Peaceful protests continued for a fourth night in Charlotte, North Carolina, after a video released by the family of Keith Scott revealed new details about the moments leading up to his death and raised a series of questions about the police account of the incident.
But despite ongoing anger at city officials, who continued to refuse to release their own video of Scott’s shooting, protests on Friday night were mostly somber and reflective, as protesters and residents grappled with the released video’s emotional content, and with the death of Justin Carr, a protester who was shot earlier this week.
Five mintues to curfew #Charlotte pic.twitter.com/DVMMd3JzJu
— Alice Speri (@alicesperi) September 24, 2016
Hundreds of protesters continued to defy the midnight curfew imposed by Charlotte’s mayor, and after rallying, and even dancing, near the city’s police department and marching through the city for a few hours, they gathered by the spot where Carr was shot in the head, where they paid tribute to his life with a minute of silence and took a knee in a gesture inspired by Colin Kaepernick that is quickly becoming a signature of this latest wave of protests against police violence.
After curfew #Charlotte pic.twitter.com/hU3MIaZYvZ
— Alice Speri (@alicesperi) September 24, 2016
Police have arrested a suspect in Carr’s murder — though several of those who were present have raised doubts about the official account of the shooting. Earlier in the evening, at a nearby church, his family and neighbors came together to try to grapple with the absurdity of his death.
“If Mr. Scott hadn’t been killed, then Justin would be here,” an uncle said, speaking from the altar. “He was a humble man.”
But while the service mostly steered clear of the polemics raging on the streets, those who took to the podium were quick to point out that Carr’s and Scott’s deaths were both unnecessary and reflective of a growing fear dominating the lives of black men.
“This feels very different,” said a speaker at the church, who talked about being profiled regularly throughout his life, being pulled over up to 15 times a year — “and once, twice in one day” — but never fearing for his life as much as in recent years. “I have been pulled over before, and I know to keep my hands visible on the wheel. But today that may not matter,” he said.
“We, as men of color, we don’t even have to commit a crime, and we know what the results can be. Look around you. Who’s next?” he asked, before joining the chorus of voices in Charlotte calling for police transparency. “We’ve gotta let them know they’re not serving the city by not releasing the videos.”
The video that was released on Friday — which was filmed by Scott’s wife and captures her begging officers not to shoot him — sparked renewed anger about the incident, but also made it even more imperative for police to release their own videos to try to fill in a picture that remains confusing, many agreed.
“I don’t understand why they shot, she was explaining everything, he doesn’t have a gun, don’t do it, he’s disabled and stuff. Why are they shooting? Did they not listen to her?” asked Desja C., a 17-year-old niece of Scott, who with her 14-year-old sister was selling signs to raise funds for his family. “He had a wife that loved him, and she was right there when it happened, screaming, ‘He better not be dead.’ And if she would have run up to him, she would have got shot, they would have thought she was trying to do something.”
More prayer than protest in Charlotte tonight pic.twitter.com/EW2JhSVCaM
— Alice Speri (@alicesperi) September 24, 2016
The sisters were at an early evening rally that was more prayer circle than protest, where a church choir in all white sang “it will get better” and people carried signs saying “We are not filled with rage, we’re filled with righteousness.”
"It will get better" #Charlotte pic.twitter.com/ZBE6xkK1ct
— Alice Speri (@alicesperi) September 24, 2016
Earlier that day, the girls had staged a protest on their high school’s field track and talked with their civics teacher — a former police officer — about the wave of police violence across the country. “We asked him a lot of stuff, like why do they shoot first, why do they not spray? He said they’re trained to shoot,” said Desja.
But her sister Nevada wondered whether the protests would make a difference.
“Black people are just trying to get their point across, but I don’t know if it’s working,” she said. “It keeps happening, you have protests, and then someone gets shot in another city and it moves on to that city.”
Nearby, a group of young men had brought boxes of colored chalk and called on passersby to “say what you feel” on the sidewalk by the spot where Carr was killed. Soon the pavement was filled with his name, Scott’s, and those of dozens of victims of police violence across the country, as well as messages of anger and hope.
People leaving messages in the spot where Justin Carr was shot during Wednesday's protest #Charlotte pic.twitter.com/ON4FfyzdyO
— Alice Speri (@alicesperi) September 24, 2016
Brodie Mayes, one of the young protesters who was writing on the sidewalk, said they first started writing the names by the city’s courts, where a police officer walked over them trying to erase them.
“He was kicking the names, trying to smudge them up, then he looked at us and kept walking. What was the purpose of that?” he asked. “But it makes me happy that they’re mad that they can’t get under our skin.”
“It’s like the riot,” he added, noting that things on Wednesday had been peaceful until police started firing pepper spray balls. “It came from the police.”
During the last two nights, police mostly displayed a hands-off approach to the protests that many said contributed to keeping them peaceful. They did not enforce the curfew and allowed protesters to march through the city until most dispersed on their own a couple of hours after the curfew. Protesters themselves did much of the policing — encouraging people to keep walking and not do anything “stupid” when small groups separated and appeared intent on provoking conflict.
A police officer who walked alone through the crowd of protesters said the plan was to “let them walk and talk — it’s easier than butting heads.”
Good night, Charlotte. pic.twitter.com/egEjZfVcUS
— Alice Speri (@alicesperi) September 24, 2016
As the protest wrapped up, people pledged to come out again on Sunday, during a much anticipated Carolina Panthers game. Some lingered by, watching videos of Scott’s shooting on their phones. “The tape just brought what our minds were thinking happened to reality,” said Mayes. “Like when you’re having this nightmare, and now it’s reality and you can’t wake up.”
“For his wife to have to witness something like that, and go through that, that’s terrible man, to hear her say don’t shoot, it breaks my heart,” he added. “They killed an innocent man in front of his wife. And even if he had a gun, it’s legal, this is an open carry state.”
Then another protester pulled out videos of a protest in Atlanta, in solidarity with Charlotte’s, but apparently larger. “It’s already on to the next city.”
Let us not forget that the pigs all walked in Baltimore. Why do we think the Justice(???) will prevail in Charlotte?
Please define your perception of “justice”.
I’m not being belligerent. Just curious.
Suicide by cop, once again.
http://postimg.org/image/ig7kn8k3v
Yes it is a major problem, cops eating their guns because they can’t live with themselves anymore.
As far as the Charlotte case goes at least one cop murdered a man and as usual the thin blue line is covering the truth with lies.
What a sick joke your mind plays on you.
A. Citizen. A straight up short series of questions for you:
1. Are you a cop? Or officer of THE LAW if you prefer.
2. Is any member of your family a cop?
3. If not a cop – are you are any member of your family in civil service, i.e. officer of the court, judge, lawyer, county clerk, bailiff, etc.?
As for the picture of Mr. Scott exiting the vehicle – looks like a broom handle to me. ‘course… I’m half blind, but I used a magnifier.
I have four nephews who are or were cops. One recently retired as captain. One was the youngest officer ever to become lieutenant in his state. The other two are still active pigs.
