With 788 people killed by police this year alone, death at the hands of law enforcement has become so routine in this country that it risks becoming expected and predictable, as if it were inevitable. Every time a new video emerges, anger soars, as do calls to end police violence. Then invariably, within days or sometimes mere hours, police somewhere else kill again.
This week was no exception. Last night, the now familiar scene of angry protests met with tear gas unfolded again, this time in Charlotte, North Carolina, after a police officer shot and killed Keith L. Scott, a 43-year-old black father who had been sitting in his car waiting to pick up a child from school. Police said on Wednesday that Scott was holding a gun, which they said they later recovered, and that he ignored orders to drop it. Scott’s family said he had been holding a book, and his daughter speculated that police would plant evidence on the scene. The officer who killed Scott was not wearing a body camera.
Debate over such details, too, has become common, and increasingly supplemented by video evidence that has rarely made a difference in bringing about greater accountability. Just hours before Scott was killed, police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, released footage showing another black man, Terence Crutcher, being shot to death by a police officer while he walked away, unarmed, and with his hands up. A week earlier, Tyre King, a 13-year-old with a BB gun who was reportedly running away from police, was killed by a Columbus, Ohio, police officer who had killed someone else in 2012.
But as commonplace as they have become, police killings are neither inevitable nor even that hard to prevent, and a new report released today suggests that curbing police violence is really not rocket science when departments and local officials are committed to doing it.
The “Police Use of Force Project” is an initiative of Campaign Zero, a group that came together in the aftermath of the Ferguson protests to research and recommend solutions to end death at the hands of police. Not surprisingly, their latest research showed that police departments that implement stricter use of force regulations kill significantly fewer people.
As police regulations vary widely between departments, researchers examined the policies of 91 of the country’s 100 largest cities’ departments, looking for eight major policies regulating the use of force. They wanted to see which departments implement the following eight policies:
Not a single department was found to implement all eight policies.
But even common-sense practices such as de-escalating situations or exhausting alternatives before resorting to deadly force were required, respectively, of only 34 and 31 of the 91 departments examined. Only 30 departments required officers to intervene to stop a colleague from exercising excessive force, and only 15 required officers to report on all uses of force, including threatening civilians with a firearm.
Police departments are often resistant to restrictions demanded by reform advocates, but those policies work, the report showed. Police departments that had implemented each use of force policy were less likely to kill people than police departments that had not, and the lowest rates of police killings were associated with those departments that had implemented four or more policies — only about a third of the country’s largest departments.
“Few departments have implemented all or most of these policies,” said Samuel Sinyangwe, one of the researchers who worked on the report, “in part because of resistance from police unions that claim more restrictive policies will endanger officers.”
On average, researchers calculated, the addition of each use of force requirement could be associated with a 15 percent reduction in killings — and adopting all eight could lead to a 72 percent reduction in killings.
“A large proportion of police killings could be prevented through common sense policy changes that have yet to be adopted by the nation’s foremost police and city leaders,” the authors noted. “More restrictive use of force policies — and the accountability structures to enforce them — can produce dramatic reductions in the number of people killed by police.”
Better regulation of use of force is better for police, too, as the report also shows that the numbers of officers assaulted or killed in the line of duty decreased in proportion with the number of regulations adopted by their department.
Top photo: Police officers face off with protestors on Interstate 85 during protests on September 21, 2016, in Charlotte, North Carolina.
I enjoyed and appreciated your article detailing 8 policy changes that would improve police use of force and hopefully decrease the wave of primarily minority and mentally ill Americans being killed by the police.
My favorite one, not listed in your list, is the addition of mandatory dash cam, officer, gun and taser cams.
I realize the 8 items aren’t on YOUR list, and that its origins are another document, but the use of officer-borne cameras undeniably results in improvements in public/police interactions.
I have been following this issue for years, and routinely opine that the following items would help, too:
1) Body cams, gun cams, dash cams, taser cams. They are small, low burden, effective, cheap.
2) Camera malfunctions during a fatal encounter are career-ending. (Cops who can’t operate cameras should not operate guns.)
3) Shoot back protection – legal immunity for citizens resisting illegal or errant lethal use of force by cops.
4) Elimination of non-civilian weaponry (including military surplus) from domestic law enforcement
5) Special prosecutors for any police killing. No internal affairs whitewashing/coverups.
6) Bad cop registry – tracking routine offenders who move from department to department
7) National database on police violence use
8) Jail time for conspiracy, even if it’s inside the police departments and prosecutor’s offices
Most of these aren’t controversial. A few are on the edge, of course, but considering how one sided this has been for a few hundred years, a little overcorrection seems in order.
We grant the police extreme power and protection. It should be wisely balanced with a demand for good judgment, and those cops who don’t have it should not be cops.
They are a necessary evil, not a necessary good. It’s up to us to see that they act in a manner consistent with society’s legitimate demands.
Violence is self-sustaining. Each police outrage encourages an outrageous reaction.
One would hope restraint and de-escalation would prove to be equally correlated with increased peace between the police and the policed.
Great comment, though, I would like to see some substantiation for the claim that police are a “necessary” evil.
We have evidence, from the de-facto police strike in NYC after De Blasio was elected, that when police activity was basically nil in a major urban center, that crime rates went down markedly.
If we fix the root causes of crime, such as massive inequality, most likely, police would prove to be very unnecessary…
On the phenomenon of black cops killing innocent blacks, the mentality of the black officer is (1) low self-image and (2) heightened desire to belong to the white race — at least in terms of its privileges. For a really good insight into this watch the movie “The Glass Shield”. It deals with the pressure on black officers to be “cops first” brothers and honorable, honest citizens last.
not above some police to plant evidanc to cover their ass. in the past police did not shoot first but then they started hiring under sized cops who mentaly were scared ot their own shadows, should also be vetted with afull psyc exam befor hiring.
I think a #9 would be nice, requiring officers to render aid once someone has been shot. It is almost as inflammatory to see them on video, standing around chatting while the victim bleeds out on the street. People DO survive gunshot wounds, with proper care.
Or, start hiring people with adult minds. We have way too many adult bodies running around with juvenile minds masquerading as adults.
A good report. Thank you I will share.
My comrades and I were sitting around the table at Mayday Books trying to figure out how ‘police’ could be tamed. Some ‘transitional’ idea, you know. These 8 ideas I’m sure will lessen perhaps the amount of violence. However, the actual structure of the police in the U.S., their role as essentially an occupation army keeping the poor, black, Latino and working class at bay, indicates that these nice sociological ideas will never be really implemented. History argues against it.
But there is a real solution. Get rid of class society. That would lead to less crime, no poverty, racism no longer structural, no profit in jailing or exploiting non-white folks. In the long run, the capitalist police will be replaced with an armed population, policing their own neighborhoods. Sort of like Cuba.
Because the present police forces for the most part are irretrievably ‘unreformable.’
Hmm
Here’s the number one policy to prevent police shootings:
Comply with every instruction given by a police officer, whether you believe they were justified in pulling you over or not. Right or wrong, even in the Tulsa case, which appears to be the most egregious incident yet, had Crutcher complied and stopped walking away while the officers commanded him to stop and turn, he would probably be alive today. His hands were indeed up, but he did not comply with their instructions.
The only fitting response to such a neutered mindset seems to be “sieg heil”.
Tulsa County District Attorney Charges Officer Shelby With Manslaughter
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/terence-crutcher-shooting-tulsa-county-district-attorney-charges-officer-shelby-n652856?cid=sm_tw
The legal defense to a manslaughter is “I was scared!!! He was a big, black, well-hung super-predator!!”
She’ll walk. So will the other pussies that were with her.
Bob Mackey has a new piece up, specifically on the Charlotte shooting.
Chief Weasel Words really shines in his mastery of obvious bullshit.
Alice – thanks for this story. That database is a great tool. I shared with everyone I know.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/778971997657243648
Right. Since they’ve agreed to show it to the family, they had to make the slippery, weasel-worded admission that it “does not definitively show” him pointing a weapon.
On the other hand, they apparently have no plans to release the video (or even some of it) to the press and public. And in a few days, a new law will go into effect in NC that requires a court order to release such footage.
Judges in North Carolina are elected. How many do you suppose will be re-elected if they order the release of videos that the police and local power structures would rather not be seen by the public?
Yeah, I’m under no illusions that this video will be publicly released anytime soon. The only way that will happen in this state is if the video completely exonerated the officer involved (and I would have no problem with that). Since it isn’t I have to assume that it doesn’t. I just hope they have their lawyers with them when they view it. It really doesn’t help the police to keep this hidden. It makes them look as bad as they’re being accused of being.
