to serve as the Federal Reserve chairman for its board of governors for three years prior to purchasing the Washington Post (1930-1933). In 1941, Roosevelt appointed Meyer to the National Defense Mediation Board which had been established to prevent unions from slowing down production that was deemed essential in preparation for war. In the wake of the Breton Woods agreement, Harry Truman appointed Meyer as President of the newly formed World Bank.
As a result of Meyer’s social prestige and wealth, his daughter Catherine was also born to privilege; thus she was afforded a Vassar education wherein she embraced the narrative of the progressive left during the depression years. Shortly after taking a position on the editorial staff at the Washington Post in 1940 however, Catherine met and married Philip Graham, an aspiring Harvard trained attorney who was working as a law clerk for United States Supreme Court Justice Stanley F. Reed at the time. Graham would go on to work as a law clerk for United States Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter in 1941. In 1942, Graham joined the Army Air Corp as a private, and wherein he rose to the rank of Major in the span of four years. During his time in the military, Graham was trained as an intelligence officer at the Army Air Force Intelligence School; the school specialized in teaching interrogation techniques that were used on German and Japanese POWs. Graham was trained as an intelligence officer by Captain James Russell Wiggins who would later work with Graham at the Washington post beginning in 1947. Upon graduating, Graham was assigned to the Japanese theatre of operation where he served under Major Jesse Marcel (Major Marcel would later garner a degree of fame as he was the head intelligence officer at the Roswell Army Air Field during the famous Roswell events of July 1947). Upon returning home from his tour of duty Japan in 1945, Graham was hired by his father-in-law, Eugene Meyer, to work at the Washington Post.
The forgoing would be pretty standard fare, but for the fact that a 1965 CIA “Confidential” memo came to light in 2014 as the result of an FOIA request. The memorandum revealed the degree to which the CIA had nurtured mutually beneficial relationships with a number of prestigious newspapers and/or magazines including the Washington Post and Newsweek. For its part, the CIA would supply “friendly” journalists with exclusives that, when published, were intended to cast the CIA in the most positive light. The flow of information went both ways as these same reporters were often providing their CIA handlers with privileged information as well. The revelation that prominent journalists were used by the CIA to bolster its own image with both politicians and the public first surfaced in 1974 when two disillusioned former intelligence analysts, Victor Marchetti of the CIA and John D. Marks of the State Department, co-wrote a book attesting to that fact. Concurrently, Seymour Hersh revealed in The New York Times that the CIA had conducted a massive domestic surveillance campaign, which gave impetus to the creation of the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, chaired by Idaho Democrat Frank Church. Which failed to address the domestic nature of Operation Mockingbird. That which made the 2014 memo stand out was the the degree of new detail that it contained concerning the domestic aspects of Operation Mockingbird – including the names of prominent journalist and publishers who had been recruited by CIA’s Directorate of Intelligence, Ray Cline, beginning in 1957. Among those listed in the memo were five Washington Post employees: Katharine Graham, Chalmers M. Roberts, Murrey Marder, James Russell Wiggins, and Alfred Friendly. All of this activity was merely an element of a 1957 propaganda/disinformation program called Operation Mockingbird that was initially organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles, and was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became the head of the CIA in 1952.
Thus the notion that the Post’s current opposition to Snowden’s pardon is either historically unique, ideologically unprecedented, or that it is singularly reflective of its editorial staff, is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
Is this your role in the Universe now, Glenn? We already think-know the newspapers of the world are a load of tripe. Their purpose is to make a profit, not to light an Eternal Flame to the Spirit of Woodward and Bernstein and Save Humanity from Every Hypocrisy. They ARE an integral part of that Hypocrisy. The easiest way to make a profit in Big Corpa-Monopoly-lovin’ ‘Merica is to kowtow to the Powers That Be. The Powers That Be know that for a Monopoly such as the Washington Post (or Apple, or Google, or whoever) to keep those Big Corpa-bucks rollin’ in is to let them be seen as being Joe Public-friendly one moment, then yank it all back the next. It’s just a game, Glenn, time for you to realise that and stop bitchin’ and start scratchin’, coz that fuckin’ itch ain’t goin’ no other way. And frankly who gives a rat’s arse whether the WP calls for Snowden to be “pardoned” of a crime he didn’t actually commit, it is US, THE PUBLIC, and our POLITICAL LEADERS that are at fault. You can criticise them until you puke, but please stop believing in the Healing Powers of the Printed Journalistic Word, it is plain old quackery. I couldn’t give a fuck if they called for him to be burnt at the stake, they are lyin’ cheatin’ morons with crappy mortgages to pay in some dull suburban corner of Shithole City, Tedium State, Amerikakaka (which is why we live abroad, plus the people are prettier and the food nicer!); accept that and move on. There are three other Estates worthy of being kicked into shape before that shower of wankers.
It’s fantastic that you feel this way, and that you’re not easily swayed by the likes of WaPo. I mean it really.
But if you’ve been reading Glenn for some time, you’ll realize, that sometimes he writes things just to get them on record, because nobody else is fucking talking about them. So I say good for Glenn. I loved the drubbing. And whatever you may think, these organizations who hide behind the “dignity” of their profession, hate this kind of article. So I say keep more of these coming.
“Washington Post says Obama should not pardon whistleblower Ed Snowden .”
These news are good news for Ed Snowden. Russia is a safe place for Snowden, the US is not a safe place…for anybody.
Critics of the Russian government are safer in the U.S. than in Russia; critics of the U.S. government are safer in Russia. The same is generally true for critics of the Chinese government. This is especially true for anyone in possession of classified information detailing the crimes of their respective nation’s government.
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/66-the-world-in-george-orwells-1984
photo you hit the nail square on the head. crimes by those in charge of any government. WaPo is just trying to cover their ass so as to not go down with Snowden. if the owners and the editors can hire or choose the opinion writers or what to print or fire same then they are just as guilty.
there it is
it is nevertheless a well known fact that freedom of speech exists in one’s own country at certain places however, the shower, the bed with your face in a pillow, under water, at any and every restaurant and public space while your mouth is full of food and nobody can understand you, in dreams, and finally while watching/listening to the media and thinking out loud what a POS these elected ahos are.
Is there a Russian in America who was pursued by that government and had to flee here for sanctuary?
Who couldn’t travel to associate states,like Canada,Australia or GB to name a few?
I know China has issues with dissidents,but aren’t they also are allowed free reign throughout the West if they escape their home nations clutches?
Assange and Snowden are unique examples of Western hypocrisy and a sign of their own total wish for dominance of the political arena.
Who da nazis?
Saw at Consortium,G.Doctorow, where he says outside the ballot box in Russia there is a list of all the bank accounts,cars,houses,wealth etc for the public to see.
Goddamn.
He issued a mea culpa for not seeing Russians rallying behind Vlad.His party now has total control of the Duma.
Kicked in the teeth again,eh Obomba?
Lol, it’s a safe place if you remain misinformed, stay quiet, unactive, consume and finish your koolaid.
Mr. Greenwald, thank you for expressing so eloquently the feeling of WTF I experienced while reading the article. I would like to add an “Amen!” to your closing sentence. There are so many ways that that is Just Wrong than I’ve had to stop thinking about it. One wonders about the origin and motivation of that editorial . .
One doesn’t have to wonder, because it is pretty much plain as it comes: they are publicly kissing arse because privately they think Snowden is a danger to Them All and only wanted to add a shiny bauble to their mantlepiece which they will wave around long after anyone remembers what it is for. Snowden shames the majority of our leaders, press, military figures and plenty of private individuals too.
The concept of National Security spouting forth endlessly from various Americans now is meaningless: you can’t arm ISIS and set them loose on Syria, arm the precursors of the Taliban and set them loose on the Russians, have the CIA smuggle drugs, sell arms to dictatorships, have a stockpile of more nuclear weapons than the rest of the world SQUARED, spy on the entire planet, set up trade agreements that allow private US corporations to sue sovereign nations, antagonise 1billion Muslims, have 25% of the world’s prison population of whom 80% are black, spend over a trillion dollars a year on a military you do not need but instead use to intimidate the oil-producing nations of the world into doing what you demand, run several global banking organisations capable of bankrupting entire nations, conducting two “Endless Wars” on Drugs and Terrorism that you have zero intention on ever actually “winning” heaven-forbid and a complete inability to practice what you preach because you think you are “exceptional” and STILL GO ON ABOUT SOME SORT OF “SORRY STATE” IN YOUR OWN LITTLE NATIONAL SECURITY NEEDS. The United State of America are the Rest of the World’s global security risk. Spend your efforts and monies on sorting yourselves out, because there are 7billion of us, and only 100million obedient stupid-ass-ready-to-die-for-Hills-or-Trumps WASPS of you. And I am being generous there.
Got it?
Barton Gellman speaks!!!
Well the owners have as much say, in the hiring, firing, news content, editorializing, as they want.
(To compare and contrast I have no say,…me, that’s who has “no say”) The millionaire owner of the WP has as much say as he wants.
So….the 16 anti-Sanders articles in 16 hours? That was an example of the Washington Post news staff showing their independence from the opinion staff?
And this Snowden editorial, where they call for the imprisonment of their own journalists’ source….that will have no effect on the dauntless heroes in the news division?
I’m all for such a firewall. It makes good business sense. Especially when all the owner asks, is for the paper to not look into his business.
(but that is still having an effect…on what is NOT covered in the news)
When the owners want to get a little more involved….have their say, support a candidate, write an editorial…that also affects the news.
Not much of a firewall. When everyone at the Wpost knows their boss thinks the Snowden story was a criminal act that should be punished.
I call this ‘organizational schizophrenia’ … Benito Mussolini calls it ‘plausible deniability’.
Firewalls
I don’t believe in firewalls, especially in a corporate environment. They are hoaxes, shams, illusions meant for the rank and file.
It’s more conceivable that Gellman was told not to criticize them back and thereby escalate to the public the internal disagreement.
And who are those owners ? Just one man – Jeff Bezos – that’s who. These tech titans all turn out to be fascists and the combination of big business and the state is now so complete in the United Sates that has become in plain sight a fascist state .
Completely Agree. I do not know why Greenwald did not call out Bezos in the article. He refers to the Slate’s Kaplan and others as cowards but his anger should be directed at Bezos. It is not news that the USA is being run by an group of elites that own multiple cross disciplinary businesses. The US govt is a sham. The real US government is Bezos, Gates, Kochs, Schmidt from Google, and others.
The little Washingtonian piece by Andrew Beaujon is lame, as is the cited tweet by J. Prof. Kennedy:
Shorter Kennedy-Beaujon: If you’re not besties with your source, it’s perfectly OK to advocate prosecuting him for providing the material you published.
Also, aren’t they teaching young reporters the difference between adjectives and adverbs (in about 4th grade)?
As for Barton Gellman: that was fairly feeble, Bart.
But publishing the material he gave them makes them complicit in the crime they’re accusing him of. They’re basically calling for their own prosecution.
Woops! I see you beat me to it.
Apologies for not checking the thread before posting.
As others have noted I, too, have my suspicions about just how high and/or impermeable such “firewalls” are, but Gellman’s other recent piece emphasizes for me that he is an independent journalist not easily influenced to pull punches. At least, thus far.
Maybe WaPo’s editors should now try Eric Cartman’s latest method for distraction, in the new episode of South Park, and just draw “vaginaballs” on their face.
South Park / Season20 Episode 1 / “Member Berries”
http://southpark.cc.com/
“So – who are you voting for, Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich?”
I am sure the fact that the Washington Post is owned by
Amazon’s Jeff Bezo that in turn has one of its biggest AWS customers
being the CIA would have nothing to do with the editorial!!
Moth says——-
” Okay, funny twist but however you cut it Snowden was first cause. ”
Mudbone says——
” Geez , and I thought the NSA was first cause . Thanks for the spin Moth . “
What is so concerning here, is the context of the recent and sudden political narrative of the global elites. Instead of using their paycheck cronies, through their chain of command, down to their political hacks, THEY are coming out of their corporate castles to claim their possessions – us – in person! Because they’re scared. They see from hundreds to a thousand or more anti-pipeline activists showing up in South Dakota to stop them. Over a hundred thousand in the streets of Germany to stop the TTIP. The audience Saturday at Farm Aid 31 in Virginia, loudly cheered to Neil Young’s liking of a t-shirt on a concert goer saying “Fuck Monsanto” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXC16JpWW8E). People in Argentina and Brazil are revolting against the newly installed neoliberal “privatize it all” (and give it over to their buddies) heads of state. The folks in Valenzuela are taking repeated attacks by the neo-liberals there, who paint themselves as “saviors” from from Yugo Chavez’s socialism, scapegoating Presidente Maduro. Dr. Stein, our best chance candidate who can bring Justice back to our America calls Julian Assange a hero – and I and millions of Americans who “think outside the box” (Thank you, Bernie!) agree.
DT is the front man for the corporate global move to take over the goods and services that “consumers” need to maintain their unsustainable lifestyles. HRC is their fallback, just in case. In either case, We The People get thrown under a Godzilla-sized bus. But there is still hope that Love will conquer the cold, hard-hearted elites. Even malevolents as Bezos, Trump, Murdoch – the .001% who do own us, if we let them.
No,Bob,it aint the 60s.
Its the age of navel gazing,where everyone is self absorbed by their cellphone into archipelagos of incivility.
You open a conversation and they look at you like you are a Manson follower.
A real riot,sheesh.
The only street riots today are Americans fleeing terrorist bullets and bombs.
The Washington Post may have difficulty getting the next national security whistleblower story…but at least their latest editorial is making the world news:
“In an article appearing this weekend, the editorial board of the American daily adopts the arguments of the white house. And in the process, turns its back the the work of its own journalists.”
As several have noted below, the comments to the WaPo editorial are scathing and precious. The Guardian reportsWaPo “has stunned many people in the United States, including a large section of the country’s journalistic community.”
Okay, funny twist but however you cut it Snowden was first cause.
Ok, lets cut to the chase Moth balls.
In theory anyway, the ‘first cause’, as you put it, was, and still IS, the respective congressional Intelligence Oversight committees.
Imo, a ‘collect it all’ approach, by hook or by crook, by U.S. SigNet intelligence potentates absent robust public debate is … ‘the damage done’.
CIA (Collect It All) is not a legitimate (or even ‘workable’) posture for the defense of U.S. SigNet ‘national security’ interests in my view. At best, it strikes me as some sort-of paranoid delusion about the nature of threats … at worst, it results in a grossly overburdened capacity to respond effectively to legitimate threats to U.S. national security interests.
I’m more than concerned some members of Congressional Intelligence Oversight committees obviously see it this way (I’m looking at y’all Sen. Wyden/Udall et el) as well but left it to a very smart high school ‘drop out’ with some backbone to blow the whistle …
… and take the heat.
Coupled with Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, brazenly lying to the Senate Intelligence Committee. The Snowden movie captures that moment and Snowden’s reaction to it.
CIA (Collect It All) is not a legitimate (or even ‘workable’) posture for the defense of U.S. SigNet ‘national security’ interests in my view. At best, it strikes me as some sort-of paranoid delusion about the nature of threats … at worst, it results in a grossly overburdened capacity to respond effectively to legitimate threats to U.S. national security interests.
