Updated | Friday, 11:23 a.m.
After a second night of angry protests over the fatal shooting of Keith Scott by a police officer in Charlotte, North Carolina, the city’s police chief admitted that dashcam video of the incident, which has not been made public, does not include “absolute, definitive, visual evidence that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun.”
Charlotte Mecklenberg PD Chief Kerr Putney is very deliberate choosing words to explain what he saw in video of #KeithScott shooting. @WNCN pic.twitter.com/oHCRQdCK1U
— Robert Richardson (@RobertReport) September 22, 2016
“I did not see that in the videos that I’ve reviewed,” Kerr Putney, chief of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police said at a news conference on Thursday. “What I can tell you, though, is that, when taking in the totality of all the other evidence, it supports what we’ve heard and the version of the truth that we gave about the circumstances that happened that led to the death of Mr. Scott,” he added.
At least one witness to the shooting, which took place on Tuesday afternoon as officers were searching for someone else and came across Scott sitting in his car, said that the victim was not holding a gun, as the police said, but a book.
I'm Black. I am 43. I read books. I pick up my kids from school. I am #KeithLamontScott. I just haven't been killed yet. #BlackLivesMatter
— W. Kamau Bell (@wkamaubell) September 21, 2016
Chief Putney, who has resisted demands from the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina and others to release all video of the shooting recorded by other officers and by cameras mounted on patrol cars, said that his department only releases footage “when we think it is in the public’s interest.” In this case, he told reporters at a news conference, “you shouldn’t expect it to be released.”
Asked by one incredulous reporter how withholding the visual evidence could be squared with the city’s promise of full transparency, Putney said, “I never said ‘full transparency.’ I said ‘transparency,’ and transparency’s in the eye of the beholder.”
#Charlotte Police Chief said "transparency is in the eye of the beholder." What does that even mean?pic.twitter.com/QOQUNfQRNe
— Erick Fernandez (@ErickFernandez) September 22, 2016
"I promised transparency, not full transparency. Transparency is in the eye of the beholder." Yeah, that inspires confidence. #Charlotte
— jelani cobb (@jelani9) September 22, 2016
Scott’s family has asked to see the video and Putney said that request would be honored, but he could see no compelling reason to make images of the killing available to the public. “The party right now, who really is my priority, in honoring their request, is the people who really are the victims of the shooting.”
Putney’s reading of the situation, that only family members of a man killed by a police officer have a compelling reason to see the evidence, clashes with an alternative interpretation: that the community as a whole is harmed by every instance of police misconduct and the public has a right to see information gathered by the force employed to keep it safe.
While the public remains unable to see and evaluate the visual evidence, fueling suspicion, one defender of the officer’s conduct, Todd Walther, a local police union spokesman, has been allowed to review the video. Walther appeared on CNN and seemed to suggest that the video supports the contention that Scott “was armed when he exited the vehicle,” before being shot and killed.
Charlotte Frat. Order of Police spokesman: Dash cam video shows #KeithLamontScott "armed when he exited the vehicle" https://t.co/NUCBRFkvYa
— New Day (@NewDay) September 22, 2016
At a news conference on Wednesday, the police chief had claimed that he was prohibited by law from releasing the video, since it was evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation. However, lawyers for the local CBS News affiliate, WBTV, have written to the police department asking for the video to be released in accordance with North Carolina’s current law on public records, which says that the “circumstances surrounding an arrest,” must be divulged.
As the WBTV correspondent Nick Ochsner notes, though, a revision to that law, passed by the North Carolina General Assembly and due to take effect next week, allows the police to withhold video from the public unless a court orders it to be released.
The law that @CMPD Chief Kerr Putney is citing in withholding video of shooting doesn't take effect until October #KeithScott
— Nick Ochsner (@NickOchsnerWBTV) September 21, 2016
This is not the first time the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department has refused to release dashcam video of a fatal shooting that angered the public. As Leon Neyfakh reported for Slate, three years ago a similar recording convinced Putney’s predecessor, Chief Rodney Monroe, to pursue criminal charge against one of his officers, Wes Kerrick, for the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man, Jonathan Ferrell.
That video, however, was not made public until Kerrick’s trial. While it confirmed that Ferrell, who had crashed his car and was then mistaken for a robber by a woman he asked for help, was unarmed when he was shot 10 times by Kerrick, the video also showed that he did run in the officer’s direction.
Although Kerrick – who had turned off the dashcam in his car – was charged with voluntary manslaughter, his trial ended in a mistrial last year, with the jury split 8-4 in favor of acquittal.
Anger over the failure to convict that white officer in the killing of a black man who was clearly unarmed helped set the stage for the outpouring of rage this week at the perceived injustice of Scott’s killing. Although the officer who shot Scott was also black – and some of the protesters filmed engaging in violence this week were white – the force is viewed by many black residents of Charlotte as biased against them.
In the immediate aftermath of Scott’s shooting, his distraught brother told a local news crew that pressed him for a comment: “All white cops are fucking devils – and white people.”