Charlotte PD policies are viewable online. Their hundreds of pages of policies include 4 pages on use of deadly force. None of these measures are included. By contrast there are 14 pages on “personal appearance.”
All of that is already standard procedure for all Police Departments.
There is really only one way to stop Police shootings: stop resisting arrest. That includes: don’t point a gun at Police and obey all commands given by Police. It really isn’t that hard.
Yah, you really nailed the problem in the head there, bud. You got the answers!
¯\_(?)_/¯
//some people’s children… ugh
get a load of this guy
That sort of authoritarian nonsense, very, very often in the same words or a slight variation, is what you will find dominating the comments in virtually every local media outlet in the wake of a police shooting of a black or brown person, a homeless person, a mentally-ill person, or any other victim who is seen as one of the lower classes or in some way “lesser” than good and obedient Americans.
It’s the prevailing view of these incidents.
I know, I’ve taken a look at those threads. There are yahoo threads on that subject where reasonable comments are “voted down” by the hordes until you have to specially click on them just to see ’em.
Arguments you mentioned, along with my favorite classic whattabout: “what about black on black violence?” Well, what about it? It’s not much of a comparison. Plenty go to prison for that. The state didn’t arm, employ and protect from legal penalty the murderers.
It’s especially egregious when there is plenty of evidence that if this were true, white cis male men would be getting shot by police at an alarming rate. I have a relative who is a walking textbook case of this, with a 30+ year criminal history that includes getting arrested scores of times while high on just about every drug there is (including PCP and crack), DUI/DWI, found with weapons (no guns but others), open containers, & drug paraphernalia, resisting arrest (running, fighting, etc), arrested on probation and parole- you can pretty much name any situation people use to excuse police murder of unarmed black men and he’s been in it. He’s still alive, have never been shot or even tazed. Tackled once or twice maybe. He even had cops literally save his life when they came to his apartment arrest him on warrants & he jumped headfirst out of a 3rd story window to escape, high as a kite. It disgusts me how far people will reach to blame black and brown victims for their own murders.
>>> There is really only one way to stop Police shootings: stop resisting arrest. That includes: don’t point a gun at Police and obey all commands given by Police. It really isn’t that hard. <<<
CASE #1
COP #1: "Get in there, now!!!!"
CITIZEN: "Is that a gas-powered shower????"
COP #1: "Don't argue with me! BANG!!!!"
COP #2: "Did you see how that head came apart? Hard Core Bro!"
CASE #2:
COP #1: "Get in there, now!!!!"
SLAVE: "OK."
COP #2: "Does it smell good, citizen?"
COP #1 to COP #2: "Order one of those other slaves standing in line to throw that carcass in a wheelbarrow take it to the burn pile. NOW!"
COP #2: "OK. Yes sir."
The #1 difference between a free man and a slave is the right to keep and bear arms. US Supreme Court, Dred Scott decision, 1857.
Miranda: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."
Slaves had the same right and duty.
But, hey MusicCityDawg, The 13th Amendment DOES make slavery VOLUNTARY. That's your choice. You can't force it on me.
I am pretty certain that you don’t live on planet earth for you to make such assertions that all one needs do is obey police instructions. How many folks have obeyed and have still been shot at by cops. And why on earth would you shoot someone who has his hands up and walking away from you and poses no threat to the cop besides cause a cop says stop don’t mean you gotta stop if there is no probable cause for the cop to demand such cept you have no clue what your rights are as a citizen. The list of folks that have been shot dead even while obeying cops is endless so kindly dispense with your comments that makes for lame reading.
>>> How many folks have obeyed and have still been shot at by cops. <<<
It has a name… Democide. A public war/ Public Policy.
"Genocide" is when non-public faction kill other non-public factions. A Private war.
You'll be happy to know that the does not enforce the prosecution of democide nor genocide.
Big stink. Africa and Bosnia are examples.
They see it this way: "the sovereign" is like the plantation owner. And, the plantation owner can do whatever he wants with the plantation and lives with its boundaries.
Sad, but true.
I don’t think these things would actually be any help at all. Here’s what would help: (a) Every police officer wears a recording device…and it records voice and video. If it’s “not on” when an officer shoots someone, it’s assumed that it was an unnecessary shooting. The officer is off duty without pay until the case against him is filed and adjudicated. (b) The video and voice recording are released to the public as soon as it’s available to the department. Transparency…critical in EVERY police shooting!
All eight of these items are already addressed in the code of conduct of every PD in the US.
Did the idea of personal responsibility and NOT committing crime ever enter the mind of this journalist? (ie, don’t wave a loaded gun…no, it wasn’t a book…at a police officer.)
All of these points are reactive and after the fact and do nothing to actually prevent the confrontation with police in the first place.
Does the idea of justice ever enter the mind of this commenter? I don’t care if someone IS carrying a gun (and what about all of the Open Carry bullshit?), a cop is NOT judge, jury, and executioner.
Any cop who discharges his gun on duty, for ANY reason should lose his badge. If it’s a question of one’s life or one’s job, I would hope they would choose life. If it’s not a question of life or death, there is no reason to shoot. There are other methods of descalating a siuation
So no personal responsibility then, thanks for the response.
By the way: “…a cop is NOT judge, jury, and executioner.”
When you’re trying to kill him/her with a gun, as the suspect in NC was? Then yes, actually, he is all three of those.
I see that you also believe yourself to be judge, jury and executioner.
Another badge bunny.
America is full of badge bunnies — we are, largely, a nation of badge bunnies. Far from being the land of the free and the home of the brave, we are deeply conformist, authoritarian and vengeful.
As I have said repeatedly, reading the comments associated with stories of police shootings, at almost any local media outlet, will reveal that the overwhelming majority of commenters not only approve of these summary executions, they glory in them.
One of the often-used expressions: “taking out the trash.” That’s exactly what’s happening; the police are exercising dominance over the lower classes (and deliberately instilling terror), in their service to the owners and rulers and, incidentally, to the complacent servants and minions of those elites. That’s what they’re around for, that’s why they’re mostly unaccountable and untouchable, and that’s the way American society has liked it since the first police forces were organized.
Yes, this African-American officer, who grew up in these very neighborhoods in Charlotte and graduated from college with a degree in criminal justice, was “exercising his dominance over the lower classes” and instilling terror.
Brilliant, informed analysis of current events.
And yes, I’ll be a badge bunny for any African-American police officer who gets railroaded in the court of public opinion and has his life destroyed by the propagandist media that dominates this country.
All eight of these items are already addressed in the code of conduct of every PD in the US.
The study examined the policies of 91 of the 100 largest cities in the US and found that no police department looked at had implemented all eight policies, so you’re either lying or uninformed. You can read it. There’s a link right there.
Re this:
(ie, don’t wave a loaded gun…no, it wasn’t a book…at a police officer.)
The AP is now reporting: Police chief says video of Charlotte police shooting of black man does not definitively show the man pointing a gun.
See my comment above for the link to the AP tweet quoting the Charlotte Police Chief, who should know more about this than you.
Yes, this African-American officer, who grew up in these very neighborhoods in Charlotte and graduated from college with a degree in criminal justice, was “exercising his dominance over the lower classes” and instilling terror.
Again, you’re uninformed if you think this makes a difference.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/10/diversity_won_t_solve_police_misconduct_black_cops_don_t_reduce_violence.html
When the culture singles out a given slice of the populace, and you are a member of that slice, the pressure on you to toe the line is even greater. Just ask Hillary Clinton, whose hell bent on showing the world she belongs with the guys wearing the big boy pants.
So you’re just blatantly wrong on all counts.
Charlotte PD policies are viewable online and include 0 of 8.
That is not the document used to train officers at the academy for multiple years, it’s a 14 page online PDF…???
Well said. I believe that the BLM and SJW’s of this world have made things worse for all of us, including those they ostensibly represent.
There has been a clear increase in crimes perpetrated by minorities in many areas of the US since they have been ‘represented’ by the liberal class movements. Compounding matters are the myriad black people resisting any sort of compliance with a police officer’s instructions. They are now apparently entitled to resist inquiry or arrest at all costs, safe in the knowledge that a thousand white social justice warriors will come screaming around the corner to rescue them, even though most are guilty of serious crimes.
I have personally witnessed many incidents in NYC’s Harlem and South Bronx areas, wherein perfectly polite officers have stopped a known perpetrator only to be abused by the criminal themselves and, often, a tribe of locals jumping up and down and screaming injustice.
The NYC mayor’s decision to ban stop and frisk, lest his bi-racial son become a ‘victim’ has lead to an increase in illegal carrying of guns and knives which, in turn, has lead to increased crime against innocent contributors to society, you know, the ones that actually work and pay taxes.