I have sat at several family holiday dinner tables and listened to them talk and laugh about some of the atrocious deeds they have done to minorities. One told of how he used to take his junior pigs out “nigger knocking”. None of them have been in the military. Wannabes.
I no longer, and haven’t for a while, attend holiday get togethers with that side of the family.
Now – answer my inquiry please. Honestly if you can.
Thanks,
cw
1, 2, & 3 — No to all.
I was raised to understand that there is good and bad in every stripe; black, white, yellow, brown, and even including “pigs” as you call them.
Are there racist cops, hell yes! Are there racist whites? YES! Are there racist blacks? YES! Are there racist latinos? YES! Are there racist asians? YES!
Are there good cops, hell yes! Are there good whites? YES! Are there good blacks? YES! Are there good latinos? YES! Are there good asians? YES!
You seem to be missing something, cw, you fail to understand that there are no absolutes in this world. By stereotyping “the police” and labeling them as pigs you are playing into the role as a victim of your own prejudice. Your nephews are fuck-ups? You have my sympathies. I wouldn’t associate with them either.
As for the broom handle? Please.
Thank you for your quick and, I believe, honest reply.
My compliments to your parents for instilling you with the values that they did. I was raised the same way.
I agree with what you say up to paragraph 5.
I learned many years ago that there are no absolutes or guarantees in life. In my opinion life is pretty much a crap shoot. I have heard many times over the years that if one works hard and is honest and attentive they will succeed. Well… I invoke BULL SHIT! Life is a crap shoot.
To understand my philosophy on life you would have to know my story. I suggest you read my book when it goes into print. Problem is – I haven’t written it yet. Procrastination. I assure you it will be a spell binding cliff hanger. lol
As to my nephews. I wouldn’t term them as fuck-ups. They’re actually relatively successful in life. In middle class terms anyway. They were raised in a fundamental Baptist home by a well educated, in religion, Baptist minister and a devout Christian mother. I called bull shit on religion along time ago. The afore mentioned nephews are brothers, by the way. Good people in one sense. Bigots in another. Good Republicans if there is such a thing. lol
As to the “broom stick”. I still can’t see a pistol. The frame you posted is fuzzy. I’m sure it could be cleared up but I have neither the technological know how or the equipment to do such.
I try not to “stereotype” anything. I try to observe and experience. Then I form an opinion. I know there are good cops. I just seem to have a hard time finding them.
I’m adding a link to an essay written by a French economist, Frederic Bastiat, in the mid 19th century titled “The Law”. Kind of a dry read up to a point but, very interesting. I have bought and given away many copies.
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
I think you have probably figured out I am not an educated man in the classical sense. My “college” education began in the central highlands of Viet Nam and has been on going. I turned 18yrs in a fox hole over looking Da Nang Harbor after almost a year of intense military training. I am a grade school drop out. I apologize for this long dissertation and any spelling and punctuation mistakes.
I also apologize for my insult to you and others in an earlier reply in this thread.
Please read, if you haven’t already, the Bastiat essay. It applies today more than when written. Interesting fellow he was. I think you’ll like it.
cw
Take note, civilians, of the fascist collaborators on this thread who dishonestly regurgitate the victim-blaming talking points and who repeatedly take the side of the state agencies. They insist that civilians disarm, comply, obey, and submit to the arbitrary illegitimate authority of the very actors who enforce fascism. The police is not an institution that serves and protects “the public” but rather which is tasked to prevent working class solidarity and successful fightback. The ruling class wants to maintain the power differential with the working class.
The threat to “America” and “American principles” isn’t Putin. It’s the capitalist class, the state agencies, and the fifth column comprised of such collaborators whose defense of the unjust violence of the state knows no end. They are aided by the cowardice and underdeveloped political consciousness of hundreds of millions of civilians.
All true, but critiques expressed in the formulaic language of old-school Marxism, however accurate, are destined to fall on deaf ears, at best. The American masses have been taught, conditioned and propagandized since birth to reject and ignore this style of communication.
If the message is to have any chance of making it past the cultural and internalized censors, new models for delivering it must be developed. Otherwise, the messengers are mostly wasting energy and breath.
it is interesting that the National Guard is never called out to intimidate the local business elite who secretly meet with City Council or City Hall (as they decide what public resources to plunder). The National Guard is never called out to stop the violence by the state or the ruling class.
So what class function does the National Guard serve?
State sponsored terrorism against the poor… just a thought.
Charlotte police release videos showing Keith Scott with arms down as he was shot
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/26/char-s26.html
Doug Salzmann writes:
“…understood that he should exit the vehicle; if, as he did so, he still had the weapon he had drawn in his hand (whether he was aware of it or not)…”
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Talk about batshit crazy – a person exiting their car unaware that they’re holding a gun. A comedy of errors I’m telling ya. You just can’t make this shit up, but Doug Salzmannn can – he’s a special snowflake 8-)
A. Citizen may or may not be a special snowflake, but s/he doesn’t know much about the functioning of the human brain.
Or may be there are some things s/he just doesn’t want to believe. Confirmation bias is a powerful tendency.
CNN’s Ed Lavandera reported that the reason there is no audio in the beginning is because “it takes about 23 seconds or so for the audio to kick in,” that “the reason you do not hear audio for the first 20 seconds or so of that body camera footage is that the way these cameras work is that, once the officer turns on the camera, engages the camera, that it instantly starts recording video, but that it takes,… there’s about 20 of pre-roll for the audio to kick in and that is the explanation we’ve been told.”
This is an absolute lie. If you know ANYTHING about audio recorders, pre-roll means that the recorder has 20 seconds of recorded sound BEFORE you switch it on. That means for most recorders, they are recording for 20 seconds BEFORE switch it on. The recorder is just not storing it. Once you hit the record button, you’ll get to store from 20 seconds before you turned it on. That means the Pre-roll should be available.
CNN- the worst goddamn NEWS organization in the fucking world.
CNN. One of the N’s stand for News, the other one stands for Not – Jimmy Dore
Actually, pre-roll is what Lavandera said it is. Pre- and post-roll are common terms in film, video and broadcast media and I’m sure Lavandera is familiar with them.
They are not, however, the proper terms for the functions of the Axon (by Taser) body cameras. The feature referred to is “pre-event buffering.”
Having read the manual and assuming that the model used in Charlotte has similar functionality as the one described, I think two things are clear:
1. The officer whose body camera footage has been released did not activate “event recording” until after shots were fired, so nothing that happened in his camera’s field of view was recorded until then except the previous 30 seconds of video only. It seems rather unlikely that he would “forget” to activate the camera on arrival at the scene but suddenly remember it immediately after shots were fired. Not impossible, of course, but unlikely.
2. The pre-event buffer is configurable by the people at the police department in charge of the cameras. If they wanted audio to be stored in the pre-event buffer, it could be. If they wanted the buffer extended to two minutes, they could do that, also.
Taser Axon Body 2 Camera User Manual
Thanks for that info. This is completely new to me. I have two audio recorders with 10 second buffers, but I’ve never used a video camera with a video buffer. So I thought that Lavandera should have questioned the explanation.