NSFW LANGUAGE: Tonight hear reaction from the brother of a @CMPD shooting vitcim on @wcnc at 11. pic.twitter.com/Kckyyi2Oni
— Trey (@TreyWCNC) September 21, 2016
UPDATE: Later on Thursday, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department Twitter feed reported that Chief Putney told CNN the video was not recorded from an angle that would show if Scott had a gun in hand.
Chief Putney tells @CNN, video is not from an angle that would show gun in hand. But witnesses saw a gun and one was found close by. pic.twitter.com/OqLrZqwsuL
— CMPD News (@CMPD) September 22, 2016
Hours later, demonstrators chanted for the release of the video during street protests in the city, as my colleague Alice Speri reported from Charlotte.
On Friday morning, Charlotte’s mayor, Jennifer Roberts, told CNN that she does want the video to be made public, eventually, but called the visual evidence “inconclusive.”
Charlotte mayor on video of police shooting: "I would like to have it released" https://t.co/gJ8vMwCtRN https://t.co/rCpFujdwlM
— CNN Newsroom (@CNNnewsroom) September 23, 2016
At a news conference later on Friday, the police chief said he still opposed doing so. “I know the expectation that video footage can be the panacea,” Putney said, “and I can tell you that is not quite the case.”
Top Photo: Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney at a news conference on Thursday with Mayor Jennifer Roberts.
I’m not sure why media is doing such a poor job of being truthful about the rioting in Charlotte. It is so far from peaceful. Cops have been very badly hurt, yet they only mention two with eye injuries and two with heat conditions. Rioters were throwing rocks at police officer’s faces, along with water bottles and anything else they could. They tried to shove an unconscious journalist into trash cans of fire. Thankfully the police rescued that journalist.
Privately, our anarchist Obama rather enjoys seeing all of this mayhem spinning out of control. He is sitting back and enjoying this race war he started.
Obama hates Americans, the Constitution, and free market capitalism. He destroyed our economy with measures like Obamacare and immigration amnesty. My health insurance bill is up to $555/month thanks to Obamacare. (Compare this to my $25/month auto insurance from Insurance Panda or my $10/month renters insurance… both private enterprise!). Our economy is being burnt to nothing in this “melting pot”
A group of rioters beat up a white man and dragged him naked through a parking garage. The brother of Scott said to kill any white person. This would be terrorism if any other group was ravaging a city like this. I am scared for the officers and any innocent citizens that get on the wrong street. Large groups were blocking the highway at midnight and surrounding cars beating the cars and creaming at the passengers. Unacceptable in a civilized country. Where is the commander in chief? Why is he not demanding peace?
BLM folks need to stop creating unnecessary hassles all over the country-side. There was no need for that BLM policeman to shoot another BLM chap.
The public asked to see the video. Was that too much to expect ? Obviously it is, and they act surprised when riots start. Tulsa shooting video wasnt withheld, no riots. How stupid than this citys administration be ? They film the mans brother AFTER his brother is killed and they want that released nationwide. By with holding the video they MAKE THE OFFICER LOOK GUILTY !
Carolina Police Department sounds like they are waiting on video expert to create a doctrines up video to dictate the original video and the State is afraid to release the video, because it seems clearly the department have lied and all trust is out the window and this is why the Chief will not discuss any basic or any type of details, because he don’t want to get involved or indict. He is playing it safe and not trying to let the white man suckered him out his way of surviving…meaning his job. Read his eyes they are staying just down the line to keep from telling a criminal lie or telling the truth.
By L.Moore
The family has released video of the fatal encounter, and at the 1:45 mark the officer in red can be seen clearly tossing a pistol to the ground, toward the executed man’s outstretched hand.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/charlotte-shooting-video-footage-shows-fatal-encounter-between-police-keith-n653426
What a nigger, amiright?
Fuck you, racist.
Nice job, you troll hacker. Time for a new name..
Stop Protecting the officer and Release the video .we all Know now it was true the officer commited Murder!
Officer? Phullleeeeeese.. spare me. A murderer by any other name is still a fucking murderer. Meanwhile, speaking of scumbag cops ..
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/police-accidentally-record-themselves-conspiring-fabricate-criminal-charges-against
Since N Car. constitution section 30 says all citizens have a right to carry, shooting someone carrying seems suspicious until we see every white man carrying killed by police before they even talk to them. It is blatant when a black man who might have had a gun can be shot when thousands of whites carry them in public and gun nuts even carry assault weapons to rallies and they don’t automatically get shot by police. Something is rotten when only blacks are immediately killed for doing something that is scary but legal.
I am white middle class, but the racism and police abuse is obvious to anyone except the racists and the authoritarians.
“I promised transparency, not full transparency. Transparency is in the eye of the beholder.”
So is a ..lying, degenerate scumbag murderer… wearing a police uniform with a badge.
You’d think that the city authorities to whom this obtuse specimen of a police chief reports would require him to release the video.
Glenn to Karl:
Karl is a pig ignorant righwinger, who squeals with anger when presented overwhelming evidence that White Christian America cemented slavery and racism into the American character and our history. He cannot be reasoned with. At all.