If, however, one substitutes elite 1% security interests for U.S. national security interests – especially when taking into account how many of our allegedly spied-upon allies have fallen into line – then the picture starts to make a good bit more sense.
I love the Wapo saying Snowden should be prosecuted.
Ever heard of aiding and abetting?
WaPo — the establishment newspaper. Take it down. Can’t touch the Guardian in the UK.
One of the best take down pieces I’ve read in a long time. Awesome work Glenn. WaPo is truly disgusting.
I don’t feel that stunned, but remember, it was the Guardian that the government was threatening to, literally, shut down. (no British 4th amendment protection). The Guardian was forced to destroy hard-drives by the British government. So, despite the Washington Post being an obvious corporate tool. I would have expected that if it had to come from somewhere within the sphere of the Snowden reporting, such a journalistically disappointing and absurd editorial would come from the Guardian (in the same way they distance themselves from Wikileaks).
That Guardian is dead.It exists now in vampire form,a bloodthirsty enabler of Zionist,Isus ,Nato and US crimes.
Still have nice nature pics though!
Glenn:
Buried deep in the article is a comment that renders your argument basically irrelevant. If the editorial board is separate from the news organization, then why should they act as a singular unit? Does the editorial board decide what the newsroom reports? No. Also, just because the Washington Post got a Pulitzer from Snowden’s work doesn’t mean the board has to be servile advocates like you.
And instead of speculating on what the Wapo reporters think about the editorial, why not reach out to Bart Gellman, Ellen Nakashima, et al? Get your little Twitter fingers atwitter!
“renders your argument basically irrelevant”
Actually, it doesn’t . The Post is under one management. The fact that Glenn points out the dis-connect between the News Agency and the Editorial section is exactly the point.
The Post is trying to have it’s proverbial cake and eat it too. On the one hand, they reaped the benefits of Pulitzer while allowing the editorial page to damn the News Agency’s source.
But both staff’s report to one management structure. That’s why it’s intellectually dishonest at its very core. They are one unit with 2 sub-divisions.
Question 1: does the Editorial Board have any bearing on the reporting of the newsroom?
Answer: No. They don’t have a role in news coverage. From the Washington Post website:
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-posts-view/?utm_term=.e16fd6eb9b01
Question 2: Because a news entity receives an award based on its reporting from its source, does it mean everyone at that entity has to advocate for the source and agree with everything they did?
Answer: No! Having won awards shouldn’t drive your editorial board’s opinions. Bart Gellman did his thing (reporting on the contents) and now the editorial board is doing its (opining on the “pardon for Snowden” argument). Also 2 years have passed since the Washington Post won the award. There have been several reviews published on metadata and section 702 programs, court decisions, and other information to adapt and change peoples’ views.
As I showed earlier, the Post’s editorial section says: “News reporters and editors never contribute to editorial board discussions, and editorial board members don’t have any role in news coverage.” So when you say they’re under “one management structure,” Perhaps you can clarify because I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with this one unit with 2 subdivisions.
What the Washington Post is doing here is exercising editorial independence, and getting their asses ripped for it.
Thanks for your comments, Nate.
Divisions within corporations usually act independently. The GM of one division doesn’t affect the GM of another division. Right? And the Washington Post is a corporation and most likely has the same sorts of divisions. Companies divide up work into divisions. In manufacturing, these divisions are usually along product lines. But in a newspaper, these divisions are along their version of product lines. Division on Editorial, division on News Agency, division on advertising revenues, etc….
Sure, the editorial staff acts independently. Each division does there own work. But it’s all done under a management umbrella. In the end, it’s Jeff Beezos (current owner?) that runs the show.
I understand you comment on the editorial board, but in the end, all roads lead to Beezos. And the overall view in journalism is NOT to call whistleblowers criminals. That has been the journalistic standard forever.
It’s dishonest for Beezos and his management team to allow one division to lie to the public. I call it a lie because the WaPo News Agency has already decided that Snowden is a whistleblower since the published some of his documents.
Beezos, the responsible owner of WaPo sets the course just as any CEO. So, when WaPo start publishing Snowden material, it had already been decided by WaPo management (ie Beezos and his Vice Presidents) that Snowden was a whistleblower.
They are getting their asses ripped not for being independent, but for contradicting two things:
1. Contradicting prior acknowledgement by WaPo that Snowden is a whistleblower and not a criminal.
2. Stating the government’s position against Snowden when all evidence points to the contrary, including their own news agency.
Jay Rosen’s pieces on the effects of Sheldon Adelson’s buyout of the Review-Journal of Las Vegas are an exquisite illustration of how rapidly a media organization can be gutted of independent production.
http://pressthink.org/2016/01/journalists-as-hit-squad-connecting-the-dots-on-sheldon-adelson-the-review-journal-of-las-vegas-and-edward-clarkin-in-connecticut/
Anyone who thinks a so-called “firewall” means that no one need be observant of attempts to either scale and/or destroy it wholesale is either naive or fairly well marinated in authoritarianism with little to no critical thinking for seasoning.
Thanks
Thanks. Just finished reading the article. It was an interesting read. It was also funny to note how New Media Investment Group is structured like lots of REITs.
The public company New Media Investment Group is really nothing but a shell public company. I’ve worked within a structure like this. I didn’t realize it was used outside the real estate industry.
Very interesting, especially when you want to hide the real controllers of an organization.
Your intellectual argument hold no water. Public perception is EVERYTHING and the public’s opinion is overwhelming negative tword WaPa.
Weather you are right or wrong the public perception is set.
Yours is just an appeal to the masses. I explained my rationale.
And no, perceptions aren’t everything. Not even close.
It’s not what you perceive,it’s what you don’t perceive.
Wasn’t that a game show?
I don’t know where you’ve been the past couple of decades, Nate, but in that time the “assignment editor” has become a key feature of corporate newsrooms, selecting topics and assigning reporters (aka: ‘content producers’) to write specific stories.
This is a model lifted from the advertising/propaganda production world, epitomized by firms like the Rendon Group, creators of ’embedded’ PR that is designed to appear as ‘real news’, as seen in this blurb from a PR firm (source: thewordfactory.com)
The days of reporters hunting down leads and conducting investigations on their own, and then running those stories past editors and fact-checkers at the end of that process, are rapidly fading into history. This, among other reasons, is why American trust in the news media is at historic lows, according to Gallup, Sep 14, 2016:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx
I am obviously talking about the editorial board, not news editors. C’mon…
Weak sauce. If they are so concerned about this why aren’t they advocating the prosecution of their news arm, the ones that didn’t keep the information they received but rather disseminated to the world?
Talk about rendering an argument irrelevant.
Editorial boards are picked by the same new executives who decide who the news editors are, right? This whole ‘firewall’ notion seems like a lot of nonsense. Consider again the ‘assignment editor’ vs. the old tradition of the ‘beat reporter’ – what I’m saying is, top-down control of both the editorial board and the newsroom editors by media owners ensures a cooperation between the two as part of the organization’s overall agenda – which is not to deliver news so much as it is to deliver a unified propaganda perspective.
One of the classic examples how editorial and newsroom propaganda have aligned since 9/11 is the New York Times coverage of Iraqi WMD issues – Judith Miller and the newsroom printing lies about Iraqi WMDs on page one, and the editorial board pounding the same drum in the op-ed section:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/15/opinion/disarming-iraq.html
This is why media antitrust legislation and new rules about editorial and reporter independence are needed in the United States. Editors and reporters, for example, should be signed to fairly long-term contracts, to ensure independence from media owner manipulation of the news stream.
Wasn’t there a comedian with a satirical show who called the reporters stenographers?
That funny guy disappeared (morphed? )into an Obomba non interference silent comedian,like so many who made the shrub toast in those halcyon days of righteous indignation.
A bunch of 3 dollar bills.
Separated or not, this is still true:
And of course the reason they should act in a unified way is so that the WaPo does not look like it is run buy a gaggle of honking idiots. In any well run organization, someone above the “split” would be fired, along with a significant fraction of the editorial board, such as all of it.
I tend to also side with Gellman on Prism.
However, my post is focusing on “the firewall,” as Bart Gellman himself called it, between news and opinion.
…all the while ignoring the hypocrisy of calling for the prosecution of Snowden but not their own newsroom (that made the information public).
There, fixed it for you.
Pursuing the firewall argument seems like chasing down a non-sequitur.
If a retailer’s merchandising department chooses to assort and sell a particular product line, while their marketing/public affairs managers put out content on their customer facing blog that selling of said product line is unethical, immoral and criminal… isn’t that ultimately a judgement on their integrity as an institution? Shouldn’t the public regard that institution as flawed? They decide to reap the benefits of selling the product, but don’t even bother to mention their complicity because of… “firewall”… ?
WaPo is an institution selling a product. The actions their employees take, on the clock and under their banner, should representative of the integrity of the products they sell. Not acknowledging their own complicity is absurd.
I’m happy with the firewall description.
Having Bart Gellman say the same thing only strengthens it.
The problem with your analogy is intent. It isn’t the intention of a Department store PR to chime in on any personal qualms with the product. They are to market it. The purpose of the editorial board is to synthesize information and share opinions. If they believe, despite the Wapo reporting, that Snowden doesn’t deserve a pardon then that’s fair. What’s unfair is suggesting their should be a status quo since Snowden helped get their organization a Pulitzer.
You can regard the institution as flawed if you want but why drag down the reporters for the opinions of others!? That’s to ignore that a difference exists.
And I think several at the Post would bristle at your characterization of selling a product. What specifically is the “product.” Is the product simply the news? If so, you’re suggesting there be a unified front (aka one message) which is paying lip service to real opinion.
Now would I be pissed if I was Bart Gellman? Hell yes I would! But I am not going to sit here and pretend to be upset that an editorial board shared an opinion, even if I don’t agree with it. Many here are asking for subservience to sources. The editorial board doesn’t owe Snowden any favors.
Firewalls are a mythical construct easily subverted by management in corporate America.
News is absolutely a “product”… and fewer and fewer are willing to buy it from many formerly trusted media outlets… and more and more are aware the product is often tainted.
Your ranting, even though supported by some delusional or intentionally misleading journalists who need to defend the construct to maintain the appearance of ethical professionalism (job security) , reminds me of the defenders of the supposed firewalls between analysts and traders at investment banks or at the ratings agencies in mid 2007.
You may recall they crumbled in the name of profit and fraud too.
Of course, in this case, it’s unclear if the profit is advancing an ideology or securing government contracts.
The firewall concept is essentially self-policing, and the public should be wary.
Throw in the source of the defense here, and readers should be warier still.
No offence.
As usual, your comment is inane on multiple levels. Oneof them is that immediately above the WaPo editorial is a line solely reading “The Post’s View.”
Funny how your link involves a Post reporter making the exact same point as me. I guess I am in company with other inane” people. Mona, you are simply intolerant of other peoples’ views. And weren’t you “ignoring” me?
Pointing to the fact that they call their editorial board’s pieces “The Post’s View” to bolster your argument is just an excuse for those too ignorant to differentiate reporting from opinion/editorial.
Yes, Nate, as you well know, I ignore you some 90-95% of the time and have never said it was always. This is within that 5-10% of the time I do not — because it was so easy to debunk you, given that the editorial itself announces it is The Post’s View.
A refutation this clear-cut cannot entail getting entangled in your endless casuistry — which is not a good use of my time and energy.
This is just sickening. The Post is taking a cowardly, post-emptive stance against any blow back from being an outlet that published the information, now that the issue is back on the front burner with release of the movie, “Snowden.” That these backtrackers call themselves guardians of the public trust is laughably inaccurate and pathetic.
Situations like this have had me wondering for years what’s being taught in our journalism schools, and who’s teaching it. Where are journalists with such a pro-government, anti-information stance coming from? They may be coming from the vaunted halls of our institutions of higher learning. Many state colleges and universities are now partners with corporate America, using our publicly funded research centers to help private companies develop their products. The controversial president of the University of Iowa has no background whatsoever in education, he being all business. This has resulted in the U of I being sanctioned for a flawed presidential search that gave all the appearances of a dirty deal, conducted specifically to jettison the U’s 160+ years of emphasis on the liberal arts, replacing it with a pro-business/government mentality at the expense of becoming just another tool of corporate America, funded in large part by the American taxpayer. Sadly, it seems to be the wave of the present…
Gee, first time to watch a newspaper commit suicide….
Take a look at the comments from the WaPo article on the WaPo website. Every single one of them is VERY negative against the paper. Would love to see Robin Mead talking about this on HLN in the morning…
No surprise. WaPo is Clinton News Central, and the Clintons are against whistleblowers in general and Snowden in particular.
Ain’t enough guillotines in the whole world for all these lying goatf*cks, man
The rapid news cycle has/is training people (by default or design?) to forget what was said or done in the past and to just concentrate on what we say in the here and now.
Kudos for helping to point out and document the hypocrisy of an organization that is not honest or brave enough to acknowledge that it has become part of a State Run system of propaganda networks.
The events at Fox news show just how far reporters will go to get and keep a job. (can you blame them in today’s economy?) If reporters can bottle their journalistic scruples enough to work at Faux News…then they’ve demonstrated a lack of principle that will allow them to work almost anywhere. I don’t expect any mass resignation at the Wpost.
Reporters at Fox and Wpost aren’t naive anti-establishment crusaders. Most of them are nine-to-five corporate employees most interested in career advancement and feeding their families. A typical reporter’s biggest concern is surviving the next round of job cuts.
I couldn’t agree more with your points. Last time I checked, Snowden couldn’t publish anything in any of these outlets, they have staff and editors and owners that determine what gets published.
The way I see it, we owe Snowden a great debt of gratitude for his courage to do what he did. This is such a sad time for our country and I am ashamed to be associated with it.
Thank you for speaking up.
Snowden is a traitor and should be tried as such.
Are we going to reward crack dealers next because they did things to America too. Seriously, NO. You want a pardon do some prison time first then wait your turn like everyone else. Or is giving China and Russia are secrets special?
The issue here is rank hypocrisy on the part of the WaPo – can you really not see that?
Why do I get the sense that the Wpost may have to wait their turn for their next national security leak???
….Did you hear? They’ve made a new “All the president’s men”…I’ve got the script:
Deep Throat – Psssst…Woodward and Bernstein…I’ve got secret informa….
WashPost – Whoa! Whoa! Let us stop you right there. Does Nixon know you are speaking to us?
Deep Throat – What? Well no, of course not..but there’s been illegal…
WashPost – Stop, before we continue, we need to inform you that our new owner is going to call for you to spend the rest of your life in prison…now go on.
Deep Throat – Nah, you’re alright. It wasn’t important anyway. Say…you don’t happen to know which parking garage Greenwald hangs out in do you?
Yet another fuckwit spewing falsehoods:
No one implicated in the Snowden disclosures did that. The closest was Snowden’s showing journalists with the South China Morning Post documents demonstrating the NSA’s hacking into hundreds of computers in Hong Kong and mainland China, including the Chinese University of Hong Kong. And nothing at all to Russian journalists.
Well, I think Clapper should be charged (for lying to the SSIC in a public hearing… among other things.) and given a proper hearing … first!
*before you send him off to jail on spurious cracked-up ‘crack dealer’ charges!
Fair is fair.
quote”Are we going to reward crack dealers next because they did things to America too.”
Get a grip, halfwit.
quote”Or is giving China and Russia are secrets special?”unquote
Says one who’s still stuck on page 1 of Homonyms for Dummys… after giving up on Tying Shoes for Morons.