Thanks :)
Lavandera should have used the proper terminology. Not doing so made his report confusing. In his defense, I saw him get knocked down, hard, by an angry protester, the other night. Maybe his stenographic skills were affected. ;^)
Pre-event buffering has become a fairly common feature in security video equipment. Of course, it can be misused and abused, as it apparently has been here. I’m sure everyone involved will plead ignorance, forgetfulness or incompetence — anything other than a deliberate effort to hide the truth from the public, potential prosecutors and plaintiff’s attorneys.
Four shots in Charlotte. Supposedly one African American cop thought it necessary to fire four shots at an African American citizen who was backing away with his arms down by his side while at least four cops were pointing guns right at him. At least three white cops with guns leveled at the victim deemed it not necessary to fire their weapons. The three white cops all had excellent views of the victim. Where was the shooter? What did he see that the other cops did not see? What was running through the shooter’s mind that caused him to take another man’s life?
Usually if there is a legitimate threat all the cops will fire at least until the threat is neutralized or in practice often when every cop has emptied their clips. In this case supposedly only one cop felt threatened enough to shoot the victim four times. Something stinks.
Four shots in Charlotte.
A genteel racist spews:
Karl claims that, and asserts a bunch of statistics, without saying from whence they came. Karl is a racist who doesn’t like discussions of cops killing black people, and whines that this site publishes articles on that topic because of a “compulsive race-baiting agenda.”
The Washington Post, my emphasis:
Genteel racists, it must be noted, never, ever cuss when spouting bullshit statistics.
I’m generally in approval of all that you add here, but when you reference WAPO, I’ll be questioning your posts.
If Blacks in America (comprising roughly 13% of the population) were falsely arrested, brutalized, and murdered by police at a rate of 13% (relative to all other false arrests, murders, etc.) then would this whole movement be a non-issue??
Riot = Protest
2 + 2 = 5
War = Peace
Ignorance = Strength
Slavery = Freedom
Less equals more…
÷ Karl = ?
In the other open thread on this story (big thumbs-down to TI for closing comments on Mackey’s latest), Wnt asks:
No, it’s not a yes or no question. The answer depends entirely on the circumstances.
If the individual is behaving aggressively, brandishing the weapon, has threatened to use it, has recently used it in a criminal manner, etc. — it would be reasonable to believe that the intent is to fire it and that officers are in danger.
If, for example, the individual in question was sitting in his vehicle, rolling a joint, perhaps stoned to some degree; if he was then approached unexpectedly by two aggressive men (in civilian clothes) shouting at him and tapping or banging on his vehicle and its windows; if he felt himself under assault and drew his weapon to prepare to defend himself (remember this is a hypothetical); if, then, the people he perceived as assailants seemed to go batshit crazy and become more aggressive; if more cars arrived, some of them obviously police vehicles with officers in uniform; if he, at some point, perhaps still in some confusion, understood that he should exit the vehicle; if, as he did so, he still had the weapon he had drawn in his hand (whether he was aware of it or not) but not displayed or brandished in a threatening manner as he backed away from all the people training guns on him; then fuck no! In that hypothetical situation, it was the police who created the confrontation, escalated it and pushed it to the point that they had an opportunity, but no need, to kill a man.
Thank you Doug. This is a possible scenario I had turned over in my mind for a couple days. Meant to post it last night but was tired and forgot.
The more I think about it – the higher the possibility climbs. Unfortunately we will never know.
Had this been a Black man it’s almost certain that they would have escalated the situation until they found an excuse to shoot him: https://goo.gl/8Kbm7I
He must be White because he wasn’t arrested or shot, and he got his camera back.
This was a murder. You needn’t be Sherlock to see the cover-up from the first second. They are bungling idiots who fucked up their own lies.
And frankly, my exasperation with these porcine, mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers has reached its limit.
As Malcolm said: “BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY”
One thing that stands out in most of these cases is the total lack of physical fitness of the police officers. The least that we should expect of them is that they be physically fit for the job. Lack of physical fitness is often accompanied by mental sluggishness as well.
Why were comments closed after just two of them were posted relating to Robert Mackey’s article of 9/24/25 “Charlotte Police Video of Keith Scott’s Killing Released”?
Fellow Citizen TI – Unable to post as comments were closed after just 2 were placed in Robert Mackey’s article of 9/24/25 “Charlotte Police Video of Keith Scott’s Killing Released”
Why was he shot when he appeared to have his hands at his side and hardly an emanate threat?
What did the cop in red take out of his left pocket and hand to the cop that shot the victim?
What did the cop in red pickup and whip off?
Why would a cop wipe off something that might and most likely be evidence at a crime scene?
Most importantly what was it that the cop in red picked up, and wiped off after handing something to the cop that shot the victim, from an area of the ground that previous video clearly showed there was absolutely nothing on the ground to be picked up.
Clearly in previous video there was nothing on the ground when the cop who shot the victim and the cop in red initially positioned themselves at the scene in the area where the cop in red picked something up that he wiped off.
Keith Scott was murdered – the truth will out, just as it will about this :
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/breaking-lead-attorney-dnc-fraud-case-found-dead-1-week-serving-dnc-papers/
The complete lack of mass media coverage is very strange too.
One struggle.
Agriculture: Trade Wars and Food Wars. Obama and the Multi-Nationals
http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=2101
I have a LOT to say on this subject. So much to say that it would be voluminous. Therefore I’ll sum it up in one sentence: Keith Scott was murdered. Plain and simple as that. Obvious. (ok. 2 sentences & a word)
PS – Doug Salzmann, Mona, and several others – I like your style. A. Citizen, Karl, and several others – y’all can kiss my shiny white ass.
nuff said… for now.
PSS – the word RACISM and it’s other forms (racial, racist, etc.) make me nauseous. I’m sick of reading it, hearing it, etc., etc. The word just makes me want to puke. If I should be so crass.
Have a good night all.
There are five people posting the majority of comments and they consist of arguing and attacking one another. It is a very sad commentary on the tone of discourse on many sites. Are any of you actually engaged in the political process on any level to try and make changes in our screwed up world rather than posting ad nauseum attacks on each other or on people writing articles.
The people whose authoritarian defense of police murder don’t think our world is screwed up and don’t see any need for change.
If you don’t like spirited arguments with them, and blunt denunciation of their attitudes, positions and personalities, you need to find another comments section.
And your naive belief in the rigged political process suggests to me that you may be younger than 45, which would mean that I was active in that process for sometime before you were born.
A racist spews this about Doug Salzmann:
Fuck you, A. Citizen, and the horse you rode in on.
Obscene is your vile beliefs about African-Americans and the racism that besets them. Who cares if the Klansman doesn’t cuss — and doesn’t care for those who do — when the righteous man calls him a racist piece of shite?
@Karl-I don’t know if my response to your comment posted so I’m doing it here. I threw this together rather quickly. I hope it’s not too complicated for ya? My hope for humanity does include you for now…
@Karl-hey Karl I’ve been skimming over your comments and I must say now after your reliance on those Gaurdian numbers and I have to say your current argument is Ha Ha laughable. It strongly suggests you are apart of the Criminal Industrial Complex or benefiting from it in some way.