He’d read Howard Zinn or any other serious scholar documenting historical facts, and credit it all, right around the time pigs take to flying. You should have seen the apoplectic seizure Karl had when I quoted from scholar Robert Jones’ new book: The End of White Christian America, and documented that the largest protestant denomination in the U.S. began issuing a series of apologies to African-Americans in 1995.
Karl doesn’t want to discuss what The Southern Baptist Convention has been apologising for.
“I said ‘transparency,’ and transparency’s in the eye of the beholder.”
Well said, Chief! You just got yourself a job on Team Obama, spreading the gospel of Qualified Transparency across this great nation, and helping to keep the darkies down.
Eric Holder must be grinning ear to ear.
The Police chief and the Police Dept. are not elected officials. The Mayor and City council report to the people and need to decide when evidence is made public. If there is a contract which states anything to the contrary it needs to be changed! This notion that the police are in charge of us has got to go!
https://memegenerator.net/instance/71904952
Why release anything when the ZioMedia will take any footage and use it to incite violence. The media has become the enemy of the people. No matter what would be on the take, it will be used to justify the BLM hate and violence.
So…you are a racist asshat who thinks “ZioMedia” incites violence on the part of black people. Slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, segregation, a racist drug war and crime policies, grossly disproportionate numbers of black lives and families destroyed by brutal prisons, and endless black people murdered by cops and in jails, none of that has anything to do with black anger.
Martin Luther King:
This is fake since Blacks neither read, nor carry books…
http://www.confederatepastpresent.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117:speech-of-jefferson-davis-before-the-mississippi-legislature-nov-16-1858q-where-he-advocates-secession-if-an-abolitionist-is-elected-president-&catid=41:the-gathering-storm
Hi, Jeffy.
http://www.confederatepastpresent.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117:speech-of-jefferson-davis-before-the-mississippi-legislature-nov-16-1858q-where-he-advocates-secession-if-an-abolitionist-is-elected-president-&catid=41:the-gathering-storm
Hi, Jefferson.
Says a member of the Charlotte police department who was at the scene and wished it was he who fired.
Don’t judge others by your own stupidity.
Are a democracy with the greed & power issues or a 3rd world rathole with democracy wishes?
Stop this. Property ain’t people.
The biggest mistake the North made upon winning the war against the traitors of the South, was not hanging everyone from Jefferson Davis on down-those that were reasonable for the treasonous rebellion- at the end of the conflict.
We are STILL dealing with poison of slavery today. To those who think the Southern traitors had even a glimmer of a ‘noble cause’…well, F*ck y’all.
That’s real sensible since about 1% of southerners owned slaves..
“don” is typical, either a paid propagandist (most likely the case) or an ignoramus who knows as much about US history as he/she does current affairs, and obviously that is not much.
There was a report I read recently that stated most people make their opinions based upon reading the comment sections of web sites, NOT FROM THE ARTICLES THEMSELVES. To wit, organizations such as “Hasbara” work tirelessly to “educate” and manipulate people based on propaganda they promote in comment sections on web sites, such as this.
Generalizations are the tool of the manipulator, and if you (“don”) are on a rather savvy web site such as The Intercept, its likely you have a goal. If the goal is not gain information, it is often the case these days to direct the conversation towards hate and division.
TJM – Amen to your assessment. “The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.” Gustave LeBon – The Crowd.
Oh for fucks sake. If stupidity were weather you’d be a full blown 5.9 hurricane. Btw you racist asshole, please tell us then, why the other 99% joined the Confederacy, hmmmm?
You’re “1%” is not even close to the truth.
http://civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm
Sherman reincarnate here ^
wow
What’s up with the comment board? Innocuous comments holding me up?
What scares the police state is that half the court cases for crimes are false convictions based and lies, especially the “jail house witness crap”. And that future cases are not to be believed. Maybe that’s a good thing.
Seems like that open carry law that NC conservatives like so much just might bite them in the ass on this one…
Remember when people were shocking by Rodney King? Remember how the results of one case caused rioting? Now we see case after case, video after video, witness after witness, and yet, no major riots. We have peaceful protests infiltrated by “agitators”. Agitators. Don’t get too mad Americans.
In a day and age when the footage from a normal video camera can be processed/analyzed to provide a sound track of what is being said, in a normal voice, from the sound induced movement of an empty chip bag, it is hard to believe that a video clear enough to show an object is in someone’s hands can’t be processed/analyzed to determine if the object is a book or a gun. Or maybe that’s what the police are afraid of, crowd sourced, bit level analysis coming out while everyone is paying attention.
That might be, but after the family viewed the video they said they couldn’t tell what, if anything was in his hand. But they also said there was no aggression from him or approach towards cops, or any visible reason at all that appeared threatening to ultimately prompt the fatal action taken by the police.
To the naked eye, the chip bag in question is completely still. I was aware that the family had viewed the video, and hadn’t been able to make out what he had in his hand, but the processing/analysis I’m referencing can actually ‘see’ things at a level smaller than the pixels that make up the recording. That’s an order of magnitude better than a human eye looking at a video displayed on a standard screen. Just as programming has reached the point where a computer can play Go in real time better than the human champ, image processing has passed the point where a computer can see better than a human.
yet the nsa can read your license plate from space.