>quote”Are we going to reward crack dealers next because they did things to America too.”
Get a grip, halfwit.”
Given that the architects of the NSA mass surveillance program would love to implement China-style censorship of the Internet here in the United States, I think it’s clear Snowden did all American citizens a favor by blowing their cover. Or do you, like GW Bush, think the Constitution of the United States is “just a piece of paper”?
And as far as your “crack dealers”, don’t you know that HSBC, who laundered billions in drug cartel money, got nothing but a fine and a slap on the wrist for doing so when exposed? Lorretta Lynch rolled over for them, James Comey sat on their board to advise them, so why don’t we give Snowden a similar ‘deferred prosecution agreement’ and some community service time? He could teach disadvantaged kids how to code or something like that; that would be the equivalent to the HSBC punishment.
Untrue,he gave the info to GG and his people not Russia or China.
Are you not aware our government leaks like a sieve?
An unsecured insecure nation most definitely outclassed by foreign individuals like Assange,Guccifer whomever,and I’m sure the Chinese and Russians know US enough from our actions,and I’m also sure that whatever they hack,they will keep private,as they know the zionists would make hay with it
Only they can spy at will on US,and be cheered for the effort!
It is a big mistake to assume that the Washington Post or
any of the other “leading” media outlets is really concerned
about the privacy of citizens or any other individuals.
Like the two corporate owned “leading’ political party fakers,
the words they use, as often as not, are mainly a way to
deceive the majority of people into believing that the rights and
security of the majority are of concern to these corporate privateers.
The only privacy which they really want to protect is that
of the extreme minority of the extremely rich and their
private profits “government.”
The WAPO and the other parts of the corporate owned machinery
of the faking U$A need the majority of people
(who are told they need to believe they are “exceptional”)
to see the release of revelatory information about the corrupt
deviousness of the corporate empire as if having knowledge
of what goes on in privatized schemes is a threat
to the majority of people. Knowledge is the enemy.
This behavior by the WAPO is another expression of contempt for
(what the corporate empire sees as)
their lessors.
The Wall Street-Washington Post and its co-conspiring class warriors
need to convince their victims that they are protecting them
when they are putting more chains on them.
I’m going to ramble a bit here….
What does this all make me think of? Remember when the Washington Post ran 16 anti Bernie Sanders articles in one day:
From Fair(dot)org:
And in a week when all it takes to make fools out of the American government “intel” committee is a few tweets from Snowden:
These are sad days for American journalism. “Why are we held in such low esteem????” They ask.
Some readers are asking a different question: “why is so much bullshit coming out of the media?… Don’t we get enough lies from Trump and Clinton???”
I’m of the view that, you don’t run 16 anti Sanders articles in one day if you are interested in reporting the news. You run 16 anti Sanders articles if you are interested in destroying Sanders as a political force.
And then, in the wake of an “intelligence committee” report, that was demolished by Snowden in a few tweets…and by Barton Gellman of the Washington Post:
from TCF(dot)org:
It’s not like, the WP, if they were looking for rational support for their decision to publish NSA material , they couldn’t have gotten it from Snowden and Gellman.
Of course, when you are a multibillion dollar corporation, as is the owner of the WPost, you can do with it as you please, if it pleased them to turn the Post into the new Playboy magazine…they could do it. What pleases the owners of the WPost is to support the people who support the corporations (Clinton and Trump) and demonize the people who challenged that (Sanders and Snowden).
I was surprised to find out that a multibillion dollar corporation uses so much pirated non licensed software in their automated warehouses.
What happens between the NSA revelations by the washington post, and the editorial calls for Snowden’s prosecution?
Jeff Bezos bought the post for 250 millions.. Let’s not forget Amazon web service is the leader in cloud storage. 600 governmental agencies are among its clients, including CIA/NSA. The CIA’s deal is worth 600 millions. Amazon’s architecture is suppose to make sure that a new snowden could not emerge though compartmentalised data access, but better avoid by rising public pressure on whistle-blowers.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-details-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632/
Favorite section from that article:
Really. . . but the people who approved this contract at the CIA can look forward to lucrative multimillion-dollar jobs with Amazon after ‘retirement’, and that’s probably the main factor in this deal.
This is interesting, too:
Doesn’t this look exactly like the objectives for the DARPA Total Information Awareness programs proposed back in 2001?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/405707/the-total-information-awareness-project-lives-on/
And Snowden’s revelations threaten the funding train for this mass surveillance program . . . no wonder corporate-government PR mouthpieces like WaPo want him prosecuted.
The spy information is stored “in the cloud” for a reason.
Why?
“Friends of Bill” get to read it. Ever heard of Insider Trading?? Extrapolate.
Look at KPCB board of directors. (kpcb.com) That should explain everything.
That’s what I was thinking of, that TIA program called, what was it, “Evidence Extraction and Link Discovery”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Information_Awareness
So if you were monitoring all insider communications in say, the pharmaceutical industry, you could then call your broker up and sell or buy to make a killing in the stock market – and, as you say, if you had independent access to the NSA repository via the “cloud”, you wouldn’t have to go through some NSA analyst. Clever monkeys. Karl Rove’s wish finally coming true?
In short, I can’t say it any better than this:
Cloud Computing is for Airheads (the clueless)
OR
Communists (these know EXACTLY what they are doing.)
All these “valueable” multi-billion dollar valuation cloud companies give away use of their system(s) for free?????
Advertising makes that much money???? NO. In fact, if you noticed, the ads hosted for one service on one site has corresponding ads on the ‘other’ site to the ‘corresponding’ site. QUID PRO QUO = 1 = 1.
FYI, it’s best to think of it this way: “The Cloud” gives these people the power of the “All Knowing God.”
FURTHERMORE, look at the history of the Third Reich. How did the Nazi’s come to power? ANSWER: After the Beer Hall Putsch, Nazi’s formed a national and international network of advertising agencies. Why? Intel.
I prefer Gilligan’s Island’s episode featuring the magic ‘sunflower’ seeds that enabled all the castaways to read each others mind. In the end, Gilligan burned the bush that grew them.
PS…. Why do you think virtually all the ISPs blocked the email protocol, SMTP (port 25), by default by 2003???
ANSWER: To force you to use “public” email that they could spy on.
Can it be this simple?
“You nailed it”.
It’s also worth noting that their article proudly proclaims “The Post’s view” above the headline, making it very clear that this isn’t merely an opinion piece. Without the context of what they did before, I wouldn’t be surprised at all that they take the side of the establishment. But holy shit – They published the fucking articles that revealed the actions they now condemn. Great piece, Glenn.
Actually there is nothing to prevent prosecution of the Washington Post editorial board. They received classified information and published it and now they say it was without public interest. Are the same editors at the Post, because this appears to be an admission of guilt to the Editorial board committing a felony.
To be fair Mr Greenwald, this WP article was written in Jun 2013.
It has since fallen unto new ownership, Jeff Bezos, who bought the WP directly after securing a $600 million dollar CIA contract for Amazon, and after attending his first Bilderberg Meeting. All things happening a month apart.
Ready to do some Big Picture reporting Intercept?
Get me somewhere secure, let me explain not only our the secret government works, but how it is ultimately controlled by some highly influential foreign interests, and watch the sparks fly.
This is game changing material and I need the very best to help me expose it.
My revelations are a blueprint on how to defeat “Them”.
You guys are soooo close, closer than anyone to exposing this.
You all just need to brush up on your history and apply it to the present.
The Crusaders element to the War on Terror is no fluke.
Having 15 of our last Supreme Court nominees all being Roman Catholic/ Roman Jewish is no coincidence.
The CIA Directorship being a Knight of Malta/Roman Catholic/Jesuit alumni revolving door is not just a bunch of crazy random happenstances.
I am Neo and I see the Matrix code and you guys have to see this too because it is the whole enchilada. My revelations do more damage than Snowden’s and WikiLeaks various leaks all combined. Mr Snowden and Julian Assange both have some free time on their hands, I need audience with them to educate them both on the Holy Roman Empire and how they used the secret societies to control things after their forced abdication 200 short years ago.
My research is going to put both in harms way.
Snowden is NOT safe in Moscow. The only reason he is safe right now is because everyone is falling for the dog and pony show still. Putin is not anti-NWO, he only plays that role. Putin is Old World Order and the Old World Order are the ones ultimately behind the New World Order. It sounds conspiratorial, but it is all researched, sourced and backed by history.
Learn the Baconian Method of investigating and look into this rabbit hole in your spare times. It shouldn’t take you long to see the proof. Re-examine everything. The assassination attempts on Reagan and Pope John Paul II were an attempted coup. Find out what happened to Jesuit Superior General Pedro Arrupe after the attempt on Pope JPII failed and what JPII did after, the measures he took to reign in the Jesuits. And remember, Pope John Paul I only survived 33 days into his pontificate.
I am a juggernaut of Truth, just waiting to be unleashed.
I served in the USMC during 9/11, I am an American patriot that deserves a little bit of attention when I say “I have the solution”. Simply exposing them and their method of control, is enough to make it end.
I am not a religious person, but the Holy Roman Empire is the 7 headed beast that wears 10 crowns. It is “The Establishment”. Hillary Clinton is the Representative of “The Establishment”. #Pay2play is prostitution. Donald Trump is the Final Trumpet. My name is Eric F East and I am a prophet telling people the strategy to win. I am the Feast of Trumpets.
I was doing this Bernie or Trump strategy long before I realized God was giving us signs to prevent the Rapture. That little bird that flew up to Bernie was a Finch. It represents joy and positivity, and it came at the peak of the joy in one of the most positive of environments. It also represents the vulnerability of nature. If Hillary wins she does 8 years. The world will pass the breaking point and there will be no going back. The earth will scorch.
That little bird also pooped on a Jesuit educated journalists laptop, few people got that part of the story. But these things have a way of revealing themselves to me. She took a picture, posted it to Twitter and said “Magical moment? Not so magical when they poop on your computer!” I beg to differ. It made it more magical being it looked you dead in the eyes and pooped a perfect “explamation point” right after Bernie’s headlined name on your screen! Plus you are Jesuit educated and had a negative attitude, that is why it singled you out. The Jesuit thing just made it more magical for me.
The Anthrax in the Anthrax Attacks was made in Building 470 aka the Anthrax Tower on Ft Detrick. I am the real deal Holyfield. KROLL bought out ONTRACK, Convar’s leading competitor to make certain data didn’t slip past “Them” again. This is all my work. Jack the Ripper was Sir Arthur IGNATIUS Conan Doyle, aka Sherlock Holmes. I am so awesome it hurts. Sir Francis Bacon wrote all the works of Shakespeare. Okay, now I am just showing off. I discovered Supermassive Black Holes existed at the center of every universe before science did. Impressed yet? Unlike science, I can explain what caused them. Ooooooo…. what if?
All these things and I am living in a fucking trailer on the border of sanity because I am the only one living in this reality where I actually know who the powers that be are and I see through 99% of all dog and pony shows.
Just a heads up, “They” are, or were, putting out advanced propaganda of a potential WWIII. I beg the Intercept to do a story in regards to Euractiv’s anonymously sourced stories of US moving nukes from Turkey to Romania in a possible showdown with Russia.
I am fighting a 1 man Crusade here and I am starting to wear down.
Get this information into the right hands and get me somewhere with a team of researchers, historians, editors, hackers and everything in between.
Don’t leave me hanging America.
John Lennon said if 1 of us has a peaceful solution for #OurRevolution,
then we need to be heard out. And it will take me days to adequately explain it without it all sounding random. The Supermassive Black Hole thing, that isn’t connected, but it shows I am getting my information from a higher power because I am not exactly Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking. They were caused by the initial matter that exploded in the Big Bang and left tunnels through Dark Matter that surrounds our universe. We live inside the gaseous expansion of said explosion. Eventually the expansion will slow, come to a stop, and then reverse direction. Big Bang, Big Crunch, Big Bang, Big Crunch…. it is a never ending cycle.
This came to me in a dream-like state. I had 6 cups of coffee and got the thought stuck in my head and couldn’t get it out, couldn’t sleep. I came to my revelation and sent out my initial message to a science journal saying to look for Supermassive Black Holes in the center of spiral galaxies. Lo and behold science makes the discovery weeks later. No credit for me. But the joke is on them because they still haven’t figured out what caused them because I kept that portion to myself, and it’s been like 12 or 13 years.
And if you did not get my Hillary is a “Representative of the Holy Roman Empire”…. that was tongue in cheek for Hillary is the Whore of Babylon, and the Empire is Babylon. There was the 17 year return of the locust here in the Midwest where I live not long after Berdie in Portland. I didn’t see it at the time. Then there was the flooding in Louisiana around the time of the DNC convention. Then 323 reindeer were struck by lighting in the Netherlands. Don’t think we are supposed to celebrate Christmas this year, but that’s just me. They answered gods call and were willing to sacrifice themselves to send us a signal about needing to preserve nature. The Native Americans are answering the call and fighting the Land Beast, the underground serpent that poisons our waters and lands. We have to stand with #StandingRock.
And if we want to #BringBernieBack we have to tell the DNC….
it’s Bernie or Trump.
We can use Trump as a weapon. We do not have the votes to sway the election for Jill, not even close. We don’t even have enough for Johnson and he has nearly 3 times the support as Jill. Jill would have to drop out of the race and Gary would have to take her as his VP, that is the only way, by combining their votes instead of splitting them. But she is not willing to do that, so our only option is to say we will vote Trump if they do not stop their attempts at forcing Hillary through when she didn’t even win in the first place.
Now God has given us yet another opportunity and cast an 80th level weakness spell on Hillary, afflicting her with something an 80th levelCure Disease can not cure. Campaigns are tough no doubt, but we all know how much a presidency ages a person. If she tries serving 8 years…. I can’t even imagine what she would look like in 2024. A female version of the Emperor from Revenge of the Sith comes to mind, right after being twisted from his confrontation with Mace Windu, but perhaps with a Vader-like breathing apparatus to keep her coughing fits in check.
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson’s ghosts say listen to me, I know what I am talking about, even though I crack jokes and I mix pop culture references, but that is just to make the information easier to swallow. My research will blow everyone’s minds. I can only give it in small doses. All of this, is just sample sizes in a wide variety. I have thus far been a 1 man army of Truth, I need 3 new horsemen/horeswomen that will ride through a hell and back via the largest rabbit hole ever discovered. Everything is connected from Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, Jesuits, Zionists, the Masonry, the Illuminati, and even this TPP BS, which once again makes the Empire’s corporations untouchable by local laws(See Hanseatic League).
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Never forget the criminal conspiracy of our national security agencies when they essentially “shanghaied” NON-GOVERNMENTAL U.S. citizens inside the United States.
In other words several government agencies tried to portray non-governmental U.S. citizens as government employees that had security clearances and that worked for government agencies. By portraying these non-consenting citizens essentially as government property – they then quasi falsely imprisoned them for 15 years using “employment tampering” and electronic censorship (aka: CoinTelPro/Operation Chaos. They effectively fooled federal judges for 15 years, judges were complicit in the false imprisonment also.
Motive: Shanghai private citizens to steal inventions and other intellectual property. Essentially classifying information that didn’t belong to them, then imprisoning the inventor or creator.