Here are some facts that you and your ilk in the Criminal Industrial Complex don’t like and that is when contact is made with any civilian it is assuming they are armed. Personal possession of a weapon is the very foundation of this country. Being in possession of a weapon does not give an officer or anyone else the free pass to shoot at you. That standard makes shooting every police officer a sport. Here is something for you and your ilk to think about. Not only is the CONSENT of the governed being withdrawn their duty (the governed) to remove, stop, eliminate, make disappear those governing might be starting or happening sooner than you think. Thanks to our founding document we the governed have a legal pass to theoretically put you and your ilk the receivers of some very bad shit. One more thing……
There is NO national, state or local database of officer involved shootings, none. If there was one currently that 738 (or whatever number the Gaurdian generated) is way too low.
Criminal Industrial Complex?
Yes Darth and I go way back…
Just watched the video released by Charlotte PD of the killing of Keith Scott.
Looks like murder to me.
And, for the first time I can remember, TI has closed comments on a story.
I think this requires an explanation.
I agree that it requires an explanation, but it’s not the first time. There were other times that that happened, a couple of which I emailed the author of the article to inquire. In each instance, the author of those articles replied but didn’t know the comments had been closed, or if they did know, they didn’t know why. I actually don’t recall if we ever got explanations for those closings, but I do recall that the threads were reopened. I think they were screw ups rather than intended closings. Don’t know for sure. Maybe the explanation to this closing will be specific and complete. Hope so.
I’ve emailed Bob.
I’m not his biggest fan, and he certainly knows that, but we’ll see if we can get an explanation nonetheless.
One of the two comments that made it through was from our friend, A Citizen, who thinks, apparently, that the alleged discover of an ankle holster proves that it was a “good shoot” and that I, therefore, should go fuck myself, which, admittedly, is something I’ve suggested to one or more of our racists and authoritarian apologists around here. I can’t remember if Mr. Citizen was one of them — they tend to blend together in my aging brain.
Perhaps the TI PTB want a kinder, gentler comments section. That would be a shame, unless they also get rid of the knuckle-draggers — which, I guess, would also be a shame.
Oh? Which one? The body camera clearly revealed a holster on the right ankle of Keith Scott. Now, why would a known convicted felon have an empty gun holster on his ankle?
The body camera also reveals that he had something in his right hand that he was keeping close to his right hip. Oops! Wife upon seeing him exit the vehicle: “Don’t do it!”
Keith Scott had been formerly convicted for an illegally concealed weapon. Ankle holsters are worn for concealment purposes.
Keith Scott had also been convicted for “aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.”
It is illegal for an ex-felon to be carrying a weapon in North Carolina.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/23/felony-record-casts-doubt-black-lives-matter-narrative-nc-shooting/
The officers on the scene knew nothing about Scott’s history.
Having a gun, even if it was in his hand, is no threat to anyone when multiple officers have guns drawn and aimed. There is no way that he could have raised the weapon (if there was one) before the officers could have fired in actual self-defense.
The ankle holster, like his record, is irrelevant to the circumstances of the encounter.
More and more clearly, what happened is that aggressive, over-amped cops saw a guy rolling a joint and proceeded to escalate the situation, totally without reason, until there was an unnecessary killing.
I call this murder. And I assert that there was malice aforethought.
And I call you an authoritarian badge bunny, an apologist for the extrajudicial assassination of yet another poor/working class American — another black man who posed no threat to anyone. An accomplice after the fact.
Source?
This is just pure unadulterated bull shit. I suggest that you go to any gun club and watch an experienced group engage is small arms tactical training.
Karl, I’m consigning you to the outer darkness. You’re such a vile piece of work that you’re not worth the energy it takes to engage you. Hell, as an old expression that applies perfectly here has it, “you’re not worth the powder it would take to blow you to hell.”
Now, you may choose to think of this as surrender, but in the back of your mind you will always know that it is really unmitigated disgust and thorough contempt.
You honor me with your contempt Doug (AKA Mona). However, I acknowledged your surrender a long time ago. I just humor you for the sake of watching you bite yourself in the ass as if you were eating a steak. Call it a guilty pleasure.
Ta Ta
There is no reason to insist on protests being “peaceful” when the current order is violent, unjust, and anti-democratic. The public has the right and the responsibility to defend itself against the assault of the ruling class and the state agencies by any means necessary. This includes psychological/cognitive/intellectual self-defense, which is more difficult for most people for several reasons: it’s the form of self-defense that is least discussed in this society. The public’s capacity for psychological self defense has been underdeveloped and impaired as a result of exposure to sophisticated propaganda. Ignorance about counterintelligence programs further undermines the public’s ability to defend itself. The deradicalization and depoliticization of workers and the brainwashing of hundreds of millions of citizens with ruling class propaganda has rendered the public susceptible to manipulation and neutralization. Our oppressors understand much about how we think, and they have long infiltrated communities.
How will the American public mount an effective resistance to such an poorly-understood enemy and its rarely-discussed agenda, when the ruling class imposes on us spectacles like the fake rivalry of Clinton-Trump or masters of de-escalation such as the fake-left Obama?
Baltimore man who called 911 for help dies after being punched by police
Black and in need of care rather than confrontation.
If you don’t want someone hurt or killed, don’t call the cops.
Why can’t black people be more like ‘Uncle Tom’ Obama, who was Bush’s co-star today in the feel good story George W. Bush Interrupted Obama To Ask Him To Snap A Picture Of Him And It Was Amazing. Come on, black people, be like grinning oaf Michelle Obama, hugging authoritarian murderer George W. Bush (how charming!) almost as affectionately as she hugs her own drone-striking bastard of a husband! Let bygones be bygones! I mean, if Obama can forgive Bush for torture and an illegal war, surely African Americans can forgive the lesser evil of police violence and racist persecution! Come on, be more like the delightful, morally deranged president and his wife! The Police Man isn’t really that bad, compared to Bush, so come on, get with the ‘obsequious idiot’ program! Just look forward, not back! What the fuck is your deal? Killing a million Iraqis and establishing a torture regime far outweighs what these tinpot dictators in uniform do, and Bush has evidently been entirely exonerated by society and indeed by the most powerful black man in the world! Forgive!
Blacks wanna dance at society’s prom?
Be sure your date is Uncle Tom.
Yet another racist rant… sigh!
Oh, I dislike all races equally.
Personally, I feel special antipathy toward the human race.
No other race, in any species of any genus, has come close to fucking things up as much as the alleged sapients.
It is stupid to assign any “race” to the actor who plays the role of POTUS, just as it is stupid to quarrel about what the religion of said actor is.
There is only one human race. There has emerged a ruling class; its survival depends on its continuous exploitation and terrorism of the working class. The POTUS serves the ruling class and is tasked with advancing the ruling class agenda. The POTUS is the guardian of the capitalist-imperialist system and is therefore an enemy of the 99%.
Vivek: I’ve been meaning to thank you for sticking around to keep reminding everyone here that these are, at their core, class issues. So, thanks.