It would be really reckless to edit a video that is likely to be used in judicial proceedings and release the edited version. Video experts on both sides will have to verify that the video is original and unedited, and the fallout from having released an altered version to the press and public would be huge.
And tampering with the original would be very difficult, as well as very dumb. Charlotte PD uses Axon body cameras made by Taser. Short of physically destroying the camera, there’s no way for an officer to access the recorded data.
When the camera is plugged into its dock for recharging, the recorded files are uploaded to cloud storage provided by Taser. Every time someone even looks at the video, much less edits it, the action is logged in the cloud.
I understand the next generation of the cameras will upload to the cloud in real time.
So, sure, the cops could edit the video, but they’d get caught, sooner or later.
That’s why they don’t want to release it and why they’ve passed laws in NC to make it harder for the press and public to get access. You can pretty much bet that the family’s description is correct: the video doesn’t support the “version of the truth” the cops have been trying to sell.
When ‘they’re not complying’ is a legitimate excuse to execute an unarmed person, we have a problem. Disrespect (perceived or real) is not punishable by death (or shouldn’t be at least). If you’re a jumpy, trigger happy scaredy cat who is only looking out for yourself, you have NO business being given a gun with impunity. That is no way to ‘serve your community.’
…and your buddy Hillary refuses to release the transcripts of her speeches to Goldman Sachs… do you see the dangerous precedents that are maintained by the corrupt leaders you support?
Of course they wont anymore than the US Govt will relaease its “evidence” tying Russia to MH17 because if such material supported their narrative it would have been out there pronto. Instead the narrative is muddied but repated often and loudly so it becomes “truth”. “The Russians took out an air liner” “the black guy pulled a gun”.”..the North Vietnamese fired on our ships….” Assad gassed the people in Ghouta” ….Quite a pattern. Wouldnt work if the media didnt cooperate – as they always do…
it looks like the USG is a lying shit gfn bunch of sfb’s.
reason – US accuses Russia of lighting up the syrian relief convoy. Jets use missiles. IF this was a hit my missiles from jets, THE CONVOY WOULD BE DUST AND THE ROAD TORN TO PIECES. But the images do not show that. OK. IF the convoy was hit by rival gangs with mortars, there would be bullet holes everywhere and they would have done so to steal the trucks with the goods. The images do not show that either. I wondered – what else would do far less damage and leave the trucks there?
ANSWER?
https://www.rt.com/news/360165-us-drone-syria-russia/
yep. That is exactly what a pic of a convoy would look like if hit by a drone. Does syria have drones? i dont think so. does Russian have drones? havent heard of any. Does the US or Israel have drones – sure as shootin.
i doubt it wold be israeli bc the distance is too far for that i think.
A black man in a traditionally white man’s job dare not act in support of a disadvantaged black victim if he doesn’t want to become a disadvantaged black man himself.
Barrack Obama and Clarence Thomas have had successful careers living by that creed.
Good for them, too bad for you if you are not them.
This comment is nothing but racist nonsense akin to that of the KKK.
Explain your understanding of racism or else be a Dirty Stinken’ Liberal.
See, I can call names too.
Learn to read for comprehension. I said the COMMENT was racist. However, I can understand why you took it so personally…
Intentionally assassinating the character of a highly successful black man because his behavior does not comport with your biased view that black success equates to servility in “white” American society amounts to the permanent marginalization of all black Americans. You do this with apparent ignorance of the extraordinary sacrifices made by countless individuals who often put themselves directly in harm’s way to realize the founder’s dream of racial equality in America society.
“the founder’s dream of racial equality in America society.”
Go back to a good history book—maybe one by Howard Zinn, since you are demonstrably a novice—and learn how infantile and naive you are.
I haven’t time to hold your hand and wipe your nose.
Having both read and met Mr Zinn, I can assure you that his own deep-seated bias very much dictated his work product – especially “A People’s History of the United States.” I cannot tell you how many times that I have heard lightweights like yourself drop Zinn’s name as a form of covering fire for retreat.
Here is some reading for you while you are “On the Road.”
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/howard-zinns-history-lessons
America’s founding fathers were deeply divided over the issue of slavery as can be readily evinced from the historical record of their debates. To hear Zinn tell the tale, the high sounding arguments of the northern white gentry who opposed slavery were nothing more than “rhetoric” that was intended to mask their true intention of sustaining, in perpetuity, their own privileged status. Thus the burden was placed exclusively on the black man himself to educate his white counterparts on what it meant to be truly humane:
Now go and read the actual letter to get a true sense of that which Benjamin Banneker was attempting to convey to Thomas Jefferson (then Secretary of State).
https://www.facebook.com/TrueAfricanAmericanHistory/photos/pb.189924047791064.-2207520000.1468574571./834862926630503/?type=3&theater
Zinn was intentionally misinterpreting the past with the goal of shaping a future that would best reflect his own bias. He interpreted history with the intent of wielding it as a weapon against a deeply entrenched, multi-generational, transnational class of moneyed elitists.