Basically think of the Snowden case, but a private citizen that never had a security clearance and never waived their Bill of Rights – witness to government actions from being the crime victim.
Given all the uproar on this, I imagine it’d make sense if Glenn Greenwald were to contact the editor(s) of the Wash Post with an offer to write a brief Op-Ed crystallizing the views and the argument that he espouses here — but this with the stipulation that no editing be allowed without obtaining his prior point-by-point consent. Somehow, given his high profile, I can’t imagine the WP would outright decline the offer. But then, were they to do so, reporting just that would make a fine postscript to this GG polemic. (P.S. Might Margaret Sullivan lend a hand in brokering such?)
are you for or against freedom of speech and a free press? I can’t tell by your oddly worded post.
That seems fair – offer Glenn an opportunity to write a response to their ignorant drivel.
However, in perusing the BTL comments of the WaPo editorial, it’s slap-dab full of links to this Greenwald article … proving once again where there’s a will, there’s a way.
*p.s. Margaret Sullivan was (formally) the NYT public editor … so I doubt she has any pull with these WaPo boneheads.
For the so-called “Law & Order” types: if Snowden should be criminally prosecuted, so should Cheney and the other Bush officials that committed felonies, violated binding international treaties and violated all forms of decency in their human rights abuses. Telecom CEOs and board members also committed felonies with warrantless wiretapping and Congress illegally passed “ex post facto” laws to make their past felonies legal.
Just this week I asked my GOP Congressman, also a Tea Party member, to pardon Edward Snowden. His response was that he broke the law and must be held accountable for his lawbreaking – so why not the Bush criminals? Why not the telecom criminals?
In a nutshell, Snowden exposed leaders and officials that perceived themselves as being above the law and above the Constitution. It’s curious that the “Law & Order” folks don’t want to prosecute the bigger criminals Snowden uncovered.
Indeed. Look at the reception given to James Clapper by the intelligence community. Of course, most members of Congress are not prosecuting those who lied to them (including HRC), while the only official who might be facing impeachment (John Koskinen) may have told the truth, at least about the alleged “targeting”. (The IRS was simply obeying federal laws, while the only group denied funds was an Occupy group.)
Another ingredient to throw in the blender.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/op-ed-why-obama-should-pardon-edward-snowden/?comments=1
Grind, mix and blend them all together, let the batch cure until late November keeping the temperature low to prevent unwanted results and then extrude a pardon that will tempt the palate of almost everyone.
OOPS. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/op-ed-why-obama-should-pardon-edward-snowden/
Are the stories of a CIA takeover of the media true after all?
They don’t seem to pledge allegiance to the people, the constitution nor any journalistic charter.
Thanks for this article and all the work you do. I am not an America citizen but this is of as much importance to me as a global citizen.
Thank you to Snowden and all other heroes who sacrifice their own life and threaten their freedom to convey information to the rest of the world. Even if their importance is not fully appreciated in their time of life I am sure it will be.
I can’t believe the double standards of The Washington Post, claiming Snowden should be prosecuted. He surrendered the material to the journalists for choosing that of greatest importance for the public. They know this! They know exactly how important and ethical his actions were, but they are running errends for the government as usual. I am right now reading ‘So wring for so long’ with Greg Mitchell on how the media fails to service the public, fails to tell the truth, fails to see two sides and deliberatly misleads the public in service of the government or whoever pays them or does any other service for them.
I have also read a lot of Noam Chomsky on classified material and I think we all, every citizen of the world and every citizen of all countries should think about why authorities and governments work in the dark. Why they have mislead us to believe they must do that. I really really believe we are mislead on that and I believe those who work for it’s citizen’s should do it in full light. That which operates in the dark, will missuse it’s power and abuse it’s authority.
Does the Washington Post routinely disclose that their owner Jef Bezos as the largest shareholder and CEO of Amazon has a 600 Mio. USD contract with all the intelligence agencies (apart from other large AWS contracts for government institutions? http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-details-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632/
Great article, Glenn. But where’s a Greenwald rant about the arrest warrant for Amy Goodman and maybe some other journalists covering the DAPL? Sounds like one is needed…
Good point. I would like to see that article as well. Here’s to hoping that the Intercept will do the right thing. Of course the MSM has done it’s best to ignore what is happening in North Dakota, and as Amy Goodman and Democracy Now gets illegally shafted by the criminals of North Dakota gubmint then the MSM will shed those crocodile tears along with singing dirges, or perhaps paeans, to the 1st Amendment. However, I suspect there will be lots of smug self congratulatory BS from the corrupt, criminal MSM.
WP: an institution that became an establishment’s lackey, a warmongering presstitute .. It’s good news to see them dragging their own face in the mud.
Hopefully, more deception masks will be shed, and the crappy regime behind them will not far off down the sewer.
LOL at the arrow in the picture of the pulitzer prize
They’ve just killed off anonymous sources going to US newspapers – at least mainstream ones owned by large corporate conglomerates – because any evidence the source gives is going to wind up at the prosecutor’s office, and they’ll have the full cooperation of the Post – and presumably the other mainstream press – in screwing over their sources totally and absolutely. Whistleblowers would have to be either insane or suicidal to go to these rags; they’ll just become rewrite men for corporate and government press releases/propaganda. People should no more read their nonsense than watch TV and think that it’s an accurate representation of reality. The WaPo should be thoroughly denounced and ostracized for this little caper, but even that won’t fix things.
Footnote: Check out the lyrics to the Rush 2112 album. Why? Deja Vu
The album was released in 1976. Read they Lyrics. Influenced by Ayn Rand and Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.
What did the authors know? In PART:
We’ve taken care of everything
The words you read, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It’s one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why
In part, We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls
This is an amazing article, thank you for covering this. I feel like I’m just now become conscious…at nearly 30!
Bravo GG
These so-called watch-dogs (washpost/nytimes etc.) have become lap-dogs of american imperialism.
Appreciate your efforts in attempting to bring `sense and sensibility´and truthfullness back into journalism.
Mm
Well done, Glen. The Founding Father’s would be applauding right now.
Glenn, thank you for being one of the scant few actual investigative journalists amongst a sea of slave puppet talking heads doing their owner’s bidding.
Cowardice? Dishonesty? No. This is a major part of the corporate propaganda machine. The New York Times is also, but you should never expect these propagandists to do the right thing. The people who run these papers are business people and propagandists, not journalists.
There is nothing wrong with your thinking. Do not attempt to adjust your understanding. We are now controlling the message, we control the horizontal and the vertical. We can deluge you with a thousand ideas or expand one single idea to crystal clarity… and beyond. We can shape your vision to anything our imagination can conceive. For the rest of your life we will control all that you see and hear.
God I love that! It resonates deeply into my childhood. The Outer Limits. I wish I knew who you were.
I couldn’t agree more with this article. They ought to return the Pulitzer Prize and give it to some organization more worthy of this distinction. They are a national and journalistic disgrace.
Distinction, that’s funny. Google Pulitzer prize and read about its history. It’s a prize for propaganda, a.k.a. yellow journalism.
Distinction. You should really Google and look up the Wikipedia page on Pulitzer prize and the man that started it. It’s a prize for the best propaganda.
I do not think that we could see something like that happening anywhere but in the US of Barack Obama where all the whistleblowers are considered traitors while they have shown the courage of heroes
SNOWDEN’S ONLY CRIME — He didn’t participate in a “sweet conspiracy” to make the psychopathic boss look good… the Official SIGINT policy.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3008441…
(U) The Bald Truth: The Sweet Conspiracy FROM: Charles H. Berlin III SID Chief of Staff Run Date: 11/14/2003
(U) But I today want to talk about targeting your boss for success. Yes, that’s right, your boss. Unfortunately, our cynical nature has branded working hard for the boss as automatically some kind of sycophantic, self-promoting evil. While every organization has its share of suck-ups, we really need to allow the boss some prerogatives to chart the future, and accept our responsibility to work hard to achieve that vision. Let’s develop a sweet conspiracy to make the boss (and the organization) look good. This will be more important as you mature and you are able to see the boss’s shortcomings. It is always a shock when you finally figure out the boss is human and trying hard to make up for his weaknesses – sometimes by covering them up, sometimes with a bit of bluster and sometimes with denial. A good subordinate should conspire to fill the gaps. In my case it takes a village to get together and cover my personal weaknesses (ask my front office!), but there is nothing wrong with getting the gang together and figuring out how to support the boss. Give it a try
“Having basked in the glory of awards and accolades, and benefited from untold millions of clicks, the editorial page editors of the Post now want to see the source who enabled all of that be put in an American cage and branded a felon. ”
Seriously cheeky eh!
Now it is palpable isn’t it… the resurgence of US (and the Brits?) colonialism… the military power. The USA is taking over the world and will quash any puny mortal of any color who dares stand in the way of US global domination… but only after “Having basked in the glory of awards and accolades, and benefited…” This was routine procedure since the early days of colonization.
It (the sick as in mental USA) will strip Snowden of his dignity, his resources, his individuality, his identity, and reward him with his own private room, with super strong iron bars… just like the native Americans, the Puerto Ricans, the Hawaiians, the Samoans, The Philippines, The Virgin Islands, Guam, The Mariana Islands, Micronesia, Marshall Island, Palau, Alaska.
The sweet USA will be aghast… they won’t be able to live with themselves. More disorders and depression will follow (yes… including and especially for the ‘It’ crowd because humans are basically good). That translates to US citizens with more mental/psychological/social disorders from anxiety and too much dissonance. They, the sweet USA, belong to the peace, love, and groovy live and let live save the earth crowd.
This, our American mass dementia (greatly aided by toxicants per executive, spy, and military orders)… it is all our compromised leaders faults. And because our peerless leaders are all educated… ultimately, it becomes Academia’s fault. But you see, we cannot blame Academia either, can we, because Academia is also ailing… sick.
Why is Academia sick? Because they have perpetuated the lie for so long.
Which lie is that? The Post Colonial Era is a lie. The Long Con. The USA, like Great Britain, never stopped being an active colonizer. It just modernized and evolved styles of conquest.
Well? How does it feel? The USA, our land of the free, as the foremost, the active aggressive colonizer of our millennium? Whether you agreed to it or not… when the USA is talked about, they are talking about you, the control freaky Colonizer You. Cheeky, eh.
I can’t help but wonder just how the rest of the WAPO news staff are feeling right now and what that is going to mean for their future there, should they remain at WAPO or will they move elsewhere something I would heartily advocate.
Clearly, the Washington Post news staff should report (on page one) the news – that the editorial staff of their paper has adumbrated – if not actually stated – that the news staff should be charged with the same “crimes” committed by Snowden. They should then report their mass resignation, taking with them their well deserved Pulitzer.
I went to Journalism school after watching All The Presidents Men at the age of 13. I’ve been hooked on The Show ever since. Though I never finished my degree, I am completely destroyed over the election cycle & Obama. This reminds me of Gary Webb and The Los Angeles Times. I’m sure It has nothing to do with living the United States of Corporations.
Maybe you should have finished th rf program as you seemed ignorant to Obama and laws regarding espionage, etc,. In the USofA.
The systemic “control freak” syndrome is an epidemic among corporations. It is a virtual psychosis with the delusion that corporations cannot be replaced, people can. Couple that with the fear of death that gives the corporopaths a disturbing need for predictability which manifests as the control freak syndrome.
we are expendable.
Your observation and honesty is refreshing. My one bi question is, on the scale of togetherness, are we closer to a collection of individuals or an insect colony.
I believe you mean the San Jose Mercury News.
P.S. There may be a prior example of this kind of behavior by a major American newspaper, the New York Times, related to one of their sources on Iraqi WMD claims, Scooter “Germ Boy” Libby (pardoned by President Bush).
First, this from the NYT,
Source:The Miller Case: A Notebook, a Cause, a Jail Cell and a Deal, NYTimes, Oct. 16, 2005
Then, we have this, the NYTimes calling for the prosecution of their source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/opinion/06wed2.html
“Editorial: Jail Time for Scooter Libby”
There is a caveat: Scooter “Germ Boy” Libby was a dishonest source who fed Judith Miller a line of BS about Iraqi nuclear, chemical and biological weapons (not that she or her editors bothered to fact-check those claims). So perhaps he doesn’t quite qualify as a prior example. He did, however, get his presidential pardon. Isn’t that curious?
“Scooter “Germ Boy” Libby (pardoned by President Bush).”
Libby had his sentence commuted. No pardon for Scooter, the outer; he is still a convicted felon.
Here, this story is good for a few laughs, I think:
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39968/martin-baron-spotlight-washington-post/
“Is Martin Baron [ Washington Post ] the Best News Editor of All Time?”
Yes, and then we throw our source under the bus. . . lovely.
There’s nothing ” warped” about that, it’s just typical happenings in America . Stupid humans lol why are we so stupid ?
it’s a matter of schooling; training vs education. Our individuality in schooling is not nutured. Only a focus on the arts will change that. Also, bombardment with advertising doesn’t help. It’s not that we’re stupid, we’re just not given the freedom to use our heads in the most important aspects of self destiny and independence. And for adults, that is a problem of economics.
If WaPo’s reasoning is that the publication of the Snowden materials constitutes a criminal act or violation for which Snowden should be punished, then that reasoning would also seem to suggest that WaPo is a willing participant in criminal activity.
Perhaps they should turn themselves in to the FBI.
Where the hell is Elizabeth Warren when we need her the most?!
Seems like an understatement. WaPo is the publisher. Who’s more responsible for publication than the publisher?
Last seen with Bernie, campaigning for $hillary, in Ohio.
Publisher
One could make the argument that since Snowden left the documents in their possession to ascertain which documents should be published, that WaPo is solely responsible.
After all, if they feel making them public is a crime, shouldn’t they have returned them to the USG?
Yes, definitely intellectual dishonesty to find them offensive AFTER they published them.
Journalists against transparency, indeed. Just do the propaganda, just like journalists in China are required to do.
Nothing worse than journalists who don’t believe in freedom of the press.
No surprise. Bezos = numbskull. Worse than Dan Snyder.
Maybe someone should make a US Journalists Against Transparency website that prominently features a list of its members: USJAT.org is available.
Good. Or, maybe: Stenographic Toadies for Access and Social Inclusion (STASI).
What do people think of Oliver Stone’s contention that the DNC hack was an inside job?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_xTb0Tt3GY
That Seth Rich was murdered in retaliation
Curiouser and curiouser. Here Stone is answering more questions about the leak, while also revealing that he intends to vote for Jill Stein (Yay!).
‘Snowden’ Director Oliver Stone On Hawaii’s NSA Whistleblower
Oops – format problems above: The unbolded bit starting “It’s a very risky game..” and ending “I don’t buy that” are not the interviewer’s words as it appears, but Stone still talking. Take a look at the whole interview – it’s all interesting, and properly formatted…
I think it’s very likely, particularly if some juicy stuff comes out from after the original hacks began. If people are sick and tired of seeing corruption around them on a regular basis, they have no choice but to find some way to either get out or stop it. Who knows? As Snowden has been followed by an anonymous NSA whistleblower who has leaked stuff, the original leaker or hacker may be followed by others. (I hope so!
Washington Post has inadvertently lifted the veil of corporatocracy for a brief moment. Don’t look too close at the rotting corpse of democratic institutions, you are likely to feel sick!