The statistics are being ignored, and the lunatics are taking over the asylum. No wonder police officers, most of whom are regular human beings trying to do their best for themselves, their families and their communities, are getting the jitters and becoming a tad trigger happy. This is what happens when there is a little too much equality, and ill-informed ex-middle class tossers getting involved in city politics by the convenient proxy of their armchairs.
Let’s see what happens when the criminal fraternity they are aiding and abetting start moving their business models out to the suburbs. Just who will the armchair social justice warriors be calling for help, and will there be anyone left at the other end of the phone?…
I was born in the 50’s and I know cops used to shoot to wound. No more. They can/will be sued. The man in Tulsa that was killed, ignored every command to stop. When got to his vehicle, he reached inside. If you have the time, YouTube these conflicts, and find one in which the citizen obeyed every thing he/she was told to do by the police and still died. I’d like to see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE
Also, “comply or die” isn’t supposed to be a thing. There is such a thing called the right of due process that is Constitutionally guaranteed to every citizen, even if that citizen disobeys an officer’s command. Disobeying an officers command is NOT an automatic execution.
It is simpler than this article describes. Simply eliminate guns and tasers from 95% of the police force that interacts with the general public and train them appropriately. The cooperation from the community with such officers will be amazing. For suspect criminals who run from such officers a backup team armed with weapons and specifically trained for these situations is called in. This is the win win situation in the end. John Wayne cops can move to these special teams or leave the force. A new breed of public service oriented police can replace them, and we will all be better off.
You live in a fantasy land. The article should simply state, listen to the command(s) of the law enforcement officer.
Have you never met an authority you did not love?
Death counts do not concern you as they are deaths outside your privileged group?
“Simply eliminate guns and tasers from 95% of the…”
There is nothing simple about your plan. The reason why Obama can’t get federal gun control passed is because the American people will not let him. Many like owning a gun because the police don’t prevent but react to crime.
What makes you think they would let you take them from the officers if they won’t agree to give up their own?
Do not be so ignorant as to think that the government represents the American people. Polls show the majority of the public support more strict gun control http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
But that is a different issue. I am simply explaining that current problems could be best fixed by splitting the Police into 95% unarmed public servants, and 5% special highly trained armed officials. The latter is a group no rational criminal would want chasing down their ass. I frankly favor gun ownership and own weapons, but I do not carry them around in public and issue threats to people. That is a completely different situation.
The #1 difference between a free man and a slave is the right to keep and bear arms. US Supreme Court, Dred Scott decision, 1857.
The 13th Amendment makes slavery, VOLUNTARY.
Would you like a slave jury to enslave you? That’s what the Plantation Owner has set up for those of us like you and I. The jury pool doesn’t realize their own fate, yet. Unfortunately, I think they’ll finally wake up when the gas starts coming out of the shower head.
Charlie,
What makes you think the public wants Police Officer’s with deadly weapons to stop them for non-threatening traffic offenses? If you can not see what can go wrong against the public in this situation then you need to look harder.
Maybe have every officer spend one week every 2-3 months on foot or on bicycle patrols through their patrol area where they have to interact with people personally. One: they would gain perspective of the people. Two: residents would see officers as human beings.
The bully type of cop would be more exposed and citizens could make more reports which would help departments remove the more dangerous few abusive officers. Communication would ease the Us vs them mentality on both sides.
Just my two cents worth.
This officer was an African-American who grew up in these very neighborhoods in Charlotte and graduated from college with a degree in criminal justice.
Don’t let reality get in the way of your fairy tale narrative though, bullies and bogeymen make great bedtime stories.
A degree in criminal justice?
(Like other euphemisms that terminology elevates the meaning of a degree granted after 2 years, or even less, from a community college. )
Any cop with a real degree in criminal justice should be able to assess a situation and ask questions instead of shooting a defenseless person and leaving him bleed out and die on the pavement.
Deaths from high speed police chases does not get enough attention. Hundreds are killed annually in such chases (exact numbers are unknown because no one collects national statistics). Many agencies already restrict high speed chases and these policies are working and saving lives! Restricting such chases will save more lives than any of the recommendations listed in the article.
I agree with some of the statements–trying to de-escalate a situation is far preferable to using lethal force if possible. Also, verbal warnings should ALWAYS be used prior to using lethal force, and there are others I agree with wholeheartedly. However, having said that–how many of us are expected to face a life-or-death situation in a given day? How many of us are trained to use a sidearm, much less are versed with the laws in the use of them? Having been one who has carried a sidearm for work and has had a fair amount of training in its use, I can say that unless one has extensive training in deterrence, the first reaction is to prevent violence against oneself–often with lethal results. Additionally, when fractions of a second can make the difference between living and dying, most of us will choose to live.
The bottom line for me is, since we don’t know EXACTLY what happened or what the officer(s) saw or what they felt when they did what they did. All of the “monday morning quarterbacking”, along with the exaggerations and outright LIES on social media only add to the initial shock of the situation, and then foment the hatred and riots we’re seeing now. I agree with trying to de-escalate a situation if at all possible; however, we need to understand that it may not have been possible. If it was, and the cop was in the wrong, charge them with murder. If it wasn’t (like in Ferguson), then charge those who have propagated the lies and fomented the violence surrounding the incident, and toss their azzes in jail–along with those who supported the violence financially.
blockquote>If it was, and the cop was in the wrong, charge them with murder.
You’ve been cave dwelling for so long that your cave walls must be decorated with photos of happy, excited crowds of white people standing around admiring their latest lynching of the black man or men hanging from the tree in the center-background of the photo.
Nothing will stop the murders!
Police kill with impunity.
Obama / Loretta Lynch, the black faces of white supremacey.
But only after a “thorough investigation’ ……..not.
It’d be interesting to see how implementing most or all of the policies will affect the number of cases where force is used AGAINST a police officer
For a black person, a human being like everybody else, the US is not better than the Apartheid South Africa. For a Palestinian and the rest of the world, Israel is the new Apartheid protected by the US, UK and Canada.
… and how about the (possibly) most important policy of all — civilians demanding some level of accountability from the departments AND individual officers who appear to be able to murder citizens indiscriminately, with no consequences? As matters now stand in these United States, the police can get away with just about anything, and justify it by citing concerns for their “personal safety”.
If “personal safety” is such a huge concern for a police officer, he probably should consider another line of work. Meanwhile, “Serving and Protecting” the communities which they control??!? My a** —
MANY years ago, when I was a teenager, I caught the words printed on the back of a police cruiser out of the corner of my eye and misread them as “To Protect and to SCARE”. I thought it was funny at the time, now it seems prophetic. They protect their own and scare everyone else.
What is needed is not more bills but more humanity. That’s all.
If officer feels threatened it is a failure of the police tactics used or supervisor and he must back off. He suppose to be peace officer, bringing peace, lowering tensions and resolve conflict and not under the gun or with the gun.
Those who cannot understand that nothing in their job is personal, or challenging their personal ego with words or behavior of a citizen in distress and that they are there to humbly serve public they must resign immediately.
Problem is that they have no alternative to make 100k + retirement as rookie and hence police jobs attract lowlifes and psychos police mafia connected military killers looking to get high on domination over the defenseless.
Lower their salaries to nation average and see them joining criminal they pretend to police like Rampart scandal showed.
“Those who cannot understand that nothing in their job is personal, or challenging their personal ego with words or behavior of a citizen in distress and that they are there to humbly serve public they must resign immediately.”
So what you are saying is that you have never taken anything personal at your job? Are you a robot?
You probably are human and all humans make mistakes and take things personal sometimes, including you, me and everybody else who comes here.
We can’t all resign immediately.
@Charliethreee-it is that humanity, you give as an excuse to make mistakes, that should be doing the exact opposite. Our humanity should be driving law enforcement to impliment countless other techniques of intervention that support and preserve life/our rights.
“Mistakes”…… Come on man? Taking a life is the ultimate act. By definition law enforcement personnel are experts in the employ of their duties. Therefore, there is no excuse for mistakes, especially ending a life. That is absolutely intolerable…..
We are already driving law enforcement to improve and will continue to try to do better as a nation.
And statistically yes these are mistakes for the most part. There are 300+ million Americans. Last year less than a thousand died. Do the math. It’s a problem that we need to work on but it’s not a catastrophic problem.
Even if you live in the hood, it’s not Syria.
Cops make mistakes in the line of duty. They are not all experts. Just like on your job, not all of your co-workers are experts. Some of your co-workers are likely nimrods and an equal number of cops are nimrods.