I think we’re all on the same page here. And I know Glenn can speak for himself, but I think the impasse between you two is that Glenn doesn’t want to disparage all successful black Americans. He’s just hurt by injustice and feeling threatened by the rigged system. He see how many black Americans, even succesful ones, meet hard ends, and he sees that some of the most powerful ones that don’t help the people, but actually ignore or hurt the people, live the rest of their lives in comfort. I see that, and I’m sure you do too, Karl. Now, let’s see what conclusions we can draw from these facts.
KKKarl has never met an Uncle Tom he didn’t like.
“Transparency’s in the eye of the beholder”????
I think Sherlock Holmes was on to this guy when he said,
“You are absolute plate-glass. I see to the very back of your mind.”
It’s well known that a pen is mightier than a sword. So it wouldn’t surprise me if a book were more dangerous than a gun.
This is not to excuse the behavior of the police. But until the United States stops fetishizing the First Amendment and allowing people to openly carry books, the police are going to be so nervous that they will continue to over-react, with deadly consequences. I personally blame the First Amendment nuts and their stupid slogan that “Books don’t kill people”.
Lol, you slay me Benito. :)
He slays me too… w/ the pen, of course (or keyboard) … well maybe a pen.. deuce might use a stylus, yes?
……books…..the core provocation of every civilized civilization….
According to the Pope you can ‘kill a person with your tongue’.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/23/pope-francis-journalism-based-on-gossip-and-lies-a-form-of-terrorism
National Guard has been deployed in Charlotte, NC.
Republican stonghold of conservative “small government” and “states’ rights”.
An open carry state, because, as the second amendment folks say, only the threat of the people being able to shoot back can keep the government from sending troops into the street to threaten the population.
;-@
*****
Kerr Putney, Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, Don Lemon, and a few more have one thing in common…being total overseer/Stepen Fetchits for white AmeriKKKa
And Barack Obama, Condi Rice, Eric Holder and quite a few more.
Not too surprising, Uncle Toms and Oreos usually receive rewards from the establishment for selling out — and even on the plantation, the “house niggers” had special privileges not permitted to other slaves.
Uncle Tom? Really? It is only a matter of time before the source of white guilt reveals itself for what it truly is… deeply repressed racism. Take a look at the correct interpretation of Harriet Beecher Stowe’s character “Uncle Tom”:
Rescuing the real uncle Tom
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/opinion/14Reynolds.html
Interpretation of the novel (“correct” or otherwise) is not an issue here. The epithet “Uncle Tom” actually has its roots in derivative writings, not in Stowe’s work itself.
It is the commonly-accepted meaning of the epithet that guides me in choosing to use it here.
I hope this helps (I doubt it, of course, but one can hope, however futile it may be).
Parroting the bigoted views of those who had/have a vested interest in denigrating an extremely noble character (role model) is to advance their cause. The same was done with Mark Twain’s noble portrayal of a black freed slave in Huckleberry Finn.
http://www.articlemyriad.com/character-analysis-jim-huckleberry-finn-mark-twain-antislavery-message/
In suggesting that the use of a perverse derivative of such noble examples of humanity is okay because it is “commonly-accepted” is to equate virtue with servility to the detriment of us all. There is nothing more that a self loathing, racial bigot desires than to bring others down to his/her own level by encouraging beliefs and behaviors that, by their very nature, undermine their intended targets innate capacity to most full embody those principles which have the greatest capacity to perpetually nurture and sustain ones dignity and humanity.
Ha. You think your invisibility cloak is working, don’t you? Well, sorry, Bubba, it ain’t.
But, keep on trying. If you can’t blind them with brilliance, you can usually baffle them with bullshit and you’re clearly a master of the latter. In most forums, it would work. It won’t work here.
The problem, BTW, is with real bigots, like you, who equate servility with virtue.
Now, take Glenn’s advice and go read some real history.
This is a perfect example of how a closet bigot reacts when exposed… Notice that when the use of specious logic failed, Mr Saltzman (AKA Mona) immediately resorts to character attacks with the hope that she can bring me down to her level.
Ka-ching! Another surrender.
Nasty little slavery apologist…the stupid is strong in you.
I read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”, so I don’t need some wank from the Olde Crack Whore of NYC to explain it…unlike you.
I suggest that YOU read Jefferson Davis’ speech: http://www.confederatepastpresent.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=117:speech-of-jefferson-davis-before-the-mississippi-legislature-nov-16-1858q-where-he-advocates-secession-if-an-abolitionist-is-elected-president-&catid=41:the-gathering-storm
The protester in Charlotte whose death was prematurely announced is now actually dead.
And the police claim that he was shot by another civilian at the protest is being challenged.
It’s ludicrous for them to even try the lie of a protestor shot the man, but even more so because the suspected impact projectile has been noted to be either a gas canister or “less lethal round.” Protestors don’t generally arm themselves with gas canisters or rubber bullets or other types of “less lethal rounds.”
One more of the countless examples of cops committing crimes, and then lying profusely and absurdly in their attempts to cover their crimes.