It’s easy, and attractive, to be diverted to thinking only in terms of identity politics — and issues of race, gender, etc. are real issues — but class conflict underlies the whole structure.
The 0.1% laugh all the way to the bank when they can pit poor and working class whites against poor and working class brown and black people, or when they can rile up the social conservatives to fight against abortion or LGBT rights and keep those on the other side of those issues from dealing with, or even recognizing, the fundamental problem.
WTF? it was you who wrote:
Why can’t black people be more like ‘Uncle Tom’ Obama…
That was me, and I was quite obviously being sarcastic. Obama is an Uncle Tom, and of course what I meant by my post is no one should admire him or his wife for literally embracing the evils of corporatist warmongering (and continuing the corruption of the Bush/Cheney years), ironically contrasting this with black activism which rightly refuses to accept the status quo; Vivek Jain is correct that showing the sellout token president (who Black Agenda Report refers to as “the more effective evil”) all chummy with Bush reveals the elite (ruling class) in all its diseased glory.
Meanwhile, another snuff film is circulating everywhere, and the American psyche descends further into the divided darkness that is so useful to our overlords.
By your own metric then, how do you account for entertainers like Kaepernick who pull down millions of dollars a year selling products to “black” people on behalf of the evil corporatists?
I object to corporatism (the control of government – and the influence over official legislation – by corporations) as distinct from objecting to corporations themselves, for in my view many corporate institutions provide goods and services of very high quality. But if a separation of church and state is desirable, just so a separation of corporations (including banks) and state is similarly a fine thing. As a Green Party member I do of course object to polluting corporations and non-unionized worker scenarios, but unlike out-and-out socialists I don’t honestly object to capitalism per se. I love peaceful protests, so I find Kaepernick’s actions admirable in drawing attention to a cry that (although exploited horribly by increasingly phony Democrats) needs to be heard. His high profile as a celebrity is bound to find sponsors – and in larger terms I doubt he really makes the connections we might see between corporate/state culture, advertising/propaganda and endemic racism in law enforcement .
Given this latest qualification, I suggest that you rethink your characterization of Obama. If you do not stand in opposition to capitalism which provides the ideological justification for US neoliberal hegemonic aspirations abroad, then how can you honestly characterize Obama’s actions as being in ideological exception to your own, or that of Kaepernick who pitches products for the very corporations that derive the greatest benefit from those transnational aspirations (e.g. McDonalds , Jaguar)? And again, if America is systemically racist as claimed by Black lives Matters, then how can one rationalize Kaepernick’s role as a pitchman for those products to blacks?
Obama is a corporatist warmongering murderer who willfully sells out government power to multinational corporate rule. There is no reason to ‘re-think’ that based on my comments above. And what I said about Kaepernick makes sense; I see no reason to alter the opinion I’ve expressed.
You state that “US neoliberal hegemonic aspirations abroad” are justified ideologically by capitalism – I disagree: I think the current elite aspirations are corporatist, militarist and imperialist – and capitalism can and should exist without those corruptions, in my opinion.
I would say the same about most any celebrity of any race – only a very small percentage of the populace is informed about the complex relationship between the corporate/state culture and the social ills that spring from it. I have considerable tolerance for people who are innocent participants in the establishment’s domain, and there are a great many of those people. What I object to with Obama is he knows full well that he is corrupt, and yet he continues to be so.
see: Danny Haiphong’s series on “The Obama Legacy”
Part X: How Obama’s Past Played a Role in the Insurgency of the Present
http://blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_part10_counter-insurgency
Part IX: The Highest Expression of Counter Insurgency
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_IX_Misleaders
Part VIII: The War Summation
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_part_viii
Part VII: The Deporter In Chief
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_deporter_in_chief
Part VI: The Destruction of Libya and the US military Invasion of Africa
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacyVI_africa
Part V: Waging War on Civil Liberties
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_civil_liberties
Part IV: Protecting the Racist State, Scorning Black America
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_iv_scorning_blacks
Part III: Destroying Public Education As We Know It
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_III_privatization…
Part II: Economic Policy Wall Street Could Count On
blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_part_2
Part I: Profits for the Monopolies, Healthcare for Those Who Can Afford it
blackagendareport.com/obamacare_profits_legacy
sorry, that Part III link is
Part III: Destroying Public Education As We Know It
http://blackagendareport.com/obama_legacy_III_privatization_schools
Thanks for listing all those links. Superbly comprehensive series.
You’re welcome. The analysis at the WSWS is worthwhile too.
Chief Double-Talk says he’s going to release the video.
In service its own ideological bias, the Intercept has chosen to myopically characterize the shooting of “Keith Scott” as “…only the latest in a chain of black Americans gunned down by law enforcement”. In the doing, it has also chosen to reflexively repeat the specious meme that the recent shooting deaths of “BLACK” suspects are reflective of a larger historical pattern of institutional racism in America. And again, in service to this compulsive race-baiting agenda, the Intercept has chosen to only focus on BLACK victims of recent police shootings. So let’s take a look at the current statistics concerning police shootings of both white and black suspects in 2016:
194 blacks have been killed by police officers in 2016
33 of these were unarmed
25 died from gunshot wounds
388 whites have been killed by police officers in 2016
65 of these were unarmed
35 died from gunshot wounds
Of the 738 individuals who have been by shot and killed by police officers in 2016, only 25 were unarmed blacks. Or, if you prefer, 3.38 % of those shot and killed by police officers in 2016 were unarmed blacks.
Of the 738 individuals who have been by shot and killed by police officers in 2016, only 35 were unarmed whites. Or, if you prefer, 4.74 % of those shot and killed by police officers in 2016 were unarmed whites.
As unarmed white suspects are more likely to be shot and killed by police officers then blacks, why are they not being included in the Intercept’s coverage of police shootings?
So, how did they kill the other 169? Poison? Brass knuckles.
Apparently, neither math, English nor truth are among the languages you’ve mastered.
BTW, got citations?
Gee, I’m sorry Doug (aka Mona) for thinking that you were bright enough to make the requite deductions. Here, let me spell it out for you…
Of the 194 BLACK suspects who have been killed by police officers in 2016, 161 were A-R-M-E-D
Of the 33 U-N-A-R-M-E-D BLACK suspects who were killed by police officers in 2016, 25 died from gunshot wounds.
Now would you like me to spell it out for you for the WHITES as well? No? Okay then:
Of the 388 WHITE suspects who have been killed by police officers in 2016, 323 were A-R-M-E-D
Of the 65 U-N-A-R-M-E-D WHITE suspects who were killed by police officers in 2016, 35 died from gunshot wounds.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings
You’re playing dishonestly with the numbers, Karl. First, The Counted is mostly a crowd-sourced and news-review project that isn’t and can’t be authoritative.
Second, you use the guesstimate figure for “any weapon” as if that provided some justification for a police killing. In fact, “any weapon” could mean a firearm, a machete, a pocket knife or a cane. And in fewer than half the cases does the guesstimate report that the victim had a firearm, and there are no statistics indicating where said firearms might have been and/or what, if anything, was being done with them when the victims were killed.