Disgusting behavior on the part of WaPo. I have said before, I don’t take it seriously, it being such a toadie for the federal government party line and being owned by Jeff Bezos: this calling for Snowden’s head is just another nail in the coffin for me.
The Intercept is one of the last journals NOT in bed with the Clintons. It’s foul and tells you what’s really going on in this world. They want to prosecute him because they are puppet media. This is exactly like the USSR.
Knowingly writing to shape the future of journlistic possibily, this piece will be brilliant to teach people with. Thanks for exposing the paradox of The Post’s logic.
The role of an editorial board is to pull the rug out from under its reporters. Reporters are only human, and when they cover a particular beat extensively, come to see themselves as subject matter experts. They may even start to develop their own opinions. For example, here is Barton Gellman stating:
The Washington Post editorial board has properly put him in his place by dismissing this concern. They haven’t demanded that Mr. Gellman be arrested, but they have made it clear he stepped out of line. They will probably give him a second chance, as he was no doubt being manipulated. A source such as Mr. Snowden knows how to cleverly play on the ego of a reporter, and tempt them into revealing all sorts of things that the general public has no business knowing.
I also don’t agree with those saying the Washington Post should return its Pulitzer Prize. Even though the prize may have been tainted, since it was awarded for revealing things better left unknown, it will still help to impress the readers. They will believe the Post was diligently unearthing information for their benefit. Since it is too late for the readers to unlearn what has been revealed to them, returning the Pulitzer at this point would do no good. So the Post might as well hang on to the goodwill the prize has earned them. It may even encourage the government to reward them by continuing their prized insider status, allowing them to faithfully parrot the government’s agenda more effectively, due to the cachet of their Pulitzer Prize.
So after examining this from every angle, I can still find nothing to reproach in the board’s editorial.
Yes, and wherever that place may be, they seem to be holding him incommunicado.
I’m reasonably sure Gellman isn’t with WaPo. At the time of his Snowden disclosures he was an independent contractor having left their employ a year or two prior.
You’re right, of course, but. . . why would that stop them from spiriting him away to an undisclosed location? ;^)
Have you heard Word One form him about this? If you haven’t, considering the power of your scanning sensors, I’m going with the incommunicado theory.
True, all dat. But Gellman did just draft the defenestration (h/t TallyHoGazeHound) of the House Intelligence Committee: The House Intelligence Committee’s Terrible, Horrible, Very Bad Snowden Report. Maybe he’s resting up?
Defenestration — very good, THG! I hope there’s a movie. I have a really good idea about how to realistically handle the special effect.
In fairness (this is really hard), Gellman may be as blown away as we are by the graceless gall of the WaPo board. It is a singularly stupefying move.
See – Nobel re:Peace
B. Obama
The role of an editorial board is to edit a publication’s content. It makes editorial decisions about what to publish, what not to publish, and where to place it in the publication. It is also an editorial board’s role to inform its readers, i.e. disclose the fact that the board decided to publish information from a once protected source that it is now arguing should be prosecuted for disclosing the information the board chose to publish (and accepted a Pulitzer for).
Aside from that, your comment reads like a paid advertisement for the Post.
And yet they spurn my offers to become their publicist. I keep telling them – “We live in an age of transparency, and your shenanigans aren’t going to be well received. When you’re totally incompetent, you need a good publicist.” They’re living in denial. But perhaps you could put in a good word for me.
Why buy the cow when they get the milk for free?
Not at any newspaper even remotely qualified to be included in what we (hopefully or laughingly) refer to as the “free press.”
Of course, I may be stuck in some fantasy flashback to a past that never was.
the late benito mussolini makes a good point here
“So after examining this from every angle, I can still find nothing to reproach in the board’s editorial.”
Says one who sees nothing wrong with screwing his mother, too. Speaking of toadies, I’ve got $100 that says you are the posterchild for Toadies R Us. Your years long parade of fake satire has become stale, notwithstanding exposing your crap for what it is. Fuck off scumbag.
The board’s position – the institutional position of the Washington Post – is that the news journalism done by the Post has no public value and its sources should be arrested. The Pulitzer Prize winning reporter (Barton Gellman) shrugged it off. If you can’t see the humor in an organization that dysfunctional, I don’t know how to explain it to you.
If the opinion of the board doesn’t matter, than an opinion about its opinion matters even less. Life is too short to be angry.
Actually, this is not the first time the Washington Post editorial board threw Edward Snowden under the bus. In an extraordinary July 1, 2013, editorial titled, “How to keep Edward Snowden from leaking more NSA secrets,” the Post urged the government to silence its own source.
Addressing the administration, the editors made a call to action: “[T]he first U.S. priority should be to prevent Mr. Snowden from leaking information that harms efforts to fight terrorism and conduct legitimate intelligence operations.”
Importantly, the US government was then assassinating individuals secretly declared enemies of the state. Many people, including Snowden himself, feared an assassination of the former CIA employee. As justification for their unusual position, the editors painted Snowden as a spy or traitor prone to “unpredictable behavior” while in possession of US secrets. Almost certainly, he had given US secrets to Russia and perhaps China or Wikileaks, they alleged.
The editorial reads like an incitement to violence against the whistleblower. “Stopping potentially damaging revelations or the dissemination of intelligence to adversaries should take precedence over U.S. prosecution of Mr. Snowden,” argued the editors, and “could enhance his status as a political martyr in the eyes of many both in and outside the United States.” It reads like a condemnation of bringing Snowden to trial. But, what alternative was the Post suggesting?
The editors wait until the last paragraph to offer one. “The best solution for both Mr. Snowden and the Obama administration would be his surrender to U.S. authorities, followed by a plea negotiation. ” There’s questionable benefit for Snowden, however, in surrendering without a plea agreement in hand. And there’s an ominous ring to those first three words.
In calling a plea bargain the “best solution,” the editors implied the existence of other, less desirable options. But, they criticize only one option: waiting for an opportunity to arrest Snowden (alive, obviously). Unintentionally one hopes, the Post left other options in play — including assassination.
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-to-keep-edward-snowden-from-leaking-more-nsa-secrets/2013/07/01/4e8bbe28-e278-11e2-a11e-c2ea876a8f30_story.html?utm_term=.bcfa7eb38f22
Whatever smidgeon of credibility the Post had before its disgusting editorial is now completely gone. As it should be.
Nicely done.
Who owns it again? Typical disrespect for a whistleblower. Kiriauku, Lindauer.. the list goes on…
Great article. Kudos to Glenn Greenwald. And Snowden is a bonafide American hero.
Standig for what is right , contrary to the wicked admirers of proaganda, manipulation, obfuscation and deceit, is more than being an ADMIRER of what is right.- Alejandro Grace Ararat.
The corrupt puppets of the secrectg establishment do not like to be expose by anyone in order to continue their villification, propaganda, manipulation deception against anything and anyone and that is a sign of worst than all the kosher tatalitaria(bolshevist, marxists, hitlerianists, stalinists) regimes combined. At this rate, with this secret establishment, sabotaging the consitutional statutes of the rule of law along for the whimis of executive orders along with democracy while cloaked/dressed in democracy clothing is nor worst than pilfering or rather subversion and such subversion deserves no pardon. This is why the secret corrupt establishment do not want an outright pardon because it would strike a blow against a governance that while subverting the constitutional statutes of the rule of law continue in power chanting/championing the horn/trumpet of democracy while striking the wrong balance of subversion (while cloaked in democracy clothing) for the sake of the one world government domeesticaly and abroad.
The corrupt establishment and their puppets perpetrate the dissemination of its propaganda manipulation and wholesale of fasehoods via their media lapdogs(one of their many false fronts). IT is no fable at this time that those media lapdogs who claim to be independent are but a false front of the corrupt establishment being dependent, every day of the year and for year after year, upon certain wicked puppets to mitigate image problems as news, and ameliorate ther fake image alias known as damage control, that the newspaper reporters are obliged to work in harmony with the puppets of the corrupt establishment.
The usa governance is deliberately obfuscating the difference between “executive order” that has no precedence in and of itself with that of “Statues” which are and shall (precede) take precedence, because -constitutional- STATUTES, to the uttermost, occur before, or lead the way, moses.
The usa governance unilaterally and deliberately perpetrated, and still perpetrates, the largest abolishment of Privacy domestically and abroad for the sake of the one world government while under the excuse of usa-patriotism and even democracy. At this rate is unequivocal that the annulment of personal privacy domestically and abroad remains in/at hopelessness while the corrupt establishment expects Snowden to return in order to obliterate his brain with toxic pharmaceuticals or high electromagnetic radiation because the corrupt establishment and their puppets do not cease to oblitarate anyone who exposes their secret tyranny that drives on plain falsehoods, propaganda and disinformation, not just against privacy, but democracy and the constitutional republic’s rule of law that while cloaked/dressed in democracy clothing are subverting it.
Since when the abolishment of privacy became a matter of national security? It is like saying that the natural ocean water (the way God created ti) is poisonous to the fish and the marine life organism living there need the waste of man made poison produced by monsanto and any man made contamination in order to save all living animals and organisms in the oceans.
Unless, the tyrants dressed/cloaked in democracy clothing and perpetrating surveillance/spying by abolishing privacy (bombing Doctors without borders, going to war based on propaganda and misinformation against nations) while call it defense and intelligence programs is inconsistent, which by definition are plainly exemplifying nothing more and worst than all the kosher bolchevist/ stalinist/trostkies/hitlerist regimes combined contrary and inconsistent to the tradition of the spirit of true democracy that the corrupt puppets in high public office and usa governance and chants/professes/declares publicly/ AVOWED to embrace.
Anyone who wishes to do harm in the name of democracy while bombing doctors without border (a nobel peace prize winner) at kunduz, has perpetrated wost than harm to national security, that is, plain tyranny and to their chanting “national security” and of no concern to the lapdogs of the domestic and international media as well as to the usa governance for such to be consider a threat to national security. Bombing doctors without borders and chanting “”harm remains unknown” is worst than tyranny. The corrupt establishment would have been in a better position to continue their tyranny, should the snowden’s revelations (and other whistleblowers) had not expose the whims of executive orders exceeding the constitutional statues of the rule of law, so that the secret puppets of the corrupt establishment would continue their spying/blanket surveillance unmitigated and paid for by non-kosher nations, where the corrupt establishment and their puppets are adversaries of the spirit of democracy and while cloaked in democracy clothing are a threat to the world at large increasing their tyranny by manipulations, obfuscation, propaganda, disinformation and plain falsehoods together with with their hypocrisy.
The corrupt establishment and their high public office puppets who subscribe to(cloaked/dressed in) democracy and the constitutional statues of the rule of law, are usually overpraised, because they wish to convince their own populations that they have not (wasted)perpetrated nor cease to falter any tyranny domestically and abroad while under the color(spirit) of democracy nor cede to unperpetrate, against the constitutional statues of the rule of law, subversion.
-Alejandro Grace Ararat.
Still no word from Bart Gellman on Twitter. Anyone seen anything from him WRT this, anywhere?
Someone above posted a nice link to his takedown of the sumamry.
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/house-intelligence-committees-terrible-horrible-bad-snowden-report/
Great Job! Spanks the WP on the internet & twitter!!
No good deed goes unpunished, I reckon Glenn. Idk why the WaPo would bite the hand that fed it … I wouldn’t treat a dog like that.
*Maybe they read the totally vapid House Intelligence Committee report on the ‘damage’ Snowden caused and the shock of their complicity sent them into a fit of organizational schizophrenia … if I had to guess ?
And what is this ‘damage’ that
SnowdenWaPo caused, anyway? As far as I can tell, no one has disclosed any ‘operational’ or specific ‘sources and methods’ details?Just grandiose mind-blowing scope and scale surveillance ‘programs’ … which, imho, should NEVER have been “classified” in the first damn place. It’s Un American.
The Washington Post admitted today that they didn’t honestly consider themselves to have the integrity Edward Snowden rather surprisingly thought they might.
They demonstrated today that they have even less integrity than I credited them with. That’s no small feat.
I suspect this outrageous incident will discourage future whistle-blowers from going to the Post with their information, but since the Post has long relied upon cozy relationships with insiders for Approved Juicy Tidbits, there will be minimal impact on coverage.
Isn’t it amazing, how little regard the leaders of organizations have, for the future of the organizations they lead? CEOs across the board in the US no longer give a shit if their companies go under in the near future, as long as they make their bonuses in the next few quarters. It’s unbelievable how criminally negligent this kind of behavior is.
“It’s unbelievable how criminally negligent this kind of behavior is.”
The CEO of the Epi-pen co. just received some $18 million for jacking the price by 4 or 5 times.
But then that amount is only what 3 Israelis will receive from the American taxpayer over the next 10 years. There are some 6 million Israelis and 6 million each is $36 billion.
But back to those few mil here and there … or pennies on every 10 dollars …
You’re criminally bad at math.
Ok,$600 per year per Israeli.50 bucks a month for ten years.
Hey that would pay my monthly hospital bill that I owe after my Cadillac healthcare left me deductible.Never ever trust outpatient facilities,they always f*ck you like drive ins.
Zionist Welfare and we get the shaft.
They gotta love it!(but they don’t,its not enough,oy!)
Just what credit other than being a ziowhore by zionists could the serial lying,ethnic cleansing supporting,warmongering,Hell Bitch and Obomba supporting,Trump demonizing mole traitor Wapoop possibly retain for any sane human?
WTF?
Soooo; why are the MSM organs of propaganda not charged for doing what Mr. Snowden is accused of doing which as well documented, he did not do. It’s almost like I provided tax evasion evidence garnered by the Justice Dept. (which they did not prosecute as usual) to the Post who published the information (which the government wanted to remain secret…gotta protect the elites, y know.) and the JD persecuted me and the real perps, the corporate media complained about me supplying them…you can’t make this stuff up!
Ode to the MSM: He or her, for information, who depends on the MSM, will not find a friend!
Ode to a zionist urn.
Great article. Great take-down of these elitist hypocrites.
“Washington Post” is a label, one which has not changed between 2014 and 2016. Beyond that, what continuity ought one expect of the machine behind it, in an inertia-less online world? Unwarranted notions of equilibrium or stasis regarding the tactics of, or payoffs for, the players merely confuse us.
makes you wonder what chain of events occurred before WP made that decision. hopefully those events will be the subject of another leak
Where have you gone, Woodward-Bernstein?
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you…hey, hey hey….
Hmmmm….. Bernstein is still around, writing wonderful puff pieces and non-news about Hillary, while Woodward as senior editor at WaPo has been even worse!
But let us return to yesteryear to review a few facts: supposedly, this assistant or deputy director of the FBI, Feld, was “Deep Throat” so how the hell did he come by his information, since it would have been someone with access to the Oval Office?
Now Woodward said they met Deep Throat in an apartment building parking lot, which just happened to be heavily populated (as in most of its residents) with employees of Development Alternatives, Inc., a CIA front company.
You may recall that the fellow who was sprung from Cuba by Obama’s diplomatic initiatives to them (a Mr. Gross), also was an employee of Development Alternatives, Inc., working through them as a contractor to USAID (attempting to set up a spy network in Cuba).
Or, you may have heard of Development Alternatives, Inc., because it was the last employer of record of the mother of President Obama.
Small world, huh?????
I wasn’t being literal with the Woodward/Bernstein Simon/Garfunkel reference. It was a symbolic allusion to erstwhile investigative reportage and confronting government. That aside, thanks for the info.