It is “ludicrous” to take as fact the eyewitness testimony of protestors whose riotous actions are prima fascia evidence that they are already deeply biased against the police officers whom they hold responsible for the death Keith Scott.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103632412.html
Now, how do you explain your own deeply biased rush to judgement?
While I might have been or could be incorrect, and might have “rushed to judgement,” an arrest by the police is not even close to proof that police have arrested the guilty perpetrator of the crime.
Without a shred of evidence to support the witness claim that Justin Carr was the victim of police violence, you asserted that “It’s ludicrous for them to even try the lie of a protestor shot the man, but even more so because the suspected impact projectile has been noted to be either a gas canister or “less lethal round.” The is no room for “might have” or “could be”. For once, admit that you wrong and acknowledge that your own bias predisposed you to assuming guilt where there was none.
The presumption of innocence should apply to everyone, should it not?
People are posting tweets by eye witnesses that not only contradict, but are actually quite sickening if true. And certainly not beyond any shadow of doubt considering the behavior we’re consistently seeing.
RT has a report worth reading:
https://www.rt.com/usa/360330-justin-carr-charlotte-dead/
(Anyone who feels the need to have a meltdown because someone dared to cite RT, just send postcards to “California Putinbot.” No need to take up space here.)
I wish the USA had an equivalent to RT, it’s a great site IMHO.
You might want to do a little research on RT and who runs it. It is is basically Putin’s propaganda arm run by an old KGB crony. Sorry to dissapoint.
Use of the words “civilian on civilian” is a slippery practice because in this militarized police state of affairs, people forget that POLICE ARE ONLY CIVILIANS without license to kill under their non-combat rules of engagement with other civilians.
Assume the video shows the worst because if it didn’t the world would have already seen it.
“protesters filmed engaging in violence”
Those are called ‘rioters’.
Tulsa County District Attorney Charges Officer Shelby With Manslaughter
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/terence-crutcher-shooting-tulsa-county-district-attorney-charges-officer-shelby-n652856?cid=sm_tw
Right; she should have let him reach in the car and see if he came out with a shotgun. What was it about STOP screamed at him he didn’t understand?
Fortunately, the District Attorney obviously disagrees with your opinion.
Maybe you aren’t aware of the fired South Carolina State Trooper who has been charged with felony assault and battery and possible 20 year term for shooting an unarmed Black man who was reaching into his vehicle to retrieve his license. The victim was one of the rare, fortunate ones who survived.
Yes. Shot reaching for his wallet….after being told to produce his wallet. Fuck everyone who says you’ll be safe if only you OBEY. That’s a fucking lie.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/index.html
Perhaps he was medically compromised, in some way. We don’t know, yet.
Quite possibly. I vaguely remember a new story recently about a deaf man shot to death by police, but don’t recall the details. There are many ways to get killed by police these days without being guilty of anything. I don’t see much evidence that any great number of police have really been trained to deal with the mentally ill.
“I don’t see much evidence that any great number of police have really been trained to deal with the mentally ill.”
Sadly true. Tragically — in some cases.
The DA, not being a damned idiot such as yourself, had probably, because of studying video and frames from the video, became aware before filing charges that Terence Crutcher couldn’t have reached into the closed door and window of his vehicle for anything, much less a weapon at the ready to take on four cops with guns pointed at him.
Only explanation for someone as desperate to make excuses such as you are is being a racist fool. What a shitty way to live your life.
Enlarged images from the helicopter video footage shows that the window was not only closed, but streaked with Crutcher’s blood, which continued on down the door of the vehicle.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/terence-crutcher-shooting-death-us-policewoman-claims-unarmed-black-man-putting-hands-in-car-a7320316.html
Was he going to reach through the glass? The window was shown to be rolled up.
In Oklahoma, first degree manslaughter is a felony. The minimum penalty is a prison term of 4 years. Furthermore, first degree manslaughter is an 85 Percent Crime, which requires the person convicted to serve at least 85 percent of his or her sentence before becoming eligible for parole.
http://www.ok-criminal-defense.com/manslaughter
Thank you Karl. I’d not been able to find that yet.
OK, now I believe Betty Shelby is “never so scared in my life.”
Refusal to release footage is tantamount to an admission of criminal behaviour, and should be treated as such.
The Guardian is now reporting that the Charlotte police Department have agreed to allow the victims family to view the video of the actual shooting.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/22/keith-scott-video-charlotte-police-shooting
After a night of violent protest, the police have concluded that it is not in the public interest to a very graphic video of the shooting. I am quite certain that
the family will cry foul if the video doe not provide conclusive proof that the police version of events was true and accurate – especially considering the level of racially charged vitriol publicly expressed by the brother of the slain victim.
If it turns out that the police were justified in using deadly force, then I hope that Mr. Mackey is man enough to condemn the wanton violence coming from those whose own deeply-seated bias resulted in a hate-filled rush to judgement.
“Refusal to release footage is tantamount to an admission of criminal behaviour, and should be treated as such.”