You’re just fundamentally dishonest, Karl. If you are going to keep up this feeble effort to justify summary executions, you should, at least, read How to Lie with Statistics. Maybe you could develop better skills and make your bullshit more believable.
Not only did Glenn Greenwald work for the Guardian but cites from the Guardian are incessantly included in intercept articles as the Guardian is alleged to be an authoritative source. If the method by which those statistics are collected and compiled are knowingly faulty, then the Guardian should not be publishing them in real time. The intercept cannot have it both ways; either the Guardian can be trusted as an authoritative source or it can’t.
The creators of the database itself thought that it was statistically significant to distinguish between “armed” and “unarmed” shooting victims. I accurately reported that which database revealed WITHOUT editorializing the results. To claim otherwise is a LIE. This having been said, any idiot can understand that a suspect who yields a weapon poses a greater threat to a police officer than one who doesn’t. Even with that in mind, I chose to only focus on the reported death of of unarmed suspects as they provide the least ambivalence. Unlike you Doug/Mona, I have faith that reasonable people can draw their own conclusions.
But hey, have a nice day… albeit a bigoted one
@Karl-hey Karl I’ve been skimming over your comments and I must say now after your reliance on those Gaurdian numbers and I have to say your current argument is Ha Ha laughable. It strongly suggests you are apart of the Criminal Industrial Complex or benefiting from it in some way.
Here are some facts that you and your ilk in the Criminal Industrial Complex don’t like and that is when contact is made with any civilian it is assuming they are armed. Personal possession of a weapon is the very foundation of this country. Being in possession of a weapon does not give an officer or anyone else the free pass to shoot at you. That standard makes shooting every police officer a sport. Here is something for you and your ilk to think about. Not only is the CONSENT of the governed being withdrawn their duty (the governed) to remove, stop, eliminate, make disappear those governing might be starting or happening sooner than you think. Thanks to our founding document we the governed have a legal pass to theoretically put you and your ilk the receivers of some very bad shit. One more thing……
There is NO national, state or local database of officer involved shootings, none. If there was one currently that 738 (or whatever number the Gaurdian generated) is way too low.
Actually, such deaths are tracked in at least three national databases – but very poorly. In examining the accuracy of these databases, both the Guardian and Washington Post concluded that the numbers compiled by the National Violent Death Reporting System were most accurate. Yet even their reported numbers fell short of those compiled by both papers. Their best estimate places the number of police related deaths of civilians at over 1000 per year in the US. I drew my information from the Guardian database for this reason. I have no reason for low balling the figures. As the number I reported represent nine months of data, the number of 738 seems right on target. If you have a better source of data however, feel free to share it.
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/03/police-fatal-shootings-federal-data-fbi-cdc/
Your own figures show that blacks are statistically far more likely to be killed by cops than whites, relative to their population.
So, if Blacks in America (comprising roughly 15% of the population) were only falsely arrested, brutalized and murdered by police at a rate of 15% (relative to all other false arrests, murders, etc.) then this whole movement would be a non-issue?????
Blacks are far more likely to have negative interactions with police officers because they commit a disproportionate number of the violent crimes as a percent of the population. When accounting for all of the statistical variables, blacks are approximately twice as likely to be confronted with deadly force than whites. What the statistics don’t normally account for when examining violent crime is the intentional targeting of one race by another. There was a recent study conducted that, in citing 2013 crime statistics, concluded: “A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420565/charleston-shooting-obama-race-crime
You conveniently ignore how much more cops target blacks, how much more cops needlessly escalate, rather than diffuse, situations with blacks, how much stiffer sentences are for blacks.
I’m sure it’s comforting to dismiss the problem of institutional, systemic racism as pure fantasy, preferring to believe black are just getting what they deserve because they’re savage niggers. It’s de rigeur for racists to blame the objects of their hatred, and to pretend to be, in fact, the real victims.
Why you insist on continuing to peddle such intellectually lazy arguments after you’re routinely shown up as a liar is a mystery. You aren’t convincing anyone, yet you smugly preen as if you’re a debate champ, oblivious that you’re outed as a buffoon. It’s simply comical when conservative feebs fancy themselves intellectually capable and vigorous, pretending their ugly, raw, hateful emotions are cold, indisputable facts.
Donny boy, what you need is a good wake up call – I would say one year in any Federal pen would fit the bill. I absolutely guarantee you that, upon your release, you will have changed your perceptions considerably. This is not some polite debate in the employees lounge at work. Police officers have to face the very worst in human nature on a daily basis. As a result, they have to assume the worst for survival sake. Anyone who has been put into a situation where death may be imminent at any moment understands the degree to which the cumulative stress of operating in survival mode shapes the world view of law enforcement officers – cops are as every bit as human as you or I.
You argue that that I “conveniently ignore how much more cops target blacks” as a pretext to claiming that the procedures which police are trained to follow are a form of unnecessary escalation. How cozy and convenient for you that you have the luxury of burying your head in the sand while police officers are duty bound to cover your ass. If cops were not aggressively challenging the chronic unlawful behavior of violent street thugs of all color, every urban center would be overrun with armed bangers and organized crime figures fighting for turf in much the same way they do in prison. I have known dudes who would put your eye out with a pencil simply for looking at them the wrong way – and they would piss in the empty socket for good measure. I have personally witnessed the brutally violent beating death of a “family” man who simply failed to pay his debt to a local Don on time. I have personally witnessed the violent gang rape of an innocent teenage boy by a group of “ripped” Hell’s Angels as a mere aperitif to “warring” with a rival gang – a boy whose only fault was that he was the son of a female “hangaround” who was callously regarded as “property” by its members. My best childhood friend was passed around in prison as a “fuck hole” simply because his curly blond hair, blue eyes, and diminutive stature predisposed him to that fate. Explain to those he left behind that the animals who tortured him on a daily basis to the point of suicide deserve to receive the benefit of doubt when approached on the “outside” by police officers – BTW… he earned a stint in federal prison at the ripe age of 18 simply because he refused to rat on his supplier who was an infamous cartel front man. That loyalty was repaid by the cartel by exploiting him as a rare commodity in prison where whites were the minority. People like you, Mona, Doug, and Kitt spout your insular SJW nonsense in Internet forums as if you actually know how street life works. Again, police officers are forced to confront sociopaths who would take special pleasure in violently raping and torturing their wives and sodomizing their children as a form of payback for lost years in prison. The fact that it happens less in this country then in Mexico or Columbia is only because law enforcement agencies are so good at their job on the average.
Nobody likes an overly aggressive cop – and I have known many – some of which were every bit as morally corrupt and predacious as those they routinely targeted for harassment. Yet it is that very aggression that makes a good cop especially effective when confronting those who have no respect for themselves, the law, or mankind in general. I am genuinely amazed that the average law enforcement officer shows as much professionalism and restraint as they do on a regular basis. Have local law enforcement agencies become overly militarized and agressive in recent decades? Yes, I believe that they have. Do some cops harbor racist attitudes? Without question. Do some cops overreact when pumped up on adrenaline? No doubt. Should the actions of one racist cop or police force be the metric by which the actions of all are prejudged? Absolutely not.