You don’t solve that by jailing all the nimrods. We can only try and teach the nimrods as much as possible.
Mistakes are human and if you can’t excuse them then you will end up driving yourself crazy because I can all but guarantee you have made some doozie mistakes just like all of the rest of us.
You are in law enforcement so you want people to see the humanity in those who are employed in your line of work. I get it but it fails to justify the firearm discharge of the expert holding it that results in the killing of an individual who that expert is mandated to do the exact opposite. The firearm expert is ONLY going to reach for his/her firearm when it’s going to be used. The moment an intervention is required/requested to, let’s say an expert killed a civilian, the termination of that intervention is filled with numerous steps. At each one that expert decides to escalate the intervention to the point of discharging his/her firearm. The frequency of this event happening, nation wide, is a fact that disproves mistakes.
Your math is a bad item to use to justify your mistake argument. If you are using the number the author uses to start this piece it’s useless. It’s a guess. A very low one.
Answer this very important question. Why is there NO database of any kind at any level of government of law enforcement shootings? You know how much paperwork is done by law enforcement personnel, being one, it’s most of what you do but NO dataset anywhere? That’s no mistake! That’s intentional!
“You are in law enforcement so you want people to see the humanity in those who are employed in your line of work.”
I currently administer a local Community Services Block Grant and I also work for the local newspaper as a journalist. I am not and have never been a police officer. Many years ago I did attend a police academy but after I decided that I did not want to do that as a career.
Officers are not firearms experts and you are free to have different opinions than my own.
Perhaps there is no database because law enforcement is local, not a federal process. My understanding is that the feds are trying to work toward this database. For what it’s worth, we should have one so that we can learn more about the problem and work on solutions.
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@Salzmann-yes you are correct, there is no national database on shootings by law enforcement. crgtbyuimUHGT54EDC BNM,,,,./
This fact strongly suggests a conspiracy.
Everybody ignore the essential issue: police officer must have courage ,cant be cowards.
And must of them are.
And training wont work
Officers / deputies are human. If most cops are cowards, most humans are cowards.
If your statement is true, you are likely a coward also.
http://theconversation.com/why-do-american-cops-kill-so-many-compared-to-european-cops-49696
Cannot help but compare these 8 policies to telling the executioners seconds before firing: “Please, be gentle!”.
What if police are all equipped with 360° body cameras where video and audio are live streamed to another officer remotely who has access to some form AI that can help by giving advice to the officer on the scene that is not marred by latent bias, prejudice or fear. I am betting a majority of wrongful deaths are from poor reasoning brought about being in a high tension situation. So, the remote office will be help with decision making by providing some AI with variables which then renders suggestions and mixing that with the remote cops own knowledge and experience without being marred by the heightened tension of being in a potentially dangerous confrontation. Armed with that, remote cop can tell the on-scene officer when the situation really looks like from a calm rational perspective. The remote officer might say things to the on-scene officer like, “you are in danger, unholster your weapon”, or “situation unlikely to escalate” or “use de-escalation techniques” etc. Of course this is just temporary until we finally have Robocop.
In 1989, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) handed down one of the landmark decisions regarding an officer’s use of force. The case was Graham v. Connor (490 U.S. 386). This decision created a national standard that is still in place today. In its decision, the SCOTUS made it clear that an officer’s use of force on a free citizen is to be evaluated as a seizure of the person under the Fourth Amendment. Indeed, the SCOTUS said in its holding:
All claims that law enforcement officials have used excessive force – deadly or not – in the course of an arrest, investigatory stop, or other “seizure” of a free citizen are properly analyzed under the Fourth Amendment’s “objective reasonableness” standard, rather than under a substantive due process standard.
There was a time when the “use of force continuum” was doctrine and we use the minimum force necessary to stop an action or threat. In this model, an officer could very well go directly to deadly force if he/she is presented with a threat that required such force.
Now, under the “objective reasonableness” standard, an officer can resort to deadly force and merely articulate what was going on in his/her mind (right or wrong – we never know) and the killing is justified.
Issues with inadequate, ineffective, inefficient, questionable police services are not very suprising when those services are monopolized… See ‘Democracy: The God That Failed’.
The usa-law enforcement aided and abetted by its governance has once again made out of abuse and murder a delectable thing by words (propagated by public officials) whereby using the legal word of “”force” that is (fomenting) plain violence, abuse and murder while under the color of law. No wonder such usa definitions come from a governance that calls torture “”enhancement interrogation techniques” and the deliberate perpetration of abuse and murder against non-combative, non-threatening fathers, mothers, teens and children at every street corner (even for traffic violations) is plain tyranny with impunity. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
Even the national anthem is an unequivocal celebration against people who were slaves that free themselves to fight for the british with the pledge of the uk monarchy not to return them to slavery under any circumstance. That is why we/you chant ignorantly “”” When you’re more outraged by an athlete not standing up during the national anthem than you are by the abuse, coercion,and murdering non-caucasian(non-threatening, non-combative) fathers, mothers, teens and children while under the color of law at every street corner of the usa neighborhoods, undermining the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs (that would have not one peanut butter of patriotism, none) thus then, you are part of the deceived by the manipulations and propaganda of the corrupt establishment and its tyrannical systemically racist law enforcement and their kosher owned media lapdogs. Is it too late to wake up?
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
……….
No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short
You forgot these eight policies:
1. Put your hands on your head
2. Drop the gun
3. Take your hands out of your pocket
4. Get out of the car
5. Get on the ground
6. I said freeze
7. Quit resisting
8. Quit running
COMPLY and you wont get shot, it’s as simple as that.
Color wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the (((media))).
Color wouldn’t exist but for the media, eh? Good God, get out more. What, you live in a cave where the teevee’s on all the time?
The Authorities approve of your devotion to obedience, Citizen.
And they take your defiant ignorance of racism/classism to the bank — every day.
Douggie … I realize you don’t have the mental capacity to digest this bit of information but this article is for those who do; https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/deadly-cost-americas-anti-cop-ideology-9027.html
Ah yes, the Manhattan Institute, Bill Casey’s baby. Mental capacity isn’t what is required to “digest” the shit that plops out of that place.
Now, run along and kiss a badge, badge bunny.
Douggie – there’s good and bad everywhere, even in policing. To think that all cops are bad, racist, whatever, really shines a light upon your shallowness.
The usa-law enforcement aided and abetted by its governance has once again made out of abuse and murder a delectable thing by words (propagated by public officials) whereby using the legal word of “”force” that is (fomenting) plain violence, abuse and murder while under the color of law. No wonder such usa definitions come from a governance that calls torture “”enhancement interrogation techniques” and the deliberate perpetration of abuse and murder against non-combative, non-threatening fathers, mothers, teens and children at every street corner (even for traffic violations) is plain tyranny with impunity. – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
Even the national anthem is an unequivocal celebration against people who were slaves that free themselves to fight for the british with the pledge of the uk monarchy not to return them to slavery under any circumstance. That is why we/you chant ignorantly “”” When you’re more outraged by an athlete not standing up during the national anthem than you are by the abuse, coercion,and murdering non-caucasian(non-threatening, non-combative) fathers, mothers, teens and children while under the color of law at every street corner of the usa neighborhoods, undermining the constitutional statues of the rule of law are saboteurs (that would have not one peanut butter of patriotism, none) thus then, you are part of the deceived by the manipulations and propaganda of the corrupt establishment and its tyrannical systemically racist law enforcement and their kosher owned media lapdogs. Is it too late to wake up?
written by a white racist supremacist against the slaves and any non-white who wanted to be free from opression and slavery became the anthem of the usa (were the secrets societies involved in this manipulation and deceit while dress in freedom and democracy clothing yet subverting it at every turn by chanting it away it perpetuated the deception by this secret societies by chanting it openly while the meaning is covert (taking the real history away from the minds of the population and history books and teaching nothing about this at any usa-public schools). Disgusting is short.
……….
No refuge could save the hireling and slave(black)
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
[he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves who had freed themselves]
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.
[The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over any non-caucasian that is anyone who does not look white/caucasian, thus transforming their opressors/abusers/murderers into the courageous freedom fighters]
Disgusting is short
There are criminals under the color of law who have the itch to commit and perpetrate the tryanny of murder at the slightest non-threatening, non-combative provocation with impunity, – Alejandro Grace Ararat.
>>> You forgot these eight policies:
1. Put your hands on your head 2. Drop the gun 3. Take your hands out of your pocket 4. Get out of the car 5. Get on the ground 6. I said freeze 7. Quit resisting 8. Quit running. COMPLY and you wont get shot, it’s as simple as that. <<<
You forgot… pull your pants down, bend over, and open your mouth… and DON'T YOU DARE THROW UP ON MY LAP!