Wrong! It is evidence in a criminal investigation. It is very much a modern trend to release video such as dashcam, and it leads to trial by public mob, rather than a legal process. Certainly, the video needs to be released, but the chief is under no obligation to do so sub judice.
Sometimes it takes the release of a video before a real criminal investigation is even started.
it leads to trial by public mob, rather than a legal process.
Yes. There have been many sightings of strange, blue-clad fruit hanging from the trees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c52ElU5tQNo
“In the immediate aftermath of Scott’s shooting, his distraught brother told a local news crew that pressed him for a comment: “All white cops are fucking devils — and white people.””
Nice way to round out all the tweets.
Another Stenography 096 draft from NYT Bob; he should read Lee Fang’s piece. That is journalism.
Funny.., I thought the inclusion of the brother’s purported comment was not only unnecessary, but patently offensive. But Mackey is all about sensationalism even when it is at the expense of the victim’s emotionally distraught family.
It’s also patently offensive for police to call people “Bad dudes” and theorize about what drugs they may be on.
I think it’s way past time for us to see the raw emotions engendered when someone unnecessarily loses a loved one to institutional violence.
I had raw emotions when it happened to someone in my family. I would have loved to have had a video of me being honest about how I felt published for mass consumption. We avoid these things at our peril because people will find ways to exorcise their grief and anger if it is not acknowledged and if justice is not served. That is unavoidable.
Yes, I agree. It reveals an unacceptable level of presumptive bias by law enforcement officer whose actions are theoretically restrained by the need to show reasonable suspicion as a legal pretext to escalating procedure against a citizen.
“a local police union spokesman, has been allowed to review the video”
What a joke. Korrupt Killer Kops shoot first and dodge questions later. Gun control should implemented for cops, not citizens.
A. it wasnt a book, it was a gun and he doesnt want to embarass his people
B. it was a book, not a gun and he doesnt want to embarass his people
C. the video was sent out for editing and hasnt returned yet
AMERICA COULD BE IN THE TOILET
D. It was a gun, but it wasn’t being used in a threatening manner or during the commission of a crime, so it was perfectly legal and not an excuse for shooting the guy — but they’ll come up with something.
E. The police planted a gun or something that looks like a gun. Repeat their story. All surrounding cops in a 2000 mile radius agree as does the media. They have a mock investigation and find the officer behaved appropriately and goes back to work next Monday.
C. I truly believe there’s a system in place to edit these videos. Why wouldn’t they? There’s no independent authority in place to guarantee video authenticity. Hold the video and wait to see if the event (murder) was filmed by someone. If no one comes forward with cellphone footage after a certain amount of time, proceed with editing.
Video editing almost always leaves telltale signs (artifacts of the editing technique used) that can be detected by experts in the field. As such video must eventually be handed over to the defense for image forensic analysis, it would be extremely foolish to risk being exposed for tampering with evidence.
By “defense” I mean those representing the legal interests of the victim (accused suspect).
Yes. But totally unnecessary when you can rely on “incompetence” or “mishandling” rather than “purposeful tampering” which is risky (if caught).
More importantly, use of dash cams or more importantly body cams will never solve any problem unless two things are required by law:
1) they can never be turned off for any reason, otherwise a legal presumption is created against the offending officer on the relevant element(s) of a crime;
2) the unedited video must be archived for 20 years and subject to civilian oversight (although not necessarily public release–I am no fan of police, but each officer has rights to and a balance must be struck when to publically release and when not to).
Short of that the creation and use of video or body cams will create as many problems as they will solve. At least as a legal matter.
Additionally, and more importantly (IMHO and legally speaking), the America system of (in)justice needs to abolish the following legal standard that purportedly “justifies” the use of deadly force by police officers in America against any human being–” “in fear of their lives or in fear for the lives of others.”
I don’t want any police officer having de facto legal immunity from criminal or civil accountability based on his/her subjective fears no matter how well founded by purported life experience or experience as a police officer.
Being a police officer is an incredibly powerful “trust” we (the rest of us lowly citizens) place in those individuals we pay to nominally protect and serve. Personally, I don’t believe even “mistakes” that result in the death of another human being at the hands of a police officer should be tolerated. We should have zero tolerance for “mistakes” just as we should with criminal behavior for police.
Having the power of life and death over your fellow citizens should be a zero tolerance endeavor. I could care less about a police officer’s “career” in law enforcement. I care that no human being is killed without sufficient factual and legal justification.
And if you aren’t (wo)man enough to deal with your, what I presume are very real fears (although many are not, but rather self-serving justifications), then you have zero business serving as a police officer in America. Equally, there should be required (and we should be willing to pay for as taxpayers) ridiculously intrusive psychological evaluations (ongoing over the career of someone in law enforcement)) to root out those officers who are incapable or psychologically unfit or incapable of seeing every human they interact with as individuals, with inherent worth, and who are entitled not to be shot down in the street but to be arrested and prosecuted accordingly if/when necessary.
It should never ever be a policeman’s job to employ deadly force unless it is “objectively” reasonable (justifiable) under the factual circumstances of an encounter with a citizen. And what is “objectively” reasonable cannot be within the sole purview of police officers, management and their unions. They need truly independent “oversight” and not from politicians but citizens groups with significant legal empowerment to issue subpoenas for all relevant evidence.