Hello darkness, my old friend
I’ve come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
‘Neath the halo of a streetlamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence
And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
No one dare
Disturb the sound of silence
“Fools” said I, “You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you”
But my words like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said “The words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence”
Written by Paul Simon • Copyright © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Universal Music Publishing Group
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0
To Sparrow: Thank you
a different time…but still the same.
a pleasure Fellow Citizen
And the Post reporters say
Read about the NSA
But the board issued a warning
That their sources they were scorning
And they all said “The public should not know
What this reporter scrawls
Or what befalls
And published just the sounds of silence”
…between the lines man
you got it
Hey,did you hear about how Leonard Cohen,Bob Dylan,Simon and Garfunkle,Beck and other Jewish artists are to do a concert for Free Palestine?
Me neither.
I agree — as usual — with Mr. Greenwald, and complement him on his outstanding article, but I think it is time we faced up to something which has only become more and more obvious to me during my lifetime (a lady once tried to explain this to me but I was still too young and dumb to grasp what she meant), that there really is no media.
This seems rather abstract, but when has anyone garnered or received anything factual from what is observed to be the CorporateMedia? I have spent countless hours, like many others, in responding to their lies, ficition, planted stories, etc., and what a waste that has been.
Whenever I have read anything factual, it was from an academic, a collegiate scholar, or an intrepid researcher, or else I found it out myself!
I recently read the outstanding book by Prof. Joan Mellen on LBJ titled: Faustian Bargains, where on pp. 207 to 214 she most adeptly and adroitly presents how Lyndon Johnson and Adm. McCain (Sen. John McCain’s daddy) are war criminals under Articles 99 and 118 of the UCMJ, with others complicit (Cyrus Vance, Richard Helms, etc.), with regard to the Israeli assault on the USS Liberty almost 50 years back.
When I unearthed the connections in the Sen. Bobby Kennedy assassination (that so-called mystery witness, Valerie Schulte – – who didn’t fit the description of other witnesses at the assassination – – had an aunt and uncle who worked at the same classified section of Lockheed as did that part-time security guard, Eugene Thane Cesar, and that Schulte’s father worked at Technicolor Corporation on a classified contract with Lockheed, and that Lockheed’s chief of security as the former personal Secret Service bodyguard of Vice President Nixon, and left when Nixon lost the 1960 presidential campaign, but would rejoin Nixon’s 1968 presidential bid after the murder of Bobby Kennedy, I did that on my own, never was it to be found in any newspaper or from any FBI investigation!
I could go on for thousands of pages of similar examples, but all should have realized by this time you will never hear or read the truth in the CorporateMedia, only non-issues meant to waste and fill time (“birther” stories, “death panel” stories, etc., etc. ad nauseum).
to sgt_doom:
My home by our choice no longer has access to corporate media, cable, TV, the Coliseum of “Sportsdumb”, or those commercials that are a call to worship at the dark altar of consumerism.
Long ago for common sense health reasons I stopped putting sugar in my coffee and tea. If you just happen to mistakenly taste someone else’s with the sugar in it…it is gross.
Well recently I stayed at a hotel that was certainly ”corporate” and turned on the TV where they provide you a Fox News fix with their rancid coverage froth with raise the volume commercials…it was gross.
Our lives have become so much more peaceful, focused and touched with the freeing spirit of truth.
“The government violated the rights of millions. Ask yourself: would you rather not know? The rest is distraction.” -Edward Snowden (recent Tweet)
Bezo’s Blog is all in for Hillary and the continuing neolib/con interventions in the Middle East. To the point they’ll engage in rank hypocrisy.
Hi,
Indeed it’s a tuffy to swallow. I read the WP editorial and am agog and aghast.
These implications I myself think of, they are incredible and almost unbelievable!
Should this editorial set a presidence and the lesser minded or plain dumb aggressive journo fall into the line of it. Sheesh; well not only free speech in your country, but free brainwashing a la the Ministry of Truth.
This is dangerous stuff, Mr Greenwald!
I’ll leave by asking a question: any thoughts on if a contagion may spread to elsewhere from this, and secondly….if so how do we stop it?
I have to think now, please excuse me..
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction…
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this — in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything — even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon “moderation” in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H.L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
I fail to see “our military establishment” as doing any sort of a job in “keeping the peace.” I see it as failing from one war to the next: Korea to Vietnam to Afghanistan, to Iraq. All it has succeeded in doing, to my mind, is prolonging indecisive wars, before actually losing them.
Thankyou so much (I believe). I reply Benito Mosselini below and almost implore (in my way) for reply. This is too fabulous yet inescapable.
You’s chaps there best hold and also fashion this “mesh” together there! You’re discussions are either specious or absolutely bob on target!
We’ve got industrial war machine issues for sure! The EU now that the Uk is outta that scene, is proffering unified national defence forces run or coordinated by Brussels.
Actually I’m digesting your reply still… quite something. I think I agree with the ideas it contains being those you support. Yes the council of government ought not ever be solicited for arms usage. And true enough, the yet imperative (gained) by the development of your society to its current American experience is formidable. So your citizenry best become savvy to its capabilities and like rapid!
You know TheScaleman, I wouldn’t be lost in chatting here, yet its not the place. I’ll thankyou again, bookmark this and think further…..g’day.
We can’t trust big newspapers anymore. We need proper journalism again and not one sold out to government and other entities close to government that are all bought into lobbying and corrupting each other.
The Post editors concede that they can’t standup against irrefutable Total Information Awareness proof that they have copulated with farm animals.
So they took the cash and hopped on board.
Cloud formation
Genisys Total Information Awareness
Your best ever, Glenn. Thank You.
What is Heartbeat?
The Washington Post know that this is not about Snowden, he is a red herring. They are running scared, saving their hide. Bailing. It’s ominous.
I have seen fewer and fewer articles recently that discuss the Governments culpability and none as to whether it should be pardoned or even bought to task and fewer still that so much as allude to the question of freedom and democracy. It’s as if those two words have lost any meaning, any traction, with the greater public.
To Glen, Edward, Julian, Chelsea…and to all of us who won’t stay silent to the ongoing menace of propaganda…know that you are in good company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgIPaUO4nCs
MUST WATCH! “TRUTH REGARDING SYRIA” It’s a US INVASION lead by Obama Regime, Saudi Arabia, Turkey
The Delegation of the US Peace Council
You go girl. Just cause Assad fired on peaceful protesters, and used poison gas on his people doesn’t mean it wasn’t the US’s fault. Especially if an upstanding communist front group like the US Peace Council says it is.
You are absolutely right, GilG, plenty enough reason to support al Qaeda in Syria, Libya, Yemen and previously in Afghanistan.
Gosh, I remember when the Taliban was welcome in America during the Clinton Administration and it was only a few of us and Jay Leno’s activist wife, Mavis Leno, who raised a stink about it and the Taliban’s treatment of its women and people.
And the leader of Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance, Ahmad Shah Massoud, was barred from entering the USA, when all he wanted to do was warn us of those upcoming 9/11 attacks (the Great Lion of Afghanistan, Mr. Massoud, was assassinated two days prior to 9/11/01 by al Qaeda suicide bombers posing as journalists), and the DIA’s intrepid analyst, Julie Sirrs, was forced out for similar reasons.
On second thought, I guess your reasoning is quite faulty, GilG, unless you also are a supporter of al Qaeda and terrorism!
Wait a minute Sarg I was raising a stink about the Taliban and I don’t remember seeing you there at all. Remind me again who it was from the Taliban that Clinton welcomed ? Was it the entire group or just a select few?
Yes indeed Sgt anyone who brings up the crimes of Assad certainly must be supporting al-Queda right? I mean it has to be one or the other. There is no way that one could possibly be against both. That would require that one bases their support on values and not on politics and being a faithful reader of TI I know that such a being does not exist.
Actually it was the shrub who gave a bunch of Taliban a Texas tour back in the day.
You are quite correct, Bush was continuing the policy from the Clinton Administration.
Americans so quickly forget their non-media show, such as 60 Minutes, when Diane Sawyer was absolutely gushing over the Taliban jet pilot, who resided in the USA and would journey back to Afghanistan to fly bombing runs against the Northern Alliance (this was during the Clinton Administration, BTW) and it was Hillary’s good bud, Robin Raphel (in the news several years back for suspected espionage on behalf of Pakistan), who told the Northern Alliance leader, Ahmad Shah Massoud, that he should surrender to everyone’s fave group, the Taliban.
Indeed. One should note the usual Russophobes and FSA-philes who are crowing about the US’s “accidental” airstrike on Syrian forces- which just happened to help IS advance. Given how US arms helped make Kosovo into a criminal state, and Iraq and Libya into failed states, it can be reasonably assumed that they want to do the same to Syria.
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups…
well that certainly explains it.
idiot
There is no rational reason for the USA to be in Syria in any shape or form,it is against our interests and people,a project from hell.
The only good thing that could be extrapolated from said idiocy is that the alliance of Israel, Saudis, US, AlCIAda,isUS and al nUSrA,under the terrible Obomba administration, is as clear as day.
But they have no shame,especially the POTUS,as his call for black monolithic support for their enemy,HRC,his protector of screwups if elected,was a terrible move leaving him open to bigotry accusations .That and his Trump unqualified remark,another lack of self examination which makes one think he’s an idiot as well as puppet.
Yankee come home.
I regularly read the comments here, but I’m way out of my league. I want to take this opportunity to thank Glenn for putting so clearly the tortured logic of the Bezos led Post. I doubt Bezos cares about journalistic integrity, and he probably isn’t even concerned about the unreasoning nature of this editorial. But he’s sticking his fingers into the running of WaPo, and whatever reputation he had remaining is now gone. Thank you, Glenn, for such a wonderful final nail in the coffin. Let Snowden return, don’t charge him, and free Chelsea Manning while you’re at it.
Jeff Bezos now owns WaPo. He’s a HRC supporter. Of course he doesn’t want Snowden pardoned. Snowden told of drone strikes on Pres. Obama’s/HRC as Sec of State’s watch. If he’s given immunity or a pardon he can talk about a lot of stuff. Stuff these 2 don’t want known. WaPo won’t publish but The Guardian might and if Snowden is pardoned then there’s no recourse so of course Bezos went on the offensive and said NO to Snowden. 1 mans life in exchange for 4 or 8 yrs of HRC as president is worth the price.
The Washington Post editorial board has chosen to serve as a propaganda mouthpiece for the government, is all this means. An equally telling choice of theres is to give National Security Director James Clapper a platform:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp/2016/09/16/director-of-national-intelligence-james-clapper-to-discuss-national-security-at-the-washington-post/
Clapper lied to Congress about the existence of the NSA domestic mass surveillance program, and so is hardly someone that the Washington Post should use as a reliable source; he has a record of dishonesty and manipulation that makes everything he says suspect.
There are other problems with the WaPo editorial, though, since much of what the NSA was doing overseas was in direct contradiction to public claims coming out of Washington, in particular on economic espionage and regime change:
1) Economic espionage. We say we value free enterprise and competition and don’t steal industrial secrets or manipulate trade for the U.S. benefit, because this “is against our values” – but the Snowden documents show this is happening, snooping on G20 trade talks and infiltrating Brazil’s Petrobras are two examples, as well as the spying on climate talks.
2) Regime change and political manipulation programs. These have been huge disasters; we say we value humanitarians ideals, democracy and national self-determination but clearly the NSA and CIA have been involved in trying to manipulate the political leadership of many foreign countries, with disastrous results as in Libya, Iraq, etc. And spying on our friends (Merkel) is just as nasty, isn’t it?
Ignatius, who is hosting James Clapper, has tended to be very critical of Snowden’s revelations, repeating government PR lines and making statements like this (June 12, 2013)
This is BS; obviously terrorist groups knew that all form of communications were being monitored by the NSA, dating back to before 9/11; and the reasons US corporations don’t want to cooperate is because the rest of the world doesn’t want to buy products with built-in NSA backdoors, for good reasons – and foreign allies like Germany don’t like it that the NSA was listening in on their phone calls. Ignatius was probably one of the main actors behind this WaPo editorial stance.
David Ignatius should quit the Washington Post and take a job as Clapper’s spokesperson; that would be more honest.
Maybe the Clinton Cartel threatened WaPo. You know, trail of dead bodies left everywhere.
Edward Snowden is a HERO!
#ESIAH
Why not take the Washington Post Editorial Page Editors, and smash their knees with sledge hammers so that they could never chase a story like that again, then smash their fingers and hands, so that they could never print a story again. Then you sit them right up front at the White House Correspondents Dinner so that everyone can see them in their wheelchairs, with their smashed hands, as a reminder to other Washington Journalists and politicians!
Well, that’s a more Stalinist approach, isn’t it? And it wouldn’t be the Washington Post editors getting that treatment, it would be all the dissident journalists and whistleblowers who don’t go along with the government propaganda campaigns.
Because they’d simply be replaced by others from the inexhaustible supply of Obsequious Servants of Power and no brutal punishment you could even imagine can come close to having the persuasive power possessed and wielded by the Rulers over the stenography pool.
Anyway, actions of this sort have a way of leading to unintended consequences. See, e.g., la Terreur and the Thermidorian Reaction.
The author is equally venal and corrupt because he protects the identities of torturers and demonizes torture subjects with proxies such as Mona.
Any wishing to understand Stan’s problem should know he identifies as one of these.
NPR: ‘1996’: Under the Watchful Eye of the Government
A portion of Ed Gordon’s interview with Gloria Naylor:
GORDON: And why you?
Ms. NAYLOR: I have no idea why me.
GORDON: Mm-hmm.
Ms. NAYLOR: I think I just ran into the wrong people at the wrong time, and like the book shows, what starts from a very innocent dispute with a neighbor cascades and cascades and cascades into a whole production.
GORDON: Gloria, let me get your thought when, a couple of weeks ago, you saw the headline, like most of us did, about the White House, and the tapping of American citizens.
Ms. NAYLOR: Yeah, yeah.
GORDON: With this book, you must have not been surprised, but I would think you, it caused you to sit straight up.
Ms. NAYLOR: I was surprised that it even came out. And like the New York Times themselves admitted, they sat on the story for a whole year. And that’s part of why we don’t know the truth of many of these black operations that go on. And because of one, the patriotism of some people in the news media, because of the improbability that you would be believed if you became a whistle-blower, all of that lets these abuses flourish. The intelligence community, for the most part, has not accountability at all; to the Congress, to us the American people, and so they feel that they above the law. And every blue moon, something likes this Times Manifesto will come out, and people will say to themselves, my God, I had no idea that’s going on.
What I believe is that a lot more than that is going on. This is just the tip of the iceberg that happened to get exposed.
GORDON: Fiction writer Gloria Naylor, her latest book is titled 1996.
Discount it all you like, Mona. You’re out of your depth on this one.
This next portion of the same interview is for people like Mona:
GORDON: Now, we should know the book is centered around an island off of South Carolina, where you go to enjoy there, and write, and tend to a garden. And then, as the account of the book suggests, your tranquility is ruined.