That's what happened to dozens of OKC women who got pulled over by an OKC cop who was convicted of multi-rape, sodomy…. blah blah blah … and got 160 years.
Color wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the (((media))).
<<<
Prosecute cops for murder.
Do not let combat veterans be cops. They kill before they think.
>>> Do not let combat veterans be cops. They kill before they think. <<<
Not today's soldiers. MKUltra — Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket stuff. "The Marines do not want robots. The Marines want Killers."
"Born to Kill"
My great uncle served under Patton and got a Battlefield Commission to Lieutenant cuz everyone else was dead. He was in France. He cleaned up bodies after the Battle of the Bulge.
When he got his commission, he was actually in the act of throwing hand grenades into basements of French houses. HQ sent a Jeep for him and told him to get in. He thought he was being court martialed. He got his commission, instead.
He served in Korea and Vietnam, too. Retired as Lt Col.
He didn't talk about any of it until the 50 year anniversary at Normandy when he got to meet up with some of his old buddies that were still alive.
I believe that police use of lethal force would significantly decrease if we had national standards that any person entering any police academy must have as a pre-requisite an Associates Degree in Sociology and Psychology from an accredited college/university with zero online classes allowed.
Classes with real human beings would need to be attended. Term papers would have to be researched, written and typed. Classes would include, English literature and Communications classes.
I would rather have a college educated cop pulling me over than a mere pumped up goon who did three tours in Afghanistan and now thinks a job in law enforcement would be a “good idea”.
All we need is for one major city to do a pilot program like the one I am suggesting, to see after five years, if the statistics show a massive decrease in lethal force.
Yeah, because people with Sociology and Psychology degrees from accredited universities have proven themselves to be the backbone of morality and society.
Thanks, but no f*cking thanks!
Most of these cops are psycho killers BECAUSE of such sociology and psychology majors… like when then are informed that Males are ALWAYS the perpetrator because of their “institutional privilege” according to the Duluth Model.
I say, put a gun in everyone’s hand, and let God sort it out.
If “God” is sorting it out, what’s the guns for? You get that guns and religion are different things right? There are no guns in the Bible.
For all its faults, I don’t really see how the Duluth Model makes cops into “psycho killers”.
You also misunderstand what the value of education in social science is. Its certainly not to become “the backbone of morality”. An important part of it is understanding how a society’s morality is constructed though. Its the ‘big picture’ understanding of the forces that shape society that would actually be very useful to those unfortunate enough to find themselves tasked with trying to hold society together through state-sanctioned violence.
I’m less convinced of the value of psychology mind, given its practioners’ history of ethical violations such as designing Bush’s torture programme.
That’s an utterly absurd requirement.
You can train them on sociology and psychology, but requiring a degree is wholly unnecessary and rather ridiculous. Sociology and psychology can inform their training and give evidence of better policies and such.
Besides, what about a degree in Law or, even more practically, Criminal Justice? No one would do your suggested program because it makes no sense.
It appears Charlene has a degree in sociology and psychology.
The smug if everybody was like me, the world would be a better place theory is common around here.
Been waiting for the right moment to share this little gem. About one minute in the officer tells the man he is holding at gunpoint that he DOESN’T LOOK LIKE THE SUSPECT. They continue to hold him at gunpoint and let the dog loose on the man’s vehicle, in which his toddler is buckled into a baby seat.
You have to watch the whole thing to get a real understanding of what was done to this innocent man and his BABY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGGjMzbs2M
If they had done that to my baby, I’d have mopped the parking lot with them.
And leave your baby with no father? Sounds selfish.
Truly pathetic exhibition by the cops.
I expect to see a lot of OpEd pieces shortly suggesting “federalized” police.
when I was growing up, you often heard police say, and with pride, that most of them went through their entire career without so much as drawing their gun, let alone firing it. now, that pride is misplaced into seeing how many notches they can rack up. for those that think this change is an accident, or an evolution, you are wrong; it is planned and purposeful. they have become the internal army of the government, and we are the enemy.
Feel free to cite even one piece of evidence to back up your claim.
It’s quite possible that it’s simply you who evolved into a hater of not just cops, but our government and society itself.
I have no idea what the percentage is but I suspect it’s always been roughly the same. Cops have always made lethal mistakes. The change could be that it’s being reported on more because people absolutely love click bait stories that re-enforce existing stereotypes.
Have fun on the watchlist, brother. Burn one. Go to a concert or something, maybe even smile periodically.
Observe the evolution of domestic police into a domestic military force. The feds have given them military weapons, military uniforms and other military gear, including explosives and armored vehicles! If the cops want to use weapons and tactics more suited to a war zone, it’s hardly a surprise that ordinary people become the enemy that these warriors are trained and equipped to fight.
Look at the proliferation of SWAT teams throughout the nation and the frequency with which they are used. These were once exceedingly rare for obvious reasons. Few situations actually require SWAT tactics and few departments are likely to encounter such situations. How often is it necessary to conduct a nighttime raid using battering rams and flash bang grenades? The increasing use of SWAT teams and SWAT tactics is mission-creep. They’re being used in situations for which they were never originally intended.
It’s not just the lethal mistakes. It’s no-knock raids, beat-downs and a generally adversarial relationship with the citizenry. Go check out the web sites “Cop Block” and “Filming Cops” for weekly stories and videos about police abuse of citizens.
Killer Cops are all eminently replaceable with CIVIL police.
To say any given case of a copy killing an unarmed Black man is a lack of proper police training sounds plausible, but it is not exculpatory, and the assertion is in fact part of the problem.
This culture of the “Blue Wall” is not one of training and goes beyond police ranks to permeate the justice system as well as the larger culture from which grand juries are drawn. At root the job of policeman in capitalist culture is defending property rights of the property class, much like an attack dog guards a home, and for this purpose the naturally violent, if not proudly vicious, are recruited and protected by their owner-masters, which is to say the judicial system and the property state.
If the state really wanted CIVIL police they would not be allowed to carry deadly weapons unless perpetrators were indisputably known to carry them, surveillance and crime detection would be separate from arrests where special training (and possibly weapons) would be needed, and in doing so a whole different breed would be attracted to police work.
Now, a gunslinger mentality and a virtual license to kill attracts sadists, racists and assorted sociopaths to the job and encourages a police culture of violence above the law and a blue wall within which there is no right or wrong because there is no accountability.
A disarmed police force? Impossible, you say?
Cops do not routinely carry deadly weapons in Britain, for one example, so the scum of the earth are not so very readily attracted to their ranks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom
Removing that gunslinger attraction is the only measure that will structurally change the structural brutality in American policing. Then you can talk about training.
I think the problems are more fundamental than police behavior; it’s more to do with the gross wealth disparity that has spread across the United States, and the role the police are expected to play in protecting the wealthy from the poor.
http://truthvoice.com/2015/09/why-is-there-systemic-police-abuse-in-baltimore/
This is what gross wealth inequality leads to – small green zones protected by armed guards with orders to shoot to kill, surrounded by sprawling red zones where poverty is the norm, and the police go into these zones like military forces conducting raids (usually, only to clean up after violence has broken out, to protect ambulances and fire services, etc.). See Brazil’s favelas, for example.
However, if you want to see the real hardcore institutional racism, look at the narcotics police and the drug war. Police don’t go out planning to kill black people at traffic stops – but they do go out planning to target blacks for long-term drug incarceration. The narcotics police are notoriously the most racist and corrupt of the entire police force:
Since then (2001) that number has climbed to 1,000,000 in prison (NAACP), about 44% of the prison population. In contrast, police shootings are something like 50% white, 25% black, 24% Latino (about identical to the racial makeup of the 15% poverty group).
I think it’s more nefarious than just wealth disparity. It’s a designed mechanism to create divisions among citizenry, I.e, 99% of the people by creating the myth of safety. The idea that the poor and nasty people are coming to take from you what you possess.
The poor hardly ever take what they want by force. In fact they are many times denied even that what they have earned by those in positions of power.
However the fear of the other based on any device of division allows the 1% to divide and rule while the rest of us squabble.
You should definitely tell Glenn about these policies, as according to Amnesty police in Rio alone have killed over 1500 people in the last five years. Granted that’s against over 100 cops killed last year.
788 people killed by police? That’s not an accurate number because it’s too low…..
There is long standing law that clearly describes illegal acts by those in government and punishment. “The police use of force project” is very suspect. It’s people who are apart of the law enforcement apparatus. You can tell by the lack of any accountability related policies in the list of 8.
The number is almost certainly too low. There is no reliable, official count.