Statistics are incapable of conveying the reality of street life.
Translation: Niggers are vicious savages, and the cops need to deal them brutally.
Thanks for so adroitly displaying the degree to which you are willing to dishonestly twist the words of others to hide your own naivete.
You try to disguise your primitive emotions and bigotry in a pseudo-intellectual word salad, thinking the the thicker and higher you pile the bullshit, the more convincing it will be.
As you’ve been told before, no one is going to fall for it.
“Word salad”? I knew that it was only a matter of time before I would draw you out Mona – such is the attention starved nature of narcissistic sociopaths…
My name is Donald Brown. I live near Scranton, PA. I’m a 46 year old male.
Mona, like many others, may have used the phrase ‘word salad,’ but I’m fairly certain that doesn’t make us the same person. One has to wonder how anyone but a narcissistic, paranoid, sociopath would assume such a thing.
Mona isn’t as curt and as pointed as I am.
Dear Glenn Greenwald,
It is fairly obvious that “Doug Salzmann” brings no dignity to The Intercept as he frequently uses vulgarity in his feeble attempts to bolster his points of view.
To wit … “None of this is known. You’re making it all up and lying about it, you vile authoritarian piece of shit.”
[as he made this disparaging comment in a recent reply]
In order to maintain any sense of decency here please consider barring his IP.
Respectfully yours,
A. Citizen
If this is the type of forum you would deem worthy of
Ha. Go fuck yourself, you racist jerk.
If someone disagrees with Douggie’s preferred way of thinking he calls them a racist. Yawn. State facts, get called a racist. Yawn. People like him cry racism everywhere. Typical leftist bullshit tactics. This merely shows his ineptness at presenting a proper argument. What a sick joke his mind plays on him.
If you see him in informal interviews, you’ll see Greenwald also has a potty mouth.
Apparently in the new Snowden movie, Zachary Quinto as Greenwald calls James Clapper a “motherfucking cocksucking fuckwit shitbrained queefmeister,” which I’m looking forward to.
Umm, I presume “queefmeister” is a term the kidz use on the interwebs. Do I want to find out what it means?
I think it’s pretty funny that our polite, racist badge bunny thinks that it’s my language that’s offensive.
Yes, absolutely. Raised on South Park and My Little Pony, we all have a very specialized vocabulary of the profane. I wouldn’t look it up, if I were you. Nor should Clapper, come to think of it.
Thanks for the warning, Maisie. It’s nice to see that some young folks are concerned about the mental health of elders.
Some moreon what the genteel racists simply do not get:
The conversation about persistent, pervasive racism in the U.S. that BLM and Kaepernick have launched is one the genteel racists simply do not want to have.
Once again, cop apologist hijack a thread because they’re terrified actual sympathy or empathy might be felt towards the dead American and his family.
They continually throw out the number 50%. They repeat over and over again 50% of homicides are by Black Americans. Which means 50% of homicides are NOT by Black Americans. Thus, this number is NOT a justification for police irrationally fearing Black males. Why aren’t they fearing and killing the other 50% of the murderers???
An obvious fact is that Black people kill other Black people, NOT COPS. White people also kill White people. More than 80% of White Americans murdered are murdered by other White Americans. Over 90% of Black Americans murdered are murdered by other Black Americans.
What this all means is the cops irrationally fearing Black Americans is unjustified and based on irrational fear mongering and decades of prejudice and rhetoric.
Once again if Black Americans are responsible for 50% of murders then 50% of murders are by another race. Plus Black Americans do NOT target cops but each other, like all races.
There are no stats available anywhere to rationalize murder by cops. There just aren’t.
But, these posters don’t care about facts. Fear the Black American is what they’ve been told and how they see the world. It’s how they have demeaned a race of people throughout American history.
Btw I don’t even believe Black Americans are responsible for 50% of murders. Cops have been framing Black Americans for generations. We are now beginning to see actual video proof of how corrupt the police throughout America are. We have been seeing for decades now how many innocent people are sent to prison.
But some have a concerted desire to turn Black Americans into less than. All that will happen from this point on is the systemic racism that is an integral part of America will be revealed. No matter how much they deny it the time of REVELATIONS is here.
One of this site’s genteel racists spews:
Like many racists, it’s common to pick apart the specific cases that incite African-American rage and their taking to the streets, and to seek to invalidate the anger over that specific case. These racists simply do not get it: the particulars of any one case — tho often outrageous — almost don’t matter. The larger, all-encompassing reality of racism in policing and incarceration is what lights the fuse.
These empathy- and justice-deficient racist folks like to argue about whether Michael Brown was “really” innocent in Ferguson. This entirely overlooks the very ugly, larger picture: The 12 key highlights from the DOJ’s scathing Ferguson report:
Follow the link and read the screengrabs from the DoJ Report on Ferguson.
At some point, I’ll post about the DoJ’s report on matters in Baltimore, which are even worse. Much worse.
These people are angry and in the streets for a reason. As Martin Luther King said:
Double, double, toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
So why no coverage of the Dakota pipeline protests, if there’s this much coverage of police shooting protests?
Could it have something to do with the economic interests behind the Dakota pipeline, like Warren Buffet (via Phillips 66 investments), who is also a top Hillary Clinton donor, and the word has come down from FirstLookMedia to promote Hillary Clinton this election season?
Just asking, since the absolute refusal to cover one set of protests, while focusing on another, is rather noticeable.
It’s totally understandable to be at least discouraged and bothered, if not pissed off, that The Intercept hasn’t covered Dakota Pipeline. I share your disappointment and concern. But this bull shit right here is just that: “Could it have something to do with the economic interests behind the Dakota pipeline, like Warren Buffet (via Phillips 66 investments), who is also a top Hillary Clinton donor, and the word has come down from FirstLookMedia to promote Hillary Clinton this election season?”
“They killed an innocent man in front of his wife. And even if he had a gun, it’s legal, this is an open carry state.”
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It’s not legal to disregard an order from a policeman when he constantly shouts, DROP THE GUN.
Let me guess; a cop told you to drop your brain.
And as A law-abiding Citizen …
He couldn’t drop it. He didn’t have one. (We’re discussing A. Citizen’s brain, obviously.)
Hahaha, Doug beat me to it.
(Maybe he would sit on his arse out of confusion? A. Citizen.., obviously.)
Although North Carolina is an open carry state, the law allows counties to impose standards that limit the way in which the firearms can be displayed. The counties can also limit the minimum size of the firearm. The fact that Keith Scott chose to wave a gun around in a manner that drew initial police attention is never addressed. When coupled with the fact that he chose to exit his car and directly engage police officers with a gun in his hand suggest that he was inviting the outcome he derived. His wife’s repeated admonition of “Don’t do it” further suggests that she was aware that he was inviting a deadly outcome (suicide by police).
None of this is known. You’re making it all up and lying about it, you vile authoritarian piece of shit.
NC General Statutes
§ 160A – 189. Firearms.