Ms. NAYLOR: I realize at one point, that I was being followed, and then I began to see the surveillance that was going past the road on my house. And so, these cars began to surveil me. People began to follow me around, and it did, it was very disrupting to think that your privacy was being violated, and for no reason that I could come up with. Since I’m not, basically, a political writer, I’m a fiction writer, for the most part. And so, I just didn’t, I didn’t understand it. I knew about CoIntel Pro, which is because I’m African-American, and in those years, the FBI did many shameful things to disrupt black nationalist organizations. But since I wasn’t a part of any of that, I thought that I would be immune, basically, from the government having any interest in me.
GORDON: But let me play devil’s advocate, Gloria. There are going to be people who are going to say, just based on what you just said, why would the government follow you? What interest would they have? Etcetera, etcetera. Here’s a woman who’s just simply, underline, paranoid.
Ms. NAYLOR: Well, what I can say to them is this: it’s the same thing that happens when a child is abused by a trusted adult. Now, that child will go to some parents and tell them these things. They will be believed by some of the parents. Some of the parents will never believe that Uncle George could be doing these things to their little girl. So, it’s either that you’re gonna believe me, or you’re not going to believe me, and I couldn’t worry about that. I worried about it a little bit, Ed, to be truthful with you.
GORDON: Mm-hmm.
Ms. NAYLOR: That people would think, well, she just had a nervous breakdown. But when I really sat and thought about for a long time, I realized I can’t worry about what reception this news is going to be received in. I wrote what I felt I had to write, and I’m willing to put my own sanity and my reputation behind it.
Yes, yes, Mona, we know: Ms. Naylor “hasn’t published anything since 2005.”
Another interview with Gloria Naylor might be in order.
I hope Ms. Naylor lives to be vindicated. She has done the country a great service to put her reputation on the line and speak the truth. Read her book “1996” and know that it is real. Cointelpro lives.
I’m not going to help you suffering souls hijack another thread with that stuff. Anyone interested in this subject may read more in the NYT here.
Four comments is hardly a hijacking, Mona. Oops, make that five now because of your obsessive need to repudiate any comment on this subject.
I would venture to say that the NYT is no more reliable, impartial or ethical than the WAPO.
Anyone interested in the truth may read more here http://www.fightgangstalking.com
Ah, yes — the always reliable NY Times.
As I’ve already said, Mona: You’re naive. And out of your depth.
What deal did the Post make and with whom. Faustian pact is too tame an expression to use.
WaPo gets a mention from Russian Ambassador to UN…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bID01gIEIOY
Russia Vitaly Churkin response on Obama actions in Syria [full speech]
Project Mockingbird
“if Murrow builds up America as skillfully as he tore it to pieces last night, the propaganda war is as good as won.”
Good night and good luck.
Dear Washington Post, our “relationship” comes to an end; after more than 25 years. Congratz for this, disgusting spineless fucktards.
At some point in the future, WAPO will be bleating about a loss of readership and blaming the Internet news sites, apparently oblivious to the fact that to a large extent, Internet news is a response to the co-opting of mainstream media by the very interests that are normally held in check by said MSM.
I’d say that it’s a sure bet that self censuring is being brought into play by those intending to stay in the apparent new atmosphere at the Washington Post.
I expect that there is absolute euphoria at the NSA and in the halls of power generally at this fortuitous turn of events at the hand of their new friend, Mr. Bezos. They’ll be tipping their glasses to the de-fanging of the Washington Post as we read.
WaPo is a solid supporter of wallstreet and hellary clinton. The hypocrisy of WaPo is indicative of a pretense for their support for the rights of Americans. Playing both sides of the fence may also mean that they are aware of information regarding the Democratic Party’s interest in the TPP-TPIP-TISA (T3) which they have discovered and are unwilling to publish because of their support for secrecy.
If that is the case, then Barack Obama would have to push hard now to get the T3 passed because Hellary as president would betray the American people and commit treason by doing the same.
Operation Mockingbird version 2016
Your article about the Washington Post calling for the prosecution of Snowden – I am sure the fact that the Washington Post is owed by Amazon’s Jeff Bezo that in turn has one of its biggest AWS customers being the CIA would have nothing to do with the editorial!!
If I had a story about secret US intelligence programs, the last place I would go in the future would be the Washington Post.
The Post has, in many ways, effectively become the US equivalent of what Pravda was for the government of the old USSR, a complete and total apologist and propaganda rag.
Sounds like an opportunity for those pushing for a pardon for Snowden to simultaneously demand that the Post give back its Pulitzer.
I notice that there is a time delay ( ~1 hr) between Threads and Latest .
Is Latest being edited before it can get to threads ?
Clearly Bezos is jealous that Omidyar will profit from the SID newsletters and he won’t.
Nah, Bezos is many things, but stupid isn’t one of them. You may have noticed there are no ads here. The Intercept is non-profit.
Really First Look is a non profit? There is a difference between not making a profit and being a non profit.
Perhaps you’d care to elucidate on the profitable revenue stream that you so vividly imagine is generated by the Intercept.
where did I say they are currently making a profit? Even that monster Bezos Amazon lost money for years before making money. It’s fairly common. Now please tell me if First Media is a non profit.
From their press release:
Their mission:
To that end, is their Press Freedom Litigation Fund.
Fair enough
The Intercept is non-profit. That’s why there are no ads, and no subscription fees.
More non-profit shenanigans (and their take (?) on non-profits) from First Look’s latest endeavor, The Nib.
One can be greedy smart but humanly stupid.
He obviously is stupid in that regard.
And I guarantee the Wapoop is losing dough,like the lying times,and every newspaper in America that turned into shite.
One could almost call it a plot.Almost,sheesh.
Great Article Glenn! It seems that some at the WPOST want Americans to be kept in the dark. Great to have other news outlets like the Intercept that disagree with the WPOST and actually care about the truth and bringing us all a clearer idea of what reality is really like beyond the shadows.
It’s our luck that there are people out there who actually have the courage to really do things in the public interest. But there are other people who just write stuff for only their own interests. That’s a bit poor. From time to time, as a non-american, i read the WP or the NYT and some others, too. And of course other news over the world and i also noticed the increasing tendency to state, that the Snowden documents are potencially more harmful to the public, even that Snowden is a russian spy and much more. They people who really have to say something just don’t accept the facts and reality because they cannot give conclusive answers to the legal situation, other than saying it has to be for the sake of security and their existence. Well, after quite a time it seems, that they could only show a way to make things better, no matter how you look at all that, and that this is still a way that has to be gone somehow, and that is also because of security and being trustworthy. The WP is not really helping with this but they help other people to find excuses and apologies where otherwise those cannot be found. It doesn’t change the facts. And it won’t help with these problems in the future either by ignoring, it makes it only more and more difficult.
Thanks for the work you do and for being a buoy of truth in a sea of deception and self interest.
Pow right in the kisser!
The late William Colby, CIA director from 1973 to 1976, has been quoted as saying: “The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” Whether or not Colby was quoted correctly, the experience of the past several decades suggests it is largely true. Better sourced is a quote from William Casey, CIA director from 1981 to 1987: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
@ TheScaleman. Time to bring out a John Pliger quote from a speech at Columbia.
I want Edward Snowden to be pardoned but I hope he does not return to the United States. I feel he would be signing his own death warrant. I say that because there is so much evil here. Look what happened to Seth Rich, et al. It’s not that I don’t want Snowden back in his own country, I think he would never be safe here. What Edward Snowden did was the bravest thing ever, let no one not believe that.
Even though this article isn’t about Julian Assange, it’s my hope Assange does not take Chelsea Manning’s place in prison as he’s suggested he would or at least that’s in articles I’ve recently read. Assange is doing a thankless job or at least thankless in the eyes of those being outed by the leaks.
Both Snowden and Assange, if incarcerated, one can only imagine what would happen to them there.
Snowden and Assange have done a great service to ‘the people’ and we should be most grateful to them. I know I am!
As for the WP. it made a choice, it chose what to print. No one there twisting their arms to do so. So they need to stop placing blame and own their choices.
So, guys, Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, stay where you are and stay safe. We, the people, owe you that much! And thank you, Glenn Greenwald!
Great column, Glenn. Hope it gets the circulation and attention it deserves. I never read the WAPO, btw. Why bother?
Jeff Bezos’s corruption of The Washington Post to support his sprawlingempire should alarm every American.
Bezos provides data storage to support CIA and NSA surveillance aroundss the world. He has a vested interest in constraining civil liberties and corrupting democracy. The Washington Post, with its editorial condemning Mr. Snowden, is related to a growing list of Zombie Media owned by government interests, run for government interests.
They and others are no longer news gathering organizations, they are highly edited corporate filters.
This story relates to this very recent poll showing American’s trust in American media has sank to very low numbers. With such behavior by the Washington Post, it is very easy to see why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx
It was the subject of a discussion this morning on (don’t laugh) CNN’s Reliable Sources.
Next, they will call for prosecution of alter boys
Damn Glenn, try not to drop the mic so hard – they’re expensive.
No surprise there. The Post is also the same media outlet which invited Trump to sit at there table during the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner, and this just after Pres. Obama had been forced to show his birth certificate by Birther-in-Chief Donald Trump.
Not that I feel any desire to defend WaPo, but there are probably the most anti-trump paper in the country. Which I wouldn’t mind (I’m no fan of Trump) but they largely ignore the constant scandals surrounding Hillary. This does bother me because they are both completely unfit for the presidency.
No Norman,it was Sid Blumenthal and some other ziocrud who started the birther controversy,not Trump.
Obomba acts like a foreigner,telling blacks to vote for the Hell Bitch or else they’ll dwell in his hell. Very Albrightlike,another pos foreign mole.
The difference between Greenwald and WP?
Greenwald is intelligent and is aware that the writes for intelligent readers.
WP thinks it is intelligent and writes for readers they assume to be stupid.
JPulitzer: There is not a crime, not a dodge, not a swindle, not a trick, not a vice which does not live by secrecy.
The best thing that could happen to Snowden is a no pardon from Obama. To go back to the US, a country run by a mafia is the biggest mistake Snowden can make in his life. Russia is not a heaven, however, is the best place for him to live, he is safe under Putin’s protection. Do not even think on trusting Obama who is part of the Clinton’s mafia. I wish you the best living in Russia, Mr Snowden and thanks.
Agreed. Snowden should not be asking the U.S. government for anything. They want him dead, just like they want Julian Assange dead. Or locked up like Chelsea Manning, forever, and subject to torture. Meanwhile, the people know that Snowden, along with Assange and Manning, is a hero for exposing the crimes of the U.S. government.
Hey ,,
They are protecting us !!!!
Now stand up ,, right hand over heart and sing DAMNED YOU ,,
GOD BLESS ,,,, blah, blah ,,, blah
WAR !!! WAR !!! WAR !!!
In Vegas :
China is 8-5 , Russia is Even , and Stephen Colbert works the toilet .
China is 7
Agree too. If these assholes can not prosecute him because of the constitution or a pardon, they will try to kill him instead. So it is not safe for Snowden to come back with us until we get ride of all of these criminals assholes. This is something we will have to do anyway for the sake of our country.
On fine form today Mr Greenwald. And thank goodness for it. Keep up the good work.
In the words of Blackie Grandes—
” Ain’t nothin lef cept the cryin ”
You gonna stand and sing ,, OR WHAT ??
GOD BLESS WaPoCa ,, etc !!!
Um, I would like to emphasize that the ending of the metadata collection program DID NOT end the violations of our Constitution through the other numerous and ongoing programs that have been “legalized” judicially and legislatively via mental corruption and deception of the public by and within our establishment.
While that wasn’t stated in this post, it was perhaps unintentionally implied with the focus on and rebuttal of the “reasoning” by the WaPo editorial board.
This is just a friendly reminder that the sky is blue, not criticism of GG for any sin of omission.
If your response is “no duh”, you aren’t my intended audience.
Let me get this straight ,
You are saying ” That , which was not there —-
” was perhaps unintentionally implied ”
” to rebut the reasoning of WaPo’s bosses ”
Feel free to edit the above ——–altotone
Geez man,, you write like one of Hillary’s paid goons .
Thanks for this emphasis. The point deserves highlighting.
I deleted my Amazon account.
I stopped clicking on WaPoop about a year ago.
I check both criminal outlets(NYTS,Wapoop)daily to see what the enemy is thinking.
The meme of the day;Today it’s denying Trump the righteous praise he should receive for noteing that letting people into America that hate US is not smart policy.
I hope that Jeff Bezos’ Amazon.com suffers a massive loss of business as punishment and backlash for this.
Shopping at Amazon supports the fascist Jeff Bezos helping him to destroy local stores,and shopping malls. Shopping at Amazon, results in store closures, traditional retail job losses,boarded up high streets, and damages local communities.People should think very carefully before shopping online with Amazon.com.
How do you feel about shopping on e-bay?
Nice point.
Still, I think Amazon is considerably more dangerous than eBay, although I don’t buy from either.
Amazon, as the Marxists say, heightens the contradictions. It’s incredibly convenient and efficient, but drives so many other services out. Even trucking as Amazon starts doing everything itself as part of an A-Z system. Then they also have the markets cornered and it’s take-it-or-leave-it.
I went quasi undercover in a fulfillment center. There is an ideology test for employees above pickers and packers. They are easy pickings for hackers despite their omnipresent surveillance of workers. I am sure they have everything on my personal laptop and cellphone. I am sure they know I have everything on MDW2. They gave it to me.
Yes indeed how dare they be convenient and efficient. Workers of the world unite defeat Amazon and show solidarity with our comrades at E-bay. They may be capitalists but they are our capitalists.
Uh, ok.
Awesome. Thank you. TV media not really covering pardon Snowden calls from Sanders, ACLU and Amnesty International.
What’s it going to take for the American people to rise up against this controlled hyper totalitarian tyranny? Snowden’s leaks were NOTHING. The only story of consequence out of it all is the Blacklisting story with all the agencies involved – and it went nowhere!!!
Where’s the lists of the people who have been blacklisted?
Where’s the list of people who are and have been wirelessly electronically tortured to death under CIA Human Experiments by NAZI doctors?
Where is all the wirelessly stolen intellectual property going – stolen by the CIA?
Where’s the list of government agencies and ALL THE INDIVIDUALS involved in these ULTIMATE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY?
Why hasn’t the UN done anything about all the complaints regarding these STATE CRIMES?
Just because the CIA has ultimate impunity because of the IGNORANT public does not mean this is OKAY!!
“Another threat, less overt but no less basic, confronts liberal democracy. More directly linked to the impact of technology, it involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled and directed society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite whose claim to political power would rest on allegedly superior scientific knowhow. Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Under such circumstances, the scientific and technological momentum of the country would not be reversed but would actually feed on the situation it exploits.
… Persisting social crisis, the emergence of a charismatic personality, and the exploitation of mass media to obtain public confidence would be the steppingstones in the piecemeal transformation of the United States into a highly controlled society.”
? Zbigniew Brzezi?ski
“Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves. They’ll only be able to parrot the information they’ve been given on the previous night’s news.”
? Zbigniew Brzezi?ski
The good news is that I had to read about it here at The Intercept. I used to actually read the Washington Post on a daily basis and posted copious comments on their asinine worldview. I still get there off Drudge Report links sometimes but it is no longer a stop on my morning reading list.
It has come to resemble one of those of CIA/Mossad front organizations you hear about. So, maybe that is the answer. Maybe it’s not really a newspaper at all.