The Killed by Police count, which depends upon news reports, is at 842, including six yesterday.
There are no words sufficient to express the depth and scope of my appreciation for the amazing, wonderful work done by all at the Intercept.
Thank you all so much for helping to keep all of us free!
When the police give you a lawful order, you are required to obey.
Most police departments put the safety their officers ahead of the safety of the perpetrators/suspects.
Wearing a mask in confronting a police officer is a very bad idea.
Who was wearing a mask in the latest police shootings?
I bet S is referring to the pic above the article. Interesting question though, should citizens wear masks when they protest? Seems like most protestors could use a low-cost gas mask solution these days since the boys in blue love ’em some a that chem warfare!
I am sorry but when the police kill more people than the terrorist it is time to do something. The police has become a threat to our society. This has to be fixed ASAP with or without the government before people start organizing cops hunting party.
“I am sorry but when the police kill more people than the terrorist it is time to do something.”
I appreciate the laughter that caused!
Having followed this issue rather closely, for decades, it has long been apparent to me that easily-accomplished measures such as those outline above would result in a huge reduction in the number of police killings and other uses of force. All are obvious and quite simple to understand.
Why, then, have they so seldom been adopted or enforced?
I think the answer is pretty clear: Police officers, their managers and their government superiors all want force, up to and including deadly force, available to officers on the merest whim, without fear of serious consequences. They want this because it gives them the power over the poor and powerless that they believe is needed to prevent the lower classes from effectively challenging the social order and upsetting the power structure.
And the American public — the portion of it that matters to the elites and their minions — is perfectly happy with this state of affairs. Read the comments in any local media outlet in the wake of one of these incidents.
If the above assertions were not true, if police, public officials and the public wanted significant change, we would not be watching this endless streaming horror show.
Face it: this is who we, collectively, are.
The Public ?
The Public will get change the same way they’ve always got it .
BY FORCE !!!
You’re assuming that the public wants change and I’ve just told you that decades of evidence and observation indicate to me that it just isn’t the case.
You are also assuming that the public has tools available to it that would permit it to impose its will, by force, on the forces of the Rulers. That possibility is extremely remote in a world where the Bosses and their lackeys have tanks and drones and helicopter gunships and AC-130s, while the public has — not much.
36% of American households have any firearms and 3% own 50% of the weapons in private hands. Guess what the majority of those gun owners think about cops shooting uppity black and brown people, or poor people, or mentally-ill people, or anyone who DOESN’T OBEY LAWFUL COMMANDS instantaneously.
>>> anyone who DOESN’T OBEY LAWFUL COMMANDS instantaneously <<<
That's the "justice" dispensed by slave owners and fugitive slave catchers.
Slavery never went away. It only changed forms. (Read Leo Tolstoy's book, "Slavery of Our Times" written in 1901.)
Nobody has the guts to admit it. SLavery, today, is color blind.
No, slavery isn’t color-blind. That’s becomes quickly apparent when you examine the disproportionate numbers of black and brown people who are impoverished, trapped in ghettos, profiled and hassled by the authorities, imprisoned, beaten, or shot and killed.
It is true that the core issue is one of class, and that people of any color who are, or are perceived to be, members of a group consigned by our society to the underclass are frequently singled out for the same oppression and abuse, but having brown or black skin in much of America is an advertisement to the “forces or order” that you are probably fair game.
>> No, slavery isn’t color-blind.<<<
Yes it is. How much do you know about Quaker Trusts???
I just told you the "secret" to modern slavery. It changed forms. You are now given the illusion of freedom.
Slavery is a SOCIO-ECONOMIC system. It's an 'institution'.
I can give you plenty of real life examples that I've witness or discovered myself that prove this out — beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Read Dred Scott decision… ALL OF THE OPINIONS. Read The Amistad. Start there. Then start on Quaker Trusts. Once you get that, you'll be on your way to true enlightenment.
Doug Salzmann writes: “They want this because it gives them the power over the poor and powerless that they believe is needed to prevent the lower classes from effectively challenging the social order and upsetting the power structure.”
Actually, I think it is much more base than that. They want it because a significant percentage of those who enter police work are authoritarian assholes who enjoy wielding arbitrary authority over others with little or no accountability.
There, fixed it.
I think you’re right about the killer cops themselves.
The managers, politicians and the society as a whole have somewhat different, but complementary, motives.
“easily-accomplished measures such as those outline above would result in a huge reduction in the number of police killings and other uses of force.”
I’d add one more reduction – in the number of police – and therein lies the rub.
There’s a simpler explanation than class war by cops: police officers have quotas. Guns give them an advantage in keeping subdued those whom they cite and arrest to meet quotas.
“The ACRB promotes public confidence in law enforcement and lessens the possibility that future incidents of urban unrest will occur.”
I think every time I see you make a comment about class war by cop, I’m going to refresh your memory with the above quote. Nobody else will understand what I mean but you will.
Great piece!
Galacticus36215- it’s to bad your comment is the last one on this list because what you stated is correct.
Charliethreee-you are wrong!
I love you also, Phil. Now go get me my sandwich.
Not hiring insecure bullies who think poor people are inferior and black people are not to be trusted is what needs to be done. Authorities should be held to a special standard of self-control, but the establishment is determined that instead they have special impunity for wrongdoing.
Or those who are demonstrably incompetent: See Loehmann, Timothy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamir_E._Rice#Timothy_Loehmann
That is stunningly reprehensible. Sadly, I doubt the establishment really regrets such irresponsibility. I think the problem is that our culture not-so secretly admires bullying, and would rather make over-intimidating errors than ones that evidence timidity. So many people buy the propaganda which supposedly excuses the authorities’ excessive violence and corruption simply because the belief ‘might makes right’ has real ascendancy in US culture.
Perhaps it always has had, I don’t know. But we the people excuse torture, interventionism, police brutality by a lack of real moral fire in resisting it and demanding the government punish the offenders, as Doug points out above. It’s as though most everyone secretly wants to be Clint Eastwood, so they don’t make too much of a fuss about the winners and the powerful getting away with murder.
You forgot the most important elements of “the plan”….
1) Hire sane, common sense non-psychopathic / sociopathic people;
2) and, stop the MKUltra programming.
3) Don’t hire veterans of current wars (MkUltra brainwashees)
4) Don’t hire MkUltra trainers (brainwashers)
5) Get rid of the equipment mounted in cars that program them too… like “Stalker” (Look it up. There are others, too)
6) Tazers…. Electrocution device in the form of a handgun. Outlaw them. That’s right out of the movie, “Planet of the Apes.”
Why don’t you just give the cops whips like the old slave catchers??? That’s the way they treat everyone these days. At least it will be “honest.”
What is MLUtra whatever?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
A real life lets-create-a-master-race-of-terminators crap.
I will also suggest that all police academy recruits must have an Associates Degree in Sociology and Psychology from an accredited university/college.
When police officers encounter citizens they need to consider up to probably fifty different possibilities.
The person could be deaf, blind, mentally impaired, on drugs by choice or may have been dosed by someone else. They could be having a medical emergency dealing with diabetes or blood pressure or epilepsy. And on and on and on.
We need EDUCATED and INTELLIGENT and brutally HONEST police officers whether in New York, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Cleveland, Ferguson, Dallas or Los Angeles, whose sole desire is to PROTECT and to SERVE the American People.
Until we reach for our highest ideals as a society regarding those who are willing to risk their very lives to protect us, we will continue to see the kinds of unnecessary, heart-breaking and mostly preventable acts of violence against citizens and police officers.
I agree with everything you say,… except one thing…
“Protect and serve” means Protect the Treasury and Serve the Head of State.
We need PEACE OFFICERS again… not psychopathic KKK skinheads and similar degenerates.
Mayberry RFD may not be possible…. But, it’s a start.
A SUPER-SUPERMAJORITY of people are peaceful, considerate, respectful, and helpful to their fellow man. Very few look for trouble. When MOST do get into a spot, it’s usually just a matter of talking someone down.
However, the psychopaths like to fight other psychopaths. It’s territory kinda stuff. Territorial predators.
Everyone needs to look out for them. They’re not hard to spot… most people “feel” it in their gut. But, they don’t know how to deal with it.
But, regardless, these neo-nazi master-slave — warrior /gladiator types gotta go. They have no place with a badge.
A redneck with a badge is the most dangerous animal on the planet. See the videos…. it’s the proof.
All these comments are rightly negative.
I think what they are saying is our local and federal governments wrongly feel that you can “legislate away” all the evil in the world with laws and rules – you can’t.
Cops will stop shooting only when they feel like it and no law or set of rules is going to work.