Anything short of those ideas will never yield “justice” or “accountability”.
@rrheard-this is almost perfection! I say almost out of jealousy. So, I guess it is perfection? On second thought I see one detail that is a problem. The prosecutor still has the final word and if a prosecution is put before a jury, it could be a trial set up to lose. There has to be a prosecutor whom has no connection to the law enforcement community.
@ Phil
Agreed. Prosecutorial “discretion” wielded unjustly and/or prosecutorial “politicization” is definitely a problem as well in America’s system of (in)justice.
But I was more trying to address the sub or discrete issue of wrongful shootings from the perspective of the relevant legal standards that protect cops, as opposed to the unwillingness of nominal “allies” (police/prosecution) in the judicial system to hold each other accountable as a discretionary matter.
Although I have suggestions there–like a reform that requires prosecution and defense to be situated in same “office of justice” and which side you have to take (prosecution/defense) for any given client (state/defendant) is determined randomly. This can/could create some ethical conflicts, but it is my understanding there has been at least one pilot program (Florida maybe) that is trying this.
Dismantling political elections for judges and DAs is another part of the equation that needs to be changed.
“This can/could create some ethical conflicts”-This is a crisis by members of the BAR. The BAR is equally responsible as the police because it’s a club. A family member has been abused by local authorities because an attorney whom has close relations to said authorities was mad at this family member. The color of law abuses by authorities and the unethical conduct of that attorney can be easily proven with evidence in possession but corruption is to deep for a legal remedy. We went to the local BAR for a referral to an attorney to represent this family member and sue for civil rights violations by the local authorities but the BAR returned our referral payment with a note stating there was nothing they could do to help? How does my family stop this abuse without the only thing left which is violence? The culture in the police is the same in the BAR. Reform has to happen in both.
“protesters filmed engaging in violence”
Those are called ‘rioters’.
NC is a gun friendly, right to carry state. So even if he did have a gun, it’s legal and lawful to carry. Were there any verbal communications from the cops before killing Mr. Scott?
The withholding of video leads to speculation of cover ups and zero transparency. Contrast that to Tulsa.
It’s also hard to believe the police narrative as Mr. Scott had a regular routine of picking up his son at 4 pm every day and was often seen reading in his car while waiting.
I love Bree Newsome’s tweet:
“Let’s not address systemic oppression, let’s just monitor and police how the oppressed respond to being oppressed.”
-the establishment
“protesters filmed engaging in violence”
Those are called “rioters”.
I don’t understand why they get to decide whether to release the video. It’s public property. It was filmed on equipment paid for by taxpayers, and filmed while on the person of an on-duty employee paid out of public taxpayer funds. So, by definition, it’s public, isn’t it?
yes it is. But public property is claimed by thieving wallstreet interests who need their secrets to keep robbing the public.
It looks like police are finally embracing video. It just took them awhile to grasp the true purpose of video – to exonerate police.
As long as police get to decide when and when not to release video evidence, we can be sure that body cams and other police video will brilliantly fulfill this purpose. Hopefully all police are honest, as we won’t be allowed to see video unless the police think it is a good idea.
all police are honest who are not members of THE NETWORK.
Just wait ’til they start hiring experienced video editors.
I don’t think “transparent” can be modified by an adjective. If it isn’t transparent, it must be either translucent or opaque.
But the chief really likes qualifying his definitions:
I’d bet this guy couldn’t tell the truth in a simple, declarative sentence if you asked him what he had for lunch.
Don’t the police realize they appear to be nervous and and acting suspiciously. Their words do not soothe or project confidence.
[What I can tell you, though, is that, when taking in the totality of all the other evidence, it supports what we’ve heard and the version of the truth that we gave about the circumstances that happened that led to the death of Mr. Scott,” he added.]
No gun but…
Now the truth has versions?
He said “OUR version of the truth.”
That’s exactly what they want us to believe, their version…..
I think you’re confused. There was a gun. There was no book.
[the city’s police chief admitted that dashcam video of the incident, which has not been made public, does not include “absolute, definitive, visual evidence that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun.”]
Fine. Where’s the video that proves your assertions? Otherwise, we have only the word of the police who have a vested interest in covering up anything that may be incriminating to themselves. After all, the police know how to hide books and replace them with guns.
There was a gun. There was no book.
Pretty definitive coming from someone who hasn’t seen a video.
Even if there were a gun, NC is an open carry state. And even the police admit that he was not the man they were looking for.
If the police shot me, they could state ‘we found no book’ with perfect accuracy, even if I’d been reading a title I’d borrowed from the library. Because, of course, the title would be a file that I read on the same iPad I’m writing this on. Oh, and friends and family would be quick to say that if I was sitting in my car waiting, I was reading a book. (Easy to stop reading when interrupted by the arrival, then pick up where I left off. Not so easy to stop listening to a TED or science podcast then pick it up later, the difference being in how the brain processes text vs audio, I do believe)