Here is an interesting take on the US media.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/09/demonize-and-distract-sanitizing-syria-for-the-masses/
Has anyone heard anyone heard anything from Bart Gellman on this? Would be very interested to know his thoughts.
The acoustics in here leave a lot to be desired. :-s
It’s like shouting into a canyon and having your echo come back rephrasing your original shout. Very perplexing.
I’d also like to hear from Margaret Sullivan. Although she’s now a ‘media columnist’ at WaPo, her insights while at the NYT re: their editorial-isms were good reads.
No comments from BG on Twitter as yet
Here’s a link on Margaret Sullivan’s Tweet about what Bart Gellman wrote recently on the Snowden Report™.
Great work, Mr. Greenwald. You, sir, are no coward! Keep up the good and important work.
Thanks Glenn,
Not only is your reporting on surveillance and other key issues stellar, I also look to your media reporting and have learned a great deal. Keep up the great work!
Thank you. boycott the WP.
WP is trying to cover some bases for CrookdClintons here.
Boycott the Washington Post and Amazon.com.
Thank you, sir.
The Washington Post proved itself to be a joke during the Democratic primary and continues to pile up the evidence against itself.
It joins CNN and MSNBC with The New York Times not too far behind this group, already at the bottom of the barrel. They all just want their share of the oligarchy, which explains their outright propagandizing for Hillary Clinton.
When neither the government nor the fourth estate advocate for the people, what remains for us?
Question :
” When neither the government nor the fourth estate advocate for the people, what remains for us? ”
Answer:
Get rid of them !!!
Absolutely disgusting, and clearly does make a joke out of Jeff Bezos’ promise to permit editorial independence at the Post.Decent people must now respond to this outrage by boycotting Amazon.com and Amazon Web Services.
Glenn is the man.
‘The devil made me do it! The devil (in this case Snowden)should be punished!!’
Cowardly, hypocritical way to evade responsibility.
‘The devil made me do it! The devil (in this case Snowden)should be punished!!’
Cowardly, hypocritical way to evade responsibility.
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Geez , I wish the above excellent commentary had been one of mine .
Jolly Good Show , Aveina2001 !
Great article! Shame on these people who published the leaks, but now call Snowden a traitor. He is a hero.
Here we see the true fulfillment of the laughable promise by Jeff Bezos to permit editorial independence at the Post. For those who do not recognize the name, Bezos is the billionaire behind Amazon.com and Amazon Web Services. AWS established a permanent presence in the VA suburbs as a result of their having won a huge contract to provide web services to the CIA. Bezos bought the Post specifically for the purpose of influencing Washington decision makers.
Given his sponsors are dead set against Ed Snowden, it would be the last thing in the world for a fascist like Bezos to do anything other than ratify their position.
I hope you all remember this next time you are tempted to buy something on line using Amazon.
So is the Washington Post editorializing against itself, eager to see the prosecution of its former reporters? Maybe it can form a multinational with some papers in Turkey…
How exciting!! The WaPo has made history by being the first EVER to call for the prosecution of it’s own source! They must be giddy with joy…first a Pulitzer for publishing the Snowden leaks, now this. So my question is what sort of award will they get for turning on their source? Is it like an anti-Pulitzer??? It can’t be as simple as turning in their original prize…not enough flare in that. More accolades please!
Continuing special access to the Washington establishment.
This is likely the simplest explanation. Keeping the establishment happy didn’t become a priority of the Post when it was acquired by Bezos. That longstanding boot-lick culture was simply part of what Bezos bought. Nothing to do with him.
Disclaimer: I carried for The Star. :)
You must be too young to remember the days when Kathy Graham owned the paper and Ben Bradlee was the editor. Watergate days. When the Post stood absolutely alone, no other newspaper picking up their stories, the Star serving an an echo for Ron Zieg-liar.
[“So my question is what sort of award will they get for turning on their source? Is it like an anti-Pulitzer???”]
More like Pulitzer(ed) Rug “that has fallen and can’t get up” Prize. Now the small target gets the truth attention.
It is NOT The Washington Post. It is the AMAZON Post. Or more specifically, the BEZOS Post.
I am fairly certain that the same editorial would have happened before Bezos bought it. Much of what Fred Hiatt wrote when he was in charge was similarly slavish in support of the Administration point of view, especially when Bush was President.
Great “editorial and newsworthy” exposure of a god wapo and its self promoting prize winning lionizing people swallowing truth hating Goliath…that just got hit with a stone of lightening called the PRISON of hypocrisy. One that comes back to pull the rug out from under its feet and cuts off its head with its own sword. Its true severed face of cowardly dishonest weakness carried around for the world to see. Sad that it didn’t recognize its own scrutiny with a PRISM on its two-faced actions just like its handler god barak obama with its peace prize.
What a way to awaken sheep! Now you should be sorry that you supported this decapitated dead giant.
What would Ben Bradlee make of this? Another great piece, Glenn. Thank you.
Thanks for lambasting WAPO. They should give back their Pulitzer if they want to indict Snowden.
Well said, Mr. Greenwald.
WaPo (and everyone else) needed to apply for their Pulitzer, rather than being nominated by peers as with the Polk awards. Maybe their editorial board will give the prize back, more likely not.
At least we know who not to trust if another whistle blower comes calling. One wonders if the Washpo’s opinion is an unstated one among the other newspapers who published stories based on the documents Snowden gave them. Future Snowdens and Greenwalds will need to be more careful than they were in 2013.
BTW: We’re now seeing how that business model of serving the shareholders first works as revenues for traditional newspapers decline.
The courageous individuals hiding behind the moniker Editorial Board making pompous pronouncements about The Post’s View are as follows:
The extent of the assininity represented therein can be found in the following paragraph:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-posts-view/?utm_term=.71b5c005ee2a
Someone really needs to interview the news side about this atrocity. They should, of course, be free to comment on an editorial without fear of retribution (right), but it would probably be best to refer to Reporter 1, Editor 3, etc.
I specifically want to hear from Gellman.
I hope he addresses this with the same alacrity and acidity he showed for the recent House Intelligence [sic] Committee Snowden report.
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/house-intelligence-committees-terrible-horrible-bad-snowden-report/
Yup, especially Bart. Nothing on Twitter as of 1:30 pm Pacific.
” Blah, blah, blah,,,, ” and editorial board members don’t have any role in news coverage. ” ”
Geez , and I thought WaPo was a News Paper .
Re :
The board includes: Editorial Page Editor Fred Hiatt; Deputy Editorial Page Editor Jackson Diehl; Associate Editorial Page Editor Jo-Ann Armao, who specializes in education and District affairs; Jonathan Capehart, who focuses on national politics; Lee Hockstader, who writes about political and other issues affecting Virginia and Maryland; Charles Lane, who concentrates on economic policy, trade and globalization; Stephen Stromberg, who specializes in energy, the environment, public health and other federal policy; and editorial cartoonist Tom Toles. Op-ed editor Michael Larabee also takes part in board discussions.
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What are the mailing addresses of these people ?
Just idle curiosity on my part of course .
a scorcher! Glad the heinous Fred Kaplan got kicked hard too.
Kaplan has been doing his Democratic-Party-friendly version of cheerleading for “cybersecurity” and American exceptionalism a long time; here is a good takedown from early 2014
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/01/06/dissecting-fred-kaplans-hit-piece-on-edward-snowden/
I also wonder if Marty Baron thinks the press shouldn’t have reported on the NSA’s systemic undermining of encryption standards and hardware that made us, and our bank accounts, more vulnerable to identity thieves and corporate espionage.
If you don’t understand the scope of that issue, think of it this way:
– Imagine the FBI wanted physical access to every home and business in America, created copies of every key, and hid those copies nearby, outside those homes and businesses.
– Imagine they assured themselves that they were the only ones who would use those keys, because they’re the only ones who knew where the copies were hidden
– Imagine a criminal organization discovered one of those keys, realized there were copies outside of every home and business, and knew where the FBI tended to hide those keys. Every home and business in the country is now vulnerable to this criminal organization.
This is what the NSA did with encryption. When the NSA undermined encryption standards by modifying hardware and introducing exploits in standards, they were effectively leaving behind tools that criminal organizations could, and likely have, used to break into computer systems that contained sensitive financial and personal information.
I think you’ve conflated Marty Baron with the editorial board. Baron is the Post’s Executive Editor, he’s in charge of the news prong.
Yea, I did assume the Executive Editor was on the Editorial board. I guess that’s not the case?
It doesn’t appear that Baron is on the editorial board.
He should resign in protest.
Would be ironic is some of the recent hacks of US government resources came about for that very reason.
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.
Wow. The epitome of “sick and twisted.”
Someone should ask the WaPo public editor for comment — but I don’t think they have one. Margaret Sullivan is there, but she’s now a “media columnist.” Maybe ask her anyway?
An especially noxious claim in that editorial is that Snowden “hurt his own credibility as an avatar of freedom by accepting asylum from Russia’s Vladimir Putin”.
I wonder, if a Chinese or Russian journalist sought asylum in the U.S, would Marty Baron label them “hypocrites” for seeking asylum in a country with its own history of persecuting journalists? (For context, look up Sami al-Hajj, or how Obama personally intervened to keep ? Abdulelah Haider Shaye imprisoned, or Laura Poitras’ repeated detentions at the border)
Marty Baron isn’t on the editorial board. He’s Executive Editor of the news section.
That Kaplan piece is a revolting screed of shite that belongs in a tabloid. Supposedly Ed Snowden stole test questions? Please. Ed Snowden clearly has the IQ of a clinical genius.Kaplan conveniently omits that his source on that, Chris Inglis, is managing director of Paladin Capital Group.
“…Paladin Capital Group…”, which just happens to be included in the list of corps in the investment portfolio of CIA’s venture capital arm, In-Q-Tel.
https://www.iqt.org/portfolio/
F Jeff Bezos and F the Washington Post.
Bezos’ Bozos work for the real warped ideological entity,Israel.
Obomba;If you(blacks) don’t vote for the Hell Bitch I will personally be insulted.
He thinks black people are a hive,like Zionists?What if Trump issued that statement of a black voting bloc?My God.
And Sanders! and Warren(bubblehead )campaign for HRC.
Hey,Bernie,it was that black vote in the South that denied you the candidacy,btw.
All I know is they don’t want any part of Trump,the ptb.
Well, shouldn’t the WaPost editorial page then also be calling for prosecution of their journalist colleagues for facilitating Snowden’s alleged criminal behavior (or at least taking advantage of it)?
Doublethink at its finest.
The editors of the Washington Post are completely justified. It is one thing to express support for journalistic principles when you are receiving a prestigious journalistic award. But the man leading the polls in the presidential race tweeted yesterday:
In the current environment, it is obvious that newspapers have to prioritize their own survival. Mr. Trump’s warning was pretty clear, and editors cannot allow themselves the luxury of pursuing misty eyed fantasies of journalistic integrity.
I admire Mr. Greenwald’s courageous devotion to principles, but the editors, whose first duty is to their company’s shareholders, aren’t free to follow their own consciences. It is therefore unfortunate that Mr. Greenwald chooses to remind the readers that the editors themselves made the original decision to publish the Snowden material. At the time, no one imagined that Mr. Trump might eventually become president and government mass surveillance seemed a possible overreach but essentially benign. Circumstances have changed, and it is only right that editorial opinion changes with it.
Because hand-wringing and fear-mongering go so well with cowardice?
Cowardice evolved in human beings because it is a survival trait.
Cowardice evolved in certain human beings, with you obviously being one of them.
So… We’re just gonna leave that “first duty is to the company’s shareholders” just sittin’ there?
I was being overly idealistic. Their first duty is to their own physical safety. What everyone can agree on is that editors have no obligation towards the readers. The cost of production is paid by advertisers; the readers simply pay some of the distribution costs. Although to hear them talk, you would think they owned they place.
Note your interlocutor’s moniker: Think satire.
Stop giving up all the secrets. It’s ruining the fun of watching the unaware stump around in circles as one of their legs approaches the length of the rest of their body in its entirety. ;-}
Hey, I’m defending the honor and integrity of this comments section!!!! You may be content to have readers see Il Duce’s stuff go unremarked (other than high-fives for brilliance) and presumably acquiesced to, but I, I shall not! On this hill I shall die.
“On this hill I shall die.”
Promises, promises …
Why would you deprive Benito of the opportunity to perform?
Ok, fine. Everyone wants me to shush about Benito to the uninitiated. It’s… mean, but then this is a tough crowd.
(I hope you all get caught on Candid Camera someday and even your mother laughs at you.)
Mona ,, what’s this “thing ” you have for Benito ?
Geez ,, are you ” The Woman Scorned ” ?
Just asking .
I’m having a weak moment. Giving in to my baser instincts…..and sentimental nostalgia for Amity-level wool-pulling. :-)
Ah, Amity! Where the hell did she go? That woman is a treasure.
Mona, please come down off that hill. We need your firepower in the forward trenches, where you need to clear the field of trolls. Benito, as you know, is not a troll, and newcomers like Desmond will catch on soon enough. No harm done if newcomers miss the occasional sweet levity the first time they explore your domain.
Or, if he is, he’s the only troll who should have his own Intercept column.
Really, Mona. Shhh!
That statement is a reasonably truthful acknowledgement that American “democracy” is seriously messed up!! When the public’s information sources first priority is to improve shareholder profitability, rather than inform the citizenry our republic becomes garbage in garbage out.
Ah, but Mr. Mussolini speaks the truth whether we’re ready to hear it or not…
When will Congress vote an Aid Package to WaPo ?
Will it be cash or weapons ?
Ground support ?
This current “Benito Mussolini” impersonator sounds just as puffed-up nutz as the original fathead fascist. Or is he just goofing on everyone?
As for the editors (and too many of their hired hands i.e. “journalists”) of America’s primary propaganda delivery devices (NYT, WaPo, WSJ), if any had a conscience they would follow it out the door of their current place of employment and never look back.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
Kudos to the honorable Glenn Greenwald!!
I have to disagree entirely. (I think….?)
This is no Darwinian type survivalist’s ecological media machine, to be dressed or altered or camouflaged in the fashion to suit a shouting or baying boardroom of ideologically bereft shareholding reps. What are you getting at?
Trump may well call out the nyt…. so what?!
Yet safety (of the journo’s personal being) … are you serious again? (Your reply to Desmond Acksworth)
It’s all a little up front if you’re correct!
And if you are then it is a new Darwinian selective process!
Information being the media to die for?!
Even the meme?
(I don’t know where to draw my lines of reasonable thinking!) It’s a mother of a problem!
Am I correct?
The WaPo advocating the prosecution of Snowden is like Walmart advocating the embargo of China.
Whenever I used to read about the US threatening to take away China’s Most Favored Nation status, I used to think “wow, they must be really pissed.” It’s only now that I realize, that the Chinese knew all along, this was no threat. Wall Mart is lobbying to make sure our goods never falls under those stupid tariffs.
Wall Mart is probably one of the worst things that happened to the US, among other things.
Aerosmith likes them.Jeez.
The sad truth is,that in this crummy(yes)economy,many people have to go to Walmart to make ends meet.
And guess which of the Presidential Candidates was working for Wal-Mart? It’s sure not Stein or Johnson, and it isn’t Trump…
(Fun Fact: Did you know Wal-Mart pulled a t-shirt saying “Someday a woman will be president!” back in 1995?)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/woman-president-tshirt-trnd/