I see the problem as cultural and a direct reflection of the Iraq war, 14 years in Afghanistan, 9/11, whatever….. we’ve militarized our local police and everyone wants to be a first responder. We’re so hyped up on Terrorism, suppression and guns that we see the enemy everywhere. With the way we train our police they can’t wait to pull the trigger.
It makes me feel better knowing I am not alone in reference to this concept you raised.
Seeing the enemy everywhere is kind of American. To change that, collectively as a people we would have to change. Change does not start at the top but the bottom.
If there are not enough of us who want to de-militarize the police or stop with the gung-ho foreign policy, how can we blame those who get elected by said people?
It’s easy to blame an officer for making a lethal mistake. It’s hard to look in the mirror and realize that if you aren’t active in the community, you too are to blame.
The article is incomplete in that the benefits to police is missing! It seems to be the same strategy our Nation is using ‘force’ which increases those that ‘hate’ us and return the violence our Govt is spreading.
So if following the ‘recommendations’ kills fewer peoples what the data showing? Or has it been skipped?
Huh ???
Parroting these worthless reformist nostrums just shows an ignorance of the function and purpose of our police ‘forces’ especially in poor urban areas. It also seems to justify their existence and necessity of their control over these areas and people.
The unabated killings of unarmed people even after all the demonstrations and hand wringing of so called progressives shows clearly what message is being displayed for all to see, the Occupying Forces are doing what their masters want them to do, terrorize the local populations and continue to fill the prisons.
“Not a single department was found to implement all eight policies.”
You may never find a single department willing to adopt those policies because they are not common sense.
Try this out for common sense: instead of asking protesters for solutions, ask protesters, officers, law makers and everybody else involved. If you seek out opinion from just the hardcore left, or only accept the solutions from the hardcore left, nothing will happen.
Most Americans are not hardcore left. If you want change you have to work with all Americans, not just those like you.
Saying this does not mean I disagree with your ideas, Alice. I like them all but they are not likely to be implemented.
Which of the eight proposals do you think are hardcore left or not common sense? To me, 7/8 seem like common sense solutions that should be implemented immediately. The only one that I don’t agree with is prohibiting officers from shooting at moving vehicles. I think that restrictions should be placed on that, but it shouldn’t be prohibited.
Using words like limiting and requiring = hardcore left. Remember, those on the right are going to use words like freedom and fear.
Limiting / requiring officers do anything regarding use of force is nonsense because when you think the other person is armed or going to kill you in some other way, lists and rules get thrown out.
The easiest policy to implement is requiring officers to use dash / body cams or respond in groups, wait for backup, etc…
The second you start lobbying to jail officers who make lethal mistakes, you are losing half the population at least. You want change? You must work with the folks who oppose jailing officers.
Is that fair? Yes, it is. It’s called democracy.
Saying this does not mean I disagree with your ideas, Alice. I like them all but they are not likely to be implemented.
Your reading comprehension is abominable. Or maybe you don’t understand the purpose of the blue-highlighted words, which are links to sources of information. The highlighted words new report lead to a report by researchers who examined hard data on all these policies and the conclusions that data supported.
The only nit I had to pick with this particular study – after reading it – was that it didn’t look at the role of accountability/adherence to the policies. The author stated elsewhere that this is something they pan to look at in future studies.
lulz at reading comprehension!
So basically what Pedinska is saying is that she did not like my use of “…your ideas, Alice.”
She wanted to make me look like an idiot but made herself just look like a bitter grammer nazi instead.
It doesn’t really matter if these are Alice’s ideas or from a study. It doesn’t change the reality that none of those ideas are ever likely to be implemented, especially at a federal level for reasons stated.
The thing that baffles me most about your comment is the final paragraph. It’s almost like you are agreeing with me without even realizing it. The accountability/adherence is yet another reason why these ideas won’t likely be implemented.
So I ask you, if further study is needed and the study cited has holes in it, than are you just questioning my reading comprehension because you are prejudice?
So basically what Pedinska is saying is that she did not like my use of “…your ideas, Alice.”
No. I was saying that your statement was an attempt to imply that study-based information was just nice suggestions offered by the writer here for consideration. Everyone can read what you wrote. and the meaning is really quite plain:
Saying this does not mean I disagree with your ideas, Alice. I like them all but they are not likely to be implemented.
That’s disingenuous and it’s not hard to see what you tried to do. The study also pointed out that all of them have been implemented by a police department somewhere, if not all at all departments. So you’re just lying with the second part of your assertion.
So I ask you, if further study is needed and the study cited has holes in it, than are you just questioning my reading comprehension because you are prejudice?
There you go again. The study didn’t have holes in it. It quite clearly did what it set out to do. I am simply interested in more information about a related issue and the authors said they will be considering that in future work. The doesn’t constitute a hole, unless you’re someone who just doesn’t like this report for reasons of your own.
Elsewhere above you ask someone for a cite. I literally LOLd. I have yet to see a cite from you. All you do is make assertions. I am content to let others reading here judge who has better reading comprehension as well as who is prejudiced and how about the matters under discussion.
police officer shot and killed Keith L. Scott, a 43-year-old black father who had been sitting in his car waiting to pick up a child from school.
For 16 years, we have conditioned the youth of this country to conflict, war, death, killing, misery, weapons, games to kill, and a mentality of paranoid defence that somehow killing another is a solution. The most accepting of this mental state will naturally gravitate to jobs that embrace this virtual power over others. Add to that the holding the genocide of Palestinians as acceptable by Hellary, overthrowing of the Honduras and murder of protesters sponsored by Hellary, initiation of the syrian war sparked by Hellary, bombing of Yemen courtesy of Hellary, arbitrary and capricious blame Russia for everything and brand them an enemy by Hellary. Then cap that with barack obama taking $40 billion of our tax money and giving it to the nuke crazed genocidal maniacs in israel. Compared to the evil generated by the pimped out whores in US politics, some police might see killing an unarmed darker skinned person on a scale from israeli styled defence to doing the country a favor.
There is only ONE thing ( other than money ) that will stop the non-residents with badges&guns from terrorizing the residents !
The COP must live on the block , or at least round the corner .
Until that happens the police are nothing more than occupation forces being outfitted by the Pentagon .
Hey Barabbas ,
I just figured you out .
At times you seem to have a grasp on this “Police State ” thing and then ,, Wham-Bam ,, you go dog-sht crazy ,,,,, like me .
You and I both know how this is going to end ,,, RIGHT ?
we live in a police state
wallstreet will keep printing money for bonds for military and keep billing Americans and throw Americans into prison of they protest and not pay their bill they established 24 december 1913 with the rothschild act.
until such time as this changes, we are all palestinians
So you think Trump is different?
Donald Trump said today and said he looked at the videos, in particular the one from Tulsa and that Terence Crutcher did EVERYTHING he was supposed to do. And then he said something like “i dont know what was in this police officers head. I am very very disturbed about what i saw”.
Hellary SFB Clinton on the other hand stood like a professional politician and waved her professional wand and tossed some glitter and said these things need discussion. WHAT A HOE. That Hillarybot has been programmed by her lover kissinger to do nothing and just talk-a-bout. WHAT A HOE.
Donald Trump would put together a FIX-THIS team as i would. 30 days, prescription finished, get out of my way.
Hellary, can she even serve coffee without effing it up?
Accountability is the key. When a cop shoots an unarmed person who is clearly not posing a threat to the police or anyone else, they should be immediately arrested, as any other person would be. Then, there needs to be a civilian review of the facts leading up to the shooting. Based on the findings, the case should proceed as would any other case with a Judge and civilian jury.
If there is video then so much the better. If not, then witness statements, etc. must be gathered, as they would in any criminal case.
The act of shooting someone who is not armed and seemingly not presenting a threat is a crime, no matter who does it. And the evidence of the action must be collected by independent resources.
The threat of accountability could be what we need. Implementation is not simple, but then, nothing involving official abuse ever is.
Zeke says —“When a cop shoots an unarmed person who is clearly not posing a threat to the police or anyone else, they should be immediately arrested,”
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By who ,,another cop ? Gimme a friggin break will you ?
The brothers in blue. The blue wall… haha keep dreaming.
By your Aunt Tilly, idiot.
One policy that would surely limit police killings is missing, and including it would help ensure that police weed out their own bad actors: make all payouts to victim’s families for excessive use of force be pulled from the police departments’ pension funds. We’ll suddenly see very thoughtful police responses to potentially violent situations.
Another could be as simple as: any police officer who uses deadly force on an unarmed person cannot EVER be a police officer again. If medical malpractice can ruin a doctor’s career – a career that takes dozens of years of training to even begin to practice – then we shouldn’t be shedding so many tears for a police officer that spent a few weeks at a police academy. They can go do something else.