A city may by ordinance regulate, restrict, or prohibit the discharge of firearms at any time or place within the city except when used in defense of person or property or pursuant to lawful directions of law enforcement officers, and may regulate the display of firearms on the streets, sidewalks, alleys, or other public property. Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit a city’s authority to take action under Article 1A of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes. (1971, c. 698, s. 1; 2012-12, s. 2(zz).)
http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_160A/Article_8.pdf
G.S. 153A-129, which allows counties to “by ordinance regulate, restrict, or prohibit the discharge of firearms . . . except when used to take birds or animals . . . when used in defense of person or property, or when used pursuant to lawful directions of law?enforcement officers. A county may also regulate the display of firearms on the public roads, sidewalks, alleys, or other public property.”
State v. Fennell (1989) and the NC Court of Appeals upheld previous NC court decisions stating that the guarantee of an individual right to openly bear arms in the NC constitution was subject to reasonable regulation declaring that “a pistol shall not be under a certain length.”
http://www.opencarry.org/state-info-n-s/north-carolina/
I know what the NC statutes say. None of that has any bearing on the summary execution in question and what I was accusing you of making up, obviously, was all your bullshit about the behavior of the victim, the police and the identity of the individual(s) the distraught wife was addressing.
And you did make it up, every bit of it. You invented it all in your little authoritarian brain.
Thanks Doug/Mona… I was hoping that you would provide me with the opportunity to follow up:
Although a theoretical possibility exists that a gun could have been planted, the audio of the wife’s recording suggests otherwise. When she first began recording the events that led up to his death, she felt compelled to proclaim from a distance, “he does not have a gun.” Beyond the fact that that seemingly uninformed and ill-suited statement alone was exceedingly curious, it was not repeated once Mr. Scott exited the car to confront the police officers in the moments before his death. Rather the wife began to repeatedly yell, “Don’t you do it.” Secondly, the victims DNA and fingerprints were on the gun (and most like the bullets within). Thirdly, the victim’s arms and body would have been tested for residual gunpowder that normally results from the firing of any gun. With the State Bureau of Investigation conducting an independent probe into the shooting, local law enforcement would be crazy to attempt such a coverup.
Karl is one of those polite, genteel Christian racists. Ask him why the Southern Baptist Convention began issuing a series of apologies to African-Americans in 1995 — he really, really doesn’t like to talk about that.
In KarlWorld, American Christians have been the best friend the Negro ever had, and when cops kill such a disproportionate number of blacks that’s because of…well, anything but racism.
And yes, he is a “vile authoritarian piece of shit.” A racist one.
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew’d.
I’ve been rather deliberate and persistent in my use of invective and vulgarity WRT these issues and the apologists for the slaughter.
I want the anger, disgust and contempt that victim communities and clear-eyed observers experience to be as bluntly obvious as possible, and “forbidden” language is especially good at making those points, partly because it tend to be jarring.
Also, of course, it helps me to blow off steam, reducing the possibility that I will lose it completely and go hunting racists and despicable class warriors serving the ruling class, with a baseball bat. ;^(
I hear ya. It’s super hard living in a red Midwestern county, surrounded by people who really believe they are not at all racist or anti-black. “If ‘those people’ would just behave themselves, slavery ended a long time ago, they need to get over it…”
It can make one’s head explode.
Yeah. Been there, done that, just couldn’t handle it again.
I’ve become a wimp who has to live in “safe spaces” — in pockets of relative sanity, self-awareness and decency on the coasts (Madison and Ann Arbor are too damned cold).
What an insightful comment. Case closed.
Six words and you still used two too many. Quite a feat.
And I suppose you’d also say that ‘It’s not legal to disregard an order from a policeman who is pounding and wrenching and kneeing the shit out of you as he constantly shouts, “STOP RESISTING!?”
Good report from the scene. But why are you quoting your own tweets?
Power elitists like Hellary Clinton and the wallstreet thieves she represents who love her back, need to keep the competition for life support alive and well for the greedy thieves. In order to make that competition happen, they need to enforce differences to create separations to make decisions about who gets and who doesnt much easier, simpler. So hellary and wallstreet employ a simple racist policy of unentitlement so that those who dont have life support do not deserve it.
There is a difficulty with this tactic by greedy wallstreet thieves and that is that in order to maintain unentitlement, one must come to believe that all humans are not worthy of food and shelter and therefor the reason for that must be….. aha, that’s because they are less than human.
But there is a difficulty with that tactic because of the 2 arms 2 legs walk and talk thing so…… aha, shooting them is proof that they are not entitled to life support and we can prove that by continuing to shoot them because we also kill cows. And besides, if you can do that in Palestine, Hellary’s favorite ally, then hey, such a policy is ok here too and both nuttinyahu and kissingerm love Hellary so how could Hellary be a racist when all she does is talk about talk about talk about talk about talk about talk about ..
revisit this piece from two years ago:
Class, race and the police killing in Ferguson, Missouri
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/21/pers-a21.html
The comparisons between the shooting death of Keith Scott and Michael Brown can provide points of commonality that should not be ignored:
1. Both deaths could have been easily avoided had the suspects simply complied with police commands
2. Both deaths resulted in a rush to judgement which was fueled by numerous false accounts – especially those coming from the media itself
3. In both instances, police were falsely accused of cold blooded murder within minutes of the shootings
4. In both instances, the alt-media chose to exploit the deaths to their own ends by casting unsubstantiated doubt on the initial police accounts of that which transpired
5. In both instances, the alt-media continues to exploit the tragic deaths in a way that leads to the false perception that they are part of a larger pattern of unjustified police shootings of “African Americans” (controversy sells)
6. In both instances, mobs of black thugs used the tragic deaths as an excuse to riot and pillage
7. In both instances, black political agitators chose to fuel the false perception that the shootings were unjustified
8. In both instances, false historical comparisons were drawn to fuel the false perception that they are part of a larger pattern of institutional racism
9. In both instances, the evidence overwhelmingly supports police accounts of that which transpired
Yes Vivek Jain (AKA Mona) you are right to cite Ferguson as a case lesson that there points of commonality between these two events that cannot be ignored.
It’s obvious that you didn’t read the wsws article, Karl.
It was the primary reason that I chose to respond in the way that I did…
“The helicopter police voice-over of Terence Crutcher’s execution was a ghastly reminder of the video released by Wikileaks of a 2007 mass murder of Iraqi civilians by U.S. helicopter gun crews over Baghdad. The Americans were engaged in what I’m sure some of them called “hajji-hunting,” which is the same as what the good ole boys back home call “coon-hunting” — searching for colored folks to kill. Circling unseen way above the city, the Americans opened fire at an innocent group of unarmed men on a street corner.”
http://blackagendareport.com/murder_by_occupation_tulsa_baghdad
Protests continue in Charlotte, North Carolina as police refuse to release video of fatal shooting
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/23/char-s23.html
another:
The police murder in Charlotte, North Carolina
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/22/pers-s22.html
worthwhile analysis:
Police violence and the social crisis in America
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/09/24/pers-s24.html