I can’t believe that people haven’t shit a brick over the typical 6 million dollar payout for each of these police shootings! Where do you think the money comes from? What I’ve noticed is that the people paying for these wrongful deaths don’t include the officer that did the shooting… Seldom does the shooter live in the community that ends up getting stuck paying the bill.
Your logic is like saying the death penalty prevents capital crime.
The threat of financial consequences will not prevent these tragedies. I suspect you just want to see some cops go down hard for a change. It’s a classic eye for an eye theory. You hate it when you read it in the bible but love it when it suits you I suspect.
You are as consistent as HRC (which is code for not very consistent sir.)
I don’t see the connection? If there are no consequences is there any motivation for change?
Question: Do you expect your Doctor to carry malpractice insurance? They have several years of education, many years of specialized experience and are vetted under more extreme conditions than any police officer would ever face. Yet, they live or die by their ability to get insurance.
So, your logic would imply that dumb ass cops should get a break because they are dumb ass cops?
HRC would never be my choice for president. The little issue of hypocrisy when it comes to holding and maintaining a security clearance. I’ve held a high level clearance in the past, and was fully informed as to the consequences for screwing up. But, I guess that only applies to use peons.
” If there are no consequences is there any motivation for change?”
I mean no offense in saying this but your logic is similar to the OP. Consequences generally do not change individual behavior. Individual change is a product of said person being ready for change and having a realistic plan for how to change.
In other words, we can’t make officers less racist. To correct the problem, if it happens in your community, get involved with the collective, local solution.
This won’t get solved federally. Each of us is responsible for monitoring the departments created to protect and serve our communities.
Go on a few ride-a-longs. Get to know a few officers. Seek out how they feel. We can all do better making our communities better. Those who are not active in the community are to blame if no change comes. Don’t just blame the officers, it’s our fault also.
If consequences don’t really change individual behavior, then we don’t need the police.
(I always like philosophies that balance themselves out)
Or prisons. Problem solved.
Wonderful comment tlnc.
Accountability does change police behavior. In Georgia cops are never indicted for killing civilians. They’re protected. They have impunity. They know this.
Are you arguing against cops being held accountable?
Trying to shift the conversation to saying it’s citizens who must be accountable and get involved in paying attention to police actions is just plain weird. In Atlanta we have a citizens review board that writes up 20 pp. advisories on individual bad cop actions. Routinely ignored by the chief. Rejected with no explanation. As is his perogative under the current law. They have no power.
Citizens ARE involved already–monitoring and trying to hold cops to account for their actions. They’re ignored.
I call gaslighting on you for admonishing citizens for not doing ridealongs with cops or whatever-while resisting the notion that cops should be held accountable for their actions. That means getting indicted when they kill a civilian and having to explain themselves to a jury of their fellow citizens.
“Are you arguing against cops being held accountable?”
I am arguing against a witch hunt, yes.
The law is very clear on use of force. Officers have to make split second decisions and the law recognizes that.
If officers were shooting unarmed people on purpose, absolutely, charge them with murder but that is not what is happening out there.
Officers make mistakes in line of duty.
By the way, I thought this was cute having read your comment:
“The ACRB promotes public confidence in law enforcement and lessens the possibility that future incidents of urban unrest will occur.”
Seems more like you want the ACRB to take down some officers! Perhaps that is why you are being ignored?
You are dead wrong. The police departments in Ferguson, MO and Baltimore, MD are now under federal oversight by the DOJ’s Civil Rights division. In both cases the DOJ has demanded reforms from the local cops and the reforms are starting to happen.
This could not have happened without federal muscle–by your ludicrous suggestion of citizens be stirring themselves and doing ridealongs.
FYI, the Feds also desegregation schools in Georgia in the 1950s, after Brown v. Board of Education. When the first black students entered the University of Georgia, there were federal marshalls there to protect them from rabid crowds of outraged, racist whites. Local law enforcement could not be counted on.
You sound dangerously ignorant. I am guessing you are either from a white, low population state like Maine where none of this is an issue, or you are 22 years old and clueless. Or both.
Where is your evidence that I am wrong? The federal government has gotten involved with a couple of bad apple departments. That does not mean the federal government is capable of regulating every department. By capable I mean a president can never get Congress or the courts to sign off on such a plan.
Use of force is governed by state and local law, not federal. The chances that that law will become federal law is very, very, very low… about as low as us getting federal health care or federal gun control.
If you think I am wrong, that’s fine State why, don’t just accuse ignorance.
And who knows, you may learn something doing a ride-a-long. I’ve done it a few times, it’s scary, stressful work and I’m glad I don’t have to do that for a living. There is high turnover and it seems the longer you are on the job the higher probability for burnout.
The solution is figuring out how to help officers from getting burned out somehow. There are two sides to every story. If you do not want to learn the police side, you may be the ignorant one.
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Hi Charlie.
Maybe it was my not-very-unique choice of a name, but that was my first post on The Intercept, so I’m not sure how you could peg my consistency with a sample size of 1. Now it’s 2, but I haven’t contradicted myself (yet).
Your logic seems to assume that no incentive will change behavior. I think there is enough evidence to suggest otherwise and I disagree with your premise. Thus my proposed solution.
Neither of us knows the answer to this problem. Do not take my comment personally. It was not meant as an insult.
We have different opinions is all. Many here seem to think accountability is the answer and I don’t.
I think the answer is a combination of lots of things up to and including us learning more about them. I do not believe cops are intentionally shooting people because they are racist. You can if you want.
Good ideas!
The US finds itself in a paradoxical situation when it comes to police training and policy. On one hand, we see that a majority of police departments have flawed training and policies, leading to the suggestion that the regulation of police departments be a national priority, with standards set at the national level. That is the way it is in most of northern and western Europe, places where murder rates both by civilians and police are but a tiny fraction of what they are in the US. But on the other hand we see a near total lack of respect for the rule of law at the national level. Both the DoJ and the FBI have repeatedly demonstrated over the last ten years that they are not interested in the uniform application of the laws of the land. Hence it appears that there is no easy fix for the chronic problem of excessive violence and unequal application of the law by the police at the local level in the US.
It follows that if the police are to be reformed, it must be at the most local level, where citizens still have some impact over community policies. Perhaps a trend could spread from the small towns to the larger ones, then to the states, and finally to the Federal level. But I am not optimistic.
“excessive violence and unequal application of the law by the police at the local level”
This is the very reason why people in those communities subject to this inequality should arm themselves and defend themselves against local law enforcement, with violence if necessary.
The discriminate and arbitrary killing of civilians by government is the very definition of oppression.
Ehhhnnnn after much thinking on this subject, I disagree. As a species violence among humans is actually down. It’s crazy, but true (find some numbers on this subject at edge.org by searching “violence”). So, let’s keep it that way. How can we aggressively negotiate, without putting ’em all against the wall? (More political involvement, which HAS to be trending upward, right?!)
Throwing rocks at tanks is stupid unless you want to be a martyr. Guerilla warfare is the only way to go in these situations; learn from Ho Chi Minh. You can’t take on these people directly, they have too much firepower and will crush you. I’m not opining whether violence, nonviolence, or some combination is right or best, just how violence needs to be done if it’s going to be effective.
“the regulation of police departments be a national priority, with standards set at the national level. That is the way it is in most of northern and western Europe…”
I challenge you to think about what you just typed. What happened when Obama tried to create a national health care plan? What happened with ideas on federal gun control? We do not live in Europe, we live in the United States. Our constitution places states in charge of passing most laws. We likely may never see a federal policy on use of force.
Am I saying that is good? No, I am not saying that is good or bad. I am saying it is not a realistic solution to the problem.
Indeed, what you say is largely true. It is quite apparent to me that the US is a closed society in the sense of being unable to learn from external sources or adapt to a changing reality. And as to Galactus’ post, my reply is that although I would expect to achieve balance per the Lanchester equations, I have no expectation of being able to outgun the forces of order.
I used to think that way also but as I’ve gotten older, my ideology has become more moderate.
30% of us are moderate left, 30% are moderate right and the remaining 40% if hard left and right and independent. Of those who believe we need to learn to be like Sweeden, yall represent about 10% of the vote.
Until that number goes up, you are going to have to deal with the way most Americans want to be and that is American, not euro-commie.
We have the capacity to outgun them if we want. We were able to do so several times over the course of our history: New Deal, the 60s… even the occupy movement and arab spring were attempts at this.
Have some faith, brother. We aren’t as closed-minded as you seem to think. We’re just relatively happy and happy people don’t demand change much.